1 00:00:04,805 --> 00:00:06,740 ERIN: Okay, this is it. 2 00:00:06,774 --> 00:00:08,709 KATHY (over phone): We're broadcasting on WQTI, 3 00:00:08,742 --> 00:00:11,745 streaming on WQTI.org. 4 00:00:11,779 --> 00:00:15,149 The name of our live podcast is Justice Denied. 5 00:00:15,183 --> 00:00:17,285 Our guest is Jeffrey Durning, 6 00:00:17,318 --> 00:00:19,520 distinguished heart surgeon, philanthropist, 7 00:00:19,553 --> 00:00:22,656 and defendant in one of the most sensational murder trials 8 00:00:22,690 --> 00:00:23,757 of the decade. 9 00:00:23,791 --> 00:00:24,692 Jeffrey, thanks for joining us. 10 00:00:24,725 --> 00:00:26,694 JEFFREY: Thank you for having me on, Kathy. 11 00:00:26,727 --> 00:00:28,262 Oh, please, give me a break. 12 00:00:28,296 --> 00:00:30,298 You know they can't hear you, right? 13 00:00:30,631 --> 00:00:32,400 KATHY: I must admit, I feel a little strange 14 00:00:32,433 --> 00:00:33,667 talking to you. 15 00:00:33,701 --> 00:00:36,737 The last time we saw each other was a year ago in the courtroom 16 00:00:36,770 --> 00:00:39,340 when I was prosecuting you for killing your wife Beth. 17 00:00:39,373 --> 00:00:41,175 JEFFREY: I'm glad you had the courage to re-examine 18 00:00:41,209 --> 00:00:43,144 the evidence and come to a more honest conclusion, 19 00:00:43,177 --> 00:00:44,578 which is more than I can say 20 00:00:44,612 --> 00:00:45,646 for some of your former colleagues. 21 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:47,081 Yeah, well, if he's so honest, 22 00:00:47,115 --> 00:00:48,516 how come you're hiding from us, 23 00:00:48,549 --> 00:00:51,719 and telling your story on the air instead of in a courtroom? 24 00:00:51,752 --> 00:00:53,654 The first trial ended in a hung jury, 25 00:00:53,687 --> 00:00:54,822 so tell me, why do you think 26 00:00:54,855 --> 00:00:57,525 the Manhattan D.A.'s office is coming after you again? 27 00:00:57,558 --> 00:00:58,659 Maybe because you killed your wife 28 00:00:58,692 --> 00:01:02,130 and you dumped her body from a plane over the Atlantic? 29 00:01:02,163 --> 00:01:03,631 JEFFREY: Obviously, the office has had a series 30 00:01:03,664 --> 00:01:05,633 of high-profile disasters. 31 00:01:05,666 --> 00:01:06,734 They're looking for a rich, white man's scalp 32 00:01:06,767 --> 00:01:07,868 to make up for them. 33 00:01:07,901 --> 00:01:09,837 Of course, now we have my old friend 34 00:01:09,870 --> 00:01:12,206 Erin Reagan saying she has new evidence, 35 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:13,741 but like your wife's body, no one has seen it. 36 00:01:13,774 --> 00:01:16,377 Police! Come on, out of the way. 37 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:17,845 Move! Get out of the way. 38 00:01:17,878 --> 00:01:19,480 Oh, it looks like 39 00:01:19,513 --> 00:01:20,748 we have some surprise guests joining us. 40 00:01:20,781 --> 00:01:22,616 We're gonna take a break. 41 00:01:23,851 --> 00:01:25,853 (taps on glass) 42 00:01:27,188 --> 00:01:28,656 Where is he? 43 00:01:28,689 --> 00:01:31,492 Obviously not on the premises. 44 00:01:36,864 --> 00:01:39,833 (car alarm blaring) 45 00:01:39,867 --> 00:01:41,835 Oh, my God, I hate these things! 46 00:01:41,869 --> 00:01:44,738 Aren't they supposed to shut off after three minutes? 47 00:01:44,772 --> 00:01:46,607 It's an older model; I guess the guy didn't get the message 48 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:47,708 he needed to get it fixed. 49 00:01:47,741 --> 00:01:50,244 Or that he needs to move the car for street cleaning. 50 00:01:50,278 --> 00:01:51,679 How long has it been here? 51 00:01:51,712 --> 00:01:53,581 A couple days at least, right? 52 00:01:53,614 --> 00:01:54,615 Excuse me, ma'am! 53 00:01:54,648 --> 00:01:56,417 (car alarm continues blaring) 54 00:01:56,450 --> 00:01:58,219 You know whose car this is? 55 00:01:58,252 --> 00:01:59,853 Hey, handsome. 56 00:01:59,887 --> 00:02:01,422 What's it worth to you? 57 00:02:01,455 --> 00:02:03,657 (chuckles) Well... 58 00:02:03,691 --> 00:02:06,527 My tenant, Harry Clark. 59 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,829 I keep telling him he needs a new car. 60 00:02:08,862 --> 00:02:11,465 I know he can afford it. 61 00:02:11,499 --> 00:02:13,167 Would you have him come down? 62 00:02:13,201 --> 00:02:15,669 I would, if I'd seen him lately. 63 00:02:17,871 --> 00:02:21,242 Ma'am, do you notice that smell inside your apartment? 64 00:02:21,275 --> 00:02:23,411 No. 65 00:02:23,444 --> 00:02:25,179 But my nose stopped working years ago. 66 00:02:25,213 --> 00:02:26,814 Too much fun in the '70s. 67 00:02:26,847 --> 00:02:28,349 You know what I'm saying. 68 00:02:28,382 --> 00:02:29,850 Come we come take a look? 69 00:02:29,883 --> 00:02:32,586 Sure. Come on in. 70 00:02:38,226 --> 00:02:39,660 Ugh. 71 00:02:39,693 --> 00:02:41,695 Ma'am, can you please wait outside? 72 00:02:43,864 --> 00:02:45,733 (gags) 73 00:02:45,766 --> 00:02:47,167 (coughs) 74 00:02:54,007 --> 00:02:56,610 (groans) Eddie, he's in here. 75 00:02:56,644 --> 00:02:58,646 Oh, he's ripe. 76 00:02:58,679 --> 00:03:00,448 (groans) 77 00:03:00,481 --> 00:03:01,949 (coughs) 78 00:03:04,017 --> 00:03:04,985 (groans) 79 00:03:05,018 --> 00:03:06,920 It's been a few days, huh? 80 00:03:06,954 --> 00:03:09,290 Oh. 81 00:03:09,323 --> 00:03:10,491 Poor Harry. 82 00:03:10,524 --> 00:03:12,626 Ma'am, I asked you to wait outside. Aw. 83 00:03:12,660 --> 00:03:13,961 Is this Harry Clark, ma'am? 84 00:03:13,994 --> 00:03:15,663 Yeah. 85 00:03:15,696 --> 00:03:17,798 Although, come to think of it, 86 00:03:17,831 --> 00:03:19,733 I'm not sure that's his real name. 87 00:03:19,767 --> 00:03:21,802 What do you mean? 88 00:03:21,835 --> 00:03:23,804 I never saw a bank check with his name on it. 89 00:03:23,837 --> 00:03:25,673 Always paid the rent in cash. 90 00:03:25,706 --> 00:03:28,342 And some of his mail came with different names on it. 91 00:03:28,376 --> 00:03:30,578 Do you have a next of kin we can contact? 92 00:03:30,611 --> 00:03:32,713 No. No one ever visited him. 93 00:03:32,746 --> 00:03:35,916 Uh, Eddie, see if you can find some Vicks. 94 00:03:35,949 --> 00:03:37,485 The smell's starting to get to me. 95 00:03:37,518 --> 00:03:39,253 I may have some. Thank you, ma'am. 96 00:03:39,287 --> 00:03:40,654 We're all set, thank you. Oh. 97 00:03:40,688 --> 00:03:42,956 Well, if you need me for anything, just call me. 98 00:03:42,990 --> 00:03:44,958 And, you, just call me. 99 00:03:44,992 --> 00:03:45,993 Okay. 100 00:03:47,795 --> 00:03:50,230 (exhales) 101 00:04:07,781 --> 00:04:09,950 Good to see you, Nick. You're looking well. 102 00:04:09,983 --> 00:04:12,420 Thank you. You, too. 103 00:04:12,453 --> 00:04:13,587 Thanks for this. 104 00:04:13,621 --> 00:04:14,788 Yeah. 105 00:04:14,822 --> 00:04:15,889 How's the family? 106 00:04:15,923 --> 00:04:17,057 Good. 107 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:19,660 Yours? Grown up and out. 108 00:04:19,693 --> 00:04:22,863 Your son, kind of a hothead, whatever happened to him? 109 00:04:22,896 --> 00:04:24,932 Detective, first grade. Oh. 110 00:04:24,965 --> 00:04:27,301 And the other one, going to Harvard? 111 00:04:27,335 --> 00:04:28,669 On the job as well, 112 00:04:28,702 --> 00:04:31,038 and my daughter Erin works for the D.A.'s office. 113 00:04:31,071 --> 00:04:34,375 It's nice having a family business, huh? 114 00:04:35,409 --> 00:04:37,778 It is. 115 00:04:37,811 --> 00:04:41,048 You know, Frank, when I heard that you got your father's job, 116 00:04:41,081 --> 00:04:43,517 I was happy to hear that. 117 00:04:43,551 --> 00:04:45,052 They gave it to the right man. 118 00:04:45,085 --> 00:04:48,021 Thank you. 119 00:04:48,055 --> 00:04:49,289 Tyrell Dawes, come on in. 120 00:04:54,628 --> 00:04:56,897 Sit down. 121 00:05:11,512 --> 00:05:13,381 You know why you're here? 122 00:05:13,414 --> 00:05:15,349 My parole officer said I should come by here, 123 00:05:15,383 --> 00:05:17,485 but I didn't have to by law. 124 00:05:17,518 --> 00:05:19,387 This is your Offender Notification Forum. 