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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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- You can never tell
if a movie's

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going to do well or not.

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- We knew we had it;
it was a good idea.

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But no one knew
we had a phenomenon.

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- A love letter to our common
condition and to New York.

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- Ivan decided to add
a hundred shots.

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- The date that it's gonna open
is in, like, 3 1/2 weeks.

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- You never know,
in this business,

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how long something's going
to last

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and whether it's just
going to me a trend, a fad,

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or have some
enduring impact and, um,

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as certainly as we see today,
it does.

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[whooshing]

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<i>- You know, I had a kind of</i>
<i>feeling that it was unique.</i>

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- In America, something
very unexpected happened.

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"Indiana Jones" was outstripped
at the box office

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by a picture called
"Ghostbusters."

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- It's all the more surprising
when you realize

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that Steven Spielberg had
nothing at all to do with it.

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<i>- That kind of comedy, with</i>
<i>those kind of special effects.</i>

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<i>- To quote "Variety" again,</i>

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"Gags and special effects
scare pic misses its mark."

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Well, I certainly wouldn't
go along with that.

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It hits its mark, all right,

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and turned out to be the
biggest jackpot of the year.

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- And that crew,
that was so hot at that time.

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- Did you expect "Ghostbusters"
to be as popular as it was?

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- Yes.
[audience laughs]

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- When that came out,
suddenly I was famous.

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<i>- I think anybody would have</i>
<i>to be very arrogant and say,</i>

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<i>"I'm gonna do more than</i>
<i>$200 million</i>

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<i>when only five films</i>
<i>had done that previously."</i>

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- So it gives you some idea of
how major a phenomena it was

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and then repeat it
in subsequent summers.

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- This was a real movie.

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- And no one had done a comedy
on that scale.

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- I didn't even know
what a BAFTA award was.

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- <i>"Ghostbusters."</i>
- I don't know about winning.

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<i>I didn't think</i>
<i>I was gonna win.</i>

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<i>I'm sorry if I'm not as calm</i>
<i>as some of the other winners.</i>

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It always seems like it goes to
the other guy, you know?

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- I think we fully believed
that we were gonna carve out

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a little niche in film history.

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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<i>- It all starts with</i>
<i>this gentleman.</i>

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<i>Dr. Samuel Augustus Aykroyd,</i>
<i>my great-grandfather</i>

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<i>who was a dentist</i>
<i>in Kingston, Ontario.</i>

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<i>Great-grandfather Sam,</i>
<i>as well as being a dentist,</i>

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<i>was a psychic researcher</i>
<i>in the tradition of</i>

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<i>the British Psychical Society</i>
<i>and the American Society</i>

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of Psychical Research, and um,
he, throughout his life,

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was interested in the survival
of the consciousness

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<i>in mediumship, channeling,</i>
<i>afterlife voices,</i>

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where the dead really are
living, in terms of a presence.

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<i>You could go to Lily Dale</i>
<i>near Buffalo New York</i>

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<i>and my great-grandfather was</i>

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<i>the reviewer</i>
<i>of all the psychic acts</i>

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<i>that rolled through town,</i>

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whether it be a channeler,
a mediumship,

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whether it be a precipitated
painter like the Bang sisters

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<i>or the Campbell brothers.</i>
<i>And every Sunday,</i>

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these big, black cars
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and men and women
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would come just like Sunday
to church.

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<i>There was an impresario,</i>
<i>my great-grandfather,</i>

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<i>there was a showman,</i>
<i>Mr. Ashurst,</i>

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<i>who became the family medium.</i>

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<i>He was a gifted medium--</i>
<i>really, really gifted.</i>

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<i>He could speak in Chinese</i>
<i>and Hungarian</i>

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<i>and he made trumpets</i>
<i>fly around the room.</i>

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<i>So my great-grandfather</i>
<i>watched</i>

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<i>and he wrote about them,</i>

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whether they were genuine,
hoaxes,

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whether they were
appealing or not,

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and we found a trunkful
of his letters.

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<i>So his letters, his journals</i>
<i>were always in the family</i>

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<i>when I was growing up,</i>

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<i>and after I made my living in</i>
<i>comedy, I thought, why not mix</i>

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the real world of psychic
research, using the real work

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of Dr. Wohl
and the Maimonides Dream Lab

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<i>and Duke University's</i>
<i>Parapsychological Department,</i>

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<i>and use what was</i>
<i>really going on</i>

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<i>in the science in terms of</i>
<i>researching</i>

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<i>whether there is survival</i>
<i>of the consciousness</i>

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and whether there are, in fact,
such things as materializations

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and apparitions and, you know,
take that jargon

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and that knowledge

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and make a good, old fashioned
ghost comedy.

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<i>♪ ♪</i>

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- I don't believe in ghosts.

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Or do I?

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<i>- The property</i>
<i>got the enthusiasm first</i>

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<i>of Bernie Brillstein,</i>
<i>my agent, God rest his soul--</i>

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there's a voice I would like
to hear from the past.

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[imitating Brillstein]
How ya doing, kid?

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Hi, kid, hi, hi, hi!

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<i>[normal voice]</i>
<i>Also got the enthusiasm</i>

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<i>of Michael Ovitz, the famous</i>
<i>agent who founded CAA.</i>

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Those two guys looked at this
and said, "This is, you know,

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"we really have something here,
so let's package it

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<i>the right way and get</i>
<i>the right people involved."</i>

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<i>- "Ghostbusters" started as</i>

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this sort of
very famous treatment

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that was written by
Dan Aykroyd.

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- I know Ivan from years--
he hired me as an announcer

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on a television station
in the '70s

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in Toronto, so I know him
for many years,

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<i>and the fact that Harold Ramis</i>
<i>had worked with him.</i>

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<i>- The concept was so strong.</i>

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He had written it
in the early '80s

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and it was set in 2012,
I think.

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- It was a much
different kind of movie.

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<i>Danny always imagined</i>
<i>that John Belushi and he</i>

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being part of this
for a science fiction movie.

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<i>- Eddie Murphy, myself,</i>
<i>and John</i>

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<i>were supposed to be</i>
<i>the original Ghostbusters.</i>

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- You know, it took place
in outer space,

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sometime in the future.

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<i>- For a variety of</i>
<i>technical reasons,</i>

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there was a hole torn
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this is all in
a little prologue.

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<i>- We rip the fabric of our</i>
<i>dimension with the EMF waves.</i>

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<i>That was the original premise</i>
<i>of the first movie,</i>

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that all of this electronica
around us is yielding a rift

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<i>in the interdimensional veil</i>

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<i>between our dimension</i>
<i>and the next one.</i>

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<i>- And the ghost energy that</i>
<i>flooded into New York City</i>

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giving rise to a new
profession, Ghostbusters.

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- I was working with Ivan
and Danny Aykroyd sent over

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a script, which was very long.

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<i>And my memory is that there</i>
<i>were a lot of Ghostbusters</i>

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<i>and they were</i>
<i>sort of like plumbers.</i>

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- I can't believe I work for
a company called Ghostbusters.

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- Sort of a blue collar job.

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<i>- And the team</i>
<i>in the movie was</i>

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<i>just one of</i>
<i>many Ghostbuster units</i>

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and they thought of us
as like the Orkin men...

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- ♪ <i>To control your pests</i>
<i>Orkin is best</i> ♪

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♪ <i>Call the Oslo the Orkin man</i> ♪

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<i>- To show up</i>
<i>in this marked truck</i>

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<i>and exterminate</i>
<i>the ghosts and leave.</i>

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<i>- Had the proton packs,</i>
<i>had a Marshmallow Man--</i>

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mind you, it was one of
50 large illusions.

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<i>- Which necessitated</i>
<i>the Ghostbusters travelling</i>

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interdimensionally
into another world,

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<i>and that other world</i>
<i>would be</i>

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<i>entirely a world</i>
<i>of special effects.</i>

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<i>Like, the whole</i>
<i>last third of the movie was</i>

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one huge special effect.

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<i>- This was sort of</i>
<i>this extravaganza</i>

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that he had concocted.

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- ♪ <i>Fighting ghosts</i> ♪

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- <i>Ghostbusters.</i>

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- Danny came to Needham
and they went to Art's Deli.

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- I said to him, Dan, there's
a great idea here, but we--

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you know, I really think
it should take place today,

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you know,
in a contemporary time,

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it should be in a real city,
on Earth, i.e. New York.

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<i>All this fantastic stuff</i>
<i>will be much more impressive</i>

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<i>set against the reality</i>
<i>that we knew.</i>

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- But also it seemed like the
real comedy heart of the film

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<i>was in the juxtaposition</i>
<i>of these ghost janitors</i>

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<i>taking the supernatural and</i>
<i>making it completely mundane</i>

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and setting it in a place
as grounded and gritty

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as New York City.

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- But that basic idea,

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that wonderfully
brilliant idea, was there.

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<i>- Ivan had known me</i>
<i>since the Lampoon days.</i>

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Ivan said to Dan, "You know,
why don't we get Ramis?

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<i>"You guys can</i>
<i>rewrite the script</i>

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<i>and he can play</i>
<i>one of the Ghostbusters."</i>

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And since John had passed away,

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<i>Dan had developed a friendship</i>
<i>with Bill Murray</i>

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starting way back when Bill and
I were in the Lampoon together.

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- We said we gotta
get Murray in on this,

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and we gotta give it to Murray,
we gotta give him the lead

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and let him be the greatest
romantic lead that the world

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has ever seen and he did do
that for us, he pulled it off.

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<i>- I was having a pretty</i>
<i>good time with the studios.</i>

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<i>My first three movies were</i>
<i>"Animal House,"</i>

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<i>"Meatballs" and "Stripes."</i>

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<i>I called up the head of</i>
<i>Columbia Pictures</i>

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and I said, Frank,
I have this great idea

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and it's gonna have Bill Murray

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and Dan Aykroyd, it's called
"Ghostbusters," I want to bring

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Harold Ramis in as a star
as well

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and as a cowriter with Danny.

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<i>He said, "Well, come on in</i>
<i>and tell me about it,"</i>

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and literally a half hour
after this conversation began,

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he said, "Well, how much
do you think it'll cost?"

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And I had no idea
what it was going to cost

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and I just picked
a very big number.

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- I remember Ivan holding it up
and saying...

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<i>- I think we could do it</i>
<i>for about 30 million.</i>

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<i>- He said, "You have $30</i>
<i>million, as long as you can</i>

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<i>deliver it by June of 1984,"</i>

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and this was about May 1983

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when this conversation
took place.

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- We sort of dropped and said,
"Sure, yeah, sure."

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- What we were facing suddenly
was here, in May of 1983,

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<i>was having to write</i>
<i>the screenplay,</i>

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<i>basically find</i>
<i>an effects house</i>

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<i>who could actually pull</i>
<i>the visual effects off</i>

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and cast it
and put it together,

215
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and we had really zip,

216
00:09:53,464 --> 00:09:55,866
<i>we had to reconstruct</i>
<i>a script from scratch.</i>

217
00:09:55,933 --> 00:09:58,369
[typewriter clicking]

218
00:09:58,436 --> 00:10:00,905
<i>We went to Martha's Vineyard</i>
<i>together, Harold Ramis,</i>

219
00:10:00,972 --> 00:10:03,675
Dan Aykroyd and I,
and our respective families.

220
00:10:03,741 --> 00:10:06,978
- Dan had a house on Martha's
Vineyard, he and John Belushi

221
00:10:07,044 --> 00:10:08,346
when they'd gotten successful

222
00:10:08,412 --> 00:10:10,481
each bought a house
on the Vineyard.

223
00:10:10,548 --> 00:10:12,984
<i>And driving up, when you hit</i>
<i>the edge of his property,</i>

224
00:10:13,050 --> 00:10:14,619
there's a military checkpoint.

225
00:10:14,686 --> 00:10:17,622
I remember there was a barrier
that came down and it was

226
00:10:17,689 --> 00:10:21,826
painted in military colors and
everything, and up in his house

227
00:10:21,892 --> 00:10:23,527
he said, "Well, let's work
in the basement,"

228
00:10:23,594 --> 00:10:27,431
which was painted camouflage,
the whole basement was camo.

229
00:10:27,498 --> 00:10:30,301
- And so we would meet in the
basement every day from about

230
00:10:30,368 --> 00:10:35,072
11:00 in the morning to about
7:00 or 8:00 at night,

231
00:10:35,139 --> 00:10:36,807
and then go back
to our families

232
00:10:36,874 --> 00:10:38,710
who were having
a great vacation.

233
00:10:38,776 --> 00:10:40,278
- When you have a great idea,

234
00:10:40,344 --> 00:10:41,680
<i>when you really know</i>
<i>what you're doing</i>

235
00:10:41,747 --> 00:10:43,948
<i>and you feel confident</i>
<i>about it and you're laughing</i>

236
00:10:44,015 --> 00:10:46,384
to yourself and it feels
really fresh--

237
00:10:46,450 --> 00:10:48,953
I'm not saying these things
write themselves,

238
00:10:49,020 --> 00:10:50,988
but there's just
a real easy flow to it.

239
00:10:53,224 --> 00:10:54,992
<i>So our first draft together</i>
<i>was written</i>

240
00:10:55,059 --> 00:10:57,094
<i>in a relatively</i>
<i>short amount of time.</i>

241
00:10:57,161 --> 00:10:59,997
- And we just basically
pounded the script out

242
00:11:00,064 --> 00:11:01,499
over a two week period.

243
00:11:01,565 --> 00:11:03,801
- Very exciting and very
entertaining to play

244
00:11:03,868 --> 00:11:05,436
in that area, as we did.

245
00:11:05,503 --> 00:11:08,005
- It was so much fun and
it was so funny, but we had--

246
00:11:08,072 --> 00:11:10,441
one of the first big changes,

247
00:11:10,508 --> 00:11:12,510
which Ivan and I came to quite
independently

248
00:11:12,576 --> 00:11:14,713
<i>was that we wanted</i>
<i>the audience to experience</i>

249
00:11:14,780 --> 00:11:19,751
<i>the journey from skepticism</i>
<i>to belief</i>

250
00:11:19,817 --> 00:11:21,585
because I'm a skeptic
and I thought,

251
00:11:21,653 --> 00:11:23,054
well, if I were this character,

252
00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,489
I'd need to be convinced
that these things were real,

253
00:11:25,556 --> 00:11:29,026
<i>and no one had any conception</i>
<i>yet of who those Ghostbusters</i>

254
00:11:29,093 --> 00:11:31,595
were because Dan's script
was very technical

255
00:11:31,663 --> 00:11:33,264
and very abstract.

256
00:11:33,331 --> 00:11:35,032
<i>So if you'd read it</i>
<i>at the time,</i>

257
00:11:35,099 --> 00:11:36,802
<i>you wouldn't see</i>
<i>much differentiation</i>

258
00:11:36,867 --> 00:11:39,103
<i>or real specific</i>
<i>personality</i>

259
00:11:39,170 --> 00:11:40,706
<i>among the Ghostbusters.</i>

260
00:11:40,772 --> 00:11:43,742
So the fact that they were kind
of really neutral was good

261
00:11:43,809 --> 00:11:47,411
<i>because it allowed us to put</i>
<i>our own character imprint</i>

262
00:11:47,478 --> 00:11:49,046
<i>over each of them.</i>

263
00:11:49,113 --> 00:11:51,717
- You know, most scientists and
physicists from the '30s

264
00:11:51,783 --> 00:11:53,752
and '40s and '50s, you know,
a lot of them are Germans

265
00:11:53,819 --> 00:11:57,555
and Swiss and Spengler,
Stanz and Venkman seemed to be,

266
00:11:57,621 --> 00:12:00,057
you know, us Swiss
and German Americans.

267
00:12:00,124 --> 00:12:03,027
Americans, though, please,
absolutely, yeah,

268
00:12:03,094 --> 00:12:05,096
new countrymen,
new countrymen.

269
00:12:05,162 --> 00:12:07,198
- Ivan one day turned to me
and said,

270
00:12:07,264 --> 00:12:09,567
<i>"What if the Ghostbusters</i>
<i>were college professors?"</i>

271
00:12:09,634 --> 00:12:11,869
<i>And I said, hey, I get that, I</i>
<i>used to teach at a university,</i>

272
00:12:11,936 --> 00:12:14,538
I understand what that would be
like, that's a great idea.

273
00:12:14,605 --> 00:12:17,174
- So instead of making them
just janitors

274
00:12:17,241 --> 00:12:19,377
or the guys who come

275
00:12:19,443 --> 00:12:20,746
and get the termites out
of your basement,

276
00:12:20,812 --> 00:12:23,347
<i>we thought we'd make them</i>
<i>scientists.</i>

277
00:12:23,414 --> 00:12:25,483
- <i>[bleep] off, man,</i>
<i>I'm a scientist.</i>

278
00:12:25,549 --> 00:12:27,351
<i>- Bill's specialty</i>
<i>was kind of psychology</i>

279
00:12:27,418 --> 00:12:30,054
<i>and Dan was really into</i>
<i>the ghost stuff.</i>

280
00:12:30,121 --> 00:12:33,157
<i>I was a theoretical physicist,</i>
<i>and we'd been hoping to see</i>

281
00:12:33,224 --> 00:12:35,326
something real and it seemed
like a great way to start,

282
00:12:35,393 --> 00:12:38,062
by seeing that first
real manifestation

283
00:12:38,129 --> 00:12:39,430
<i>and the way we experienced it</i>

284
00:12:39,497 --> 00:12:41,867
and then providing
practical explanations

285
00:12:41,932 --> 00:12:43,467
and creating the business.

286
00:12:44,969 --> 00:12:47,672
It looked like it was going
to be funny and beyond that,

287
00:12:47,739 --> 00:12:49,440
it looked like it was going
to be really fun to do.

288
00:12:49,507 --> 00:12:51,509
- I think we'll take it.
- Good.

289
00:12:55,079 --> 00:12:56,782
<i>- You know, I was just looking</i>
<i>for the very best people</i>

290
00:12:56,848 --> 00:12:58,349
<i>that could deliver this movie</i>

291
00:12:58,416 --> 00:13:00,017
that was much bigger than
anything

292
00:13:00,084 --> 00:13:01,787
I had done in the past.

293
00:13:01,853 --> 00:13:03,254
- I was already working
for Ivan,

294
00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,989
my first film
was "Heavy Metal,"

295
00:13:05,055 --> 00:13:07,425
<i>and he came to trust me</i>
<i>as a producer,</i>

296
00:13:07,491 --> 00:13:09,193
<i>and I was teamed</i>
<i>with Joe Medjuck</i>

297
00:13:09,260 --> 00:13:10,796
and we made a good team,

298
00:13:10,862 --> 00:13:12,631
focusing on different areas.

299
00:13:12,697 --> 00:13:15,599
But most of my focus in
"Heavy Metal"

300
00:13:15,667 --> 00:13:17,301
was design and animation.

301
00:13:17,368 --> 00:13:20,171
- <i>A trip beyond the future</i>

302
00:13:20,237 --> 00:13:22,973
<i>to a universe</i>
<i>you've never seen before.</i>

303
00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,210
<i>- By the time "Ghostbusters"</i>
<i>came around, because animation</i>

304
00:13:26,277 --> 00:13:29,079
and special effects
are often...

305
00:13:29,146 --> 00:13:30,514
- And we actually as a result

306
00:13:30,581 --> 00:13:32,082
began working
in special effects

307
00:13:32,149 --> 00:13:34,585
while the guys were still
writing the script.

308
00:13:34,653 --> 00:13:37,823
- Ivan was making a comedy
first, not an effects movie,

309
00:13:37,889 --> 00:13:40,659
<i>so getting the effects work</i>
<i>together was</i>

310
00:13:40,725 --> 00:13:42,460
difficult in this time period

311
00:13:42,526 --> 00:13:46,330
<i>because Ivan was promising it</i>
<i>in almost half the time that</i>

312
00:13:46,397 --> 00:13:48,966
anyone at that time
was spending

313
00:13:49,033 --> 00:13:50,434
on a special effects movie.

314
00:13:50,501 --> 00:13:54,305
We had never done a special
effects movie, and there was

315
00:13:54,371 --> 00:13:57,608
no special effects house
in town who could take it on.

316
00:13:57,676 --> 00:13:59,845
- What we did was we went
Richard Edlund who had been

317
00:13:59,911 --> 00:14:02,714
at ILM, we knew he wanted
to set up his own company.

318
00:14:04,548 --> 00:14:08,619
<i>- I was in hospital,</i>
<i>getting a back surgery</i>

319
00:14:08,687 --> 00:14:12,958
after having just lost
a project with Ridley Scott

320
00:14:13,023 --> 00:14:14,659
that he'd gone to England.

321
00:14:14,726 --> 00:14:17,461
<i>I got a call</i>
<i>from Don Shay first</i>

322
00:14:17,528 --> 00:14:20,632
<i>and then Michael Gross</i>
<i>to do "Ghostbusters."</i>

323
00:14:20,699 --> 00:14:21,999
Within a day of that,

324
00:14:22,066 --> 00:14:23,935
I'd gotten another call
from Peter Hyams

325
00:14:24,001 --> 00:14:25,236
to do "2010."

326
00:14:25,302 --> 00:14:26,838
<i>- He already had</i>
<i>an Academy Award</i>

327
00:14:26,905 --> 00:14:28,372
<i>and he already had the skills.</i>

328
00:14:28,439 --> 00:14:31,609
Two studios kicked in the cash
and built a studio,

329
00:14:31,676 --> 00:14:33,344
including building some cameras
from scratch.

330
00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:34,679
- So it was very funny;

331
00:14:34,746 --> 00:14:35,947
whenever we were visiting
they would cover up

332
00:14:36,013 --> 00:14:37,214
all the stuff on "2010."

333
00:14:37,281 --> 00:14:39,250
<i>- I'd worked for Richard</i>
<i>on "Poltergeist"</i>

334
00:14:39,316 --> 00:14:40,986
<i>and then "Return of the Jedi."</i>

335
00:14:41,051 --> 00:14:44,255
When we worked on that film, he
had asked, you know, "I'm going

336
00:14:44,321 --> 00:14:46,090
to start a company,
would you like to join me?"

337
00:14:46,156 --> 00:14:47,625
Which was, of course.

338
00:14:47,692 --> 00:14:49,293
<i>- They rented a space</i>
<i>down in Marina del Rey</i>

339
00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,463
<i>and Michael hired</i>
<i>a lot of conceptual artists</i>

340
00:14:52,530 --> 00:14:55,599
and comic book artists
to start drawing ghosts.

341
00:14:55,667 --> 00:14:57,368
- And because of my history
with "Heavy Metal,"

342
00:14:57,434 --> 00:14:59,136
<i>I said we could do</i>
<i>the same thing here.</i>

343
00:14:59,203 --> 00:15:02,072
<i>Let's tap resources that have</i>
<i>no film history, and then</i>

344
00:15:02,139 --> 00:15:04,843
<i>we'll figure out if they can</i>
<i>be implemented for film,</i>

345
00:15:04,910 --> 00:15:06,711
<i>on top of which is a comedy.</i>

346
00:15:06,778 --> 00:15:09,714
So, should there be
funny ghosts?

347
00:15:09,781 --> 00:15:12,349
<i>Richard had these drawings</i>
<i>and concepts submitted to Ivan</i>

348
00:15:12,416 --> 00:15:14,351
<i>and said, "No, not that way,</i>
<i>no, not that way.</i>

349
00:15:14,418 --> 00:15:16,253
<i>Look at this way."</i>

350
00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,521
<i>Then we'd bring</i>
<i>in the effects people</i>

351
00:15:17,588 --> 00:15:19,290
<i>and say, we went further</i>
<i>with this.</i>

352
00:15:19,356 --> 00:15:21,258
How would you
make it a reality?

353
00:15:21,325 --> 00:15:25,396
So implementing those
was very much my job.

354
00:15:25,462 --> 00:15:26,965
- I mean, the first thing
I was trying to do was

355
00:15:27,032 --> 00:15:30,334
to build the technology up
real quick so that we could

356
00:15:30,401 --> 00:15:32,037
<i>actually produce the movie.</i>

357
00:15:32,102 --> 00:15:35,372
And I had made a deal with Doug
Trumbull to take over a studio

358
00:15:35,439 --> 00:15:39,143
<i>in LA which had a lot of</i>
<i>65-millimeter equipment,</i>

359
00:15:39,209 --> 00:15:40,745
but it was just kind of
laying around

360
00:15:40,812 --> 00:15:43,648
and it was like a parts bin.
- Right.

361
00:15:43,715 --> 00:15:46,651
- And so I had to bring in
engineers, machinists.

362
00:15:46,718 --> 00:15:48,419
<i>- The animation department</i>
<i>was</i>

363
00:15:48,485 --> 00:15:50,822
<i>basically</i>
<i>just a big warehouse.</i>

364
00:15:50,889 --> 00:15:54,258
They were literally building
and with Thaine and the guys

365
00:15:54,325 --> 00:15:57,762
were building tables
at night and shelves

366
00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:59,965
and animation discs
and various...

367
00:16:00,031 --> 00:16:01,700
[both talking at once]

368
00:16:01,766 --> 00:16:04,268
The camera wasn't computerized,
it was a giant Oxberry, I mean,

369
00:16:04,335 --> 00:16:08,439
it was just--it was, like he
said, it was just parts.

370
00:16:08,505 --> 00:16:11,408
- And while the lawyers were
skirmishing, we had only

371
00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:15,847
10 months to go until release,
and at that time, in '83,

372
00:16:15,914 --> 00:16:19,316
<i>it was budgeted at $5 million</i>
<i>for visual effects,</i>

373
00:16:19,383 --> 00:16:21,953
which was a really big effects
budget in those days,

374
00:16:22,020 --> 00:16:24,923
<i>and we were working with</i>
<i>incredible talents</i>

375
00:16:24,990 --> 00:16:26,891
like John DeCuir who was like

376
00:16:26,958 --> 00:16:29,193
<i>one of the great production</i>
<i>designers of all time</i>

377
00:16:29,259 --> 00:16:32,864
and Laszlo Kovacs
who became my lifelong friend.

378
00:16:32,931 --> 00:16:36,166
<i>- Laszlo was a dream, he was</i>
<i>a wonderful, wonderful man,</i>

379
00:16:36,233 --> 00:16:38,369
very kind, very generous,
came over here

380
00:16:38,435 --> 00:16:40,604
in the Hungarian Revolution
in 1956,

381
00:16:40,672 --> 00:16:44,508
<i>and has a warmth about him</i>
<i>that's irreplaceable.</i>

382
00:16:44,575 --> 00:16:47,045
- We got started before we
were supposed to start shooting

383
00:16:47,112 --> 00:16:50,180
<i>and we said, let's go to</i>
<i>New York and do some scouting.</i>

384
00:16:50,247 --> 00:16:53,350
- I remember the first day was
technically a pre-production day

385
00:16:53,417 --> 00:16:55,519
because I was trying to get
decent weather

386
00:16:55,586 --> 00:16:57,588
<i>in New York City in Manhattan.</i>

387
00:16:57,656 --> 00:16:59,490
Our official start of
principal photography

388
00:16:59,556 --> 00:17:02,060
<i>was the end of October.</i>

389
00:17:02,127 --> 00:17:05,063
I thought, well, let's do a few
days of pre-production shooting

390
00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:08,332
while we have most of the cast
and crew around anyway

391
00:17:08,399 --> 00:17:10,035
<i>and we're doing</i>
<i>costume fittings,</i>

392
00:17:10,101 --> 00:17:11,235
<i>we're doing rehearsals,</i>

393
00:17:11,301 --> 00:17:12,671
you know, people are going out

394
00:17:12,737 --> 00:17:15,073
and buying equipment and
the designers are setting up.

395
00:17:15,140 --> 00:17:17,676
Let's just get out on
the street and do some stuff.

396
00:17:17,742 --> 00:17:20,779
<i>- Someone's doing a standup</i>
<i>newscast in the street</i>

397
00:17:20,845 --> 00:17:23,380
<i>and there's a guy behind him</i>
<i>playing with his beard,</i>

398
00:17:23,447 --> 00:17:25,516
and I think that was
the first thing we shot.

399
00:17:25,582 --> 00:17:29,120
<i>- The first day shooting was</i>
<i>a car crash because</i>

400
00:17:29,186 --> 00:17:32,957
<i>some skeleton-like ghost had</i>
<i>taken over a taxi cab,</i>

401
00:17:33,024 --> 00:17:35,927
so we did a stunt
the very first day of shooting.

402
00:17:35,994 --> 00:17:38,697
- The animatronic cab driver
wasn't even done at Boss Film.

403
00:17:38,763 --> 00:17:40,699
<i>It was basically my audition</i>
<i>because when I met</i>

404
00:17:40,765 --> 00:17:43,300
Richard Edlund and all
the higher ups at Boss Film,

405
00:17:43,367 --> 00:17:45,502
<i>they said,</i>
<i>"Okay, we got two weeks--</i>

406
00:17:45,569 --> 00:17:48,405
<i>"we have to be in New York</i>
<i>City on location filming</i>

407
00:17:48,472 --> 00:17:52,342
"a fully animatronic
zombie cab driver.

408
00:17:52,409 --> 00:17:54,244
<i>"You go away and make it,</i>

409
00:17:54,311 --> 00:17:55,612
<i>"and then go to New York</i>
<i>and shoot it</i>

410
00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:57,581
<i>and if it works,</i>
<i>you could do the job."</i>

411
00:17:57,649 --> 00:18:01,218
And so I really did everything
on my own, I small printed,

412
00:18:01,285 --> 00:18:03,387
<i>I did the engineering on it,</i>
<i>I did the hair work,</i>

413
00:18:03,454 --> 00:18:04,354
<i>I did the paint,</i>
<i>I did everything,</i>

414
00:18:04,421 --> 00:18:05,456
<i>and it went really well--</i>

415
00:18:05,522 --> 00:18:06,423
<i>it was actually a lot of fun.</i>

416
00:18:06,490 --> 00:18:07,892
<i>I went back and they said,</i>

417
00:18:07,959 --> 00:18:10,929
"Okay, now you have a year of
torture ahead of you."

418
00:18:10,995 --> 00:18:13,031
[laughing]

419
00:18:13,098 --> 00:18:15,499
<i>- And part of that day of</i>
<i>shooting, I said, well,</i>

420
00:18:15,566 --> 00:18:17,367
let's get a shot
for the montage

421
00:18:17,434 --> 00:18:18,670
where they get more successful.

422
00:18:18,737 --> 00:18:20,672
- I had never worked
in the heart of Manhattan.

423
00:18:20,739 --> 00:18:22,439
<i>So there they were,</i>
<i>all set up,</i>

424
00:18:22,506 --> 00:18:24,075
<i>and I got into the jumpsuit</i>

425
00:18:24,142 --> 00:18:27,011
<i>for the first time</i>
<i>and went out there and,</i>

426
00:18:27,078 --> 00:18:30,115
wow, this is really cool, I
mean, we kind of own the city.

427
00:18:30,181 --> 00:18:34,152
- So I'm busy sort of setting
up some cameras, and I look up

428
00:18:34,219 --> 00:18:37,088
and suddenly coming at me
are the three Ghostbusters

429
00:18:37,155 --> 00:18:38,857
<i>in full regalia,</i>

430
00:18:38,923 --> 00:18:40,759
and it was such a startling
image and it was such

431
00:18:40,825 --> 00:18:42,761
an original image,
and I just got

432
00:18:42,827 --> 00:18:44,963
<i>this wonderful shiver</i>
<i>down my back.</i>

433
00:18:45,029 --> 00:18:47,665
It was just a great
first moment on the movie.

434
00:18:47,732 --> 00:18:49,533
- I actually,
in all honesty,

435
00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,268
had never really produced
a movie before.

436
00:18:51,335 --> 00:18:54,873
<i>- Here I am, associate</i>
<i>producing "Ghostbusters."</i>

437
00:18:54,939 --> 00:18:57,474
I had never been on
a movie set before,

438
00:18:57,541 --> 00:19:00,611
and because my first film
was animated,

439
00:19:00,678 --> 00:19:02,881
I didn't entirely know
how it all worked.

440
00:19:02,947 --> 00:19:04,949
I'm fessing up to this
for the first time.

441
00:19:05,016 --> 00:19:07,852
- I remember at one point I was
on the street with 300 extras,

442
00:19:07,919 --> 00:19:10,255
yelling "Ghostbusters,"
and I thought I better learn

443
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,488
to do this really fast.

444
00:19:11,555 --> 00:19:12,857
<i>- And I came on the set,</i>

445
00:19:12,924 --> 00:19:15,226
<i>having to pretend</i>
<i>I knew everything,</i>

446
00:19:15,292 --> 00:19:16,828
and it says "Producer,"

447
00:19:16,895 --> 00:19:20,265
and I see my chair and my name,
you know?

448
00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:22,599
And I go, mm-hmm, and I--

449
00:19:22,667 --> 00:19:24,501
I'm looking around
and I didn't know

450
00:19:24,568 --> 00:19:26,938
<i>where to stand, I didn't know</i>
<i>half their jobs.</i>

451
00:19:27,005 --> 00:19:29,373
<i>And somebody came to me and</i>
<i>said, "Tell me something that</i>

452
00:19:29,439 --> 00:19:30,875
<i>has to be done,"</i>
<i>and they said,</i>

453
00:19:30,942 --> 00:19:32,277
<i>"You better tell the First</i>
<i>Assistant Director,"</i>

454
00:19:32,342 --> 00:19:34,712
um, well, do that.

455
00:19:34,779 --> 00:19:38,515
And I had to find out how
I could find out who and what

456
00:19:38,582 --> 00:19:41,886
a First Assistant Director was
without letting on

457
00:19:41,953 --> 00:19:43,822
that I had no idea
what I was doing.

