1 00:00:03,170 --> 00:00:05,170 Narrator: On the western side of south america 2 00:00:05,247 --> 00:00:08,565 Is a land of exotic jungles, vast plains, 3 00:00:08,584 --> 00:00:11,510 And astounding archaeological sites. 4 00:00:11,661 --> 00:00:13,995 Giorgio a. Tsoukalos: All throughout that region of the world, 5 00:00:14,015 --> 00:00:15,906 We have some of the most incredible 6 00:00:15,924 --> 00:00:19,576 Architectural structures on planet earth. 7 00:00:19,595 --> 00:00:22,337 Narrator: But could new discoveries reveal 8 00:00:22,356 --> 00:00:24,414 That the true history of peru 9 00:00:24,433 --> 00:00:27,918 Is far more incredible than we ever imagined? 10 00:00:27,936 --> 00:00:30,937 Hugh newman: The dating of caral has really put into question 11 00:00:31,090 --> 00:00:33,607 The origins of civilization and the planet. 12 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:36,260 Tsoukalos: This excavation has put the entire region 13 00:00:36,278 --> 00:00:37,703 Into a new light. 14 00:00:37,780 --> 00:00:40,097 Narrator: Ancient astronaut theorist 15 00:00:40,115 --> 00:00:44,284 Giorgio tsoukalos is joined by author david childress 16 00:00:44,436 --> 00:00:46,620 And investigative mythologist william henry 17 00:00:46,772 --> 00:00:50,941 To examine evidence suggesting that peru was home 18 00:00:50,959 --> 00:00:54,294 To an advanced civilization thousands of years ago... 19 00:00:55,631 --> 00:00:57,872 David childress: These discoveries are changing the face 20 00:00:57,892 --> 00:01:00,041 Of south american archaeology. 21 00:01:00,061 --> 00:01:03,120 Narrator: ...And was influenced by beings from another world. 22 00:01:04,047 --> 00:01:06,714 The message is consistent throughout all these discoveries 23 00:01:06,734 --> 00:01:09,902 That extraterrestrials were helping to advance us. 24 00:01:09,978 --> 00:01:12,738 I mean, this is about as exciting as it gets. 25 00:01:15,818 --> 00:01:18,869 Narrator: There is a doorway in the universe. 26 00:01:20,639 --> 00:01:23,807 Beyond it is the promise of truth. 27 00:01:24,643 --> 00:01:27,402 It demands we question everything 28 00:01:27,421 --> 00:01:29,904 We have ever been taught. 29 00:01:29,924 --> 00:01:32,407 The evidence is all around us. 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:37,245 The future is right before our eyes. 31 00:01:37,264 --> 00:01:39,840 We are not alone. 32 00:01:39,992 --> 00:01:43,102 We have never been alone. 33 00:01:49,852 --> 00:01:51,759 Peru is actually one of my favorite 34 00:01:51,779 --> 00:01:53,520 Places to visit on the planet, 35 00:01:53,672 --> 00:01:55,672 And we've all been to peru. 36 00:01:55,691 --> 00:01:57,616 This is what's so great about that whole region 37 00:01:57,693 --> 00:02:00,452 Because it seems as if this whole area 38 00:02:00,604 --> 00:02:03,847 Continues to give us new pieces of information. 39 00:02:03,866 --> 00:02:06,350 Henry: And we're just beginning to uncover what's actually there. 40 00:02:06,368 --> 00:02:08,368 It's kind of like a wild frontier down there. 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,963 I mean, worlds meet down there, don't they? 42 00:02:11,114 --> 00:02:13,190 It's really, uh, just 43 00:02:13,208 --> 00:02:16,193 The most mysterious place, and it's a very large country 44 00:02:16,211 --> 00:02:19,304 That goes from deserts along the coast 45 00:02:19,456 --> 00:02:21,548 Up into the mountains, 46 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:24,201 Down into the jungles-- it has literally 47 00:02:24,219 --> 00:02:26,979 -Every climate in the world. -Tsoukalos: Mm-hmm. 48 00:02:27,130 --> 00:02:29,631 And it's also a treasure trove 49 00:02:29,650 --> 00:02:31,799 For the ancient astronaut theory 50 00:02:31,819 --> 00:02:34,544 -Henry: Yeah. -Because there are many megalithic sites 51 00:02:34,546 --> 00:02:37,898 And especially in the legends 52 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:40,550 -And the mythologies of that place. -Yep. 53 00:02:40,569 --> 00:02:44,496 You have stories of giants and of, uh, gods, 54 00:02:44,648 --> 00:02:45,998 The children of the sun. 55 00:02:49,003 --> 00:02:52,078 Narrator: The country of peru in western south america 56 00:02:52,231 --> 00:02:56,066 Is known for its many ancient archaeological wonders 57 00:02:56,084 --> 00:02:58,735 From the massive stone walls of cusco 58 00:02:58,754 --> 00:03:02,739 To the magnificent terraces at ollantaytambo, 59 00:03:02,758 --> 00:03:06,743 To the majestic mountain citadel of machu picchu. 60 00:03:07,521 --> 00:03:10,838 These incredible sites have long been connected 61 00:03:10,858 --> 00:03:15,585 To a great civilization that emerged in the 13th century ad 62 00:03:15,604 --> 00:03:18,922 Known as the inca. 63 00:03:18,941 --> 00:03:21,591 The inca pretty much 64 00:03:21,610 --> 00:03:24,261 Not just dominated the landscape, 65 00:03:24,279 --> 00:03:26,288 They changed the landscape. 66 00:03:29,268 --> 00:03:32,544 They had these major massive cities 67 00:03:32,696 --> 00:03:36,606 From one end of the andes to the other end of the andes. 68 00:03:36,625 --> 00:03:39,459 And in between each of these cities, 69 00:03:39,611 --> 00:03:42,221 They had this incredible road network. 70 00:03:44,558 --> 00:03:46,374 We have to think about the inca 71 00:03:46,393 --> 00:03:49,561 As part of this aggressive trend 72 00:03:49,713 --> 00:03:53,232 Of ideas and of culture and tradition. 73 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:58,570 Narrator: In 1526, spanish conquistadors, 74 00:03:58,722 --> 00:04:02,557 Led by francisco pizarro, arrived in peru, 75 00:04:02,576 --> 00:04:05,244 And over the course of the following four decades, 76 00:04:05,395 --> 00:04:07,246 Conquered the inca empire. 77 00:04:07,397 --> 00:04:09,915 While the inca only flourished 78 00:04:10,066 --> 00:04:11,992 For a little more than two centuries, 79 00:04:12,144 --> 00:04:15,903 Mainstream archaeologists remain astonished 80 00:04:15,923 --> 00:04:19,174 By their engineering and construction achievements. 81 00:04:22,096 --> 00:04:24,821 But a mounting body of evidence suggests 82 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:28,158 Many of peru's astounding structures may, in fact, 83 00:04:28,176 --> 00:04:32,604 Have been built by a much earlier civilization. 84 00:04:32,681 --> 00:04:35,423 The incas were pretty recent, really, 85 00:04:35,442 --> 00:04:37,517 -To the spanish. They're not the oldest, -henry: Right. 86 00:04:37,669 --> 00:04:39,278 -Henry: Right. -Childress: They had only existed 87 00:04:39,429 --> 00:04:42,430 -About 200 years before the spanish arrived. -Right. Yeah. 88 00:04:42,449 --> 00:04:45,099 And allegedly, during that period, 89 00:04:45,119 --> 00:04:49,179 They built all these giant megaliths around cusco, 90 00:04:49,197 --> 00:04:51,865 Sacsayhuamán, even machu picchu and ollantaytambo, 91 00:04:52,017 --> 00:04:53,850 And they would have just completed them 92 00:04:53,869 --> 00:04:55,777 -Wait... -Like, a hundred years before the spanish. 