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- Tonight, it's part two
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of the "Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills" Reunion.
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"Kyle, you posted a thirst trap,
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hoping to get that
Champagne Papi follow.
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Did it work?"
- No.
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He still doesn't follow.
- Lisa, Bill from Manhattan
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wants to know why
they called it quits
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and pushed the
eject button first.
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- I think you just have to
read the press, and Amelia did.
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[laughter]
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- Can't control the mouth.
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- Crystal, you were
in the middle of Dorit
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and Kyle's argument
on the plane.
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Who was in the wrong?
- Yeah, Crystal.
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- [clears throat]
- Why are you, like--like,
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turning to me very
aggressively right now?
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- I like being able to have
that banter with my friends.
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Am I boring you?
- Oh, damn.
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- You were not happy
when the first season aired.
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- I kept thinking about my mom.
Like, what would my mom do?
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[crying]
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- I gave every
paycheck to my husband.
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- How many mistresses
do you think he had?
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- I know of three.
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- Why didn't you
leave Tom sooner?
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- Where was I going?
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- Did you feel you
were held captive?
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How long do you
think he was unfaithful?
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- Years.
- Were you faithful to him?
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[dramatic music]
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Did you know that there
was liability when you left him?
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♪ ♪
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[tense music]
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Erika, why not leave Tom
sooner if he was cheating on you?
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- The cheating is a part of it.
There's so much more there.
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And I've said to Tom,
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"If you are in love with
someone else, divorce me."
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- He said?
- Nothing.
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- Nothing.
- Zero.
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"If you are in love
with someone else,
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don't make me be the bad guy."
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- How long do you think
he was unfaithful to you?
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- Years.
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- Were you faithful to him?
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- Well, yes, up until I
filed for divorce, yeah.
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- Okay.
- Yeah, yeah.
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- Well, this season,
Erika shocked everyone
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when she filed for
divorce from Tom.
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But as she confided in her
friends, they soon learned
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Erika's seemingly
perfect marriage
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was more of a
pretty mess. Watch.
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- Tom and I had dinner
every night together,
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and it was nice to talk
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and just kind of
reconnect in a way.
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I'm really content to let
people be who they are,
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and that's one of
the one things I love
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about Tom the most,
is he lets me be myself.
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- Did you talk to
Tom? He's good?
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- We spoke this
morning. He's good.
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[phone chimes]
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[dramatic musical sting]
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- What?
- "Ladies, I truly consider you
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"my close friends,
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"and this is why I'm
reaching out to tell you
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that I filed for
divorce this morning."
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- My life drastically
changed this week.
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I did not see it
ending this way.
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I was gonna hold that
man's hand till he died.
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Mr. Girardi, I made you coffee.
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- Oh, cool.
- Ooh, you clean up good.
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- Gotta make sure
the jury likes me today.
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- Every day.
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- I'm really proud of you.
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- Thank you. For saying that.
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When he called me, I said,
"Where have you been?"
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I was just assuming he
was with some other woman.
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- He was cheating on you.
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- Oh, sh--.
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- One of the reasons
that I filed for divorce
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is the resistance
to a conversation.
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- He's not been an angel.
- No, he's not an angel.
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My God. That's--no,
he's not an angel.
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As much as Tom encouraged me,
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I think he resented me
every step I took forward.
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He was like, "Who the
(BLEEP) do you think you are?"
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I'd go to hug him, and...
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He wouldn't hug me back.
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This is the end.
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[crying]
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- You had to
watch it back again.
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- Yeah.
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- How does it feel?
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- It's okay. it's okay.
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- You've been on
the show for six years.
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- Yes.
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- We've seen you with Tom,
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and you have painted
a very rosy picture...
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- Mm-hmm.
- Of your time with him.
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- Sure.
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- And viewers didn't
understand that.
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Bet5000 said, "Erika's a liar.
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"In every season, she's talked
about her amazing marriage.
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This season it's all about
how he cheated on her."
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Bob Slatton said, "I want
Erika Jayne to explain
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"why she told the ladies
in Tahoe that her marriage
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"was lovely and perfect,
and then a week later,
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"she's backing up a
moving van to the mansion,
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calling Tom abusive
and a cheater."
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So, talk to me about that.
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Why hide the fact that
you're in a broken marriage?
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- All marriages are
complex. People are complex.
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There were good times.
There were bad times.
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You're talking about two
decades of a marriage.
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- Okay.
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- So, no one's
marriage is perfect.
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- Do you think you went
far in the other direction
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to protect him on this show?
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- I think that I highlighted
the best of him.
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- Why didn't you
leave Tom sooner?
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- Where was I going?
- Where weren't you going?
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You're on a hit TV show.
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You have a career.
- Andy. Hold on.
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I was not in control
of my finances.
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I walk out with
two credit cards.
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They get cut. Am
I gonna call you?
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Am I gonna call you?
Who am I gonna go call?
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- I know what you
make on this show.
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It ain't bad.
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- I gave every
paycheck to my husband.
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- [gasps]
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- Oh, wow.
- So crazy to me.
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- Why? Why?
- Forever?
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Since you've been making money?
- Yes.
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I've handed every paycheck
I've ever made over.
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- Would you say
you stayed with him
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for the money and the security?
- No.
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I stayed because
I had no access.
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- Did you feel you
were held captive?
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- I'll say this: I was
27 when I went in.
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- Cocktail waitress.
- He was 60.
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The power balance
is way out of whack.
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I trusted this mean.
All of my finances
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were kept down at the firm,
and everything was kept there.
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- Then that sounds
like you did say for the--
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- Hold on.
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You're characterizing
it as "for the money."
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I'm telling you I
could not leave
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because I had no
access to the money.
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- Okay.
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- Regardless of how much money
there is, many women feel like
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they can't leave because
they don't have access...
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- That's right.
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- And they don't
have independence.
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[overlapping chatter]
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- Listen, it doesn't matter
how much is on deposit.
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- Right.
- If you can't access it,
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you can't--
- You've got nothing.
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- What are you gonna do?
- Weren't you, though,
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entitled to half of everything?
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You were with him
for over ten years.
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- Well, clearly I'm
entitled to half of the debt,
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because everybody's
suing me for it.
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- Right.
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Over the years, he's
having multiple affairs.
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You're saying, "I stayed it in.
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"It was an old-fashioned
relationship.
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I didn't have
access to anything."
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What I'm saying to
you is, if you had left,
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wouldn't you legally
have been entitled to
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half of what there was.
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- And I responded yes.
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I'm on for half the liability
and on for half the assets.
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- But you didn't know
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that there was
liability at the time.
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- Which time?
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- Did you?
- No.
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And that is a big
part of this whole--
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All of these lawsuits
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that are being alleged.
- Well, the big question is:
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did you know
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that there was liability
when you left him?
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Did you feel that
the ship was sinking
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and you were about
to go down with it,
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and you had to
get out at that time?
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- I felt like he was sinking,
not necessarily "the ship."
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There was no
talking to this person.
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Trying to get him to
answer my questions,
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being shut out
completely--anger,
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personality changes.
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And you can see now--look,
the man is in a home.
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He's in a memory care facility.
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We've all seen the pictures
of him with the black eye.
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- Right.
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- We've seen how disheveled
and how absolutely horrible
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he has deteriorated
since I left in November.
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So, what I have
been saying is true.
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It's not unusual in Tom's
business for him to be sued.
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But when Erika Girardi
started ending up on lawsuits,
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that's when my
ears were pricked.
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You remember I--it was
Denise's first reunion,
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and I think that you
brought up I was being sued.
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- Monty from Nevada said,
"Erika's happy to talk about
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"Lisa Vanderpump all day,
but when it comes to Tom
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defaulting on a $15 million
loan, she doesn't say a word."
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- How about this? Resolved,
and they apologized.
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You have to
understand something.
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It's like a wall of
people around this man.
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You have many lawyer--
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That I can only access
a certain part of it.
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- Did you call people
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at the firm and say...
- No.
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- "Am I on the hook for this?"
- No.
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I called lawyers
that I knew, yes.
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- And they said what?
- Hold on.
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I am not at liberty to say what
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and at what time I
sought legal counsel.
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- Okay.
- Okay?
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- Let me go back to
some viewer questions.
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Celeste from Odessa, Texas said,
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"Erika, it's been ten months
since you filed for divorce,
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"and there's no
money to fight over.
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Why hasn't your divorce
been finalized yet?"
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- Competency hearing.
- "Is his conservatorship
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the reason your divorce
has been delayed?"
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- Yes. Yes.
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- Liz Poppy tweeted,
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"Why did you lie to Garcelle
about Tom's infidelity?
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You told her point-blank
there were no other women."
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- Because of who it was.
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But just a little
'nother nugget,
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there was--there were others.
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- How many mistresses
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do you think he had
during the marriage?
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- I know of three.
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- Did you confront
him about each one?
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- Two. One I found
out on the day that I left.
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- Wow.
- Yeah.
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- How?
- I went through his phone,
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and she had sent
a picture of her tits.
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And he has a flip phone,
you know, so I responded,
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"Nice tits, stupid bitch."
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But I couldn't even figure
out how to put a space,
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so it was like-like
a run-on sentence.
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[laughter]
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- Right, because you have
used to have to go down...
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- I don't know how to do it!
- Flip phone!
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- I mean, this is the
truth. You wanted it?
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Here it is. I'm sorry.
250
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- Coming up next...
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"I clicked on the auction
for Tom's law firm.
252
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"Almost choked when I
saw those panties for sale.
253
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"Please explain to me
why there were lacy panties
254
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in your husband's desk drawer?"