458
00:19:43,888 --> 00:19:46,291
<i>- Probably had I understood</i>
<i>how big it was</i>

459
00:19:46,356 --> 00:19:48,259
and how difficult it was,
I would've been more effective

460
00:19:48,325 --> 00:19:50,360
than I was because I'd never
done it before, I thought, hey,

461
00:19:50,427 --> 00:19:52,030
this is what movies are like.

462
00:19:52,096 --> 00:19:54,531
You always have thousands of
extras and special effects

463
00:19:54,598 --> 00:19:56,067
and a deadline to make.

464
00:19:56,134 --> 00:19:58,870
- I had more than one producer
who never knew his ass

465
00:19:58,937 --> 00:20:01,105
from a hole in the ground,
and I know there were people

466
00:20:01,172 --> 00:20:03,340
<i>on that film who went,</i>
<i>"There's the asshole producer</i>

467
00:20:03,407 --> 00:20:05,210
<i>who doesn't know</i>
<i>what he's doing."</i>

468
00:20:05,276 --> 00:20:07,979
But, fortunately,
I got through it.

469
00:20:12,616 --> 00:20:14,451
<i>- The very first note</i>
<i>of music you hear</i>

470
00:20:14,518 --> 00:20:18,323
<i>is the blaze</i>
<i>of light from the star...</i>

471
00:20:18,388 --> 00:20:21,226
<i>[musical note rings]</i>

472
00:20:21,292 --> 00:20:25,096
There was a revolutionary
synthesizer being released

473
00:20:25,163 --> 00:20:26,698
at that time called the DX7

474
00:20:26,764 --> 00:20:28,800
<i>and it was the first</i>
<i>fully digital synth,</i>

475
00:20:28,867 --> 00:20:31,970
and the very first note
is a factory programmed sound

476
00:20:32,036 --> 00:20:35,472
on this DX7, they're impossible
to get, and we managed

477
00:20:35,539 --> 00:20:38,475
to procure one of
these synthesizers--

478
00:20:38,542 --> 00:20:42,347
God only knows
what had to happen.

479
00:20:42,412 --> 00:20:43,781
<i>- Elmer Bernstein is a genius,</i>

480
00:20:43,848 --> 00:20:46,251
he did a beautiful job
on the score.

481
00:20:46,317 --> 00:20:49,287
<i>- That particular</i>
<i>"Ghostbusters" theme</i>

482
00:20:49,354 --> 00:20:53,590
that he wrote...
[vocalizing theme]

483
00:20:53,658 --> 00:20:57,561
<i>...was a style that he</i>
<i>had been tinkering with,</i>

484
00:20:57,629 --> 00:20:59,496
<i>so because I had been</i>
<i>along for the ride</i>

485
00:20:59,563 --> 00:21:00,798
<i>on a number of films,</i>

486
00:21:00,865 --> 00:21:03,567
I got to see
that particular style evolve

487
00:21:03,635 --> 00:21:06,503
into a full-blown
thematic piece.

488
00:21:06,570 --> 00:21:09,539
- He created this
very special classical sound

489
00:21:09,606 --> 00:21:12,844
<i>for that broad comedy science</i>
<i>fiction film that has this</i>

490
00:21:12,911 --> 00:21:15,512
<i>sort of very historical,</i>
<i>romantic,</i>

491
00:21:15,579 --> 00:21:17,882
full orchestra score to it.

492
00:21:17,949 --> 00:21:19,516
I don't think the movie
would've worked

493
00:21:19,583 --> 00:21:22,754
without his score.

494
00:21:22,820 --> 00:21:24,856
<i>- My introduction</i>
<i>to this whole escapade</i>

495
00:21:24,923 --> 00:21:27,424
<i>was the audition...</i>
Square.

496
00:21:27,491 --> 00:21:29,861
And I looked to this side of
me and there was this actor

497
00:21:29,928 --> 00:21:33,665
chewing gum, just wildly
chewing gum, and I was like,

498
00:21:33,731 --> 00:21:36,267
"Do you have any more gum?"

499
00:21:36,334 --> 00:21:38,169
And he goes, "Yeah."

500
00:21:38,236 --> 00:21:40,638
Little did he know
he handed me the part.

501
00:21:40,705 --> 00:21:42,572
<i>- I got the script</i>
<i>and I read it</i>

502
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,310
<i>and the ectoplasm</i>
<i>and the blood,</i>

503
00:21:45,376 --> 00:21:50,148
whatever, and the Stay Puft
Marsh--I kind of was like,

504
00:21:50,214 --> 00:21:51,816
what the heck is this movie?

505
00:21:51,883 --> 00:21:54,919
<i>- They called me in</i>
<i>and we're doing the scene,</i>

506
00:21:54,986 --> 00:21:57,188
<i>and the gum flies</i>
<i>out of my mouth.</i>

507
00:21:57,255 --> 00:21:58,588
[electric shock]

508
00:21:58,656 --> 00:22:02,827
And the whole room erupts

509
00:22:02,894 --> 00:22:07,131
in this thunderous laughter,
but uncontrollable laughter,

510
00:22:07,198 --> 00:22:12,403
and I am biting my tongue
so hard to not laugh--

511
00:22:12,469 --> 00:22:15,840
I am digging into
some holy place within to

512
00:22:15,907 --> 00:22:19,476
not crack up, because they're
all laughing, I'm in tears.

513
00:22:19,543 --> 00:22:22,113
<i>- The university, as everyone</i>
<i>now knows, is Columbia,</i>

514
00:22:22,180 --> 00:22:24,282
<i>we saw</i>
<i>these Columbia landmarks,</i>

515
00:22:24,349 --> 00:22:26,250
but Columbia wouldn't
let us use the name.

516
00:22:26,317 --> 00:22:28,820
<i>- I arrive and I'm looking</i>
<i>around and I'm going, okay,</i>

517
00:22:28,886 --> 00:22:30,688
there's the table
and I'm looking for, like,

518
00:22:30,755 --> 00:22:32,457
where's the electronic
equipment to shock me?

519
00:22:32,522 --> 00:22:34,826
I don't like this.

520
00:22:34,892 --> 00:22:37,527
And I'm like, what the hell
kind of budget film is this?

521
00:22:37,594 --> 00:22:40,198
- I got up that morning, I knew
we were shooting that day,

522
00:22:40,264 --> 00:22:41,833
and went to the set

523
00:22:41,899 --> 00:22:44,068
<i>and I was dressed in just</i>
<i>the clothes I'd worn,</i>

524
00:22:44,135 --> 00:22:46,104
and they were like,
"Oh, you look fine.

525
00:22:46,170 --> 00:22:48,339
"Oh, you look great, yeah,
you don't need your hair done,

526
00:22:48,406 --> 00:22:50,441
you don't need makeup,
you don't need wardrobe."

527
00:22:50,507 --> 00:22:51,943
And I'm like, really?

528
00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:56,180
- I basically, like, pinched
the hell out of myself

529
00:22:56,247 --> 00:22:58,983
every time
that we had to do a shock.

530
00:22:59,050 --> 00:23:02,120
I go into the restroom
and I basically got, like,

531
00:23:02,186 --> 00:23:05,390
the continent of Africa
in purple...

532
00:23:05,456 --> 00:23:10,594
all up my leg, with a big,
blue River Nile vein

533
00:23:10,661 --> 00:23:12,430
moving right through it.

534
00:23:12,497 --> 00:23:14,799
- So I-I've always wished

535
00:23:14,866 --> 00:23:18,302
I had blow-dried my hair
better that day.

536
00:23:18,369 --> 00:23:23,708
- And Laszlo walks in,
and he goes, "Good God!"

537
00:23:23,775 --> 00:23:26,610
<i>- It's amazing</i>
<i>how many people remember me</i>

538
00:23:26,677 --> 00:23:29,480
from being that librarian.

539
00:23:29,546 --> 00:23:33,317
But--oh, I remember
the real librarian came around

540
00:23:33,384 --> 00:23:34,786
<i>and she looked at me</i>
<i>and she said,</i>

541
00:23:34,852 --> 00:23:37,822
"Oh, they always make us
look like that."

542
00:23:37,889 --> 00:23:40,191
Isn't that terrible?

543
00:23:40,258 --> 00:23:42,994
<i>- We played with different</i>
<i>openings for a while</i>

544
00:23:43,061 --> 00:23:45,196
<i>before we settled</i>
<i>on the library opening;</i>

545
00:23:45,263 --> 00:23:46,731
<i>we played with</i>
<i>different versions of that,</i>

546
00:23:46,798 --> 00:23:49,000
all of which were promising
and kind of funny,

547
00:23:49,067 --> 00:23:51,669
but the library
was really good.

548
00:23:51,736 --> 00:23:53,805
<i>I think I can take credit</i>
<i>for that.</i>

549
00:23:53,871 --> 00:23:56,207
- I hope we can clear this up
quickly and quietly.

550
00:23:56,274 --> 00:23:58,743
- I was actually working
in the New York Public Library

551
00:23:58,810 --> 00:24:01,379
<i>on a writing project</i>
<i>and I looked up</i>

552
00:24:01,446 --> 00:24:04,048
and saw Bill Murray and Ramis,

553
00:24:04,115 --> 00:24:05,983
<i>they were scouting</i>
<i>the location,</i>

554
00:24:06,050 --> 00:24:07,819
<i>and I remember looking at them</i>

555
00:24:07,885 --> 00:24:09,287
and thinking, I wonder
what they're doing here.

556
00:24:09,353 --> 00:24:12,622
- I know how I got it too--
it was my scream.

557
00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:14,926
[screaming]

558
00:24:14,992 --> 00:24:17,095
I had a wonderful scream.

559
00:24:17,161 --> 00:24:19,797
They said, "Suppose a ghost
were coming at you.

560
00:24:19,864 --> 00:24:22,867
<i>What would you do?"</i>
<i>and I screamed.</i>

561
00:24:22,934 --> 00:24:27,171
He laughed and said, okay,
the part's yours.

562
00:24:27,238 --> 00:24:29,440
- The call time was about
5:30 in the morning

563
00:24:29,507 --> 00:24:31,809
and I was in the makeup trailer
with Bill Murray

564
00:24:31,876 --> 00:24:33,377
who obviously had not been to
bed,

565
00:24:33,444 --> 00:24:36,380
<i>and when I told people</i>
<i>about it was--</i>

566
00:24:36,447 --> 00:24:39,951
and I swear this is true--
they were much funnier, I mean,

567
00:24:40,017 --> 00:24:43,287
<i>what was going on between</i>
<i>those guys</i>

568
00:24:43,354 --> 00:24:45,756
from the minute
that you open up the door

569
00:24:45,823 --> 00:24:47,525
to the makeup trailer
until, you know,

570
00:24:47,592 --> 00:24:49,827
the end of the day,
was so hilarious.

571
00:24:49,894 --> 00:24:52,029
<i>And that's almost</i>
<i>intimidating,</i>

572
00:24:52,096 --> 00:24:55,199
<i>that they were able to be</i>
<i>that connected to each other,</i>

573
00:24:55,266 --> 00:24:57,401
and of course,
that's the relationship between

574
00:24:57,468 --> 00:24:59,203
the librarian and the
Ghostbusters, anyway.

575
00:24:59,270 --> 00:25:01,372
- The idea was we could
only shoot in the morning

576
00:25:01,439 --> 00:25:03,341
before it really opened, and
so we were supposed to be in

577
00:25:03,407 --> 00:25:05,376
<i>from six to 10 for two days</i>
<i>in a row,</i>

578
00:25:05,443 --> 00:25:08,179
and Ivan was really on a roll,
we completed all that

579
00:25:08,246 --> 00:25:10,248
in under four hours
and didn't know

580
00:25:10,314 --> 00:25:13,518
what to shoot, so I think we
broke for lunch and then shot

581
00:25:13,584 --> 00:25:16,254
a scene we were supposed to
shoot a couple of days later.

582
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,389
<i>- We shot the exterior first</i>
<i>when we were in New York,</i>

583
00:25:18,456 --> 00:25:19,290
<i>and we used the reading room</i>

584
00:25:19,357 --> 00:25:21,159
<i>of the New York</i>
<i>Public Library.</i>

585
00:25:21,225 --> 00:25:24,695
So the scenes where we just
entered and, I guess,

586
00:25:24,762 --> 00:25:29,534
Egon is, for some reason, under
a table with a stethoscope,

587
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,170
<i>listening at a table</i>
<i>for God knows why.</i>

588
00:25:32,236 --> 00:25:35,406
- They were stopping traffic on
Fifth Avenue to do this scene,

589
00:25:35,473 --> 00:25:37,675
and there was a guy
who's like a street preacher

590
00:25:37,742 --> 00:25:41,913
who was praying all morn--he
had this--he was standing on

591
00:25:41,979 --> 00:25:43,714
a soapbox and he was going,

592
00:25:43,781 --> 00:25:47,251
"All you Hollywood
are going to hell!

593
00:25:47,318 --> 00:25:48,986
You're going to--"
and, you know, they made--

594
00:25:49,053 --> 00:25:50,922
the production had to go
and pay him off.

595
00:25:50,988 --> 00:25:54,959
- And then you wait weeks
to pick it up in Los Angeles

596
00:25:55,026 --> 00:25:56,527
<i>in the Los Angeles</i>
<i>Public Library,</i>

597
00:25:56,594 --> 00:25:59,230
<i>which was us going</i>
<i>into the private spaces</i>

598
00:25:59,297 --> 00:26:01,532
<i>of the library where</i>
<i>the public are not allowed.</i>

599
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:03,901
Movies always have
that kind of discontinuity

600
00:26:03,968 --> 00:26:05,469
when you're shooting them.

601
00:26:05,536 --> 00:26:08,506
<i>- And Ivan Reitman, of course,</i>
<i>the director on that,</i>

602
00:26:08,573 --> 00:26:12,343
<i>when I was supposed to see</i>
<i>the ghost for the first time,</i>

603
00:26:12,410 --> 00:26:15,947
you know, he's not a scary man,
he was trying to scare me,

604
00:26:16,013 --> 00:26:17,748
so he'd just go like that.

605
00:26:17,815 --> 00:26:20,251
- Ivan's directions were
simple and concise--

606
00:26:20,318 --> 00:26:22,688
<i>look scared</i>
<i>and look more scared.</i>

607
00:26:22,753 --> 00:26:25,523
- You know, that's acting.

608
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:27,792
- An awful lot of the effects
in that sequence

609
00:26:27,858 --> 00:26:30,061
are practical effects,
they're not opticals.

610
00:26:30,127 --> 00:26:32,129
- You know, like the cards
flipping out

611
00:26:32,196 --> 00:26:34,398
and the slime coming
down the walls.

612
00:26:34,465 --> 00:26:37,368
- So the cards are actually
sent off into the air by little

613
00:26:37,435 --> 00:26:39,270
<i>air jets that were hidden</i>
<i>in all the drawers,</i>

614
00:26:39,337 --> 00:26:41,205
<i>so the drawers open</i>
<i>and the air jets came on,</i>

615
00:26:41,272 --> 00:26:43,541
books going back and forth
from shelf to shelf,

616
00:26:43,608 --> 00:26:46,410
those were hung on wires.

617
00:26:46,477 --> 00:26:48,813
<i>- You know, when they find</i>
<i>the vertically stacked books,</i>

618
00:26:48,879 --> 00:26:51,082
that was an idea Ivan had
on the way to work.

619
00:26:51,148 --> 00:26:53,217
I think Danny
came up with the line.

620
00:26:53,284 --> 00:26:55,553
- <i>Symmetrical book stacking--</i>
<i>just like the Philadelphia</i>

621
00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:58,189
<i>mass turbulence of 1947.</i>

622
00:26:58,256 --> 00:27:01,492
[whispering]
<i>...do exactly as I say.</i>

623
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:04,595
<i>Get ready, ready--go!</i>

624
00:27:04,663 --> 00:27:06,330
<i>[screaming]</i>

625
00:27:06,397 --> 00:27:09,166
- The librarian
was a really interesting task

626
00:27:09,233 --> 00:27:12,536
because in one shot, and I guess
ultimately it was supposed to be

627
00:27:12,603 --> 00:27:15,373
<i>about 36 frames--</i>
<i>a second and a half.</i>

628
00:27:15,439 --> 00:27:17,643
- It's the first big scare of
the movie and I think it was

629
00:27:17,709 --> 00:27:21,012
imperative to have a good scare
versus a comedic scare.

630
00:27:21,078 --> 00:27:22,980
- <i>[screaming]</i>

631
00:27:23,047 --> 00:27:26,350
<i>- An Old One transforms into</i>
<i>the most hideous, scary beast</i>

632
00:27:26,417 --> 00:27:29,487
<i>that any of us there</i>
<i>could imagine.</i>

633
00:27:29,553 --> 00:27:31,188
Like, how do you do this?

634
00:27:31,255 --> 00:27:33,024
Well, I'll make
the change over thing.

635
00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:35,226
Take a replica of a human
and actually put

636
00:27:35,293 --> 00:27:37,795
<i>pneumatic devices in it</i>
<i>and make it distort.</i>

637
00:27:37,862 --> 00:27:40,231
Everything I did on that film
I wanted to walk a tightrope

638
00:27:40,298 --> 00:27:43,567
between utter failure and
soaring success, so I thought,

639
00:27:43,635 --> 00:27:45,536
okay, I can try it my way

640
00:27:45,603 --> 00:27:48,139
and completely fuck it up
or just not try it at all.

641
00:27:48,205 --> 00:27:51,175
<i>- In ways I was like</i>
<i>a maitre-d at a restaurant.</i>

642
00:27:51,242 --> 00:27:56,013
That it was my job to make sure
everything went okay and that

643
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,683
all of the people at the table

644
00:27:57,749 --> 00:28:00,686
<i>had what they need to have</i>
<i>a good time.</i>

645
00:28:00,752 --> 00:28:02,253
<i>I had to set up an environment</i>

646
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,455
<i>where they could do</i>
<i>the best work they could.</i>

647
00:28:04,522 --> 00:28:07,258
- Most of what I did to start
with was to build a mock-up.

648
00:28:07,325 --> 00:28:11,529
We had the Foametix skins and
I would take a simple PVC pipe,

649
00:28:11,595 --> 00:28:14,031
<i>bend wooden sticks,</i>
<i>glue wooden screws,</i>

650
00:28:14,098 --> 00:28:15,433
<i>and put something together</i>

651
00:28:15,499 --> 00:28:17,535
<i>with our first rough skins</i>
<i>on a mold,</i>

652
00:28:17,601 --> 00:28:19,638
<i>which were copies</i>
<i>of the original actress.</i>

653
00:28:19,705 --> 00:28:22,808
<i>- I want her head to lower,</i>
<i>I want her shoulders to rise,</i>

654
00:28:22,873 --> 00:28:25,276
I want her deltoid or her bicep
to elongate from here

655
00:28:25,343 --> 00:28:28,913
to her wrist, to elongate,
her fingers to grow.

656
00:28:28,979 --> 00:28:30,548
I want her mouth to get bigger.

657
00:28:30,614 --> 00:28:33,117
<i>I want her head to flatten,</i>
<i>I want to do something again,</i>

658
00:28:33,184 --> 00:28:35,319
<i>specifically,</i>
<i>for this six frame shot,</i>

659
00:28:35,386 --> 00:28:37,054
I mean, come on,
you're not gonna get it

660
00:28:37,121 --> 00:28:38,989
if it's just going...

661
00:28:39,056 --> 00:28:42,193
- <i>Rolling,</i>
<i>do your bad thing.</i>

662
00:28:42,259 --> 00:28:43,327
<i>- As we're building it,</i>
<i>I thought,</i>

663
00:28:43,394 --> 00:28:44,995
<i>we cannot control this,</i>
<i>you know,</i>

664
00:28:45,062 --> 00:28:47,666
<i>probably have to</i>
<i>have 30 puppeteers,</i>

665
00:28:47,733 --> 00:28:50,134
<i>yet those 30 puppeteers</i>

666
00:28:50,201 --> 00:28:53,437
have to hit their marks when
the director says "action,"

667
00:28:53,504 --> 00:28:55,906
<i>for a second and a half</i>
<i>they have to do it exactly</i>

668
00:28:55,973 --> 00:28:58,209
<i>and then it would never work,</i>
<i>I knew that wouldn't work.</i>

669
00:28:58,275 --> 00:29:00,044
- I actually had to go outside
our group of people

670
00:29:00,111 --> 00:29:02,113
to get someone to mechanize--

671
00:29:02,179 --> 00:29:04,115
- And I said, look,
here's our problem,

672
00:29:04,181 --> 00:29:05,916
I want all these things
to happen,

673
00:29:05,983 --> 00:29:07,753
but they have to happen
really quickly

674
00:29:07,819 --> 00:29:09,954
and they have to happen
in tandem, in concert,

675
00:29:10,020 --> 00:29:11,489
like a symphony.

676
00:29:11,555 --> 00:29:13,357
<i>- The mechanic,</i>
<i>John Alberti,</i>

677
00:29:13,424 --> 00:29:15,794
gave him the mockup and said,
"This is what Steve wants.

678
00:29:15,861 --> 00:29:19,196
You can see how far this
pushes, how far that raises."

679
00:29:19,263 --> 00:29:21,633
- It has to be the way you
and I worked it out

680
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:23,234
for months ahead in advance--

681
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,102
this has to change them,
this has to turn that,

682
00:29:25,169 --> 00:29:26,772
this has to do that.

683
00:29:26,838 --> 00:29:28,673
<i>- And he then could then take</i>
<i>measurements and then base</i>

684
00:29:28,740 --> 00:29:30,374
<i>his mechanical understructure</i>

685
00:29:30,441 --> 00:29:32,644
to move the rubber,
based on that.

686
00:29:32,711 --> 00:29:34,178
<i>- The eye was genius.</i>

687
00:29:34,245 --> 00:29:37,214
<i>He figured it out so that</i>
<i>you--that one puppeteer,</i>

688
00:29:37,281 --> 00:29:42,520
one puppeteer--you could
sit back with a beer, smoking

689
00:29:42,586 --> 00:29:44,955
a cigarette, and the director
would say "action"

690
00:29:45,022 --> 00:29:47,158
and just go...

691
00:29:47,224 --> 00:29:48,827
There's your librarian ghost.

692
00:29:48,894 --> 00:29:51,529
- [screaming]

693
00:29:51,595 --> 00:29:53,832
- There was going to be a second
stage to the transformation

694
00:29:53,899 --> 00:29:57,034
that would push out her muzzle
and there was these sharp,

695
00:29:57,101 --> 00:29:58,670
<i>like, monster-y teeth.</i>

696
00:29:58,737 --> 00:30:00,538
<i>There's a lot of stills</i>
<i>around of me</i>

697
00:30:00,604 --> 00:30:03,507
<i>sculpting the arms of</i>
<i>this demon coming forward</i>

698
00:30:03,574 --> 00:30:05,142
<i>and then Steve Johnson</i>
<i>had sculpted the head</i>

699
00:30:05,209 --> 00:30:07,244
<i>for that based off of</i>
<i>what we had done</i>

700
00:30:07,311 --> 00:30:09,613
for the first part
of the transformation.

701
00:30:09,681 --> 00:30:11,917
<i>- And then Richard was like,</i>
<i>"No, no second puppet.</i>

702
00:30:11,982 --> 00:30:15,854
No second puppet, don't break
the bank, Stevie, boy."

703
00:30:15,921 --> 00:30:18,723
And I'm like, but it's almost
done, it'll be so much better!

704
00:30:18,790 --> 00:30:21,425
He's like, "This is 36 frames,
leave it, just leave it."

705
00:30:21,492 --> 00:30:23,895
- It was the right decision
because it's a great moment,

706
00:30:23,961 --> 00:30:26,597
<i>it happens fast and it has</i>
<i>the effect it needs.</i>

707
00:30:28,733 --> 00:30:31,502
<i>[spooky music]</i>

708
00:30:31,569 --> 00:30:33,537
- We were working on this film
for quite a long time

709
00:30:33,604 --> 00:30:35,674
and someone said, you know,
there's a TV show called

710
00:30:35,740 --> 00:30:37,208
"Ghost Busters"
which I didn't know.

711
00:30:37,274 --> 00:30:39,109
- ♪ We're Ghost Busters ♪

712
00:30:39,176 --> 00:30:40,745
- I'm Spencer, he's Tracy.
- I'm Carl.

713
00:30:40,812 --> 00:30:43,180
- The title was owned by
a company called Filmation

714
00:30:43,247 --> 00:30:44,883
<i>that mainly made cartoons.</i>

715
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:46,417
When we started shooting,

716
00:30:46,484 --> 00:30:48,452
Columbia didn't want to make
a deal with them,

717
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:50,889
so we thought it might be
called "Ghost Breakers."

718
00:30:50,956 --> 00:30:52,824
- Ghost Blasters?

719
00:30:52,891 --> 00:30:53,991
- Blasters.
- Blasters.

720
00:30:54,058 --> 00:30:55,526
all:
Ghost Blasters.

721
00:30:55,593 --> 00:30:57,094
Ghost Stoppers.

722
00:30:57,161 --> 00:31:00,531
We're ready to believe you.

723
00:31:00,598 --> 00:31:03,835
- <i>Now we're good, keep your</i>
<i>focus right on the lens.</i>

724
00:31:03,902 --> 00:31:05,503
- <i>We're dying!</i>

725
00:31:05,569 --> 00:31:08,072
- For a while we had all these
stamps we were supposed to use

726
00:31:08,138 --> 00:31:10,341
<i>for lab reports</i>
<i>and stuff like that</i>

727
00:31:10,407 --> 00:31:12,142
<i>and we had all these</i>
<i>different names.</i>

728
00:31:12,209 --> 00:31:14,278
<i>- We were doing one scene</i>
<i>where we had to put a sign up,</i>

729
00:31:14,345 --> 00:31:16,681
<i>it said "Ghostbusters"</i>
<i>and then "Ghostbreakers,"</i>

730
00:31:16,748 --> 00:31:19,483
and that's when I phoned them
and said, we can't do this,

731
00:31:19,550 --> 00:31:21,285
we'll never finish the movie.

732
00:31:21,352 --> 00:31:22,754
You gotta clear that title.

733
00:31:22,821 --> 00:31:24,689
<i>So they paid some money</i>
<i>and cleared the title,</i>

734
00:31:24,756 --> 00:31:28,092
<i>but gave Filmation the rights</i>
<i>to use the name "GhostBusters"</i>

735
00:31:28,158 --> 00:31:29,761
<i>in a cartoon show.</i>

736
00:31:29,828 --> 00:31:32,731
- <i>Starts Monday at 3:30,</i>
<i>only on channel 11.</i>

737
00:31:34,198 --> 00:31:36,033
- <i>Hey, does this pole</i>
<i>still work?</i>

738
00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:37,401
- The firehouse,
we knew we wanted

739
00:31:37,468 --> 00:31:39,103
a decommissioned firehouse.

740
00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:42,573
- The firehouse was found right
on the edge of Soho in New York

741
00:31:42,641 --> 00:31:45,175
<i>in the beginning of Tribeca,</i>
<i>there's an intersection</i>

742
00:31:45,242 --> 00:31:46,745
<i>at Varick and North Moore.</i>

743
00:31:46,811 --> 00:31:48,579
- It turns out
that's a style of firehouse

744
00:31:48,647 --> 00:31:50,882
and the exterior of the
firehouse is in New York

745
00:31:50,949 --> 00:31:52,082
and people are
very proud of it,

746
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:53,584
<i>they drive by it all the time.</i>

747
00:31:53,652 --> 00:31:56,253
<i>But the interior is actually</i>
<i>a very similar firehouse</i>

748
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,989
<i>in downtown Los Angeles.</i>

749
00:31:58,055 --> 00:32:00,759
- Built in the exact same year
as the New York firehouse,

750
00:32:00,825 --> 00:32:02,259
so it was an excellent match.

751
00:32:04,896 --> 00:32:07,264
<i>- The Ghostbusters logo,</i>
<i>for instance, was easy.</i>

752
00:32:07,331 --> 00:32:09,533
<i>[dramatic music]</i>

753
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,502
- <i>Coming to save the world.</i>

754
00:32:11,569 --> 00:32:12,871
- I didn't create that,
I just got it done,

755
00:32:12,938 --> 00:32:14,706
and it was in Danny's script.

756
00:32:14,773 --> 00:32:16,741
For me, it was just getting it
implemented, and it wasn't

757
00:32:16,808 --> 00:32:19,911
a matter of doing a major logo
for a major film

758
00:32:19,978 --> 00:32:21,345
for their ad campaign--

759
00:32:21,412 --> 00:32:23,380
it was to do something
to put on their shirts

760
00:32:23,447 --> 00:32:24,950
<i>and on the sign</i>
<i>on the side of the car.</i>

761
00:32:25,016 --> 00:32:26,685
And we had a team of artists

762
00:32:26,751 --> 00:32:28,385
<i>already been working</i>
<i>in the effects house.</i>

763
00:32:28,452 --> 00:32:30,187
<i>I went to the one</i>
<i>I knew the best.</i>

764
00:32:30,254 --> 00:32:32,456
- Greg Boats designed the logo.

765
00:32:32,523 --> 00:32:35,125
<i>- And I said, give me versions</i>
<i>of this logo.</i>

766
00:32:37,028 --> 00:32:38,863
<i>And we just handed them over</i>
<i>to the art department.</i>

767
00:32:41,700 --> 00:32:45,302
- We wrote this character
of a neighbor

768
00:32:45,369 --> 00:32:48,039
<i>to whoever the woman</i>
<i>was in the building.</i>

769
00:32:48,105 --> 00:32:50,875
<i>- We did want John Candy</i>
<i>in the movie, we loved John</i>

770
00:32:50,942 --> 00:32:54,913
and we'd all worked with him,
starting back at Second City.

771
00:32:54,980 --> 00:32:57,716
<i>- In fact, I have storyboards</i>
<i>that I did for John.</i>

772
00:32:57,782 --> 00:32:59,884
The party sequence where
the terror dog breaks through

773
00:32:59,951 --> 00:33:03,153
the wall and I drew John Candy
through the whole sequence.

774
00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:04,388
<i>- He was a real favorite</i>
<i>of mine</i>

775
00:33:04,455 --> 00:33:05,991
and a good friend
and I remember

776
00:33:06,057 --> 00:33:08,459
<i>calling Candy up and saying,</i>
<i>okay, John,</i>

777
00:33:08,525 --> 00:33:09,861
<i>I've got a great part,</i>

778
00:33:09,928 --> 00:33:12,229
and I sent over sort of
the first rough draft

779
00:33:12,296 --> 00:33:14,198
that we threw together
so quickly.

780
00:33:14,264 --> 00:33:16,233
He called back and he said,
"Well,

781
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:19,104
"I'm thinking of doing him in
a German accent

782
00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:20,839
and he's gotta have dogs."

783
00:33:20,905 --> 00:33:24,375
I said, dogs?
"Yeah, big German shepherds."

784
00:33:24,441 --> 00:33:27,712
I said, but John, you can't
have German shepherds,

785
00:33:27,779 --> 00:33:30,581
you can't have dogs at all
because part of the plot is,

786
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:32,817
you know, there's these dogs
on the roof and people

787
00:33:32,884 --> 00:33:34,318
are gonna get confused

788
00:33:34,385 --> 00:33:36,420
and the story
is complicated enough.

789
00:33:36,487 --> 00:33:42,226
And he just got adamant that
he had to be a German person

790
00:33:42,292 --> 00:33:45,697
and he had to have
German shepherds.

791
00:33:45,764 --> 00:33:48,399
- John wanted too much money.
[laughing]

792
00:33:48,465 --> 00:33:51,670
He kind of got agented
right out of the movie.

793
00:33:51,736 --> 00:33:54,973
<i>- And Rick Moranis, who was</i>
<i>working with him on SCTV</i>

794
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,174
<i>and who I knew</i>
<i>because I'm Canadian</i>

795
00:33:57,241 --> 00:33:58,810
<i>and we all know each other,</i>

796
00:33:58,877 --> 00:34:02,513
I called him up and I thought
he might be a very good version

797
00:34:02,579 --> 00:34:04,214
<i>of what we were writing,</i>

798
00:34:04,281 --> 00:34:07,786
<i>which is a more uptight kind</i>
<i>of nerdy kind of character.</i>

799
00:34:07,852 --> 00:34:09,586
<i>Rick Moranis read it</i>
<i>in 24 hours</i>

800
00:34:09,654 --> 00:34:11,823
<i>and called me back</i>
<i>and he said, "I'm so happy.</i>

801
00:34:11,890 --> 00:34:13,290
"This is the greatest script
I've ever read;

802
00:34:13,357 --> 00:34:14,625
I want to be in it."

803
00:34:14,693 --> 00:34:17,629
- <i>Yeah, ghosts scare</i>
<i>the pants off me.</i>

804
00:34:17,696 --> 00:34:19,463
<i>The polyester pants off me.</i>

805
00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:21,733
- Rick was there and great
and brilliant

806
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,635
<i>and really had a great take</i>
<i>on that character,</i>

807
00:34:23,702 --> 00:34:25,937
<i>so he became Louis Tully.</i>

808
00:34:26,004 --> 00:34:28,840
I'd say Sigourney was the
biggest surprise in the movie

809
00:34:28,907 --> 00:34:30,975
<i>for us and had</i>
<i>the most profound impact</i>

810
00:34:31,042 --> 00:34:32,777
on the finished product.

811
00:34:32,844 --> 00:34:34,746
- You know, we had been
writing so quickly,

812
00:34:34,813 --> 00:34:36,981
there was no female part,
really.