93 00:04:55,796 --> 00:04:57,704 Wait a second, wait a second. But here's the deal. 94 00:04:57,856 --> 00:05:00,615 That is mainstream archaeology's opinion. 95 00:05:00,634 --> 00:05:02,709 When you ask the local, 96 00:05:02,861 --> 00:05:04,452 Including the local archaeologists 97 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:06,696 And tour guides, yes, 98 00:05:06,715 --> 00:05:09,791 They will tell tour groups that yes, this is all inca, 99 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:13,053 But when you have deep conversations with them, 100 00:05:13,205 --> 00:05:17,207 They all agree that many of those structures 101 00:05:17,209 --> 00:05:18,725 Are pre-inca. 102 00:05:18,877 --> 00:05:21,320 And this is where the opinions diverge. 103 00:05:21,396 --> 00:05:23,322 -Henry: Right. -Who were the pre-inca? 104 00:05:24,399 --> 00:05:27,551 Narrator: In April 2019, 105 00:05:27,553 --> 00:05:29,719 David childress traveled to peru 106 00:05:29,738 --> 00:05:32,664 With author hugh newman to meet 107 00:05:32,816 --> 00:05:34,833 With jorge luis delgado, 108 00:05:34,910 --> 00:05:39,338 A local expert on and a descendant of the inca. 109 00:05:39,414 --> 00:05:42,232 Jorge believes that many of peru's most incredible 110 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:46,845 Ancient structures do, in fact, predate the inca. 111 00:06:08,110 --> 00:06:09,701 Childress: All right. Here we are. 112 00:06:09,778 --> 00:06:12,704 Narrator: On this day, jorge took david and hugh 113 00:06:12,781 --> 00:06:15,599 To one of peru's most mysterious sites: 114 00:06:15,617 --> 00:06:18,025 A location outside of cusco 115 00:06:18,045 --> 00:06:20,437 Known only as the x-zone. 116 00:06:20,455 --> 00:06:24,716 Overlooking the sprawling stone fortress of sacsayhuamán, 117 00:06:24,868 --> 00:06:28,778 The x-zone is an impressive collection of megalithic ruins, 118 00:06:28,797 --> 00:06:33,517 Rock-cut monuments and a maze of underground tunnels. 119 00:06:57,325 --> 00:07:00,810 -Henry: It's incredible. -Childress: What kind of technology 120 00:07:00,829 --> 00:07:05,665 Does it take to cut these so perfectly and straight 121 00:07:05,817 --> 00:07:09,261 And then fit them in where you can't fit 122 00:07:09,337 --> 00:07:12,597 A piece of paper or a razor blade in here. 123 00:07:12,674 --> 00:07:15,992 Henry: It seems like they're softening the stones somehow, 124 00:07:15,994 --> 00:07:18,586 And they're kind of shaping it and then putting it back in. 125 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:19,938 Like some magical technology. 126 00:07:57,311 --> 00:07:59,794 Narrator: Naylamp was the deity 127 00:07:59,813 --> 00:08:03,223 Worshipped by the sican people who settled in northern peru 128 00:08:03,375 --> 00:08:07,319 Around 750 ad, centuries before the inca. 129 00:08:07,470 --> 00:08:09,546 Their oral traditions 130 00:08:09,548 --> 00:08:12,549 Describe naylamp as a strange being 131 00:08:12,567 --> 00:08:14,809 With sharp birdlike features 132 00:08:14,828 --> 00:08:17,220 Who, upon his death, sprouted wings 133 00:08:17,239 --> 00:08:20,240 And then ascended into the sky. 134 00:08:20,392 --> 00:08:23,059 Is it possible that these traditional beliefs 135 00:08:23,078 --> 00:08:26,654 Are grounded in fact, as the sican people claim? 136 00:08:27,566 --> 00:08:30,175 And, if so, could naylamp have been, 137 00:08:30,326 --> 00:08:32,827 As ancient astronaut theorists suspect, 138 00:08:32,846 --> 00:08:35,096 An extraterrestrial being? 139 00:09:18,950 --> 00:09:21,951 I think that the incas found these places. 140 00:09:21,953 --> 00:09:25,230 They identified them as very important, and they moved in. 141 00:09:25,307 --> 00:09:28,049 They say so in one of the earliest books 142 00:09:28,068 --> 00:09:29,959 Written about that region. 143 00:09:29,978 --> 00:09:32,478 Diego de landa was the one who wrote it. 144 00:09:32,631 --> 00:09:35,131 It says that the incas themselves 145 00:09:35,133 --> 00:09:38,225 Said this was not built by us. 146 00:09:38,245 --> 00:09:40,820 -We also have the local legends -henry: Yeah. 147 00:09:40,972 --> 00:09:45,642 That say that there were celestial visitors. 148 00:09:45,644 --> 00:09:49,254 They were not gods. They were visiting extraterrestrials. 149 00:09:49,331 --> 00:09:50,980 Henry: Well, here's where now we get 150 00:09:50,999 --> 00:09:53,316 Fact backing up the local knowledge, 151 00:09:53,335 --> 00:09:54,909 Lore, understanding in this. 152 00:09:54,928 --> 00:09:57,912 1994 archaeologist ruth shady 153 00:09:57,931 --> 00:10:00,432 Is exploring north of lima, and she said, 154 00:10:00,583 --> 00:10:03,159 -"that hill over there-- that looks artificial to me." -tsoukalos: Mm-hmm. 155 00:10:03,178 --> 00:10:04,936 So she goes and gathers some soldiers. 156 00:10:05,088 --> 00:10:06,587 They do some excavating. 157 00:10:06,607 --> 00:10:08,773 Lo and behold, here's this-- what? 158 00:10:08,850 --> 00:10:10,683 Ten-story-tall pyramid. 159 00:10:10,836 --> 00:10:13,278 And that became known as the site of... 160 00:10:13,355 --> 00:10:15,338 -Caral. -Right. 161 00:10:15,357 --> 00:10:18,341 Narrator: First discovered in 1905, 162 00:10:18,343 --> 00:10:22,454 The site of caral-supe, often referred to as simply caral, 163 00:10:22,605 --> 00:10:25,790 Was initially thought to be little more than a scattering 164 00:10:25,942 --> 00:10:29,443 Of insignificant and possibly modern ruins. 165 00:10:30,355 --> 00:10:34,023 But while investigating the site in 1994, 166 00:10:34,042 --> 00:10:37,636 Peruvian archaeologist ruth shady solís 167 00:10:37,712 --> 00:10:40,805 Came to the astonishing revelation that caral 168 00:10:40,957 --> 00:10:44,768 Was once a vast and highly sophisticated city. 169 00:10:47,981 --> 00:10:51,799 When you visit caral, you find a huge archaeological complex. 170 00:10:51,818 --> 00:10:56,321 There is a large sunken amphitheater to the south. 171 00:10:56,398 --> 00:10:58,823 There's a major pyramid to the north 172 00:10:58,900 --> 00:11:01,642 And then there are more minor pyramids 173 00:11:01,662 --> 00:11:04,737 That surround a central area. 174 00:11:04,890 --> 00:11:07,499 There are also other buildings, residential buildings, 175 00:11:07,650 --> 00:11:09,834 So it's a really huge complex. 176 00:11:10,837 --> 00:11:13,338 Narrator: But the most extraordinary discovery 177 00:11:13,489 --> 00:11:15,581 Was still to come. 178 00:11:15,734 --> 00:11:20,327 While excavating the pyramid's foundation in 1999, 179 00:11:20,347 --> 00:11:23,998 Ruth shady and her team unearthed the preserved remains 180 00:11:24,017 --> 00:11:27,744 Of ancient mesh bags woven from a long durable grass 181 00:11:27,746 --> 00:11:30,171 Known as shicra. 182 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:33,525 Up until this time, there had been no way 183 00:11:33,601 --> 00:11:36,861 To scientifically determine the age of caral 184 00:11:36,938 --> 00:11:40,273 Since it is not possible to perform radiocarbon dating 185 00:11:40,425 --> 00:11:44,427 On inorganic material like stone ruins. 