255
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[up-tempo music]
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- Wyatt from Springdale,
Arkansas said,
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"Kyle, what rumors did
you hear about Tom's affairs,
258
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and why didn't you tell
Erika about them earlier?"
259
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- [sighs] You know--
- Go ahead, babe. It's fine.
260
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- No. But you know,
you hear rumblings--
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- You told--you
told Erika that...
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- No.
- You had heard rumblings.
263
00:10:28,193 --> 00:10:31,197
- No. Maybe--there was
little hints--like, people say
264
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Erika acted like
everything was great.
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She would give little hints
that things weren't so great.
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I could feel that she
wasn't always happy.
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You know, she'd make a
little joke here and there.
268
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Like, Mauricio's calling
to check, she's like,
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"Would be nice if Tom" --
You know, things like that.
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I could always feel that
he wasn't kind to her.
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He really wasn't.
And then I would hear
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these little stories,
too, on the sides.
273
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But we hear so many rumors
about so many people...
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- Yeah.
- Oh, my gosh.
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- I would think, "Oh,
who even cares."
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- You just hear tons of rumors.
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00:10:53,318 --> 00:10:55,210
- Well, I started piecing
it together a little bit,
278
00:10:55,549 --> 00:10:57,230
but of course I didn't
have anything clear and,
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you know--until she actually
came out and shared it.
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- Scarlett from Las Vegas
said, "Erika, were you drunk
281
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"when you posted
about Tom's mistress
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on Instagram? What
were you thinking?"
283
00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,234
- No I was--I was angry.
- You were angry.
284
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- I was angry.
And I'll tell you why,
285
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because everyone was saying,
286
00:11:11,738 --> 00:11:13,605
"Erika has this money."
- It's a sham.
287
00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:14,740
- Yeah.
- "The divorce is a shame."
288
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"This is a thing for the
two of them to hide assets."
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I was like,
mother----er no, it's not.
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As a matter of fact,
this is what's going on.
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- I get the anger.
- Anger.
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- I get it.
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- Dina from
Philadelphia said, "Erika,
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"I clicked on the auction
for Tom's law firm.
295
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"Almost choked when I
saw those panties for sale.
296
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"Please explain to me
why there were lacy panties
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in your husband's desk drawer."
- Can I tell you something?
298
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That was the first
time I saw it too.
299
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They were definitely not mine.
300
00:11:42,701 --> 00:11:44,269
Who knows who he
had bought them for?
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But clearly...
- Oh, my God.
302
00:11:45,971 --> 00:11:48,107
- It was perhaps a Valentine's
Day setup, because...
303
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- I'm done.
- It was dated in January,
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and then February was the 14th.
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Don't know. They weren't mind.
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- Erika, Lucille from Buffalo
said, "If you were kept away
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"from your own finances,
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"how were you able to
close out parts of your life
309
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and rent a house, lease a car,
and move without Tom knowing?"
310
00:12:05,958 --> 00:12:07,927
- Not able to
answer that question.
311
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But it was well
within legal bounds.
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I did nothing wrong, but I'm
not gonna answer that question.
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- June from Muncie, Indiana
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said, "I saw tabloid
photos of you
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"wearing your Cartier
ring boarding a private jet.
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Are you completely
insensitive or just clueless?"
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- Neither.
318
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I was invited on a trip,
and that's where I went.
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- Not at your--
- Not at my expense. No.
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- You did not pay for the jet.
- No.
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- Ladies, Millie from
Appleton, Wisconsin said,
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"At Erika's astrology
party last year,
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Tom wasn't missing a beat..."
324
00:12:40,528 --> 00:12:42,828
- Pat Wayne got me in
a movie in high school.
325
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- It was a Western.
326
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- So I got shot off
the roof and fell down.
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00:12:46,899 --> 00:12:49,836
- Did you have a stunt double?
- No, it was all me.
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[laughter]
329
00:12:52,172 --> 00:12:53,840
- You're a really
good storyteller.
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- I know!
- Isn't he?
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- Do you get it?
- Yeah. You get it, right?
332
00:12:56,942 --> 00:12:58,345
- Oh, I got it from
the moment--yes.
333
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- People always go--and I go...
- No.
334
00:13:00,245 --> 00:13:01,780
- "Just meet the man."
- Totally.
335
00:13:01,815 --> 00:13:05,150
- "And now he's in sudden
decline? How can that be?"
336
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- He's on a loop.
337
00:13:11,323 --> 00:13:13,493
Saying the same
stories over and over.
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- Okay.
- He's a master persuader
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and a master performer.
340
00:13:16,863 --> 00:13:19,899
He could not have told
you anyone's name here.
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Not a soul.
342
00:13:21,301 --> 00:13:23,403
But he certainly could
sit there and entertain.
343
00:13:23,436 --> 00:13:26,719
Will you please tell me
what your friend said?
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00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:27,874
- Jen.
- Thank you.
345
00:13:27,907 --> 00:13:30,876
- Yeah, so, my friend watching
that episode said--and her mom
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has severe dementia now.
347
00:13:32,278 --> 00:13:35,981
And she said, "I'm telling you,
I'm seeing similarities in Tom
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00:13:36,820 --> 00:13:38,817
as I do in my mom. There's
a vacancy I'm seeing."
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00:13:38,851 --> 00:13:40,419
- Yes.
- And she said,
350
00:13:40,452 --> 00:13:42,322
"They can be like
that one moment--clear
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00:13:42,355 --> 00:13:44,957
"and talking--and then
the next moment, nothing,
352
00:13:44,990 --> 00:13:46,393
"or, you know, she gets confused
353
00:13:46,426 --> 00:13:47,860
about which child,
this and that."
354
00:13:47,894 --> 00:13:49,461
- Thank you.
- Hearing what she just said
355
00:13:49,495 --> 00:13:52,131
right now actually
makes so much sense,
356
00:13:52,164 --> 00:13:53,365
because that's
what he was doing.
357
00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:54,466
He was regaling us with stories.
358
00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:55,335
- Yes.
359
00:13:55,368 --> 00:13:56,769
- And they were
not current stories.
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- Right.
- That he's told
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over and over again.
- Exactly.
362
00:13:58,971 --> 00:14:00,240
- And you could tell that
those stories he's told
363
00:14:00,273 --> 00:14:01,274
over and over.
Both: Old stories.
364
00:14:01,307 --> 00:14:02,207
- Because that's
what he remembers.
365
00:14:02,241 --> 00:14:03,208
- That's right. And
they start to remember
366
00:14:03,243 --> 00:14:04,769
that--the older they get...
- The old stuff.
367
00:14:04,110 --> 00:14:04,943
- They start to
remember and tell...
368
00:14:05,450 --> 00:14:06,913
- They remember the old stuff.
- Yes!
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00:14:06,946 --> 00:14:08,347
- The old stores.
- A they cannot tell you...
370
00:14:08,380 --> 00:14:10,499
- Because that's
hat my mom does.
371
00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:11,283
- What day it is today. Right.
- That's what Lois does.
372
00:14:11,317 --> 00:14:12,885
- Lois does. She tells
you the older things.
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00:14:12,918 --> 00:14:14,220
- Yeah.
- And they're on a loop.
374
00:14:14,254 --> 00:14:16,489
- Yeah.
- Riley from Pittsburgh said,
375
00:14:16,523 --> 00:14:19,525
"Erika, you say Tom
changed after the accident
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00:14:19,558 --> 00:14:21,260
"and displayed
signs of Alzheimer's.
377
00:14:21,293 --> 00:14:23,328
"If you didn't know
what he was doing,
378
00:14:23,363 --> 00:14:26,466
"why would you divorce
him when he was clearly sick?
379
00:14:26,499 --> 00:14:28,934
"He supported you for 20
years and finally needed
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00:14:28,967 --> 00:14:30,470
your support, and
you just left him."
381
00:14:30,503 --> 00:14:32,138
- That's not true.
382
00:14:32,172 --> 00:14:36,142
It is not fair to say he
got Alzheimer's and I split.
383
00:14:36,176 --> 00:14:41,280
The Alzheimer's and dementia
is a part of what was going on.
384
00:14:41,313 --> 00:14:45,918
Even in this accident that
people seem think--whatever--
385
00:14:45,951 --> 00:14:48,878
I was the one that found him.
386
00:14:48,879 --> 00:14:50,222
I was the one that
took him to the hospital.
387
00:14:50,255 --> 00:14:52,918
I was the one that
did not allow him
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00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:53,393
to go under anesthesia
389
00:14:53,426 --> 00:14:55,461
after having been
unconscious for hours.
390
00:14:55,495 --> 00:14:57,596
I took a picture of the breaks.
391
00:14:57,629 --> 00:15:00,166
I sent them to
my dearest friend,
392
00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:01,333
who is an orthopedic surgeon,
393
00:15:01,368 --> 00:15:04,504
and I said, "Is this immediate?
Do we need to do this?
394
00:15:04,537 --> 00:15:06,438
"'Cause I don't want
this man, at this age,
395
00:15:06,472 --> 00:15:07,606
"with these head injuries,
396
00:15:07,639 --> 00:15:09,142
to go under
anesthesia right now."
397
00:15:09,174 --> 00:15:11,439
And he said, "No.
I'll fix it next week.
398
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,881
Go home." I took him home.
I did everything I humanly,
399
00:15:15,914 --> 00:15:19,184
possibly could
to do right by him.
400
00:15:19,219 --> 00:15:22,120
[dramatic music]
401
00:15:22,121 --> 00:15:25,580
Sorry. I don't--I'm
not angry. I'm angry.
