[Nathan] In this episode...
Narcotics are destroying Kansas City, Kansas.
[man] Hands up. Put them up.
[Nathan] The police are recruiting dealers
to help trap the biggest suppliers.
[officer] You're gonna have one shot for cooperation to help yourself out.
[Eric] Buy-busts are dangerous because
most drug traffickers are armed.
[Nathan] For officers, it's dangerous work.
[Eric] We're going after the ones that don't care about ruining other people's lives.
[Nathan] Can they flip a drug kingpin
and stop the flow of poison into the city?
[Phillip] That's some dirty ass meth, man.
[Nathan] One police department,
one hundred cameras
capturing investigations as they unfold.
[siren wailing]
From 911, to arrest, to lock up,
all of what follows is real.
[police officer speaking]
[man speaking]
[police officer speaking]
[Dylan] The narcotics problem in Kansas City, Kansas, is huge.
And we're trying to tackle a huge battle.
Meth is everywhere. Seems like it's on every corner.
I've seen it destroy people's lives.
[police officer speaking]
[Eric] In Narcotics, we operate in a world
that others just don't see.
We're different just in how we think.
[Eric speaking]
[Eric] We use this thing called the flip.
We wanna work up to the people
that are bringing the drugs in.
So we start at the bottom and we work our way up,
and we never really know how high we might go.
[Eric speaking]
[man speaking]
[Eric] In the Kansas City area,
if you throw a rock down the street and hit a house,
there's a higher chance than you'd imagine
that you'd find drugs in there.
There's innocent victims trapped in this war
that are addicted to drugs.
We try to find opportunities to try to help them out.
But there's also people that are addicted to drugs that are evil,
and they don't never want to change.
We're going after the ones that have no regard,
that don't care about ruining other people's lives.
Uh, taking moms and dads away from kids through addiction.
And that's what we want to do is we want to disrupt that.
[Nathan] A young couple has been arrested
in possession of eight ounces of meth
and handed over to the Narcotics Unit.
[Dylan conversing with couple]
[woman speaking]
[Dylan] I know.
[woman speaking]
It is.
[Eric speaking]
[man speaking]
[Eric speaking]
[man speaking]
- [Eric] Really? - [man] Yeah.
[Eric] We're not interested in a confession
because we already know that they're guilty.
We'll start off with the common user,
then we want to try to flip above them
to get the mid-level, uh, people that are getting
a little bit bigger quantity.
Ultimately, you want to try to flip that
to get up to the person that's getting it straight from Mexico,
that's bringing in millions of dollars of methamphetamine.
[Nathan] Police convince him to text his dealer
to look for more meth.
[Eric speaking]
[man speaking]
[Eric] All right.
[Eric speaking]
[man] Okay.
[Eric speaking]
[Nathan] With the dealers recruited
as confidential informants,
officers now refer to them as CIs or friendlies.
[Eric] Hey, Sarge, you ready to brief?
[Nathan] They set up a deal to capture their supplier.
[Eric] CIs are here, they're ready to go.
We're gonna be, uh, buying from Chris.
So he's actually a KCK guy.
He's got two prior drug convictions.
This guy brags that he sells
like, he'll... he'll buy $50,000 worth of meth at a time.
So today, we're gonna try to meet him
at the gas station.
Send the CI in, both of them,
and we expect to get a pound of meth.
The plan that we're hoping is that
this guy then is gonna turn around
and just go right back home.
At that point, when he pulls in the parking lot,
as he's getting out
and starting to walk towards the apartment
for you guys to affect the arrest on him.
Snatch his ass up.
[police officer] Ready?
A buy-bust is when we set up,
uh, an arranged buy of drugs.
We're gonna then bust them or arrest them.
Generally, we'll have some type of tactical response
that will take them down in the parking lot
or when they come home.
[officer] They're waiting for us to give them the money.
[Eric] So you have 20, 40, 60, 80.
One. Twenty, forty, sixty.