186 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,764 With the discovery of the grass bags, 187 00:11:47,766 --> 00:11:51,042 Archaeologists now had the organic material they needed 188 00:11:51,119 --> 00:11:54,195 To determine just how old caral really was. 189 00:11:55,048 --> 00:11:59,125 And what they found was nothing less than shocking. 190 00:11:59,277 --> 00:12:01,127 Carbon dating of the bags 191 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:05,223 Revealed that caral predated the inca civilization 192 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:08,117 By more than 3,000 years. 193 00:12:08,136 --> 00:12:10,119 Schoch: This site went back at least 194 00:12:10,121 --> 00:12:13,732 To 2600 bc or earlier. 195 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:18,903 So that was putting it back 4,600 or more years, 196 00:12:19,055 --> 00:12:22,465 Which made it one of the oldest sites 197 00:12:22,484 --> 00:12:26,060 As far as civilization in the americas. 198 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,914 Newman: Caral could be the mother culture 199 00:12:30,066 --> 00:12:32,141 Of the whole of south america. 200 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,236 The dating of caral has really put into question 201 00:12:35,255 --> 00:12:37,756 The origins of civilization on the planet. 202 00:13:11,032 --> 00:13:14,350 Narrator: The dating of caral to 2600 bc, 203 00:13:14,369 --> 00:13:18,187 A revelation made just a little more than two decades ago, 204 00:13:18,206 --> 00:13:22,875 Completely upended history's well-established timeline. 205 00:13:23,028 --> 00:13:26,712 And continuing excavation has produced evidence 206 00:13:26,865 --> 00:13:29,474 Suggesting the site is even older. 207 00:13:32,145 --> 00:13:34,128 These discoveries at caral 208 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:37,373 Are changing the face of south american archaeology 209 00:13:37,392 --> 00:13:38,983 And we don't even know what 210 00:13:39,135 --> 00:13:41,653 New discoveries they're going to be making in the future. 211 00:13:41,729 --> 00:13:43,822 I mean, you have a choice. If you're an archaeologist, 212 00:13:43,898 --> 00:13:47,383 You're either really excited right now or really nervous 213 00:13:47,402 --> 00:13:49,735 Because the chronology has been obliterated, 214 00:13:49,888 --> 00:13:52,479 And now we have to ask were extraterrestrials 215 00:13:52,499 --> 00:13:55,224 Helping to advance us? And caral is hinting 216 00:13:55,243 --> 00:13:56,559 At that as well. Definitely. 217 00:13:56,578 --> 00:14:02,748 Incredible. 218 00:14:02,901 --> 00:14:04,417 Have either of you been to caral? 219 00:14:04,569 --> 00:14:05,659 -No. -No. -Well, this is great 220 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,903 Because on our video call 221 00:14:06,921 --> 00:14:09,013 Is our good friend brien foerster 222 00:14:09,090 --> 00:14:10,515 -And he's just been to caral, and I can't wait to hear -awesome. 223 00:14:10,666 --> 00:14:13,017 -What he has to report to us. -Absolutely. -Oh, right. 224 00:14:13,094 --> 00:14:15,578 Hey, brien. Good to see you. 225 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:16,913 -Childress: Hi, brien. -Gentlemen. 226 00:14:16,931 --> 00:14:18,081 Tsoukalos: It's been a long time. 227 00:14:18,099 --> 00:14:19,916 Always a pleasure to visit 228 00:14:19,918 --> 00:14:22,193 With my ancient aliens compatriots. 229 00:14:22,270 --> 00:14:25,697 -Are you at your house in paracas? -Foerster: Yeah. 230 00:14:25,773 --> 00:14:27,590 I've just come back from an incredible 231 00:14:27,609 --> 00:14:29,592 Ancient site called caral 232 00:14:29,594 --> 00:14:31,527 On the central coast of peru. 233 00:14:32,355 --> 00:14:34,780 Caral has only been excavated 234 00:14:34,933 --> 00:14:37,375 For possibly the last 20 or 30 years. 235 00:14:38,453 --> 00:14:40,436 It was a huge trading center 236 00:14:40,455 --> 00:14:44,273 That connected the coast of peru, the highlands of peru, 237 00:14:44,275 --> 00:14:48,277 And even the amazon jungle 4,500 years ago. 238 00:14:49,055 --> 00:14:51,723 Narrator: Aside from featuring the remains 239 00:14:51,799 --> 00:14:53,966 Of many impressive ancient structures, 240 00:14:54,119 --> 00:14:56,953 Caral appears to have been designed 241 00:14:56,971 --> 00:14:59,789 Very much like a modern metropolis 242 00:14:59,807 --> 00:15:03,217 With specific districts dedicated to various trades, 243 00:15:03,236 --> 00:15:07,630 Along with dwellings for as many as 3,000 inhabitants. 244 00:15:07,632 --> 00:15:09,240 Beardsley: At caral, 245 00:15:09,317 --> 00:15:12,802 We've got this incredible urban planning. 246 00:15:12,820 --> 00:15:17,140 It has indications of the use of science. 247 00:15:17,992 --> 00:15:21,477 Definitely engineering, definitely mathematics 248 00:15:21,496 --> 00:15:24,738 When we start looking at the planning, the structure 249 00:15:24,758 --> 00:15:27,592 Of these particular sites. 250 00:15:27,743 --> 00:15:31,320 It's a huge complex. They're discovering more and more of it. 251 00:15:31,339 --> 00:15:33,247 So as you drive off the highway 252 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:36,100 Towards caral, there are ruins on the left side 253 00:15:36,177 --> 00:15:38,010 And the right side going on for miles. 254 00:15:38,163 --> 00:15:40,496 So it was a very major center. 255 00:15:40,498 --> 00:15:43,182 Probably the most incredible thing is the central pyramid. 256 00:15:43,334 --> 00:15:46,836 It's quite massive, and the excavations are ongoing. 257 00:15:47,689 --> 00:15:50,448 Narrator: Standing some 90 feet tall, 258 00:15:50,599 --> 00:15:54,677 The great pyramid of caral occupies an area of five acres 259 00:15:54,696 --> 00:15:57,288 Or nearly four football fields. 260 00:15:58,533 --> 00:16:00,959 A 30-foot-wide staircase rises 261 00:16:01,035 --> 00:16:04,854 From a sunken circular plaza at the base of the pyramid 262 00:16:04,856 --> 00:16:07,465 Passing over three terraced levels 263 00:16:07,542 --> 00:16:10,860 Until it reaches the top of a platform 264 00:16:10,878 --> 00:16:13,638 That features the remains of a large atrium 265 00:16:13,715 --> 00:16:17,867 And some kind of structure designed for continuous burning. 266 00:16:17,869 --> 00:16:20,812 But just what was its purpose? 267 00:16:20,963 --> 00:16:23,630 Newman: It's quite tall, and it's thought that 268 00:16:23,650 --> 00:16:26,484 The ceremonial aspect of the site was carried out 269 00:16:26,635 --> 00:16:28,894 From the top of this particular pyramid. 270 00:16:29,047 --> 00:16:31,990 And the chief priests, or shaman, 271 00:16:32,066 --> 00:16:34,975 Could actually see over the whole domain of caral 272 00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:37,829 And actually almost see to the coast on a clear day. 273 00:16:38,906 --> 00:16:43,167 And so it could have been used for astronomical observations. 