125 00:05:19,420 --> 00:05:21,989 We hold them for people who just got out of prison 126 00:05:22,022 --> 00:05:23,691 with a high risk of going back. 127 00:05:23,724 --> 00:05:25,493 Come on, man, what do you got, a crystal ball? 128 00:05:25,526 --> 00:05:27,395 You're a gang member who just did three and a half 129 00:05:27,428 --> 00:05:28,862 for committing a robbery with a handgun 130 00:05:28,896 --> 00:05:30,864 in New York City. 131 00:05:35,803 --> 00:05:36,904 (scoffs) Come on, man. 132 00:05:36,937 --> 00:05:39,873 What do you got, an extra eight-by-ten for my moms? 133 00:05:39,907 --> 00:05:41,575 Turn it over. 134 00:05:44,077 --> 00:05:46,046 What's "15" mean? 135 00:05:46,079 --> 00:05:47,881 That's the number of years you'll do 136 00:05:47,915 --> 00:05:50,384 if you commit another crime with a gun. 137 00:05:50,418 --> 00:05:51,652 And that's a hard number; 138 00:05:51,685 --> 00:05:54,021 there won't be any pleading it down. 139 00:05:54,054 --> 00:05:56,857 It's up to you, Tyrell. 140 00:05:56,890 --> 00:05:58,792 None of y'all know me. 141 00:05:58,826 --> 00:06:01,061 None of y'all know where I been or where I'm going. 142 00:06:01,094 --> 00:06:02,430 Yeah, we do. 143 00:06:02,463 --> 00:06:04,732 You want to tell him or should I? 144 00:06:04,765 --> 00:06:06,534 May I? 145 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:10,904 I am here for the same reason that you are, 146 00:06:10,938 --> 00:06:12,840 because the commissioner asked me to be here, 147 00:06:12,873 --> 00:06:16,777 and because I just finished a 20-year bid of my own 148 00:06:16,810 --> 00:06:18,479 in the state prison. 149 00:06:18,512 --> 00:06:20,448 I could still be in that prison. 150 00:06:21,515 --> 00:06:24,084 I killed someone who threatened my family. 151 00:06:24,117 --> 00:06:25,753 Commissioner Reagan, who at that time 152 00:06:25,786 --> 00:06:27,187 was Detective Reagan, 153 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:29,457 he could've buried me. 154 00:06:29,490 --> 00:06:31,459 But he didn't. 155 00:06:31,492 --> 00:06:32,960 He gave me a fair shake. 156 00:06:32,993 --> 00:06:34,595 So... 157 00:06:34,628 --> 00:06:35,763 I'd listen to him. 158 00:06:42,102 --> 00:06:43,771 Man, is this real? 159 00:06:43,804 --> 00:06:45,806 Every word. 160 00:06:50,878 --> 00:06:53,481 (sighs) 161 00:06:53,514 --> 00:06:55,549 (exhales) 162 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:08,128 (panting) 163 00:07:08,161 --> 00:07:09,563 Look at this. 164 00:07:11,632 --> 00:07:13,467 They're all $100 bills. 165 00:07:13,501 --> 00:07:16,069 There's got to be tens of thousands of dollars in here. 166 00:07:16,103 --> 00:07:17,938 Eddie, I wouldn't be touching that. 167 00:07:20,508 --> 00:07:22,109 "Dear Sandi, I am so sorry about everything. 168 00:07:22,142 --> 00:07:24,712 Maybe the rest of this money will help." 169 00:07:24,745 --> 00:07:26,880 What's he got to be sorry for? 170 00:07:26,914 --> 00:07:28,916 Yeah, and who was he? 171 00:07:36,189 --> 00:07:38,559 * 172 00:07:59,613 --> 00:08:01,615 (groaning) DANNY: What do we got? 173 00:08:01,649 --> 00:08:03,984 Four wounded. One serious and likely to die. 174 00:08:04,017 --> 00:08:05,853 Shootout inside the diner. 175 00:08:05,886 --> 00:08:07,921 One of the rounds went through the front window. 176 00:08:07,955 --> 00:08:10,791 The likely is an Alex Kalamogdartis. 177 00:08:10,824 --> 00:08:11,792 Kala-what? 178 00:08:11,825 --> 00:08:13,026 I don't know, it's Greek. 179 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:14,795 Okay, what about the other three vics? 180 00:08:14,828 --> 00:08:15,963 Two of them were other customers, 181 00:08:15,996 --> 00:08:18,832 and the third was a 12-year-old boy walking by outside 182 00:08:18,866 --> 00:08:20,100 with his family. 183 00:08:20,133 --> 00:08:21,368 Don't ask me to pronounce his name. 184 00:08:21,401 --> 00:08:24,638 Okay, so we got a gang war at a greasy spoon. Any witnesses? 185 00:08:24,672 --> 00:08:26,740 Well, no one's talking about why it jumped off tonight. 186 00:08:26,774 --> 00:08:28,809 We do know this Alex may have had a dispute 187 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:29,610 with the management. 188 00:08:29,643 --> 00:08:31,579 Any actual witnesses to the shooting? 189 00:08:31,612 --> 00:08:32,913 Not so much. Hey, boss. 190 00:08:32,946 --> 00:08:34,948 Everyone's saying how it was too dark to see anything. 191 00:08:34,982 --> 00:08:36,149 Too dark in a brightly lit diner? 192 00:08:36,183 --> 00:08:37,918 Well, they've been renting it out 193 00:08:37,951 --> 00:08:39,286 as pop-up nightclub sometimes. 194 00:08:39,319 --> 00:08:40,854 The current owner is over there, 195 00:08:40,888 --> 00:08:42,990 Stavros Constantine. 196 00:08:43,023 --> 00:08:45,058 Hey, Stavros. 197 00:08:45,092 --> 00:08:48,128 Hey! Want to tell us what this is about? 198 00:08:48,161 --> 00:08:49,930 I mean, I have no idea. 199 00:08:49,963 --> 00:08:52,833 We've never had any trouble on club nights before. 200 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:55,836 Oh, well, can't imagine people shooting your place up 201 00:08:55,869 --> 00:08:57,938 if all you're doing is serving moussaka. 202 00:08:57,971 --> 00:08:59,139 Listen, I'm as confused as you are, okay? 203 00:08:59,172 --> 00:09:00,340 One minute, I'm in the back 204 00:09:00,373 --> 00:09:02,610 making sure we got enough champagne for bottle service, 205 00:09:02,643 --> 00:09:03,677 and the next, 206 00:09:03,711 --> 00:09:05,846 bang, bang, bang, it's all hell is breaking loose. 207 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:07,581 So you're trying to tell us 208 00:09:07,615 --> 00:09:09,016 you don't know anything about this Alex Kala-what? 209 00:09:09,049 --> 00:09:10,618 ...mogdartis. 210 00:09:10,651 --> 00:09:12,052 Kalamogdartis. Yeah, yeah, of course. 211 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:14,054 Of course I know Alex Kalamogdartis. 212 00:09:14,087 --> 00:09:16,056 It's like the Trojan War with our families. 213 00:09:16,089 --> 00:09:17,257 What's that mean? 214 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:18,859 He's been trying to take over our diner. 215 00:09:18,892 --> 00:09:19,827 Mm-hmm. But he's been doing that 216 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:22,830 to a lot of local businesses; he's a thug. 217 00:09:22,863 --> 00:09:24,064 And you have no idea who shot him. 218 00:09:24,097 --> 00:09:25,966 I'm afraid I-I can't help you. 219 00:09:25,999 --> 00:09:27,367 Can't or won't? 220 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,802 Okay, well, we're gonna assume 221 00:09:28,836 --> 00:09:30,237 that you don't have a cabaret license 222 00:09:30,270 --> 00:09:31,605 for this little nightclub of yours, 223 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:32,940 so here's what we're gonna do. 224 00:09:32,973 --> 00:09:34,274 You're gonna get your hands out of your pocket, 225 00:09:34,307 --> 00:09:35,843 and then you're gonna take a ride with us. 226 00:09:35,876 --> 00:09:37,878 See if that jogs your memory. Come on. 227 00:09:44,017 --> 00:09:45,886 (groans) So what? 228 00:09:45,919 --> 00:09:47,387 Now that the supervisors have been and gone, 229 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:49,122 we just have to sit here, 230 00:09:49,156 --> 00:09:51,659 safeguard the place until the public administrator 231 00:09:51,692 --> 00:09:55,362 comes and starts to try to make inventory of all this? 232 00:09:56,363 --> 00:09:58,031 Real-life police work, Eddie. 