1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,107 You need to tell me something. There's a woman. 2 00:00:02,150 --> 00:00:03,456 She's the leader. 3 00:00:03,499 --> 00:00:06,111 Previously on "The Walking Dead"... 4 00:00:06,154 --> 00:00:07,329 Oh, my God. You made it. 5 00:00:07,373 --> 00:00:09,157 We found each other in the woods. 6 00:00:09,201 --> 00:00:11,768 We didn't know if you'd survived. 7 00:00:11,812 --> 00:00:14,138 He told me there were a lot more out there than we thought... 8 00:00:14,162 --> 00:00:15,748 More than twice the force we have in here. 9 00:00:15,772 --> 00:00:17,383 You were right about this one. 10 00:00:17,426 --> 00:00:19,994 He is family now. 11 00:00:20,038 --> 00:00:23,302 We got to go. Connie's out there, alive. 12 00:00:41,407 --> 00:00:42,973 No! 13 00:00:54,159 --> 00:00:56,117 Look! Look! 14 00:00:56,161 --> 00:00:58,815 Sorry. Sorry. I'm just... No. 15 00:00:58,859 --> 00:01:01,383 No. It might be a house. 16 00:01:01,427 --> 00:01:03,081 We could hide. 17 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,228 Go. 18 00:03:26,963 --> 00:03:29,575 We'll make better time if I ride out on my own. 19 00:03:29,618 --> 00:03:31,335 It's less risky, and we're gonna cover more ground 20 00:03:31,359 --> 00:03:33,381 with a larger group. The Council's working on a plan right now. 21 00:03:33,405 --> 00:03:35,581 Connie doesn't have time to wait on a committee. 22 00:03:35,624 --> 00:03:38,192 Well, why don't we split the difference between fast and safe? 23 00:03:38,236 --> 00:03:40,673 Teams of two. We could divide the map up into smaller grids. 24 00:03:40,716 --> 00:03:42,544 It could reduce the risk. 25 00:03:42,588 --> 00:03:46,156 Hey. Any of you seen Kelly? 26 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,598 Unh! 27 00:05:46,929 --> 00:05:49,236 Okay. 28 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,370 Uh... 29 00:05:52,413 --> 00:05:55,460 I checked the whole house. 30 00:05:55,503 --> 00:05:58,854 We're okay. Nobody's here. 31 00:06:02,118 --> 00:06:03,685 You need... 32 00:06:14,392 --> 00:06:17,046 "You need... 33 00:06:17,090 --> 00:06:18,874 some rest." 34 00:06:20,746 --> 00:06:23,662 You haven't slept in days. 35 00:06:26,665 --> 00:06:30,799 "I can keep watch." 36 00:06:38,154 --> 00:06:41,462 "We will find... 37 00:06:41,506 --> 00:06:44,117 your home." 38 00:06:46,554 --> 00:06:49,644 You... sleep. 39 00:06:59,959 --> 00:07:02,657 Listen. 40 00:07:04,180 --> 00:07:05,834 Rest. 41 00:07:05,878 --> 00:07:07,749 Huh? 42 00:07:15,931 --> 00:07:17,367 Okay. 43 00:08:08,070 --> 00:08:10,072 Tell us where they are! 44 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:24,826 My dance card's wide open, man. 45 00:08:24,870 --> 00:08:27,002 We got all day. 46 00:08:32,094 --> 00:08:33,226 This bother you? 47 00:08:33,269 --> 00:08:34,836 I've done worse. 48 00:08:36,621 --> 00:08:38,448 Hm. 49 00:08:40,538 --> 00:08:42,627 Why don't you take a turn, then? 50 00:08:47,109 --> 00:08:48,850 Speed things up for me. 51 00:08:48,894 --> 00:08:51,331 All right. I'm up. 52 00:08:51,374 --> 00:08:53,812 Like hell you are! 53 00:09:19,707 --> 00:09:21,840 Well, are we just gonna stand here 54 00:09:21,883 --> 00:09:25,887 staring at each other dreamily or are we gonna get to it? 55 00:09:36,202 --> 00:09:39,640 Hey, you kill him, the two of us are gonna have a problem! 56 00:09:42,687 --> 00:09:45,037 Don't need a babysitter. 57 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,865 I know what I'm doing. 58 00:09:53,219 --> 00:09:56,657 Just give 'em a location, where your friends are hiding. 59 00:09:56,701 --> 00:10:00,661 You do that, this all goes away. 60 00:10:00,705 --> 00:10:02,968 That's, uh... 61 00:10:03,011 --> 00:10:05,274 That's a good offer. 62 00:10:05,318 --> 00:10:08,974 Or... and hear me out... 63 00:10:09,017 --> 00:10:11,977 you all could go eat shit instead. 64 00:10:15,415 --> 00:10:16,895 Just a thought. 