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Narrator:
Millions of people
around the world
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believe we have been visited
in the past
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by extraterrestrial beings.
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What if it were true?
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For over a decade,
the hit tv series ancient aliens
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has examined the profound
and highly controversial theory
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that extraterrestrials came
to earth thousands of years ago
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and quite possibly never left.
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Now, on a special
two-hour ancient aliens event...
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William shatner:
I think it's utterly,
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utterly fascinating.
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Narrator:
...William shatner
will boldly go
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where he has never gone before,
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talking to scientists,
spiritual leaders,
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and, of course,
ancient astronaut theorists
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in an attempt
to answer the question:
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Could it be that earth
has been visited
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by extraterrestrials?
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Shatner:
Convincing me
about ancient aliens
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is the first step
to convincing me
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about the existence
of a higher power.
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So, convince me.
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Hello, I'm william shatner.
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And we have around here
this roundtable
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of experts
in esoteric knowledge,
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practical knowledge,
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but also people
who are equally curious
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about aliens.
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I love the idea
that we've been visited,
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we have been, we will be,
we are, by aliens,
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but I have my doubts.
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I want to be convinced
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of what you guys know
and what you guys have done
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for a decade and more
on ancient aliens.
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So, I throw it open.
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You.
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-(laughter)
-giorgio.
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There are ancient texts
and oral traditions
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that have been handed down
for thousands of years.
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And pretty much,
they all begin in the same way,
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that a long, long time ago,
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someone taught us how to build
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the ancient structures,
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how to figure out mathematics
and agriculture
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and all those different things.
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The ancient astronaut theory
suggests that at some point,
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we've had teachers.
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And they have far more
advanced technology
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that our ancestors
thought was divine or magic.
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Narrator:
Ancient astronaut theory
challenges
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humankind's most established
understandings of history,
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archaeology, science
and religion.
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Proponents suggest
that the truth
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behind the very origins
of the human race
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is far different
and far more profound
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than what we've been taught.
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Tsoukalos:
Ancient cultures have
these very detailed stories
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of the so-called gods,
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and described someone
descending from the sky.
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We have these stories worldwide.
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And so, the ancient astronaut
theory suggests
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that these gods were
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flesh-and-blood
extraterrestrials
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whom our ancestors
misinterpreted as divine
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only because they
descended from the sky.
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All civilizations talk about
beings coming from the sky
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to assist humankind
in development.
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They taught astrology,
astronomy,
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how to make offensive
and defensive weapons.
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Childress:
And these traditions
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-are all over the world.
-Mm-hmm.
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And what they say is,
there were these avatars.
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Like osiris, like viracocha,
coming from the sky.
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Their mission was
to bring civilization to man
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and to teach them medicine,
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-arts, metallurgy...
-Yes.
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...How to build things,
construction, architecture.
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Everything that we know.
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Well, let me ask you a question
about legends, then.
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'cause this is all legendary.
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Legends are, uh, verbal.
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Henry:
They're oral traditions.
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-They're oral traditions.
-The entire... Yeah.
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And if I told you a joke,
the whole joke
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would be different when it got
to the other end of the table.
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-Sure.
-Legends are oral traditions
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told around a campfire
that change.
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-Well...
-But not by ordinary people.
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By priests and people
trained with memory skills...
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...When you're dealing
with aborigine peoples,
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oral traditions were actually
very rigidly passed on
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from generation to generation.
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Shatner:
Okay, I'm good with that.
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But all of you spent a lifetime
studying evidence
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that ancient aliens came here,
are here, were here.
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I need you to explain to me
the timeline.
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Did erich von daniken
start it all,
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or was-was he the...
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-He popularized it.
-Childress: Yeah,
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and ancient aliens
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is-is continuing that today.
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Narrator:
In 1968,
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swiss author erich von daniken
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published what would
become the seminal book
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for the ancient astronaut
theory, chariots of the gods?
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The highly controversial text
posed the question,
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did aliens come to earth
centuries ago?
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It caused an instant sensation,
and two years later,
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a feature-length documentary
based on von daniken's book
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was so highly regarded
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that it was nominated
for an academy award.
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Chariots of the gods? Was
one of the most impactful
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and most intriguing publications
in the modern history.
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The questions made people
seek an answer.
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Chariots of the gods? Led
to a fundamental rethink
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about our history, our origins
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and indeed our place
in the cosmos.
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Michael dennin:
It helped motivate and push
science a little bit
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to think
about things differently.
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Now, the other feature,
I think, that's interesting is
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in this space in the
intersection between religion,
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science and other ways
of thinking about the world,
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you added a new piece
in the new dynamic.
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When I was ten years old, my dad
read erich von daniken's book
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and gave it to me and said,
"read this, son,
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it'll open your mind."
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so, that led me
to be a scientist,
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to find out, "well, I want
to know what-what this
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really is saying."
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and if these things
actually did happen,
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what can we learn from it
that we could use today
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to make our lives better today?
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Yeah.
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I think we can have
him join on a zoom call.
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Shatner:
Let's get erich von daniken,
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father of the ancient alien
theory, on screen.
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There he is.
Erich von daniken, how are you?
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-Childress: Hi, erich.
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Hi. Hi.
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Erich, tell me what
the ancient alien theory is.
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I spent six years
in a catholic boarding school
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led by jesuits in switzerland.
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And there we had to translate
parts of the bible
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from latin to greek
and from greek to german.
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And I was a deep,
absolute deep believer in god.
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By the way, I still,
as an old man,
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I still am a believer in god.
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But god, for me, as a boy,
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For example, god does not need
a vehicle in which
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to move from point a to point b.
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God is all over.
Our god is timeless.
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Now, while making
these translations,
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I came together
with the god
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who had vehicles,
he was moving around.
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Uh, written by the prophet
of ezekiel,
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by moses and others.
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So, I simply had doubts
in my own catholic education,
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and I discovered
the book of enoch.
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Talk to us about enoch.
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Enoch is mentioned in the bible
very, very, uh, short.
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In the beginning, you learn
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he was the seventh patriarch
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before the great flood.
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He was the first human
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with his body into the sky.
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Narrator:
Enoch is one
of the earliest patriarchs
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mentioned in the hebrew bible.
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He was the great-grandfather
of noah,
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the man credited with building
the ark that saved humankind
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and two of every animal
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But where the hebrew bible
only mentions enoch briefly,
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his detailed story is told
through more than 100 chapters
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in a book that bears his name.
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The book of enoch can still
be found in the bible
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used by the ethiopian
orthodox church.
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And when archaeologists
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the dead sea scrolls in 1947,
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they found
that 11 different manuscripts
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of the book of enoch
had been preserved,
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indicating that it was
considered a work
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of vital importance.
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Enoch was an incredibly
popular book, uh,
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in the time leading up to
the formation of christianity.
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In the book,
the character of enoch,
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it was said, he walked with god
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But the tradition grew
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In fact, the tradition has
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that he becomes
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He is the only one in heaven
allowed to sit,
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you know, along with god.
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And he actually writes
these things down
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and he reveals information
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Narrator:
One curious passage
from the book of enoch
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tells the story of two angels
who visit enoch
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and take him up to heaven
in what is described
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as a fiery chariot.
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Von daniken:
It's fascinating because enoch
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speaks in the first person.
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The "I" version.
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"I did. I heard. I learned."
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now, enoch has no language
of technology.
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He doesn't know what a spaceship
is or a mother spaceship.
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He says, "we were
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"I saw the round face,
the round face of the earth.
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"and up there was something
like gigantic diamonds.
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Doors opened
and doors closed automatically."
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he was in space
in a mother spaceship.
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And finally, he stands before
the throne of the almighty god.
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But this is all nonsense.
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If we really would have to do
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god would never have stand up
from his throne,
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take a few steps to enoch,
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and shake his hand
and welcome him.
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Tsoukalos: Our ancestors
simply didn't understand
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that when they went to that
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that they actually went,
to put it in a simple term,
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to a spaceship,
to a space station
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that is told in ancient texts
that were orbiting the earth.
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Von daniken:
And the bible is full of it.
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And not only the bible.
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I know many, many myths,
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legends of this planet,
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and all came to the same thing.
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It was some gods
who created humans
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but always according
their own image.
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We are the copy.
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We are the offsprings
of extraterrestrials.
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And now you arrive
in the legend of adam and eve
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and the so-called
"god created humans
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according their own image."
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shatner:
And how do you account
for archaeological evidence
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that shows the evolution,
uh, neanderthals, cro-magnon?
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Von daniken:
That's all correct.
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I fully agree
with-with archaeology,
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with the theory of evolution,
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except, for our branch,
there was
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an artificial mutation made
by the extraterrestrials.
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And you can really compare it.
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I mean,
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all our family brothers
and sisters--
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the apes, the gorillas,
the chimpanzees--
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they still exist.
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We are still of the same family.
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But they have not
created intelligence,
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language, information.
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Only we.
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Why only we,
out of the same family tree?
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Because we are the product
of an artificial mutation.
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Henry: What he's saying
is our intelligence
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is far greater
than the chimpanzee and gorilla.
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We now know why.
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We have an activated neocortex,
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which is the basis
for all human civilization.
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Narrator:
The neocortex
of the human brain
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is the region responsible
for language,
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logical reasoning
and conscious thought.
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Many scientists believe
the activation of the neocortex
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is what makes humans different
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from all other
earthly creatures.
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The neocortex is kind of
one layer of our cortex,
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um, that is fairly unique
to homo sapiens.
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And as far as we can tell,
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that's the area where activity
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is occurring directly related,
particularly, to consciousness,
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but probably also
some of our other senses
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in the way they interact.
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It is probably the part
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of the brain, because of that,
that most sets us apart
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from other primates.
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Henry:
There was a genetic alteration.
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The national institute
of health,
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in their own publication, says
this is not a natural fusion
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of chromosome 2
that activated our neocortex.
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Shatner:
So, are you saying
that the neocortex
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was activated
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-by ancient aliens?
-Yes.
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Von daniken:
Just a small comment.
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I'm a specialist
in the old writings,
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and practically every old
writing says the same thing.
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Some gods created humans.
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Now, is this just imagination?
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Worldwide, worldwide, I mean,
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the sumerians
or the biblical translation.
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Or the maya in central america
or plato in greek.
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Why should they all
come to the same lies,
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the gods created human
according their own image?
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Erich, in your opinion, for you,
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what is your top example
for a physical representation
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of the ancient astronaut theory?
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Well, th-there are many.
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One of them which everyone can
watch every year.
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Just go down to mexico,
go to the city of chichen itza.
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There is a big pyramid
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laid out in a special way.
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Narrator:
The great pyramid of el castillo
in chichen itza
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was built by the maya
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sometime between the 9th
and 12th centuries ad.
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It served as a temple
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to the feathered
serpent god kukulkan
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and was built to reenact
his descent to earth
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through the manipulation
of light and shadow.
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Jon c. Lohse:
The castillo
is a stepped pyramid
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with some
outward radiating staircases.
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And these staircases have
big, high balustrades on them.
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And on the autumn
and the spring equinox,
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the sun casts a shadow
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across the corner
of this stepped pyramid,
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and you see the shadows
of the steps
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on the staircase balustrade.
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Well, at the base
of the balustrade
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are these big,
carved snakeheads.
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And, so,
the entire image is created
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of an enormous coiled serpent
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that begins to descend
from this building
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at this important sunrise event.
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Von daniken:
This message is clear.
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You see god kukulkan
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coming down the step
of the pyramid
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in form of triangles of light
and shadow, light and shadow.
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Erich, why couldn't these people
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who lived by the weather
and the sun--
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when to plant their crops,
when to harvest--
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why wouldn't they divine
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through observation that this
was the moment to plant?
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Why does it have to prove
that an ancient alien gave them
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-the knowledge?
-Well, because they say it.
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They say it in their writings,
in their mythology.
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They say, "we have received
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-our astronomical knowledge
from the gods."
-shatner: I see.
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Von daniken:
The first writers of the maya
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wrote down
in their holy writings
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that a god
with the name of kukulkan,
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which they represented
as a snake with feathers,
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descended to them
and give them their knowledge.
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It's their idea,
not erich von daniken's.
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Why have our ancestors worldwide
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created
the most gigantic temples
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or pyramids? Why?
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The answer is,
all over the world, the same:
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For the gods.
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The so-called gods were teacher.
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They give them information.
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And it's the people
who have written down this.
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Shatner:
The-the basic question
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that I want to have answers to,
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and-and we're touching
on the edges of it,
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but-but it seems like a...
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It's-it's metaphysical.
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I can't quite reach it.
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Why would a civilization
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all these billions
of light-years away
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come here and leave?
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Or, if they're here,
why aren't they displayed?
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Well, I-I don't know
about the present.
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But I'm a specialist
in the past, and in the past,
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they wanted
to multiply intelligence.
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These extraterrestrials
change our line of evolution
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simply because
they wanted to multiply
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intelligence in the universe.
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We are simply too arrogant
to accept this.
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We want to be the greatest.
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We should become
a little more humble
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and learn
we are not the greatest.
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Erich von daniken,
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uh, what a pleasure it is
to speak to you.
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We appreciate you being here,
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erich, and a pleasure
to have talked to you.
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Thank you so much.
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-Thank you very much, too.
-Shatner: Um,
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talk to me
about the physical evidence
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of ancient aliens.
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There are many areas
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of the world,
all over the world,
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where gigantic
megalithic structures exist
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that people point at and say,
"how did that get there?"
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the crazy part: A lot
of the architectural engineering
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used to build some of these
large megalithic structures
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is technology
that we do not understand today.
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And these temples are aligned
to specific star systems.
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Why do you do that unless
you're trying to get there
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or call people in?
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-That's
the extraterrestrial connection.
-Well, again,
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the-the whole idea
of the pondering the stars.
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They had nothing to do
but lie on their back
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and say,
"I see a thing here in the sky."
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-tzadok: Nothing to do?
-But, see, the ancient...
-What?
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-Nothing to do?
-Well, look, well...
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Just building pyramids.
All these slaves.
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-Nothing to do.
-Yeah, pyramids
we can't build today.
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Shatner:
No, I'm talking about a guy
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with a beard lying on his back
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looking at the stars and saying,
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-"geez, I see the same..."
-tzadok: Why not a woman?
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Judging-judging from
the archaeological evidence,
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I think they were very busy
doing other things.
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Henry:
When you're in egypt and you are
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in the osirion, a temple
at a place called abydos,
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you're in a temple
that now we think
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is at least 10,000 years old.
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And it's composed
of red granite blocks
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that weigh, on average,
about 50 tons.
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And it's the perfection,
the precision.
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It's an intelligence.
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It's ancient astronaut evidence.
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Narrator:
The osirion in abydos
is just one
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of the many ancient megalithic
structures that can be found
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all over the world,
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built with stone blocks
that weigh
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tens and even hundreds of tons.
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Stonehenge in England.
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The ancient temples of malta.
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Baalbek in lebanon.
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Nan madol in micronesia.
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Sacsayhuamán in peru.
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No historical record
has ever been found
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to explain how these
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and dozens of other
megalithic structures were made.
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By the way, where were
those megalithic blocks mined?
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Was it down in the valley,
or was it up on the mountain?
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That's also a great question.
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It's often...
It's often many miles away.
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-At ollantaytambo...
-Tsoukalos: Yes.
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Over mountains, over valleys.
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-Yeah, up-up high. Yeah.
-Over bodies of water.
