[upbeat music]
- Tonight on the dramatic conclusion
of "The Real Housewives of New York City" reunion...
Why are you always hungry?
- I have a tapeworm.
[laughter]
- We must talk about Gideon.
- His penis is very proper.
- It's like, hello. [laughter]
- I know that there's something that Ubah
said earlier that was--
- Oh, I was just confused.
You said that nobody wanted me on the show.
- And then she got so drunk in front of our kids.
And David said she has to go.
And three months later you die; I feel like it's my fault.
- Both of you guys are fake. - We're not fake.
- If I say that I like her, then that's how it is.
You don't need to pipe your--
- Is there any place I can puke around here?
- I was such a bitch.
And I'm so sorry.
- Maybe you don't know how to be loved.
- Watch her ----ing mouth.
I'm not afraid of you.
- You put people in the hospital?
- No--
- Ooh.
- I am so tired.
I'm just--nobody has my back.
(BLEEP) all of you.
- You implied my husband is cheating on me...
- No, I did not.
- Because I'm not having sex with him.
- No, I did not. - Yes, you both did.
- No, I did not. - I didn't imply anything.
- Apparently he's going to Vietnam,
make it even worse for 24 hours.
That's enough time to get into trouble.
- [laughs]
- Lots can happen in 24 hours.
Can it. Pop it.
- Did you also--
when you talked about your sex life or lack thereof,
did you also talk to them about your postpartum struggles
in the same conversation?
- Yes. - Was it one and the same?
- No. - No, I did not.
- Of course. - Thank you, Ubah.
- You did you not. - You did not.
- But why aren't you having sex?
- I don't know.
I just--I'm really, like, self-conscious about my scar,
like, the C-section scar.
- Oh, because you had a C-section?
- Yeah. I was putting on a schedule, and it was work.
It was, like, I'm ovulating, go, go, go, go, go.
And so maybe now when I think about it, like,
that's probably-- - Oh, my God.
You've discarded him. Maybe he feels like that.
- Maybe he feels like that too.
- Not to the level you did in your confessionals.
When I watched it, I was like, holy sh--,
I didn't know you were going through all of that.
- We were trying to conceive, and nothing was happening.
So I ended up going through five cycles of IVF.
It was brutal.
- I thought it was more of a playful thing.
- You never were like, "Look, I'm really
"going through something emotionally,
I'm suffering from postpartum, all the rounds of IVF."
If you would have came to us and been like,
"This is not OK," never once did you say that.
It was just like-- - I didn't know
what you were saying behind my back, actually.
- You could talk to us.
We're your friends at the end of the day.
- I didn't know what you were saying behind my back.
- We were saying it to you.
- What did I say behind your back?
- That, "Pavit, oh, you're cheating in Vietnam."
- I didn't say he was cheating. - Never.
- What would you say
if I was just flying to Vietnam repeatedly?
- Who the (BLEEP) are you ----ing?
- You hear that? - [laughs]
- Vietnam while they're in overtime.
- You implied it. - No, I didn't.
- I'm not saying you. I'm saying Sai implied it.
- OK, this is the first time you didn't say me.
- I want to put a pin in that.
Jenna, Laura from Plymouth, Michigan, said,
"At Brynnsgiving, you kept insisting
"that Jessel's cackling hags comment was not that bad.
"Do you really believe that
"or were you trying to defuse the situation
since you were the one to stir that pot?"
- No, I'm actually-- my father is British.
And it is a common thing to say "cackling hags" in England,
so I didn't take-- - No, it's not.
- But a lot of people have told me it's not very common.
- It's not.
- My father used to say it, so I don't know--
- My mom calls me a hag, so I--
- No, I had people stop me in London two weeks whenever,
and people in London, they were like it's not a thing.
- My father used to say-- - It's not a thing.
- That's what I-- - You were engaged to a Brit.
Did you ever hear it?
- No, and actually he confirmed,
as did his mother, Lady Stecia, it is definitely not a thing.
- His mother is a lady? - She is a lady.
- Really?
- I know, but Gideon's like royalty.
Like, they wouldn't even say, like, stupid.
- Sai, Amy from Green Mountain, North Carolina, says,
"It seems like things between you and Jessel
"really started to go off the rails
when Jessel insulted Jenna's gift."
- You are gorgeous. - No, I hate--
I absolutely hate it. I feel like a Christmas tree.
This is not my vibe at all.
- I couldn't stand the gift that she gave you.
You came down, "I hate it. I look like a Christmas tree."
- "Jenna was letting it go.
Why did you take up the fight for her?"
- Um, I think at that very moment, I looked at Jenna,
and I can feel how upset she was or just embarrassed.
And it pissed me off too.
So it was almost as if she was my sister
and I just kind of came to the rescue.
And I thought it was really rude.
And I had to say something, because I knew that
she wasn't going to say something in that moment.
- How did you feel about Sai and Erin taking up your cause?
- You know, it was actually--
I've never had, like, a sister or a friend.
And I don't want--
I didn't want you to feel hurt, but I also felt like,
"Wait, they're sticking up for me?"
Like, it actually felt really good.
[laughter] - [laughs] Oh, that's nice.
- I mean, I don't even remember half of that, but it was--
I was very unaware of your emotions.
And I'm sorry.