65 00:10:19,245 --> 00:10:21,116 Already gone through these steps. 66 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,685 Maybe we start taking pieces. 67 00:10:27,557 --> 00:10:31,518 You do what you gotta do. 68 00:10:31,561 --> 00:10:33,738 Give him a knife. 69 00:10:46,402 --> 00:10:49,014 I don't think you understand. 70 00:10:49,057 --> 00:10:50,711 I'm the best shot you got. 71 00:10:50,755 --> 00:10:53,801 Why? We "friends" now? 72 00:10:53,845 --> 00:10:56,630 No. Not 'cause we're friends. 73 00:10:56,674 --> 00:10:58,458 'Cause I'm the one holding the knife. 74 00:10:59,589 --> 00:11:01,722 Yeah. 75 00:11:01,766 --> 00:11:04,159 And your buddy's the one holding the gun. 76 00:11:09,208 --> 00:11:11,427 Shut up! 77 00:11:11,471 --> 00:11:13,342 Shut up and listen to me. 78 00:11:16,041 --> 00:11:18,739 I know you're close to her. 79 00:11:18,783 --> 00:11:21,046 The leader. 80 00:11:21,089 --> 00:11:25,615 Close enough to know where they're hidin'. 81 00:11:45,897 --> 00:11:49,378 No one needs to die in here. 82 00:11:51,685 --> 00:11:56,255 So just say a location so we can all walk away happy. 83 00:12:01,129 --> 00:12:02,870 Go to hell, assho... 84 00:12:05,655 --> 00:12:07,701 Location! 85 00:12:07,745 --> 00:12:09,268 Or I take another! 86 00:12:09,311 --> 00:12:10,486 I can't! 87 00:12:10,530 --> 00:12:12,401 Location! 88 00:12:12,445 --> 00:12:14,664 No! No! Please stop! Location! 89 00:12:18,277 --> 00:12:21,062 Yellow house. 90 00:12:21,106 --> 00:12:23,195 Town off the 283. 91 00:12:23,238 --> 00:12:26,807 Antenna. Antenna. Antenna. Antenna. 92 00:12:34,902 --> 00:12:37,818 Is that good enough? 93 00:12:37,862 --> 00:12:40,778 I can scout it out. 94 00:12:40,821 --> 00:12:44,042 Take a squad. Three of you. 95 00:12:44,085 --> 00:12:46,218 See if our friend speaks truth. 96 00:12:46,261 --> 00:12:48,046 You want us to take him? 97 00:15:15,671 --> 00:15:17,935 Wait. What happened? 98 00:15:20,241 --> 00:15:23,723 S-Slow down. I don't understand. 99 00:15:42,133 --> 00:15:44,222 What... 100 00:16:44,717 --> 00:16:46,762 Looks quiet. No movement. 101 00:16:46,806 --> 00:16:48,808 Two entrances. Breach both? 102 00:16:48,851 --> 00:16:51,811 By twos. You take Powell. 103 00:16:51,854 --> 00:16:56,163 Washington, Fish, go around the back of the yellow house. 104 00:16:58,818 --> 00:17:00,559 What about dickhead? 105 00:17:00,602 --> 00:17:02,561 Am I supposed to believe he's got my back? 106 00:17:02,604 --> 00:17:04,345 No, that's myjob. 107 00:17:04,389 --> 00:17:07,087 Always. 108 00:18:01,837 --> 00:18:03,970 Clear! 109 00:18:06,581 --> 00:18:08,366 Clear! 110 00:18:13,197 --> 00:18:14,937 Clear! 111 00:18:19,855 --> 00:18:21,770 Clear! 112 00:18:24,077 --> 00:18:25,687 It's all clear, Carve. 113 00:18:25,731 --> 00:18:28,255 That son of a bitch jerked us around. 114 00:18:28,299 --> 00:18:31,476 We should stay, look around for a bit, so we don't miss nothing. 115 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:33,652 No, we'll search the rest of the town first. 116 00:18:33,695 --> 00:18:35,871 Quick and quiet, in case they're still nearby. 117 00:18:35,915 --> 00:18:37,371 You three, take the north end and work back. 118 00:18:37,395 --> 00:18:40,615 We'll meet you in the middle. Copy. 119 00:18:52,236 --> 00:18:54,063 Whoa. 120 00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:09,835 Where are you? 121 00:20:18,670 --> 00:20:21,325 My grandfather's house used to have one of these. 122 00:20:21,368 --> 00:20:24,284 I'd secretly shove stuff in there. 123 00:20:25,894 --> 00:20:27,548 Uh... 124 00:20:27,592 --> 00:20:30,377 I-I'm sorry. I don't see anything. 125 00:20:35,077 --> 00:20:37,166 I'm sure you saw something... 126 00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:40,039 but... 127 00:20:40,082 --> 00:20:42,171 But you haven't slept. 128 00:20:42,215 --> 00:20:45,740 So maybe it's... 129 00:20:47,264 --> 00:20:49,048 Y-Yeah. 'Cause... 