Previously on The Real Housewives of New York City:
That was my bald guy she married by the way.
-He married me. -Bullsh--!
He ----ed you one night. That's all you got.
One night?!
Sonja has allowed her group of friends
to classify her as a less than valuable woman.
-I want love for you. -Yeah, I need some love.
So, I called my girlfriend. She is a brilliant matchmaker.
We're going to find you a man.
-All right, ladies. -Hi.
Okay, this is called the Bershan.
I met Bershan through some mutual friends
and she's not afraid to make her opinion known.
Which I like.
I'm tired of this whole
"We're white girls from the Upper East Side.
You're black girls from Harlem." We're Americans.
We live in the United States of America.
It pisses me off, seriously.
Sis, no.
Josephine Baker had the banana skirt
to get the attention of the world
and you know what she did with it?
She spoke at the March on Washington.
The most prolific writer of the Harlem renaissance
was Zora Neale Hurston.
You can be a little intimidating maybe-
I'm not feeling like I'm on payroll to teach white women.
I want you to be able to chill too.
You're too heavy for me right now.
This is too serious of a conversation
when I just want to enjoy my life.
You can't tell me not to talk about how I feel.
This night was a sh-- show.
I'm not going to treat you with kid gloves and white fragility.
You're a strong white woman.
-You're a strong Black bitch. -One that we survived.
I'm not a big scary monster, you crazy lady.
♪
Of all my vices, being glamorous is one I'll never give up.
I'm sex-positive and BS-negative.
I may say the wrong thing but my intentions are always right.
I've had to work twice as hard for half as much
but now I'm coming for everything.
Just like New York City,
Sonja Morgan never goes out of style.
♪
[indistinct chattering]
♪
-Hi. -Hello, how are you?
-How are you? -Haha-hi.
Hey, babe.
Hi, so, I'm doing my rounds.
-Hey. -Hi.
Look how pretty you look.
-I do? -Yeah.
Thank you.
Today I woke up feeling so ----ing depressed.
Like, the election is driving everybody insane.
Yeah, I have such anxiety.
So I think that we need to get
the [bleep] out of here.
So, like, keep our, like, sanity.
So, because of COVID obviously, we can't really go too far
but somewhere I've never been
but always been very fascinated by is Salem Massachusetts.
Like, where the witches come from?
Yes.
Are you going to burn me by a witch- no, you're the witch.
-Only you, Leah. -I know.
I've always wanted to go to Salem.
I can be kind of witchy. I'm very into manifesting.
I'm into all that, and these women,
they can kind of be a bunch of witches.
So, I think we're all, like,
going to, like, the motherland actually.
I want to do a latex- and-leather-themed dinner party
the first night we get there. So, bring it.
I want to see these women in latex and leather.
I pretty much want to do every single thing
that they would never do.
By the way, Bershan is so sweet and funny and hilarious.
Yeah.
And I really want to invite her.
Oh, yes, we should invite her.
Okay. We kind of hit it off right away.
I think Bershan knows how to let loose, have a good time.
She seems a bit wild to me.
My bestie, she's dating a guy she loves.
He has a small penis. Like this.
Oh, that too.
I don't think I've ever seen a penis that small.
Me and her can talk about dicks.
[laughing]
Maybe a ghost will make love to me in my room
because I saw a movie like that once.
You know why witches don't wear underwear?
Oh, why?
So they can get a better grip on the broom.
So bad.
[laughing]
♪
Welcome. Hi, how are you?
Hi. I didn't see that little step.
Thank you.
♪
Hello, darling.
Oh, my gosh, your voice is so deep.
I know it is.
You could be a radio announcer.
-Hi. -Hi beautiful.
Gosh, do I really sound that deep?
No, it's not necessarily deep.
It's just it has a lot of- I don't know what the-
-Residence. -Residence, right.
-Some sparking water, madam? -Sure.
Would you like it in a tall glass like madam?
-Always in a wine glass. -Yes, always in a stem glass.
Mama taught me well. How are you, beautiful?
I can't complain.
I had that little bit of vertigo.
-That's why I left early. -What is vertigo?
Here I'll show you.
You're going to show us your vertigo?
-Watch I sway. -Oh, my God.
I didn't know if it was vertigo or you didn't like the event.
You didn't like the event?
It was just sudden so I was like-
Right, but why would you think I didn't like the event?
Unless you maybe didn't like the event.
-Did you not like the event? -It was educational.
Were you expecting to be educated?
No, I sort of didn't. Right, so, I guess no.
I love learning new things.
-I know, but it was like- -A hard sell.
It was a hard sell.
I thought Eboni's Harlem event was long-winded
but I liked that she was trying to teach the girls.