- Esteco on Twitter says,
"What the hell is wrong with Sai and Erin?
"They get nuts about Jenna not sharing.
"Then they ask Jessel to share, she does,
and they make fun of her."
Erin, what's your-- - I would like to address this.
- OK.
- So I think the problem I was having
with understanding your stories is that, first of all,
they weren't-- they didn't seem like yours.
I understand that your family is your stories,
but I didn't--
I wanted to know, like,
your upbringing and how you grew up.
And the other thing that was hard for me was
these girls would talk about,
you know, these really hard upbringings
and growing up with literally nothing.
And then you would come in and be like, "I had an internship.
And I got to live with my uncle."
- I actually didn't have anything growing up.
- Your life was so incredibly hard when you
lived with your rich uncle?
- I said I lived with my uncle.
Did I say he was incredibly rich?
- Having an internship is a privilege.
- But why is it a competition?
- It's not, but she would say, "I grew up with nothing."
- First of all, I just want to say, like,
I talk about my parents and where they come from,
because it informs my identity.
It's the color of my skin. It's my culture.
And it's a fair--
- I totally get it. - Like, you know what I mean?
So for--for--for Sai to be like,
uh, "In 1492, Jessel's parents came on the 'Mayflower.'"
And, like, that was very offensive to me.
You guys poked fun. You belittled my story.
- No, no, no.
- Jessel, wait, that's not--that's not it.
- That's not what happened. - But it was.
- We're not belittling your story at all.
Stop saying stuff like that. That's not it.
- Listen, there's a difference--
- I'm sorry, but it is. - Well, if that's how she felt.
- That's how I felt, and I don't need to feel like that.
- I apologize if that's how you felt.
Watching back, it does seem like we are going a little bit
too crazy on Jessel.
I want to know more about you.
Your story is about your parents coming from Kenya.
That's great! - Is that not part of my story?
- No, we want to know about you!
- Jessel-- - It's that simple!
- Is that not part of my story? - It's that simple!
- Why are you ----ing yelling?
- Because I can't get the point across the same sh--.
In that moment, I remember she kept talking in circles to me.
And it wasn't--the math wasn't mathing for me at the time.
So I just kept lashing out on her,
because I was getting so frustrated.
Because I just didn't feel like--
- Jenna, what was your take? You were there.
- I think--
and Jessel and I have talked about this a little bit.
I think sometimes what happens is, like,
there is a disconnect a little bit
of not referencing or acknowledging the difference.
And I think that's-- it's not about comparing.
It's just I think sometimes if someone's talking
about their uncle passing away from alcoholism,
it's just very different from a mom.
And that doesn't mean you didn't feel pain or feel,
like, sadness around it. Of course you did.
I just think it--
the two things are just different and just not
being able to acknowledge and find that first
and say, "Listen, I know"-- - Like, give the disclaimer.
Like you said, the mother compares to the uncle.
I'm an African woman.
We take our aunt and uncle, like,
literally our mom and dad.
- Her mother had just passed away.
- I don't want to talk about my mom.
- I was feeling protective over her.
- When you were telling your story about your mom,
I also had, like, a similar situation.
Uncle Nitin, he was an alcoholic.
- I am in a really bad place because my mom had passed away.
- I understand. - She had died five months...
- I understand. And I'm sorry.
- Prior to when we were filming.
- And I'm sorry. - It was just so--
- It was loss. - I know.
- It was a horrible moment for me.
- And she was trying to connect.
And now looking back, I get it.
- And I understand you did not mean anything.
- No. - You meant no harm.
You were just trying to connect with me.
But in that moment,
I just wanted to get away and get out of that situation.
- And I respect that, and I respect that.
- I was just--felt very uncomfortable.
- And you're apologizing. I don't understand.
I don't apologize to you, and I wish
you would stop apologizing for everybody else.
Ripped apart your marriage,
you're ripped on every time to talk about your family.
- Her and I are talking. You're not even in it.
[dramatic music]
- Coming up...
- While you were at the ballet with Brad Pitt and Gwyneth,
I was delivering newspapers with my mother.
- I don't understand. I don't apologize to you, and I wish
you would stop apologizing for everybody else.
Ripped apart your marriage--
- Brynn, her and I are talking. You're not even in it.
- I know it's not apples to apples,
and I wasn't trying to do that.
But watching it back, I realized, like...
- You did not mean to. - It is her mother.
And I absolutely did--
I did not want to compare someone who
is like a father to me, let me just, like,
set the record straight, but it's not the same.
And I can't--I can't channel your emotions,
and I wasn't trying to do that. - I know you weren't.
I know you weren't.
- Jessel, Bobby from Cumberland, Maryland, said,
"You told the women you lived off your savings
"while trying to make it in fashion.
"Who has savings at 20 years old?
"Where did you get these savings?
Doesn't that say privilege right there?"
- I worked through college, and I had savings.
I mean, and by the way, savings could be 5,000,
or it could mean 10,000.
It doesn't mean a trust fund, that's for sure.
- You're not living off 5,000 in New York City, girl.
- Having a savings account and having college paid for
is a privilege.
- Listen, my parents started from scratch in England.
- I totally get that.
My dad started from scratch in Israel
and had no money and came here with $5.
- Exactly. - But did you grow up poor?