[man speaking]
[Eric] All right, so you're gonna meet with him.
Give him the money, get the meth,
and you're just gonna shoot right back here.
Tell him, uh, give us...
tell him you'll be there in five to ten minutes.
[Phillip] That's our CI.
All right, looks like it might be going down.
[Dylan] There's a lot of different ways
that a CI could hurt an investigation.
You could have informants walking off with your money
that you gave them, you know,
that the city has provided them.
They could tell the person that you're investigating,
"Hey, you know, the police are looking at you."
[Eric] He's heading towards the, uh, meet location.
[police officer speaking]
- Do you hear that? - [Dylan] Mmm-hmm.
[Dylan] Nothing like a prompt drug trafficker.
He beat us to the meeting location,
- that doesn't... - [Eric] Love it.
[Dylan] That doesn't happen too often.
[Eric] Love it.
When you're dealing with people that are on meth, selling meth,
they're overly paranoid anyway.
And so one wrong surveillance move
can send them like a speeding bullet
down the road.
[Eric] That's our CIs in the white SUV.
Can you see it?
[Dylan] It's that black truck over there.
[police officer speaking]
[police officer] Friendlies are on the lot.
[Eric] All right, the target and our friendly,
the male friendly, both got in the car.
They're both in the truck.
Male friendly's in the passenger seat.
[Dylan] Friendly is back out of the car.
[Eric] Truck's backing out.
[Dylan] Target's backing out.
Okay, we're gonna have to do a loose moving, guys.
He's northbound.
[police officer] Northbound on 55.
[Dylan] Just so everybody knows,
friendlies are advised, and it was a good deal.
[police officer speaking]
That's not what we wanted to happen.
[police officer on radio] Yeah I got him.
[Eric] That's not the way to his apartment.
[Dylan] Never goes as planned.
[Eric] All this guy had to do is turn around and go home.
[police officer speaking]
[Phillip] We were hoping that he was gonna stop somewhere
inside of KCK.
I don't know, we're maybe seeing if he
stops some place in Leavenworth County.
[Eric] Why would he go in there?
[Eric] Hey, if this dude gets out at a restaurant
or a gas station and goes in, you want to scoop him up.
[Phillip] Yeah.
The guy has got $3,000 of our money.
[Dylan] He's, uh, taking a right here.
Turning east on Commercial.
He's turning around.
Looks like it's some, uh...
supersaver store.
[Nathan] The Narcotics Unit is in pursuit of a meth dealer
who's jumped the county line with $3,000 of their money.
[Dylan] He's creeping through the lot.
[Phillip] Probably gonna spend our $3,200
at the Nebraska Furniture Mart.
[Eric] He's trying to furnish his apartment.
[police officer] He's parked. And he's out of it.
He's walking towards the business,
but he's walked out of my view.
[Dylan] There's his truck right there.
- [Eric] This black one? - [Dylan] Right there.
[Eric] Yeah.
[police officer speaking]
[Dylan] We do not see him out by any of the vehicles.
Do we know he's inside?
[Dylan] Did anybody see him go inside?
[police officer] We're waiting on the [indistinct].
[Eric speaking]
[Dylan] EJ's got eyes on him, he's in the store,
if you wanna move in.
[Eric] He's up by the front. He's up by the front.
He's right at the register.
He's at the register, guys, so.
[Eric] He's paying now.
[Dylan] He's paying now.
[police officer speaking]
Damn it. Don't let him get back in that car.
[Dylan] He's walking out, walking out now,
walking out now.
Out the door, I got eyes on him, he's out the door.
[officer] Put them up.
Get on the ground right now.
- Get on the ground. - All right.
All the way down on your stomach.
Hands behind your back.
[police officer] Stand up.
One, two, three.
He's in custody.
[door slamming]
[police officer] Oh, yeah.
What's up?
[Dylan] Search the vehicle now.
A pound of dope and my money back, I'll be happy.
[Dylan] Looks like we got quite a bit of product in the truck.