130 00:20:53,357 --> 00:20:56,838 Okay, okay. Okay. I'm sorry. 131 00:20:56,882 --> 00:21:01,365 You and me, let's give the house another sweep, okay? 132 00:21:13,464 --> 00:21:14,856 Connie! 133 00:22:30,018 --> 00:22:33,021 Hungry! 134 00:22:47,296 --> 00:22:49,168 Clear! 135 00:22:50,952 --> 00:22:52,519 Over here! 136 00:22:55,957 --> 00:22:57,524 They're still wet. 137 00:22:57,568 --> 00:22:59,657 Guess he was telling the truth, then. 138 00:22:59,700 --> 00:23:03,704 We should clear the other rooms. 139 00:23:06,098 --> 00:23:08,187 - Clear! - Clear! 140 00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:11,277 Clear! 141 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,105 Clear! 142 00:23:27,946 --> 00:23:29,556 Nothing. 143 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,081 Maybe they went out the back. I can track them. 144 00:23:33,125 --> 00:23:34,909 Are you in a hurry to leave? 145 00:23:34,953 --> 00:23:37,172 What? 146 00:23:37,216 --> 00:23:39,218 Other building, you wanted to stick around 147 00:23:39,261 --> 00:23:41,307 and make sure we didn't miss anything. 148 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:43,875 Now you wanna run right off. Which is it? 149 00:23:43,918 --> 00:23:46,486 Look, man, I'm just trying to help. 150 00:23:46,530 --> 00:23:48,706 Yet you keep chirpin'. 151 00:23:48,749 --> 00:23:50,751 Fine. You lose 'em, it's on you. It ain't on me. 152 00:23:50,795 --> 00:23:52,579 Stop. 153 00:23:52,623 --> 00:23:55,539 Wash, we need a perimeter check. Possible runners. Half a klick. 154 00:23:55,582 --> 00:23:57,192 Copy that, Shaw. 155 00:23:57,236 --> 00:24:01,283 Look. I don't have time for this toddler bullshit. 156 00:24:01,327 --> 00:24:02,981 Listen... I know. 157 00:24:03,024 --> 00:24:06,201 I understand, but I don't need it. 158 00:24:06,245 --> 00:24:08,943 Go sift upstairs, make sure we didn't miss anything. 159 00:24:18,823 --> 00:24:20,912 Don't. 160 00:24:20,955 --> 00:24:22,914 Don't what? 161 00:24:26,831 --> 00:24:29,747 You're either with us or you're not. 162 00:24:31,618 --> 00:24:33,577 What do you want me to do? 163 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:43,325 For one thing... stop pissing off Carver. 164 00:24:43,369 --> 00:24:44,936 Usually don't end well. 165 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,995 Come on. 166 00:25:03,084 --> 00:25:04,825 Please. 167 00:25:04,869 --> 00:25:06,827 Please. Just a... 168 00:25:06,871 --> 00:25:08,829 Just a little bit... 169 00:25:08,873 --> 00:25:10,048 more! 170 00:25:10,091 --> 00:25:12,267 Whoa! Kelly? 171 00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:13,834 Awesome. 172 00:25:13,878 --> 00:25:16,750 You need help? 173 00:25:22,321 --> 00:25:25,280 What the hell were you thinking? 174 00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:28,066 You should have told us that you were heading out. 175 00:25:28,109 --> 00:25:29,241 Come here. 176 00:25:30,329 --> 00:25:33,593 I'm fine. 177 00:25:36,727 --> 00:25:38,642 But Connie's not. 178 00:25:41,122 --> 00:25:42,602 I found her camp. 179 00:25:42,646 --> 00:25:45,213 She's with some guy who knew Michonne. 180 00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:49,783 They left in a hurry. Something's not right. 181 00:25:52,917 --> 00:25:55,659 She thought they were being followed. 182 00:25:55,702 --> 00:25:58,009 She's out there. 183 00:25:58,052 --> 00:26:01,012 She's scared. 184 00:26:01,055 --> 00:26:02,187 She needs me. 185 00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:04,711 And if... 186 00:26:04,755 --> 00:26:06,887 if something happened to her... 187 00:26:06,931 --> 00:26:09,063 No. We're gonna find her first. 188 00:26:09,107 --> 00:26:11,152 Yeah. 189 00:26:11,196 --> 00:26:13,198 Come on. Let's get movin'. 190 00:30:25,232 --> 00:30:27,582 Hungry! 191 00:31:43,006 --> 00:31:46,270 Oh! Oh, God. Connie. 