274 00:16:44,838 --> 00:16:47,505 Narrator: Recently unearthed archaeological evidence 275 00:16:47,582 --> 00:16:49,732 Suggests that, during the same period, 276 00:16:49,734 --> 00:16:52,844 Approximately 4,600 years ago, 277 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,014 While ziggurats were being built in mesopotamia, 278 00:16:56,090 --> 00:16:58,908 As well as the step pyramids in egypt, 279 00:16:58,910 --> 00:17:01,911 Incredibly similar structures 280 00:17:01,913 --> 00:17:04,188 Were being constructed in caral. 281 00:17:06,267 --> 00:17:09,193 Was this by pure coincidence? 282 00:17:09,345 --> 00:17:13,197 Ancient astronaut theorists believe the evidence suggests 283 00:17:13,274 --> 00:17:15,925 They could be profoundly connected. 284 00:17:16,778 --> 00:17:20,930 It's almost as if there was some kind of syzygy going on 285 00:17:20,948 --> 00:17:25,877 Between egypt and the caral civilization 286 00:17:25,953 --> 00:17:29,881 Of northern peru at exactly the same time. 287 00:17:31,793 --> 00:17:35,202 These monuments quite clearly are meant 288 00:17:35,221 --> 00:17:38,798 To connect us with otherworldly environments. 289 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:43,619 They were both constructed around 2600 bc. 290 00:17:43,621 --> 00:17:46,397 I find that very intriguing indeed. 291 00:17:48,217 --> 00:17:50,626 Caral is dated to about the same time 292 00:17:50,645 --> 00:17:53,053 That the saqqara step pyramid was built. 293 00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:56,132 Do you see a correspondence between those two sites? 294 00:17:56,134 --> 00:17:58,134 It's just curious that this timeline 295 00:17:58,152 --> 00:18:02,729 Keeps coming up about ancient places being 4,500 years old. 296 00:18:02,749 --> 00:18:04,749 Like the pyramids in egypt 297 00:18:04,826 --> 00:18:06,733 And other locations around the world. 298 00:18:06,753 --> 00:18:09,236 Henry: I think that there was a pre-flood civilization, 299 00:18:09,255 --> 00:18:12,832 Everything collapsed and then around this period-- 3000 bc-- 300 00:18:12,984 --> 00:18:15,835 Then all of a sudden there's this reset in the ancient world. 301 00:18:15,987 --> 00:18:18,262 Yeah, that very much seems to be the case. 302 00:18:19,248 --> 00:18:22,325 Narrator: In ancient traditions around the world, 303 00:18:22,343 --> 00:18:24,493 There are accounts of a lost civilization 304 00:18:24,512 --> 00:18:28,514 That existed on earth that was destroyed by a great flood... 305 00:18:29,500 --> 00:18:32,777 ...Such as the vedas texts of india, 306 00:18:32,854 --> 00:18:36,856 The babylonian poem the epic of gilgamesh, 307 00:18:37,008 --> 00:18:39,342 The bible's book of genesis, 308 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:42,345 And the incan myth of the unu pachakuti. 309 00:18:43,197 --> 00:18:46,349 According to geologist dr. Robert schoch, 310 00:18:46,351 --> 00:18:48,292 A growing body of evidence suggests 311 00:18:48,369 --> 00:18:52,021 That these stories are based on historical events, 312 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:53,856 And that such a cataclysm 313 00:18:53,858 --> 00:18:55,800 May actually have occurred around the end 314 00:18:55,877 --> 00:18:59,804 Of the last ice age 12,000 years ago. 315 00:19:00,882 --> 00:19:05,368 We now know, based on a lot of geological data, 316 00:19:05,386 --> 00:19:07,961 That there were incredible 317 00:19:07,981 --> 00:19:10,648 Climatic changes at the end of the last ice age. 318 00:19:10,725 --> 00:19:13,559 My work has put it all together that 319 00:19:13,711 --> 00:19:17,488 This was based on major solar outbursts that change conditions 320 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,324 On the surface of the earth dramatically. 321 00:19:20,476 --> 00:19:23,552 And to make a very big story very short, 322 00:19:23,571 --> 00:19:26,664 There were well-developed cultures, 323 00:19:26,741 --> 00:19:30,817 Sophisticated cultures, civilization on earth 324 00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:33,896 That were devastated by the events 325 00:19:33,915 --> 00:19:37,233 At the end of the last ice age. 326 00:19:37,251 --> 00:19:39,568 Narrator: According to dr. Schoch, 327 00:19:39,570 --> 00:19:43,072 This cataclysm thrust humanity into a dark age 328 00:19:43,090 --> 00:19:45,016 For thousands of years. 329 00:19:45,167 --> 00:19:49,353 Until new civilizations emerged around the globe 330 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:51,747 At remarkably similar times. 331 00:19:52,675 --> 00:19:57,195 Schoch: After thousands of years, civilizations reemerged 332 00:19:57,271 --> 00:19:59,255 Around the same time period, 333 00:19:59,257 --> 00:20:02,200 Between about 3500 bc 334 00:20:02,276 --> 00:20:04,927 To 2500 bc or so. 335 00:20:04,946 --> 00:20:08,764 We have that in the old world with egypt, 336 00:20:08,783 --> 00:20:11,600 With mesopotamia, 337 00:20:11,602 --> 00:20:15,938 In asia with the chinese cultures. 338 00:20:16,865 --> 00:20:21,277 Caral is, I believe, evidence of this in the americas 339 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:24,371 Of the reemergence of civilization. 340 00:20:25,225 --> 00:20:28,059 Can you tell us why, in your opinion, 341 00:20:28,210 --> 00:20:30,728 It is such an important ancient site? 342 00:20:30,805 --> 00:20:32,546 I think the most important thing was that 343 00:20:32,565 --> 00:20:35,233 People of caral were in some way connected 344 00:20:35,309 --> 00:20:38,402 To the ancient deity called viracocha, 345 00:20:38,479 --> 00:20:40,571 Which we find in other cultures in peru 346 00:20:40,723 --> 00:20:42,314 And other locations around the world. 347 00:20:42,467 --> 00:20:45,317 -Wow. -Henry: They found the gourd buried near caral 348 00:20:45,470 --> 00:20:48,228 That had the image of the staff god on it, 349 00:20:48,248 --> 00:20:50,230 And they were able to date it to-- 350 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:52,083 What? Like, 2300 bc? Meaning it was created 351 00:20:52,234 --> 00:20:55,160 -By people who lived at caral. -Foerster: Yeah. Exactly. 352 00:20:55,313 --> 00:20:59,072 It makes caral the oldest radiocarbon-tested 353 00:20:59,092 --> 00:21:01,550 Ceremonial complex in the americas. 354 00:21:07,675 --> 00:21:10,434 It is quite likely that the people of caral 355 00:21:10,511 --> 00:21:12,661 Were in some way connected to the... 356 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,605 Ancient deity called viracocha, which we find in other cultures 357 00:21:14,682 --> 00:21:17,424 In peru and other locations around the world. 358 00:21:17,443 --> 00:21:20,169 So you're referring to the so-called staff god, right? 359 00:21:20,187 --> 00:21:22,171 The guy with the two staffs. 360 00:21:22,189 --> 00:21:23,614 Yeah, very much so. 361 00:21:23,691 --> 00:21:26,175 So the staff god that was found at caral, 362 00:21:26,193 --> 00:21:29,269 I mean, it's really the same guy viracocha, 363 00:21:29,289 --> 00:21:32,348 On the gate of the sun at tiahuanco, right? 