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[phone rings]

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MIKE: Dani
D, what's up?

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DANIELLE: Hey Mike,
how's my lone wolf today?

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MIKE: I am doing good, I
finally got out of the traffic

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over here, and I'm making
my way over to this pick.

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DANIELLE: Awesome.

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Listen, did you get a chance
to read that email I sent you?

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MIKE: Uh, Charles Hulcher...

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developed the high-speed
camera, and...

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I'm going to ask for
a lady named Betty...?

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DANIELLE: Wow, I'm
impressed, you actually

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had your coffee this
morning, didn't ya?

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MIKE: [chuckles]
way too much coffee.

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DANIELLE: This is going to
be a really fun pick for you,

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I think you're going to like it.

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MIKE: I think I'm just
a few minutes away,

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if you want let them
know I'm-I'm close.

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DANIELLE: Yeah, I already
talked to him. They said walk

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in the front door, Betty's
going to be waiting for you.

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MIKE: Alright, thanks!

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DANIELLE: Oh hey,
one more thing -

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I have 2 appraisers
coming in today.

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We're going to get the
Beatles stuff appraised,

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and then we're also going to
have one of Robbie's friends

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come in and appraise the
Paul Stanley artwork.

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So cross your fingers, man,
let's hope we did okay.

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[laughing]

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MIKE: Alright cool.

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DANIELLE: Alright, I
will see you later.

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MIKE: Bye.

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MIKE: Driving up
to this building,

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you cannot help but notice,
the tower on top of it.

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MIKE: Betty.

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BETTY: Yes.

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MIKE: Hey.

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BETTY: Hey.

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MIKE: I'm Mike.

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BETTY: I'm Betty.

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MIKE: You talked to
Danielle on the phone?

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BETTY: It's really
nice to meet you.

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MIKE: Nice to
meet you, yeah.

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Did you guys build
this building?

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BETTY: Mr. Hulcher
did. He built-

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MIKE: 'Cause I saw on
the top when I pulled up,

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it was like a lighthouse.

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BETTY: Yeah. It had a
cupola on top.

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MIKE: Ohh okay.

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BETTY: And he built
upstairs like that so we

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could go out there and
test our cameras.

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MIKE: Really!?

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BETTY: Yeah.

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MIKE: It was more than an
architectural detail,

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it was functional.

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It was part of Charles Hulcher's
vision for his company.

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BETTY: We made high-speed
sequence cameras.

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When Mr. Hulcher first
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everybody just
went wild over it.

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BETTY: Mr. Hulcher invented
the camera in about 1952.

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MIKE: Okay.

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BETTY: Started his
business in 1954.

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MIKE: And how long
have you been here?

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BETTY: I've been
here since 1957. [laughs]

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MIKE: Really!

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BETTY: Yes.

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MIKE: Good for you,
that's awesome!

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BETTY: I was Mr. Hulcher's
right-hand man.

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[laughing]

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MIKE: That's awesome.
I love that.

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MIKE: It is so cool to me,
someone that's done

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what they loved for so
long, that they've

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devoted their life to it.

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MIKE: So I want to see
one of these cameras.

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BETTY: Okay.

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MIKE: What looks
like a very small building

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from the front, just opens
up and keeps going until

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you hit the back of
it, and then it explodes

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into this huge machine shop.

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BETTY: Gary.

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MIKE: Hey-hey!

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GARY: Hey.

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BETTY: Come here.

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TODD: Howdy.

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GARY: I started at the
company about 1969.

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The company was building a
lot of cameras back then,

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a lot of parts, and
they needed a lot of

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part-time people to make parts.

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MIKE: Hey, I'm Mike.

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GARY: Yeah.

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TODD: Todd.

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BETTY: This is Todd.

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MIKE: Todd, nice
to meet you.

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BETTY: Todd.

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MIKE: So you
guys are still,

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still tearing it up
back here, huh?

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TODD: Yes.

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GARY: Oh yeah, still
making parts, yeah.

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MIKE: Are you really?

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GARY: Oh yeah.

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MIKE: For your cameras,
or what are you doing?

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GARY: No, we don't, we actually
don't build cameras anymore,

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but we do small parts for NASA

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and a couple of
other laboratories.

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MIKE: Wow, really.

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GARY: Yeah,
oh yeah.

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MIKE: So you still have
contracts with them.

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GARY: Back in the 1950s, Mr.
Hulcher worked at NASA.

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About that same time,
we were still trying to

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put a satellite in space.

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Frequently launching rockets,

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but they were having
problems on the launch pad.

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They were blowing up.

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And Mr. Hulcher said, I can
develop a camera that will

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take pictures so fast, it'll
do stop-action photography,

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and you could see where
your problems are.

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GARY: Finally someone said,
'we'll do it.' The next rocket

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launch, it blew up, they went
back and looked at the film in

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sequence, and they could see
exactly what caused the blow-up.

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MIKE: Wow!

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GARY: Yeah.

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MIKE: That's cutting edge.

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GARY: Cutting edge, right.

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MIKE: Charles Hulcher's
vision, his purpose,

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his inspiration, was
really about forensics.

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He created something for the
space industry to visually

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analyze a problem that
the human eye never could.

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GARY: A lot of people
would think that,

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use that movie camera,

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you could go back and just
pick out a scene and use that.

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Not always possible, because
it'll most likely be blurry,

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gaps in between.

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GARY: At each
shuttle launch,

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they would set up the whole
panel of our cameras.

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All of them high-speed,
50-75 frames a second.

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MIKE: Okay.

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GARY: The film on that
cameras actually stops

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for a millionth of a
second, takes the photo,

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it advances to the next one.

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GARY: So it was absolutely
perfectly sharp.

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Movie cameras, they're not
doing what our cameras would do.

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BETTY: When the
Challenger exploded...

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MIKE: Yeah?

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BETTY: They found out
what happened by film

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that was made with our cameras.

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MIKE: Yeah...

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GARY: Yeah.

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Just so happened they
had the cameras there

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that day when it blew up.

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the pictures and they could see

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where the O-ring was separating,

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and it actually
caught on fire, yeah.

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MIKE: Wow.

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GARY: Yeah.

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MIKE: So that, that your
technology was able

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to advance their technology.

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GARY: Right.

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BETTY: Right.

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GARY: Exactly.

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MIKE: It is incredible to
think about how one man's

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vision could revolutionize
an industry.

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GARY: Back in the 1950s, I guess
the news spread pretty fast.

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The media wanted one,
the Air Force and Navy.

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camera, he retired from NASA,

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started the Charles
Hulcher Company,

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and started building the
high-speed sequence cameras.

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GARY: Back in the
'60s, normal price for

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one of them was $2,200.

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MIKE: Wow!

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GARY: And...

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BETTY: About the
same as a car then.

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MIKE: Oh yeah.

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GARY: Yeah.

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MIKE: Yeah,
absolutely.

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You were dealing with
very professional people.

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GARY: Life Magazine,
Sports Illustrated...

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MIKE: Ah I didn't
even think about that.

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GARY: Up to this time,
if you're trying to shoot

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stop-action of the guy catching
a pass, swinging a bat,

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or a golf club, it was very
little equipment to work with.

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Once the sports world found
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oh my gosh, you know I mean,
we started getting orders,

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you know, like crazy.

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We just couldn't keep up.

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MIKE: So all those images,
all those memories, you know,

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that we all kind of look back
through, and reminisce about.

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GARY: Yeah.
Oh yeah.

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MIKE: You were the
guy helping with that!

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[group laughing]

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GARY: Yeah, I was
in on that, so yeah.

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And we-we had a lot of fun
building them, you know.

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At one time, there was 30
people here making parts.

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Todd's dad, Richard,
he was shop foreman.

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BETTY: Yeah,
he was here...

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MIKE: So you kind of grew
up around this place.

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TODD: Yes, since
I was that tall.

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MIKE: Well show me around
a little bit, I'm excited.

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Let me see how you guys
make one of these things.

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GARY: Sure I'll
give you a...

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TODD: Guys,
I got to go.

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Mike, it was good meeting you.

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MIKE: Hey.

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Good to meet you too, my friend.

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GARY: We would take the blank
of aluminum, like sheet metal.

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MIKE: Uh-huh.

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GARY: Somebody would
be making the bottoms,

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somebody would be
making the tops,

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somebody would be working
on the set of gears.

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MIKE: Okay.

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GARY: Eventually, it'll
all be welded together.

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BETTY: First of all, we made the
70mm which was a wide film.

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GARY: Actually had a guy
that was a NASA engineer,

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that did all of
our wiring for us.

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BETTY: Then we started
making the 35mm because

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the 70s were so heavy,

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they just couldn't be
carried around very easily.

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And that's when these sports
people got so interested in it.

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BETTY: Who was the
guy that... that hit-

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GARY: Mark
McGwire.

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BETTY: Yeah.

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When he was going to
go for the record...

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MIKE: Yeah.

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BETTY: They would send their
cameras to us, to load them,

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and set everything, so all
they'd have to do was

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pull the trigger and
take the picture...

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MIKE: Really.

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BETTY: when
they got there.

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MIKE: Wow, they relied
on you guys that much.

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BETTY: Yes, they did.

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GARY: Sure, yeah.

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MIKE: To hear
about this first -hand,

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from the people
that were actually

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there in the place
that it happened,

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is pretty damn epic.

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MIKE: So what's
going on with that?

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You guys still using
this little cabinet here?

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GARY: This was
our drill cabinet.

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MIKE: Yeah, it's
really neat.

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GARY: Number
drills...

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MIKE: So there's still
drill bits in there.

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GARY: Yeah.

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MIKE: Are you guys
still utilizing this?

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GARY: No, we don't
use that one anymore.

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Most everybody has their
own little drill stand now.

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MIKE: Did you
make this here?

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GARY: That was
made here, yes.

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BETTY: We made
everything.

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MIKE: No kidding.
I see that.

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BETTY: [laughs]

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MIKE: Well I mean, was
that-is that something

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you'd consider selling?

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GARY: Sure yeah.

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MIKE: I mean, that's
something that

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somebody could still utilize.

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It's just got a
great look to it.

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It's worn, the paint on the
sides of it and everything.

258
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I mean, it's not big
deal to make back then,

259
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but now it's just
got so much age.

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Plus, to be honest with you,
the story of where it came from.

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GARY: True, yeah.

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MIKE: If you'd consider selling
it, so it's actually 2 pieces,

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one stacked on top of
the other, I'd pay...

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like 250 bucks, for
both cabinets, you know.

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Like 125 apiece.

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GARY: If you take the drill
bits out, we can do that.

267
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MIKE: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't
need any of the drill bits.

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GARY:
Yeah. Yeah.

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MIKE: But I would
love to have it,

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just because it's
always been here,

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and it's just got
a great look to it.

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Thank you, my friend.

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♪ ♪ ♪

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DANIELLE: Oh I'm looking
at it right now, so-yeah.

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I'll get it sent
out, alright, bye.

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DANIELLE: Hello.

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ROB: Hey, I'm Rob
from the Great Escape.

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DANIELLE: The
music guru!

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ROB: That is I.

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DANIELLE: Yeah, I've been
talking to you, that's great.

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ROB: Yes.

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DANIELLE: Okay, I have
something to show ya.

283
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So this is one of our
precious babies right here.

284
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ROB: Oh yes.

285
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DANIELLE: I'll grab
the other pieces.

286
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So here's the full collection.

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We got this in
Pennsylvania from a

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lady whose late husband
was a radio DJ.

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DANIELLE:
Check this out.

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DENISE: And here's
the poster for it.

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DANIELLE: This cover didn't make
it, because the label thought

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the subject matter was too
delicate for American audiences.

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[gasp!]
Clutches pearls.

294
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DANIELLE: If we take this and
we find out that it's worth an

295
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exorbitant amount of
money, I will contact you,

296
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and make sure to
make that right.

297
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But I feel like 1,200 is fair.

298
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DENISE: I'll do it.

299
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DANIELLE: Yeah,
oh I'm so excited.

300
00:09:12,752 --> 00:09:13,952
DENISE: Yeah,
you got a deal.

301
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ROB: This is a, a whole
package from what's

302
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known as the 'butcher cover'.

303
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Which was the Beatles -
Yesterday and Today album,

304
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that came out in 1966.

305
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The butcher cover name
comes from, obviously,

306
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the shocking picture...

307
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Danielle: [laughing]

308
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ROB: that they decided
to put on this release.

309
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When this got sent out to
radio stations and reviewers,

310
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they quickly realized they
had made a big mistake.

311
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Moms weren't going to
want to see this on

312
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their kids record player.

313
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DANIELLE: Somebody
messed up in marketing.

314
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ROB: Remember, this is the
mid-'60s, and the Beatles.

315
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DANIELLE: It's pretty macabre.

316
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ROB: Yes.

317
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Danielle: [laughs]

318
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ROB: They recalled the record,
covered up the butcher with

319
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what's known as
the 'trunk cover',

320
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which shows the band and
they're sitting on a trunk.

321
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DANIELLE: So they just
slapped some glue on it

322
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and put a different
picture on the top.

323
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ROB: Exactly.

324
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When it comes to
the butcher cover,

325
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there's 3 different versions
that we'd be looking at.