402
00:15:28,961 --> 00:15:31,398
- Coming up...
"Kyle, Dorit, Garcelle,
403
00:15:31,431 --> 00:15:35,235
"and even Carlton have
accused you of talking over people.
404
00:15:35,268 --> 00:15:38,971
Do you ever think maybe the
problem is you and not Dorit?"
405
00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,140
- Finally.
- Who's Carlton?
406
00:15:50,115 --> 00:15:51,484
- Sorry. I don't-- I'm
not angry. I'm angry.
407
00:15:52,451 --> 00:15:54,120
- No, I'm actually happy
hearing these details,
408
00:15:54,153 --> 00:15:55,522
'cause we haven't
heard these details...
409
00:15:55,554 --> 00:15:57,898
- No, I know.
- Until right now.
410
00:15:57,899 --> 00:16:00,258
- I know. But this is
what has been happening.
411
00:16:00,259 --> 00:16:02,261
I protected that man. Okay?
412
00:16:02,294 --> 00:16:06,319
I reached out to many doctors,
413
00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,340
and I was blown
off more than once.
414
00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:09,702
One time, I was even
told by a physician,
415
00:16:09,735 --> 00:16:11,136
"I don't want to get involved,
416
00:16:11,171 --> 00:16:12,639
because I don't
want Tom to sue me."
417
00:16:12,672 --> 00:16:16,109
Okay, people still
feared this man.
418
00:16:16,142 --> 00:16:17,677
- Sarah from
Washington, Illinois said,
419
00:16:17,711 --> 00:16:19,511
"Erika, how can
you be hurt Tom said
420
00:16:19,546 --> 00:16:22,182
"someone could have
you if they could afford you?
421
00:16:22,215 --> 00:16:23,682
"You literally
have a song called
422
00:16:23,716 --> 00:16:25,284
'It's Expensive to Be Me.'"
423
00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:27,586
- Right. I don't think we
should dig in too much
424
00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:30,155
to an over-the-top,
campy, dance song.
425
00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:33,259
Let's not over-analyze
it. It was a fun piece.
426
00:16:33,293 --> 00:16:36,929
I'm not Bob Dylan over
here giving--you know.
427
00:16:36,962 --> 00:16:38,197
I'm entertaining, baby.
428
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:39,665
- Okay. It's--that's--it's
established.
429
00:16:39,698 --> 00:16:41,368
- It's not that deep, okay?
- Okay. Okay.
430
00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,104
Rosario from Galveston
said, "Erika, you married a man
431
00:16:45,105 --> 00:16:47,706
"who funded a very
expensive performing career,
432
00:16:47,740 --> 00:16:51,577
"a career you've always wanted.
Knowing what you know now,
433
00:16:51,610 --> 00:16:54,447
would you have
still married Tom?"
434
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:57,584
- [exhales deeply]
435
00:17:00,452 --> 00:17:02,589
I'm at a place where
I don't quite know
436
00:17:02,621 --> 00:17:04,123
who I was married to.
437
00:17:04,124 --> 00:17:05,258
- Wow.
438
00:17:05,290 --> 00:17:08,361
- Because there are good
parts and there are bad parts.
439
00:17:08,394 --> 00:17:11,730
And I'm trying to--much like
everyone else around me,
440
00:17:11,765 --> 00:17:16,568
trying to figure out what
the (BLEEP) happened.
441
00:17:16,603 --> 00:17:19,739
In the law firm and
in my personal life
442
00:17:19,772 --> 00:17:21,441
and the things
that I'm finding out,
443
00:17:21,473 --> 00:17:23,643
there are moments
I am overwhelmed,
444
00:17:23,676 --> 00:17:28,682
I am sad, I am heartbroken,
and then I am bewildered,
445
00:17:28,714 --> 00:17:33,286
truly, where I'm like, what
was real? How about that?
446
00:17:33,318 --> 00:17:36,623
- Do you think Tom loved you?
- I do. I do.
447
00:17:36,655 --> 00:17:41,594
I think he loved me, and
then I think things happened...
448
00:17:41,627 --> 00:17:44,431
- What happened?
- To him. I think he changed.
449
00:17:44,463 --> 00:17:47,599
I think we all change,
like marriages change.
450
00:17:47,634 --> 00:17:49,501
- Did you love him?
- I did.
451
00:17:49,536 --> 00:17:53,405
And I think you can
see it. You know?
452
00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,476
- I guess what
everybody's fixated on
453
00:17:56,509 --> 00:17:59,211
is whether he ripped
off all these people.
454
00:17:59,244 --> 00:18:02,382
- Right.
- And so, let's fixate on that
455
00:18:02,414 --> 00:18:06,653
for a minute. And tell
me where you put that,
456
00:18:06,685 --> 00:18:09,388
in terms of your
feelings for him.
457
00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:12,692
- I really and truly
hope that is not true,
458
00:18:12,726 --> 00:18:14,594
because that is not
the man that I married.
459
00:18:14,626 --> 00:18:15,795
- Do you think there's a chance
460
00:18:15,828 --> 00:18:17,463
that it is not true?
- Yes.
461
00:18:17,497 --> 00:18:19,298
- It doesn't look good.
- It does not looking good.
462
00:18:19,332 --> 00:18:23,103
However, we still need
to get to the bottom of it.
463
00:18:23,135 --> 00:18:25,672
Only one side of the
story has been told.
464
00:18:25,704 --> 00:18:29,808
- When you look and you
read about the allegations
465
00:18:29,843 --> 00:18:32,412
that are being made about
him, your name is in there.
466
00:18:32,444 --> 00:18:33,712
- Yes.
- All over the place.
467
00:18:33,747 --> 00:18:35,480
- Yes.
468
00:18:35,809 --> 00:18:37,250
- What do you
want people to know
469
00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:40,286
about your emotions
relating to that?
470
00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:44,356
- I feel terrible.
This is not who I am.
471
00:18:44,391 --> 00:18:47,292
And I hope this
is not who he is.
472
00:18:47,326 --> 00:18:49,229
- You still believe
that that could be--
473
00:18:49,261 --> 00:18:53,660
- No. I said I hope that
is-- this has not happened.
474
00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:55,535
I hope that he has not
done what is alleged here.
475
00:18:57,237 --> 00:19:01,807
I am sitting here trying
to, A, number one,
476
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,278
gather all of the information,
and fight my way out of it.
477
00:19:06,311 --> 00:19:07,780
And that's all I can do.
478
00:19:07,814 --> 00:19:09,883
- Sutton didn't even know
she owned a baseball team.
479
00:19:09,915 --> 00:19:11,483
- No.
480
00:19:11,518 --> 00:19:14,253
- That's right. But
that's what divorce does.
481
00:19:14,287 --> 00:19:16,722
- Yes. It reveals the ugly part
482
00:19:16,756 --> 00:19:19,625
of--or the hidden
part of our partners.
483
00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:21,694
- That's what I was
talking about with forensic...
484
00:19:21,728 --> 00:19:23,863
- Accounting.
- Accounting.
485
00:19:23,896 --> 00:19:25,865
- I am one of many.
486
00:19:25,898 --> 00:19:29,368
If I could show you my DMs of
women that have reached out
487
00:19:29,402 --> 00:19:32,338
to me that say--been
in similar situations,
488
00:19:32,372 --> 00:19:35,909
married to a businessman--you
know, some lady found--like,
489
00:19:35,942 --> 00:19:38,478
she owned, you
know, multiple homes.
490
00:19:38,510 --> 00:19:40,447
I mean, you know,
so, it happens.
491
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,549
And that's, I think, also
hard for people to understand.
492
00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:45,352
You know, if you've
never seen it, then you go,
493
00:19:45,384 --> 00:19:46,685
"Well, how could you not know?
494
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,253
- Well, I think it
becomes more difficult
495
00:19:48,288 --> 00:19:51,257
for people to understand
when it's allegedly
496
00:19:51,290 --> 00:19:52,424
other people's money...
- Right.
497
00:19:52,459 --> 00:19:53,559
- That's part of the equation.
- Exactly.
498
00:19:53,593 --> 00:19:57,230
And what's the bankruptcy
trustee is getting down to.
499
00:19:57,262 --> 00:20:00,299
You know, they've got
to sort out what money
500
00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:03,435
was supposed to go where.
- Wow.
501
00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:05,538
- And at this point,
quite honestly,
502
00:20:05,571 --> 00:20:07,606
I have to worry about myself.
503
00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,344
Whatever Tom Girardi did
or did not do, that's on him.
504
00:20:11,377 --> 00:20:14,446
But I know that a lot
of his decision-making
505
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,316
is being pointing this way now.
506
00:20:16,348 --> 00:20:19,285
- Yes.
- His life is over.
507
00:20:19,318 --> 00:20:21,855
He's in his 80s. He's in
a memory care facility.
508
00:20:21,887 --> 00:20:24,624
His career is over and
done. I just turned 50.
509
00:20:24,656 --> 00:20:28,928
I cannot allow all
of this to destroy me
510
00:20:28,961 --> 00:20:30,864
and take me to a place
that I cannot recover.
511
00:20:30,896 --> 00:20:32,798
I have to survive this.
512
00:20:34,733 --> 00:20:36,670
So, that's why I'm feisty.
513
00:20:41,540 --> 00:20:43,576
Sorry. Hold on.
Give me that tissue.
514
00:20:44,911 --> 00:20:46,613
But that's--that's why.
515
00:20:46,645 --> 00:20:49,348
[soft music]
516
00:20:49,382 --> 00:20:52,852
- All right. Well, we're gonna
get into more of what happened
517
00:20:52,885 --> 00:20:54,820
after you left
Tom in a little bit.
