1 00:00:02,167 --> 00:00:04,000 - [Marjorie] We've been in this home 40 plus years, 2 00:00:04,167 --> 00:00:08,083 my husband and I spend our time pretty much in bed. 3 00:00:08,208 --> 00:00:10,750 There's an excess of many things. 4 00:00:10,875 --> 00:00:12,333 - It's tough. 5 00:00:12,458 --> 00:00:15,167 - [Pierre] It's depressing to see him in that situation. 6 00:00:17,042 --> 00:00:18,708 - What can go in here. 7 00:00:19,417 --> 00:00:20,542 - I see no trash. 8 00:00:20,667 --> 00:00:22,667 - I'm not sure we're gonna get very far. 9 00:00:22,792 --> 00:00:25,500 - This could be over. - I'm sorry you feel that way. 10 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:30,958 - I'm getting frustrated. - I don't give a damn at all. 11 00:00:31,083 --> 00:00:33,625 - [Pierre] Use the value of the people here. 12 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:36,917 - [Marjorie] I cannot take another 48 hours in this. 13 00:00:37,042 --> 00:00:38,667 Everything else goes back. 14 00:00:38,792 --> 00:00:39,542 Thank you. 15 00:00:39,708 --> 00:00:40,750 No. 16 00:00:40,875 --> 00:00:41,833 I paid a lot of money- - I don't care. 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,167 How much is your husband worth? 18 00:00:43,292 --> 00:00:45,750 - Please leave. - Good luck. 19 00:00:45,875 --> 00:00:48,333 (upbeat music) 20 00:01:03,125 --> 00:01:05,542 (calm music) 21 00:01:30,667 --> 00:01:32,250 - [Marjorie] What's this? 22 00:01:33,833 --> 00:01:36,333 (sighs) 23 00:01:36,458 --> 00:01:37,708 Crap. 24 00:01:39,167 --> 00:01:43,208 It's all ruined. 25 00:01:44,208 --> 00:01:47,125 I'm Marjorie and I'm a hoarder. 26 00:01:50,208 --> 00:01:52,625 There's an excess of many things. 27 00:01:53,458 --> 00:01:57,083 I went to a lot of garage sales, 28 00:01:57,208 --> 00:01:59,375 the estate sales and the thrift store. 29 00:01:59,542 --> 00:02:03,708 So I've got extra clothes, extra linens, 30 00:02:03,875 --> 00:02:08,833 extra soft goods, knicknacks and extra housewares. 31 00:02:10,875 --> 00:02:14,833 One big collecting hoarding thing has been books. 32 00:02:16,583 --> 00:02:19,417 Almost everybody I know has too many books 33 00:02:20,375 --> 00:02:23,833 And I don't hoard animals. 34 00:02:23,958 --> 00:02:25,500 I hoard animals stuff. 35 00:02:25,667 --> 00:02:29,333 Dog dishes, cat toys. 36 00:02:29,458 --> 00:02:34,375 I have furniture that I've bought meaning to refinish it. 37 00:02:35,583 --> 00:02:37,917 I've tried to discipline myself to buy something, 38 00:02:38,042 --> 00:02:40,250 take something away, 39 00:02:41,917 --> 00:02:45,542 but it simply became overwhelming 40 00:02:45,708 --> 00:02:47,875 because it was too much. 41 00:02:50,667 --> 00:02:51,792 Snack time. 42 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:55,625 Oranges for both of us. 43 00:02:56,292 --> 00:03:00,625 My husband and I spend our time pretty much in bed. 44 00:03:06,167 --> 00:03:08,542 - I'm not gonna wait. (Majorie laughs) 45 00:03:09,208 --> 00:03:12,667 - Whew. Hi. - Hi. 46 00:03:14,542 --> 00:03:17,208 - We don't have easy access to the kitchen. 47 00:03:18,458 --> 00:03:20,542 I don't have a functioning washer. 48 00:03:21,625 --> 00:03:24,250 We've been in this home 40 plus years. 49 00:03:24,375 --> 00:03:26,917 We owned a small house before we moved here, 50 00:03:27,042 --> 00:03:31,917 but this is our main residence for our entire marriage. 51 00:03:32,042 --> 00:03:34,458 - Please ma'am, may I have some more? 52 00:03:38,417 --> 00:03:41,583 I'm Irv, I'm Marjorie's husband. 53 00:03:43,125 --> 00:03:48,125 Marjorie and I have been married 52 years. 54 00:03:48,250 --> 00:03:53,208 She was the first woman that I really cared about. 55 00:03:53,875 --> 00:03:58,375 She was smart and funny. 56 00:03:58,542 --> 00:04:04,417 She encourages me, she has always had faith in me 57 00:04:04,542 --> 00:04:09,292 sometimes even more than I have in myself. 58 00:04:09,375 --> 00:04:13,833 She has always been a cheerleader. 59 00:04:13,917 --> 00:04:17,667 - My husband and I never had children by choice. 60 00:04:17,792 --> 00:04:18,708 It is a choice. 61 00:04:18,875 --> 00:04:22,167 We've always shared that love of animals. 62 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:26,375 We both care deeply for animals. 63 00:04:26,542 --> 00:04:31,083 - I think that shared love of animals 64 00:04:31,208 --> 00:04:32,833 helps keep us together. 65 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:39,833 Years keep going by and we've had some ups and downs. 66 00:04:40,375 --> 00:04:42,958 But we both do love each other. 67 00:04:46,708 --> 00:04:48,000 - I'm Pierre, 68 00:04:48,167 --> 00:04:51,375 I've been friends with Marjorie and Irv for over 40 years. 69 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:56,542 I first met Irv when we were both selected on a rotary club 70 00:04:56,667 --> 00:04:58,917 group study to west Africa. 71 00:04:59,042 --> 00:05:01,458 That was in 1981. 72 00:05:01,583 --> 00:05:03,667 We became the best of friends over that time 73 00:05:03,792 --> 00:05:06,000 and have stayed very close ever since. 74 00:05:06,125 --> 00:05:12,333 - That's how our friendship started and how it's grown. 75 00:05:12,833 --> 00:05:15,792 And it's really solid. 76 00:05:15,875 --> 00:05:21,833 Now he's definitely a part of my life and existence. 77 00:05:22,417 --> 00:05:23,667 - I love Irv as a brother. 78 00:05:25,875 --> 00:05:30,208 It is depressing to see him in that situation. 79 00:05:30,375 --> 00:05:33,500 I'm really wanting to see, 80 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:36,542 them both in a home that's healthy. 81 00:05:45,583 --> 00:05:49,333 - My husband, he has a basic diagnosis 82 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:51,333 and he was coping with that pretty well 83 00:05:51,458 --> 00:05:55,500 for many years of type two diabetes. 84 00:05:55,625 --> 00:05:58,333 And as of three or four months ago, 85 00:05:58,458 --> 00:06:00,833 he has a Parkinson's diagnosis. 86 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:08,000 In February of this year and in May, 87 00:06:08,083 --> 00:06:13,167 my husband fell twice breaking bones, both times. 88 00:06:13,792 --> 00:06:15,833 - My fear is that if either one of them 89 00:06:15,917 --> 00:06:18,792 needs medical assistance, no one can get to 'em. 90 00:06:18,917 --> 00:06:28,500 - We had to call 911, and the EMT guys said 91 00:06:28,625 --> 00:06:31,833 they couldn't bring the gurney in. 92 00:06:32,958 --> 00:06:36,833 I had to make it to the sliding door outside 93 00:06:36,958 --> 00:06:39,167 so that they could it take me to the ambulance 94 00:06:39,333 --> 00:06:42,333 and then take me to the emergency room. 95 00:06:42,458 --> 00:06:44,167 - They have a sliding glass door 96 00:06:44,333 --> 00:06:45,792 on the backside of their room, 97 00:06:45,917 --> 00:06:48,958 but now there's a pile four foot high 98 00:06:49,083 --> 00:06:52,250 and three foot deep between it and the bed. 99 00:06:52,375 --> 00:06:54,792 You couldn't even get out that way. 100 00:06:54,875 --> 00:06:57,333 - I'll be having hip surgery soon. 101 00:06:57,458 --> 00:07:03,583 So immediately we need the house emptied enough 102 00:07:03,708 --> 00:07:07,250 that both of us can use walkers for our rehab 103 00:07:07,375 --> 00:07:09,042 and for our daily safety. 104 00:07:12,708 --> 00:07:14,625 - I'm Ceci, I'm Marjorie's friend. 105 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:17,833 I was over there during the summer and we walked around 106 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,667 and tried to figure out what to do, 107 00:07:19,792 --> 00:07:22,875 getting organized, cleaning up 108 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,333 and basically we acknowledge that it's a big task. 109 00:07:26,458 --> 00:07:30,792 I think Marjorie starts out with good intentions 110 00:07:30,875 --> 00:07:35,542 and collects some things that I think are really worthwhile. 111 00:07:36,958 --> 00:07:39,042 It's just the follow through of actually getting them, 112 00:07:39,208 --> 00:07:42,500 to their final destination that can sometimes be difficult 113 00:07:42,583 --> 00:07:43,833 for one reason or another. 114 00:07:47,708 --> 00:07:49,500 - I'm Jan and Marjorie is my friend. 115 00:07:49,625 --> 00:07:52,750 I think Marjorie will have a difficult time 116 00:07:52,875 --> 00:07:56,000 getting rid of things that she thinks are of value, 117 00:07:56,125 --> 00:07:57,792 but what she thinks are of value 118 00:07:57,875 --> 00:07:59,917 and what other people think are of value 119 00:08:00,042 --> 00:08:01,792 might be pretty different. 120 00:08:01,917 --> 00:08:03,750 And I think it'll be particularly difficult 121 00:08:03,875 --> 00:08:06,708 for her to think that she can't donate something. 122 00:08:08,375 --> 00:08:10,083 When I went over there, 123 00:08:10,208 --> 00:08:14,333 I felt overwhelmed because I wanted to help her. 124 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:17,083 And there was an item that I kept knocking it 125 00:08:17,208 --> 00:08:18,500 into the little goat trail. 126 00:08:18,667 --> 00:08:19,833 And I said, "Can we recycle this?" 127 00:08:19,958 --> 00:08:21,417 and she goes, "Oh no, I'm gonna keep that. 128 00:08:21,542 --> 00:08:22,833 It's a pretty bottle." 129 00:08:22,917 --> 00:08:25,208 And I said, "We're gonna have to get rid of it." 130 00:08:25,375 --> 00:08:26,708 And I realized, 131 00:08:26,875 --> 00:08:30,000 then she wasn't in the mindset to get rid of stuff. 132 00:08:31,125 --> 00:08:34,583 - I've tried several times to help clean up at the house. 133 00:08:35,125 --> 00:08:39,042 I've basically laid a law down that I won't move stuff 134 00:08:39,208 --> 00:08:41,292 from pile A to pile B. 135 00:08:41,375 --> 00:08:44,750 I will move it out to the dumpster 136 00:08:44,875 --> 00:08:46,542 that doesn't get a whole lot done 137 00:08:46,708 --> 00:08:48,792 because she goes through this stuff 138 00:08:48,875 --> 00:08:52,625 so slowly to look at every item in that, 139 00:08:52,708 --> 00:08:55,125 and even things that are just total trash, 140 00:08:55,250 --> 00:09:00,625 she'll want to keep. Magazines that are water damaged. 141 00:09:00,708 --> 00:09:02,375 She can say, "Oh, I'll pull the pages apart." 142 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:04,333 or that kind of thing. 143 00:09:04,458 --> 00:09:06,917 And so it does get ridiculous. 144 00:09:07,917 --> 00:09:08,875 - Pierre. 145 00:09:09,042 --> 00:09:12,208 I love him, but I think he's been mean 146 00:09:12,333 --> 00:09:15,667 the last few years over the stuff. 147 00:09:16,375 --> 00:09:18,792 And I feel very judged. 148 00:09:18,917 --> 00:09:24,750 I think that he has no friggin' idea what's going on here 149 00:09:24,875 --> 00:09:27,792 between me and my husband and everything else. 150 00:09:35,542 --> 00:09:37,500 I think the worst part of the problem 151 00:09:37,625 --> 00:09:41,167 were the real downhill issues. 152 00:09:41,292 --> 00:09:43,167 Started about 11 years ago 153 00:09:43,333 --> 00:09:45,667 when my husband lost his job. 154 00:09:47,042 --> 00:09:51,208 It was sudden, our income was cut 155 00:09:51,375 --> 00:09:53,417 and we almost lost our house. 156 00:09:53,542 --> 00:09:57,000 And I think at some point there, 157 00:09:57,125 --> 00:10:00,167 I bought and collected more things, 158 00:10:00,292 --> 00:10:04,208 sadly things around me to sort of give me a cave. 159 00:10:05,458 --> 00:10:08,708 And I just wanna sort of cocoon here. 160 00:10:10,333 --> 00:10:13,250 - I was a writer and an editor. 161 00:10:14,542 --> 00:10:17,167 I always felt I was pretty good at that, 162 00:10:17,292 --> 00:10:20,500 and then when I lost my job, 163 00:10:20,625 --> 00:10:24,250 I kinda lost interest in just about everything. 164 00:10:25,083 --> 00:10:27,500 I was depressed, 165 00:10:27,667 --> 00:10:30,708 I've taken depression medication for many years, 166 00:10:30,833 --> 00:10:35,792 even before that, but that was like an additional blow. 167 00:10:37,708 --> 00:10:40,958 - I think him losing his job so abruptly. 168 00:10:41,042 --> 00:10:47,125 I don't think we emotionally and financially ever recovered. 169 00:10:48,292 --> 00:10:51,542 I don't think that he and I have been in sync 170 00:10:51,667 --> 00:10:56,625 or making good choices and we're managing now, 171 00:10:57,458 --> 00:10:58,875 but we are hardly comfortable. 172 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,708 It's just sort of treading water and trying to survive. 173 00:11:04,875 --> 00:11:08,208 And our world has gotten smaller and smaller. 174 00:11:09,542 --> 00:11:12,667 - Now it's getting more oppressive. 175 00:11:12,792 --> 00:11:18,500 And I almost feel as if I'm bedridden 176 00:11:18,625 --> 00:11:23,625 because there isn't another room 177 00:11:24,792 --> 00:11:27,500 that I could sit in and do anything. 178 00:11:27,583 --> 00:11:33,875 So I sit or lie in bed, watch TV. 179 00:11:35,167 --> 00:11:41,667 I get up when I need to make something to eat or drink. 180 00:11:41,792 --> 00:11:46,458 And I bring it back to the bed where I eat and drink. 181 00:11:46,583 --> 00:11:51,167 And that's about the extent of my existence right now. 182 00:11:51,333 --> 00:11:52,750 It's tough. 183 00:11:54,167 --> 00:11:57,917 - I've seen him as a bubbly personality, 184 00:11:59,042 --> 00:12:04,125 laughing, joking, friendly, and he doesn't have that now. 185 00:12:04,208 --> 00:12:07,750 He's almost downtrodden. 186 00:12:07,875 --> 00:12:12,125 And when we get out and we go to lunch with that 187 00:12:12,250 --> 00:12:15,042 and get him away from the home, you can see him, 188 00:12:16,417 --> 00:12:18,167 come back to life, shall we say? 189 00:12:18,292 --> 00:12:22,042 And I just think you get yourself in a position 190 00:12:23,500 --> 00:12:28,333 of depressing situation and you've become depressed. 191 00:12:28,417 --> 00:12:29,500 It's hard to battle back. 192 00:12:29,667 --> 00:12:33,250 And I think they're just buried. 193 00:12:35,542 --> 00:12:38,500 - If it doesn't get cleaned up, it could be tragic. 194 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,208 One of us could fall and then the authorities would come in 195 00:12:45,458 --> 00:12:49,167 and whoever fell would get put in a facility, 196 00:12:49,292 --> 00:12:52,833 then the person remaining would have no control 197 00:12:52,958 --> 00:12:54,208 over what happens. 198 00:13:07,083 --> 00:13:10,833 I just feel incredibly vulnerable right now 199 00:13:12,542 --> 00:13:16,958 and embarrassed that this is how I live and we live. 200 00:13:18,667 --> 00:13:21,542 This is not me, I don't think. 201 00:13:24,042 --> 00:13:25,250 I don't want it to be me. 202 00:13:28,833 --> 00:13:31,250 (calm music) 203 00:13:41,708 --> 00:13:43,958 (knocks door) 204 00:13:44,083 --> 00:13:46,500 - [Dr. Tolin] Hi Marjorie. 205 00:13:46,625 --> 00:13:47,750 Hi, I'm Dr. Tolin. 206 00:13:47,875 --> 00:13:48,958 - [Marjorie] Welcome. 207 00:13:49,083 --> 00:13:49,917 - [Dr. Tolin] Very nice to meet you. 208 00:13:50,042 --> 00:13:51,000 - [Marjorie] Thank you. - May I come in? 209 00:13:51,125 --> 00:13:52,250 - [Marjorie] Please. - Thank you. 210 00:13:52,375 --> 00:13:55,000 I'm Dr. David Tolin, I'm a clinical psychologist 211 00:13:55,125 --> 00:13:57,833 and I specialize in the treatment of hoarding disorder. 212 00:13:57,958 --> 00:13:59,167 - [Marjorie] Welcome to my mess. 213 00:13:59,250 --> 00:14:00,583 - [Dr. Tolin] Thank you for having me in it. 214 00:14:00,708 --> 00:14:01,833 (Marjorie laughs) 215 00:14:01,958 --> 00:14:04,833 So Marjorie, what I'm interested in doing is, 216 00:14:04,917 --> 00:14:06,833 walking around the house a little bit with you 217 00:14:06,917 --> 00:14:08,417 and getting to see the house, 218 00:14:08,542 --> 00:14:11,750 but also getting to know you a little bit and that way you 219 00:14:11,875 --> 00:14:13,167 and I can kind of figure out a good way 220 00:14:13,292 --> 00:14:15,500 that we can work together in these next several days. 221 00:14:15,667 --> 00:14:17,042 - [Marjorie] Okay. 222 00:14:17,167 --> 00:14:18,333 - [Dr. Tolin] I see you have a lot of furniture in here. 223 00:14:18,500 --> 00:14:19,292 - [Marjorie] I do. 224 00:14:22,208 --> 00:14:26,917 The idea there was paint, fix up, move, use somewhere else. 225 00:14:27,042 --> 00:14:28,542 - [Dr. Tolin] Hmm. - That didn't happen. 226 00:14:28,667 --> 00:14:31,417 This is part of a bedroom set, 227 00:14:31,542 --> 00:14:32,417 - [Dr. Tolin] This here, yeah. 228 00:14:32,542 --> 00:14:33,542 - [Marjorie] That I love. 229 00:14:33,667 --> 00:14:34,542 - [Dr. Tolin] Yeah, but obviously 230 00:14:34,667 --> 00:14:36,083 it's not in the bedroom. 231 00:14:36,208 --> 00:14:38,167 - [Marjorie] And I bought it with the idea 232 00:14:38,292 --> 00:14:40,833 that I would have it professionally painted. 233 00:14:40,917 --> 00:14:42,042 - Mm hmm. 234 00:14:42,208 --> 00:14:43,250 The large piece was - [Dr. Tolin] Yeah. 235 00:14:43,375 --> 00:14:45,000 actually delivered. 236 00:14:45,167 --> 00:14:46,750 I thought of a lot of potential for it. 237 00:14:46,875 --> 00:14:48,917 - The pattern I see in Marjorie 238 00:14:49,042 --> 00:14:52,333 is that she acquires things with the best of intentions, 239 00:14:52,417 --> 00:14:54,167 but she doesn't have any follow through. 240 00:14:54,250 --> 00:14:56,708 She's got no capacity to actually do 241 00:14:56,833 --> 00:14:58,208 the things that she says she's going to do. 242 00:14:58,375 --> 00:15:00,833 And that's not gonna get any better after her hip surgery. 243 00:15:00,958 --> 00:15:02,375 Let's take a look at some other parts of the house. 244 00:15:02,500 --> 00:15:04,125 - Okay. - All right. 245 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:08,500 - [Marjorie] We're looking at a modified dining room. 246 00:15:08,625 --> 00:15:10,125 - [Dr. Tolin] Okay. - There's a dining table there. 247 00:15:10,250 --> 00:15:11,042 - [Dr. Tolin] Where? Here? 248 00:15:11,167 --> 00:15:12,000 - [Marjorie] Yes. Buried. 249 00:15:12,125 --> 00:15:13,500 There's a desk in front of it. 250 00:15:13,625 --> 00:15:14,958 - [Dr. Tolin] I see that. Okay. 251 00:15:15,042 --> 00:15:17,000 - [Marjorie] And it matches furniture in the garage. 252 00:15:17,083 --> 00:15:19,417 Then we're looking at a large family room. 253 00:15:19,542 --> 00:15:21,125 - [Dr. Tolin] Yeah. I see that, big room. 254 00:15:21,250 --> 00:15:23,917 - [Marjorie] Big room and then steps upstairs 255 00:15:24,042 --> 00:15:26,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Mm hmm. - to another bedroom and bath. 256 00:15:26,458 --> 00:15:28,042 - [Dr. Tolin] Okay. Can you tell me Marjorie, 257 00:15:28,208 --> 00:15:30,000 how did all this stuff get in here? 258 00:15:31,625 --> 00:15:32,917 - [Marjorie] 11 Years ago, 259 00:15:33,042 --> 00:15:35,625 there was a lot of upset emotionally. 