I'm just wondering.
- We grew up comfortable but certainly not lavish.
- That's not poor.
- And privilege or no privilege--
- Thank you.
- No, but privilege or no privilege--
- Mic drop.
- I shouldn't be made to feel ashamed of how I grew up.
- How would I be making you feel ashamed?
- Well, you're picking apart her backstory.
- Right. - I'm not.
I just--she's saying she grew up with nothing.
- We had a very simple upbringing.
While you were at the ballet with Brad Pitt and Gwyneth,
I was delivering newspapers with my mother.
OK?
- Do you know my backstory?
When my dad came from the "Mayflower"?
- You guys, I was on the "Mayflower."
[laughs]
- Clearly, and you haven't changed.
- [laughs]
- Uh, Kayla on Twitter says,
"Erin didn't like Brynn flirting with Abe.
"Now she's making negative insinuations
"about Jessel's marriage.
"Erin, what's the difference between what you did
and what Brynn did?"
- Look, I'm really sorry. It just was not right.
I shouldn't have even-- I was poking fun.
It wasn't funny.
I would be upset if I were in your shoes.
I genuinely, genuinely am sorry.
I don't think there's any issue in your marriage.
I think it's weird that he's flying
to Vietnam for a sandwich.
To me, that's strange. - He loves food.
- I get it. - And he will do it.
- I think it's weird.
- He's president of the street food fried chicken committee
in New York. - Put some respect.
- Exactly. Seriously.
- For me, Jessel, can you understand that?
That would be strange to me if Abe said, "Babe,
"I'm going to go to, uh, Thailand.
I'm going to go get like a pad thai, and I'll be back."
- Did Pavit go to Vietnam? - He did.
- How was his trip? - It was great.
He's going to drop his Vietnam street food list soon.
- Sai, you called Jessel a liar for saying Pavit was going
to Vietnam in two weeks rather than just not
having his ticket booked yet.
Does this qualify as lying, or could
she just have misunderstood whether he booked it or not?
- She definitely said he's leaving next week,
and then he turned around.
And when I asked him, I was so confused.
He's like, "When am I leaving?"
At the moment, it felt like a lie,
but maybe it was a misunderstanding.
- But why are you so invested in--
- I was so invested. - I know you were.
- Why, though? Why? - Why?
- I did it. I apologize.
- Pinpointing everything and fact-checking and,
"Did you say this or did you not?
- Brynn, it's not your husband! I'm talking to Jessel!
I apologize, Jessel, but the Vietnam thing to me
was very, very intriguing.
I did not understand it.
Watching it back, you didn't understand it,
which made me even more invested after.
But it is what it is. I'm so sorry.
I don't want to mess up your marriage,
poke holes in your marriage.
This is your thing. I apologize.
- Thank you.
- Jenna, you weren't there for a lot of this conflict.
After watching it play out on the show,
do you agree with Jessel when she says
it was mean girl behavior?
- I could see in her eyes it felt, like, intense.
And I also felt like--
I have a friend who basically flies for miles,
so I do understand it.
- Thank you, Jenna. - So I was like, come on.
It didn't seem like it was necessary to go in so deep.
- Well, Sai, Jessel, and Erin,
now that you've heard everything that each other
have to say, where are we?
Is there hope for reconciliation?
- Yeah. - We've been going out.
- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. - OK.
- I mean, we're all-- - Yeah, we're fine.
- We're great.
You know, it was a very intense few months.
And there was highs and lows and emotions,
but I think we all understand each other now.
- Yes, yes. - We understand our boundaries.
We understand, you know... - There needs to be--
- Personalities. - Food.
- I'm hungry, I have a problem.
[laughs]
- All right, well, that's good to hear.
Well, this season, no-nonsense Sai
had no problem putting any of these ladies in their place.
And while she might be a tough nut to crack,
there's a reason for that.
Let's watch.
- Influencers in the wild.
Oh, my God, I can't hold it. [laughs]
I represent Brooklyn all day.
I used to hang out on Flatbush.
I would just, like, walk down tree-lined blocks
and look through the homes.
Lo and behold, look at me now.
- She's living the life that I want.
It's perfect.
Should I kill her and take her? [laughs]
- Do you have food?
I thought you were cooking.
I want sushi, I want sushi.
Um, is there oatmeal?
- Maybe you should get that checked out.
It seems like you have like a worm in your--like,
there's something wrong.
- I have a tendency to be very hard on people
just because of my upbringing.
Having 20 bucks in my bank account
was a dream when I was young.
My mother was an alcoholic for a long period of time.
I did everything to take care of her.
I--no matter what, I kept trying.
And it just--it didn't work.
It's a book of all... - Whoa.
- Of her art. - That is so beautiful.
- Oh, my God. - So beautiful.
- Contant battle.
It's a part of me.
But at the end of the day, I also
just want to remind people that my mother
was not a bad person, yeah.
[soft dramatic music]
- That's sweet.
- That was so sweet.
- And that's really important, by the way,
what you just said.
You know, with all that you've been through
that you can find that positivity in who she was.
- I try.
I try. - Is that hard?
- I think--thank you.
Growing up with my mom, she was never--[sniffles]
she was not stable.
And, you know, they moved around a lot.
And, um, she did her best.