518
00:20:54,854 --> 00:20:55,721
- Okay.
519
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,833
[upbeat music]
520
00:21:07,232 --> 00:21:08,634
- Welcome back.
521
00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:10,903
Crystal, your housekeeper Lucy
522
00:21:10,936 --> 00:21:13,239
has made an impression.
- Yes.
523
00:21:13,272 --> 00:21:14,907
- She's the ultimate
fashion police.
524
00:21:14,941 --> 00:21:17,277
- Do you like this?
525
00:21:17,309 --> 00:21:19,179
- Lucy, it's not ugly.
- What you think of this one?
526
00:21:19,211 --> 00:21:20,480
Ugh!
527
00:21:20,512 --> 00:21:22,915
- How did she feel
about your reunion look?
528
00:21:22,949 --> 00:21:24,651
- I didn't show it to her,
529
00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:26,385
'cause she probably would
have said something insulting.
530
00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:27,854
And I just didn't
want to think about it.
531
00:21:27,886 --> 00:21:29,288
- Oh, no!
- No, I'm kidding.
532
00:21:29,321 --> 00:21:30,656
- Right.
- I love her.
533
00:21:30,690 --> 00:21:32,991
- Dorit, Kaitlyn from
Gresham, Oregon
534
00:21:33,930 --> 00:21:35,528
thinks your wedding
dress designs are stunning.
535
00:21:35,561 --> 00:21:37,864
But who can afford a
$30,000 wedding dress?
536
00:21:37,896 --> 00:21:39,932
- This is, like, one of our
most expensive dresses.
537
00:21:39,965 --> 00:21:41,835
I want to say like $35,000.
538
00:21:41,867 --> 00:21:43,970
- $35,000?
539
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:45,739
- First of all, it's
a luxury brand.
540
00:21:45,771 --> 00:21:47,507
That just happened to be
the jewel of the collection.
541
00:21:47,539 --> 00:21:51,544
Most of the dresses are about,
you know, $6,000 to $8,000.
542
00:21:51,577 --> 00:21:55,714
- Well, Dorit, you certainly
have a gift--a gift of gab.
543
00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:57,951
And it's a gift that
keeps on giving...
544
00:21:57,983 --> 00:21:59,352
- Yep.
- And giving and giving.
545
00:21:59,385 --> 00:22:00,653
- And I'm proud of it.
546
00:22:00,686 --> 00:22:03,522
- I could go on, and
frankly, so could she.
547
00:22:03,556 --> 00:22:05,525
So let's just roll the package.
- [laughs]
548
00:22:05,557 --> 00:22:06,893
- All right, let's go
around the table.
549
00:22:06,925 --> 00:22:08,560
All: Oh!
- Let's go around,
550
00:22:08,595 --> 00:22:11,463
and one word that you
think of yourself. Go.
551
00:22:11,498 --> 00:22:14,366
- I'm hard-working.
552
00:22:14,401 --> 00:22:16,635
- Dorit, you forgot talkative.
553
00:22:16,670 --> 00:22:20,606
- You tend to hijack the moment
and just go on and on and on.
554
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,375
And I have a problem when
you won't let anybody else speak.
555
00:22:23,410 --> 00:22:25,310
- Normally it takes
people a couple steps
556
00:22:25,345 --> 00:22:27,513
to get to their point,
but Dorit, it's a car,
557
00:22:27,547 --> 00:22:30,349
it's a train, it's a plane,
it's a connecting flight.
558
00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:33,420
- Do I need to be
directly, like, Dorit?
559
00:22:33,452 --> 00:22:34,554
- Direct? Yeah.
560
00:22:34,586 --> 00:22:35,855
- Probably.
- With her?
561
00:22:35,888 --> 00:22:38,290
- My God, will you shut up?
562
00:22:38,324 --> 00:22:40,393
- Sispann pale. Stop talking.
563
00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:41,627
Why am I looking at you, Dorit?
564
00:22:41,661 --> 00:22:43,930
- Yell, well-- how
many languages
565
00:22:43,962 --> 00:22:45,731
do you want to tell
me to shut up in?
566
00:22:45,765 --> 00:22:47,267
[laughter]
567
00:22:48,601 --> 00:22:50,869
- You take a lot of crap.
- I take a lot of crap,
568
00:22:50,903 --> 00:22:52,572
and I've taken a
lot of crap for years.
569
00:22:52,605 --> 00:22:54,973
I think I'm an easy target. Yes.
570
00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:56,509
- Why?
- I do--I am longwinded.
571
00:22:56,542 --> 00:22:57,911
- Right. Okay.
572
00:22:57,943 --> 00:22:59,945
- But I don't feel like I
hijack conversations.
573
00:23:00,460 --> 00:23:03,516
People would say that I
give a lot of detail, and I do.
574
00:23:03,549 --> 00:23:04,851
- Got it.
- But you know,
575
00:23:04,884 --> 00:23:06,653
I'm a very
detail-orientated person.
576
00:23:06,685 --> 00:23:11,458
- Did anything that you saw
about your talking upset you?
577
00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:13,660
- If it's not done
in a malicious way,
578
00:23:13,692 --> 00:23:15,828
I think you can do
it. And I like that.
579
00:23:15,862 --> 00:23:19,298
I like being able to have
that banter with my friends.
580
00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:24,371
Am I boring you?
581
00:23:24,403 --> 00:23:27,729
- I'm sorry. I just
swallowed a yawn.
582
00:23:27,730 --> 00:23:28,741
But you are not
boring me whatsoever.
583
00:23:28,775 --> 00:23:30,343
- You're never boring, honey.
584
00:23:30,376 --> 00:23:33,445
- Kyle, Noelle from Syracuse
said, "Dorit, Garcelle,
585
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,650
"and even Carlton have
accused you of talking over people.
586
00:23:37,683 --> 00:23:40,953
Do you ever think maybe the
problem is you and not Dorit?"
587
00:23:40,987 --> 00:23:42,989
- Finally. Voice of reason.
588
00:23:43,890 --> 00:23:44,624
- Who's Carlton?
589
00:23:44,656 --> 00:23:46,425
- Exactly. Anyway.
- Well.
590
00:23:46,459 --> 00:23:47,594
- When they--
When the tabloids--
591
00:23:47,626 --> 00:23:48,994
- Yes, but I'm sorry when I--
- Hold on, let me talk.
592
00:23:49,950 --> 00:23:51,698
Let me talk... - No, I won't.
- For one second. - No, and don't you dare
593
00:23:51,730 --> 00:23:53,967
command me, you don't
----ing dare command me.
594
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,435
- Those are completely
different scenarios
595
00:23:56,469 --> 00:23:59,572
and situations, so you
cannot compare the two.
596
00:23:59,605 --> 00:24:01,441
- Jordan from Idaho said,
597
00:24:01,473 --> 00:24:02,741
"Crystal, you were
in the middle of Dorit
598
00:24:02,776 --> 00:24:04,344
and Kyle's argument
on the plane."
599
00:24:12,152 --> 00:24:13,853
- "Who was in the wrong?"
600
00:24:16,189 --> 00:24:18,692
- Yeah, Crystal.
- [clears throat]
601
00:24:18,724 --> 00:24:20,598
- Why are you, like--like,
602
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:21,827
turning to me very
aggressively right now?
603
00:24:21,861 --> 00:24:23,630
- Dorit's like, "If you
don't side with me,
604
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:24,431
you're gonna get it."
605
00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:25,664
- They fight truly like sisters.
606
00:24:25,699 --> 00:24:27,099
And they make up like sisters.
607
00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,469
So I'm just gonna--I'm
gonna call it an even...
608
00:24:29,501 --> 00:24:31,938
- Garcelle, what do you think?
- I'm gonna have to say Dorit,
609
00:24:31,971 --> 00:24:34,673
because we were just talking
about how Dorit is longwinded.
610
00:24:34,708 --> 00:24:36,476
- Wesley from
Stowe, Vermont said,
611
00:24:36,509 --> 00:24:38,811
"Dorit, you put your foot in
your mouth when you said
612
00:24:38,845 --> 00:24:41,480
it isn't just brown
people who work for you."
613
00:24:41,513 --> 00:24:43,115
- We've had a lot of
people that work for us
614
00:24:43,148 --> 00:24:45,848
that are very multi-cultural.
615
00:24:45,849 --> 00:24:47,921
I've had a lot of Black
and Hispanic and Filipino.
616
00:24:47,953 --> 00:24:50,824
And my kids are used to it.
I mean, some of the people
617
00:24:50,856 --> 00:24:54,693
they've loved most in this
world are dark-skinned.
618
00:24:54,728 --> 00:24:57,564
- Didn't you realize how
wrong it was to say that?
619
00:24:57,596 --> 00:25:01,901
- You know, I was answering
a direct question from Garcelle.
620
00:25:01,934 --> 00:25:05,137
And sometimes I
use words poorly.
621
00:25:05,171 --> 00:25:06,605
This was one of those instances.
622
00:25:06,638 --> 00:25:08,508
And I wish I could
have taken in back.
623
00:25:08,540 --> 00:25:11,440
But I don't take back the
sentiment and what I meant,
624
00:25:11,769 --> 00:25:13,680
which is I was raised
with a lot of diversity.
625
00:25:13,712 --> 00:25:15,214
I'm raising my
kids the same way.
626
00:25:15,248 --> 00:25:17,416
And it's not just
people that work for us,
627
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:20,452
it's also very, very
close family friends
628
00:25:20,487 --> 00:25:22,721
that I've known way
before I had kids.
