1 00:00:11,079 --> 00:00:13,547 (cell phone rings) 2 00:00:13,547 --> 00:00:14,682 MORNING, LISBON. 3 00:00:14,682 --> 00:00:16,783 MORNING. YOU CLOSE? 4 00:00:16,783 --> 00:00:18,852 NO. FLAT TIRE. 5 00:00:18,852 --> 00:00:20,754 ALL RIGHT. WELL, WE'LL TALK WHEN YOU GET HERE. 6 00:00:20,754 --> 00:00:22,222 OH, WAIT A MINUTE. JUST 'CAUSE I'M NOT THERE 7 00:00:22,222 --> 00:00:24,091 DOESN'T MEAN I CAN'T BE OF HELP. 8 00:00:24,091 --> 00:00:25,626 HOLD ON A SEC. WHAT DO YOU GOT? 9 00:00:25,626 --> 00:00:27,361 VICTIM'S NAME IS MICHELLE KARP... 10 00:00:27,361 --> 00:00:29,230 I'M PUTTING YOU ON SPEAKER. 11 00:00:29,230 --> 00:00:31,099 19. She left the restaurant where she worked 12 00:00:31,099 --> 00:00:34,435 around 11:00 p.m. Never made it home. 13 00:00:34,435 --> 00:00:36,503 HER BODY WAS DUMPED HERE SOMETIME LATE LAST NIGHT. 14 00:00:36,503 --> 00:00:37,838 DOG WALKER FOUND HER AN HOUR AGO. 15 00:00:37,838 --> 00:00:39,640 THANKS. ALL RIGHT. 16 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,774 (siren whoops) (sighs) THE BODY'S ON STATE PARK LAND 17 00:00:41,774 --> 00:00:45,779 NEAR A PICNIC AREA NOT FAR FROM THE ROAD. 18 00:00:45,779 --> 00:00:50,250 HER THROAT WAS SLIT. IT LOOKS PRETTY CLEAN, PRECISE. 19 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:52,051 HARDLY A DROP. SHE'S FULLY CLOTHED, 20 00:00:52,051 --> 00:00:54,121 SO PROBABLY NO SEXUAL ASSAULT. 21 00:00:54,121 --> 00:00:57,524 HER HANDS AND FEET ARE BOUND WITH WIRE. 22 00:00:57,524 --> 00:00:59,359 SMALL PEBBLES HAVE BEEN PLACED ON HER EYES. 23 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,729 HUH, NICE TOUCH. PEBBLES FROM THE CRIME SCENE? 24 00:01:02,729 --> 00:01:04,265 IT LOOKS LIKE IT, YEAH. 25 00:01:04,265 --> 00:01:07,534 AND THE--OH. AND THE WIRE? 26 00:01:07,534 --> 00:01:10,737 IT'S KNOTTED. NEATLY, CAREFULLY. 27 00:01:10,737 --> 00:01:13,141 SOMEONE TOOK THEIR TIME. 28 00:01:15,843 --> 00:01:17,378 YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 29 00:01:17,378 --> 00:01:20,147 I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. 30 00:01:20,147 --> 00:01:21,948 YOU WERE THINKING, WHOEVER DID THIS 31 00:01:21,948 --> 00:01:24,617 HAS KILLED BEFORE MANY TIMES. 32 00:01:24,617 --> 00:01:26,653 YES, BUT I CAN'T ASSUME THAT. 33 00:01:26,653 --> 00:01:28,388 TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS, LISBON. 34 00:01:28,388 --> 00:01:32,091 HEY, BOSS. JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH FRESNO P.D. 35 00:01:32,091 --> 00:01:33,293 The killer's M.O. fits four other murders they've had 36 00:01:33,293 --> 00:01:35,396 in the past 18 months. 37 00:01:35,396 --> 00:01:37,331 LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT A SERIAL KILLER. 38 00:01:39,098 --> 00:01:41,134 Huh? See? 39 00:01:41,134 --> 00:01:43,036 YOU CALLED IT, LISBON. 40 00:01:43,036 --> 00:01:45,539 YOU CALLED IT! 41 00:01:47,007 --> 00:01:49,810 ** 42 00:01:49,810 --> 00:01:53,781 Captioned by Closed Captioning Services, Inc. 43 00:02:01,054 --> 00:02:03,456 FRESNO P.D. SENT OVER THEIR FILES ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. 44 00:02:03,456 --> 00:02:04,858 HERE'S WHAT WE GOT SO FAR. 45 00:02:04,858 --> 00:02:07,460 THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER ABDUCTS YOUNG GIRLS, 46 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:10,264 ALL BETWEEN THE AGES OF 16 AND 20. 47 00:02:10,264 --> 00:02:12,599 WHERE HE BINDS THEIR HANDS AND FEET WITH WIRE, 48 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:14,701 THEN CUTS THEIR THROAT BEFORE DUMPING THE BODIES. 49 00:02:14,701 --> 00:02:17,871 SMALL OBJECTS FOUND NEAR THE CRIME SCENE ARE PLACED 50 00:02:17,871 --> 00:02:20,341 PEBBLES, PIECES OF GLASS, AND BOTTLE CAPS SO FAR. 51 00:02:20,341 --> 00:02:22,175 ANY PATTERN TO WHERE THE BODIES WERE FOUND? 52 00:02:22,175 --> 00:02:24,177 NO, IT SEEMS RANDOM, BUT WE-- 53 00:02:24,177 --> 00:02:25,812 WERE TAKEN AT OPPORTUNE MOMENTS, 54 00:02:25,812 --> 00:02:27,580 OFTEN THE ONLY TIME OF DAY THAT THEY WERE LEFT ALONE, 55 00:02:27,580 --> 00:02:29,216 MEANING HE STALKS THEM BEFORE HE KILLS THEM. 56 00:02:29,216 --> 00:02:31,551 DOES FRESNO P.D. HAVE A SUSPECT? 57 00:02:31,551 --> 00:02:33,687 YEP. (sighs) 58 00:02:33,687 --> 00:02:35,555 EIGHT SUSPECTS? 59 00:02:35,555 --> 00:02:37,358 YEAH. BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF FORENSIC EVIDENCE, 60 00:02:37,358 --> 00:02:38,891 THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO NARROW DOWN THE LIST. 61 00:02:38,891 --> 00:02:40,493 ALL RIGHT. GRAB CHO, GET THE LIST OF NAMES, 62 00:02:40,493 --> 00:02:41,961 AND TALK TO THEM ONE BY ONE. 63 00:02:41,961 --> 00:02:42,962 OKAY. 64 00:02:42,962 --> 00:02:44,698 MEH. WHAT? 65 00:02:44,698 --> 00:02:46,433 WELL, YOU'RE JUST GOING THROUGH THE MOTIONS. 66 00:02:46,433 --> 00:02:47,700 YEAH, IT'S CALLED POLICE WORK. 67 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:49,802 WELL, WHY NOT TRY A FRESH APPROACH? 68 00:02:49,802 --> 00:02:51,239 LIKE WHAT, TAROT CARDS? 69 00:02:51,239 --> 00:02:53,507 GO DIRECTLY TO THE ONE THAT FEELS RIGHT. 70 00:02:53,507 --> 00:02:55,675 LOOK, THESE ARE ALL VIABLE SUSPECTS. 71 00:02:55,675 --> 00:02:57,645 THE FRESNO P.D. DID THEIR JOB WELL. 72 00:02:57,645 --> 00:02:59,780 SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA DO THE SAME JOB OVER AGAIN? 73 00:02:59,780 --> 00:03:03,082 TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THESE GUYS. USE YOUR INTUITION. 74 00:03:03,082 --> 00:03:04,617 (sighs) WHICH ONE IS GUILTY? 75 00:03:07,221 --> 00:03:10,424 OH, COME ON. YOU'VE BEEN A COP FOR A LONG TIME. 76 00:03:10,424 --> 00:03:11,959 WITHOUT KNOWING YOU KNOW IT. 77 00:03:11,959 --> 00:03:13,926 TAKE A GUESS AND RUN WITH IT. 78 00:03:13,926 --> 00:03:16,062 ALL RIGHT. OKAY. 79 00:03:16,062 --> 00:03:17,063 OKAY. 80 00:03:17,063 --> 00:03:19,766 ALL RIGHT. OKAY. 81 00:03:20,834 --> 00:03:23,236 NOT HIM. 82 00:03:23,236 --> 00:03:25,406 BOW TIE--NO. 83 00:03:29,576 --> 00:03:30,843 NOT HIM... 84 00:03:30,843 --> 00:03:32,846 (photo rustles) 85 00:03:32,846 --> 00:03:34,247 OR HIM. 86 00:03:34,247 --> 00:03:37,251 (rustle) 87 00:03:37,251 --> 00:03:39,819 IT COULD BE HIM. 88 00:03:39,819 --> 00:03:41,754 SNEAKY EYES. 89 00:03:43,557 --> 00:03:45,658 ON THE OTHER HAND, HE'S GOT A COLLEGE EDUCATION. 90 00:03:45,658 --> 00:03:47,360 EH, THAT PROFILING BLATHER-- FORGET ABOUT THAT. 91 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:48,762 GO WITH YOUR GUT. 92 00:03:48,762 --> 00:03:51,531 (sighs) 93 00:03:51,531 --> 00:03:54,502 THERE. IN SECONDS, YOU'VE WHITTLED IT DOWN 94 00:03:54,502 --> 00:03:56,469 TO A MANAGEABLE THREE SUSPECTS. 95 00:03:56,469 --> 00:03:58,872 WHICH ONE OF THESE GUYS JUMPS OUT AT YOU? 96 00:04:00,274 --> 00:04:03,443 (telephone rings in distance) 97 00:04:06,045 --> 00:04:08,649 THIS ONE? 98 00:04:08,649 --> 00:04:11,117 WELL, YEAH, BUT IT'S JUST A HUNCH. 99 00:04:11,117 --> 00:04:15,021 BEST KIND OF HUNCH. AS GOOD A PLACE TO START AS ANY. 100 00:04:16,223 --> 00:04:17,858 NICELY DONE, LISBON. 101 00:04:17,858 --> 00:04:20,327 (Van Pelt) HIS NAME IS RICHARD HAIBACH. 102 00:04:20,327 --> 00:04:22,663 HE'S 44 YEARS OLD, LIVES ALONE. 