Because, hey, learn about us, we want to learn about you.
So, after I left you read the room.
What did you think of everyone?
-I really liked everyone. -Oh, good.
'Cause we're going to be five days with each other.
Are you ready?
You know, I have to say I'm good with everybody.
I'm the kind of a person- I don't hold a grudge.
I keep it moving.
Don't look backward. Look forward.
Life's too short.
Okay, so, when we get there, it's easy-peasy.
We're very inclusive.
The only thing is we definitely fight.
We fight like bitches in hell. We do but-
But you do make up because you know what?
We all really care about each other.
I have a lot of so-called "other friends"
but a lot of them are just maybe more superficial,
-but these are the girls- -They're your core.
...that I've known for years. They're my core.
I'm in. Look, look at that look.
-Join it, girl. -Cheers, girl.
You're in, girl. You're in.
♪
Thank you, guys. Thank you.
Good morning. How are you?
Sonja morning!
[screaming]
Hey, baby.
Wow, you look so stunning for Philly.
You too.
Hi. Well, look at my jacket.
Oh, love. Sonja, you're manifesting love.
Come here, baby. I'm so happy to see you.
I want to manifest love.
You are love. I'm so excited.
I can't wait for you to meet Devyn.
-She's going to love you. -I'm very comfortable.
Good. You look it.
I'm just thrilled that Eboni is doing this.
I have the best chance of meeting somebody
who I might actually like with Devyn.
I mean, can you imagine if Luann or Ramona were setting me up?
I mean...
What can I tell you?
I really cherish my one-on-one relationships.
They're like family to me because I'm alone in New York.
-I know. -You're alone too.
I'm totally a lone wolf.
When I heard you were alone like me I was like, "You get it."
Well, that's probably why we connect,
and I'm like you, an introvert.
So, I do the same thing, girl.
So, don't feel guilty. I got to decompress, baby.
There's a lot going on in this world.
You're very giving and you've got a huge agenda.
Yeah, a huge agenda.
I mean, excuse the word 'cause it's been cliched
but I explained to the girls the other day.
Your life message has been before, before the movement.
It feels like she's on a mission and I want to like her for her.
I don't need to be educated.
I like to be exposed to more things.
-Right, right. -I like to learn more things.
But do you think she's like that all the time everywhere?
Because she's a broadcaster, lawyer,
even her podcast is about movement.
I get it.
See, that's her business but we're not her business.
That's your life's work. That's it.
'Cause Ramona, I don't think she meant it malicious
but she tried to throw you in the bus too.
She was like, "We all think you're too preachy."
I was like, I don't think Sonja thinks that.
No, what I said is
it's uncomfortable and we gotta do the work.
Yeah. Yeah, but- And it is uncomfortable.
But it's always been uncomfortable
and that's why people don't say anything.
They'd rather not be uncomfortable.
And that's why we've gotten ourselves into this mess.
But, listen, I like to have a good time too.
That's why I told Ramona,
"Are you kidding me? I love to have a good time.
It doesn't have to always be heavy.
So, like, don't give me that."
That's what they're worried about but I'll tell you.
I have a hard time getting my words out around them.
They cut me off. They don't listen.
They don't make me comfortable.
They shut down conversation.
That's what Ramona tried to do and they just sit in it.
You know what, I gotta go. Okay, I'm going.
Lovely to see you. Thank you for your great gift.
You were upset and why? We don't have to be upset.
-Look, Sonja, you- -[pop]
So happy.
I said, "Ramona, we're not going to shut
"this down 'cause you're a tough woman.
You can handle more than you give yourself credit for."
And she did.
She sat there and she took it like a big girl,
and we had a great convo.
I'm going to be patient with me and Ramona.
Now, Ramona, because she's pushed through the panic.
She can actually talk to me but Ramona and I
are going to be an experiment.
I didn't say whatever they said.
I said it's your mission in life and it's your job.
Yeah, and it is literally, both of those.
And I'm going to actually say it to them
as we go to Salem because they need to know...
I needed to get it out upfront.
I just met you ladies.
I wanted to be very clear and upfront about who I am,
and the work that I do, and what's in my heart space.
Now that I feel like I've established that
we can have totally other kinds of conversations.
That's what they were hoping for.
In fact, they said.
"Well, I just hope now that we've gotten
through this it's going to get easier."
-And I said, "yes". -I think so.
I'm happy to be going on another trip with the women
because I think it's going to give us-
not a do-over but a do-more.
That's it, a do-more. I want Salem to be good.
-Yeah. -And fun.
So, I don't want to bring any sh-- to Salem.
We do not need any sh-- in Salem.
No sh-- in Salem!
