1 00:00:02,292 --> 00:00:05,042 - I've been living in the house with Bruce for 37 years 2 00:00:05,167 --> 00:00:07,167 and half of the stuff in the house is mine. 3 00:00:07,167 --> 00:00:09,333 (dramatic music) 4 00:00:09,375 --> 00:00:11,292 - [Dr. Tolin] This is a sort of unusual situation. 5 00:00:11,375 --> 00:00:14,042 They both seem to have a hoarding problem. 6 00:00:14,042 --> 00:00:15,292 - They could die in this. 7 00:00:15,375 --> 00:00:16,958 - This is really dangerous. 8 00:00:17,042 --> 00:00:18,542 - So it's keep or let go. 9 00:00:18,667 --> 00:00:20,208 This is wood, mice peed on it. 10 00:00:20,375 --> 00:00:22,042 You can't clean it up and get it out. 11 00:00:22,125 --> 00:00:23,750 - I want to keep it. Next. 12 00:00:25,208 --> 00:00:26,458 - [Dr. Tolin] I'm already really concerned. 13 00:00:26,542 --> 00:00:28,375 - If you're gonna continue to keep things, 14 00:00:28,458 --> 00:00:30,458 we're not gonna get the house cleaned out. 15 00:00:30,542 --> 00:00:32,792 - I'm not gonna tell him to stop. 16 00:00:32,875 --> 00:00:34,250 - What's the point of even doing this 17 00:00:34,333 --> 00:00:36,125 if he's not following instruction? 18 00:00:37,833 --> 00:00:39,083 - We don't care about your stuff, 19 00:00:39,167 --> 00:00:40,458 we care about you. 20 00:00:40,542 --> 00:00:42,167 (dramatic music) 21 00:00:42,208 --> 00:00:43,625 - You're not gonna live very long 22 00:00:43,708 --> 00:00:44,917 if you keep up this behavior. 23 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,458 (dramatic music) 24 00:01:01,875 --> 00:01:04,208 (tense music) 25 00:01:19,208 --> 00:01:21,542 (country guitar music) 26 00:01:49,375 --> 00:01:53,625 - I'm Bruce. I'm a retired tool and die journeyman. 27 00:01:55,208 --> 00:01:57,667 I've lived at this house for over 30 years. 28 00:02:00,542 --> 00:02:03,167 (tense music) 29 00:02:08,958 --> 00:02:11,583 Inside of the house is jam-packed. 30 00:02:14,625 --> 00:02:16,833 It's up over our head. 31 00:02:18,417 --> 00:02:22,167 We have a pathway between the kitchen and the front door. 32 00:02:22,208 --> 00:02:25,708 I have to turn sideways most of the time 33 00:02:25,833 --> 00:02:26,750 to walk through there. 34 00:02:28,167 --> 00:02:32,458 We have all sorts of stuff, from tools, 35 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:37,625 knick-knacks, a bunch of stuff. 36 00:02:39,042 --> 00:02:42,208 However, I'm not the only one responsible. 37 00:02:46,833 --> 00:02:50,625 - I'm Cathy. I'm a retired long distance operator. 38 00:02:50,708 --> 00:02:52,792 (tense music) 39 00:02:53,833 --> 00:02:57,042 I've been living in the house with Bruce for 37 years, 40 00:02:57,167 --> 00:02:59,458 so we have accumulated a lot of stuff. 41 00:03:00,625 --> 00:03:02,792 And half of the stuff in the house is mine. 42 00:03:07,708 --> 00:03:10,542 I have a bunch of clothes, jewelry, 43 00:03:12,833 --> 00:03:14,833 a lot of books. 44 00:03:14,917 --> 00:03:17,292 It's just stuff everywhere. 45 00:03:17,375 --> 00:03:20,458 It looks like we're hoarders to look at the house, 46 00:03:20,458 --> 00:03:23,292 but I say we're collectors. 47 00:03:27,292 --> 00:03:29,792 - I'm Laz and I'm Bruce and Cathy's son. 48 00:03:29,875 --> 00:03:31,583 (pensive music) 49 00:03:31,667 --> 00:03:33,583 My parents are definitely hoarders. 50 00:03:35,083 --> 00:03:39,500 Their house is a mess, it's ridiculous. 51 00:03:39,625 --> 00:03:42,250 Stuff is stacked to the ceiling. 52 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:45,250 There's a million different random items 53 00:03:45,333 --> 00:03:49,667 that you would never expect in the most random places. 54 00:03:50,750 --> 00:03:53,458 There's canned food in the bathrooms, 55 00:03:56,208 --> 00:04:00,167 tools everywhere, books all over the place. 56 00:04:00,292 --> 00:04:02,042 It's not like everything's in just one place, 57 00:04:02,125 --> 00:04:03,542 it's all scattered. 58 00:04:04,667 --> 00:04:09,500 To me the house smells, it's unhealthy, it's unsanitary. 59 00:04:10,542 --> 00:04:14,583 I know there's a lot of open and or expired food everywhere. 60 00:04:15,792 --> 00:04:18,917 There's probably rats and cockroaches 61 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,208 and rat poop everywhere. 62 00:04:23,667 --> 00:04:26,375 I don't see how they sleep comfortably anyway. 63 00:04:27,542 --> 00:04:30,000 They don't even eat at the house. 64 00:04:30,083 --> 00:04:32,625 - Hold on. - Don't get too far ahead. 65 00:04:32,708 --> 00:04:35,333 - [Laz] They go out to eat two, three times a day, 66 00:04:35,417 --> 00:04:37,000 mostly fast food. 67 00:04:37,042 --> 00:04:39,500 (tense music) 68 00:04:51,458 --> 00:04:54,292 - We're getting this stuff from thrift stores. 69 00:04:54,375 --> 00:04:55,917 We like to go there. 70 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:00,083 That's sort of like a pleasure thing to help pass the day. 71 00:05:00,208 --> 00:05:01,833 - [Bruce] Where's the Halloween houses? 72 00:05:01,917 --> 00:05:04,208 - [Cathy] Over here. 73 00:05:04,208 --> 00:05:06,208 - And that's also how we get our exercise. 74 00:05:06,292 --> 00:05:08,333 'Cause after we eat, 75 00:05:08,375 --> 00:05:11,542 we stop and look at history in the stores. 76 00:05:12,875 --> 00:05:16,792 I look for really special bargains. 77 00:05:18,083 --> 00:05:23,167 And I found a tool for $18 that was valued about $200. 78 00:05:23,208 --> 00:05:25,417 And I can use that around the house. 79 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,542 The house is probably filled with probably 80 00:05:29,625 --> 00:05:33,875 25% each of our stuff, and 50% collateral. 81 00:05:37,083 --> 00:05:39,667 Her clothes take up more volume, 82 00:05:39,708 --> 00:05:44,167 but my tools are smaller so I add as many tools 83 00:05:44,208 --> 00:05:47,125 as she has clothes. Okay? 84 00:05:47,208 --> 00:05:48,667 - But a lot of the clothes I don't wear, 85 00:05:48,792 --> 00:05:51,292 but I bought 'em because there's no place to try 'em on. 86 00:05:51,375 --> 00:05:53,792 But it may look nice. 87 00:05:53,875 --> 00:05:55,292 So I bring it home and that's the reason 88 00:05:55,417 --> 00:05:57,250 why it's accumulated so many. 89 00:05:57,333 --> 00:05:59,458 And I never just have taken them back. 90 00:06:02,125 --> 00:06:04,458 (melancholy music) 91 00:06:10,583 --> 00:06:14,000 - [Bruce] Last year, I was in the hospital twice 92 00:06:14,125 --> 00:06:16,000 for UTI infections. 93 00:06:17,292 --> 00:06:19,875 - [Cathy] I had rotatory cuff surgery. 94 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,292 - I also had pneumonia while I was in the hospital. 95 00:06:22,292 --> 00:06:26,375 - And I've had about two or three knee surgeries. 96 00:06:26,458 --> 00:06:28,958 - I had colon cancer but that was operated on. 97 00:06:29,042 --> 00:06:32,208 And I had this table half cleared off on my side. 98 00:06:32,292 --> 00:06:35,208 - I had real bad arthritis in both of 'em, 99 00:06:35,292 --> 00:06:37,000 I probably need a knee replacement. 100 00:06:37,042 --> 00:06:39,292 Oh, can't get to my pen. 101 00:06:39,375 --> 00:06:40,500 'Cause I'm probably gonna need a walker 102 00:06:40,625 --> 00:06:42,333 or something to walk. 103 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:44,792 But right now, I don't have the room to walk around 104 00:06:44,875 --> 00:06:45,833 with the walker. 105 00:06:45,917 --> 00:06:48,667 (dramatic music) 106 00:06:48,667 --> 00:06:50,917 - They're not great living conditions for anybody, 107 00:06:51,042 --> 00:06:53,833 let alone somebody who's almost 80 years old. 108 00:06:53,917 --> 00:06:56,833 It's obviously had a detrimental effect on their health. 109 00:06:58,250 --> 00:07:00,500 Worst case scenario would be 110 00:07:00,583 --> 00:07:02,542 something falling on top of them. 111 00:07:02,625 --> 00:07:04,375 There's a lot of things that are really heavy, 112 00:07:04,458 --> 00:07:06,042 higher than head level. 113 00:07:06,125 --> 00:07:08,208 If you're not very careful walking through that, 114 00:07:08,208 --> 00:07:09,917 something could fall on your head. 115 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,125 - I'm Jeff and Bruce is my younger brother. 116 00:07:17,208 --> 00:07:19,000 (somber piano music) 117 00:07:19,083 --> 00:07:23,833 I was at Bruce's house probably about 25 years ago or so. 118 00:07:23,917 --> 00:07:28,417 And we were over for a Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner 119 00:07:28,542 --> 00:07:29,875 with the whole family. 120 00:07:30,042 --> 00:07:33,625 So my wife and two or three other family members were there. 121 00:07:33,708 --> 00:07:37,167 And the house was just as any house is, 122 00:07:37,208 --> 00:07:39,625 you know, a big open space. 123 00:07:39,708 --> 00:07:44,542 It was a perfectly normal home. 124 00:07:48,875 --> 00:07:51,875 - I'm Beth and I'm Bruce and Cathy's sister-in-law. 125 00:07:51,958 --> 00:07:53,500 (somber piano music) 126 00:07:53,583 --> 00:07:56,542 When I was there at Bruce and Cathy's house in 1996, 127 00:07:56,625 --> 00:07:59,375 I saw there was some things maybe 128 00:07:59,458 --> 00:08:01,917 put to the side along one wall area, 129 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,958 but nothing that was real concerning to someone. 130 00:08:07,208 --> 00:08:09,000 Everything was open. 131 00:08:09,083 --> 00:08:12,667 You were able to sit down and have conversations with them. 132 00:08:13,792 --> 00:08:16,542 - Growing up, this was not a problem at all. 133 00:08:16,625 --> 00:08:19,000 There was no hoarding problem. 134 00:08:19,083 --> 00:08:21,500 Parents both had jobs. They worked eight hours a day. 135 00:08:21,542 --> 00:08:23,750 They had to take me to school and they had 136 00:08:23,833 --> 00:08:27,750 several activities going on, but it was mostly work and me. 137 00:08:30,042 --> 00:08:32,250 (pensive music) 138 00:08:37,125 --> 00:08:40,417 I graduated high school when I was 15 years old. 139 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:42,125 I went to a small community college 140 00:08:42,208 --> 00:08:43,750 for the first couple of years 141 00:08:43,833 --> 00:08:46,250 and I stayed living with my parents. 142 00:08:46,333 --> 00:08:49,083 But I moved away when I was 17. 143 00:08:50,375 --> 00:08:53,542 My parents retired at a fairly young age 144 00:08:53,625 --> 00:08:58,375 and they suddenly had nothing to do, every day. 145 00:08:58,500 --> 00:09:01,667 (gentle music) 146 00:09:01,708 --> 00:09:03,250 At some point after that, I guess, 147 00:09:03,333 --> 00:09:05,667 they started going to thrift stores all the time 148 00:09:05,708 --> 00:09:08,167 and it became a daily habit. 149 00:09:09,208 --> 00:09:12,625 I feel guilty because it's been a problem for a while, 150 00:09:12,708 --> 00:09:14,125 but it's been gradual. 151 00:09:14,208 --> 00:09:17,292 And at no point did I really put my foot down and say, 152 00:09:17,375 --> 00:09:18,833 "No, you've gotta stop this." 153 00:09:18,917 --> 00:09:21,542 Because anytime I would hint at it, 154 00:09:21,667 --> 00:09:23,625 my parents would get very defensive. 155 00:09:26,625 --> 00:09:29,000 (tense music) 156 00:09:32,667 --> 00:09:34,167 - Four years ago or so, 157 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:36,917 he was telling us that it was difficult to get around 158 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,542 in the house now and that it was getting to be very full. 159 00:09:40,625 --> 00:09:42,333 I guess it was two or three years ago 160 00:09:42,458 --> 00:09:44,083 that we were talking with my brother, 161 00:09:44,208 --> 00:09:47,542 trying to help him set up a way to get through the clutter. 162 00:09:47,625 --> 00:09:49,958 There was no secret at this time. 163 00:09:50,042 --> 00:09:52,958 At one point we asked him to, maybe we would come out, 164 00:09:53,042 --> 00:09:55,292 that perhaps it was a bigger job 165 00:09:55,375 --> 00:09:57,333 than any two of us were able to do. 166 00:09:57,375 --> 00:10:00,250 So we could come out and perhaps help them begin to sort 167 00:10:00,333 --> 00:10:03,833 through things and that would be a stimulus to get it done. 168 00:10:03,917 --> 00:10:07,833 And he had all kinds of excuses and reasons 169 00:10:07,833 --> 00:10:10,583 why that this wasn't good timing for doing that. 170 00:10:14,708 --> 00:10:17,833 (somber piano music) 171 00:10:23,625 --> 00:10:25,833 - Even before the problem got really bad, 172 00:10:25,958 --> 00:10:29,417 they already had a lot of this extra stuff 173 00:10:29,500 --> 00:10:31,583 from my grandfather passing away. 174 00:10:32,542 --> 00:10:34,833 - We went and got part of his things 175 00:10:36,250 --> 00:10:39,833 and that super crowded our house at that time. 176 00:10:41,292 --> 00:10:44,167 There was an attachment to my dad's stuff. 177 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:48,625 As evidence, I have his last car that he owned 178 00:10:48,708 --> 00:10:53,583 before he died and it's over 20 years old. 179 00:10:53,667 --> 00:10:56,250 I haven't driven it in about 10 years, 180 00:10:56,375 --> 00:10:58,667 but I keep on thinking I may want to fix it 181 00:11:00,750 --> 00:11:02,875 'cause it reminds me of my dad. 182 00:11:07,458 --> 00:11:09,708 (tense music) 183 00:11:10,875 --> 00:11:13,125 - I just don't understand how 184 00:11:13,208 --> 00:11:17,042 they don't ever talk about it being a real problem. 185 00:11:17,125 --> 00:11:20,292 Even though for me, it's an obvious problem. 186 00:11:21,958 --> 00:11:23,625 - The dream we have is that pretty soon, 187 00:11:23,708 --> 00:11:25,208 they'll have their house back. 188 00:11:25,292 --> 00:11:27,458 Right now, they don't have much of a house. 189 00:11:27,542 --> 00:11:32,042 They have probably 1/20th the amount of space to move 190 00:11:32,125 --> 00:11:37,042 in that home as a normal home, they need their life back. 191 00:11:38,792 --> 00:11:41,250 - If the house doesn't get cleaned up, 192 00:11:41,333 --> 00:11:44,000 I'm afraid my parents won't live that much longer 193 00:11:44,083 --> 00:11:46,417 and their health problems will just get worse. 194 00:11:46,500 --> 00:11:47,750 If this house gets cleaned up, 195 00:11:47,833 --> 00:11:52,042 they might live another healthy 30 years, 196 00:11:52,125 --> 00:11:55,792 but instead they might die tomorrow because of the house. 197 00:11:55,875 --> 00:11:58,167 (tense music) 198 00:12:16,042 --> 00:12:17,917 - If the house doesn't get cleaned, 199 00:12:18,042 --> 00:12:20,667 to be able to sit and enjoy their meals at home 200 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:24,292 and for them to have wide open walkways, 201 00:12:25,375 --> 00:12:28,083 I just think that there's going to be a phone call 202 00:12:28,167 --> 00:12:30,125 and it's not going to be a good one. 203 00:12:31,417 --> 00:12:34,125 I hope that they can realize how dangerous it is. 204 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:37,833 (dramatic music) 205 00:12:49,792 --> 00:12:51,250 - Come in. - Come in. 206 00:12:53,208 --> 00:12:55,583 - Oh, hi, Cathy, Bruce. How are you? 207 00:12:55,667 --> 00:12:56,958 I'm Dr. Tolin. - Hi, how you doing? 208 00:12:57,042 --> 00:12:58,375 - Very nice to meet you. 209 00:12:58,458 --> 00:12:59,750 I'm Dr. David Tolin. 210 00:12:59,833 --> 00:13:01,833 I'm a clinical psychologist and I specialize 211 00:13:01,958 --> 00:13:04,333 in the study and treatment of hoarding disorder. 212 00:13:04,375 --> 00:13:06,000 May I step in? - Sure. 213 00:13:06,042 --> 00:13:07,500 - Okay. 214 00:13:07,542 --> 00:13:08,833 - As I walk into the house, 215 00:13:08,917 --> 00:13:10,875 the first thing that I'm really struck by 216 00:13:10,958 --> 00:13:13,750 is the sheer volume of stuff in this house. 217 00:13:13,875 --> 00:13:16,583 I mean, we're talking walls of stuff, 218 00:13:16,667 --> 00:13:19,083 seven, eight feet high. 219 00:13:19,167 --> 00:13:21,000 That's how they're living day-by-day. 220 00:13:21,083 --> 00:13:22,667 And I really feel bad for them 221 00:13:22,833 --> 00:13:24,833 looking at the condition of the house. 222 00:13:24,875 --> 00:13:26,917 So I'm gonna be with you for a few days. 223 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,667 And for today, what I have in mind 224 00:13:29,750 --> 00:13:31,458 is just to get a little bit of a look around, 225 00:13:31,542 --> 00:13:33,708 but also to get to know the two of you a little bit 226 00:13:33,792 --> 00:13:35,708 and try to understand, you know, 227 00:13:35,792 --> 00:13:37,375 what we might wanna work on. 228 00:13:37,458 --> 00:13:40,417 So can you describe for me what we're looking at here? 229 00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:41,833 What's going on? 230 00:13:41,958 --> 00:13:45,708 - Well, when Bruce and I retired 2006, 231 00:13:45,833 --> 00:13:47,833 we had a lot of time on our hands. 