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Childress:
They brought
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giant blocks that are weighing
60, 80 tons at ollantaytambo.
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They actually brought them
down a mountain,
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up over a river,
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across a river, which they
haven't been able to explain.
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-Tsoukalos: 60-ton blocks.
-Yeah, and then up...
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And there is a ramp there,
actually, but then they...
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They move it up
to the very top of a cliff.
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(wind whistling)
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narrator:
The cliff where the ancient site
of ollantaytambo was built
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is located at an elevation
of over 9,000 feet
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in the andes mountains of peru.
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Historians date it to 1440 ad
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and credit the inca
with its construction.
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But some scholars say
ollantaytambo was built
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upon the ruins
of a far older city,
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one whose origins
remain unknown.
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The gate behind me is called
the gateway of the gods,
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and it was built
several thousand years
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before the inca arrived here.
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It was built by a culture
we call the urin pacha.
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We give them that name
because we have no idea
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who they were,
where they came from
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or where they went.
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It's clearly evident that the
earliest parts of ollantaytambo
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dates to at least
12,000 years old, if not older.
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Narrator:
But how could people living
thousands of years ago
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have produced
such astonishing stonework,
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with massive,
interlocking blocks
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precisely fitted together?
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Or have moved and set
colossal stones of granite,
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each weighing more than 50 tons?
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Bill birnes:
What you can't explain
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is the moving of 50-ton stones
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up the sheer face of a cliff
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to create the walls
of the fortress.
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That, in and of itself,
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required more than cranes,
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more than lifts,
more than scaffolds.
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And part of the problem there
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is that the mainstream
archaeologists are saying:
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Okay, well, you got
a 60- or 80-ton block
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of red granite--
all you have to do is
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just get enough people,
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and they supposedly didn't have
the wheel or anything,
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but you had... They propose that
they're all wearing harnesses,
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and you get, say, 200 people,
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-yeah? Okay.
-And they're all, you know,
to drag this block, okay?
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-What's wrong with that?
-Well, there's a...
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There's nothing really wrong
with it at first,
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because you
can mathematically say,
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okay, this block weighs 60 tons,
so we... This is how many people
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we need to drag it.
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But they're taking it up
onto a narrow cliff, okay?
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-There's no place
for those 200 people to stand.
-Shatner: Wow.
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And they have to bring it
around corners.
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So how do mainstream
archaeologists explain it?
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-Henry: They don't.
-(overlapping chatter)
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no, no, no, no.
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'cause they're archaeologists.
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They don't...
They're not engineers.
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But when you bring in
an engineer and you say,
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"okay, now,
how are you gonna do this?"
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and they don't have an answer.
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They... They say,
"I don't know."
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(overlapping chatter)
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they're the real experts.
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I would love to have
an engineer here to...
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Taylor:
I have three different
engineering degrees.
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-You-you've been in that room?
-Here. We've got one right here.
495
00:23:11,432 --> 00:23:13,391
-I have three different
engineering degrees.
-(laughter)
496
00:23:13,476 --> 00:23:15,559
you're just the man
I want to talk to.
497
00:23:15,645 --> 00:23:18,062
(laughter)
498
00:23:18,106 --> 00:23:19,480
but-but are you prejudiced?
499
00:23:19,565 --> 00:23:21,107
Uh, toward what?
500
00:23:21,192 --> 00:23:23,401
Towards, uh, ancient aliens.
501
00:23:23,444 --> 00:23:25,653
No. In fact, I was skeptical
502
00:23:25,738 --> 00:23:28,531
of a lot of the ideas
that's being thrown out,
503
00:23:28,616 --> 00:23:32,243
but I always thought that there
was something more to the story.
504
00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:34,412
I want to know,
could we do this?
505
00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:37,206
We have places where...
Where there are, like,
506
00:23:37,291 --> 00:23:38,749
laser-cut rocks
507
00:23:38,835 --> 00:23:42,086
that we don't even have the
tools that can do this today.
508
00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:44,004
You take a master toolmaker--
my father is one.
509
00:23:44,090 --> 00:23:45,548
He's looked at some
of these things and said,
510
00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:46,882
"I can see the toolmarks.
511
00:23:46,968 --> 00:23:50,052
Somebody used a tool machine
to cut this thing."
512
00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:51,720
but that was 10,000 years ago.
513
00:23:51,806 --> 00:23:53,055
Henry:
Before the wheel.
514
00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:55,474
So what we're saying is
there was civilization
515
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,393
prior to what we think
was civilization.
516
00:23:57,478 --> 00:24:00,312
Tsoukalos:
In the early 1990s,
dr. Robert schoch
517
00:24:00,398 --> 00:24:03,149
proposed that,
according to his research,
518
00:24:03,234 --> 00:24:05,943
the sphinx
on the great giza plateau
519
00:24:06,028 --> 00:24:09,447
-is at least 12,000 years old,
-mm-hmm.
520
00:24:09,490 --> 00:24:12,575
Because it shows
geological features
521
00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:15,453
that indicate water marks
522
00:24:15,496 --> 00:24:17,496
of a long-ago flood.
523
00:24:17,582 --> 00:24:20,124
Henry:
It was assumed that the erosion
on the sphinx
524
00:24:20,209 --> 00:24:21,667
was caused by wind.
525
00:24:21,711 --> 00:24:23,961
As a geologist, schoch spent
three seconds looking at it,
526
00:24:24,046 --> 00:24:26,046
saying that's not wind,
that's water.
527
00:24:26,132 --> 00:24:28,382
And the only time there was
water like this in egypt
528
00:24:28,468 --> 00:24:31,135
was at the end
of the younger dryas, 10,000 bc.
529
00:24:31,179 --> 00:24:33,762
Mm-hmm.
And so what happened was
530
00:24:33,848 --> 00:24:38,225
that he was ripped apart
by the archaeological community,
531
00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:42,480
because nothing before 10,000 bc
could exist on earth,
532
00:24:42,565 --> 00:24:45,274
because that is what
mainstream archaeology suggests.
533
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,611
And they said, "well,
can you show us anywhere else
534
00:24:48,696 --> 00:24:50,779
-on the planet..."
-but hunter-gatherers were
around 10,000 years ago.
535
00:24:50,865 --> 00:24:52,490
But an archaeological,
like, a structure,
536
00:24:52,575 --> 00:24:54,158
-a monumental structure.
-Uh-huh. Oh, I see.
537
00:24:54,243 --> 00:24:59,705
But in 1993, gobekli tepe
was suddenly discovered,
538
00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:03,292
and mainstream archaeologists
agree that this is
539
00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:05,252
a minimum of 12,000 years old.
540
00:25:05,338 --> 00:25:07,046
Which is the same age
as the... As the sphinx.
541
00:25:07,131 --> 00:25:08,214
Yes.
542
00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:11,175
Narrator:
The ancient stone complex
543
00:25:11,260 --> 00:25:13,469
unearthed
in southeastern turkey--
544
00:25:13,554 --> 00:25:15,846
known as gobekli tepe--
545
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:19,183
contains the world's oldest
known megalithic structures.
546
00:25:19,268 --> 00:25:22,686
With monoliths weighing
up to ten tons
547
00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:24,522
and sophisticated carvings,
548
00:25:24,607 --> 00:25:27,358
experts say that
only an advanced civilization
549
00:25:27,443 --> 00:25:29,235
could have built it.
550
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,196
But according
to mainstream historians,
551
00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:34,740
the world's first
true civilization--
552
00:25:34,825 --> 00:25:37,284
the sumerians-- did not arise
553
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:41,372
until thousands of years
after gobekli tepe was built.
554
00:25:42,542 --> 00:25:46,544
One thing that I've
been working on very intensely
555
00:25:46,587 --> 00:25:50,089
over the last 30-plus years
556
00:25:50,174 --> 00:25:55,135
is the concept that globally,
civilization goes well back
557
00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:57,471
before 5,000 years ago.
558
00:25:58,516 --> 00:26:00,808
This started when I
started pushing back the age
559
00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:05,729
of the sphinx based
on the erosional features
560
00:26:05,773 --> 00:26:08,357
and the geological features
561
00:26:08,401 --> 00:26:10,568
that were incompatible
with the arid conditions
562
00:26:10,653 --> 00:26:12,152
at the present day.
563
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:14,530
Then we had gobekli tepe,
564
00:26:14,615 --> 00:26:16,532
and that site goes back
565
00:26:16,617 --> 00:26:20,536
well over 11,000,
12,000 years ago.
566
00:26:20,621 --> 00:26:23,163
Paul bahn:
Gobekli tepe became
567
00:26:23,249 --> 00:26:24,665
one of the most important
archaeological sites
568
00:26:24,750 --> 00:26:26,041
in the world.
569
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:30,504
These limestone pillars
are up to 18 feet high.
570
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:32,506
They're beautifully dressed
and smoothed.
571
00:26:32,592 --> 00:26:35,426
We've never seen work like that
from that period before.
572
00:26:35,511 --> 00:26:38,762
And the geomagnetic analyses
that have been done
573
00:26:38,806 --> 00:26:40,598
of what's under the surface
574
00:26:40,641 --> 00:26:42,349
seem to indicate that there are
575
00:26:42,435 --> 00:26:45,853
at least 20 major circular
structures in this mound,
576
00:26:45,938 --> 00:26:50,316
and so far they've dug
up to half of them.
577
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,319
But there's still an awful lot
of work to go.
578
00:26:54,155 --> 00:26:56,488
Schoch:
These early sites go back
579
00:26:56,574 --> 00:26:59,283
to the end of the last ice age.
580
00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:03,370
We now know, based on a lot
of geological data,
581
00:27:03,456 --> 00:27:06,790
that there were
incredible climatic changes
582
00:27:06,834 --> 00:27:09,710
at the end of the last ice age.
583
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:14,757
There were well-developed
cultures, I believe,
584
00:27:14,842 --> 00:27:16,675
probably around the world
585
00:27:16,761 --> 00:27:19,637
at this early period.
586
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:24,808
Okay, but when you talk about
something like ancient healing,
587
00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:27,686
and we discover that...
Lister discovers, uh,
588
00:27:27,772 --> 00:27:31,482
bacteria, uh, cleanliness...
589
00:27:31,525 --> 00:27:33,901
Why didn't they know that
4,000 years ago?
590
00:27:33,986 --> 00:27:36,362
Henry:
A key tenet
of ancient astronaut theory
591
00:27:36,447 --> 00:27:39,531
is that we have lost knowledge.
592
00:27:39,617 --> 00:27:41,784
We are a civilization
with amnesia.
593
00:27:41,869 --> 00:27:44,328
We don't know our past.
594
00:27:44,413 --> 00:27:46,163
Wow.
595
00:27:49,085 --> 00:27:51,752
Somebody, uh, explain to me--
596
00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:54,338
and I know a little
but not enough--
597
00:27:54,382 --> 00:27:56,757
about practical knowledge
in ancient times
598
00:27:56,842 --> 00:28:00,177
that, uh, is, um... Unexplained.
599
00:28:00,262 --> 00:28:02,471
A key tenet
of ancient astronaut theory
600
00:28:02,556 --> 00:28:05,599
is that we have lost knowledge.
601
00:28:05,685 --> 00:28:07,935
We are a civilization
with amnesia.
602
00:28:08,020 --> 00:28:10,813
-We don't know our past.
-That's true.
603
00:28:10,856 --> 00:28:12,648
-Carter: Oh, yes.
-Oh, yeah.
-Childress: What traditions say
604
00:28:12,692 --> 00:28:17,528
all over the world is there have
been civilizations before us.
605
00:28:17,613 --> 00:28:19,947
They have risen and fallen.
606
00:28:20,032 --> 00:28:21,448
Taylor:
Don't forget that the planet is
607
00:28:21,534 --> 00:28:23,450
four and a half billion
years old.
608
00:28:23,536 --> 00:28:24,910
-Don't forget that.
-Yeah.
609
00:28:24,995 --> 00:28:26,704
We're... This solar system
has been here
610
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:28,455
for four and a half billion
years.
611
00:28:28,541 --> 00:28:31,208
-Mm-hmm.
-And humanity,
as far as we know,
612
00:28:31,252 --> 00:28:32,793
has only been here
for a few thousand,
613
00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:35,462
-maybe tens of thousands
of years.
-Mm-hmm. Yeah.
614
00:28:35,548 --> 00:28:37,464
So what happened before that?
615
00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:39,466
And we know
from the fossil records
616
00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:41,885
that there were
many mass extinctions.
617
00:28:41,971 --> 00:28:45,305
So who's to say civilizations
don't rise and fall
618
00:28:45,391 --> 00:28:46,807
for over long periods of time?
619
00:28:46,892 --> 00:28:49,977
But the mass extinctions...
We-we... Archaeologists know
620
00:28:50,062 --> 00:28:51,979
what those mass extinctions were
621
00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:53,731
and what was alive at that time
622
00:28:53,816 --> 00:28:55,315
and what almost petered out.
623
00:28:55,401 --> 00:28:57,401
I mean, it-it's...
624
00:28:57,445 --> 00:28:59,027
-There in the earth.
-But there were...
625
00:28:59,113 --> 00:29:01,447
There were civilizations there,
there were, that came and went.
626
00:29:01,532 --> 00:29:03,282
-Well...
-Part of it is,
627
00:29:03,367 --> 00:29:06,744
it's how we look at the past,
and modern archaeologists
628
00:29:06,787 --> 00:29:08,912
are just assuming;
it's an assumption.
629
00:29:08,998 --> 00:29:10,289
Well, they're
from the stone age.
630
00:29:10,374 --> 00:29:11,623
They don't have electricity.
631
00:29:11,709 --> 00:29:13,000
They don't have machines.
632
00:29:13,085 --> 00:29:14,877
They don't have heavy equipment.
633
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,211
(clears throat):
Um, you know,
634
00:29:16,297 --> 00:29:19,423
they don't have power plants
and things like that.
635
00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:21,425
But that may be
completely wrong.
636
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:22,676
-Right.
-The evidence is there
637
00:29:22,762 --> 00:29:24,845
that in ancient times
they had electricity,
638
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:25,929
they had batteries, they had...
639
00:29:26,015 --> 00:29:27,639
-Look at the baghdad battery.
-Yeah.
640
00:29:27,725 --> 00:29:29,057
They had batteries?
641
00:29:30,644 --> 00:29:32,561
Narrator:
In 1938,
642
00:29:32,605 --> 00:29:35,439
the director
of the national museum of iraq
643
00:29:35,524 --> 00:29:38,025
discovered in the archives
terra-cotta pots
644
00:29:38,110 --> 00:29:40,778
and copper cylinders
that may have been used
645
00:29:40,863 --> 00:29:42,780
as galvanic cells.
646
00:29:42,865 --> 00:29:45,824
The nearly 2,000-year-old
devices,
647
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:48,368
called "baghdad batteries,"
648
00:29:48,454 --> 00:29:51,246
are believed to predate the
invention of the cell battery
649
00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:53,791
by more than 1,000 years.
650
00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:56,877
Jason martell:
Usually a baghdad battery
would consist of a clay pot,
651
00:29:56,962 --> 00:29:58,670
and it would have an iron rod
652
00:29:58,756 --> 00:30:01,465
surrounded
by an asphalt stopper.
653
00:30:01,509 --> 00:30:03,967
And you'd pour any type of
weak acidic liquid in there--
654
00:30:04,053 --> 00:30:06,470
wine, grape juice, vinegar--
655
00:30:06,555 --> 00:30:09,264
and with a voltmeter,
you can consistently get
656
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:12,434
about four volts
with something about that large.