260 00:15:35,708 --> 00:15:37,083 - Mm hmm. 261 00:15:37,208 --> 00:15:41,000 For two years we were literally just nonfunctioning 262 00:15:41,125 --> 00:15:42,000 here in this house. 263 00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:44,000 - [Dr. Tolin] What had happened? 264 00:15:44,125 --> 00:15:46,958 - [Marjorie] My husband who's the main breadwinner, 265 00:15:47,083 --> 00:15:49,667 as American companies, I mean, 266 00:15:49,833 --> 00:15:52,000 there was downsizing and- - Mmm. 267 00:15:52,542 --> 00:15:54,208 - He lost his job. - We knew it was coming, 268 00:15:54,375 --> 00:15:57,042 but it was still, it was very abrupt. 269 00:15:57,167 --> 00:15:58,833 - Mmm. There was no notice. 270 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:02,042 I think both of us just sort of, 271 00:16:02,167 --> 00:16:04,000 licked our wounds and retreated. 272 00:16:04,125 --> 00:16:06,250 - You didn't really recover. - We didn't recover. 273 00:16:06,375 --> 00:16:07,292 That's 11 years. 274 00:16:07,417 --> 00:16:08,833 - [Dr. Tolin] Is that when you started 275 00:16:08,917 --> 00:16:10,750 bringing all the stuff into the house? 276 00:16:11,458 --> 00:16:16,167 - [Marjorie] Um...I have to say that it was a pattern, 277 00:16:16,292 --> 00:16:19,250 but I think that it built more, it was my escape. 278 00:16:19,375 --> 00:16:20,708 - [Dr. Tolin] It was there, but it got worse. 279 00:16:20,875 --> 00:16:22,542 - Okay. Okay. - Yes. It was my escape. 280 00:16:22,708 --> 00:16:27,000 And the stuff didn't get in and out, in and out, 281 00:16:27,125 --> 00:16:28,000 - [Dr. Tolin] I see. - like it all stayed. 282 00:16:28,083 --> 00:16:28,792 - Just stayed in. 283 00:16:28,917 --> 00:16:31,083 - Yeah. - So Marjorie, 284 00:16:31,208 --> 00:16:32,375 you were mentioning your husband 285 00:16:32,542 --> 00:16:34,125 and I wonder if we might go meet him? 286 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:36,000 - Yes. - Where will we find him? 287 00:16:37,333 --> 00:16:39,125 - [Marjorie] We pretty much live in the bedroom. 288 00:16:39,208 --> 00:16:40,167 - Live in the bedroom. - Yes. 289 00:16:40,250 --> 00:16:41,917 - Okay. - This is what it is. 290 00:16:42,042 --> 00:16:43,667 Let's go see. - Yeah, let's go meet him. 291 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:44,417 - Okay. 292 00:16:46,375 --> 00:16:47,125 - Hi honey. 293 00:16:47,208 --> 00:16:49,167 - I was feeling lonesome. 294 00:16:49,292 --> 00:16:51,500 - [Marjorie] (chuckles) We have a guest. 295 00:16:51,667 --> 00:16:52,708 - All right. 296 00:16:52,833 --> 00:16:54,583 Hello? - I'm David Tolin. 297 00:16:54,708 --> 00:16:55,417 Very nice to meet you. 298 00:16:55,542 --> 00:16:57,125 - [Irv] I'm Irv. 299 00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:58,667 - Irv. - Call me, Irv. 300 00:16:58,792 --> 00:17:00,000 - Okay Irv. 301 00:17:00,167 --> 00:17:01,667 So Irv, Marjorie was just kind of showing me 302 00:17:01,833 --> 00:17:03,250 around the house a little bit 303 00:17:03,375 --> 00:17:06,208 and giving me a little bit of a sense of what's happening. 304 00:17:06,333 --> 00:17:10,000 And she tells me the you two basically live in this room. 305 00:17:10,083 --> 00:17:12,083 - Basically. - Okay. 306 00:17:12,208 --> 00:17:16,417 - [Irv] I almost feel like I'm bedridden 307 00:17:16,542 --> 00:17:19,750 because this is it. 308 00:17:19,875 --> 00:17:22,583 We eat here. We talk here. 309 00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:24,333 We watch TV here. 310 00:17:24,500 --> 00:17:27,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Not much room elsewhere in the house, I guess. 311 00:17:27,458 --> 00:17:32,083 - [Irv] There's no place else to sit really so. 312 00:17:32,208 --> 00:17:34,792 - This hoarding situation really makes me sad 313 00:17:34,917 --> 00:17:37,750 because I see Marjorie and Irv 314 00:17:37,875 --> 00:17:39,875 confined to this tiny bedroom. 315 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,042 And that's their entire life. 316 00:17:42,208 --> 00:17:44,667 It's not even the bedroom, it's the bed. 317 00:17:44,792 --> 00:17:47,167 Irv I've been hearing from Marjorie a little bit 318 00:17:47,250 --> 00:17:49,500 about how things developed and what's going on here, 319 00:17:49,625 --> 00:17:52,000 but I'd be really curious to get your input here. 320 00:17:52,083 --> 00:17:54,125 How do you think this all happened? 321 00:17:54,208 --> 00:17:57,000 - [Irv] Things came in and they didn't go out. (laughs) 322 00:17:57,083 --> 00:18:00,000 - Yeah, it sounds like what ends up happening 323 00:18:00,125 --> 00:18:01,667 is that it just turns into clutter, 324 00:18:01,833 --> 00:18:03,708 becomes something that's not really contributing 325 00:18:03,833 --> 00:18:05,333 to your quality of life. - Yeah. 326 00:18:05,458 --> 00:18:07,000 So that's part of why we're here. 327 00:18:07,125 --> 00:18:08,667 We'll start working on that sort of thing. 328 00:18:08,833 --> 00:18:12,667 Irv has fallen several times and injured himself 329 00:18:12,792 --> 00:18:14,667 and Marjorie is about to have hip surgery. 330 00:18:14,792 --> 00:18:17,125 And so she's not gonna be able to help him. 331 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:19,625 The two of them are not gonna last very long 332 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:20,667 in this situation. 333 00:18:20,792 --> 00:18:22,792 We've really gotta do something about this 334 00:18:22,917 --> 00:18:24,208 if they're gonna be safe. 335 00:18:24,333 --> 00:18:25,667 In a minute I'd like you to come out with me 336 00:18:25,792 --> 00:18:27,000 and meet my partner, Cory. 337 00:18:27,125 --> 00:18:29,250 And he is going to be working on 338 00:18:29,375 --> 00:18:31,417 a lot of the clutter in the home. 339 00:18:31,542 --> 00:18:34,208 And I'd like to hear what he has to say about it. 340 00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:35,042 Would that be all right? 341 00:18:35,167 --> 00:18:36,083 - Sure. - Okay. 342 00:18:36,208 --> 00:18:37,125 - Yes. - Why don't we go out 343 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:37,875 and let's meet Cory. Okay. 344 00:18:38,042 --> 00:18:39,167 - Okay. - Alright. 345 00:18:41,042 --> 00:18:42,042 - I'm okay. - You're okay. 346 00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:44,083 Okay. And here's Cory. 347 00:18:44,208 --> 00:18:45,625 - Hey Dr. Tolin. - How are you doing Cory? 348 00:18:45,708 --> 00:18:46,333 - I'm good. Good to see you. - [Dr. Tolin] Good to see you. 349 00:18:46,500 --> 00:18:47,500 - Hi there. 350 00:18:47,667 --> 00:18:48,333 I've got a couple people I'd like you to meet. 351 00:18:48,500 --> 00:18:50,292 - Sure. - This is Marjorie. 352 00:18:50,417 --> 00:18:51,500 - Hi, Marjorie. Nice to meet you. 353 00:18:51,583 --> 00:18:52,750 - And this is her husband Irv. - Fist pump. 354 00:18:52,875 --> 00:18:54,000 - Hi. - This is Cory. 355 00:18:54,083 --> 00:18:54,750 - How are you doing, Irv. 356 00:18:54,875 --> 00:18:55,667 Nice to meet you. 357 00:18:55,833 --> 00:18:57,000 There you go. 358 00:18:57,083 --> 00:18:58,292 I'm Cory Chalmers, an extreme cleaner 359 00:18:58,375 --> 00:19:00,833 that specializes in biohazard and hoarding. 360 00:19:00,958 --> 00:19:02,042 Now that I've seen the house, 361 00:19:02,208 --> 00:19:03,708 and I kind of understand what you're up against. 362 00:19:03,833 --> 00:19:06,250 Can you tell me what your goals are for the home? 363 00:19:06,375 --> 00:19:07,917 Like what do you wanna see out of this? 364 00:19:08,042 --> 00:19:13,000 - [Marjorie] We need to have accessibility from our bedroom, 365 00:19:13,083 --> 00:19:16,333 through our cluttered hallway, 366 00:19:18,042 --> 00:19:20,000 clear through our dining room, 367 00:19:20,167 --> 00:19:22,792 a lot more clear in the kitchen, 368 00:19:22,917 --> 00:19:25,750 and we have to have a clear path to the front door. 369 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,167 - I think the biggest concern for me 370 00:19:29,333 --> 00:19:32,000 not getting Marjorie and Irv's house cleaned 371 00:19:32,125 --> 00:19:32,917 is they're gonna fall. 372 00:19:34,208 --> 00:19:36,167 And they're probably gonna die in that house. 373 00:19:36,333 --> 00:19:37,583 There could be a fire, there could be anything. 374 00:19:37,708 --> 00:19:40,542 They do not have the mobility to get around the house, 375 00:19:40,667 --> 00:19:44,042 let alone get out of it if there was an emergency. 376 00:19:44,167 --> 00:19:46,208 So when did this get dropped off? 377 00:19:46,333 --> 00:19:47,917 - [Marjorie] The storage container 378 00:19:48,042 --> 00:19:50,333 has been here eight to 10 days. 379 00:19:50,458 --> 00:19:52,417 And there's a very concrete reason 380 00:19:52,542 --> 00:19:56,875 that in cleaning out the house, we need to have that here. 381 00:19:57,042 --> 00:19:57,875 - [Cory] Okay. Yeah. 382 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,542 What is that concrete reason? 383 00:19:59,667 --> 00:20:01,958 - [Marjorie] I want to store some things 384 00:20:02,083 --> 00:20:09,250 for one or two months til I can work with local agencies 385 00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:12,917 and also some of our Afghan - [Irv] Right, yeah. 386 00:20:13,042 --> 00:20:15,708 refugees to give them stuff. 387 00:20:16,167 --> 00:20:17,750 - Here's my concern, Marjorie is... 388 00:20:17,875 --> 00:20:19,125 I'm concerned that you may not 389 00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:20,708 actually be able to follow through with that, 390 00:20:20,833 --> 00:20:22,208 'cause I'm just sort of thinking about the pattern 391 00:20:22,333 --> 00:20:24,125 that we identified inside the house, 392 00:20:24,208 --> 00:20:26,958 which is that you've got so many good intentions 393 00:20:27,042 --> 00:20:28,000 for hanging onto stuff. 394 00:20:28,167 --> 00:20:29,583 You've got good reasons, 395 00:20:29,708 --> 00:20:31,875 but you don't really have the mobility 396 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,958 and the ability to follow through with those things. 397 00:20:34,042 --> 00:20:36,958 Is it really in your best interest to be in these stuff, 398 00:20:37,042 --> 00:20:38,583 storage business, 399 00:20:38,708 --> 00:20:42,375 or is that just a toxic business for both of you to be in. 400 00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:45,125 - [Marjorie] Whether it's my best interest or not, 401 00:20:45,208 --> 00:20:48,917 I'm ready to give another family in this town 402 00:20:49,042 --> 00:20:51,000 some valuable things. 403 00:20:51,083 --> 00:20:54,708 If I can't outright give it away in a couple of months, 404 00:20:54,833 --> 00:20:58,333 I will try to very safely put it on Craig's List, 405 00:20:58,458 --> 00:21:00,667 sell it for something. 406 00:21:00,792 --> 00:21:01,667 - That's not gonna work. 407 00:21:01,833 --> 00:21:03,625 This thing is gonna be packed full. 408 00:21:03,708 --> 00:21:06,333 You're gonna be very mobility limited, right? 409 00:21:06,417 --> 00:21:08,875 How are you gonna go through a... 410 00:21:09,042 --> 00:21:10,333 - You can't take a picture of it - Storage containier. 411 00:21:10,458 --> 00:21:13,250 before it's put in there or I... 412 00:21:13,375 --> 00:21:14,500 - [Cory] We're not going to. 413 00:21:14,583 --> 00:21:16,208 - [Marjorie] You can't set it out here, Cory? 414 00:21:16,333 --> 00:21:18,292 - No, we don't have time for that. 415 00:21:18,417 --> 00:21:20,167 Someone like Marjorie that collects things, 416 00:21:20,292 --> 00:21:22,333 they don't wanna just see it go to waste. 417 00:21:22,500 --> 00:21:23,583 But at the same time, 418 00:21:23,708 --> 00:21:24,708 I know she's never gonna donate this stuff. 419 00:21:24,833 --> 00:21:27,000 She hasn't for decades, it looks like. 420 00:21:27,125 --> 00:21:28,375 And so I really don't think she will 421 00:21:28,542 --> 00:21:30,500 if we fill up this container and leave. 422 00:21:30,583 --> 00:21:33,833 So you're choosing refugees and donated items 423 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,500 over your own space and health and that's fine, 424 00:21:37,583 --> 00:21:39,000 but I just wanna put it out there from the beginning 425 00:21:39,167 --> 00:21:42,250 that this will alter the outcome of this house for you guys. 426 00:21:42,375 --> 00:21:44,875 - [Marjorie] Well, I'm sorry. 427 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,375 That's the bottom line. 428 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:48,875 - When we actually start getting into this clean out, 429 00:21:49,042 --> 00:21:52,583 she may dig in her heels and demand to control everything. 430 00:21:52,708 --> 00:21:54,583 She's gonna be focused on what to save 431 00:21:54,708 --> 00:21:56,708 and what she's gonna donate and how she's gonna help people, 432 00:21:56,875 --> 00:21:57,792 which is wonderful. 433 00:21:59,375 --> 00:22:02,542 At the same time if those rationales become excuses 434 00:22:02,708 --> 00:22:05,167 to just hang on to more and more stuff, 435 00:22:05,292 --> 00:22:06,625 that's gonna be a problem. 436 00:22:06,750 --> 00:22:07,917 (intense music) 437 00:22:28,417 --> 00:22:31,292 (truck beeping) 438 00:22:44,375 --> 00:22:45,167 - [Cory] Good morning, everyone. 439 00:22:45,292 --> 00:22:46,375 - [All] Good Morning. 440 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:47,375 - Marjorie and Irv. 441 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:49,125 Big day for you guys. 442 00:22:49,208 --> 00:22:51,125 Lots of resources. 443 00:22:51,208 --> 00:22:52,917 We have myself. We have Dr. Tolin. 444 00:22:53,042 --> 00:22:54,000 We have the stair clean crew. 445 00:22:54,125 --> 00:22:55,417 We have the clutter moving crew. 446 00:22:55,542 --> 00:22:56,667 We have organizers. 447 00:22:56,792 --> 00:22:59,333 I don't know what more you can need 448 00:22:59,458 --> 00:23:02,125 to set up for a successful cleanup. 449 00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:03,667 At the end of all this, what do you want? 450 00:23:03,792 --> 00:23:04,583 What do you want out of this? 451 00:23:04,708 --> 00:23:07,833 - [Irv] I want a safe environment 452 00:23:07,958 --> 00:23:15,167 that we can go through this house with a walker 453 00:23:15,292 --> 00:23:17,792 or a wheelchair if we need it, 454 00:23:17,875 --> 00:23:20,125 because we both have mobility issues. 455 00:23:20,208 --> 00:23:29,333 And whatever excess stuff we can get rid of will be great. 456 00:23:29,458 --> 00:23:30,958 - [Cory] That's what we wanna hear. 457 00:23:31,042 --> 00:23:33,667 Marjorie, what would you like to see out of this? 458 00:23:33,792 --> 00:23:37,208 - [Marjorie] A safe, more comfortable environment. 459 00:23:37,375 --> 00:23:38,833 - [Cory] I love that. 460 00:23:38,958 --> 00:23:41,833 Key words, two words that I like to use safe and functional. 461 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,708 That's really all we want out of this. 462 00:23:43,875 --> 00:23:45,458 Okay, so as long as we're in alignment with that, 463 00:23:45,542 --> 00:23:47,333 I think we're off to a great start. 464 00:23:47,458 --> 00:23:49,833 Now how we get there is a different story. 465 00:23:49,917 --> 00:23:52,375 Okay, there's probably gonna be some struggles, 466 00:23:52,500 --> 00:23:54,000 just thinking differently about things 467 00:23:54,125 --> 00:23:56,958 that Dr. Tolin will talk about because that's his job here 468 00:23:57,042 --> 00:23:58,875 is to help you through those difficult times. 469 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,333 - [Dr. Tolin] That's right. Thanks, Cory. 470 00:24:00,458 --> 00:24:02,167 And the question is do you really wanna make 471 00:24:02,333 --> 00:24:05,542 a big fundamental change in your relationship to stuff? 472 00:24:05,667 --> 00:24:07,833 That's what I'm gonna be kind of challenging you 473 00:24:07,958 --> 00:24:10,333 to think about as we go through this process. 474 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:13,333 You know, my aim is not only to make sure 475 00:24:13,458 --> 00:24:15,667 that we get the house safe and functional now. 476 00:24:15,792 --> 00:24:17,875 But if I were to come back a year from now, 477 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,500 I wanna make sure that it's not cluttering back up again. 478 00:24:20,667 --> 00:24:21,833 And in order to do that, 479 00:24:21,917 --> 00:24:23,500 we're gonna have to make behavioral changes. 480 00:24:23,583 --> 00:24:25,500 And that's where I'm gonna be challenging both of you. 481 00:24:25,625 --> 00:24:27,667 - [Marjorie] We will try to follow your lead 482 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:29,625 and see your example - [Dr. Tolin] Mm hmm. 483 00:24:29,708 --> 00:24:30,833 and learn - [Dr. Tolin] Mm hmm. 484 00:24:30,917 --> 00:24:31,958 and build on that. 485 00:24:32,042 --> 00:24:33,833 - [Dr. Tolin] Good. Lets hear from your friend. 486 00:24:33,958 --> 00:24:35,667 What do you wanna see out of this for them? 487 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:37,167 Pierre? 488 00:24:37,333 --> 00:24:40,208 - [Pierre] I'd like to see them in a house that functions, 489 00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:41,667 as it used to happen, 490 00:24:41,792 --> 00:24:44,208 we used to have great parties here and a lot of fun 491 00:24:44,375 --> 00:24:48,667 and it was a beautiful stylish home. 492 00:24:49,458 --> 00:24:51,417 Marjorie has a real decorating flare 493 00:24:51,542 --> 00:24:54,375 and it just got away from her. 494 00:24:54,542 --> 00:24:55,958 She brought in too much stuff to decorate 495 00:24:56,042 --> 00:24:57,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Mm hmm. 496 00:24:57,417 --> 00:25:00,500 and a lot of things she had ideas of where they would go 497 00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:01,792 and before she could get 'em there, 498 00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:03,333 they got buried under other things 499 00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:04,417 - Mm hmm. 500 00:25:04,542 --> 00:25:04,917 that were supposed to go somewhere. 501 00:25:05,042 --> 00:25:06,583 - Yeah. 502 00:25:06,708 --> 00:25:09,000 And now it's at a point where she just has to get rid of it. 503 00:25:10,417 --> 00:25:13,542 The value you guys are giving her to clean this place up 504 00:25:13,667 --> 00:25:16,542 far outweighs any value of what's in there. 