232 00:13:47,875 --> 00:13:49,833 We the type, we just don't like to stay at home. 233 00:13:49,917 --> 00:13:52,667 So we'd go out and maybe grab a lunch 234 00:13:52,792 --> 00:13:54,333 and go to a thrift store. 235 00:13:54,417 --> 00:13:56,500 That gives us a chance to do exercise plus- 236 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:58,000 - Thrift stores? - Right. 237 00:13:58,083 --> 00:14:00,333 - Okay, and what do you do at the thrift stores? 238 00:14:00,417 --> 00:14:04,167 - If I see a really good buy or something like that, 239 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:08,500 a $2 item that was retailed out for $40, 240 00:14:08,542 --> 00:14:09,792 I'll probably buy it. 241 00:14:10,708 --> 00:14:11,833 - It does raise a question 242 00:14:11,917 --> 00:14:13,083 that I would have for both of you. 243 00:14:13,167 --> 00:14:15,292 Do you feel like you are buying things 244 00:14:15,375 --> 00:14:17,833 that you don't need or can't use? 245 00:14:17,917 --> 00:14:21,708 - Well, my idea is that when we do buy things, 246 00:14:21,792 --> 00:14:24,375 we look at it from a concept of 247 00:14:25,375 --> 00:14:28,208 we could either give it away or sell it. 248 00:14:28,292 --> 00:14:31,292 And I've only had one garage sale in the last 20 years here. 249 00:14:31,375 --> 00:14:33,542 - So you're not really selling stuff, 250 00:14:33,625 --> 00:14:35,708 but this is the idea in your head 251 00:14:35,792 --> 00:14:38,042 that kind of justifies the purchase? 252 00:14:38,125 --> 00:14:39,042 - Yes. 253 00:14:39,125 --> 00:14:40,625 - The fact of the matter is, 254 00:14:40,708 --> 00:14:42,417 he's not really doing those things. 255 00:14:42,542 --> 00:14:46,250 What he is doing, is accumulating and storing. 256 00:14:47,917 --> 00:14:49,333 What's your vision for this room? 257 00:14:49,417 --> 00:14:52,833 When we're all done, what would you like to see here? 258 00:14:52,875 --> 00:14:55,917 - The couch and the chair, you know, over there. 259 00:14:55,917 --> 00:14:57,667 And of course the TV. 260 00:14:57,708 --> 00:15:00,750 - Sounds like you both would like to see a lot of stuff go. 261 00:15:00,833 --> 00:15:02,708 Is that correct? - Oh, yes, we would. 262 00:15:02,792 --> 00:15:04,625 - Okay. And I think I'm also hearing 263 00:15:04,708 --> 00:15:07,458 that you'd like to use this room, 264 00:15:07,542 --> 00:15:09,958 to sit down on a couch and watch TV and, 265 00:15:10,042 --> 00:15:11,375 which it sounds like it, 266 00:15:11,458 --> 00:15:13,250 those aren't really things you can do right now. 267 00:15:13,333 --> 00:15:16,667 - Well, actually our control center is the kitchen. 268 00:15:16,792 --> 00:15:19,208 - Well, it's not very easy to move around in there either. 269 00:15:19,292 --> 00:15:20,625 - Yeah? Well, I wonder if maybe we could 270 00:15:20,708 --> 00:15:22,500 take a look at the kitchen. Would that be all right? 271 00:15:22,583 --> 00:15:23,792 - Yes. - Sure. 272 00:15:23,875 --> 00:15:25,583 - Okay. I'll let you show me the way here. 273 00:15:25,708 --> 00:15:26,958 - Okay. 274 00:15:27,042 --> 00:15:28,667 - There's a lot of hazards in this house. 275 00:15:28,708 --> 00:15:31,708 I mean, there's an obvious trip and fall hazard. 276 00:15:31,792 --> 00:15:33,500 There's an air quality hazard. 277 00:15:33,583 --> 00:15:37,167 This is obviously not a safe place for Bruce and Cathy. 278 00:15:37,250 --> 00:15:39,000 - [Cathy] It's hard to move around in here. 279 00:15:39,083 --> 00:15:42,000 - Yeah. Well, you know, Cathy, I'm noticing 280 00:15:42,083 --> 00:15:45,083 that your walking is pretty unsteady 281 00:15:45,208 --> 00:15:47,708 and I wonder if you could tell me that story. 282 00:15:47,792 --> 00:15:50,042 - I need a knee replacement and use, 283 00:15:50,125 --> 00:15:52,625 most of the time you have to have a walker. 284 00:15:52,625 --> 00:15:54,750 - But the concern is that you couldn't use a walker in here 285 00:15:54,875 --> 00:15:56,292 because there's no room. 286 00:15:56,375 --> 00:15:57,250 - Right, right. 287 00:15:57,333 --> 00:15:58,875 - Okay. So that's important. 288 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,625 You know, I'm looking around the kitchen 289 00:16:00,708 --> 00:16:04,083 and I see, you know, that it's also very full. 290 00:16:04,167 --> 00:16:05,333 Are you able to cook in here? 291 00:16:05,375 --> 00:16:07,500 - Yes, he bought this. It's a two burner. 292 00:16:07,583 --> 00:16:09,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Oh yeah. I see the hot plate there. 293 00:16:09,417 --> 00:16:11,167 - So, a frying pan and a boiler 294 00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:15,042 so we can cook meat and rice, soup. 295 00:16:15,125 --> 00:16:17,500 - Are y'all worried about fires? 296 00:16:17,542 --> 00:16:20,083 - I'm there all the time when it's cooking. 297 00:16:20,083 --> 00:16:23,583 I mean, I may go on the other side of the refrigerator, 298 00:16:23,667 --> 00:16:26,208 you know, to go to the sink. - But I'm always right here. 299 00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:28,000 - When I go into the kitchen, 300 00:16:28,042 --> 00:16:30,542 I can see that the only thing working in there 301 00:16:30,625 --> 00:16:33,542 is a hot plate that they've got shoved into the middle 302 00:16:33,542 --> 00:16:36,417 of a whole bunch of very flammable clutter. 303 00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:38,833 Both of them downplayed the fire risk and said, 304 00:16:38,875 --> 00:16:41,500 "No, no, no. We're always here. It's okay." 305 00:16:41,542 --> 00:16:44,083 It's not okay. This is really dangerous. 306 00:16:45,583 --> 00:16:48,125 I'm also interested in getting a sense of where you sleep 307 00:16:48,208 --> 00:16:49,500 and I wonder if you could show me that. 308 00:16:49,542 --> 00:16:50,333 - Sure. 309 00:16:50,500 --> 00:16:52,458 - Can we take a look at the bedroom? 310 00:16:52,542 --> 00:16:54,625 (somber music) 311 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,125 So this is the bedroom and it looks like, 312 00:16:58,208 --> 00:16:59,833 I'm guessing you sleep right up there? 313 00:16:59,917 --> 00:17:01,583 - Yes. 314 00:17:01,667 --> 00:17:04,625 - But I don't see a whole lot of room for two people to sleep. 315 00:17:04,708 --> 00:17:07,625 - It's a queen sized bed. - It's a lot of room. 316 00:17:07,708 --> 00:17:10,917 - So as I look around the house, and I do want to thank 317 00:17:10,917 --> 00:17:13,333 both of you for showing me around the house, 318 00:17:13,417 --> 00:17:16,458 I mean, it probably won't surprise you to hear me say 319 00:17:16,542 --> 00:17:19,458 I think a lot of stuff is gonna have to go. 320 00:17:19,458 --> 00:17:21,333 - [Cathy] Oh, yeah. We know that. 321 00:17:21,375 --> 00:17:23,167 - If you think about the whole house, you know, 322 00:17:23,250 --> 00:17:26,000 what percentage of the stuff needs to go 323 00:17:26,083 --> 00:17:27,583 in order for you to be comfortable 324 00:17:27,667 --> 00:17:29,417 and healthy and safe? 325 00:17:29,542 --> 00:17:32,500 - A lot of stuff, it was consolidated 326 00:17:32,542 --> 00:17:36,000 and put it in boxes for us to use it at a later time, 327 00:17:36,083 --> 00:17:37,292 if we wanted to. 328 00:17:38,375 --> 00:17:43,625 We could probably do 50% of the material that way 329 00:17:43,708 --> 00:17:45,500 and it will save a lot of space. 330 00:17:45,583 --> 00:17:48,292 - So you're thinking you probably need to get rid of 50% 331 00:17:48,375 --> 00:17:49,292 and consolidate the rest? 332 00:17:49,375 --> 00:17:51,042 - Well, I don't know. 333 00:17:52,083 --> 00:17:55,083 It sort of depends on what we find 334 00:17:55,208 --> 00:17:58,167 when we're digging in the stuff. - Sure. 335 00:17:58,292 --> 00:17:59,500 Cathy, what's your sense of it? 336 00:17:59,583 --> 00:18:01,417 What do you think, what percentage needs to go? 337 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:04,833 - I'm like Bruce, at least 50%. 338 00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:06,167 - [Dr. Tolin] Okay. 339 00:18:06,208 --> 00:18:08,667 - And some of the things, like he said, 340 00:18:08,792 --> 00:18:12,750 we could put in boxes and put 'em in the bedroom. 341 00:18:13,792 --> 00:18:17,708 At least it'd be out of the way out of these main rooms. 342 00:18:17,792 --> 00:18:20,750 - I think if you got rid of 50% of the things in this house, 343 00:18:20,833 --> 00:18:22,833 you would still have a very cluttered house. 344 00:18:22,917 --> 00:18:24,458 - Oh, you do? - I do. 345 00:18:25,875 --> 00:18:27,042 Well, I mean, just look here. 346 00:18:27,167 --> 00:18:28,500 I mean, like, just imagine if we got rid 347 00:18:28,583 --> 00:18:31,833 of 50% of the items in this room. 348 00:18:31,917 --> 00:18:35,208 Okay, this stack would be down to here now, you know, 349 00:18:35,292 --> 00:18:36,708 and, or that would be up to there. 350 00:18:36,875 --> 00:18:40,833 But I think you'd still would have a lot of stuff in here. 351 00:18:40,917 --> 00:18:42,667 This is a sort of unusual situation. 352 00:18:42,792 --> 00:18:45,292 Most of the time when we talk to somebody 353 00:18:45,375 --> 00:18:47,250 with hoarding disorder, they're pretty isolated. 354 00:18:47,333 --> 00:18:48,958 They often live alone. 355 00:18:49,042 --> 00:18:51,083 In this case, we have a couple 356 00:18:51,167 --> 00:18:53,417 and they both seem to have a hoarding problem. 357 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:56,292 That's gonna be a real challenge for me in my role 358 00:18:56,375 --> 00:18:59,125 because what happens if one member of the couple 359 00:18:59,208 --> 00:19:01,000 starts to change their behavior, 360 00:19:01,083 --> 00:19:02,625 but the other doesn't want to? 361 00:19:02,708 --> 00:19:05,167 So I'm really gonna have to pay very careful attention, 362 00:19:05,250 --> 00:19:07,375 not just to Bruce and Cathy, 363 00:19:07,500 --> 00:19:09,833 but also to the dynamic between them 364 00:19:09,833 --> 00:19:12,792 to make sure that everything is moving in a good direction. 365 00:19:14,417 --> 00:19:16,000 You're gonna have two experts working with you, 366 00:19:16,083 --> 00:19:17,500 me and Carolina. 367 00:19:17,542 --> 00:19:19,375 Now Carolina is an organizer 368 00:19:19,458 --> 00:19:21,000 and we're gonna meet her in a minute. 369 00:19:21,083 --> 00:19:23,000 And she's got a team of professionals 370 00:19:23,083 --> 00:19:25,583 that are good at working with stuff. 371 00:19:25,667 --> 00:19:28,292 And so they're gonna work on the stuff in the house. 372 00:19:28,375 --> 00:19:30,542 I'm gonna work on you. - Okay. 373 00:19:30,667 --> 00:19:34,750 - My job is partly to help make sure that not only 374 00:19:34,833 --> 00:19:37,333 are we making good choices about letting things go, 375 00:19:37,417 --> 00:19:39,583 and again, it's your choice, not mine. 376 00:19:39,708 --> 00:19:41,750 But I also want to make sure that when we leave, 377 00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:43,417 the problem doesn't start to creep back. 378 00:19:43,542 --> 00:19:46,708 So we want to also help you kind of practice healthy habits 379 00:19:46,792 --> 00:19:49,750 that are gonna serve you well for a long time, 380 00:19:49,833 --> 00:19:50,875 even after we're gone. 381 00:19:50,958 --> 00:19:53,917 - Oh, one item comes in, one item goes out. Huh? 382 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,167 - I'd say if one item comes in, maybe five items go out. 383 00:19:57,250 --> 00:19:59,583 - Oh, I don't... (Dr. Tolin laughing) 384 00:19:59,667 --> 00:20:01,292 - But that's just me. That's just me. 385 00:20:01,375 --> 00:20:03,417 All right. Shall we go talk to Carolina? 386 00:20:03,500 --> 00:20:05,667 - Okay. - All right, let's go meet her. 387 00:20:05,708 --> 00:20:07,833 (tense music) 388 00:20:11,375 --> 00:20:13,375 - Hey, Carolina. - Hello, Dr. Tolin. 389 00:20:13,458 --> 00:20:15,208 I'm Carolina Harvey, 390 00:20:15,292 --> 00:20:18,500 organizing expert specializing in hoarding. 391 00:20:18,542 --> 00:20:20,250 - Carolina, I'd like to introduce you 392 00:20:20,333 --> 00:20:22,083 to Cathy and Bruce. 393 00:20:22,167 --> 00:20:23,333 This is Carolina. - Hi, Cathy. 394 00:20:23,417 --> 00:20:24,417 - [Dr. Tolin] Our organizing expert. 395 00:20:24,500 --> 00:20:26,333 - Great to meet you. Great to meet you. 396 00:20:26,375 --> 00:20:28,833 Hi Bruce, Carolina. Great to meet you. 397 00:20:28,917 --> 00:20:30,083 You know these two. 398 00:20:30,167 --> 00:20:32,333 (all laughing) 399 00:20:32,417 --> 00:20:34,417 - So Carolina, we've been in the house 400 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:36,708 and I've been kind of getting to know a little bit 401 00:20:36,792 --> 00:20:39,750 about Bruce and Cathy and their story and looking around. 402 00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:42,083 But I'd really be interested in getting your take on it too. 403 00:20:42,167 --> 00:20:44,292 I mean, there's a lot of stuff in there 404 00:20:44,375 --> 00:20:46,042 and I would really be interested to hear 405 00:20:46,167 --> 00:20:48,167 what you think we could do about it. 406 00:20:48,250 --> 00:20:49,792 - Of course. That sounds good. 407 00:20:49,875 --> 00:20:51,792 You guys wanna head in there and check it out? 408 00:20:51,875 --> 00:20:53,083 - Okay. 409 00:20:53,167 --> 00:20:54,875 - How do you guys feel about us going in? 410 00:20:56,250 --> 00:20:58,250 - Well, it's okay for you to go in, 411 00:20:58,375 --> 00:21:00,292 but I'm worried about them going in. 412 00:21:00,375 --> 00:21:02,458 - You're having trouble- - What's your worry, Cathy? 413 00:21:02,542 --> 00:21:05,208 - Well, they haven't seen the house before. 414 00:21:05,333 --> 00:21:07,333 I mean, in about 30 years, so. 415 00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:09,375 - Why don't I let you guys take a look at it 416 00:21:09,458 --> 00:21:10,708 and we'll be out here waiting for you. 417 00:21:10,792 --> 00:21:13,167 - All right, sounds good. All right, let's go. 418 00:21:13,250 --> 00:21:15,250 You guys ready? Let's do it. - Yeah. 419 00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:18,708 - Be careful about avalanches. 420 00:21:18,792 --> 00:21:21,000 Don't grab things on the side. - Okay. 421 00:21:21,042 --> 00:21:23,458 (tense music) 422 00:21:38,833 --> 00:21:39,958 - Wow. 423 00:21:40,042 --> 00:21:42,375 (tense music) 424 00:21:48,667 --> 00:21:50,375 - Cathy, it looks like you're feeling some things here. 425 00:21:50,458 --> 00:21:52,417 Can you articulate what's going on? 426 00:21:54,208 --> 00:21:57,292 (melancholy music) (Cathy crying) 427 00:22:02,542 --> 00:22:04,083 - I'm sorry. - That's all right. 428 00:22:04,167 --> 00:22:05,667 - Don't be sorry. 429 00:22:05,708 --> 00:22:08,333 It's important for you to express how you're feeling. 430 00:22:08,375 --> 00:22:10,292 - [Cathy] When they see the house... 431 00:22:12,500 --> 00:22:14,208 - [Dr. Tolin] You don't want them to see it? 432 00:22:14,292 --> 00:22:16,333 - No, I want 'em to see it. - You do. 433 00:22:16,375 --> 00:22:20,417 but I don't want to think different of us. 434 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:22,042 - That's your concern, 435 00:22:22,125 --> 00:22:24,667 is that they're gonna think differently of you. 436 00:22:24,708 --> 00:22:25,833 Okay. 437 00:22:26,875 --> 00:22:28,958 So what is it you think they're gonna think? 438 00:22:30,458 --> 00:22:34,708 - Well, like, if we don't care. 439 00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:39,625 - They're gonna think you don't care? 440 00:22:39,708 --> 00:22:43,458 - Well, we care but it's just that, 441 00:22:46,625 --> 00:22:48,583 you see people maybe in a different light 442 00:22:48,667 --> 00:22:50,750 when they see a house like that. 443 00:22:50,833 --> 00:22:51,875 - Mm-hmm. 444 00:22:53,667 --> 00:22:56,625 Yeah. Well, I think they might think that you need help 445 00:22:56,708 --> 00:22:58,458 and that would be true, right? 446 00:22:58,542 --> 00:22:59,792 Yeah. Do you think they 447 00:22:59,917 --> 00:23:02,542 maybe they'll think something bad about you? 448 00:23:02,625 --> 00:23:05,500 - I don't think they would. - I don't think so either. 449 00:23:05,583 --> 00:23:07,333 All right. They seem like pretty nice people 450 00:23:07,417 --> 00:23:09,000 and I know that you're pretty close. 451 00:23:10,708 --> 00:23:11,917 So they're here to support you, right? 452 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,000 Not here to judge you. - Right. Right. 453 00:23:14,083 --> 00:23:16,500 - Right. But we gotta start by taking a look at it. 454 00:23:16,583 --> 00:23:17,958 - Okay. - Okay. 455 00:23:18,042 --> 00:23:20,708 - She was afraid that we would think differently of her 456 00:23:20,792 --> 00:23:22,667 and that never crossed my mind. 457 00:23:22,708 --> 00:23:25,375 I never thought about thinking differently 458 00:23:26,375 --> 00:23:27,833 because all these years I've known 459 00:23:27,917 --> 00:23:31,000 that they have something going on as far as buying things 460 00:23:31,083 --> 00:23:33,958 and holding onto things maybe. 