657
00:30:13,437 --> 00:30:16,480
Now, all over egypt,
we see large vials,
658
00:30:16,565 --> 00:30:20,400
which could be a representation
of a much larger baghdad battery
659
00:30:20,486 --> 00:30:23,403
being able to generate
a much larger current.
660
00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:26,698
Narrator:
Mainstream scientists agree
661
00:30:26,784 --> 00:30:29,409
that the baghdad battery
is evidence
662
00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:32,371
that ancient people had
the means to create power
663
00:30:32,456 --> 00:30:35,666
and the understanding
of how to apply it.
664
00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:38,001
Might our ancestors
have possessed
665
00:30:38,087 --> 00:30:40,712
other advanced technology?
666
00:30:40,798 --> 00:30:44,675
So, today there is a carving
667
00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:47,094
in egypt, uh,
at the dendera temple,
668
00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:49,638
and it's in a underground crypt.
669
00:30:49,682 --> 00:30:51,849
And it is this depiction
670
00:30:51,892 --> 00:30:53,892
of what looks like--
671
00:30:53,978 --> 00:30:57,354
archaeologists refer to it
as a snake and a lotus flower.
672
00:30:57,398 --> 00:31:00,357
But what's so interesting is
the hieroglyphics
673
00:31:00,442 --> 00:31:02,776
that have been translated
not only say
674
00:31:02,862 --> 00:31:06,363
that what is depicted here
is dangerous
675
00:31:06,407 --> 00:31:09,908
but also it is
the bringer of light.
676
00:31:09,994 --> 00:31:12,369
-And so you...
-Wait a minute.
So the hieroglyphics warn you
677
00:31:12,413 --> 00:31:14,621
but also say
it's the bringer of light.
678
00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:15,706
-Yes.
-So that wants you--
679
00:31:15,749 --> 00:31:17,332
it's both "stay away"
and "come."
680
00:31:17,418 --> 00:31:19,960
-(overlapping chatter)
-well, and the hieroglyphics
show a...
681
00:31:20,045 --> 00:31:22,963
A detailed drawing
of the equipment.
682
00:31:24,425 --> 00:31:27,593
Narrator:
The reliefs that have become
known as the dendera bulbs
683
00:31:27,678 --> 00:31:31,096
are carved into the walls
of a 4,000-year-old temple
684
00:31:31,181 --> 00:31:34,725
dedicated to the egyptian
sky goddess hathor.
685
00:31:35,728 --> 00:31:36,977
Within the temple,
686
00:31:37,062 --> 00:31:40,105
hathor is depicted sailing
in a ship of eternity
687
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:42,649
along the milky way.
688
00:31:42,735 --> 00:31:45,485
Ancient astronaut theorists
suggest
689
00:31:45,571 --> 00:31:47,487
that this is, in fact,
690
00:31:47,573 --> 00:31:50,616
a representation
of an extraterrestrial arriving
691
00:31:50,701 --> 00:31:52,743
in a flying craft
692
00:31:52,786 --> 00:31:55,579
and the dendera bulbs
are a technology
693
00:31:55,664 --> 00:31:57,539
they gave to the egyptians.
694
00:31:59,585 --> 00:32:02,002
The reason why we have proposed
695
00:32:02,087 --> 00:32:05,923
that in dendera we have
depictions of light bulbs
696
00:32:06,008 --> 00:32:10,427
is because you have that cable
coming out of that lotus flower
697
00:32:10,512 --> 00:32:15,390
or the bulb's socket that goes
underneath it to a box.
698
00:32:15,476 --> 00:32:19,102
And the actual bulb rests
699
00:32:19,188 --> 00:32:22,105
on what's called a djed pillar.
700
00:32:22,191 --> 00:32:24,816
And a djed pillar
is always referred to
701
00:32:24,902 --> 00:32:28,904
as something to do
with significant power.
702
00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:31,114
And so the suggestion is
703
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,951
that the extraterrestrials
provided lighting sources
704
00:32:33,994 --> 00:32:39,623
and then that was also put
in stone.
705
00:32:40,501 --> 00:32:43,043
There is a-a theory that sound
706
00:32:43,128 --> 00:32:44,628
could levitate something
707
00:32:44,672 --> 00:32:48,799
and-and that may be the answer
to-to these giant megaliths
708
00:32:48,842 --> 00:32:51,760
that seemed to be too heavy
for even us to-to lift.
709
00:32:51,845 --> 00:32:54,972
-Address that.
-Well, there are so many
of the ancient astronaut legends
710
00:32:55,057 --> 00:32:58,225
-where the big blocks
were levitated in.
-Yeah, there are ancient...
711
00:32:59,728 --> 00:33:03,230
Narrator:
One of the most well-known
ancient stories of levitation
712
00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:06,566
can be found
on chile's easter island,
713
00:33:06,652 --> 00:33:08,151
where standing
along the shoreline
714
00:33:08,195 --> 00:33:12,072
are nearly 900 megalithic
stone statues called moai
715
00:33:12,157 --> 00:33:14,950
that weigh up to 90 tons each.
716
00:33:16,954 --> 00:33:20,956
According to the oral traditions
of the native rapa nui people,
717
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,042
a type of energy known as mana
718
00:33:24,128 --> 00:33:27,587
was used to levitate
the giant sculptures into place.
719
00:33:27,673 --> 00:33:31,717
Curiously, similar stories
can be found in association
720
00:33:31,802 --> 00:33:35,846
with other ancient megalithic
sites all over the world,
721
00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:38,682
like stonehenge in England,
722
00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:41,059
the great pyramid in egypt,
723
00:33:41,145 --> 00:33:44,062
the uxmal pyramid in mexico,
724
00:33:44,148 --> 00:33:46,940
nan madol in micronesia
725
00:33:47,026 --> 00:33:49,609
and puma punku in bolivia.
726
00:33:51,113 --> 00:33:53,488
It would be one thing to me
727
00:33:53,574 --> 00:33:57,492
if this levitation of stones
across an island
728
00:33:57,578 --> 00:34:00,704
would be the only story
or legend worldwide.
729
00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:04,166
But the fact of the matter is
730
00:34:04,209 --> 00:34:06,168
that we have multiple stories
731
00:34:06,253 --> 00:34:10,505
that these stones
somehow were levitated
732
00:34:10,591 --> 00:34:12,966
or flown through the air.
733
00:34:13,761 --> 00:34:15,510
Narrator:
Is it possible
734
00:34:15,554 --> 00:34:17,095
that acoustic technology
735
00:34:17,181 --> 00:34:22,225
could levitate stones weighing
tens and even hundreds of tons?
736
00:34:23,854 --> 00:34:25,896
Uh, my father said when he--
they were testing sh--
737
00:34:25,939 --> 00:34:28,982
uh, shake testing
the saturn v first stage
738
00:34:29,068 --> 00:34:31,818
that they used a thing that
the german scientists created
739
00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:34,738
using wind tunnels
and made a big flute horn.
740
00:34:34,782 --> 00:34:36,782
And it-- they shot it
with acoustic,
741
00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:39,785
uh, energy and they called it
the jericho device--
742
00:34:39,870 --> 00:34:41,995
because it was like
a big jericho horn--
743
00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:45,665
and it would shake the-the stage
and-and mimic launch,
744
00:34:45,751 --> 00:34:47,209
the vibration of a launch.
745
00:34:47,294 --> 00:34:50,087
And he said one day they tuned
it to a particular frequency
746
00:34:50,172 --> 00:34:53,882
and, when it did, that it broke
the bolts that were--
747
00:34:53,967 --> 00:34:57,677
that had this first stage
bored into the concrete,
748
00:34:57,763 --> 00:34:59,971
picked the rocket first stage
up-- it had to weigh tons--
749
00:35:00,057 --> 00:35:01,932
and moved it several meters.
750
00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:03,767
And they were afraid
it was gonna fall over
751
00:35:03,811 --> 00:35:05,060
-and destroy the first stage.
-Wow.
752
00:35:05,145 --> 00:35:07,020
Taylor:
And so that's...
753
00:35:07,106 --> 00:35:08,230
-Yeah, wow.
-And that's part of--
754
00:35:08,315 --> 00:35:10,649
part of the mystique of...
The-the subject,
755
00:35:10,734 --> 00:35:12,943
that sound is mathematical.
756
00:35:13,028 --> 00:35:15,112
Uh, you can draw mathematics
757
00:35:15,197 --> 00:35:18,240
to sound
and maybe find the formula
758
00:35:18,325 --> 00:35:20,700
for the kind of sound you need.
759
00:35:20,786 --> 00:35:22,702
That's so totally fascinating.
760
00:35:22,788 --> 00:35:25,247
And the idea that the stones
were cut like a--
761
00:35:25,332 --> 00:35:28,125
with a machine. Was it your dad
that saw machine cuts on...
762
00:35:28,210 --> 00:35:30,001
-On-on the...
-And several others have.
Several others have seen 'em.
763
00:35:30,087 --> 00:35:32,254
So-so talk to me about that,
764
00:35:32,339 --> 00:35:35,132
because that,
that's less dreaming.
765
00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:39,136
There's a place
in the high andes on a plateau
766
00:35:39,221 --> 00:35:41,012
called puma punku.
767
00:35:41,098 --> 00:35:44,224
It's one of the most magnificent
sites on planet earth.
768
00:35:44,309 --> 00:35:46,810
And there, strewn about,
769
00:35:46,895 --> 00:35:52,023
are these big platforms
made out of red sandstone.
770
00:35:52,109 --> 00:35:53,692
And they're massive,
771
00:35:53,777 --> 00:35:57,154
and some of 'em
are up to 60 tons. 6-0.
772
00:35:57,197 --> 00:36:01,825
But amongst these stones
are also andesite blocks.
773
00:36:01,869 --> 00:36:04,911
There is one rectangular block.
774
00:36:04,997 --> 00:36:06,329
It's about this high.
775
00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:09,708
And on one side,
there is a perfect groove
776
00:36:09,793 --> 00:36:11,334
that is so--
777
00:36:11,420 --> 00:36:13,420
(stammers)
the edges are so perfect,
778
00:36:13,505 --> 00:36:16,131
that if you were to go down
like this with your thumb,
779
00:36:16,216 --> 00:36:17,382
you could cut yourself.
780
00:36:17,467 --> 00:36:19,467
♪ ♪
781
00:36:23,432 --> 00:36:26,308
narrator:
Giorgio tsoukalos
has been studying puma punku
782
00:36:26,393 --> 00:36:28,059
for more than two decades
783
00:36:28,145 --> 00:36:31,188
and has made over a dozen visits
to the ancient site.
784
00:36:31,273 --> 00:36:34,858
This is... It's beautiful.
785
00:36:34,943 --> 00:36:37,444
Narrator:
During one such visit in 2014,
786
00:36:37,529 --> 00:36:39,863
he documented his investigation
787
00:36:39,948 --> 00:36:41,823
of the incredible stonework
788
00:36:41,909 --> 00:36:45,535
found among
the mysterious megalithic ruins.
789
00:36:46,914 --> 00:36:48,705
So, this is--
this is pretty amazing.
790
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:51,833
I mean, check this out. If you
look at this groove right here,
791
00:36:51,919 --> 00:36:55,754
you simply cannot do this
with primitive tools.
792
00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:00,342
And you've got these holes
drilled at an equidistant,
793
00:37:00,427 --> 00:37:04,679
as if it's some type of
a female piece to a male piece.
794
00:37:04,765 --> 00:37:07,807
I mean, these look
like technical components,
795
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:13,855
part of a larger, almost
industrial-type construction.
796
00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:16,858
I've got a little paper clip,
797
00:37:16,944 --> 00:37:19,361
ordinary paper clip,
that I've just unfurled
798
00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:21,988
to see how deep they go.
799
00:37:22,074 --> 00:37:26,952
And they actually go equidistant
all the way down.
800
00:37:27,037 --> 00:37:29,079
I mean, that is something
801
00:37:29,122 --> 00:37:33,250
that cannot be achieved
with-with chicken bones.
802
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:38,171
So, is there any explanation as
to how they carved it? Anything?
803
00:37:38,257 --> 00:37:40,757
So, according
to the local legends
804
00:37:40,801 --> 00:37:43,301
that go back a long, long time,
805
00:37:43,387 --> 00:37:47,764
they say that this was built
by the so-called gods.
806
00:37:47,808 --> 00:37:50,976
Now, whenever I hear stories
about the gods, my ears perk up.
807
00:37:51,061 --> 00:37:54,062
Nobody discusses the question
or asks the question
808
00:37:54,106 --> 00:37:55,772
"who were these gods?"
809
00:37:55,857 --> 00:37:57,232
what are we talking about?
810
00:37:57,317 --> 00:38:02,404
Everything that we call
"advanced" in the ancient days
811
00:38:02,489 --> 00:38:05,865
from which we would ask,
where did this come from?
812
00:38:05,951 --> 00:38:08,326
-Shatner: But...
-Now, you could say
it came from the angels.
813
00:38:08,412 --> 00:38:10,161
-You could say
it came from aliens.
-(overlapping chatter)
814
00:38:10,247 --> 00:38:11,871
here-here's the crazy part.
815
00:38:11,957 --> 00:38:14,249
We could not build the pyramids
today.
816
00:38:14,334 --> 00:38:16,293
We cannot build
the pyramids today.
817
00:38:16,378 --> 00:38:17,544
Why not?
818
00:38:22,301 --> 00:38:24,259
What we're talking about here
at this table
819
00:38:24,344 --> 00:38:26,928
is physical evidence
820
00:38:26,972 --> 00:38:29,306
that ancient aliens, uh,
821
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:31,349
came here, are here, were here.
822
00:38:31,435 --> 00:38:34,352
Talk to me about-- the first one
that comes to mind,
823
00:38:34,438 --> 00:38:36,855
of course, is the, uh, pyramid.
824
00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:39,399
Remember where moses brought
the children of israel out from.
825
00:38:39,484 --> 00:38:40,817
-Egypt.
-Henry: Egypt.
826
00:38:40,861 --> 00:38:42,944
Tzadok:
The torah
827
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:44,237
and the jewish tradition,
828
00:38:44,323 --> 00:38:47,282
which is the foundation
of western tradition,
829
00:38:47,326 --> 00:38:49,701
originally came out of egypt.
830
00:38:49,786 --> 00:38:53,204
-Right.
-All right? In the tradition
that later became the bible,
831
00:38:53,290 --> 00:38:56,499
ideas, beliefs like
the ark of the covenant, they--
832
00:38:56,543 --> 00:38:59,878
these things
were clearly based upon
833
00:38:59,963 --> 00:39:02,339
knowledge that was brought out
of egypt.
834
00:39:02,382 --> 00:39:03,298
Childress:
Erich von daniken
835
00:39:03,383 --> 00:39:04,966
said an interesting thing there,
too,
836
00:39:05,052 --> 00:39:08,887
that the great pyramid of egypt
is not a tomb for the pharaohs,
837
00:39:08,972 --> 00:39:11,139
-uh, but rather a-a repository
-shatner: A-a library.
838
00:39:11,183 --> 00:39:12,140
Of ancient knowledge.
839
00:39:12,184 --> 00:39:14,017
-It's a library.
-Yeah.