Definitely half a pound or more.
[Nathan] After searching the dealer's car,
they find over a pound of meth.
[police officer speaking]
Walking out.
[police officer] 80 and 30, we have the
apartment locked down for you.
[Nathan] The Special Operations Unit raid his apartment
to search for the rest of the stash.
We acquired a search warrant.
Police Department, we have a search warrant.
Police search warrant!
[Phillip] He's gotta have money somewhere.
If there's gonna be something, it's gonna be here.
[police officer] Hey. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
-[police officer] Oh, here we go. -[police officer] Success.
[Dylan] We're good.
We got a safe...
that has a pretty good little hit, money wise.
[police officer] 672, we're done processing the apartment
and we are headed back to HQ as well.
[Dylan] So, Andy sent me that from the apartment.
- [Eric] Ah, it's awesome. - [Dylan] Yeah.
Like a Pelican case of currency.
He said he thinks it's no less than 10 grand.
[Eric] If he's getting supposedly up to 10 keys at a time,
then he might be in a position to make a phone call, today.
[Dylan] Yeah.
- Somebody's expecting money. - [Dylan] Yes.
- That's good. - [Dylan] Yeah.
- It might be a longer night than I thought. - [Dylan] Yup.
[Eric] There's times where you catch 'em,
where they don't really have a lot of product,
but they have a lot of money.
That immediately tells me that that's ripe,
you know, they're ready to order up a large amount.
Sometimes that presents our opportunity
to move up to the next level.
The mid-level drug dealer is gonna open up good doors
and wide opportunities to identify, uh,
a larger organization,
a higher portion of the organization, you just never know.
[Nathan] The case retrieved from the suspect's apartment
reveals a surprise.
[police officer] These are $1,000 bundles.
I'm... I'm thinking it's gonna be somewhere around 50.
[Eric] It's probably, I would guess, 40 or 50 grand.
[police officer] Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and start counting this.
[Eric] He's obviously due to pay his guy.
[police officer] 466 grams.
[Dylan] That's pure meth right there.
[Eric] We're gonna try to interview him.
You wanna go in there with me or...
[police officer] Yeah. I want you to take the lead.
[Eric] What's up, man?
Detective...
[Eric] You all right, man?
Basically, Chris, we both work for Kansas City, Kansas Narcotics Unit.
And today just happened to be the day that
we are in position to arrest you.
The amount of dope we got, looking at a lot of time.
Just with the amount of drugs,
theoretically, we're looking at 30 to 40 years or life.
There's a lot of issues, man.
And that's why we feel like
today would've been a good opportunity to approach you,
to try to... to try to get you to cooperate.
And here's the part where I'm gonna be honest with you.
You're not going home today.
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] Okay. You're not going home tomorrow.
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] And the reason is, we know that
you have people that you get from.
We know the time's getting close
probably to re-up, make a payment.
We're always interested in moving up the chain.
What I'm telling you is, you're gonna have one shot
for cooperation to help yourself out,
and today's the day.
[Nathan] Narcotics officers have arrested a mid-level meth dealer.
They are attempting to get him to reveal his supplier.
[Eric] You're gonna have one shot for cooperation
to help yourself out and today's the day.
What if you just told me about the people that you get from
and then we take it from there?
[Chris speaking]
How does cooperating with us hurt you?
[Chris speaking]
[detective] What would it, what would it hurt by talking to us?
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] Look at me. You're not gonna regret cooperating.
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] I'm trying to give you an opportunity to help yourself out.
So I can tell you this, if you fully cooperate
and agree to testify, they're giving anywhere,
I think between 40% and 50% off.
[detective] We say, "Oh yeah,
he did this. But he also did this to help us out."
[Eric] "He's been fully on board."
You know what I'm saying?
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] They could do that anyway.
You put them at risk the day you start selling dope.
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] Listen, you can tell me you sold
1,000 keys of methamphetamine in the last week, it doesn't matter.