461 00:23:34,042 --> 00:23:36,208 There's nothing wrong with Cathy as far as 462 00:23:36,292 --> 00:23:37,500 who she is as a person. 463 00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:40,917 I love her to death and I will continue. Yeah. 464 00:23:43,208 --> 00:23:45,500 (tense music) 465 00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:53,125 - [Carolina] It looks really unsafe. 466 00:23:53,208 --> 00:23:56,750 - Yeah, it's tight and I'm small. 467 00:23:57,958 --> 00:24:00,333 - [Carolina] It's well above our heads. 468 00:24:00,417 --> 00:24:01,375 And you're, what are you? 469 00:24:01,458 --> 00:24:03,333 - [Jeff] I'm over six feet tall. 470 00:24:03,458 --> 00:24:05,208 Some of this is eight feet tall. 471 00:24:05,292 --> 00:24:08,083 I guess everything's a deal when you see it or something. 472 00:24:10,042 --> 00:24:12,333 - What do you guys think that you're seeing this? 473 00:24:12,417 --> 00:24:13,583 Like, how are you feeling? 474 00:24:13,708 --> 00:24:16,417 It's been over 20 years since you were here last. 475 00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:19,000 - I don't recognize the house, obviously, because- 476 00:24:19,083 --> 00:24:21,167 - You can't see the house. - You can't see the house. 477 00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:24,583 I don't know how they, you know, function in the house. 478 00:24:24,667 --> 00:24:26,833 - [Jeff] How can they live in this, really? 479 00:24:28,542 --> 00:24:29,917 - What do you think about safety? 480 00:24:30,042 --> 00:24:32,667 Like what, I mean, they could die in this, right? 481 00:24:32,708 --> 00:24:34,958 - Obviously if you wanted to get something out of here, 482 00:24:35,042 --> 00:24:37,125 when you grab something, other things could fall. 483 00:24:37,208 --> 00:24:40,083 But even just walking through the path is hardly big enough 484 00:24:40,083 --> 00:24:42,167 to turn around and things so. 485 00:24:42,208 --> 00:24:43,375 It's difficult. 486 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:44,417 - How do you think it happened? 487 00:24:44,542 --> 00:24:45,750 What do you think is going on? 488 00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:48,333 Anything you can tell us? 489 00:24:48,458 --> 00:24:52,167 - You know, I'm kind of lost for words 490 00:24:52,208 --> 00:24:54,083 on how that can happen. 491 00:24:54,208 --> 00:24:56,292 Of course, their car has been full of things, 492 00:24:56,375 --> 00:24:58,167 but nothing like this. 493 00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:59,667 - [Carolina] Right. 494 00:24:59,708 --> 00:25:01,500 - And they told us that they had quite a bit of things 495 00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:05,208 in their home, but nothing like this. 496 00:25:05,292 --> 00:25:08,583 - No, I could not have imagined it being this way. 497 00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:11,500 - It's gotta hurt your heart to know 498 00:25:11,583 --> 00:25:13,208 that they're living like this. 499 00:25:13,292 --> 00:25:14,958 - Oh, for sure. - Definitely. 500 00:25:15,042 --> 00:25:18,708 - You know, over the years we've worked with them 501 00:25:18,833 --> 00:25:22,333 to talk 'em about coming out to help 'em. 502 00:25:22,417 --> 00:25:25,167 'Cause they told us they had a lot of things 503 00:25:25,208 --> 00:25:27,875 and they needed some, you know, it was hard to get started. 504 00:25:27,958 --> 00:25:29,708 So we said we'd be glad to come out, 505 00:25:29,792 --> 00:25:32,750 but they, of course, now we can see why they were basically... 506 00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:35,167 - Yeah. I don't know where you would start. 507 00:25:35,292 --> 00:25:36,375 - Yeah. 508 00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:37,667 It's overwhelming. - It is. 509 00:25:37,708 --> 00:25:40,000 - Right? Like, where do you begin? 510 00:25:40,083 --> 00:25:42,750 I see you're getting a little emotional. 511 00:25:42,833 --> 00:25:46,542 It's hard to see family that you love live like this, right? 512 00:25:46,625 --> 00:25:49,625 It doesn't seem okay. 513 00:25:49,708 --> 00:25:51,667 - There's no space there. 514 00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:54,500 I mean, you're not really living in a space 515 00:25:54,583 --> 00:25:56,667 that is in the shape that this is in. 516 00:25:58,083 --> 00:26:00,667 I would never guess that they were functioning that way 517 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:03,042 in such a dysfunctional setting. 518 00:26:04,958 --> 00:26:08,208 It's just not a place you want to be. 519 00:26:09,708 --> 00:26:11,458 - Hey, guys. - Hi there. 520 00:26:11,542 --> 00:26:12,792 - Hey, hey. 521 00:26:12,917 --> 00:26:15,417 So I would love for you guys to share with them, 522 00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:18,000 what you think, what you saw in there. 523 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,583 - I saw a lot of things. (all laughing) 524 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:24,583 You were right Cathy, there's a lot in there. 525 00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:26,958 There's a path everywhere you need to go, but 526 00:26:28,333 --> 00:26:30,917 maybe a bigger path would be a lot better, huh? 527 00:26:33,125 --> 00:26:35,083 - Beth was a little emotional in there. 528 00:26:35,208 --> 00:26:38,250 - Yeah. I got emotional just like you're doing now. 529 00:26:38,333 --> 00:26:41,792 And I just think, 530 00:26:43,083 --> 00:26:46,917 Bruce, you and Cathy really are such good people 531 00:26:48,208 --> 00:26:52,208 and I just feel like it's a real hardship for you 532 00:26:52,292 --> 00:26:54,125 to be in this situation. 533 00:26:54,208 --> 00:26:57,750 And I can see where we talked about times before 534 00:26:57,833 --> 00:27:00,875 where you would try and tackle it and I can see 535 00:27:00,958 --> 00:27:06,167 where it's such a hard thing to try and tackle. 536 00:27:06,250 --> 00:27:09,125 It's very overwhelming to be able to start it 537 00:27:09,208 --> 00:27:12,875 and imagine being able to complete it. 538 00:27:12,958 --> 00:27:15,417 From that point to the completion, 539 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,208 it's hard to imagine that being 540 00:27:17,208 --> 00:27:18,875 something you could do on your own. 541 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:19,792 - Right. 542 00:27:19,875 --> 00:27:22,000 - And I can understand why 543 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,292 that you weren't able to accomplish that. 544 00:27:25,375 --> 00:27:26,958 - You know, I know that Cathy, 545 00:27:27,042 --> 00:27:31,625 you had some concern that they would view you differently. 546 00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:35,167 Do you? - No, not at all. 547 00:27:35,208 --> 00:27:38,917 - But to me now, all the times we talked about, well, 548 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,000 we come help and get started, 549 00:27:41,083 --> 00:27:43,792 but there's not a starting point that we can see right now. 550 00:27:43,875 --> 00:27:46,583 So that's where, you know, why you guys say, 551 00:27:46,667 --> 00:27:50,500 "Not now. We gotta things fix things up a little bit first." 552 00:27:50,542 --> 00:27:55,208 And gosh, it's impossible to think how to start really. 553 00:27:55,333 --> 00:27:57,000 There's a lot of things. 554 00:27:57,083 --> 00:27:59,625 - It seems like though, like you said, a starting point. 555 00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:01,833 But once you get started, 556 00:28:01,875 --> 00:28:03,833 then you just wanna keep on and on and on. 557 00:28:03,875 --> 00:28:06,042 - Yeah. Well, that would be great. 558 00:28:06,125 --> 00:28:07,625 - That's what we're here for. 559 00:28:07,708 --> 00:28:10,333 We are here to guide you guys through that process 560 00:28:10,417 --> 00:28:11,667 and get started. 561 00:28:11,792 --> 00:28:13,667 - Thank you so much. - And keep going. 562 00:28:13,792 --> 00:28:15,125 - And I guess to that point, 563 00:28:15,250 --> 00:28:16,792 I'd be really interested in hearing from you, Carolina. 564 00:28:16,875 --> 00:28:17,958 What plans do you have? 565 00:28:18,042 --> 00:28:20,333 I mean, how do you want to tackle this? 566 00:28:20,375 --> 00:28:26,625 - Yeah. So, the house is full, so it's really dangerous. 567 00:28:26,708 --> 00:28:28,458 So I think the best thing to do 568 00:28:28,542 --> 00:28:31,042 is to gather some of those spots, 569 00:28:31,125 --> 00:28:33,917 especially the really tall spots and get it out to the lawn 570 00:28:34,042 --> 00:28:35,417 so that we can start sorting, 571 00:28:35,542 --> 00:28:38,833 start looking and seeing what it is that you really need. 572 00:28:38,917 --> 00:28:41,125 - Sounds great. - Yeah. 573 00:28:41,208 --> 00:28:42,375 - It's gonna be hard. 574 00:28:42,542 --> 00:28:45,250 I'm gonna tell you right now, it's gonna be really hard. 575 00:28:45,333 --> 00:28:48,125 But that's part of this process and that's why Dr. Tolin 576 00:28:48,208 --> 00:28:50,917 is so important as a part of this process. 577 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,042 - And I will say, I think you guys 578 00:28:53,125 --> 00:28:55,750 are off to a really good start. 579 00:28:55,833 --> 00:28:57,500 And one of the things that I think is a good start 580 00:28:57,625 --> 00:29:01,667 is that you were willing to allow us to come into your home 581 00:29:01,750 --> 00:29:03,417 and you were willing to allow your loved ones 582 00:29:03,542 --> 00:29:05,250 to come into the home. 583 00:29:05,375 --> 00:29:08,417 So many people struggling with this kind of problem 584 00:29:08,542 --> 00:29:09,875 don't get to that point. 585 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,500 They keep it secret. 586 00:29:11,542 --> 00:29:15,042 They don't want anybody to know and they just feel ashamed. 587 00:29:15,125 --> 00:29:18,625 The fact that you're able to let some people in 588 00:29:18,708 --> 00:29:20,625 to help you, who care about you, I think, 589 00:29:20,708 --> 00:29:22,917 is already putting you ahead of the curve. 590 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,125 So I'm feeling really optimistic about this 591 00:29:25,208 --> 00:29:27,792 and I hope that we can just keep that ball rolling. 592 00:29:27,875 --> 00:29:30,333 So should we wrap for now and plan on coming back 593 00:29:30,375 --> 00:29:32,167 and starting to work on it? 594 00:29:32,208 --> 00:29:34,833 - [Carolina] What do you guys think, yeah? 595 00:29:34,917 --> 00:29:36,750 - There's some work to do. - Yeah, there is. 596 00:29:36,833 --> 00:29:38,333 So Bruce and Cathy, I would say rest up 597 00:29:38,417 --> 00:29:39,083 'cause you're gonna need it. 598 00:29:39,167 --> 00:29:41,708 So we'll see you in the morning 599 00:29:41,833 --> 00:29:43,333 and we'll all come back and get to work. 600 00:29:43,375 --> 00:29:44,833 Okay? - [Bruce] Okay. 601 00:29:44,875 --> 00:29:46,250 (pensive music) 602 00:30:01,375 --> 00:30:03,875 - My dad is very passive aggressive. 603 00:30:03,958 --> 00:30:07,917 He's probably not going to argue too much, but then again, 604 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,542 he might argue over every little thing. 605 00:30:13,708 --> 00:30:15,708 My mom, I think she'll go along with it, 606 00:30:15,792 --> 00:30:18,542 but then if my dad says no, she'll support him. 607 00:30:19,625 --> 00:30:22,458 I really don't know how this is gonna go, to be honest. 608 00:30:28,042 --> 00:30:30,000 - Good morning, everyone. - [All] Good morning. 609 00:30:30,125 --> 00:30:32,792 - It's great to see all of you this morning. 610 00:30:32,875 --> 00:30:35,292 It's good to see you, Cathy, Bruce. 611 00:30:35,375 --> 00:30:37,000 We're ready to get this thing started. 612 00:30:37,042 --> 00:30:39,375 Laz, it's great to meet you this morning. 613 00:30:39,458 --> 00:30:42,167 You're their son, right? Their only son, right? 614 00:30:42,250 --> 00:30:44,500 I can tell you are very proud of your son 615 00:30:44,583 --> 00:30:45,708 by the way you look at him. 616 00:30:45,875 --> 00:30:48,125 That's wonderful. That's wonderful. 617 00:30:48,208 --> 00:30:50,500 It's great to see you, Jeff and Beth, 618 00:30:50,583 --> 00:30:51,958 thanks for being here too. 619 00:30:52,042 --> 00:30:55,083 We're excited. We have quite a crew here for you, 620 00:30:55,167 --> 00:30:57,708 organizers, the hauling team. 621 00:30:57,792 --> 00:31:00,500 We're ready to get a lot of work done, right? 622 00:31:00,583 --> 00:31:02,958 We're gonna be working with you throughout the day. 623 00:31:02,958 --> 00:31:05,625 I really want to start at the front of the house 624 00:31:05,708 --> 00:31:08,958 and get stuff out just like we talked about and sort it out. 625 00:31:09,042 --> 00:31:10,250 Let you see how much you have 626 00:31:10,333 --> 00:31:12,458 so you can start making decisions. 627 00:31:12,542 --> 00:31:13,417 What do you think about that? 628 00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:14,333 - That sounds great. 629 00:31:14,417 --> 00:31:16,292 - Sounds good. - Does that sound good? 630 00:31:16,375 --> 00:31:18,000 Okay, Dr. Tolin, you wanna check in with them? 631 00:31:18,042 --> 00:31:20,375 - Yeah. Well, I just want to say, you know, 632 00:31:20,458 --> 00:31:22,125 I'm just so delighted to be working 633 00:31:22,208 --> 00:31:24,000 with you here and all of you. 634 00:31:24,083 --> 00:31:27,083 And Cathy and Bruce, I think you guys, you know, 635 00:31:27,167 --> 00:31:29,250 seem like you're really great people 636 00:31:29,250 --> 00:31:31,458 who deserve to be living a lot better than this. 637 00:31:31,542 --> 00:31:33,083 - Absolutely. 638 00:31:33,167 --> 00:31:36,042 - But understand that there's kind of two things happening 639 00:31:36,042 --> 00:31:38,125 over the course of this process. 640 00:31:38,208 --> 00:31:40,750 One, that Carolina is leading, 641 00:31:40,833 --> 00:31:42,667 is getting the stuff out of the house 642 00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:45,167 and helping to discard things 643 00:31:45,208 --> 00:31:47,458 and move things into their proper locations. 644 00:31:47,542 --> 00:31:50,375 But the other, and this is where I'm gonna be working with you, 645 00:31:50,458 --> 00:31:52,167 is working on those behavioral factors 646 00:31:52,208 --> 00:31:54,417 that led to the problem in the first place, 647 00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:57,833 and that are gonna potentially make this problem come back. 648 00:31:57,917 --> 00:31:59,875 It's important to recognize that things 649 00:32:00,042 --> 00:32:01,583 are gonna have to be different 650 00:32:01,667 --> 00:32:03,500 if you want life to be better. 651 00:32:03,583 --> 00:32:05,333 So, Bruce, let me put it to you. 652 00:32:05,333 --> 00:32:08,583 Are you ready to do things differently, 653 00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:10,292 now and going forward? 654 00:32:10,375 --> 00:32:11,833 - Yes, I am. 655 00:32:11,875 --> 00:32:13,625 - Okay. Cathy, how about you? Are you ready to be different? 656 00:32:13,708 --> 00:32:15,208 - Yes, I'm ready to be different. 657 00:32:15,333 --> 00:32:16,417 - Okay, good. 658 00:32:16,542 --> 00:32:18,000 Laz, how are you feeling about this process? 659 00:32:18,125 --> 00:32:19,917 What do you anticipate? 660 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,917 - Definitely nervous, 661 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,000 but also very curious how it's gonna play out 662 00:32:24,125 --> 00:32:26,125 and how they're gonna respond. 663 00:32:26,208 --> 00:32:29,333 And maybe things will be different since it's not family, 664 00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:30,667 you know, telling them, you know, 665 00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:32,167 some of this stuff needs to go 666 00:32:32,333 --> 00:32:35,458 and it doesn't make any sense to keep a lot of these things. 667 00:32:35,542 --> 00:32:37,792 - Maybe, maybe. Thank you for that Laz. 668 00:32:37,875 --> 00:32:39,500 Jeff and Beth, great to have you here. 669 00:32:39,542 --> 00:32:40,667 - Thank you. 670 00:32:40,833 --> 00:32:42,208 - So how do you anticipate this going? 671 00:32:42,292 --> 00:32:44,667 I mean, you know the situation pretty well. 672 00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:46,750 What do you think is gonna happen? 