813
00:34:37,048 --> 00:34:39,084
<i>We knew there was a woman</i>

814
00:34:39,150 --> 00:34:40,517
<i>in this building</i>
<i>on Central Park</i>

815
00:34:40,584 --> 00:34:42,887
<i>that Bill Murray</i>
<i>comes to check out</i>

816
00:34:42,954 --> 00:34:45,924
<i>because of stuff</i>
<i>that was going on there,</i>

817
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:47,926
and we had the effects,
we didn't really have

818
00:34:47,992 --> 00:34:50,594
any character,
we had no real role for her.

819
00:34:50,662 --> 00:34:53,798
- We've been accused for years
of not writing good

820
00:34:53,865 --> 00:34:56,433
female characters
because comedy at the time

821
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:58,435
was very much a boys club.

822
00:34:58,502 --> 00:35:01,172
- Really met some wonderful
actresses for this part.

823
00:35:01,238 --> 00:35:02,807
- <i>Don't you remember me?</i>

824
00:35:02,874 --> 00:35:04,408
<i>I'm Peter Venkman</i>
<i>from Ghostbusters?</i>

825
00:35:04,475 --> 00:35:06,111
- <i>I am Zuul.</i>

826
00:35:06,177 --> 00:35:08,012
<i>I am the Gatekeeper.</i>

827
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:10,581
- <i>My psychiatrist thinks</i>
<i>I'm losing my mind.</i>

828
00:35:10,648 --> 00:35:12,382
<i>My friends think</i>
<i>I'm taking LSD</i>

829
00:35:12,449 --> 00:35:15,787
<i>and I haven't even had the</i>
<i>nerve to tell my parents yet.</i>

830
00:35:15,854 --> 00:35:18,022
- Finally,
Sigourney Weaver walks in,

831
00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:19,590
<i>all six-eight feet of her.</i>

832
00:35:19,657 --> 00:35:23,027
- You know, I'm not sure
how they thought of me, um,

833
00:35:23,094 --> 00:35:27,397
because I really hadn't done--
I'd done a lot of comedy

834
00:35:27,464 --> 00:35:30,267
<i>in the theater,</i>
<i>but not in movies.</i>

835
00:35:30,334 --> 00:35:31,836
<i>I then had to meet</i>
<i>Ivan Reitman.</i>

836
00:35:31,903 --> 00:35:35,439
<i>I remember I went out to LA</i>
<i>and I auditioned for him.</i>

837
00:35:35,506 --> 00:35:36,975
He filmed it,
which was the first time

838
00:35:37,041 --> 00:35:38,910
I'd ever been filmed
in an audition.

839
00:35:38,977 --> 00:35:40,678
- And she's talking about it,
and she finally says,

840
00:35:40,745 --> 00:35:43,148
<i>"You know, I should get</i>
<i>possessed in this movie."</i>

841
00:35:43,214 --> 00:35:44,515
And I thought, oh, my God,

842
00:35:44,581 --> 00:35:46,918
am I gonna have another
John Candy conversation?

843
00:35:46,985 --> 00:35:50,021
- I remember that I so wanted
to get the job that

844
00:35:50,088 --> 00:35:53,423
I then became a dog toward
the end of the scene,

845
00:35:53,490 --> 00:35:55,325
I'm supposed to become
a terror dog,

846
00:35:55,392 --> 00:35:57,195
and so I was jumping
around and...

847
00:35:57,262 --> 00:35:58,963
grabbing the cushions.

848
00:35:59,030 --> 00:36:02,466
- Sigourney in kind of a short
dress and it's kind of sexy.

849
00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:05,970
And she's baying to the moon
and I was so knocked out

850
00:36:06,037 --> 00:36:08,740
<i>that the woman who knocked off</i>
<i>the Alien was there</i>

851
00:36:08,807 --> 00:36:11,042
baying at the moon
in my office.

852
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:13,377
- I think I frightened him,
he said later

853
00:36:13,443 --> 00:36:16,247
he would never show the tape
to anyone.

854
00:36:16,346 --> 00:36:18,016
- And I turned around
and I remember calling up Dan

855
00:36:18,082 --> 00:36:21,186
and Harold and saying,
you know, she was saying

856
00:36:21,252 --> 00:36:22,887
she should be possessed and,

857
00:36:22,954 --> 00:36:25,355
you know,
it sort of makes sense.

858
00:36:25,422 --> 00:36:29,260
- And I did really feel that
I could do a good job as Dana

859
00:36:29,326 --> 00:36:30,628
because I love the script,

860
00:36:30,695 --> 00:36:33,031
I thought it was just
such a love letter

861
00:36:33,097 --> 00:36:37,334
to our common condition
and to New York.

862
00:36:37,401 --> 00:36:40,571
<i>- Sigourney, she's this</i>
<i>very beautiful, statuesque,</i>

863
00:36:40,638 --> 00:36:42,372
<i>very intelligent woman,</i>

864
00:36:42,439 --> 00:36:47,879
but she really is also kind of
a Margaret Dumont-like presence.

865
00:36:47,946 --> 00:36:51,282
<i>She has that kind of regality</i>
<i>that Margaret Dumont had</i>

866
00:36:51,348 --> 00:36:54,786
<i>with the Marx Brothers, and I</i>
<i>thought, yeah, she could work,</i>

867
00:36:54,853 --> 00:36:57,055
<i>she's certainly</i>
<i>an extraordinary actress,</i>

868
00:36:57,121 --> 00:36:58,622
<i>but beyond that you know,</i>

869
00:36:58,690 --> 00:37:00,959
<i>she would have the strength</i>
<i>and presence to just</i>

870
00:37:01,025 --> 00:37:04,863
not get bullied over
by the likes of Bill Murray.

871
00:37:04,929 --> 00:37:07,632
<i>- So she took it and</i>
<i>it made us want to be better,</i>

872
00:37:07,699 --> 00:37:09,399
<i>just raised the whole level</i>

873
00:37:09,466 --> 00:37:10,869
<i>and made Bill want</i>
<i>to be better.</i>

874
00:37:10,935 --> 00:37:14,138
And he came up with the idea of,
"I'm gonna prove myself to you,"

875
00:37:14,205 --> 00:37:16,741
you know, the idea that she was
way too good for him,

876
00:37:16,808 --> 00:37:19,644
which was so apparent
in everything they did

877
00:37:19,711 --> 00:37:21,779
and said to each other.

878
00:37:21,846 --> 00:37:23,715
- I am madly in love with you.

879
00:37:23,781 --> 00:37:26,416
- I don't believe this.
Will you please leave?

880
00:37:26,483 --> 00:37:27,652
- And the idea that he needed

881
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,254
to prove himself
was very important,

882
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,656
<i>because it gave us</i>
<i>some rooting interest</i>

883
00:37:31,723 --> 00:37:34,225
<i>in his character,</i>
<i>actually, winning her over.</i>

884
00:37:34,292 --> 00:37:36,261
- No kiss?

885
00:37:36,327 --> 00:37:38,997
<i>- I remember at the time</i>
<i>I had a Brazilian nanny</i>

886
00:37:39,063 --> 00:37:40,865
<i>who was really cute</i>
<i>and she had</i>

887
00:37:40,932 --> 00:37:43,533
a very whimsical way of putting
herself together,

888
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,738
and I said, I've got
this funny audition

889
00:37:46,804 --> 00:37:50,074
<i>and I'd like you</i>
<i>to dress me for it.</i>

890
00:37:50,141 --> 00:37:52,777
So my Brazilian nanny
dressed me for it

891
00:37:52,844 --> 00:37:55,346
and I went in and got the role.

892
00:37:55,412 --> 00:37:58,016
- There's a scene where Egon's
working under her desk,

893
00:37:58,082 --> 00:38:00,952
<i>maybe she has eyes for him</i>
<i>a little bit,</i>

894
00:38:01,019 --> 00:38:02,987
<i>she's trying</i>
<i>to be flirtatious.</i>

895
00:38:03,054 --> 00:38:04,923
- I bet you like to read
a lot too.

896
00:38:04,989 --> 00:38:08,126
<i>That may have been a bit of</i>
<i>an addition that we found</i>

897
00:38:08,192 --> 00:38:10,261
that there was a little
chemistry thing there,

898
00:38:10,328 --> 00:38:11,696
it was like, well, why not?

899
00:38:11,763 --> 00:38:13,164
- We actually explored
that relationship

900
00:38:13,231 --> 00:38:14,632
in the original script.

901
00:38:14,699 --> 00:38:17,902
- <i>I want you to take this.</i>
- <i>What is it?</i>

902
00:38:17,969 --> 00:38:19,871
- <i>It's a souvenir</i>
<i>from the World's Fair</i>

903
00:38:19,938 --> 00:38:23,308
<i>in Flushing Meadow in 1964.</i>

904
00:38:23,374 --> 00:38:25,677
- And there's a little,
tiny bit of it in the movie,

905
00:38:25,743 --> 00:38:28,612
but I started to feel it was
really wrong for Egon

906
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,249
to suddenly become
emotionally involved

907
00:38:31,316 --> 00:38:33,017
<i>in any way in the movie.</i>

908
00:38:33,084 --> 00:38:35,286
But Annie Potts
was so lovely to work with

909
00:38:35,353 --> 00:38:38,323
<i>and was so much in the spirit</i>
<i>of it, just really got it.</i>

910
00:38:38,389 --> 00:38:40,058
<i>She's kind of a Southern girl,</i>

911
00:38:40,124 --> 00:38:43,061
<i>but she put on that kind</i>
<i>of fake Bronx-Brooklyn thing</i>

912
00:38:43,127 --> 00:38:44,963
for the character
and it worked so well.

913
00:38:45,029 --> 00:38:46,898
- A lot of casting people
wouldn't see me, they'd go,

914
00:38:46,965 --> 00:38:51,135
"Oh, no, too, too New York,"
um...

915
00:38:51,202 --> 00:38:57,208
And I was...I'm from the South,
I put on that accent.

916
00:38:57,275 --> 00:38:59,444
I was--I was actually acting.

917
00:38:59,509 --> 00:39:00,945
- She was really just a--

918
00:39:01,012 --> 00:39:02,714
just a lovely part of
the team, I thought.

919
00:39:02,780 --> 00:39:05,515
- We got one!
[buzzer ringing]

920
00:39:05,582 --> 00:39:08,252
That line will probably be
on my tombstone.

921
00:39:09,654 --> 00:39:11,488
- A call!
[song starts playing]

922
00:39:11,555 --> 00:39:13,358
<i>- We had this song and</i>
<i>my manager took this over</i>

923
00:39:13,424 --> 00:39:16,694
<i>to Ivan Reitman, said,</i>
<i>"Do you want to do this movie?</i>

924
00:39:16,761 --> 00:39:18,663
There's a song, we think
you could do it."

925
00:39:18,730 --> 00:39:20,064
I said, sure,
it sounds good.

926
00:39:20,131 --> 00:39:21,899
I said,
let me see what's up.

927
00:39:21,966 --> 00:39:23,234
<i>He said, "I have no time</i>
<i>for that--</i>

928
00:39:23,301 --> 00:39:25,937
<i>"I need you to take a look</i>
<i>at the lyrics,</i>

929
00:39:26,004 --> 00:39:27,772
<i>"figure out</i>
<i>some appropriate changes</i>

930
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:29,974
and fax this over to me."

931
00:39:30,041 --> 00:39:31,943
He says,
I have about 30 minutes.

932
00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:33,644
<i>And, you know, you learn</i>
<i>in this business,</i>

933
00:39:33,711 --> 00:39:36,080
the first answer
is always "yes."

934
00:39:36,147 --> 00:39:37,982
Then you hang up the phone
and figure out

935
00:39:38,049 --> 00:39:40,785
how you're gonna do this.
[laughing]

936
00:39:40,852 --> 00:39:44,722
<i>So I finish what I'm doing</i>
<i>in 45 minutes or so</i>

937
00:39:44,789 --> 00:39:47,557
<i>and fax these changes</i>
<i>over to Ivan,</i>

938
00:39:47,624 --> 00:39:50,428
and Ivan goes,
"Yeah, this works."

939
00:39:50,495 --> 00:39:53,131
<i>I thought the way they used</i>
<i>the song was brilliant.</i>

940
00:39:53,197 --> 00:39:55,633
<i>You know, the Bus Boys</i>
<i>were all about and still are</i>

941
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:57,502
<i>a working class</i>
<i>thought process,</i>

942
00:39:57,567 --> 00:39:59,137
and the fact that they used us

943
00:39:59,203 --> 00:40:01,538
right at the point they
finally got some work

944
00:40:01,605 --> 00:40:04,608
I thought was like,
pure genius.

945
00:40:04,675 --> 00:40:07,211
<i>[song playing]</i>

946
00:40:08,946 --> 00:40:10,214
Huh.

947
00:40:14,285 --> 00:40:16,187
<i>- The Sedgewick Hotel was</i>
<i>shot at the Biltmore Hotel</i>

948
00:40:16,254 --> 00:40:17,789
in downtown Los Angeles.

949
00:40:17,855 --> 00:40:20,892
<i>- I was actually put up</i>
<i>for the man from the EPA,</i>

950
00:40:20,958 --> 00:40:22,960
<i>the part that</i>
<i>William Atherton played.</i>

951
00:40:23,027 --> 00:40:26,697
And then my agent
rang one day and said,

952
00:40:26,764 --> 00:40:28,933
"Would you like a booby prize?"

953
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,402
- Across from the Biltmore
Hotel in Los Angeles

954
00:40:31,469 --> 00:40:33,204
is just a park,

955
00:40:33,271 --> 00:40:34,839
but when you look out
the doors there you'll see

956
00:40:34,906 --> 00:40:37,041
a whole cityscape
that was created.

957
00:40:37,108 --> 00:40:39,210
<i>What we did was we took over</i>
<i>part of the street and built</i>

958
00:40:39,277 --> 00:40:42,612
<i>some storefronts that</i>
<i>we then saw through the doors.</i>

959
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,117
- It was a sequence that should
have taken two, three days,

960
00:40:46,184 --> 00:40:49,954
but they were working on
a deadline and had to get it in

961
00:40:50,021 --> 00:40:52,156
that amazingly long night.

962
00:40:52,223 --> 00:40:54,892
<i>It was a very</i>
<i>difficult camera move,</i>

963
00:40:54,959 --> 00:40:58,362
<i>and it required</i>
<i>precise timing.</i>

964
00:40:58,429 --> 00:41:02,800
Well, I was mister ex-RSC,
London Academy of Music

965
00:41:02,867 --> 00:41:04,902
<i>Dramatic Art prepared actor,</i>

966
00:41:04,969 --> 00:41:07,371
knowing my lines backwards
and forwards,

967
00:41:07,438 --> 00:41:09,240
and timing it all out,

968
00:41:09,307 --> 00:41:12,643
but then they put me down
with those guys.

969
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:14,011
- Did you ever report it
to anyone?

970
00:41:14,078 --> 00:41:15,847
- No, heavens, no!
- No.

971
00:41:15,913 --> 00:41:18,349
<i>- And I'm just sort of</i>
<i>guestimating</i>

972
00:41:18,416 --> 00:41:20,651
<i>when they're going</i>
<i>to finish riffing</i>

973
00:41:20,718 --> 00:41:22,887
<i>and we would continually</i>
<i>be wrong.</i>

974
00:41:22,954 --> 00:41:26,324
And finally Ivan Reitman
got very annoyed,

975
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:28,860
in fact,
he yelled at me.

976
00:41:28,926 --> 00:41:32,296
<i>I can't remember now whether</i>
<i>it was Dan or Bill</i>

977
00:41:32,363 --> 00:41:36,334
<i>who piped up and said, "Back</i>
<i>off, Ivan, it's our fault,</i>

978
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,935
<i>don't go on his case."</i>

979
00:41:38,002 --> 00:41:41,139
And to this day I think
I was a surrogate

980
00:41:41,205 --> 00:41:44,008
for some frustration
because if I was Ivan Reitman

981
00:41:44,075 --> 00:41:46,277
I wouldn't want to be yelling
at my stars either.

982
00:41:46,344 --> 00:41:49,113
- I hope we could take care of
this quietly, tonight.

983
00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:51,916
- John Daveikis and I designed
the movie in terms of

984
00:41:51,983 --> 00:41:53,417
just the props in the car.

985
00:41:53,484 --> 00:41:55,486
Of course, we had a fantastic
professional crew

986
00:41:55,553 --> 00:41:58,322
<i>of Hollywood props</i>
<i>designers and costumers,</i>

987
00:41:58,389 --> 00:42:01,259
but the basically ideas
for the pack,

988
00:42:01,325 --> 00:42:03,961
the ecto,
that was Daveikis and myself.

989
00:42:04,028 --> 00:42:06,330
<i>He is a college friend of mine</i>
<i>and we drew up</i>

990
00:42:06,397 --> 00:42:08,432
<i>all my concepts for me.</i>

991
00:42:08,499 --> 00:42:11,169
<i>So when we walked in we had</i>
<i>the ecto, we had the packs,</i>

992
00:42:11,235 --> 00:42:14,472
we had the wands, the had the
technology of all those props,

993
00:42:14,539 --> 00:42:16,607
we had the jumpsuits,
we had the whole look

994
00:42:16,674 --> 00:42:18,609
<i>of the industrial cleaners.</i>

995
00:42:18,676 --> 00:42:20,978
<i>- In the script they were</i>
<i>shooting beams called</i>

996
00:42:21,045 --> 00:42:22,847
<i>Nutrona wands</i>
<i>because you had a pack,</i>

997
00:42:22,914 --> 00:42:25,449
<i>you had some sort of device</i>
<i>that went down to your wrist,</i>

998
00:42:25,516 --> 00:42:26,918
and these would come out,

999
00:42:26,984 --> 00:42:28,085
they would--
you would press a button

1000
00:42:28,152 --> 00:42:30,254
<i>and you would have</i>
<i>two beams go up.</i>

1001
00:42:30,321 --> 00:42:32,390
- One of the lines is,
"Okay, make them hard."

1002
00:42:32,456 --> 00:42:36,027
<i>So a physical prop had to be</i>
<i>able to click--</i>

1003
00:42:36,093 --> 00:42:38,863
and then the thing
had to have an erection.

1004
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:41,399
- A tube would pop out
at the end.

1005
00:42:41,465 --> 00:42:42,967
[clicking]
all: Ready!

1006
00:42:43,034 --> 00:42:47,939
- Which seemed to simulate
some kind of techno erection.

1007
00:42:48,005 --> 00:42:50,308
- And they are phallic, so...
- Right, exactly.

1008
00:42:50,374 --> 00:42:52,577
<i>And it was not a film</i>
<i>that there was going to be</i>

1009
00:42:52,644 --> 00:42:54,245
<i>a subtle aspect of it.</i>

1010
00:42:54,312 --> 00:42:58,115
- People always question the
yellow hose that was connected,

1011
00:42:58,182 --> 00:42:59,984
<i>came out of the proton pack</i>

1012
00:43:00,051 --> 00:43:04,121
and ran into a flanged valve
on our thighs.

1013
00:43:04,188 --> 00:43:05,990
And I don't know,
for some reason they made

1014
00:43:06,057 --> 00:43:08,926
<i>the rubber tube yellow,</i>
<i>which suggested</i>

1015
00:43:08,993 --> 00:43:11,529
that it was some kind
of catheter, I don't know.

1016
00:43:11,596 --> 00:43:14,532
<i>But the proton packs,</i>
<i>there were several versions.</i>

1017
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:17,602
Whenever we were going to do a
physical stunt, it was actually

1018
00:43:17,669 --> 00:43:20,271
<i>a rubber model of the proton</i>
<i>packs you could fall on</i>

1019
00:43:20,338 --> 00:43:23,007
and not hurt yourself,
but nothing on it worked.

1020
00:43:23,074 --> 00:43:24,542
<i>Then there was</i>
<i>the full version</i>

1021
00:43:24,609 --> 00:43:26,310
<i>which had all</i>
<i>the batteries in it</i>

1022
00:43:26,377 --> 00:43:27,845
<i>and powered up</i>
<i>the whole pack</i>

1023
00:43:27,912 --> 00:43:30,114
<i>and that probably weighed</i>
<i>over 25 pounds.</i>

1024
00:43:30,181 --> 00:43:32,684
That got Murray
complaining a lot.

1025
00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:35,253
<i>Bill's the--he's cranky</i>
<i>and he just would complain</i>

1026
00:43:35,319 --> 00:43:37,922
<i>all the time about</i>
<i>lugging those things around.</i>

1027
00:43:37,989 --> 00:43:40,324
So whenever possible
they would--as soon as we were

1028
00:43:40,391 --> 00:43:42,694
done with the heavy ones
they would switch them out.

1029
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,528
[machinery humming]

1030
00:43:44,595 --> 00:43:47,765
And they put a nice, deep hum
into the soundtrack

1031
00:43:47,832 --> 00:43:50,167
as the proton pack
kind of fires up.

1032
00:43:50,234 --> 00:43:52,303
- It shouldn't sound like
a light switch, it had to sound

1033
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:55,072
like it was expensive
and heavy duty

1034
00:43:55,139 --> 00:43:56,841
<i>and when it made its sound...</i>

1035
00:43:56,907 --> 00:43:58,744
<i>[machinery humming]</i>

1036
00:43:58,809 --> 00:44:00,244
<i>...something was</i>
<i>going to happen.</i>

1037
00:44:00,311 --> 00:44:02,013
The idea that,
okay, they turn this on

1038
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,750
and it actually takes time
to charge up, like,

1039
00:44:04,815 --> 00:44:07,485
<i>the energy that they have</i>
<i>isn't available instantly.</i>

1040
00:44:07,551 --> 00:44:09,688
<i>- There's this really</i>
<i>nice set-up</i>

1041
00:44:09,755 --> 00:44:12,857
that the equipment
had some danger,

1042
00:44:12,923 --> 00:44:15,393
some occupational hazard
associated with it.

1043
00:44:15,459 --> 00:44:18,262
<i>And of course,</i>
<i>when we open on the poor maid.</i>

1044
00:44:18,329 --> 00:44:20,498
- I was on the set
at that time.

1045
00:44:20,564 --> 00:44:23,034
<i>We had loaded that cart</i>
<i>fairly heavily,</i>

1046
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:25,569
<i>and we said we had to go</i>
<i>tell the lady</i>

1047
00:44:25,637 --> 00:44:27,238
what was going to go happening,

1048
00:44:27,305 --> 00:44:30,541
and the director said,
"No, let's just do it."

1049
00:44:30,608 --> 00:44:32,476
- The first test of that,

1050
00:44:32,543 --> 00:44:35,112
<i>she walks out with the cart</i>
<i>and when the guys shoot,</i>

1051
00:44:35,179 --> 00:44:39,283
there's such a huge
sort of pyro explosion.

1052
00:44:39,350 --> 00:44:43,387
[explosion]
Scared the hell out of her.

1053
00:44:43,454 --> 00:44:46,725
- She ducked and covered,
which is fairly prudent,

1054
00:44:46,792 --> 00:44:49,193
and then she looked up
and said...

1055
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:51,228
- What the hell are you doing?

1056
00:44:51,295 --> 00:44:53,397
- "What the hell
are you guys doing?"

1057
00:44:53,464 --> 00:44:55,599
- [laughs]
- Which is in the film.

1058
00:44:55,667 --> 00:44:57,636
- That was a natural reaction.

1059
00:44:57,703 --> 00:45:00,171
- The biggest problem with the
proton packs was--it was with

1060
00:45:00,237 --> 00:45:01,773
the wands as well--
was trying to figure out

1061
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:03,207
how the beams would work.

1062
00:45:03,274 --> 00:45:04,842
<i>They had to be animated,</i>
<i>we knew that,</i>

1063
00:45:04,909 --> 00:45:07,178
<i>and there weren't a lot of</i>
<i>animated effects around</i>

1064
00:45:07,244 --> 00:45:08,846
other than a ray gun.

1065
00:45:08,913 --> 00:45:11,215
- This is all film-based
as opposed to

1066
00:45:11,282 --> 00:45:13,819
<i>digitally-based</i>
<i>special effects.</i>

1067
00:45:13,884 --> 00:45:15,286
<i>- They had it easy, digitally.</i>

1068
00:45:15,353 --> 00:45:17,321
<i>But it wasn't,</i>
<i>it was all hand animation.</i>

1069
00:45:17,388 --> 00:45:20,057
- In order to make the shot
work, you have to figure out

1070
00:45:20,124 --> 00:45:22,560
how to distract the eye
in an artful way.

1071
00:45:22,626 --> 00:45:24,595
<i>- And we did all these boards</i>
<i>and everything,</i>

1072
00:45:24,663 --> 00:45:27,465
<i>and when Dan came in it was</i>
<i>like, starting about</i>

1073
00:45:27,531 --> 00:45:30,167
<i>the Nutrona wands and it was</i>
<i>like talking to a child.</i>

1074
00:45:30,234 --> 00:45:31,902
<i>And he started talking</i>
<i>about it, he said,</i>

1075
00:45:31,969 --> 00:45:34,639
"You know, it's not a laser,"
he goes, he goes, "Imagine like

1076
00:45:34,706 --> 00:45:38,542
"an eight-year-old kid grabs
a firehose and turns it on

1077
00:45:38,609 --> 00:45:40,746
and just starts whippin' him
around the room."

1078
00:45:40,812 --> 00:45:42,913
<i>- When you pull the trigger</i>
<i>for the first time,</i>

1079
00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:46,685
<i>the photo flashbulb at the end</i>
<i>of the wand would go off,</i>

1080
00:45:46,752 --> 00:45:48,452
which the special effects guys

1081
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:51,589
used as a reference
for when the beam came out.

1082
00:45:51,656 --> 00:45:54,058
- I wanted strobe lights
and interactive lighting

1083
00:45:54,125 --> 00:45:56,627
to tie things
into a physical set.

1084
00:45:56,695 --> 00:45:58,295
- So everybody had
these dramatic shadows

1085
00:45:58,362 --> 00:46:00,131
and the place was blowing up.

1086
00:46:00,197 --> 00:46:01,867
<i>- Because you don't want</i>
<i>to have to animate,</i>

1087
00:46:01,932 --> 00:46:04,335
you know, kind of flare--
you can do that,

1088
00:46:04,402 --> 00:46:07,639
but it's not as successful
as shooting the real thing.

1089
00:46:07,706 --> 00:46:09,273
<i>- It's a bonding agent.</i>

1090
00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:10,975
<i>- So that's part of</i>
<i>understanding</i>

1091
00:46:11,041 --> 00:46:13,177
filming tricks and cheats.

1092
00:46:13,244 --> 00:46:15,045
- The scene would be
storyboarded,

1093
00:46:15,112 --> 00:46:17,281
it would be five beam shots.

1094
00:46:17,348 --> 00:46:19,617
<i>Ivan would cut together this</i>
<i>footage and it was funnier</i>

1095
00:46:19,684 --> 00:46:21,986
<i>and better and suddenly</i>
<i>there were 11.</i>

1096
00:46:22,052 --> 00:46:24,288
And we said, we don't have
time, we don't have the money--

1097
00:46:24,355 --> 00:46:25,657
do it.

1098
00:46:25,724 --> 00:46:27,224
<i>And John Bruno</i>
<i>was smart enough,</i>

1099
00:46:27,291 --> 00:46:28,760
<i>realizing the deadline</i>
<i>ahead of us,</i>

1100
00:46:28,827 --> 00:46:30,762
<i>to come up with a concept</i>
<i>that he knew</i>

1101
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:32,764
those people could deliver.

1102
00:46:32,831 --> 00:46:34,999
And if there was one thing
we kept adding to the movie,

1103
00:46:35,065 --> 00:46:36,802
<i>it was beam shots.</i>

1104
00:46:36,868 --> 00:46:40,471
<i>- To come up with a look,</i>
<i>it was like rubberized light.</i>

1105
00:46:40,538 --> 00:46:43,140
It was a signature look
to Ghostbusters.

1106
00:46:43,207 --> 00:46:45,409
- You know, how are we gonna
get four guys

1107
00:46:45,476 --> 00:46:47,211
to point these things
in the right direction?

1108
00:46:47,278 --> 00:46:49,280
<i>- And it happens very quickly,</i>
<i>it's hard to see,</i>

1109
00:46:49,346 --> 00:46:51,449
but if you look at this stuff
slowly you actually realize

1110
00:46:51,515 --> 00:46:54,151
often that there's
a blast at the target

1111
00:46:54,218 --> 00:46:55,986
<i>and it shoots actually</i>
<i>into the gun,</i>

1112
00:46:56,053 --> 00:46:57,555
<i>so the energy's going out</i>

1113
00:46:57,621 --> 00:46:59,623
<i>and coming back in</i>
<i>at the same time.</i>

1114
00:46:59,691 --> 00:47:03,561
- When they decided to actually
see the ghost, then it would be

1115
00:47:03,627 --> 00:47:07,531
<i>difficult to shoot in</i>
<i>the corridors of the hotel</i>

1116
00:47:07,598 --> 00:47:10,702
because it would be hard
to get as much light in there

1117
00:47:10,769 --> 00:47:12,570
<i>as they would need for</i>
<i>some of the special effects.</i>

1118
00:47:12,637 --> 00:47:14,773
<i>So subsequently</i>
<i>they built those corridors</i>

1119
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,373
<i>at Warner Brothers.</i>

1120
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,878
- Well, Slimer, you know,
started off as drawings.

1121
00:47:19,945 --> 00:47:22,647
<i>[carnival music]</i>

1122
00:47:22,714 --> 00:47:29,654
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1123
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:35,593
And then Steve Johnson
sculpted it.

1124
00:47:37,428 --> 00:47:39,563
- The thing that was amazing
about getting the opportunity

1125
00:47:39,631 --> 00:47:40,832
to work at Boss Film

1126
00:47:40,899 --> 00:47:44,335
was that for the first time
there was a whole other

1127
00:47:44,401 --> 00:47:47,505
tool chest--optical effects.

1128
00:47:47,571 --> 00:47:50,140
You could do so many things
that were never, ever possible

1129
00:47:50,207 --> 00:47:52,243
on some of the films
I worked with people

1130
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:53,845
<i>like Rick Baker</i>
<i>and Rob Butina.</i>

1131
00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:56,715
- The visual effects work
was done in 65 millimeter

1132
00:47:56,781 --> 00:48:00,785
where Laszlo was shooting
35 millimeter camera

1133
00:48:00,852 --> 00:48:03,822
<i>and then that image would be</i>
<i>composited and then reduced</i>

1134
00:48:03,889 --> 00:48:06,825
<i>down to 35 in</i>
<i>an optical printer.</i>

1135
00:48:06,892 --> 00:48:10,327
<i>Each time you go a generation,</i>
<i>the quality drops,</i>

1136
00:48:10,394 --> 00:48:13,665
and so when you do make
these dupes and copies,

1137
00:48:13,732 --> 00:48:17,702
the quality comes out to be
about as though

1138
00:48:17,769 --> 00:48:19,470
it was original at the time.

1139
00:48:19,537 --> 00:48:21,372
<i>- John Bruno is a really</i>
<i>good friend of mine,</i>

1140
00:48:21,438 --> 00:48:23,808
and John always wanted to push
for more and more and more

1141
00:48:23,875 --> 00:48:25,376
and more and it drove me nuts.

1142
00:48:25,442 --> 00:48:26,711
<i>Whoopie!</i>

1143
00:48:26,778 --> 00:48:29,079
It drove me out of my mind,
I'm like, really?

1144
00:48:29,146 --> 00:48:31,582
<i>Seven sculptures? Seven full</i>
<i>scale</i>

1145
00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:33,652
<i>before you're gonna</i>
<i>say this is enough?</i>

1146
00:48:33,718 --> 00:48:35,754
<i>Now there's seven.</i>
<i>- Don't we have to actually</i>

1147
00:48:35,820 --> 00:48:37,054
<i>make the creature?</i>

1148
00:48:37,121 --> 00:48:39,590
At some point we've got to
actually make it.

1149
00:48:39,658 --> 00:48:41,425
- Well, he looked
like a potato.

1150
00:48:41,492 --> 00:48:43,093
- <i>He's an ugly</i>
<i>little spud, isn't he?</i>

1151
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:44,696
- I think he can hear you, Ray.

1152
00:48:44,763 --> 00:48:47,064
- But what John was pushing for
on the Slimer character

1153
00:48:47,131 --> 00:48:49,533
<i>because he knew it was going</i>
<i>to be double exposed,</i>

1154
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,736
<i>a lot of the detail's</i>
<i>going to go away because</i>

1155
00:48:51,803 --> 00:48:53,470
<i>it's double exposed</i>
<i>in the film.</i>

1156
00:48:53,537 --> 00:48:55,974
He was gonna art direct that,
he was gonna control that,

1157
00:48:56,041 --> 00:48:59,044
<i>so the first few sculptures</i>
<i>of Slimer were subtle,</i>

1158
00:48:59,109 --> 00:49:01,278
<i>they were much more realistic,</i>

1159
00:49:01,345 --> 00:49:04,716
and John just kept
coming over, he said,

1160
00:49:04,783 --> 00:49:06,751
<i>"How can you make it</i>
<i>more insane?</i>

1161
00:49:06,818 --> 00:49:08,787
<i>"How can you make people</i>
<i>look at this</i>

1162
00:49:08,853 --> 00:49:12,122
<i>and have their eyeballs</i>
<i>pop out of their heads?"</i>

1163
00:49:12,189 --> 00:49:14,525
<i>And I loved working with John,</i>

1164
00:49:14,592 --> 00:49:16,594
but he was
a tough taskmaster.

1165
00:49:16,661 --> 00:49:20,865
- Sort of a lime
fluorescent green.

1166
00:49:20,932 --> 00:49:23,467
<i>It was kind of a color we came</i>
<i>up with so we could see</i>

1167
00:49:23,534 --> 00:49:27,005
in this art directed room.