629
00:25:22,756 --> 00:25:24,124
- Ketoiskaren tweeted,
630
00:25:24,156 --> 00:25:26,726
"What Garcelle asked
went right over Dorit's head.
631
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,162
"She didn't ask if you
only staffed brown people,
632
00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,830
"she asked if the only brown
folk you and your family know
633
00:25:31,865 --> 00:25:35,100
"are the ones who
have to clean after y'all.
634
00:25:35,101 --> 00:25:38,710
Garcelle, is this an example
of Dorit not listening?"
635
00:25:38,711 --> 00:25:42,241
- No, that night it was a
tough conversation to have.
636
00:25:42,275 --> 00:25:44,768
It was uncomfortable for me.
637
00:25:44,769 --> 00:25:46,789
I'm sure it was
uncomfortable for these ladies.
638
00:25:46,112 --> 00:25:47,747
And I didn't know
how you took...
639
00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:49,949
- That's how you make progress.
- What I said.
640
00:25:49,982 --> 00:25:52,951
- I liked what you said,
because you explained
641
00:25:52,986 --> 00:25:54,753
and taught me
something I didn't know.
642
00:25:54,788 --> 00:25:56,588
You know, Michael Jackson
and I grew up together,
643
00:25:56,623 --> 00:25:59,625
and Michael said to me,
"Kathy, I don't see color."
644
00:25:59,659 --> 00:26:01,928
I said, well, "Either do we."
645
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:03,630
- I know you can
see me as a woman.
646
00:26:03,663 --> 00:26:05,464
You can see me as a mother.
You can see me as a friend.
647
00:26:05,498 --> 00:26:08,835
But if you don't see color,
then you don't see me.
648
00:26:08,867 --> 00:26:10,703
- Sharing information--I
think it's beautiful.
649
00:26:10,737 --> 00:26:11,904
- I do too.
650
00:26:11,938 --> 00:26:14,941
Everybody on social media
takes everything so seriously...
651
00:26:15,410 --> 00:26:16,759
- Right.
- All the time.
652
00:26:16,108 --> 00:26:17,844
And we were having
a conversation,
653
00:26:17,876 --> 00:26:19,244
and we were sort of dissecting--
654
00:26:19,278 --> 00:26:21,614
- Educational, I think.
- It was very educational.
655
00:26:21,647 --> 00:26:22,816
And it was really great.
656
00:26:22,848 --> 00:26:24,483
And I love this
aspect of the show,
657
00:26:24,517 --> 00:26:27,119
that we've been able to
have these conversations.
658
00:26:27,153 --> 00:26:29,548
- We've been able to
do it. Nobody else has.
659
00:26:29,549 --> 00:26:30,690
- But it was a
tough conversation.
660
00:26:30,723 --> 00:26:32,491
It was an uncomfortable
conversation.
661
00:26:32,525 --> 00:26:33,826
It really was.
662
00:26:33,859 --> 00:26:37,963
- Bria from Woodstock said,
"Tell us straight--is your nose
663
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,532
as original as the vintage
Dior in your closet?"
664
00:26:40,567 --> 00:26:43,769
- You know, I really, really
want to make this point
665
00:26:43,802 --> 00:26:45,270
and get this straight,
666
00:26:45,305 --> 00:26:48,641
because this
actually really hurt me.
667
00:26:48,674 --> 00:26:51,144
I went to the nose
doctor with Kyle.
668
00:26:51,176 --> 00:26:53,313
- She went with me for
my consultation as well,
669
00:26:53,346 --> 00:26:55,114
and he gave her
an impromptu one.
670
00:26:55,115 --> 00:26:56,782
- Let's look at
your nose carefully.
671
00:26:56,816 --> 00:26:58,917
Do you think it's
wide from the front?
672
00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:00,653
- Well, now it
looks really wide.
673
00:27:00,686 --> 00:27:02,219
- Okay. I agree with you.
674
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:04,239
- [gasps]
- Tip is a bit wide.
675
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,692
Now smile for me real big.
676
00:27:05,724 --> 00:27:08,528
See how your nose droops
and you get a small hump there?
677
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,896
- See how you look like
your grandmother's nose?
678
00:27:10,930 --> 00:27:13,732
- I've never had
one, hand to God.
679
00:27:13,767 --> 00:27:16,201
And I would say
if I had a nose job.
680
00:27:16,236 --> 00:27:18,171
I don't know why I have
to constantly prove it.
681
00:27:18,203 --> 00:27:21,574
But I don't like the
insinuation that I'm lying
682
00:27:21,607 --> 00:27:24,439
or that I'm not--I
genuinely haven't.
683
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,179
- Brittany from Wilton,
Connecticut said, "Garcelle,
684
00:27:26,211 --> 00:27:27,681
"do you think the Dorit goldfish
685
00:27:27,713 --> 00:27:30,215
talked the Kyle goldfish
to death, literally?"
686
00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:31,550
- Oh!
687
00:27:31,584 --> 00:27:33,853
The black and
white one is Dorit,
688
00:27:33,886 --> 00:27:36,558
because look at her. Fabulous.
689
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:37,757
Regular goldfish is Kyle.
690
00:27:37,790 --> 00:27:39,358
[laughing]
- Oh, sh--.
691
00:27:39,392 --> 00:27:41,608
[laughter]
- Oh, Lord.
692
00:27:41,609 --> 00:27:42,295
- We are gonna leave it there.
693
00:27:42,327 --> 00:27:44,639
We're gonna be
right back after this.
694
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:45,265
Next...
695
00:27:45,298 --> 00:27:47,634
Rinna, I get why
you didn't like the idea
696
00:27:47,666 --> 00:27:48,934
of Amelia dating Scott.
697
00:27:48,968 --> 00:27:51,770
Did you push her
towards that decision?
698
00:27:51,805 --> 00:27:54,739
- You know, I'm
so ----ing shady.
699
00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:55,875
[laughter]
700
00:28:03,316 --> 00:28:05,818
- Stand by, everyone; let's
make sure everybody's in place.
701
00:28:06,219 --> 00:28:07,354
And queue Andy.
702
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:10,559
- Welcome back
703
00:28:10,900 --> 00:28:13,893
to the "Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills" Reunion.
704
00:28:13,926 --> 00:28:17,630
Lisa, it was so fun seeing
you and Eileen Davidson
705
00:28:17,970 --> 00:28:19,319
in "Beyond Salem" on Peacock.
706
00:28:21,934 --> 00:28:23,236
- You shut your damn mouth.
707
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:25,805
I've had about enough
of you, you beast!
708
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:31,778
- Beast? How dare you!
709
00:28:31,810 --> 00:28:33,813
- You know, they kept
all the good parts out of it.
710
00:28:33,846 --> 00:28:35,714
They didn't have
the "beast" line in.
711
00:28:35,749 --> 00:28:37,750
- Just shut your ----ing mouth.
- Excuse me.
712
00:28:37,784 --> 00:28:39,849
- I've had enough
of you, you beast.
713
00:28:39,118 --> 00:28:40,319
- Beast?
- Yes.
714
00:28:40,353 --> 00:28:42,121
- How dare you!
715
00:28:42,122 --> 00:28:44,624
- And Eileen and I were
like, "You have to say 'beast.'"
716
00:28:44,656 --> 00:28:46,589
- Right.
- "We have to say these words."
717
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,361
Anyway, it all came
together, and it was a blast.
718
00:28:48,394 --> 00:28:50,396
We had so much fun.
- It's really fun.
719
00:28:50,430 --> 00:28:52,980
Well, when the
world slowed down,
720
00:28:52,981 --> 00:28:55,679
so did Lisa and
Hamlin household.
721
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:56,836
And while Harry's
gardening and cooking
722
00:28:56,869 --> 00:29:01,173
were nothing if not heavenly,
it was Amelia's relationship
723
00:29:01,207 --> 00:29:04,810
that had everyone
saying, "Oh, Lord."
724
00:29:04,844 --> 00:29:06,179
- Here we go.
- Let's watch.
725
00:29:06,211 --> 00:29:07,646
- Here we go.
726
00:29:08,914 --> 00:29:11,169
Harry?
- I'm down here.
727
00:29:11,170 --> 00:29:14,220
- Oh, look at your garden.
Hey, we have a pumpkin!
728
00:29:14,253 --> 00:29:19,249
I have definitely formed a
stronger dependency on Harry
729
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:21,268
during these last ten months.
730
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:23,296
- These are haricot
verts, the French beans.
731
00:29:23,328 --> 00:29:25,832
- I love these.
- Tomatoes look done.
732
00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:27,200
- Is this your compost thing?
733
00:29:27,232 --> 00:29:28,934
- That's my compost thing, yeah.
734
00:29:29,349 --> 00:29:30,804
- Do you put poop in there?
735
00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:33,390
[laughter]
- No.
736
00:29:33,730 --> 00:29:35,409
- I cannot imagine what
Harry Hamlin sees in me.
737
00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:36,419
I really can't.
738
00:29:36,420 --> 00:29:39,378
- Pick up the nozzle
and run back here with it.
739
00:29:39,412 --> 00:29:40,814
All this has to
happen in one minute.
740
00:29:40,846 --> 00:29:42,214
- I know. I know.
- Good for you.
741
00:29:42,248 --> 00:29:43,750
- Ah!
- Good for you.
742
00:29:43,782 --> 00:29:45,751
- I did it on my first try!
- All right.
743
00:29:45,785 --> 00:29:48,822
- But I do know how to
give a damn good blow job.