673 00:32:46,875 --> 00:32:49,833 - I'm just here to support and make sure 674 00:32:49,958 --> 00:32:52,958 that I'm not in the way of the process 675 00:32:53,042 --> 00:32:56,125 and that I give them the support that they need. 676 00:32:56,125 --> 00:32:58,500 - So any judgment here from you? 677 00:32:58,542 --> 00:32:59,750 - Absolutely none. 678 00:32:59,875 --> 00:33:01,375 - Do you think at all differently of Cathy and Bruce 679 00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:03,042 because you've seen the house? - Absolutely not. 680 00:33:03,125 --> 00:33:06,667 No matter the outcome. Okay? 681 00:33:06,708 --> 00:33:08,125 - Jeff, how about you? 682 00:33:08,208 --> 00:33:11,083 - You know, I'm so glad this day has finally come 683 00:33:11,167 --> 00:33:12,417 because we've been talking about 684 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:14,542 getting started on this over the years, 685 00:33:14,625 --> 00:33:19,125 trying to figure out how to get ready to start. 686 00:33:19,208 --> 00:33:20,708 And once we get started, 687 00:33:20,792 --> 00:33:22,333 I think it's gonna really work well. 688 00:33:22,375 --> 00:33:25,625 But, we just couldn't ever get a start going. 689 00:33:25,708 --> 00:33:28,250 - And Cathy, you seem like you're feeling some things? 690 00:33:28,333 --> 00:33:31,500 (mumbles) (crying) 691 00:33:31,583 --> 00:33:33,583 (emotional music) 692 00:33:34,833 --> 00:33:37,750 - You're good. You're good. - It's okay, it's okay. 693 00:33:39,042 --> 00:33:40,750 - We know you love us. 694 00:33:40,875 --> 00:33:43,500 Yeah, and we love you too. 695 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:48,375 - They are so supportive. 696 00:33:49,958 --> 00:33:51,208 Such good people. 697 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:53,875 - Thank you. 698 00:33:53,958 --> 00:33:55,333 - We're gonna get it done today, huh? 699 00:33:55,417 --> 00:33:57,167 - [Dr. Tolin] They are nice people and you are too, 700 00:33:57,208 --> 00:33:59,000 and y'all deserve the best. 701 00:33:59,083 --> 00:34:00,875 - Okay. So all of us are gonna head 702 00:34:00,958 --> 00:34:03,000 to the front of the house and get started. 703 00:34:03,125 --> 00:34:04,875 And start from the front door. 704 00:34:04,958 --> 00:34:06,417 All right, everybody ready? - Yeah! 705 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:09,000 - All right, let's do this. Let's go! 706 00:34:09,042 --> 00:34:11,667 (dramatic music) 707 00:34:30,917 --> 00:34:32,125 Bruce and Cathy, come on up. 708 00:34:32,208 --> 00:34:33,833 Family, come on up. 709 00:34:33,833 --> 00:34:37,292 So I want you to first look over there at the porch. 710 00:34:37,375 --> 00:34:39,125 All that stuff is gone. 711 00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:41,292 We're sorting it out onto these tarps 712 00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:42,625 into different categories 713 00:34:42,792 --> 00:34:45,458 so that you can make decisions about categories. Okay? 714 00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:47,667 But I wanted you to look at this first 715 00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:52,042 because it is all the items that we believe to be trash. 716 00:34:52,125 --> 00:34:54,375 So I want you two to look at this 717 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:58,333 and tell me if you're willing to let this go. 718 00:34:58,375 --> 00:35:01,167 There's mold on these boxes. 719 00:35:01,208 --> 00:35:03,750 We can dig through all of it if you would like to, 720 00:35:03,833 --> 00:35:05,125 but it is trash. 721 00:35:05,208 --> 00:35:07,875 - I'd like to save four or five of these. 722 00:35:07,958 --> 00:35:10,000 They're really excellent, 723 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,333 doesn't take up any space at all. 724 00:35:12,375 --> 00:35:13,208 - Okay. 725 00:35:13,292 --> 00:35:15,167 - And that's about it. 726 00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:17,667 Okay. All the rest of 'em could go. 727 00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:20,250 - You're only keeping five boxes. I think that's good. 728 00:35:20,333 --> 00:35:22,292 Let's try to keep on this trend. 729 00:35:22,375 --> 00:35:25,167 Let's try, one decision at a time, right? 730 00:35:25,250 --> 00:35:26,542 How about this? 731 00:35:26,542 --> 00:35:28,667 Could I get you to take something off this pile 732 00:35:28,792 --> 00:35:30,500 and take it into the dumpster? 733 00:35:30,583 --> 00:35:32,833 - [Bruce] Can I just toss it over or do you want me to- 734 00:35:32,875 --> 00:35:34,250 - Nope, I want you to walk on in. 735 00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:35,500 - Walk it. - Walk it in. 736 00:35:35,583 --> 00:35:38,083 You got it, Bruce? All right. 737 00:35:40,792 --> 00:35:43,083 Yay! Woo-hoo! 738 00:35:44,125 --> 00:35:46,792 Good job, Bruce. Decision one! 739 00:35:46,875 --> 00:35:49,625 (dramatic music) 740 00:35:53,458 --> 00:35:54,833 I'm gonna tell you right now, 741 00:35:54,917 --> 00:35:56,833 because this stuff was all outside, 742 00:35:56,917 --> 00:35:59,667 if you are letting it go, donation's not an option. 743 00:35:59,750 --> 00:36:00,875 There was mice over there. 744 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,667 - There were what? - There was mice. 745 00:36:02,750 --> 00:36:03,833 - Really? - Yep. 746 00:36:03,917 --> 00:36:07,125 - I didn't see any. - So it's keep or let go. 747 00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:08,625 Okay? Keep or trash. 748 00:36:10,792 --> 00:36:12,500 - [Bruce] You could give those to Jeff. 749 00:36:12,583 --> 00:36:15,417 Turn that out and I'm gonna clean them up 750 00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:17,708 and give those to Steve, he likes wood. 751 00:36:17,792 --> 00:36:19,042 - Okay, so here's the thing. 752 00:36:19,125 --> 00:36:20,958 You're looking to give away something 753 00:36:21,042 --> 00:36:23,917 to someone that was with mice? 754 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,417 - [Bruce] I'm gonna clean it up. I'll wear gloves. 755 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,083 - This is wood, so it's porous. 756 00:36:30,083 --> 00:36:32,000 That means if mice peed on it, 757 00:36:32,083 --> 00:36:33,500 you can't clean it up and get it out. 758 00:36:33,583 --> 00:36:37,208 - Oh well, I could surely spray it with disinfectant 759 00:36:37,292 --> 00:36:40,083 because that would also penetrate into the wood. 760 00:36:40,208 --> 00:36:42,125 - Not when it's porous like this. 761 00:36:42,208 --> 00:36:43,667 - [Dr. Tolin] What do you think about it, Laz? 762 00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:46,583 - I think my Uncle Steve would prefer 763 00:36:46,667 --> 00:36:48,833 that you make the healthy choice here. 764 00:36:48,917 --> 00:36:53,208 This item right here, this isn't a priority for him. 765 00:36:53,292 --> 00:36:55,958 - Well, nothing's a priority for him. 766 00:36:56,042 --> 00:36:59,417 Nothing's a priority here for any of this stuff for you. 767 00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:02,000 - [Dr. Tolin] Well, Bruce, if that's the case, 768 00:37:02,083 --> 00:37:03,333 then what's the justification 769 00:37:03,417 --> 00:37:05,083 for hanging onto this stuff for him? 770 00:37:05,167 --> 00:37:08,542 - He enjoys hand-carved wood stuff. 771 00:37:09,500 --> 00:37:13,042 I think I could clean those up 772 00:37:13,167 --> 00:37:15,958 even if they peed on it or not. 773 00:37:15,958 --> 00:37:17,250 I could clean it up, 774 00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:21,167 leave it out in the sun and it'll self-sanitize. 775 00:37:21,208 --> 00:37:23,875 Okay? I want to keep it. 776 00:37:23,958 --> 00:37:25,917 - I'm already really concerned. 777 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000 Bruce said, "Whether it's a good decision or not, 778 00:37:28,083 --> 00:37:29,208 I want to keep it." 779 00:37:29,292 --> 00:37:31,667 I think that sums up his mentality 780 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,333 and maybe it sums up the mentality of a lot of people 781 00:37:34,375 --> 00:37:35,583 with hoarding disorder, 782 00:37:35,708 --> 00:37:37,792 which is that even if it's a bad decision, 783 00:37:37,875 --> 00:37:39,375 the fact of the matter is, 784 00:37:39,458 --> 00:37:43,125 I have this want that I cannot satisfy 785 00:37:43,208 --> 00:37:45,917 and I just keep accumulating stuff. 786 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000 (tense music) 787 00:37:54,042 --> 00:37:56,250 (country guitar music) 788 00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:03,208 - That's a replacement for the heater 789 00:38:03,292 --> 00:38:05,375 in the front bathroom. Keep that. 790 00:38:07,083 --> 00:38:08,333 I wanna keep this. 791 00:38:08,417 --> 00:38:10,375 - You wanna hold onto this one? 792 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:11,750 So you wanna keep that? 793 00:38:11,833 --> 00:38:13,125 - That one? Yes. 794 00:38:13,208 --> 00:38:15,417 I'd like to keep the fan. - You'd like to keep the fan. 795 00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:16,833 So you wanna keep all the ornaments? 796 00:38:16,917 --> 00:38:18,292 - Yes. 797 00:38:18,375 --> 00:38:19,792 - [Laz] Are you gonna decorate the house this year? 798 00:38:19,875 --> 00:38:20,750 - No. 799 00:38:27,583 --> 00:38:30,417 - I don't think 90% of those like, decorations 800 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:31,958 you're ever gonna use. 801 00:38:32,042 --> 00:38:34,917 We'll never get done if you don't just start saying in mass 802 00:38:35,042 --> 00:38:36,708 to get rid of whole boxes. 803 00:38:36,833 --> 00:38:39,625 Taking quick glances at boxes. - No. 804 00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,208 - We have a hundred thousand different items in this house, 805 00:38:42,292 --> 00:38:43,875 and if we have to stop every second 806 00:38:43,958 --> 00:38:46,958 to decide yes or no on things, we'll never get finished. 807 00:38:47,042 --> 00:38:49,458 - Well, we'll just throw out everything in the whole house 808 00:38:49,542 --> 00:38:52,375 and then we'll be done in 10 seconds. 809 00:38:54,625 --> 00:38:56,500 - What I'm seeing is I'm seeing, Bruce, 810 00:38:56,583 --> 00:39:00,208 you having a kind of a knee-jerk reaction to save things 811 00:39:00,292 --> 00:39:02,000 and feeling threatened by anything different. 812 00:39:02,083 --> 00:39:04,417 - I'm not gonna take a box and just look at it and say, 813 00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:06,292 "Throw it away." 814 00:39:06,375 --> 00:39:09,250 That's ridiculous. You've gotta see what's in there. 815 00:39:09,333 --> 00:39:12,250 - I mean, you could throw 90, 95% of everything in the house 816 00:39:12,250 --> 00:39:15,167 away except for just what you need. 817 00:39:15,250 --> 00:39:18,667 And your life would be a million times better. 818 00:39:18,708 --> 00:39:22,583 The air quality in the house will be much higher. 819 00:39:22,708 --> 00:39:26,208 You guys can move around without getting arthritis 820 00:39:26,292 --> 00:39:27,833 or making your arthritis worse. 821 00:39:27,917 --> 00:39:32,333 That's the priority, is you guys living a healthy life. 822 00:39:33,708 --> 00:39:35,333 But if we don't do something with this house 823 00:39:35,417 --> 00:39:36,792 and get rid of most of this stuff, 824 00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:38,417 you're not gonna live very much longer 825 00:39:38,542 --> 00:39:40,750 and you won't have any time for projects 826 00:39:40,833 --> 00:39:42,292 if you're six feet under the ground. 827 00:39:42,375 --> 00:39:44,292 - Yeah, if I'm six foot under the ground, 828 00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:49,083 then you get to deal with it, then you could call them up. 829 00:39:49,167 --> 00:39:50,917 - [Carolina] Is that really fair to Laz though? 830 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,833 Think about what you just said, Bruce. 831 00:39:52,958 --> 00:39:55,000 - [Bruce] Well, you get all the money too. 832 00:39:56,167 --> 00:39:57,583 - I mean, the cleanup would cost more 833 00:39:57,667 --> 00:39:59,833 than value of the house, I hate to say it. 834 00:39:59,875 --> 00:40:03,833 And it would still take a humongous amount of time. 835 00:40:03,875 --> 00:40:05,625 - Cathy, what's your thought here? 836 00:40:10,792 --> 00:40:15,333 - Like Bruce, like he said, he loves to do these projects 837 00:40:15,417 --> 00:40:17,833 and I'm just not gonna take away from it. 838 00:40:17,875 --> 00:40:20,083 - Cathy, I would say if you think that Bruce 839 00:40:20,208 --> 00:40:22,000 is hanging on to too much stuff, 840 00:40:22,042 --> 00:40:24,375 this would be a really good time to tell him. 841 00:40:26,542 --> 00:40:28,042 - Well, I don't think he is. 842 00:40:29,417 --> 00:40:31,250 - Sometimes when you really love somebody, 843 00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:34,292 you have to tell them to stop doing what they're doing. 844 00:40:34,375 --> 00:40:36,458 That's part of how you show love. 845 00:40:36,542 --> 00:40:40,167 You don't just let them go off into self-destruction. 846 00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:41,625 I don't see Cathy doing that. 847 00:40:41,708 --> 00:40:43,542 I don't see Cathy standing up and saying, 848 00:40:43,625 --> 00:40:45,958 "Honey, you've gotta stop this." 849 00:40:45,958 --> 00:40:47,542 (pensive music) 850 00:40:47,667 --> 00:40:49,583 - Can we throw this out? 851 00:40:49,667 --> 00:40:52,375 - [Bruce] Hold on just a minute on that. 852 00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:54,750 - Time out. Wouldn't this be for the refrigerator 853 00:40:54,833 --> 00:40:56,417 that you're getting rid of? 854 00:40:57,708 --> 00:41:00,875 - But it's a good carrying case for miscellaneous junk. 855 00:41:00,958 --> 00:41:03,708 - So you wanna hold onto this? - For right now, yes. 856 00:41:03,792 --> 00:41:05,500 - [Carolina] I feel like you're delaying a decision. 857 00:41:05,583 --> 00:41:06,708 - Well, like I said, 858 00:41:06,792 --> 00:41:10,125 I could throw it out later if I decide later, 859 00:41:10,208 --> 00:41:11,167 I can think about it. 860 00:41:11,250 --> 00:41:12,667 - Well, everything can be later. 861 00:41:12,750 --> 00:41:15,333 That's why we're here because everything has been later. 862 00:41:15,375 --> 00:41:18,667 - You can't keep doing the same thing 863 00:41:18,750 --> 00:41:21,458 and expect that things are gonna be different. 864 00:41:21,542 --> 00:41:24,833 So with the process of saving, 865 00:41:24,917 --> 00:41:27,167 the process of delaying decisions 866 00:41:27,292 --> 00:41:28,958 because they're too hard. 867 00:41:29,042 --> 00:41:31,667 Those are all the old ways and we need to push back 868 00:41:31,708 --> 00:41:34,500 against those to make good, solid decisions. 869 00:41:34,542 --> 00:41:36,542 - All right. Well, I've decided to keep it. 870 00:41:38,375 --> 00:41:39,917 Next. 871 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000 (tense music) 872 00:41:47,417 --> 00:41:49,125 - All right, Bruce and Cathy, 873 00:41:49,208 --> 00:41:52,542 this was all the bags that were on the porch. 874 00:41:52,625 --> 00:41:54,125 I want you to look at them all, 875 00:41:54,208 --> 00:41:56,958 but I also want you to look at and see that there's mold. 876 00:41:57,042 --> 00:41:59,250 - Throw that one away. - This one? 877 00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,208 - Yep. - What about that one? 878 00:42:00,292 --> 00:42:02,125 It's got mold on it. 879 00:42:02,125 --> 00:42:03,708 It's leather, so it's porous. 880 00:42:03,792 --> 00:42:06,208 - Oh, go ahead. - You sure? Okay. 881 00:42:06,292 --> 00:42:08,667 To be honest, this one looks like it's in the best shape. 882 00:42:08,708 --> 00:42:11,167 - Which one? - This one, the messenger. 883 00:42:12,708 --> 00:42:15,792 I don't see mold. It's clean on the inside. 884 00:42:15,875 --> 00:42:17,583 You have a spot for a laptop. 885 00:42:18,667 --> 00:42:20,708 This one does have mold on it. 886 00:42:20,792 --> 00:42:21,667 Cathy, what do you think? 887 00:42:21,708 --> 00:42:23,042 - No. - Let it go? 888 00:42:23,125 --> 00:42:25,542 All right. There's mold inside of that one. 889 00:42:25,542 --> 00:42:28,083 - You can toss it. - You see it? All right. 890 00:42:28,167 --> 00:42:29,000 - Now that's a tool bag. 891 00:42:29,083 --> 00:42:30,500 - This is more like a tool bag, yep. 892 00:42:30,583 --> 00:42:32,500 But you can see that there was mice in here. 893 00:42:32,542 --> 00:42:36,667 - Well, let me... - You hear your family? 894 00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:38,125 - I'm sure you have better than that. 895 00:42:38,208 --> 00:42:39,250 - [Laz] You have plenty. 