103 00:04:22,663 --> 00:04:24,365 HE HAS AN ALIBI FOR TWO OF THE MURDERS, 104 00:04:24,365 --> 00:04:26,699 BUT FRESNO P.D. LOGGED COMPLAINTS AGAINST HIM 105 00:04:26,699 --> 00:04:27,968 FOR LOITERING. 106 00:04:27,968 --> 00:04:30,303 APPARENTLY HE LIKES TO PARK OUTSIDE LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS, 107 00:04:30,303 --> 00:04:32,139 INCLUDING ONE A VICTIM WENT TO. 108 00:04:32,139 --> 00:04:33,139 THAT'S ALL I GOT. 109 00:04:33,139 --> 00:04:34,675 ALL RIGHT. 110 00:04:34,675 --> 00:04:38,177 YOU MIND WAITING HERE? I WANT TO TALK TO HIM ON MY OWN. 111 00:04:38,177 --> 00:04:39,312 SURE. 112 00:05:01,233 --> 00:05:03,370 RICHARD HAIBACH? 113 00:05:03,370 --> 00:05:04,637 WHO ARE YOU? 114 00:05:04,637 --> 00:05:06,374 I'M AGENT LISBON WITH THE CBI. 115 00:05:06,374 --> 00:05:07,641 YOU MIND IF I ASK YOU A FEW QUESTIONS? 116 00:05:07,641 --> 00:05:09,709 (sighs) ACTUALLY, I DO. 117 00:05:09,709 --> 00:05:13,713 IT SHOULDN'T TAKE LONG, SIR. CAN I COME IN? 118 00:05:13,713 --> 00:05:17,050 OKAY. UH, CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU WERE LAST NIGHT? 119 00:05:17,050 --> 00:05:20,788 HOME ALONE ALL NIGHT. WHY, WAS THERE ANOTHER MURDER? 120 00:05:20,788 --> 00:05:23,524 I CAN'T COMMENT ON AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION, SIR. 121 00:05:23,524 --> 00:05:25,358 THAT MEANS THERE WAS ONE. I'M NOT DUMB. 122 00:05:25,358 --> 00:05:27,026 I HAVE SAID A HUNDRED TIMES ALREADY, 123 00:05:27,026 --> 00:05:31,531 I'VE GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. 124 00:05:31,531 --> 00:05:34,401 I'M GETTING SO TIRED OF YOU HARASSING ME ALL THE TIME. 125 00:05:34,401 --> 00:05:36,536 MR. HAIBACH, I JUST HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, 126 00:05:36,536 --> 00:05:38,538 AND THEN I'LL BE ON MY WAY. I KNOW THE LAW. 127 00:05:38,538 --> 00:05:39,939 I DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER YOUR DAMN QUESTIONS. 128 00:05:39,939 --> 00:05:42,543 I DON'T HAVE TO TO TELL YOU ANYTHING. 129 00:05:56,757 --> 00:05:58,425 (cell phone keypad beeps) 130 00:05:58,425 --> 00:06:01,093 (rings) 131 00:06:01,093 --> 00:06:03,163 HEY, BOSS. 132 00:06:03,163 --> 00:06:05,833 YEAH, I CHECKED OUT THE OTHER TWO SUSPECTS ON THE LIST. 133 00:06:05,833 --> 00:06:07,367 The first has been out of state all week. 134 00:06:07,367 --> 00:06:09,802 The FAA flight list confirms it. 135 00:06:09,802 --> 00:06:10,803 The second was at home with his wife, kids, 136 00:06:10,803 --> 00:06:13,372 and in-laws last night. 137 00:06:13,372 --> 00:06:15,709 CHO'S WORKING THOSE. HALF ALIBIED OUT STRAIGHTAWAY. 138 00:06:15,709 --> 00:06:17,043 HE'S STARTING ON THE OTHER HALF NOW. 139 00:06:17,043 --> 00:06:18,812 Hold off. I want you two to canvas 140 00:06:18,812 --> 00:06:20,047 THE AREA OF THE CRIME SCENE. 141 00:06:20,047 --> 00:06:21,649 SEE IF YOU CAN PUT RICHARD HAIBACH 142 00:06:21,649 --> 00:06:24,418 ANYWHERE NEAR THERE LAST NIGHT. 143 00:06:24,418 --> 00:06:26,553 SO? IS HE OUR GUY? (clatters) 144 00:06:26,553 --> 00:06:28,755 I DIDN'T GET A GOOD FEELING FROM HIM. 145 00:06:28,755 --> 00:06:32,125 (keys jangle, ignition clicks) 146 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:33,593 (indistinct conversations) 147 00:06:33,593 --> 00:06:34,862 SO WE'LL START WITH AN INTRO, YOU KNOW, 148 00:06:34,862 --> 00:06:36,463 BACKGROUND ON THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER, 149 00:06:36,463 --> 00:06:38,665 AND THEN I'LL GO RIGHT INTO QUESTIONS FOR YOU TWO. 150 00:06:38,665 --> 00:06:40,199 (speaks inaudibly) 151 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:43,403 UM, WAIT. EXCUSE ME, GENTLEMEN, ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. 152 00:06:43,403 --> 00:06:46,072 PAUL, CAN YOU HOLD THE ROLL, PLEASE? 153 00:06:47,441 --> 00:06:50,944 MR. JANE, HOW ARE YOU? 154 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:54,180 HELLO, KAREN. OKAY, LISTEN, I UNDERSTAND, 155 00:06:54,180 --> 00:06:56,082 IT'S A WHOLE NEW FORMAT, MORE INTIMATE, 156 00:06:56,082 --> 00:07:00,286 NONE OF THAT "GOTCHA" JOURNALISM THAT THEY MADE ME DO. 157 00:07:00,286 --> 00:07:03,490 OH. WHAT'D THEY DO, HOLD YOUR SHOES HOSTAGE? 158 00:07:03,490 --> 00:07:05,492 (chuckles) VERY FUNNY. 159 00:07:05,492 --> 00:07:08,562 THIS WEEK I'M TAKING AN IN-DEPTH LOOK 160 00:07:08,562 --> 00:07:12,833 I WAS HOPING YOU'D JOIN ME FOR THE BROADCAST THURSDAY NIGHT, 161 00:07:12,833 --> 00:07:15,502 YOU DON'T NEED ME. YOU HAVE SPECIAL AGENT WAINRIGHT HERE. 162 00:07:15,502 --> 00:07:17,771 HE'S A GOOD, HONEST MAN. 163 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:20,139 YES, BUT HE DOESN'T POP ON CAMERA THE WAY YOU DO. 164 00:07:20,139 --> 00:07:21,875 OH, KAREN, YOU FLATTER ME. 165 00:07:21,875 --> 00:07:24,845 GOOD TO SEE YOU. BE WELL. 166 00:07:24,845 --> 00:07:26,312 (sighs) 167 00:07:26,312 --> 00:07:30,651 LET'S GO. (clears throat) 168 00:07:30,651 --> 00:07:32,786 WITH ME TODAY IS SPECIAL AGENT LUTHER WAINRIGHT 169 00:07:32,786 --> 00:07:36,088 OF THE CBI--WELCOME-- AND JAMES PANZER, 170 00:07:36,088 --> 00:07:37,658 AN INVESTIGATIVE CRIME REPORTER AND BLOGGER. 171 00:07:37,658 --> 00:07:39,391 MR. PANZER, WE'LL START WITH YOU. 172 00:07:39,391 --> 00:07:41,495 YOU'VE BEEN TRACKING THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER 173 00:07:41,495 --> 00:07:44,096 FOR HOW LONG NOW? 174 00:07:44,096 --> 00:07:45,798 NEARLY TWO YEARS NOW, KAREN. MM-HMM. 175 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:48,201 THAT'S WHEN HE TOOK THE LIFE OF MOLLY MAIER, 176 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:50,403 A YOUNG GIRL WHO LIVED JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM ME 177 00:07:50,403 --> 00:07:51,838 BACK IN FRESNO. 178 00:07:51,838 --> 00:07:54,206 UH, THAT WAS HIS FIRST VICTIM THAT WE KNOW OF. 179 00:07:54,206 --> 00:07:56,242 AND PURSUING HIM IS PRETTY MUCH YOUR LIFE NOW, RIGHT? 180 00:07:56,242 --> 00:07:59,045 YOU CREATED A WEB SITE DEVOTED TO HIS CAPTURE? 181 00:07:59,045 --> 00:08:00,913 YES, THAT'S RIGHT. MOLLY'S FAMILY-- 182 00:08:00,913 --> 00:08:02,915 THEY'RE GOOD PEOPLE, AND THEY DESERVE JUSTICE. 183 00:08:02,915 --> 00:08:05,084 ALL HIS VICTIMS DESERVE JUSTICE. 184 00:08:05,084 --> 00:08:07,920 I'M SIMPLY TRYING TO HELP ACHIEVE THAT GOAL. 185 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,757 AND S-SPECIAL-- LIEUTENANT WAINRIGHT... 186 00:08:10,757 --> 00:08:12,959 SPECIAL AGENT-- AND SPECIAL AGENT WAINRIGHT, 187 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:14,762 HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO THAT GOAL, 188 00:08:14,762 --> 00:08:17,363 TO ARRESTING THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER? 189 00:08:17,363 --> 00:08:20,367 WELL, KAREN, WE ARE ABSOLUTELY MAKING PROGRESS. 190 00:08:20,367 --> 00:08:23,435 (beeps) 191 00:08:23,435 --> 00:08:26,839 (footsteps approaching) 192 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:28,841 WORKING ON A COMPUTER? 193 00:08:28,841 --> 00:08:31,545 WHAT'S NEXT, RAY GUNS, TELEPORTERS? 194 00:08:31,545 --> 00:08:33,145 MM. (cell phone rings) 195 00:08:33,145 --> 00:08:35,215 HANG ON. HEY, CHO. 196 00:08:35,215 --> 00:08:38,217 Haibach wasn't home last night. 