505 00:25:16,708 --> 00:25:18,583 - [Dr. Tolin] Jan and Ceci, what are your hopes 506 00:25:18,708 --> 00:25:21,542 for what we can accomplish over these next few days? 507 00:25:21,708 --> 00:25:25,833 - I would love to sit in your home and have a party 508 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,708 and enjoy all the beautiful things that you have. 509 00:25:28,833 --> 00:25:30,750 And we're gonna find the most beautiful ones 510 00:25:30,875 --> 00:25:33,625 and make sure that they have a place for display 511 00:25:33,708 --> 00:25:37,000 because you have so many nice things 512 00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:40,667 and I'd like the opportunity to see them. 513 00:25:40,750 --> 00:25:42,083 - [Dr. Tolin] Thank you, Ceci. Jan. 514 00:25:42,208 --> 00:25:46,167 - [Jan] I'd like to see them have a little peace of mind 515 00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:48,833 because I feel like their home can be very comfortable. 516 00:25:48,958 --> 00:25:52,333 I know that it was for a long time 517 00:25:52,458 --> 00:25:53,875 before you made all these additions 518 00:25:54,042 --> 00:25:58,625 and I feel like your healthy mind and a healthy heart 519 00:25:58,750 --> 00:26:02,000 and a healthy body will contribute to all of that. 520 00:26:02,125 --> 00:26:05,167 And I think you are wonderful people. 521 00:26:05,292 --> 00:26:06,333 And I really wanna see you 522 00:26:06,458 --> 00:26:07,917 have your wonderful environment back. 523 00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:11,208 - Thank you. - You're welcome. 524 00:26:11,333 --> 00:26:13,458 - [Dr. Tolin] So Cory, what's the plan for today. 525 00:26:13,542 --> 00:26:14,833 - [Cory] We need to start by making some room. 526 00:26:14,917 --> 00:26:17,333 So I know I talk to you Marjorie about the backyard 527 00:26:17,417 --> 00:26:18,333 - Mm hmm. 528 00:26:18,458 --> 00:26:19,750 and you said we could start there 529 00:26:19,875 --> 00:26:21,625 and kind of clear up some of that debris back there. 530 00:26:21,708 --> 00:26:22,667 So I think we need to go back there 531 00:26:22,792 --> 00:26:23,833 and make some quick decisions 532 00:26:23,917 --> 00:26:25,333 so we can get our tables set up. 533 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:27,292 Some tarp set up to make a sorting area. 534 00:26:27,375 --> 00:26:28,792 Does that sound good? - Wonderful. 535 00:26:28,875 --> 00:26:30,958 - Okay, are you guys ready to get started in the backyard? 536 00:26:31,083 --> 00:26:31,875 - [All] Yeah. 537 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,250 - [Cory] All right, let's go. Go! 538 00:26:33,375 --> 00:26:35,083 (upbeat music) 539 00:26:41,167 --> 00:26:42,958 - [Marjorie] I really will decide quick, Cory. 540 00:26:43,083 --> 00:26:45,333 I promise you that and I want to show that to you. 541 00:26:45,417 --> 00:26:46,625 - Yeah. 542 00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:47,875 These were things I actually wanted to save, 543 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,708 but nobody covered it up properly. 544 00:26:49,833 --> 00:26:52,750 This upsets me because I paid somebody 545 00:26:52,875 --> 00:26:56,125 four hours to work with me about four months ago, 546 00:26:56,208 --> 00:26:58,417 sort and cover up. 547 00:26:58,542 --> 00:27:01,958 And now the things I sorted and covered up are damaged. 548 00:27:02,042 --> 00:27:04,583 - [Cory] Yes, so what did you learn from that? 549 00:27:04,708 --> 00:27:06,750 - [Marjorie] That you can't depend on people. 550 00:27:06,875 --> 00:27:09,833 - [Cory] But what about keeping stuff in your backyard, 551 00:27:09,917 --> 00:27:11,042 is that the best place? 552 00:27:11,208 --> 00:27:12,500 - [Marjorie] I had no place to put it 553 00:27:12,583 --> 00:27:14,500 because he also didn't clean out the damn shed. 554 00:27:14,583 --> 00:27:17,125 So I could direct him to put it there 555 00:27:17,208 --> 00:27:19,500 instead of here and cover it up temporarily. 556 00:27:19,583 --> 00:27:20,833 - [Cory] I hear you blaming others, 557 00:27:20,917 --> 00:27:22,167 but at the end of the day it's your stuff. 558 00:27:22,292 --> 00:27:24,000 - [Marjorie] I blame others for their ineptness 559 00:27:24,125 --> 00:27:26,667 and their lack of following directions 560 00:27:26,750 --> 00:27:28,583 and their lack of follow through. 561 00:27:28,708 --> 00:27:30,333 - [Dr. Tolin] But now we have some decisions to make. 562 00:27:30,417 --> 00:27:32,250 - I'm going to. - To go forward. 563 00:27:32,375 --> 00:27:34,000 So how much stuff do you think you want to hang onto 564 00:27:34,125 --> 00:27:35,833 in this side yard and how much stuff you wanna- 565 00:27:35,958 --> 00:27:37,333 - [Marjorie] I don't know what it is for sure 566 00:27:37,458 --> 00:27:39,792 till you pull it out and I will quickly make a decision, 567 00:27:39,875 --> 00:27:42,375 but my question is, can it, 568 00:27:42,542 --> 00:27:45,958 at some point go in that building? 569 00:27:46,083 --> 00:27:48,292 You gotta make some room in that building. 570 00:27:48,417 --> 00:27:49,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Well, here's where 571 00:27:49,458 --> 00:27:51,167 I would challenge you a little bit, Marjorie. 572 00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:54,167 Our aim is not to come here and just move your stuff around. 573 00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:56,417 You have too much stuff 574 00:27:56,542 --> 00:27:58,167 and that's what's endangering you and Irv. 575 00:27:58,250 --> 00:28:01,083 And you're gonna have to let go of things. 576 00:28:01,208 --> 00:28:03,583 - [Cory] Let's do the work as you want to do it. 577 00:28:03,708 --> 00:28:05,000 And let's see what we're left with. 578 00:28:05,083 --> 00:28:06,000 Can we do that? 579 00:28:06,083 --> 00:28:07,542 - Thank you. - Okay, let's go for it. 580 00:28:07,708 --> 00:28:09,167 - [Cory] Let's just start with this stuff on top. 581 00:28:09,250 --> 00:28:10,792 - [Marjorie] Okay. Uh huh. 582 00:28:12,125 --> 00:28:13,875 - [Cory] Why are you even gonna look at that? 583 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,208 Go ahead. 584 00:28:15,333 --> 00:28:17,667 - [Marjorie] Because it's a LED flameless candle, 585 00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:19,125 that is probably just fine in there. 586 00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:21,083 You put a battery in it. It's useful. 587 00:28:21,208 --> 00:28:22,125 - [Cory] Do you want it? 588 00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:24,375 Does that bother you? - It bothers me. 589 00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:25,458 - Do you wanna donate it? - No. 590 00:28:25,583 --> 00:28:27,500 - I want you to give us a real answer. 591 00:28:27,583 --> 00:28:28,500 - No. - Okay. 592 00:28:28,667 --> 00:28:29,667 - [Marjorie] Please. Thank you. 593 00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:32,792 This is keep. - And what's that keep for? 594 00:28:33,875 --> 00:28:34,958 What are you gonna use this for? 595 00:28:35,042 --> 00:28:36,250 - [Marjorie] In my kitchen. In my kitchen. 596 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:37,667 - [Dr. Tolin] Can I just take a quick peek at that? 597 00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:38,875 - [Marjorie] Uh huh. - I mean, so Marjorie, 598 00:28:39,042 --> 00:28:41,083 this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. 599 00:28:41,208 --> 00:28:42,125 I'm wondering, 600 00:28:42,250 --> 00:28:44,167 is it in your best interest to save this 601 00:28:44,333 --> 00:28:46,000 given what you and Irv are trying to accomplish? 602 00:28:46,125 --> 00:28:48,750 - Yes, it is because this will encourage me 603 00:28:48,875 --> 00:28:51,167 when I'm feeling well and have access to my kitchen 604 00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:54,875 to make a healthy vegetable salad in aspect 605 00:28:55,042 --> 00:28:56,833 and have that for dinner someday. 606 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:58,750 Okay. Let's keep going. 607 00:28:58,875 --> 00:29:01,458 It is a barbecue cover. - Do you have a barbecue? 608 00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:06,833 - Um...Huh? - Nobody's gonna clean it up. 609 00:29:06,958 --> 00:29:08,208 - [Marjorie] If it will function in the yard, 610 00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:09,917 you could put lawn chairs together and put it over. 611 00:29:10,042 --> 00:29:11,625 - [Dr. Tolin] I think what's happening, Marjorie, 612 00:29:11,708 --> 00:29:13,667 is you're finding reasons to hang on to stuff. 613 00:29:13,833 --> 00:29:15,625 - [Marjorie] No, these things can be repurposed. 614 00:29:15,708 --> 00:29:18,000 - Yeah. But- - As is, 615 00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:19,708 it doesn't have to be clean. - Marjorie, 616 00:29:19,833 --> 00:29:21,583 come back and think- - It's not ripped. 617 00:29:21,708 --> 00:29:23,083 - [Dr. Tolin] All right, Marjorie, 618 00:29:23,208 --> 00:29:24,708 come back and think about the crisis that we're in. 619 00:29:24,833 --> 00:29:26,792 - [Marjorie] Look at this. - Yeah. 620 00:29:26,917 --> 00:29:29,833 But you could set this aside in two minutes 621 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,458 instead of discussing it. 622 00:29:31,583 --> 00:29:32,750 - [Cory] We're here to, 623 00:29:32,875 --> 00:29:33,792 the discussion is part of the process here. 624 00:29:33,917 --> 00:29:35,250 - [Marjorie] Up front please. 625 00:29:36,500 --> 00:29:37,625 - [Dr. Tolin] My concern Marjorie 626 00:29:37,708 --> 00:29:39,833 is that you're hanging on garbage. 627 00:29:39,958 --> 00:29:44,000 And I think that you just don't wanna let go of it. 628 00:29:44,083 --> 00:29:46,083 - [Marjorie] I can't control your thoughts, 629 00:29:46,208 --> 00:29:49,917 but I can control this situation. 630 00:29:50,042 --> 00:29:52,833 - I think you're trying to exert a level of control 631 00:29:52,958 --> 00:29:54,167 that maybe isn't very healthy for you. 632 00:29:55,708 --> 00:29:58,167 But what's happening here is you're hanging on to things 633 00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:59,750 that most people would consider to be junk. 634 00:29:59,875 --> 00:30:01,542 And I don't think that it's healthy 635 00:30:01,708 --> 00:30:03,583 or in your best interest to do that. 636 00:30:03,708 --> 00:30:05,667 Marjorie seems to be downplaying 637 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:06,833 the significance of the problem. 638 00:30:07,167 --> 00:30:08,333 I think we need to recognize 639 00:30:08,417 --> 00:30:10,875 that this is a really serious hoarding problem 640 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,292 and it's enough that she and her husband 641 00:30:13,375 --> 00:30:14,750 are not able to be safe. 642 00:30:14,875 --> 00:30:17,167 Unless she wakes up to that fact, 643 00:30:17,292 --> 00:30:18,625 I'm not sure we're gonna get very far. 644 00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:19,917 (intense music) 645 00:30:23,917 --> 00:30:25,250 (intense music) 646 00:30:33,375 --> 00:30:34,167 - [Marjorie] Keep. 647 00:30:35,625 --> 00:30:36,375 Keep. 648 00:30:38,042 --> 00:30:40,875 (intense music) 649 00:30:44,167 --> 00:30:45,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Irv I'm interested 650 00:30:45,417 --> 00:30:46,833 in getting your perspective on this as well. 651 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,750 We're I think having a little bit of a struggle 652 00:30:48,875 --> 00:30:51,167 in the sense that Marjorie seems to be hanging on 653 00:30:51,292 --> 00:30:52,208 to a lot of things 654 00:30:53,458 --> 00:30:54,500 and Marjorie, tell me if I'm getting it right. 655 00:30:54,667 --> 00:30:56,667 You're hanging onto a lot of things 656 00:30:56,792 --> 00:30:57,708 that you think you might use later 657 00:30:57,875 --> 00:30:59,000 and hanging onto a lot of things 658 00:30:59,125 --> 00:31:00,625 that you think might be donatable, 659 00:31:00,708 --> 00:31:05,167 but ultimately not a whole lot is actually being discarded. 660 00:31:05,292 --> 00:31:07,958 But I just wanted to see sort of Irv what you thought is 661 00:31:08,042 --> 00:31:09,750 about this stuff on this side of the yard. 662 00:31:09,875 --> 00:31:16,583 - [Irv] Yeah, I did expect more of it to be gone. 663 00:31:18,042 --> 00:31:19,708 - [Cory] What we're trying to point out 664 00:31:19,833 --> 00:31:22,125 is I don't see things like this useful 665 00:31:22,208 --> 00:31:25,083 and she wanted to make a salad for you guys in this, 666 00:31:26,208 --> 00:31:28,167 and that I don't think is realistic. 667 00:31:28,292 --> 00:31:30,167 Do you think that's realistic? 668 00:31:32,958 --> 00:31:35,042 - [Irv] I don't see a time 669 00:31:35,167 --> 00:31:39,375 where that would be helpful to us. 670 00:31:40,542 --> 00:31:41,667 - [Marjorie] All I said was, 671 00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:43,083 I can see when my kitchen is clean 672 00:31:43,208 --> 00:31:45,500 and I'm feeling better and accessible that I can make 673 00:31:45,667 --> 00:31:49,708 a very healthy vegetable Jello salad in that for us. 674 00:31:49,833 --> 00:31:51,333 - [Dr. Tolin] You can, 675 00:31:51,458 --> 00:31:54,833 but does that mean you should keep it? 676 00:31:54,917 --> 00:31:57,417 You might need to let go of that idea, Marjorie. 677 00:31:57,542 --> 00:32:00,750 - [Marjorie] So I just have to use one bowl 678 00:32:00,875 --> 00:32:02,583 for mixing, preparing, - Oh come on. 679 00:32:02,708 --> 00:32:04,042 - [Marjorie] a mold, everything. 680 00:32:04,167 --> 00:32:06,000 I'm already trying to multipurpose my kitchen. 681 00:32:06,125 --> 00:32:06,875 - [Dr. Tolin] Don't think here in any danger 682 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,292 of us leaving you with one bowl. 683 00:32:09,375 --> 00:32:11,625 (calm music) 684 00:32:11,708 --> 00:32:13,833 You have to do things differently. 685 00:32:13,958 --> 00:32:15,667 You can't keep trying to do things the same way 686 00:32:15,792 --> 00:32:17,417 and expect a different result. 687 00:32:21,375 --> 00:32:25,417 - [Irv] If we have had this stuff for that long 688 00:32:25,542 --> 00:32:31,333 and haven't used it or can't even remember what it is, 689 00:32:31,875 --> 00:32:34,333 we obviously don't need it. - Exactly. 690 00:32:34,458 --> 00:32:36,917 - We should get rid of it. - Amen. 691 00:32:38,417 --> 00:32:43,542 - I know that you see the value in a whole lot of stuff, 692 00:32:44,625 --> 00:32:50,208 but is anybody else going to see that value in- 693 00:32:50,375 --> 00:32:52,042 - [Marjorie] Right now, - Uh huh. 694 00:32:52,208 --> 00:32:54,333 I see the value in these things 695 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:59,667 more than 90% of the people I've met in the last few years. 696 00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:01,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Right, Marjorie I want you to recognize 697 00:33:01,417 --> 00:33:03,333 that as a problem, (Marjorie laughs) 698 00:33:03,458 --> 00:33:05,708 not as a strength, that's a problem. 699 00:33:08,125 --> 00:33:10,042 - [Marjorie] I ask for you to set aside 700 00:33:10,167 --> 00:33:12,750 quality cooking items, that is an insulated cookie tray. 701 00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:14,000 - [Cory] Well, again, 702 00:33:14,125 --> 00:33:16,000 our definition of quality is gonna differ. 703 00:33:16,083 --> 00:33:18,542 - [Marjorie] I can clean that up in five minutes. 704 00:33:18,708 --> 00:33:19,708 - Yes. - You can. 705 00:33:19,833 --> 00:33:21,458 - [Cory] Times a million other things. 706 00:33:21,542 --> 00:33:23,208 - [Marjorie] Just think of how much stuff 707 00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:24,708 that you already have, Marjorie. 708 00:33:26,583 --> 00:33:29,458 - This is hard, I know it is. - [Cory] It is. 709 00:33:29,542 --> 00:33:31,167 And this is the part that we don't like, 710 00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:33,750 but it's the part that's so important that when we leave, 711 00:33:33,875 --> 00:33:35,292 we know you're thinking differently 712 00:33:35,417 --> 00:33:36,750 that we're not just - Thank you. 713 00:33:36,875 --> 00:33:37,667 - [Cory] saving all this stuff. 714 00:33:37,792 --> 00:33:39,208 We're not trying to be mean. 715 00:33:39,333 --> 00:33:41,167 We're not trying to be disrespectful 716 00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:44,042 or we're just trying to do what we do. 717 00:33:44,208 --> 00:33:46,500 And that's help people that suffer from hoarding. 718 00:33:48,792 --> 00:33:52,208 - [Marjorie] That's a cat thing. That's a play for a cat. 719 00:33:52,917 --> 00:33:54,125 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie. - Yeah. 720 00:33:54,208 --> 00:33:57,000 - Can I offer a- - This is perfectly workable. 721 00:33:57,083 --> 00:33:59,000 - [Dr. Tolin] So can I offer a challenge, Marjorie. 722 00:33:59,167 --> 00:34:02,333 - Certainly. - Throw all this away. 723 00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:06,500 - Come on. - You don't need this. 724 00:34:06,625 --> 00:34:09,292 This is all junk that's been sitting in waterlogged. 725 00:34:09,417 --> 00:34:11,000 - [Marjorie] They cost a lot of money. 726 00:34:12,458 --> 00:34:14,542 - [Dr. Tolin] You have a lot of strength, you're smart. 727 00:34:14,667 --> 00:34:17,625 You're intelligent, you're witty, you're friendly. 728 00:34:17,708 --> 00:34:19,208 You've got a lot going for you, 729 00:34:19,333 --> 00:34:21,750 but knowing what to save and what to let go of 730 00:34:21,875 --> 00:34:23,083 is not one of your strengths, 731 00:34:23,208 --> 00:34:26,000 so let people influence you, let people help you. 732 00:34:26,125 --> 00:34:28,542 (Marjorie mumbles) 733 00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:32,458 - [Cory] Marjorie your life is spent in your bed 734 00:34:32,542 --> 00:34:33,917 and all these plans that you have. 735 00:34:34,042 --> 00:34:37,125 We're just trying to get you into other rooms of your house. 736 00:34:37,208 --> 00:34:39,000 I want to give you a better life. 737 00:34:39,125 --> 00:34:40,792 And that's what we're trying to do. 738 00:34:41,708 --> 00:34:42,583 (Marjorie sighs) 739 00:34:44,875 --> 00:34:46,042 - [Irv] You can do it. 740 00:34:54,917 --> 00:34:58,083 - Okay, any cat things? - Yep. 741 00:34:58,208 --> 00:34:59,500 - And dog things. - Yep. 742 00:34:59,667 --> 00:35:04,000 - Right, housewares that are platters, dishes, 743 00:35:04,083 --> 00:35:06,083 whatever that can just be that washed. 