744
00:29:48,855 --> 00:29:50,323
[laughter]
745
00:29:50,356 --> 00:29:51,825
Whoo!
746
00:29:51,857 --> 00:29:53,926
I handle his hose quite well.
747
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,328
Harry is the domestic one.
748
00:29:56,363 --> 00:29:57,896
- This is so pretty.
- So welcome to Positano.
749
00:29:57,931 --> 00:29:59,649
- Wow!
- Wow!
750
00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:01,334
- Que bello!
- This is gorgeous!
751
00:30:01,367 --> 00:30:02,868
Did you set this?
752
00:30:02,902 --> 00:30:04,436
Or did Lisa set this? I
need to know these things.
753
00:30:04,471 --> 00:30:06,205
- She did nothing.
754
00:30:06,239 --> 00:30:07,807
- It would be very different
in my house, let me tell you.
755
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,750
- My husband would
never know how to do this.
756
00:30:09,751 --> 00:30:11,310
- I--never, in a million years.
757
00:30:11,344 --> 00:30:13,913
- We need to take Dad
to dinner somewhere.
758
00:30:13,946 --> 00:30:15,214
- Okay.
759
00:30:19,885 --> 00:30:22,188
- We can talk about my daughter,
760
00:30:22,221 --> 00:30:25,357
who is linked to a guy
named Scott Disick.
761
00:30:25,392 --> 00:30:28,294
And I was like, okay, come
on. Right? Like, come on.
762
00:30:28,327 --> 00:30:30,363
Okay. Like, why can't
it be Harry Styles?
763
00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:33,232
Why the (BLEEP)
is it Scott Disick?
764
00:30:33,266 --> 00:30:35,099
- He's too damn old!
- I know!
765
00:30:35,349 --> 00:30:37,299
- He's old.
- And he's got three kids.
766
00:30:37,369 --> 00:30:38,471
- Would I be freaked
out if I had a daughter
767
00:30:38,505 --> 00:30:40,807
that was dating an older
man? No, I was the daughter
768
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,308
that was dating an older
man all my life, so no.
769
00:30:43,343 --> 00:30:45,979
- Amelia's 19. That's how
old I was when I had my first.
770
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:47,212
Can you imagine?
So, just so you know.
771
00:30:47,247 --> 00:30:49,490
- Oh! The terror.
- [laughs]
772
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:53,519
- [laughing]
- No, no, no, no. No. No.
773
00:30:53,552 --> 00:30:55,855
- No, ma'am.
- He's like, "Don't even play."
774
00:30:55,888 --> 00:30:57,257
- Bill from Manhattan
775
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:59,358
wants to know why
they called it quits
776
00:30:59,392 --> 00:31:02,429
and who pushed
the eject button first?
777
00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:06,199
- I think you just have to
read the press, and Amelia did.
778
00:31:06,231 --> 00:31:08,801
[laughter]
779
00:31:08,835 --> 00:31:12,271
- Can't control the mouth.
- Were you glad she did?
780
00:31:12,305 --> 00:31:13,972
- Yes.
781
00:31:14,740 --> 00:31:16,308
- Did you push her
towards that decision,
782
00:31:16,343 --> 00:31:19,546
or did she make
it all on her own?
783
00:31:19,578 --> 00:31:21,513
- She made it all on her own.
784
00:31:21,548 --> 00:31:24,416
- The news reports
are that it had to do
785
00:31:24,451 --> 00:31:29,122
with the whole DM
exchange that Scott got in.
786
00:31:29,154 --> 00:31:30,856
- Well, I don't think
that was helpful.
787
00:31:30,890 --> 00:31:33,125
- Right.
- There's never one reason why,
788
00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:34,894
I think, people split up.
789
00:31:34,927 --> 00:31:36,229
You know, now's
the time to heal.
790
00:31:36,261 --> 00:31:38,263
Now's the time for
everyone to heal.
791
00:31:38,298 --> 00:31:40,266
- Including yourself.
- Well, yeah.
792
00:31:40,299 --> 00:31:42,935
- And you began healing
by posting a picture
793
00:31:42,969 --> 00:31:45,137
of Harry Styles
on your Instagram.
794
00:31:45,171 --> 00:31:47,574
- You know, I'm
so ----ing shady.
795
00:31:47,606 --> 00:31:48,875
[laughter]
796
00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:50,410
I love Harry Styles.
You know that.
797
00:31:50,442 --> 00:31:51,911
I mean, I was already posting
798
00:31:51,944 --> 00:31:54,114
Harry many times,
if you follow me.
799
00:31:54,146 --> 00:31:55,382
- I hear he's a fan of the show.
800
00:31:55,414 --> 00:31:57,217
Both: He is.
- He loves the show.
801
00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:01,488
- He actually asked some
of us for a birthday video.
802
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,557
- Hearing that you have
been self-quarantined
803
00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:06,588
and binge-watching
804
00:32:06,589 --> 00:32:07,460
"Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills"
805
00:32:07,493 --> 00:32:10,629
is just about the best
news I've gotten all month.
806
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:11,463
[laughs]
807
00:32:11,498 --> 00:32:14,334
- Ah! He loves the show.
- Wow.
808
00:32:14,366 --> 00:32:18,505
What was Amelia's
reaction to seeing you kind of
809
00:32:18,538 --> 00:32:21,374
bashing the relationship
or him on the show?
810
00:32:21,407 --> 00:32:23,410
- Well, I let them know that.
You know, I mean, I was--
811
00:32:23,442 --> 00:32:25,778
- You did.
- Of course. I warned
812
00:32:25,779 --> 00:32:27,212
everybody--I mean, listen,
people are still human,
813
00:32:27,247 --> 00:32:29,315
and I think it still
hurts people's feelings
814
00:32:29,348 --> 00:32:32,551
when you say something
that isn't necessarily...
815
00:32:32,585 --> 00:32:34,319
- Flattering.
- You know, flattering. So.
816
00:32:34,354 --> 00:32:36,588
- Do you think your doing that
played into their relationship
817
00:32:36,623 --> 00:32:38,157
at all in a negative way?
- No.
818
00:32:38,191 --> 00:32:41,125
No. I don't think so. I don't.
819
00:32:41,126 --> 00:32:43,997
- How did you ladies
feel about the breakup?
820
00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:45,865
- Good.
- [chuckles]
821
00:32:45,898 --> 00:32:47,166
- Relieved.
- Yeah.
822
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,102
- No, I mean, I want
everyone to be happy.
823
00:32:50,103 --> 00:32:51,203
But you know how I
felt from the beginning.
824
00:32:51,237 --> 00:32:52,204
- You want your
kids to be happy.
825
00:32:52,238 --> 00:32:53,373
- Right.
- There was too much
826
00:32:53,405 --> 00:32:54,907
of an age gap.
- Crystal, you and Rob
827
00:32:54,941 --> 00:32:56,209
have a 20-year age gap.
828
00:32:56,241 --> 00:32:57,576
Did your parents approve?
829
00:32:57,609 --> 00:32:59,378
- Well, my parents
were 23 years apart.
830
00:32:59,412 --> 00:33:00,613
- Oh, great!
831
00:33:00,646 --> 00:33:03,282
- Yeah, so it was
no issue on their part.
832
00:33:03,316 --> 00:33:04,917
- Kendall from
Lansing, Michigan said,
833
00:33:04,951 --> 00:33:07,528
"Rinna, I get why
you didn't like the idea
834
00:33:07,529 --> 00:33:08,355
"of Amelia dating Scott.
835
00:33:08,387 --> 00:33:10,222
"But when you
actually met the guy,
836
00:33:10,256 --> 00:33:13,192
is that when you started
to really hate the idea?"
837
00:33:13,226 --> 00:33:16,618
- No. Actually,
he was very nice.
838
00:33:16,619 --> 00:33:17,896
When we met him,
he was very nice.
839
00:33:17,931 --> 00:33:20,432
- How many times
did you all hang out?
840
00:33:20,467 --> 00:33:24,699
- I would say three times.
841
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:26,138
- You would say three times.
- Yeah.
842
00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:27,440
Well, I mean, it
was three times,
843
00:33:27,473 --> 00:33:29,308
but I'm saying
yeah, three times.
844
00:33:29,342 --> 00:33:31,644
- Sean from Oakland said,
845
00:33:31,678 --> 00:33:34,798
"Kyle, you're close
friends with Kris Jenner.
846
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,517
"Did you get in trouble
with any of the Kardashians
847
00:33:37,549 --> 00:33:39,318
"when you shared
your negative opinions
848
00:33:39,352 --> 00:33:41,387
about Scott dating Amelia?"
849
00:33:41,421 --> 00:33:43,323
- They never said
anything about it.
850
00:33:43,355 --> 00:33:45,518
I did feel about it right after,
851
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,534
because, you know,
I do know all of them.
852
00:33:48,535 --> 00:33:51,969
But, I mean, Amelia's 20,
and I'm a mom of daughters.
853
00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:54,366
So, I wouldn't approve
if I were in Lisa's shoes,
854
00:33:54,401 --> 00:33:56,236
but I knew that she had
no control over that. So.
855
00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:57,403
- Yeah.
- All right.
856
00:33:57,436 --> 00:34:01,106
It must have been hard not
seeing Lois for all of COVID.
857
00:34:01,141 --> 00:34:02,307
Have you seen her yet?
- I have.
858
00:34:02,342 --> 00:34:05,711
Amelia and I went up and
celebrated her 93rd birthday...
859
00:34:05,744 --> 00:34:07,212
- Wow.
- In June.