192 00:31:49,882 --> 00:31:53,451 Come on. I got you. Come on. 193 00:31:53,494 --> 00:31:55,409 Oh, God. 194 00:32:02,242 --> 00:32:05,245 They ran. They ain't comin' back here. 195 00:32:05,289 --> 00:32:06,638 What? 196 00:32:06,681 --> 00:32:08,422 I mean, think about it. You hit 'em hard. 197 00:32:08,466 --> 00:32:10,052 Even if they get more people, they won't come back here. 198 00:32:10,076 --> 00:32:11,904 It's a bad move. 199 00:32:11,948 --> 00:32:14,037 You got what? 20 people in your town. 200 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,995 You got weapons. You got walls. 201 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:17,866 You'd see them coming from a mile away. 202 00:32:17,910 --> 00:32:19,651 Trust me. They ran. 203 00:32:19,694 --> 00:32:21,696 Is there a point to any of this? 204 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:26,049 Let's go. There's nothing here. It's time we move on. 205 00:32:26,092 --> 00:32:28,747 No. We're missing something. 206 00:32:28,790 --> 00:32:31,010 Fine. Let's waste another hour. That's smart. Daryl... 207 00:32:31,054 --> 00:32:33,708 It's not my fault he's too stupid to pay attention! 208 00:32:33,752 --> 00:32:34,971 Yeah. Chirp, chirp, chirp. 209 00:32:35,014 --> 00:32:36,407 Enough. Ah, screw that. 210 00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:39,888 This dirtbag wants to play, I'll teach him the rules. 211 00:32:39,932 --> 00:32:41,586 I'm right here, man. Make a move. 212 00:32:41,629 --> 00:32:44,067 This is not the time, and it's not your call to make. 213 00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:45,894 Jesus, Shaw. 214 00:32:45,938 --> 00:32:49,072 We both know who he really is deep down. 215 00:32:49,115 --> 00:32:50,899 What? 216 00:32:50,943 --> 00:32:53,467 I was there. Remember? 217 00:32:53,511 --> 00:32:55,339 After. 218 00:32:55,382 --> 00:32:58,342 What, you think this is gonna end any different? 219 00:32:58,385 --> 00:33:01,954 So this is what? You looking out for me? 220 00:33:01,998 --> 00:33:03,347 Always. 221 00:33:03,390 --> 00:33:04,348 Uh-huh. 222 00:33:04,391 --> 00:33:07,829 Gotcha. 223 00:33:07,873 --> 00:33:10,745 And what about the fire? 224 00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:13,705 When Pope locked me in the cabin and lit it up. 225 00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:18,275 You must have known. 226 00:33:18,318 --> 00:33:20,712 Was that you looking out for me, too? 227 00:33:20,755 --> 00:33:23,715 Shaw. Wake up. 228 00:33:23,758 --> 00:33:25,499 Everything's a test now. 229 00:33:25,543 --> 00:33:28,763 If you think this guy is ever gonna give a shit 230 00:33:28,807 --> 00:33:31,723 about any of us, you're gonna fail. 231 00:33:31,766 --> 00:33:34,160 No, he's right. 232 00:33:34,204 --> 00:33:36,293 I don't give a shit about any of you. 233 00:33:36,336 --> 00:33:38,121 Except you. 234 00:33:38,164 --> 00:33:40,775 I'm here for you. 235 00:33:40,819 --> 00:33:43,300 It's no secret. I made mistakes. 236 00:33:43,343 --> 00:33:44,953 But I'm here right now. 237 00:33:44,997 --> 00:33:49,088 Maybe I'd be better at it this time, if you'd let me. 238 00:33:51,221 --> 00:33:54,180 And Pope scares the shit outta me. 239 00:33:54,224 --> 00:33:57,792 I don't wanna be face-first in the fire under his boot. 240 00:33:57,836 --> 00:34:01,100 But if you say trust 'em, I'll trust 'em. 241 00:34:05,061 --> 00:34:06,541 We've wasted enough time here already. 242 00:34:06,584 --> 00:34:08,368 Oh, you're not seriously gonna... 243 00:34:08,412 --> 00:34:11,284 It's time to move on. 244 00:34:12,807 --> 00:34:15,419 Sure. Your call. 245 00:34:18,596 --> 00:34:20,511 Hold on. 246 00:34:34,481 --> 00:34:37,789 Told ya. 247 00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:05,033 Which way? 248 00:35:07,558 --> 00:35:10,430 We could split up, check both trails, double back. 249 00:35:10,474 --> 00:35:14,173 Storm's coming. We should stick together. 