744 00:35:06,208 --> 00:35:08,167 - [Cory] That are cleanable. - Right. 745 00:35:08,292 --> 00:35:10,000 - [Marjorie] Under that tarp towards the front, 746 00:35:10,125 --> 00:35:11,583 - Mm hmm. 747 00:35:11,708 --> 00:35:15,500 off the ground, I hope, is a large square file cabinet. 748 00:35:16,042 --> 00:35:17,875 - [Cory] We'll use those rules, okay. 749 00:35:18,042 --> 00:35:19,875 Everyone knows, pet stuff, kitchenware, 750 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,000 household things like that file cabinet 751 00:35:22,125 --> 00:35:23,417 stay on the tarps. 752 00:35:23,542 --> 00:35:25,333 Everything else can go outside of those rules 753 00:35:25,417 --> 00:35:27,333 unless you find something valuable or keys. 754 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:28,167 - Okay. 755 00:35:28,292 --> 00:35:31,167 (intense music) 756 00:35:51,375 --> 00:35:53,792 - [Cory] Our crews took the tarps off these two big piles. 757 00:35:53,875 --> 00:35:58,292 What about these two like saw horses with the steel on top. 758 00:35:58,375 --> 00:35:59,542 - Saw horses have to stay 759 00:35:59,708 --> 00:36:02,208 because they're very useful everywhere. 760 00:36:02,375 --> 00:36:05,500 This at one time was a pot rack in my kitchen. 761 00:36:05,583 --> 00:36:08,542 And now I would like to use it out here, 762 00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:10,000 somewhere in the yard. 763 00:36:10,125 --> 00:36:13,000 This can be folded down. - But it's keep? 764 00:36:13,083 --> 00:36:14,208 - [Marjorie] Mm-hmm. 765 00:36:19,375 --> 00:36:21,792 I think that's useful, I don't think it got wet. 766 00:36:21,917 --> 00:36:23,000 Keep. 767 00:36:23,125 --> 00:36:24,375 - [Cory] You don't think it got wet? 768 00:36:24,542 --> 00:36:26,292 - [Marjorie] It was under a tarp, it didn't get soaked. 769 00:36:26,375 --> 00:36:27,667 How's that? - Keep. 770 00:36:27,792 --> 00:36:30,750 - [Marjorie] Okay, the Plexiglas thing sticking out. 771 00:36:30,875 --> 00:36:32,042 - Yeah. - May I have that? 772 00:36:32,208 --> 00:36:33,792 - [Marjorie] What do you want that for. 773 00:36:36,083 --> 00:36:39,500 - [Marjorie] Now if I have my beautiful tall ceiling cleared 774 00:36:39,625 --> 00:36:40,917 - Mm hmm. 775 00:36:41,042 --> 00:36:44,167 I get a drill, I clean these up and this becomes a mobile. 776 00:36:44,292 --> 00:36:45,875 (Cory sighs) This is an art project. 777 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,000 Sorry, please. 778 00:36:47,125 --> 00:36:48,750 No, no, no debate on that one. 779 00:36:48,875 --> 00:36:50,333 You'll find six or eight more. 780 00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:52,167 - Marjorie. - I'm sorry. 781 00:36:52,292 --> 00:36:53,500 No debate on that one sir. 782 00:36:53,583 --> 00:36:54,333 - [Dr. Tolin] I'm not looking to debate you, 783 00:36:54,458 --> 00:36:56,708 but you're hanging on to trash. 784 00:36:56,833 --> 00:36:58,167 - [Marjorie] No, I'm sorry. 785 00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:59,625 - [Dr. Tolin] And I think you need to kind of see it 786 00:36:59,708 --> 00:37:00,250 from this perspective. 787 00:37:00,375 --> 00:37:01,667 - [Marjorie] No, no. 788 00:37:01,833 --> 00:37:03,292 - [Dr. Tolin] You're about to have hip surgery. 789 00:37:03,417 --> 00:37:04,750 I don't think you're actually going to make a mobile 790 00:37:04,875 --> 00:37:06,250 out of this stuff. 791 00:37:06,375 --> 00:37:07,708 I think this is gonna continue to be clutter in your home 792 00:37:07,833 --> 00:37:08,917 that's gonna be in your way. 793 00:37:09,042 --> 00:37:12,583 - [Marjorie] I will not give that up. 794 00:37:12,708 --> 00:37:14,042 Thank you. 795 00:37:14,167 --> 00:37:16,375 - [Dr. Tolin] What do you think about that, Jan and Pierre? 796 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:17,667 - [Marjorie] They don't take up much space, Jan. 797 00:37:17,792 --> 00:37:19,292 - [Jan] I think that it'll probably get done 798 00:37:19,417 --> 00:37:21,750 in 20 years if that, 799 00:37:21,875 --> 00:37:23,875 I think it'll be a long time coming before she gets to that. 800 00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:25,542 - [Dr. Tolin] What do you think is gonna happen here Pierre? 801 00:37:25,667 --> 00:37:27,167 What do you think is gonna happen? 802 00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:28,167 - [Pierre] I think it's gonna go into a pile 803 00:37:28,333 --> 00:37:29,625 and stay there for the next 20 years. 804 00:37:29,708 --> 00:37:31,167 - [Dr. Tolin] That's my concern as well. 805 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:34,000 You're hanging onto things because of projects 806 00:37:34,083 --> 00:37:35,667 that you think you're going to get to. 807 00:37:35,833 --> 00:37:37,958 And I don't think you're gonna get to them. 808 00:37:40,125 --> 00:37:41,000 I don't know if I'm gonna be able 809 00:37:41,083 --> 00:37:42,500 to get through to Marjorie. 810 00:37:42,583 --> 00:37:45,583 She's very controlling and she really wants to maintain 811 00:37:45,708 --> 00:37:49,958 tight control over not just the process of the clean out, 812 00:37:50,083 --> 00:37:51,958 but the people including me. 813 00:37:53,625 --> 00:37:55,708 - [Marjorie] But I can't talk to you and watch this. Okay. 814 00:37:55,875 --> 00:37:57,333 - [Dr. Tolin] That's right. So don't watch that, talk to me. 815 00:37:57,458 --> 00:37:58,750 They've all stopped. 816 00:37:58,875 --> 00:38:00,208 - Yeah. They've all stopped. - They've all stopped. 817 00:38:00,333 --> 00:38:01,458 - [Marjorie] Then nothing gets done. 818 00:38:01,583 --> 00:38:02,208 - [Dr. Tolin] What getting done is right here 819 00:38:02,333 --> 00:38:03,500 between you and me, Marjorie. 820 00:38:03,625 --> 00:38:04,875 That's what's getting done. 821 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,500 You and I obviously need to talk about your process 822 00:38:07,667 --> 00:38:10,125 because you're hanging onto things for, 823 00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:12,083 I think the wrong reasons. 824 00:38:12,583 --> 00:38:14,625 That's been the story of your life so far, 825 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:17,125 is that you have all these great ideas, great plans, 826 00:38:17,208 --> 00:38:18,417 great aspirations, 827 00:38:18,542 --> 00:38:21,083 and not the capacity to follow through with them. 828 00:38:21,208 --> 00:38:24,750 So it all just piles up and we need to reverse that process. 829 00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:28,500 If Marjorie doesn't change her perspective, 830 00:38:28,625 --> 00:38:30,792 if she doesn't radically change her behavior, 831 00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:33,667 then we're not gonna make very much progress here. 832 00:38:33,792 --> 00:38:36,875 And we're certainly not gonna have long term stability 833 00:38:37,042 --> 00:38:37,875 and safety in the home. 834 00:38:39,125 --> 00:38:40,542 We can't have this keep going. 835 00:38:41,375 --> 00:38:43,292 You've gotta let go, Marjorie. 836 00:38:47,417 --> 00:38:49,833 (intense music) 837 00:38:53,250 --> 00:38:55,000 (truck beeping) 838 00:38:55,125 --> 00:38:59,708 - This is the first time I've ever spent all day in a yard 839 00:38:59,833 --> 00:39:01,667 just trying to get an area set up for a table 840 00:39:01,792 --> 00:39:03,625 that we can organize the stuff coming outta the house. 841 00:39:03,708 --> 00:39:06,417 So we're already way behind the curve at this point. 842 00:39:11,458 --> 00:39:12,833 Morning, you guys. - Good morning. 843 00:39:12,917 --> 00:39:15,417 - [Cory] How is everyone feeling after the first day. 844 00:39:15,542 --> 00:39:18,333 - A bit tired. - Still? 845 00:39:19,458 --> 00:39:20,917 - [Dr. Tolin] You had a long day. 846 00:39:21,042 --> 00:39:23,708 What happened after we left with the two donation people? 847 00:39:23,833 --> 00:39:26,542 - [Marjorie] My friend that I've known for 20 years, 848 00:39:26,667 --> 00:39:29,542 who's very reliable was just a little late, 849 00:39:29,667 --> 00:39:30,875 but she brought her husband 850 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,292 and they took mass quantities of things. 851 00:39:33,417 --> 00:39:35,167 - [Cory] Mm hmm. - [Irv] Cages, carriers. 852 00:39:35,292 --> 00:39:37,333 - [Marjorie] She took that large dog cage, 853 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:39,375 a lot of the big stuff. 854 00:39:39,500 --> 00:39:44,333 The cat carriers, all the bowls, all the paraphernalia. 855 00:39:44,417 --> 00:39:46,583 - [Cory] And what about the refugee place? 856 00:39:46,708 --> 00:39:49,292 - [Marjorie] They took about six boxes. 857 00:39:49,375 --> 00:39:50,375 - [Cory] Okay. 858 00:39:50,542 --> 00:39:53,083 And you feel okay with the stuff gone? 859 00:39:53,208 --> 00:39:56,000 As long as it finds a home where it's gonna be used. 860 00:39:56,083 --> 00:39:57,583 you are okay with that. - No, I'm so happy. 861 00:39:57,708 --> 00:40:00,708 But in identifying for the people 862 00:40:00,833 --> 00:40:03,000 who picked things up last night, 863 00:40:03,083 --> 00:40:06,708 I see missing lids and such, 864 00:40:06,875 --> 00:40:10,292 and yesterday, your people didn't identify lids 865 00:40:10,417 --> 00:40:11,625 that went to matching things. 866 00:40:11,708 --> 00:40:13,458 - [Cory] Sending stuff to a charity 867 00:40:13,542 --> 00:40:15,333 that might not have a lid. 868 00:40:15,417 --> 00:40:17,625 Is that a bigger deal than cleaning your house 869 00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:19,375 and making it safe for you and your husband? 870 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:20,667 Is that really what you wanna focus 871 00:40:20,833 --> 00:40:22,417 your anger and everything on, 872 00:40:22,542 --> 00:40:24,333 or do you want to get your house cleared 873 00:40:24,417 --> 00:40:25,500 so that you can have your surgery 874 00:40:25,583 --> 00:40:26,708 and you guys can have home health, 875 00:40:26,833 --> 00:40:30,125 home care, space to move, have people over, 876 00:40:30,208 --> 00:40:31,625 the more important things in life. 877 00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:33,583 - [Marjorie] It's not anger or even a priority, 878 00:40:33,708 --> 00:40:36,083 it was an observation. 879 00:40:36,208 --> 00:40:37,333 - [Cory] But one worth bringing up. 880 00:40:37,458 --> 00:40:40,333 Instead of saying, "Wow, you guys did amazing. 881 00:40:40,458 --> 00:40:42,250 I'm really excited for today. 882 00:40:42,375 --> 00:40:44,042 And what you guys can do in the house." 883 00:40:44,208 --> 00:40:47,125 I will promise you right now that mistakes will be made. 884 00:40:47,208 --> 00:40:48,583 There's no way we are gonna touch 885 00:40:48,708 --> 00:40:51,458 tens of thousands of things and mistakes won't be made. 886 00:40:51,542 --> 00:40:52,708 I can assure you that. 887 00:40:52,875 --> 00:40:54,167 I wish I could promise you different. 888 00:40:54,292 --> 00:40:55,917 I can't, it's not possible. 889 00:40:56,042 --> 00:40:58,333 Just like, you know there's just so much going on. 890 00:40:58,458 --> 00:41:00,833 It's impossible to not have mistakes made. 891 00:41:02,125 --> 00:41:03,000 Okay. We try our best. 892 00:41:03,083 --> 00:41:03,958 I promise we do. 893 00:41:04,917 --> 00:41:05,625 We really do. 894 00:41:05,708 --> 00:41:07,042 But at the end of the day, 895 00:41:07,208 --> 00:41:10,667 this is about you and your safety, not the refugees, 896 00:41:10,792 --> 00:41:13,417 not the cat rescue getting a complete set of something. 897 00:41:13,542 --> 00:41:15,417 And I apologize if that's gonna wear on you, 898 00:41:15,542 --> 00:41:18,583 but it's just not our priority. 899 00:41:18,708 --> 00:41:23,792 You are, Irv is, your house is, not a lid. 900 00:41:23,917 --> 00:41:24,958 Dr. Tolin, what do you think about 901 00:41:25,042 --> 00:41:26,500 just kinda what you're hearing and... 902 00:41:26,667 --> 00:41:27,542 - [Dr. Tolin] You know, I'm really interested 903 00:41:27,667 --> 00:41:28,833 in the process here. 904 00:41:28,958 --> 00:41:31,583 How good of a job would you say you're doing? 905 00:41:33,083 --> 00:41:35,958 - [Marjorie] Much less than you want, but as best I can do. 906 00:41:36,042 --> 00:41:38,333 - [Dr. Tolin] It's not what I want, Marjorie. 907 00:41:38,417 --> 00:41:42,208 - [Marjorie] Not as much as would be optimum 908 00:41:42,333 --> 00:41:43,708 for your outcome and... 909 00:41:43,833 --> 00:41:44,917 - [Dr. Tolin] Not my outcome, Marjorie. 910 00:41:45,042 --> 00:41:47,167 It's not my outcome, it's not my process. 911 00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:48,333 This is not my home. 912 00:41:48,417 --> 00:41:49,583 - Okay? 913 00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:51,708 - We're not here for us. 914 00:41:51,833 --> 00:41:55,458 This is not about us and this is not about making us happy. 915 00:41:55,583 --> 00:41:58,542 This is about trying to help you as best we can. 916 00:41:58,667 --> 00:42:01,500 - [Irv] I think you all are doing the best you can 917 00:42:01,625 --> 00:42:04,500 in this situation. 918 00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:09,542 This might get me in trouble, 919 00:42:09,667 --> 00:42:14,333 but Marjorie needs to be in control. 920 00:42:14,458 --> 00:42:15,667 - Mmm 921 00:42:15,792 --> 00:42:19,125 And she's finding herself in a position 922 00:42:19,208 --> 00:42:23,333 where she can't be in charge, but she's still fighting. 923 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:24,500 - [Dr. Tolin] Yeah. 924 00:42:26,208 --> 00:42:27,500 Pierre and Jan, 925 00:42:27,625 --> 00:42:29,500 I mean, what's your reflection on how things are going. 926 00:42:29,667 --> 00:42:32,542 - [Jan] I wonder if Marjorie, 927 00:42:32,667 --> 00:42:35,208 if you find your self worth in all of the stuff 928 00:42:35,375 --> 00:42:36,500 that surrounds you? 929 00:42:37,667 --> 00:42:39,167 But you're so much more than that, 930 00:42:39,292 --> 00:42:42,500 I feel you is so much more than all this stuff. 931 00:42:42,583 --> 00:42:45,042 You're everything right here, right in your heart. 932 00:42:45,167 --> 00:42:49,458 And I really wish that you could put yourself first, 933 00:42:49,583 --> 00:42:51,667 and see that you can help people more, 934 00:42:51,792 --> 00:42:53,250 more often and better. 935 00:42:53,375 --> 00:42:56,833 If you could have a cleaner home and have people over 936 00:42:56,917 --> 00:42:58,833 and say, "Hey, I just found this at the thrift store. 937 00:42:58,958 --> 00:43:00,583 Why don't you come over and take a look at it? 938 00:43:00,708 --> 00:43:02,792 I think you'll really like it. (Marjorie laughs) 939 00:43:02,917 --> 00:43:05,000 And you can follow up, if you have more space, 940 00:43:05,083 --> 00:43:07,625 you can follow up on the things that you have planned. 941 00:43:09,208 --> 00:43:10,708 - [Dr. Tolin] Pierre, what's your sense of things? 942 00:43:10,875 --> 00:43:13,000 - [Pierre] Well, I went home last night 943 00:43:13,125 --> 00:43:16,917 and thought about what we accomplished yesterday 944 00:43:17,375 --> 00:43:18,542 and we accomplished very little. 945 00:43:19,958 --> 00:43:23,875 Everything outside that had been exposed was trash. 946 00:43:24,042 --> 00:43:26,833 I don't know what's gonna happen inside 947 00:43:26,917 --> 00:43:29,750 where things have been somewhat protected. 948 00:43:29,875 --> 00:43:32,125 You've got all these people standing here 949 00:43:32,208 --> 00:43:35,000 willing to go in and clean this house out. 950 00:43:35,167 --> 00:43:36,167 They have cleaners. 951 00:43:36,292 --> 00:43:37,667 They have organizers. 952 00:43:37,833 --> 00:43:41,375 They have people that have gone through this stuff before. 953 00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,667 Trust them, tell them, 954 00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:46,375 "Look, if it's worth anything, put it here. 955 00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,208 If it's worth that, put it here." 956 00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:53,250 If we don't get the downstairs totally cleaned out today, 957 00:43:54,083 --> 00:43:55,833 it's a waste. 958 00:43:55,958 --> 00:43:58,125 You gotta get the complete downstairs. 959 00:43:58,250 --> 00:44:01,125 We should have had the whole yard cleaned out, 960 00:44:01,250 --> 00:44:05,667 raked up, perfect by yesterday, the whole downstairs today, 961 00:44:05,792 --> 00:44:07,875 garage and upstairs tomorrow, 962 00:44:08,042 --> 00:44:11,792 the last day is cleaning and detail stuff. 963 00:44:11,875 --> 00:44:14,083 You are on a schedule. 964 00:44:14,208 --> 00:44:17,125 If you blow it today, it's blown. 965 00:44:17,208 --> 00:44:18,833 They won't come back. 966 00:44:18,917 --> 00:44:21,417 I'm not coming back to move stuff. 967 00:44:21,542 --> 00:44:23,792 Please, we're pleading with you. 968 00:44:23,875 --> 00:44:26,833 And it's not for us, I'm not doing this for myself. 969 00:44:26,958 --> 00:44:29,875 I've taken my all these days off. 970 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,750 I'm here to help you two. 971 00:44:32,875 --> 00:44:35,167 Please let us help you. 972 00:44:36,375 --> 00:44:39,750 First trust the people that are sorting it, 973 00:44:39,875 --> 00:44:41,750 that they know what is a value. 974 00:44:41,875 --> 00:44:43,750 Second trust your friend, 975 00:44:43,875 --> 00:44:45,708 that she could be a second set of eyes 976 00:44:45,833 --> 00:44:47,458 to really put things aside. 977 00:44:47,542 --> 00:44:50,750 Use the value of the people here. 978 00:44:50,875 --> 00:44:52,667 You have thousands and thousands of dollars 979 00:44:52,833 --> 00:44:57,292 of resource in front of you. 980 00:44:57,417 --> 00:45:01,458 Don't let it go, please, please. 981 00:45:01,542 --> 00:45:03,125 Okay. I'm sorry. 982 00:45:03,250 --> 00:45:05,083 But boy, I got worked up last night. 983 00:45:05,208 --> 00:45:06,458 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, your reaction? 984 00:45:06,583 --> 00:45:09,333 Pierre just really poured his heart out. 985 00:45:09,458 --> 00:45:12,375 And clearly he's got some very strong opinions on this 986 00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:18,125 and I'm interested in your sense of about what he said? 987 00:45:18,208 --> 00:45:21,833 - [Marjorie] I don't think that he has an understanding of 988 00:45:21,917 --> 00:45:26,958 bits and pieces that he's heard me talk to people about. 