840
00:39:16,188 --> 00:39:17,854
Narrator:
Egypt's great pyramid
841
00:39:17,898 --> 00:39:19,814
is perhaps the most familiar
842
00:39:19,858 --> 00:39:24,277
and most mysterious megalithic
structure in all the world.
843
00:39:24,363 --> 00:39:28,239
It is the oldest and largest
of the three pyramids
844
00:39:28,325 --> 00:39:31,159
that stand on the giza plateau.
845
00:39:31,244 --> 00:39:33,953
But exactly how and why
846
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:38,041
the great pyramid was
constructed remains a mystery.
847
00:39:39,878 --> 00:39:41,920
The great pyramid of giza
848
00:39:42,005 --> 00:39:45,507
isn't just one of the seven
ancient wonders of the world.
849
00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:48,051
It's the most ancient
of them all.
850
00:39:49,429 --> 00:39:52,555
And it's the only one
still standing.
851
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,058
And it's what's inside
the great pyramid of giza
852
00:39:55,143 --> 00:39:57,268
that is
absolutely mind-boggling.
853
00:39:58,188 --> 00:40:02,232
You look at a beautiful,
perfect tunnel
854
00:40:02,275 --> 00:40:06,069
with perfectly smooth walls
855
00:40:06,113 --> 00:40:10,448
and a vaulted ceiling
that rises all the way up.
856
00:40:10,534 --> 00:40:13,076
And there are shafts, tunnels,
857
00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:16,371
and the architecture
and the way it was built
858
00:40:16,415 --> 00:40:18,915
is a mystery till today.
859
00:40:20,127 --> 00:40:21,918
Narrator:
The great pyramid
860
00:40:22,003 --> 00:40:24,212
consists of nearly
two and a half million
861
00:40:24,256 --> 00:40:26,798
limestone and granite blocks,
862
00:40:26,883 --> 00:40:31,428
many of which were quarried
from 500 miles away.
863
00:40:31,513 --> 00:40:35,390
It stands 480 feet high,
864
00:40:35,475 --> 00:40:37,851
covers 13 acres
865
00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:42,063
and has an estimated mass
of six million tons.
866
00:40:42,858 --> 00:40:45,316
According to most egyptologists,
867
00:40:45,402 --> 00:40:47,402
this miracle of engineering
868
00:40:47,487 --> 00:40:49,904
was constructed
during a 20-year period
869
00:40:49,948 --> 00:40:51,823
by order of the pharaoh khufu
870
00:40:51,908 --> 00:40:55,076
sometime around 2500 bc.
871
00:40:55,954 --> 00:40:59,581
But many experts
dispute this notion,
872
00:40:59,666 --> 00:41:02,125
and ancient astronaut
theorists suggest
873
00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:06,129
the origins of the great pyramid
are far more profound.
874
00:41:08,467 --> 00:41:11,176
This is... Applies to this
discussion right now, you know,
875
00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:13,970
to move these blocks
in the sand,
876
00:41:14,014 --> 00:41:16,181
because anybody who's ever
played in the sandbox
877
00:41:16,266 --> 00:41:17,557
or anybody who's been
to the beach,
878
00:41:17,642 --> 00:41:20,393
it's very difficult to do.
879
00:41:20,479 --> 00:41:24,189
And if you have
a 75-ton block...
880
00:41:24,274 --> 00:41:25,648
-60.
-Or 60, and...
881
00:41:25,692 --> 00:41:28,109
-No, 15 tons is a lot more.
-No, no.
882
00:41:28,153 --> 00:41:30,904
They all vary, by the way. There
are, inside the grand gallery,
883
00:41:30,989 --> 00:41:33,490
-there are some
75-ton blocks in there.
-Really?
884
00:41:33,533 --> 00:41:35,366
So, they floated them
on barges, and then...
885
00:41:35,452 --> 00:41:37,035
-But the bottom line is...
-And then they picked them up,
886
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,077
and they took them up on the...
887
00:41:38,163 --> 00:41:39,662
Shatner:
But-but okay,
888
00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:41,498
-so I-I can get beyond...
-(overlapping chatter)
889
00:41:41,541 --> 00:41:44,584
h-hold on. I-I need you
to explain to me the timeline.
890
00:41:44,669 --> 00:41:47,212
What was the... What's the
pyramids supposed to be?
891
00:41:47,297 --> 00:41:50,215
-4,500 years.
-4,500.
-4,500...
892
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:52,592
So-so the sphinx predated
the-the pyramids.
893
00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:56,346
Yes, and so, today, according
to some archaeologists,
894
00:41:56,431 --> 00:42:00,099
it is 12 thou... A minimum
of 12,000 years old.
895
00:42:00,185 --> 00:42:02,685
-Which is the same age
as the... As the sphinx.
-Yes.
896
00:42:04,689 --> 00:42:07,357
Narrator:
The dating of the great pyramid
has been the subject
897
00:42:07,442 --> 00:42:09,901
of much controversy,
and over the years,
898
00:42:09,986 --> 00:42:13,571
many experts have suggested
that it was built far earlier
899
00:42:13,657 --> 00:42:16,324
than the reign
of the pharaoh khufu,
900
00:42:16,409 --> 00:42:20,411
who ruled around 2500 bc.
901
00:42:21,623 --> 00:42:26,125
In 1837, a british colonel
who became an archaeologist,
902
00:42:26,211 --> 00:42:30,380
named richard howard vyse,
used dynamite...
903
00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:32,590
(hissing, explosion)
904
00:42:32,676 --> 00:42:37,428
...To get up into the king's
chamber of the great pyramid.
905
00:42:37,514 --> 00:42:39,347
This was something
that had not been entered
906
00:42:39,432 --> 00:42:42,225
by other archaeologists before.
907
00:42:42,269 --> 00:42:44,519
When he got
into these upper chambers,
908
00:42:44,604 --> 00:42:48,398
he then apparently claimed
that he found
909
00:42:48,441 --> 00:42:51,234
some hieroglyphic cartouches
910
00:42:51,278 --> 00:42:54,404
that mentioned
the pharaoh khufu.
911
00:42:54,447 --> 00:42:57,115
Narrator:
The cartouche, or signature,
912
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,994
of khufu in the king's chamber
is what colonel vyse used
913
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:05,206
to date the great pyramid
to 2500 bc.
914
00:43:06,084 --> 00:43:08,543
But he was under
tremendous pressure
915
00:43:08,628 --> 00:43:10,253
to make a major discovery
916
00:43:10,338 --> 00:43:14,507
due to the enormous cost
of his expedition,
917
00:43:14,593 --> 00:43:16,426
and some researchers
have suggested
918
00:43:16,469 --> 00:43:19,429
that he may have actually
fabricated this evidence.
919
00:43:19,514 --> 00:43:22,557
Childress:
Recently it has been discovered,
920
00:43:22,642 --> 00:43:26,603
by going through
vyse's journals,
921
00:43:26,646 --> 00:43:29,022
that he, in his journals,
actually says
922
00:43:29,107 --> 00:43:32,567
that there were no hieroglyphs
within this chamber.
923
00:43:32,652 --> 00:43:35,361
And so, it is suspected
924
00:43:35,447 --> 00:43:39,240
that vyse did, in fact,
forge this cartouche
925
00:43:39,284 --> 00:43:41,159
of the pharaoh khufu.
926
00:43:41,244 --> 00:43:43,411
Narrator:
Is it possible
927
00:43:43,455 --> 00:43:45,455
that the great pyramid of giza
928
00:43:45,498 --> 00:43:48,583
was constructed long
before the reign of khufu,
929
00:43:48,668 --> 00:43:52,170
and with the help
of extraterrestrials?
930
00:43:52,255 --> 00:43:57,175
Ancient astronaut theorists say
yes, and as further evidence,
931
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:59,427
point to a very curious detail
932
00:43:59,512 --> 00:44:02,680
regarding the placement
of the pyramid.
933
00:44:02,766 --> 00:44:05,141
Taylor:
Here's something else, bill.
934
00:44:05,226 --> 00:44:09,187
The central peak of the pyramid,
its location on the planet,
935
00:44:09,272 --> 00:44:11,356
coincides with the location
936
00:44:11,441 --> 00:44:14,317
that is the same number, out
to about ten digits at least,
937
00:44:14,402 --> 00:44:16,319
-as the speed of light.
-What do you mean,
the same number?
938
00:44:16,404 --> 00:44:17,779
What does that...
What does that mean?
939
00:44:17,864 --> 00:44:20,615
So the speed of light
is like 2.99879...
940
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:23,117
Okay, so if you project a photon
out of the tip of the...
941
00:44:23,203 --> 00:44:26,621
No. No. No, no, no, no. If you
look at the position on earth
942
00:44:26,665 --> 00:44:28,581
that it is, its location
on the map...
943
00:44:28,667 --> 00:44:30,333
-Shatner:
The geographic location?
-Geographic location.
944
00:44:30,377 --> 00:44:32,335
-Is what?
-Geographic location,
and then the-the...
945
00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:34,462
The number
that describes its position,
946
00:44:34,547 --> 00:44:38,341
uh, an inclination is the same
number as the speed of light.
947
00:44:40,345 --> 00:44:43,179
Narrator:
The latitudinal coordinate
for the great pyramid
948
00:44:43,223 --> 00:44:48,059
is 29.9792458 degrees north,
949
00:44:48,144 --> 00:44:51,354
a number that exactly matches
the speed of light
950
00:44:51,398 --> 00:44:54,065
when measured
in meters per second.
951
00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:58,194
Now that's interesting because
the great pyramid is known,
952
00:44:58,238 --> 00:45:00,530
um, as the "mountain of light."
953
00:45:00,573 --> 00:45:03,324
so here we have the value
of the speed of light
954
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:05,743
encoded into the great pyramid.
955
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:07,704
Another thing we find, as well,
956
00:45:07,789 --> 00:45:10,832
is that the location of the
great pyramid is really unique,
957
00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:14,127
because at that
specific location,
958
00:45:14,212 --> 00:45:16,254
if you pass a great circle
959
00:45:16,339 --> 00:45:19,215
from the great pyramid
through its cardinal
960
00:45:19,259 --> 00:45:22,218
and its ordinal directions,
961
00:45:22,303 --> 00:45:25,471
what you find is that
these circles will pass
962
00:45:25,557 --> 00:45:28,224
through more land mass
of the earth
963
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:32,145
than any other location
on the earth.
964
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:34,856
You find that the great pyramid
is essentially located
965
00:45:34,899 --> 00:45:37,567
at the center
of the world's landmass.
966
00:45:37,610 --> 00:45:40,278
Tsoukalos:
This is amazing stuff.
967
00:45:40,363 --> 00:45:42,780
When you consider
the vast amount of information
968
00:45:42,866 --> 00:45:45,575
about the earth encoded
into the great pyramid,
969
00:45:45,618 --> 00:45:49,412
you cannot consider it all
to be coincidence.
970
00:45:49,497 --> 00:45:51,414
Narrator:
Is it possible,
971
00:45:51,458 --> 00:45:54,417
as ancient astronaut
theorists suggest,
972
00:45:54,461 --> 00:45:57,211
that the information encoded
in the great pyramid of giza
973
00:45:57,255 --> 00:46:00,757
is a signature
of its alien architects?
974
00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:05,136
Sophisticated mathematical
975
00:46:05,221 --> 00:46:08,139
and-and scientific concepts
are being embedded,
976
00:46:08,224 --> 00:46:10,433
were embedded into the pyramids.
977
00:46:10,477 --> 00:46:14,437
Correct me if I'm wrong, but
there are still hidden chambers
978
00:46:14,522 --> 00:46:18,232
that many believe are still
to be discovered in the pyramids
979
00:46:18,276 --> 00:46:20,193
and that might give us
the answers.
980
00:46:20,278 --> 00:46:22,779
The king's chamber of the
great pyramid is about the size
981
00:46:22,822 --> 00:46:24,781
of this room right here,
and there are room
982
00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:27,492
for 47 more of these rooms
inside the pyramid.
983
00:46:27,577 --> 00:46:28,951
And just three years ago,
we discovered
984
00:46:28,995 --> 00:46:30,453
that when you go
into the pyramid...
985
00:46:30,538 --> 00:46:32,413
And I've been in there 40 times.
986
00:46:32,499 --> 00:46:35,708
-Have you?
-Yes, and you ascend
the grand gallery.
987
00:46:35,794 --> 00:46:38,795
And now we know that riding
upon the grand gallery
988
00:46:38,838 --> 00:46:41,422
is another chamber
that we knew nothing about
989
00:46:41,466 --> 00:46:42,924
-until a few years ago.
-Massive.
990
00:46:43,009 --> 00:46:45,676
-And so now, we have...
-Did we open it?
991
00:46:45,762 --> 00:46:48,304
-We haven't opened it yet.
-Why not?
992
00:46:48,348 --> 00:46:49,639
Well, talk
to the egyptian authorities.
993
00:46:49,724 --> 00:46:51,474
Shatner:
You're-you're giving me facts,
994
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:53,518
but you haven't convinced me.
995
00:46:53,603 --> 00:46:56,896
To me, it's improbable
996
00:46:56,981 --> 00:47:00,608
that a spaceship, given
the unimaginable distances,
997
00:47:00,693 --> 00:47:03,236
could traverse those distances.
998
00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:05,446
Does anybody have an answer
to that here?
999
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,495
In a universe nearly
14 billion years old,
1000
00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:14,747
civilizations might be out there
1001
00:47:14,833 --> 00:47:16,833
-with millions
of years head start.
-Right.
1002
00:47:16,876 --> 00:47:19,418
Yeah, just because
we can't do it
1003
00:47:19,504 --> 00:47:22,004
-doesn't mean
somebody else can't.
-Right.
1004
00:47:23,883 --> 00:47:25,842
I've actually had
conversations with, uh,
1005
00:47:25,885 --> 00:47:27,468
michio kaku several times
1006
00:47:27,512 --> 00:47:30,888
about the idea
of what we would have to do
1007
00:47:30,974 --> 00:47:33,516
in modern day
to build a warp drive
1008
00:47:33,601 --> 00:47:35,935
to travel between the stars.
1009
00:47:36,020 --> 00:47:39,772
Narrator:
The ancient astronaut theory
suggests
1010
00:47:39,858 --> 00:47:42,733
that aliens from another world
and most likely,
1011
00:47:42,819 --> 00:47:47,154
another star system, came
to earth in the distant past.
1012
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,575
Mainstream scientists,
however, argue
1013
00:47:50,660 --> 00:47:54,704
that the distances between stars
are simply too vast
1014
00:47:54,789 --> 00:47:57,415
for this to be possible.
1015
00:47:57,500 --> 00:47:59,876
But dr. Michio kaku,
1016
00:47:59,961 --> 00:48:02,044
one of the world's
leading theoretical physicists,
1017
00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:05,548
has proposed
that there are likely
1018
00:48:05,633 --> 00:48:07,967
to be other intelligent
beings in the universe
1019
00:48:08,052 --> 00:48:10,845
who are even more advanced
than humans,
1020
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:14,557
and that they could, in fact,
possess the technology
1021
00:48:14,642 --> 00:48:16,893
to travel between stars.
1022
00:48:18,813 --> 00:48:20,688
Michio kaku is, uh,
1023
00:48:20,773 --> 00:48:24,233
waiting to talk to us
on the television set. Michio?
1024
00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:28,446
-Yes?
-It's bill shatner, and
I'm pleased to see you again.
1025
00:48:28,531 --> 00:48:30,865
Last time we met,
we were talking string theory.