860
00:34:07,247 --> 00:34:10,215
[electronic music playing]
861
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:14,688
♪ ♪
862
00:34:14,721 --> 00:34:16,956
- That's a blessing.
863
00:34:17,570 --> 00:34:18,692
- Natalie from Akron, Ohio said,
864
00:34:18,724 --> 00:34:20,693
"Rinna, why do you think Drake
follows you on Instagram...?"
865
00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:22,195
- (BLEEP), I have no idea.
866
00:34:22,228 --> 00:34:23,429
- "But not the rest
of the women?"
867
00:34:23,463 --> 00:34:25,649
- I really have no clue.
868
00:34:25,650 --> 00:34:26,432
I didn't know Drake followed me.
869
00:34:26,465 --> 00:34:28,300
His name is, like, Champagne
Pappy or something.
870
00:34:28,335 --> 00:34:30,269
- That's Champagne Papi.
I follow Champagne Papi.
871
00:34:30,302 --> 00:34:32,438
- How would you know who the
(BLEEP) Champagne Pappy is?
872
00:34:32,472 --> 00:34:34,139
- "Papi. Papi."
- Papi.
873
00:34:34,173 --> 00:34:35,342
- Hilarious.
874
00:34:35,375 --> 00:34:36,742
- Oscar from Delaware
wants to know,
875
00:34:36,775 --> 00:34:39,451
"What other celebrities
are you cozy with
876
00:34:39,452 --> 00:34:42,819
on social media, Rinna?"
- Oh.
877
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:45,848
You know who really thrilled
me recently is Florence Pugh.
878
00:34:45,849 --> 00:34:46,452
Is that how you
say her last name?
879
00:34:46,485 --> 00:34:47,619
- Yeah.
- Yeah.
880
00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:48,755
- The movie star?
- Yeah.
881
00:34:48,788 --> 00:34:50,422
- I think that's what's so
great about Instagram,
882
00:34:50,456 --> 00:34:51,590
is you get to talk to people
883
00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:53,929
that you would
never get to talk to.
884
00:34:53,126 --> 00:34:54,494
- Right.
- These people DM me,
885
00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:57,130
and I'm like, "Wait,
what?" It's exciting.
886
00:34:57,163 --> 00:34:59,532
- Lily from St.
Petersburg, Florida said,
887
00:34:59,565 --> 00:35:02,469
"Kyle, you posted a
thirst trap, hoping to get
888
00:35:02,501 --> 00:35:05,371
that Champagne Papi
follow. Did it work?"
889
00:35:06,672 --> 00:35:09,675
- No. He still
doesn't follow me.
890
00:35:09,708 --> 00:35:13,278
- People really had positive
reactions to Harry Hamlin...
891
00:35:13,313 --> 00:35:14,646
- I know - This season.
892
00:35:14,681 --> 00:35:15,949
Here are some comments.
893
00:35:16,489 --> 00:35:19,753
"Harry can plant his vegetables
in my garden all night long."
894
00:35:19,786 --> 00:35:21,320
- Cute.
- "Harry Hamlin cooks,
895
00:35:21,353 --> 00:35:23,757
"he entertains, he listens.
Lisa, what else do you
896
00:35:23,789 --> 00:35:27,159
bring to the marriage
besides your damn good BJs?"
897
00:35:27,193 --> 00:35:29,161
- Oh, damn.
- [laughs]
898
00:35:29,195 --> 00:35:30,630
- You know, Harry
says this one thing--
899
00:35:30,663 --> 00:35:32,297
And it'll make everybody
laugh--but he says
900
00:35:32,331 --> 00:35:34,800
that I am the smartest
person he's ever met.
901
00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:36,335
- Aww, that's sweet.
902
00:35:36,369 --> 00:35:37,503
- And I always think
that's so amazing...
903
00:35:37,536 --> 00:35:39,271
- That's really sweet.
904
00:35:39,304 --> 00:35:41,739
- 'Cause wouldn't necessarily
think that about me.
905
00:35:41,106 --> 00:35:43,208
So, having Harry Hamlin
say that--I always love that.
906
00:35:43,242 --> 00:35:45,244
- Well, and he knows you
better than anybody. So.
907
00:35:45,277 --> 00:35:46,413
- We love Harry.
908
00:35:46,445 --> 00:35:48,280
- Garcelle, Abigail
from Tulsa said,
909
00:35:48,313 --> 00:35:51,251
"It was so sweet of Harry
to make you extra sauce."
910
00:35:51,284 --> 00:35:53,686
Would you rather be
friends with Harry than Lisa?"
911
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,121
- Oh, my God.
912
00:35:55,155 --> 00:35:57,289
- I've loved Harry
for a very long time.
913
00:35:57,322 --> 00:35:59,125
[laughter]
914
00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:00,827
- So, there's your answer.
- Harry!
915
00:36:00,860 --> 00:36:03,362
- I have something for you.
- You have something for me?
916
00:36:03,396 --> 00:36:05,555
- It's a bunny. No, kidding.
- Is it a bunny?
917
00:36:05,556 --> 00:36:07,670
[gasps] You brought me
sauce? Are you kidding me?
918
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:08,835
- This is Harry Hamlin's
sauce that he made
919
00:36:08,867 --> 00:36:12,472
before he went to Canada.
It's tomatoes from his garden.
920
00:36:12,505 --> 00:36:13,806
- Wow!
921
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,775
- Make sure when you eat it
you send a text the next day.
922
00:36:16,809 --> 00:36:19,445
[laughter]
- I was about to say.
923
00:36:19,478 --> 00:36:21,847
You gotta text him
right this second.
924
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,117
I'd do it right now.
Stop what you're doing.
925
00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:27,186
- That is funny.
926
00:36:27,219 --> 00:36:29,505
All right, thank you,
Harry, for the sauce.
927
00:36:29,506 --> 00:36:31,523
And we are gonna take a
break. We'll be right back.
928
00:36:31,557 --> 00:36:33,592
Wow, I'm so excited about that.
929
00:36:33,626 --> 00:36:36,396
I gotta figure out how
I'm gonna get that home.
930
00:36:37,797 --> 00:36:39,298
Coming up...
931
00:36:39,331 --> 00:36:40,766
- It's really hard for Kathy
932
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,269
to talk about anything
to do with our mom.
933
00:36:53,612 --> 00:36:54,146
- We are back with more
934
00:36:55,148 --> 00:36:57,650
of the "Real Housewives
of Beverly Hills" Reunion.
935
00:36:57,684 --> 00:37:00,552
Well, for years, Kyle
and Kathy's relationship
936
00:37:00,586 --> 00:37:04,556
was in need of a revival.
But now that they're back,
937
00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:07,860
can this sister act keep
from getting canceled again?
938
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:09,262
Let's watch.
939
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:13,733
- Doogie knows her stuff.
- [laughs]
940
00:37:13,766 --> 00:37:16,369
I have no idea why my
sisters call me Doogie.
941
00:37:16,402 --> 00:37:18,304
Now that I think about
it, it's a little suspicious.
942
00:37:18,338 --> 00:37:19,572
[laughs]
943
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,309
- A Doogie. Little child.
944
00:37:23,342 --> 00:37:25,210
It's a love name.
945
00:37:25,244 --> 00:37:27,547
Like a little Tootsie
Roll. [giggles]
946
00:37:29,748 --> 00:37:31,518
I don't want onions in lasagne.
947
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:34,320
- I'm famous for
my lasagne, okay?
948
00:37:34,353 --> 00:37:35,822
- How come I've never had it?
949
00:37:35,855 --> 00:37:39,893
- Because you weren't talking
to me for too many years.
950
00:37:39,925 --> 00:37:42,394
Joking like this with Kathy,
it really does make me think
951
00:37:42,429 --> 00:37:44,297
about all the times
we missed together.
952
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:47,300
- How is your relationship
with Kathy right now?
953
00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:48,902
- Um, not great.
954
00:37:48,934 --> 00:37:50,469
- Are you speaking?
955
00:37:50,503 --> 00:37:52,338
- Not right now.
956
00:37:52,371 --> 00:37:54,273
- Wow.
- Yeah.
957
00:37:54,306 --> 00:37:57,844
- We've been under
scrutiny for so many years,
958
00:37:57,876 --> 00:38:02,514
and what happens is
it's only drawing attention.
959
00:38:02,548 --> 00:38:07,686
- My sister and I had a lot of
setbacks in our relationship.
960
00:38:07,721 --> 00:38:09,389
And then I did "American Woman,"
961
00:38:09,422 --> 00:38:10,923
and I think Kathy thought
962
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,561
that I was going to disrespect
our mother or my sisters.
963
00:38:14,594 --> 00:38:16,762
I did a deal with
Warner Brothers
964
00:38:16,795 --> 00:38:19,766
for a scripted TV show
about my life growing up.
965
00:38:19,798 --> 00:38:22,501
- How has your family
reacted? Did they say well done?
966
00:38:22,534 --> 00:38:24,503
- Uh, not yet.
967
00:38:24,536 --> 00:38:27,539
Anytime there was a
conversation to bring
968
00:38:27,574 --> 00:38:31,543
the family together again,
it just never went well.
969
00:38:31,577 --> 00:38:33,746
My family celebrates Christmas.
- Right.
970
00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:34,947
- But I'm not
always invited now.
971
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,951
It's not like it was before.
We did everything together.
972
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:39,719
Talked every single
day, ten times a day.
973
00:38:39,753 --> 00:38:41,387
It's not like that.
974
00:38:41,420 --> 00:38:43,559
It was a very hard time.