233 00:09:58,065 --> 00:09:59,933 It's not all paperwork and donuts. 234 00:09:59,967 --> 00:10:02,102 (chuckles) 235 00:10:02,135 --> 00:10:04,872 You know, we turned over a lot of money yesterday, 236 00:10:04,905 --> 00:10:06,940 and there's still no next of kin. 237 00:10:06,974 --> 00:10:09,409 Some of this junk lying around might be worth something. 238 00:10:09,442 --> 00:10:12,012 Bosses just want us to keep an eye on it 239 00:10:12,045 --> 00:10:14,381 till things get settled. 240 00:10:14,414 --> 00:10:17,851 Yeah, well, hey, can we open a window, please? 241 00:10:17,885 --> 00:10:19,319 The guy's gone, but that stink is 242 00:10:19,352 --> 00:10:21,354 very much still here. 243 00:10:25,826 --> 00:10:27,995 You know, 244 00:10:28,028 --> 00:10:30,330 Harry must have been hiding from something. 245 00:10:30,363 --> 00:10:33,100 Or someone. 246 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:35,703 Sounds like he's been locked up in this apartment 247 00:10:35,736 --> 00:10:36,970 the last 25 years. 248 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:41,942 Hey, Jamie, do you remember 249 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:45,012 the New York Benefactors' Trust robbery? 250 00:10:45,045 --> 00:10:47,748 1992, $21 million stolen. 251 00:10:47,781 --> 00:10:49,182 Yeah, biggest heist in the city's history. 252 00:10:49,216 --> 00:10:51,218 Most of it never recovered. 253 00:10:53,754 --> 00:10:57,024 Keep finding all these clippings that Harry kept about it. 254 00:11:00,060 --> 00:11:02,229 Jamie, you don't think... 255 00:11:02,262 --> 00:11:03,964 (sighs) 256 00:11:20,113 --> 00:11:22,750 Should we order first or argue first? 257 00:11:22,783 --> 00:11:24,785 I'm happy to get business out of the way. 258 00:11:24,818 --> 00:11:26,920 We have an arrest warrant for Jeffrey Durning, 259 00:11:26,954 --> 00:11:28,355 and I want to know where he is. 260 00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:30,190 What if I told you I don't know? 261 00:11:30,223 --> 00:11:31,792 Except that he's somewhere in Europe. 262 00:11:31,825 --> 00:11:33,393 I wouldn't believe you. 263 00:11:33,426 --> 00:11:35,062 This isn't about me. 264 00:11:35,095 --> 00:11:36,930 It's about the facts of the case. 265 00:11:36,964 --> 00:11:38,832 Right after the trial, 266 00:11:38,866 --> 00:11:43,837 I started hearing from witnesses that Beth might still be alive. 267 00:11:43,871 --> 00:11:46,039 She was a very unstable woman, Erin. 268 00:11:46,073 --> 00:11:47,975 We are going to retry this case. 269 00:11:48,008 --> 00:11:49,977 We just need him back in custody. 270 00:11:50,010 --> 00:11:53,080 Obviously, you're worried about losing this case 271 00:11:53,113 --> 00:11:55,148 in a court of public opinion before it goes to trial. 272 00:11:55,182 --> 00:11:56,483 If you have new evidence, 273 00:11:56,516 --> 00:11:58,285 why don't you come on my show to talk about it? 274 00:11:58,318 --> 00:12:00,988 How about this? 275 00:12:01,021 --> 00:12:03,523 I have you subpoenaed and brought before the grand jury, 276 00:12:03,556 --> 00:12:05,859 and if you don't answer the questions, I will ask the judge 277 00:12:05,893 --> 00:12:07,160 to hold you in contempt. 278 00:12:07,194 --> 00:12:08,428 You'll never win. 279 00:12:08,461 --> 00:12:09,830 Classic First Amendment case. 280 00:12:09,863 --> 00:12:12,099 But I don't have to tell you that, do I? 281 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,002 (sighs) 282 00:12:17,037 --> 00:12:18,505 Good luck, Erin. 283 00:12:18,538 --> 00:12:22,009 I guess I wasn't all that hungry anyway. 284 00:12:22,042 --> 00:12:23,343 But maybe you are. 285 00:12:34,187 --> 00:12:36,189 (indistinct chatter, phones ringing) 286 00:12:41,361 --> 00:12:44,097 You weren't 100% honest with us last night, were you? 287 00:12:44,131 --> 00:12:46,099 What do you mean? 288 00:12:46,133 --> 00:12:46,967 I think you had more than 289 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,269 breakfast, lunch and dinner on the menu. 290 00:12:49,302 --> 00:12:50,503 Alex K is a known drug dealer. 291 00:12:50,537 --> 00:12:52,105 He came to your place with a beef. 292 00:12:52,139 --> 00:12:53,373 Now, you're trying to tell me 293 00:12:53,406 --> 00:12:56,409 that if we bring the dogs in, they're not gonna find anything? 294 00:12:56,443 --> 00:12:58,011 I'm no drug dealer. 295 00:12:58,045 --> 00:12:59,279 I run a family business. 296 00:12:59,312 --> 00:13:02,049 Okay, well, maybe you wouldn't let him sell drugs in your club, 297 00:13:02,082 --> 00:13:03,783 and that's why he had a beef. 298 00:13:05,152 --> 00:13:07,054 Come on, help me understand here. 299 00:13:07,087 --> 00:13:09,122 (knocking on door) 300 00:13:09,156 --> 00:13:10,157 (sighs) 301 00:13:13,026 --> 00:13:15,095 Finally got a couple of witness statements 302 00:13:15,128 --> 00:13:18,031 and a photo from a parking lot camera. 303 00:13:23,103 --> 00:13:25,172 (whispers): Good work. 304 00:13:26,874 --> 00:13:28,541 Hmm. What's up? 305 00:13:28,575 --> 00:13:32,045 You know, I'm thinking, if you didn't fire the shots, 306 00:13:32,079 --> 00:13:34,181 then you definitely know who did. 307 00:13:34,214 --> 00:13:35,215 Who's this? 308 00:13:38,285 --> 00:13:39,920 I don't know. 309 00:13:39,953 --> 00:13:41,254 You want to keep your business? 310 00:13:41,288 --> 00:13:42,155 You're gonna take another look 311 00:13:42,189 --> 00:13:44,157 and give me an honest answer this time. 312 00:13:44,191 --> 00:13:46,193 Come on. 313 00:13:46,226 --> 00:13:48,195 Come on! Who is it?! 314 00:13:54,167 --> 00:13:56,303 It's my father. 315 00:14:02,275 --> 00:14:03,543 FRANK: Nick Constantine 316 00:14:03,576 --> 00:14:05,979 is hardly a friend; I arrested him once. 317 00:14:06,013 --> 00:14:06,980 Not just that. 318 00:14:07,014 --> 00:14:08,248 Your testimony at his trial... 319 00:14:08,281 --> 00:14:10,250 Was entirely truthful. 320 00:14:10,283 --> 00:14:11,218 And helpful to the defense. 321 00:14:11,251 --> 00:14:13,153 And now that same person 322 00:14:13,186 --> 00:14:15,956 was present, arguably with motive, at the scene 323 00:14:15,989 --> 00:14:17,257 of a shooting and can't be found. 324 00:14:17,290 --> 00:14:18,191 Am I, in some way, suggesting 325 00:14:18,225 --> 00:14:19,927 we give him a head start? No, boss. 326 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,328 Then what's your point? 327 00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:23,931 That old media has handed down the perception 328 00:14:23,964 --> 00:14:26,133 that you pulled punches when you testified at his trial. 329 00:14:26,166 --> 00:14:28,301 And two days ago, he was at your side 330 00:14:28,335 --> 00:14:30,137 at an Offender's Notification Forum 331 00:14:30,170 --> 00:14:32,039 in the role of model ex-con. 332 00:14:32,072 --> 00:14:33,673 I tell you what, you manage the perception, 333 00:14:33,706 --> 00:14:35,175 I'll manage my department. 334 00:14:35,208 --> 00:14:37,244 Less than a month ago, you came out strong 335 00:14:37,277 --> 00:14:38,578 against the mayor's Fresh Start program. 336 00:14:38,611 --> 00:14:39,579 This isn't that. 337 00:14:39,612 --> 00:14:42,215 Not your call, all due respect. 338 00:14:42,249 --> 00:14:43,416 You need to distance yourself from the appearance 339 00:14:43,450 --> 00:14:45,585 that you've put your eggs in the Nick Constantine basket. 340 00:14:45,618 --> 00:14:48,321 A man does a wrong thing once in his life, 341 00:14:48,355 --> 00:14:49,990 in this case, for the right reason. 