896 00:42:39,375 --> 00:42:40,667 I think you're gonna find a lot more tool bags. 897 00:42:40,708 --> 00:42:42,708 At least a few more tool bags in there. 898 00:42:42,792 --> 00:42:44,500 - [Carolina] Okay. Tell me what you'd like to do. 899 00:42:44,625 --> 00:42:45,833 - Go ahead and toss it. 900 00:42:45,917 --> 00:42:47,500 - You ready to let it go and keep this one? 901 00:42:47,583 --> 00:42:49,208 - Yes. - Can we put it in the bag? 902 00:42:49,292 --> 00:42:52,333 That works. All right, oh, we got one more bag right here. 903 00:42:52,417 --> 00:42:54,417 What about this one? - Toss it! 904 00:42:54,542 --> 00:42:56,417 - "Toss it," she said. All right. 905 00:42:56,500 --> 00:43:01,125 So Bruce and Cathy, I think that was a really good job. 906 00:43:01,208 --> 00:43:02,417 Really, really good job. 907 00:43:02,500 --> 00:43:05,167 You kept one bag and one extra strap. 908 00:43:05,208 --> 00:43:09,250 Everything else you got rid of, you did really good. 909 00:43:09,333 --> 00:43:10,333 Really, really good. 910 00:43:11,833 --> 00:43:14,958 Two blankets, remember, they were outside. 911 00:43:17,042 --> 00:43:19,542 Mice, pee, urine. 912 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:23,458 - I'd be inclined to keep 'em. 913 00:43:23,542 --> 00:43:25,375 (tense music) 914 00:43:25,458 --> 00:43:26,500 - Cathy, what do you think? 915 00:43:26,625 --> 00:43:27,833 You wanna keep 'em? - Yes. 916 00:43:27,958 --> 00:43:29,833 - Remember, they were outside. 917 00:43:29,917 --> 00:43:31,667 - [Beth] And how old do you think those blankets are? 918 00:43:31,792 --> 00:43:33,000 - Look almost new. 919 00:43:33,083 --> 00:43:34,667 - [Beth] How long do you think you've had them? 920 00:43:34,708 --> 00:43:36,000 - Probably no more than, 921 00:43:36,042 --> 00:43:38,500 I think we got 'em four to six months ago. 922 00:43:38,625 --> 00:43:40,875 - [Beth] And where do you think you got those? 923 00:43:40,958 --> 00:43:44,000 - At a thrift store. - Okay. 924 00:43:44,083 --> 00:43:46,208 - So there's not even any sentimental value to 'em. 925 00:43:46,292 --> 00:43:49,833 They weren't Grandpa's or Grandmother's or anybody's, 926 00:43:49,917 --> 00:43:53,333 they were just some item you bought at a thrift store 927 00:43:53,458 --> 00:43:55,708 and it's that important? - Yes. 928 00:43:57,500 --> 00:43:59,292 - [Beth] How would you use them? 929 00:43:59,375 --> 00:44:04,458 - Maybe on a throw or the back end of a chair or the couch. 930 00:44:04,542 --> 00:44:05,833 - [Beth] Inside the house? 931 00:44:05,875 --> 00:44:08,333 - You wouldn't use them, if the mice been on them, 932 00:44:08,375 --> 00:44:10,042 would you? - I don't know. 933 00:44:10,125 --> 00:44:12,583 - Cathy, I heard you kind of speaking an opinion there 934 00:44:12,667 --> 00:44:14,042 and I appreciate that. 935 00:44:14,125 --> 00:44:15,875 It sounds like you didn't think that bringing 936 00:44:15,875 --> 00:44:18,417 one of these inside the house was such a good idea. 937 00:44:18,542 --> 00:44:21,375 - Well, not inside the house maybe, until they're cleaned. 938 00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:23,000 - What's the point of even doing this 939 00:44:23,083 --> 00:44:25,458 if we aren't gonna keep some of the stuff 940 00:44:25,542 --> 00:44:27,875 and throw out the other stuff? 941 00:44:29,292 --> 00:44:30,833 - But you're keeping stuff that mice have been on, 942 00:44:30,917 --> 00:44:32,667 that's been stored outside. 943 00:44:32,708 --> 00:44:34,917 - We don't know for sure if they've been on these. 944 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,500 I don't see any urine stains on 'em. 945 00:44:37,583 --> 00:44:40,125 - I'm not gonna try to debate this, 946 00:44:40,208 --> 00:44:43,458 but I just kind of want you to be thinking 947 00:44:43,542 --> 00:44:45,042 about what's really important. 948 00:44:45,125 --> 00:44:47,000 It's not this, this isn't important. 949 00:44:47,125 --> 00:44:50,000 This is a thing. You need to make the right choices here. 950 00:44:50,042 --> 00:44:53,000 - I don't see a health problem in those. 951 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,667 - I know you don't. I know you don't. 952 00:44:54,792 --> 00:44:57,625 - So if I don't see a health problem, 953 00:44:57,708 --> 00:44:58,958 that's the reason why I wanna keep them. 954 00:44:59,042 --> 00:45:02,125 - I know. And that I think is your blind spot. 955 00:45:02,250 --> 00:45:05,917 That drive to hang onto things is so strong 956 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,833 that it overrides everything else, 957 00:45:07,875 --> 00:45:09,333 including his best interest, 958 00:45:09,417 --> 00:45:11,958 Cathy's best interest, the family's best interest. 959 00:45:12,042 --> 00:45:15,792 Basically, he will save himself to death. 960 00:45:34,042 --> 00:45:36,667 - My parents are definitely hoarders. 961 00:45:36,750 --> 00:45:40,083 Their house is a mess, it's ridiculous. 962 00:45:40,167 --> 00:45:42,167 (dramatic music) 963 00:45:42,208 --> 00:45:43,917 - Seeing this, like how are you feeling? 964 00:45:44,042 --> 00:45:47,292 It's been over 20 years since you were here last. 965 00:45:47,375 --> 00:45:49,333 - [Beth] I don't recognize the house, obviously, because- 966 00:45:49,375 --> 00:45:51,500 - You can't see the house. - You can't see the house. 967 00:45:51,583 --> 00:45:53,792 (intense music) 968 00:45:53,875 --> 00:45:55,125 - You think about the whole house, 969 00:45:55,208 --> 00:45:57,833 what percentage of the stuff needs to go? 970 00:45:57,917 --> 00:46:00,333 - One item comes in, one item goes out, huh? 971 00:46:00,417 --> 00:46:04,000 - I'd say if one item comes in, maybe five items go out. 972 00:46:08,208 --> 00:46:09,917 - We'll never get done if you don't just start- 973 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,833 - No, I'm not gonna take a box and just look at it 974 00:46:11,875 --> 00:46:13,667 and say, "Throw it away." 975 00:46:13,708 --> 00:46:15,208 That's ridiculous. 976 00:46:15,292 --> 00:46:17,667 - If you think that Bruce is hanging onto too much stuff, 977 00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:19,333 this would be a really good time to tell him. 978 00:46:19,458 --> 00:46:21,333 - I don't think he is. 979 00:46:21,375 --> 00:46:23,417 (tense music ends) 980 00:46:32,708 --> 00:46:34,333 - I have two concerns. 981 00:46:34,375 --> 00:46:37,208 The first concern is Cathy not feeling like 982 00:46:37,292 --> 00:46:40,167 she can make her own decisions and being independent. 983 00:46:41,292 --> 00:46:44,208 But I'm also concerned that Cathy wants to make decisions 984 00:46:44,292 --> 00:46:46,375 with Bruce the entire time we're here. 985 00:46:46,500 --> 00:46:49,167 There's no way we can get through this house 986 00:46:49,167 --> 00:46:50,875 if we don't divide and conquer. 987 00:46:53,542 --> 00:46:55,958 Good morning, everyone. - [All] Good morning. 988 00:46:56,042 --> 00:46:58,208 - It's great to see everyone this morning. 989 00:46:58,292 --> 00:46:59,542 How are you guys feeling about today? 990 00:46:59,625 --> 00:47:00,875 - Good. - Good. 991 00:47:00,958 --> 00:47:03,000 - Excited. - Yeah? 992 00:47:03,042 --> 00:47:05,542 Bruce? Good? - Good. 993 00:47:05,625 --> 00:47:06,708 - Cathy? - Yes. 994 00:47:06,792 --> 00:47:08,833 - You ready? All right. - Yeah. 995 00:47:08,917 --> 00:47:10,708 - So I brought organizers with me today 996 00:47:10,792 --> 00:47:14,667 because I would like to see if we can split up. 997 00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:16,500 What are you guys thinking about that? 998 00:47:16,583 --> 00:47:18,042 - That would be all right. - Yes. 999 00:47:18,125 --> 00:47:20,292 - That would be okay? Great. Okay. 1000 00:47:20,375 --> 00:47:21,458 That's exciting. 1001 00:47:21,583 --> 00:47:23,125 I'm really glad that you're willing to do this. 1002 00:47:23,208 --> 00:47:25,000 We're gonna get so much more accomplished 1003 00:47:25,042 --> 00:47:28,583 because we have more than one person making decisions. Okay. 1004 00:47:28,708 --> 00:47:31,500 So Cathy, Jeff, and Beth, 1005 00:47:31,583 --> 00:47:36,000 I'm gonna have you out front with Danny and Maya, okay. 1006 00:47:36,083 --> 00:47:41,000 Laz, Bruce, and myself and Annie will be in the back. 1007 00:47:41,042 --> 00:47:42,833 Everybody ready to get going? - [All] Yeah. 1008 00:47:42,875 --> 00:47:44,458 - All right. Let's do this. 1009 00:47:44,542 --> 00:47:46,833 (gentle upbeat music) 1010 00:48:11,167 --> 00:48:12,667 - I don't want these. - You want these? 1011 00:48:12,750 --> 00:48:14,833 These are an 18. - I don't want them. 1012 00:48:20,792 --> 00:48:23,125 - Just figured I'd check in and see how things are going. 1013 00:48:23,208 --> 00:48:24,583 - Cathy is doing amazing. 1014 00:48:24,708 --> 00:48:26,167 - Amazing, huh? - Yes. 1015 00:48:26,208 --> 00:48:29,167 She is making smart, healthy choices. 1016 00:48:29,208 --> 00:48:32,417 She has already created rules for us to use. 1017 00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:35,042 So as we start pulling things out of the bag, 1018 00:48:35,125 --> 00:48:36,875 she's not even having to look at certain items. 1019 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,500 We already know that they're trash. 1020 00:48:38,583 --> 00:48:40,167 - Wow! - Yes. 1021 00:48:40,208 --> 00:48:41,833 - So how much stuff is being kept 1022 00:48:41,958 --> 00:48:44,208 and how much stuff is being tossed? Do you know? 1023 00:48:44,292 --> 00:48:47,333 - I would say right now she's probably either donating 1024 00:48:47,458 --> 00:48:50,917 or trashing around 50% of what we're looking at. 1025 00:48:51,042 --> 00:48:54,208 - Okay. - So she's making huge strides. 1026 00:48:54,292 --> 00:48:55,958 - Great. Cathy, how does it feel like it's going 1027 00:48:56,042 --> 00:48:57,833 from your perspective? - It's going good. 1028 00:48:57,875 --> 00:48:58,958 - Yeah? - Yeah. 1029 00:48:59,042 --> 00:49:00,167 - Beth, Jeff, what are you seeing? 1030 00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:02,875 - Yes. I think, once she gets an idea 1031 00:49:02,958 --> 00:49:05,125 or feel for how much she has 1032 00:49:05,208 --> 00:49:07,833 that she may go back and make some decisions 1033 00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,583 to let some more things go, right? 1034 00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:10,875 - Right. - Okay. Great. 1035 00:49:10,958 --> 00:49:12,833 Thank you. Thanks guys. 1036 00:49:12,917 --> 00:49:15,167 (tense music) 1037 00:49:20,333 --> 00:49:21,750 - [Carolina] He said the microwave can go. 1038 00:49:21,875 --> 00:49:23,250 Yep. He's taking it right now. 1039 00:49:23,333 --> 00:49:24,750 - [Bruce] That could be thrown away. 1040 00:49:24,833 --> 00:49:26,458 - Trash? - Trash. 1041 00:49:26,542 --> 00:49:28,292 - [Carolina] There's a bunch of silverware here, Bruce. 1042 00:49:28,375 --> 00:49:30,208 - [Bruce] I have a friend at the Knife and Gun Show, 1043 00:49:30,333 --> 00:49:32,167 I'm gonna give that to him. 1044 00:49:32,208 --> 00:49:34,208 - Time out. You said that you wanna give those knives 1045 00:49:34,292 --> 00:49:36,292 to a friend at the Knife and Gun Show? 1046 00:49:36,375 --> 00:49:37,667 - [Bruce] Yeah. 1047 00:49:37,708 --> 00:49:39,000 - But those are household knives. 1048 00:49:39,083 --> 00:49:41,542 - Yeah, that's what he does. 1049 00:49:41,625 --> 00:49:44,583 He sharpens the household knives and stuff like that. 1050 00:49:44,708 --> 00:49:46,333 - Do you think it's worth the effort for him 1051 00:49:46,458 --> 00:49:49,750 to take some very basic silverware 1052 00:49:49,833 --> 00:49:52,000 and spend hours cleaning 'em up and sharpening them all? 1053 00:49:52,125 --> 00:49:53,833 - No, he doesn't have to clean 'em up. 1054 00:49:53,875 --> 00:49:57,292 He just, no, I don't want toss it. 1055 00:49:57,375 --> 00:49:59,625 I think this is something we're wasting our time on 1056 00:49:59,625 --> 00:50:03,042 when I can set it over there and I can get to it later. 1057 00:50:03,208 --> 00:50:05,417 - Dr. Tolin, can you come in and weigh in on this? 1058 00:50:05,542 --> 00:50:07,083 - Yeah sure. What are you seeing? 1059 00:50:07,167 --> 00:50:10,208 - So Bruce got rid of the microwave real quick, 1060 00:50:10,333 --> 00:50:12,333 and then we got to these knives. 1061 00:50:12,417 --> 00:50:14,792 And he says he wants to keep them to give them 1062 00:50:14,875 --> 00:50:17,583 to a friend that's a knife seller. 1063 00:50:17,667 --> 00:50:21,875 And Laz and I shared that they're kitchen knives. 1064 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,000 - They're not collector's items or- 1065 00:50:23,042 --> 00:50:24,833 - They're not, correct. 1066 00:50:24,917 --> 00:50:26,375 - I would just want to point out, Bruce, 1067 00:50:26,500 --> 00:50:31,083 that I think your Achilles heel has been saving things 1068 00:50:31,208 --> 00:50:33,250 that you hope to give to somebody else. 1069 00:50:33,375 --> 00:50:34,542 I think it's thinking like that, 1070 00:50:34,625 --> 00:50:37,167 that caused the problem in the first place. 1071 00:50:37,208 --> 00:50:38,500 Maybe you should get out 1072 00:50:38,583 --> 00:50:41,333 of the gift-giving business for a while. 1073 00:50:41,375 --> 00:50:43,833 You recognize that this is a really unhealthy pattern 1074 00:50:43,917 --> 00:50:45,958 that you're in, and maybe it's just good 1075 00:50:46,042 --> 00:50:47,708 to let things go rather than hang onto them. 1076 00:50:47,792 --> 00:50:51,125 - Yeah and it also hurts me to see that in the dump somewhere. 1077 00:50:51,208 --> 00:50:53,042 - Yeah, I know it would hurt. - That hurts me a lot. 1078 00:50:53,125 --> 00:50:54,167 - I know it would hurt. 1079 00:50:54,208 --> 00:50:56,375 But could these be donated perhaps? 1080 00:50:56,458 --> 00:50:58,333 I mean, would there be a charity that would accept them? 1081 00:50:58,417 --> 00:51:00,708 - Well, they're rusty. I'm looking right at 'em. 1082 00:51:00,792 --> 00:51:05,167 - [Bruce] Most of 'em are, 99% of 'em are stainless steel. 1083 00:51:05,167 --> 00:51:07,000 - Yeah. But it's rusted. - A little bit of dirt. 1084 00:51:07,083 --> 00:51:08,875 - [Carolina] But you can't, that's not dirt. 1085 00:51:08,958 --> 00:51:10,167 Go ahead, try to rub it off. 1086 00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:12,167 They're not reusable or donatable. 1087 00:51:12,208 --> 00:51:14,000 We can scrap them. 1088 00:51:14,083 --> 00:51:16,417 - I've polished a lot of knives out like that. 1089 00:51:17,458 --> 00:51:19,500 - I think we've kind of come into the two themes 1090 00:51:19,542 --> 00:51:21,667 that have really tripped you up in the past, 1091 00:51:21,708 --> 00:51:23,542 which is, "I'm gonna save this for somebody," 1092 00:51:23,667 --> 00:51:25,167 and, "I'm gonna make a project out of this." 1093 00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:27,250 And I think that that thinking 1094 00:51:27,333 --> 00:51:29,833 has really contributed to the very unhealthy 1095 00:51:29,917 --> 00:51:30,833 and unsafe situation in your house. 1096 00:51:30,958 --> 00:51:33,500 - Okay, put it in the save. 1097 00:51:33,583 --> 00:51:35,833 - I'd rather see you just make a good, solid decision. 1098 00:51:35,875 --> 00:51:38,292 - That's my solid decision here, we'll put it in. 1099 00:51:38,375 --> 00:51:40,375 - I mean, a healthy decision for you. 1100 00:51:42,583 --> 00:51:45,083 I think deferring the decision is not healthy for you. 1101 00:51:45,167 --> 00:51:46,625 I think saving it for other people is not healthy. 1102 00:51:46,708 --> 00:51:48,625 - I got rid of the microwave immediately. 1103 00:51:48,708 --> 00:51:49,833 - Yes, you did. 1104 00:51:49,875 --> 00:51:53,125 - Okay. And I've also thrown out a couple boxes. 1105 00:51:53,208 --> 00:51:54,458 - Yes, you did. 1106 00:51:54,542 --> 00:51:56,083 And now we're talking about these knives. 1107 00:51:56,208 --> 00:52:00,958 - Yes. So I wanna set them aside and... 1108 00:52:01,042 --> 00:52:03,000 - Bruce is a very clever guy. 1109 00:52:03,125 --> 00:52:05,875 He's very skilled verbally. 1110 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,125 He's good at debating and arguing. 1111 00:52:08,208 --> 00:52:09,500 The problem, of course, 1112 00:52:09,625 --> 00:52:11,500 is that even if he wins the argument and the debate, 1113 00:52:11,583 --> 00:52:12,542 he really loses. 1114 00:52:12,667 --> 00:52:14,667 That's the piece that I need him to see. 1115 00:52:16,208 --> 00:52:18,792 I see you making a very unhealthy choice here. 1116 00:52:18,875 --> 00:52:21,333 And I think it is the same kind of unhealthy choice 1117 00:52:21,458 --> 00:52:23,708 that you've been making for a very long time 1118 00:52:23,792 --> 00:52:26,792 that has contributed to the buildup of clutter in the home. 1119 00:52:26,875 --> 00:52:29,208 I'd be remiss if I didn't tell you that I think 1120 00:52:29,333 --> 00:52:31,958 it's very unhealthy and risky for you to do this. 1121 00:52:32,042 --> 00:52:35,792 - Okay. You've told me and I accept the responsibility. 