989 00:45:28,042 --> 00:45:30,333 He doesn't have the experience that I've had. 990 00:45:31,458 --> 00:45:36,125 And I mean, this is minutia. 991 00:45:36,250 --> 00:45:37,208 This is a waste. 992 00:45:38,875 --> 00:45:42,250 But yesterday, one of your staff, there were two. 993 00:45:42,375 --> 00:45:43,375 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, 994 00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:45,833 we're talking about Pierre and what he just said. 995 00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:48,667 - [Pierre] You're getting hungry up on little tiny things. 996 00:45:48,750 --> 00:45:49,792 - [Dr. Tolin] Yeah. 997 00:45:49,875 --> 00:45:50,958 Think of the big picture - Excuse me. 998 00:45:51,042 --> 00:45:52,833 - [Pierre] You gotta get your life together. 999 00:45:54,375 --> 00:45:55,958 - [Dr. Tolin] I was really happy to hear Pierre 1000 00:45:56,042 --> 00:45:58,500 tell it like it is, he didn't hold back. 1001 00:45:58,625 --> 00:45:59,833 And I appreciate that. 1002 00:45:59,917 --> 00:46:02,125 This is not the time to pussyfoot around. 1003 00:46:02,208 --> 00:46:05,500 This is the time to let Marjorie know the stakes. 1004 00:46:05,667 --> 00:46:08,042 - [Irv] Sounded like an evangelist. 1005 00:46:08,208 --> 00:46:10,958 - [Pierre] Oh man, if this goes away, 1006 00:46:11,042 --> 00:46:13,250 if you blow this opportunity... 1007 00:46:14,417 --> 00:46:15,250 Please. 1008 00:46:28,417 --> 00:46:32,000 - Sadly things around me, just sort of give me a cave. 1009 00:46:34,042 --> 00:46:36,000 I just want to sort of cocoon here. 1010 00:46:38,167 --> 00:46:40,792 - [Irv] Almost feels like I'm bedridden, 1011 00:46:40,917 --> 00:46:43,958 because this is it. 1012 00:46:44,042 --> 00:46:45,708 - [Dr. Tolin] How do you think this all happened? 1013 00:46:45,875 --> 00:46:48,292 - [Irv] Things came in and they didn't go out. 1014 00:46:50,708 --> 00:46:52,458 - [Dr. Tolin] My concern Marjorie is 1015 00:46:52,542 --> 00:46:53,708 that you're hanging on garbage. 1016 00:46:53,875 --> 00:46:55,833 - [Marjorie] I can't control your thoughts, 1017 00:46:55,958 --> 00:46:59,417 but I can control this situation. 1018 00:47:01,458 --> 00:47:03,375 - [Dr. Tolin] This is not the time to pussyfoot around. 1019 00:47:03,500 --> 00:47:05,958 - [Pierre] You've got all these people standing here 1020 00:47:06,042 --> 00:47:09,458 willing to go in and clean this house up. 1021 00:47:09,542 --> 00:47:12,000 Use the value of the people here. 1022 00:47:12,125 --> 00:47:15,167 - This is the time to let Marjorie know the stakes. 1023 00:47:15,292 --> 00:47:18,083 - You have thousands and thousands of dollars 1024 00:47:18,208 --> 00:47:20,208 of resource in front of you. 1025 00:47:20,375 --> 00:47:22,333 Don't let it go. Please. 1026 00:47:25,333 --> 00:47:27,917 (upbeat music) 1027 00:47:34,667 --> 00:47:36,458 - Sorting. 1028 00:47:40,417 --> 00:47:41,667 - Garage. - Garage. 1029 00:47:41,792 --> 00:47:44,208 (intense music) 1030 00:47:52,667 --> 00:47:54,583 - [Cory] So Marjorie we spent about the last hour, 1031 00:47:54,708 --> 00:47:58,250 it has been an hour in the bedroom clearing what we could, 1032 00:47:58,375 --> 00:47:59,667 but it's all out here on the tables now. 1033 00:47:59,750 --> 00:48:00,958 So we do have to make some decisions. 1034 00:48:01,042 --> 00:48:02,333 - Mm hmm. - If you're okay with it, 1035 00:48:02,458 --> 00:48:04,958 the plan would be to split up in three teams. 1036 00:48:05,042 --> 00:48:09,042 We'll have you working with Abigail, which I know you trust. 1037 00:48:09,167 --> 00:48:11,708 Catherine can work with Jan and Irv and Pierre together. 1038 00:48:11,875 --> 00:48:12,750 Would that be okay? 1039 00:48:12,875 --> 00:48:15,917 (Irv laughs) 1040 00:48:16,042 --> 00:48:17,750 - [Cory] I saved that one for last. I saved that for last. 1041 00:48:17,875 --> 00:48:20,083 - There was a pause here. (Pierre laughs) 1042 00:48:20,208 --> 00:48:22,000 - You don't trust your own husband? 1043 00:48:23,833 --> 00:48:27,333 - It wasn't the husband. (all laugh) 1044 00:48:27,417 --> 00:48:29,250 - [Dr. Tolin] Feels nice to have a clear bedroom, right? 1045 00:48:29,375 --> 00:48:30,583 - [Marjorie] Yes. 1046 00:48:30,708 --> 00:48:32,917 - [Dr. Tolin] So let's not bring all this stuff back into it. 1047 00:48:33,042 --> 00:48:35,333 Let's keep it clear, but that means stuff's gotta go. 1048 00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:36,625 - Okay. - And again, 1049 00:48:36,708 --> 00:48:38,417 you're gonna need to rely on your friends and family 1050 00:48:38,542 --> 00:48:41,542 to help you with that. - Mm hmm. Okay. 1051 00:48:46,708 --> 00:48:48,458 Where is our donate bag? - Donate. 1052 00:48:48,542 --> 00:48:52,792 - Start a donate clothes bag. - We can use that box there. 1053 00:48:52,917 --> 00:48:55,792 (indistinct chatter) 1054 00:48:55,917 --> 00:48:56,917 - [Marjorie] This is keep, clothes. 1055 00:48:57,042 --> 00:48:58,708 - [Abigail] Keep, okay. 1056 00:48:59,417 --> 00:49:00,167 - [Pierre] What do you think this is for? 1057 00:49:00,292 --> 00:49:02,708 Pancake? - Heart-shaped pancakes. 1058 00:49:02,833 --> 00:49:04,542 - Heart-shaped pancakes. - Yes. 1059 00:49:04,708 --> 00:49:06,333 - [Pierre] Have you ever made a heart-shaped pancake 1060 00:49:06,417 --> 00:49:08,125 from the whole time you've had this? 1061 00:49:08,208 --> 00:49:10,500 - No. - What you say? 1062 00:49:10,667 --> 00:49:12,083 It's up to you. - Okay. 1063 00:49:12,208 --> 00:49:16,667 - I'm blaming it all on you. - Yeah, I got that feeling. 1064 00:49:17,375 --> 00:49:19,917 - It's been so good for Irv to get outside, 1065 00:49:20,042 --> 00:49:22,042 have some activity, get some sunshine. 1066 00:49:22,208 --> 00:49:23,375 - [Irv] Think that's a belly, 1067 00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,375 and those are pants that are covering my butt. 1068 00:49:26,542 --> 00:49:27,167 - Oh, is that what it is? 1069 00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:28,333 (Irv laughs) 1070 00:49:28,417 --> 00:49:29,833 He's just a totally different person. 1071 00:49:29,958 --> 00:49:32,000 - [Irv] Hey, gotta keep Kano. 1072 00:49:32,167 --> 00:49:34,583 - [Pierre] This is where we met each other, Nigeria. 1073 00:49:34,708 --> 00:49:36,583 How about that one? Huh? - Yeah. 1074 00:49:45,042 --> 00:49:46,083 - [Cory] There's still some confusion. 1075 00:49:46,208 --> 00:49:47,542 We really want to get this settled 1076 00:49:47,667 --> 00:49:48,958 - Yeah. 1077 00:49:49,042 --> 00:49:51,042 with the bags of clothing that are to be donated. 1078 00:49:51,167 --> 00:49:52,125 - [Marjorie] Mm hmm. 1079 00:49:52,250 --> 00:49:56,500 I would 100% absolutely beg you. 1080 00:49:56,625 --> 00:49:59,625 Can we just take them all to a charity that can use them 1081 00:49:59,708 --> 00:50:02,208 and then we're not leaving 'em on your side yard? 1082 00:50:02,333 --> 00:50:06,125 - [Marjorie] No, because I have a good relationship. 1083 00:50:06,250 --> 00:50:11,000 These people have a business, literally two blocks away. 1084 00:50:11,083 --> 00:50:13,708 What they will do is pick up 1085 00:50:13,833 --> 00:50:15,375 whatever will go into a small car. 1086 00:50:16,292 --> 00:50:17,833 They will pick it up one day, 1087 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,458 two days, three days, four days. 1088 00:50:20,542 --> 00:50:21,833 - [Dr. Tolin] There are needy people 1089 00:50:21,917 --> 00:50:24,292 that we could get this to right now 1090 00:50:24,417 --> 00:50:26,000 and get it outta your life. 1091 00:50:26,083 --> 00:50:27,500 - [Marjorie] Please no. 1092 00:50:27,667 --> 00:50:31,625 - [Irv] Everything doesn't have to go to the Afghanis. 1093 00:50:31,708 --> 00:50:34,000 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, my concern is that 1094 00:50:34,167 --> 00:50:35,125 although you have a big heart 1095 00:50:35,208 --> 00:50:36,458 and you want to give to this charity, 1096 00:50:36,542 --> 00:50:39,458 I think you have chosen the most difficult charity 1097 00:50:39,542 --> 00:50:40,625 to donate to. 1098 00:50:40,708 --> 00:50:43,167 And for somebody in your position, you've got, 1099 00:50:43,292 --> 00:50:46,500 what's going to be 50 bags, 60 bags, 1100 00:50:46,625 --> 00:50:48,417 a hundred bags of clothing 1101 00:50:48,542 --> 00:50:50,708 that we can't just go a few at a time. 1102 00:50:50,833 --> 00:50:52,125 - [Marjorie] But it's my chance 1103 00:50:52,208 --> 00:50:55,208 to connect with people in my neighborhood. 1104 00:50:55,375 --> 00:50:57,833 - [Dr. Tolin] But can you give them maybe some of the stuff 1105 00:50:57,958 --> 00:50:59,417 and let the rest of it go elsewhere? 1106 00:50:59,542 --> 00:51:02,750 - [Marjorie] No, I want them to have all the usable clothes. 1107 00:51:02,875 --> 00:51:03,958 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, 1108 00:51:04,083 --> 00:51:06,458 we can't have you storing all this stuff. 1109 00:51:06,542 --> 00:51:08,708 - [Marjorie] But that's my agreement with them. 1110 00:51:08,833 --> 00:51:10,417 I made an agreement with them. 1111 00:51:11,875 --> 00:51:13,583 - What's frustrating is there are charities everywhere 1112 00:51:13,708 --> 00:51:15,292 in and around this town that we can be taking 1113 00:51:15,375 --> 00:51:18,708 these clothing items to, she is just so stuck on this one. 1114 00:51:18,833 --> 00:51:20,500 It just doesn't make sense. 1115 00:51:20,667 --> 00:51:22,667 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, if we do it your way, 1116 00:51:22,792 --> 00:51:23,917 - [Marjorie] Uh huh. 1117 00:51:24,042 --> 00:51:24,583 we're not gonna leave you in a good place. 1118 00:51:24,708 --> 00:51:25,667 I know that for sure. 1119 00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:26,583 - [Jan] We won't have your bedroom cleared 1120 00:51:26,708 --> 00:51:27,500 if we do it your way. 1121 00:51:27,625 --> 00:51:28,500 - [Cory] The problem is, 1122 00:51:28,667 --> 00:51:30,000 you told us your closets were pretty empty. 1123 00:51:30,125 --> 00:51:32,833 They are jam packed. - Okay. 1124 00:51:32,917 --> 00:51:33,958 - [Marjorie] No, I told you, 1125 00:51:34,083 --> 00:51:35,833 I thought that there was room to adjust, 1126 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,208 but I can't be in two places at once- 1127 00:51:38,333 --> 00:51:38,958 - But Marjorie- - And no, 1128 00:51:39,042 --> 00:51:40,208 I'm not gonna delegate. 1129 00:51:40,333 --> 00:51:42,250 I will go in with Ceci and I will try to pick. 1130 00:51:42,375 --> 00:51:44,958 10% to keep, how's that? 1131 00:51:45,042 --> 00:51:46,000 - Again, saying that you've gotta be the one 1132 00:51:46,125 --> 00:51:47,125 to lay eyes on it. - [Cory] Yeah. 1133 00:51:47,250 --> 00:51:48,292 Can you trust Ceci? - No. 1134 00:51:48,417 --> 00:51:49,417 - [Dr. Tolin] Let Ceci lay eyes on it. 1135 00:51:49,542 --> 00:51:52,000 - If I haven't seen it in years, 1136 00:51:52,125 --> 00:51:53,625 how would I know if I can trust her? 1137 00:51:53,708 --> 00:51:55,167 - [Ceci] If you haven't seen it in years, 1138 00:51:55,250 --> 00:51:56,333 why do you need it? 1139 00:51:57,708 --> 00:52:00,375 - [Marjorie] I need to at least see what's there. 1140 00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:01,875 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie your way of doing things- 1141 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,292 - [Marjorie] Honey, would you 1142 00:52:03,375 --> 00:52:05,875 like to keep these for the summer? 1143 00:52:06,042 --> 00:52:06,875 - [Irv] Nah, they've got goop on them. 1144 00:52:07,042 --> 00:52:08,167 - Right. 1145 00:52:08,292 --> 00:52:10,708 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, why don't you just, 1146 00:52:10,833 --> 00:52:12,333 why don't you just give me the middle finger 1147 00:52:12,417 --> 00:52:14,083 instead of doing it verbally. 1148 00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:16,958 - No. 1149 00:52:17,042 --> 00:52:18,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Your way of doing things is- 1150 00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:19,208 - [Marjorie] I apologize if that's the way you feel. 1151 00:52:19,375 --> 00:52:20,750 - [Dr. Tolin] It is. 1152 00:52:20,875 --> 00:52:22,167 - [Marjorie] And I would never do that, intentionally. 1153 00:52:22,333 --> 00:52:23,333 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, your way of doing things 1154 00:52:23,417 --> 00:52:24,875 has gotten us into this position. 1155 00:52:25,042 --> 00:52:27,000 - [Marjorie] Would you ask Irv if he would like that or not. 1156 00:52:27,125 --> 00:52:28,083 - Yeah. - Okay. 1157 00:52:29,250 --> 00:52:31,167 - Pierre, what do you think? 1158 00:52:31,333 --> 00:52:32,750 - [Pierre] I'm ready to give up myself, I just. 1159 00:52:32,875 --> 00:52:34,000 - [Irv] We can donate that. 1160 00:52:34,083 --> 00:52:35,042 - [Pierre] You've gotta get rid of it. 1161 00:52:35,167 --> 00:52:36,708 You just have to get rid of, 1162 00:52:36,833 --> 00:52:38,875 if you don't know you have it for two years 1163 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,250 you don't need it, Marjorie. 1164 00:52:40,375 --> 00:52:42,875 - [Marjorie] Can you hear what Pierre's saying? 1165 00:52:43,042 --> 00:52:45,167 - [Pierre] If you haven't seen it in a year or two years, 1166 00:52:45,292 --> 00:52:47,625 you don't need it. 1167 00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:48,792 You haven't worn it, 1168 00:52:48,917 --> 00:52:52,000 you haven't been near it for at least that long. 1169 00:52:52,125 --> 00:52:53,375 Why do you want it? 1170 00:52:54,250 --> 00:52:55,500 You don't need. 1171 00:52:55,583 --> 00:52:57,375 - [Marjorie] I want to look at it, say goodbye. 1172 00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:59,583 How's that. - Say goodbye from here? 1173 00:52:59,708 --> 00:53:00,833 - I just want 10 minutes. 1174 00:53:00,917 --> 00:53:02,833 - [Pierre] She's got thousands of dollars standing here 1175 00:53:02,958 --> 00:53:04,167 and worry about a $5 item. - [Ceci] ...know when to fold. 1176 00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:07,958 - [Marjorie] If you don't stop quoting... 1177 00:53:08,042 --> 00:53:08,667 - that. - [Pierre] Quoting who? 1178 00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:09,500 - That! 1179 00:53:09,583 --> 00:53:10,833 - [Pierre] Well that's the thing, 1180 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:11,875 keep your mind on it. 1181 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,458 - Please, stop quoting that. 1182 00:53:16,542 --> 00:53:19,167 - [Dr. Tolin] I'm getting frustrated with the process 1183 00:53:19,333 --> 00:53:21,125 and I'm pretty sure Cory is too. 1184 00:53:21,208 --> 00:53:25,667 Marjorie is being argumentative, controlling, 1185 00:53:25,792 --> 00:53:28,083 domineering, and stubborn. 1186 00:53:28,208 --> 00:53:32,125 - [Marjorie] I am willing to pay for people 1187 00:53:32,208 --> 00:53:35,625 after they leave to help finish this journey. 1188 00:53:35,708 --> 00:53:36,667 - [Pierre] What a waste! 1189 00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:37,708 You've got everyone here you need right now. 1190 00:53:38,792 --> 00:53:40,000 You wouldn't have to pay for anything. 1191 00:53:40,125 --> 00:53:41,833 - It's my choice. - It is your choice. 1192 00:53:41,958 --> 00:53:43,125 Absolutely. - Thank you. 1193 00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:44,125 - [Pierre] I've told you that from day one. 1194 00:53:44,208 --> 00:53:46,167 - If you're too fatigued, please leave. 1195 00:53:48,042 --> 00:53:49,417 - At this point. 1196 00:53:49,542 --> 00:53:51,708 I'm kind of thinking we may need to shift strategies. 1197 00:53:51,833 --> 00:53:55,625 Maybe we need to be thinking about harm reduction, 1198 00:53:55,708 --> 00:53:59,083 which is, if we can't get you to change your behavior, 1199 00:53:59,208 --> 00:54:01,833 at least let us make the place safer for you. 1200 00:54:01,958 --> 00:54:03,333 (calm music) 1201 00:54:10,708 --> 00:54:11,667 (truck beeping) 1202 00:54:11,792 --> 00:54:15,292 - Good morning everybody. - [All] Morning. 1203 00:54:15,375 --> 00:54:16,458 - [Dr. Tolin] Good to see you again. 1204 00:54:16,583 --> 00:54:18,667 Jan is gonna be joining us a little bit later, 1205 00:54:18,833 --> 00:54:21,000 but I wanted to check in with you Marjorie and you Irv. 1206 00:54:21,125 --> 00:54:23,583 How did last night go and how you feeling this morning? 1207 00:54:23,708 --> 00:54:29,083 - [Irv] I'm feeling very good about it. 1208 00:54:29,208 --> 00:54:31,542 It was amazing to see all the floor space 1209 00:54:31,708 --> 00:54:34,208 when I walked in yesterday evening. 1210 00:54:34,375 --> 00:54:35,167 - [Cory] All right. 1211 00:54:35,333 --> 00:54:36,083 So Marjorie, how are you feeling 1212 00:54:36,208 --> 00:54:37,250 about how things look so far? 1213 00:54:37,375 --> 00:54:39,333 - Oh, I love it. - You do? 1214 00:54:39,458 --> 00:54:42,292 - [Marjorie] I'm so thankful. So appreciative. 1215 00:54:42,417 --> 00:54:45,542 It's like early Christmas times two or three. 1216 00:54:45,708 --> 00:54:46,375 - [Dr. Tolin] You know that good feeling 1217 00:54:46,542 --> 00:54:47,792 that you have in your bedroom. 1218 00:54:47,917 --> 00:54:49,292 - Uh huh. 1219 00:54:49,375 --> 00:54:50,500 - You can have that in your whole house, if you want. 1220 00:54:50,583 --> 00:54:51,500 - [Marjorie] I'm optimistic. 1221 00:54:51,667 --> 00:54:54,583 I just wanted house safe and clean. 1222 00:54:54,708 --> 00:54:56,000 - [Dr. Tolin] But there is a trade off there. Right? 1223 00:54:56,167 --> 00:54:58,250 Which is that, and I think that you saw that yesterday, 1224 00:54:58,375 --> 00:54:59,458 which is that if you can tolerate 1225 00:54:59,583 --> 00:55:01,375 a little bit of short term discomfort, 1226 00:55:01,542 --> 00:55:03,833 the long term payoffs are huge. 1227 00:55:03,917 --> 00:55:05,292 - I see... 1228 00:55:05,375 --> 00:55:06,417 And that's what I'm gonna be kind of reminding you of 1229 00:55:06,542 --> 00:55:08,292 as we go today. - I see that. 1230 00:55:08,375 --> 00:55:09,375 - [Cory] What's the goal. 1231 00:55:09,542 --> 00:55:10,625 What's the end goal before we leave 1232 00:55:10,708 --> 00:55:12,500 that you wanna see done inside your home. 1233 00:55:12,583 --> 00:55:13,542 - [Marjorie] You've cleared the hallway. 1234 00:55:13,708 --> 00:55:14,792 - [Cory] Mm hmm. - Wonderful. 