250 00:35:14,217 --> 00:35:16,828 It's up to you. Which way do you think she went? 251 00:35:26,142 --> 00:35:27,926 That way. 252 00:35:35,412 --> 00:35:37,805 They led us here. 253 00:35:38,893 --> 00:35:41,853 I've never seen people this far gone. 254 00:35:44,682 --> 00:35:47,206 To herd us, like prey. 255 00:35:51,863 --> 00:35:54,126 But we're not. 256 00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:56,563 I'm getting you out. 257 00:35:56,607 --> 00:35:59,175 We'll make a run for it. 258 00:36:05,442 --> 00:36:07,226 Take this. 259 00:36:11,883 --> 00:36:14,712 No matter what happens... 260 00:36:14,755 --> 00:36:18,716 you have to keep going. 261 00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:21,719 With or without me. Don't stop. 262 00:36:21,762 --> 00:36:23,416 Just... 263 00:36:25,766 --> 00:36:29,901 No. No, no, no, no, no. Please. 264 00:36:29,944 --> 00:36:31,772 Just take it. 265 00:36:51,009 --> 00:36:55,318 I don't know how to explain. Um... 266 00:36:56,319 --> 00:36:58,799 But I don't have a choice. 267 00:37:03,804 --> 00:37:08,548 I lost myself... for a long time. 268 00:37:08,592 --> 00:37:10,376 Off the map. 269 00:37:13,031 --> 00:37:15,338 And I, um... 270 00:37:16,556 --> 00:37:19,167 I made choices 271 00:37:19,211 --> 00:37:22,170 that I can't un-choose. 272 00:37:22,214 --> 00:37:24,608 But she gave me another chance. 273 00:37:24,651 --> 00:37:26,392 Michonne. 274 00:37:26,436 --> 00:37:28,568 She pointed me back to the road, 275 00:37:28,612 --> 00:37:33,269 and somehow that road led right to you. 276 00:37:35,314 --> 00:37:37,534 So I have to pass on that chance, 277 00:37:37,577 --> 00:37:40,014 or it all means nothing. 278 00:37:40,058 --> 00:37:41,538 And if you can... 279 00:37:45,672 --> 00:37:49,154 If you... 280 00:37:49,197 --> 00:37:51,722 can find your family... 281 00:37:53,593 --> 00:37:55,987 No, no. No. 282 00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:58,206 Listen, listen, listen. 283 00:37:58,250 --> 00:38:01,645 I need you to promise me 284 00:38:01,688 --> 00:38:05,213 that you will keep going, no matter what happens. 285 00:38:16,486 --> 00:38:18,575 Together? 286 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,280 Together. 287 00:38:33,024 --> 00:38:34,591 Time's up. 288 00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:09,930 Go. Go. Go, go. Go, go! 289 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,592 Go! 290 00:39:30,995 --> 00:39:33,258 Go. Get out. 291 00:41:28,634 --> 00:41:30,593 Go. 292 00:42:35,658 --> 00:42:39,009 They were there. 293 00:42:39,052 --> 00:42:41,881 Caught signs, but they slipped away. 294 00:42:41,925 --> 00:42:45,015 Sorry. 295 00:42:45,058 --> 00:42:47,234 Ooh. 296 00:42:49,933 --> 00:42:52,718 I thought you'd be disappointed. 297 00:42:52,762 --> 00:42:55,155 Well, this day was a success. 298 00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:56,287 How so? 299 00:42:56,330 --> 00:42:57,941 After you left, 300 00:42:57,984 --> 00:43:01,031 I continued the "discussion" with our guest. 301 00:43:01,074 --> 00:43:03,599 He wasn't too talkative. 302 00:43:05,078 --> 00:43:09,082 But I got everything I needed out of him. 303 00:43:58,262 --> 00:43:59,587 The world is different now... 304 00:43:59,611 --> 00:44:02,179 Fewer people to fight for, 305 00:44:02,222 --> 00:44:04,398 there's fewer things to fight over. 306 00:44:04,442 --> 00:44:07,445 You're saying you'd do things differently? 307 00:44:07,488 --> 00:44:10,753 If I could do it all over again? 308 00:44:10,796 --> 00:44:12,189 Yeah. 309 00:44:12,232 --> 00:44:16,106 Your people need help. I can deliver for you. 310 00:44:16,149 --> 00:44:19,500 Your brothers are dead, are you not ashamed?! 311 00:44:31,817 --> 00:44:35,560 It was so great to have Lauren Ridloff back finally. 