1122 00:52:37,042 --> 00:52:38,792 Are we gonna be here for another half an hour 1123 00:52:38,875 --> 00:52:40,042 on these box of knives, 1124 00:52:40,167 --> 00:52:41,625 or are we gonna get this cleared out? 1125 00:52:41,708 --> 00:52:43,167 - We might. Remember that part of what 1126 00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:44,667 we're here to do is clean out a house. 1127 00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:47,042 But also part of what we're here to do is teach you 1128 00:52:47,125 --> 00:52:48,625 how to make good choices for yourself. 1129 00:52:48,708 --> 00:52:49,750 - I know. In the future, 1130 00:52:49,875 --> 00:52:52,417 I won't be going out and buying any more knives, 1131 00:52:52,417 --> 00:52:55,292 but I have these, in hand. 1132 00:52:55,375 --> 00:52:57,708 - You just said that you're not gonna be willing 1133 00:52:57,792 --> 00:52:59,042 to get rid of 'em. 1134 00:52:59,125 --> 00:53:01,083 Is that what's gonna happen for all of this? 1135 00:53:01,167 --> 00:53:02,583 Is it gonna continue? 1136 00:53:02,708 --> 00:53:06,000 - Like the microwave I just gave away, I throw away. 1137 00:53:06,042 --> 00:53:07,500 - I know that you feel like it's success 1138 00:53:07,583 --> 00:53:09,333 because you got rid of one thing, 1139 00:53:09,417 --> 00:53:12,333 but you still have a backyard that's full of stuff. 1140 00:53:12,417 --> 00:53:15,167 And if you're gonna continue to keep things, 1141 00:53:15,250 --> 00:53:17,583 we're not gonna get the house cleaned out. 1142 00:53:17,667 --> 00:53:19,083 You're not gonna live in a safe home. 1143 00:53:19,167 --> 00:53:20,708 (tense music) 1144 00:53:46,125 --> 00:53:48,333 (intense music) 1145 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,250 - Hey, how you guys doing? 1146 00:53:55,333 --> 00:53:56,333 How's it going out here? 1147 00:53:56,375 --> 00:53:58,833 - She is doing so great. - Yeah? 1148 00:53:58,917 --> 00:54:00,125 - And she's even stepped it up. 1149 00:54:00,208 --> 00:54:02,083 Dr. Tolin checked in with us a little bit ago 1150 00:54:02,167 --> 00:54:04,083 and she was doing amazing, about 50%. 1151 00:54:04,167 --> 00:54:05,875 And now she's about 75%. 1152 00:54:05,875 --> 00:54:07,333 - Wow! - 75%! 1153 00:54:07,417 --> 00:54:09,458 - Out the door. - [Dr. Tolin] Really good Cathy. 1154 00:54:09,542 --> 00:54:13,083 - Cathy that's really good, really good. 1155 00:54:13,208 --> 00:54:15,333 I'm really excited to hear that. 1156 00:54:15,375 --> 00:54:18,500 All right Cathy, what do you think about allowing 1157 00:54:18,583 --> 00:54:21,375 Jeff and Beth to make some decisions on your behalf? 1158 00:54:21,458 --> 00:54:24,417 They've been watching what you're keeping 1159 00:54:24,500 --> 00:54:26,375 and what you're letting go of. 1160 00:54:26,375 --> 00:54:28,417 And if they have a question they can ask you. 1161 00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:33,500 But would you be willing to give over some control 1162 00:54:33,542 --> 00:54:36,292 so that they can make some decisions on your behalf? 1163 00:54:36,375 --> 00:54:38,042 - For the clothes? - Mm-hmm. 1164 00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:40,750 Are you sure? - All right. 1165 00:54:40,833 --> 00:54:43,167 - That's great, Cathy, and I know that's uncomfortable, 1166 00:54:43,250 --> 00:54:45,042 but kind of like we were talking about before, 1167 00:54:45,125 --> 00:54:46,667 uncomfortable is probably good. 1168 00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:49,333 So the more you can kind of lean into that, 1169 00:54:49,458 --> 00:54:50,958 put up with a little bit of discomfort, 1170 00:54:51,042 --> 00:54:53,042 I think the better shape you're gonna be in in the long run. 1171 00:54:53,167 --> 00:54:54,417 So this is great. 1172 00:54:55,833 --> 00:54:57,958 (upbeat guitar music) 1173 00:55:01,625 --> 00:55:04,000 - Can get trashed as food? - Food? 1174 00:55:04,125 --> 00:55:07,500 That wok, this cardboard box. 1175 00:55:07,583 --> 00:55:09,500 These plastic containers. 1176 00:55:09,542 --> 00:55:11,375 - He said this is for you. - If you want it. 1177 00:55:11,458 --> 00:55:12,583 - If you want it. 1178 00:55:12,667 --> 00:55:14,250 - If you don't, I don't want to toss it. 1179 00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:16,125 - I want it so I can toss it. 1180 00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:18,333 - I'll keep it, then. (Laz laughing) 1181 00:55:18,375 --> 00:55:21,542 - The plastic bags? - Throw 'em out. 1182 00:55:21,625 --> 00:55:23,083 - What about the rest of it? 1183 00:55:23,208 --> 00:55:27,000 - I'd like to keep the bin, but throw out everything else. 1184 00:55:31,875 --> 00:55:33,000 Okay. That's my tools. 1185 00:55:33,083 --> 00:55:34,208 - Looks like it's tools. - Keep. 1186 00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:35,708 - Keep? Okay. 1187 00:55:35,708 --> 00:55:38,000 (upbeat music) 1188 00:55:38,083 --> 00:55:40,583 - This is cherry wood, I think. 1189 00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:44,292 But let's go ahead and dump 'em. 1190 00:55:44,375 --> 00:55:45,500 - [Carolina] Prepared to let 'em go? 1191 00:55:45,583 --> 00:55:48,625 - [Bruce] Ooh. Well, I don't have room for 'em. 1192 00:55:48,708 --> 00:55:50,125 - [Carolina] What did you just say? 1193 00:55:50,208 --> 00:55:53,042 You don't have room for them? - I don't have room for 'em. 1194 00:55:53,125 --> 00:55:55,125 - That's a good choice. 1195 00:55:55,208 --> 00:55:56,708 Bruce, that's a good choice. 1196 00:55:58,208 --> 00:55:59,792 - How's everything going here? 1197 00:55:59,875 --> 00:56:02,500 - Good. We've cleared the path so that the fridge can come out. 1198 00:56:02,625 --> 00:56:04,375 - I can see you've made a lot of progress here. 1199 00:56:04,458 --> 00:56:06,833 - I know, from the left and the right side here. 1200 00:56:06,917 --> 00:56:10,500 So I would say he's doing better than yesterday. 1201 00:56:10,625 --> 00:56:11,958 - Okay. What does that mean? 1202 00:56:12,083 --> 00:56:14,625 - He's getting rid of a higher percentage, which is good. 1203 00:56:14,708 --> 00:56:16,375 - Good. - Not everything, though. 1204 00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:17,833 - Not everything. I hear it. 1205 00:56:17,875 --> 00:56:20,333 I hear it, but more, and that's good. 1206 00:56:20,417 --> 00:56:22,250 - It's more, it's increasing, which is good. 1207 00:56:22,375 --> 00:56:24,000 I'm like, really glad about that. 1208 00:56:24,083 --> 00:56:26,375 And I will say there was a couple of things 1209 00:56:26,375 --> 00:56:29,417 that it was hard. 1210 00:56:29,500 --> 00:56:31,917 He was uncomfortable, but he still let it go. 1211 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,333 - Wow! So Bruce, that's really impressive. 1212 00:56:34,417 --> 00:56:35,458 - It was huge. 1213 00:56:35,542 --> 00:56:36,667 - Because the ability to do things 1214 00:56:36,750 --> 00:56:38,958 that are uncomfortable is really important. 1215 00:56:39,042 --> 00:56:41,458 - Yeah. And I think our next step from here 1216 00:56:41,542 --> 00:56:43,333 is to go out front, like we talked about, 1217 00:56:43,375 --> 00:56:45,958 and have Bruce and Cathy come together 1218 00:56:46,042 --> 00:56:48,458 and work on some of the stuff that came out of the house. 1219 00:56:48,542 --> 00:56:50,125 - I think that sounds like a terrific idea. 1220 00:56:50,208 --> 00:56:51,208 - That sound good, Bruce? 1221 00:56:51,292 --> 00:56:52,417 What do you think? 1222 00:56:53,875 --> 00:56:56,083 - Prepared for trouble, aren't you? 1223 00:56:56,167 --> 00:56:57,500 (Dr. Tolin laughing) 1224 00:56:57,583 --> 00:57:00,000 - Hopefully not too much trouble. 1225 00:57:00,042 --> 00:57:02,417 (upbeat music) 1226 00:57:09,125 --> 00:57:11,833 - I would like to present two things to you. 1227 00:57:11,917 --> 00:57:16,833 First is an offer from an organization 1228 00:57:16,875 --> 00:57:18,583 that is willing to take this car. 1229 00:57:18,667 --> 00:57:20,792 And the second is, give you the money 1230 00:57:20,875 --> 00:57:22,583 that you got from the morning scrap. 1231 00:57:22,708 --> 00:57:25,125 You filled up the trailer this morning 1232 00:57:25,208 --> 00:57:27,333 and they have some cash for you. 1233 00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:28,583 So I'd like to present that to you. 1234 00:57:28,708 --> 00:57:30,250 - Okay. - Okay? 1235 00:57:30,333 --> 00:57:33,667 So Brennan went to the scrapyard and- 1236 00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:37,958 - We collected right around $80 for you, sir. 1237 00:57:38,042 --> 00:57:40,708 And some change just on that one side. 1238 00:57:40,792 --> 00:57:43,667 We haven't even cleared that other side yet in scrap metal. 1239 00:57:43,708 --> 00:57:45,292 - All right. So you got some cash in your pocket, 1240 00:57:45,375 --> 00:57:46,958 I'd like to add to that. 1241 00:57:47,042 --> 00:57:49,333 They're offering $240 for the car. 1242 00:57:49,417 --> 00:57:51,208 They will not charge to come and haul it away. 1243 00:57:51,292 --> 00:57:54,458 It's $240 to take it and they will give you cash in hand. 1244 00:57:55,500 --> 00:57:58,667 - Right now, I'm just not ready to part with it. 1245 00:57:58,750 --> 00:58:00,042 - And why is that? 1246 00:58:00,125 --> 00:58:01,792 - Well, first of all, I also have the idea 1247 00:58:01,875 --> 00:58:05,042 that I may end up having fixed it up. 1248 00:58:05,042 --> 00:58:06,958 - So you wanna get it fixed up to use it? 1249 00:58:06,958 --> 00:58:09,375 - Well, I may end up fixing it up. 1250 00:58:09,458 --> 00:58:13,292 $1,500, $1,900 for the transmission. 1251 00:58:13,375 --> 00:58:14,625 - Do you have $1,900 to fix it? 1252 00:58:14,708 --> 00:58:15,833 - Oh, yeah. - You do? Okay. 1253 00:58:15,875 --> 00:58:17,833 So you can afford that? - Oh, yeah. 1254 00:58:17,917 --> 00:58:19,833 I could probably afford to buy a new one, 1255 00:58:19,875 --> 00:58:21,792 but this is my dad's last vehicle. 1256 00:58:21,875 --> 00:58:24,167 - Well, I understand there's some sentimental value to it. 1257 00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:26,917 - [Bruce] Well, and it drove beautifully. 1258 00:58:27,958 --> 00:58:30,750 - Drove, past tense? - Oh, yes. 1259 00:58:30,833 --> 00:58:32,333 - So you're not prepared to let it go? 1260 00:58:32,417 --> 00:58:34,250 - No. I'm not prepared to let it go. 1261 00:58:34,375 --> 00:58:35,667 - Okay. 1262 00:58:35,792 --> 00:58:39,458 Bruce did not accept the offer of the car for the $240. 1263 00:58:39,542 --> 00:58:42,208 He felt he wanted to keep it because I think 1264 00:58:42,208 --> 00:58:44,000 he's still attached to it because it was his father's. 1265 00:58:44,125 --> 00:58:46,708 He even said he was willing to spend $1,900 1266 00:58:46,833 --> 00:58:49,167 to replace the transmission on it. 1267 00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:51,583 I don't understand that logic. 1268 00:58:51,667 --> 00:58:53,917 (tense music) 1269 00:58:56,042 --> 00:58:58,708 - We need another donation box! - Yep. 1270 00:59:12,625 --> 00:59:14,708 - Will you be decorating any cakes? 1271 00:59:14,792 --> 00:59:16,333 - No. Donate. - Donate. 1272 00:59:16,375 --> 00:59:18,375 All right, here we go. We got this one right here. 1273 00:59:18,375 --> 00:59:19,417 What is that? 1274 00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:21,500 - That's to make ice. - Ice maker? 1275 00:59:21,542 --> 00:59:23,250 - I wanna keep that. - You wanna keep that? 1276 00:59:23,333 --> 00:59:24,375 Okay. That's fine. 1277 00:59:24,458 --> 00:59:26,458 Can we take it for scrap? 1278 00:59:26,542 --> 00:59:28,875 - I'd like to keep it this one. - And what about the rest? 1279 00:59:28,958 --> 00:59:30,292 The rest can be scraped? - Yes. 1280 00:59:30,375 --> 00:59:33,875 - All right. That's good. 1281 00:59:33,958 --> 00:59:37,333 All right. How about this? Bless this house. 1282 00:59:37,375 --> 00:59:39,000 What would you like to do? 1283 00:59:39,083 --> 00:59:41,500 Your face is telling me to let it go. 1284 00:59:41,583 --> 00:59:43,667 I see your face, I feel like you're saying, "Let it go!" 1285 00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:44,708 - No, let's keep it. 1286 00:59:44,792 --> 00:59:46,083 - So you wanna hold onto it? 1287 00:59:46,208 --> 00:59:48,708 All right. This is the last thing of this sack. 1288 00:59:48,708 --> 00:59:51,000 - Yes, keep those. - You wanna keep these? Okay. 1289 00:59:52,625 --> 00:59:54,208 All right. 1290 00:59:54,333 --> 00:59:56,583 How you guys feel like you did? 1291 00:59:56,583 --> 00:59:58,708 - I think with the progress we're doing now, 1292 00:59:58,792 --> 01:00:00,583 it'll be the house we want. 1293 01:00:00,667 --> 01:00:01,917 - You think so? - Yeah. 1294 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,000 - I'm satisfied with the progress so far. 1295 01:00:05,042 --> 01:00:06,958 - Well, I'm pleased to see that Bruce and Cathy 1296 01:00:07,042 --> 01:00:09,167 actually feel pretty good about the progress. 1297 01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:12,333 Now, I am still noticing that Bruce is making 1298 01:00:12,417 --> 01:00:13,833 an awful lot of the decisions 1299 01:00:13,958 --> 01:00:16,250 and Cathy is just so afraid to upset Bruce 1300 01:00:16,333 --> 01:00:18,000 that she's going along with it. 1301 01:00:18,042 --> 01:00:21,917 And I'm gonna encourage Cathy to find her voice tomorrow. 1302 01:00:44,792 --> 01:00:46,708 - Good morning, everyone. - [All] Good morning. 1303 01:00:46,792 --> 01:00:48,417 - Morning, morning. It's great to see everybody. 1304 01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:50,792 I see a lot of smiling faces, that's a good thing. 1305 01:00:50,875 --> 01:00:52,958 - Still. - Yeah, good. 1306 01:00:53,042 --> 01:00:56,000 So we got our work cut out for us today. 1307 01:00:56,042 --> 01:00:58,292 You see the mounds behind me, right? 1308 01:00:58,375 --> 01:00:59,917 You see 'em? 1309 01:00:59,917 --> 01:01:02,667 This is as far as we got yesterday, 1310 01:01:02,792 --> 01:01:05,167 about eight feet into the house. 1311 01:01:05,208 --> 01:01:06,417 That was it. 1312 01:01:06,500 --> 01:01:08,333 If you two are still okay with it, 1313 01:01:08,417 --> 01:01:11,000 I would love to continue to divide and conquer. 1314 01:01:11,042 --> 01:01:12,833 Are you both comfortable with that, 1315 01:01:12,917 --> 01:01:15,083 letting your family make some decisions on your behalf? 1316 01:01:15,167 --> 01:01:17,042 - Yes. - You're okay? Yes, good? 1317 01:01:17,125 --> 01:01:19,083 How about you, Cathy? - Okay. 1318 01:01:20,333 --> 01:01:22,833 - Easy, hard? Good, bad? 1319 01:01:22,917 --> 01:01:25,833 - Still not easy, but yeah, its all right. 1320 01:01:25,917 --> 01:01:28,375 - We never said this process would be easy, 1321 01:01:28,375 --> 01:01:30,000 right, Bruce and Cathy? Okay. 1322 01:01:30,042 --> 01:01:33,042 And you got so much love behind you, encouraging you. 1323 01:01:33,042 --> 01:01:34,708 And we care about you too. 1324 01:01:34,833 --> 01:01:36,708 That's why we're here too, okay? 1325 01:01:36,792 --> 01:01:38,625 So we're gonna split everybody up 1326 01:01:38,708 --> 01:01:40,000 so everybody can be making decisions. 1327 01:01:40,083 --> 01:01:42,000 So five of you are making decisions, 1328 01:01:42,083 --> 01:01:44,042 it's gonna go so much quicker. 1329 01:01:44,125 --> 01:01:45,750 All right. You guys ready to do this? 1330 01:01:45,833 --> 01:01:49,583 - [All] Yes. Let's go. - Let's do it. 1331 01:01:49,667 --> 01:01:51,875 (upbeat pensive music) 1332 01:01:57,417 --> 01:01:59,875 - If it's empty, trash. 1333 01:02:21,833 --> 01:02:23,917 - So Cathy, I wonder if you have an opinion 1334 01:02:23,917 --> 01:02:25,417 about these walkie-talkies? 1335 01:02:26,792 --> 01:02:28,292 - Well, he said he has to check 'em out 1336 01:02:28,375 --> 01:02:31,208 'cause they don't have any batteries in 'em. 1337 01:02:31,375 --> 01:02:32,333 - Okay. 1338 01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:35,333 - And he's not going to be able to keep 'em all. 1339 01:02:35,375 --> 01:02:37,917 - What do you think he should do? 1340 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,542 Remember what you want, right? 1341 01:02:39,625 --> 01:02:41,000 Remember what you're trying to do. 1342 01:02:41,167 --> 01:02:44,833 - At least one pair will work, he'd probably keep one set. 1343 01:02:44,875 --> 01:02:46,958 - So you're saying you should keep one set, 1344 01:02:47,042 --> 01:02:49,000 figuring out which set works? - Right. 