[chanting] No sh-- in Salem!
[laughter]
Coming up:
Oh my God, I'm sorry. That thing is freaking me out.
[screaming]
[upbeat pop music]
♪
Glad we're here.
-This is us? -Oh, is this us?
-Okay, I'll drop down. -You first, babe.
All right.
I'm so excited!
It is the city of- now I'm going to call it sisterly love.
Sisterly love.
-Devyn, Hi! -Eboni, hello.
Oh, my God.
It's so good to see you.
Meet my good friend Sonja.
-Hi! -Hi, how are you?
[talking over each other]
Sonja needs to give herself a chance
to have love again, and happiness.
And I'm really excited to connect her with Devyn
'cause I think it's possible.
I really do. I'm excited for her.
So, yeah, I don't know if she warned you though.
Like, I'm a straight shooter and-
She's a lot like me.
I was going to say, yeah.
I like tough love.
I don't need anyone blowing smoke up my-
-Good. -You know what?
Cute little ass 'cause she's got a nice ass actually.
Good 'cause when you're dating
you're either a liability or an asset.
-There you go. -This is a full asset.
I think she already interviewed me.
She should probably tell you everything that she learned.
She did the warm-up but I want to hear it from you.
So, the more I know the more valuable I can be for you, okay?
So, like, don't hold back.
-Okay. -Don't hold back.
Devyn's good with this.
I'm ready to go and I have a team behind me
in terms of finding you a really great guy.
Let's see if Devyn gets me.
Honestly, that's how I feel when I meet anyone.
That my reputation may, you know, precede me
but I think Eboni has described me to her.
So, I trust it a bit.
So, let's start with some-
-Let's start with a coffee. -Anything, yes.
-I need a coffee too. -Yeah.
So, I'm going to have coffee with, umm, what do we want?
Oh, littleneck clams. That goes great with coffee.
[Devyn laughing]
I'm eclectic.
Imma just do a sparkling water and lime for now.
Thank you.
Okay, so, tell me a little bit about you.
What are you passionate about right now?
What do you enjoy doing?
What do you want to do more of?
I help people through my philanthropy.
Raising money for different causes.
Okay, what are some causes close to your heart?
Animals, children, LGBT, and artists.
-The vulnerables. -Okay. Yeah.
And I'm learning more and more recently
about the Black movement through my friend Eboni.
Good.
And then I'm on the board of my family's charity
American Friends of Blerancourt.
Which is Anne Morgan's chateau outside of Paris
and it's a museum. I'm just a Francophile.
Okay, yeah.
I am not adverse to French or Italian men.
Okay.
I married American but he loved to travel.
Okay.
But I should say we were loners.
We liked to spend a lot of time alone.
We've had a hell of a conversation.
Yeah, on a private island.
Those things aren't important to me.
Well, they're not the most important.
The lawyer in me has got to advocate for my girl.
Yeah.
So, we don't want nobody broke.
-No, no broke ass. -No broke ass.
Sonja married the bank.
Where do you go from there?
A broke one? I don't think so.
So, someone who's worldly and smart.
Would it be fair to say that that's one of your must-haves?
Those are my must-haves but I have no problem spending
a lot of time at home. Dinner at home.
Are there age parameters?
No, no age parameters.
Okay.
So, Devyn, as we start talking
a bit about the future I truly believe,
which is why I brought her here, she's ready for a new chapter.
So, I do actually have a guy in mind-
Oh, sh--!
Who has a home in France but I'm going to go back with the team.
-Ah! Exciting! -We'll do some re-evaluating
but I do already have someone in mind who lives in New York-
You said you were a Francophile which made me think of him.
He's worldly. He's fun and easygoing.
He's a very good dad. His daughter works at his firm.
So, we'll see.
That sounds intriguing.
I trust Devyn because I trust Eboni
and I think she's taking the time
to describe who I really am, the real me,
not the, you know, straw that stirs the drink.
Would you want to get married again?
Well, I'm ready but, you know,
I don't really believe in waiting forever because I'm-
What would you say? I'm a grown-ass woman.
Grown-ass woman.
[unclear] Yeah!
Okay, I love it!
♪
Black turtleneck. we've got the sweater.
We're going to a haunted house So I need a good chapeau.
Where are my hats?
I'll get you one. All right.
Oh, don't put them on the bed.
That's very bad luck. Did you not know that?
Very bad luck.
First night is leather or latex.
So, I'll be like a cat.
These are good walking boots.
And the sports bra for working out.
I need a piece of chicken. I'm hungry.
You want to come with me?
Do you want to get in the bag?
You getting in the bag? Go on.
We need to put you in a little witch outfit.