1235 00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:18,583 Let's clear all the way to the front door. 1236 00:55:18,708 --> 00:55:20,625 - [Cory] Is that front living room included in that? 1237 00:55:20,750 --> 00:55:22,250 Because we're gonna do most of it anyway. 1238 00:55:22,375 --> 00:55:23,500 We're gonna leave you functional, 1239 00:55:23,583 --> 00:55:25,458 chairs, sofas, whatever we find in there. 1240 00:55:25,583 --> 00:55:26,750 I don't know what's under it, 1241 00:55:26,875 --> 00:55:27,708 but we'll leave you - [Marjorie] Functional... 1242 00:55:27,833 --> 00:55:28,542 a functional house. 1243 00:55:29,917 --> 00:55:33,542 - [Marjorie] Any functional tables, chairs, sofa, 1244 00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:35,708 please leave. 1245 00:55:35,833 --> 00:55:37,375 - [Cory] We're not gonna be sorting through 1246 00:55:37,542 --> 00:55:39,208 the minutia of stuff. 1247 00:55:39,375 --> 00:55:41,375 It's gonna go fast. 1248 00:55:41,542 --> 00:55:43,958 - [Marjorie] I do believe I understand at this point. 1249 00:55:46,542 --> 00:55:48,833 - [Cory] All right, we're gonna get started. 1250 00:55:48,917 --> 00:55:51,208 (items clattering) 1251 00:55:51,375 --> 00:55:52,417 - [man] That's right here. 1252 00:56:07,917 --> 00:56:08,875 - [man] Gentle. 1253 00:56:10,542 --> 00:56:13,417 (intense music) 1254 00:56:20,792 --> 00:56:22,458 - [Cory] All of your furniture has been kept. 1255 00:56:22,583 --> 00:56:23,667 - [Marjorie] But I even... 1256 00:56:23,792 --> 00:56:26,292 I used the word armoire in the living room. 1257 00:56:26,417 --> 00:56:27,750 - [Cory] The armoire is still there. 1258 00:56:27,875 --> 00:56:29,042 We didn't get rid of it. 1259 00:56:29,167 --> 00:56:32,458 - You were worried about things inside the armoire going 1260 00:56:32,583 --> 00:56:34,167 and that's what you wanted to check in with Cory about. 1261 00:56:34,292 --> 00:56:35,750 - Right. He's saying they're boxed up. 1262 00:56:35,875 --> 00:56:37,333 They're in the yard for you to peruse. 1263 00:56:37,458 --> 00:56:38,542 - [Cory] Anything valuable 1264 00:56:38,667 --> 00:56:40,125 or anything that looked like it wasn't just- 1265 00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:43,875 - [Marjorie] No, anything valuable is a relative term. 1266 00:56:46,375 --> 00:56:48,625 I honestly, at this point, 1267 00:56:48,708 --> 00:56:52,208 I want you to know that I don't give a damn 1268 00:56:52,333 --> 00:56:55,333 what my husband says. 1269 00:56:55,417 --> 00:56:58,417 - Okay, well, I have- - because he doesn't know 1270 00:56:58,542 --> 00:56:59,833 what's in there at all. 1271 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,667 - What is in there? That's what I'm asking you. 1272 00:57:01,750 --> 00:57:02,833 What is there. - I believe 1273 00:57:02,958 --> 00:57:06,292 the white chest right inside the door 1274 00:57:06,375 --> 00:57:12,917 has probably a dozen valuable dishes and such. 1275 00:57:13,042 --> 00:57:14,167 Do I have those out there? 1276 00:57:14,333 --> 00:57:17,333 - [Cory] We saved a bunch of dishware, a bunch of things, 1277 00:57:17,417 --> 00:57:19,833 but we just literally cleaned that. 1278 00:57:19,917 --> 00:57:22,167 Are you talking about the mirrored drawers? 1279 00:57:22,292 --> 00:57:24,042 - Yeah. - We just cleaned that out. 1280 00:57:24,167 --> 00:57:26,042 I didn't see any valuable dishes. 1281 00:57:27,583 --> 00:57:28,958 - [Marjorie] There were absolutely 1282 00:57:29,042 --> 00:57:35,667 a dozen pieces of dishes that are mid-century that I wanted. 1283 00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:40,542 - Let's go and look. - This could be over. 1284 00:57:40,708 --> 00:57:42,417 Well, this could be over. 1285 00:57:42,542 --> 00:57:43,667 - [Cory] I'm sorry you feel that way. 1286 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:45,000 But we did everything that we agreed to. 1287 00:57:45,167 --> 00:57:49,500 If you have a kitchen full of dishware that we can save 1288 00:57:49,625 --> 00:57:52,667 and we have saved quite a few other things, 1289 00:57:52,750 --> 00:57:54,875 but in that dresser that we just emptied 1290 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,417 that you're talking about had chew up rat stuff everywhere. 1291 00:57:58,542 --> 00:58:00,083 - The white dresser? - Yep. 1292 00:58:00,208 --> 00:58:01,333 - [woman] Mm hmm. 1293 00:58:01,500 --> 00:58:03,333 - [Marjorie] I don't see how rat could get in. 1294 00:58:03,417 --> 00:58:04,500 - [Cory] Okay. A mouse. 1295 00:58:04,625 --> 00:58:07,458 Rodent stuff was absolutely in there. 1296 00:58:07,583 --> 00:58:08,750 - There was a dead rodent in there. 1297 00:58:08,875 --> 00:58:10,583 - [Marjorie] Rodent stuff wouldn't hurt a dish. 1298 00:58:12,833 --> 00:58:13,875 - Alright. 1299 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,625 - Let's go see. - You can wash a dish, dear. 1300 00:58:15,708 --> 00:58:16,708 - [woman] Let's go see. 1301 00:58:17,958 --> 00:58:20,125 - Working with Marjorie just becomes frustrating 1302 00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:21,417 because all she does 1303 00:58:21,542 --> 00:58:23,333 is find the negative in every situation. 1304 00:58:23,458 --> 00:58:24,667 And I'm tired of it. 1305 00:58:24,792 --> 00:58:26,500 I'm tired of her spreading this negativity 1306 00:58:26,625 --> 00:58:27,833 to the whole crew. 1307 00:58:27,958 --> 00:58:31,667 - I don't give a rats ass - [Dr. Tolin] Mm hmm. 1308 00:58:31,792 --> 00:58:34,958 about what the living room looks like at all. 1309 00:58:35,042 --> 00:58:38,833 I just wanted a safe path to come and go. 1310 00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,917 And the middle cleared enough to sit in those two chairs. 1311 00:58:43,042 --> 00:58:44,917 - [Cory] Okay, but that we didn't discuss 1312 00:58:45,042 --> 00:58:46,042 a path this morning. 1313 00:58:46,167 --> 00:58:48,042 We discussed the whole downstairs this morning. 1314 00:58:48,167 --> 00:58:49,125 That's what we agreed to. 1315 00:58:52,208 --> 00:58:54,708 - [Marjorie] Okay, this has been broken more. 1316 00:58:54,875 --> 00:58:58,667 I said, there's stacked books. 1317 00:58:58,792 --> 00:58:59,875 We've given away so many books. 1318 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,625 - [Irv] We have so many boxes out. 1319 00:59:02,583 --> 00:59:04,542 - [Marjorie] I wanted... why bother? 1320 00:59:04,708 --> 00:59:06,833 Why take up the time, I wanted the books to stay. 1321 00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,667 There was an armoire there that my memory is that 1322 00:59:09,792 --> 00:59:11,375 it had art supplies. 1323 00:59:11,500 --> 00:59:13,958 I don't know, I haven't seen it. 1324 00:59:14,083 --> 00:59:15,542 - [Irv] It was that wooden armoire 1325 00:59:15,708 --> 00:59:17,333 with the two doors there. - Uh huh. 1326 00:59:17,458 --> 00:59:18,875 Yeah, it was empty. 1327 00:59:19,042 --> 00:59:22,625 - [Marjorie] The white chest had some fifties dishes 1328 00:59:22,708 --> 00:59:24,375 and different things in it. 1329 00:59:24,542 --> 00:59:25,625 - Yeah, I understood - [Marjorie] See. 1330 00:59:25,708 --> 00:59:27,333 that there was nothing valuable in there. 1331 00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:28,750 There was not. 1332 00:59:28,875 --> 00:59:31,250 - [Marjorie] He's saying none of those dishes, 1333 00:59:31,375 --> 00:59:32,792 but I agreed to that. 1334 00:59:32,875 --> 00:59:36,333 I didn't think I agreed to all the contents of that. 1335 00:59:36,417 --> 00:59:37,750 I wanted it empty. 1336 00:59:37,875 --> 00:59:41,333 It was full of those lighters and all kinds of crap. 1337 00:59:41,500 --> 00:59:42,667 - [Cory] Mm hmm. And there were keys in it. 1338 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,583 - [Cory] She has all the keys. 1339 00:59:45,708 --> 00:59:46,333 - [Marjorie] Well, you could have led with that. 1340 00:59:46,458 --> 00:59:47,708 We said... 1341 00:59:47,875 --> 00:59:49,083 - [Cory] You have not given me a chance 1342 00:59:49,208 --> 00:59:50,500 to lead with anything. 1343 00:59:50,625 --> 00:59:52,958 You come with an attack without even asking. 1344 00:59:53,042 --> 00:59:55,667 So I can't possibly give you an inventory 1345 00:59:55,792 --> 00:59:57,500 of every single thing in here. 1346 00:59:57,667 --> 00:59:59,667 I agree. - That's ridiculous. 1347 00:59:59,833 --> 01:00:01,708 I never asked for an inventory, sir. 1348 01:00:01,833 --> 01:00:02,833 - [Cory] No, but what you're saying is 1349 01:00:02,958 --> 01:00:03,833 I could have led with that. 1350 01:00:03,958 --> 01:00:05,333 How do I know what to lead with 1351 01:00:05,458 --> 01:00:07,792 when we just moved thousands of items? 1352 01:00:07,875 --> 01:00:09,167 How would I know what to lead with? 1353 01:00:09,292 --> 01:00:12,250 I told you anything important, we would save. 1354 01:00:13,833 --> 01:00:16,500 - [Marjorie] He's considering those intact dishes, 1355 01:00:16,625 --> 01:00:19,958 probably a dozen things in the mirror chest, 1356 01:00:20,750 --> 01:00:23,208 not broken, not broken. 1357 01:00:24,625 --> 01:00:26,667 He's considering that not important? 1358 01:00:26,792 --> 01:00:29,458 - [Cory] What I consider important is you two 1359 01:00:29,542 --> 01:00:30,333 and your safety. 1360 01:00:30,417 --> 01:00:31,500 - Okay. Okay. 1361 01:00:31,667 --> 01:00:32,667 - [Cory] Well, so in the big picture. 1362 01:00:32,792 --> 01:00:33,792 - [Marjorie] This is imperiling my health, 1363 01:00:33,917 --> 01:00:37,375 going through this every day. 1364 01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:40,458 I cannot take another 48 hours of this. 1365 01:00:40,542 --> 01:00:41,333 - [Dr. Tolin] But Marjorie, 1366 01:00:41,417 --> 01:00:42,875 I think that the mindset here 1367 01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,833 and maybe this is where I could challenge you a little bit 1368 01:00:44,958 --> 01:00:47,167 is that seems. - I'm done being challenged. 1369 01:00:47,333 --> 01:00:48,000 - [Dr. Tolin] Well... 1370 01:00:48,167 --> 01:00:49,917 I'm done being mentally challenged 1371 01:00:50,042 --> 01:00:52,000 because I'm feeling physical challenged. 1372 01:00:52,125 --> 01:00:52,875 - Okay. 1373 01:00:54,208 --> 01:00:55,458 Marjorie seems to be very into blaming other people 1374 01:00:55,542 --> 01:00:58,833 and taking on the role of a victim. 1375 01:00:58,917 --> 01:01:00,958 That from her perspective, 1376 01:01:01,042 --> 01:01:03,042 we're all doing something bad to her. 1377 01:01:03,167 --> 01:01:06,000 We're assaulting her, we're forcing her. 1378 01:01:06,125 --> 01:01:09,667 - [Marjorie] The things I'm gaining in health here, 1379 01:01:09,792 --> 01:01:13,042 I'm losing in health here. 1380 01:01:13,208 --> 01:01:15,250 - Yeah and I think that's part of the mindset here 1381 01:01:15,375 --> 01:01:16,500 is that it sounds like you - [Marjorie] Well. 1382 01:01:16,667 --> 01:01:18,042 feel like we're taking from you 1383 01:01:18,167 --> 01:01:19,167 and I don't think you see what were giving to you. 1384 01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:20,708 - [Marjorie] I feel like I'm being assaulted. 1385 01:01:20,833 --> 01:01:22,042 - [Dr. Tolin] Yeah. 1386 01:01:22,208 --> 01:01:23,750 And I feel like my psyche, - [Dr. Tolin] Right. 1387 01:01:23,875 --> 01:01:26,417 my heart is being assaulted. - [Dr. Tolin] Can you recognize- 1388 01:01:26,542 --> 01:01:27,458 - [Dr. Tolin] Can you recognize that 1389 01:01:27,542 --> 01:01:29,292 that's your particular perspective 1390 01:01:29,417 --> 01:01:30,750 - [Marjorie] Yes. - that it may not be accurate. 1391 01:01:30,875 --> 01:01:33,042 You're not being victimized here, Marjorie. 1392 01:01:34,333 --> 01:01:36,708 She doesn't recognize A, that she called us, 1393 01:01:36,875 --> 01:01:39,708 B, that we're trying to follow her instructions 1394 01:01:39,833 --> 01:01:41,625 and C, that we're doing this to try to help her. 1395 01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:43,792 (intense music) 1396 01:02:13,917 --> 01:02:15,750 - [Marjorie] The washers and dryer are right here. 1397 01:02:15,875 --> 01:02:16,708 I swear. - Where? 1398 01:02:19,042 --> 01:02:21,792 - Let me see if I can find the top. 1399 01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:31,667 Okay. I'm tapping, I'm tapping the washer, dryer 1400 01:02:31,792 --> 01:02:34,083 with what I can reach. - All right. Let me see. 1401 01:02:34,208 --> 01:02:38,000 And I believe right behind it is the island 1402 01:02:38,125 --> 01:02:40,333 and straight back is the refrigerator. 1403 01:02:40,417 --> 01:02:42,833 - [Abigail] So when you say that's accessible, 1404 01:02:42,917 --> 01:02:44,458 I'm not seeing that as being accessible. 1405 01:02:44,542 --> 01:02:45,417 - [Cory] This is hours of work. 1406 01:02:45,542 --> 01:02:46,667 - [Marjorie] No, no, no, no, no. 1407 01:02:46,792 --> 01:02:49,333 If accessible means that these things 1408 01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:50,333 could quickly be shifted. 1409 01:02:50,500 --> 01:02:51,333 - It can't. - Okay. 1410 01:02:51,458 --> 01:02:52,917 - [Cory] This isn't quickly. 1411 01:02:53,042 --> 01:02:54,125 - [Abigail] Do you realize 1412 01:02:54,208 --> 01:02:55,375 that we're gonna have to move all of this? 1413 01:02:55,500 --> 01:02:56,958 - Yes, that's what I said. - And where's it going? 1414 01:02:57,042 --> 01:02:58,792 - [Marjorie] It's a couple feet in. 1415 01:02:58,875 --> 01:03:00,625 It's going out here temporarily, you get the damn washer. 1416 01:03:00,708 --> 01:03:01,500 - No. - Okay. 1417 01:03:01,583 --> 01:03:03,500 - No, I'm not gonna do that. 1418 01:03:03,625 --> 01:03:05,833 Marjorie has her own list of what she wants us to do. 1419 01:03:05,958 --> 01:03:07,708 And none of it really has to do with cleaning the house. 1420 01:03:07,833 --> 01:03:09,333 She wants us to move furniture around, 1421 01:03:09,500 --> 01:03:10,833 disconnect washing machines, 1422 01:03:10,958 --> 01:03:13,625 but then we go and look in the garage and it is full. 1423 01:03:13,708 --> 01:03:15,667 And she wants us to just magically climb over 1424 01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:17,208 and pull one thing out. 1425 01:03:17,333 --> 01:03:19,125 We can't do it, we have to move all this out. 1426 01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:21,875 And she says, if we do, we gotta put it all back in. 1427 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,042 This is craziness. 1428 01:03:23,208 --> 01:03:24,667 - [Irv] What are we doing now? 1429 01:03:24,792 --> 01:03:26,833 - [Marjorie] I'm saying, thank you. 1430 01:03:26,917 --> 01:03:28,875 And I will hire somebody to do that. 1431 01:03:29,042 --> 01:03:31,625 - Okay. - Thank you. 1432 01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:34,250 - Yep. - And that's it. 1433 01:03:35,333 --> 01:03:36,542 Thank you. 1434 01:03:36,667 --> 01:03:38,042 - You know, Marjorie sometimes when you say thank you, 1435 01:03:38,208 --> 01:03:39,292 I think you mean something else. 1436 01:03:39,375 --> 01:03:41,167 I think you got the second word right. 1437 01:03:41,333 --> 01:03:42,500 (all laugh) 1438 01:03:42,625 --> 01:03:44,708 - I did not mean that. 1439 01:03:44,833 --> 01:03:47,542 I did mean to be sarcastic. - Yes I think so. 1440 01:03:47,667 --> 01:03:48,708 - [Marjorie] But I didn't... 1441 01:03:48,875 --> 01:03:49,542 No, I didn't mean to be mean and vulgar. 1442 01:03:51,167 --> 01:03:51,667 - [Dr. Tolin] It's coming through, it's coming through. 1443 01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:52,542 I'm picking up on. 1444 01:03:52,708 --> 01:03:53,750 - Well, I think you're insecure. 1445 01:03:53,875 --> 01:03:55,250 - [Dr. Tolin] Okay. Marjorie... 1446 01:03:55,375 --> 01:03:58,208 - [Marjorie] Guys, step up with the big boys, okay. 1447 01:03:59,208 --> 01:04:01,625 - I don't think Marjorie's a bad person, 1448 01:04:01,708 --> 01:04:03,708 but I think that she's manipulative. 1449 01:04:03,875 --> 01:04:05,000 And I think that she's controlling. 1450 01:04:05,167 --> 01:04:07,292 And I think when she doesn't get what she wants, 1451 01:04:07,375 --> 01:04:08,833 she lashes out. 1452 01:04:08,917 --> 01:04:12,000 - And behind this gentleman is a stainless steel bowl 1453 01:04:12,083 --> 01:04:14,667 that I use as a mixing bowl. 1454 01:04:14,792 --> 01:04:17,542 - [Cory] You have so many bowls. 1455 01:04:17,708 --> 01:04:18,833 - [Marjorie] I don't care. 1456 01:04:18,958 --> 01:04:20,792 - Do you want to look at all the boxes 1457 01:04:20,917 --> 01:04:23,000 of safe stuff you have before you pick again 1458 01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:25,417 on the one or two things that are in here? 1459 01:04:25,542 --> 01:04:26,333 - [Marjorie] Yeah go look. 1460 01:04:26,458 --> 01:04:27,833 I just want the bowl, 1461 01:04:27,958 --> 01:04:30,000 I've I have taken salad in that to so many means. 1462 01:04:30,125 --> 01:04:31,333 - [Jan] Point out the bowl 1463 01:04:31,417 --> 01:04:32,667 and then we'll move on to something else. Okay. 1464 01:04:32,792 --> 01:04:33,875 - Stainless steel, see it. Large bowl. 1465 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,333 - I see it. - Yep. 1466 01:04:35,417 --> 01:04:36,167 - [Cory] I see it. 1467 01:04:36,292 --> 01:04:38,167 I see a lot of stuff in there 1468 01:04:38,333 --> 01:04:39,583 that you could probably find a use for. 1469 01:04:39,708 --> 01:04:42,167 - [Jan] You take salads in that really? 1470 01:04:42,292 --> 01:04:44,167 - It just got dirty. - No, it's a dog dish. 1471 01:04:44,250 --> 01:04:46,167 - [Marjorie] It's a dog dish 1472 01:04:46,292 --> 01:04:47,833 that's never been used for a dog. 1473 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:48,875 - [Jan] Okay, well. 1474 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,250 This is the shipping paper. 1475 01:04:51,375 --> 01:04:53,875 - [Jan] Mm so that's how often you use it. 1476 01:04:54,042 --> 01:04:55,417 That it still has shipping paper. 1477 01:04:55,542 --> 01:04:56,583 - You have shipping paper in it. 1478 01:04:56,708 --> 01:04:58,125 - [Marjorie] Oh goodness. - [Jan] Oh well. 1479 01:04:58,208 --> 01:04:59,167 - [Pierre] Majorie... It is, it was like wax paper. 1480 01:04:59,292 --> 01:05:01,708 - [Cory] We're fighting a losing battle. 