197 00:08:38,217 --> 00:08:40,953 ABOUT AN HOUR BEFORE MICHELLE KARP WENT MISSING. 198 00:08:40,953 --> 00:08:43,255 OWNER I.D.'d HIM, SAID HE WAS PARKED IN FRONT OF HIS STORE 199 00:08:43,255 --> 00:08:45,258 FOR 20 MINUTES BEFORE HE WENT INSIDE. 200 00:08:45,258 --> 00:08:47,460 HOW CLOSE IS CLOSE TO THE CRIME SCENE? 201 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:49,697 HEY, HOW FAR FROM THE CRIME SCENE ARE WE? 202 00:08:49,697 --> 00:08:51,298 (mouth full) SIX BLOCKS. 203 00:08:51,298 --> 00:08:52,566 WHAT? 204 00:08:52,566 --> 00:08:55,034 SIX BLOCKS. 205 00:08:55,034 --> 00:08:56,736 ALL RIGHT. I'LL WORK ON JUDGE WATERS. 206 00:08:56,736 --> 00:08:58,871 THE PROXIMITY AND THE FACT THAT HAIBACH LIED 207 00:08:58,871 --> 00:09:01,374 SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO GET HIM TO SIGN OFF ON A SEARCH WARRANT. 208 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:02,710 Okay. 209 00:09:05,645 --> 00:09:07,748 (mouth full) WHAT? 210 00:09:07,748 --> 00:09:09,481 HOW DO YOU NOT FEEL THAT ON YOUR FACE? 211 00:09:09,481 --> 00:09:11,719 FEEL WHAT? 212 00:09:14,254 --> 00:09:17,323 (horn honks in distance) 213 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:22,663 (dog barks) 214 00:09:22,663 --> 00:09:25,164 (Patrick) JAMES PANZER? 215 00:09:25,164 --> 00:09:26,899 HELLO. THANKS FOR MEETING WITH ME. 216 00:09:26,899 --> 00:09:29,769 OH, ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP WITH THE INVESTIGATION. 217 00:09:29,769 --> 00:09:32,471 SO, JAMES, WHAT'S YOUR DEAL? 218 00:09:32,471 --> 00:09:35,008 YOU'VE DEVOTED YOUR LIFE TO THE CAPTURE OF A SERIAL KILLER. 219 00:09:35,008 --> 00:09:38,411 THAT'S EITHER VERY SAINTLY OR VERY WEIRD. 220 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:40,614 WELL, THAT'S AN ODD NOTION COMING FROM YOU, 221 00:09:40,614 --> 00:09:42,750 AND I KNOW ABOUT YOU, MR. JANE. 222 00:09:42,750 --> 00:09:45,052 AH, I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT. 223 00:09:45,052 --> 00:09:47,153 RED JOHN DID KILL MY FAMILY. 224 00:09:47,153 --> 00:09:49,056 UH, WHAT IS IT THAT GIVES YOU CAUSE? 225 00:09:49,056 --> 00:09:51,024 WHAT DID MOLLY MAIER MEAN TO YOU? 226 00:09:51,024 --> 00:09:53,192 WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW HER. I NEVER SPOKE TO HER. 227 00:09:53,192 --> 00:09:55,729 I JUST SAW HER AT THE BUS STOP A COUPLE OF TIMES, 228 00:09:55,729 --> 00:09:57,965 BUT, UH, IT WAS SUCH A BRUTAL ACT. 229 00:09:57,965 --> 00:09:59,466 I MEAN, IT WAS SO CLOSE TO HOME THAT 230 00:09:59,466 --> 00:10:02,168 IT HAD A VISCERAL IMPACT ON ME THAT I COULDN'T SHAKE. 231 00:10:02,168 --> 00:10:03,470 I DON'T KNOW WHY. 232 00:10:03,470 --> 00:10:05,538 I MEAN, PEOPLE SEARCH FOR REASON OR MEANING 233 00:10:05,538 --> 00:10:08,375 BEHIND EVENTS IN THEIR LIVES, WHEN MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, 234 00:10:08,375 --> 00:10:10,076 THERE IS NONE. 235 00:10:10,076 --> 00:10:13,145 OH, UH, CONGRATULATIONS, BY THE WAY. 236 00:10:13,145 --> 00:10:15,548 THANK YOU. FOR WHAT? 237 00:10:15,548 --> 00:10:17,549 YOU KILLED RED JOHN. 238 00:10:17,549 --> 00:10:21,754 OH, THAT. YES. HMM. 239 00:10:21,754 --> 00:10:25,993 YEAH, UH... NOT AS SATISFYING AS YOU MIGHT THINK. 240 00:10:25,993 --> 00:10:28,260 YOU KNOW, SOMETHING OCCURRED TO ME WHILE I WAS READING 241 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:29,830 YOUR WEB SITE. YES? 242 00:10:29,830 --> 00:10:32,131 THE PEOPLE THAT POST COMMENTS ON THE SITE, 243 00:10:32,131 --> 00:10:35,101 UH, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED THAT ONE OF THEM MIGHT BE 244 00:10:35,101 --> 00:10:38,871 WELL, IT'S A POSSIBILITY, ALBEIT A RATHER OBVIOUS ONE. 245 00:10:38,871 --> 00:10:40,606 YOU SEE, THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER 246 00:10:40,606 --> 00:10:42,743 IS NOT LIKE OTHER SERIAL KILLERS. 247 00:10:42,743 --> 00:10:45,312 HE DOESN'T KILL FOR THE SAME REASONS. 248 00:10:45,312 --> 00:10:48,581 HE COMMITS MURDER SOLELY FOR THE IMMEDIATE PLEASURE 249 00:10:48,581 --> 00:10:50,216 THAT HE TAKES IN THE ACT. 250 00:10:50,216 --> 00:10:52,820 THE MEDIA, OTHER PEOPLE'S REACTIONS-- 251 00:10:52,820 --> 00:10:55,322 THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO HIM. 252 00:10:55,322 --> 00:10:59,726 EXACTLY. CONSIDER THE WAY HE MURDERS HIS VICTIMS. 253 00:10:59,726 --> 00:11:03,395 HE SLITS THEIR THROATS SLOWLY, CAREFULLY, 254 00:11:03,395 --> 00:11:08,201 SO HE CAN WATCH THE LIFE DRAIN OUT OF THEIR EYES. 255 00:11:08,201 --> 00:11:11,238 UH, I APOLOGIZE IF I'M MAKING YOU UNCOMFORTABLE. 256 00:11:11,238 --> 00:11:13,340 OH, NO. IT'S IN MY WHEELHOUSE. 257 00:11:13,340 --> 00:11:16,976 THIS KILLER HAS COME TO CONSUME ME. (chuckles) 258 00:11:16,976 --> 00:11:19,011 MR. PANZER, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL 259 00:11:19,011 --> 00:11:21,280 ABOUT HELPING ME WITH THIS INVESTIGATION? 260 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,884 (chuckles) WELL, THERE'S NOTHING I WOULD LIKE MORE. 261 00:11:23,884 --> 00:11:25,418 EXCELLENT. 262 00:11:27,821 --> 00:11:31,691 MR. HAIBACH, CBI. OPEN UP. 263 00:11:31,691 --> 00:11:34,161 I TOLD YOU, I'M THROUGH ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS. 264 00:11:34,161 --> 00:11:36,028 I'M THROUGH BEING HARASSED. 265 00:11:36,028 --> 00:11:38,932 I HAVE RIGHTS, LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, RIGHT? 266 00:11:38,932 --> 00:11:41,033 TO TALK TO YOU! THIS IS A WARRANT TO SEARCH THE PREMISES. 267 00:11:41,033 --> 00:11:43,370 COULD YOU STEP ASIDE, PLEASE? 268 00:11:49,176 --> 00:11:50,778 (lowered voice) YOU CLEAR THE BACK. 269 00:11:50,778 --> 00:11:52,312 I'LL WAIT HERE. 270 00:12:05,457 --> 00:12:09,328 (door creaks) 271 00:12:28,748 --> 00:12:30,049 (opens door) 272 00:12:32,351 --> 00:12:34,453 (door creaks) 273 00:12:37,957 --> 00:12:40,994 ABUSE OF POWER-- THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. 274 00:12:48,534 --> 00:12:50,769 (click) 275 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:08,956 (crackling) 276 00:13:11,958 --> 00:13:14,494 (inhales sharply) 277 00:13:18,664 --> 00:13:20,700 STEP ASIDE. 278 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:23,070 (sniffles) 279 00:13:23,070 --> 00:13:25,138 I SAID, STEP ASIDE! 280 00:13:30,476 --> 00:13:32,913 (sniffles and sobs) 281 00:13:35,381 --> 00:13:36,749 (clanking) 282 00:13:36,749 --> 00:13:39,119 LISBON! 283 00:13:42,923 --> 00:13:46,125 (keyboard clicking) 284 00:13:46,125 --> 00:13:48,461 DID YOU I.D. ANY OF THE WOMEN IN THE PHOTOS YET? 285 00:13:48,461 --> 00:13:51,697 SOME, BUT SO FAR WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MATCH ANY 286 00:13:51,697 --> 00:13:54,902 HAIBACH WOULD HAVE BURNED THEM FIRST. HE'S NOT STUPID. 287 00:13:54,902 --> 00:13:57,836 KEEP ON LOOKING. HIS LAWYER'S ON HIS WAY. 288 00:13:57,836 --> 00:13:59,838 (keyboard clicking) 289 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:06,745 HE WON'T TALK WITHOUT HIS LAWYER. 290 00:14:06,745 --> 00:14:10,116 HE'S BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK A FEW TIMES WITH FRESNO P.D. 291 00:14:10,116 --> 00:14:10,918 HMM. 292 00:14:10,918 --> 00:14:12,552 "HMM" WHAT? 293 00:14:12,552 --> 00:14:15,154 HE'S A METICULOUS, MALADJUSTED LONER 294 00:14:15,154 --> 00:14:18,758 WHO'S INTO STALKING YOUNG WOMEN, AND HE HAS NO ALIBI. 