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What's known as a third state
would be a record that had

327
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this covered up, and was
peeled off, by a consumer.

328
00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:04,803
DANIELLE: Okay.

329
00:10:04,871 --> 00:10:06,605
ROB: People knew
pretty quickly that

330
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this picture was under here.

331
00:10:08,275 --> 00:10:10,875
There was an industry even
evolved loosely around peeling

332
00:10:11,078 --> 00:10:13,144
the cover off, you could
hold it over your stove-

333
00:10:13,213 --> 00:10:14,946
DANIELLE: What do you mean,
industry revolved around it-

334
00:10:15,015 --> 00:10:16,547
like people just trying to
figure out different

335
00:10:16,617 --> 00:10:18,283
ways to peel the cover?

336
00:10:18,351 --> 00:10:19,350
ROB: Yes.

337
00:10:19,419 --> 00:10:22,086
Because especially at that
time, the glue hadn't set,

338
00:10:22,155 --> 00:10:25,356
it was not terribly difficult
to get them peeled off.

339
00:10:25,425 --> 00:10:26,290
DANIELLE: Gotcha.

340
00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:27,759
ROB: The second state has
what's known as a

341
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paste-over that
was put over this.

342
00:10:30,030 --> 00:10:32,563
You'll see through the
cover, you'll see the V

343
00:10:32,633 --> 00:10:33,965
of Ringo's sweater here.

344
00:10:34,167 --> 00:10:36,233
DANIELLE: 'Cause there's
so much white on the cover.

345
00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:37,034
Okay.

346
00:10:37,103 --> 00:10:37,769
ROB: Yeah, it's a
white background,

347
00:10:37,838 --> 00:10:38,769
you can pretty clearly see it,

348
00:10:38,838 --> 00:10:40,905
especially at an
angle or with light.

349
00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:43,574
A first state is what
would come directly

350
00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:45,376
from the record label...

351
00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:46,444
DANIELLE: Yeah.

352
00:10:46,512 --> 00:10:47,846
ROB: to a reviewer
or to a radio station.

353
00:10:48,048 --> 00:10:51,783
That was done prior to
the release in 1966.

354
00:10:51,851 --> 00:10:53,518
Those are your most
valuable copies.

355
00:10:53,586 --> 00:10:54,919
DANIELLE: So it was...

356
00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:55,386
ROB: Because they never
had the paste-over.

357
00:10:55,455 --> 00:10:56,721
DANIELLE: Aha!

358
00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:58,589
That answers like,
so many questions

359
00:10:58,659 --> 00:10:59,724
I've had about all of this.

360
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ROB: In perfect
condition, you know,

361
00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:04,128
a first state and a
nice original poster,

362
00:11:04,197 --> 00:11:08,332
you're probably looking at
about a $20,000 value on this.

363
00:11:08,402 --> 00:11:09,534
DANIELLE: Ohh...

364
00:11:09,603 --> 00:11:11,002
ROB: Unfortunately, what you
have here is a third state.

365
00:11:16,809 --> 00:11:18,143
DANIELLE: Are you
sure? [laughs]

366
00:11:18,345 --> 00:11:20,078
ROB: Yeah, it's-you can tell,
I hate to be the bearer of bad

367
00:11:20,146 --> 00:11:24,149
news, but when you see the
residue here from glue,

368
00:11:24,351 --> 00:11:27,018
people would steam them over a
kettle to loosen the glue and

369
00:11:27,087 --> 00:11:30,354
peel it off, but there's
usually some telltale residue...

370
00:11:30,424 --> 00:11:31,022
DANIELLE: Okay.

371
00:11:31,090 --> 00:11:31,756
ROB: that you'll find.

372
00:11:31,958 --> 00:11:33,424
Also the issues
around the edge...

373
00:11:33,493 --> 00:11:34,893
DANIELLE: Yeah.

374
00:11:34,961 --> 00:11:35,426
ROB: are indicative
of somebody trying

375
00:11:35,495 --> 00:11:37,161
to make the peel.

376
00:11:37,230 --> 00:11:39,497
DANIELLE: Ohh, I never thought
about that, that makes sense,

377
00:11:39,566 --> 00:11:40,365
this part right here.

378
00:11:40,433 --> 00:11:40,765
ROB: Um-hm.

379
00:11:40,834 --> 00:11:42,033
DANIELLE: Okay.

380
00:11:42,235 --> 00:11:43,301
ROB: You know, any record
could have some damage on it,

381
00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:47,438
but it shows pretty clearly
to me that it has been peeled.

382
00:11:47,507 --> 00:11:48,372
DANIELLE: Okay.

383
00:11:48,442 --> 00:11:51,576
So, this one definitely
is a third state...

384
00:11:51,645 --> 00:11:52,376
ROB: In my
opinion, yes.

385
00:11:52,446 --> 00:11:54,245
DANIELLE: Okay.

386
00:11:54,313 --> 00:11:56,914
We picked this one thinking it
was a first state because the

387
00:11:56,983 --> 00:11:58,315
gentleman worked for a
local radio station...

388
00:11:58,384 --> 00:12:00,184
ROB: Um-hm.

389
00:12:00,253 --> 00:12:01,653
DANIELLE: and he got a lot
of those promotional items in

390
00:12:01,855 --> 00:12:03,788
and so we assumed
that... this...

391
00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:05,656
hah, I'll take
responsibility for this...

392
00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:06,857
ROB: That this
was one of them.

393
00:12:06,926 --> 00:12:07,525
DANIELLE: I assumed
that this would

394
00:12:07,594 --> 00:12:08,193
have been an original.

395
00:12:08,395 --> 00:12:09,727
ROB: Yes.

396
00:12:09,796 --> 00:12:10,728
But that's not the
end of the world,

397
00:12:10,797 --> 00:12:11,662
it's still a very
desirable record.

398
00:12:11,731 --> 00:12:12,931
DANIELLE: Uughh,
okay. Alright.

399
00:12:12,999 --> 00:12:15,800
ROB: Now when you look at your
poster here, unfortunately,

400
00:12:15,869 --> 00:12:18,937
you're missing the
Capitol logo here,

401
00:12:19,005 --> 00:12:21,873
which is indicative
of an original poster,

402
00:12:21,942 --> 00:12:23,741
that would have been
from that time period.

403
00:12:23,810 --> 00:12:26,076
DANIELLE: Uuhhmm...
my heart. Heh...

404
00:12:26,146 --> 00:12:29,948
ROB: This is likely something
from the, from the '70s,

405
00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:32,350
that would have been sold
in record stores, or...

406
00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:33,551
DANIELLE: Dang it.

407
00:12:33,620 --> 00:12:36,154
Okay, so you're telling me
this is also not original.

408
00:12:36,222 --> 00:12:37,688
And-and I don't, the only
reason that I question that is

409
00:12:37,757 --> 00:12:39,891
'cause we have an
original letter.

410
00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,693
ROB: Okay, yeah let's
talk about the letter.

411
00:12:42,763 --> 00:12:44,829
I haven't looked
at it too closely.

412
00:12:44,898 --> 00:12:48,833
The letter itself was
often photocopied,

413
00:12:48,902 --> 00:12:50,368
I mean, all you have
to do is go to a...

414
00:12:50,570 --> 00:12:51,169
DANIELLE: Oh stop.

415
00:12:51,371 --> 00:12:52,369
ROB: Go, go to a
photocopy machine.

416
00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:53,771
DANIELLE: How...

417
00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,973
ROB: If you look
here, the letterhead,

418
00:12:56,042 --> 00:12:59,176
see the 'Hollywood and
Vine', the printing here,

419
00:12:59,245 --> 00:13:03,381
and that the 'Executive and
General Office', how it's faded.

420
00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:05,049
DANIELLE: Yeah.

421
00:13:05,118 --> 00:13:05,716
ROB: Cut off, almost. An
original letter is going to

422
00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:07,652
have a crisp letterhead.

423
00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,987
DANIELLE: Ah...
ROB: Um...

424
00:13:10,056 --> 00:13:11,455
DANIELLE: I thought for
sure this would be legit.

425
00:13:11,524 --> 00:13:13,658
I paid 1,200 bucks.

426
00:13:13,727 --> 00:13:15,326
Will I at least see that back?

427
00:13:15,395 --> 00:13:16,528
ROB: Umm...

428
00:13:16,730 --> 00:13:17,862
I'm afraid on this deal,

429
00:13:17,931 --> 00:13:19,597
you're probably going to
lose a little bit.

430
00:13:19,666 --> 00:13:20,999
DANIELLE:
Alright, alright.

431
00:13:21,067 --> 00:13:22,734
ROB: As a collection, it's
still a nice package

432
00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:25,002
to have all 3 of these together.

433
00:13:25,071 --> 00:13:28,006
I think all together you'd
be looking at about $700.

434
00:13:28,541 --> 00:13:29,807
DANIELLE: Hooh...

435
00:13:29,876 --> 00:13:31,409
that's better than
nothing, I suppose.

436
00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:32,410
ROB: Absolutely.

437
00:13:32,612 --> 00:13:34,212
DANIELLE: This one felt
like such a secure gamble,

438
00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,082
I- and I-I wish I had this
knowledge before I picked it.

439
00:13:38,151 --> 00:13:39,083
ROB: Well, you'll know the
next time you're out there.

440
00:13:39,152 --> 00:13:40,351
DANIELLE: Right. We
pay for our education.

441
00:13:40,419 --> 00:13:41,753
At least...

442
00:13:41,955 --> 00:13:43,888
look it's still history,
it's the Beatles.

443
00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:46,558
It's a cool story, just even
to be in the shop,

444
00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,092
you know, to put it together.

445
00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:48,893
ROB: Oh it'll be, it's great
to have it in the shop.

446
00:13:48,961 --> 00:13:50,694
DANIELLE: Rob,
thank you so much.

447
00:13:50,763 --> 00:13:51,896
It wasn't what I
wanted to hear...

448
00:13:52,098 --> 00:13:53,698
DANIELLE: but I
appreciate your knowledge.

449
00:13:53,766 --> 00:13:54,632
ROB: You bet.
Happy to help.

450
00:13:54,701 --> 00:13:56,000
DANIELLE: I'll
walk you out.

451
00:13:56,435 --> 00:14:00,037
♪ ♪ ♪

452
00:14:00,106 --> 00:14:01,439
MIKE: Do you have any of
the cameras that I can see?

453
00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:02,774
GARY: Back this way.

454
00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:03,574
MIKE: So what was
his background?

455
00:14:03,643 --> 00:14:04,308
Was he a photographer?

456
00:14:04,377 --> 00:14:05,843
BETTY: No.

457
00:14:05,912 --> 00:14:07,845
BETTY: He really
wasn't a photographer.

458
00:14:07,914 --> 00:14:09,113
GARY: He was a
tinkerer, an inventor.

459
00:14:09,182 --> 00:14:11,716
He had lots of little projects
he was always working on.

460
00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:12,784
MIKE: Here's one
of your bodies,

461
00:14:12,852 --> 00:14:13,918
this is what you
were talking about.

462
00:14:13,987 --> 00:14:15,386
GARY: That's one of
the bodies right there.

463
00:14:15,588 --> 00:14:16,320
Not-not complete...

464
00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:17,588
MIKE: Yeah.

465
00:14:17,657 --> 00:14:18,590
GARY: missing a few things.

466
00:14:18,792 --> 00:14:20,592
MIKE: After hearing about
the cameras for so long,

467
00:14:20,794 --> 00:14:22,192
I finally get one in my hands.

468
00:14:22,262 --> 00:14:24,862
You can really feel the weight
and the engineering behind it.

469
00:14:24,931 --> 00:14:27,665
GARY: That's probably
about 1958 or '59.

470
00:14:27,734 --> 00:14:28,332
MIKE: Oh, really
it's that early.

471
00:14:28,401 --> 00:14:30,067
GARY: Yeah.

472
00:14:30,136 --> 00:14:32,336
Some of these cameras, we
sold to the golf magazines.

473
00:14:32,405 --> 00:14:33,270
MIKE: Okay.

474
00:14:33,339 --> 00:14:34,339
So if I pull this
button, it clicks once.

475
00:14:34,541 --> 00:14:36,607
GARY: If you hold the button,
you're probably doing...

476
00:14:36,676 --> 00:14:38,409
50 shots in one second.

477
00:14:38,477 --> 00:14:39,677
MIKE: Really!?

478
00:14:39,746 --> 00:14:40,812
GARY: Yeah.
That's on film.

479
00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,614
MIKE: Okay. If
somebody's swinging,

480
00:14:42,816 --> 00:14:45,683
they just...
boom. That's...

481
00:14:45,885 --> 00:14:46,684
GARY: And then
you're out of film.

482
00:14:46,752 --> 00:14:47,351
MIKE: I'm out of
film right then?

483
00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:48,887
GARY: Right then.

484
00:14:49,089 --> 00:14:49,420
MIKE: And then I got to
send this back to you.

485
00:14:49,489 --> 00:14:49,887
GARY: Yeah, yeah.

486
00:14:49,956 --> 00:14:50,754
Mike: [laughs]

487
00:14:50,823 --> 00:14:52,557
MIKE: Here's another
handheld one.