It'd look so cute on.
♪
Hey, baby.
Eboni K. Williams.
You're making fun of me. I love it.
Ebony K. Mother----ing Williams.
Where are you?
So, Sonja and I are coming back from Philly.
Oh, my God, how was it?
So, so, dope. Very chill, very good.
That's amazing. So, listen, for Salem.
You guys need to get your asses home
and pack because we're leaving tomorrow.
I know. We haven't packed for sh--.
That's why we need to stay overnight though.
We're going to be doing a séance.
There's other things that you're going
to freaking love that we're doing, honestly.
Me too. Let's do something different.
Let's get spiritual.
Let's manifest. Let's just go out of our comfort zone.
Let's get ----ing spooky bitches.
We came up with a saying.
No sh-- in Salem.
We all need to take a major chill and like,
live in a little Salem bitch bubble for five days.
-We're with it. -Okay, good.
Coming up:
This one's ass is next level.
You look like Catwoman.
Wow. Oh, you can twerk!
[upbeat techno pop music]
♪
Hi, how are you?
Thank you. Okay.
Nice!
Is anyone in here yet?
Oh my God, it's like being on a tour bus.
I love it.
This is my first trip I'm hosting
and like, look, these women are not easy to please.
They have, like, big expectations.
I ----ing love it.
And we do have to drive about four hours.
Oh, my God.
And this is how I do it, rock star style.
I want a ----ing tour bus.
-Hi. -Hey, oh my God.
-This is awesome. -Isn't this so cool?
And guess what? There's Wi-fi just for you.
...witches.
Oh my God, this is great.
Holy cow.
I've never been to Salem but, you know,
I'm into the witch thing. Witches with the bitches.
Hi!
Whoo-hoo!
Isn't this fun? Oh my God, this is so much fun.
-That's so you. -What?
This is so you.
It's so tour bus. I love it.
Yeah, and me just being one of those-
what do you call those, roadie girls?
-Groupies. -Groupie.
It's a groupie. A groupie- Hi, honey.
-Hey gorgeous. -Hey!
-Welcome. -Welcome home.
Alright, I'm giving you a tour.
Got our little kitchen. They got it stocked.
Leah, you bring it, girl.
I brought it, girl.
This is like the club.
Smoking weed and banging chicks and whatever.
I'm literally going to sleep.
[women cheering]
Whoa. You just made me wake up.
Bright pink.
It's getting weird, Ramona. I packed gray and black.
And you're wearing gray and black.
It's getting so weird.
We always match, Ramona and I, without even trying.
If she wears leopard; I'm wearing leopard.
Oh, my God.
[women cheering]
Here comes the apologizer.
It's like a photo shoot.
-Hi! -Hey!
How are you guys?
Welcome to our tour bus.
I know, look at this van.
Loving your whole outfit right now.
I love you. Hi cutie.
Hi gorgeous.
Okay, off we go.
Salem bitch trials.
Witches. We're the witches.
I'm going to lay down for a little bit.
I need a rest.
First of all, thank you.
Nice RV.
The whole trip is actually going to be great.
I have, like, the things that are planned.
I'm very, very excited.
It's going to be very special, really is.
This is the crazy bus.
It reminds me of those trains that you can sleep on
because there's actually, like, beds.
Beds to sleep.
Ready to take a nap?
Yeah, I'm going to have to go back here and do it.
Tell us about your trip. The matchmaker thing.
-It was great. -It was great?
Did she have some guys for you, or what happened?
She had one guy in mind.
She's going to start doing a search.
She's got her work cut out.
I usually meet the men I know through friends of mine
but this is why I call them friends with benefits.
But now I want commitment
and that is a whole different ball game.
I need you to get me one of those vibrators.
The Gumby ones that you had. Remember I had that stupid one.
The one that was in the chicken. I don't want that.
There was a vibrator in the chicken.
-What? -Yeah.
Oh, my God, I have to laugh or I might cry.
We need to go online this trip.
We need to get another one.
Hold on, I want one too.
All right, let's do it right now. Let's go.
There was that good one. Vibrator sex for men.
Sex for men? Sex for Sonja.
Okay, here we go.
Look at this.
[woman oohing and ahhing]
Tried and true.
That's the good one, rabbit. Let's get that.
That's it. That's it. That's it.
We're on the same page. Luann likes a vibrator.
Sonja likes a vibrator. I like a vibrator.
So, we already click.
It's funny that all of us have been through divorce.
All of us.
-Yeah, twice for me. -Who did you marry?
I married a British baker.
Oh!
I got cancer two weeks before my wedding.
-What kind of cancer? -Stage IV breast cancer.
Wow.
They gave me three months to live.