295 00:14:18,758 --> 00:14:20,592 YEAH, HE CERTAINLY LOOKS THE PART. 296 00:14:20,592 --> 00:14:24,932 I LIKE HIM FOR THIS. I LIKE HIM A LOT. 297 00:14:25,932 --> 00:14:27,466 (door opens) 298 00:14:27,466 --> 00:14:28,768 (beep) 299 00:14:28,768 --> 00:14:31,504 (door closes) 300 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:32,804 (Panzer) Hello? 301 00:14:32,804 --> 00:14:34,606 HI. IT'S PATRICK JANE. 302 00:14:34,606 --> 00:14:37,043 WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON RICHARD HAIBACH? 303 00:14:37,043 --> 00:14:38,878 OH, HE'S, UH, ONE OF THE SUSPECTS 304 00:14:38,878 --> 00:14:41,081 THAT THE FRESNO P.D. IDENTIFIED. 305 00:14:41,081 --> 00:14:43,515 ANTISOCIAL, UNDERACHIEVER-- 306 00:14:43,515 --> 00:14:46,286 HE'S VIABLE, BUT HE DOESN'T HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE I'D BE 307 00:14:46,286 --> 00:14:47,754 looking for in our man. 308 00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:51,357 THANKS. I DON'T DISAGREE. 309 00:14:51,357 --> 00:14:54,394 IT'S SAID THAT THE TRUEST MOTIVE FOR A SERIAL KILLER 310 00:14:54,394 --> 00:14:56,395 OFTEN LIES WITH THE FIRST VICTIM. 311 00:14:56,395 --> 00:14:58,465 MOLLY MAIER. 312 00:14:58,465 --> 00:15:00,432 IF YOU COULD INTRODUCE ME TO HER FAMILY. 313 00:15:00,432 --> 00:15:03,102 YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO. GIVE ME AN HOUR OR SO. 314 00:15:03,102 --> 00:15:04,504 GREAT. THANKS. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GO OVER 315 00:15:04,504 --> 00:15:07,173 SOME OF YOUR RESEARCH ON THE CASE? 316 00:15:07,173 --> 00:15:09,775 YOU COULD COME BY MY APARTMENT AFTER WE VISIT THE MAIERS. 317 00:15:09,775 --> 00:15:11,378 Thanks. 318 00:15:11,378 --> 00:15:14,813 OKAY. 319 00:15:14,813 --> 00:15:16,950 (snaps shut) 320 00:15:28,628 --> 00:15:31,530 MOLLY HAD JUST TURNED 16 WHEN SHE WAS KILLED. 321 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:33,533 SHE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE HER DRIVER'S LICENSE. 322 00:15:33,533 --> 00:15:36,269 SHE WAS WALKING HOME FROM HER GIRLFRIEND'S HOUSE, 323 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:39,371 NEVER MADE IT HOME. 324 00:15:39,371 --> 00:15:43,676 WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE INVESTIGATION. 325 00:15:43,676 --> 00:15:46,379 JIM'S BEEN GOOD ENOUGH TO KEEP US UP-TO-DATE WITH THE OTHERS. 326 00:15:46,379 --> 00:15:49,015 (voice breaking) ALL THOSE GIRLS. 327 00:15:49,015 --> 00:15:50,417 I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT NOBODY'S BEEN ABLE 328 00:15:50,417 --> 00:15:51,951 TO CATCH UP WITH THIS MONSTER. 329 00:15:51,951 --> 00:15:54,386 WE WILL, SOON. 330 00:15:55,855 --> 00:15:57,557 I DON'T KNOW. 331 00:15:59,292 --> 00:16:03,096 I DON'T KNOW. 332 00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:05,264 MOLLY WOULDN'T WANT THAT, NOW, WOULD SHE? 333 00:16:06,865 --> 00:16:09,336 NO, SHE WOULDN'T. 334 00:16:11,403 --> 00:16:16,708 THIS KILLER WILL BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. YOU HAVE MY WORD. 335 00:16:16,708 --> 00:16:19,312 YOU THINK I COULD TAKE A LOOK AT MOLLY'S BEDROOM? 336 00:16:19,312 --> 00:16:21,280 NO. I DON'T WANT... 337 00:16:24,783 --> 00:16:26,686 OF COURSE. 338 00:16:26,686 --> 00:16:30,623 TOM, WILL YOU SHOW HIM UPSTAIRS? 339 00:16:32,859 --> 00:16:35,062 THANK YOU. 340 00:16:35,062 --> 00:16:37,197 (whispers) IT'S OKAY. 341 00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:47,206 SORRY ABOUT THE MESS. 342 00:16:47,206 --> 00:16:49,609 WE REALLY SHOULD GET AROUND TO CLEANING IT UP. 343 00:16:49,609 --> 00:16:53,580 TRUTH IS, NEITHER OF US HAS THE HEART FOR IT. 344 00:17:04,223 --> 00:17:07,727 "CRAP RECITAL PRACTICE." 345 00:17:14,834 --> 00:17:17,104 D-DO YOU MIND, UH... 346 00:17:17,104 --> 00:17:19,038 OH, UH, SURE. 347 00:17:19,038 --> 00:17:20,906 THANK YOU. 348 00:17:20,906 --> 00:17:23,109 SHE LOVED TO DANCE. 349 00:17:23,109 --> 00:17:27,446 THAT WAS, UH... HER THING. 350 00:17:27,446 --> 00:17:29,749 (click) 351 00:17:35,087 --> 00:17:38,090 WORKED REALLY HARD AT IT. 352 00:17:38,090 --> 00:17:41,394 (Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World" playing) 353 00:17:44,364 --> 00:17:48,268 * I SEE TREES OF GREEN 354 00:17:48,268 --> 00:17:51,971 * RED ROSES, TOO 355 00:17:51,971 --> 00:17:54,707 * I SEE THEM BLOOM 356 00:17:54,707 --> 00:17:57,509 * FOR ME AND YOU 357 00:17:57,509 --> 00:18:02,281 * AND I THINK TO MYSELF 358 00:18:02,281 --> 00:18:04,717 * WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD 359 00:18:04,717 --> 00:18:07,086 ONCE SHE DECIDED SHE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING, 360 00:18:07,086 --> 00:18:09,422 THERE WAS NO STOPPING HER. 361 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:13,460 SINGLE-MINDED, DETERMINED. 362 00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:16,395 JUST LIKE HER MOTHER. 363 00:18:16,395 --> 00:18:18,565 * AND CLOUDS OF WHITE 364 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:20,366 * THE BRIGHT BLESSED DAY 365 00:18:20,366 --> 00:18:23,903 MUST HAVE HEARD THIS SONG A HUNDRED TIMES. 366 00:18:23,903 --> 00:18:29,241 * AND I THINK TO MYSELF 367 00:18:29,241 --> 00:18:32,811 * WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD 368 00:18:37,616 --> 00:18:41,052 * THE COLORS OF THE RAINBOW 369 00:18:41,052 --> 00:18:44,191 * SO PRETTY IN THE SKY 370 00:18:44,191 --> 00:18:47,926 * ARE ALSO ON THE FACES 371 00:18:47,926 --> 00:18:50,797 * OF PEOPLE GOING BY 372 00:18:53,432 --> 00:18:57,103 WE FOUND DOZENS OF PICTURES OF YOUNG WOMEN 373 00:18:57,103 --> 00:18:58,871 THAT'S YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR HOLDING HIM FOR MURDER? 374 00:18:58,871 --> 00:19:01,140 THAT HE TOOK PICTURES? HE'S A PHOTOGRAPHER. 375 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:05,076 SEXUALLY SUGGESTIVE PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN WITHOUT CONSENT. 376 00:19:05,076 --> 00:19:07,579 TAKEN IN PUBLIC WITHOUT ANY COMPLAINTS. 377 00:19:07,579 --> 00:19:10,016 THAT'S NOT EVEN A MISDEMEANOR. THAT'S A HOBBY. 378 00:19:10,016 --> 00:19:13,553 HE LIED ABOUT HIS WHEREABOUTS THE NIGHT OF THE MURDER. 379 00:19:13,553 --> 00:19:18,424 SHH. (clears throat) NOT EXACTLY A CAPITAL OFFENSE. 380 00:19:18,424 --> 00:19:20,893 MEANWHILE, MY CLIENT HAS HAD TO ENDURE 381 00:19:20,893 --> 00:19:23,962 CONTINUED POLICE HARASSMENT FOR A CRIME HE DIDN'T COMMIT. 382 00:19:23,962 --> 00:19:25,464 I DID NOT KILL THOSE GIRLS! 