That was just the way she was.
Those are the cards that she was given.
She wasn't a bad person, you know?
- Did she deal with that her entire life,
or was there some sort of traumatic event
that triggered her in her later years?
- She suffered from mental illness.
And she tried to treat it with alcohol.
And I don't think I noticed things
until I got to high school.
My mother started hanging out in Central Park,
and she would--
she would go there every day and just drink.
A police officer would call me and say she fell
somewhere in the park.
And I have to go pick her up from the hospital.
Or she would get arrested, or--
it was literally like having a child.
And I constantly was just waiting by the phone
to see if I was going to get a phone call
of where I had to go pick her up at.
And, um, the more money I made,
I thought I can throw money on it and get her help,
and she'd just drink.
I wouldn't know where she is or what she was doing.
I always held my breath thinking
I would get that call that she was dead,
and I finally got it.
- I know you mentioned your mom was homeless
for a period of your life.
During that time, how did you keep in touch with her?
- She wasn't physically on the street.
She was in a shelter or a rehab.
I did put her in a
assisted living/rehab for a while.
And then she got in trouble there,
and that's why she ended up with me.
I was the only one who continuously
would forgive her and say, "OK, yeah, sure,
let's do it again."
I just really thought it would change every single time.
I thought it would change, and it just never ever changed.
It's like a hamster on a wheel.
And finally, I think when I married David,
my mom lived with us for three months.
And she got so drunk in front of our kids.
And David said, "She has to go. You have to throw her out."
And it was the hardest thing I ever
had to do, throw out my mother who had no money, nothing.
She didn't have a place to go. She had nothing.
And I'm living in this ----ing townhouse, and--
and my mother's on the street?
[sobbing]
And three months later, you die?
I feel like it's my fault.
[sobbing]
- And I'm living in this ----ing townhouse, and--
and my mother's on the street?
[sobbing]
And three months later, you die?
I feel like it's my fault.
- My love, it's not your fault.
It's a disease.
It's, like, the worst disease there is, actually.
- It really is.
- You had to protect your family too.
- I constantly still feel like it's my fault.
And I thought that maybe when she passed away,
I would be, and I hate to say it, relieved.
But I still wake up and say maybe
she got another chance on life.
I hope she's OK now.
I still can't help but feel like
I'm trying to take care of her.
- Thanks for sharing that.
I mean, it's-- that's heartbreaking.
- Yeah.
Is my makeup OK?
- It actually stayed perfect and intact.
- Since she was in your home with your family,
like, what do you tell your daughter about her?
Or how did you explain that at the time?
- I never explained that she had a problem.
The children knew.
My son would always say, "Grandma's a little weird,"
or, "She's a little cuckoo."
But my mom loved to paint,
and she would paint while Bob Ross was on.
- Oh, I love Bob Ross.
- So I would always just say, "You know, Grandma's an artist.
Artists, you know, they can be a little cuckoo."
[laughter]
And so they would paint with her and do those things.
But they didn't understand that she was drinking.
- Was sick, yeah.
There's other stuff I want to talk to you about.
- OK.
- Like why are you always hungry?
[laughter] - I have a tapeworm.
[laughter]
I don't eat meat, and I also lift weights,
so I do get hungry every two to three hours.
Our filming schedule's sporadic.
And sometimes it just lands on mealtime,
which is every two to three hours.
[laughter]
- You know, it's interesting when we announced the cast,
people reacted negatively... - To an influencer?
- To there being an influencer. What was your reaction to that?
Or do you think influencers get a bad rap?
- I do. I think we do get a really bad rap.
I don't think people really understand that
this very much so is a business.
People just assume that we're running around taking selfies
and charging people for it. - Yes.
- Like, there's so many moving parts.
We have teams. We have have briefs.
We have deliverables.
We pitch concepts just like an advertising agency.
- Oh, really? - Yes.
And, you know, the editing, it does take a long time.
- And I think--I want to say something in defense of it.
Because I think I came from a world where I saw, like,
this whole group of people come up.
And what happens is you don't get "hired" as an influencer.
You can call yourself one,
and so there's a myriad of people who are out there
calling themselves influencers. - Right.
- And they are not, and so I think it muddies the waters.
And people who are actually professional and do this
for a living and are clearly successful
and have a real business,
they get lumped in with somebody who actually
is not an influencer at all. - Right.
- And the other thing I just want to say to Sai is,
you're always working.
- Yeah. - I mean, she does not stop.
We're on vacation, we're at dinner,
and it is not an easy thing to do.
- You've got to have some thick skin.
- Yeah. - Right.
- But, I mean, now everyone on this couch
has to have some thick skin. - Well, yeah, for sure.
Brynn, you joked on the show
that you wanted to steal Sai's perfect life.
- Yeah.
- What about it is perfect to you?
- I like brownstones. I really want one.
And I want a Range Rover and a second house
and two kids that look like they just dropped
out of, like, a Gap ad.
- I love that you make it sound like that.
Like, wow. - No, but it is, though.
- Sai, Aretha from Jupiter, Florida, wants to know
the story of how you and David met.
- [laughs] - What attracted you to him?
- I was not attracted to David when I first met him.
I didn't want to be bothered when I first met him.
- OK. - Shucking.
- It wasn't a first love romantic story.