Your criminal history, you can't go any higher.
You are about as high as you could possibly get,
but by doing nothing,
it... it pretty much can't get any worse.
That's what I'm trying to get through to you.
[Eric] Sometimes there's people that are scared to death
of the people that they're being supplied by,
uh, for various reasons.
And so you have to work through that with 'em,
and they have to come to the conclusion of,
is this worth me spending less time in jail?
They've... they've already made up in their mind,
I'll never tell anybody this.
I have to build that trust in such a quick amount of time so that they will.
[Eric] Listen, you owe them a bunch of money right now.
So, for instance,
let's say you were to make a phone call, hypothetically,
and let's say
you were to say, "Hey, money is ready."
And this individual said, "All right.
You know, where do you want me to go?"
And... and we already kind of knew where this
person was coming from based on your information,
we could take it from there.
And then you get that cooperation.
[detective] Point us in the right direction.
- [Eric] Point us... - [Chris] Free information.
[Eric] You're not giving us free information.
You're trying to trust me and I'm trying to trust you and...
But what it does is, put us where we need to be.
We'll do our own observations.
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] Okay.
If I get your phone, will you point 'em out to me?
Hey, I'm a magician with phone numbers.
Is there an opportunity to order up more today?
That's why I need your help now.
What does he drive?
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] What color?
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] Greenish, bluish, silver.
Is it like a four-door or two-door?
[Chris speaking]
Sporty kind of?
[Chris] Mmm-hmm.
All right, let me go look at that real quick.
[Eric] Anything and everything you got.
Yeah.
All right.
[Nathan] Using the dealer's description of the Audi,
the team find the same car linked to another case.
[Dylan] There's a description of an Audi A6, same color,
linked to a previous investigation.
[Nathan] They run the license plate
and find the owner.
[Dylan] And the car comes back to a Jose Zambrano.
[Eric] Do you know him?
Whose that?
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] That's awesome.
Good for us.
[Eric] You're making two to three grand a kilo.
- [Chris] Yes. - [Eric] The profit
is not there unless you're getting
the stuff from Mexico, converting it.
I think they're directly related to the cartel.
[Dylan] There's millions of dollars of meth coming out of Mexico.
Do I think the cartel is bringing drugs
into Kansas City, Kansas? Absolutely.
They drop 500 pounds in Texas
and 400 pounds in Oklahoma
and 300 pounds in Kansas City.
Would I love to take a case all the way back
to the border and say, yes,
it was tied to the cartel 100%?
I would love to do that.
[Eric] Okay, here's what I would like to do,
is we're gonna have an undercover...
meet with him.
[Nathan] Meth dealer Chris
has identified his supplier to the narcotics team.
They're preparing for another buy-bust
to go higher up the drug supply chain.
[Eric] How much advanced notice
do you need to give him before your meet him?
[Chris speaking]
[Eric] Hey, we're gonna try to lure this guy
to do a deal and we can go from there.
[Dylan] EJ, I found the address.
[Eric] Can someone go out to the address
and see if that Audi is in the driveway?
[police officer] We need to brief everybody.
[Nathan] The Special Operations Unit
arrives to receive instructions.
In about five minutes,
we're gonna have this guy place a text
and say, "Hey, I'm an hour out."
He has to stay here.
If the car is over at his house
and we have eyes on it.
And we make the phone call.
Two guys come out and load up in it
and start to head our way.
At that point,
when they pull up, we're gonna give you guys
the... the takedown signal.
Let's just take 'em.
Is everybody good with that?
[Nathan] Kansas City, Kansas Narcotics Unit
is attempting to arrest a large-scale meth dealer.
[police officer speaking]
[Dylan] Right. Yep, that's the game plan.
[Eric] Buy-busts are dangerous because
generally most drug traffickers are armed.
Somebody at that level,
they're pros at spotting law enforcement,
and so we got to be better than them on that day.
[cell phone ringing]
[woman speaking] How can I help you?