383 00:19:25,464 --> 00:19:27,165 RICHARD, DO NOT SAY ANOTHER WORD. 384 00:19:27,165 --> 00:19:30,803 AGENT LISBON, EITHER RELEASE HIM NOW, 385 00:19:30,803 --> 00:19:34,641 OR I'M BRINGING A HARASSMENT LAWSUIT AGAINST YOU AND THE CBI 386 00:19:34,641 --> 00:19:37,277 FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING. 387 00:19:37,277 --> 00:19:39,412 (sighs) 388 00:19:39,412 --> 00:19:42,949 MR. HAIBACH, YOU'RE FREE TO GO. 389 00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:44,182 (thumps table) 390 00:19:44,182 --> 00:19:45,317 THANK YOU. 391 00:19:47,118 --> 00:19:49,422 (sighs) 392 00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:53,526 (sighs) 393 00:19:55,461 --> 00:19:58,664 (footsteps recede) 394 00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:03,869 MY APARTMENT'S UPSTAIRS. PARDON THE MESS. 395 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,472 (door opens) 396 00:20:06,472 --> 00:20:08,340 (door creaks) 397 00:20:10,242 --> 00:20:11,844 WOW. 398 00:20:12,979 --> 00:20:14,780 (door closes) 399 00:20:14,780 --> 00:20:17,750 NEWSPAPER ARTICLES, BACKGROUND ON THE VICTIMS, 400 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:21,186 INTERVIEWS WITH THE VICTIMS' FAMILIES--ENJOY. 401 00:20:21,186 --> 00:20:23,221 HARD TO KNOW WHERE TO START. 402 00:20:23,221 --> 00:20:24,891 UH, WATER? SODA? COFFEE? 403 00:20:24,891 --> 00:20:27,226 WATER WOULD BE GREAT. CAN I JUST DIG IN? 404 00:20:27,226 --> 00:20:28,227 OH, BE MY GUEST. 405 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:30,762 THANK YOU. 406 00:20:30,762 --> 00:20:33,732 (exhales deeply) 407 00:20:35,667 --> 00:20:39,806 (mutters, under breath) CRIME SCENE... 408 00:20:57,022 --> 00:21:00,359 (Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World" playing) 409 00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:06,465 * I SEE TREES OF GREEN 410 00:21:06,465 --> 00:21:10,569 HOPE YOU DON'T MIND. MUSIC HELPS ME THINK. 411 00:21:10,569 --> 00:21:14,272 OH, NOT AT ALL. I'LL PUT THE WATER OVER HERE. 412 00:21:14,272 --> 00:21:16,375 * FOR ME AND YOU (glass clatters) 413 00:21:16,375 --> 00:21:20,011 * AND I THINK TO MYSELF 414 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:26,519 * WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD 415 00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:31,490 THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT, THE MORE I'M STARTING TO BELIEVE 416 00:21:31,490 --> 00:21:33,792 THAT YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER 417 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:35,193 MAY BE WRONG. 418 00:21:35,193 --> 00:21:36,828 HOW SO? 419 00:21:36,828 --> 00:21:38,498 WELL, YOU SAID HE'S A PURIST, 420 00:21:38,498 --> 00:21:41,267 A MAN WHO KILLS SIMPLY FOR THE PLEASURE OF IT. 421 00:21:41,267 --> 00:21:45,971 I'M STARTING TO THINK HE'S A DEEPLY DAMAGED MAN 422 00:21:45,971 --> 00:21:48,307 WHO KILLS OUT OF A NEED FOR ATTENTION. 423 00:21:48,307 --> 00:21:51,076 * WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD 424 00:21:51,076 --> 00:21:54,145 NEGLECTED AS A CHILD, I'D GUESS. 425 00:21:54,145 --> 00:21:56,915 WHAT DO YOU THINK, JIM? 426 00:21:56,915 --> 00:21:59,618 WELL, I THINK YOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG. 427 00:21:59,618 --> 00:22:01,387 * SO PRETTY IN THE SKY 428 00:22:01,387 --> 00:22:03,789 LOOK, I KNOW THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER 429 00:22:03,789 --> 00:22:05,892 BETTER THAN ANYONE, AS YOU YOURSELF HAVE SAID. 430 00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:10,328 I'VE SPENT OVER A YEAR INHABITING HIS MIND. 431 00:22:10,328 --> 00:22:12,198 THIS MAN IS BRILLIANT. 432 00:22:12,198 --> 00:22:15,501 HE'S A GENIUS WHO'S RUN CIRCLES AROUND THE POLICE. 433 00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:18,269 HE'S KILLED AT WILL WITHOUT REPERCUSSION. 434 00:22:18,269 --> 00:22:21,272 * THEY'RE REALLY SAYING * 435 00:22:21,272 --> 00:22:25,511 THIS IS A MAN TO BE FEARED, NOT PITIED. 436 00:22:25,511 --> 00:22:27,113 (cell phone rings) 437 00:22:27,113 --> 00:22:29,147 EXCUSE ME. 438 00:22:29,147 --> 00:22:31,017 (ring) 439 00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:32,018 (beep) 440 00:22:32,018 --> 00:22:33,486 HELLO? 441 00:22:33,486 --> 00:22:35,721 (Lisbon) Jane? S.F.P.D. found another body. 442 00:22:35,721 --> 00:22:38,424 Looks like the San Joaquin Killer. 443 00:22:38,424 --> 00:22:39,959 * AND I THINK TO MYSELF 444 00:22:39,959 --> 00:22:41,827 OKAY. 445 00:22:41,827 --> 00:22:44,497 * WHAT A WONDERFUL WORLD 446 00:22:44,497 --> 00:22:47,700 IT'S HIM, ISN'T IT? 447 00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:50,403 HE'S KILLED AGAIN. 448 00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:57,844 NAME'S JILL REISERT, 18. IT'S THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER. 449 00:22:57,844 --> 00:22:59,811 HANDS, FEET BOUND WITH THE SAME WIRE, 450 00:22:59,811 --> 00:23:01,113 TIRED IN THE SAME KNOT. 451 00:23:01,113 --> 00:23:03,915 KILLED ELSEWHERE, DUMPED RANDOMLY. 452 00:23:03,915 --> 00:23:04,983 PEBBLES ON THE EYES? 453 00:23:04,983 --> 00:23:07,686 NO. NO EYES. 454 00:23:13,425 --> 00:23:16,863 (exhales deeply) 455 00:23:16,863 --> 00:23:19,999 ONLY DAYS AFTER THE LAST MURDER. 456 00:23:19,999 --> 00:23:22,734 HE HAS A TASTE FOR ATTENTION NOW. 457 00:23:22,734 --> 00:23:25,336 BIGGER CITY, BIGGER STAGE, BIGGER VIOLENCE. 458 00:23:25,336 --> 00:23:27,440 HE'S GETTING MORE AND MORE EXCITED BY IT ALL. 459 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,977 WHAT TIME WAS SHE KILLED? 460 00:23:30,977 --> 00:23:33,680 HAIBACH WAS FREE BY THEN. HE COULD HAVE DONE IT. 461 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,583 NO. I KNOW WHO DID THIS-- 462 00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:37,950 JAMES PANZER. 463 00:23:37,950 --> 00:23:41,153 PANZER? THE REPORTER COVERING THE CASE? 464 00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:44,423 THE FRESNO P.D. WOULD HAVE CHECKED HIM OUT. 465 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:46,893 HE HAD AN ALIBI FOR TWO OF THE MURDERS, BOTH FAKED SOMEHOW. 466 00:23:46,893 --> 00:23:48,694 LOOK INTO THEM IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME, OR DON'T. 467 00:23:48,694 --> 00:23:51,463 I DON'T CARE. I KNOW IT WAS HIM. 468 00:23:51,463 --> 00:23:53,500 EVIDENCE. 469 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:55,567 WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING LINKING HIM TO THE CRIME. 470 00:23:55,567 --> 00:23:57,869 FBI's PUSHING TO TAKE OVER THIS CASE. 471 00:23:57,869 --> 00:24:00,071 I'M DOING EVERYTHING I CAN TO HOLD THEM OFF, BUT HONESTLY, 472 00:24:00,071 --> 00:24:02,775 I DON'T HAVE THE PULL. WE NEED AN ARREST. 473 00:24:02,775 --> 00:24:04,276 I'LL GET HIM. I JUST NEED TIME. 474 00:24:04,276 --> 00:24:06,645 TIME WE DON'T HAVE. I SAID I'LL GET HIM. 475 00:24:06,645 --> 00:24:09,015 OKAY. HOW LONG DO YOU NEED? 476 00:24:09,015 --> 00:24:11,584 I'LL HAVE HIM IN CUSTODY BY THE MORNING. 477 00:24:13,819 --> 00:24:17,056 GIVE YOU TILL THE MORNING. GOOD LUCK. 478 00:24:18,525 --> 00:24:22,193 PANZER KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS CASE. 479 00:24:22,193 --> 00:24:25,030 WE'VE GOT NO FORENSIC EVIDENCE AND NO EYEWITNESSES. 480 00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:26,665 HOW DO YOU PROPOSE WE CATCH HIM? 481 00:24:26,665 --> 00:24:30,502 WE TAKE AWAY WHAT HE WANTS MOST. 482 00:24:40,011 --> 00:24:42,981 MR. JANE. 483 00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:45,751 ANY NEWS? 484 00:24:45,751 --> 00:24:47,554 UH, N-NOT NOW, KAREN. 485 00:24:47,554 --> 00:24:49,989 PLEASE, GIVE US A MORSEL, ANYTHING. 486 00:24:57,363 --> 00:25:01,166 (sighs) OKAY. WE HAVE A SUSPECT. 