342 00:14:50,023 --> 00:14:51,091 There is a part of me 343 00:14:51,124 --> 00:14:54,294 that believes that there can, in fact, be a chance 344 00:14:54,327 --> 00:14:56,329 for a second act in people's lives. 345 00:14:58,165 --> 00:14:59,499 Any idea where he's headed? 346 00:14:59,532 --> 00:15:02,302 We're tracking friends, cell records and credit cards, 347 00:15:02,335 --> 00:15:03,603 but after 20 years, 348 00:15:03,636 --> 00:15:05,973 he doesn't have that much of a network to plug into. 349 00:15:06,006 --> 00:15:07,374 Which means he can't be that far. 350 00:15:07,407 --> 00:15:08,541 Let's make it clear 351 00:15:08,575 --> 00:15:10,243 that we're devoting all our resources 352 00:15:10,277 --> 00:15:12,712 to hunting him down and making sure he pays. 353 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:14,614 In other words, grandstand before all the facts are in. 354 00:15:16,116 --> 00:15:18,085 Is he even the prime suspect? 355 00:15:18,118 --> 00:15:20,988 Well, he's more than a person of interest. 356 00:15:21,021 --> 00:15:23,523 Then let's just find him. 357 00:15:29,762 --> 00:15:33,400 Yeah. Yeah, thanks. 358 00:15:33,433 --> 00:15:35,302 Public administrator's gonna be another day. 359 00:15:35,335 --> 00:15:36,970 They are backed up and understaffed. 360 00:15:37,004 --> 00:15:39,606 Well, Jamie, I just found more cash. 361 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:41,241 Shouldn't we tell 362 00:15:41,274 --> 00:15:42,542 major case this could all be connected 363 00:15:42,575 --> 00:15:44,077 to that bank robbery? 364 00:15:44,111 --> 00:15:45,345 I already put a call in. 365 00:15:45,378 --> 00:15:47,147 It's no longer an active investigation. 366 00:15:47,180 --> 00:15:48,715 All the robbers are either 367 00:15:48,748 --> 00:15:50,317 dead or in prison, and the bank went under 368 00:15:50,350 --> 00:15:51,351 in the crash of '08. 369 00:15:51,384 --> 00:15:53,686 We got no reason to think that Harry was involved 370 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,155 other than the clippings. 371 00:15:55,188 --> 00:15:56,623 This cash could be legitimate. 372 00:15:56,656 --> 00:15:58,325 Well, then where did all the money come from? 373 00:15:58,358 --> 00:15:59,659 Doesn't look like this guy's had a job 374 00:15:59,692 --> 00:16:01,461 in a really long time. 375 00:16:01,494 --> 00:16:04,331 And why all this dog stuff and no dog? 376 00:16:04,364 --> 00:16:07,334 Hey, we just walked in your apartment, what would we find? 377 00:16:07,367 --> 00:16:09,236 Some laundry that needs to be folded, 378 00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:12,105 couple unpaid bills, maybe something in the DVD player 379 00:16:12,139 --> 00:16:13,406 I'd rather nobody find out. 380 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:14,474 Really? 381 00:16:14,507 --> 00:16:16,376 The Little Mermaid. 382 00:16:16,409 --> 00:16:17,377 Oh. 383 00:16:17,410 --> 00:16:19,379 Jamie, I don't know. 384 00:16:19,412 --> 00:16:22,082 Part of me thinks this could be an integrity test by IAB 385 00:16:22,115 --> 00:16:23,383 to see what we would actually do. 386 00:16:23,416 --> 00:16:25,252 Do you know how crazy that sounds? 387 00:16:25,285 --> 00:16:26,253 (scoffs) 388 00:16:26,286 --> 00:16:28,388 (knocking on door) 389 00:16:31,324 --> 00:16:32,659 Can I help you? 390 00:16:32,692 --> 00:16:34,761 Officer Jamie Reagan? 391 00:16:34,794 --> 00:16:38,231 You left a message for me. 392 00:16:38,265 --> 00:16:39,332 About Harry Clark. 393 00:16:39,366 --> 00:16:41,068 I'm Sandi Harper. 394 00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:43,303 This is my grandson, David. 395 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:45,305 You knew him? He was a friend? 396 00:16:45,338 --> 00:16:47,240 I knew him. 397 00:16:47,274 --> 00:16:50,710 I wouldn't say he was a friend exactly. 398 00:16:50,743 --> 00:16:52,779 He just sent me money. 399 00:16:56,716 --> 00:16:59,286 Mindy, I don't know what this is. 400 00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:01,654 You gave us a statement that Jeffrey told you 401 00:17:01,688 --> 00:17:02,589 about killing his wife, 402 00:17:02,622 --> 00:17:04,457 and now you're just trying to take it back? 403 00:17:06,159 --> 00:17:09,729 Jeffrey came to visit me the other night. 404 00:17:09,762 --> 00:17:11,464 At my apartment. 405 00:17:11,498 --> 00:17:12,765 He's still in town? 406 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:14,301 He heard that I was helping you 407 00:17:14,334 --> 00:17:16,769 and telling you the things that he said about Beth 408 00:17:16,803 --> 00:17:18,305 and how she disappeared. 409 00:17:18,338 --> 00:17:20,240 Did he say how he heard? 410 00:17:20,273 --> 00:17:23,410 It sounded like he had a source that knew people at this office. 411 00:17:26,413 --> 00:17:29,349 He said that I could disappear, too. 412 00:17:29,382 --> 00:17:30,517 Just like Beth. 413 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:32,419 He directly threatened you? 414 00:17:32,452 --> 00:17:35,222 He made it clear that it wouldn't be good for me. 415 00:17:35,255 --> 00:17:36,689 He called me his little shark bait. 416 00:17:36,723 --> 00:17:38,391 Like it was a joke. 417 00:17:38,425 --> 00:17:40,627 And then he left. 418 00:17:40,660 --> 00:17:43,396 He thinks you guys will never find him. 419 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:47,267 I understand you're scared, but we need your testimony. 420 00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,702 Otherwise, he's gonna go out and do this to someone else. 421 00:17:49,736 --> 00:17:52,539 Seriously? Like this is my fault? 422 00:17:53,873 --> 00:17:55,608 I tried to tell you people about this before, 423 00:17:55,642 --> 00:17:56,676 and you wouldn't believe me. 424 00:17:56,709 --> 00:17:59,179 You tried to tell who? 425 00:17:59,212 --> 00:18:02,149 The prosecutor who had this case before you. 426 00:18:02,182 --> 00:18:03,783 Kathy Elliott. 427 00:18:11,458 --> 00:18:13,526 DANNY: Traffic camera last spotted Nick's car 428 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,328 at this intersection. 429 00:18:16,796 --> 00:18:19,332 You see anything yet? 430 00:18:19,366 --> 00:18:21,168 BAEZ: This is it. 431 00:18:21,201 --> 00:18:22,635 This is the car Nick was driving. 432 00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:23,636 Of all the places 433 00:18:23,670 --> 00:18:25,505 he could be hiding out, and he chooses a diner? 434 00:18:25,538 --> 00:18:27,140 Well, it makes sense. 435 00:18:27,174 --> 00:18:28,475 He's probably hungry, doesn't have a lot of cash. 436 00:18:28,508 --> 00:18:29,409 Go with what you know. 437 00:18:29,442 --> 00:18:31,478 Like a married guy who divorces his wife, 438 00:18:31,511 --> 00:18:33,446 then marries the same kind of girl. 439 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:34,847 Shouldn't we call it in 440 00:18:34,881 --> 00:18:36,416 and wait for backup? No. 441 00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:38,485 We're not gonna let him run out on the check this time. 442 00:18:38,518 --> 00:18:39,486 (sighs) 443 00:18:39,519 --> 00:18:41,488 (indistinct chatter) 444 00:18:54,401 --> 00:18:56,636 You go that way. 445 00:18:57,737 --> 00:19:00,240 Excuse me. I need you to follow me. 446 00:19:00,273 --> 00:19:02,909 Nick Constantine. 447 00:19:04,244 --> 00:19:06,413 How the hell you been? 448 00:19:07,447 --> 00:19:08,748 Remind me. 449 00:19:08,781 --> 00:19:09,882 Danny Reagan. 450 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:12,452 Think you know my old man. 451 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:16,256 Right, Danny. 452 00:19:16,289 --> 00:19:17,424 The hothead. 