1481 01:05:01,875 --> 01:05:02,750 - [Marjorie] Thank you. 1482 01:05:02,875 --> 01:05:03,792 And we're just literally upsetting you 1483 01:05:03,875 --> 01:05:04,667 and us to be honest. - Thank you. 1484 01:05:04,792 --> 01:05:07,125 - Given how much stuff there is 1485 01:05:07,208 --> 01:05:09,667 the fact that she has to see everything 1486 01:05:09,833 --> 01:05:11,833 and touch everything and okay everything 1487 01:05:11,917 --> 01:05:16,792 is not going to aid any process at all. 1488 01:05:16,917 --> 01:05:19,542 It's gonna be detrimental to any progress 1489 01:05:19,667 --> 01:05:21,083 that we try to make. 1490 01:05:21,208 --> 01:05:22,333 - [Marjorie] Is there some reason 1491 01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:24,542 that somebody set a container with weeds 1492 01:05:24,667 --> 01:05:26,833 up here by my house? 1493 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,042 - [Cory] You said save all pots, save all the stuff. 1494 01:05:29,167 --> 01:05:30,000 So we brought all the pots. 1495 01:05:30,125 --> 01:05:32,083 That's why that's there. 1496 01:05:32,208 --> 01:05:33,625 We did what you asked. 1497 01:05:33,708 --> 01:05:35,125 - With those actions. 1498 01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:39,250 I can't see how we can have a successful clean out. 1499 01:05:40,458 --> 01:05:43,125 (intense music) 1500 01:05:47,708 --> 01:05:48,750 - [Marjorie] Are they throwing away 1501 01:05:48,875 --> 01:05:51,167 like brand new napkins and stuff? 1502 01:05:51,292 --> 01:05:52,958 Paper Napkins. - It depends 1503 01:05:53,042 --> 01:05:55,000 if there's hundreds of them. 1504 01:05:55,125 --> 01:05:57,083 It's not abnormal to have some, 1505 01:05:57,208 --> 01:06:01,125 but we can't keep everything if it's in excess, 1506 01:06:01,208 --> 01:06:03,167 it just goes back to the same thing. 1507 01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:06,000 I can't clean your house if we leave too much stuff too, 1508 01:06:06,125 --> 01:06:06,917 that's kind of what we're caught. 1509 01:06:07,042 --> 01:06:08,292 - [Marjorie] Okay. 1510 01:06:08,375 --> 01:06:09,542 So we're gonna keep a normal amount of stuff 1511 01:06:09,667 --> 01:06:11,625 like every functional house has, is that okay? 1512 01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:13,000 - No, it's not. 1513 01:06:13,083 --> 01:06:14,458 because your definition of normal is not mine. 1514 01:06:14,583 --> 01:06:16,167 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, I just want to jump in 1515 01:06:16,333 --> 01:06:18,333 because you're talking about how your definition of normal 1516 01:06:18,458 --> 01:06:19,750 is not the same as Cory's definition of normal. 1517 01:06:19,875 --> 01:06:21,000 - [Marjorie] Mm hmm. 1518 01:06:21,167 --> 01:06:21,833 And I just wanna point out, - Excuse me. 1519 01:06:21,958 --> 01:06:23,292 - that your definition of normal 1520 01:06:23,417 --> 01:06:25,667 is kind of what created the problem. 1521 01:06:25,792 --> 01:06:27,417 It's not the solution. 1522 01:06:27,542 --> 01:06:30,333 I don't think you can hoard your way out of this problem. 1523 01:06:30,458 --> 01:06:33,167 I think we all want to make sure you have a healthy supply 1524 01:06:33,292 --> 01:06:34,375 of all the things that you need 1525 01:06:34,500 --> 01:06:36,708 but we don't want you to have so much 1526 01:06:36,875 --> 01:06:37,958 that it clutters up the home. 1527 01:06:38,042 --> 01:06:41,083 That's that's the dilemma that we face. 1528 01:06:42,542 --> 01:06:44,833 - To the right of my sink was the upholstery brush. 1529 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,167 Do they have it, you think? 1530 01:06:46,333 --> 01:06:48,333 - [Abigail] No, they believe it was thrown out. 1531 01:06:48,458 --> 01:06:49,333 - Okay, see, 1532 01:06:49,458 --> 01:06:50,375 - because there was a bone next to it. 1533 01:06:50,542 --> 01:06:51,625 - [Marjorie] That's a $20 replacement, 1534 01:06:51,708 --> 01:06:55,958 electric appliance things and attachments. 1535 01:06:56,042 --> 01:06:58,333 - [Cory] Right, but if I see an attachment 1536 01:06:58,458 --> 01:07:01,167 that's literally 20 years old to a vacuum 1537 01:07:01,250 --> 01:07:02,958 that I don't see anywhere in the area. 1538 01:07:03,042 --> 01:07:06,500 - [Marjorie] Look, it's not 20 years old, darling. 1539 01:07:07,625 --> 01:07:08,583 - [Cory] I bet it is. 1540 01:07:08,708 --> 01:07:09,833 - [Marjorie] I have to have a vacuum brush. 1541 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,250 I've already replaced it. 1542 01:07:12,583 --> 01:07:15,333 And she and I were just gonna try to use it but... 1543 01:07:15,458 --> 01:07:18,333 - [Cory] Marjorie, I still wish you could see 1544 01:07:18,417 --> 01:07:20,083 something positive about all this. 1545 01:07:20,208 --> 01:07:21,792 I want you to know I'm following the rules 1546 01:07:21,875 --> 01:07:23,250 and I'm trying my best. Why do you... 1547 01:07:23,375 --> 01:07:25,958 - But you're following the rules, 1548 01:07:26,042 --> 01:07:28,792 but there obviously is literally, 1549 01:07:28,917 --> 01:07:33,750 literally no common sense 1550 01:07:33,875 --> 01:07:36,375 or association that this is a brush 1551 01:07:36,500 --> 01:07:37,833 that goes to an electronic device. 1552 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,375 - [Cory] I disagree. 1553 01:07:39,542 --> 01:07:40,500 I think we're using as much common sense as we can 1554 01:07:40,583 --> 01:07:41,958 with the parameters that we have. 1555 01:07:42,083 --> 01:07:43,125 And that is a hoarded house full of- 1556 01:07:43,208 --> 01:07:45,292 - Okay I don't want- - Listen. 1557 01:07:45,375 --> 01:07:46,708 If you want me to listen, you have to listen to me. 1558 01:07:46,875 --> 01:07:47,958 - I apologize. 1559 01:07:48,042 --> 01:07:50,000 - I'm tired of you being negative 1560 01:07:50,083 --> 01:07:51,667 and blame us for every little negative thing. 1561 01:07:51,792 --> 01:07:53,250 You're very negative. 1562 01:07:53,375 --> 01:07:56,000 We are trying our best to give you a safe 1563 01:07:56,083 --> 01:07:57,958 and functional home that you don't burn up in. 1564 01:07:58,042 --> 01:07:59,208 That you can go to surgery, 1565 01:07:59,375 --> 01:08:00,875 you can have home health home care. 1566 01:08:01,042 --> 01:08:03,542 When does that sink in? 1567 01:08:03,667 --> 01:08:06,875 Why do you just pick every little thing 1568 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:08,250 that you can to find 1569 01:08:08,375 --> 01:08:09,833 that's a negative and not see the bigger picture. 1570 01:08:09,958 --> 01:08:12,042 - I paid a lot of money? - I don't care. 1571 01:08:12,208 --> 01:08:13,375 How much is your husband worth? 1572 01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:15,167 - Because it's a safe- - I don't care. 1573 01:08:15,292 --> 01:08:16,417 I honestly don't care. 1574 01:08:16,542 --> 01:08:18,667 - Allergy free bag. - I don't care. 1575 01:08:18,792 --> 01:08:20,250 - And now you've thrown away the brush that I need. 1576 01:08:20,375 --> 01:08:21,458 - [Cory] I care about you and I care about Irv. 1577 01:08:21,542 --> 01:08:22,667 I don't care about a vacuum attachment 1578 01:08:22,750 --> 01:08:23,417 that was buried in your kitchen, 1579 01:08:23,542 --> 01:08:24,167 that you haven't used in years. 1580 01:08:24,333 --> 01:08:25,667 How could have you. 1581 01:08:25,833 --> 01:08:27,667 You couldn't even gotten to it. 1582 01:08:27,833 --> 01:08:29,167 - [Marjorie] It was there on my kitchen counter 1583 01:08:29,250 --> 01:08:32,000 where I used- - Along with everything else. 1584 01:08:32,125 --> 01:08:36,167 - I used it to get cobwebs. - Okay, well, 1585 01:08:36,292 --> 01:08:37,458 I don't know what to tell you, 1586 01:08:37,583 --> 01:08:38,458 but I'm not gonna worry about a vacuum piece. 1587 01:08:38,542 --> 01:08:39,917 - Okay, okay. - I'm really not. 1588 01:08:40,042 --> 01:08:41,292 It's a lot bigger things to worry about. 1589 01:08:41,417 --> 01:08:44,417 - Of course. - Like not spilled water. 1590 01:08:44,542 --> 01:08:46,125 Those are the things you're picking on, 1591 01:08:46,250 --> 01:08:47,333 - [Marjorie] On my hardwood floors. 1592 01:08:47,458 --> 01:08:49,000 - [Cory] Oh my God, seriously, 1593 01:08:49,167 --> 01:08:50,250 your hardwood floors that are thrashed 1594 01:08:50,375 --> 01:08:52,708 from all the stuff that you have all over it. 1595 01:08:52,833 --> 01:08:54,875 Are you really gonna say that your hardwood floor 1596 01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,167 is so nice - Water is more harmful 1597 01:08:56,333 --> 01:09:00,167 than scratches, water expands wood sweetheart. 1598 01:09:00,250 --> 01:09:01,500 That's why the water - I'm well aware. 1599 01:09:01,625 --> 01:09:04,417 I'm well aware, but the condition of your house 1600 01:09:04,542 --> 01:09:06,042 is not one where I really see you worried 1601 01:09:06,167 --> 01:09:07,708 about the condition of your hardwood floors. 1602 01:09:07,875 --> 01:09:10,583 I see you picking on us for things deflecting 1603 01:09:10,708 --> 01:09:12,208 from the real situation. - Thank you. 1604 01:09:12,375 --> 01:09:13,042 - You're welcome. 1605 01:09:13,208 --> 01:09:14,792 Good luck. 1606 01:09:14,917 --> 01:09:15,375 (intense music) 1607 01:09:29,208 --> 01:09:30,708 - Keep. 1608 01:09:30,875 --> 01:09:33,375 (intense music) 1609 01:09:41,542 --> 01:09:43,417 - Good morning, everyone. - [All] Morning. 1610 01:09:43,542 --> 01:09:45,875 - [Cory] We made it to the final day. 1611 01:09:46,042 --> 01:09:47,000 - Woo. - Which at times 1612 01:09:47,083 --> 01:09:48,000 I thought wasn't gonna have happen. 1613 01:09:48,167 --> 01:09:51,167 - Woo. - So, but we're here. 1614 01:09:51,250 --> 01:09:53,417 I have some concerns moving forward 1615 01:09:53,542 --> 01:09:55,167 and leaving the home like it is. 1616 01:09:55,292 --> 01:09:57,333 We've kind of stopped and started in different areas. 1617 01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:59,250 And I don't want to leave a situation 1618 01:09:59,375 --> 01:10:00,792 worse than when we came. 1619 01:10:00,917 --> 01:10:03,333 So here's the items that I would like to get to today 1620 01:10:03,458 --> 01:10:04,250 and then we can get your feedback. 1621 01:10:04,375 --> 01:10:05,500 - [Marjorie] Okay. 1622 01:10:05,583 --> 01:10:06,917 The backyard I think we have to straighten up, 1623 01:10:07,042 --> 01:10:09,042 the sorting area and just kind of the hodgepodge stuff 1624 01:10:09,208 --> 01:10:10,500 we left back there, okay. 1625 01:10:10,583 --> 01:10:13,500 I would love to finish the family room. 1626 01:10:13,625 --> 01:10:15,375 It's totally up to you, if we do. 1627 01:10:15,542 --> 01:10:18,167 - [Marjorie] We were in the family room together last night. 1628 01:10:18,292 --> 01:10:20,833 - Nice. - And we talked 1629 01:10:20,958 --> 01:10:23,167 and I have to tell you I appreciate 1630 01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:25,083 some of the things you've set aside in there 1631 01:10:25,208 --> 01:10:31,167 so much, but we're gonna say no to that. 1632 01:10:31,292 --> 01:10:33,542 We're simply not ready for that. 1633 01:10:36,208 --> 01:10:37,167 - [Cory] Can you sit in the front yard 1634 01:10:37,250 --> 01:10:39,125 as we un-bury the washing machine 1635 01:10:39,208 --> 01:10:40,792 and with realistic thoughts, 1636 01:10:40,917 --> 01:10:44,292 expectations of things say that really can go. 1637 01:10:44,375 --> 01:10:45,625 I don't need it back in my garage. 1638 01:10:45,708 --> 01:10:47,875 I haven't used it. I'm not gonna use it. 1639 01:10:48,042 --> 01:10:49,167 Can we try that? 1640 01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:50,875 - [Marjorie] What does can go mean? 1641 01:10:51,042 --> 01:10:52,167 - [Marjorie] Can it... - [Cory] It depends on the item, 1642 01:10:52,292 --> 01:10:54,458 I'm trying to compromise so we can 1643 01:10:54,583 --> 01:10:55,625 get you a functioning washer. 1644 01:10:55,708 --> 01:10:57,000 - [Marjorie] I can do that. How's that? 1645 01:10:57,125 --> 01:10:59,000 - [Cory] But will you do me a favor? 1646 01:10:59,125 --> 01:11:00,125 I don't want a hundred percent donation. 1647 01:11:00,250 --> 01:11:01,625 I want you to challenge yourself, 1648 01:11:01,750 --> 01:11:02,917 and when something is - [Marjorie] No. 1649 01:11:03,042 --> 01:11:04,417 absolutely not usable. 1650 01:11:05,417 --> 01:11:08,125 - I will try to be realistic. I promise. 1651 01:11:08,250 --> 01:11:08,917 - Okay. Is that a good compromise? 1652 01:11:09,042 --> 01:11:10,500 - Yes. 1653 01:11:10,583 --> 01:11:11,750 - [Cory] We can get started on the backyard with Pierre. 1654 01:11:11,875 --> 01:11:13,000 - [Marjorie] Yes. 1655 01:11:13,167 --> 01:11:14,250 - [Cory] You guys can start boxing up the laundry room. 1656 01:11:14,375 --> 01:11:15,333 - [Marjorie] Well, well... 1657 01:11:15,458 --> 01:11:16,833 We start out here. 1658 01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,417 (upbeat music) (man exclaims) 1659 01:11:37,667 --> 01:11:40,167 - [Marjorie] This goes in our bedroom. 1660 01:11:40,250 --> 01:11:41,792 This can go in the bedroom. 1661 01:11:41,875 --> 01:11:43,750 I gotta have some kind of Chest of drawer. 1662 01:11:43,875 --> 01:11:47,167 This could go somewhere where the triple dresser was. 1663 01:11:47,292 --> 01:11:48,167 - [Cory] Is that going in? - Yeah. 1664 01:11:48,292 --> 01:11:50,333 You know where the armoire was? 1665 01:11:50,458 --> 01:11:51,750 - Okay. - Put it there. 1666 01:11:51,875 --> 01:11:55,750 Put the big white thing in the left corner 1667 01:11:55,875 --> 01:11:58,667 where the boxes of books were, to the left of the window. 1668 01:11:58,792 --> 01:11:59,500 - Okay. 1669 01:11:59,667 --> 01:12:01,542 Everything else goes back, Cory. 1670 01:12:04,625 --> 01:12:06,417 - [Cory] Okay, so everything else is going in that room, 1671 01:12:06,542 --> 01:12:07,917 just wherever we can fit it. 1672 01:12:08,042 --> 01:12:12,250 - [Marjorie] Yes, in the best way, leave us a clear path. 1673 01:12:12,750 --> 01:12:14,000 - [Cory] Do you need all this? Are you gonna use it? 1674 01:12:14,125 --> 01:12:15,375 Is it necessary? - I'm sorry. 1675 01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:17,125 You asked me what goes back. 1676 01:12:17,208 --> 01:12:18,167 Yes, please. - Okay, 1677 01:12:18,292 --> 01:12:19,750 I just wanna make sure. - Thank you. 1678 01:12:19,875 --> 01:12:21,000 - [Cory] It's definitely not gonna look...right. 1679 01:12:21,167 --> 01:12:21,958 - [Marjorie] Thank you. 1680 01:12:22,833 --> 01:12:23,500 - [Cory] Okey doke. 1681 01:12:23,625 --> 01:12:25,292 Put this in the bedroom also. 1682 01:12:25,417 --> 01:12:26,375 - [Cory] We have a lot of stuff, 1683 01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:27,667 furniture already in your bedroom. 1684 01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:29,458 - [Marjorie] Put this in the bedroom also, please. 1685 01:12:29,583 --> 01:12:30,333 It'll go with that. 1686 01:12:30,417 --> 01:12:31,833 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie, 1687 01:12:31,958 --> 01:12:33,500 Do you think you might be better off if you had less? 1688 01:12:33,625 --> 01:12:34,833 I see you turning your back on me, Marjorie. 1689 01:12:34,958 --> 01:12:38,292 - [Marjorie] I am not sending anything else your way, 1690 01:12:38,375 --> 01:12:40,500 but thank you very much for your comment. 1691 01:12:41,625 --> 01:12:42,750 - [Dr. Tolin] Marjorie. - Yes, please. 1692 01:12:42,875 --> 01:12:44,833 - Do you mean to disrespect me right now? 1693 01:12:46,375 --> 01:12:47,500 Are you trying to, - [Marjorie] No. 1694 01:12:47,625 --> 01:12:48,625 or is that just happening naturally? 1695 01:12:48,750 --> 01:12:51,917 - No, but if you keep challenging me, 1696 01:12:52,042 --> 01:12:53,500 we won't get done. 1697 01:12:53,667 --> 01:12:54,833 - [Dr. Tolin] Well, but I'm challenging you 1698 01:12:54,917 --> 01:12:56,875 to think about whether maybe you need less stuff 1699 01:12:57,042 --> 01:12:58,583 than you currently have. 1700 01:12:58,708 --> 01:13:00,917 - [Marjorie] Of course I do. But not today. 1701 01:13:01,042 --> 01:13:04,000 Thank you. Not today sir. 1702 01:13:04,125 --> 01:13:05,458 - [Dr. Tolin] Why not today? 1703 01:13:05,583 --> 01:13:06,667 You've, you've got the personnel, and the trucks here. 1704 01:13:06,792 --> 01:13:08,458 - [Marjorie] Not today sir. Sorry. 1705 01:13:09,667 --> 01:13:10,750 - [Dr. Tolin] Help me understand your thinking. 1706 01:13:10,875 --> 01:13:13,167 Why? Why not today? 1707 01:13:13,292 --> 01:13:14,500 - [Marjorie] I have to contact people 1708 01:13:14,583 --> 01:13:16,625 and have them come pick it up. 1709 01:13:16,708 --> 01:13:18,750 Okay, I'm pretty sure we could get it outta here, right? 1710 01:13:18,875 --> 01:13:20,375 I mean, if we need to. 1711 01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:22,500 - [Marjorie] But people aren't at my beck and call, sir. 1712 01:13:22,583 --> 01:13:23,625 - Taking it to another charity 1713 01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:25,958 that we have the capability to take it to 1714 01:13:26,042 --> 01:13:28,375 is off the table completely. 1715 01:13:28,542 --> 01:13:29,833 They said they'd take it from us today. 1716 01:13:29,958 --> 01:13:31,375 - [Marjorie] Yes, it is. 1717 01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:32,250 Thank you. No. 1718 01:13:32,375 --> 01:13:33,833 Thank you. No. 1719 01:13:43,583 --> 01:13:44,667 - [Cory] Are you ready to tackle the garage 1720 01:13:44,792 --> 01:13:47,125 so we can get to your washing machine? 1721 01:13:47,250 --> 01:13:48,625 - Yes, sir. Right here. 1722 01:13:48,750 --> 01:13:50,667 - We agreed that you would try to challenge yourself 1723 01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:52,917 a little bit, right? - Absolutely. 1724 01:13:53,042 --> 01:13:53,875 - [Cory] You'd try to challenge yourself. 1725 01:13:54,042 --> 01:13:54,833 - Absolutely. - Okay. 1726 01:13:54,917 --> 01:13:56,125 What can go in here? That you can see. 1727 01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:57,333 - [Marjorie] I don't see anything yet. 1728 01:13:57,500 --> 01:13:58,667 - [Cory] See nothing that can go in here. 1729 01:13:58,792 --> 01:14:01,458 - [Marjorie] I see no trash. 1730 01:14:01,583 --> 01:14:02,958 - [Cory] How do you see no trash? 1731 01:14:03,042 --> 01:14:04,750 Do you think this is keep? 1732 01:14:04,875 --> 01:14:06,625 Do you need to touch it and feel it to think that this is. 1733 01:14:06,708 --> 01:14:08,500 - [Marjorie] I need to identify what it, 1734 01:14:08,667 --> 01:14:10,625 of course that's trash, it's empty box. 1735 01:14:10,708 --> 01:14:12,083 That that's what I want you to see. 1736 01:14:12,208 --> 01:14:13,458 - [Marjorie] I can't see it, sir. 1737 01:14:13,542 --> 01:14:15,583 I'm not standing up there. - Hey, you wanna stand up? 1738 01:14:15,708 --> 01:14:16,542 - If it's, how about this? 1739 01:14:16,667 --> 01:14:18,083 If you see an empty box - No. 1740 01:14:18,208 --> 01:14:19,167 it's trash. 