487 00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:04,036 WE'LL ANNOUNCE IT TO THE PRESS FIRST THING TOMORROW MORNING. 488 00:25:04,036 --> 00:25:04,836 WHO IS IT? 489 00:25:04,836 --> 00:25:07,740 YOU'LL FIND OUT TOMORROW. 490 00:25:07,740 --> 00:25:10,009 JUST TELL ME IF IT'S ONE OF THE PREVIOUS SUSPECTS. 491 00:25:10,009 --> 00:25:11,277 (scoffs) 492 00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:13,244 IT IS, ISN'T IT? 493 00:25:15,381 --> 00:25:18,416 YOU DIDN'T HEAR IT FROM ME. 494 00:25:18,416 --> 00:25:21,688 NO, I MEAN IT, KAREN. YOU CAN'T GO PUBLIC WITH THIS TODAY. 495 00:25:21,688 --> 00:25:24,390 SO YOU'RE NOT CAUGHT OFF GUARD TOMORROW MORNING. 496 00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:29,394 THANK YOU. WAIT. PATRICK. 497 00:25:29,394 --> 00:25:30,930 IF YOU WANT TO COME ON MY SHOW TOMORROW NIGHT. 498 00:25:30,930 --> 00:25:33,665 UH, YEAH, THANK YOU, BUT NO, THANKS. 499 00:25:33,665 --> 00:25:35,267 JUST THINK ABOUT IT. THAT'S ALL I ASK. 500 00:25:35,267 --> 00:25:36,603 SURE. 501 00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:40,105 DAN. DAN. 502 00:25:40,105 --> 00:25:42,909 CALL THE OFFICE AND CLEAR THE 7:00 OPEN. 503 00:25:42,909 --> 00:25:44,876 I'VE GOT A BREAKING STORY. 504 00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:47,046 ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S GOING ON? 505 00:25:47,046 --> 00:25:49,381 PANZER COMMITTED THESE MURDERS OUT OF HUBRIS. 506 00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:52,018 HE WANTS TO CREATE A MYTHOLOGY AROUND THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER. 507 00:25:52,018 --> 00:25:55,320 THAT'S WHY HE STARTED THE WEB SITE. 508 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,089 HE WANTS PEOPLE TO BE IN AWE OF HIM. 509 00:25:58,089 --> 00:25:59,826 SO WE ARREST SOMEONE ELSE FOR THE MURDERS, 510 00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:01,292 SOMEONE PATHETIC AND UNWORTHY, 511 00:26:01,292 --> 00:26:04,430 THUS DESTROYING HIS MYTHOLOGY WITH ONE FATAL BLOW. 512 00:26:04,430 --> 00:26:07,499 PANZER WILL GO OUT AND KILL AGAIN JUST TO PROVE US WRONG, 513 00:26:07,499 --> 00:26:09,500 AND WE WILL BE THERE WAITING FOR HIM. 514 00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,238 ARREST SOMEBODY ELSE? 515 00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:13,673 OHH. 516 00:26:14,773 --> 00:26:16,208 ARE YOU SURE, BOSS? 517 00:26:16,208 --> 00:26:18,443 I GOT THIS. 518 00:26:18,443 --> 00:26:20,112 OH, COME ON. 519 00:26:20,112 --> 00:26:21,780 YOU PEOPLE JUST DON'T QUIT, DO YOU? OH! 520 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:24,450 YOU'RE UNDER ARREST. 521 00:26:24,450 --> 00:26:25,718 (handcuffs clicking) WE'LL THINK OF SOMETHING. 522 00:26:25,718 --> 00:26:27,385 (Haibach groans) 523 00:26:27,385 --> 00:26:29,587 (doorbell chimes) 524 00:26:29,587 --> 00:26:32,557 MR. PANZER, IT'S PATRICK. I HAVE SOME INFORMATION. 525 00:26:32,557 --> 00:26:35,361 (buzzer) 526 00:26:37,395 --> 00:26:39,530 WE GOT HIM. 527 00:26:39,530 --> 00:26:42,034 SAN JOAQUIN KILLER. MADE AN ARREST. 528 00:26:42,034 --> 00:26:43,769 YEAH, I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT IT ON THE NEWS, 529 00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:45,270 BUT I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT. WHO IS IT? 530 00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,673 RICHARD HAIBACH. 531 00:26:46,673 --> 00:26:48,007 WELL, I THOUGHT HE HAD AN ALIBI. 532 00:26:48,007 --> 00:26:50,342 FAKED. LIED ABOUT THE WHOLE THING, 533 00:26:50,342 --> 00:26:52,979 WHICH IS NOT TOO DIFFICULT TO PULL OFF 534 00:26:52,979 --> 00:26:54,780 AND YOU'RE CERTAIN THAT IT'S HIM? 535 00:26:54,780 --> 00:26:56,749 WE FOUND PICTURES OF YOUNG WOMEN IN HIS HOME. 536 00:26:56,749 --> 00:26:58,817 TWO OF THE VICTIMS WERE AMONGST THEM. 537 00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:00,352 WELL, THAT DOESN'T PROVE HE'S THE KILLER. 538 00:27:00,352 --> 00:27:03,756 WE FOUND SOMETHING ELSE. I CAN'T COMMENT ON SPECIFICS, 539 00:27:03,756 --> 00:27:06,491 BUT THE A.G.'s OFFICE IS CONFIDENT THAT IT, 540 00:27:06,491 --> 00:27:09,161 ALONG WITH HAIBACH'S PROXIMITY TO THE KARP MURDER 541 00:27:09,161 --> 00:27:12,530 AND THE PHOTOS WILL BE ENOUGH FOR A CONVICTION. 542 00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:15,300 WE'LL ANNOUNCE IT TO THE PRESS TOMORROW MORNING. 543 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:16,969 I WANTED YOU TO KNOW FIRST, 544 00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:19,739 GIVEN YOUR... PERSONAL ATTACHMENT TO THE CASE. 545 00:27:21,539 --> 00:27:22,709 AND I JUST WANTED TO STOP BY 546 00:27:22,709 --> 00:27:24,442 AND SAY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP, JIM. 547 00:27:24,442 --> 00:27:26,746 OH, YES, OF COURSE. 548 00:27:26,746 --> 00:27:29,248 LOOK, CAN I GET YOU A DRINK OR SOMETHING? 549 00:27:29,248 --> 00:27:32,719 NO, THANKS. DO YOU MIND IF I USE YOUR RESTROOM? 550 00:27:32,719 --> 00:27:34,486 OH, SURE, SURE. RIGHT--RIGHT OVER THERE. 551 00:27:34,486 --> 00:27:37,288 END OF THE HALL HERE? YES. 552 00:27:45,564 --> 00:27:49,801 (toilet flushes) 553 00:27:49,801 --> 00:27:52,438 (cabinet door creaks) 554 00:28:11,457 --> 00:28:13,358 (switch clicks) 555 00:28:16,028 --> 00:28:21,032 YOU SURE YOU DON'T WANT A DRINK OR A SNACK? 556 00:28:21,032 --> 00:28:24,702 OH, NO. I HAVE TO GET GOING. 557 00:28:24,702 --> 00:28:26,806 (sighs) 558 00:28:26,806 --> 00:28:30,709 YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, ISN'T IT? 559 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:33,612 WE WERE BOTH WRONG ABOUT THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER. 560 00:28:33,612 --> 00:28:37,849 HE WASN'T A PURIST, NOR WAS HE A MAN DESPERATE FOR ATTENTION. 561 00:28:37,849 --> 00:28:39,550 HE WAS JUST A SICK, SEXUALLY DERANGED MAN 562 00:28:39,550 --> 00:28:42,387 THAT LIKES TO TAKE PICTURES OF LITTLE GIRLS. 563 00:28:42,387 --> 00:28:46,125 SIMPLE-MINDED PERVERT. GOOD NIGHT. 564 00:28:47,926 --> 00:28:50,429 (door closes) 565 00:29:10,382 --> 00:29:13,419 (whispers) COME ON. 566 00:29:13,419 --> 00:29:14,820 (door opens) 567 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:17,288 (door closes) 568 00:29:18,624 --> 00:29:20,992 THERE HE IS. 569 00:29:27,398 --> 00:29:28,334 (alarm chirps) 570 00:29:34,573 --> 00:29:37,175 (engine starts) 571 00:29:38,443 --> 00:29:40,145 WAIT. 572 00:29:46,051 --> 00:29:49,788 (alert chiming, seat belts click) 573 00:30:08,007 --> 00:30:12,010 (Lisbon) HE'S HEADED IN. I'LL CALL S.F.P.D. FOR BACKUP. 574 00:30:17,884 --> 00:30:19,018 (quietly) JANE! 575 00:30:52,183 --> 00:30:56,122 (whispering) UM... LISBON? 576 00:31:21,346 --> 00:31:24,615 COULDN'T STAY AWAY, COULD YOU? 577 00:31:24,615 --> 00:31:28,319 PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR. STEP BACK FROM THE TABLE. 578 00:31:28,319 --> 00:31:31,222 I SAID PUT YOUR HANDS IN THE AIR NOW! 579 00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:33,259 LOOK, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. I J-- 580 00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:39,097 WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? 