1345 01:02:49,125 --> 01:02:50,667 - And then do what with the other two? 1346 01:02:50,708 --> 01:02:52,583 - We could donate them. 1347 01:02:52,667 --> 01:02:54,667 - Bruce, what do you think about that? 1348 01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:57,792 - I wouldn't mind having two. 1349 01:02:57,875 --> 01:03:00,500 Possibly, these won't work, but they may work 1350 01:03:00,667 --> 01:03:03,208 just 'cause the battery is exposed. 1351 01:03:04,875 --> 01:03:06,625 - Cathy, I think you said a wonderful thing, 1352 01:03:06,708 --> 01:03:09,333 which is I think I heard you to say Bruce, 1353 01:03:09,417 --> 01:03:11,000 well, maybe I didn't quite hear you say it, 1354 01:03:11,042 --> 01:03:12,500 but maybe you could say it to Bruce. 1355 01:03:12,583 --> 01:03:16,083 "Bruce, I think you need one set of walkie-talkies." 1356 01:03:16,208 --> 01:03:18,583 Is that the opinion? - Yes. 1357 01:03:18,667 --> 01:03:20,208 - Can I hear it? 1358 01:03:20,333 --> 01:03:23,125 - Bruce, I'd like to have one set of walkie-talkies. 1359 01:03:23,208 --> 01:03:25,167 - [Dr. Tolin] Bruce, what do you think? 1360 01:03:25,208 --> 01:03:27,833 - I think I'd rather have two sets. 1361 01:03:27,917 --> 01:03:29,417 - [Dr. Tolin] I wonder, could you be influenced 1362 01:03:29,542 --> 01:03:30,667 by your wife on this? 1363 01:03:30,708 --> 01:03:31,958 - Not very much. 1364 01:03:33,250 --> 01:03:35,125 - I was able to get Cathy to say, 1365 01:03:35,208 --> 01:03:37,583 "I think one set of walkie-talkies would be fine." 1366 01:03:37,667 --> 01:03:39,625 And then Bruce said, "I want two." 1367 01:03:40,917 --> 01:03:42,458 And maybe that's just the compromise 1368 01:03:42,542 --> 01:03:43,958 we have to land at now. 1369 01:03:44,042 --> 01:03:47,167 I'm just glad that I could get Cathy to say anything 1370 01:03:47,250 --> 01:03:49,542 other than, "Whatever makes you happy, Bruce." 1371 01:03:49,667 --> 01:03:50,833 Cathy, this is good. 1372 01:03:50,917 --> 01:03:52,125 I'm glad you're talking to Bruce. 1373 01:03:52,208 --> 01:03:54,000 I'm glad you're sharing your opinion. 1374 01:03:54,042 --> 01:03:55,750 Was it a little scary to do that? 1375 01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:57,917 - Yes. - What scared you about it? 1376 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,000 - Because I figured he'd want all three of 'em. 1377 01:04:00,042 --> 01:04:01,958 - Yeah, he may, but you know what? 1378 01:04:02,042 --> 01:04:03,958 It's okay for you to have an opinion here too. 1379 01:04:04,042 --> 01:04:07,000 And Bruce, thank you for listening to Cathy too. 1380 01:04:07,125 --> 01:04:08,417 At the end of that exercise, 1381 01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:11,750 Bruce hung on to all three sets of walkie-talkies 1382 01:04:11,833 --> 01:04:15,125 with the idea that he's going to test each 1383 01:04:15,208 --> 01:04:17,333 and every one of them to see which ones work. 1384 01:04:17,417 --> 01:04:20,458 Now, do I believe he's really gonna do that? 1385 01:04:20,542 --> 01:04:21,542 Not really. 1386 01:04:22,875 --> 01:04:25,167 (tense music) 1387 01:04:48,917 --> 01:04:50,542 - Hey, Dr. Tolin. 1388 01:04:50,667 --> 01:04:52,875 - Just wanted to see kind of how things are going 1389 01:04:52,958 --> 01:04:54,333 and what's been happening. 1390 01:04:54,417 --> 01:04:57,083 - Well, Laz just ain't following my instructions 1391 01:04:57,208 --> 01:05:00,792 when he's throwing away tools and tool supplies. 1392 01:05:00,875 --> 01:05:01,833 - Well, drills and screws 1393 01:05:01,958 --> 01:05:04,542 I would call accessories or parts. 1394 01:05:04,625 --> 01:05:06,667 - These, you can have a picture, 1395 01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:08,542 but you can't hang them up, Lazarus. 1396 01:05:08,625 --> 01:05:12,542 - You have a hundred million more hooks, nails, screws. 1397 01:05:12,667 --> 01:05:14,208 You know, we've talked about it a couple times, 1398 01:05:14,375 --> 01:05:15,833 you know, and he seems to be in denial 1399 01:05:15,917 --> 01:05:18,000 about how many of each thing he has. 1400 01:05:18,083 --> 01:05:18,833 - [Bruce] You don't know. 1401 01:05:18,875 --> 01:05:20,333 You didn't listen to me 1402 01:05:20,375 --> 01:05:22,208 and you threw those things in the scrap. 1403 01:05:22,292 --> 01:05:24,000 - You're not listening to the- 1404 01:05:24,083 --> 01:05:25,875 - Well, you weren't listening to me 1405 01:05:25,958 --> 01:05:27,500 telling you instructions. 1406 01:05:28,792 --> 01:05:30,750 - He told me not to throw away tools. 1407 01:05:30,833 --> 01:05:34,417 So I threw away a little tiny screw 1408 01:05:34,500 --> 01:05:37,083 that he got for $1.50 at a thrift store. 1409 01:05:37,208 --> 01:05:39,042 And he got mad at me for that. 1410 01:05:39,125 --> 01:05:40,083 - Can we be clear though? 1411 01:05:40,167 --> 01:05:41,708 He wasn't throwing away tools, 1412 01:05:41,833 --> 01:05:43,292 he's throwing away hardware. 1413 01:05:43,375 --> 01:05:46,542 - Stuff like that is considered to be a tool. 1414 01:05:46,625 --> 01:05:49,500 So I know technically what I'm talking about. 1415 01:05:50,792 --> 01:05:52,083 I guess, you know, generically 1416 01:05:52,167 --> 01:05:53,875 what you think you're talking about, 1417 01:05:53,958 --> 01:05:56,833 but I know from a tool standpoint. 1418 01:05:56,917 --> 01:05:59,083 - Again that we keep getting into semantics 1419 01:05:59,167 --> 01:06:01,000 and losing the big picture. 1420 01:06:01,042 --> 01:06:03,083 - The big picture is this is a tool. 1421 01:06:04,042 --> 01:06:05,542 Anything that makes your life easier 1422 01:06:05,625 --> 01:06:08,208 or performs a function. - Then you have too many tools, 1423 01:06:08,333 --> 01:06:12,208 too many hardware, too many parts, too many accessories. 1424 01:06:13,375 --> 01:06:14,417 You know we're running out of time. 1425 01:06:14,542 --> 01:06:16,250 - Yeah, we're running out of time now 1426 01:06:16,333 --> 01:06:18,000 because of what you're doing. 1427 01:06:18,083 --> 01:06:19,208 - [Dr. Tolin] Well, let me just- 1428 01:06:19,333 --> 01:06:20,875 - That's making things go a lot quicker. 1429 01:06:20,958 --> 01:06:22,167 It's because of you- - No, it's not. 1430 01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:23,542 - We haven't gotten anything done. 1431 01:06:23,625 --> 01:06:24,750 - Well, hold on, hold on. 1432 01:06:24,875 --> 01:06:27,167 Let me jump in because I'm hearing Laz, 1433 01:06:27,250 --> 01:06:29,042 but I'm also hearing you saying that you know, 1434 01:06:29,125 --> 01:06:31,167 are concerned that you're gonna have to do without, 1435 01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:32,667 and that you will be without these things. 1436 01:06:32,708 --> 01:06:35,208 - And I'm also concerned he's not following instructions. 1437 01:06:35,292 --> 01:06:36,417 - Well, I hear it. 1438 01:06:36,542 --> 01:06:40,167 - And to me, it's like lying to me. 1439 01:06:40,208 --> 01:06:43,417 - Well, I hear that both of you are frustrated and angry. 1440 01:06:43,542 --> 01:06:45,333 And I also just want to point out that I think 1441 01:06:45,458 --> 01:06:47,000 behind that anger for both of you, 1442 01:06:47,083 --> 01:06:48,417 I don't know if you know this yet, 1443 01:06:48,542 --> 01:06:51,417 but I kind of suspect what's behind this is fear. 1444 01:06:52,375 --> 01:06:54,500 Laz, you're afraid for your parents. 1445 01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:56,833 You're afraid that they're gonna keep living this way 1446 01:06:56,958 --> 01:06:58,292 and not get better. 1447 01:06:58,375 --> 01:07:01,083 And Bruce, you're afraid of being without. 1448 01:07:01,208 --> 01:07:03,167 Those are powerful fears. 1449 01:07:03,292 --> 01:07:05,917 And those two fears are coming head to head right now. 1450 01:07:06,042 --> 01:07:07,417 - Take pride in my possessions. 1451 01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:11,083 I've earned the money to buy them, buy what I want. 1452 01:07:11,167 --> 01:07:13,208 Yeah. Yeah. - Okay? 1453 01:07:13,292 --> 01:07:15,333 And I like to take care of it. 1454 01:07:16,375 --> 01:07:21,333 - This situation is so above 1455 01:07:21,458 --> 01:07:24,333 what should be acceptable. 1456 01:07:24,417 --> 01:07:26,458 And I don't understand how you don't see that. 1457 01:07:26,542 --> 01:07:29,417 - I'm cleaning up the house slowly, Lazarus. 1458 01:07:29,542 --> 01:07:31,000 - Too slowly. 1459 01:07:31,125 --> 01:07:32,208 - According to you. 1460 01:07:32,292 --> 01:07:33,583 - According to everybody here. 1461 01:07:33,667 --> 01:07:36,458 When it comes to this issue, you have a problem. 1462 01:07:37,708 --> 01:07:40,500 - [Bruce] Which I've been working out slowly. 1463 01:07:40,583 --> 01:07:42,958 - Can you see that your son is trembling? 1464 01:07:43,042 --> 01:07:44,375 'Cause I see it. Do you see that? 1465 01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:46,042 Look at him. 1466 01:07:46,125 --> 01:07:47,500 Can you see him trembling? 1467 01:07:48,542 --> 01:07:50,208 - Not really. - I do. I see it. 1468 01:07:50,292 --> 01:07:52,083 Carolina, you see it? - See it. 1469 01:07:53,167 --> 01:07:55,083 - [Laz] I'm mad that he doesn't see 1470 01:07:55,167 --> 01:07:58,625 how crazy unhealthy this is. 1471 01:07:58,708 --> 01:08:01,375 - Yeah, you're mad and I think you're scared. 1472 01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:02,875 You're scared for what's gonna happen 1473 01:08:02,958 --> 01:08:04,500 to the people you love. 1474 01:08:04,583 --> 01:08:07,667 - We don't care about your stuff, we care about you. 1475 01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:09,833 We don't want you to die. 1476 01:08:09,875 --> 01:08:11,667 (tense music) 1477 01:08:40,375 --> 01:08:42,500 - Something accidentally gets thrown away or wasted, 1478 01:08:42,542 --> 01:08:45,917 it's not life or death because you have time. 1479 01:08:45,917 --> 01:08:47,417 And it's really easy to find it. 1480 01:08:47,500 --> 01:08:50,250 - I have to take money out and I'll have to take time out, 1481 01:08:50,375 --> 01:08:53,750 go find it, if I can't find it at the time 1482 01:08:53,833 --> 01:08:57,375 and pay, take three, five days to have it shipped in. 1483 01:08:57,500 --> 01:08:59,458 And in the meantime, something doesn't get done. 1484 01:08:59,542 --> 01:09:02,333 - Well, right now you already spend hours upon hours 1485 01:09:02,375 --> 01:09:04,417 looking for things that you can't find 1486 01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:06,167 or you never get to the project in the first place 1487 01:09:06,250 --> 01:09:07,500 because it's so- 1488 01:09:07,542 --> 01:09:09,333 - Well, because your mother had the garage 1489 01:09:09,417 --> 01:09:11,125 locked up from me, I couldn't even get into garage. 1490 01:09:11,208 --> 01:09:15,125 - You know, you keep throwing a lot of shade at mom, dad. 1491 01:09:15,125 --> 01:09:16,583 You keep blaming mom a lot for things. 1492 01:09:16,667 --> 01:09:19,042 - Well, she has had the garage locked up 1493 01:09:19,125 --> 01:09:21,042 for the last 10 years. 1494 01:09:21,125 --> 01:09:25,042 I have to get special permission from her to get it open 1495 01:09:25,167 --> 01:09:26,792 and then she gets mad. 1496 01:09:26,875 --> 01:09:31,542 - I do think you need to accept some of this as your doing too. 1497 01:09:31,667 --> 01:09:33,667 Some of these issues are your doing too. 1498 01:09:33,750 --> 01:09:34,708 - Which issues? 1499 01:09:36,375 --> 01:09:37,958 - The whole reason we're all here. 1500 01:09:39,875 --> 01:09:41,417 - Could I make a suggestion? 1501 01:09:41,500 --> 01:09:44,417 I think we're probably not gonna resolve this right now, 1502 01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:46,083 but I'm glad that both of you at least 1503 01:09:46,208 --> 01:09:47,500 got your opinions out on the table. 1504 01:09:47,542 --> 01:09:48,958 I understand that you don't agree, 1505 01:09:49,042 --> 01:09:52,417 but if I might just make a suggestion for going forward. 1506 01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:55,208 Sounds like Bruce, you'd be much happier 1507 01:09:55,208 --> 01:09:59,208 if Laz would at least set hardware aside. 1508 01:09:59,292 --> 01:10:01,583 Also, Bruce, I get a sense that Laz would like it 1509 01:10:01,667 --> 01:10:04,167 if you would hear what he's saying and try to absorb it. 1510 01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:05,500 You know, I think he said 1511 01:10:05,542 --> 01:10:06,875 some really powerful messages here. 1512 01:10:07,042 --> 01:10:10,000 Not the least of which, by the way, is that he loves you. 1513 01:10:10,083 --> 01:10:12,292 And I hope that you hear that too. 1514 01:10:12,375 --> 01:10:15,375 - I tried not to press too hard the first day or two, 1515 01:10:15,458 --> 01:10:17,542 but I thought with a little patience, 1516 01:10:17,625 --> 01:10:22,875 my dad would open up and start making quicker decisions 1517 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,667 and come to a realization that he has an issue. 1518 01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:29,375 But it just hasn't happened and it just, 1519 01:10:29,375 --> 01:10:35,125 it really showed how much he prioritizes stuff 1520 01:10:35,208 --> 01:10:37,000 over everything else. 1521 01:10:37,083 --> 01:10:39,375 (pensive music) 1522 01:10:51,042 --> 01:10:52,500 - [Laz] You have more tarps, 1523 01:10:52,583 --> 01:10:55,917 yet he wanted to save the crappy first ones we found. 1524 01:10:59,375 --> 01:11:01,542 - Looks like hospital, okay. - No. 1525 01:11:04,333 --> 01:11:06,875 - So you want this one? - Yes. And that one too. 1526 01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,167 - [Beth] You can't have a clean house, Bruce, 1527 01:11:09,292 --> 01:11:10,542 if you're not letting go. 1528 01:11:11,958 --> 01:11:13,958 (tense music) 1529 01:11:25,375 --> 01:11:28,750 - Bruce, I wanted you to see this. 1530 01:11:28,750 --> 01:11:31,625 Laz, where did all this come from? 1531 01:11:31,708 --> 01:11:34,083 - 90% of this, except for the shovels, 1532 01:11:34,167 --> 01:11:35,500 came from right by that door. 1533 01:11:35,625 --> 01:11:37,583 - So that's all from right by the door? 1534 01:11:37,583 --> 01:11:39,292 Okay, so that's not even covering 1535 01:11:39,375 --> 01:11:41,583 what else is in the house. 1536 01:11:41,583 --> 01:11:44,000 Would it be okay if we took a peek in there too? 1537 01:11:44,042 --> 01:11:45,250 - Sure. - Okay. 1538 01:11:45,333 --> 01:11:47,542 (tense music) 1539 01:11:51,375 --> 01:11:55,208 Okay, rather than pull things out, Laz, 1540 01:11:55,292 --> 01:11:56,208 let's just look at it. 1541 01:11:56,333 --> 01:11:57,333 I think we can see it. 1542 01:11:57,417 --> 01:11:58,958 - Another weed eater. - We got it. 1543 01:11:59,042 --> 01:12:01,500 - Another weed eater. - Okay. 1544 01:12:01,667 --> 01:12:03,583 - That, I think is another weed eater. 1545 01:12:03,708 --> 01:12:05,500 At least eight, nine weed eaters right there, 1546 01:12:05,625 --> 01:12:07,667 two of which have not been opened. 1547 01:12:07,708 --> 01:12:10,333 - So Bruce, I think you have a saving problem. 1548 01:12:11,375 --> 01:12:12,875 Do you see it that way too? 1549 01:12:14,542 --> 01:12:17,042 - I don't understand what you mean. 1550 01:12:17,125 --> 01:12:18,708 - I think you're saving too much. 1551 01:12:18,708 --> 01:12:20,750 And I'm wondering if you agree with me. 1552 01:12:21,833 --> 01:12:24,500 - Are you saving money too much, or saving...? 1553 01:12:24,542 --> 01:12:26,083 - Bruce? - No, really. 1554 01:12:26,167 --> 01:12:29,958 - I think you know what I mean. - No, I just wanna be clear. 1555 01:12:30,042 --> 01:12:33,583 - Yeah, I think that you're saving too many tools 1556 01:12:34,583 --> 01:12:36,250 and I think that's become a problem for you. 1557 01:12:36,333 --> 01:12:38,292 And I'm wondering if you see it that way. 1558 01:12:38,375 --> 01:12:39,417 - No. 1559 01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:42,250 (tense music) 1560 01:12:42,333 --> 01:12:44,333 - [Beth] Bruce, you honestly don't think 1561 01:12:44,417 --> 01:12:46,000 you need all of those, do you? 1562 01:12:47,042 --> 01:12:50,333 - Battery life on those- - [Beth] Not the batteries. 1563 01:12:50,458 --> 01:12:52,000 - It's only one year. 1564 01:12:53,250 --> 01:12:57,417 If I get these things on sale at a super ridiculous price, 1565 01:12:57,500 --> 01:13:01,542 which is why I buy them at the time, 1566 01:13:01,667 --> 01:13:05,750 then it's worth the time and trouble to have them. 1567 01:13:05,833 --> 01:13:07,417 - [Jeff] Not when you don't have space. 1568 01:13:07,542 --> 01:13:09,333 - The only reason why these were here, 1569 01:13:09,458 --> 01:13:12,083 I didn't have access to the garage. 