I got on my knees.
I prayed to God, "If you keep me alive,
I will be a warrior for everyone on this Earth."
Cancer really messes with your mind, right?
You know what I mean?
Just to have that on your mind.
Think about death, CAT scan, CAT scan, going to doctors.
I mean, like, you've got to really push through.
When someone tells you you're going to die, you wake up.
So, I'm awake. Not afraid of anyone.
How long have you been cancer-free now?
13 years, baby!
Awesome.
13 years, yeah.
I'm looking forward to getting to know Bershan
on this trip because we had a nice time together in Harlem.
She can be silly and have fun.
So yeah, I'll party with my girl Bershan.
Alright, tonight we're having our latex-and-leather dinner.
I love it.
But at the dinner, there will be fortune tellers, tattoo artists.
If anyone wants to get a tattoo.
Permanent or temporary?
It's permanent. I will be getting one.
It's not permanent.
Dinner is at a tattoo shop.
It's a beautiful tattoo shop.
Oh, my God.
I'm not sure who's going to get a tattoo and who isn't,
but we know Leah will for sure 'cause she loves tattoos.
Me, I don't like tattoos.
I don't want to deface my body, you know? I don't.
♪
Alright, here we are, the Hawthorne Hotel.
We're in Salem, you guys.
Salem Bitch Trials!
Am I doing this right?
We're all twinning.
You look like you're gonna go to the moon though, Leah.
I'm ready to take off. Alright, let's do it.
Welcome to Salem.
Hi, how are you?
Oh wow, it smells so good in here.
I love it. It smells like smokey.
Well, come on in, ladies.
We'd love to take you in,
get a welcome for you.
I love this freakin' hotel.
It's a little spooky, but the place is beautiful.
-Hello. -Hello ladies.
What is this, dear?
We're just gonna stand sort of in a circle.
Wait, are we supposed to eat these?
No, no. Those are crystals.
It's healing power.
I love it, I love it.
Welcome to the historic Hawthorne Hotel.
Thank you, dear.
[champagne cork popping]
[cheering]
Welcome to Salem, bitches.
Cheers!
Welcome!
Thank you, dear.
My name is Claire Kallelis.
I'm the General Manager of the historic Hawthorne Hotel.
We were built in 1925.
And it was named after Nathanial Hawthorne,
the author of the House of Seven Gables and the Scarlet Letter
as well as other small stories.
Since it was built, there's been a lot of experiences
of spiritual encounters throughout the decades.
In 1692, the witch trials happened
here at the Hawthorne Hotel
20 people were killed, 19 were hung and 1 was pressed to death.
Pressed to death?
Wait, that happened here?
Oh, my god.
Coming up.
I want a game, I want a game, I want a game.
No. You're making yourself look other than you are.
You can't change the subject.
[mysterious techno music]
In 1692, the witch trials
happened here at the Hawthorne Hotel
20 people were killed.
Wait, that happened here?
It happened in Salem.
In Salem, OK.
-Not in the hotel? -No, no, no.
-I don't like the energy. -Where's the bus?
Oooh, there's a lot of, like, witch energy going on.
John Hawthorne was one of the judges of the witch trials.
He was Nathanial Hawthorne's great-great-grandfather.
So, some people say John Hawthorne is coming back
to the Hawthorne Hotel.
Oh my god, I'm sorry, that thing is freaking me out.
That's him.
[shrieking]
His eyeballs are moving, right?
So is the hotel okay?
That's all I want to know because I am nervous.
No, no, it's not okay. It's haunted.
In horror movies, the black person gets killed first.
Not my type of girl's trip.
What I want to do right now is introduce my catering manager,
June Jenning.
June is also a priestess
with the coven here in Salem with witchcraft.
Oh, my god.
We're just gonna do a quick little goddess blessing
to set our attention and get us ready for the weekend all right?
May the powers of the dark winged crow fly with us.
May the whispers of the raven wings be with us.
May the howls of the wolves run with us.
May these women
not get us thrown out of Salem, Massachusetts.
Because I really wanna come back here with Kiki.
So mote it be.
Ooo, I love that.
Did you get the chills, a little bit?
I'm so in love with this hotel.
I love, you know, the spookiness of it.
Claire, what time they start serving breakfast?
10:30?
Whenever you want breakfast, you gotta--
Can I order room service without an extra charge?
If I were a ghost in this hotel, I'd go to the other rooms.
Is room service included?
I mean what ghost is gonna come back and mess with Singer?
Ah, I love this bed, Sonja!
This is gorgeous.
Oh, you guys hung our stuff up already.
So 612 is one of the most haunted rooms.
Everything in here is mostly positive energy.