364 00:21:32,366 --> 00:21:34,199 Yeah, very similar. I mean, of course, 365 00:21:34,352 --> 00:21:36,702 The, uh, depictions are relatively crude, 366 00:21:36,854 --> 00:21:38,945 But they seem-- it seems to depict 367 00:21:38,965 --> 00:21:44,135 The same kind of deity or ancestor or ancient visitors. 368 00:21:45,546 --> 00:21:49,698 Narrator: While exploring a burial site near caral in 2003, 369 00:21:49,717 --> 00:21:53,978 Archaeologist alvaro ruiz made a remarkable discovery. 370 00:21:55,723 --> 00:21:59,208 One of the artifacts that is uncovered and recovered 371 00:21:59,226 --> 00:22:01,819 In caral-supe is this gourd fragment. 372 00:22:03,472 --> 00:22:06,991 And on this gourd fragment is an image of this-- 373 00:22:07,068 --> 00:22:09,552 What has come to be called a staff god. 374 00:22:09,570 --> 00:22:13,556 So it's this little guy, and he's standing holding 375 00:22:13,574 --> 00:22:17,084 What appears to be a staff in each of his hands. 376 00:22:19,914 --> 00:22:23,841 Narrator: Incredibly, radiocarbon dating of the gourd fragment 377 00:22:23,918 --> 00:22:27,903 Revealed that it is roughly 4,300 years old. 378 00:22:27,905 --> 00:22:30,406 The artifact's extraordinary age 379 00:22:30,408 --> 00:22:32,850 Suggests the deity drawn on it 380 00:22:33,001 --> 00:22:36,261 Was worshipped by the people of caral. 381 00:22:36,414 --> 00:22:39,431 But even more astonishing to archaeologists 382 00:22:39,584 --> 00:22:42,768 Is the fact that the so-called staff god 383 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,254 Bears a striking similarity to a figure 384 00:22:45,272 --> 00:22:49,274 Worshiped by the inca some 3,000 years later. 385 00:22:49,427 --> 00:22:54,263 The staff god was a form of viracocha. 386 00:22:54,281 --> 00:22:57,099 And this is exactly the same figure 387 00:22:57,118 --> 00:22:59,101 That's seen again and again 388 00:22:59,103 --> 00:23:02,438 In pre-columbian art, 389 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,775 At places like tiahuanco on the gateway of the sun, 390 00:23:06,794 --> 00:23:09,536 One of the most important structures 391 00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:12,631 That existed in south america. 392 00:23:12,783 --> 00:23:15,059 There you have exactly the same figure. 393 00:23:54,175 --> 00:23:57,751 Viracocha was the primary deity of the andes 394 00:23:57,770 --> 00:23:59,495 Going back many thousands of years. 395 00:23:59,513 --> 00:24:04,183 He was thought to be the founder of all the ancient sites 396 00:24:04,335 --> 00:24:06,335 We see in peru and bolivia today, 397 00:24:06,353 --> 00:24:08,595 Including tiahuanco, cusco, 398 00:24:08,614 --> 00:24:12,341 Sacsayhuamán, machu picchu and many others. 399 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,678 And he formed them and built them along this alignment 400 00:24:15,696 --> 00:24:17,455 Called the path of viracocha 401 00:24:17,606 --> 00:24:21,200 Which stretches southeast to northwest 402 00:24:21,352 --> 00:24:23,702 Across the whole country. 403 00:24:23,854 --> 00:24:26,947 Beardsley: This must have been, in our estimation, 404 00:24:26,966 --> 00:24:31,451 An important symbol because we see this particular symbol 405 00:24:31,471 --> 00:24:34,546 Being reused and adopted 406 00:24:34,699 --> 00:24:38,200 In other places for several thousand years. 407 00:24:38,202 --> 00:24:41,870 So we see, basically, everything 408 00:24:41,889 --> 00:24:44,148 That becomes civilization, that become the inca, 409 00:24:44,299 --> 00:24:46,650 We see in caral-supe. 410 00:24:48,804 --> 00:24:53,215 It's kind of strange that, uh, the motif 411 00:24:53,234 --> 00:24:56,719 Has remained, which would suggest that that motif 412 00:24:56,737 --> 00:25:00,389 Was incredibly important to the local populations. 413 00:25:00,407 --> 00:25:02,074 Foerster: Well, that's a good point because 414 00:25:02,226 --> 00:25:04,150 That, again, shows the connection between 415 00:25:04,170 --> 00:25:07,396 The same kind of deity or ancestor 416 00:25:07,398 --> 00:25:10,674 We see at tiahuanco or pumapunku 417 00:25:10,751 --> 00:25:13,068 Or in cusco itself, 418 00:25:13,087 --> 00:25:15,571 -Which is pretty incredible. -That's pretty amazing. 419 00:25:15,589 --> 00:25:17,406 You know, that-- I mean, that there's 420 00:25:17,424 --> 00:25:19,925 Something-- that something has to be said about that. 421 00:25:20,077 --> 00:25:22,911 We, of course, have made the suggestion viracocha 422 00:25:22,930 --> 00:25:26,172 May have been some type of a visitor from another planet 423 00:25:26,192 --> 00:25:29,527 Because also, the gear that he is wearing, 424 00:25:29,678 --> 00:25:31,344 For all intents and purposes, 425 00:25:31,364 --> 00:25:33,013 Looks like a modern-day astronaut. 426 00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:35,348 -Childress: Yeah, true. -Tsoukalos: Well, if that were true, 427 00:25:35,368 --> 00:25:38,427 It would tie in to this whole 428 00:25:38,445 --> 00:25:40,763 Worship of viracocha that can be found 429 00:25:40,781 --> 00:25:43,265 All throughout peru and south america. 430 00:25:43,284 --> 00:25:45,768 -Yeah, that very much seems to be the case. -Tsoukalos: Amazing. 431 00:25:45,786 --> 00:25:48,620 Brien, thank you very much for your time. It was wonderful 432 00:25:48,773 --> 00:25:51,215 To connect with you, even if it's like this, 433 00:25:51,366 --> 00:25:53,458 And I cannot wait to see you again 434 00:25:53,611 --> 00:25:55,386 Face-to-face in person. 435 00:25:55,537 --> 00:25:58,705 That will be a pleasure. Thanks to all three of you gentlemen. 436 00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:02,042 -Tsoukalos: Thank you. -Childress: Thanks, brien. -Okay. Thank you. 437 00:26:02,061 --> 00:26:04,711 And, you know, what a-- see, to me 438 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:06,897 The whole idea that this staff god only exists 439 00:26:07,049 --> 00:26:09,458 In south or central america... No. 440 00:26:09,476 --> 00:26:11,960 -No. -It-- that symbolism 441 00:26:11,979 --> 00:26:14,387 Or that motif exists 442 00:26:14,407 --> 00:26:16,056 -Worldwide. -Childress: Worldwide. 443 00:26:16,075 --> 00:26:18,892 And it's well known in egypt and sumeria, 444 00:26:18,911 --> 00:26:20,469 -Ancient india. -Henry: Right. 445 00:26:20,471 --> 00:26:23,396 Childress: It's interesting, too, how when you look at 446 00:26:23,416 --> 00:26:25,082 The viracocha god 447 00:26:25,159 --> 00:26:28,143 At the-- on the gate of the sun at tiahuanco, 448 00:26:28,145 --> 00:26:30,254 On either side of him 449 00:26:30,405 --> 00:26:33,148 Are these birdmen, birdmen who can fly. 450 00:26:33,167 --> 00:26:35,484 -Tsoukalos: Right. And what... -Childress: Coming to him. 451 00:26:35,502 --> 00:26:39,412 Tsoukalos: And what better symbolism to signify flight 452 00:26:39,432 --> 00:26:42,749 -Than showing people with wings? -Henry: Right. 