Hi, ma'am. My name is Eric Jones.
I'm with the police department, KCK.
- [woman speaking] Okay. - We're gonna be doing an operation
in the area, and I was just wondering
if you could keep the kids
from going outside and playing just for a little bit.
[woman speaking] Yep. No problem.
You know, I don't know life any other way right now.
I've done it so long that,
I'm accustomed to having two different lives going on.
You know, I have a beautiful family.
I'm heavily involved with them,
their sports, uh, church, stuff like that.
And then on the way into work, it's...
It's game time.
[Dylan] So this is the planned parking lot to our right.
Are you coming up to the Dollar General?
[Eric] Hopefully, SOU is gonna be moving in right behind him.
[police officer speaking]
[police officer] Three-six-fifty-six-three.
We're nine minutes out, nine minutes.
There's your helicopter.
[helicopter hovering]
[cell phone ringing]
- [woman] Hey. - [Eric] Go ahead and have the text ready.
Don't send it, but just say I'm in a black GMC.
[woman] Don't send it yet,
but go ahead and type out, "I'm in a black GMC."
[police officer speaking]
Copy. KHP, that's our target vehicle.
[police officer] The Audi is our target vehicle.
- [Eric] Hey. - [woman] Yeah, EJ.
All right, go ahead and send it.
Send it.
All right, it's sent.
[Eric] All right. Thank you.
[police officer] So he's coming right up here.
It'll be a two-door Audi.
[police officer speaking]
[Dylan] Once he starts pulling in this Dollar General,
once you see them park next to the car,
go ahead and take it.
[police officer] I can see him.
[Dylan] Got him.
[police officer speaking]
Give me the air SOU move in.
He's right up against...
[police officer] Move in, Jake. Move in.
[Dylan] Watch out, SUV coming from here.
[police officer] Contact. Contact.
[police officer] We're secure?
[Eric] Get all surveillance and the helicopter back that way.
We're good.
Good job.
[Eric] What you got here, bro?
There you go? Mardi Gras.
Yeah, something like that.
- Protection. - I like you, man. I like you.
- Protection? - Yeah.
Yeah, we'll go ahead and put these in here.
[Dylan] Informant is confident there's a trap
[Eric] Underneath the center console?
Okay. In the Audi, there's a hidden compartment.
The CI said either center console
or somewhere in the back.
[Dylan] We gotta find a button.
[Eric] We'll see if he wants to save me two hours.
[officer speaking]
This is a life-changing moment for you.
We don't show up here with all this element...
- Yeah. - without knowing what's going on.
- Right? - Yeah.
I mean, you're not dumb, all right?
So, this is the time...
[Jose speaking]
- Huh? - [Jose speaking]
Yeah.
EJ.
- Tell him what we need to do. - What do we need to do?
- Lights. Signal. - Signal?
Yeah.
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] That is it?
[Jose speaking]
Yeah. Go ahead.
[Jose speaking]
[officer] We get it, we get it.
[Eric] Show... show me where's the point.
[Jose] Right here. Yeah.
[Eric] What's right here?
[Eric] All right, we're good.
- [police officer] Yeah. - [Eric] Thank you.
[Dylan] We got a lot of stuff.
Just so everybody knows what we have going on,
we got what we think to be about two keys out of the car.
Firearm.
[Eric] Respirator, acetone.
[Dylan] Dude, he's... he's converting it,
he's converting it himself.
And there's a receipt in there for a respirator, acetone,
vinyl gloves in the car.
- [police officer] Oh, really? - [Dylan] Yes.
[police officer speaking]
[Eric] Yeah.
[Phillip] Can SOU go ahead and execute?
[police officer] Go right ahead, we're about two minutes away.
Knock yourselves out, big boys.
I'll follow you over.
[Nathan] The Special Operations Unit
prepares to raid a property linked to the suspect.
[police officer on radio] Opening the, uh, outside patio door.
[police officer] Police. Search warrant.