1026
00:48:30,909 --> 00:48:33,451
-That's right.
-Michio, what's your opinion
1027
00:48:33,536 --> 00:48:37,705
of the ancient alien
philosophy, theory, if you will?
1028
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:40,207
-What do you think about it?
-Well, I think
1029
00:48:40,251 --> 00:48:42,752
we have to keep our minds open,
because first of all,
1030
00:48:42,837 --> 00:48:45,254
we've discovered 4,000 planets
1031
00:48:45,340 --> 00:48:48,132
in our sector
of the milky way galaxy.
1032
00:48:48,217 --> 00:48:51,719
We now realize that there could
be literally billions
1033
00:48:51,763 --> 00:48:55,097
of earthlike planets,
some of them twins of the earth
1034
00:48:55,183 --> 00:48:56,807
in outer space.
And to believe
1035
00:48:56,893 --> 00:48:58,768
that we're the only game
in town,
1036
00:48:58,853 --> 00:49:01,228
I think, is rather presumptuous.
1037
00:49:01,314 --> 00:49:05,650
-Yeah.
-Since the universe is
13.8 billion years old,
1038
00:49:05,735 --> 00:49:10,029
there's plenty of time for
civilization to rise and fall.
1039
00:49:10,114 --> 00:49:14,116
We're discussing here
time travel, warp drive,
1040
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,662
all those things,
and most people think
1041
00:49:17,747 --> 00:49:21,791
that's theoretically possible,
but practically impossible.
1042
00:49:21,876 --> 00:49:23,960
What have you got
to say about that?
1043
00:49:24,045 --> 00:49:27,046
Well, you know, the skeptics
make a big mistake thinking
1044
00:49:27,131 --> 00:49:30,091
that-that aliens
can never visit the earth
1045
00:49:30,176 --> 00:49:32,301
'cause distances are too large.
1046
00:49:32,387 --> 00:49:35,096
That assumes that the aliens
are maybe only
1047
00:49:35,181 --> 00:49:38,683
100 years more advanced than us.
1048
00:49:38,768 --> 00:49:41,978
But they could be a million
years more advanced than us,
1049
00:49:42,063 --> 00:49:44,647
in which case they might,
1050
00:49:44,691 --> 00:49:50,027
just might, have the capability
of rocketing across space-time
1051
00:49:50,113 --> 00:49:53,114
faster than the speed of light.
1052
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:55,825
This is not out
of the question at all.
1053
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:59,996
There are two ways in which
you can use einstein's equations
1054
00:50:00,081 --> 00:50:02,164
to break the light barrier.
1055
00:50:02,208 --> 00:50:04,166
The first is wormholes.
1056
00:50:04,252 --> 00:50:09,839
Narrator:
The concept of traveling
through a wormhole, or stargate,
1057
00:50:09,924 --> 00:50:12,049
as it is sometimes called,
1058
00:50:12,135 --> 00:50:16,095
has become a popular device
in science fiction.
1059
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:18,681
But the theory was
actually proposed
1060
00:50:18,766 --> 00:50:22,601
by the most famous
astrophysicist who ever lived--
1061
00:50:22,687 --> 00:50:24,645
albert einstein.
1062
00:50:24,731 --> 00:50:27,148
In 1935, einstein
1063
00:50:27,191 --> 00:50:30,651
and fellow physicist
nathan rosen theorized
1064
00:50:30,737 --> 00:50:33,988
that two separate points
in space could be connected
1065
00:50:34,073 --> 00:50:36,157
through an einstein-rosen
bridge,
1066
00:50:36,242 --> 00:50:39,285
or what we now call a wormhole.
1067
00:50:39,370 --> 00:50:41,620
This would make travel
to the most remote stars
1068
00:50:41,706 --> 00:50:45,249
in the universe
a real possibility.
1069
00:50:45,334 --> 00:50:48,711
What you're talking about is
a structure in space
1070
00:50:48,796 --> 00:50:51,589
that involves very,
very strong bending of space
1071
00:50:51,674 --> 00:50:54,008
and the connecting of two
different parts of space.
1072
00:50:54,052 --> 00:50:57,219
So if you think of a piece of
paper curved around
1073
00:50:57,305 --> 00:50:59,013
and then punched out
and connected
1074
00:50:59,098 --> 00:51:00,347
from one place to the other,
1075
00:51:00,433 --> 00:51:02,975
that's your basic wormhole.
1076
00:51:04,103 --> 00:51:07,229
Alice's looking glass
would be the wormhole.
1077
00:51:07,315 --> 00:51:10,900
That is punching a hole
in space and time.
1078
00:51:10,985 --> 00:51:14,987
The second possibility is
what's explored in star trek.
1079
00:51:15,073 --> 00:51:18,991
And that is compressing space
or the alcubierre drive.
1080
00:51:19,077 --> 00:51:21,368
You know,
alcubierre once told me
1081
00:51:21,412 --> 00:51:24,205
that he was watching
an episode of star trek,
1082
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:26,749
and said, "well, if they
do it on star trek,
1083
00:51:26,834 --> 00:51:29,835
why can't I as a physicist
do it with einstein's equations?
1084
00:51:29,921 --> 00:51:31,253
I love it.
1085
00:51:31,297 --> 00:51:35,132
Narrator:
In the star trek
television series,
1086
00:51:35,218 --> 00:51:38,761
the starship enterprise is
equipped with a warp drive,
1087
00:51:38,805 --> 00:51:41,180
which enables it
to rocket through space
1088
00:51:41,265 --> 00:51:43,891
faster than the speed of light.
1089
00:51:43,976 --> 00:51:46,894
While some scientists have
suggested that
1090
00:51:46,979 --> 00:51:49,814
faster-than-light travel
is an impossibility,
1091
00:51:49,899 --> 00:51:55,027
in 1994, mexican theoretical
physicist miguel alcubierre
1092
00:51:55,113 --> 00:51:58,823
proposed a warp drive
that would do just that.
1093
00:51:58,908 --> 00:52:01,367
Richard dolan: Miguel alcubierre
developed an equation
1094
00:52:01,452 --> 00:52:05,079
of warp drive in which
he developed mathematics
1095
00:52:05,164 --> 00:52:08,666
that said, look, with enough
energy, you could actually
1096
00:52:08,751 --> 00:52:11,168
warp space and time
1097
00:52:11,254 --> 00:52:14,088
around your craft to create
a kind of space-time bubble,
1098
00:52:14,173 --> 00:52:17,758
and in a sense shrink space
in front of you
1099
00:52:17,844 --> 00:52:21,387
and extend that
space behind you.
1100
00:52:21,472 --> 00:52:23,848
So you're not exceeding
the speed of light
1101
00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:25,850
within that bubble.
1102
00:52:25,935 --> 00:52:28,894
You're obeying all of the laws
of physics there.
1103
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:33,399
But you're warping
space and time.
1104
00:52:33,484 --> 00:52:35,985
You compress the space
in front of you,
1105
00:52:36,070 --> 00:52:39,029
expand the space behind you
1106
00:52:39,115 --> 00:52:42,366
and, whomp, you break
the light barrier.
1107
00:52:42,451 --> 00:52:44,493
There's always a catch there.
1108
00:52:44,537 --> 00:52:46,912
You need
fantastic amounts of energy
1109
00:52:46,998 --> 00:52:50,124
in order to do this.
Now, of course, on star trek,
1110
00:52:50,209 --> 00:52:52,001
we have the dilithium crystals,
1111
00:52:52,086 --> 00:52:55,004
so your spaceship may go zapping
1112
00:52:55,089 --> 00:52:58,007
through at warp speed.
1113
00:52:58,092 --> 00:53:00,843
Henry: Let's say you're visiting
earth and you want to leave
1114
00:53:00,928 --> 00:53:03,804
the most important piece
of scientific information
1115
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:07,433
for these rudimentary...
Humans to discover.
1116
00:53:07,518 --> 00:53:09,935
What would you think
that could be?
1117
00:53:10,021 --> 00:53:11,896
Well, I think they would
probably leave a piece
1118
00:53:11,981 --> 00:53:16,483
of their dna because
mechanical things can rust,
1119
00:53:16,569 --> 00:53:20,446
fall apart,
but dna self-replicates.
1120
00:53:20,531 --> 00:53:23,991
It constantly mutates
to survive and the one thing
1121
00:53:24,076 --> 00:53:26,827
that will survive
over millions of years
1122
00:53:26,913 --> 00:53:29,038
after the aliens have left,
for example,
1123
00:53:29,123 --> 00:53:31,040
would be dna
1124
00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:34,543
because it's self-replicating,
mutating, adaptive,
1125
00:53:34,629 --> 00:53:38,130
while steel will rust,
computers fall apart
1126
00:53:38,216 --> 00:53:41,300
and machines break down, but dna
1127
00:53:41,385 --> 00:53:43,552
simply keeps on going forever.
1128
00:53:43,638 --> 00:53:45,512
Henry:
And they could conceivably also
1129
00:53:45,598 --> 00:53:48,307
program that dna
or implant scientific knowledge
1130
00:53:48,392 --> 00:53:51,393
into it that could be rolled
out over a millennia, perhaps.
1131
00:53:51,479 --> 00:53:54,355
In fact, yeah, in fact,
scientists have actually
1132
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,232
looked for messages in the dna.
1133
00:53:56,317 --> 00:53:57,816
And so far, they find none.
1134
00:53:57,902 --> 00:54:00,402
But it's conceivable
that one day if we do find
1135
00:54:00,488 --> 00:54:02,321
a message in dna,
1136
00:54:02,406 --> 00:54:04,406
that'll be an existential shock.
1137
00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:06,867
An existential shock,
1138
00:54:06,953 --> 00:54:09,954
realizing that somebody
is communicating
1139
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:13,582
with us after millions of years.
1140
00:54:13,668 --> 00:54:16,335
Long since machines have
turned to dust
1141
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:19,922
that these self-replicating
molecules are mutating
1142
00:54:19,966 --> 00:54:23,425
and surviving
and are leaving a message.
1143
00:54:23,511 --> 00:54:26,553
We haven't found it yet,
but we cannot rule it out.
1144
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:29,306
Shatner:
Thank you so much
1145
00:54:29,392 --> 00:54:33,143
for that beautiful way
of expressing your thoughts.
1146
00:54:33,229 --> 00:54:35,312
It was a delight to have
talked to you, a pleasure.
1147
00:54:35,398 --> 00:54:37,106
And I hope we do it again soon.
1148
00:54:37,191 --> 00:54:39,858
My pleasure. And a great honor
to be with you.
1149
00:54:39,944 --> 00:54:41,902
Thank you. Take care.
1150
00:54:41,988 --> 00:54:43,404
Well, what a gift.
1151
00:54:43,489 --> 00:54:45,072
Tsoukalos:
But with his last answer,
1152
00:54:45,157 --> 00:54:49,118
the circle has closed
because he mentioned dna.
1153
00:54:54,542 --> 00:54:56,500
What dr. Michio kaku said
was so important,
1154
00:54:56,585 --> 00:54:58,627
because almost
the single biggest
1155
00:54:58,713 --> 00:55:00,713
objection from the skeptics
to the whole--
1156
00:55:00,798 --> 00:55:02,589
whether it's the ufo phenomenon,
1157
00:55:02,633 --> 00:55:04,216
the ancient astronaut theory--
1158
00:55:04,302 --> 00:55:06,593
is you can't get here
from there.
1159
00:55:06,637 --> 00:55:09,638
And there was dr. Michio kaku
saying, "oh, yes, you can."
1160
00:55:09,724 --> 00:55:12,349
-if you had a certain level
of technology.
-Tsoukalos: Yes.
1161
00:55:12,435 --> 00:55:14,476
-We're unlikely to be first...
-Shatner: No, of course
we want to be able to--
1162
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,438
the salient question,
of course, even that is
1163
00:55:17,523 --> 00:55:19,606
our imperative,
is to stay alive.
1164
00:55:19,692 --> 00:55:22,484
Have the-- our civilization
stay with us long enough
1165
00:55:22,570 --> 00:55:24,320
to be able to invent
that kind of thing.
1166
00:55:24,363 --> 00:55:27,156
You wouldn't build big massive
starships to travel around
1167
00:55:27,241 --> 00:55:29,158
and populate
the universe at first.
1168
00:55:29,201 --> 00:55:31,618
That's, that would take too much
time, energy and resources.
1169
00:55:31,704 --> 00:55:34,330
What you would do
1170
00:55:34,373 --> 00:55:35,748
is create a teeny,
tiny little probe.
1171
00:55:35,833 --> 00:55:39,501
And our dna replicates itself
over and over and over.
1172
00:55:39,587 --> 00:55:42,296
And you can send it
as a particle
1173
00:55:42,381 --> 00:55:44,256
across the universe
1174
00:55:44,342 --> 00:55:46,300
and when it lands there
a billion years later,
1175
00:55:46,385 --> 00:55:49,636
it might stimulate
the growth of life
1176
00:55:49,722 --> 00:55:51,764
and dna propagating
in other species.
1177
00:55:51,849 --> 00:55:53,682
Henry:
That's the term "panspermia."
1178
00:55:55,186 --> 00:55:59,938
narrator:
Panspermia is a hypothesis
that suggests alien organisms
1179
00:56:00,024 --> 00:56:02,775
have reached our planet
traveling on meteorites.
1180
00:56:02,860 --> 00:56:06,695
Some proponents believe
that panspermia was
1181
00:56:06,781 --> 00:56:09,531
responsible for seeding
all life on earth,
1182
00:56:09,575 --> 00:56:12,785
while others propose
that it may have introduced
1183
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:15,621
just one highly unique species--
1184
00:56:15,706 --> 00:56:17,748
humans.
1185
00:56:18,834 --> 00:56:21,251
Tsoukalos: In the concept
of panspermia, there's
1186
00:56:21,337 --> 00:56:24,338
two ways to look at this.
One is...
1187
00:56:24,423 --> 00:56:27,591
Panspermia that happens
just like that.
1188
00:56:27,676 --> 00:56:29,885
And then there's another
version that is called
1189
00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:34,807
direct panspermia, and direct
panspermia would suggest
1190
00:56:34,892 --> 00:56:37,601
that it was done deliberately by
1191
00:56:37,686 --> 00:56:41,480
a faraway extraterrestrial
advanced civilization.
1192
00:56:41,565 --> 00:56:45,401
And why wouldn't a-a rock
which has the cells
1193
00:56:45,486 --> 00:56:47,569
of life that land on earth,
1194
00:56:47,655 --> 00:56:49,488
why don't we think
of that sending its seed?
1195
00:56:49,573 --> 00:56:51,490
Francis crick himself
said life is a miracle
1196
00:56:51,575 --> 00:56:53,826
and the most practical way
to explain
1197
00:56:53,911 --> 00:56:55,619
how life arose on earth is that
1198
00:56:55,704 --> 00:56:58,747
some advanced civilization sent
out rockets packed with dna.
1199
00:56:58,833 --> 00:57:02,459
Narrator:
Francis crick was
a british geneticist,
1200
00:57:02,545 --> 00:57:04,837
who, in 1953,
1201
00:57:04,922 --> 00:57:08,424
along with american biologist
james watson,
1202
00:57:08,509 --> 00:57:12,594
discovered the three-dimensional
double-helix shape of dna.
1203
00:57:12,638 --> 00:57:16,014
This scientific breakthrough
was a giant leap forward
1204
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:19,560
in unraveling the mystery
of humankind's origins.