975
00:38:43,623 --> 00:38:46,693
I feel like it caused
so much pain
976
00:38:46,726 --> 00:38:48,494
and heartache in the family,
977
00:38:48,527 --> 00:38:52,331
and none of us ever
want to feel that pain again.
978
00:38:52,364 --> 00:38:53,833
These remind me of
when we were little.
979
00:38:53,867 --> 00:38:56,702
- Remember Mom would
make that--the tomato soup,
980
00:38:56,735 --> 00:38:57,971
out of the can?
981
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:59,873
- She really was
not a good cook.
982
00:38:59,905 --> 00:39:01,875
- This is what she doesn't like.
983
00:39:01,907 --> 00:39:03,610
- What, the talking about that?
984
00:39:08,347 --> 00:39:10,159
- Being together.
985
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:16,755
[crying softly]
986
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,693
- Mom was so funny
with her cooking.
987
00:39:26,766 --> 00:39:28,400
You know?
988
00:39:35,775 --> 00:39:38,439
- Aw.
- Such a waste.
989
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:39,945
- What a waste.
990
00:39:40,460 --> 00:39:42,548
Both: Aw.
- [smooches]
991
00:39:42,581 --> 00:39:45,851
Snuggle me, Doogie. [laughter]
992
00:39:47,721 --> 00:39:49,489
- That's amazing.
993
00:39:50,789 --> 00:39:51,757
- Aww.
994
00:39:51,791 --> 00:39:55,362
- It's nice that there's
a happy ending here.
995
00:39:55,394 --> 00:39:56,829
Right? both: Yep.
996
00:39:56,862 --> 00:39:58,764
- Kathy, what's your
reaction when you see
997
00:39:58,797 --> 00:40:00,800
some of that old footage of Kyle
998
00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:02,936
talking about being
estranged from you?
999
00:40:02,969 --> 00:40:05,438
- It's-it's very sad,
because it's--first time
1000
00:40:05,472 --> 00:40:09,608
I ever saw it was when
I saw that episode.
1001
00:40:09,641 --> 00:40:12,811
- I have to assume
you were not happy
1002
00:40:12,846 --> 00:40:15,849
when the first season aired.
- No.
1003
00:40:15,882 --> 00:40:17,684
- It upset you a lot
to see that limousine.
1004
00:40:17,717 --> 00:40:18,985
You've said that.
1005
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:20,552
- After everything that
I have done for you,
1006
00:40:20,586 --> 00:40:21,755
everything I've done
1007
00:40:21,788 --> 00:40:23,559
for you--I'm always
there for you--
1008
00:40:23,889 --> 00:40:24,456
- Everything you've done for me?
1009
00:40:24,490 --> 00:40:27,599
- Yeah.
- You stole my goddamn house!
1010
00:40:27,929 --> 00:40:29,396
- You better ----ing
take that back right now.
1011
00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:30,896
You better ----ing...
1012
00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:31,998
- Stop it. Stop.
1013
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,599
- Right now.
- Stop it. Stop it.
1014
00:40:33,632 --> 00:40:35,969
- You are a liar and,
second, an alcoholic.
1015
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:38,905
- Then you had Kim's issues...
- Don't.
1016
00:40:38,938 --> 00:40:42,574
- With her sobriety
playing out on the show.
1017
00:40:42,608 --> 00:40:44,476
- Right.
- And I again have to assume
1018
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:47,847
that that was very painful
for you, as it was for Kyle.
1019
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,684
- I kept thinking about my mom.
Like, what would my mom do?
1020
00:40:51,717 --> 00:40:53,452
- Wow.
- And as the oldest sister,
1021
00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:55,210
I feel like,
1022
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:56,889
Holy...
1023
00:40:56,922 --> 00:40:58,391
- A responsibility.
1024
00:40:58,425 --> 00:40:59,659
- Right.
- Yeah.
1025
00:40:59,693 --> 00:41:01,628
And I understand
Erika a little bit,
1026
00:41:01,661 --> 00:41:06,658
because I think there's a part
of me that was very much, like,
1027
00:41:06,659 --> 00:41:08,601
holding things in like
that. Don't you think?
1028
00:41:08,635 --> 00:41:10,698
- Mm-hmm. Oh,
you definitely did.
1029
00:41:10,699 --> 00:41:12,972
- And when you can stand
back and look at yourself
1030
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:16,108
by having this on
the show like that,
1031
00:41:16,141 --> 00:41:19,112
if it can help other people
to, like, pick up the phone
1032
00:41:19,144 --> 00:41:22,981
or just be more vulnerable
and not waste time
1033
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:26,719
and a
relationship--because we did.
1034
00:41:26,753 --> 00:41:28,487
We wasted a lot of time.
1035
00:41:28,521 --> 00:41:30,856
- Thank God you're
still here to change that.
1036
00:41:30,889 --> 00:41:31,791
- Right. Absolutely.
1037
00:41:31,824 --> 00:41:34,927
- How many episodes
of "American Woman"
1038
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,463
did you wind up
watching? Or did you?
1039
00:41:37,496 --> 00:41:39,666
- You know, I watched a trailer.
1040
00:41:39,699 --> 00:41:41,668
I don't watch TV much.
1041
00:41:41,701 --> 00:41:44,871
- Given what an issue it
was, do you think maybe
1042
00:41:44,903 --> 00:41:46,639
if you had watched
it you would have--
1043
00:41:46,672 --> 00:41:48,907
That maybe would have
put that to bed a little bit?
1044
00:41:48,942 --> 00:41:53,579
- No, because I don't even
talk to my mother's friends.
1045
00:41:53,612 --> 00:41:54,780
- Interesting.
1046
00:41:54,813 --> 00:41:56,983
- There's a tape
of her talking to us.
1047
00:41:57,170 --> 00:42:01,588
I just--the fact that
she's not here anymore,
1048
00:42:01,621 --> 00:42:03,188
[voice breaking] it's
just very hard for me.
1049
00:42:06,192 --> 00:42:08,610
[crying]
1050
00:42:18,637 --> 00:42:20,730
- [quietly] It's okay.
1051
00:42:20,773 --> 00:42:26,111
I do feel like it's
really hard for Kathy to
1052
00:42:26,112 --> 00:42:30,483
talk about any of this--
Anything to do with our mom.
1053
00:42:32,217 --> 00:42:34,868
It's okay. It's okay.
1054
00:42:34,869 --> 00:42:35,822
[soft music]
1055
00:42:35,855 --> 00:42:38,909
It's okay. It's okay, it's okay.
1056
00:42:39,693 --> 00:42:40,960
It's okay.
1057
00:42:44,963 --> 00:42:46,932
It's okay. It's okay.
- It's too hard for her.
1058
00:42:46,965 --> 00:42:48,134
It's too hard.
1059
00:42:49,235 --> 00:42:51,137
- [sobbing]
1060
00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:53,172
- It's okay.
1061
00:43:09,789 --> 00:43:12,625
- Next week, the
reunion continues.
1062
00:43:12,659 --> 00:43:15,127
How did you land a
job at an escort agency?
1063
00:43:15,128 --> 00:43:17,230
- It was the summer between
high school and college.
1064
00:43:17,262 --> 00:43:19,231
- Prime time to work
at an escort agency.
1065
00:43:19,264 --> 00:43:22,135
- Right. Well, I was 18. So.
- [laughs]
1066
00:43:22,168 --> 00:43:25,709
- Who would trust
Kathy to cut your hair?
1067
00:43:25,710 --> 00:43:26,718
- Oh, hell no!
1068
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,875
- What about to do dental work?
- Not dental.
1069
00:43:28,907 --> 00:43:30,175
- That's where
you draw the line.
1070
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:31,811
[laughter]
1071
00:43:31,844 --> 00:43:32,945
- Do you stand by your assertion
1072
00:43:32,978 --> 00:43:36,583
that the leather pants--?
- They weren't my favorite.
1073
00:43:36,615 --> 00:43:39,219
- What did Erika know?
1074
00:43:39,251 --> 00:43:44,824
Did you have any sense this
alleged theft was happening?
1075
00:43:44,858 --> 00:43:46,659
When the women
ask you questions,
1076
00:43:46,693 --> 00:43:48,260
you lash out at them.
- Absolutely.
1077
00:43:48,293 --> 00:43:50,764
I'm lashing out at
everyone, Andy.
1078
00:43:50,797 --> 00:43:53,266
- You come off as
you're the victim.
1079
00:43:53,298 --> 00:43:55,835
- You looked like
you were the victim.
1080
00:43:55,869 --> 00:43:57,269
- Are you ----ing kidding me?
1081
00:43:57,302 --> 00:44:00,206
- You found him after he
was unconscious for 12 hours?
1082
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,429
- Yes.
- Is there a police report?
1083
00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:03,842
- They can't find one.
1084
00:44:03,876 --> 00:44:05,612
- Where's your
anger towards him?
1085
00:44:05,644 --> 00:44:07,468
- What do you want me to do?
1086
00:44:07,469 --> 00:44:08,715
- You just bit Crystal's
head off and said--
1087
00:44:08,748 --> 00:44:10,650
- She just told me I
wasn't angry enough.
1088
00:44:10,684 --> 00:44:12,952
Am I angry now enough for you?
1089
00:44:13,530 --> 00:44:14,286
You don't know
what I have done...
1090
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,889
- That's--
- Or what I will do.
1091
00:44:15,922 --> 00:44:18,578
- That's true.
- What will you do?
1092
00:44:18,579 --> 00:44:19,592
- You'll just have to
wait and see, won't you?
1093
00:44:19,626 --> 00:44:20,960
[dramatic music]