312 00:44:35,603 --> 00:44:37,388 We had been planning for a long time 313 00:44:37,431 --> 00:44:39,042 to bring her back in this episode, 314 00:44:39,085 --> 00:44:40,739 and we'd sort of, like, shaped the story, 315 00:44:40,783 --> 00:44:43,307 and we wanted to give her, like, a big reentry 316 00:44:43,350 --> 00:44:45,309 into the show. 317 00:44:47,615 --> 00:44:50,357 We loved having Kevin Carroll back as Virgil, 318 00:44:50,401 --> 00:44:52,403 and I think what was important for us 319 00:44:52,446 --> 00:44:56,363 is to show that Virgil was affected 320 00:44:56,407 --> 00:44:57,974 by meeting Michonne, 321 00:44:58,017 --> 00:45:01,281 and I think he had to suppress some of his heart 322 00:45:01,325 --> 00:45:04,850 to kind of, like, get through the death of his family, 323 00:45:04,894 --> 00:45:07,592 and he sort of made that decision 324 00:45:07,635 --> 00:45:11,248 to try stepping out and finding society again. 325 00:45:11,291 --> 00:45:14,599 Of course, he found everything was just abandoned 326 00:45:14,642 --> 00:45:17,167 because our people were fleeing the Whisperers, 327 00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:19,604 but, fortunately, he comes across Connie, 328 00:45:19,647 --> 00:45:23,521 and I think he feels like he wants to do better in the world. 329 00:45:23,564 --> 00:45:25,262 And so there's a real selflessness 330 00:45:25,305 --> 00:45:27,220 that you see in Virgil here. 331 00:45:27,264 --> 00:45:28,831 He has some skills, you know, 332 00:45:28,874 --> 00:45:30,441 and when Connie's about to be attacked, 333 00:45:30,484 --> 00:45:32,878 like, he gets her out of the way and takes the brunt of that 334 00:45:32,922 --> 00:45:35,315 even though it means he gets injured pretty badly, 335 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:36,882 and I think we're starting to see 336 00:45:36,926 --> 00:45:39,885 probably who he truly is at the core. 337 00:45:46,805 --> 00:45:51,723 So, this episode, we were talking very, very, early on, 338 00:45:51,767 --> 00:45:53,420 and one of the things that we talked about 339 00:45:53,464 --> 00:45:55,118 was, like, we would love to do 340 00:45:55,161 --> 00:45:58,556 just a good, old fashioned haunted-house horror story 341 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,254 because that just seemed really fun, 342 00:46:01,298 --> 00:46:03,822 and we just were talking about how people become 343 00:46:03,866 --> 00:46:05,519 too far gone in this world, 344 00:46:05,563 --> 00:46:07,304 and we've seen people who are cannibals, 345 00:46:07,347 --> 00:46:10,046 we've talked about people that Maggie had run across, 346 00:46:10,089 --> 00:46:13,049 we've seen the Whisperers, and we were just talking about 347 00:46:13,092 --> 00:46:14,920 people that have gone completely feral, 348 00:46:14,964 --> 00:46:16,443 and what kind of desperation 349 00:46:16,487 --> 00:46:18,315 would it take to get to that point? 350 00:46:21,100 --> 00:46:23,842 Greg Nicotero and his KNB Group, 351 00:46:23,886 --> 00:46:26,062 they did all the creature design 352 00:46:26,105 --> 00:46:29,456 and made these people unique from zombies 353 00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:32,416 and have their own sort of terrifying look. 354 00:46:38,509 --> 00:46:40,598 There's that set deck where you see 355 00:46:40,641 --> 00:46:44,341 the pictures on the wall and the eyes are scratched out. 356 00:46:44,384 --> 00:46:47,344 "A," we thought that's creepy, so that's really fun, 357 00:46:47,387 --> 00:46:50,129 but in the backstory of it, we actually do think 358 00:46:50,173 --> 00:46:53,567 that those are pictures of relatives 359 00:46:53,611 --> 00:46:56,744 or even some of the people who became ferals 360 00:46:56,788 --> 00:46:58,703 and are living in that house. 361 00:46:58,746 --> 00:47:02,707 And as they sort of descended into a much more feral state, 362 00:47:02,750 --> 00:47:06,754 they just started destroying the vestiges of their humanity. 