488
00:14:52,625 --> 00:14:53,624
And what am I doing here?

489
00:14:53,693 --> 00:14:55,493
So this is a sight-finder here.

490
00:14:55,561 --> 00:14:56,227
GARY: Sight-finder.

491
00:14:56,429 --> 00:14:57,495
MIKE: Yep.

492
00:14:57,564 --> 00:14:59,364
GARY: You're, you're riding
in a small airplane right now.

493
00:14:59,432 --> 00:15:00,230
MIKE: Okay.

494
00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:02,366
GARY: About 4-500
feet off the ground.

495
00:15:02,435 --> 00:15:03,368
MIKE: Alright.

496
00:15:03,436 --> 00:15:04,235
GARY: And you're picking
out things to shoot.

497
00:15:04,437 --> 00:15:05,770
MIKE: Wow.

498
00:15:05,838 --> 00:15:06,638
MIKE: First I'm
on a golf course.

499
00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,307
Then I'm up in a small airplane.

500
00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:10,975
I love this guy.

501
00:15:11,043 --> 00:15:12,643
MIKE: So it's so cool,
because you know I mean,

502
00:15:12,712 --> 00:15:13,844
over the years, obviously,

503
00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:14,312
I've found old cameras
before, you know.

504
00:15:14,381 --> 00:15:15,913
GARY: Yeah.

505
00:15:15,982 --> 00:15:16,981
MIKE: But I've never
found one of these,

506
00:15:17,049 --> 00:15:17,915
I've never seen one of
these, just because it

507
00:15:17,984 --> 00:15:19,316
was so expensive and it
was commercial use.

508
00:15:19,385 --> 00:15:20,718
GARY: Yeah.

509
00:15:20,787 --> 00:15:22,053
MIKE: Did you guys
design this grip?

510
00:15:22,121 --> 00:15:24,855
GARY: These are WW-2
aircraft machine gun handles.

511
00:15:24,925 --> 00:15:26,524
MIKE: So you guys were
buying old surplus,

512
00:15:26,726 --> 00:15:27,591
these old machine gun...?

513
00:15:27,660 --> 00:15:28,792
GARY: Mr. Hulcher bought
them from the Navy and

514
00:15:28,861 --> 00:15:30,395
the Air Force, but
get them in boxes.

515
00:15:30,597 --> 00:15:31,862
Mike: [laughs] Yeah.

516
00:15:31,931 --> 00:15:32,730
GARY: Although the boxes,
they're packed-

517
00:15:32,798 --> 00:15:34,532
they're packed in
1943 newspapers.

518
00:15:34,734 --> 00:15:36,067
MIKE: Yeah.
GARY: Yeah.

519
00:15:36,135 --> 00:15:38,002
MIKE: That's cool you were
able to repurpose them.

520
00:15:38,071 --> 00:15:39,337
GARY: With the same
trigger switch... why not...

521
00:15:39,539 --> 00:15:40,605
MIKE: Yeah, yeah.

522
00:15:40,673 --> 00:15:41,739
The same trigger switch.

523
00:15:41,808 --> 00:15:42,740
GARY: Same trigger
switch. Yeah.

524
00:15:42,809 --> 00:15:43,874
[Mike makes machine gun noises}

525
00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:45,543
MIKE: It's still shooting
fast, but it's...

526
00:15:45,611 --> 00:15:46,543
MIKE & GARY:
[laughs]

527
00:15:46,612 --> 00:15:48,079
MIKE: it's shooting film!
That's super cool.

528
00:15:48,147 --> 00:15:51,015
MIKE: I love the way Charles
Hulcher's mind worked.

529
00:15:51,084 --> 00:15:52,816
If he didn't need to make
it, and he could repurpose

530
00:15:52,885 --> 00:15:54,685
something, then that's
what he would do.

531
00:15:55,021 --> 00:15:56,688
GARY: There was one
other company that built

532
00:15:56,890 --> 00:15:59,023
a high-speed camera,
but it was huge.

533
00:15:59,092 --> 00:16:01,759
Not something you could carry
around to a sports site.

534
00:16:01,828 --> 00:16:04,561
Mostly for scientific
use in labs.

535
00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:05,563
BETTY: Very
expensive.

536
00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:06,563
GARY: Very
expensive.

537
00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:07,765
You're talking 10 times
what ours cost, yeah.

538
00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:10,701
Mr. Hulcher, he could
see how to move

539
00:16:10,770 --> 00:16:12,003
the film faster than anybody.

540
00:16:25,118 --> 00:16:26,851
MIKE: Sure there were other
high-speed cameras around

541
00:16:27,053 --> 00:16:29,119
before Hulcher, but they
were either too massive,

542
00:16:29,188 --> 00:16:32,923
or they burned through way
too much film. His genius was

543
00:16:32,993 --> 00:16:34,992
making one that was both
portable and practical.

544
00:16:35,061 --> 00:16:38,662
And because of that, it
became the gold standard.

545
00:16:38,999 --> 00:16:40,798
MIKE: This is kind of
the bone yard right here,

546
00:16:40,866 --> 00:16:41,532
but do you have any
cameras that are

547
00:16:41,734 --> 00:16:42,734
more complete than this?

548
00:16:42,936 --> 00:16:43,267
GARY: Sure, let's
go up to the attic.

549
00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:45,003
MIKE: Okay.

550
00:16:46,072 --> 00:16:46,738
BETTY: Tell you what, you
all go up in the attic,

551
00:16:46,940 --> 00:16:48,673
it's too hot up there for me.

552
00:16:48,741 --> 00:16:49,406
MIKE: Okay. [laughs]
Okay.

553
00:16:49,475 --> 00:16:52,810
[phone ringing]

554
00:16:52,878 --> 00:16:53,678
DANIELLE: Hey,
what's up, brother?

555
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:54,545
ROBBIE (ON PHONE):
What's going on?

556
00:16:54,613 --> 00:16:55,412
Are you in the shop?

557
00:16:55,481 --> 00:16:56,948
DANIELLE: Yeah.

558
00:16:57,016 --> 00:16:57,615
ROBBIE (ON PHONE): Okay.
This Tom Noonan guy

559
00:16:57,684 --> 00:16:59,683
has been blowing my phone up

560
00:16:59,752 --> 00:17:02,153
about that Paul Stanley stuff.

561
00:17:02,221 --> 00:17:03,888
MIKE: So this is the original
piece of artwork that they

562
00:17:03,956 --> 00:17:06,356
drew before they actually
made the piece.

563
00:17:06,426 --> 00:17:07,358
WAYNE: Right.

564
00:17:07,427 --> 00:17:08,358
MIKE: Alright, so there's
2 of them, and then...

565
00:17:08,428 --> 00:17:08,893
WAYNE: I have-

566
00:17:09,095 --> 00:17:09,961
MIKE: the other one.

567
00:17:10,163 --> 00:17:10,894
ROBBIE: We'll have to
climb up there and get it.

568
00:17:10,963 --> 00:17:11,695
MIKE: We'll have to
climb up and get.

569
00:17:11,764 --> 00:17:12,630
DANIELLE: Like
what do you mean,

570
00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:14,165
blowing your phone up about it?

571
00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:15,366
ROBBIE (ON PHONE): I don't
know if that's good news or if

572
00:17:15,434 --> 00:17:17,568
that's bad news, but he said
he's an hour away from you.

573
00:17:17,637 --> 00:17:18,836
He just sent me a text,

574
00:17:18,905 --> 00:17:20,638
he's wanting to make
sure you were there.

575
00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,173
DANIELLE: Nice.
Okay perfect.

576
00:17:22,242 --> 00:17:24,709
So he'll be here in about an
hour, I'm here right now, yeah.

577
00:17:24,777 --> 00:17:26,043
I'll be here all
day. I just...

578
00:17:26,112 --> 00:17:29,713
I just finished up this
appraisal for the Beatles -

579
00:17:29,782 --> 00:17:31,315
Yesterday and Today collection.

580
00:17:31,518 --> 00:17:32,983
ROBBIE: Yeah?

581
00:17:33,053 --> 00:17:34,652
DANIELLE: Yeah. You want to
hear some news on it?

582
00:17:34,854 --> 00:17:36,053
ROBBIE: Let's hear
the good news.

583
00:17:36,122 --> 00:17:37,454
DANIELLE: No, it's really
not good at all, actually.

584
00:17:37,523 --> 00:17:40,658
We took a hit, man.

585
00:17:40,860 --> 00:17:43,127
ROBBIE: What do
you mean by 'we'?

586
00:17:43,195 --> 00:17:44,529
ROBBIE: If I was a Beatles
guy, I'd have to have this.

587
00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:45,863
DANIELLE:
Absolutely. Same.

588
00:17:46,065 --> 00:17:46,864
ROBBIE: I'd just have
to have it, you know.

589
00:17:46,933 --> 00:17:48,332
DANIELLE: I really think
we could get 2,000.

590
00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:50,201
ROBBIE: Yeah.

591
00:17:50,269 --> 00:17:53,337
ROB: I think all together,
you'd be looking at about $700.

592
00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:54,872
DANIELLE: Hooh...

593
00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:56,741
DANIELLE: Yeah,
I took a dive. It sucks.

594
00:17:56,809 --> 00:17:58,543
It's not good.
I'm about to cry.

595
00:17:58,745 --> 00:17:59,743
I feel bad about myself.

596
00:17:59,812 --> 00:18:00,744
ROBBIE (ON PHONE):
Well, don't cry.

597
00:18:00,814 --> 00:18:02,012
Mistakes are made
every day, I mean,

598
00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,548
hey that's part of picking,
that's Picking 101,

599
00:18:04,617 --> 00:18:05,549
that's how you learn.

600
00:18:05,618 --> 00:18:07,685
DANIELLE: It hurts! It
hurts! I don't like it!

601
00:18:07,754 --> 00:18:08,753
ROBBIE (ON PHONE):
I know it hurts.

602
00:18:08,821 --> 00:18:10,621
Hopefully Tom Noonan can lighten

603
00:18:10,689 --> 00:18:12,089
your day a little bit more.

604
00:18:12,158 --> 00:18:13,157
DANIELLE: Nah, you know what,
you're absolutely right.

605
00:18:13,225 --> 00:18:15,025
We'll talk to him about
the Paul Stanley stuff.

606
00:18:15,095 --> 00:18:16,561
ROBBIE (ON PHONE): Let me
know how things go with Tom.

607
00:18:16,763 --> 00:18:17,761
I got to get back to work.

608
00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:18,696
DANIELLE: Thanks
for cheering me up.

609
00:18:18,898 --> 00:18:19,763
I love ya, I'll
talk to you later.

610
00:18:19,832 --> 00:18:19,997
ROBBIE (ON PHONE):
See ya, sister.

611
00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:27,371
♪ ♪ ♪

612
00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,705
DANIELLE: Tom?

613
00:18:28,774 --> 00:18:29,773
Oh... I'm so happy
to see you.

614
00:18:29,842 --> 00:18:33,043
TOM: Dani, great
to see you. You too.

615
00:18:33,113 --> 00:18:34,779
DANIELLE: Oh please tell me
you got good news for me,

616
00:18:34,847 --> 00:18:36,314
because we really
took a hit and...

617
00:18:36,516 --> 00:18:38,115
I need a win.

618
00:18:38,184 --> 00:18:39,783
TOM: I've seen the pictures,
I really love what I see.

619
00:18:39,852 --> 00:18:40,651
I can't wait to
see them in person.

620
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,986
DANIELLE: Okay,
let's go. Heh.

621
00:18:43,055 --> 00:18:44,788
DANIELLE: So how long have
you been knowing Robbie?

622
00:18:44,858 --> 00:18:45,856
TOM: I've known him
for quite a while.

623
00:18:45,925 --> 00:18:47,591
I bought a sign from
him, a Griesedieck sign.

624
00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:49,193
And I put it in my brewery.

625
00:18:49,262 --> 00:18:51,395
It's actually a brewery-museum.
I'm a collector of breweriana.

626
00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:52,396
DANIELLE: Yeah.

627
00:18:52,464 --> 00:18:53,864
TOM: Beer stuff.

628
00:18:53,933 --> 00:18:55,133
I've been doing it
for about 50 years.

629
00:18:55,335 --> 00:18:56,801
DANIELLE: Oh. So you've been
knowing him long enough for him

630
00:18:56,869 --> 00:18:58,736
to owe you some
money then, right?

631
00:18:58,938 --> 00:18:59,470
TOM: Pretty much,
yeah, yeah, yeah...

632
00:18:59,538 --> 00:19:00,538
DANIELLE: [laughs]

633
00:19:00,607 --> 00:19:01,872
TOM: Oh wow, look
at this.

634
00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:02,339
DANIELLE: Well,
you'll love this one.

635
00:19:02,408 --> 00:19:03,207
TOM: Oh yes.

636
00:19:03,275 --> 00:19:04,008
DANIELLE: This is
the Lone Star one.

637
00:19:04,077 --> 00:19:05,542
TOM: This is great.
It's concept art.

638
00:19:05,611 --> 00:19:06,544
MIKE: What
are these?

639
00:19:06,612 --> 00:19:08,879
WAYNE: Paul Stanley,
hand-painted drawings.