1168
00:49:27,072 --> 00:49:29,641
<i>- I, to this day, credit</i>
<i>Richard Edlund coming up with</i>

1169
00:49:29,708 --> 00:49:32,811
<i>the technique to actually pull</i>
<i>that off, to get an amorphous</i>

1170
00:49:32,877 --> 00:49:35,947
blob that's incredibly
cartoony and animate it,

1171
00:49:36,014 --> 00:49:37,983
<i>to fly it around and do</i>
<i>all of these things.</i>

1172
00:49:38,049 --> 00:49:42,020
I, you know, being this crazy
artiste wanted to do it

1173
00:49:42,087 --> 00:49:44,488
an almost impossible way.

1174
00:49:44,555 --> 00:49:46,624
<i>I originally wanted to do it</i>
<i>with these really long,</i>

1175
00:49:46,691 --> 00:49:49,060
<i>skinny arms that were</i>
<i>mechanical, it wouldn't have</i>

1176
00:49:49,126 --> 00:49:50,461
<i>any performer inside it,</i>

1177
00:49:50,527 --> 00:49:52,864
<i>so it would not at all</i>
<i>look like a human.</i>

1178
00:49:55,700 --> 00:49:57,534
Richard just looked at me
and goes,

1179
00:49:57,601 --> 00:49:59,136
"You're out of your... mind.

1180
00:49:59,203 --> 00:50:01,640
<i>"Stick a guy in a suit</i>
<i>and let his legs come out?</i>

1181
00:50:01,706 --> 00:50:03,775
<i>We'll film him</i>
<i>and use his real arms."</i>

1182
00:50:03,842 --> 00:50:05,810
<i>Now, the thing that was really</i>
<i>interesting about that</i>

1183
00:50:05,877 --> 00:50:07,879
was I thought,
okay, if Richard said

1184
00:50:07,946 --> 00:50:11,916
that we can remove
his legs optically,

1185
00:50:11,983 --> 00:50:14,385
that means...

1186
00:50:14,451 --> 00:50:17,221
I can make other things black
and stick them all

1187
00:50:17,287 --> 00:50:20,591
around the character and he'll
just have to remove them too.

1188
00:50:20,659 --> 00:50:22,493
<i>But I sat there</i>
<i>and I thought to myself,</i>

1189
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,194
<i>I knew what the movie</i>
<i>was about,</i>

1190
00:50:24,261 --> 00:50:27,297
<i>I mean, it's about insanity,</i>
<i>it's about cartoon characters,</i>

1191
00:50:27,364 --> 00:50:28,967
it's about Tex Avery,
and so I thought,

1192
00:50:29,034 --> 00:50:32,403
well, you tie a string
to a piece of rubber

1193
00:50:32,469 --> 00:50:34,571
and you pull it with a cable,
it's 12-feet long,

1194
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:36,775
you're just gonna get that.

1195
00:50:36,841 --> 00:50:39,844
And I thought to myself,
a cartoon character,

1196
00:50:39,911 --> 00:50:42,579
when they smile, no,
no, no, no, no,

1197
00:50:42,647 --> 00:50:44,381
their faces actually deform

1198
00:50:44,448 --> 00:50:46,183
<i>and inflate</i>
<i>and their heads flatten</i>

1199
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:48,019
<i>and all these insane things</i>
<i>happen, and so I thought,</i>

1200
00:50:48,086 --> 00:50:50,521
<i>we're gonna put him</i>
<i>in front of a black stage.</i>

1201
00:50:50,587 --> 00:50:53,190
If we can remove his legs, we
can remove as many puppeteers

1202
00:50:53,257 --> 00:50:54,859
as we can get around him.

1203
00:50:54,926 --> 00:50:57,662
<i>The way Slimer worked is there</i>
<i>is a performer, a guy named</i>

1204
00:50:57,729 --> 00:50:59,831
<i>Mark Wilson who was actually</i>
<i>in charge of doing</i>

1205
00:50:59,898 --> 00:51:01,498
<i>the mechanical aspects</i>
<i>of pulling it all together.</i>

1206
00:51:01,565 --> 00:51:05,136
- <i>Do that slime stuff, Mark.</i>
<i>[laughing]</i>

1207
00:51:05,202 --> 00:51:08,305
<i>- They did a life cast on me</i>
<i>to sculpt the arms over</i>

1208
00:51:08,372 --> 00:51:12,077
<i>and to position and figure out</i>
<i>the proportions of the head</i>

1209
00:51:12,143 --> 00:51:14,311
and where my head would fit
inside the costume.

1210
00:51:14,378 --> 00:51:15,379
- He looks through the mouth,

1211
00:51:15,446 --> 00:51:16,881
there's mechanical eyes
up here.

1212
00:51:16,948 --> 00:51:18,917
<i>His arms come through</i>
<i>the stomach of the thing,</i>

1213
00:51:18,983 --> 00:51:20,185
<i>wearing rubber gloves,</i>

1214
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:22,020
<i>and then his legs</i>
<i>just stuck out of the butt.</i>

1215
00:51:22,087 --> 00:51:24,656
- So it's almost like
a Japanese Go theater

1216
00:51:24,723 --> 00:51:26,658
<i>where everyone's in black</i>
<i>and this is</i>

1217
00:51:26,725 --> 00:51:28,660
<i>shot against</i>
<i>the black background</i>

1218
00:51:28,727 --> 00:51:32,831
so you could only then see
the green Slimer rubber.

1219
00:51:32,897 --> 00:51:35,299
<i>- And I wore a black duvetyene</i>
<i>skirt for about month</i>

1220
00:51:35,365 --> 00:51:37,468
which I have grown beyond.

1221
00:51:37,534 --> 00:51:38,937
<i>- So what we ended up</i>
<i>doing is</i>

1222
00:51:39,003 --> 00:51:41,005
<i>I designed</i>
<i>all of these wrinkles</i>

1223
00:51:41,072 --> 00:51:44,042
<i>concentric and going back,</i>
<i>you know, and his huge smile,</i>

1224
00:51:44,109 --> 00:51:47,511
<i>and then a performer in</i>
<i>a black suit could go behind</i>

1225
00:51:47,578 --> 00:51:49,013
<i>the character</i>
<i>while we're filming,</i>

1226
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,751
and reach his arms into handles
on his cheeks and go...

1227
00:51:52,817 --> 00:51:54,451
[roaring]

1228
00:51:54,518 --> 00:51:56,721
And you'd just get
all these free muscle.

1229
00:51:56,788 --> 00:51:58,422
- <i>Okay, Mark,</i>
<i>just more--</i>

1230
00:51:58,489 --> 00:52:00,725
<i>cartoon animated</i>
<i>kind of quick, jerky.</i>

1231
00:52:00,792 --> 00:52:02,292
<i>It looked really good</i>
<i>like that.</i>

1232
00:52:02,359 --> 00:52:03,527
<i>- I had a strap under my chin</i>

1233
00:52:03,594 --> 00:52:05,096
<i>which went into</i>
<i>a fiberglass helmet.</i>

1234
00:52:05,163 --> 00:52:06,798
So by moving my head,

1235
00:52:06,865 --> 00:52:10,501
then I could make the Slimer's
head change direction.

1236
00:52:10,567 --> 00:52:12,402
<i>- In order to keep it</i>
<i>from just drooping</i>

1237
00:52:12,469 --> 00:52:14,505
<i>on the performer's body,</i>

1238
00:52:14,571 --> 00:52:17,942
we'd put a series of
concentric spring steel bands.

1239
00:52:18,009 --> 00:52:20,444
<i>What that also did was</i>
<i>an amazing bonus</i>

1240
00:52:20,511 --> 00:52:21,880
<i>that we didn't</i>
<i>necessarily expect--</i>

1241
00:52:21,946 --> 00:52:24,716
he would make his body
just jiggle around

1242
00:52:24,783 --> 00:52:27,451
<i>like a cartoon character</i>
<i>might do.</i>

1243
00:52:27,518 --> 00:52:29,586
- <i>[laughing]</i>

1244
00:52:31,923 --> 00:52:35,093
- And it also didn't kill Mark,
so that was good.

1245
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,828
- <i>[roaring]</i>

1246
00:52:36,895 --> 00:52:38,595
<i>- ...just bring your hands</i>
<i>forward, don't flail them.</i>

1247
00:52:38,663 --> 00:52:41,065
- All Slimer was shot at the
Boss Films shooting stage,

1248
00:52:41,132 --> 00:52:43,034
<i>which was, I think,</i>
<i>just one door over</i>

1249
00:52:43,101 --> 00:52:45,170
<i>from where we were</i>
<i>building the costumes.</i>

1250
00:52:45,236 --> 00:52:48,438
- This was pre-radio controlled
server motors,

1251
00:52:48,505 --> 00:52:49,941
<i>these were</i>
<i>all cable controlled.</i>

1252
00:52:50,008 --> 00:52:53,178
<i>- There'd be cables</i>
<i>coming up under the costume</i>

1253
00:52:53,244 --> 00:52:56,748
and those cables go to about
a half a dozen puppeteers

1254
00:52:56,815 --> 00:53:00,551
who have levers that connected
the cables, and they're

1255
00:53:00,617 --> 00:53:04,189
pulling on those levers to make
the various things work.

1256
00:53:04,255 --> 00:53:06,291
<i>Well, these people</i>
<i>have to work in unison,</i>

1257
00:53:06,356 --> 00:53:07,792
<i>it's almost like a band.</i>

1258
00:53:07,859 --> 00:53:10,195
- It wasn't until we actually
got on the stage

1259
00:53:10,261 --> 00:53:14,331
and started shooting him that
we realized how funny it was.

1260
00:53:14,398 --> 00:53:17,135
- <i>Shake your butt, turn around</i>
<i>and shake your butt.</i>

1261
00:53:17,202 --> 00:53:18,870
<i>Turn all the way around</i>

1262
00:53:18,937 --> 00:53:20,805
<i>like you're digging</i>
<i>in the room service cart.</i>

1263
00:53:20,872 --> 00:53:24,175
- Slimer was intended to be
the spirit of John Belushi,

1264
00:53:24,242 --> 00:53:25,844
<i>kind of to complete the team.</i>

1265
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:27,712
<i>John Belushi had died</i>
<i>by that time.</i>

1266
00:53:27,779 --> 00:53:30,081
- Definitely that's John,
no doubt.

1267
00:53:30,148 --> 00:53:32,016
- The guys said, "Do you want
him to look like John Belushi?"

1268
00:53:32,083 --> 00:53:33,218
No, no, no.

1269
00:53:33,284 --> 00:53:36,154
- I was writing a scene
up in the hotel scene,

1270
00:53:36,221 --> 00:53:38,622
what became the hotel scene,
it originally was a guest house

1271
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:41,226
in Greenville, New York,
like a bed and breakfast

1272
00:53:41,292 --> 00:53:43,427
with this couple
that was terrorized

1273
00:53:43,493 --> 00:53:46,563
and we had to go up there,
upstate, you know,

1274
00:53:46,631 --> 00:53:50,400
and I was writing John's line
when I heard he died.

1275
00:53:50,467 --> 00:53:52,270
- We watched
John Belushi movies

1276
00:53:52,337 --> 00:53:54,005
and we watched "Animal House"

1277
00:53:54,072 --> 00:53:55,539
on video, in particular,

1278
00:53:55,606 --> 00:53:57,842
<i>and watched all of</i>
<i>his facial expressions,</i>

1279
00:53:57,909 --> 00:53:59,978
and they're actually
in the performance,

1280
00:54:00,044 --> 00:54:01,946
and there are things, you know,
that Belushi would do

1281
00:54:02,013 --> 00:54:05,049
with his eyebrows in the early
scene, things like that,

1282
00:54:05,116 --> 00:54:08,552
and I loved that, so I managed
to get the eyebrow expression

1283
00:54:08,619 --> 00:54:10,454
as the puppeteer.

1284
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,825
<i>[crew laughing]</i>

1285
00:54:13,892 --> 00:54:16,761
<i>- Some tricks on Slimer</i>
<i>is he rarely moved.</i>

1286
00:54:16,828 --> 00:54:19,864
<i>He is on a big cart</i>
<i>and along with him on the cart</i>

1287
00:54:19,931 --> 00:54:22,634
<i>are the various other</i>
<i>puppeteers.</i>

1288
00:54:22,700 --> 00:54:24,869
<i>- Even though I might</i>
<i>be moving and gyrating,</i>

1289
00:54:24,936 --> 00:54:26,971
the option was either
to move all the puppeteers

1290
00:54:27,038 --> 00:54:29,173
and the puppet
or to move the camera.

1291
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:31,408
<i>It was obvious that moving</i>
<i>a camera on a dolly track</i>

1292
00:54:31,475 --> 00:54:32,576
<i>became much simpler.</i>

1293
00:54:32,644 --> 00:54:33,978
- <i>And higher!</i>

1294
00:54:34,045 --> 00:54:35,680
<i>- Because Richard</i>
<i>basically pioneered</i>

1295
00:54:35,747 --> 00:54:37,815
<i>the motion control thing,</i>

1296
00:54:37,882 --> 00:54:39,350
the way you get
a spaceship to move,

1297
00:54:39,416 --> 00:54:41,485
<i>you don't move the spaceship,</i>
<i>you move the camera.</i>

1298
00:54:41,551 --> 00:54:42,987
- <i>Hands out more, Mark.</i>

1299
00:54:43,054 --> 00:54:46,224
<i>More wide--good mouth,</i>
<i>great mouth.</i>

1300
00:54:46,291 --> 00:54:47,692
<i>Cut! Whoa!</i>

1301
00:54:47,759 --> 00:54:51,561
- I do remember that
on the stage

1302
00:54:51,629 --> 00:54:56,566
Ivan actually voiced
that creature.

1303
00:54:56,634 --> 00:54:58,269
- <i>That's going to be</i>
<i>[indistinct].</i>

1304
00:54:58,336 --> 00:55:01,272
- I was shoved in right behind
the puppet with my arm

1305
00:55:01,339 --> 00:55:04,008
<i>through the back of his head</i>
<i>into the tongue.</i>

1306
00:55:04,075 --> 00:55:06,576
<i>Mark, totally blind, because</i>
<i>he's hidden inside the suit.</i>

1307
00:55:06,644 --> 00:55:08,179
<i>He had to pick up this plate,</i>

1308
00:55:08,246 --> 00:55:11,215
<i>dump it into the creature's</i>
<i>mouth over the tongue</i>

1309
00:55:11,282 --> 00:55:12,884
while I do these tongue things,

1310
00:55:12,951 --> 00:55:16,955
<i>and all of this food is going</i>
<i>down, dropping onto the back</i>

1311
00:55:17,021 --> 00:55:21,960
of Mark's neck, all this slimy,
chilly, jelly food.

1312
00:55:22,026 --> 00:55:24,128
<i>And we get the shot,</i>
<i>we're all cracking up</i>

1313
00:55:24,195 --> 00:55:26,297
and we hear from inside
the puppet...

1314
00:55:26,364 --> 00:55:27,932
[muffled]
"Get me out of here!"

1315
00:55:27,999 --> 00:55:30,335
- Since it was
such a frantic project,

1316
00:55:30,401 --> 00:55:32,036
we were cutting corners

1317
00:55:32,103 --> 00:55:34,839
and doing things as fast
as we possibly could,

1318
00:55:34,906 --> 00:55:37,742
and one of the shots that
we needed was for the ghost

1319
00:55:37,809 --> 00:55:39,677
<i>to fly around the chandelier.</i>

1320
00:55:39,744 --> 00:55:42,579
- I did sculpt a miniature
Slimer, like this big.

1321
00:55:42,647 --> 00:55:44,115
<i>- And so instead of using</i>
<i>the big one,</i>

1322
00:55:44,182 --> 00:55:46,117
<i>Gary shot a couple</i>
<i>of scenes with it,</i>

1323
00:55:46,184 --> 00:55:49,120
<i>they cut the film together</i>
<i>and they wanted another shot,</i>

1324
00:55:49,187 --> 00:55:51,621
and all of a sudden we couldn't
find the little guy.

1325
00:55:51,689 --> 00:55:53,358
- We were all sitting
in the room, talking,

1326
00:55:53,424 --> 00:55:55,159
what could we do,
what could we do?

1327
00:55:55,226 --> 00:55:57,929
- We're sitting there, looking,
and there's a bag of peanuts

1328
00:55:57,996 --> 00:55:59,998
and we're sitting there,
munching on one.

1329
00:56:00,064 --> 00:56:02,433
Gary picks up a peanut
and looks at it,

1330
00:56:02,499 --> 00:56:04,836
and the next thing I know,
we're spray-painting it green

1331
00:56:04,902 --> 00:56:08,740
and he's shooting a peanut
going around, and I'm like,

1332
00:56:08,806 --> 00:56:12,210
this is... this is either
gonna work or we're gonna lose

1333
00:56:12,276 --> 00:56:14,379
our jobs when we try to
pass this off.

1334
00:56:14,445 --> 00:56:16,814
<i>We shot it, we didn't say</i>
<i>anything, we went to dailies,</i>

1335
00:56:16,881 --> 00:56:21,352
cut it into movie, Ivan looked
at it and it was great.

1336
00:56:21,419 --> 00:56:23,454
- I went through the garbage
when they were throwing

1337
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,324
<i>stuff out and I have that</i>
<i>peanut, that green peanut.</i>

1338
00:56:26,391 --> 00:56:28,525
- Slimer, by the way,
got the name Slimer

1339
00:56:28,592 --> 00:56:30,661
<i>when he says,</i>
<i>"It slimed me."</i>

1340
00:56:30,728 --> 00:56:32,397
<i>That kind of stuck.</i>

1341
00:56:32,463 --> 00:56:35,099
<i>It was the Onionhead</i>
<i>until that moment.</i>

1342
00:56:37,235 --> 00:56:41,272
- The original script,
it was a much bigger role,

1343
00:56:41,339 --> 00:56:44,108
the character came at the very
beginning of the movie,

1344
00:56:44,175 --> 00:56:47,011
he was really
a part of the team.

1345
00:56:47,078 --> 00:56:48,946
<i>He had just gotten</i>
<i>out of the Air Force,</i>

1346
00:56:49,013 --> 00:56:51,282
<i>he was a demolitions expert,</i>
<i>a Major at the Air Force.</i>

1347
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:53,785
<i>So he had all of</i>
<i>this background history</i>

1348
00:56:53,851 --> 00:56:55,585
which was really kind
of cool and I was really

1349
00:56:55,653 --> 00:56:57,587
looking forward
to playing that.

1350
00:56:57,655 --> 00:57:02,226
- What happened was we wanted
to bring in a new Ghostbuster

1351
00:57:02,293 --> 00:57:04,162
midway through the film.

1352
00:57:04,228 --> 00:57:08,666
- We wanted a character
that was not experienced,

1353
00:57:08,733 --> 00:57:11,601
who was naturally going to come
into the story a little later

1354
00:57:11,669 --> 00:57:14,639
<i>and would function</i>
<i>for the audience</i>

1355
00:57:14,705 --> 00:57:15,907
<i>to answer the questions</i>

1356
00:57:15,973 --> 00:57:17,775
<i>of what was going on</i>
<i>in New York.</i>

1357
00:57:17,842 --> 00:57:21,012
- To revive the audience's
incredulity, you know,

1358
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:22,680
someone who represented
the audience,

1359
00:57:22,747 --> 00:57:24,382
couldn't believe
all this was going on.

1360
00:57:24,449 --> 00:57:27,452
<i>And we wanted him to</i>
<i>be actually more physical,</i>

1361
00:57:27,518 --> 00:57:30,888
<i>more competent than we were,</i>
<i>like in a military way.</i>

1362
00:57:30,955 --> 00:57:32,323
<i>So we created a character</i>

1363
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:34,225
<i>who had all kinds of</i>
<i>military training.</i>

1364
00:57:34,292 --> 00:57:36,593
And then we thought, let's make
him African American,

1365
00:57:36,661 --> 00:57:39,764
it just seemed like, you know,
it just--I don't know why--

1366
00:57:39,831 --> 00:57:42,567
our social conscience,
in a way.

1367
00:57:42,633 --> 00:57:44,368
<i>It just seemed right.</i>

1368
00:57:44,435 --> 00:57:46,603
<i>If the movie was going to be</i>
<i>widely seen we thought,</i>

1369
00:57:46,671 --> 00:57:49,707
<i>you know, this represents</i>
<i>a kind of inclusiveness</i>

1370
00:57:49,774 --> 00:57:51,676
<i>that we wanted to express.</i>

1371
00:57:51,742 --> 00:57:55,513
<i>♪ ♪</i>

1372
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:59,616
You know, when you can make
statements, why not?

1373
00:57:59,684 --> 00:58:01,285
- I first heard about
"Ghostbusters"

1374
00:58:01,352 --> 00:58:04,122
on an elevator
at Cedar Sinai Hospital

1375
00:58:04,188 --> 00:58:06,691
<i>in Los Angeles and I had went</i>
<i>to visit a friend</i>

1376
00:58:06,757 --> 00:58:08,893
<i>and I got on the elevator</i>

1377
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:10,995
<i>and Ivan Reitman was on</i>
<i>the elevator,</i>

1378
00:58:11,062 --> 00:58:14,832
and we had, like, 12 floors
to sort of travel together

1379
00:58:14,899 --> 00:58:18,102
in that silence after "hello"
and so he says,

1380
00:58:18,169 --> 00:58:22,473
"I'm doing this, um,
this movie 'Ghostbusters'."

1381
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:23,875
- I said, oh, great,
you know?

1382
00:58:23,941 --> 00:58:25,510
Then he said, "But there's
nothing in it for you."

1383
00:58:25,576 --> 00:58:28,513
<i>And then later on I found out</i>
<i>there was a part</i>

1384
00:58:28,579 --> 00:58:31,883
<i>that they were casting</i>
<i>a Black actor in,</i>

1385
00:58:31,949 --> 00:58:34,886
but I think he thought I was
all wrong

1386
00:58:34,952 --> 00:58:37,355
for the part because I'd done
a movie the year before

1387
00:58:37,421 --> 00:58:38,923
called "Spacehunter,"

1388
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:41,159
<i>but that character was</i>
<i>sort of bigger than life.</i>

1389
00:58:41,225 --> 00:58:43,861
<i>My head was shaved,</i>
<i>the voice was kind of</i>

1390
00:58:43,928 --> 00:58:46,964
<i>very demanding</i>
<i>and commanding, you know,</i>

1391
00:58:47,031 --> 00:58:48,733
it was a very different
character and I think

1392
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:51,002
he sort of saw me that way.

1393
00:58:51,068 --> 00:58:53,337
<i>- He had come in earlier</i>
<i>and just auditioned</i>

1394
00:58:53,404 --> 00:58:56,207
<i>and there was this sweetness</i>
<i>to him that I just loved</i>

1395
00:58:56,274 --> 00:58:57,542
and I just cast him.

1396
00:58:57,608 --> 00:58:58,743
- He seemed like
the perfect guy

1397
00:58:58,809 --> 00:59:00,344
and physical and fit,

1398
00:59:00,411 --> 00:59:02,380
which none of us really
were supposed to be.

1399
00:59:02,446 --> 00:59:06,384
- It wasn't until we got ready
to shoot the movie

1400
00:59:06,450 --> 00:59:10,288
that had been rewritten,

1401
00:59:10,354 --> 00:59:12,990
and it totally changed.

1402
00:59:13,057 --> 00:59:16,027
- We wrote, like,
the best lines for him.

1403
00:59:16,093 --> 00:59:18,296
<i>He was turned on, he was like</i>
<i>the best written part</i>

1404
00:59:18,362 --> 00:59:21,132
<i>in the movie, had so many</i>
<i>funny things to say.</i>

1405
00:59:21,199 --> 00:59:23,968
<i>And when we turned</i>
<i>in the draft,</i>

1406
00:59:24,035 --> 00:59:25,970
Ivan Reitman, he said,
"You can't give all these lines

1407
00:59:26,037 --> 00:59:28,239
"to the fourth guy, you know,

1408
00:59:28,306 --> 00:59:29,941
"you gotta give these
to Murray, you know,

1409
00:59:30,007 --> 00:59:32,644
distribute these lines among
yourselves, you know?"

1410
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:35,213
And a lot of it went to Bill's
character, I have to say.

1411
00:59:35,279 --> 00:59:38,216
- And somebody dropped
the script off at the room

1412
00:59:38,282 --> 00:59:40,652
<i>I was staying in at the</i>
<i>Mayflower Hotel in New York</i>

1413
00:59:40,718 --> 00:59:44,488
and it was actually the night
before we started shooting.

1414
00:59:44,555 --> 00:59:47,425
<i>You know, the character</i>
<i>originally comes in page six</i>

1415
00:59:47,491 --> 00:59:49,393
<i>and now he's on page 68,</i>

1416
00:59:49,460 --> 00:59:52,797
which is really hard to--for me
to sort of come to grips with,

1417
00:59:52,863 --> 00:59:54,832
I mean,
I wrestled with that a lot,

1418
00:59:54,899 --> 00:59:56,834
<i>and I was shocked</i>
<i>because we had rehearsed</i>

1419
00:59:56,901 --> 00:59:59,370
<i>for about three weeks.</i>

1420
00:59:59,437 --> 01:00:01,739
<i>And the next morning</i>
<i>I went to the set</i>

1421
01:00:01,806 --> 01:00:04,242
and talked to Ivan about it.

1422
01:00:04,308 --> 01:00:06,544
<i>The PAs on the set</i>
<i>didn't recognize me,</i>

1423
01:00:06,611 --> 01:00:09,747
<i>so they didn't know that I was</i>
<i>in the movie and I was sort of</i>

1424
01:00:09,814 --> 01:00:13,551
in a hurry to get to talk
to Ivan, and so--

1425
01:00:13,618 --> 01:00:16,420
but they wouldn't let me on the
set because they wanted to know

1426
01:00:16,487 --> 01:00:18,489
if I was working on the movie,
so it started off

1427
01:00:18,556 --> 01:00:21,325
being a little frustrating.
[laughing]

1428
01:00:21,392 --> 01:00:25,731
And...
but it all worked out.

1429
01:00:25,796 --> 01:00:27,832
The first week was difficult.

1430
01:00:27,898 --> 01:00:32,169
- Yeah, there was a lot of sort
of kind of silly, cynical talk

1431
01:00:32,236 --> 01:00:35,940
about, um, why he was
in the movie,

1432
01:00:36,007 --> 01:00:38,376
but he was in the movie
because he was really good

1433
01:00:38,442 --> 01:00:41,812
<i>and he functioned perfectly</i>
<i>for the story needs.</i>

1434
01:00:41,879 --> 01:00:43,814
- Harold Ramis was
my sort of saving grace.

1435
01:00:43,881 --> 01:00:46,350
<i>Harold, throughout the filming</i>
<i>of "Ghostbusters,"</i>

1436
01:00:46,417 --> 01:00:49,854
whenever there was things that
I had difficulty understanding,

1437
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,123
and there were times,

1438
01:00:52,189 --> 01:00:55,293
Harold was always the guy
I'd sort of go to and go,

1439
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:59,964
man, what is--and he'd go,
"Ernie... it's okay."

1440
01:01:00,031 --> 01:01:03,669
<i>And I think I learned a lot</i>
<i>from Harold, in the many years</i>

1441
01:01:03,735 --> 01:01:07,838
since I learned how to just
sort of go with the flow

1442
01:01:07,905 --> 01:01:12,276
and things may not turn out
the way you think they will,

1443
01:01:12,343 --> 01:01:13,944
but sometimes you just have
to ride it out

1444
01:01:14,011 --> 01:01:15,513
because things will be fine.

1445
01:01:15,579 --> 01:01:18,115
- Welcome aboard.

1446
01:01:21,419 --> 01:01:22,788
[crowd cheering]
- How are ya?

1447
01:01:22,853 --> 01:01:24,355
We're the Ghostbusters!
- Ghostbusters! Ghostbusters!

1448
01:01:24,422 --> 01:01:26,290
- We didn't have a music
supervisor in those days.

1449
01:01:26,357 --> 01:01:28,326
Gary LeMel, who was head
of music at Columbia

1450
01:01:28,392 --> 01:01:30,561
at that point, did a lot
of this with us.

1451
01:01:30,628 --> 01:01:33,397
<i>So we needed a theme song</i>
<i>and we tried a couple</i>

1452
01:01:33,464 --> 01:01:35,634
<i>that didn't quite work, there</i>
<i>was one we even had, it was</i>

1453
01:01:35,701 --> 01:01:37,835
a teaser-trailer that came out
around Christmas.

1454
01:01:37,902 --> 01:01:41,740
- <i>Ghostbusters--Coming to save</i>
<i>the world this summer.</i>

1455
01:01:41,807 --> 01:01:43,407
<i>[theme song]</i>

1456
01:01:43,474 --> 01:01:46,444
all:
<i>We're ready to believe you.</i>

1457
01:01:46,510 --> 01:01:49,080
- And Gary LeMel said, "I'm
going to bring in this guy,

1458
01:01:49,146 --> 01:01:51,849
Ray Parker,
and show him the movie."

1459
01:01:51,916 --> 01:01:54,051
<i>- Part of it came about</i>
<i>because I was dating this girl</i>

1460
01:01:54,118 --> 01:01:56,854
that worked for Gary LeMel...
[laughing]

1461
01:01:56,921 --> 01:01:59,791
and I knew Gary LeMel from the
Barry White days because I did

1462
01:01:59,857 --> 01:02:01,592
<i>all the Barry White records--</i>
<i>I played guitar on them--</i>

1463
01:02:01,660 --> 01:02:03,227
<i>and then I got a call</i>
<i>from Gary</i>

1464
01:02:03,294 --> 01:02:05,797
because there was just gonna
be one segment in the film

1465
01:02:05,863 --> 01:02:07,331
at the library scene,
I think it was

1466
01:02:07,398 --> 01:02:12,403
20, 20 seconds long, and they
just needed like a theme song,

1467
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:15,640
opening number with the words
"Ghostbusters" in it.

1468
01:02:15,707 --> 01:02:18,509
<i>Now, it's unfair now because</i>
<i>you've heard the song,</i>

1469
01:02:18,576 --> 01:02:20,779
<i>but if you could imagine</i>
<i>writing a song...</i>

1470
01:02:20,846 --> 01:02:23,013
<i>[singing]</i>
<i>♪ Ghostbusters, we wanna--♪</i>

1471
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,982
<i>...it just really</i>
<i>doesn't sing well,</i>

1472
01:02:25,049 --> 01:02:26,785
<i>it's a horrible,</i>
<i>horrible word to sing to.</i>

1473
01:02:26,852 --> 01:02:29,688
I think I recorded maybe
a minute and 15 or 20 seconds

1474
01:02:29,755 --> 01:02:33,792
of it and it took me 2 1/2,
three days, which is all I had,

1475
01:02:33,859 --> 01:02:36,695
and it was one of those things
where you get your money

1476
01:02:36,762 --> 01:02:39,597
if we get some music
in two or three days,

1477
01:02:39,664 --> 01:02:41,532
otherwise, the deal's off.

1478
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:45,403
And so I was completely worn
out tired and I turned it in.

1479
01:02:45,469 --> 01:02:48,339
- And I remember we were
adding the music at the time,

1480
01:02:48,406 --> 01:02:50,040
we put this song on
and we went nuts, we said,

1481
01:02:50,107 --> 01:02:52,476
that's it, this is perfect.

1482
01:02:54,646 --> 01:02:56,480
<i>- I remember</i>
<i>the hardest part for me</i>

1483
01:02:56,547 --> 01:02:58,349
<i>was putting the words</i>
<i>in the song,</i>

1484
01:02:58,416 --> 01:03:00,819
<i>and I remember the part of</i>
<i>the "Ghostbusters" movie</i>

1485
01:03:00,886 --> 01:03:03,755
<i>where they had a solicitation</i>
<i>with a phone number.</i>

1486
01:03:03,822 --> 01:03:05,523
all:
<i>Ghostbusters.</i>

1487
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:07,925
- And the night before
I turned in the song,

1488
01:03:07,992 --> 01:03:12,764
I was half asleep and on the TV
comes this insect commercial,

1489
01:03:12,831 --> 01:03:16,200
like these... exterminator
guys who were gonna

1490
01:03:16,267 --> 01:03:19,003
get rid of insects for you.

1491
01:03:19,069 --> 01:03:21,172
And if you just
close your eyes like this

1492
01:03:21,238 --> 01:03:23,742
and you're real sleepy,
the insect guys looked to me

1493
01:03:23,809 --> 01:03:25,443
like the Ghostbusters guys.

1494
01:03:25,509 --> 01:03:27,779
<i>And they had the phone number</i>
<i>on the bottom, but I was like,</i>

1495
01:03:27,846 --> 01:03:31,148
whoa, that's it,
it's a commercial, you just go,

1496
01:03:31,215 --> 01:03:32,483
"Who you gonna call?"

1497
01:03:32,550 --> 01:03:34,518
And the people scream,
"Ghostbusters."

1498
01:03:34,585 --> 01:03:35,887
- Ghostbusters.

1499
01:03:35,953 --> 01:03:39,590
- Dan drove the Ectomobile,
we followed in a follow truck.

1500
01:03:39,658 --> 01:03:41,726
<i>We didn't have any permits,</i>
<i>we put the guys in and we just</i>

1501
01:03:41,793 --> 01:03:44,161
said, we're going all over
the city and doing schtick.

1502
01:03:44,228 --> 01:03:45,864
[siren wailing]

1503
01:03:45,931 --> 01:03:48,399
- We had all of this material
that was shot in New York City

1504
01:03:48,466 --> 01:03:50,401
and around, and we had
to figure

1505
01:03:50,468 --> 01:03:52,970
a way of making it a montage.

1506
01:03:53,037 --> 01:03:54,472
- They'd just jump into the car

1507
01:03:54,538 --> 01:03:56,207
and they'd go to
Rockefeller Center.