I met him in Costa Rica at a swim-up bar.
He was actually trying to pick up my girlfriend.
Like, he was just trying to talk to someone.
- OK.
- And you know, we were there, he's talking to her,
I came over and I literally lacked all personality
because I was so hung over. He said hi. I said hi.
He said something super-negative
and insulted because he has horrible jokes
that don't always land, but actually--
- She was in. [snaps fingers]
- I was like-- - You have balls.
- You're rude and snarky and you just offended me?
- It was very snarky and I was like, "Here's my number."
[laughter] - I love it.
I know he sold out his company. What kind of company was it?
- It was a marketing company.
For sports betting. - For sports betting.
- Yeah.
- Must've sold it for a lot if he's retired.
- He's happy. - [chuckles]
Okay.
Benji on Twitter said,
"Sai, you overreact when you're hungry. Relax.
"So, ladies, do you think being hungry
is a valid excuse for not being able to control your emotions?"
- Absolutely. Anyone who has children knows.
- Hangry is a thing.
- "Hangry" is an actual word. - It's a real thing.
- Yes, right.
- Like, you can't function when you're hangry.
I'm like, I'm so sorry to all of you.
I sound so annoying on this show.
I was such a bitch, and I am so sorry.
I was really hungry a lot of the times.
[laughter]
- Should we give you like a feeding tube?
Like, what do we-- - I think I need something.
- All right, well, we'll keep working on that.
Anyone who says blondes have more fun
clearly hasn't met "RHONY's" resident redhead.
But while on the surface Brynn is all fun and flirting,
like any good collector knows,
you can't judge a book by its cover.
- I love this. - Let's watch.
- Don't hit on my dad tonight.
- I'm 100% hitting on your dad tonight.
- Brynn I think was birthed flirting.
The girl can, like, turn on a paper bag.
- Why don't you sell my engagement ring,
and then you can buy this car?
I have been engaged three times.
When Gideon proposed, we were actually broken up.
The worst thing you'll ever have to do
is call your boyfriend and tell him that you're
engaged to someone else.
- Wait, so how was it being raised by your grandma?
- She wasn't perfect, but she did her best,
and her best was good.
When I was a senior in high school, and I get a call.
And my father, who I think maybe
talked to twice in my life, he was dying.
He was in the ICU.
And we had a lovely relationship.
Like, I went up every weekend,
which is why I don't like Thanksgiving that much.
November 12th, he died.
Remember Rudy Huxtable? - Yeah.
That was my hair. Little afro.
I looked like Annie.
And so my poor grandma didn't know how to figure it out.
Because, like, my grandma, she was white.
My mom's mom raised me.
My mom's white, and my dad's Black.
I love that they showed her picture.
So I definitely missed out on having the exposure
to a strong Black community.
Mimi was like, "Honey, you don't go to college
to become a doctor. You go to marry a doctor."
- That's what your grandmother said to you?
- 100%.
Mimi is a massive influence
not just on who I am today, but everything.
So I'm going to endow a tree for Mimi.
- You overcame, baby. It's a built-in family.
We love you.
- Yay.
- I know it was so hard for you to share all this stuff.
- It is hard. Yeah, it's hard.
- Hearing you talking about reconnecting with your dad,
uh, before his death was really powerful.
What else can you tell us about that visit?
- Um, well, I didn't watch it, so I don't know what
I did share or what got included.
Um, it was tough, because it-- like, the craziest thing.
I was on homecoming court.
I get a call that my dad was dying.
But the next day, I was on a train
on an Amtrak up to Ann Arbor.
And he didn't die that day.
He lived for a little bit, but then I decided,
because I'm a lunatic, to go up every weekend
and take care of him.
And maybe it was, like, creepy that I was like so, like,
let's pretend to be father and daughter
for the time that we can.
But I told him everything.
I told them everything I had did,
told him everything I was going to do.
Uh-- - Did he respond?
- Yeah, he said that every day he'd looked in the mirror.
And he would-- said he saw a monster,
that he never forgave himself.
He said he was sorry for everything.
- So this gave you great closure.
- It did.
It was like a ----ing Lifetime movie.
It's like, come on, you know, like--
yeah, it was--it was amazing. It was amazing closure.
Like, I got a really good three months.
And, you know, he had promised he'd take me out to dinner,
but then he didn't get to take me out to dinner,
but that's OK, you know?
- It was great seeing your relationship
with your brother on the show.
- Yeah.
- Um, he really seems to be your sounding board.
- He is, 100%.
- Has he in some ways replaced the role
that Mimi played in your life since her passing?
- I don't think he's replaced.
He's always played his specific role.
When we were little and going through the trial,
he protected me.
He was physically-- he always has protected me.
We've always been so close.
So no one could ever replace her, but he holds his own
and continues to hold his own very special place in my life.
- Got a strong reaction from viewers
after the hair salon scene... - Yeah, I know.
- Where you talked about spending
your Saturdays there... - Yeah.
- Uh, as a young girl.
@MommyAndColor89 on Twitter said,
"How do you embrace being African-American today?"
- Um, if someone asked me what my race is, I say I'm Black.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
I feel it now.
Like, I just feel it.
I grew up in Indiana in an all-white community,
all-white schooling.
And, you know, I looked different from the other kids.