363 00:47:06,798 --> 00:47:10,758 So we totally had a story reason why we did that, 364 00:47:10,802 --> 00:47:12,325 but at the same time, we also thought 365 00:47:12,369 --> 00:47:15,241 it just looked, like, super weird and creepy. 366 00:47:15,285 --> 00:47:17,896 One of the things that was interesting for us 367 00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:21,117 in doing this episode was just picking 368 00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,336 which point of view that you're in. 369 00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:26,165 For the average viewer, you're just gonna assume 370 00:47:26,209 --> 00:47:29,386 that the default is being, like, a hearing viewer, 371 00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:32,171 and I think it's interesting to sometimes kind of flip that 372 00:47:32,215 --> 00:47:35,174 because they are experiencing the same events 373 00:47:35,218 --> 00:47:36,741 in slightly different ways. 374 00:47:36,784 --> 00:47:38,786 It became really interesting to go, like, 375 00:47:38,830 --> 00:47:41,833 "Maybe we play the sound to him in his point of view 376 00:47:41,877 --> 00:47:44,880 but you don't play it when we're in her point of view." 377 00:47:47,404 --> 00:47:50,015 To me, the best horror, it really is like 378 00:47:50,059 --> 00:47:53,410 you're touching on the entire range of human emotion 379 00:47:53,453 --> 00:47:55,760 and the human experience, and I think that, like, 380 00:47:55,803 --> 00:47:59,329 she just captured all of that so seemingly effortlessly. 381 00:47:59,372 --> 00:48:01,418 I know she puts in a lot of work into her craft 382 00:48:01,461 --> 00:48:03,072 and what she does, 383 00:48:03,115 --> 00:48:05,770 but she brings so much nuance to these little moments 384 00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:07,946 and, just, she's so expressive. 385 00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:09,208 I think she's kind of 386 00:48:09,252 --> 00:48:12,124 the perfect horror-movie star in this. 387 00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:26,050 I'm up. 388 00:48:27,835 --> 00:48:30,708 The torture scene is just very specific 389 00:48:30,751 --> 00:48:33,885 to this group and their philosophy 390 00:48:33,929 --> 00:48:36,844 and the particular time in history 391 00:48:36,888 --> 00:48:38,672 when they were soldiers 392 00:48:38,716 --> 00:48:42,372 as well as, more importantly, mercenaries, 393 00:48:42,415 --> 00:48:45,897 and the darkness that continued to evolve 394 00:48:45,941 --> 00:48:47,029 throughout the apocalypse. 395 00:48:47,072 --> 00:48:49,640 We've seen Daryl in scenes 396 00:48:49,683 --> 00:48:51,009 where he's had to torture people before, 397 00:48:51,033 --> 00:48:53,731 but certainly not to this extent 398 00:48:53,774 --> 00:48:55,907 and certainly not against somebody 399 00:48:55,951 --> 00:48:58,997 that he considers an ally and that he likes. 400 00:48:59,041 --> 00:49:02,435 And I think that what the show does 401 00:49:02,479 --> 00:49:04,872 is put our characters into situations 402 00:49:04,916 --> 00:49:08,006 where they are just in the worst possible things 403 00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:09,268 that they could imagine. 404 00:49:09,312 --> 00:49:11,401 Like, they're living nightmares. 405 00:49:11,444 --> 00:49:13,403 This is not something he wants to do, 406 00:49:13,446 --> 00:49:15,448 but they are most likely both gonna die 407 00:49:15,492 --> 00:49:16,928 if he doesn't do this. 408 00:49:16,972 --> 00:49:19,322 He certainly I don't think blinks at the idea 409 00:49:19,365 --> 00:49:21,300 of having to lay down his own life for his friends, 410 00:49:21,324 --> 00:49:22,890 but in this case, like, 411 00:49:22,934 --> 00:49:26,329 he knows he might be a key to getting this done. 412 00:49:26,372 --> 00:49:30,246 But I think it's also about Frost's bravery, 413 00:49:30,289 --> 00:49:33,031 knowing that he's going to be tortured 414 00:49:33,075 --> 00:49:35,033 and basically going along with it. 415 00:49:35,077 --> 00:49:36,600 Go to hell, assho... 