1508
01:03:56,273 --> 01:04:00,110
- I came up with this idea
of using these newspapers

1509
01:04:00,177 --> 01:04:03,314
and magazine as ways
of transitioning from

1510
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:06,651
one live action shot
to the next live action.

1511
01:04:06,718 --> 01:04:09,754
It's a part of the creative
process of putting together

1512
01:04:09,821 --> 01:04:13,390
a montage and you try to make
it as difficult as possible.

1513
01:04:13,457 --> 01:04:15,626
- The guy walks by and stares
at him, and that's me.

1514
01:04:15,694 --> 01:04:18,562
<i>- Driving around that city</i>
<i>in those ridiculous outfits</i>

1515
01:04:18,630 --> 01:04:21,365
with the logos everywhere,
and in that ambulance.

1516
01:04:21,432 --> 01:04:22,767
- And we only had one
Ectomobile.

1517
01:04:22,834 --> 01:04:24,101
<i>And just having one of them--</i>

1518
01:04:24,168 --> 01:04:26,403
<i>and it was an old car,</i>
<i>it was insane.</i>

1519
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:29,741
- Ours was not
the best running car.

1520
01:04:29,808 --> 01:04:31,242
<i>- It didn't even dawn on me,</i>

1521
01:04:31,308 --> 01:04:33,210
you know, you gotta have
two of everything, you know?

1522
01:04:33,277 --> 01:04:35,312
<i>And we left our AD</i>
<i>Peter Giuliano,</i>

1523
01:04:35,379 --> 01:04:37,716
<i>and he did the helicopter</i>
<i>shot on the Ectomobile.</i>

1524
01:04:37,782 --> 01:04:40,050
The car conked out
going across the bridge.

1525
01:04:40,117 --> 01:04:41,786
- So we're pushing it,
you know,

1526
01:04:41,853 --> 01:04:43,889
pushing this thing down
Seventh Avenue and, you know,

1527
01:04:43,955 --> 01:04:46,725
so you're running around,
getting everything set up,

1528
01:04:46,791 --> 01:04:49,961
you know, pulling back for
an action, helping Rudy push

1529
01:04:50,027 --> 01:04:52,530
the Ectomobile and then
running back to Ivan's side,

1530
01:04:52,596 --> 01:04:55,132
<i>it's just sort of coasting--</i>
<i>it was supposed to be driving</i>

1531
01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:57,401
but it's coasting
down the street.

1532
01:04:57,468 --> 01:05:00,271
- I think we just fixed the car
enough to just do this.

1533
01:05:00,337 --> 01:05:02,406
We need to get this shot
and get it running for this.

1534
01:05:02,473 --> 01:05:04,475
- And when you make the shot
in a car, you only have

1535
01:05:04,542 --> 01:05:07,044
a certain amount of street
that you can control.

1536
01:05:07,111 --> 01:05:09,446
<i>But once you've done the shot,</i>
<i>then you have to drive</i>

1537
01:05:09,513 --> 01:05:11,783
all the way around to come back
to where you started

1538
01:05:11,850 --> 01:05:13,284
and in the city of New York,

1539
01:05:13,350 --> 01:05:14,819
it's all one way streets
everywhere.

1540
01:05:14,886 --> 01:05:16,587
- And Ivan tells you,
"Get in and drive the Cadillac

1541
01:05:16,655 --> 01:05:19,256
<i>"out of the firehouse,</i>
<i>come around the corner</i>

1542
01:05:19,323 --> 01:05:22,928
and give me two passes,"
I mean... you know.

1543
01:05:22,994 --> 01:05:25,964
- So we did a lot of driving
around in that ambulance

1544
01:05:26,031 --> 01:05:30,802
as the Ghostbusters with Danny
driving with no cameras around

1545
01:05:30,869 --> 01:05:34,538
anywhere, so no one was even
aware a movie was being made,

1546
01:05:34,605 --> 01:05:37,943
but they'd see that ambulance,
"What the hell is that?"

1547
01:05:38,009 --> 01:05:40,845
- The Ectomobile, I came up
with that fairly early on

1548
01:05:40,912 --> 01:05:44,548
<i>that was on the little preview</i>
<i>reel I made up for Ivan</i>

1549
01:05:44,615 --> 01:05:46,317
<i>in the early part of</i>
<i>the picture.</i>

1550
01:05:46,383 --> 01:05:48,787
The thing went...
[imitating klaxon sound]

1551
01:05:48,853 --> 01:05:52,991
Yeah, it has that vaguely
European sound to it.

1552
01:05:53,058 --> 01:05:55,694
<i>I made that</i>

1553
01:05:55,760 --> 01:06:00,966
from a leopard howl
that was edited and then

1554
01:06:01,032 --> 01:06:05,971
reversed and played backwards
and the speed was changed,

1555
01:06:06,037 --> 01:06:09,808
I mean, keeping in mind
that there was no digital

1556
01:06:09,874 --> 01:06:11,442
manipulation in those days,

1557
01:06:11,508 --> 01:06:15,914
it was all razor blades and
splicing tape sort of thing.

1558
01:06:15,981 --> 01:06:17,615
[siren wailing]

1559
01:06:17,682 --> 01:06:21,251
<i>- Our philosophy, sort of,</i>
<i>on the movie, was to combine</i>

1560
01:06:21,318 --> 01:06:25,724
the physical effects
with the optical effects.

1561
01:06:25,790 --> 01:06:28,592
- Dan Aykroyd's asleep
and suddenly his belt buckle's

1562
01:06:28,660 --> 01:06:30,594
being undone and his pants
are unzipped.

1563
01:06:30,662 --> 01:06:33,263
- That was a Stuart Ziff job,
wasn't it?

1564
01:06:33,330 --> 01:06:35,634
- Yeah.
Be careful how you say that.

1565
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:37,802
- What?
[both laughing]

1566
01:06:37,869 --> 01:06:39,503
Yeah, but I mean--

1567
01:06:39,570 --> 01:06:42,339
- You don't want to call that
"the Stuart Ziff job."

1568
01:06:42,406 --> 01:06:45,810
- Stuart Ziff was the rabbi
of the group.

1569
01:06:45,877 --> 01:06:47,444
- Yeah, he was.

1570
01:06:47,511 --> 01:06:50,115
- We worked very hard on that--
that was added on--

1571
01:06:50,180 --> 01:06:52,383
I had to hire someone, Al
Coulter,

1572
01:06:52,449 --> 01:06:54,251
<i>to make that whole mechanism.</i>

1573
01:06:54,318 --> 01:06:56,054
- Little bits of wire

1574
01:06:56,121 --> 01:07:01,660
and some strap springs
that curl up

1575
01:07:01,726 --> 01:07:04,996
and pull apart, bend it
and tweak it and yank on it

1576
01:07:05,063 --> 01:07:08,365
<i>kind of stuff and then,</i>
<i>of course, condoms,</i>

1577
01:07:08,432 --> 01:07:11,535
air inflation device
and that's,

1578
01:07:11,602 --> 01:07:13,638
I guess, important to the gag.

1579
01:07:13,705 --> 01:07:15,272
<i>- That was a long sequence,</i>

1580
01:07:15,339 --> 01:07:16,741
that was not meant to be
a dream sequence.

1581
01:07:16,808 --> 01:07:19,110
<i>We built that set</i>
<i>and worked out a whole scene</i>

1582
01:07:19,176 --> 01:07:20,812
<i>with a voice prompt.</i>

1583
01:07:20,879 --> 01:07:24,548
- Dan Aykroyd and Ernie Hudson
drive out to Fort Detmerring

1584
01:07:24,615 --> 01:07:26,918
<i>and they trying to find</i>
<i>the Fort Detmerring ghost.</i>

1585
01:07:26,985 --> 01:07:28,920
<i>- And there's</i>
<i>a Revolutionary War ghost</i>

1586
01:07:28,987 --> 01:07:31,522
and Danny gets the blowjob
and the whole thing.

1587
01:07:31,588 --> 01:07:33,658
- As they're looking around,
it's late at night,

1588
01:07:33,725 --> 01:07:37,028
<i>and Dan Aykroyd falls asleep</i>
<i>and then this ghost appears,</i>

1589
01:07:37,095 --> 01:07:41,166
<i>you know, bathing him</i>
<i>in magenta pink light.</i>

1590
01:07:41,231 --> 01:07:44,334
<i>[eerie music]</i>

1591
01:07:46,403 --> 01:07:48,405
<i>Wakes him up</i>
<i>and unzips his pants</i>

1592
01:07:48,472 --> 01:07:50,474
and makes him cross his eyes.

1593
01:07:50,541 --> 01:07:52,911
- I'm not sure what was going
on, I mean, he was having

1594
01:07:52,977 --> 01:07:54,545
a wonderful time with a ghost.

1595
01:07:54,611 --> 01:07:56,380
If you're gonna be haunted,

1596
01:07:56,447 --> 01:07:58,149
that's the kind of ghost
you want to be haunted by.

1597
01:07:58,215 --> 01:08:01,218
<i>And because my insecurity is,</i>
<i>how come he gets to be the--</i>

1598
01:08:01,285 --> 01:08:02,787
<i>hang out with the ghost?</i>

1599
01:08:02,854 --> 01:08:04,455
<i>What about me?</i>

1600
01:08:04,521 --> 01:08:07,092
So I got over it, I'm okay.

1601
01:08:07,158 --> 01:08:11,295
- Once the film started on
that ascent up, if they gave

1602
01:08:11,361 --> 01:08:14,132
that the amount of time
they originally thought,

1603
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:18,469
it would've broken that pace,
it would've broken that ascent.

1604
01:08:18,535 --> 01:08:21,172
So consequently,
it just got edited down.

1605
01:08:21,238 --> 01:08:23,340
- And once we were cutting it

1606
01:08:23,407 --> 01:08:24,843
and knew it was going to be a
montage,

1607
01:08:24,909 --> 01:08:27,277
it was like I had to run back
to the tech house and go,

1608
01:08:27,344 --> 01:08:30,815
you can cut four scenes,
you can cut four scenes!

1609
01:08:30,882 --> 01:08:32,684
- I don't know where they get
these guest conductors.

1610
01:08:32,751 --> 01:08:36,020
You know, I always felt like
each partner I had

1611
01:08:36,087 --> 01:08:40,725
in a scene was, was so
brilliant at what they did.

1612
01:08:40,792 --> 01:08:44,561
- I don't think that
my character is good

1613
01:08:44,628 --> 01:08:48,733
with competition, at least
the way I played him.

1614
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,570
He's pretty in touch
with his inner child.

1615
01:08:53,638 --> 01:08:56,607
- It was one of
the first scenes I shot,

1616
01:08:56,674 --> 01:08:58,743
<i>I think it might've been</i>
<i>the first scene.</i>

1617
01:08:58,810 --> 01:09:00,611
<i>Having it sort of start at</i>
<i>Lincoln Center</i>

1618
01:09:00,678 --> 01:09:02,781
<i>was a wonderful place</i>
<i>to begin.</i>

1619
01:09:02,847 --> 01:09:04,816
We had a good time
and I thought Timothy Carhart

1620
01:09:04,883 --> 01:09:07,351
did a great job,
you know, snuffling.

1621
01:09:07,417 --> 01:09:10,989
<i>- I didn't know how cool the</i>
<i>movie was going to be because,</i>

1622
01:09:11,055 --> 01:09:12,422
<i>you know, they don't say,</i>

1623
01:09:12,489 --> 01:09:15,026
"Tim, come to the set,
you know,

1624
01:09:15,093 --> 01:09:16,694
"a month before your turn

1625
01:09:16,761 --> 01:09:19,530
and we'll show you everything,"
they don't do that.

1626
01:09:19,596 --> 01:09:21,833
You just show up
when your job is.

1627
01:09:21,900 --> 01:09:24,869
- It was a fun place to do a
scene and it was the beginning

1628
01:09:24,936 --> 01:09:27,337
of what I feel is one of
the great things about

1629
01:09:27,404 --> 01:09:30,440
"Ghostbusters," which is such
a love letter to New York.

1630
01:09:30,507 --> 01:09:33,011
- Sigourney's
a real straight shooter

1631
01:09:33,077 --> 01:09:36,580
and of course Bill is so not.

1632
01:09:36,648 --> 01:09:38,716
<i>I shot a couple of days before</i>

1633
01:09:38,783 --> 01:09:40,785
<i>I did my first scene</i>
<i>with Bill.</i>

1634
01:09:40,852 --> 01:09:43,221
It was like, well, isn't Bill
supposed to be here?

1635
01:09:43,288 --> 01:09:45,556
What time is Bill's call?

1636
01:09:45,622 --> 01:09:49,894
Anyway, Bill missed his call
by some hours,

1637
01:09:49,961 --> 01:09:53,530
so much so that we had to
start shooting that scene

1638
01:09:53,597 --> 01:09:55,133
<i>with a stand-in.</i>

1639
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,534
<i>And then he came in</i>
<i>and he clearly didn't know</i>

1640
01:09:57,601 --> 01:09:59,871
<i>what the scene was,</i>
<i>he hadn't looked at it.</i>

1641
01:09:59,938 --> 01:10:03,675
<i>Bill was very willing to just</i>
<i>improvise that scene.</i>

1642
01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:06,177
But you can't now improvise
the scene because we've already

1643
01:10:06,244 --> 01:10:10,380
shot half of it, so you kind of
have to do the lines.

1644
01:10:10,447 --> 01:10:13,852
<i>He was a little embarrassed</i>
<i>about having been that late,</i>

1645
01:10:13,918 --> 01:10:18,388
<i>so he was amusing everybody,</i>
<i>but not me so much.</i>

1646
01:10:18,455 --> 01:10:22,193
He was like, "What's wrong?
What's wrong, Annie? Come on."

1647
01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:23,862
Ghostbusters,
what do ya want?

1648
01:10:23,928 --> 01:10:28,066
I said, nothing's wrong,
I would just like you to stand

1649
01:10:28,132 --> 01:10:32,136
on your fucking mark
and say your fucking line!

1650
01:10:32,203 --> 01:10:34,438
And then I'll be fine.

1651
01:10:34,504 --> 01:10:37,574
And as I recall,
the crew applauded.

1652
01:10:37,642 --> 01:10:40,345
- It's a good job, isn't it?

1653
01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:41,980
- I'm Walter Peck.

1654
01:10:42,046 --> 01:10:43,982
<i>I didn't do any deep</i>
<i>background work</i>

1655
01:10:44,048 --> 01:10:46,251
on the juvenile life
of Walter Peck.

1656
01:10:46,317 --> 01:10:49,519
I felt I had my own juvenile
life that was perfectly fine

1657
01:10:49,586 --> 01:10:52,857
to draw from,
I didn't need anybody else's.

1658
01:10:52,924 --> 01:10:55,525
<i>I lived in New York</i>
<i>and I went and I met them.</i>

1659
01:10:55,592 --> 01:10:57,161
<i>I'd kind of known them</i>
<i>peripherally</i>

1660
01:10:57,228 --> 01:10:59,864
<i>because I'd worked with</i>
<i>Gilda Radner in New York.</i>

1661
01:10:59,931 --> 01:11:01,933
<i>So I'd met all of them then</i>
<i>and it was a ver--</i>

1662
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:03,968
I mean,
they were iconic comics.

1663
01:11:04,035 --> 01:11:05,837
<i>When I talked to Harold</i>
<i>about it</i>

1664
01:11:05,904 --> 01:11:07,705
<i>and I talked to Ivan about it,</i>

1665
01:11:07,772 --> 01:11:10,875
I knew that I can't
compete at being funny,

1666
01:11:10,942 --> 01:11:14,145
I have to play this--I have to
play this like "Antigone,"

1667
01:11:14,212 --> 01:11:16,314
<i>you know, I have to be</i>
<i>a male Margaret Dumont,</i>

1668
01:11:16,381 --> 01:11:18,316
<i>that's how I thought of it.</i>

1669
01:11:18,383 --> 01:11:20,550
I certainly wasn't a comedian
and I wasn't going to be able

1670
01:11:20,617 --> 01:11:22,253
to compete with them
on that stage,

1671
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:23,888
which would've been stupid.

1672
01:11:23,955 --> 01:11:26,357
<i>And so they taught me</i>
<i>the character, essentially.</i>

1673
01:11:26,423 --> 01:11:28,826
<i>The character's part of</i>
<i>the architecture of the story.</i>

1674
01:11:28,893 --> 01:11:32,897
<i>They need a foil, a bad guy,</i>
<i>or some kind of antagonist.</i>

1675
01:11:32,964 --> 01:11:36,000
<i>Theoni Aldredge, who was</i>
<i>a great costume designer,</i>

1676
01:11:36,067 --> 01:11:37,601
<i>I'd known her from</i>
<i>the Public Theater,</i>

1677
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:39,804
and so we sat down
and she said,

1678
01:11:39,871 --> 01:11:41,806
"Well, what do you want to do,
what do you want to look like?"

1679
01:11:41,873 --> 01:11:45,910
And I said, well, I wanted to
make it visually significant.

1680
01:11:45,977 --> 01:11:49,047
I wanted a dark blue kind of
suit, I had a little

1681
01:11:49,113 --> 01:11:52,183
Phi Beta Kappa pin that's very
hard to see but it kind of

1682
01:11:52,250 --> 01:11:56,054
anchors you, and Theoni helped
me a great deal with that,

1683
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,289
just kind of putting
the right kind of pinstripe,

1684
01:11:58,356 --> 01:12:01,726
the right kind of tie,
and I grew a beard for it.

1685
01:12:01,793 --> 01:12:03,795
<i>And I took a deep breath</i>
<i>and I hoped</i>

1686
01:12:03,861 --> 01:12:07,332
it would kind of work out
and I'm the scene stealer.

1687
01:12:07,398 --> 01:12:09,200
<i>You could have it your way,</i>
<i>Mr. Venkman.</i>

1688
01:12:13,204 --> 01:12:16,107
<i>[majestic music]</i>

1689
01:12:16,174 --> 01:12:19,377
<i>- Sigourney Weaver,</i>
<i>she's in her apartment,</i>

1690
01:12:19,444 --> 01:12:23,181
<i>various things happened,</i>
<i>she sits in the chair,</i>

1691
01:12:23,247 --> 01:12:26,217
<i>this hand breaks through</i>
<i>and grabs her and, like,</i>

1692
01:12:26,284 --> 01:12:28,853
<i>another hand breaks through</i>
<i>and grabs her over here.</i>

1693
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,656
Well, the shooting of that,
puppeteers underneath

1694
01:12:31,723 --> 01:12:34,192
with these claws
would reach up.

1695
01:12:34,258 --> 01:12:37,362
<i>- There were three puppeteers,</i>
<i>very techy guys.</i>

1696
01:12:37,428 --> 01:12:41,232
I had to really kind of
encourage them to not be afraid

1697
01:12:41,299 --> 01:12:44,702
<i>of hurting me or, God knows,</i>
<i>they would not offend me</i>

1698
01:12:44,769 --> 01:12:47,338
<i>if they grabbed me here,</i>
<i>they had these big,</i>

1699
01:12:47,405 --> 01:12:49,340
rubber puppet hands anyway.

1700
01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:51,876
- Of course this is
Sigourney Weaver, and they just

1701
01:12:51,943 --> 01:12:54,278
<i>wouldn't do it with</i>
<i>the right amount of force.</i>

1702
01:12:54,345 --> 01:12:57,181
- What happened in the first
couple of takes was...

1703
01:12:57,248 --> 01:13:00,251
You know,
try to find where they could

1704
01:13:00,318 --> 01:13:02,253
grab her without being,
you know, rude.

1705
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,756
- She looks down at the
puppeteer in the middle of

1706
01:13:04,822 --> 01:13:07,191
the thing and she goes,
"Go ahead, make my day."

1707
01:13:07,258 --> 01:13:10,094
<i>- And then the next take,</i>
<i>wah, grabs her leg.</i>

1708
01:13:10,161 --> 01:13:12,030
Ah, the other arm
grabs her breast.

1709
01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:13,898
It was a take that went
into the next shot.

1710
01:13:13,965 --> 01:13:18,036
- They were all so sweet
and so like, "Oh..." you know.

1711
01:13:18,102 --> 01:13:20,505
- But there was something
very powerful, particularly for

1712
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:23,441
<i>the actors because they really</i>
<i>did experience what finally</i>

1713
01:13:23,508 --> 01:13:26,644
<i>the audience was going to see</i>
<i>to a great extent.</i>

1714
01:13:26,711 --> 01:13:28,746
- [screaming]
- [growling]

1715
01:13:28,813 --> 01:13:31,182
<i>- Those were a problem.</i>

1716
01:13:31,249 --> 01:13:34,318
They were called terror dogs
almost arbitrarily because

1717
01:13:34,385 --> 01:13:38,256
they could've been lizard
creatures or gobbledygooks,

1718
01:13:38,322 --> 01:13:39,824
<i>I mean, they had things</i>
<i>they had to do</i>

1719
01:13:39,891 --> 01:13:41,893
<i>like run around</i>
<i>and be terrible.</i>

1720
01:13:41,959 --> 01:13:45,196
<i>So it had restraints,</i>
<i>it had to exist on the ground,</i>

1721
01:13:45,263 --> 01:13:47,265
<i>it wasn't a floating</i>
<i>ecto-whatever,</i>

1722
01:13:47,331 --> 01:13:49,667
<i>so they had to be scary,</i>
<i>they couldn't be silly</i>

1723
01:13:49,734 --> 01:13:51,202
<i>like the Onionhead.</i>

1724
01:13:51,269 --> 01:13:53,171
Because the laughs
of the scenes

1725
01:13:53,237 --> 01:13:55,473
were not based on it
being silly.

1726
01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:57,041
- I think
the biggest thing was

1727
01:13:57,108 --> 01:14:00,311
are these damn things gonna
work was the big question

1728
01:14:00,378 --> 01:14:03,281
with regard to the terror dogs.

1729
01:14:03,347 --> 01:14:07,018
- So we kind of took the
"terror dog" term literally.

1730
01:14:07,085 --> 01:14:08,719
<i>I took it to some artists</i>
<i>and said,</i>

1731
01:14:08,786 --> 01:14:10,955
<i>interpret it as a mad dog,</i>

1732
01:14:11,022 --> 01:14:13,958
<i>and then we kept on moving</i>
<i>through that and they just</i>

1733
01:14:14,025 --> 01:14:16,360
<i>morphed into something</i>
<i>that's a cross</i>

1734
01:14:16,427 --> 01:14:18,595
<i>between a lizardy creature</i>

1735
01:14:18,663 --> 01:14:21,332
<i>but acts sort of like a dog.</i>

1736
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:24,035
- By the time I got to
"Ghostbusters" a lot of

1737
01:14:24,102 --> 01:14:27,138
the concept drawings had been
done already and I think

1738
01:14:27,205 --> 01:14:29,941
<i>everybody was pretty much</i>
<i>snow-blind with all these</i>

1739
01:14:30,007 --> 01:14:34,912
<i>really good but totally</i>
<i>diverse interpretations</i>

1740
01:14:34,979 --> 01:14:37,715
<i>by Berni Wrightson</i>
<i>and by Tom Enriquez</i>

1741
01:14:37,782 --> 01:14:39,684
<i>and by a few other people.</i>

1742
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:41,419
It was like going though
the Louvre.

1743
01:14:41,486 --> 01:14:44,722
<i>They finally settled on one,</i>
<i>a design by Tom Enriquez,</i>

1744
01:14:44,789 --> 01:14:47,024
<i>which looked like a bit like</i>

1745
01:14:47,091 --> 01:14:48,993
<i>the "Forbidden Planet"</i>
<i>Id monster,</i>

1746
01:14:49,060 --> 01:14:51,796
<i>but with four legs and horns.</i>

1747
01:14:51,863 --> 01:14:54,232
As a concept, very good.

1748
01:14:54,298 --> 01:14:58,436
Then they made a maquette
of that which Michael Gross

1749
01:14:58,503 --> 01:15:01,906
presented me as something
that was animatable

1750
01:15:01,973 --> 01:15:03,875
and I didn't think it was.

1751
01:15:03,941 --> 01:15:05,743
<i>It was very cartoonish,</i>
<i>I mean, it was</i>

1752
01:15:05,810 --> 01:15:08,479
<i>a totally legitimate</i>
<i>interpretation of</i>

1753
01:15:08,546 --> 01:15:11,949
<i>that initial concept sketch</i>
<i>of Tom's.</i>

1754
01:15:12,016 --> 01:15:15,753
I was asked what my design
would be, and so I sculpted

1755
01:15:15,820 --> 01:15:18,623
<i>my interpretation of it,</i>
<i>which is</i>

1756
01:15:18,689 --> 01:15:21,425
<i>more anatomically valid.</i>

1757
01:15:21,492 --> 01:15:25,163
A few notes were given
and I made some changes insofar

1758
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:28,166
<i>as the anatomy was concerned,</i>
<i>not much.</i>

1759
01:15:28,232 --> 01:15:32,403
Richard wanted him to be more
muscular, more weightlifter-y.

1760
01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:35,540
<i>I think the original maquette</i>
<i>was a little better but--</i>

1761
01:15:35,606 --> 01:15:39,277
<i>because I think I made him</i>
<i>too, like so many Americans,</i>

1762
01:15:39,343 --> 01:15:41,445
he got too big,
you know, he got too fat,

1763
01:15:41,512 --> 01:15:42,980
he's a little chubby.

1764
01:15:43,047 --> 01:15:44,615
But that's okay,
'cause it's a comedy.

1765
01:15:44,682 --> 01:15:50,688
So it looks part Tom, part me,
part, you know, Harryhausen.

1766
01:15:50,755 --> 01:15:53,457
- I definitely
asked to be shown.

1767
01:15:53,524 --> 01:15:55,826
<i>Of course, my first</i>
<i>conversation with Ivan</i>

1768
01:15:55,893 --> 01:15:58,029
<i>about the terror dogs was that</i>
<i>I could just put on a suit</i>

1769
01:15:58,095 --> 01:15:59,964
<i>and be a terror dog.</i>

1770
01:16:00,031 --> 01:16:04,368
He thought that was about
the silliest idea in the world.

1771
01:16:04,435 --> 01:16:06,304
But I was from the theater,
you know, so,

1772
01:16:06,370 --> 01:16:07,972
"I can be a terror dog."

1773
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:10,074
- The terror dogs
were made in many scales.

1774
01:16:10,141 --> 01:16:11,609
Whenever the terror dog
would run,

1775
01:16:11,677 --> 01:16:14,412
<i>that was a stop-motion puppet,</i>
<i>and the original one</i>

1776
01:16:14,478 --> 01:16:17,715
was sculpted by Randy Cook
and ultimately he did

1777
01:16:17,782 --> 01:16:19,417
the stop-motion animation.

1778
01:16:19,483 --> 01:16:22,887
- But I, you know, oversaw
the sculpture of not only

1779
01:16:22,954 --> 01:16:25,056
<i>the small one,</i>
<i>which I sculpted myself,</i>

1780
01:16:25,122 --> 01:16:28,259
<i>but the big one,</i>
<i>which Mike Hosch led off on,</i>

1781
01:16:28,326 --> 01:16:30,361
<i>that he and Linda Frobos</i>
<i>were working on at night,</i>

1782
01:16:30,428 --> 01:16:34,265
and I remember the last
two or three nights

1783
01:16:34,332 --> 01:16:38,637
<i>before it had to be molded,</i>
<i>everybody weighed in--</i>

1784
01:16:38,704 --> 01:16:43,642
Steve Johnson and Linda Frobos
and Mark Wilson and myself,

1785
01:16:43,709 --> 01:16:46,645
maybe Billy Bryan, I don't
remember--a lot of people

1786
01:16:46,712 --> 01:16:50,548
<i>started, you know, doing</i>
<i>the final detail on the face,</i>

1787
01:16:50,615 --> 01:16:52,583
<i>and the way we made</i>
<i>that work was</i>

1788
01:16:52,651 --> 01:16:55,753
Polaroid camera,
little model,

1789
01:16:55,820 --> 01:16:57,555
stop-motion model,
big model.

1790
01:16:57,622 --> 01:17:00,524
And I just kept taking
Polaroids, matching Polaroids

1791
01:17:00,591 --> 01:17:03,662
of the two until I couldn't
tell the difference

1792
01:17:03,729 --> 01:17:05,096
and then we were done.

1793
01:17:05,162 --> 01:17:07,231
- And they had to somehow be--

1794
01:17:07,298 --> 01:17:09,267
look like something
that could be in a statue.

1795
01:17:09,333 --> 01:17:12,169
- It's supposed to be that
the stone statue came to life,

1796
01:17:12,236 --> 01:17:14,338
but the only way
we could do it in a hurry

1797
01:17:14,405 --> 01:17:16,841
<i>was it was in there</i>
<i>and claws its way out.</i>

1798
01:17:16,907 --> 01:17:19,010
- And this is actually
what you see underneath.

1799
01:17:19,076 --> 01:17:22,413
And the eye, if you notice,
there are wires here,

1800
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:23,848
this was the actual prop

1801
01:17:23,914 --> 01:17:26,317
and there was
also a little push rod

1802
01:17:26,384 --> 01:17:29,954
operated via air, and it would
push through this little hole

1803
01:17:30,021 --> 01:17:32,256
and that's what broke away
the plaster.

1804
01:17:32,323 --> 01:17:35,559
- Sometimes the simple stuff
works even more effectively

1805
01:17:35,626 --> 01:17:38,629
than more elaborate things that
we're used to seeing right now.

1806
01:17:38,697 --> 01:17:42,133
- And because that was Randy's
gig, I just really wanted

1807
01:17:42,199 --> 01:17:43,834
to go see if he was
gonna fuck up or not.

1808
01:17:43,901 --> 01:17:47,371
- The terror dogs in the temple
were one of the first things

1809
01:17:47,438 --> 01:17:51,976
that we had to shoot,
long before the mechanics

1810
01:17:52,043 --> 01:17:53,811
<i>could be done for</i>
<i>the inside of it.</i>

1811
01:17:53,878 --> 01:17:58,249
<i>So I suggested to production</i>
<i>that we build dummy dogs,</i>

1812
01:17:58,316 --> 01:18:01,619
<i>basically no substructure</i>
<i>at all--</i>

1813
01:18:01,687 --> 01:18:04,588
"dogs," we call them--
these, these puppets

1814
01:18:04,656 --> 01:18:07,458
<i>had no eye movement,</i>
<i>they had no mouth movement,</i>

1815
01:18:07,525 --> 01:18:09,126
<i>they had nothing.</i>

1816
01:18:09,193 --> 01:18:11,763
- And then an electric carving
knife like you'd carve

1817
01:18:11,829 --> 01:18:14,298
a turkey carved out the inside.

1818
01:18:14,365 --> 01:18:17,468
- So that a puppeteer could
get inside each from below.

1819
01:18:17,535 --> 01:18:21,807
<i>I reasoned that we could</i>
<i>get our wide shots with them,</i>

1820
01:18:21,872 --> 01:18:25,843
<i>and then they could go in</i>
<i>later when the proper puppets</i>

1821
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:28,446
<i>were made and do inserts.</i>

1822
01:18:28,512 --> 01:18:31,515
- You know, there are
these big mass of rubber,

1823
01:18:31,582 --> 01:18:35,619
as they were kind of forklifted
on to the location.

1824
01:18:35,687 --> 01:18:37,588
- The puppeteers had to get
inside these things

1825
01:18:37,656 --> 01:18:40,291
and find out if they could
breathe and if they wouldn't

1826
01:18:40,358 --> 01:18:44,796
get poisoned by
the residual urethane aroma--

1827
01:18:44,862 --> 01:18:46,464
"bouquet," we call it.

1828
01:18:46,530 --> 01:18:49,433
- There was a male and female,
or a large horn, I guess,

1829
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:50,702
and a little horn.

1830
01:18:50,769 --> 01:18:53,037
- We had two puppets
with interchangeable horns

1831
01:18:53,104 --> 01:18:56,340
that were otherwise
virtually identical.

1832
01:18:56,407 --> 01:18:59,510
- So he asked me, he said,
"You know, you're a girl,

1833
01:18:59,577 --> 01:19:02,546
<i>"you're a female puppeteer,</i>
<i>and I know this is gonna be</i>

1834
01:19:02,613 --> 01:19:04,448
<i>"a little bit weird,</i>
<i>but do you think</i>

1835
01:19:04,515 --> 01:19:08,953
"if I put a female puppeteer
in the temple dog

1836
01:19:09,019 --> 01:19:13,391
that Sigourney turns into that
it will be more feminine?"

1837
01:19:13,457 --> 01:19:17,528
Well, just so you know,
the answer is "yes."

1838
01:19:17,595 --> 01:19:19,330
<i>- They had a little TV set</i>
<i>so they could see</i>

1839
01:19:19,397 --> 01:19:23,234
what they were doing--little,
tiny, itsy-bitsy TV sets,

1840
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:26,671
the finest Radio Shack
could provide.

1841
01:19:26,738 --> 01:19:29,039
- When you climbed into it,
you were strapped into it

1842
01:19:29,106 --> 01:19:30,642
like a racecar harness.

1843
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:35,312
- You could actually lean into
them and pilot them, you know,

1844
01:19:35,379 --> 01:19:37,381
turn the heads
and have them lean.

1845
01:19:37,448 --> 01:19:39,283
- It took a lot of
upper body strength.