[police officer] Police Department search warrant.
[police officer] These are descriptions
[police officer] Look it. Right there.
[Eric] Oh, yeah.
[Dylan] So there's a bag of dirty meth upstairs.
[Eric] When the meth oil gets up here,
it's still in a liquid form.
It basically then has to be converted to,
uh, the shards, the ice shards or the the hard product
that can be ingested by meth users.
I mean, the price of meth is so cheap now,
and there's a lot of people that are addicted to it here.
[police officer] This all came from the front room,
kitchen. There's another gun in there.
[Dylan] Oh, yeah. The trunk's full of acetone bottles.
[Eric] Kansas City has always kind of been a meth hub.
At one time, we were kind of known as the meth capital
of the world because of, uh,
the clandestine labs that people were making
in their backyard, in their basement,
in the trunks of cars and stuff like that.
KCK was known as the Wild West,
but it's still bad right now.
[Phillip] It's a lot of guns.
We're running out of space.
[police officer] Look how dirty that is.
- That's some dirty ass meth man. - Damn.
It's not Breaking Bad blue, uh, Hawaiian or whatever they called it.
[Eric] Fifty thousand, forty-one thousand.
These are some good ledgers.
So they've given him that much.
And then once he pays it, they scratch it,
and then they put the rest,
that's how much that guy has bought from him.
[Phillip] Old school, keeping it on paper, huh?
Is our boy on there?
[Eric] Well, he could be Gordo.
These ledgers are good, man.
Keys. Yeah, ledgers.
And the ledgers that are in there?
- [Dylan] Yeah. - hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Yeah.
[Eric] I haven't seen ledgers like that
since the '90s when cocaine was hot and heavy.
What I would do is have CSI bring out the, uh, spotlights.
[Nathan] Despite the discovery of ledgers,
no cash was found in the property.
[Dylan] That money was going somewhere.
I'm confident in saying it was
getting shipped back to Mexico.
[Dylan] Come on. Let's lay it all out.
Guns, documents, currency, ammo.
[Phillip] So that's... that's another kilo right there.
Go ahead and turn around.
All right, we're gonna go straight back to the shower.
[Eric] When you start seeing conversion labs
and you see people that have hidden compartments,
you're dealing with somebody that's,
uh, pretty high level.
They're not really playing games,
you know, they're there to make
money and to push out.
So now it's kind of a cat and mouse game.
If somebody like that flips, he can go to the top.
We're gonna try to interview him.
[Dylan] I like to use the analogy when you go fishing.
What's your ultimate goal?
It's to catch the biggest fish.
Well, you can go out and catch a bunch of little fish.
Um, but the goal is to win that trophy,
you get the biggest fish you can.
Sky's the limit.
You never know. You never know how high you're gonna go.
- [Eric] That all right? - [man] Yeah.
[Eric] All right, I'll be right back with you.
[Nathan] After discovering evidence of a meth lab
and ledgers
alluding to millions of dollars' worth of drug deals,
the Narcotics team prepare to question Jose Zambrano.
[Eric] What I'm gonna do is, I'm gonna go ahead and read your rights.
Before I ask you any questions
you have to understand your rights.
You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say can be used against you in court.
You have the right to talk to a lawyer for advice.
At any time I'm talking to you,
you still have the right to say,
"Hey, man, I... I think right now I wanna talk to a lawyer."
-[Eric] Do you understand this? -Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [Eric] Okay. - [Jose speaking]
- [Eric] You've seen cops? - Yeah.
[Eric] Yeah? So you never wanna be a cop?
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] Yeah. All right.
So, uh,
- the gun in the car... - Yeah.
where did you get that from?
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] The gun show?
- It's very nice. - Yeah.
I mean, you know, I mean, the drug trade is scary, right?
-[Jose] Yeah. -[Eric] You gotta protect yourself.
You never know.
[Eric] Never know when somebody trying to get at you.
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] Basically, this has been an ongoing investigation,
obviously, uh, which... which is kind of what led
to you showing up in the parking lot today.