1205
00:57:19,603 --> 00:57:24,022
But francis crick found our
genetic code to be so complex
1206
00:57:24,108 --> 00:57:26,650
that he proposed
it could not have developed
1207
00:57:26,735 --> 00:57:29,361
by mere evolutionary chance,
1208
00:57:29,447 --> 00:57:32,614
and most likely did not
originate on earth.
1209
00:57:34,118 --> 00:57:37,786
The information content of life
1210
00:57:37,872 --> 00:57:42,040
at the level of dna
is so incredibly vast,
1211
00:57:42,126 --> 00:57:46,462
super astronomical, that one
could entertain a possibility
1212
00:57:46,505 --> 00:57:50,674
that there has been
an artificial creation of this.
1213
00:57:50,759 --> 00:57:53,469
So what francis crick
suggested is that
1214
00:57:53,512 --> 00:57:56,930
perhaps there was
a super intelligent life-form
1215
00:57:56,974 --> 00:57:59,516
somewhere nearby to the earth
1216
00:57:59,602 --> 00:58:05,481
that essentially designed the
life that exists on the earth.
1217
00:58:05,566 --> 00:58:08,859
The origin of life
is extremely improbable
1218
00:58:08,944 --> 00:58:12,070
is something
that I would agree with.
1219
00:58:12,156 --> 00:58:13,780
I'm skeptical on that.
1220
00:58:13,866 --> 00:58:15,491
I sit at this table, obviously,
1221
00:58:15,576 --> 00:58:19,828
as-as somebody who investigated
ufos for the british government.
1222
00:58:19,872 --> 00:58:22,915
I bow to the greater expertise
of my colleagues
1223
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,792
on the ancient astronaut
theory, of course.
1224
00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:27,794
That's not my specialist area.
1225
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,922
But I am a little skeptical
of some of this,
1226
00:58:30,007 --> 00:58:32,341
"well, aliens tinkered with us."
1227
00:58:32,426 --> 00:58:36,845
I think that normal random
mutations and natural selection
1228
00:58:36,931 --> 00:58:38,639
-could explain this.
-Fred hoyle, fred hoyle
commenting...
1229
00:58:38,682 --> 00:58:40,599
-Taylor: But actually, it can't.
-Fred hoyle, commenting on...
1230
00:58:40,684 --> 00:58:42,392
Statistically,
mathematically, it can't.
1231
00:58:42,478 --> 00:58:45,020
-Fred hoyle, yes.
-Fred hoyle, astronomer,
scientist,
1232
00:58:45,064 --> 00:58:46,939
commenting
on this genetic alteration
1233
00:58:47,024 --> 00:58:48,774
of chromosome 2 said, "the odds
1234
00:58:48,859 --> 00:58:50,859
"of this happening are
like a tornado sweeping
1235
00:58:50,903 --> 00:58:54,613
"through a junkyard
of 747 parts and manifesting
1236
00:58:54,698 --> 00:58:56,406
-a fully functional 747."
-taylor: Yes.
1237
00:58:56,492 --> 00:58:58,951
Tsoukalos:
A lot of stuff happens
by coincidence.
1238
00:58:59,036 --> 00:59:02,788
But there are certain things
where you have to say,
1239
00:59:02,873 --> 00:59:05,541
"coincidence
doesn't quite apply."
1240
00:59:05,626 --> 00:59:08,710
so, some people say,
"oh, well, that was god,"
1241
00:59:08,754 --> 00:59:10,712
and some people say, "well, no,
1242
00:59:10,756 --> 00:59:13,006
maybe it wasn't god,
but it was an extraterrestrial."
1243
00:59:13,092 --> 00:59:15,717
-(overlapping chatter)
-or it happened so many times,
1244
00:59:15,761 --> 00:59:18,512
-it was bound
to happen in that way.
-Taylor: You have to think,
1245
00:59:18,597 --> 00:59:20,806
"well, could this have been
a random cosmic ray
1246
00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:23,517
"bounced and caused this thing?
What are the odds
1247
00:59:23,602 --> 00:59:25,394
of that actually happening,
and could it...?"
1248
00:59:25,479 --> 00:59:28,647
now, that did happen in probably
billions of instances.
1249
00:59:28,732 --> 00:59:32,776
But certain things, like lining
up the human chromosome chain
1250
00:59:32,861 --> 00:59:35,529
and getting that right
and causing that to happen is
1251
00:59:35,573 --> 00:59:38,073
beyond statistical probability
within the life of the universe.
1252
00:59:38,117 --> 00:59:41,618
-I high-- you don't know that.
-Yes, you do! Yes, you do.
1253
00:59:41,704 --> 00:59:43,161
-You can mathematically...
-No, you don't, because, I can
1254
00:59:43,247 --> 00:59:44,580
tell you why you don't know it.
1255
00:59:44,665 --> 00:59:46,582
Because the numbers
involved in the universe,
1256
00:59:46,667 --> 00:59:50,460
the numbers of what
could happen, you-you...
1257
00:59:50,546 --> 00:59:52,629
Our mind can't encompass it.
1258
00:59:52,715 --> 00:59:56,008
Well, but in order for
the human genome to be created,
1259
00:59:56,093 --> 00:59:58,510
this thing has to happen,
and then this thing,
1260
00:59:58,596 --> 01:00:01,471
and then this thing, and then
this thing, and then this thing.
1261
01:00:01,557 --> 01:00:02,931
It's not these things
in parallel, and so,
1262
01:00:03,017 --> 01:00:05,726
the probabilities multiply
times each other, and in...
1263
01:00:05,811 --> 01:00:08,645
And when you get to the point
where all of these things had
1264
01:00:08,731 --> 01:00:10,772
to happen in sequence
to get to the end point,
1265
01:00:10,858 --> 01:00:13,483
you can actually do
the statistical math
1266
01:00:13,569 --> 01:00:16,862
for this and show that you could
not create that randomly
1267
01:00:16,947 --> 01:00:18,947
within the age of the universe.
1268
01:00:19,033 --> 01:00:22,659
Pope:
Well, look, I was the one
who disagreed on the point
1269
01:00:22,745 --> 01:00:25,454
-about tinkering with evolution.
-Please, nick.
1270
01:00:25,497 --> 01:00:27,497
I want you to hold forth, nick.
1271
01:00:27,583 --> 01:00:30,000
Yeah, I think
that it can all be explained
1272
01:00:30,085 --> 01:00:32,669
with random mutation
and natural selection, so...
1273
01:00:32,755 --> 01:00:34,171
But the point is,
1274
01:00:34,256 --> 01:00:37,591
we don't necessarily agree
all around this table.
1275
01:00:37,635 --> 01:00:38,967
You've got a diverse group here.
1276
01:00:39,011 --> 01:00:40,969
I think it would be
very unproductive
1277
01:00:41,055 --> 01:00:43,722
if we all just
nodded along and agreed.
1278
01:00:43,807 --> 01:00:45,641
We have different backgrounds,
1279
01:00:45,684 --> 01:00:47,643
-different areas of specialism.
-Shatner: Yes. Yes.
1280
01:00:47,686 --> 01:00:49,603
-But that's where we get
to the good stuff.
-Yes.
1281
01:00:49,647 --> 01:00:52,564
-Where we do disagree
and debate.
-I absolutely agree,
1282
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:54,066
and-and I want you to disagree.
1283
01:00:54,151 --> 01:00:55,233
And I can't tell you
how I love this.
1284
01:00:55,319 --> 01:00:57,527
We've covered ancient aliens,
1285
01:00:57,613 --> 01:00:59,655
but what about today?
Does anybody know
1286
01:00:59,740 --> 01:01:01,448
anything about them today?
1287
01:01:04,495 --> 01:01:06,745
I'd love to hear
from you guys about, uh,
1288
01:01:06,830 --> 01:01:09,164
about ufos and roswell.
1289
01:01:09,249 --> 01:01:11,833
You keep hearing it was
a weather balloon, it wasn't.
1290
01:01:11,919 --> 01:01:13,919
Tsoukalos:
Before ancient aliens,
1291
01:01:14,004 --> 01:01:15,504
I never paid any attention,
really,
1292
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:17,923
to the modern-day
ufo phenomenon.
1293
01:01:18,008 --> 01:01:21,760
But over the past few years,
because of ancient aliens
1294
01:01:21,845 --> 01:01:23,095
and some of the people
sitting at this table,
1295
01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:25,681
I've gotten very much interested
1296
01:01:25,766 --> 01:01:27,849
in the modern-day
ufo phenomenon.
1297
01:01:27,935 --> 01:01:29,935
And one person
from whom I've learned a lot
1298
01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:33,563
is linda moulton howe,
who is one of the experts
1299
01:01:33,649 --> 01:01:35,065
-in modern-day ufo...
-Shatner: She's the journalist?
1300
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:37,693
The award-winning
journalist filmmaker?
1301
01:01:38,862 --> 01:01:41,863
Narrator:
Investigative journalist
linda moulton howe
1302
01:01:41,907 --> 01:01:44,282
has been documenting
strange phenomena,
1303
01:01:44,368 --> 01:01:47,202
ufo sightings
and alien encounters
1304
01:01:47,287 --> 01:01:49,162
for more than four decades.
1305
01:01:49,998 --> 01:01:51,873
She has received numerous awards
1306
01:01:51,917 --> 01:01:53,834
for her journalistic excellence
1307
01:01:53,919 --> 01:01:56,128
in a wide range of fields
1308
01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:58,130
and today is reporter and editor
1309
01:01:58,215 --> 01:02:01,174
of the website earthfiles.Com,
1310
01:02:01,260 --> 01:02:02,676
which contains an archive
1311
01:02:02,761 --> 01:02:07,013
of nearly 3,000
in-depth ufo reports.
1312
01:02:08,183 --> 01:02:10,809
We've got her ready on a call.
1313
01:02:10,894 --> 01:02:12,978
-Henry: Hey, linda.
-Taylor: Hi, linda.
-Hi, everyone.
1314
01:02:13,063 --> 01:02:15,897
Hi, linda. I-I'm
william shatner, bill shatner.
1315
01:02:15,983 --> 01:02:17,983
-It's a pleasure to-to meet you.
-Howe: Yeah.
1316
01:02:18,068 --> 01:02:19,735
I've heard so much about you.
1317
01:02:19,778 --> 01:02:21,069
-Well...
-Everybody around here
has come up
1318
01:02:21,113 --> 01:02:23,071
to tell me
how wonderful you are.
1319
01:02:23,157 --> 01:02:25,240
-(chuckles)
-it's true. And...
1320
01:02:25,325 --> 01:02:30,245
Well, I-I feel like I know you
as a longtime star trek fan.
1321
01:02:30,289 --> 01:02:31,913
-Oh, I appreciate that.
-Wonderful
1322
01:02:31,957 --> 01:02:34,207
-to be here with you.
-Shatner: Well, thank you.
1323
01:02:34,293 --> 01:02:37,544
And I'm consumed
by the subject matter,
1324
01:02:37,629 --> 01:02:40,297
and we've arrived at, uh,
1325
01:02:40,382 --> 01:02:42,799
spaceships and-and-and...
1326
01:02:42,885 --> 01:02:44,843
And ancient aliens.
Where are they now?
1327
01:02:44,928 --> 01:02:49,014
I think a lot of them are hiding
right here on this planet
1328
01:02:49,099 --> 01:02:51,850
and have been here
for millions of years.
1329
01:02:51,935 --> 01:02:54,060
I think this is
a revolutionary time.
1330
01:02:54,104 --> 01:02:56,229
No matter whatever else happens,
1331
01:02:56,315 --> 01:02:59,107
we have to learn
we're not alone in the universe.
1332
01:02:59,151 --> 01:03:03,028
Are we seeing
space vehicles, then?
1333
01:03:03,113 --> 01:03:05,280
Was roswell an example of that?
1334
01:03:05,324 --> 01:03:07,783
I'll tell you
from firsthand knowledge
1335
01:03:07,868 --> 01:03:10,160
that there was
the retrieval of a craft
1336
01:03:10,245 --> 01:03:13,997
in July of 1947
1337
01:03:14,082 --> 01:03:17,918
when that big headline,
1338
01:03:17,961 --> 01:03:20,712
a real, honest headline came out
1339
01:03:20,798 --> 01:03:22,756
that the roswell army airfield
1340
01:03:22,841 --> 01:03:26,718
was reporting the downing
of a flying disk.
1341
01:03:26,804 --> 01:03:29,304
Narrator:
The roswell incident has become
1342
01:03:29,389 --> 01:03:32,182
the most famous ufo event
on record,
1343
01:03:32,267 --> 01:03:35,644
the crash landing
of an unidentified object
1344
01:03:35,729 --> 01:03:39,815
in the new mexico desert
in July 1947.
1345
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:41,858
And it was
the united states army
1346
01:03:41,944 --> 01:03:45,362
that reported the craft
as a flying disk.
1347
01:03:45,447 --> 01:03:49,825
On July 8th of that year,
the roswell daily record
1348
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:51,660
had an incredible headline,
1349
01:03:51,703 --> 01:03:54,079
which was
that the united states army
1350
01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:56,164
had captured
one of these flying disks
1351
01:03:56,208 --> 01:03:58,875
that everyone
had been talking about.
1352
01:03:58,961 --> 01:04:03,171
It was absolutely a big,
big news story at the time.
1353
01:04:03,215 --> 01:04:06,883
Narrator:
Within days, the military
walked back its story,
1354
01:04:06,969 --> 01:04:09,177
suddenly claiming
that the crashed object
1355
01:04:09,263 --> 01:04:12,347
was nothing more
than a weather balloon.
1356
01:04:12,432 --> 01:04:15,684
But curiously, they said
that the balloon was taken
1357
01:04:15,769 --> 01:04:17,853
to wright-patterson
air force base
1358
01:04:17,938 --> 01:04:19,437
in ohio.
1359
01:04:19,523 --> 01:04:21,648
Dolan:
When you really think
about this,
1360
01:04:21,692 --> 01:04:25,694
why on earth would anyone send
any kind of weather balloon
1361
01:04:25,779 --> 01:04:29,197
or the alleged mogul balloon
1362
01:04:29,241 --> 01:04:32,117
that the air force came up with
many years later?
1363
01:04:32,202 --> 01:04:34,828
And you're gonna send this off
to wright field
1364
01:04:34,913 --> 01:04:37,289
for technical analysis?
1365
01:04:37,374 --> 01:04:39,708
None of it
makes any sense whatsoever.
1366
01:04:39,793 --> 01:04:43,044
Unless that material
was much more exotic
1367
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:44,838
and much more
scientifically interesting
1368
01:04:44,923 --> 01:04:46,756
than just a mere balloon.
1369
01:04:46,842 --> 01:04:49,384
Narrator:
In April 2011,
1370
01:04:49,469 --> 01:04:51,136
the fbi released
1371
01:04:51,221 --> 01:04:54,890
thousands of files
as part of its online fbi vault,
1372
01:04:54,975 --> 01:04:58,894
and one of those files
included a 1950 briefing
1373
01:04:58,937 --> 01:05:01,229
to fbi director j. Edgar hoover
1374
01:05:01,315 --> 01:05:05,233
regarding informant information
about three flying saucers
1375
01:05:05,319 --> 01:05:08,236
that were recovered
in new mexico.
1376
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:11,740
Many researchers believe
this corroborates
1377
01:05:11,783 --> 01:05:14,868
long-standing rumors that
the roswell incident involved
1378
01:05:14,953 --> 01:05:18,997
not one but three crashed ufos.