That was when-- that's why we started
going to the hair salon.
Because my hair was, like--
kids would call me Puff the Magic Dragon.
One kid called me the N-word on--
and, like, so that's why then going,
when we started going to Bradley's, it was like--
I didn't know it at the time, but, like,
it was so incredible to sit there.
Because at a Black hair salon, you're there for a long time.
It was literally kind of, like, my only exposure, so...
- Love the story you told in Anguilla about
Mimi's reasons that one goes to college.
- Andy, you would have loved her.
She told me, like, when you go shopping, you really
like a dress by two, you know, because in case something
happens to the other.
- I like that idea. - Yeah.
She said everyone-- every marriage has
a dirty broom stick in its closet.
And you know, like a little something,
like someone did a little something.
And, uh, you can never be too rich or too thin.
- That's true.
- Sai, before everything went south between you and Brynn,
at the finale, you said there was a bond between you
that's not easy to explain.
What did you mean by that? - Between Brynn and I?
- Yeah.
- I understand her upbringing.
My situation is a little bit different from yours,
but I understand the hurt. - Yeah.
But that's why I was so upset.
Because it's like I feel like you--and I look up to you.
And I feel like you--we had that.
And so it's like, why would you let--
like, throw it all away over, you know,
the Eastern seaboard? Like--
- I just am one of those people who get very angry
and don't want to talk. - Oh, are you?
Oh, we didn't notice that.
- Just did it to Erin.
- But maybe don't do that.
- Look, I am well aware.
I've never done therapy until today.
Thank you, Andy. [laughter]
I have zero patience for grown adults.
I get so frustrated.
I just cut it. - I understand.
- And I won't talk. I won't speak.
- Yeah. - Sorry.
- Brynn, we must talk about Gideon
and the palpable chemistry between you two.
Is there one particular reason he's not the one?
Coming up...
- You put people in the hospital?
I put people in the funeral home.
- Ooh. - You know what I do?
I ----ing bury them.
- I'm half-Black, and I'm half-Irish.
You don't want to (BLEEP) with me.
- I'm ----ing Somali; I will Black hand
back your ass right now.
- We must talk about Gideon
and the palpable chemistry between you two.
Is there one particular reason he's not the one?
- So here's the thing.
Everyone makes fun of me about the engagements.
And the thing is that all three of them
proposed to me when we were broken up.
My thing is, is, like, why do you
have to lose me in order to know
that you want to be with me?
- There's something romantic about that.
- But, no, I don't know.
I don't know why. Everyone always asks me this.
I don't know. I don't know.
He's an amazing man. He truly is an amazing man.
It just feels now like a little bit more,
like, a hot cousin than-- - What?
- OK, well, that's-- [laughter]
- And that's like, many times removed.
- Yeah, right.
- I hope it's not a first.
- Yeah, yeah. - I hope not.
- Second cousins.
- Are you friends with benefits?
- No. - Oh.
- No. No, it's been a while there.
- Little pee-pee touch? - No. [laughs]
I will say one thing, though.
If there's one-- there is definitely
no problems with that area.
How he is, like, his penis is very proper.
Like, it has like a little ascot on it.
- His penis is proper?
- Yeah, it's like you know how most penises aren't like--
you know, penises, I love penises,
but it's like, you know, they're like not all--
- It's, like, well-groomed. - They look--it's like--
- I know what you mean, actually.
- It's like-- - It's like, hello.
- It looks, like, Photoshopped.
It's like, oh, hello. Fancy meeting you here.
- We know all about Gideon and his penis now.
But who are your other two former fiancés?
- Uh, I am not gonna name those.
- OK.
Have they weighed in on the show?
- One has weighed in.
They're both happily married and both have one kid.
The second one actually invited me to his wedding.
I'm now best friends with his wife.
- Wow.
- The first one, we're on not-speaking terms.
- What was the closest you came to walking down the aisle?
- With Gideon. - With Gideon.
- Gideon actually tried on the dresses,
started looking at venues, sent the email to the bridesmaids
saying, like, "Congratulations, you're one of my bridesmaids."
Blah, blah, blah. Like--
- Brynn, Simone on twitter wants to know
if you're still using the accidentally-show-your-nudes
method of catching a man's attention?
[laughter]
It doesn't seem to me like
you would need to accidentally show a guy--
- Definitely not. - She's just being funny.
- No, I don't and I just like-- I know.
And I just like to--
I just want to have, like, fun with it.
I think I've just done it,
honestly, just for, like, attention or something.
I'm an idiot.
- Megan from LA wants to know which Knicks player you dated.
- Oh, no. I'm not saying that. No. Uh-uh.
- OK. - These questions are really--
- Have you dated any other sportsmen?
- Yes. - That we know?
- I've dated a New York Giant. - A New York Giant?
- Yeah. - Wow.
- Yeah. - In more ways than one.
- I know. - Shut up.
- Oh, really?
Jenna, Naomi from Carmel, Indiana,
wants to know... - Aw.
- If you ever felt like Brynn was being serious
when she flirted with you.
She didn't really hit on any of the other ladies.
- I--I did not.
I don't--I think Brynn's very straight.
- Right.
- It doesn't mean I'm not interested.
- Why would you say that? - I just don't--
- Have ever swum in the lady pond?