640
00:19:08,948 --> 00:19:10,681
MIKE: If you're an
advertising collector,

641
00:19:10,749 --> 00:19:12,749
you know who Paul Stanley is.

642
00:19:12,818 --> 00:19:14,818
WAYNE: He made
advertisements that

643
00:19:14,888 --> 00:19:16,887
were all mechanical,
some 6, 7 feet tall.

644
00:19:16,956 --> 00:19:18,689
MIKE: So how large was
this original piece?

645
00:19:18,757 --> 00:19:20,624
WAYNE: Uh, stand
about that high.

646
00:19:20,693 --> 00:19:22,359
What do you offer for the 3?

647
00:19:22,428 --> 00:19:23,427
MIKE: 900 bucks.

648
00:19:23,630 --> 00:19:24,562
WAYNE:
That's fine.

649
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:25,163
ROBBIE:
That'd work?

650
00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:25,563
MIKE: You want
to do that?

651
00:19:25,765 --> 00:19:26,297
300 apiece?

652
00:19:26,366 --> 00:19:27,097
WAYNE: Yeah.
ROBBIE: Alright.

653
00:19:27,167 --> 00:19:27,564
MIKE: Okay,
brother, thank you.

654
00:19:27,633 --> 00:19:28,832
ROBBIE: Awesome.

655
00:19:28,902 --> 00:19:29,567
TOM: The Paul Stanley
Company, you know,

656
00:19:29,769 --> 00:19:30,635
was a motion display company.

657
00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:32,903
Out of San Francisco,
founded in like the 1940s.

658
00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:35,973
They operated until
about the late 1960s,

659
00:19:36,042 --> 00:19:37,441
and they made these big
motion display pieces,

660
00:19:37,644 --> 00:19:38,375
point-of-sale pieces.

661
00:19:38,444 --> 00:19:39,977
DANIELLE: Right.

662
00:19:40,046 --> 00:19:40,578
TOM: They made them for
Lone Star, and Hamms,

663
00:19:40,646 --> 00:19:41,979
and even Burgie Beer.

664
00:19:42,048 --> 00:19:44,048
They're very large, kind
of hard to move around.

665
00:19:44,116 --> 00:19:44,982
DANIELLE: How large? Like
how big are we talking?

666
00:19:45,050 --> 00:19:46,383
TOM: Well some of them
were 10 feet tall.

667
00:19:46,452 --> 00:19:46,984
DANIELLE: Whoa!

668
00:19:47,052 --> 00:19:48,185
TOM: Right.
I think-

669
00:19:48,254 --> 00:19:49,720
DANIELLE: So basically you'd
walk into the grocery store,

670
00:19:49,789 --> 00:19:51,656
and you'd see this monkey on top

671
00:19:51,724 --> 00:19:52,923
of this Lone Star beer can...

672
00:19:52,992 --> 00:19:55,326
TOM: Right. Now this sat
on a mass beer stack.

673
00:19:55,528 --> 00:19:56,794
DANIELLE: Yeah.

674
00:19:56,996 --> 00:19:57,528
TOM: So this sat on
top of probably all

675
00:19:57,596 --> 00:19:58,529
these cases of beer.

676
00:19:58,731 --> 00:19:59,263
DANIELLE: And it would be,
it would be going around.

677
00:19:59,332 --> 00:19:59,797
TOM: It'd be
going around.

678
00:19:59,865 --> 00:20:01,198
DANIELLE: Yeah.

679
00:20:01,267 --> 00:20:02,132
TOM: And they would move it
around to different stores too.

680
00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:03,667
DANIELLE: Would they
have made one of the

681
00:20:03,736 --> 00:20:06,737
monkey and the...
on the beer can?

682
00:20:06,806 --> 00:20:07,604
Or would they have
made multiples?

683
00:20:07,673 --> 00:20:08,606
TOM: They made
multiples.

684
00:20:08,674 --> 00:20:09,673
DANIELLE:
Okay, gotcha.

685
00:20:09,742 --> 00:20:11,008
TOM: I believe
maybe 10 to 30.

686
00:20:11,076 --> 00:20:12,743
I've seen the Hamms, but
I've not seen this one.

687
00:20:12,811 --> 00:20:13,610
A lot of them didn't survive.

688
00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:14,811
That's why I love these.

689
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,680
DANIELLE: It's great
that you can have

690
00:20:15,748 --> 00:20:18,349
3 completely separate brands.

691
00:20:18,417 --> 00:20:19,217
TOM: Right.

692
00:20:19,419 --> 00:20:20,417
DANIELLE: Yet they all
look like a family.

693
00:20:20,486 --> 00:20:21,285
They feel like a family, you
know what I mean, like...

694
00:20:21,354 --> 00:20:22,687
TOM: Right.

695
00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:23,621
DANIELLE: You can
tell that the same

696
00:20:23,823 --> 00:20:25,355
Paul Stanley Company did all 3.

697
00:20:25,424 --> 00:20:26,824
TOM:
You can.

698
00:20:27,026 --> 00:20:27,958
When I first saw them,
I thought they were

699
00:20:28,027 --> 00:20:30,761
watercolor, but they
look like color pencil.

700
00:20:30,829 --> 00:20:32,563
They actually have
the whirl marks,

701
00:20:32,765 --> 00:20:34,031
and actually how they move.

702
00:20:34,100 --> 00:20:36,100
This is the artist conception
of this idea, right?

703
00:20:36,168 --> 00:20:38,836
The brain-child for them to
come up with this display

704
00:20:39,038 --> 00:20:40,971
piece that they built
and put in a store.

705
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,707
This is a concept piece
that they drew for the

706
00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:44,642
Paul Stanley Company
and to pitch it.

707
00:20:44,711 --> 00:20:45,976
DANIELLE: That's
incredible, man.

708
00:20:46,045 --> 00:20:48,979
It's... this is really just
the first step,

709
00:20:49,048 --> 00:20:52,917
just one little piece to
this huge long process,

710
00:20:52,985 --> 00:20:56,120
of this actually being
made into a statue.

711
00:20:56,189 --> 00:20:58,055
TOM: Correct. This goes into
another category for collectors,

712
00:20:58,124 --> 00:21:00,324
that it's artwork, and not
just an advertising piece.

713
00:21:00,526 --> 00:21:01,992
'Cause it's both.

714
00:21:02,061 --> 00:21:02,660
You know, it's artwork
for an advertising piece,

715
00:21:02,729 --> 00:21:04,462
which makes them so unique.

716
00:21:04,664 --> 00:21:05,395
Like this piece here.

717
00:21:05,464 --> 00:21:06,530
DANIELLE: Yeah.

718
00:21:06,598 --> 00:21:08,865
TOM: Right? Now, I've seen
this display, in shows.

719
00:21:08,934 --> 00:21:12,069
I've seen this large bear
with the Hamms.

720
00:21:12,138 --> 00:21:14,672
The one I've seen though,
actually, these are all red,

721
00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:16,741
the bear's got a red scarf,

722
00:21:16,943 --> 00:21:18,342
and these are all
different creatures.

723
00:21:18,544 --> 00:21:19,810
DANIELLE: Yeah.

724
00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:20,678
TOM: This drawing
might not have been

725
00:21:20,746 --> 00:21:22,213
made exactly the way it is.

726
00:21:22,415 --> 00:21:24,949
And this display piece, there's
probably 10 of those out there.

727
00:21:25,017 --> 00:21:25,749
DANIELLE: Oh, the actual
large display piece.

728
00:21:25,818 --> 00:21:26,417
TOM: The actual
large display piece.

729
00:21:26,485 --> 00:21:27,684
DANIELLE: Okay.

730
00:21:27,753 --> 00:21:28,819
TOM: With the guy
spinning around.

731
00:21:28,888 --> 00:21:30,954
This artwork, there's
only one of these.

732
00:21:31,024 --> 00:21:33,290
DANIELLE: [gasp] That hits
home. That hits home.

733
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,625
TOM: Yeah.

734
00:21:34,827 --> 00:21:35,893
DANIELLE: I want
a number on it.

735
00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:37,895
TOM: Now this one is probably
the most valuable of the 3,

736
00:21:37,964 --> 00:21:40,164
because of the loyalty
of the Hamms collectors.

737
00:21:40,232 --> 00:21:42,433
It's a little rough, but it's
amazing that it's still...

738
00:21:42,501 --> 00:21:43,167
DANIELLE: Yeah.

739
00:21:43,369 --> 00:21:44,368
TOM: that it's
still even around.

740
00:21:44,437 --> 00:21:48,038
I would say anywhere from
the low value of around 700,

741
00:21:48,107 --> 00:21:50,774
and it could go as much as
1,000 in a-in an auction,

742
00:21:50,843 --> 00:21:52,443
because of all the
Hamms collectors.

743
00:21:52,511 --> 00:21:53,577
DANIELLE: Okay.

744
00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:55,112
TOM: If you find the guy that
owns this actual display,

745
00:21:55,181 --> 00:21:57,048
he has it somewhere in his
house and he wants the actual

746
00:21:57,250 --> 00:22:01,385
design of that piece, this
guy's living it on this one.

747
00:22:01,454 --> 00:22:02,186
DANIELLE: Awesome.

748
00:22:02,255 --> 00:22:04,388
TOM: Now this one,
the Lone Star.

749
00:22:04,457 --> 00:22:05,389
DANIELLE: Yeah.

750
00:22:05,458 --> 00:22:08,058
TOM: Who doesn't like
a chimpanzee in a tutu,

751
00:22:08,127 --> 00:22:10,528
on roller-skates, circling
around a beer can, right?

752
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:11,862
DANIELLE: I
know, right?

753
00:22:12,064 --> 00:22:14,931
TOM: So in my opinion,
this would be 5, $600.

754
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,400
DANIELLE: So a lot of
this breweriana stuff

755
00:22:16,602 --> 00:22:17,334
is regional, right?

756
00:22:17,403 --> 00:22:18,402
TOM: Right.

757
00:22:18,471 --> 00:22:19,736
DANIELLE: So I can just
imagine what this would

758
00:22:19,805 --> 00:22:22,406
go for in Texas as
opposed to Iowa.

759
00:22:22,608 --> 00:22:23,808
TOM: Correct. Right.

760
00:22:23,876 --> 00:22:25,743
If this was in a Texas auction,
it would be considerably more.

761
00:22:25,945 --> 00:22:27,678
DANIELLE: Good to
know, good to know.

762
00:22:27,747 --> 00:22:29,347
TOM: Now the last
one over here...

763
00:22:29,549 --> 00:22:30,080
DANIELLE: Yeah.

764
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:30,748
TOM: The Hills
Brothers.

765
00:22:30,816 --> 00:22:31,482
DANIELLE:
Hills Brothers.

766
00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:32,015
TOM: The
little bandit.

767
00:22:32,084 --> 00:22:32,750
DANIELLE: Yeah.

768
00:22:32,819 --> 00:22:33,951
TOM: Yeah, I'm
not a coffee guy,

769
00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:35,419
but I know some coffee
people, so I love this piec.

770
00:22:35,487 --> 00:22:36,353
DANIELLE: Yeah.

771
00:22:36,422 --> 00:22:37,088
TOM: I love it, I mean,
it's in great shape.

772
00:22:37,290 --> 00:22:37,821
DANIELLE:
The colors. [whistles]

773
00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:38,622
TOM: Look at
this little guy.

774
00:22:38,691 --> 00:22:40,357
Now, I saw these
little arrows...

775
00:22:40,426 --> 00:22:41,758
DANIELLE: Yeah.

776
00:22:41,827 --> 00:22:42,893
TOM: And I thought,
what's he do?

777
00:22:42,961 --> 00:22:45,095
Well down here, the
best part, it says,

778
00:22:45,164 --> 00:22:50,034
'figure rotates 360 at 6 RPM.'
So basically, he rotates,

779
00:22:50,236 --> 00:22:52,436
and he goes down in the can,
so all you see is his hat.

780
00:22:52,505 --> 00:22:53,570
DANIELLE: Yes! Ah!

781
00:22:53,639 --> 00:22:54,905
TOM: I love
this piece.

782
00:22:54,974 --> 00:22:56,707
And I have not been
able to find this piece

783
00:22:56,909 --> 00:22:58,642
anywhere in terms of
being out there.

784
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:59,577
DANIELLE: The
act-yeah.

785
00:22:59,645 --> 00:23:00,778
TOM: The
actual piece.

786
00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:01,979
So I do not know if
it exists or not.

787
00:23:02,048 --> 00:23:04,315
So this could be rarest
of the bunch because...

788
00:23:04,517 --> 00:23:05,315
DANIELLE: Wow.

789
00:23:05,385 --> 00:23:06,450
TOM: it might not
even have been produced.

790
00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,919
But there's not a lot of
coffee collectors out there.

791
00:23:08,987 --> 00:23:10,521
They're not as crazy
as us breweriana guys,

792
00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:12,122
but I love this piece.

793
00:23:12,191 --> 00:23:13,924
TOM: Now, this one, I don't
believe this display was ever

794
00:23:13,993 --> 00:23:15,792
built. So it's really
hard to give a value.

795
00:23:15,861 --> 00:23:19,463
But I think conservatively
4 to $500.