453 00:19:17,457 --> 00:19:18,425 How you doing? 454 00:19:18,458 --> 00:19:20,427 Maybe we should talk outside. 455 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:23,230 Why would I do that? 456 00:19:23,263 --> 00:19:25,164 Everybody out of the diner. Let's go. 457 00:19:26,533 --> 00:19:27,734 Let's go. Come on. Come on. 458 00:19:40,547 --> 00:19:42,315 You know, Danny, 459 00:19:42,349 --> 00:19:43,850 at my age... 460 00:19:45,885 --> 00:19:48,455 ...I'm not going back to prison. 461 00:19:48,488 --> 00:19:50,923 We can do this the hard way if you want. 462 00:19:50,957 --> 00:19:52,625 But I think you might've caused 463 00:19:52,659 --> 00:19:54,894 enough pain for your family already. 464 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,472 If... if I come with you, 465 00:20:05,505 --> 00:20:08,541 quietly... 466 00:20:08,575 --> 00:20:10,610 it's on one condition. 467 00:20:10,643 --> 00:20:12,379 I'm listening. 468 00:20:12,412 --> 00:20:15,682 I talk to Frank. 469 00:20:15,715 --> 00:20:17,684 Nobody else. 470 00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:19,386 Just Frank. 471 00:20:21,421 --> 00:20:22,989 I'll see what I could do. 472 00:20:35,902 --> 00:20:38,338 What's the old man doing? 473 00:20:38,371 --> 00:20:39,839 Talk to him. 474 00:20:51,918 --> 00:20:54,987 I got word your suspect wanted to speak to me. 475 00:20:55,021 --> 00:20:56,889 Yeah, he asked. 476 00:20:56,923 --> 00:20:58,625 And I didn't say yes. 477 00:20:58,658 --> 00:21:00,593 Why not? 478 00:21:00,627 --> 00:21:02,929 I don't typically offer up the commissioner's time 479 00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:04,464 as part of my deals. 480 00:21:04,497 --> 00:21:07,434 I'd like to make an exception in this instance. 481 00:21:07,467 --> 00:21:09,702 Well, since when do you come down here 482 00:21:09,736 --> 00:21:11,338 because a suspect asked you to? 483 00:21:11,371 --> 00:21:14,641 Can't think of the last time I did. 484 00:21:14,674 --> 00:21:16,843 Look, 485 00:21:16,876 --> 00:21:18,545 I know he's your collar, 486 00:21:18,578 --> 00:21:22,081 and you certainly don't need my help, Detective. 487 00:21:22,114 --> 00:21:24,317 You're as good as I got, but... 488 00:21:26,719 --> 00:21:28,721 ...he was my collar first. 489 00:21:31,724 --> 00:21:33,426 I have to know. 490 00:21:33,460 --> 00:21:35,928 Well, he's in the box. 491 00:21:35,962 --> 00:21:39,932 It might be better if I talked to him in here. 492 00:21:41,734 --> 00:21:43,436 Okay. 493 00:21:43,470 --> 00:21:44,604 Thank you. 494 00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:46,973 By the way, the gun we found on him 495 00:21:47,006 --> 00:21:49,308 does match the one used in the murder. 496 00:21:55,648 --> 00:21:57,717 (door closes) 497 00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:12,832 The coffee at our diner used to be the best coffee in the city. 498 00:22:12,865 --> 00:22:14,834 There's no chain places, 499 00:22:14,867 --> 00:22:17,704 one supplier for all of the diners in town. 500 00:22:17,737 --> 00:22:20,473 No special bean that comes out of a cat's ass. 501 00:22:20,507 --> 00:22:23,009 I didn't come down here to reminisce about coffee. 502 00:22:23,042 --> 00:22:24,777 Hmm. 503 00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:27,880 Alex Kalamogdartis. 504 00:22:27,914 --> 00:22:30,116 He was not a nice young man, Frank. 505 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:33,352 Well, he died this morning. 506 00:22:34,821 --> 00:22:36,423 And "not nice" is not grounds 507 00:22:36,456 --> 00:22:38,525 for a justifiable homicide, Nick. 508 00:22:38,558 --> 00:22:39,659 Rotten apple from a rotten tree. 509 00:22:39,692 --> 00:22:42,695 Come on, the kid had a record as long as the old man. 510 00:22:42,729 --> 00:22:44,030 I know that. 511 00:22:44,063 --> 00:22:45,398 Tell me what happened. 512 00:22:45,432 --> 00:22:46,766 I got nothing to tell. 513 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,401 I'm at my family restaurant, 514 00:22:48,435 --> 00:22:49,969 celebrating my freedom. 515 00:22:50,002 --> 00:22:51,704 In walks the kid. 516 00:22:51,738 --> 00:22:53,172 Hot and bothered, stirring up trouble. 517 00:22:53,205 --> 00:22:54,941 Just like his old man. 518 00:22:54,974 --> 00:22:56,976 Next thing I know, bodies are falling. 519 00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:58,545 Who fired the shots? 520 00:22:58,578 --> 00:23:00,447 I don't know; it was dark, it was crowded, 521 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:01,914 music was loud. 522 00:23:03,583 --> 00:23:04,751 Why do we have 523 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:07,954 this picture of you leaving with the gun? 524 00:23:07,987 --> 00:23:10,957 (exhales) 525 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:12,459 I wasn't thinking, Frank. 526 00:23:12,492 --> 00:23:14,427 I panicked when I saw the gun on the floor. 527 00:23:14,461 --> 00:23:16,929 All I could think was I got to get it out of here. 528 00:23:16,963 --> 00:23:20,132 You got a problem, or does the problem have you? 529 00:23:21,701 --> 00:23:23,870 You trying to cover for somebody? 530 00:23:23,903 --> 00:23:24,737 Not at all. 531 00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:26,839 Like, maybe you got used to life inside, 532 00:23:26,873 --> 00:23:28,007 had it wired pretty good. 533 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:29,141 You're dead wrong. 534 00:23:29,175 --> 00:23:30,810 I'm not covering for anybody. 535 00:23:30,843 --> 00:23:32,879 Right, and you have no idea who the shooter was 536 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:34,747 in your own restaurant, with your own people around. 537 00:23:34,781 --> 00:23:36,082 Nobody saw nothing. 538 00:23:40,219 --> 00:23:42,589 Where was your boy when this happened? 539 00:23:42,622 --> 00:23:43,956 In the back. 540 00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:46,526 Who with? I don't know. 541 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:50,530 (sighs) I gave you the benefit of the doubt once. 542 00:23:50,563 --> 00:23:52,131 You owe me the truth. 543 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:57,837 I paid my debt to the State of New York. 544 00:23:57,870 --> 00:23:59,872 20 years. 545 00:23:59,906 --> 00:24:03,710 I gave it 20 years of my life. 546 00:24:03,743 --> 00:24:06,212 I don't owe anybody anything else. 547 00:24:06,245 --> 00:24:09,616 Not good enough. 548 00:24:09,649 --> 00:24:10,850 Start over. 549 00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:15,187 SANDI: That's Harry. 550 00:24:15,221 --> 00:24:17,023 With my late husband David. 551 00:24:17,056 --> 00:24:19,158 Two of them were thick as thieves. 552 00:24:19,191 --> 00:24:22,762 Drinking and gambling every night at the Old Bluff. 553 00:24:22,795 --> 00:24:24,764 Sandi, you said that you weren't friends with Harry, 554 00:24:24,797 --> 00:24:26,866 but he kept sending you money. 555 00:24:26,899 --> 00:24:27,867 Why? 556 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:28,835 Oh, I don't know. 557 00:24:28,868 --> 00:24:30,136 Maybe he felt sorry for me 558 00:24:30,169 --> 00:24:32,505 because I had to raise my grandson on my own. 559 00:24:32,539 --> 00:24:34,974 The child has special needs. 560 00:24:35,007 --> 00:24:36,175 He's smart. 561 00:24:36,208 --> 00:24:39,512 And he was doing well in the program I sent him to. 562 00:24:39,546 --> 00:24:40,980 That school they had him in? 563 00:24:41,013 --> 00:24:43,082 Full of screamers and head bangers. 564 00:24:43,115 --> 00:24:45,251 How much was Harry sending? 