There's nothing really negative.
A tug on your foot when you're sleeping.
It's probably Sonja tugging on my foot.
Oh I'm not putting no toe tag on you.
It's too early.
Oh wow, look at this.
Oh, my god. This is amazing.
Oh, you got your own sage.
Everyone has their own personalized altar.
Fang play.
Like fang-schway.
I love it.
Oh wow, beautiful.
Help yourself.
-I love roses! -Well, good. I'm so glad.
Let me sage this room before any evil spirits come in here.
You know, I sage my room because maybe it'll bring a good ghost.
Only good spirits here.
Maybe I'll, you know, get lucky during the night.
You look creepy. You need some sage.
♪
Oh, why didn't I just go in Ramona's room?
I can't do this alone.
♪
A little lace.
Hey, I'm with the girls. Why not?
♪
OK. Gimme that face lift.
When you've been wearing pyjamas for a year,
the thought of getting into latex
is, like, really ----ing exciting.
But I've also been looking for an excuse
to dress like a dominatrix.
♪
Have to lay out your edges with gin and tonic.
That's how I'm feeling, myself.
♪
Jesus.
This was an outfit
looking for an excuse for a party.
You look amazing.
-I'm borderline. -This is wonderful.
No, thank you. I'm borderline.
I had something sticky like this,
I couldn't even get my foot in so I gave it to my daughter.
But I did the lace. Followed the rules.
Yes, bitch!
Hey!
You look so sexy.
-Love the outfit. -Love you.
Sequins and lace.
Look at this, I said this was an excuse
to have this party because she knew it was so hot.
She wanted to wear modified chaps again.
I love it. It's so hot.
Amazing. Turn around.
The butt is like cheeky.
Oh good.
This one's ass is next level.
She's the Halle Berry Catwoman.
You are. You are.
Oooh, you can twerk.
OK, boomer.
Hey, Gorgeous, I love this pop of red.
Hello!
Alright, guys. Off we go.
You're an idiot.
Sonja, do this at the dinner please.
We have to go. I don't wanna be late.
We're already late.
OK, let's go.
Oooh, this is extremely nice.
-Oooh I love your hair. -Thank you.
I'm so happy with my room.
I burned my sage already.
Okay, is anybody else getting a tat?
-What to you mean? -A tattoo?
I'm attached to my body free of things.
I think Lou should think about it.
I don't think I was ever going to get another one.
-Oh, you have one? -Oh, I have a bunch.
I think you're the only person with tattoos currently.
We're all tattoo-free.
What's on your back?
It's a tramp stamp.
I don't talk to people's tattoos.
I'm tattoo-free. Are you doing it?
I'm thinking about it.
Let's do it, baby!
You girls are nuts.
You're doing this just because of the pandemic.
Are we actually having dinner in the tattoo salon?
Yeah.
Oh, they serve dinner there?
It's decorated like-- really, it's like a beautiful space.
I may want it on the top of my ass.
Coming up.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Yes, I do.
You're in your tiny little bubble,
and the world's so far away.
You have no idea who I am.
You are what's wrong in the world.
[light techno beats]
OK, guys.
Oh, my god, look how great this is.
Looks beautiful.
Oh, my god, it's like Halloween all the time here.
Okay, this is the fortune teller.
Wait, guys, get your fortunes.
Wow, you've got some big hands.
I feel very good about this.
The place looks beautiful, the women are impressed.
I know we have a few more days,
but I feel like I already got an A+ on this trip.
Drink up, witches.
I'm gonna be on my best behavior tonight.
[mysterious organ music]
-Are you twins? -Yeah.
What are you gonna do tonight?
I'm not scared, I'm intrigued.
-I'm Ryan. -I'm Matthew.
Ryan and Matthew. Holy names.
I think I could use a blessing tonight.
One thing I know for sure is these twins are not scary,
they're just cute.
Cheers, ladies.
I'm so happy we're doing this.
So I'll take a blessing
before the evil spirits come into the room.
Oh is that a lobster mini roll?
The good stuff.
Tell us about your trip to Philly.
-Yeah, I wanna know. -Tell us about that.
Lovely.
I had a great time with Eboni and she was very chill,
for those who are interested. Fun girl.
Light, lively, nothing to do with the current conversation
or the movement or the election.
We talked girl talk.
I love girl talk.
OK, where's this coming from?
Because when Eboni first joined the group,
she wanted to let everyone know her platform
and her mission was about Black lives matter.
Liberating black lives in America.
What's wrong with that?
Well, some people thought it was a little heavy.
I appreciate Sonja for being able to share those aspects
with these women, but it also tells me
that they have taken this narrative
of my being teachy and preachy
and... [angry gibberish] too damn far.