796
00:23:19,531 --> 00:23:20,330
DANIELLE: Alright.

797
00:23:20,399 --> 00:23:21,465
I mean, shoot, we're
doing better today

798
00:23:21,534 --> 00:23:23,133
than we did earlier.

799
00:23:23,202 --> 00:23:26,537
So like, conservatively, 1,600
for all of it then, right?

800
00:23:26,605 --> 00:23:28,138
TOM: Yes. I think so.

801
00:23:28,207 --> 00:23:29,473
DANIELLE: I got to tell you
like, 1,600 for all of it,

802
00:23:29,541 --> 00:23:30,207
we paid 900 bucks.

803
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:30,941
TOM: Yes.

804
00:23:31,010 --> 00:23:31,808
DANIELLE: We
come out on top.

805
00:23:31,877 --> 00:23:33,744
That's a win and
I'm happy with that.

806
00:23:33,813 --> 00:23:35,079
And I'm super
stoked you came out.

807
00:23:35,147 --> 00:23:36,947
TOM: Well great, it's great
being here and I love

808
00:23:37,016 --> 00:23:38,549
seeing these, and they're
even better in person.

809
00:23:38,618 --> 00:23:40,985
DANIELLE:
Yeah! Awesome.

810
00:23:42,421 --> 00:23:46,624
♪ ♪ ♪

811
00:23:46,826 --> 00:23:47,625
GARY: It's kind
of cluttered.

812
00:23:47,693 --> 00:23:48,559
MIKE: Yeah,
I like that.

813
00:23:48,628 --> 00:23:49,960
MIKE: The Hulcher camera
started a renaissance in

814
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:53,764
photography. It evolved
from forensics to art.

815
00:23:53,832 --> 00:23:55,032
GARY: This is the
camera graveyard.

816
00:23:55,234 --> 00:23:57,768
MIKE: Oh here's the bodies
for them. Look at all these.

817
00:23:57,837 --> 00:23:58,569
MIKE: And then
had ripple effects in

818
00:23:58,637 --> 00:24:00,304
almost every industry.

819
00:24:00,373 --> 00:24:01,839
MIKE: Whoa!

820
00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:03,507
GARY: You could probably
take 2 or 3 of these

821
00:24:03,576 --> 00:24:04,842
and make one good one.

822
00:24:04,910 --> 00:24:07,511
MIKE: This whole
process was in-house.

823
00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:09,112
MIKE: Exposure
chart.

824
00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:11,715
MIKE: Making every gear and
every part of the camera...

825
00:24:11,918 --> 00:24:13,784
MIKE: View finder
parts, here we go.

826
00:24:13,853 --> 00:24:15,719
MIKE: And they're the
ones who designed

827
00:24:15,922 --> 00:24:18,455
it and built it, all
under one roof.

828
00:24:18,657 --> 00:24:19,390
MIKE: Okay,
well here.

829
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:20,257
GARY: Alright.

830
00:24:20,326 --> 00:24:20,657
MIKE: What can you
tell me about that?

831
00:24:20,726 --> 00:24:21,992
That's cool.

832
00:24:22,061 --> 00:24:23,394
GARY: It's a Hulcher 70.
It was one of our first...

833
00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:23,927
MIKE: Whoa...

834
00:24:23,996 --> 00:24:24,795
GARY: 70mm
cameras.

835
00:24:24,997 --> 00:24:26,864
This was probably
owned by a newspaper.

836
00:24:26,933 --> 00:24:28,799
MIKE: Why would you
end up with this back?

837
00:24:29,001 --> 00:24:30,200
GARY: This thing probably
weighs 50 pounds.

838
00:24:30,269 --> 00:24:32,069
[laughs]

839
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:32,870
MIKE: I know. That's why I
got my leg up under it!

840
00:24:32,938 --> 00:24:33,737
GARY: We came out
with a smaller,

841
00:24:33,806 --> 00:24:35,005
lighter version of
the same camera.

842
00:24:35,074 --> 00:24:37,208
MIKE: So would you allow
them to trade this in then?

843
00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:39,009
GARY: No.

844
00:24:39,078 --> 00:24:41,011
GARY: Of all the times when
Sports Illustrated or

845
00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:43,948
New York Times or anybody
that has our cameras,

846
00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:45,683
after they had them
awhile, we often come

847
00:24:45,751 --> 00:24:46,750
out with a new version of it.

848
00:24:46,819 --> 00:24:48,886
A wider version,
easier to use version.

849
00:24:48,955 --> 00:24:51,021
GARY: They would actually
buy the new camera,

850
00:24:51,089 --> 00:24:52,556
and then they'd eventually
send us back and say,

851
00:24:52,758 --> 00:24:54,358
'would you store
it for us.'

852
00:24:55,027 --> 00:24:56,360
MIKE: Ohh... okay. And
that just went... yeah.

853
00:24:56,429 --> 00:24:57,761
GARY: But then...

854
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:58,829
then they never
asked for it back.

855
00:24:59,031 --> 00:25:01,699
GARY: Could you keep
them, dispose of them,

856
00:25:01,767 --> 00:25:02,633
we don't want them anymore.

857
00:25:02,702 --> 00:25:03,834
MIKE: This one's
not as heavy.

858
00:25:03,903 --> 00:25:06,036
GARY: Slightly newer
version of this one.

859
00:25:06,105 --> 00:25:08,705
MIKE: Okay, so it is-
you're right, it is lighter.

860
00:25:08,774 --> 00:25:10,240
GARY: Yeah, it's
lighter. Uhh...

861
00:25:10,576 --> 00:25:11,842
MIKE: Love
this case.

862
00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:16,046
Says goes to New York, Press,
love the old shipping tags, man.

863
00:25:16,115 --> 00:25:19,316
GARY: Sports Illustrated
and Life Magazine used them.

864
00:25:19,384 --> 00:25:20,450
MIKE: Wow.

865
00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:22,720
MIKE: A lot of these cameras
that shot really important

866
00:25:22,922 --> 00:25:25,523
moments, whether
it was sports or news,

867
00:25:25,725 --> 00:25:26,790
are laying on the floor,

868
00:25:26,858 --> 00:25:28,659
in the original
box, sitting there

869
00:25:28,728 --> 00:25:30,661
like mechanical time capsules.

870
00:25:30,730 --> 00:25:31,529
MIKE: This was
state-of-the-art,

871
00:25:31,731 --> 00:25:32,596
and this was high-speed.

872
00:25:32,798 --> 00:25:34,864
GARY: This was
high-speed, yes.

873
00:25:34,934 --> 00:25:35,866
MIKE: What's this
gauge on this one here?

874
00:25:35,935 --> 00:25:37,667
Looks like a pressure
gauge or something.

875
00:25:37,736 --> 00:25:38,669
GARY: Yeah, film
floats around.

876
00:25:38,738 --> 00:25:40,737
If you shoot 75 frames a second,

877
00:25:40,806 --> 00:25:42,339
your film's going
to want to float.

878
00:25:42,408 --> 00:25:43,274
MIKE: Ohh...

879
00:25:43,476 --> 00:25:45,408
GARY: So sometimes, they
pressurize the box...

880
00:25:45,477 --> 00:25:46,677
MIKE: No kidding!

881
00:25:46,745 --> 00:25:48,812
GARY: To keep-to keep the
film flat against the aperture.

882
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,947
MIKE: There's a lot
going into this.

883
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:51,815
MIKE: They weren't just mass
-producing cameras.

884
00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:54,618
They were customizing
them based on

885
00:25:54,687 --> 00:25:55,819
the client and their needs.

886
00:25:56,022 --> 00:25:57,488
MIKE: Look at the lens
on that thing, man.

887
00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:58,622
So you're like this.

888
00:25:58,691 --> 00:25:59,957
GARY: Yeah, that
about right.

889
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:01,758
MIKE: Look at that, there's
a chain drive in here.

890
00:26:01,827 --> 00:26:02,626
What about this
thing, what's this?

891
00:26:02,828 --> 00:26:04,361
GARY: Probably
an old prototype.

892
00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:04,761
MIKE: Really.

893
00:26:04,830 --> 00:26:05,962
GARY: Yeah.

894
00:26:06,031 --> 00:26:06,630
MIKE: Your hand goes into
that with the leather.

895
00:26:06,832 --> 00:26:07,697
I love how primitive that is.

896
00:26:07,766 --> 00:26:09,366
So this would have been like...

897
00:26:09,434 --> 00:26:10,834
GARY: Yeah.

898
00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:11,702
It's important to
keep both eyes open.

899
00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:12,636
MIKE: It's like getting a
personal tour into

900
00:26:12,705 --> 00:26:15,705
the mind of Charles Hulcher.

901
00:26:15,774 --> 00:26:16,573
MIKE: It's like
a bomber, man.

902
00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:17,575
GARY: Yeah.
This was...

903
00:26:17,777 --> 00:26:18,509
MIKE: Look at
this thing!

904
00:26:18,711 --> 00:26:19,376
Is it a bomber sight?

905
00:26:19,445 --> 00:26:20,244
[machine gun sfx]

906
00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:21,245
GARY: It might have
came off a bomber.

907
00:26:21,313 --> 00:26:21,645
MIKE: That's what
I'm saying, I mean...

908
00:26:21,713 --> 00:26:22,913
GARY: Yeah.

909
00:26:23,115 --> 00:26:23,914
MIKE: You were saying
that he repurposed stuff.

910
00:26:23,983 --> 00:26:24,982
GARY: He repurposed
a lot of stuff, yeah.

911
00:26:25,050 --> 00:26:27,384
Quite a few of them that
we used in the Arctic,

912
00:26:27,453 --> 00:26:28,719
we put heaters in.

913
00:26:28,787 --> 00:26:29,853
MIKE: Put heaters
in the camera?

914
00:26:29,922 --> 00:26:31,922
MIKE: Different sights,
different setups,

915
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:34,658
different features,
different accessories.

916
00:26:34,727 --> 00:26:35,525
MIKE: Now this
is manageable.

917
00:26:35,595 --> 00:26:36,527
GARY: Yeah,
so this...

918
00:26:36,729 --> 00:26:37,727
MIKE: That's
real light.

919
00:26:37,796 --> 00:26:38,862
I'm seeing the evolution as
we walk across the attic.

920
00:26:38,931 --> 00:26:39,329
GARY: Every day we get
a different request.

921
00:26:39,398 --> 00:26:40,798
MIKE: Yeah.

922
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:41,865
GARY: Can you build
a camera to do this.

923
00:26:41,934 --> 00:26:43,333
MIKE: Yeah. And that had
to be challenging.

924
00:26:43,402 --> 00:26:44,735
GARY: Yeah.

925
00:26:44,804 --> 00:26:45,735
MIKE: Like I mean,
it's just like,

926
00:26:45,804 --> 00:26:46,003
not the same thing all the time.

927
00:26:47,873 --> 00:26:48,805
GARY: No. The
Highway Department,

928
00:26:48,874 --> 00:26:50,540
with their crash
dummies, tested cars.

929
00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:51,942
MIKE: Oh
yeah, yeah...

930
00:26:52,010 --> 00:26:53,076
GARY: Yeah, we sold
them several cameras.

931
00:26:53,145 --> 00:26:54,144
MIKE: Oh when they would
crash their car into the wall.

932
00:26:54,213 --> 00:26:56,680
GARY: Yeah if, if we could
get like 100 pictures

933
00:26:56,749 --> 00:26:58,082
before it actually crashed...

934
00:26:58,150 --> 00:26:59,749
MIKE: Yes, they could design
the car better that...

935
00:26:59,818 --> 00:27:00,684
GARY: And you
could see the dummy

936
00:27:00,753 --> 00:27:02,286
doing all kinds of, you know.

937
00:27:02,488 --> 00:27:02,987
MIKE: Oh yeah.

938
00:27:16,168 --> 00:27:18,035
BETTY: What was the man that
wanted the camera to set out

939
00:27:18,237 --> 00:27:21,905
in the woods and take pictures
of Big Foot or something?

940
00:27:21,974 --> 00:27:22,973
GARY: Yeah, we-we had
a request one time,

941
00:27:23,175 --> 00:27:26,310
the guy was trying to
capture shots of Big Foot...

942
00:27:26,512 --> 00:27:27,244
in the woods.

943
00:27:27,446 --> 00:27:28,978
MIKE: Ugh!

944
00:27:29,048 --> 00:27:30,380
GARY: I don't know whether
you've ever heard of

945
00:27:30,449 --> 00:27:31,247
Heinz Kluetmeier.

946
00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:32,516
He used to be the
chief photographer

947
00:27:32,585 --> 00:27:33,717
for Sports Illustrated.

948
00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:35,853
And he used these
cameras for years.

949
00:27:35,921 --> 00:27:37,921
MIKE: Photographers like
Heinz Kluetmeier,

950
00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:40,924
this guy was shooting
Muhammad Ali, A.J. Foyt.

951
00:27:40,993 --> 00:27:44,862
If you're a fan of his
work, this is his camera.

952
00:27:45,064 --> 00:27:46,930
MIKE: So these cameras
transcend just people

953
00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:50,667
collecting cameras, it
starts getting into the

954
00:27:50,736 --> 00:27:52,202
imagery and the art of it.