453 00:26:42,768 --> 00:26:45,828 You know, I mean, we have the same thing in ancient sumeria. 454 00:26:45,846 --> 00:26:47,587 -Mm-hmm. -You know, it is quite possible 455 00:26:47,607 --> 00:26:51,667 That this was symbolism to signify people 456 00:26:51,685 --> 00:26:53,444 Coming from the sky. 457 00:26:54,505 --> 00:26:57,615 Narrator: Curiously, examples of godlike figures 458 00:26:57,691 --> 00:27:00,342 That are depicted as half man and half bird, 459 00:27:00,361 --> 00:27:02,511 Much like the figure of naylamp 460 00:27:02,529 --> 00:27:05,605 That was worshipped by the sican people of northern peru, 461 00:27:05,625 --> 00:27:08,792 Can be found throughout the ancient world 462 00:27:08,944 --> 00:27:12,037 From the anunnaki in mesopotamia 463 00:27:12,189 --> 00:27:15,466 To the hindu god garuda in india, 464 00:27:15,617 --> 00:27:18,360 The tengu in japan, 465 00:27:18,362 --> 00:27:21,196 The birdmen of easter island, 466 00:27:21,215 --> 00:27:24,032 And the kachinas revered by numerous tribes 467 00:27:24,051 --> 00:27:26,201 In north america. 468 00:27:26,220 --> 00:27:31,482 There is even a 44,000-year-old cave painting in indonesia 469 00:27:31,558 --> 00:27:33,484 That archaeologists have determined 470 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,820 To be a humanlike figure with a bird's head. 471 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,216 We also have the local legends, 472 00:27:41,235 --> 00:27:45,570 And they're very clear in saying that viracocha came 473 00:27:45,723 --> 00:27:48,390 -And gave instructions, so... -Henry: Right. 474 00:27:48,409 --> 00:27:50,501 -To-to create civilization. -Tsoukalos: Yes. 475 00:27:50,652 --> 00:27:54,246 -To create these buildings. All these giant pyramids. -Right. 476 00:27:54,398 --> 00:27:55,989 Tsoukalos: According to the legends, 477 00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:58,175 The knowledge of building these things 478 00:27:58,326 --> 00:28:02,471 Was given by the so-called gods from the stars. 479 00:28:09,263 --> 00:28:12,356 This has been our argument all along. 480 00:28:12,433 --> 00:28:14,583 That our origin of any of our ancient civilizations 481 00:28:14,601 --> 00:28:16,509 Dates much further back 482 00:28:16,529 --> 00:28:19,697 Into our distant past than what we're being told. 483 00:28:19,773 --> 00:28:22,182 And that these civilizations all over the world 484 00:28:22,201 --> 00:28:25,093 -Are more connected, but archaeologists were saying -right. 485 00:28:25,112 --> 00:28:26,778 -They had no contact. -Henry: Right. 486 00:28:26,931 --> 00:28:28,931 But now in south america they're proving 487 00:28:28,933 --> 00:28:30,374 That's completely wrong, 488 00:28:30,525 --> 00:28:32,935 And all of these cultures in south america 489 00:28:32,953 --> 00:28:36,772 Into the highlands, into the jungle, all along the coast, 490 00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:39,775 They're all connected, and we have all the geoglyphs 491 00:28:39,793 --> 00:28:42,444 -All over south america. -Right. 492 00:28:42,463 --> 00:28:45,113 And, of course, nazca is so famous for its geoglyphs, 493 00:28:45,132 --> 00:28:47,224 But caral has the oldest. 494 00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:52,804 Narrator: The nazca lines present one of peru's greatest mysteries-- 495 00:28:52,957 --> 00:28:56,975 Hundreds of massive designs carved into the desert floor, 496 00:28:57,127 --> 00:29:00,720 Created on a scale to only be understood 497 00:29:00,740 --> 00:29:02,906 From high above the earth. 498 00:29:03,817 --> 00:29:06,744 It is estimated that the earliest of these lines, 499 00:29:06,895 --> 00:29:10,914 Called geoglyphs, were made around 500 bc. 500 00:29:13,827 --> 00:29:17,588 But in the year 2000, while excavating caral, 501 00:29:17,664 --> 00:29:19,590 Archaeologists discovered a geoglyph 502 00:29:19,741 --> 00:29:22,092 That they believe dates to the same period 503 00:29:22,169 --> 00:29:24,836 As the ancient city itself, 504 00:29:24,989 --> 00:29:27,431 Which would make it, by far, the oldest geoglyph 505 00:29:27,508 --> 00:29:30,083 Ever found in peru. 506 00:29:30,102 --> 00:29:33,270 Its shape is nearly impossible to discern 507 00:29:33,347 --> 00:29:36,331 From the ground, but when viewed from the sky, 508 00:29:36,333 --> 00:29:39,943 The profile of a face is clearly recognizable. 509 00:29:41,688 --> 00:29:44,931 The geoglyph face is constructed of stones 510 00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:47,284 Laid out to create the figure itself. 511 00:29:48,362 --> 00:29:51,179 It has its mouth open. 512 00:29:51,181 --> 00:29:53,457 It's looking towards one direction, 513 00:29:53,608 --> 00:29:57,019 And also it has what looks like kind of wavy hair, 514 00:29:57,037 --> 00:29:59,129 Although this could actually be 515 00:29:59,206 --> 00:30:01,799 Blood spurting out of its head. 516 00:30:01,950 --> 00:30:04,709 The caral geoglyph is the oldest known 517 00:30:04,862 --> 00:30:07,029 In peru or bolivia. 518 00:30:07,047 --> 00:30:11,141 It's at least 2,000 years older than nazca, maybe more. 519 00:30:12,052 --> 00:30:15,646 And so it does suggest this was the forerunner 520 00:30:15,797 --> 00:30:19,041 To all the nazca geoglyphs, and this maybe even influenced 521 00:30:19,059 --> 00:30:21,393 The nazca civilization. 522 00:30:21,545 --> 00:30:23,895 So all of this, again, 523 00:30:24,048 --> 00:30:27,658 Seems to suggest a commonality. 524 00:30:27,809 --> 00:30:31,978 What I might call a super complex of civilization, 525 00:30:31,997 --> 00:30:35,666 So not just one civilization in isolation 526 00:30:35,742 --> 00:30:39,061 But a number of related civilizations 527 00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:41,730 That cover a very long period in time 528 00:30:41,748 --> 00:30:45,843 And go back to a very remote period ultimately. 529 00:30:46,846 --> 00:30:49,738 Yeah, you have to wonder about the geoglyph at caral 530 00:30:49,756 --> 00:30:54,242 Because the geoglyphs at nazca are obviously meant to be seen 531 00:30:54,261 --> 00:30:56,669 -From the air by the gods. -Right. Right. 532 00:30:56,689 --> 00:31:00,265 So you would think the geoglyph at caral has the same meaning. 533 00:31:00,417 --> 00:31:02,025 And I've seen, too, where viracocha 534 00:31:02,102 --> 00:31:04,344 Supposedly told the nazca people to make those lines. 535 00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:06,196 That's one of the legends. 536 00:31:06,348 --> 00:31:10,200 I also think maybe this is a type of calling card, 537 00:31:10,277 --> 00:31:12,444 And there are other geoglyphs around the world 538 00:31:12,596 --> 00:31:15,855 That correspond with each other because you have these lines, 539 00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:18,767 These figures, these, you know, things wanting 540 00:31:18,785 --> 00:31:22,771 To communicate with the celestial realm, 541 00:31:22,773 --> 00:31:25,883 And you have to wonder why because 542 00:31:26,034 --> 00:31:29,052 -Coincidence no longer holds water. -Right. 