1379
01:05:20,918 --> 01:05:22,918
Shatner:
Have there been more things
1380
01:05:23,003 --> 01:05:25,754
that are noted in the news?
1381
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:28,256
Sightings, uh,
saucers and things?
1382
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:32,052
The one that most people
are not aware of today,
1383
01:05:32,137 --> 01:05:35,096
the date was February 25, 1942,
1384
01:05:35,140 --> 01:05:38,475
and it's called
the battle of los angeles.
1385
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,896
It made the l.A. Times
and a big front-page story.
1386
01:05:43,899 --> 01:05:47,442
Narrator: Five years before
the now famous roswell incident,
1387
01:05:47,527 --> 01:05:51,321
an extraordinary ufo event
was witnessed in the sky
1388
01:05:51,406 --> 01:05:53,031
over los angeles.
1389
01:05:53,116 --> 01:05:56,159
(air-raid siren wailing)
1390
01:05:56,244 --> 01:05:58,328
what's called the battle of l.A.
Is actually
1391
01:05:58,413 --> 01:06:01,539
one of the earliest
unexplained ufo mysteries
1392
01:06:01,625 --> 01:06:03,291
in our modern era.
1393
01:06:03,335 --> 01:06:08,964
It took place on the early
morning of February 25, 1942.
1394
01:06:10,384 --> 01:06:15,470
1,430 artillery shells
were fired
1395
01:06:15,555 --> 01:06:18,306
at several unknown objects.
1396
01:06:18,392 --> 01:06:22,185
Many eyewitnesses
on the ground saw this.
1397
01:06:23,105 --> 01:06:25,563
So, the question is
what were these things?
1398
01:06:25,649 --> 01:06:29,234
Uh, in terms of covering it up,
1399
01:06:29,319 --> 01:06:33,154
uh, the military
consistently downplayed this.
1400
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,447
The secretary of the navy,
1401
01:06:34,533 --> 01:06:37,283
uh, said to the public
it was just war nerves.
1402
01:06:37,369 --> 01:06:39,995
There was nothing out there
whatsoever.
1403
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,831
In the 1970s,
1404
01:06:42,874 --> 01:06:45,959
an foi request
obtained a memorandum
1405
01:06:46,044 --> 01:06:48,336
by army chief of staff
general george marshall
1406
01:06:48,422 --> 01:06:50,964
in which he wrote a memo
about this incident
1407
01:06:51,008 --> 01:06:53,216
to president franklin roosevelt.
1408
01:06:53,301 --> 01:06:58,096
So, it's clear that the military
was interested in it.
1409
01:06:58,181 --> 01:07:00,515
Narrator:
The secret memo
that general marshall
1410
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,100
sent to president roosevelt
1411
01:07:02,185 --> 01:07:04,894
directly contradicted
the navy's public statement
1412
01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:06,855
that there was nothing
in the sky
1413
01:07:06,940 --> 01:07:08,815
over los angeles that night,
1414
01:07:08,859 --> 01:07:13,153
claiming instead that as many
as 15 unidentified airplanes
1415
01:07:13,238 --> 01:07:15,280
may have been involved.
1416
01:07:17,617 --> 01:07:21,202
We've had a policy of denial
since world war ii,
1417
01:07:21,288 --> 01:07:23,955
thinking that humans
could not handle
1418
01:07:24,041 --> 01:07:27,042
whatever it is that is
the perceived bottom-line truth.
1419
01:07:27,085 --> 01:07:29,461
Shatner:
But assuming all that is true,
1420
01:07:29,546 --> 01:07:31,337
does american technology
1421
01:07:31,423 --> 01:07:33,173
have those super ships?
1422
01:07:33,258 --> 01:07:35,175
Do we know anything more?
1423
01:07:35,260 --> 01:07:36,926
Uh, did anything result
1424
01:07:37,012 --> 01:07:39,012
as a result
of that advanced technology?
1425
01:07:39,056 --> 01:07:41,014
(chuckles):
Well, I think
1426
01:07:41,099 --> 01:07:44,476
that there is a huge, um,
1427
01:07:44,561 --> 01:07:46,394
if you want
to call it underground
1428
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,980
or a black world
1429
01:07:49,066 --> 01:07:52,317
of all kinds of back engineering
1430
01:07:52,402 --> 01:07:57,030
and laboratory
and all things related to,
1431
01:07:57,115 --> 01:07:58,573
uh, whether they were
crashed disks
1432
01:07:58,617 --> 01:08:02,911
or technology deliberately
placed in our hands.
1433
01:08:02,996 --> 01:08:06,414
Given the way
the government, uh,
1434
01:08:06,458 --> 01:08:09,167
sends out whistleblowers,
all kinds of,
1435
01:08:09,252 --> 01:08:11,961
uh, hidden information
we're getting all the time,
1436
01:08:12,047 --> 01:08:16,424
this mind-blowing idea
that you've just espoused,
1437
01:08:16,468 --> 01:08:18,885
it seems
it would be impossible to hide
1438
01:08:18,970 --> 01:08:21,596
for any length of time.
1439
01:08:21,681 --> 01:08:24,933
We honestly do not
fully understand agendas,
1440
01:08:24,976 --> 01:08:27,018
and the biggest problem we have
1441
01:08:27,104 --> 01:08:29,521
is how do we trust?
1442
01:08:29,606 --> 01:08:32,023
It's our own governments
and power brokers
1443
01:08:32,109 --> 01:08:35,568
that keep the human family
in the dark.
1444
01:08:35,654 --> 01:08:37,612
Shatner:
Fascinating.
1445
01:08:37,697 --> 01:08:40,573
Linda, thank you so much
for that, uh,
1446
01:08:40,617 --> 01:08:42,117
interesting information.
1447
01:08:42,202 --> 01:08:44,410
We'll have an occasion
to discuss it here.
1448
01:08:44,454 --> 01:08:46,371
Uh, and it was very informative,
1449
01:08:46,456 --> 01:08:48,498
and I thank you so much
for spending your time
1450
01:08:48,583 --> 01:08:49,666
-with us.
-Tsoukalos: Thank you, linda.
1451
01:08:49,751 --> 01:08:51,000
Oh, thank you.
1452
01:08:51,086 --> 01:08:52,460
-Taylor: Bye, linda.
-Bye, linda.
1453
01:08:52,504 --> 01:08:53,586
Take care.
1454
01:08:56,675 --> 01:08:58,341
When you get into
the ufo phenomenon,
1455
01:08:58,426 --> 01:09:01,136
it-it doesn't take long
as you scratch the surface
1456
01:09:01,179 --> 01:09:03,096
that a conspiracy is there
1457
01:09:03,181 --> 01:09:04,806
because there's,
at-at the very least,
1458
01:09:04,850 --> 01:09:08,476
if there are ufos,
there is a conspiracy
1459
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,728
-to cover it up.
-But it's not a conspiracy.
-Why?
1460
01:09:10,814 --> 01:09:12,272
-Why?
-Childress: Well...
1461
01:09:12,315 --> 01:09:14,149
Pope:
This is where I part company
1462
01:09:14,192 --> 01:09:15,441
from some of the-the people
1463
01:09:15,527 --> 01:09:18,278
more deeply into
the conspiracy theories,
1464
01:09:18,363 --> 01:09:20,488
because my view--
and I've-I've actually done this
1465
01:09:20,574 --> 01:09:22,323
for the british government--
my view is that government
1466
01:09:22,367 --> 01:09:25,326
doesn't necessarily have
all the answers to this.
1467
01:09:25,412 --> 01:09:27,787
Taylor: That's exactly right.
I agree with that 100%.
1468
01:09:27,831 --> 01:09:30,331
And nick and I have talked
about this. This is what
1469
01:09:30,375 --> 01:09:33,168
your conspiracy is.
Your conspiracy is time.
1470
01:09:33,253 --> 01:09:36,212
If something happened
in 1947 in roswell,
1471
01:09:36,298 --> 01:09:38,673
three or four guys,
1472
01:09:38,758 --> 01:09:40,675
because that's all
there was budget for
1473
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,179
to go investigate whatever
this was, went out there.
1474
01:09:44,264 --> 01:09:46,389
They took stuff,
packed it up in carts,
1475
01:09:46,474 --> 01:09:47,599
and they may have taken it
and had
1476
01:09:47,684 --> 01:09:49,267
some scientists look at it.
They may not.
1477
01:09:49,352 --> 01:09:52,145
They may not have had budget to
hire a scientist to look at it.
1478
01:09:52,230 --> 01:09:53,563
Scientists are expensive.
1479
01:09:53,648 --> 01:09:55,440
Then,
when they were done with it,
1480
01:09:55,525 --> 01:09:56,482
they shoved it in a safe
1481
01:09:56,568 --> 01:09:58,818
or a drawer
or a vault somewhere,
1482
01:09:58,904 --> 01:10:00,111
and they retired.
1483
01:10:00,197 --> 01:10:01,196
And when they retired,
1484
01:10:01,281 --> 01:10:03,198
so, the next guy
comes into the building,
1485
01:10:03,283 --> 01:10:04,741
and he says, "hey,
I need room in the vault.
1486
01:10:04,826 --> 01:10:06,242
What's this stuff over here?"
1487
01:10:06,328 --> 01:10:08,369
and nobody owned up
to whose it...
1488
01:10:08,455 --> 01:10:09,662
This is...
This is 100% it happened,
1489
01:10:09,748 --> 01:10:10,747
'cause it happened
to the saturn v blueprints.
1490
01:10:10,832 --> 01:10:11,873
Yeah, yeah, you can imagine.
1491
01:10:11,917 --> 01:10:14,709
We find
the saturn v blueprints in barns
1492
01:10:14,753 --> 01:10:16,878
-in north alabama all the time.
-Shatner: So, what you ascribe
1493
01:10:16,922 --> 01:10:20,757
as a... As a plot is stupidity
and ignorance and-and...
1494
01:10:20,842 --> 01:10:23,426
-And lethargy.
-No, it's a lack of...
Lack of resources and time.
1495
01:10:23,511 --> 01:10:26,888
Pope:
It's also... It's also
the inherently secretive nature
1496
01:10:26,932 --> 01:10:29,849
of the organizations that tend
to be running these programs.
1497
01:10:29,935 --> 01:10:31,517
Well, I will... I'll go
with that. I mean, look, the...
1498
01:10:31,561 --> 01:10:34,354
Nasa supposedly erased
all the master tapes
1499
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,481
of the apollo 11 program.
1500
01:10:36,566 --> 01:10:38,233
-I mean, supposedly.
-Why?
1501
01:10:38,318 --> 01:10:40,276
-And they said, oh-- yeah, why?
-Taylor: They needed them.
1502
01:10:40,362 --> 01:10:41,736
-They didn't need them.
-Taylor: No,
1503
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:42,779
-they needed them.
-Childress: Yeah, they...
1504
01:10:42,864 --> 01:10:44,239
The tapes were still intact.
1505
01:10:44,324 --> 01:10:45,615
They needed to reuse them,
1506
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:47,200
-so they rerecorded over them.
-Taylor: You guys...
1507
01:10:47,285 --> 01:10:48,576
-Be careful.
-Did they erase the tapes?
1508
01:10:48,662 --> 01:10:50,453
They erased the tapes
because they needed them
1509
01:10:50,538 --> 01:10:52,664
on another mission,
and these tapes didn't exist
1510
01:10:52,749 --> 01:10:54,582
in-in multitudes at the time.
1511
01:10:54,668 --> 01:10:57,168
-It's just like
the whole fallacy...
-Shatner: So, what...
1512
01:10:57,254 --> 01:10:58,378
How... What's the loss in, uh,
1513
01:10:58,463 --> 01:10:59,963
-erasing the tapes?
-All the original footage
1514
01:11:00,048 --> 01:11:01,798
of going to the moon
has been lost.
1515
01:11:01,883 --> 01:11:04,259
Tzadok: Do not ever
underestimate the power
1516
01:11:04,302 --> 01:11:07,804
and abilities of our governments
to keep secrets.
1517
01:11:07,889 --> 01:11:09,764
Pope:
I would certainly agree
with that.
1518
01:11:09,808 --> 01:11:10,765
There's something
in our airspace.
1519
01:11:10,850 --> 01:11:12,850
There are factions
within government
1520
01:11:12,936 --> 01:11:14,644
that probably think it's russia
1521
01:11:14,729 --> 01:11:16,813
or it's china
or it's our own tech,
1522
01:11:16,898 --> 01:11:19,774
and then there's a faction
that probably thinks, "what if
1523
01:11:19,818 --> 01:11:20,942
this is extraterrestrial?"
1524
01:11:21,027 --> 01:11:22,610
carter:
Is it possible
1525
01:11:22,654 --> 01:11:25,488
that the reason that now
we're hearing all this stuff
1526
01:11:25,573 --> 01:11:27,240
from the government,
1527
01:11:27,284 --> 01:11:29,284
because, you know,
we got our cell phones,
1528
01:11:29,327 --> 01:11:31,744
I mean, everybody's under
surveillance one way or another,
1529
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:34,664
is it possible that one day
there's gonna be a sighting
1530
01:11:34,749 --> 01:11:36,624
that cannot be explained away?
1531
01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:39,961
Tsoukalos: What's interesting
is that since ufo groups
1532
01:11:40,046 --> 01:11:43,756
have come into existence
in the 1970s, 1980s,
1533
01:11:43,842 --> 01:11:47,593
they've always been laughed at,
belittled,
1534
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:50,388
and the u.S. Government
for decades has denied
1535
01:11:50,473 --> 01:11:53,391
that they're investigating ufos.
1536
01:11:53,476 --> 01:11:56,477
But in December 2017,
1537
01:11:56,521 --> 01:11:58,896
there was a new york times
headline story,
1538
01:11:58,982 --> 01:12:01,649
front page, that said:
1539
01:12:01,693 --> 01:12:06,529
Yes, the u.S. Government
had been investigating ufos,
1540
01:12:06,614 --> 01:12:08,656
and there was
a special program for it,
1541
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:12,910
and this was not the first time
nor is it the last time.
1542
01:12:13,788 --> 01:12:17,832
Narrator:
On December 16, 2017,
1543
01:12:17,876 --> 01:12:21,294
the new york times ran
a front-page story entitled:
1544
01:12:21,379 --> 01:12:23,755
"glowing auras and black money:
1545
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,799
The pentagon's mysterious
ufo program."
1546
01:12:28,011 --> 01:12:32,680
it brought to light a top secret
u.S. Government project,
1547
01:12:32,724 --> 01:12:36,017
the advanced aerospace threat
identification program,
1548
01:12:36,061 --> 01:12:38,895
otherwise known as aatip.
1549
01:12:38,980 --> 01:12:43,608
This took the subject of ufos
out of the fringe
1550
01:12:43,693 --> 01:12:45,568
and into the mainstream.
1551
01:12:46,571 --> 01:12:49,864
For the first time, these
top-level political outlets
1552
01:12:49,949 --> 01:12:52,742
were talking about this
in a serious,
1553
01:12:52,827 --> 01:12:56,913
investigative journalist mode,
not as a joke.
1554
01:12:58,041 --> 01:13:01,959
So that was really what opened
the floodgates,
1555
01:13:02,045 --> 01:13:04,670
and revelation followed
revelation.
1556
01:13:04,756 --> 01:13:07,090
This is a completely new
ball game here.