955
00:27:52,404 --> 00:27:55,205
MIKE: I've got a guy that I can
take pictures of this stuff and

956
00:27:55,273 --> 00:27:58,475
I could send that off to him.
He's knowledgeable on price.

957
00:27:58,677 --> 00:27:59,809
GARY: That'd
be great.

958
00:27:59,878 --> 00:28:03,012
MIKE: Collectors, enthusiasts,
people that are passionate about

959
00:28:03,082 --> 00:28:05,683
photography are not going to
have the opportunity

960
00:28:05,885 --> 00:28:06,817
to run into one of
these cameras.

961
00:28:06,886 --> 00:28:08,418
You're not going to
find something like

962
00:28:08,487 --> 00:28:10,954
this at a junk shop.

963
00:28:11,022 --> 00:28:11,622
MIKE: So you think this
was one of the first

964
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:13,356
ones you guys ever made.

965
00:28:13,426 --> 00:28:14,625
GARY: Probably.

966
00:28:14,827 --> 00:28:16,092
MIKE: Because a lot of the ones
that were really significant and

967
00:28:16,161 --> 00:28:20,030
incomplete are sitting in the
attic up here at Hulcher.

968
00:28:20,099 --> 00:28:21,999
MIKE: I'm going to send some
of this stuff off to him.

969
00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:28,972
♪ ♪ ♪

970
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,441
BETTY: This used to be
Mr. Hulcher's office.

971
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:32,843
Now it's archives.

972
00:28:32,912 --> 00:28:35,045
MIKE: Sequence photography
is common now.

973
00:28:35,247 --> 00:28:38,515
But back in the '50s, these
images were revolutionary.

974
00:28:38,584 --> 00:28:40,250
MIKE: Oh look at that.

975
00:28:40,452 --> 00:28:41,251
BETTY: Yeah.

976
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:41,785
MIKE: So that's one of
you guys' cameras...

977
00:28:41,853 --> 00:28:42,252
it was taken...

978
00:28:42,454 --> 00:28:43,787
BETTY: Yes.

979
00:28:43,855 --> 00:28:44,521
MIKE: used to,
to take that shot.

980
00:28:44,723 --> 00:28:45,255
GARY: Right.
BETTY: Yes.

981
00:28:45,324 --> 00:28:46,523
MIKE: Wow.

982
00:28:46,725 --> 00:28:47,657
GARY: It made
the cover.

983
00:28:47,727 --> 00:28:49,059
MIKE: That's so
beautiful. 1955.

984
00:28:49,261 --> 00:28:51,528
Man, don't you wish you just
turn back the hands of time.

985
00:28:51,596 --> 00:28:53,263
BETTY: Long time ago.

986
00:28:53,331 --> 00:28:54,131
[laughs]

987
00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:54,865
MIKE: Turn them back.
There's another one.

988
00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:55,466
Oh that's the same one.

989
00:28:55,668 --> 00:28:56,933
GARY: Same one. It-it...

990
00:28:57,002 --> 00:28:57,801
MIKE: Okay. Oh this is
actually the magazine.

991
00:28:57,869 --> 00:28:59,403
GARY: Actually the
magazine cover.

992
00:28:59,471 --> 00:29:00,070
BETTY: Right.

993
00:29:00,138 --> 00:29:00,470
MIKE: Oh the
staff copy.

994
00:29:00,539 --> 00:29:01,538
BETTY: Yeah.

995
00:29:01,607 --> 00:29:03,941
MIKE: Physically seeing the
images that these cameras

996
00:29:04,009 --> 00:29:07,944
made as magazine covers,
newspaper headlines,

997
00:29:08,013 --> 00:29:10,747
and stop-motion photos
of famous sports figures,

998
00:29:10,816 --> 00:29:13,150
really pulls it all together.

999
00:29:13,219 --> 00:29:15,952
BETTY: At this time, nobody
could take a picture like this,

1000
00:29:16,021 --> 00:29:18,355
because there weren't any
other cameras around...

1001
00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:19,757
MIKE: Yeah.

1002
00:29:19,959 --> 00:29:20,757
BETTY: to take a
picture like that.

1003
00:29:20,826 --> 00:29:21,358
MIKE: So it just
changes the landscape.

1004
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,559
BETTY: Yeah right.

1005
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:23,960
MIKE: But see, look at the
cameras those guys are using.

1006
00:29:24,029 --> 00:29:25,829
What would you consider
that-what's that called?

1007
00:29:25,898 --> 00:29:26,897
GARY: Just a press
camera, more of less.

1008
00:29:26,965 --> 00:29:28,632
BETTY: These cameras
were speed graphics.

1009
00:29:28,701 --> 00:29:31,001
You take one picture a second.

1010
00:29:44,717 --> 00:29:45,782
MIKE: These are
really neat.

1011
00:29:45,851 --> 00:29:46,917
Obviously these photos
have been published before,

1012
00:29:46,986 --> 00:29:49,453
because you know, it's a
professional photographer

1013
00:29:49,521 --> 00:29:50,320
covering the game.

1014
00:29:50,522 --> 00:29:51,855
MIKE: Baseball was the
perfect vehicle for

1015
00:29:51,924 --> 00:29:55,192
this technology to be
shown to the masses.

1016
00:29:55,261 --> 00:29:58,528
MIKE: 'Outfielder Dusty Rhodes
crashes left field wall in vain

1017
00:29:58,597 --> 00:29:59,997
attempt to grab double.'

1018
00:30:00,065 --> 00:30:02,666
MIKE: A pitcher winding
up to throw a strike,

1019
00:30:02,734 --> 00:30:03,867
someone sliding into home,

1020
00:30:03,935 --> 00:30:06,870
a batter in sequence
hitting a homerun.

1021
00:30:06,939 --> 00:30:08,872
All of these moments
were being captured,

1022
00:30:08,941 --> 00:30:11,675
giving the public a
view of their heroes

1023
00:30:11,877 --> 00:30:13,676
like they had never seen before.

1024
00:30:13,745 --> 00:30:14,744
MIKE: What about
stuff like this,

1025
00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:16,480
would you have any
consideration of

1026
00:30:16,682 --> 00:30:17,281
selling any of these?

1027
00:30:17,483 --> 00:30:18,882
GARY: Sure.

1028
00:30:19,084 --> 00:30:19,549
MIKE: You've got 8 of
them, and then you've

1029
00:30:19,618 --> 00:30:20,951
got this picture here.

1030
00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:23,887
I'd be interested in them
for like 30 bucks a card,

1031
00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:24,888
and then I'd have to
frame it, and you know,

1032
00:30:24,957 --> 00:30:27,157
presented that way, I
think they might be,

1033
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:30,760
after I frame it, like $75, to-
to the right person, you know.

1034
00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:33,230
So like for the
pile here... um...

1035
00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:35,632
like 250.

1036
00:30:35,700 --> 00:30:36,433
GARY: What
do you think?

1037
00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:37,700
BETTY: I think
that's fair, yeah.

1038
00:30:37,769 --> 00:30:38,835
GARY: I would rather see them
go to somebody that could keep,

1039
00:30:38,904 --> 00:30:40,437
you know, keep them
better than we are.

1040
00:30:40,506 --> 00:30:41,571
BETTY: Right, right.

1041
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,174
GARY: To see him get excited
about it, excited me.

1042
00:30:44,242 --> 00:30:48,912
I'm thinking, finally somebody
is recognizing our product

1043
00:30:48,981 --> 00:30:50,647
and what people can
do with it, you know.

1044
00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:52,515
I just, it kind of got to me.

1045
00:30:52,584 --> 00:30:53,583
GARY: We
would do that.

1046
00:30:53,652 --> 00:30:54,518
MIKE: Okay.
BETTY: Yes.

1047
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,318
MIKE: Alright,
thank you.

1048
00:30:55,387 --> 00:30:56,320
GARY: Deal.

1049
00:30:56,388 --> 00:30:56,787
MIKE: Well look at that,
that's really cool.

1050
00:30:56,989 --> 00:30:59,656
Wow...
who's that?

1051
00:30:59,724 --> 00:31:00,791
You guys know who that is?

1052
00:31:00,993 --> 00:31:02,259
Or was it just like
a promotional photo?

1053
00:31:02,461 --> 00:31:03,260
GARY: Yeah.

1054
00:31:03,328 --> 00:31:04,995
BETTY: When we
advertised our cameras,

1055
00:31:05,064 --> 00:31:09,066
we put things like this in
magazines and newspapers.

1056
00:31:09,268 --> 00:31:10,333
MIKE: So you guys shot your
own stuff though, I assume.

1057
00:31:10,402 --> 00:31:12,002
BETTY: Right.

1058
00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:13,336
MIKE: Since this came out
of your archives and it's a

1059
00:31:13,405 --> 00:31:16,406
promotional piece, you know,
this has, this has value to me.

1060
00:31:16,608 --> 00:31:17,407
I mean, I love this.

1061
00:31:17,475 --> 00:31:18,608
BETTY: Um-hm.

1062
00:31:18,677 --> 00:31:20,077
MIKE: I don't know what you
guys are going to do with this,

1063
00:31:20,145 --> 00:31:23,013
but I-I'd be interested in
buying that. 75 bucks?

1064
00:31:23,481 --> 00:31:24,748
BETTY: Sure.

1065
00:31:24,816 --> 00:31:25,949
GARY: We'll do
that. 75, yeah.

1066
00:31:26,017 --> 00:31:27,084
MIKE: I love this. I
absolutely love this.

1067
00:31:27,286 --> 00:31:29,286
GARY: Let me show you what we
used in some of our ads too.

1068
00:31:29,355 --> 00:31:30,487
MIKE: Okay.

1069
00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:32,990
GARY: Yeah. This is just a
couple of photos of our model.

1070
00:31:34,493 --> 00:31:36,092
MIKE: Oh yeah...

1071
00:31:36,161 --> 00:31:37,561
BETTY: Now that was, I didn't
have a camera in that one,

1072
00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:38,361
Mr. Hulcher...
[laughs]

1073
00:31:38,430 --> 00:31:39,429
MIKE: That's you?

1074
00:31:39,498 --> 00:31:39,963
BETTY: pictures.

1075
00:31:40,031 --> 00:31:40,363
MIKE: That's you?

1076
00:31:40,432 --> 00:31:41,498
BETTY: Yes it is.

1077
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:42,833
MIKE: Alright.
So where-

1078
00:31:43,035 --> 00:31:45,636
BETTY: He used me to hold
the cameras to put

1079
00:31:45,838 --> 00:31:48,705
on brochures and send to people.

1080
00:31:48,974 --> 00:31:51,842
BETTY: Somehow or other,
Mr. Hulcher got in his

1081
00:31:51,910 --> 00:31:54,111
mind that I could
be a model. [laughs]

1082
00:31:54,179 --> 00:31:56,513
GARY: This was, at one time,
our most popular cameras.

1083
00:31:56,581 --> 00:31:58,315
MIKE: I can see why.

1084
00:31:58,517 --> 00:31:59,516
[group laughing]

1085
00:31:59,718 --> 00:32:01,117
MIKE: Betty,
you were...

1086
00:32:01,186 --> 00:32:04,254
BETTY: He took lots of pictures
with me and the camera.

1087
00:32:04,322 --> 00:32:06,923
[laughs] There must have been
a million pictures with me over

1088
00:32:06,992 --> 00:32:09,993
here, I didn't realize
there were so many.

1089
00:32:10,061 --> 00:32:11,328
MIKE: You had a lot of
hats here at the company.

1090
00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:13,130
BETTY: I did.

1091
00:32:13,332 --> 00:32:14,331
MIKE: I noticed you got another
baseball picture over here,

1092
00:32:14,533 --> 00:32:15,264
what is this one?

1093
00:32:15,334 --> 00:32:17,000
BETTY: This is the
1959 World Series.

1094
00:32:17,202 --> 00:32:19,469
<i>COMMENTATOR: Charlie
Neal hits one to left field</i>

1095
00:32:19,538 --> 00:32:20,537
<i>seats for a homerun.</i>

1096
00:32:20,605 --> 00:32:22,072
<i>But it's Al Smith that
takes the shower.</i>

1097
00:32:23,008 --> 00:32:25,943
BETTY: Al Smith was
going up to catch it,

1098
00:32:26,145 --> 00:32:28,878
and this man had a Coke
or a beer or something...

1099
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:30,213
MIKE: Oh and a beer
dropped on his head.

1100
00:32:30,416 --> 00:32:30,547
Yeah...

1101
00:32:30,616 --> 00:32:32,282
[laughs]

1102
00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:33,416
BETTY: and he got so excited
that he was going to catch the

1103
00:32:33,485 --> 00:32:36,420
ball, that he just covered
the player with whatever it

1104
00:32:36,488 --> 00:32:37,354
was in the cup.

1105
00:32:37,423 --> 00:32:38,488
MIKE: Oh my gosh!

1106
00:32:38,690 --> 00:32:39,822
[laughing]
Yeah he did.

1107
00:32:39,891 --> 00:32:40,757
MIKE: This was at
a point in time where

1108
00:32:40,959 --> 00:32:44,093
technology met the
innocence of an age.