Which probably is some type of conversion lab.
At one of the houses, uh, that you have utilities too.
Um, so basically meth oil being converted to meth.
- Mmm. - [Eric] Do you have
contact with people that have more?
- No. No. - [Eric] You don't?
[Eric] So you don't have contact with people
or they just don't have more?
No, the people I know nobody.
[Eric] So where does it come from?
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] No but where does it come from?
You're not comfortable talking about where it comes from?
- Mmm-hmm. - Or do you like--
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] Well, oh, okay, uh, listen, I hear you.
I hear you, but I don't believe it.
You owe people money, right?
Well, you owe somebody money, correct?
[Jose] No. Nobody.
- [Eric] You don't owe anybody money? - Mmm-mmm.
[Eric] I know that there's Hispanic dealers
that have all their family in Mexico,
and they're tied to a cartel,
and they're scared to death of the people
that they're being supplied by
because their family is legitimately at risk if they cooperate.
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] You're leaving stuff out, bro.
I know that there's more.
[Eric] You wanna put them in a place
where they feel like they have to tell the truth.
A lot of times, I want them to know is like,
look, I don't need your confession,
our case on you is made.
I'm here to give you an opportunity to help yourself out.
[Eric] For all you know, I've been following you all day.
Yeah?
[Jose speaking]
You can tell he's in there sweating.
[Eric] Have you ever had friends or
other people that have been charged for distribution of drugs?
-[Jose] No. -[Eric] You don't know anybody?
- No. - [Eric] You don't understand how that works?
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] Well, so for instance,
if... if somebody is caught with
- over 500 grams of a mixture... - Mmm-hmm.
- uh, the mandatory minimum for that is ten years. - Okay.
Okay? If you have a gun
with the methamphetamine,
that gun can be up to five more.
- [Eric] Okay? - [Jose] Mmm-hmm.
[Eric] So, back to your situation, to get cooperation,
- you have to fully cooperate. - [Jose] Yeah, I know.
I've told what I have.
[Dylan] Dude, he's a big... He's a big player.
He's playing games.
[Dylan speaking]
[Eric] I'm gonna go back at him.
You wanna build trust with them
to the point of,
"Hey, meet me halfway across this bridge."
You never know.
I've... we've done that before
and sometimes it takes you right into Mexico,
and that all started with the flip.
[Eric] Basically, I'm... I'm almost done asking questions.
You hold an ace in your pocket.
And here's the thing is, once I book you...
- [Jose] Yeah. - [Eric] You're not gonna be able to play it.
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] You know exactly what more I want you to tell me.
[Eric] Point out a house,
point out a person,
point out a phone number.
Anything,
- to help yourself up. - Mmm-mmm.
- [Eric] Are you scared? - No.
[Jose] Nothing.
Just loyalty?
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] Maybe where a bunch of money is sitting.
- [Jose] I wish. - [Eric] Yeah, it's hard.
[Jose speaking]
[Eric] Vacation?
All right, man. I'll be... I'll be back with you.
- Cool. - You need another water?
- No, I'm good, man. - [Eric] Okay. All right.
- [Eric] Book him. - [officer] Book him down.
I would love to say that
we could get everybody to flip and cooperate,
and it's just not that way.
[Eric] I mean, so some of them believe, like, hey,
I could be out next week, so I'm not
gonna tell you anything right now.
Some people take that risk and some people lose.
It's a loss for us too.
But, you know, we keep going.
We understand that this isn't a war that is gonna be won easy,
but we think we can make a difference.
I know we've made a difference.
[man] Your dress.
Put that on.
[Dylan] There's always a risk.
Somebody that is responsible for moving
hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars
probably has the capability of having
some type of backing of a great attorney to, um,
not necessarily get 'em out of the charges
but get 'em out of the jail.
I think in the back of his mind, he knew,
"Put me in jail, I'm gonna get out
and good luck finding me."