It got to be, like, a lot during the election
and as Luann pointed out, it was like post-traumatic stress
for many people just to deal with the Covid.
Sonja's stirring the pot, I mean--
she's stirring the cauldron.
She wanted us to know when she first met us,
she's new to the group, who she was and what she is about.
Her life mission is to make a change.
And it's uncomfortable for people.
Sonja got it right that that's so not who I am.
Y'all have been around me enough to know
I know how to have a good time.
What it is like, Sonja's spot on.
I'm new to the group.
I wanted to just make that extremely clear
where I fell on that issue so that there's no confusion.
'Cause we can kiki, we can have laughs--
So let's hear about the ride.
No, no, no, Ramona, you're not gonna shut it down, baby,
because you're strong.
I'm not shutting it down.
I'm just gonna say this one thing
because we still have a right to speech,
I think, so here's the thing.
I wanna kiki,
I wanna talk about girl talk, boys, and all that good stuff,
however, we can't get to the kiki
if I have an outstanding question in my heart and mind
if you are aligned with white supremacy.
White Supremacy is not 1920's Jim Crowe south,
burning crosses and hanging up black people by nooses.
This is the reality that in today's America,
you're either one of two things:
you are an anti-racist or you are a racist.
That's what it is.
So tell 'em about the matchmaker,
that's what I wanna hear.
Yeah but I don't know where you got the idea
that we might be aligned with white supremacy,
that's what's confusing to me because we had our conversation,
we got through it because of tolerance
and because coming to the table and talking.
Communication. It's called communication.
I don't know where Eboni is coming from right now,
it's just very confusing.
None of us have given her any indication of what
she's trying to accuse us of, I mean, this is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
That's what makes us work as a group of friends
is we talk to each other about all the sh--
that's going on in our lives.
Amen.
And we did. We hear you loud and clear.
Well, speak for yourself.
Well, you do. I do.
We all do, what are you talking about?
Well, Ramona, my dear,
you know I really, really care for you.
I felt when I came over Friday,
you didn't wanna hear what I had to say.
I don't wanna hear about race, religion or creed, okay?
Ramona, that's who I am.
You said I don't wanna talk about race, creed or colour.
Because you've been preaching about it
for like the past every time we see you.
And all the other girls said, she even said it,
that it was too much.
-Bershan said that? -Yeah she did.
No, let me speak for myself.
And by the way, when Sonja was with us for lunch
she also agreed on the same thing, so...
It's a huge movement right now.
No, I know it is and we respect that.
But I'm wondering when it's gonna loosen up a little bit
with her a little bit and we can talk about other subjects.
-Exactly. -And have some fun.
Sonja likes to play both sides.
I said the movement is awkward, I didn't say Eboni.
Honestly, when it comes down to this,
I don't think it has to do with Eboni talking about racism.
I think that the issue was more about Eboni's personality.
Because normally when a new woman
comes to this group, you get sh-- on a little bit.
-Yes! -I got sh-- on by this one.
-You're being psychotic. -Shut it down!
I got sh-- on by this one.
Is this your idea?
Oh God, I should've known.
Because you're like full of 14th Street?
Sometimes by that one.
Eboni is not allowing that to happen at all.
You guys have been friends for 13 years
and there's never been a black woman in your group, ever.
The kind of pressure that is on her,
in every single news outlet, first black woman--
You gotta ignore the press. The press can kill you.
She's used to the press.
Shut up. Shut the [bleep] up.
You shut the [bleep] up.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You live in a tiny little bubble in a world so far away.
You have no idea who I am.
Ramona listen. Don't be defensive.
You're a ----ing moron. Just be quiet.
No, I am not a moron.
You are what's wrong in the world so shut up.
You're what's wrong in the world.
You absolutely are. Trust me. Trust me.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You live in a tiny little bubble in a world so far away.
You have no idea who I am.
You are what's wrong in the world so shut up.
You're what's wrong.
You absolutely are. Trust me. Trust me.
Hold on, hold on.
I'm going to the ladies room.
That's convenient, Ramona.
It is because I don't really enjoy these conversations.
You wanna remain ignorant?
I'm not ignorant.
Yeah, but you are.
You don't wanna know these things.
It's not ignorance if you sit down
and hear what they have to say.
Ramona you really should stay.
And you've come a long way, Ramona.
You've come a long way, that's why I want you to stay.
Let Bershan have the floor.
I was trying to say something nice.
I didn't finish.
Can you let her speak?
Here is the thing.
Your intention is to let people learn and understand.
-On their own terms. -On their own terms.
Whatever.