1109
00:32:44,162 --> 00:32:46,763
Like the moment the beer got
spilled on the outfielder.

1110
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,631
The novelty was the
fact that they had

1111
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:50,500
10 images of it happening.

1112
00:32:50,569 --> 00:32:51,834
MIKE: That's incredible.

1113
00:32:51,903 --> 00:32:53,437
What are you going
to do with this one?

1114
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:54,370
BETTY: We'll sell it.

1115
00:32:54,439 --> 00:32:55,706
MIKE: 200 bucks.

1116
00:32:55,908 --> 00:32:56,773
BETTY: This has been
published a lot,

1117
00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:59,109
so if you want to
buy it, that's great.

1118
00:32:59,177 --> 00:33:00,310
MIKE: Yeah, because it's
already framed and everything.

1119
00:33:00,379 --> 00:33:01,978
BETTY: Okay.

1120
00:33:02,047 --> 00:33:02,512
MIKE: And the fact that
it was hanging in this

1121
00:33:02,581 --> 00:33:04,014
company is amazing.

1122
00:33:09,521 --> 00:33:11,788
[phone ringing]

1123
00:33:11,857 --> 00:33:12,655
MIKE: Alright Dan,
we're up here in the

1124
00:33:12,724 --> 00:33:13,991
attic where the cameras are.

1125
00:33:14,193 --> 00:33:16,726
MIKE: These cameras went out,
and they had these bold,

1126
00:33:16,795 --> 00:33:19,929
beautiful, famous,
incredible lives,

1127
00:33:19,999 --> 00:33:22,932
and then they came full
circle back to the place

1128
00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:25,001
that they were manufactured,
and this is where

1129
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:27,137
they've been resting on
the floor of this attic.

1130
00:33:27,205 --> 00:33:28,805
DAN (ON PHONE): What's so
interesting about the Hulcher

1131
00:33:29,007 --> 00:33:32,209
cameras and his place
in camera history,

1132
00:33:32,277 --> 00:33:36,145
is that he was ahead of his
time and was producing cameras

1133
00:33:36,214 --> 00:33:40,149
that could record images at
the fastest rates possible.

1134
00:33:40,218 --> 00:33:42,752
DAN (ON PHONE): In the '50s,
he was producing cameras that

1135
00:33:42,821 --> 00:33:44,954
could record at 50
frames per second.

1136
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,757
By contrast, a professional
Nikon at the time,

1137
00:33:47,826 --> 00:33:50,093
topped out at 5
frames per second.

1138
00:33:50,161 --> 00:33:52,095
DAN (ON PHONE): So really,
these Hulcher cameras were

1139
00:33:52,163 --> 00:33:55,765
able to capture images that
were never seen before.

1140
00:33:55,834 --> 00:33:56,566
GARY: To hear this
guy on the phone,

1141
00:33:56,635 --> 00:33:58,835
excited about our cameras,

1142
00:33:58,904 --> 00:34:01,037
that kind of got me
excited, you know.

1143
00:34:01,106 --> 00:34:02,839
MIKE: Which camera do you
want to talk about first?

1144
00:34:03,041 --> 00:34:04,774
DAN (ON PHONE): How
about that Model 100A?

1145
00:34:04,843 --> 00:34:06,843
MIKE: Alright. The Model
100A, we gotcha.

1146
00:34:07,045 --> 00:34:08,645
DAN (ON PHONE): Gary, is
that camera complete

1147
00:34:08,713 --> 00:34:10,647
and working, do you know?

1148
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:11,848
GARY: I doubt it's working.

1149
00:34:11,916 --> 00:34:13,784
I haven't looked
inside of it in years.

1150
00:34:13,986 --> 00:34:15,518
DAN (ON PHONE): That's
kind of a classic,

1151
00:34:15,587 --> 00:34:17,053
say early '60s on that.

1152
00:34:17,122 --> 00:34:19,990
I just happen to see the
serial number was number 5,

1153
00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:22,191
so clearly that's one of
the first made of that.

1154
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:26,996
The 100A increased the frames
per second from the 50 maximum

1155
00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:29,800
that the 100 did, up to 75
now, so it was a further

1156
00:34:30,002 --> 00:34:31,868
improvement on the
speed of that camera.

1157
00:34:31,937 --> 00:34:33,737
GARY: I was surprised
that he knew so much

1158
00:34:33,805 --> 00:34:36,139
about the Hulcher
cameras, really.

1159
00:34:36,208 --> 00:34:38,808
DAN (ON PHONE): I would suggest
in the market place today,

1160
00:34:38,877 --> 00:34:42,211
that would sell in
the 4 to $600 range.

1161
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,148
Coming right from the Hulcher
factory itself and having the

1162
00:34:45,217 --> 00:34:47,884
early serial number makes it
a little bit more desirable.

1163
00:34:47,952 --> 00:34:49,619
So perhaps a little
bit more than that.

1164
00:34:49,688 --> 00:34:50,820
MIKE: Okay,
that's fantastic.

1165
00:34:50,889 --> 00:34:52,355
What's this one
Gary, what is this?

1166
00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:52,956
GARY: This...

1167
00:34:53,024 --> 00:34:54,023
BETTY: That's the 102.

1168
00:34:54,093 --> 00:34:55,492
MIKE: Here, you want to
hold the phone for a second?

1169
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:56,359
I've got the camera.

1170
00:34:56,562 --> 00:34:58,495
Dan, did you get
photographs of this camera?

1171
00:34:58,697 --> 00:34:59,496
DAN (ON PHONE): Yeah Mike.

1172
00:34:59,564 --> 00:35:00,563
In general, that type of
camera would sell

1173
00:35:00,632 --> 00:35:02,899
in the 3 to $400 range.

1174
00:35:02,968 --> 00:35:05,101
MIKE: Gary said that
it was shipped from...

1175
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:08,638
Sports Illustrated Magazine,
back to the factory here.

1176
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,639
How many years ago, you think?

1177
00:35:09,708 --> 00:35:12,842
GARY: Probably
30 years ago.

1178
00:35:12,911 --> 00:35:14,844
Basically they built
new cameras from us,

1179
00:35:14,913 --> 00:35:15,711
and got tired of
storing the old ones,

1180
00:35:15,780 --> 00:35:17,647
so they shipped them back to us.

1181
00:35:17,716 --> 00:35:19,449
They didn't want them back.

1182
00:35:19,651 --> 00:35:20,584
DAN (ON PHONE): Got it.

1183
00:35:20,652 --> 00:35:22,852
You know, from a camera
collecting standpoint,

1184
00:35:22,921 --> 00:35:24,854
the fact that it was
with Sports Illustrated,

1185
00:35:24,923 --> 00:35:27,790
that you have the case,
it looks complete,

1186
00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:30,059
it has a premium over
a standard model.

1187
00:35:30,129 --> 00:35:33,663
I'd suggest the value is
probably around the $500 range.

1188
00:35:33,731 --> 00:35:36,066
MIKE: Okay.
Awesome, man.

1189
00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:37,667
DAN (ON PHONE): The most
exciting camera I saw in the

1190
00:35:37,736 --> 00:35:39,936
pictures was the
prototype camera.

1191
00:35:40,005 --> 00:35:41,538
MIKE: Okay, alright well
that's down here on the

1192
00:35:41,606 --> 00:35:42,005
other side of the attic.

1193
00:35:46,078 --> 00:35:47,744
DAN (ON PHONE): The most
exciting camera I saw in

1194
00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:49,412
the pictures was the
prototype camera.

1195
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,147
MIKE: Alright.

1196
00:35:51,216 --> 00:35:52,882
DAN (ON PHONE): So the story
is that while working for the

1197
00:35:52,951 --> 00:35:53,884
National Advisory
Committee for Aeronautics,

1198
00:35:54,086 --> 00:35:58,021
that Hulcher developed a
prototype to study rocket

1199
00:35:58,223 --> 00:36:00,757
launches in slow motion to
find out why they exploded.

1200
00:36:00,826 --> 00:36:02,626
GARY: Yeah. That-that
is a true story.

1201
00:36:02,694 --> 00:36:03,960
BETTY: That's
the story.

1202
00:36:04,029 --> 00:36:06,429
GARY: But it was not this
camera we're holding now.

1203
00:36:06,632 --> 00:36:08,030
DAN (ON PHONE): Okay.

1204
00:36:08,099 --> 00:36:09,699
GARY: This-this prototype
was called a Hulcher 100.

1205
00:36:09,767 --> 00:36:12,035
It was a huge heavy camera.

1206
00:36:12,237 --> 00:36:14,237
DAN (ON PHONE): So if it's
not that very original first

1207
00:36:14,305 --> 00:36:17,974
prototype, you know, prototypes
can be challenging to value.

1208
00:36:18,042 --> 00:36:19,643
MIKE: What can you tell
us about this, Gary?

1209
00:36:19,845 --> 00:36:20,710
GARY: It was here
when I got here.

1210
00:36:20,912 --> 00:36:22,712
I started working
here 57 years ago,

1211
00:36:22,781 --> 00:36:24,114
and this was here at that time.

1212
00:36:24,182 --> 00:36:26,916
All of our early cameras
were made out of sheet metal.

1213
00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:29,919
They were bent up and
put together with screws.

1214
00:36:29,988 --> 00:36:31,787
That's before we had any
welding capabilities.

1215
00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:34,658
This looks like it could
be a combination

1216
00:36:34,726 --> 00:36:37,727
of casting and sheet metal.

1217
00:36:37,795 --> 00:36:38,395
MIKE: What is
this advancing?

1218
00:36:38,463 --> 00:36:39,862
The film, right?

1219
00:36:39,932 --> 00:36:40,997
GARY: Feels like it
advances the film, yeah.

1220
00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:42,999
MIKE: So the grip is
actually advancing the film,

1221
00:36:43,068 --> 00:36:45,335
like you turn the grip like
you would a throttle

1222
00:36:45,404 --> 00:36:46,403
on a motorcycle.

1223
00:36:46,471 --> 00:36:48,805
GARY: It's larger than
70mm. That, it looks-

1224
00:36:48,874 --> 00:36:49,272
DAN (ON PHONE): Oh
that's interesting.

1225
00:36:49,474 --> 00:36:50,339
GARY: Yeah.

1226
00:36:50,408 --> 00:36:51,741
MIKE: Listening to Dan's
voice, you can obviously

1227
00:36:51,809 --> 00:36:54,277
hear his passion and excitement.

1228
00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:57,881
He's actually talking to people
that built the Hulcher camera.

1229
00:36:57,949 --> 00:37:00,350
A camera that he's
been collecting for

1230
00:37:00,552 --> 00:37:01,618
a number of years.

1231
00:37:01,686 --> 00:37:04,086
This is like me being able
to talk to George Hendee and

1232
00:37:04,155 --> 00:37:06,889
Oscar Hedstrom - the creators
of the Indian motorcycle.

1233
00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:09,492
DAN (ON PHONE): What
is the frame rate per

1234
00:37:09,561 --> 00:37:10,760
second on that camera?

1235
00:37:10,829 --> 00:37:13,162
GARY: I don't think it was
anything to do with high-speed,

1236
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:15,165
because I don't know how fast
you could turn this handle,

1237
00:37:15,367 --> 00:37:18,768
but it does have the motor, the
motor's right inside the camera.

1238
00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:20,570
MIKE: Do you think
you guys made this?

1239
00:37:20,638 --> 00:37:21,837
GARY: I just can't say.

1240
00:37:21,906 --> 00:37:23,172
GARY: Some of the
things in the camera,

1241
00:37:23,241 --> 00:37:26,175
were some of the same things
that we use in other cameras.

1242
00:37:26,245 --> 00:37:29,979
Some of the rollers, some of
the spools, the gearing inside.

1243
00:37:30,048 --> 00:37:31,581
MIKE: The sight is very
similar to the sights

1244
00:37:31,783 --> 00:37:33,516
that you guys continued...

1245
00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:34,717
GARY: Yes, yes it is.

1246
00:37:34,786 --> 00:37:36,185
MIKE: later
throughout your run.

1247
00:37:36,255 --> 00:37:37,053
I'm telling you, here's a guy
that's been doing this forever.

1248
00:37:37,122 --> 00:37:38,654
He's very curious
about this camera.

1249
00:37:38,723 --> 00:37:40,590
He's like a duck on a June bug.

1250
00:37:40,658 --> 00:37:41,524
DAN (ON PHONE):
[laughs]

1251
00:37:41,593 --> 00:37:42,592
GARY: It looks like something
that Mr. Hulcher

1252
00:37:42,660 --> 00:37:43,727
would have come up with.

1253
00:37:43,929 --> 00:37:46,195
The ingenious way
the inside is made,

1254
00:37:46,265 --> 00:37:48,931
it's unlike any cameras that we
have right now, or have made.

1255
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,135
But I've still yet to
figure out how it works.

1256
00:37:52,337 --> 00:37:54,871
DAN (ON PHONE): Even though
there's not a lot of background

1257
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:56,806
on it, to me that's
still an exciting model.

1258
00:37:56,875 --> 00:37:58,808
It would be exciting
to a collector.