1557
01:13:07,175 --> 01:13:10,843
We are in new
and uncharted territory.
1558
01:13:10,929 --> 01:13:14,055
Narrator:
The article reported
that in 2007,
1559
01:13:14,140 --> 01:13:16,516
without any public debate,
1560
01:13:16,601 --> 01:13:19,435
$22 million was allocated
1561
01:13:19,521 --> 01:13:23,064
from a "black money" budget
to investigate ufos.
1562
01:13:24,484 --> 01:13:26,401
But wait a minute,
wait a minute.
1563
01:13:26,444 --> 01:13:28,069
They've been investigating.
1564
01:13:28,113 --> 01:13:30,446
-Yes.
-They didn't say, "we now,
1565
01:13:30,532 --> 01:13:31,989
"as a result
of our investigation,
1566
01:13:32,075 --> 01:13:34,033
we definitively say
there are..."
1567
01:13:34,077 --> 01:13:37,745
well, that was...
That was December 2017.
1568
01:13:37,789 --> 01:13:40,998
On April 27, 2020,
1569
01:13:41,084 --> 01:13:44,919
the u.S. Government itself
admitted that, "yes,
1570
01:13:45,004 --> 01:13:49,632
"we are investigating craft,
and we do not know
1571
01:13:49,717 --> 01:13:51,467
where they are from."
1572
01:13:51,553 --> 01:13:53,970
they did not say
it is extraterrestrial,
1573
01:13:54,055 --> 01:13:55,888
-right.
-But, you know,
in a press release,
1574
01:13:55,932 --> 01:13:58,141
you have to read
between the lines.
1575
01:13:58,226 --> 01:13:59,976
I would be careful about reading
between those lines.
1576
01:14:00,061 --> 01:14:02,145
May I please finish?
1577
01:14:02,230 --> 01:14:04,439
-Oh, I love that. Argue.
-So, in order...
1578
01:14:04,482 --> 01:14:06,441
Either the u.S. Government
just admitted
1579
01:14:06,526 --> 01:14:08,734
that somebody else
on this planet
1580
01:14:08,778 --> 01:14:11,446
has better technology
than the u.S. Air force,
1581
01:14:11,531 --> 01:14:15,032
which I doubt that
they would admit this,
1582
01:14:15,118 --> 01:14:17,368
or they're pointing
to the direction
1583
01:14:17,454 --> 01:14:20,580
of a non-earthly source.
1584
01:14:21,833 --> 01:14:24,667
Narrator:
Within months of
the new york times headline,
1585
01:14:24,752 --> 01:14:27,962
extraordinary videos
associated with aatip
1586
01:14:28,006 --> 01:14:30,590
featuring
three separate ufo encounters
1587
01:14:30,675 --> 01:14:34,135
captured by infrared cameras
mounted on navy jets
1588
01:14:34,179 --> 01:14:36,137
were leaked to the public.
1589
01:14:57,702 --> 01:14:58,784
(laughs)
1590
01:14:59,704 --> 01:15:01,871
narrator:
While skeptics
initially suggested
1591
01:15:01,956 --> 01:15:03,664
the footage was not genuine,
1592
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:08,169
in 2020, the navy officially
released the same videos,
1593
01:15:08,213 --> 01:15:12,173
confirming not only
that the footage is real
1594
01:15:12,258 --> 01:15:15,468
but also that the objects
recorded were, in fact,
1595
01:15:15,553 --> 01:15:17,178
unidentified craft.
1596
01:15:19,599 --> 01:15:22,808
I've analyzed those videos,
uh, in detail,
1597
01:15:22,852 --> 01:15:26,854
and I-I will tell you that there
is no evidence in them
1598
01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:29,941
that says that it's not
our near peer adversaries,
1599
01:15:30,026 --> 01:15:31,359
like russia or china.
1600
01:15:31,444 --> 01:15:35,112
However, if russia or china
invented these devices,
1601
01:15:35,198 --> 01:15:37,573
whatever they are
in these videos,
1602
01:15:37,659 --> 01:15:41,035
then they are way ahead of us
in physics and engineering.
1603
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:43,829
And that's something
that's-- doesn't add up,
1604
01:15:43,915 --> 01:15:48,000
because you don't see the large
multibillion-dollar efforts
1605
01:15:48,086 --> 01:15:49,669
to put all of the right brains
in one location.
1606
01:15:49,754 --> 01:15:51,837
-There isn't the industry
going on there...
-Yeah.
1607
01:15:51,923 --> 01:15:55,007
-...That would make them
that superior.
-So-so that raises your eyebrow.
1608
01:15:55,093 --> 01:15:58,261
Whatever the craft is itself
is extremely cold,
1609
01:15:58,346 --> 01:16:01,722
and it looks like there's
a vacuum around this vehicle.
1610
01:16:01,766 --> 01:16:05,601
And then the vehicle makes
maneuvers that are so rapid,
1611
01:16:05,687 --> 01:16:07,562
-you would pull so many g-forces
-yeah.
1612
01:16:07,605 --> 01:16:09,814
-That it would kill any
occupants almost instantly.
-Yeah.
1613
01:16:09,899 --> 01:16:11,816
I wouldn't call that
a smoking gun, but I would say
1614
01:16:11,901 --> 01:16:14,902
that the technology
is so far advanced
1615
01:16:14,946 --> 01:16:16,654
in these videos
1616
01:16:16,739 --> 01:16:19,782
that we can't explain
how it's doing what it's doing.
1617
01:16:19,867 --> 01:16:22,577
♪ ♪
1618
01:16:25,415 --> 01:16:26,622
shatner:
This is now--
1619
01:16:26,708 --> 01:16:28,708
this is the meat.
This is the-- this is the...
1620
01:16:28,793 --> 01:16:30,960
The nut has opened up
and the kernel is here.
1621
01:16:31,045 --> 01:16:32,753
And I'm the captain.
1622
01:16:32,797 --> 01:16:34,714
-(chuckling)
-the, uh...
1623
01:16:34,757 --> 01:16:36,257
That information
1624
01:16:36,342 --> 01:16:39,135
is like...
1625
01:16:39,220 --> 01:16:41,137
Opening the can up.
1626
01:16:41,222 --> 01:16:42,888
(overlapping chatter)
1627
01:16:42,974 --> 01:16:44,223
pope:
The u.S. Navy videos,
1628
01:16:44,309 --> 01:16:45,766
-the senate
intelligence committee,
-right.
1629
01:16:45,852 --> 01:16:46,851
That's tangible.
1630
01:16:46,936 --> 01:16:48,853
Three or four things else
have happened
1631
01:16:48,938 --> 01:16:50,855
which are worthy of note here.
1632
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:54,400
Firstly, the u.S. Navy
issued instructions
1633
01:16:54,444 --> 01:16:56,944
to its own pilots
telling them what to do
1634
01:16:56,988 --> 01:16:58,821
-if they encounter these things.
-Which are what?
1635
01:16:58,906 --> 01:17:01,157
-That-- uh,
that-that's classified.
-Right.
1636
01:17:01,242 --> 01:17:03,492
-They confirmed that
they've issued the... Sure.
-Well, it's either run
1637
01:17:03,578 --> 01:17:06,287
-or fight, right?
-(overlapping chatter)
-well, no. H-hold on.
1638
01:17:06,372 --> 01:17:08,706
Let me-- let me finish.
This is important.
1639
01:17:08,791 --> 01:17:13,002
So, they've confirmed that those
instructions have been issued,
1640
01:17:13,087 --> 01:17:15,713
but they have not confirmed
what they will say.
1641
01:17:15,798 --> 01:17:17,465
In parallel with that,
1642
01:17:17,508 --> 01:17:19,425
the senate
intelligence committee
1643
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:23,262
just put into the intelligence
appropriation act
1644
01:17:23,348 --> 01:17:25,348
for fiscal year 2021
1645
01:17:25,433 --> 01:17:27,433
this demand for a report
1646
01:17:27,518 --> 01:17:28,893
from director
of national intelligence.
1647
01:17:28,978 --> 01:17:31,937
And in response to that,
1648
01:17:31,981 --> 01:17:35,900
a body called
the uap task force,
1649
01:17:35,985 --> 01:17:38,152
unidentified aerial phenomena.
1650
01:17:38,237 --> 01:17:43,240
And they released a list of 38
technical studies that they did
1651
01:17:43,326 --> 01:17:44,950
as part of this program:
1652
01:17:45,036 --> 01:17:47,953
Antigravity, wormholes,
1653
01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:49,038
warp drive.
1654
01:17:49,123 --> 01:17:50,831
But here's the smoking gun.
1655
01:17:50,875 --> 01:17:53,501
There was a paper
on the drake equation.
1656
01:17:53,544 --> 01:17:56,128
Now, the only purpose
of the drake equation
1657
01:17:56,214 --> 01:17:59,173
is to estimate the number
of communicable civilizations
1658
01:17:59,258 --> 01:18:00,341
in our galaxy.
1659
01:18:01,386 --> 01:18:03,803
Narrator:
In 1961,
1660
01:18:03,888 --> 01:18:08,224
radio astronomer frank drake
proposed a mathematical argument
1661
01:18:08,309 --> 01:18:10,226
for the likelihood
of the existence
1662
01:18:10,311 --> 01:18:14,271
of intelligent extraterrestrial
life in the galaxy.
1663
01:18:15,191 --> 01:18:17,441
Dennin: Frank drake
developed an equation
1664
01:18:17,527 --> 01:18:20,069
that took the probability
of different things happening--
1665
01:18:20,154 --> 01:18:21,570
having the right type of sun,
1666
01:18:21,656 --> 01:18:23,197
having the right type of planet,
1667
01:18:23,282 --> 01:18:25,491
how many planets and stars
there were--
1668
01:18:25,576 --> 01:18:29,829
and made an estimate
of how likely life would be.
1669
01:18:29,914 --> 01:18:31,831
John brandenburg:
The drake equation would seem
1670
01:18:31,916 --> 01:18:34,250
to logically predict
1671
01:18:34,335 --> 01:18:37,503
tens of thousands
of civilizations out there
1672
01:18:37,588 --> 01:18:41,424
that we ought to be able
to hear on radio traffic.
1673
01:18:41,509 --> 01:18:43,217
The thing with the videos--
1674
01:18:43,261 --> 01:18:44,885
there are factions
1675
01:18:44,971 --> 01:18:47,138
that probably think
it's russia or it's china
1676
01:18:47,223 --> 01:18:48,889
or it's our own tech.
1677
01:18:48,975 --> 01:18:51,267
And so it's not russia
and china.
1678
01:18:51,352 --> 01:18:53,060
Otherwise, the drake equation
wouldn't be part of that.
1679
01:18:53,104 --> 01:18:55,396
I don't know whether I've heaved
a sigh of relief or, uh,
1680
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,898
-or-or holding my breath in...
-So, let-let-let...
-But it's all...
1681
01:18:57,942 --> 01:18:59,442
-None of this is disputed.
-Taylor: Let me add to this.
1682
01:18:59,527 --> 01:19:02,236
Up until recently, if a pilot
1683
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,990
saw and reported a ufo,
it was the end of his career.
1684
01:19:06,075 --> 01:19:09,535
-Right.
-They decided he was nuts or
whatever and wasn't trustworthy
1685
01:19:09,579 --> 01:19:10,995
-or it was something
you didn't talk about.
-Mm.
1686
01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:12,371
The new protocols are,
1687
01:19:12,457 --> 01:19:14,957
while there may be pieces
that are classified to it,
1688
01:19:15,042 --> 01:19:16,459
the deal is
if you see something,
1689
01:19:16,544 --> 01:19:18,002
you have to say something to us.
1690
01:19:18,087 --> 01:19:21,088
Because if these things are
flying around in our airspace,
1691
01:19:21,174 --> 01:19:23,549
-we need to know about it.
-They destigmatized it.
1692
01:19:23,593 --> 01:19:26,177
-Yeah. That-that was the point.
-But it's okay for the pilots
to talk about.
1693
01:19:26,262 --> 01:19:30,222
I think that ancient aliens
has enabled the world
1694
01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:35,019
to talk about these topics
in a more open fashion.
1695
01:19:35,104 --> 01:19:39,190
I think that a discussion of
the extraterrestrial question,
1696
01:19:39,275 --> 01:19:41,442
the way it is conducted today,
1697
01:19:41,486 --> 01:19:44,111
-was not possible 15 years ago.
-Mm.
1698
01:19:44,155 --> 01:19:46,197
I mean, there are some on--
at-at this table
1699
01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:47,990
who have been following this,
1700
01:19:48,075 --> 01:19:50,993
including myself,
for 25-plus years.
1701
01:19:51,078 --> 01:19:54,246
-Shatner: Wow.
-And I think that ancient aliens
1702
01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:57,374
was the reason
for this paradigm shift,
1703
01:19:57,460 --> 01:19:59,960
that we blazed the trail
1704
01:20:00,004 --> 01:20:03,297
for these discussions
to go on right now
1705
01:20:03,382 --> 01:20:07,301
and for more people to come
on board with these ideas.
1706
01:20:07,345 --> 01:20:12,139
So I think that ancient aliens
has been part of disclosure.
1707
01:20:12,183 --> 01:20:14,517
Shatner:
I think it's utterly,
1708
01:20:14,602 --> 01:20:16,101
utterly fascinating.
1709
01:20:16,187 --> 01:20:19,021
And, you know,
we've been at this, uh,
1710
01:20:19,106 --> 01:20:21,607
discussion... So beautifully
1711
01:20:21,692 --> 01:20:23,484
and so connectively,
1712
01:20:23,569 --> 01:20:25,945
I feel like I-I've known you
all my life.
1713
01:20:25,988 --> 01:20:28,989
So, the through line
that I started
1714
01:20:29,075 --> 01:20:30,699
our discussion was
"convince me."
1715
01:20:30,785 --> 01:20:33,494
what I'd like to tell you is--
1716
01:20:33,579 --> 01:20:35,996
and I got a chill
just thinking about it--
1717
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:39,166
is that I feel...
(stammers)
1718
01:20:39,210 --> 01:20:42,002
I-I believe much more now
1719
01:20:42,046 --> 01:20:46,715
about what you purportedly
think of as ancient aliens.
1720
01:20:46,801 --> 01:20:49,176
I'm beginning to understand more
1721
01:20:49,262 --> 01:20:53,055
why people of your intelligence
and education
1722
01:20:53,140 --> 01:20:54,682
believe this-this-this
to be true.
1723
01:20:54,767 --> 01:20:57,351
I understand that
more completely now.
1724
01:20:57,436 --> 01:21:01,480
I am so grateful
that you imparted to me
1725
01:21:01,566 --> 01:21:04,525
and hopefully to the audience
watching the show
1726
01:21:04,569 --> 01:21:07,278
this passionate information,
1727
01:21:07,363 --> 01:21:11,991
in all its various forms that
you all individually believe.
1728
01:21:12,034 --> 01:21:15,411
It smacks of passion.
It smacks of truth.
1729
01:21:15,496 --> 01:21:18,038
It smacks of intrigue.
1730
01:21:18,082 --> 01:21:20,499
It smacks of complexity
1731
01:21:20,585 --> 01:21:24,712
and a mystery that is,
uh, unexplained.
1732
01:21:26,591 --> 01:21:27,548
Thank you.
1733
01:21:27,633 --> 01:21:29,008
-Thank you.
-Thank you, bill.
-Yeah.
1734
01:21:29,051 --> 01:21:30,718
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