Sometimes delivery can come a little harsh
and it can come across a little teachy
so you have to understand
what these women can come across like
all right, is she giving us a lecture?
And it's great but it can come across too much.
I've already accepted based on Harlem Night,
Bershan and I have a different approach,
certainly with this particular group of women,
but Bershan, respectfully, sis, don't encroach on mine.
I receive you and I hear you and I hear that for white women
that might not have had to sit
in the uncomfortablility of these conversations,
I know that this might feel exhausting
to have to feel like every mother----ing day
it's something else,
Black Lives Matter, and we've got a mask on,
it's this and that.
You said something, Mona, and I know you meant it purely,
which is, we don't want to have to always hear about your cause.
No, I said sometimes you're too preachy and teachy,
that's what she was saying.
I'm almost done.
It's not my cause,
because it's my existential right to exist
as a free, liberated person in this country.
But you're living a great life, I don't understand.
OK, and I understand--
I don't even have what you have.
I don't live your life.
I want your life, bitch. You're living real good.
Mona's saying something that a lot of people,
when they look at me, feel, which is you're talking
about Black Lives Matter,
you're talking about Black subordination of life,
but I'm looking and I'm seeing a first class existence.
But you said you suffer and I said that looking at you,
I don't think you suffer.
Just because she's doing well doesn't mean
she didn't struggle
or didn't have to face any racism
or any sexism or whatever.
Like no one sees Ramona struggling either.
I'm sure she's had to deal with some stuff.
Well, ----ing triple that and that's Eboni.
But guess what, Ramona Singer might, who I enjoy,
and I think we're this close to real sisterhood.
And I can't get there if I have to have an authentic outstanding
question about not you being a Klansman,
but if you are aligned with white supremacy.
Oh, my Lord. Are you kidding me?
Just what does that mean,
because obviously we hear white supremacy
and it's like that's the worst thing in the world.
What does that mean?
So I'm not saying anybody is. I'm asking the question.
I know, but you're questioning us.
So it makes us feel a little uncomfortable.
Are you talking about Donald Trump?
I'm talking about Donald Trump.
I don't think everybody who voted for Donald Trump
is a white supremacist but some people that did are.
If you support Trump because of economic reasons, say that,
now be prepared to get push back,
but at least be prepared to stand by your reasons
for supporting this president and at least with me.
we can have a dialogue, but Ramona won't even go there.
Have you ever supported Donald Trump ever?
I have never supported Donald Trump.
But like, there's footage of you, I'm sure you've seen it,
saying positive things about him.
You said you weren't sure who you were gonna vote for,
you said your mom voted for him.
No, my mom did vote for him.
You're talking on one side
and then hear you're supporting Trump.
I have never supported Donald Trump,
but my mother voted for Donald Trump in 2016.
I was very vocal about that. She had her reasons.
Well, who cares if she voted for Trump?
It's not about who she voted for.
She's talking about, she's saying that it matters.
It's going nowhere.
I don't think it's not going nowhere.
I think this is the root of the problem, Bershan.
I just came to have some fun.
Why do we have to have this conversation?
Hate that Ramona left,
but I understand that it was too hot.
Ramona needs to sit here and be uncomfortable.
It is uncomfortable.
So you're saying that if anyone voted for Donald Trump here,
they're part of white supremacy?
No. But I wanted to know where she stood on the issue.
That's it. It's a question.
We know how things are in the world.
And if you vote for him
or support him like she does, right?
So then she should be able to say I support him
because of his tax cuts. Which I can respect.
Or say I support him because of where he falls on the Iran deal.
-Let's play a game. -No.
I want a game, I want a game, I want a game.
You are making yourself look other than you are.
Totally insensitive to this moment.
You can't change the subject.
I'm like cringing.
I wanna relax.
I think that maybe Ramona should have stayed
wherever she was because coming back
to this and doing the "I'm White" dance,
I don't know if she's ever living this one down.
We have to just move through this.
We've been moving through this every time we're with her.
Every time with Eboni.
-Eboni is still black. -Well, I'm still white.
Sorry, I'm white.
Should I apologize that I'm white?
I am a daughter of an immigrant.
My mother came with nothing.
It doesn't matter. It's different.
And then there was three.
Next time on The Real Housewive of New York City.
You know it's Friday the 13th, right?
Yeah, Ramona.
You guys aren't gonna get mad if I dress like a pastor?
Don't kill me, bitch.
I don't wanna defame my body.
Are you sure you wanna do this?
Ramona, shut up.
Why are you crying so bad?
-It's about her. -Oh,okay.
This group is a little bit boring.
We're boring?
-You guys are being grandmas. - Are those devices?
You're not listening! You're not listening.
Use your brain, bitch.
[yelling]