1846
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:42,553
- The floor of the actual set
was built four feet

1847
01:19:42,620 --> 01:19:45,523
<i>off the ground,</i>
<i>so if the director said, "Hey,</i>

1848
01:19:45,589 --> 01:19:48,827
I want the terror dog over
there," the grips would cut

1849
01:19:48,894 --> 01:19:51,663
a hole in the floor and
the puppeteer would come from

1850
01:19:51,730 --> 01:19:55,166
<i>the bottom and we'd put</i>
<i>the sitting terror dog on it</i>

1851
01:19:55,232 --> 01:19:58,469
and also cables went under
the floor to all the people

1852
01:19:58,536 --> 01:20:01,740
with levers to operate
the cables, you know, to make

1853
01:20:01,807 --> 01:20:04,676
<i>the cheeks move or whatever,</i>
<i>the eyebrows move.</i>

1854
01:20:04,743 --> 01:20:07,545
- And the first time we
reveal it, he opens the door

1855
01:20:07,611 --> 01:20:10,448
<i>and throws the jacket and it</i>
<i>lands on this thing.</i>

1856
01:20:10,514 --> 01:20:12,950
<i>Well, I'm the guy</i>
<i>that was throwing the jacket</i>

1857
01:20:13,017 --> 01:20:14,452
<i>and it kept missing.</i>

1858
01:20:14,518 --> 01:20:17,021
<i>Ivan was there and he was</i>
<i>getting really mad.</i>

1859
01:20:17,087 --> 01:20:20,057
I did a lot, I mean,
to the point where,

1860
01:20:20,124 --> 01:20:22,794
<i>"Okay, if you can't make it,</i>
<i>somebody else is gonna do it,"</i>

1861
01:20:22,861 --> 01:20:24,729
and with the last shot
I got it.

1862
01:20:24,796 --> 01:20:28,165
I think I did it like 15 times
because I kept missing.

1863
01:20:28,232 --> 01:20:29,701
It seemed easy.

1864
01:20:29,768 --> 01:20:33,103
- Because we had him really
shaking it off, and he goes,

1865
01:20:33,170 --> 01:20:35,439
"No, no, no, no, we want it--"
Randy would say, "No, I want it

1866
01:20:35,506 --> 01:20:38,643
more of a head--"
like that kind of a thing.

1867
01:20:38,710 --> 01:20:43,147
<i>- The movements were very</i>
<i>minimal, which was</i>

1868
01:20:43,214 --> 01:20:45,449
<i>sort of echoed in</i>
<i>the animation as well.</i>

1869
01:20:45,516 --> 01:20:49,053
- Stop-motion animation is
you gotta be nuts to do this.

1870
01:20:49,119 --> 01:20:51,522
- Then it was on to
the animation stage.

1871
01:20:51,589 --> 01:20:54,893
<i>Doug Beswick made the armature</i>
<i>based upon the creature</i>

1872
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,627
<i>which had already been built.</i>

1873
01:20:56,695 --> 01:20:58,996
It's always better to build it,
you know, build the armature

1874
01:20:59,063 --> 01:21:02,634
first and the creature after,
which our drawings were quite

1875
01:21:02,701 --> 01:21:04,903
<i>accurate because we used to do</i>
<i>elevation drawings,</i>

1876
01:21:04,970 --> 01:21:06,771
<i>right top and side and front.</i>

1877
01:21:06,838 --> 01:21:09,941
- <i>Why don't you go over and</i>
<i>pet him on top of the head?</i>

1878
01:21:10,007 --> 01:21:13,244
<i>- Gunnar Ferdinandsen did the</i>
<i>mold, which was a work of art,</i>

1879
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:16,380
<i>he was the preeminent</i>
<i>mold maker of, you know,</i>

1880
01:21:16,447 --> 01:21:19,383
<i>in every shop in the business.</i>

1881
01:21:19,450 --> 01:21:21,085
I'd grown up
making my own mold,

1882
01:21:21,151 --> 01:21:22,754
you know, I made my own molds
and boy,

1883
01:21:22,821 --> 01:21:25,891
those are sloppy stuff,
but he and Richard Ruiz,

1884
01:21:25,957 --> 01:21:28,459
<i>you know, did it right.</i>

1885
01:21:28,526 --> 01:21:30,594
[dog growling]

1886
01:21:30,662 --> 01:21:32,196
<i>I remember</i>
<i>the Central Park thing</i>

1887
01:21:32,263 --> 01:21:33,698
<i>because I wasn't there</i>
<i>to oversee it.</i>

1888
01:21:33,765 --> 01:21:35,934
No measurements were
taken of the thing.

1889
01:21:36,001 --> 01:21:39,671
- This was one of those cases
where we had to just

1890
01:21:39,738 --> 01:21:43,875
shoot something that wasn't
there and make that work.

1891
01:21:43,942 --> 01:21:46,878
<i>- And that was a nightmare</i>
<i>because it took a long time</i>

1892
01:21:46,945 --> 01:21:49,613
<i>to figure it out because we</i>
<i>had no dimensions, it wasn't</i>

1893
01:21:49,681 --> 01:21:51,615
<i>match moved,</i>
<i>it was we had to make up</i>

1894
01:21:51,683 --> 01:21:53,551
a match move,
complicated thing.

1895
01:21:53,617 --> 01:21:57,121
<i>- You only had one crack at it</i>
<i>because it took him at least</i>

1896
01:21:57,187 --> 01:21:59,557
<i>a day to shoot it and it took</i>
<i>him a couple of days</i>

1897
01:21:59,623 --> 01:22:01,158
<i>to sort it out.</i>

1898
01:22:01,225 --> 01:22:02,560
<i>- We had no time left,</i>

1899
01:22:02,626 --> 01:22:04,996
<i>didn't know</i>
<i>how it was gonna turn out.</i>

1900
01:22:05,062 --> 01:22:07,799
We get back the next day
for dailies...

1901
01:22:07,866 --> 01:22:10,267
The whole set has been struck,
the terror dog's there,

1902
01:22:10,334 --> 01:22:12,704
the blue screen against which
he was shot

1903
01:22:12,771 --> 01:22:17,008
has gone off to Metro
for "2010,"

1904
01:22:17,074 --> 01:22:19,811
no retakes
and the film didn't--

1905
01:22:19,878 --> 01:22:22,681
wasn't to come back for
another couple of hours

1906
01:22:22,747 --> 01:22:25,249
so I was... nervous.

1907
01:22:25,316 --> 01:22:27,986
<i>As it worked out,</i>
<i>it was okay.</i>

1908
01:22:28,053 --> 01:22:30,120
<i>I would've done it over for</i>

1909
01:22:30,187 --> 01:22:32,556
<i>the simple reason</i>
<i>that the blur</i>

1910
01:22:32,623 --> 01:22:34,993
<i>of the camera cancelled out</i>
<i>the blur of the puppet,</i>

1911
01:22:35,060 --> 01:22:36,594
<i>so it's got that flaw to it.</i>

1912
01:22:36,661 --> 01:22:38,629
Well, what are you
gonna do?

1913
01:22:38,697 --> 01:22:40,632
- There was never a situation
where we said,

1914
01:22:40,699 --> 01:22:43,735
we can't deliver that,
we have to cut it.

1915
01:22:43,802 --> 01:22:48,505
- I think we only had 140 shots
was the original number,

1916
01:22:48,572 --> 01:22:52,109
<i>and then when we had about</i>
<i>three or four weeks left,</i>

1917
01:22:52,176 --> 01:22:55,145
Ivan decided to add
a hundred shots.

1918
01:22:55,212 --> 01:22:58,717
<i>- The time constraints,</i>
<i>the changing of the schedule.</i>

1919
01:22:58,783 --> 01:23:00,852
<i>We had people working</i>
<i>seven days a week,</i>

1920
01:23:00,919 --> 01:23:03,021
I remember they rented some
condominiums across the street

1921
01:23:03,088 --> 01:23:04,421
from Boss Films

1922
01:23:04,488 --> 01:23:07,792
so people could see
their families occasionally.

1923
01:23:07,859 --> 01:23:09,961
- It's great when you work on
the weekend because you get

1924
01:23:10,028 --> 01:23:12,463
paid overtime, but if people
work too many weekends

1925
01:23:12,529 --> 01:23:14,298
they get completely burned out

1926
01:23:14,365 --> 01:23:15,967
and then the quality of work
goes down,

1927
01:23:16,034 --> 01:23:17,601
mistakes are made.

1928
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:21,706
- When Ivan came over
to add these shots,

1929
01:23:21,773 --> 01:23:24,776
I met him in a parking lot
with a samurai suit.

1930
01:23:24,843 --> 01:23:26,443
- Is that true?
[both laughing]

1931
01:23:26,510 --> 01:23:30,614
- I said, Ivan, we need to do
the samurai cut.

1932
01:23:30,682 --> 01:23:33,852
You know, we can't possibly do
a hundred more shots, you know,

1933
01:23:33,918 --> 01:23:36,587
you have to be reasonable here,
you know,

1934
01:23:36,655 --> 01:23:38,589
I mean,
the guys are bleeding already.

1935
01:23:38,657 --> 01:23:41,926
<i>And then we went over</i>
<i>by $700,000, you know,</i>

1936
01:23:41,993 --> 01:23:44,663
then they started griping about
that, even though they had

1937
01:23:44,729 --> 01:23:48,099
added all these shots
in the last minute, I mean,

1938
01:23:48,165 --> 01:23:51,636
there was blood in the shoes
of the optical department.

1939
01:23:51,703 --> 01:23:54,538
- We actually shook everybody
up in the business

1940
01:23:54,605 --> 01:23:59,711
and they cut six months off
your post production schedule,

1941
01:23:59,778 --> 01:24:03,380
which is, well, if they could
do it, anybody could do it.

1942
01:24:03,447 --> 01:24:06,550
- Considering what
they could do then

1943
01:24:06,617 --> 01:24:08,019
and what they could do now

1944
01:24:08,086 --> 01:24:11,188
<i>with the limited resources</i>
<i>that they had back then</i>

1945
01:24:11,255 --> 01:24:12,691
was beautifully pulled off.

1946
01:24:12,757 --> 01:24:15,760
- [screaming]
- [growling]

1947
01:24:15,827 --> 01:24:17,696
[glass squeaking]

1948
01:24:21,766 --> 01:24:23,534
[harp glissando]

1949
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,470
- What I loved was that Dana,
you know, was this sort of

1950
01:24:26,537 --> 01:24:30,842
"normal" person
and then becomes Zuul.

1951
01:24:30,909 --> 01:24:32,576
<i>It was the kind of thing</i>
<i>I'd done in theater,</i>

1952
01:24:32,644 --> 01:24:34,779
sort of transforming
completely,

1953
01:24:34,846 --> 01:24:37,581
um, within 10 seconds,

1954
01:24:37,649 --> 01:24:40,785
but in movies you're not
usually encouraged to do that.

1955
01:24:40,852 --> 01:24:42,721
<i>I had a brilliant</i>
<i>makeup artist</i>

1956
01:24:42,787 --> 01:24:44,421
and we worked for a long time

1957
01:24:44,488 --> 01:24:47,324
to get my hair... like that

1958
01:24:47,391 --> 01:24:50,729
and lots of kind of
phosphorescent makeup.

1959
01:24:50,795 --> 01:24:55,299
<i>He did just a great job</i>
<i>and finally, I did look like</i>

1960
01:24:55,365 --> 01:24:58,169
<i>I'd stuck my finger</i>
<i>in a socket</i>

1961
01:24:58,235 --> 01:25:00,038
and turned into someone else.

1962
01:25:00,105 --> 01:25:03,675
<i>Between the wind and the light</i>
<i>and the makeup and everything,</i>

1963
01:25:03,742 --> 01:25:06,711
<i>my beautiful dress</i>
<i>that Theoni Aldredge</i>

1964
01:25:06,778 --> 01:25:10,614
had made for me, this sort
of orangey, flamey dress,

1965
01:25:10,682 --> 01:25:14,753
I felt quite possessed
and it was a lovely feeling.

1966
01:25:16,487 --> 01:25:18,622
And then every now
and then Ivan would say,

1967
01:25:18,690 --> 01:25:21,558
"Just, you know, do a little
bit less, you know?"

1968
01:25:21,625 --> 01:25:24,796
[guttural growling]

1969
01:25:24,863 --> 01:25:28,967
If you give the editor stuff
like that, grotesque stuff

1970
01:25:29,033 --> 01:25:30,434
like what you're doing,

1971
01:25:30,501 --> 01:25:32,971
he's gonna want to put it
in the movie.

1972
01:25:33,037 --> 01:25:35,339
<i>- When we shot it,</i>
<i>that first day,</i>

1973
01:25:35,405 --> 01:25:37,175
<i>it was shot in City Hall</i>

1974
01:25:37,242 --> 01:25:42,714
and it was either the Mayor's
office or an alternate office,

1975
01:25:42,781 --> 01:25:45,516
I remember Mayor Koch came in
to visit for a moment,

1976
01:25:45,582 --> 01:25:47,952
he was then the Mayor
of New York.

1977
01:25:48,019 --> 01:25:51,055
- Every once in a while Bill
would get on a roll and that

1978
01:25:51,122 --> 01:25:56,326
unity that they have, and you
really can feel outside of it,

1979
01:25:56,393 --> 01:25:59,898
<i>and so trying to jump in</i>
<i>the middle of all that improv,</i>

1980
01:25:59,964 --> 01:26:02,299
<i>and they had worked together</i>
<i>in that sort of medium.</i>

1981
01:26:02,366 --> 01:26:05,335
<i>I came from strictly acting,</i>
<i>I mean, I came from theater,</i>

1982
01:26:05,402 --> 01:26:07,604
but they were,
you know, just...

1983
01:26:07,672 --> 01:26:09,774
let it roll and see
what happens.

1984
01:26:09,841 --> 01:26:15,345
- Bill Murray said, "You know,
they should know each other

1985
01:26:15,412 --> 01:26:19,050
and they should be on a first
name basis, the Cardinal,"

1986
01:26:19,117 --> 01:26:21,119
<i>and he said,</i>
<i>"Your name is Lenny,"</i>

1987
01:26:21,186 --> 01:26:23,154
<i>so that was improvised,</i>

1988
01:26:23,221 --> 01:26:25,156
<i>that was not in the script.</i>

1989
01:26:25,223 --> 01:26:28,726
And the Cardinal and me
being pals, which was such

1990
01:26:28,793 --> 01:26:31,461
a New York thing, you know,

1991
01:26:31,528 --> 01:26:36,668
that was Bill Murray's
inspired notion.

1992
01:26:36,734 --> 01:26:39,003
- They gave me the line about,

1993
01:26:39,070 --> 01:26:41,572
"I've seen shit
that would turn you white."

1994
01:26:41,639 --> 01:26:43,842
I think they were doing me
a favor, I'm not sure.

1995
01:26:43,908 --> 01:26:46,476
I get that a lot,
"Hey, Ernie Hudson!

1996
01:26:46,543 --> 01:26:48,445
"Say that line, you know,
in the Mayor's office,

1997
01:26:48,512 --> 01:26:50,014
you know,
you know, you know."

1998
01:26:50,081 --> 01:26:51,783
And then they won't say
the bad word

1999
01:26:51,850 --> 01:26:53,350
because they want me
to say the bad word.

2000
01:26:53,417 --> 01:26:55,887
I have seen shit
that'll turn you white.

2001
01:26:55,954 --> 01:26:59,724
I love the line that Bill
Murray has where he refers to

2002
01:26:59,791 --> 01:27:02,827
Bill Atherton as dickless,
which Bill, I'm sure,

2003
01:27:02,894 --> 01:27:06,731
has really learned to
appreciate over the years.

2004
01:27:06,798 --> 01:27:09,067
- Years later I see William
Atherton, and I say, you know,

2005
01:27:09,133 --> 01:27:11,535
uh, God, you know,
"Ghostbusters" was amazing,

2006
01:27:11,602 --> 01:27:13,004
right, I mean, you know?

2007
01:27:13,071 --> 01:27:15,405
<i>I said, I walk down the street</i>
<i>and people yell,</i>

2008
01:27:15,472 --> 01:27:17,675
<i>"Yo, Egon! Hey, Brainiac!"</i>

2009
01:27:17,742 --> 01:27:20,912
Really big effect
on all our careers, right?

2010
01:27:20,979 --> 01:27:23,047
And he said, "Yeah."

2011
01:27:23,114 --> 01:27:26,184
- I'm walking down 46th street
and the Criterion Theater's

2012
01:27:26,251 --> 01:27:29,254
there and they were--
and "Ghostbusters" was playing,

2013
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:30,989
and all these buses
are out in front

2014
01:27:31,055 --> 01:27:33,390
and all the kids
are coming in from camp.

2015
01:27:33,457 --> 01:27:35,126
<i>So I'm walking by the buses</i>

2016
01:27:35,193 --> 01:27:37,161
<i>and about</i>
<i>800 really young kids</i>

2017
01:27:37,228 --> 01:27:40,999
<i>leaning out the window, going,</i>
<i>"Hey, dickless!"</i>

2018
01:27:41,065 --> 01:27:43,101
[laughing]

2019
01:27:43,167 --> 01:27:45,737
- Not so good for Bill.
- Then I started to laugh

2020
01:27:45,803 --> 01:27:49,539
because, um, it wasn't true.

2021
01:27:49,606 --> 01:27:51,075
- Gratefully,
Mr. President.

2022
01:27:51,142 --> 01:27:53,778
- It was kind of like Barnum
and Bailey, they were like,

2023
01:27:53,845 --> 01:27:56,147
we were all grounded in the
room, there were a lot of us,

2024
01:27:56,214 --> 01:27:59,583
we were all yelling, and we
just--I remember Bill just

2025
01:27:59,651 --> 01:28:03,054
kind of riffing and just
playing off the camera.

2026
01:28:03,121 --> 01:28:05,023
<i>It was kind of like,</i>
<i>well, you're on the Titanic</i>

2027
01:28:05,089 --> 01:28:09,160
and all of a sudden Abbott and
Costello were there, you know,

2028
01:28:09,227 --> 01:28:12,462
and what are our last minutes
on earth going to be like?

2029
01:28:12,529 --> 01:28:14,899
- I was just
going with the text.

2030
01:28:14,966 --> 01:28:17,335
<i>The text always begins</i>
<i>everything,</i>

2031
01:28:17,402 --> 01:28:20,470
<i>and there was something</i>
<i>so New York about it,</i>

2032
01:28:20,537 --> 01:28:24,175
<i>and I remember Ivan Reitman,</i>
<i>the director, suggesting that</i>

2033
01:28:24,242 --> 01:28:28,746
I do certain very broad things,
you know,

2034
01:28:28,813 --> 01:28:32,951
and I said, no, I said,
they're the comedians.

2035
01:28:33,017 --> 01:28:37,055
I should be
as realistic as possible

2036
01:28:37,121 --> 01:28:40,124
<i>because I'm the base,</i>
<i>I'm the reality base,</i>

2037
01:28:40,191 --> 01:28:42,927
I am the skeptical one.

2038
01:28:42,994 --> 01:28:46,097
I am the New Yorker,
"Who are these Ghostbusters?"

2039
01:28:46,164 --> 01:28:47,832
I mean, come on.

2040
01:28:47,899 --> 01:28:50,702
- It was a lot of fun,
but it was like throwing it all

2041
01:28:50,768 --> 01:28:53,137
up in the air and just
kind of going with it.

2042
01:28:53,204 --> 01:28:55,239
So it was terrifying
and wonderful at the same time.

2043
01:28:55,306 --> 01:29:00,111
- We had this massive location
on Central Park West between,

2044
01:29:00,178 --> 01:29:03,214
I think it was 66th and 67th
streets, and so it's also

2045
01:29:03,281 --> 01:29:06,550
where the traffic not only goes
north and south in the city

2046
01:29:06,616 --> 01:29:08,252
but east and west.

2047
01:29:08,319 --> 01:29:11,488
<i>The city, when they finally</i>
<i>realized what we wanted to do,</i>

2048
01:29:11,555 --> 01:29:13,658
<i>panicked and revoked</i>
<i>the permit.</i>

2049
01:29:13,725 --> 01:29:16,761
<i>When they did it, it was</i>
<i>the day we were shooting</i>

2050
01:29:16,828 --> 01:29:18,896
<i>at City Hall</i>
<i>and all of a sudden</i>

2051
01:29:18,963 --> 01:29:20,932
<i>we couldn't find</i>
<i>Bill or Danny,</i>

2052
01:29:20,999 --> 01:29:23,301
and for an hour we couldn't
find them.

2053
01:29:23,368 --> 01:29:28,172
And then they reappeared and
they said, "We just talked with

2054
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:31,876
Mayor Koch because we're at
City Hall," so they went to see

2055
01:29:31,943 --> 01:29:34,511
<i>the real Mayor</i>
<i>and he's gonna fix it</i>

2056
01:29:34,578 --> 01:29:35,680
<i>and we're gonna be able</i>
<i>to shoot.</i>

2057
01:29:35,747 --> 01:29:37,415
It was fantastic.

2058
01:29:37,482 --> 01:29:41,019
- The location was 55 Central
Park West, which is just

2059
01:29:41,085 --> 01:29:43,254
<i>up the street</i>
<i>from the Mayflower Hotel</i>

2060
01:29:43,321 --> 01:29:45,423
where I was staying,
so I could just

2061
01:29:45,490 --> 01:29:47,325
roll out of bed and walk
up to the set.

2062
01:29:47,392 --> 01:29:50,395
I think in the movie we changed
it to 550, which doesn't exist.

2063
01:29:50,461 --> 01:29:54,799
- And that building had
graduated color, as if you look

2064
01:29:54,866 --> 01:29:56,434
<i>at it from a crowd</i>
<i>in the park,</i>

2065
01:29:56,501 --> 01:29:59,237
<i>it starts darker and gets</i>
<i>lighter as it goes up.</i>

2066
01:29:59,303 --> 01:30:01,406
It's really a beautiful
Art Deco building.

2067
01:30:01,472 --> 01:30:03,573
- We realized that every time
we were in front of

2068
01:30:03,641 --> 01:30:05,643
the real building,
in New York, looking up,

2069
01:30:05,710 --> 01:30:07,412
we had to put a top on it.

2070
01:30:07,478 --> 01:30:09,313
<i>And then if you were</i>
<i>looking down on it,</i>

2071
01:30:09,380 --> 01:30:12,083
<i>it had to be a matte painting,</i>
<i>so there were all these ways</i>

2072
01:30:12,150 --> 01:30:13,918
we had to deal with
the top of the building.

2073
01:30:13,985 --> 01:30:17,889
- Then we had this big crowd
scene and were all the extras

2074
01:30:17,955 --> 01:30:20,258
<i>in New York, they're very</i>
<i>professional people,</i>

2075
01:30:20,324 --> 01:30:22,894
<i>it was all</i>
<i>this theater people.</i>

2076
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:24,695
<i>- And all the different kinds</i>
<i>of New Yorkers</i>

2077
01:30:24,762 --> 01:30:26,264
<i>selling t-shirts and all that,</i>
<i>it was,</i>

2078
01:30:26,330 --> 01:30:29,333
<i>it was a very</i>
<i>meaningful scene.</i>

2079
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,403
I grew up in New York and I was
born here, and I have to say

2080
01:30:32,470 --> 01:30:35,206
that I can't watch
that scene without crying,

2081
01:30:35,273 --> 01:30:37,975
just to see all the different
New Yorkers there.

2082
01:30:38,042 --> 01:30:39,410
[crowd cheering]

2083
01:30:39,477 --> 01:30:41,446
- I like that shirt.
- Ghostbusters! All right!

2084
01:30:41,512 --> 01:30:44,348
- It had been the first movie
that I did extra work on,

2085
01:30:44,415 --> 01:30:46,250
<i>I think it was four days,</i>

2086
01:30:46,317 --> 01:30:48,753
<i>there were two night shoots</i>
<i>and two day shoots.</i>

2087
01:30:48,820 --> 01:30:50,354
<i>Bill Murray</i>
<i>was a clown, he was--</i>

2088
01:30:50,421 --> 01:30:52,457
<i>came and talked to us</i>
<i>between takes.</i>

2089
01:30:52,523 --> 01:30:56,094
I was very much into the New
Romantic kind of movement,

2090
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,831
and my roommate and myself
sort of fancied

2091
01:30:59,897 --> 01:31:02,433
<i>that I looked a little bit</i>
<i>like Tom Bailey</i>

2092
01:31:02,500 --> 01:31:04,235
<i>from the Thompson Twins.</i>

2093
01:31:04,302 --> 01:31:07,305
I literally looked like
I had put a bowl on my head

2094
01:31:07,371 --> 01:31:10,441
and cut it around there
and my roommate at the time

2095
01:31:10,508 --> 01:31:13,978
would color it for me
this bright, crazy red color.

2096
01:31:14,045 --> 01:31:16,681
<i>The name of the color</i>
<i>was Red Penny.</i>

2097
01:31:16,747 --> 01:31:18,349
It was the '80s!
[laughing]

2098
01:31:18,416 --> 01:31:20,318
- What was interesting
about the movie is

2099
01:31:20,384 --> 01:31:23,955
<i>we kind of had to do</i>
<i>the ending first.</i>

2100
01:31:24,021 --> 01:31:25,857
- John DeCuir
designed the set piece,

2101
01:31:25,923 --> 01:31:27,792
<i>this sort of post-wreckage.</i>

2102
01:31:27,859 --> 01:31:30,428
<i>- We never broke ground</i>
<i>in Manhattan.</i>

2103
01:31:30,495 --> 01:31:33,264
In other words, we had
a street, couldn't dig a hole.

2104
01:31:33,331 --> 01:31:36,434
So when you see the scenes
where there's a half a cop car

2105
01:31:36,501 --> 01:31:39,237
<i>in a hole and a bunch of</i>
<i>cement coming up, whatever,</i>

2106
01:31:39,303 --> 01:31:42,240
<i>that's all built above ground,</i>
<i>and it worked perfectly.</i>

2107
01:31:42,306 --> 01:31:44,542
And the amazing thing is
New Yorkers who were going by

2108
01:31:44,609 --> 01:31:46,177
thought it was real.

2109
01:31:46,244 --> 01:31:48,146
- And the person who was
meeting me for brunch

2110
01:31:48,212 --> 01:31:50,047
<i>came in and said, "Are</i>
<i>you guys shooting here?</i>

2111
01:31:50,114 --> 01:31:51,983
"You got a real problem because
there's been some sort of

2112
01:31:52,049 --> 01:31:53,918
<i>"cave-in on the street,</i>
<i>the police are here,</i>

2113
01:31:53,985 --> 01:31:55,720
<i>I don't know how you're gonna</i>
<i>be able to shoot."</i>

2114
01:31:55,786 --> 01:31:57,288
So I thought, well,
that looks realistic.

2115
01:31:57,355 --> 01:31:59,891
- We discovered how you could
paralyze New York

2116
01:31:59,957 --> 01:32:02,627
by chopping two trees down
at the right place.

2117
01:32:02,693 --> 01:32:04,262
- [laughing]

2118
01:32:04,328 --> 01:32:07,131
- We had to stop the traffic,
move the set dressing out,

2119
01:32:07,198 --> 01:32:10,902
<i>shoot two takes,</i>
<i>put the set dressing on,</i>

2120
01:32:10,968 --> 01:32:12,904
<i>open up the traffic.</i>

2121
01:32:12,970 --> 01:32:15,406
- Closed New York down,
that whole section,

2122
01:32:15,473 --> 01:32:17,275
it was a nightmare.

2123
01:32:17,341 --> 01:32:20,578
- The horns were honking
back to infinity, I mean...

2124
01:32:20,646 --> 01:32:23,314
- I was thinking, my God, they
really were able to do this.

2125
01:32:23,381 --> 01:32:26,584
Who's the location manager
for this? Who has he bribed?

2126
01:32:26,652 --> 01:32:27,952
This is New York.

2127
01:32:28,019 --> 01:32:30,888
Who's just got a lot of money?
You know?

2128
01:32:30,955 --> 01:32:33,124
Somebody's done
very well for this.

2129
01:32:33,191 --> 01:32:36,027
- At one point
we shut down traffic

2130
01:32:36,093 --> 01:32:38,196
in three-fourths of Manhattan.

2131
01:32:38,262 --> 01:32:40,731
<i>The traffic would back up all</i>
<i>the way across Central Park</i>

2132
01:32:40,798 --> 01:32:44,135
<i>to the East Side and all the</i>
<i>way down to Columbus Circle,</i>

2133
01:32:44,202 --> 01:32:46,571
<i>which would then create a</i>
<i>traffic jam on Eighth Avenue,</i>

2134
01:32:46,638 --> 01:32:49,240
<i>Broadway and Seventh Avenue</i>
<i>and 59th Street,</i>

2135
01:32:49,307 --> 01:32:52,210
<i>which are major</i>
<i>traffic arteries.</i>

2136
01:32:52,276 --> 01:32:56,480
So people down past 35th Street
in Manhattan would be stopped

2137
01:32:56,547 --> 01:32:58,849
<i>for no reason</i>
<i>they could figure out.</i>

2138
01:32:58,916 --> 01:33:01,352
The word would spread out,
"Ghostbusters."

2139
01:33:01,419 --> 01:33:03,187
<i>[videogame music]</i>

2140
01:33:03,254 --> 01:33:05,590
- So what John DeCuir did,
quite brilliantly,

2141
01:33:05,657 --> 01:33:09,126
is back in LA reproduced
the front of the building.

2142
01:33:09,193 --> 01:33:11,128
<i>- The front of Sigourney's</i>
<i>building on the street level</i>

2143
01:33:11,195 --> 01:33:15,566
was just incredible because it
was made to vibrate and shake

2144
01:33:15,634 --> 01:33:16,901
<i>as if it's in an earthquake.</i>

2145
01:33:16,968 --> 01:33:20,204
- And we had a big pit
with hydraulic lifts.

2146
01:33:20,271 --> 01:33:24,008
- So that whole sections
of pavement would tilt up.

2147
01:33:24,075 --> 01:33:26,510
<i>- And then we just</i>
<i>had to match it.</i>

2148
01:33:26,577 --> 01:33:29,013
- The idea of a rooftop temple
came to us--we didn't really

2149
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,115
know where the final
confrontation was gonna

2150
01:33:31,182 --> 01:33:34,552
take place and I remembered
a book called

2151
01:33:34,619 --> 01:33:36,053
<i>"Rooftops of New York,"</i>

2152
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:39,090
<i>and New York has the most</i>
<i>extraordinary rooftops--</i>

2153
01:33:39,156 --> 01:33:41,459
<i>there's temples and there's</i>
<i>chateaus, you know,</i>

2154
01:33:41,525 --> 01:33:43,961
architects--it was
a little conceit, I guess,

2155
01:33:44,028 --> 01:33:46,464
during the great era
of the skyscraper building,

2156
01:33:46,530 --> 01:33:49,267
was to put something
kind of interesting on top.

2157
01:33:49,333 --> 01:33:51,202
<i>And I remembered</i>
<i>a skyscraper in St. Louis,</i>

2158
01:33:51,269 --> 01:33:53,771
<i>where I went to college,</i>
<i>that had a replica of</i>

2159
01:33:53,838 --> 01:33:55,539
<i>the Temple of Halicarnassus,</i>

2160
01:33:55,606 --> 01:33:57,709
<i>one of the wonders</i>
<i>of the ancient world.</i>

2161
01:33:57,775 --> 01:34:00,712
So I thought, well, why can't we
have this incredible rooftop,

2162
01:34:00,778 --> 01:34:05,850
you know, as the setting,
and it looks like a mock temple

2163
01:34:05,916 --> 01:34:07,852
but turns out to be
a real temple.

2164
01:34:07,918 --> 01:34:10,254
- John DeCuir liked to build.

2165
01:34:10,321 --> 01:34:12,256
<i>John DeCuir</i>
<i>really liked to build.</i>

2166
01:34:12,323 --> 01:34:14,760
<i>John DeCuir had built</i>
<i>half of Rome</i>

2167
01:34:14,825 --> 01:34:16,861
<i>three times for "Cleopatra."</i>

2168
01:34:16,927 --> 01:34:18,529
<i>He liked to build.</i>

2169
01:34:18,596 --> 01:34:21,932
This didn't frighten Ivan,
it frightened me.

2170
01:34:21,999 --> 01:34:24,402
- It was his design
of the gates, you know,

2171
01:34:24,468 --> 01:34:27,271
<i>and what happened at the top</i>
<i>of the building.</i>

2172
01:34:27,338 --> 01:34:29,607
<i>None of that was really clear</i>
<i>in the screenplay.</i>

2173
01:34:29,675 --> 01:34:32,977
<i>We had ideas of sort of stuff</i>
<i>going on and gargoyles</i>

2174
01:34:33,044 --> 01:34:34,680
<i>at the top of the building,</i>

2175
01:34:34,746 --> 01:34:38,282
but he was able to bring it all
together very quickly.

2176
01:34:38,349 --> 01:34:42,420
- So Ivan, on one hand
didn't want to spend the money

2177
01:34:42,486 --> 01:34:45,189
that John DeCuir
wanted to spend to build,

2178
01:34:45,256 --> 01:34:49,193
on the other hand, Ivan hated
having to depend on how

2179
01:34:49,260 --> 01:34:51,697
those special effects locked
him down so he couldn't turn

2180
01:34:51,763 --> 01:34:54,899
the camera around because every
time it's another effects shot.

2181
01:34:54,965 --> 01:34:56,467
<i>If he could build it,</i>

2182
01:34:56,534 --> 01:34:58,704
<i>it gave him a lot more freedom</i>
<i>in shooting.</i>

2183
01:34:58,770 --> 01:35:00,639
- And the freedom was
very important with people

2184
01:35:00,706 --> 01:35:04,810
like Dan Aykroyd, Harold Ramis,
Bill Murray,

2185
01:35:04,875 --> 01:35:09,748
these remarkable,
inventive actor-writers.