565 00:24:45,284 --> 00:24:47,587 Are you gonna tell the IRS? 566 00:24:47,620 --> 00:24:48,955 No. 567 00:24:48,988 --> 00:24:51,824 Never more than ten grand. 568 00:24:51,858 --> 00:24:53,826 Every few months. 569 00:24:53,860 --> 00:24:55,928 Now the program says David can't come back 570 00:24:55,962 --> 00:24:57,897 until I pay the next bill. 571 00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:59,966 Sandi, I hate to ask you this, 572 00:24:59,999 --> 00:25:02,935 but that's a lot of money for a guy that didn't have a job. 573 00:25:04,236 --> 00:25:06,005 Do you know anything about Harry's involvement 574 00:25:06,038 --> 00:25:07,106 in the Benny Trust heist? 575 00:25:09,141 --> 00:25:10,843 That's where my husband worked. 576 00:25:10,877 --> 00:25:13,846 What did he do there? 577 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,982 He was a guard. 578 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:19,185 The guard who got killed in the robbery? 579 00:25:19,218 --> 00:25:23,122 The bank got their money back from the insurance, 580 00:25:23,155 --> 00:25:25,725 and then went under before they paid our benefits 581 00:25:25,758 --> 00:25:27,159 like they promised. 582 00:25:27,193 --> 00:25:29,696 Harry was the only one looking out for us. 583 00:25:29,729 --> 00:25:31,898 Did you ever ask where he got the cash? 584 00:25:31,931 --> 00:25:32,865 No. 585 00:25:32,899 --> 00:25:35,668 But I knew something was eating him inside. 586 00:25:35,702 --> 00:25:37,203 And they always said 587 00:25:37,236 --> 00:25:39,706 the robbers must have had an inside tip. 588 00:25:39,739 --> 00:25:41,708 You think Harry was the conduit, 589 00:25:41,741 --> 00:25:43,676 because he was drinking buddies with your husband? 590 00:25:43,710 --> 00:25:45,311 He sure acted guilty around me. 591 00:25:45,344 --> 00:25:47,013 You think he got a cut afterward? 592 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:49,048 I don't know. 593 00:25:49,081 --> 00:25:50,883 I needed the money. 594 00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:52,685 For my grandson. 595 00:25:53,986 --> 00:25:56,689 I guess you got a judgment about that, huh? 596 00:25:56,723 --> 00:25:59,759 I don't know what to think. 597 00:25:59,792 --> 00:26:02,862 So what happens now? 598 00:26:06,933 --> 00:26:07,900 Hey, Reagan. 599 00:26:07,934 --> 00:26:10,136 What the hell do you want? 600 00:26:10,169 --> 00:26:12,371 I heard you had my father here. 601 00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:14,607 Yeah. Well, unless you got something new to offer 602 00:26:14,641 --> 00:26:15,908 that you held back on before, 603 00:26:15,942 --> 00:26:17,944 there's nothing you can do to help him now. 604 00:26:17,977 --> 00:26:18,978 Wait. 605 00:26:20,813 --> 00:26:23,049 I think you're gonna want to hear this. 606 00:26:23,082 --> 00:26:26,252 Okay. 607 00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:27,954 Come on. 608 00:26:38,130 --> 00:26:40,266 (metallic click) 609 00:26:40,299 --> 00:26:41,300 Whew. 610 00:26:45,838 --> 00:26:48,675 We're good to go? 611 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:49,976 GPS is working. 612 00:26:50,009 --> 00:26:52,011 We good with the warrant? Just in time. 613 00:26:52,044 --> 00:26:53,379 Judge says, "Kathy's her own worst enemy." 614 00:26:53,412 --> 00:26:55,347 If she wasn't pushing this-- 615 00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,349 a live video interview to drive up ratings-- 616 00:26:57,383 --> 00:27:01,087 we wouldn't have probable cause she was meeting with Jeffrey. 617 00:27:02,689 --> 00:27:04,356 There she is. 618 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,062 Can't believe she's doing this. 619 00:27:10,096 --> 00:27:13,132 She was one of the best trial lawyers I ever worked with. 620 00:27:13,165 --> 00:27:16,202 One thing about Kathy, she was always more about 621 00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:18,137 the attention than the case. 622 00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:21,240 Let's go. 623 00:27:21,273 --> 00:27:23,042 Please, don't complain about the driving today. 624 00:27:23,075 --> 00:27:24,076 (engine starts) 625 00:27:27,113 --> 00:27:29,115 No promises. 626 00:27:31,317 --> 00:27:34,253 My father's the strongest man I know. 627 00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:36,222 I could never be like him. 628 00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:37,289 Okay. 629 00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:39,058 He did 20 years in state prison, 630 00:27:39,091 --> 00:27:40,292 and he never complained about the food. 631 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:42,161 After being in the restaurant business. 632 00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:46,432 No, he... 633 00:27:46,465 --> 00:27:49,068 he deserves to have his life back. 634 00:27:49,101 --> 00:27:50,336 He only just met his granddaughter. 635 00:27:50,369 --> 00:27:53,973 I'm sure this is all going someplace. 636 00:27:54,006 --> 00:27:56,075 When Alex Kalamogdartis 637 00:27:56,108 --> 00:27:58,110 came in the other night and started threatening him, 638 00:27:58,144 --> 00:27:59,245 I couldn't take it. 639 00:27:59,278 --> 00:28:01,848 So you're saying you were there during the argument. 640 00:28:01,881 --> 00:28:03,015 Yes, yes. 641 00:28:03,049 --> 00:28:04,216 I'm sorry that I lied before. 642 00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:06,085 Like I said, I'm not as strong as Papa. 643 00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:08,220 Okay, we've moved past that. 644 00:28:08,254 --> 00:28:11,257 So you heard Alex threaten your dad, then what did you do? 645 00:28:13,259 --> 00:28:15,294 I went, I went and I got my cousin's gun 646 00:28:15,327 --> 00:28:16,495 from under the cash register. 647 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:18,230 And then what? 648 00:28:18,264 --> 00:28:21,067 And then I just started shooting. 649 00:28:23,102 --> 00:28:27,306 And shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting! 650 00:28:28,374 --> 00:28:30,142 After it was done, 651 00:28:30,176 --> 00:28:33,045 Papa took the gun and told me to keep my mouth shut. 652 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,048 Okay. I did it. 653 00:28:36,082 --> 00:28:37,116 Yeah. 654 00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:40,086 I'm gonna need you to write that all down, okay? 655 00:28:45,124 --> 00:28:47,059 My father's still got 656 00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:49,095 a few good years left. 657 00:28:49,128 --> 00:28:52,932 I can't let him go back to prison for something that I did. 658 00:29:00,006 --> 00:29:02,241 You want a lawyer? 659 00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:04,110 Now? Seriously? 660 00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:05,978 Yeah. It's my right. I didn't shoot the kid. 661 00:29:06,012 --> 00:29:07,546 You got no right to keep me here. 662 00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:08,815 You asked for me. 663 00:29:08,848 --> 00:29:10,516 And now you want a lawyer? 664 00:29:13,285 --> 00:29:15,487 It's done. 665 00:29:15,521 --> 00:29:16,856 He confessed. 666 00:29:31,337 --> 00:29:33,139 (sighs) 667 00:29:33,172 --> 00:29:34,373 Full statement? 668 00:29:34,406 --> 00:29:37,043 Signed, sealed and delivered. 669 00:29:37,076 --> 00:29:38,410 Good work. 670 00:29:38,444 --> 00:29:39,411 Stavros... (speaks Greek) 671 00:29:39,445 --> 00:29:40,479 In English. 672 00:29:40,512 --> 00:29:42,949 Papa, I'm sorry. Don't do this. 673 00:29:42,982 --> 00:29:45,017 STAVROS: I already did. NICK: No, you didn't. 674 00:29:45,051 --> 00:29:46,418 I shot him, Papa. 675 00:29:46,452 --> 00:29:47,887 He didn't give me a choice. 