1741 01:14:19,292 --> 01:14:20,667 - No, I want you to identify trash. 1742 01:14:20,792 --> 01:14:22,250 That's what this whole exercises is about. 1743 01:14:22,375 --> 01:14:24,500 We said we were gonna challenge your normal way of thinking, 1744 01:14:24,667 --> 01:14:26,000 but I that's the agreement. 1745 01:14:26,167 --> 01:14:28,583 - I have to see it first. - Where do you get this stuff? 1746 01:14:28,708 --> 01:14:30,417 Where does it all come from? 1747 01:14:30,542 --> 01:14:32,625 - [Marjorie] I have not shopped in years. 1748 01:14:32,750 --> 01:14:34,000 - [Cory] So this is from years ago? 1749 01:14:34,125 --> 01:14:35,583 - [Marjorie] I have not shopped here in years. 1750 01:14:35,708 --> 01:14:37,000 - [Cory] That's what I'm asking, is it from years ago? 1751 01:14:37,167 --> 01:14:41,000 - [Marjorie] I will not shop hardly ever again. 1752 01:14:41,083 --> 01:14:42,000 - [Cory] You shopped for this years ago, 1753 01:14:42,167 --> 01:14:43,458 you just said, right? 1754 01:14:43,542 --> 01:14:46,375 - [Marjorie] Yes, I acquired it years ago. 1755 01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:48,833 - [Cory] So are you really gonna need any of it 1756 01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,500 if you haven't needed it in years? 1757 01:14:51,667 --> 01:14:54,500 - [Marjorie] Yes, because now you've given me space 1758 01:14:54,625 --> 01:14:57,208 to organize myself better. 1759 01:14:57,375 --> 01:15:00,542 And some of these things here are better 1760 01:15:00,708 --> 01:15:03,667 than what I have inside or better size or something. 1761 01:15:03,833 --> 01:15:06,125 - [Cory] How is this better than something that you have? 1762 01:15:06,208 --> 01:15:07,208 - [Marjorie] I have been... 1763 01:15:07,375 --> 01:15:08,500 It's been out in your garage for years, 1764 01:15:08,667 --> 01:15:09,500 how is it better than - [Marjorie] It is... 1765 01:15:09,625 --> 01:15:10,667 all the linens we've saved for you? 1766 01:15:10,750 --> 01:15:13,625 - [Marjorie] Because an old cotton 1767 01:15:13,708 --> 01:15:16,917 is better than anything new made in China 1768 01:15:17,042 --> 01:15:19,625 that you'll buy today, so I'll take old. 1769 01:15:19,708 --> 01:15:22,167 - [Cory] Marjorie, we have 15 minutes, okay. 1770 01:15:22,333 --> 01:15:24,875 - Okay, let's just stop. 1771 01:15:26,375 --> 01:15:28,875 - Stop? - You're...not 1772 01:15:29,042 --> 01:15:29,792 - Right. 1773 01:15:29,917 --> 01:15:31,833 I'm sorry, you're asking too much. 1774 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,583 - [Dr. Tolin] Remember health over stuff, right? 1775 01:15:33,708 --> 01:15:36,625 I mean, you have too much stuff. 1776 01:15:36,708 --> 01:15:39,208 That means you have to let go of a lot of it. 1777 01:15:39,333 --> 01:15:41,875 - [Marjorie] You need to recognize 1778 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,000 that you're pushing me to my last limit. 1779 01:15:45,125 --> 01:15:46,250 - [Dr. Tolin] No, I think- 1780 01:15:46,375 --> 01:15:49,167 - [Marjorie] You're pushing me to my last physical limit. 1781 01:15:49,292 --> 01:15:50,292 - [Dr. Tolin] Yeah. 1782 01:15:50,417 --> 01:15:54,250 I'm very uncomfortable right now. 1783 01:15:54,375 --> 01:16:00,042 If you won't set this aside and get that washer out, 1784 01:16:00,167 --> 01:16:05,000 just set these things anywhere and stack 'em back in there. 1785 01:16:06,250 --> 01:16:08,458 It won't get done, I guess. 1786 01:16:08,583 --> 01:16:10,833 - [Cory] I agree because that's- 1787 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,417 - And I can live with that, but that's honestly, 1788 01:16:13,542 --> 01:16:14,208 I cannot discuss it anymore. 1789 01:16:14,375 --> 01:16:16,958 I'm not gonna sit here 1790 01:16:17,042 --> 01:16:19,500 and have four people asking me to comply. 1791 01:16:19,667 --> 01:16:22,625 I am not going to do it. 1792 01:16:22,708 --> 01:16:24,500 - [Dr. Tolin] This is not about you bending to our will, 1793 01:16:24,625 --> 01:16:26,750 Marjorie, we're not trying to control you. 1794 01:16:27,667 --> 01:16:29,333 - [Marjorie] I can't do it. 1795 01:16:29,458 --> 01:16:31,167 - [Dr. Tolin] You can't get back to that 1796 01:16:31,333 --> 01:16:32,500 washing machine in 15 minutes. 1797 01:16:32,583 --> 01:16:35,125 - [Marjorie] Not the way you're you're doing it. 1798 01:16:35,250 --> 01:16:36,458 I can't do it. 1799 01:16:36,583 --> 01:16:39,792 - Dr. Tolan, myself, Irv and Marjorie's friends. 1800 01:16:39,875 --> 01:16:42,292 We've tried every trick in the book to break through to her, 1801 01:16:42,417 --> 01:16:43,500 but nothing is getting through 1802 01:16:43,625 --> 01:16:45,375 and I don't think it's going to, at this point. 1803 01:16:45,500 --> 01:16:46,333 (upbeat music) 1804 01:17:04,625 --> 01:17:05,708 - [Marjorie] Donate. 1805 01:17:07,042 --> 01:17:08,542 - [Cory] Are you gonna make quick decisions now? 1806 01:17:08,708 --> 01:17:09,833 - [Marjorie] Donate. 1807 01:17:09,958 --> 01:17:11,667 If I can't see it, I can't make a decision. 1808 01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:12,750 - Let's put it in, she says, donate. 1809 01:17:12,875 --> 01:17:14,375 Put it in. - Can't make a decision. 1810 01:17:14,500 --> 01:17:15,625 How about all this? 1811 01:17:15,708 --> 01:17:16,500 What do you want me to do with this? 1812 01:17:16,625 --> 01:17:18,750 - Let's keep, right back there. 1813 01:17:18,875 --> 01:17:19,833 Right back there. 1814 01:17:19,917 --> 01:17:25,000 Just sit it sort of, good job. 1815 01:17:25,083 --> 01:17:27,375 This is keep and toss right in the middle. 1816 01:17:27,500 --> 01:17:29,125 It's soft right in the middle, soft. 1817 01:17:30,833 --> 01:17:32,042 - [Dr. Tolin] So we're just moving stuff 1818 01:17:32,167 --> 01:17:34,458 from one place to another. - Essentially. 1819 01:17:34,542 --> 01:17:35,500 - Yep. 1820 01:17:35,667 --> 01:17:36,792 We're kind of churning the stuff. 1821 01:17:36,875 --> 01:17:37,875 as oppose to getting rid of stuff, yeah. 1822 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:38,250 - [Marjorie] I know the term churning. 1823 01:17:39,208 --> 01:17:42,292 for today it's churning and I'm sorry. 1824 01:17:44,167 --> 01:17:45,792 - I'm really finding it frustrating 1825 01:17:45,875 --> 01:17:50,833 that we are just essentially acquiescing to 1826 01:17:50,917 --> 01:17:53,500 whatever Marjorie says she wants to have happen. 1827 01:17:53,667 --> 01:17:55,958 Which is not particularly healthy for her. 1828 01:17:56,083 --> 01:17:58,833 - [Marjorie] I believe easily, 1829 01:17:58,958 --> 01:18:03,083 easily 30 or 40% of this will go to charity. 1830 01:18:03,625 --> 01:18:05,500 I just have to figure out which ones 1831 01:18:05,625 --> 01:18:06,333 have 'em come and pick it up. 1832 01:18:06,417 --> 01:18:07,917 - [Dr. Tolin] As you know, 1833 01:18:08,042 --> 01:18:11,042 I'm worried about the follow through, but what can you do? 1834 01:18:11,167 --> 01:18:12,000 - Okay. 1835 01:18:12,125 --> 01:18:12,667 I mean, it's ultimately your stuff. 1836 01:18:12,792 --> 01:18:14,042 It's your decision. 1837 01:18:14,167 --> 01:18:16,667 (upbeat music) 1838 01:18:42,917 --> 01:18:44,542 - Beautiful. - Whoa. 1839 01:18:44,708 --> 01:18:46,417 - [Marjorie] Beautiful. 1840 01:18:46,542 --> 01:18:49,667 Wow and spacious. 1841 01:18:49,792 --> 01:18:51,750 - [Jan] You can see the windows and the walls. 1842 01:18:51,875 --> 01:18:54,083 - Well, it was a little bit of a puzzle, 1843 01:18:54,208 --> 01:18:55,792 fitting all your pieces in here, - Wow. 1844 01:18:55,875 --> 01:18:57,000 making it still functional, 1845 01:18:57,083 --> 01:18:58,917 but oh, - You guys did a great job. 1846 01:18:59,042 --> 01:19:00,125 - [Cory] The most important thing 1847 01:19:00,208 --> 01:19:01,917 I think is you have a place to sit together, 1848 01:19:02,042 --> 01:19:05,292 not in your bed. - Yes, right. 1849 01:19:06,125 --> 01:19:09,458 I'm feeling really good about the progress that we made. 1850 01:19:09,583 --> 01:19:14,125 The people have accomplished way more than I thought 1851 01:19:14,208 --> 01:19:17,333 could be done in the amount of time we had. 1852 01:19:17,458 --> 01:19:20,250 I am so very happy. 1853 01:19:21,458 --> 01:19:22,917 - [Cory] We couldn't have taken things away 1854 01:19:23,042 --> 01:19:24,833 without you guys accepting it, 1855 01:19:24,958 --> 01:19:27,708 giving up a little bit of control throughout the week. 1856 01:19:27,833 --> 01:19:29,625 I say little. (Marjorie and Irv laugh) 1857 01:19:29,708 --> 01:19:30,917 - [Dr. Tolin] And I think Cory and his crew 1858 01:19:31,042 --> 01:19:33,000 have really tried to prioritize safety. 1859 01:19:33,083 --> 01:19:35,042 And that's the really important thing because it's, 1860 01:19:35,167 --> 01:19:38,208 can be hard for you and for Irv to get around, 1861 01:19:38,375 --> 01:19:40,042 especially after you have your hip surgery. 1862 01:19:40,208 --> 01:19:41,750 And I know they wanted to make sure 1863 01:19:41,875 --> 01:19:44,125 that you could walk through easily with a walker 1864 01:19:44,208 --> 01:19:45,792 - [Marjorie] Mm hmm. and not hurt yourself. 1865 01:19:45,917 --> 01:19:47,375 - [Irv] Yeah. I bet your friends are happy 1866 01:19:47,542 --> 01:19:49,333 that they don't have to worry about you as much now. 1867 01:19:49,458 --> 01:19:52,292 - [Jan] Well, the first time I came in here, 1868 01:19:52,417 --> 01:19:55,500 I was really sad and concerned because I know both of 'em 1869 01:19:55,583 --> 01:19:59,375 had a hard time getting around and I don't feel that danger, 1870 01:19:59,542 --> 01:20:02,458 that anxiety that I felt coming in 1871 01:20:02,542 --> 01:20:05,458 and feeling really closed with only this much room. 1872 01:20:05,542 --> 01:20:06,958 - Yeah. 1873 01:20:07,042 --> 01:20:11,792 So I'm very grateful and surprised and pleased, excited. 1874 01:20:12,375 --> 01:20:14,292 - [Ceci] I think in working through this exercise, 1875 01:20:14,417 --> 01:20:17,583 I've certainly learned a lot about how to work with Marjorie 1876 01:20:17,708 --> 01:20:18,833 and things that we can do 1877 01:20:18,917 --> 01:20:21,375 to keep her life on a forward path. 1878 01:20:21,542 --> 01:20:24,167 I'm just thinking positive. I'm really excited. 1879 01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:27,000 - [Dr. Tolin] Pierre, you've been worried about Irv. 1880 01:20:27,083 --> 01:20:28,500 What are you thinking now? 1881 01:20:28,583 --> 01:20:32,500 - Mr. Marshall, Irv's my brother. 1882 01:20:32,625 --> 01:20:33,750 - [Pierre] I love him. 1883 01:20:33,875 --> 01:20:34,958 - [Irv] And Pierre knows better than anybody 1884 01:20:35,042 --> 01:20:37,375 - I love him. And you've taken care of him. 1885 01:20:37,542 --> 01:20:44,750 - How nice for so much had been and how bad it got. 1886 01:20:44,875 --> 01:20:45,833 - Yeah. - [Irv] And... 1887 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:46,958 - [Pierre] And what it can get back to 1888 01:20:47,042 --> 01:20:48,083 - [Irv] And what it can get back to. 1889 01:20:48,208 --> 01:20:52,208 And he pushed a lot to make that happen. 1890 01:20:52,375 --> 01:20:53,500 - He did 1891 01:20:53,583 --> 01:20:54,458 - I'm so thankful for you people. 1892 01:20:55,875 --> 01:20:58,625 It's been so long that my friend has lived 1893 01:20:58,708 --> 01:21:03,667 in this situation and to see him come out of the shell, 1894 01:21:03,792 --> 01:21:08,833 he's been in. Looking forward to his life. 1895 01:21:09,667 --> 01:21:11,333 And that's just so great to see. 1896 01:21:11,417 --> 01:21:14,000 - [Cory] Well, this is just the beginning 1897 01:21:14,083 --> 01:21:16,917 and I hope you guys are ready to see more clean house. 1898 01:21:17,042 --> 01:21:18,375 - Let's see it. - Yes. 1899 01:21:20,542 --> 01:21:22,958 - [Irv] Oh, look at those lamps. 1900 01:21:23,042 --> 01:21:25,333 - Love it. - I love these lamps. 1901 01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:26,833 - [Dr. Tolin] This is the room Marjorie and Irv, 1902 01:21:26,958 --> 01:21:29,458 where you had been spending most of your time, 1903 01:21:29,583 --> 01:21:30,667 I think, right? - Yep. 1904 01:21:30,792 --> 01:21:31,583 - [Dr. Tolin] Most of your existence 1905 01:21:31,708 --> 01:21:33,042 was kind of on this bed 1906 01:21:33,167 --> 01:21:35,208 and you couldn't even really get around the room. 1907 01:21:35,333 --> 01:21:38,042 How's it feel now to see it a little bit clearer? 1908 01:21:38,208 --> 01:21:42,833 - [Irv] It's almost too much to believe, 1909 01:21:42,917 --> 01:21:44,958 it's clear there behind you. 1910 01:21:45,083 --> 01:21:49,083 I can actually see myself maybe going out there 1911 01:21:49,208 --> 01:21:50,833 and sitting in the sun. 1912 01:21:50,958 --> 01:21:51,875 - Mm hmm. - Nice. 1913 01:21:53,125 --> 01:21:54,667 - [Irv] That I wouldn't consider doing before. 1914 01:21:55,083 --> 01:21:57,208 Mostly we're going to be safe. 1915 01:21:57,375 --> 01:21:59,542 - [Dr. Tolin] Yes, that's what's critical. 1916 01:21:59,667 --> 01:22:03,083 - I'm so thankful that I have a safe environment 1917 01:22:03,208 --> 01:22:05,875 to recuperate from my surgery 1918 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,667 and I'm not sure the health challenges 1919 01:22:07,792 --> 01:22:10,875 my husband will be facing in the next few months or years, 1920 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,583 but we've got such a good foundation 1921 01:22:13,708 --> 01:22:15,167 to be safe going forward. 1922 01:22:19,208 --> 01:22:20,000 - [Cory] So what do you guys think? 1923 01:22:20,125 --> 01:22:21,250 This is a pretty drastic change. 1924 01:22:21,375 --> 01:22:22,833 I mean, this kitchen was pretty much unusable. 1925 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:24,833 You couldn't really cook and do much in here before. 1926 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:30,000 - [Marjorie] You made it so much easier and safer. 1927 01:22:30,083 --> 01:22:33,208 I simply wouldn't cook if I didn't have the energy 1928 01:22:33,333 --> 01:22:35,333 to move things a bit. - Right. 1929 01:22:35,458 --> 01:22:38,708 But we just weren't eating as well as we should. 1930 01:22:38,875 --> 01:22:42,833 And that's what you've opened up is all those possibilities. 1931 01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:46,458 I mean, there's no words to express how important that is. 1932 01:22:51,542 --> 01:22:52,958 Well we've got a clear path to the door, 1933 01:22:53,083 --> 01:22:54,708 just about, huh? - That's a start. 1934 01:22:54,833 --> 01:22:57,208 - Yeah. - Yeah. 1935 01:22:57,375 --> 01:22:58,625 - It is a start. 1936 01:22:58,708 --> 01:23:00,792 - [Cory] Clearly we didn't get to complete this room. 1937 01:23:00,875 --> 01:23:02,750 - [Marjorie] Mm hmm. The upstairs is left. 1938 01:23:02,875 --> 01:23:05,375 The rest of this room, you know, needs a good cleaning. 1939 01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:08,375 So I would've loved to have done it all. 1940 01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:10,458 But again, I think with the amount of pressure 1941 01:23:10,583 --> 01:23:12,833 that we put on you and what you were able to do, 1942 01:23:12,917 --> 01:23:14,708 let's just celebrate that victory. 1943 01:23:14,833 --> 01:23:15,792 - [Marjorie] Thank you, thank you. 1944 01:23:15,875 --> 01:23:16,583 - (all) Yeah. - Thank you, thank you. 1945 01:23:18,542 --> 01:23:19,375 (truck beeping) 1946 01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:20,750 - [Cory] At the end of this cleanup, 1947 01:23:20,875 --> 01:23:21,917 we got rid of a total of three dumpsters 1948 01:23:22,042 --> 01:23:23,333 totaling about 12 tons. 1949 01:23:23,458 --> 01:23:25,167 Even with the struggles we have with Marjorie 1950 01:23:25,292 --> 01:23:27,000 and not getting the entire home clean, 1951 01:23:27,083 --> 01:23:28,417 we were will to address the crisis, 1952 01:23:28,542 --> 01:23:29,792 which was having a functional bedroom, 1953 01:23:29,875 --> 01:23:32,167 kitchen, bathroom, and dining room. 1954 01:23:32,292 --> 01:23:34,000 I still feel good about that. 1955 01:23:34,125 --> 01:23:35,833 You know, part of the aftercare 1956 01:23:35,958 --> 01:23:37,667 can continue to work on this stuff. 1957 01:23:37,792 --> 01:23:39,125 - [Dr. Tolin] I think Marjorie, 1958 01:23:39,250 --> 01:23:41,458 it's gonna be important to do aftercare on two fronts. 1959 01:23:41,542 --> 01:23:43,708 I mean, I think you and your friends 1960 01:23:43,833 --> 01:23:46,083 and your husband need to keep working on this stuff, 1961 01:23:46,208 --> 01:23:47,833 but I also think it's important 1962 01:23:47,958 --> 01:23:49,333 for you to kind of work on yourself. 1963 01:23:49,417 --> 01:23:52,000 And so I'd really like you to work with a psychologist 1964 01:23:52,167 --> 01:23:54,125 and I found a good one for you 1965 01:23:54,208 --> 01:23:56,125 who can do teletherapy with you 1966 01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:58,667 while you're recovering from your hip surgery. 1967 01:23:58,833 --> 01:24:00,708 And I'd really like you to keep that appointment and do it. 1968 01:24:00,875 --> 01:24:03,917 - I intend to. - Good. 1969 01:24:04,042 --> 01:24:05,208 Good. I hope so. 1970 01:24:05,333 --> 01:24:06,333 And I think you'll be happy with the results 1971 01:24:06,458 --> 01:24:07,500 if you really stay with that. 1972 01:24:07,625 --> 01:24:09,042 - [Marjorie] Okay. 1973 01:24:09,167 --> 01:24:11,542 (calm music) 1974 01:24:14,833 --> 01:24:17,208 - [Dr. Tolin] If I were to come back to Marjorie's house 1975 01:24:17,375 --> 01:24:19,958 and she has followed through with the aftercare 1976 01:24:20,083 --> 01:24:23,125 and her friends are sticking to the plan, 1977 01:24:23,208 --> 01:24:25,875 I think that we'll see continued improvement. 1978 01:24:26,042 --> 01:24:27,875 Marjorie seems committed to it 1979 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,958 and I'm hopeful that she means it. 1980 01:24:30,042 --> 01:24:32,083 - [Cory] So the doctor and I are gonna leave, 1981 01:24:32,208 --> 01:24:35,292 head home, but good luck with everything. 1982 01:24:35,375 --> 01:24:37,417 And please continue to do what you're doing. 1983 01:24:37,542 --> 01:24:38,333 Best of luck. 1984 01:24:38,667 --> 01:24:39,917 - (both) Thank you. 1985 01:24:40,042 --> 01:24:41,167 - Thank you. 1986 01:24:42,708 --> 01:24:44,583 (calm music)