- I've made out with chicks. - OK.
- Yeah. - All right.
- I know your type. [laughter]
- There's been a lot of confusion,
uh, online about your career path.
- Yeah.
- Please explain to the people what you do.
- Yes. Um, I'm a communications consultant,
so social media marketing, advertising, branding.
Um, I make basically the business plans and programs
that people use in order to market their products.
- Have you worked at all with Ubah on Ubah Hot?
- I've given her a million ideas.
I've tried.
- She's so--but I took some of your ideas.
- Yeah, yeah.
- She's very brilliant.
And, like, she can do a business plan
literally in 30 minutes. - Yeah.
When I got hired to do this job,
I just left being the head of communications
for a tech startup that got acquired.
So, like, I don't need to prove anything to anyone.
- Brynn, you insisted at the wreath making
that you did not use the D word.
[laughter] - Yeah.
- So now when you saw the footage--
- [laughs] I was--it was like, I was mortified.
The divorce. Divorce.
Trial separation.
- I think that--it was just that word.
That word is a sensitive word for me.
Like, it just is.
And I think at my anniversary party,
I didn't want to hear jokes about me getting divorced.
I think that was it.
- Owen on Twitter says, "Erin's 35? She's giving late 40s."
- [gasps]
- In reaction to you not knowing what WAP stood for.
- I know.
- Brynn, even though she's the youngest,
is Erin the most uptight in the group?
- Yes.
I think so. Well, it goes back and forth, though.
Because you have this side of you that's like when you're
in the Hamptons in the summer
and you're chill and you're, like, the jeans and the chill--
- It's so funny. I don't think any of, like, my--
I don't know, my home friends would call me uptight,
but I guess I can be uptight.
- You can be uptight. - Yeah.
- It may be only about, like, certain topics
such as, like, a rap song.
- And I--yeah, I mean, guys, it's whatever. Sorry.
- Monisha from Biloxi, Mississippi, wants to know
why you're so grossed out by the word WAP.
Does that mean you have a DAP?
- Oh. [laughter]
- What does that mean? I don't know what it means.
- Well, what do you-- - Dry.
- Dry-ass p----?
I mean, do you watch the show
and all the sex talk with my husband?
I don't think I have a dry-ass p----.
- I think you're just confused.
I think it was the wetness on the ass.
- I was just ----ing around.
- That was you, like, I don't want a wet ass.
- You don't want a wet ass?
- I didn't know what it was, but, like, it was funny.
Like, we just kept talking about it.
- So Erin and Brynn, all friendships
have their ups and downs, but why is yours so hot and cold?
- [laughs] - I don't know.
I think we're actually a lot alike in some ways.
- We just (BLEEP) around with each other.
I don't know how to explain it. - Yeah.
- It's like I trust that even if we mess around
with each other, we're still going to have that,
like, underlying mutual respect that it's not going to get--
why are you rolling your eyes?
- Because both of you guys are fake, that's why.
- Why does that make it fake?
- No, because it's not a real friendship.
- But just because you're saying that--
- And you're not similar, because you,
when you talk sh-- and you bring news here like a pigeon,
at least you admit you did it.
She doesn't. So you're not similar at all.
- We're not fake.
If I say that I like her, if I say how it is,
then that's how it is. You don't need to pipe your--
- Is there any place I can puke around here?
- [chuckles]
- I mean, it's just, like, not nice.
Like, we--like, why can't we have a friendship
that we respect each other with?
- It makes me sick. - Why?
- It just makes me-- - It makes you sick?
- Yeah, it does. - Their friendship?
- It does. - Did you find your bucket yet?
- No, it just makes me sick.
- You can ask for a bucket now. - Wow.
Because you think it's super fake?
- Especially for Erin, the way she talks about Brynn,
it makes me really-- - The way I talk about Brynn?
- Yeah, you-- - Really?
- You're not saying the nicest things about her.
- Listen, when people get mad at each other,
what people do is, sometimes they lash out.
Want me to take ownership? I take ownership.
I'm sorry for saying things when I was angry.
I'm not a perfect person, Ubah.
But sometimes when you get angry, you go off.
We all--
- I go off, but I still think I'm perfect.
- [laughs] - Yeah.
- OK.
- Brynn, you said on "Watch What Happens Live,"
the one thing you learned this season was don't trust Erin.
- I feel like the biggest lesson learned
for all of the country is just don't trust Erin.
- Oh! [laughter]
- Wow.
- Erin then went on a podcast-- - I just proved my case.
- And said she asked you why you said that.
- Why are you being so mean? Like, what is your problem?
- I'm not. I'm just--I want to--
- I can't listen to the question.
- Can you give her an answer today?
- What? Sir, can you repeat that?
- Why did you say "don't trust Erin"
is the one thing you learned?
- I said don't Erin. I saw episode one
and the fact that she just kept calling me a liar.
And so watching it back and then remembering
how you were like, "You're a liar, you're a liar."
- No, you actually have diarrhea of the mouth.
Because I had a cheese platter
and you decided to tell her a stupid, silly story.
- Oh, yeah. That was a ----ing asshole move.
- What was the asshole move? Serving cheese?
- No, what you said about me. - But I didn't say that.
It wasn't true. She was lying.
- But I was, dude, I didn't lie.