543 00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:35,283 Narrator: When the nazca lines were first discovered in 1927, 544 00:31:35,302 --> 00:31:38,729 They were considered a unique phenomenon. 545 00:31:39,806 --> 00:31:43,291 But in recent years, with the benefit of satellite imagery, 546 00:31:43,293 --> 00:31:45,402 Thousands of ancient geoglyphs 547 00:31:45,479 --> 00:31:48,296 Are being found not just in south america 548 00:31:48,315 --> 00:31:50,132 But all over the world. 549 00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:53,635 In asia, the middle east, 550 00:31:53,637 --> 00:31:57,563 Africa, north america, 551 00:31:57,583 --> 00:32:00,142 And even europe. 552 00:32:00,144 --> 00:32:04,588 The fact of the matter is that we have geoglyphs worldwide. 553 00:32:04,739 --> 00:32:08,333 And so you have to wonder why. 554 00:32:08,485 --> 00:32:11,244 The idea in the ancient astronaut theory 555 00:32:11,263 --> 00:32:12,930 Is fairly simple 556 00:32:13,006 --> 00:32:15,933 And that is that our ancestors, 557 00:32:16,009 --> 00:32:19,269 Regardless of ancient cultures, 558 00:32:19,421 --> 00:32:22,773 They were visited by the same teachers. 559 00:32:25,002 --> 00:32:27,593 There's another famous glyph, uh, farther south 560 00:32:27,613 --> 00:32:31,281 From nazca in northern chile called the atacama giant. 561 00:32:31,433 --> 00:32:35,510 -Tsoukalos: Right. -Childress: And it's actually the largest of all the geoglyphs 562 00:32:35,529 --> 00:32:37,770 In south america, and he too seems 563 00:32:37,790 --> 00:32:41,124 To be holding a staff, and has an animal with him. 564 00:32:41,201 --> 00:32:44,703 -Yeah. He's like this, kind of. -Yeah, like that. 565 00:32:44,855 --> 00:32:47,464 -Henry: Yeah. -Childress: Uh-huh. -Tsoukalos: Right. 566 00:32:47,615 --> 00:32:57,365 Childress: Perhaps he's also a... A depiction of viracocha. 567 00:32:57,384 --> 00:33:00,035 To me, the most important thing about all of this is that 568 00:33:00,037 --> 00:33:02,628 The structures at caral correspond 569 00:33:02,648 --> 00:33:06,541 -With the constellation of the pleiades. -Henry: That's right. 570 00:33:06,543 --> 00:33:07,800 -And so whenever I see stuff like that, it's like, you know, -okay. That's interesting. Yeah. 571 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:10,153 All right, obviously, 572 00:33:10,305 --> 00:33:11,822 Our ancestors were able to observe the stars. 573 00:33:11,973 --> 00:33:15,050 Nobody's ever questioned that or debated that. 574 00:33:15,068 --> 00:33:19,312 The power of observation was huge and important, 575 00:33:19,331 --> 00:33:22,390 -But why pick the pleiades? -Henry: That's right. 576 00:33:22,409 --> 00:33:25,243 They call it "heaven's mirror," is a term; using the expression 577 00:33:25,395 --> 00:33:27,504 "as above, so below," they're trying to create 578 00:33:27,655 --> 00:33:29,798 A physical connection to these places. 579 00:33:31,418 --> 00:33:33,343 Narrator: The excavation of caral 580 00:33:33,495 --> 00:33:37,572 Over the past two and a half decades has produced 581 00:33:37,591 --> 00:33:39,683 A number of archaeological marvels. 582 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,427 But for ancient astronaut theorists, 583 00:33:42,579 --> 00:33:44,079 One of the most significant, 584 00:33:44,097 --> 00:33:46,931 In terms of possibly explaining its origins, 585 00:33:47,084 --> 00:33:50,527 Is its curious and seemingly deliberate design. 586 00:33:50,678 --> 00:33:54,422 Collins: What has been noticed about the layout 587 00:33:54,441 --> 00:33:58,368 Of the different structures and buildings at caral, 588 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,206 Is that they seem to reflect the astronomical positions 589 00:34:03,358 --> 00:34:07,210 Of the star cluster known as the pleiades. 590 00:34:07,362 --> 00:34:11,273 And this seems to be almost beyond coincidence. 591 00:34:12,125 --> 00:34:15,368 Newman: It's almost like a star mirror. 592 00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:19,038 We have the pleiades in the sky, and it mirrors on earth. 593 00:34:19,058 --> 00:34:20,448 It looks just like caral. 594 00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:25,062 The main pyramid would be the central star alcyone, 595 00:34:25,138 --> 00:34:27,789 And all the other structures in the complex 596 00:34:27,808 --> 00:34:30,216 Match all the other stars in the pleiades. 597 00:34:30,235 --> 00:34:33,628 So there's-there's a real kind of theory that's come forward 598 00:34:33,647 --> 00:34:37,532 That they were trying to map the stars onto the earth. 599 00:34:39,653 --> 00:34:41,986 Narrator: For ancient astronaut theorists, 600 00:34:42,139 --> 00:34:45,248 The layout of caral is made even more significant 601 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,159 Due to the fact that the pleiades 602 00:34:48,312 --> 00:34:50,736 Was also of central importance to the inca, 603 00:34:50,756 --> 00:34:55,650 Who would emerge in peru more than 3,000 years later. 604 00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:59,930 Foerster: The inca had a very strong connection with the pleiades. 605 00:35:00,081 --> 00:35:03,825 At their ceremonial center called the coricancha in cusco, 606 00:35:03,844 --> 00:35:06,344 The rising of the pleiades corresponded 607 00:35:06,496 --> 00:35:09,831 With the planting of crops in September of each year. 608 00:35:09,850 --> 00:35:13,443 Newman: There's even a real inca tradition 609 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,613 Of the ancestors coming from the pleiades. 610 00:35:16,764 --> 00:35:19,674 So we have to question: Did they actually come from pleiades? 611 00:35:19,693 --> 00:35:23,436 But it does suggest, especially along with the viracocha figure 612 00:35:23,455 --> 00:35:25,271 That was found there, 613 00:35:25,290 --> 00:35:27,532 That much of the inca tradition, 614 00:35:27,684 --> 00:35:30,276 The technology and sophistication 615 00:35:30,295 --> 00:35:33,688 May have come from the caral-supe civilization. 616 00:35:34,708 --> 00:35:39,861 Narrator: Could caral really have been designed to mirror the pleiades? 617 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,140 Curiously, it is only the latest in a long line 618 00:35:43,216 --> 00:35:45,533 Of ancient sites that have been found 619 00:35:45,552 --> 00:35:47,144 To mirror the star cluster, 620 00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:50,647 Such as the winterbourne stoke barrow in England, 621 00:35:50,724 --> 00:35:54,818 The nuragic structures on the island of sardinia, 622 00:35:54,969 --> 00:35:57,320 And chaco canyon in new mexico 623 00:35:57,472 --> 00:35:59,489 To name just a few. 624 00:36:01,067 --> 00:36:04,719 Henry: The seven pyramids of tikal are an example. 625 00:36:04,721 --> 00:36:08,147 The pyramids of abusir in egypt is another example. 