676 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,856 Take him down to Central Booking. 677 00:29:49,889 --> 00:29:51,057 Yes, sir. Come on. Wait a minute. 678 00:29:51,090 --> 00:29:52,291 Wait a minute! Wait a minute! 679 00:29:59,866 --> 00:30:01,868 (sighs) 680 00:30:05,938 --> 00:30:09,508 I don't think you're gonna let him do this, Nick. 681 00:30:09,541 --> 00:30:13,980 You're not a perfect man, but you love your family 682 00:30:14,013 --> 00:30:15,982 and you love your son. 683 00:30:22,121 --> 00:30:25,024 It's how it had to be, Frank. 684 00:30:25,057 --> 00:30:29,495 Otherwise, those people were never gonna let us be. 685 00:30:29,528 --> 00:30:31,630 Ready to make a statement? 686 00:30:31,663 --> 00:30:34,600 Yes, I am. 687 00:30:39,238 --> 00:30:42,041 We got the cuffs on the wrong man. 688 00:30:53,019 --> 00:30:55,087 * 689 00:31:12,404 --> 00:31:14,240 Nice ride. Smart. 690 00:31:14,273 --> 00:31:17,109 Jeffrey knew we'd be looking for him 691 00:31:17,143 --> 00:31:19,511 at the airfields, so he's all set to get away by land. 692 00:31:19,545 --> 00:31:22,581 Well, I guess looking back, I could've seen the signs. 693 00:31:22,614 --> 00:31:25,251 Beth was always a little flighty. 694 00:31:25,284 --> 00:31:27,353 That was part of the energy that drew me to her. 695 00:31:27,386 --> 00:31:28,520 She started disappearing for 696 00:31:28,554 --> 00:31:30,389 longer and longer periods of time. 697 00:31:30,422 --> 00:31:32,424 And then one night, she just didn't come back. 698 00:31:32,458 --> 00:31:33,559 (door opens) 699 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:36,295 You two, sit down. 700 00:31:37,463 --> 00:31:38,998 And shut that off. 701 00:31:39,966 --> 00:31:42,234 On your feet, Doc. Come on. 702 00:31:42,268 --> 00:31:45,137 Come on! 703 00:31:45,171 --> 00:31:47,139 Looks like this interview is over, Kathy. 704 00:31:47,173 --> 00:31:49,208 Jeffrey Durning, we have a warrant for your arrest. 705 00:31:50,376 --> 00:31:51,377 Wait, this is all wrong. 706 00:31:51,410 --> 00:31:54,180 We also have a warrant for yo arrest. 707 00:31:54,213 --> 00:31:55,481 For what? 708 00:31:55,514 --> 00:31:56,315 Hindering prosecution. 709 00:31:56,348 --> 00:31:58,384 You lied to us about where he was, 710 00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:00,119 and you're assisting a fugitive. 711 00:32:00,152 --> 00:32:01,353 Wait. 712 00:32:01,387 --> 00:32:03,255 There's something you need to see 713 00:32:03,289 --> 00:32:05,124 that changes this whole case. 714 00:32:05,157 --> 00:32:06,325 Oh, really? 715 00:32:08,327 --> 00:32:09,361 This... 716 00:32:09,395 --> 00:32:11,363 was taken in Caracas 717 00:32:11,397 --> 00:32:13,299 two days ago by a friend of Beth's. 718 00:32:14,466 --> 00:32:16,468 She's still alive. 719 00:32:23,442 --> 00:32:24,643 (groans) Hey. 720 00:32:24,676 --> 00:32:27,213 Hey. Put the brisket in the fridge. 721 00:32:27,246 --> 00:32:29,348 I got us a bottle of wine; we're in business. 722 00:32:29,381 --> 00:32:30,216 Grandpa, 723 00:32:30,249 --> 00:32:32,718 do you remember the Benny Trust heist? 724 00:32:32,751 --> 00:32:34,386 Oh, sure I do. 725 00:32:34,420 --> 00:32:35,988 Happened when I was PC. 726 00:32:36,022 --> 00:32:37,990 We always heard that it was an inside job, 727 00:32:38,024 --> 00:32:39,391 but we could never prove it. 728 00:32:39,425 --> 00:32:41,560 Most of the thieves killed each other 729 00:32:41,593 --> 00:32:43,662 before they could spend the money. Why? 730 00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:45,731 Just a hypothetical, but what if I told you 731 00:32:45,764 --> 00:32:48,334 that I found some of the money? 732 00:32:48,367 --> 00:32:49,468 I'd say forget the brisket, 733 00:32:49,501 --> 00:32:52,571 you're taking us to Peter Luger's for family dinner. 734 00:32:52,604 --> 00:32:54,073 (chuckles) 735 00:32:56,075 --> 00:32:58,710 Seriously, it's a closed case, isn't it? 736 00:32:58,744 --> 00:33:03,015 No, the term is "not an active investigation." 737 00:33:03,049 --> 00:33:04,383 Big difference. 738 00:33:06,585 --> 00:33:08,554 Let's just say a couple of partners 739 00:33:08,587 --> 00:33:11,423 stumble on a bundle of cash in a dead man's apartment. 740 00:33:11,457 --> 00:33:14,226 Well, if they take it for themselves, 741 00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:18,397 they're out of a job and maybe on their way to prison. 742 00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:21,333 Let's just say though that they've made all the right calls 743 00:33:21,367 --> 00:33:23,169 and turns out nobody's looking for that money, 744 00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:25,437 but it's clear that the dead guy 745 00:33:25,471 --> 00:33:28,207 wanted to leave it to somebody who really needed it. 746 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,276 He died without leaving a will? 747 00:33:30,309 --> 00:33:31,743 Yeah. 748 00:33:31,777 --> 00:33:34,213 Well, then it goes to the public administrator. 749 00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:36,615 What if they just don't find all of it? 750 00:33:36,648 --> 00:33:41,320 Well, then these partners have an interesting dilemma. 751 00:33:44,390 --> 00:33:47,259 A few years before the heist, 752 00:33:47,293 --> 00:33:49,595 I was up in the Bronx for the Big Blackout. 753 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:53,232 The looting was insane. 754 00:33:53,265 --> 00:33:55,834 We were locking up people left, right and center. 755 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:59,571 Someone had broken the front window 756 00:33:59,605 --> 00:34:03,675 of a store that charged the most ridiculous prices. 757 00:34:03,709 --> 00:34:08,114 I saw a lady my age, with three little kids, 758 00:34:08,147 --> 00:34:10,549 carrying out a bag full of diapers and groceries. 759 00:34:12,351 --> 00:34:15,421 I looked her straight in the eye... 760 00:34:15,454 --> 00:34:17,123 and I let her go. 761 00:34:17,156 --> 00:34:20,392 I made a judgment call. 762 00:34:20,426 --> 00:34:24,230 Every good cop's got to be able to make one. 763 00:34:24,263 --> 00:34:27,266 Not that we're talking about anything real here. 764 00:34:36,175 --> 00:34:37,476 (video game beeping quietly) 765 00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:38,744 You sure this is okay? 766 00:34:38,777 --> 00:34:41,213 The public administrators are already done. 767 00:34:41,247 --> 00:34:42,714 You're the closest thing to a family friend. 768 00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:44,716 We're just giving you a chance to pick out 769 00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:46,885 some clothes for Harry, for the funeral. 770 00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:50,289 No one else is coming? 771 00:34:50,322 --> 00:34:52,324 He had no will, no heirs. 772 00:34:52,358 --> 00:34:54,493 Just the letter to you. 773 00:34:54,526 --> 00:34:55,761 So, we'll give you an hour. 774 00:34:55,794 --> 00:34:57,629 Whatever you leave behind goes to the landlady 775 00:34:57,663 --> 00:35:00,166 or the-the clean-out company. 776 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,468 Just... 777 00:35:02,501 --> 00:35:06,205 make sure you look everywhere-- the cupboards, the closets... 778 00:35:07,539 --> 00:35:10,276 ...under the bed. 779 00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:25,391 I'm still not sure about this. 780 00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:26,825 Public administrators got most of the cash 781 00:35:26,858 --> 00:35:28,294 that was just lying around. 