1259
00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:00,076
MIKE: Well I'm glad
I-I, you know what,

1260
00:38:00,144 --> 00:38:02,545
[laughs] I-I just pulled it
off the shelf because

1261
00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:03,346
it had a leather strap.

1262
00:38:03,548 --> 00:38:05,148
Betty: [laughs]

1263
00:38:05,217 --> 00:38:05,548
MIKE: I was like, oh that's
a leather strap, that's neat.

1264
00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:06,949
GARY: Yeah.

1265
00:38:07,018 --> 00:38:07,283
MIKE: You know, that's
how much I knew about it.

1266
00:38:07,352 --> 00:38:09,018
[laughs]

1267
00:38:09,087 --> 00:38:10,887
GARY: The 2 we know exactly
where it came from,

1268
00:38:10,955 --> 00:38:13,957
did we build it, did Mr.
Hulcher design it.

1269
00:38:14,025 --> 00:38:17,026
I would prefer it stay
here with the company.

1270
00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:18,961
BETTY: Mr. Hulcher insisted
on having paperwork.

1271
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:21,297
Where those records are
right now, I'm not sure.

1272
00:38:21,366 --> 00:38:22,832
MIKE: Yeah.

1273
00:38:23,034 --> 00:38:23,500
What about drawings,
did you guys actually

1274
00:38:23,702 --> 00:38:24,634
keep all those drawings?

1275
00:38:24,703 --> 00:38:25,368
BETTY: We did
have drawings.

1276
00:38:25,570 --> 00:38:27,370
We had drawings of all of it.

1277
00:38:27,439 --> 00:38:28,371
MIKE: Oh wow.

1278
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,040
GARY: I would love to
find a drawing on this.

1279
00:38:30,242 --> 00:38:31,774
DAN (ON PHONE): To me, the
drawings are more attractive

1280
00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:33,176
even than the
cameras themselves,

1281
00:38:33,245 --> 00:38:36,913
just because it shows the mind
working and the origins of the

1282
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:39,315
build of these cameras,
and the progress.

1283
00:38:39,384 --> 00:38:44,254
Anything that's super unique to
a collector such as a prototype

1284
00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:47,724
or drawings, or you know, kind
of the inside story of a camera

1285
00:38:47,793 --> 00:38:50,860
factory, is pretty
highly desirable.

1286
00:38:51,062 --> 00:38:52,662
GARY: We kept drawings
of all of our cameras.

1287
00:38:52,731 --> 00:38:53,930
They're still here somewhere.

1288
00:38:54,132 --> 00:38:55,732
DAN (ON PHONE): I would suggest
that those are as highly valued,

1289
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,599
if not more, than some of these

1290
00:38:56,802 --> 00:38:58,535
cameras we've been looking at.

1291
00:38:58,603 --> 00:39:00,202
MIKE: That's awesome.

1292
00:39:00,271 --> 00:39:01,337
GARY: They started talking about
how much our drawings could be

1293
00:39:01,406 --> 00:39:04,874
worth, I thought, I'm going
to start looking for them.

1294
00:39:04,943 --> 00:39:06,342
MIKE: I'm going to
give you Dan's number.

1295
00:39:06,411 --> 00:39:07,410
GARY: Okay.

1296
00:39:07,479 --> 00:39:08,210
MIKE: And you guys can
kind of go back and forth.

1297
00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:09,145
DAN (ON PHONE):
Sure, terrific.

1298
00:39:09,214 --> 00:39:09,545
MIKE: Alright, buddy,
thank you so much.

1299
00:39:09,614 --> 00:39:10,613
BETTY: Bye.

1300
00:39:10,816 --> 00:39:11,347
GARY: Thank you,
appreciate it.

1301
00:39:11,416 --> 00:39:12,349
MIKE: Bye-bye.

1302
00:39:12,551 --> 00:39:13,616
BETTY: Thank you.

1303
00:39:13,685 --> 00:39:14,283
DAN (ON PHONE): Alright then,
nice to meet you. Take care.

1304
00:39:14,353 --> 00:39:14,617
MIKE: Okay.

1305
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:15,885
GARY: Bye.

1306
00:39:15,953 --> 00:39:16,753
BETTY: It is great to know
that people out there really

1307
00:39:16,955 --> 00:39:20,156
appreciate our cameras
as much as we do.

1308
00:39:20,225 --> 00:39:24,027
MIKE: So Gary, after listening
to Dan talk about the cameras

1309
00:39:24,095 --> 00:39:26,696
and being educated by you
and Betty all day long,

1310
00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:28,431
I keep falling
back to what I do.

1311
00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:29,832
So I'm a story guy.

1312
00:39:29,901 --> 00:39:31,768
You have documentation
on this camera,

1313
00:39:31,837 --> 00:39:33,369
that it came from
Sports Illustrated.

1314
00:39:33,438 --> 00:39:34,503
GARY: Right.

1315
00:39:34,572 --> 00:39:35,971
MIKE: You told me it's probably
from the 1950s period.

1316
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,441
It was shipped to you,
what like 30 years ago?

1317
00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:40,109
GARY: Possibly yeah.

1318
00:39:40,178 --> 00:39:41,043
MIKE: So they used this
camera for that many decades.

1319
00:39:41,112 --> 00:39:42,311
GARY: They used it
for a long time, yeah.

1320
00:39:42,381 --> 00:39:43,379
MIKE: Okay.

1321
00:39:43,448 --> 00:39:43,847
GARY: Yeah.

1322
00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:44,914
MIKE: That interests me.

1323
00:39:45,116 --> 00:39:45,981
MIKE: It's one thing to
talk about the cameras

1324
00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:47,584
and imagine the photographer
and the company

1325
00:39:47,786 --> 00:39:49,786
that used them.
But when you

1326
00:39:49,855 --> 00:39:51,321
see them in the
original shipping crate,

1327
00:39:51,523 --> 00:39:52,588
you can touch it.

1328
00:39:52,657 --> 00:39:54,123
So it's hands
-on history.

1329
00:39:54,192 --> 00:39:55,859
MIKE: And then the box itself,
I mean, I look at the box,

1330
00:39:56,061 --> 00:39:59,729
like the lid and all the
places that it's been,

1331
00:39:59,931 --> 00:40:00,730
it's been shipped
all over the place,

1332
00:40:00,799 --> 00:40:02,065
all over the world
really, you know.

1333
00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:05,668
Still has the leather handle
on it, leather straps.

1334
00:40:05,736 --> 00:40:07,804
The box has got the look.

1335
00:40:07,873 --> 00:40:09,605
I guess from a
collector's standpoint,

1336
00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:10,940
I connect with this more.

1337
00:40:11,142 --> 00:40:14,810
So this one he said was
worth around 500 bucks.

1338
00:40:14,879 --> 00:40:17,346
That was like a
retail number on it.

1339
00:40:17,415 --> 00:40:18,147
GARY: Right.

1340
00:40:18,216 --> 00:40:19,081
MIKE: Obviously
it's not working,

1341
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:20,616
but to a sports enthusiast
or something,

1342
00:40:20,685 --> 00:40:21,750
this would be the big deal.

1343
00:40:21,820 --> 00:40:23,553
What would you guys
feel comfortable

1344
00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:24,954
selling the camera for?

1345
00:40:25,023 --> 00:40:26,823
Because you know, One,
it doesn't have a lens;

1346
00:40:27,025 --> 00:40:28,758
and Two, it's not like
somebody's going to

1347
00:40:28,826 --> 00:40:31,093
go out and use it
to shoot again.

1348
00:40:31,162 --> 00:40:32,896
It's-it's really more of a
piece of history from your

1349
00:40:32,964 --> 00:40:35,999
company that's a collector
piece, you know.

1350
00:40:43,775 --> 00:40:44,373
GARY: She would
give it to you.

1351
00:40:44,443 --> 00:40:45,308
Betty: [laughs]

1352
00:40:45,377 --> 00:40:46,375
MIKE: Yeah.

1353
00:40:46,445 --> 00:40:48,311
BETTY: What, 300?

1354
00:40:48,513 --> 00:40:49,779
GARY: Uh, 250.

1355
00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:51,714
MIKE: Now this is going
to go somewhere else,

1356
00:40:51,783 --> 00:40:53,116
somebody else is
going to own this.

1357
00:40:53,318 --> 00:40:56,919
But me, I get the best part of
all of it, I get to find it,

1358
00:40:56,988 --> 00:41:01,591
experience it, and really
connect to each piece.

1359
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:02,324
MIKE: I would
do the 300.

1360
00:41:02,393 --> 00:41:03,526
BETTY: Okay.

1361
00:41:03,595 --> 00:41:04,260
GARY: You
would. Yeah.

1362
00:41:04,328 --> 00:41:04,860
MIKE: You want
to do that?

1363
00:41:04,929 --> 00:41:05,261
We'll do the
300. Okay.

1364
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:05,662
BETTY: Okay.

1365
00:41:05,864 --> 00:41:06,328
MIKE: $300.

1366
00:41:06,397 --> 00:41:07,063
BETTY: 300.

1367
00:41:07,131 --> 00:41:07,330
MIKE: Thank
you very much.

1368
00:41:07,399 --> 00:41:08,331
GARY: 30.

1369
00:41:08,533 --> 00:41:09,065
Betty: [laughs]

1370
00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:09,666
MIKE: I
appreciate it.

1371
00:41:09,868 --> 00:41:10,733
I love it. I
absolutely do.

1372
00:41:10,802 --> 00:41:12,469
MIKE: Today was
so much more than

1373
00:41:12,671 --> 00:41:14,137
I thought it would be.

1374
00:41:14,205 --> 00:41:17,874
Walking in the door, I had
no idea how this one camera

1375
00:41:17,942 --> 00:41:19,808
company was instrumental
in changing and

1376
00:41:19,878 --> 00:41:22,946
touching so many
different industries.

1377
00:41:23,014 --> 00:41:24,881
MIKE: Alright, I'm
going to grab this one.

1378
00:41:25,083 --> 00:41:26,883
BETTY: Mr. Hulcher would
have loved him. [laughs]

1379
00:41:27,085 --> 00:41:28,484
GARY: He would have loved
Mike, yes oh my gosh.

1380
00:41:28,553 --> 00:41:29,485
BETTY:
He... yeah.

1381
00:41:29,554 --> 00:41:30,286
He would have loved Mike.

1382
00:41:30,355 --> 00:41:31,487
[honks horn]

1383
00:41:31,556 --> 00:41:32,288
MIKE: See you guys!

1384
00:41:32,357 --> 00:41:32,755
BETTY: Bye!

1385
00:41:32,824 --> 00:41:33,289
GARY: See ya!

1386
00:41:33,491 --> 00:41:33,823
MIKE: Thank you!

1387
00:41:34,025 --> 00:41:34,290
GARY: See ya, Mike!

1388
00:41:34,359 --> 00:41:34,991
BETTY: Bye!

1389
00:41:39,431 --> 00:41:40,696
[phone ringing]

1390
00:41:40,765 --> 00:41:41,497
ROBBIE (ON PHONE):
What's going on?

1391
00:41:41,566 --> 00:41:43,032
DANIELLE: Guess what...

1392
00:41:43,234 --> 00:41:43,766
ROBBIE (ON PHONE): I'm sitting
on the edge of my seat,

1393
00:41:43,835 --> 00:41:45,969
what are you talking about?

1394
00:41:46,171 --> 00:41:49,639
Danielle: [laughs] So
the news is that we actually

1395
00:41:49,707 --> 00:41:52,575
came out on
top. 1,600.

1396
00:41:52,644 --> 00:41:53,976
ROBBIE (ON
PHONE): Apiece?!

1397
00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:56,579
DANIELLE: No, what?- why
did you have to say that!

1398
00:41:56,648 --> 00:41:57,647
Now it's not as exciting.

1399
00:41:57,715 --> 00:41:58,447
ROBBIE (ON
PHONE): [laughs]

1400
00:41:58,517 --> 00:42:00,116
DANIELLE: Uugghhh...

1401
00:42:00,318 --> 00:42:02,985
You took the wind out of my
sails, man. It's 1,600 total.

1402
00:42:03,054 --> 00:42:07,123
ROBBIE (ON PHONE): Ohh...
that's-that's still good.

1403
00:42:07,192 --> 00:42:09,859
Yeah, I mean, what did we pay
for them, 300 bucks apiece?

1404
00:42:10,061 --> 00:42:11,794
DANIELLE: Yeah-9, yeah,
900 bucks for the total.

1405
00:42:11,862 --> 00:42:12,394
ROBBIE (ON PHONE):
Ah, there you go.

1406
00:42:12,463 --> 00:42:13,996
DANIELLE: Yeah.

1407
00:42:14,065 --> 00:42:14,797
ROBBIE (ON PHONE): See? It
all balances out. Woo.

1408
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:15,998
DANIELLE: Dude, I
know, you're right.

1409
00:42:16,067 --> 00:42:18,067
I stress sometimes, that's
it, but you're right.

1410
00:42:18,136 --> 00:42:20,870
ROBBIE (ON PHONE): Everything
evens out for a reason.

1411
00:42:20,939 --> 00:42:21,604
DANIELLE: Love ya,
I'll talk to you later.

1412
00:42:21,673 --> 00:42:22,005
ROBBIE (ON
PHONE): Alright.