626 00:36:08,983 --> 00:36:11,651 The tomb complex of the hongwu emperor, 627 00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:13,895 The founder of the ming dynasty, 628 00:36:13,914 --> 00:36:16,339 It mirrors the pattern of the pleiades. 629 00:36:16,491 --> 00:36:19,401 It's almost as if these ancient cultures are signaling to us 630 00:36:19,419 --> 00:36:22,420 Or leaving a trail for us to follow that says, 631 00:36:22,572 --> 00:36:24,739 "this is where our gods came from." 632 00:36:24,758 --> 00:36:27,909 Or, "this is where humans came from, or the place 633 00:36:27,928 --> 00:36:32,263 That we're in fact trying to ultimately travel or return to." 634 00:36:32,416 --> 00:36:34,766 The hawaiians say their royal ancestors 635 00:36:34,918 --> 00:36:36,509 Came from the pleiades. 636 00:36:36,528 --> 00:36:39,587 The cherokee in east tennessee say the same thing. 637 00:36:39,606 --> 00:36:42,090 So divergent cultures are saying exactly the same thing, 638 00:36:42,108 --> 00:36:44,092 And there's always the message, 639 00:36:44,110 --> 00:36:47,370 "we were visited by beings who came from this star system." 640 00:36:47,447 --> 00:36:49,355 You have to wonder why. 641 00:36:49,374 --> 00:36:51,599 In this case, the pleiades, to me 642 00:36:51,618 --> 00:36:55,787 Suggests that someone wanted to leave behind a message showing 643 00:36:55,939 --> 00:36:57,939 -Where they came from. -Exactly. 644 00:36:57,958 --> 00:37:00,032 Tsoukalos: I think this is fascinating because 645 00:37:00,052 --> 00:37:01,776 It's basically a calling card. 646 00:37:01,795 --> 00:37:03,611 We're gonna go all around the planet. 647 00:37:03,630 --> 00:37:04,870 We're gonna build similar structures. 648 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:06,890 You're gonna see our calling card, 649 00:37:06,967 --> 00:37:08,783 And it always wants you to remember the pleiades. 650 00:37:08,802 --> 00:37:10,227 I completely agree with you, 651 00:37:10,303 --> 00:37:13,230 And, you know, the fact-- look, if there was only 652 00:37:13,381 --> 00:37:16,124 -Caral worldwide that had this thing, -right. 653 00:37:16,142 --> 00:37:19,069 Then fine, there's no argument. 654 00:37:19,145 --> 00:37:21,738 But the fact that there are dozens of examples 655 00:37:21,815 --> 00:37:23,740 Like that in ancient times, 656 00:37:23,891 --> 00:37:25,492 That is the point. 657 00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:36,144 You know, this whole excavation of caral has put 658 00:37:36,162 --> 00:37:38,146 The entire region into a new light, 659 00:37:38,164 --> 00:37:39,923 And if you think about it, 660 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,259 This excavation has only just begun, 661 00:37:42,335 --> 00:37:44,261 So who knows what we'll discover in the future 662 00:37:44,337 --> 00:37:45,762 And what other keys we'll find. 663 00:37:45,913 --> 00:37:49,081 Childress: So are there amazing discoveries 664 00:37:49,101 --> 00:37:52,160 Still to be found in south america? There may well be. 665 00:37:52,162 --> 00:37:55,272 I absolutely think so because 666 00:37:55,348 --> 00:37:59,943 There are vast swathes of areas in south america 667 00:38:00,020 --> 00:38:02,504 Where, you know, who knows 668 00:38:02,522 --> 00:38:05,507 What we'll find in the future because there's nobody there. 669 00:38:06,285 --> 00:38:09,694 Narrator: In 2019, archaeologists uncovered 670 00:38:09,846 --> 00:38:12,956 An ancient settlement in the country of bolivia, 671 00:38:13,033 --> 00:38:15,625 Just south of peru, that dates back 672 00:38:15,702 --> 00:38:18,962 An astonishing 10,600 years. 673 00:38:19,856 --> 00:38:21,873 While excavation has not revealed 674 00:38:22,025 --> 00:38:24,301 A sophisticated city like caral, 675 00:38:24,377 --> 00:38:26,861 Experts believe that it is just one 676 00:38:26,863 --> 00:38:29,030 Of many ancient sites still left 677 00:38:29,049 --> 00:38:31,549 To be uncovered in south america. 678 00:38:31,701 --> 00:38:35,127 And that it may only be a matter of time 679 00:38:35,147 --> 00:38:38,815 Before we are forced to rewrite history once again. 680 00:39:16,429 --> 00:39:18,521 One has to wonder if one day 681 00:39:18,598 --> 00:39:21,024 Archaeology will agree with us. 682 00:39:21,175 --> 00:39:25,344 And I think that this is the direction we're actually going 683 00:39:25,364 --> 00:39:28,013 Because they've always said, "oh, you know, 684 00:39:28,033 --> 00:39:31,426 Everything is established, we kind of know everything." 685 00:39:31,428 --> 00:39:35,538 And the truth of the matter is that they don't, and caral 686 00:39:35,615 --> 00:39:39,267 -Has proven this because when you look at these pyramids -henry: Exactly. 687 00:39:39,269 --> 00:39:42,045 In different regions of the world, 688 00:39:42,196 --> 00:39:44,288 They correspond with each other. 689 00:39:44,441 --> 00:39:47,384 But the depiction of this staff god, one could argue, 690 00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:50,202 "oh, you know, this is just a deity holding a staff," 691 00:39:50,222 --> 00:39:53,038 Or whatever, but the fact that worldwide-- 692 00:39:53,058 --> 00:39:56,059 Not just in tiwanaku, not just in caral-- 693 00:39:56,136 --> 00:40:00,455 We have this motif of this being holding two staffs. 694 00:40:00,457 --> 00:40:02,957 -Right. Right. -That is important. 695 00:40:02,976 --> 00:40:04,792 The message is consistent 696 00:40:04,811 --> 00:40:07,962 That extraterrestrials were not only intervening but they were 697 00:40:07,964 --> 00:40:10,222 -Helping to advance us. -Well, gentlemen, 698 00:40:10,242 --> 00:40:12,742 This has been a fascinating conversation, 699 00:40:12,894 --> 00:40:15,136 And you know, this is what's so great about peru 700 00:40:15,138 --> 00:40:16,729 And that whole region because 701 00:40:16,748 --> 00:40:19,916 It continues to give us new pieces of information. 702 00:40:20,067 --> 00:40:23,736 Look, there can be so much more to discover, and, no doubt, 703 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:25,813 It will shock us 704 00:40:25,832 --> 00:40:28,091 Even more than what we found at-at caral. 705 00:40:28,242 --> 00:40:32,595 We're gonna find something irrefutable very soon, I think. 706 00:40:32,672 --> 00:40:34,431 -It's gonna change everything. -Tsoukalos: Right. 707 00:40:34,507 --> 00:40:37,175 And I really think that, you know, the more 708 00:40:37,327 --> 00:40:39,827 Archaeological evidence we find 709 00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:42,664 That is connected to the stars 710 00:40:42,666 --> 00:40:44,849 With a combination of stories 711 00:40:45,001 --> 00:40:47,502 Of gods that once were here, 712 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,281 It'll only be a matter of time where even 713 00:40:51,357 --> 00:40:55,118 The most dismissive archaeologists will have to say, 714 00:40:55,269 --> 00:41:00,531 "man. Maybe these guys sitting at this table were right." 715 00:41:00,684 --> 00:41:01,849 Exactly. 716 00:41:01,851 --> 00:41:03,460 Captioning provided by a+e networks