2186
01:35:09,815 --> 01:35:12,751
- And there was so much shooting
to be done up there, Ivan felt

2187
01:35:12,818 --> 01:35:15,821
<i>if we could build this thing,</i>
<i>throw in some razzle dazzle,</i>

2188
01:35:15,886 --> 01:35:18,889
<i>special effects later, if we</i>
<i>could build the heart of it</i>

2189
01:35:18,956 --> 01:35:20,324
<i>so I could shoot from</i>
<i>all angles,</i>

2190
01:35:20,391 --> 01:35:23,361
and John DeCuir
took on that challenge.

2191
01:35:23,427 --> 01:35:25,930
<i>- It was in one of the largest</i>
<i>stages in Los Angeles,</i>

2192
01:35:25,996 --> 01:35:28,700
<i>Stage 16 on the Burbank lot.</i>

2193
01:35:28,767 --> 01:35:30,802
Shelly Kahn, actually, the
editor, once told me a story

2194
01:35:30,868 --> 01:35:32,370
and I didn't believe him,

2195
01:35:32,436 --> 01:35:34,872
where he said, you know,
that stage got so big because

2196
01:35:34,939 --> 01:35:37,441
<i>William Randolph Hearst was</i>
<i>doing a movie and they took</i>

2197
01:35:37,508 --> 01:35:38,976
<i>an existing stage</i>
<i>and they lifted it up</i>

2198
01:35:39,043 --> 01:35:40,578
and built underneath it,

2199
01:35:40,645 --> 01:35:42,546
and I thought, this is the
silliest story I ever heard,

2200
01:35:42,613 --> 01:35:44,882
and then about two days later
and I was watching a documentary

2201
01:35:44,949 --> 01:35:47,618
on television about Hearst
and it showed them doing it,

2202
01:35:47,686 --> 01:35:50,655
there was newsreel footage
of them lifting this stage

2203
01:35:50,722 --> 01:35:52,523
<i>and making it a story higher.</i>

2204
01:35:52,590 --> 01:35:55,526
- <i>This tremendous sound stage</i>
<i>is too small to hold the big</i>

2205
01:35:55,593 --> 01:35:58,663
<i>ensembles planned by Warner</i>
<i>Brothers for "Cain and Mabel,"</i>

2206
01:35:58,730 --> 01:36:00,097
<i>a new musical production,</i>

2207
01:36:00,164 --> 01:36:02,834
<i>so they're making it</i>
<i>35 feet higher.</i>

2208
01:36:02,900 --> 01:36:06,937
- So now the stage is 96 feet
taller and he filled that--

2209
01:36:07,004 --> 01:36:09,206
that set went right to the top.

2210
01:36:09,273 --> 01:36:11,643
- The first time we walked on
that set was like, wow,

2211
01:36:11,710 --> 01:36:14,245
<i>really spent some money</i>
<i>on this thing.</i>

2212
01:36:14,311 --> 01:36:16,414
<i>- Even Steven Spielberg</i>
<i>came down to look at this set,</i>

2213
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:18,382
<i>which was very unusual</i>
<i>because he was used to</i>

2214
01:36:18,449 --> 01:36:20,484
working on his own
humungous stages.

2215
01:36:20,551 --> 01:36:23,087
- I've got a press release
for the set,

2216
01:36:23,154 --> 01:36:24,823
<i>I mean,</i>
<i>it was an amazing set.</i>

2217
01:36:24,890 --> 01:36:27,358
<i>- That was a peak day, to look</i>
<i>at what they built and it</i>

2218
01:36:27,425 --> 01:36:29,527
just got me,
you could write anything

2219
01:36:29,593 --> 01:36:31,228
and they'll build it,
huh, yeah.

2220
01:36:31,295 --> 01:36:33,164
All it takes
is time and money.

2221
01:36:33,230 --> 01:36:36,333
- Man, I've never seen anything
so ambitious in a movie,

2222
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,370
I mean, it was so beautiful,
first of all, and I thought,

2223
01:36:39,437 --> 01:36:41,807
<i>wow, I'm really</i>
<i>in a movie here, you know?</i>

2224
01:36:41,873 --> 01:36:44,275
- I just remember climbing up
because we had to shoot

2225
01:36:44,341 --> 01:36:46,610
<i>some of the electricity plates</i>
<i>and climbing up,</i>

2226
01:36:46,678 --> 01:36:48,345
<i>like, a wooden ladder.</i>

2227
01:36:48,412 --> 01:36:50,649
<i>It was initials and dates,</i>
<i>and I said, oh, if you're</i>

2228
01:36:50,715 --> 01:36:53,451
up here to you get to carve
your initials and dates?

2229
01:36:53,517 --> 01:36:55,619
And the person, the stagehand,
who'd take us up gave us

2230
01:36:55,687 --> 01:36:58,289
this huge, dirty look
and he said, "You know, those,

2231
01:36:58,355 --> 01:37:00,224
<i>"those are initials of people</i>
<i>that have fallen</i>

2232
01:37:00,291 --> 01:37:02,694
<i>out of the perms."</i>

2233
01:37:02,761 --> 01:37:06,297
- So it was a very big set,
filling up a stage,

2234
01:37:06,363 --> 01:37:08,065
<i>there was almost</i>
<i>no room to move.</i>

2235
01:37:08,132 --> 01:37:11,168
<i>On top of that, we were always</i>
<i>smoking it up and adding wind,</i>

2236
01:37:11,235 --> 01:37:14,706
so it was a desperate place
to be sometimes.

2237
01:37:21,713 --> 01:37:23,514
<i>[eerie music,</i>
<i>loud footsteps thumping]</i>

2238
01:37:23,581 --> 01:37:25,115
- They wanted to bring
the Statue of Liberty

2239
01:37:25,182 --> 01:37:26,617
out of the East River,
for one thing,

2240
01:37:26,685 --> 01:37:29,320
<i>which they wound up</i>
<i>doing in the second one,</i>

2241
01:37:29,386 --> 01:37:32,022
and instead it was
the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man.

2242
01:37:32,089 --> 01:37:34,124
- Yeah, I mean, come on,
the Marshmallow Man--

2243
01:37:34,191 --> 01:37:38,028
I don't even know how Danny
thought that up.

2244
01:37:38,095 --> 01:37:40,665
- Stay Puft Marshmallow Man
was there from the beginning.

2245
01:37:40,732 --> 01:37:43,735
<i>- The Marshmallow Man occurred</i>
<i>halfway through Dan's</i>

2246
01:37:43,802 --> 01:37:46,437
original draft and things got
bigger from there.

2247
01:37:46,504 --> 01:37:48,405
- When I actually
started on the picture,

2248
01:37:48,472 --> 01:37:51,442
<i>there was a number of drawings</i>
<i>done already.</i>

2249
01:37:51,509 --> 01:37:54,044
<i>So there was kind of an idea.</i>

2250
01:37:54,111 --> 01:37:56,948
<i>We know he's a sailor, we were</i>
<i>going with the idea of a guy</i>

2251
01:37:57,014 --> 01:38:00,719
<i>in a suit, which I think made</i>
<i>Ivan really nervous.</i>

2252
01:38:00,785 --> 01:38:04,588
- Linda Frobos had gotten
a job on "Ghostbusters,"

2253
01:38:04,656 --> 01:38:05,924
she was sculpting,

2254
01:38:05,991 --> 01:38:11,195
and they asked her if she knew
someone who could build

2255
01:38:11,262 --> 01:38:13,732
a Marshmallow Man and play it.

2256
01:38:13,798 --> 01:38:18,937
<i>She knew I'd done Shakespeare,</i>
<i>so it was an obvious lock.</i>

2257
01:38:19,004 --> 01:38:20,639
The drawings
were already done.

2258
01:38:20,705 --> 01:38:24,009
<i>The designer's head developed</i>
<i>images and they knew</i>

2259
01:38:24,074 --> 01:38:27,846
<i>how they wanted it to look,</i>
<i>they had me do some maquettes.</i>

2260
01:38:27,913 --> 01:38:30,114
- The sculpting made it
look kind of silly

2261
01:38:30,180 --> 01:38:34,051
and we made it fatter, I mean,
we thought the fatter it was,

2262
01:38:34,118 --> 01:38:36,821
<i>the funnier it got.</i>

2263
01:38:36,888 --> 01:38:41,492
- And the first suit that we
made was soft foam throughout.

2264
01:38:41,559 --> 01:38:43,728
<i>The whole crew was</i>
<i>very excited</i>

2265
01:38:43,795 --> 01:38:46,597
<i>about that first test</i>
<i>because it was</i>

2266
01:38:46,665 --> 01:38:49,834
80 percent there, but there was
one little problem that

2267
01:38:49,901 --> 01:38:53,571
as it walked toward the camera,
my legs were squeezing

2268
01:38:53,638 --> 01:38:56,841
<i>the foam together</i>
<i>and it looked like a vagina.</i>

2269
01:38:56,908 --> 01:38:58,609
We had to change that,

2270
01:38:58,677 --> 01:39:04,448
so we spent some time thinking
about ways to firm it up.

2271
01:39:04,515 --> 01:39:08,619
John Bird came in as a
consultant and he recommended

2272
01:39:08,687 --> 01:39:11,322
<i>that we make</i>
<i>a fiberglass body,</i>

2273
01:39:11,388 --> 01:39:14,558
and that frightened me--
I didn't want it to be

2274
01:39:14,625 --> 01:39:17,963
a fiberglass body, I didn't
want to wear a fiberglass body,

2275
01:39:18,029 --> 01:39:21,165
I didn't want to have to have my
arms straight out to the side,

2276
01:39:21,231 --> 01:39:24,101
cutting on the edges
and things like that.

2277
01:39:24,168 --> 01:39:25,704
So I worked with
some other foams

2278
01:39:25,770 --> 01:39:28,405
<i>and we got some</i>
<i>and we developed it.</i>

2279
01:39:28,472 --> 01:39:33,110
The L200 internal structure
that we eventually used,

2280
01:39:33,177 --> 01:39:34,713
that was the right one.

2281
01:39:34,779 --> 01:39:38,315
- We showed the test that we all
thought was great, but remember,

2282
01:39:38,382 --> 01:39:42,821
this was like a Styrofoam,
yellow foam caked suit

2283
01:39:42,887 --> 01:39:45,824
with the head on it,
which wasn't painted,

2284
01:39:45,890 --> 01:39:48,525
it wasn't finished
to look like marshmallow,

2285
01:39:48,592 --> 01:39:51,295
<i>and that's when Ivan said,</i>
<i>"I can't believe it.</i>

2286
01:39:51,362 --> 01:39:54,766
<i>I'm basing my whole movie</i>
<i>on this thing."</i>

2287
01:39:54,833 --> 01:39:57,736
I remember he was nervous a lot
of the time because nobody

2288
01:39:57,802 --> 01:39:59,104
had ever done
anything like this.

2289
01:39:59,169 --> 01:40:02,272
- It was risking a joke
on something very different,

2290
01:40:02,339 --> 01:40:03,975
and though his career
wouldn't end,

2291
01:40:04,042 --> 01:40:06,945
but he would be judged by it
if it didn't work.

2292
01:40:07,012 --> 01:40:09,748
- It's either gonna work or
we're never gonna work again.

2293
01:40:09,814 --> 01:40:13,118
- There was only weeks before
doing it in which we were going,

2294
01:40:13,183 --> 01:40:16,921
crossing our fingers, saying,
let's hope this works,

2295
01:40:16,988 --> 01:40:19,057
because if it doesn't work...

2296
01:40:19,124 --> 01:40:22,626
- And I gotta give him credit,
they're committed,

2297
01:40:22,694 --> 01:40:25,496
it's gotta work.

2298
01:40:25,562 --> 01:40:27,231
- There was a discussion
about how big

2299
01:40:27,297 --> 01:40:29,199
should the Marshmallow Man be?
- Yeah. [laughs]

2300
01:40:29,266 --> 01:40:31,069
- We really--it was
a big mystery, you know,

2301
01:40:31,136 --> 01:40:33,437
how big the Marshmallow Man was
supposed to be and going to be.

2302
01:40:33,504 --> 01:40:35,339
- 150 feet, 200 feet.

2303
01:40:35,406 --> 01:40:37,976
- Somebody had said 125
and somebody had said 100.

2304
01:40:38,043 --> 01:40:39,376
- You know, Ivan just said,

2305
01:40:39,443 --> 01:40:41,311
"Okay, I'll tell you
how tall he is.

2306
01:40:41,378 --> 01:40:45,083
He's 112.5 feet,
that's how tall, that's it."

2307
01:40:45,150 --> 01:40:46,751
- When you get artists
together,

2308
01:40:46,818 --> 01:40:48,920
you just start to
work off each other,

2309
01:40:48,987 --> 01:40:51,122
<i>which is the beauty of</i>
<i>Team Marshmallow Man.</i>

2310
01:40:51,221 --> 01:40:54,358
<i>We had Linda Frobos, who did</i>
<i>most of the sculpting of</i>

2311
01:40:54,425 --> 01:40:57,028
<i>the faces, and then myself</i>

2312
01:40:57,095 --> 01:41:00,431
<i>and a couple of other</i>
<i>really great folks</i>

2313
01:41:00,497 --> 01:41:04,035
that were to assist Bill
in the construction of it.

2314
01:41:04,102 --> 01:41:07,371
- And there were just
these sheets of foam,

2315
01:41:07,438 --> 01:41:09,239
just big sheets of foam.

2316
01:41:09,306 --> 01:41:12,844
<i>People were cutting the foam,</i>
<i>they were drawing out lines,</i>

2317
01:41:12,911 --> 01:41:15,046
<i>and they were cutting them</i>
<i>in specific angles</i>

2318
01:41:15,113 --> 01:41:17,782
<i>to get the right,</i>
<i>you know, spheres,</i>

2319
01:41:17,849 --> 01:41:20,085
<i>so it's almost like</i>
<i>pattern making,</i>

2320
01:41:20,151 --> 01:41:21,853
like you pattern make a dress.

2321
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:25,322
- It had to have a zipper
so that the performer could get

2322
01:41:25,389 --> 01:41:28,727
in and out, so the zipper was
always on the off-camera side

2323
01:41:28,793 --> 01:41:32,697
<i>so that at any angle that</i>
<i>they shot, he looked seamless.</i>

2324
01:41:32,764 --> 01:41:34,598
<i>- So there were all these</i>
<i>multiple suits</i>

2325
01:41:34,666 --> 01:41:36,433
<i>and there were layers</i>
<i>and layers of foam,</i>

2326
01:41:36,500 --> 01:41:38,036
which when people were
exhausted,

2327
01:41:38,103 --> 01:41:39,137
they would go and sleep on,

2328
01:41:39,204 --> 01:41:41,840
I guess we'd been
working all night.

2329
01:41:41,906 --> 01:41:44,642
- I looked out through
the mouth, so it was about

2330
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:47,712
<i>6-1/2 feet tall</i>
<i>because I'm only 5'8."</i>

2331
01:41:47,779 --> 01:41:49,613
If I were taller I would have
had to use more foam.

2332
01:41:49,681 --> 01:41:52,249
- The inside of the real head
was made out of fiberglass

2333
01:41:52,316 --> 01:41:55,252
and there would've been the
eyes in those and mechanisms,

2334
01:41:55,319 --> 01:41:57,521
<i>you know, to make</i>
<i>the cheeks go up</i>

2335
01:41:57,588 --> 01:41:59,157
<i>or maybe make the mouth open.</i>

2336
01:41:59,224 --> 01:42:00,725
<i>- The really fun thing was</i>

2337
01:42:00,792 --> 01:42:03,427
<i>I puppeteered</i>
<i>the Stay Puft Man's mouth,</i>

2338
01:42:03,494 --> 01:42:05,797
so that was the really
coolest job.

2339
01:42:05,864 --> 01:42:09,768
- <i>Discovery face,</i>
<i>eyes to the right.</i>

2340
01:42:09,834 --> 01:42:14,105
<i>One and two and three and go.</i>

2341
01:42:14,172 --> 01:42:16,174
<i>[laughter]</i>

2342
01:42:16,241 --> 01:42:19,944
<i>- There was a foam spring belt</i>
<i>inside that, when I moved,</i>

2343
01:42:20,011 --> 01:42:24,749
there was a little bit of action
transferred to the outside.

2344
01:42:24,816 --> 01:42:27,886
- I was always talking with
the DPs about, you know,

2345
01:42:27,952 --> 01:42:32,223
how to make sure that
that Stay Puft Man...

2346
01:42:32,289 --> 01:42:33,658
loft looked just right.

2347
01:42:33,725 --> 01:42:35,693
- The direction is, "We need
you to look really heavy

2348
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,729
"because you're really big,
but really light

2349
01:42:37,796 --> 01:42:39,596
because you're a marshmallow,"
so I said, what?

2350
01:42:39,664 --> 01:42:44,235
- As I was walking, I would
say, "Boom, boom, boom,"

2351
01:42:44,301 --> 01:42:48,405
in order to time it properly,
you know, and we were

2352
01:42:48,472 --> 01:42:52,076
<i>over-cranking so that when</i>
<i>played back it looked slower.</i>

2353
01:42:52,143 --> 01:42:55,847
<i>They would tell me how fast</i>
<i>they needed it, take that down</i>

2354
01:42:55,914 --> 01:42:59,851
by X percentage and then
I'd try to translate that

2355
01:42:59,918 --> 01:43:02,887
into a version of
"Boom, boom, boom."

2356
01:43:02,954 --> 01:43:05,089
<i>- Filmed this guy</i>
<i>at 72 frames a second</i>

2357
01:43:05,156 --> 01:43:07,192
<i>where we ended up</i>
<i>with something that</i>

2358
01:43:07,258 --> 01:43:11,930
an animation walk cycle
called a double bounce walk,

2359
01:43:11,996 --> 01:43:13,965
<i>something that</i>
<i>Mickey Mouse did.</i>

2360
01:43:14,032 --> 01:43:18,569
It looked really silly,
sort of...

2361
01:43:18,636 --> 01:43:20,271
sort of a '30s cartoon thing.

2362
01:43:20,337 --> 01:43:23,540
- When we were in the thick
of it and deadline was just

2363
01:43:23,607 --> 01:43:25,844
coming down and it was
very stressful, like,

2364
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:27,611
are we gonna make it,
are we gonna make it?

2365
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:30,048
<i>I'm driving down Crescent</i>
<i>Heights towards Sunset</i>

2366
01:43:30,114 --> 01:43:33,417
<i>and I see a "Ghostbusters"</i>
<i>billboard,</i>

2367
01:43:33,483 --> 01:43:38,022
and the date that it's gonna
open is in, like, 3 1/2 weeks

2368
01:43:38,089 --> 01:43:41,192
or three weeks, maybe, I don't
know, it was really soon,

2369
01:43:41,259 --> 01:43:44,262
and we still hadn't shot
the street scene, we still

2370
01:43:44,329 --> 01:43:46,931
<i>hadn't shot Stay Puft</i>
<i>on fire, and I'm pretty sure</i>

2371
01:43:46,998 --> 01:43:49,100
<i>we hadn't shot the building</i>
<i>blowing up,</i>

2372
01:43:49,167 --> 01:43:51,501
and there was the billboard
and it was like,

2373
01:43:51,568 --> 01:43:54,172
how is that gonna happen?

2374
01:43:54,239 --> 01:43:58,009
- I was afraid it was gonna be
ridiculously hot inside

2375
01:43:58,076 --> 01:44:03,848
the suit, and it was,
except that because

2376
01:44:03,915 --> 01:44:08,353
it was hollow and flexible,
when I waved my arms,

2377
01:44:08,418 --> 01:44:11,089
I got air in and out
of my mouth.

2378
01:44:11,155 --> 01:44:15,093
- Imagine that you got a big
sheet of foam

2379
01:44:15,159 --> 01:44:16,560
like in your mattress

2380
01:44:16,627 --> 01:44:20,965
<i>and you have to live in there</i>
<i>under hot, hot, hot lights,</i>

2381
01:44:21,032 --> 01:44:24,401
<i>and it's a giant foam thing</i>
<i>and then you have to walk</i>

2382
01:44:24,468 --> 01:44:25,937
<i>and sort of dance in it,</i>

2383
01:44:26,004 --> 01:44:28,206
and you have to do that
over and over and over again

2384
01:44:28,273 --> 01:44:32,476
and it's foam and you sweat
and you're inside this thing

2385
01:44:32,542 --> 01:44:34,312
day after day after day.

2386
01:44:34,379 --> 01:44:37,882
<i>- Look at some of</i>
<i>the backstage photos,</i>

2387
01:44:37,949 --> 01:44:41,418
sometimes you'll see my--my
assistants like this.

2388
01:44:41,485 --> 01:44:42,987
[laughs]

2389
01:44:43,054 --> 01:44:46,758
- And Bill was a very
well kempt guy,

2390
01:44:46,824 --> 01:44:49,260
you know, but... you know.

2391
01:44:49,327 --> 01:44:52,163
- So there's a scene of me
going, ooh, dear, you know,

2392
01:44:52,230 --> 01:44:54,666
like this, like pretending
it's really bad, really foul,

2393
01:44:54,732 --> 01:44:56,167
<i>but it wasn't.</i>

2394
01:44:56,234 --> 01:44:57,702
<i>- He would take that</i>
<i>"Ghostbusters" head off</i>

2395
01:44:57,769 --> 01:45:00,305
and it was like, whoo, baby!

2396
01:45:00,371 --> 01:45:02,774
<i>And they did actually</i>
<i>some really great things</i>

2397
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:04,809
<i>on "Ghostbusters" where they</i>
<i>made it safe for him</i>

2398
01:45:04,876 --> 01:45:07,679
<i>by putting air conditioning,</i>
<i>like, literally we would</i>

2399
01:45:07,745 --> 01:45:11,548
shove an air conditioning tube
up his butt, you know,

2400
01:45:11,615 --> 01:45:13,751
to make sure that he was cool
inside the suit.

2401
01:45:13,818 --> 01:45:17,188
- So the interesting thing,
for me, about the size

2402
01:45:17,255 --> 01:45:21,192
of the Marshmallow Man
was setting the scale of

2403
01:45:21,259 --> 01:45:23,161
<i>the miniature so we could</i>

2404
01:45:23,227 --> 01:45:25,196
<i>build the environment</i>
<i>around him.</i>

2405
01:45:25,263 --> 01:45:27,665
<i>We built a miniature</i>
<i>of Central Park West</i>

2406
01:45:27,732 --> 01:45:30,134
with the road and a bit
of park beside it

2407
01:45:30,201 --> 01:45:32,236
for the Marshmallow Man
to march up.

2408
01:45:32,303 --> 01:45:35,039
- And there was a split down
the middle of that set

2409
01:45:35,106 --> 01:45:38,042
<i>and it was a big set,</i>
<i>very long street set,</i>

2410
01:45:38,109 --> 01:45:40,812
<i>and so as Bill walked down</i>
<i>that street,</i>

2411
01:45:40,878 --> 01:45:44,649
the cables followed him,
and we were pushed

2412
01:45:44,716 --> 01:45:48,152
underneath the stage
on a little wooden dolly

2413
01:45:48,219 --> 01:45:50,188
<i>that they'd made for us</i>
<i>with a monitor</i>

2414
01:45:50,254 --> 01:45:52,256
<i>that also</i>
<i>had the cable running down,</i>

2415
01:45:52,323 --> 01:45:55,893
<i>and we were puppeteering</i>
<i>as they rolled us down.</i>

2416
01:45:55,960 --> 01:46:00,865
<i>So it was very sort of</i>
<i>low-tech, did the job and it,</i>

2417
01:46:00,932 --> 01:46:03,134
<i>quite frankly, is one of</i>
<i>my favorite movie memories,</i>

2418
01:46:03,201 --> 01:46:06,070
<i>I think, because there we</i>
<i>were, you had your monitor,</i>

2419
01:46:06,137 --> 01:46:09,007
it was happening above you
and you could hear Bill

2420
01:46:09,073 --> 01:46:13,778
stepping above you and, and you
could see it and you were,

2421
01:46:13,845 --> 01:46:15,680
you know, puppeteering
and you really felt like

2422
01:46:15,747 --> 01:46:18,783
you were in it,
and somebody was pushing you.

2423
01:46:18,850 --> 01:46:20,550
It was just--it was fun,
you know?

2424
01:46:20,617 --> 01:46:23,121
- There was a storyboard that
was originally drawn for it

2425
01:46:23,187 --> 01:46:25,289
that showed a police car
getting crushed

2426
01:46:25,356 --> 01:46:27,859
<i>and we were ready to do that</i>
<i>and we had actually started</i>

2427
01:46:27,925 --> 01:46:29,327
<i>on that but decided</i>
<i>not to do it.</i>

2428
01:46:29,394 --> 01:46:32,063
<i>We were also joking about</i>
<i>maybe the Marshmallow Man</i>

2429
01:46:32,130 --> 01:46:33,530
<i>could pick up his foot</i>
<i>and you'd see</i>

2430
01:46:33,597 --> 01:46:35,099
the squashed police car
embedded

2431
01:46:35,166 --> 01:46:36,801
<i>in the bottom</i>
<i>of his foot, you know,</i>

2432
01:46:36,868 --> 01:46:38,369
<i>it would've been</i>
<i>kind of funny.</i>

2433
01:46:38,436 --> 01:46:40,171
[people screaming]

2434
01:46:40,238 --> 01:46:42,306
The only time I could really
remember in my career

2435
01:46:42,373 --> 01:46:45,176
where the production designer
of the film--in this case

2436
01:46:45,243 --> 01:46:48,946
John DeCuir--provided
construction drawings of

2437
01:46:49,013 --> 01:46:53,051
the miniatures to be built and
it was up to us to create it,

2438
01:46:53,117 --> 01:46:55,319
<i>and we had to create</i>
<i>the upper two-thirds of it</i>

2439
01:46:55,386 --> 01:46:57,255
<i>but we didn't build it down</i>
<i>to the ground--</i>

2440
01:46:57,321 --> 01:46:59,623
enough for the Marshmallow Man
to climb on, basically.

2441
01:46:59,690 --> 01:47:03,294
- And you look in the window
and you can see--actually they

2442
01:47:03,361 --> 01:47:05,430
had characters in there
and they were doing

2443
01:47:05,496 --> 01:47:06,664
very interesting things.

2444
01:47:06,731 --> 01:47:08,166
- And if you look
in this window,

2445
01:47:08,232 --> 01:47:10,068
you could see two people
gettin' it on.

2446
01:47:10,134 --> 01:47:12,170
If you look over here, look at
that, look what's in there!

2447
01:47:12,236 --> 01:47:15,840
We got a picture of... the
agent that they hate the most,

2448
01:47:15,907 --> 01:47:17,408
his picture's in the window,

2449
01:47:17,475 --> 01:47:19,177
"That's the part that's
gonna blow up first!"

2450
01:47:19,243 --> 01:47:24,816
- It is a moment that we all,
in those days, looked for.

2451
01:47:24,882 --> 01:47:27,617
Our own little private
set decoration moment.

2452
01:47:27,685 --> 01:47:29,320
- No, you can't see it on film,

2453
01:47:29,387 --> 01:47:32,156
but that's how they got
a lot of the pressure off.

2454
01:47:32,223 --> 01:47:35,293
- Well, during
the earliest phases,

2455
01:47:35,359 --> 01:47:37,895
<i>I was hoping that</i>
<i>we weren't really</i>

2456
01:47:37,962 --> 01:47:39,464
<i>going to have to burn</i>
<i>the suit.</i>

2457
01:47:39,530 --> 01:47:40,998
<i>I thought there's going to be</i>

2458
01:47:41,065 --> 01:47:43,501
<i>some artificial way</i>
<i>that we could simulate it.</i>

2459
01:47:43,568 --> 01:47:47,238
Richard kept saying, "No,
we're gonna light it on fire,

2460
01:47:47,305 --> 01:47:49,040
what do you think?"

2461
01:47:49,107 --> 01:47:53,377
<i>Now, I didn't do the burns,</i>
<i>we had stuntmen.</i>

2462
01:47:53,444 --> 01:47:58,950
We only made 18 costumes
and we only burnt 17 of them.

2463
01:47:59,016 --> 01:48:02,920
- Thaine Morris had come up
with some sort of scalable fire

2464
01:48:02,987 --> 01:48:05,089
that only lasted
for two seconds.

2465
01:48:05,156 --> 01:48:08,526
- I was so busy at that time
that I hired Joe Viskocil

2466
01:48:08,593 --> 01:48:10,128
<i>to help me with Stay Puft.</i>

2467
01:48:10,194 --> 01:48:13,297
<i>We worked out a way</i>
<i>to load him and coat him</i>

2468
01:48:13,364 --> 01:48:15,700
<i>with flammable material.</i>

2469
01:48:15,766 --> 01:48:19,270
- It was the start of some sort
of chemical reaction and it was

2470
01:48:19,337 --> 01:48:22,273
a slow, little, tiny flame
so the first two seconds

2471
01:48:22,340 --> 01:48:26,077
would actually work in scale,
because fire doesn't scale.

2472
01:48:26,144 --> 01:48:30,982
- Well, the actual EPA came in
and talked to us about

2473
01:48:31,048 --> 01:48:32,884
<i>the different</i>
<i>environmental hazards</i>

2474
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:34,919
<i>of everything we were doing,</i>

2475
01:48:34,986 --> 01:48:38,389
and it put the fear of God
in me, I mean, foam on fire

2476
01:48:38,456 --> 01:48:40,458
<i>is a dangerous thing,</i>
<i>you know,</i>

2477
01:48:40,525 --> 01:48:42,293
<i>and there's a guy inside the</i>
<i>suit and we had been taught</i>

2478
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:44,395
<i>by the EPA that the fumes</i>
<i>that were going to be</i>

2479
01:48:44,462 --> 01:48:46,364
<i>coming out of the suit</i>
<i>were dangerous.</i>

2480
01:48:46,430 --> 01:48:49,967
- It really set off
some really noxious gas.

2481
01:48:50,034 --> 01:48:52,970
- But the guy in the suit,
it was very frightening.

2482
01:48:53,037 --> 01:48:56,774
- That's--it's a hard thing
to do, is to get in there

2483
01:48:56,841 --> 01:48:59,710
and to volunteer

2484
01:48:59,777 --> 01:49:02,346
having yourself be
put ablaze.

2485
01:49:02,413 --> 01:49:05,716
- First person inside the suit
that was just kind of stunt card

2486
01:49:05,783 --> 01:49:07,785
Thaine was working with.
- That's right.

2487
01:49:07,852 --> 01:49:09,754
- So we had him on a scuba gear

2488
01:49:09,820 --> 01:49:11,422
<i>with a hose running up</i>
<i>his pant leg.</i>

2489
01:49:11,489 --> 01:49:14,192
<i>He was quite safe</i>
<i>inside this suit.</i>

2490
01:49:14,258 --> 01:49:16,127
<i>- The guy had never</i>
<i>done this before.</i>

2491
01:49:16,194 --> 01:49:19,030
They lit him on fire
and he just sort of got scared

2492
01:49:19,096 --> 01:49:20,666
and fell to the ground.

2493
01:49:20,731 --> 01:49:23,467
- We put him out,
ruined one $20,000 suit.

2494
01:49:23,534 --> 01:49:26,237
<i>So we put him in the suit</i>
<i>the next night,</i>

2495
01:49:26,304 --> 01:49:27,939
<i>same thing happens,</i>
<i>he goes down.</i>

2496
01:49:28,005 --> 01:49:29,774
Okay, so what's going on?

2497
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:32,410
"Well, I can't see,
I'm afraid of fire."

2498
01:49:32,476 --> 01:49:35,880
Why did you sign up
to do this anyway?

2499
01:49:35,947 --> 01:49:37,949
- Actually, I think
he just couldn't hear.

2500
01:49:38,015 --> 01:49:39,850
- So that means
we're in a panic,

2501
01:49:39,917 --> 01:49:41,485
we've got one suit left.

2502
01:49:41,552 --> 01:49:44,622
So there's a guy in town whose
name is Tony Cecere.

2503
01:49:44,690 --> 01:49:48,359
<i>Tony has spent his entire life</i>
<i>burning himself up.</i>

2504
01:49:48,426 --> 01:49:53,364
- A friend of mine called me up
and said, "I've got this show

2505
01:49:53,431 --> 01:49:56,968
that we're doing down here
in Santa Monica," he said

2506
01:49:57,034 --> 01:50:00,404
it was a low-budget show
and he needed a fire burn on it

2507
01:50:00,471 --> 01:50:03,274
and wanted me to come down
and do a fire burn on the show,

2508
01:50:03,341 --> 01:50:06,377
and he wouldn't tell me any more
about the show other than that.

2509
01:50:06,444 --> 01:50:08,946
And I had done
some research on it

2510
01:50:09,013 --> 01:50:10,915
before I went down to see him
and found out

2511
01:50:10,982 --> 01:50:12,917
that it wasn't
any low-budget show

2512
01:50:12,984 --> 01:50:15,654
and we adjusted
my price accordingly.

2513
01:50:15,721 --> 01:50:18,856
- The suit was built for a guy
that was about 6-foot tall.

2514
01:50:18,923 --> 01:50:21,325
Tony's about 5'4",
he's a little guy.

2515
01:50:21,392 --> 01:50:24,128
<i>- I was more concerned with</i>
<i>whenever you catch Styrofoam</i>

2516
01:50:24,195 --> 01:50:27,898
on fire, it tends to completely
burn up all at once,

2517
01:50:27,965 --> 01:50:31,202
so before I got ready
to do the fire burn,

2518
01:50:31,269 --> 01:50:32,837
<i>we took a piece of the foam</i>

2519
01:50:32,903 --> 01:50:34,305
<i>that the Stay Puft man</i>
<i>was made out of</i>

2520
01:50:34,372 --> 01:50:36,907
<i>and we set it on fire</i>
<i>and we'd seen that the stuff</i>

2521
01:50:36,974 --> 01:50:38,710
<i>wouldn't burn,</i>
<i>which made me feel safe.</i>

2522
01:50:38,776 --> 01:50:42,246
So I put my fire suit on and
was inside the Stay Puft Man--

2523
01:50:42,313 --> 01:50:45,116
- The action is to walk over
to that apple box, step up on it

2524
01:50:45,182 --> 01:50:47,151
and slap the top of that church.
"Yes, sir."