782 00:35:28,327 --> 00:35:29,295 We both know there's more. 783 00:35:29,328 --> 00:35:31,463 And no one's looking for it. 784 00:35:31,497 --> 00:35:33,299 Sandi needs that money to keep her grandson 785 00:35:33,332 --> 00:35:34,466 in that special school. 786 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:37,469 Just doesn't feel right. 787 00:35:37,503 --> 00:35:39,738 What if someone starts asking questions later? 788 00:35:39,771 --> 00:35:44,142 Guess you'll have to decide if you're gonna rat me out. 789 00:35:50,749 --> 00:35:54,920 I can't believe you had me arrested on felony charges. 790 00:35:54,953 --> 00:35:56,622 Well, you knew where Jeffrey Durning was 791 00:35:56,655 --> 00:35:59,358 and you chose to mislead us and protect him. 792 00:35:59,391 --> 00:36:01,360 The flaw in your argument 793 00:36:01,393 --> 00:36:02,828 is that there is no underlying crime. 794 00:36:02,861 --> 00:36:04,463 Really? 795 00:36:04,496 --> 00:36:06,298 I've given you proof. 796 00:36:06,332 --> 00:36:08,700 You mean that picture from Venezuela? 797 00:36:08,734 --> 00:36:11,470 It kind of blows the whole case out of the water, Anthony, 798 00:36:11,503 --> 00:36:13,205 doesn't it? One little problem. 799 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,674 I just got off the phone with the guy in the photo. 800 00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:17,676 He's five-foot-six. 801 00:36:17,709 --> 00:36:19,511 Beth was five-foot-ten. 802 00:36:19,545 --> 00:36:22,548 And in the photo, she's looking up at him. 803 00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:26,252 How's a woman who's four inches taller 804 00:36:26,285 --> 00:36:27,786 appearing shorter? 805 00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:33,525 Obviously, it would be tough. 806 00:36:33,559 --> 00:36:35,494 I'd say. 807 00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:36,695 Doesn't mean I'm wrong about everything. 808 00:36:36,728 --> 00:36:38,564 You're just trying to neutralize me 809 00:36:38,597 --> 00:36:40,399 because you're afraid the former prosecutor 810 00:36:40,432 --> 00:36:42,468 is gonna make Jeffrey's defense a slam dunk. 811 00:36:42,501 --> 00:36:45,003 What about all the witnesses Jeffrey intimidated? 812 00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:47,239 Their stories didn't hold up. 813 00:36:47,273 --> 00:36:49,675 Then why did Jeffrey go to Mindy's apartment the other day 814 00:36:49,708 --> 00:36:50,742 and threaten her? 815 00:36:54,813 --> 00:36:57,449 He's worried the truth will come out. 816 00:36:59,485 --> 00:37:01,620 I had no idea he'd done this. 817 00:37:01,653 --> 00:37:04,956 You let your ego get ahead of the facts in this case, 818 00:37:04,990 --> 00:37:07,826 and you've been poisoning the jury pool with your podcast. 819 00:37:07,859 --> 00:37:10,362 I thought I had a subject who was innocent. 820 00:37:10,396 --> 00:37:11,663 Is it safe to say 821 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:13,599 that you could've handled things differently? 822 00:37:16,635 --> 00:37:19,571 I'll give you what I have on Jeffrey from my files. 823 00:37:27,813 --> 00:37:29,881 Bless us, oh Lord, in these thy gifts, 824 00:37:29,915 --> 00:37:31,983 which we are about to receive from thy bounty 825 00:37:32,017 --> 00:37:33,852 through Christ our Lord. Amen. 826 00:37:33,885 --> 00:37:35,387 ALL: Amen. 827 00:37:35,421 --> 00:37:36,855 Ah, the prodigal son. 828 00:37:36,888 --> 00:37:38,724 Better late than never. 829 00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:39,691 What took you? 830 00:37:39,725 --> 00:37:41,527 I texted Erin I was running a little behind. 831 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:42,528 He did. 832 00:37:42,561 --> 00:37:44,463 Where were you? 833 00:37:44,496 --> 00:37:45,631 Uh, funeral. 834 00:37:45,664 --> 00:37:46,932 Whose? 835 00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:48,300 Just a guy. 836 00:37:48,334 --> 00:37:49,901 You know him well? 837 00:37:49,935 --> 00:37:51,002 Uh, no. 838 00:37:51,036 --> 00:37:52,771 Actually didn't know him at all. 839 00:37:52,804 --> 00:37:54,039 Turns out, nobody really did. 840 00:37:54,072 --> 00:37:55,774 What's that mean? 841 00:37:55,807 --> 00:37:57,443 Means he barely came out of his house 842 00:37:57,476 --> 00:37:59,778 or spoke to anyone for 25 years, and passed away 843 00:37:59,811 --> 00:38:01,480 without anyone really wondering where he went. 844 00:38:01,513 --> 00:38:03,081 That may be one of the saddest things I've ever heard. 845 00:38:03,114 --> 00:38:04,616 How deep did you dig? 846 00:38:04,650 --> 00:38:05,784 Didn't really dig, actually. 847 00:38:05,817 --> 00:38:08,754 Just a few days sitting with his stuff and waiting for 848 00:38:08,787 --> 00:38:10,622 the public administrators to show. 849 00:38:10,656 --> 00:38:12,924 Did he have something to hide, something he was hiding from? 850 00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:13,992 No record. 851 00:38:14,025 --> 00:38:16,695 At least not under any of the names that we had. 852 00:38:16,728 --> 00:38:18,697 Well, maybe he never got caught; couldn't forgive himself. 853 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:20,399 LINDA: Any more of this, 854 00:38:20,432 --> 00:38:22,668 and I'm gonna have to go back to church 855 00:38:22,701 --> 00:38:24,503 and pray for his poor soul. Right? 856 00:38:24,536 --> 00:38:25,837 So you actually went to the funeral 857 00:38:25,871 --> 00:38:27,072 for someone you never met? 858 00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:29,641 Yeah. 859 00:38:29,675 --> 00:38:31,810 Ever done that before? 860 00:38:31,843 --> 00:38:33,712 Nope. Just felt like I should. 861 00:38:33,745 --> 00:38:34,746 That's it? 862 00:38:38,450 --> 00:38:40,852 Yeah, kind of hard to explain. 863 00:38:40,886 --> 00:38:42,854 At least for me it is. 864 00:38:44,956 --> 00:38:47,393 Wow, you give this family half an opportunity, 865 00:38:47,426 --> 00:38:49,828 and the questions just don't stop. 866 00:38:49,861 --> 00:38:51,497 Sorry I brought it up. 867 00:38:52,531 --> 00:38:55,667 Nicky, boys, 868 00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:58,470 you hear a lot of harsh stories at this table. 869 00:38:58,504 --> 00:38:59,805 I don't think they're harsh. 870 00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:01,106 Cool, maybe. 871 00:39:01,139 --> 00:39:02,641 Okay, ear of the beholder. 872 00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:05,544 But if there's one thing you need to take away 873 00:39:05,577 --> 00:39:08,013 from this table, I hope it's that you don't have to be 874 00:39:08,046 --> 00:39:10,749 Jamie's age, or Danny's or Erin's 875 00:39:10,782 --> 00:39:12,784 or mine or Pop's for that matter, 876 00:39:12,818 --> 00:39:16,121 to learn to show some grace where it's needed. 877 00:39:16,154 --> 00:39:19,391 To save some grace for strangers even, 878 00:39:19,425 --> 00:39:22,728 who find themselves without family or friends. 879 00:39:22,761 --> 00:39:26,364 Or whatever reason got them there. 880 00:39:27,198 --> 00:39:29,067 Will do. Me, too. 881 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:30,736 I'll try. 882 00:39:31,870 --> 00:39:35,707 I'd like to think the reward is in the attempt. 883 00:39:35,741 --> 00:39:37,443 Well, the good news is, 884 00:39:37,476 --> 00:39:39,811 none of us is ever gonna end up alone. 885 00:39:41,146 --> 00:39:44,750 Not while another one of us is still standing. 886 00:39:46,485 --> 00:39:47,919 And again, amen. 887 00:39:54,926 --> 00:39:56,161 Captioning sponsored by CBS 888 00:39:56,194 --> 00:39:57,696 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org