416 00:49:38,689 --> 00:49:41,431 Ever since Daryl signaled to him when they were behind bars 417 00:49:41,474 --> 00:49:43,911 in Episode 4, like, "These guys are listening. 418 00:49:43,955 --> 00:49:46,044 We got to pretend like we're not friends," 419 00:49:46,088 --> 00:49:48,568 Frost has really, really gotten 420 00:49:48,612 --> 00:49:52,529 that he did exactly what Daryl was hoping he would do, 421 00:49:52,572 --> 00:49:54,748 which is he kind of gave him the right neighborhood, 422 00:49:54,792 --> 00:49:56,141 so there's some credibility, 423 00:49:56,185 --> 00:50:00,058 and Daryl's hoping that saves Frost. 424 00:50:00,102 --> 00:50:02,147 He thinks, like, "If you just say the neighborhood 425 00:50:02,191 --> 00:50:06,891 but not exactly the house, then I can buy some time," 426 00:50:06,934 --> 00:50:09,154 which is basically what he does, and so, you know, 427 00:50:09,198 --> 00:50:12,288 he's trying to, like, create little signals 428 00:50:12,331 --> 00:50:15,508 which allowed Maggie and company to hide, 429 00:50:15,552 --> 00:50:17,684 and Daryl's just trying to feed them information 430 00:50:17,728 --> 00:50:19,556 about, like, how many people they are. 431 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:22,080 You got what? 20 people in your town. 432 00:50:22,124 --> 00:50:23,908 You got weapons. You got walls. 433 00:50:23,951 --> 00:50:25,866 You'd see them coming from a mile away. 434 00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:27,346 Trust me. They ran. 435 00:50:27,390 --> 00:50:29,914 I think, when Carver goes for that trapdoor, 436 00:50:29,957 --> 00:50:33,004 if you watch Norman, the way he plays it is really great. 437 00:50:33,048 --> 00:50:35,311 He's ready to, like, go down fighting 438 00:50:35,354 --> 00:50:38,401 if that trapdoor opens and the people are there, 439 00:50:38,444 --> 00:50:40,794 but, fortunately, they're not. They got away. 440 00:50:40,838 --> 00:50:43,754 So Daryl knows, like, now he's in with these people 441 00:50:43,797 --> 00:50:45,582 and his people are safe, 442 00:50:45,625 --> 00:50:47,366 so that's as good of an outcome 443 00:50:47,410 --> 00:50:49,412 as he can hope for in the moment, 444 00:50:49,455 --> 00:50:52,502 because it's like, if they can just keep that going, 445 00:50:52,545 --> 00:50:54,417 he can be that person on the inside 446 00:50:54,460 --> 00:50:58,334 that's gonna facilitate them getting inside the walls. 447 00:50:58,377 --> 00:51:01,163 What we wanted to play at the end of this episode 448 00:51:01,206 --> 00:51:04,166 is that Pope is unpredictable. 449 00:51:04,209 --> 00:51:06,168 I don't think anybody predicted 450 00:51:06,211 --> 00:51:09,780 that he was going to kill Frost anyway in the middle of that, 451 00:51:09,823 --> 00:51:12,565 but what we're learning about Pope is 452 00:51:12,609 --> 00:51:14,959 he's in a dark place. 453 00:51:15,002 --> 00:51:16,613 He's spiraling in his own way. 454 00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:20,921 He's obsessed with the idea of Maggie being out there, 455 00:51:20,965 --> 00:51:22,401 and so, in some ways, 456 00:51:22,445 --> 00:51:25,361 he's messing with Daryl's head, too, you know? 457 00:51:25,404 --> 00:51:27,972 He's kind of, like, making his own moves. 458 00:51:28,015 --> 00:51:30,975 Him going off and talking and laughing with Carver 459 00:51:31,018 --> 00:51:36,198 is completely designed to create paranoia in Leah and in Daryl. 460 00:51:36,241 --> 00:51:38,069 It doesn't even matter what he's saying. 461 00:51:38,113 --> 00:51:41,420 This is more about who Pope is as a person right now 462 00:51:41,464 --> 00:51:44,597 and the questions that's raising in Leah 463 00:51:44,641 --> 00:51:47,861 and the potential openings that Daryl is starting to see 464 00:51:47,905 --> 00:51:51,169 in how he can work the situation.