2525
01:50:47,218 --> 01:50:49,854
- I had to rehearse several
times because they wanted me

2526
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:53,157
to go up a building a certain
way and they wanted one hand

2527
01:50:53,224 --> 01:50:55,226
<i>to hit here,</i>
<i>one hand to hit here.</i>

2528
01:50:55,293 --> 01:50:57,862
<i>- We were ready to go,</i>
<i>we light him up,</i>

2529
01:50:57,928 --> 01:50:59,497
<i>he walks over,</i>
<i>steps on the apple box,</i>

2530
01:50:59,563 --> 01:51:01,198
<i>steps up on the thing,</i>
<i>slaps the top,</i>

2531
01:51:01,265 --> 01:51:03,100
backs off the apple box,
squats down,

2532
01:51:03,167 --> 01:51:06,003
stands up again, steps up
on the apple box,

2533
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:07,538
slaps the top of the church.

2534
01:51:07,605 --> 01:51:11,509
- And I think it was the second
take, the head got hot

2535
01:51:11,575 --> 01:51:14,812
<i>from the fire on the outside</i>
<i>of it and the head split open,</i>

2536
01:51:14,879 --> 01:51:18,382
<i>and inside of the suit where</i>
<i>I was at was on fire too.</i>

2537
01:51:18,449 --> 01:51:21,385
- When we finally got him
to stop, the pink skull

2538
01:51:21,452 --> 01:51:25,189
under the Stay Puft was
all that was left on his head.

2539
01:51:25,256 --> 01:51:26,891
<i>The suit had burned</i>
<i>clear through</i>

2540
01:51:26,957 --> 01:51:28,794
<i>to the polyurethane foam.</i>

2541
01:51:28,859 --> 01:51:30,494
- What happened
on the inside,

2542
01:51:30,561 --> 01:51:32,963
the glue that they used to
put it together, all the glue

2543
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:34,800
on the inside of the head
started burning.

2544
01:51:34,865 --> 01:51:38,770
- We just stopped, you know,
went over, put him out.

2545
01:51:38,836 --> 01:51:40,137
He goes,
"Well, I could've kept going,

2546
01:51:40,204 --> 01:51:42,440
I wasn't feeling any heat."
[laughs]

2547
01:51:42,506 --> 01:51:46,510
- Imagine waking up in bed
at two in the morning,

2548
01:51:46,577 --> 01:51:49,847
looking over at my wife
and saying,

2549
01:51:49,914 --> 01:51:52,751
he didn't have his tie on.

2550
01:51:52,818 --> 01:51:54,786
<i>Joe Viskocil, the pyro guy,</i>

2551
01:51:54,852 --> 01:51:58,055
<i>he had the bib and he was</i>
<i>loading flashbulbs</i>

2552
01:51:58,122 --> 01:51:59,990
<i>into the bib</i>
<i>and putting squibs on it</i>

2553
01:52:00,057 --> 01:52:01,992
and little spark generators,

2554
01:52:02,059 --> 01:52:04,696
and I said, he--you gotta
put that tie on there.

2555
01:52:04,763 --> 01:52:06,798
He said, "I just--
I don't want to mess it up,

2556
01:52:06,864 --> 01:52:10,501
I'm gonna lean on it and I just
don't want it messed up."

2557
01:52:10,568 --> 01:52:12,470
I said, okay, all right,
okay, we'll get it on there.

2558
01:52:12,536 --> 01:52:16,073
And then put the guy
in the suit, light him up

2559
01:52:16,140 --> 01:52:18,710
<i>and then realize</i>
<i>a few hours later</i>

2560
01:52:18,777 --> 01:52:21,345
<i>that that one little step</i>
<i>got skipped.</i>

2561
01:52:21,412 --> 01:52:25,416
We had just seen
the screening of that shot

2562
01:52:25,483 --> 01:52:28,252
and there was applause
all around.

2563
01:52:28,319 --> 01:52:31,522
<i>I had to go to Michael Gross</i>
<i>to admit to him that</i>

2564
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:34,325
<i>as nice as the shot looked,</i>
<i>there was a part missing</i>

2565
01:52:34,392 --> 01:52:36,728
<i>and we would have to</i>
<i>do it again.</i>

2566
01:52:36,795 --> 01:52:39,497
<i>- And he said,</i>
<i>"There's so much else</i>

2567
01:52:39,563 --> 01:52:41,932
<i>"going on in that shot--</i>
<i>we've got Nutrona wands,</i>

2568
01:52:41,999 --> 01:52:44,502
<i>"we got the guys standing up</i>
<i>there, we got flashbulbs</i>

2569
01:52:44,568 --> 01:52:46,705
<i>"going off--probably</i>
<i>no one will notice it.</i>

2570
01:52:46,772 --> 01:52:48,372
<i>"But if they do,</i>

2571
01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:51,609
<i>who should I charge</i>
<i>the $30,000 reshoot to?"</i>

2572
01:52:51,676 --> 01:52:53,812
I pointed.
[laughs]

2573
01:52:53,879 --> 01:52:56,280
- When anybody makes a movie,
the first thing they're gonna

2574
01:52:56,347 --> 01:52:58,516
tell you is it's the most fun
if you get to blow stuff up.

2575
01:52:58,582 --> 01:53:00,418
- So we worked pretty closely
with Thaine Morris

2576
01:53:00,484 --> 01:53:02,486
on constructing a blast chamber

2577
01:53:02,553 --> 01:53:04,723
for them to go to
the temple to go up in.

2578
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:07,191
- John had something
very specific in mind

2579
01:53:07,258 --> 01:53:08,727
<i>and he had these photographs</i>

2580
01:53:08,794 --> 01:53:11,362
<i>where you saw these plumes</i>
<i>that spidered out</i>

2581
01:53:11,429 --> 01:53:13,531
in these quadrants like that.
- Yeah.

2582
01:53:13,597 --> 01:53:15,767
<i>- He drew that on</i>
<i>the storyboards.</i>

2583
01:53:15,834 --> 01:53:18,637
- And it was made so
we could do multiple takes.

2584
01:53:18,703 --> 01:53:21,205
- The inside of it
and all of the framework

2585
01:53:21,272 --> 01:53:24,008
<i>were quite strong steel.</i>

2586
01:53:24,074 --> 01:53:25,844
<i>- It was way overbuilt,</i>
<i>so there was really no chance</i>

2587
01:53:25,911 --> 01:53:27,813
<i>it was going to do anything</i>
<i>but blow the doors out,</i>

2588
01:53:27,879 --> 01:53:29,580
<i>which is what we wanted,</i>

2589
01:53:29,648 --> 01:53:33,551
so Thaine could go up and put
his bomb inside and we'd just

2590
01:53:33,617 --> 01:53:36,721
stand back and watch him
blow up our building.

2591
01:53:36,788 --> 01:53:40,458
- There was four, not three,
bombs in that building.

2592
01:53:40,524 --> 01:53:43,160
- And so I said,
where's the best place to be?

2593
01:53:43,227 --> 01:53:44,562
- I said, behind me.

2594
01:53:44,628 --> 01:53:47,565
- I said, great, and we set
the camera up and we had

2595
01:53:47,631 --> 01:53:49,801
all this acrylic
that was for safety purposes,

2596
01:53:49,868 --> 01:53:51,368
didn't shatter and all that.

2597
01:53:51,435 --> 01:53:53,638
<i>Here we are, we're getting</i>
<i>ready, camera's going,</i>

2598
01:53:53,705 --> 01:53:55,339
<i>"Speed!"</i>
<i>[vocalizing camera whirring]</i>

2599
01:53:55,406 --> 01:53:58,643
<i>And I'm pressing my camera</i>
<i>and everything explodes.</i>

2600
01:53:58,710 --> 01:54:01,011
[vocalizes explosion]

2601
01:54:01,078 --> 01:54:02,814
I got smacked
right in the forehead.

2602
01:54:02,881 --> 01:54:05,483
- One of the few times
I've ever hurt anybody.

2603
01:54:05,549 --> 01:54:08,552
- This is where the blood just
starts coming down and, uh,

2604
01:54:08,619 --> 01:54:12,657
what had happened is that
this little bench blew up,

2605
01:54:12,724 --> 01:54:16,227
<i>went in the air,</i>
<i>came right through the glass,</i>

2606
01:54:16,293 --> 01:54:18,996
bounced over and knocked me
right in the head.

2607
01:54:19,063 --> 01:54:22,266
<i>- The shot he got was</i>
<i>his camera was with terpene,</i>

2608
01:54:22,333 --> 01:54:25,670
the crossing fireball
with the bench

2609
01:54:25,737 --> 01:54:28,640
right in front of the camera,
out of focus.

2610
01:54:28,707 --> 01:54:31,408
- When Ivan saw that he wanted
us to reshoot it because

2611
01:54:31,475 --> 01:54:33,444
he was--he was actually
really pissed.

2612
01:54:33,511 --> 01:54:35,479
<i>He said,</i>
<i>"They'd have been killed,"</i>

2613
01:54:35,546 --> 01:54:37,883
<i>and I said, well, yeah,</i>
<i>isn't that the joke?</i>

2614
01:54:37,949 --> 01:54:40,284
Because here's the drawing.

2615
01:54:40,351 --> 01:54:42,219
<i>That's when everybody started</i>
<i>using storyboards</i>

2616
01:54:42,286 --> 01:54:45,055
as documents--hey, we said
we were gonna do this,

2617
01:54:45,122 --> 01:54:47,893
it looks like that,
that's what we did.

2618
01:54:47,959 --> 01:54:50,962
<i>And so sort of ended up</i>
<i>re-cutting the rooftop scene</i>

2619
01:54:51,028 --> 01:54:55,266
<i>just before it blows, each one</i>
<i>dives out of the way.</i>

2620
01:54:55,332 --> 01:54:57,067
[explosion and screaming]

2621
01:54:57,134 --> 01:55:00,337
- There was a big bag of the
shaving cream and I was gonna

2622
01:55:00,404 --> 01:55:01,873
<i>stand and it falls on me,</i>

2623
01:55:01,940 --> 01:55:03,507
<i>and I went, well,</i>
<i>you know, how much</i>

2624
01:55:03,574 --> 01:55:06,043
shaving cream is in this thing
you're gonna--that's gonna

2625
01:55:06,110 --> 01:55:08,546
fall on me, and they said,
"Well, you know, I don't know,

2626
01:55:08,612 --> 01:55:12,516
<i>you know, maybe 75 pounds,"</i>
<i>and I said, wow, that's a lot.</i>

2627
01:55:12,583 --> 01:55:14,418
<i>And they said, "Well, it's</i>
<i>shaving cream," and I said,</i>

2628
01:55:14,485 --> 01:55:16,655
<i>you know, I remember from</i>
<i>junior high school</i>

2629
01:55:16,721 --> 01:55:19,991
<i>that 75 pounds of feathers</i>
<i>and 75 pounds of lead</i>

2630
01:55:20,057 --> 01:55:22,560
<i>is the same 75 pounds.</i>

2631
01:55:22,626 --> 01:55:26,096
<i>Okay, Mr. Sensitive,</i>
<i>so let's get a stunt guy,</i>

2632
01:55:26,163 --> 01:55:28,299
<i>show him that it's all right,</i>

2633
01:55:28,365 --> 01:55:30,467
and so they put the stunt guy
underneath and they open

2634
01:55:30,534 --> 01:55:34,039
the shaving cream and they
laid out on the stunt guy...

2635
01:55:34,104 --> 01:55:35,774
<i>just laid him out.</i>

2636
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:38,475
And I said, well, that's what
I'm worried about for me.

2637
01:55:38,542 --> 01:55:41,880
- And Ivan and Joe were up on
a truck and they saw me coming

2638
01:55:41,947 --> 01:55:44,248
and he goes, "Gross, get up
here, this is gonna be great!

2639
01:55:44,315 --> 01:55:45,784
Get up here,
this is gonna be great!"

2640
01:55:45,850 --> 01:55:49,086
- And so they--they made it
a little less

2641
01:55:49,153 --> 01:55:50,722
<i>and I went and I did it.</i>

2642
01:55:50,789 --> 01:55:53,024
- I get up in the truck and
they drop the marshmallows,

2643
01:55:53,090 --> 01:55:54,525
it was unbelievable.

2644
01:55:54,592 --> 01:55:56,226
- And they dumped it on him...

2645
01:55:56,293 --> 01:55:57,595
once.
[laughing]

2646
01:55:57,662 --> 01:56:00,631
[people screaming]

2647
01:56:00,699 --> 01:56:03,467
- We headed for bed, we got the
shoot until I think it was 10:00

2648
01:56:03,534 --> 01:56:06,871
<i>at night and at 10:00 at night</i>
<i>our best friends,</i>

2649
01:56:06,938 --> 01:56:09,741
<i>the New York City police,</i>
<i>became our worst enemies,</i>

2650
01:56:09,808 --> 01:56:12,877
they said, "Yo, get this stuff
off here! Move it, move it!"

2651
01:56:12,944 --> 01:56:14,311
You know, just like...
[vocalizing switch]

2652
01:56:19,149 --> 01:56:21,352
<i>- So we decided this movie</i>
<i>has to be screened.</i>

2653
01:56:21,418 --> 01:56:23,021
<i>We're testing cards,</i>

2654
01:56:23,088 --> 01:56:25,522
<i>just so the marketing people</i>
<i>know where its strengths are.</i>

2655
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:27,291
At this point,
regardless of that,

2656
01:56:27,358 --> 01:56:29,393
you got a finished movie
pretty much.

2657
01:56:29,460 --> 01:56:32,329
- At that time, Seattle,
Washington was the place

2658
01:56:32,396 --> 01:56:34,131
that everybody goes,
the studios.

2659
01:56:34,198 --> 01:56:37,434
- Screening is clearly we have
a hit, clearly we have a hit,

2660
01:56:37,501 --> 01:56:39,871
<i>and we're scoring</i>
<i>in the 90s,</i>

2661
01:56:39,938 --> 01:56:42,073
<i>we're scoring unbelievable.</i>

2662
01:56:42,139 --> 01:56:43,975
So we run back onto
our private jet,

2663
01:56:44,042 --> 01:56:45,677
we whiz it off
to go back to LA,

2664
01:56:45,744 --> 01:56:47,411
<i>and everybody's got</i>
<i>a pile of cards.</i>

2665
01:56:47,478 --> 01:56:49,446
So everybody's going,
"Here's one!

2666
01:56:49,513 --> 01:56:52,483
Best fuckin' movie
ever made!"

2667
01:56:52,549 --> 01:56:54,653
<i>"Best movie ever, ever!"</i>

2668
01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:58,422
It was--and we were throwing
them in the air, deliriously,

2669
01:56:58,489 --> 01:57:02,626
I mean, realizing,
this is good,

2670
01:57:02,694 --> 01:57:04,528
this is so good.

2671
01:57:04,595 --> 01:57:07,364
- It was wonderful to see that
first screening and to hear

2672
01:57:07,431 --> 01:57:09,299
the laughs and to
just know we had something

2673
01:57:09,366 --> 01:57:10,969
that the people
were gonna love.

2674
01:57:11,036 --> 01:57:12,369
- I really don't remember

2675
01:57:12,436 --> 01:57:13,604
the first screening
of "Ghostbusters."

2676
01:57:13,672 --> 01:57:15,272
I do remember
the wrap party, though,

2677
01:57:15,339 --> 01:57:16,941
we can't get into that here.

2678
01:57:17,008 --> 01:57:19,576
- What was cool was that we were
there and the crew was there,

2679
01:57:19,644 --> 01:57:22,312
but there's a lot of people who
hadn't seen any of the film--

2680
01:57:22,379 --> 01:57:23,948
<i>there's administration--</i>

2681
01:57:24,015 --> 01:57:26,651
- People that had worked on
the live action often have

2682
01:57:26,718 --> 01:57:28,720
no idea what the film
is gonna look like.

2683
01:57:28,787 --> 01:57:34,159
- I just couldn't believe how
good it was and how exciting

2684
01:57:34,224 --> 01:57:35,927
it was to be
a part of it, I mean,

2685
01:57:35,994 --> 01:57:37,696
you wait for the credits.

2686
01:57:37,762 --> 01:57:41,298
- And that's when we learned
that not everyone's names

2687
01:57:41,365 --> 01:57:42,701
were put in the credits.

2688
01:57:42,767 --> 01:57:44,936
- My wife at the time
turned to me and said,

2689
01:57:45,003 --> 01:57:48,106
"So where were you every day
for a year?"

2690
01:57:48,173 --> 01:57:52,309
I really--I went, I was there,
I worked on the picture.

2691
01:57:52,376 --> 01:57:54,145
- It was totally random--

2692
01:57:54,211 --> 01:57:57,716
I submitted a list of everyone
who worked in the film.

2693
01:57:57,782 --> 01:57:59,851
<i>- There were 160 people who</i>
<i>worked on "Ghostbusters"</i>

2694
01:57:59,918 --> 01:58:03,121
<i>who were also at in</i>
<i>the Boss Film, of those</i>

2695
01:58:03,188 --> 01:58:06,623
<i>I think about a hundred</i>
<i>did not get credit who worked</i>

2696
01:58:06,691 --> 01:58:10,561
on the film, and I mean, really
worked, like 20 hour days,

2697
01:58:10,627 --> 01:58:12,596
like six or seven day weeks.

2698
01:58:12,664 --> 01:58:15,599
- And people who did
major things were deleted

2699
01:58:15,667 --> 01:58:18,937
from the list and people who
did insignificant things

2700
01:58:19,003 --> 01:58:20,071
were on the list.

2701
01:58:20,138 --> 01:58:21,873
- For whatever reason,

2702
01:58:21,940 --> 01:58:25,110
the studio said you could only
have so many credits.

2703
01:58:25,176 --> 01:58:27,946
I don't know if they were
running out of letters.

2704
01:58:28,012 --> 01:58:30,648
- And then we had a wrap party
on a beach and Richard

2705
01:58:30,715 --> 01:58:33,184
<i>tells me right there,</i>
<i>"I've taken out an article</i>

2706
01:58:33,250 --> 01:58:36,286
<i>"in 'Variety' and I've named</i>
<i>every single person</i>

2707
01:58:36,353 --> 01:58:39,758
<i>that worked on 'Ghostbusters'</i>
<i>whose name was left off."</i>

2708
01:58:39,824 --> 01:58:42,927
You know, if he's apologizing
to me, he's apologizing

2709
01:58:42,994 --> 01:58:45,429
to every single person
that he left,

2710
01:58:45,496 --> 01:58:47,766
and I thought that took
a lot of integrity.

2711
01:58:47,832 --> 01:58:51,035
- But I didn't see the movie,
until, I think, we premiered it,

2712
01:58:51,102 --> 01:58:55,539
<i>and I went to the premiere</i>
<i>and it was just real crazy.</i>

2713
01:58:55,606 --> 01:58:59,644
- We were just so wide eyed
ourselves at--

2714
01:58:59,711 --> 01:59:01,612
couldn't believe it, I mean,

2715
01:59:01,679 --> 01:59:03,547
the Marshmallow Man
looked so real to us,

2716
01:59:03,614 --> 01:59:05,616
we were just like, oh!

2717
01:59:05,683 --> 01:59:08,920
- The big film of that time
that everybody was anticipating

2718
01:59:08,987 --> 01:59:11,156
<i>was "Indiana Jones</i>
<i>and the Temple of Doom,"</i>

2719
01:59:11,222 --> 01:59:12,690
<i>so were kind of off the radar</i>

2720
01:59:12,757 --> 01:59:15,059
and the word started to get out
on these test screenings

2721
01:59:15,126 --> 01:59:16,293
that it was funny.

2722
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:17,962
We were shocked as anybody.

2723
01:59:18,029 --> 01:59:21,132
- You're driving down the street
in your Trans Am and Ray Parker

2724
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:23,333
comes on singing because
everyone's digging your movie

2725
01:59:23,400 --> 01:59:26,237
and it was a great feeling,
it was a fun movie to work on.

2726
01:59:26,303 --> 01:59:30,574
<i>- It was this rough edged,</i>
<i>"devil may care" picture</i>

2727
01:59:30,642 --> 01:59:34,712
with a lot of great comedy
actors and crazy monsters.

2728
01:59:34,779 --> 01:59:37,215
- When you get people like
Dan Aykroyd and Bill Murray,

2729
01:59:37,282 --> 01:59:41,318
Harold Ramis and Ivan Reitman,
all these incredibly

2730
01:59:41,385 --> 01:59:44,722
funny people that don't have
huge egos that just wanted

2731
01:59:44,789 --> 01:59:47,125
to win and make the best thing
they can.

2732
01:59:47,192 --> 01:59:50,195
<i>They're thinking about</i>
<i>every detail, every nuance of</i>

2733
01:59:50,261 --> 01:59:52,730
the story and the script and
the performance, the comedy,

2734
01:59:52,797 --> 01:59:54,799
and the highs and the lows
and the arcs.

2735
01:59:54,866 --> 01:59:57,202
So they get together
and they co-create,

2736
01:59:57,268 --> 01:59:59,804
and I think that group of people
co-created a masterpiece.

2737
01:59:59,871 --> 02:00:03,208
- And the whole town benefitted
from it--it was stimulating.

2738
02:00:03,274 --> 02:00:05,777
- We didn't really, I don't even
dare think that that year

2739
02:00:05,844 --> 02:00:07,477
we would be the biggest movie
of the year.

2740
02:00:07,544 --> 02:00:11,348
But we thought it was gonna be
good and I think, to be honest,

2741
02:00:11,415 --> 02:00:13,584
I think I thought
it was gonna be classic.

2742
02:00:13,651 --> 02:00:15,987
- At a certain point,
when I think we were number one

2743
02:00:16,054 --> 02:00:18,555
<i>at the box office for,</i>
<i>you know, I think it went on</i>

2744
02:00:18,622 --> 02:00:20,325
<i>for five or six weeks</i>
<i>in a row.</i>

2745
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:21,826
- It was certainly a good way

2746
02:00:21,893 --> 02:00:23,895
to start out your career
in the movie business.

2747
02:00:23,962 --> 02:00:26,965
<i>- Robert Goizueta, the ex</i>
<i>chairman and CEO of Coca-Cola,</i>

2748
02:00:27,031 --> 02:00:28,565
<i>he didn't like the movie</i>

2749
02:00:28,633 --> 02:00:32,270
until he saw the $250 million
blip in their revenue

2750
02:00:32,337 --> 02:00:34,038
and he was very happy.

2751
02:00:34,105 --> 02:00:35,840
- You know,
it's hard for me to say

2752
02:00:35,907 --> 02:00:38,776
because it's so
incredibly competitive,

2753
02:00:38,843 --> 02:00:41,578
but I thought Ivan did
an amazingly good job.

2754
02:00:41,646 --> 02:00:43,982
- You know, mixing genres,
particularly with comedy--

2755
02:00:44,048 --> 02:00:47,318
horror-comedies, science fiction
comedies--are particularly

2756
02:00:47,384 --> 02:00:51,856
hard to do because one of the
genres tends to sort of weaken

2757
02:00:51,923 --> 02:00:55,326
the other one, and we happened
to get away with it.

2758
02:00:55,392 --> 02:00:57,527
- Even people in the industry
who were jealous of us

2759
02:00:57,594 --> 02:00:58,963
had to go,
"Oh, well, you know,

2760
02:00:59,030 --> 02:01:00,631
you gotta be happy
for these guys."

2761
02:01:00,698 --> 02:01:03,268
- The empowering message
of "Ghostbusters" is that

2762
02:01:03,334 --> 02:01:06,738
no matter what monsters
we create in the world,

2763
02:01:06,804 --> 02:01:09,007
<i>that if we have the courage,</i>

2764
02:01:09,073 --> 02:01:12,043
<i>the tools and the technology,</i>
<i>the talent</i>

2765
02:01:12,110 --> 02:01:15,013
and the fortitude, we can
deal with pretty much anything.

2766
02:01:21,019 --> 02:01:22,387
[whooshing]

2767
02:01:22,452 --> 02:01:23,821
- Are you troubled
by strange noises

2768
02:01:23,888 --> 02:01:25,489
in the middle of the night?

2769
02:01:25,555 --> 02:01:28,425
- Do you experience feelings of
dread in your basement or attic?

2770
02:01:28,492 --> 02:01:31,461
- If the answer is yes,
then don't wait another minute.

2771
02:01:31,528 --> 02:01:33,932
- Pick up the phone
and call the professions.

2772
02:01:33,998 --> 02:01:35,300
- Ghostbusters.

2773
02:01:35,366 --> 02:01:37,669
all:
We're ready to believe you!

2774
02:01:37,735 --> 02:01:40,872
<i>[upbeat music]</i>

2775
02:01:40,939 --> 02:01:47,879
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2776
02:01:50,381 --> 02:01:53,284
<i>♪ Fighting ghosts ♪</i>

2777
02:01:53,351 --> 02:01:56,553
<i>♪ Proton blast ♪</i>

2778
02:01:56,620 --> 02:01:59,824
<i>♪ Zapping ghosts ♪</i>

2779
02:01:59,891 --> 02:02:03,261
<i>♪ We'll be fast ♪</i>

2780
02:02:03,328 --> 02:02:06,297
<i>♪ Fighting ghosts ♪</i>

2781
02:02:06,364 --> 02:02:09,466
<i>♪ Proton blast ♪</i>

2782
02:02:09,533 --> 02:02:12,403
<i>♪ We'll be fast ♪</i>

2783
02:02:12,469 --> 02:02:16,240
<i>♪ Take it slow</i>
<i>(Oh I could see you baby) ♪</i>

2784
02:02:16,307 --> 02:02:18,376
<i>♪ No no no ♪</i>

2785
02:02:18,443 --> 02:02:22,146
<i>♪ You can't see them,</i>
<i>you can't see them ♪</i>

2786
02:02:22,213 --> 02:02:25,149
<i>♪ No no no ♪</i>

2787
02:02:25,216 --> 02:02:28,653
<i>♪ You can't see them,</i>
<i>you can't see them ♪</i>

2788
02:02:28,720 --> 02:02:31,889
<i>♪ No no no ♪</i>

2789
02:02:31,956 --> 02:02:35,159
<i>♪ You can't see them,</i>
<i>you can't see them ♪</i>

2790
02:02:35,226 --> 02:02:38,029
<i>♪ No no no ♪</i>

2791
02:02:38,096 --> 02:02:41,565
<i>♪ You can't see them,</i>
<i>you can't see them ♪</i>

2792
02:02:41,631 --> 02:02:44,534
<i>[upbeat music continues]</i>

2793
02:02:44,601 --> 02:02:46,371
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2794
02:02:46,437 --> 02:02:48,605
[roaring]

2795
02:02:48,673 --> 02:02:51,042
<i>[whooshing]</i>

2796
02:02:51,109 --> 02:02:54,178
[clanging]

2797
02:02:54,245 --> 02:02:57,115
<i>[techno music]</i>

2798
02:03:00,584 --> 02:03:01,786
- You're not giving me
enough chance

2799
02:03:01,853 --> 02:03:03,388
to drink between the shots.

2800
02:03:03,454 --> 02:03:05,423
[woman laughing]

2801
02:03:05,490 --> 02:03:08,726
Take it down a minute.
[laughing]

2802
02:03:08,793 --> 02:03:12,730
<i>[techno music continues]</i>

2803
02:03:12,797 --> 02:03:17,301
- Oh, my God, I'm worth
the price of New York!

2804
02:03:17,368 --> 02:03:19,569
- The guy in the hardhat
ended up being my son's

2805
02:03:19,637 --> 02:03:23,174
English teacher and my son ended
up getting into an Ivy League

2806
02:03:23,241 --> 02:03:27,178
school and majoring in English
because of that guy.

2807
02:03:30,081 --> 02:03:32,417
- Paparazzi guy, this guy Steve
Sands, who's sort of famous

2808
02:03:32,483 --> 02:03:36,754
in New York, he's--you know,
you confront him and he's just--

2809
02:03:36,821 --> 02:03:39,290
he knows karate
and doesn't really.

2810
02:03:39,357 --> 02:03:41,459
<i>So he's really</i>
<i>giving me a hard time</i>

2811
02:03:41,526 --> 02:03:43,828
<i>on Central Park West.</i>
<i>There was an extra,</i>

2812
02:03:43,895 --> 02:03:45,363
<i>a fairly large man</i>
<i>dressed as</i>

2813
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:49,033
a Hasidic Jew who just got
fed up with Steve, grabbed him,

2814
02:03:49,100 --> 02:03:51,469
carried him across
Central Park West

2815
02:03:51,536 --> 02:03:53,171
and then threw him
onto the wall.

2816
02:03:53,237 --> 02:03:56,240
And then he came back and said,
"That man was very irritating,"

2817
02:03:56,307 --> 02:03:59,744
I said, "Yes, the man
was very irritating."

2818
02:03:59,811 --> 02:04:01,646
<i>- ♪ Let's make some ♪</i>

2819
02:04:01,712 --> 02:04:04,614
<i>[funky dance music]</i>

2820
02:04:04,682 --> 02:04:11,789
<i>♪ ♪</i>

2821
02:04:55,433 --> 02:04:57,468
- ...comes out and tells someone
or something like that

2822
02:04:57,535 --> 02:05:01,639
and he said, "No, you weren't!"
And then I go...

2823
02:05:03,975 --> 02:05:05,343
See?

2824
02:05:05,409 --> 02:05:07,678
All of a sudden they say,
"It's true, it's true,

2825
02:05:07,745 --> 02:05:09,680
you really were!"

2826
02:05:09,747 --> 02:05:12,216
<i>[ukulele music]</i>

2827
02:05:15,720 --> 02:05:18,389
<i>- ♪ I'm a little Ghostbuster ♪</i>

2828
02:05:18,456 --> 02:05:21,325
<i>♪ Sigourney is my name ♪</i>

2829
02:05:21,392 --> 02:05:23,394
<i>♪ This picture cost</i>
<i>a lot of bread ♪</i>

2830
02:05:23,461 --> 02:05:27,231
<i>♪ So let's hope</i>
<i>it makes the same ♪</i>

2831
02:05:27,298 --> 02:05:29,500
<i>♪ I played the damsel</i>
<i>in distress ♪</i>

2832
02:05:29,567 --> 02:05:33,137
<i>♪ And we know</i>
<i>what that entails ♪</i>

2833
02:05:33,204 --> 02:05:37,942
<i>♪ An icebox put the moves</i>
<i>on me and I woke up in ♪</i>

2834
02:05:38,009 --> 02:05:40,778
<i>♪ Dog entrails ♪</i>

2835
02:05:44,882 --> 02:05:47,084
<i>♪ I was attacked</i>
<i>by leaping eggs ♪</i>

2836
02:05:47,151 --> 02:05:50,621
<i>♪ And molested by a chair ♪</i>

2837
02:05:50,688 --> 02:05:56,494
<i>♪ Levitated more than once</i>
<i>and I think that is fair ♪</i>

2838
02:05:56,561 --> 02:06:02,466
<i>♪ Blown away and barbecued,</i>
<i>devoured by a terror pooch ♪</i>

2839
02:06:02,533 --> 02:06:07,104
<i>♪ I crawled out of his</i>
<i>haunches and Pete Venkman ♪</i>

2840
02:06:07,171 --> 02:06:09,707
<i>♪ He gave me a smooch ♪</i>

2841
02:06:11,609 --> 02:06:13,744
<i>♪ I think in</i>
<i>every dangerous scene ♪</i>

2842
02:06:13,811 --> 02:06:17,181
<i>♪ I had some part to play ♪</i>

2843
02:06:17,248 --> 02:06:21,886
<i>♪ My thanks and my affection</i>
<i>to special effects ♪</i>

2844
02:06:21,953 --> 02:06:23,988
<i>♪ You really blew me away ♪</i>

2845
02:06:27,693 --> 02:06:29,894
<i>♪ You really blew me away ♪</i>

2846
02:06:34,999 --> 02:06:37,268
<i>♪ I've always felt</i>
<i>so much support ♪</i>

2847
02:06:37,335 --> 02:06:40,706
<i>♪ And humor in this crew ♪</i>

2848
02:06:40,771 --> 02:06:42,974
<i>♪ To each and every</i>
<i>single one of you ♪</i>

2849
02:06:43,040 --> 02:06:46,777
<i>♪ I'd like to say</i>
<i>"Thank You" ♪</i>

2850
02:06:46,844 --> 02:06:48,613
<i>♪ Our cast is an ensemble ♪</i>

2851
02:06:48,680 --> 02:06:52,450
<i>♪ Ernie's nice</i>
<i>and Anne's a honey ♪</i>

2852
02:06:52,516 --> 02:06:57,521
<i>♪ Ivan's always quick to laugh</i>
<i>but Bill Atherton and I ♪</i>

2853
02:06:57,588 --> 02:06:59,790
<i>♪ Are never funny ♪</i>

2854
02:07:02,026 --> 02:07:07,198
<i>♪ I have a crush on Harold</i>
<i>and Danny is a dream ♪</i>

2855
02:07:07,265 --> 02:07:11,836
<i>♪ Moranis is my demon</i>
<i>and Ivan ♪</i>

2856
02:07:11,902 --> 02:07:14,238
<i>♪ He always makes me scream ♪</i>

2857
02:07:14,305 --> 02:07:16,874
<i>[ukulele music continues]</i>

2858
02:07:19,610 --> 02:07:23,514
<i>[whistling melody]</i>

2859
02:07:30,087 --> 02:07:31,822
<i>That will do.</i>