1570 01:13:13,458 --> 01:13:15,000 - And you still don't. - And you still don't, 1571 01:13:15,042 --> 01:13:17,458 and you're not gonna have it when we leave. 1572 01:13:17,542 --> 01:13:20,458 - Instead of making access to the garage, 1573 01:13:20,542 --> 01:13:22,917 you bought more, when probably the better solution 1574 01:13:23,042 --> 01:13:25,583 would've been to make room to the garage 1575 01:13:25,708 --> 01:13:27,417 and use the ones you already had. 1576 01:13:28,375 --> 01:13:30,333 - Cathy, my impression is that Bruce 1577 01:13:30,375 --> 01:13:32,667 is not going to listen to anybody but you. 1578 01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:35,208 He sure as heck isn't gonna listen to me. 1579 01:13:35,292 --> 01:13:36,333 He's not gonna listen to Laz, 1580 01:13:36,458 --> 01:13:37,833 he's not gonna listen to Carolina. 1581 01:13:37,875 --> 01:13:40,333 I don't think he's gonna listen to Jeff and Beth either. 1582 01:13:40,458 --> 01:13:42,208 Remember what I was saying before? 1583 01:13:42,375 --> 01:13:44,292 Sometimes when you love somebody, 1584 01:13:44,375 --> 01:13:46,250 you have to tell them to stop. 1585 01:13:46,333 --> 01:13:47,583 That's important. 1586 01:13:48,875 --> 01:13:51,333 This is self-destructive, I hope you can see that. 1587 01:13:52,375 --> 01:13:55,208 And I hope you can muster up the courage to tell Bruce 1588 01:13:55,333 --> 01:13:57,375 that he needs to stop this. 1589 01:13:57,458 --> 01:13:59,792 'Cause frankly, I think that's what Bruce needs 1590 01:14:00,875 --> 01:14:03,333 and I think that's how you express the love to him. 1591 01:14:03,375 --> 01:14:04,667 It's not by enabling him, 1592 01:14:04,792 --> 01:14:06,750 it's not by telling him this is all fine. 1593 01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:09,125 It's by telling him, 1594 01:14:09,208 --> 01:14:12,458 "Honey, I love you, but this needs to stop." 1595 01:14:12,542 --> 01:14:14,125 - I know y'all not gonna agree with me, 1596 01:14:14,208 --> 01:14:18,083 but I'm not gonna say anything about his tools. 1597 01:14:18,167 --> 01:14:20,542 - What is the reason for that? - I just can't. 1598 01:14:20,667 --> 01:14:25,083 Because it's just a part of him, that's Bruce. 1599 01:14:25,167 --> 01:14:27,042 - No, that's not Bruce. This is Bruce. 1600 01:14:27,125 --> 01:14:28,792 - What? - This is stuff. 1601 01:14:28,875 --> 01:14:30,792 - I'm not gonna tell him to stop. 1602 01:14:31,833 --> 01:14:35,667 - Cathy, let me kind of go back almost exactly a year ago 1603 01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:39,417 when Bruce was gravely ill and you called 1604 01:14:39,417 --> 01:14:41,542 the emergency people to come get him. 1605 01:14:41,625 --> 01:14:44,292 They could hardly get him out of the house. 1606 01:14:44,375 --> 01:14:48,667 And it's the combination of too many of the same things 1607 01:14:48,708 --> 01:14:51,583 in that house that had you, 1608 01:14:51,708 --> 01:14:53,333 I wish we had a tape recording of that, 1609 01:14:53,417 --> 01:14:55,333 so you could remember how you felt then 1610 01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:57,083 and how scared you were. 1611 01:14:57,167 --> 01:14:59,875 This is kind of a picture of what's going on 1612 01:14:59,958 --> 01:15:02,333 in all the other items in there. 1613 01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:04,667 We've talked about stuff now for three days 1614 01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:05,833 and everybody says, 1615 01:15:05,917 --> 01:15:07,500 "Okay, yeah, we don't care about the stuff, 1616 01:15:07,542 --> 01:15:09,125 we care about each other." 1617 01:15:09,250 --> 01:15:12,625 And yet the stuff is still here. 1618 01:15:12,625 --> 01:15:14,417 - Cathy, you love your husband? - Right. 1619 01:15:14,542 --> 01:15:16,333 - Very much, I assume? - Yes. 1620 01:15:16,417 --> 01:15:19,500 - You'd do anything to keep him healthy and safe, right? 1621 01:15:19,542 --> 01:15:20,875 - Right, right. 1622 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,792 - Then tell him what he doesn't want to hear. 1623 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,083 - I can't tell him that. I'm sorry. 1624 01:15:31,500 --> 01:15:33,000 - I know you feel kind of 1625 01:15:33,083 --> 01:15:36,042 a little timid right now and that's okay. 1626 01:15:36,125 --> 01:15:38,833 That's okay. I don't want to beat up on anybody. 1627 01:15:38,875 --> 01:15:40,333 I think the problem, Bruce, 1628 01:15:40,417 --> 01:15:44,500 is that Cathy is afraid to tell you what you need to hear. 1629 01:15:44,583 --> 01:15:46,333 So I guess I have to do it. 1630 01:15:46,458 --> 01:15:48,333 You got a serious hoarding problem 1631 01:15:48,458 --> 01:15:50,333 and you're not gonna live very long 1632 01:15:50,417 --> 01:15:51,958 if you keep up this behavior. 1633 01:15:56,167 --> 01:15:58,875 Well, this is a nice couple, they're nice people. 1634 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,250 My heart goes out to them, but they are so sick. 1635 01:16:03,917 --> 01:16:06,125 We have another day and I hope 1636 01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:09,708 that when I see them tomorrow, Bruce will be willing 1637 01:16:09,875 --> 01:16:12,500 to let go of some of the stuff that he really wants to keep. 1638 01:16:12,583 --> 01:16:14,375 And I hope that Cathy will be willing 1639 01:16:14,458 --> 01:16:17,583 to say some hard things to her husband. 1640 01:16:17,708 --> 01:16:19,500 We can't give up hope. 1641 01:16:19,625 --> 01:16:21,250 We'll just have to see what happens. 1642 01:17:02,958 --> 01:17:05,000 - Good morning, everyone. - [All] Good morning. 1643 01:17:05,083 --> 01:17:07,167 - It's great to see you all this morning. 1644 01:17:07,208 --> 01:17:11,708 So today's plan is to make sure we can clean out the kitchen 1645 01:17:11,708 --> 01:17:14,500 and make pathways in the rest of the house 1646 01:17:14,583 --> 01:17:16,000 'cause that's kind of where we're at. 1647 01:17:16,083 --> 01:17:18,917 I feel kind of disappointed 1648 01:17:19,042 --> 01:17:21,208 that we can't get this house cleaned out for you guys, 1649 01:17:21,292 --> 01:17:24,667 but you know, you guys have to take ownership. 1650 01:17:24,792 --> 01:17:26,250 You guys have to let go of more 1651 01:17:26,333 --> 01:17:29,208 and you're just not there yet. And that's okay. 1652 01:17:30,208 --> 01:17:32,542 - I wanna walk the fine line to recognize 1653 01:17:32,625 --> 01:17:34,458 that we're not gonna get a cleaned out house 1654 01:17:34,542 --> 01:17:35,875 during this period of time. 1655 01:17:35,958 --> 01:17:37,667 It's just not gonna happen. 1656 01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:39,417 But I also don't want us to give up hope. 1657 01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:43,042 I want us to also be able to capitalize on the momentum 1658 01:17:43,167 --> 01:17:45,875 that has started and recognize that this could be 1659 01:17:45,958 --> 01:17:49,208 just a long-term process that has to take place. 1660 01:17:49,292 --> 01:17:51,417 I think building insight and awareness 1661 01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:53,458 is an ongoing process that's gonna take some time. 1662 01:17:53,542 --> 01:17:56,583 And I don't pretend that I'm going to all of a sudden 1663 01:17:56,708 --> 01:17:58,167 make those things happen right now. 1664 01:17:58,208 --> 01:18:01,042 But my hope is that with additional time 1665 01:18:01,125 --> 01:18:03,333 and some additional work, that you'll get there. 1666 01:18:03,417 --> 01:18:04,833 - Right. - [Dr. Tolin] Okay. 1667 01:18:04,958 --> 01:18:09,250 - We have few hours left, let's make the best of it, right? 1668 01:18:09,333 --> 01:18:12,667 In the spirit of still letting go, let's get started today. 1669 01:18:12,750 --> 01:18:13,750 (laughing) 1670 01:18:13,833 --> 01:18:15,500 Come on, let's go. 1671 01:18:15,542 --> 01:18:18,000 (tense music) 1672 01:18:48,208 --> 01:18:50,292 (tense music) 1673 01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:12,042 - Oh. 1674 01:19:13,792 --> 01:19:15,917 - What do you think mom? - It looks good. 1675 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,625 - It's a little cleaner than it was. 1676 01:19:17,708 --> 01:19:19,583 - You think? (laughing) 1677 01:19:19,667 --> 01:19:21,917 (uplifting music) 1678 01:19:29,333 --> 01:19:30,958 - Come on in, let's all gather around. 1679 01:19:31,042 --> 01:19:32,792 We're gonna talk here. 1680 01:19:32,875 --> 01:19:34,500 So I'd be interested in hearing some reactions, 1681 01:19:34,625 --> 01:19:36,042 maybe starting with you, Cathy, 1682 01:19:36,125 --> 01:19:37,792 'cause it looks like you're having one. 1683 01:19:37,875 --> 01:19:39,917 - Yes. It looks fantastic. 1684 01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:45,750 - So, you like the way it looks. 1685 01:19:45,833 --> 01:19:48,250 - Yes, I do. - Okay, okay. 1686 01:19:48,333 --> 01:19:51,042 Bruce, how about you? What's your thought of this? 1687 01:19:51,125 --> 01:19:55,667 - It's good, it's nice to see my old entertainment center 1688 01:19:55,750 --> 01:19:57,583 for first time in 20 years. 1689 01:19:59,333 --> 01:20:01,458 Got a lot more light in here now. 1690 01:20:01,542 --> 01:20:03,167 (all laughing) 1691 01:20:03,208 --> 01:20:05,625 - Let me hear from Laz and Jeff and Beth, 1692 01:20:05,625 --> 01:20:07,500 what do you see when you look around? 1693 01:20:07,583 --> 01:20:09,458 - I see a house now. 1694 01:20:09,542 --> 01:20:10,875 There's actually a living room. 1695 01:20:10,958 --> 01:20:13,042 - [Laz] I still see a massive pile of stuff, 1696 01:20:13,125 --> 01:20:15,000 but it's a lot more organized 1697 01:20:15,042 --> 01:20:17,042 and this is definitely habitable. 1698 01:20:17,125 --> 01:20:20,000 - Gosh, it's just so much nicer. 1699 01:20:20,042 --> 01:20:21,958 Feels like a home again. 1700 01:20:23,542 --> 01:20:27,167 And the boxes are safer than the little path was before. 1701 01:20:27,250 --> 01:20:28,917 - Bruce and Cathy were able 1702 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,125 to let go of two and a half dumpsters of trash, 1703 01:20:32,208 --> 01:20:35,167 three loads of scrap, and three loads of donations. 1704 01:20:35,292 --> 01:20:36,958 So I'm really proud of them. 1705 01:20:38,208 --> 01:20:40,042 - Carolina and her excellent team, 1706 01:20:40,125 --> 01:20:41,958 when it became obvious that discarding 1707 01:20:42,042 --> 01:20:44,167 large amounts of stuff was simply not gonna happen, 1708 01:20:44,250 --> 01:20:47,083 you kind of pivoted and focused more on just safety. 1709 01:20:47,167 --> 01:20:48,333 - Absolutely. - Yeah. 1710 01:20:48,375 --> 01:20:51,000 - Safety was the primary concern here. 1711 01:20:51,083 --> 01:20:53,042 When we couldn't clean it all out, 1712 01:20:53,125 --> 01:20:55,125 I needed to make sure you had three-foot paths 1713 01:20:55,208 --> 01:20:56,583 all over the main parts of your house. 1714 01:20:56,708 --> 01:21:00,167 And as we go through you'll see that that's what happened. 1715 01:21:00,250 --> 01:21:02,500 I would love to take you to the next section. 1716 01:21:02,625 --> 01:21:03,667 Are you guys ready for that? 1717 01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:04,708 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1718 01:21:04,792 --> 01:21:06,500 - All right, let's do it. 1719 01:21:06,583 --> 01:21:08,667 (gentle music) 1720 01:21:09,833 --> 01:21:11,875 Keep it coming. - Oh my gosh. 1721 01:21:21,375 --> 01:21:24,500 - Oh, new refrigerator. Thank you. 1722 01:21:24,583 --> 01:21:25,708 (Laz laughing) 1723 01:21:25,792 --> 01:21:27,792 Thank you. - [Laz] Wow. 1724 01:21:27,875 --> 01:21:30,625 - Oh. - You can open it, Bruce. 1725 01:21:30,708 --> 01:21:32,792 - [Dr. Tolin] Yeah, open it up. 1726 01:21:32,875 --> 01:21:34,583 (all laughing) 1727 01:21:35,625 --> 01:21:38,625 - You have enough groceries in there to make several meals. 1728 01:21:38,708 --> 01:21:40,208 And you have a table to sit at. 1729 01:21:40,333 --> 01:21:42,208 Did you check this out yet? 1730 01:21:42,208 --> 01:21:44,500 This is the table that was in the front. 1731 01:21:44,625 --> 01:21:45,833 We felt like it was gorgeous. 1732 01:21:45,875 --> 01:21:48,000 We put it together and here it is. 1733 01:21:48,083 --> 01:21:50,208 - [Bruce] That's our table that was in my dad's house. 1734 01:21:50,292 --> 01:21:51,667 - That's great. - Thank you so much. 1735 01:21:51,708 --> 01:21:53,625 - [Carolina] You're so welcome. Well, we're not done. 1736 01:21:53,708 --> 01:21:55,208 (laughing) 1737 01:21:55,292 --> 01:21:56,833 - One more room to look at, right? 1738 01:21:56,917 --> 01:21:58,458 - Let's go, yep. Let's head out. 1739 01:21:58,542 --> 01:22:00,167 (gentle music) 1740 01:22:00,250 --> 01:22:02,000 - [Cathy] Oh my God. 1741 01:22:02,125 --> 01:22:03,542 - [Laz] Almost don't recognize it. 1742 01:22:03,625 --> 01:22:04,583 - I knew it. 1743 01:22:11,625 --> 01:22:13,375 That's just beautiful. 1744 01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:15,542 Almost feels like a hotel, almost. 1745 01:22:15,667 --> 01:22:18,000 (all laughing) 1746 01:22:18,042 --> 01:22:19,708 - Obviously, there's still a lot more to do, 1747 01:22:19,792 --> 01:22:22,250 but I'm trying to stay optimistic. 1748 01:22:22,375 --> 01:22:25,333 You know, this is a huge improvement. 1749 01:22:25,417 --> 01:22:29,208 Now, they can actually live comfortably, safely. 1750 01:22:29,292 --> 01:22:32,167 They actually have space to work on 1751 01:22:32,250 --> 01:22:34,250 cleaning out the rest of the junk in the house 1752 01:22:34,375 --> 01:22:37,625 and to enjoy themselves to have a quality of life. 1753 01:22:39,583 --> 01:22:42,042 - As we talk about going forward in the future, 1754 01:22:42,167 --> 01:22:44,042 this seems like it would be a good time for us 1755 01:22:44,167 --> 01:22:46,458 to have a rather frank conversation. 1756 01:22:46,542 --> 01:22:50,333 So you do need mental health treatment, 1757 01:22:50,375 --> 01:22:51,625 good, quality mental health treatment 1758 01:22:51,708 --> 01:22:54,250 from somebody who understands hoarding disorder. 1759 01:22:55,333 --> 01:22:57,667 I've found a therapist and will pay for it. 1760 01:22:57,792 --> 01:23:00,500 But I really want the two of you, after we're gone, 1761 01:23:00,625 --> 01:23:03,000 to follow through with this mental health therapy. 1762 01:23:03,083 --> 01:23:04,333 And I'd love for your family 1763 01:23:04,458 --> 01:23:07,167 to encourage you to do that after we're gone. 1764 01:23:07,250 --> 01:23:09,833 Because for you to just do this all on your own 1765 01:23:09,917 --> 01:23:11,042 is gonna be tough, 1766 01:23:11,167 --> 01:23:13,000 you need somebody working with you. 1767 01:23:13,083 --> 01:23:15,875 Not just to clear out the stuff, which is important, 1768 01:23:15,958 --> 01:23:18,875 but also to help you keep practicing good, 1769 01:23:18,958 --> 01:23:20,833 healthy decisions for yourselves. 1770 01:23:20,917 --> 01:23:22,792 Would you go to some therapy? 1771 01:23:22,875 --> 01:23:25,458 - That'd be a start. - It would. 1772 01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:28,125 How about you Cathy? What's your willingness? 1773 01:23:28,250 --> 01:23:30,500 - We will start it. - You're okay with that? 1774 01:23:30,583 --> 01:23:31,667 - Mm-hmm. - Good. 1775 01:23:31,667 --> 01:23:33,208 That's music to my ears 1776 01:23:33,292 --> 01:23:37,042 'cause I want to make sure that you keep the ball rolling 1777 01:23:37,125 --> 01:23:39,292 and things keep going in a good direction 1778 01:23:39,375 --> 01:23:42,042 and they don't slide back, which I know can happen. 1779 01:23:42,125 --> 01:23:45,042 So your best defense against making it slide back 1780 01:23:45,125 --> 01:23:47,167 is to get into that therapy. 1781 01:23:48,125 --> 01:23:49,375 Well, I guess this is the place 1782 01:23:49,458 --> 01:23:51,625 where Carolina and I leave you to enjoy the home. 1783 01:23:51,708 --> 01:23:53,167 But I just wanna say it's been a real pleasure 1784 01:23:53,208 --> 01:23:54,167 working with all of you. 1785 01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:55,708 It's been nice meeting with you. 1786 01:23:55,833 --> 01:23:58,167 You're all just really nice people and I wish you the best. 1787 01:23:58,292 --> 01:23:59,958 - Thank you. - Vice versa. 1788 01:24:00,042 --> 01:24:02,625 - I'm getting a hug, no handshakes for me. 1789 01:24:02,708 --> 01:24:04,833 (gentle music) 1790 01:24:10,125 --> 01:24:13,417 - We'll start looking at every time we bring 1791 01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:16,292 something new into the house, 1792 01:24:16,375 --> 01:24:19,083 we'll start putting something old out. 1793 01:24:20,417 --> 01:24:23,208 Not my wife, 'cause she's not old. 1794 01:24:23,208 --> 01:24:25,500 (gentle music)