581 00:31:39,097 --> 00:31:40,832 TURN THE CAMERA OFF. 582 00:31:40,832 --> 00:31:43,301 KAREN CALLED ME ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. 583 00:31:43,301 --> 00:31:45,570 SHE GAVE ME THIS ADDRESS. SHE ASKED ME TO MEET HER HERE. 584 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:48,941 I HAVE NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE IN MY LIFE. 585 00:31:50,741 --> 00:31:53,078 I SAID TURN THE CAMERA OFF. 586 00:31:56,647 --> 00:31:58,250 YOU CALLED HIM? 587 00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,652 HE'S THE EXPERT. I WANTED HIM TO AUTHENTICATE 588 00:32:00,652 --> 00:32:02,188 THAT THIS WAS, IN FACT, THE KILL ROOM 589 00:32:02,188 --> 00:32:03,855 USED BY THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER. 590 00:32:03,855 --> 00:32:05,391 HOW DID YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS PLACE? 591 00:32:05,391 --> 00:32:08,961 SHE WAS CONTACTED BY HIM, BY THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER. 592 00:32:08,961 --> 00:32:11,630 YES. JUST AFTER MY 7:00 BROADCAST, 593 00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:14,200 DURING WHICH I ANNOUNCED THE CBI HAD SOMEONE IN CUSTODY. 594 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,268 SOMEONE TEXTED ME FROM A BLOCKED NUMBER, 595 00:32:16,268 --> 00:32:18,869 SAID HE WAS THE S.J.K. AND THEN GAVE ME THIS ADDRESS. 596 00:32:18,869 --> 00:32:20,471 ALL RIGHT. OUT. 597 00:32:20,471 --> 00:32:24,009 THIS IS OFFICIALLY A CBI CRIME SCENE. LET'S GO! 598 00:32:30,148 --> 00:32:32,117 (breathes deeply) 599 00:32:51,037 --> 00:32:53,872 I TRIED TO TELL YOU YOU HAD THE WRONG MAN. 600 00:32:53,872 --> 00:32:55,906 YOU SET THIS UP. 601 00:32:55,906 --> 00:32:57,808 YOU KNEW WE WERE FOLLOWING YOU. 602 00:32:57,808 --> 00:32:59,577 I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, 603 00:32:59,577 --> 00:33:02,147 BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT, I'M VERY HURT BY ALL THIS. 604 00:33:02,147 --> 00:33:04,415 I MEAN, HERE I THOUGHT YOU WERE SEEKING MY HELP, 605 00:33:04,415 --> 00:33:06,184 THAT WE WERE KINDRED SPIRITS. 606 00:33:06,184 --> 00:33:08,920 WHERE ALL ALONG YOU WERE JUST LYING TO ME. 607 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,321 YOU WERE USING ME. 608 00:33:10,321 --> 00:33:13,592 THAT KIND OF DUPLICITY-- 609 00:33:13,592 --> 00:33:17,063 LEADING A DOUBLE LIFE-- I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT. 610 00:33:32,611 --> 00:33:35,681 YOU KNOW, OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH RIGHT HERE, UM-- MM-HMM. 611 00:33:35,681 --> 00:33:37,482 AGENT LISBON, JANE, 612 00:33:37,482 --> 00:33:40,219 I'D LIKE YOU TO MEET FBI SPECIAL AGENT SUSAN DARCY. 613 00:33:42,354 --> 00:33:44,690 SHE AND HER TEAM WILL BE TAKING OVER THE INVESTIGATION. 614 00:33:44,690 --> 00:33:46,958 SIR-- NO, IT'S OKAY. IT'S FINE. 615 00:33:46,958 --> 00:33:50,296 THE MAN YOU WANT IS JAMES PANZER. 616 00:33:50,296 --> 00:33:53,365 WHAT SORT OF EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE ON PANZER? 617 00:33:53,365 --> 00:33:55,500 WELL, NOTHING-- NOTHING CONCRETE. 618 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,470 NOT, UH, YOUR KIND OF EVIDENCE, ANYHOW. 619 00:33:58,470 --> 00:34:00,739 HOW ABOUT YOUR KIND OF EVIDENCE? 620 00:34:02,407 --> 00:34:04,809 HIS MEDICINE CABINET IS TOO NEAT. 621 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,315 THAT'S AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE. 622 00:34:10,315 --> 00:34:11,717 I'LL ABSORB THE CASE FILES 623 00:34:11,717 --> 00:34:13,784 AND IF PANZER LOOKS LIKE A GOOD UNSUB FOR US, 624 00:34:13,784 --> 00:34:16,688 YOU CAN BE REST ASSURED THAT MY TEAM AND I WILL BE ON HIM. 625 00:34:16,688 --> 00:34:20,759 NO, YOU WON'T. 626 00:34:20,759 --> 00:34:23,795 WHILE SHE'S ABSORBING THE CASE FILES, 627 00:34:23,795 --> 00:34:25,197 YOU'RE NOT BEING CONSTRUCTIVE RIGHT NOW. 628 00:34:25,197 --> 00:34:26,197 I'M JUST BEING HONEST. 629 00:34:26,197 --> 00:34:27,965 IT'S OKAY. 630 00:34:27,965 --> 00:34:29,434 I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE UPSET. 631 00:34:29,434 --> 00:34:30,936 YOU HAVE EVERY REASON TO BE UPSET. 632 00:34:30,936 --> 00:34:34,273 I WOULD BE, TOO, IF SOMEONE WAS TAKING OVER MY CASE. 633 00:34:34,273 --> 00:34:36,875 IF HE DOES KILL AGAIN, IT WILL BE MY RESPONSIBILITY, 634 00:34:36,875 --> 00:34:40,146 AND I WILL ANSWER FOR IT. 635 00:34:40,146 --> 00:34:44,815 THIS INVESTIGATION IS NOW UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE FBI. 636 00:34:51,757 --> 00:34:54,492 I'M GONNA NEED THOSE CASE FILES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE. 637 00:34:54,492 --> 00:34:56,394 YEAH. 638 00:34:58,764 --> 00:34:59,697 JANE. 639 00:35:00,798 --> 00:35:02,300 JANE, YOU HEARD WAINRIGHT. 640 00:35:02,300 --> 00:35:04,635 OUR HANDS ARE TIED. 641 00:35:04,635 --> 00:35:06,103 YEAH. 642 00:35:09,141 --> 00:35:10,842 YEAH. MAYBE YOURS ARE. 643 00:35:16,148 --> 00:35:20,286 (theme music plays) 644 00:35:20,286 --> 00:35:23,588 WELL, KAREN, NO DISRESPECT TO THE CBI OR THE FBI, 645 00:35:23,588 --> 00:35:27,492 BUT IT'S NOT A GOOD SIGN WHEN A CASE AS COMPLEX 646 00:35:27,492 --> 00:35:30,161 IS SHUTTLED FROM AGENCY TO AGENCY. 647 00:35:30,161 --> 00:35:33,599 THERE'S--THERE'S A LACK OF COMMUNICATION AND CONSISTENCY, 648 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,702 THERE'S A POINTLESS REPLICATION OF EFFORT. 649 00:35:36,702 --> 00:35:38,469 I MEAN, YOU SEE THE SAME PROBLEMS 650 00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:41,072 IN THE SEARCH FOR THE ZODIAC KILLER. 651 00:35:41,072 --> 00:35:43,809 WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK AFTER A QUICK BREAK. 652 00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:47,579 WITH OUR GUEST, JAMES PANZER, AND A SURPRISE SPECIAL GUEST, 653 00:35:47,579 --> 00:35:50,548 CBI CONSULTANT PATRICK JANE. 654 00:35:50,548 --> 00:35:52,083 (man) AND... CLEAR. (theme music plays) 655 00:35:52,083 --> 00:35:53,851 I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND. 656 00:35:53,851 --> 00:35:56,054 BUT-- 657 00:35:56,054 --> 00:35:59,391 THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING, REALLY. 658 00:36:00,791 --> 00:36:02,893 HI. 659 00:36:02,893 --> 00:36:04,762 WE'RE GETTING MR. JANE MIC-ED, YEAH? 660 00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:09,934 (man) IN FIVE, 661 00:36:09,934 --> 00:36:14,005 FOUR, THREE, TWO... 662 00:36:14,005 --> 00:36:18,043 JOINING US NOW ON THIS S.J.K. SPECIAL EDITION 663 00:36:18,043 --> 00:36:20,110 IS PATRICK JANE, A CONSULTANT WITH THE CBI, 664 00:36:20,110 --> 00:36:23,681 WHO HAS HIS OWN AMAZING STORY OF TERRIBLE TRAGEDY 665 00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:26,351 AND COLD REVENGE. PATRICK, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. 666 00:36:26,351 --> 00:36:28,085 OH, IT'S MY PLEASURE, KAREN. JAMES. 667 00:36:28,085 --> 00:36:30,621 IN A NUTSHELL, WHY HAS THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER 668 00:36:30,621 --> 00:36:32,657 PROVEN SO DIFFICULT TO APPREHEND? 669 00:36:32,657 --> 00:36:34,393 WELL, JAMES IS EXACTLY RIGHT. 670 00:36:34,393 --> 00:36:36,262 THERE ARE TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN. 671 00:36:36,262 --> 00:36:37,996 BUT I-I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD 672 00:36:37,996 --> 00:36:40,231 THAT THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER IS VERY LIKELY SOMEONE 673 00:36:40,231 --> 00:36:43,235 THAT HAS ATTACHED THEMSELVES TO THE INVESTIGATION SOMEHOW-- 674 00:36:43,235 --> 00:36:46,405 SOMEONE, UH, HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT. 675 00:36:46,405 --> 00:36:48,373 THAT'S INTERESTING. IS THERE ANYONE 676 00:36:48,373 --> 00:36:50,842 IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF? 677 00:36:50,842 --> 00:36:52,811 WELL, THAT SOUNDS PROMISING. 678 00:36:52,811 --> 00:36:55,347 CAN WE EXPECT AN ARREST ANYTIME SOON? 679 00:36:55,347 --> 00:36:58,684 VERY LIKELY. UH, KAREN IF I MAY ASK JANE A QUESTION, I WOULD-- 680 00:36:58,684 --> 00:37:00,619 ACTUALLY, UH, COULD YOU HOLD THAT THOUGHT, JAMES? 681 00:37:00,619 --> 00:37:04,222 WELL, I-- CAN--CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT, PATRICK? 682 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,525 THAT THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER WILL BE CAUGHT SOON? 683 00:37:06,525 --> 00:37:09,427 WELL, HE'S BECOME WRAPPED UP IN HIS OWN MYTHOLOGY. 684 00:37:09,427 --> 00:37:12,664 UH, HE'S DRANK HIS OWN KOOL-AID, SO TO SPEAK. 685 00:37:12,664 --> 00:37:15,967 WELL, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO SUGGEST THAT. 686 00:37:15,967 --> 00:37:18,168 YOU'RE RIGHT, JAMES, I HAVE NO EVIDENCE, 687 00:37:18,168 --> 00:37:19,938 UH, JUST A GOOD SENSE OF THE MAN. 688 00:37:19,938 --> 00:37:22,940 THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER IS A SAD LITTLE PERSON 689 00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:25,777 LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD OF POWER AND PRESTIGE. 690 00:37:25,777 --> 00:37:29,648 IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE HE MAKES A MISTAKE. 691 00:37:29,648 --> 00:37:31,349 JIM? 692 00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:34,320 WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I BELIEVE WHAT MR. JANE IS SAYING, 693 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,954 BUT I CAN'T DISAGREE MORE. 694 00:37:35,954 --> 00:37:41,259 I MEAN, THIS MAN IS SMART, HE IS RATIONAL, 695 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:44,862 HMM. I-I RESPECT YOUR SKILLS AS A JOURNALIST 696 00:37:44,862 --> 00:37:47,798 AND AS A BLOGGER, JAMES, BUT I DO THIS FOR A LIVING, 697 00:37:47,798 --> 00:37:50,802 AND I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW OR UNDERSTAND THIS MAN AT ALL. 698 00:37:50,802 --> 00:37:53,539 WELL, THAT'S ABSURD! I MEAN, THAT'S JUST... 699 00:37:53,539 --> 00:37:59,545 THAT'S... YOUR OPINION, AND I RESPECT THAT. 700 00:37:59,545 --> 00:38:01,679 I THINK YOU REALLY SHOULD CONSIDER THE PLAIN FACTS. 701 00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:03,449 JAMES, HOLD THAT THOUGHT. 702 00:38:03,449 --> 00:38:05,150 LET--IF I COULD JUST RESPOND HERE FOR A MOMENT. 703 00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:06,885 AND YOU'LL HAVE THAT CHANCE WHEN WE COME BACK 704 00:38:06,885 --> 00:38:10,456 WITH MORE ON THE SEARCH FOR THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER. 705 00:38:10,456 --> 00:38:12,623 (man) WE'RE CLEAR. 30 SECONDS, EVERYONE. 706 00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:14,460 GREAT STUFF, GUYS. 707 00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:32,510 I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. 708 00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:34,079 YOU THINK I'M STUPID? 709 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,447 YES. 710 00:38:36,447 --> 00:38:38,916 YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RUIN THIS FOR ME. 711 00:38:41,286 --> 00:38:43,655 WHEN WE COME BACK, JIM, YOU'RE UP. 712 00:38:43,655 --> 00:38:45,590 (man) TEN SECONDS. 713 00:38:47,057 --> 00:38:49,860 IN FIVE, FOUR, 714 00:38:49,860 --> 00:38:52,063 THREE, TWO... 715 00:38:52,063 --> 00:38:53,699 JAMES PANZER MAY BE THE MAN 716 00:38:53,699 --> 00:38:55,867 WHO KNOWS THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER BEST. 717 00:38:55,867 --> 00:38:58,769 TELL US, JIM, WILL HE KILL AGAIN? 718 00:38:58,769 --> 00:39:01,039 WELL, KAREN, I HATE TO SAY THIS, 719 00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:03,909 BUT, YES, I-I THINK THIS MAN WILL STRIKE AGAIN, 720 00:39:03,909 --> 00:39:07,978 AND I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE MANY, MANY MORE VICTIMS. 721 00:39:07,978 --> 00:39:09,414 A DARK PREDICTION. 722 00:39:09,414 --> 00:39:11,215 UH, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT? 723 00:39:11,215 --> 00:39:15,621 WELL, HE IS GROWING MORE BOLD AND MORE CONFIDENT EVERY DAY-- 724 00:39:15,621 --> 00:39:19,324 MORE SURE OF HIS ABILITIES AND HIS GREATNESS. 725 00:39:19,324 --> 00:39:22,393 HE'S BEEN ABLE TO EVADE DETECTION SO EASILY, 726 00:39:22,393 --> 00:39:24,829 HE IS TOO GOOD TO BE CAUGHT. 727 00:39:26,532 --> 00:39:28,132 PATRICK, THOUGHTS? 728 00:39:34,304 --> 00:39:36,240 PATRICK? 729 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:39,945 IT'S FUNNY. RED JOHN THOUGHT EXACTLY THE SAME THING. 730 00:39:39,945 --> 00:39:43,514 (scoffs) SOMEHOW I DON'T THINK THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER 731 00:39:43,514 --> 00:39:46,317 WILL BE QUITE AS EASY TO KILL AS RED JOHN. 732 00:39:46,317 --> 00:39:47,818 YOU'RE VERY MUCH MISTAKEN. 733 00:39:47,818 --> 00:39:51,056 RED JOHN WAS AN ACCOMPLISHED KILLER, NO DOUBT, 734 00:39:51,056 --> 00:39:54,092 AND I APPLAUD YOU FOR RIDDING US OF HIM. 735 00:39:54,092 --> 00:39:57,463 BUT THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO THE SAN JOAQUIN KILLER. 736 00:39:57,463 --> 00:40:00,465 RED JOHN WAS A COMMON SOCIOPATH-- 737 00:40:00,465 --> 00:40:03,101 LAZY, SLOPPY, DELUSIONAL. 738 00:40:03,101 --> 00:40:05,070 YOU REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 739 00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:06,170 RED JOHN-- 740 00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:10,007 RED JOHN IS DEAD. 741 00:40:10,007 --> 00:40:13,612 TO BE CAUGHT AND KILLED BY YOU JUST PROVES MY POINT. 742 00:40:15,213 --> 00:40:19,485 COMPARED TO S.J.K., RED JOHN WAS NOTHING-- 743 00:40:19,485 --> 00:40:23,121 AN AMATEUR ALREADY FORGOTTEN. 744 00:40:28,494 --> 00:40:30,528 (knock on door) 745 00:40:32,864 --> 00:40:34,865 YOU, UH... 746 00:40:34,865 --> 00:40:39,403 YOU WERE VERY GOOD OUT THERE. 747 00:40:39,403 --> 00:40:41,739 WELL... THANK YOU. 748 00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:53,719 I WAS GOOD. 749 00:40:56,353 --> 00:40:59,490 (cell phone vibrating) 750 00:41:04,829 --> 00:41:06,063 HELLO? 751 00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:10,201 WHERE? 752 00:41:23,447 --> 00:41:26,451 (indistinct conversations) 753 00:41:26,451 --> 00:41:29,588 (police radio chatter) 754 00:41:35,059 --> 00:41:36,762 WHAT'S HAPPENED? 755 00:41:36,762 --> 00:41:39,697 PANZER. SEE FOR YOURSELF.