Did I run over and, like, snitch?
For sure. But I didn't lie.
So that's why I said don't trust Erin,
because you did tell me something--
- I don't remember saying exactly those words,
but I do remember repeating that story.
- I do remember. - OK.
Samantha from Biloxi, Mississippi, said,
"Erin's feelings seem to get so easily hurt.
"Do you think Erin is only sensitive and considerate
when it comes to her own feelings?"
- Yes. - Only?
- I care about-- - Wait, only?
- Yeah. - No, no, not only, but--
- I care about all of your guys' feelings.
I am a little sensitive, OK? I'm a Cancer.
I can't help it. - She does care about everyone.
- But I care about all of you very, very much.
And the insinuation that I don't will make me cry.
- She's very considerate. - Yeah, you are.
- And I (BLEEP) up, guys. I'm not perfect.
I (BLEEP) up. And I'm sorry if I hurt anyone.
Because that's the last thing I would want to do
is hurt anybody.
- Erin and Brynn, what is the status of your relationship
now, your friendship now?
- Butt buddies.
- I ----ing love Brynn. - [laughs]
- I never want to get into it with you again.
- And we have matching necklaces.
We broke them apart.
- I think Abe should convert to Islam and marry both of them.
- [scoffs] - Oh, wow.
- [laughs] Oh, my God. - That would be amazing.
- Brynn, are you taking your boob out?
- We started talking about Abe, Islam, sister wives.
- She's like, OK. [laughter]
- Hot. - Oh, my God.
- Skin. - The pilgrim is coming undone.
Wow.
Well, when you visit the tropics,
the weather can turn at a moment's notice,
and apparently so can Ubah.
Let's watch.
- [shouting]
[quirky dramatic music]
I cannot wait to get Ubah back.
- [shouts] - [cheers]
- That is my bitch. - Oh, my God!
- This doesn't count, by the way.
I didn't push her in. I have another prank going.
I am so pissed.
You know Erin had my phone and didn't want to give it to me?
Do you know I have a family that I need to tell them
that I'm OK? - But I was kidding.
It was a joke.
Oh, she's going to be so, like--
- She does not find it funny.
- Instead of getting so mad,
talk to me like a normal friend.
- Don't tell me what to do.
She's ----ing abusing.
You're like a ping pong with her.
I'm not taking one thing back.
- Once you make Ubah hot,
there's really no turning her off.
- I hope you all have a wonderful lunch.
I'm going back.
The way she treated me today,
I never in my life was treated like that.
- You actually have a valid point,
but when you yell, you then lose.
- I am so done with this narrative,
Black women are angry.
We are passionate and we don't take your sh--
and we're not fake.
She's just that person who called people--
- Shut up! - No!
- Shut your ----ing mouth. - It's the truth.
It's the truth. - You're such a bitch.
- No, no, you are a bitch. - What do you want from me?
I didn't ----ing--like, I took your phone as a joke.
You're trying to get everyone against me.
- Come on, come on, come on. - Guys, stop it.
- This is, like, too much. What are you doing to me?
- I never stopped loving Erin, and I will always love Erin,
but you've got to hold yourself accountable.
- You said a lot of things about me today.
- The lying thing is bullsh--.
The you talk sh--about people is not bullsh--.
- OK, fine, I talk sh--.
- I-- yeah, there you go.
- I'm saying Jessel's annoying.
I'm saying Brynn's a social climber.
These are all facts.
- Yeah. - Like for real?
- I hope so.
I will never play a prank on this girl ever again.
- Ahh! - [laughs]
- All right, so with all due respect,
your phone was gone for 45 minutes.
- It wasn't 45 minutes. - Oh, it wasn't?
It was longer? - Yes.
- It was-- it was longer than 45 minutes.
- But not four hours.
- It wasn't 45 minutes. [overlapping chatter]
- They were filming and then they wrapped.
- The bottom line is it wasn't 45 minutes.
- OK, it was a few hours? - Yes.
- So does anyone in the group think that Ubah overreacted?
- I do not.
I think-- - She was angry.
- Wait, wait.
- You told me to get on the next flight.
- No, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna talk.
[dramatic music]
- Wait, wait.
- You told me to get on the next flight.
- No, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna talk.
[dramatic music]
My job, we travel a lot. - Yeah.
- And most of the time, in the places where
there is no phone service
and my family is a different time zone.
So they got tired of worrying about me.
- Yeah.
- And they said, "Do us a favor,
"travel around the world, do whatever you want to do.
"In the morning, participate in a group chat.
In the evening, participate in a group chat so we know."
- So we know. - That's it.
Also, I have a business.
- I think that Ubah's story, like, her experience,
none of us knew that.
It makes total sense.
You can be totally angry.
I just think that without context of that,
it just felt really over the top
and considering what had happened.
- Jenna, I just want to make it very clear to you,
I did not react.
Ask her. I cried in a room with her.
I said, "How can she do that, I mean, her good friend?
Then I went to sleep.
I woke up in the morning--
- And she said to me, "Let me calm down"--
- "And I will talk to her this evening."
- "And I will talk to her in, like, in the afternoon"--
- OK. - Or when she's--
- When I calm down. - Can I respond?
- No. I--I--
- OK. - I need to finish this.
- Sure.
- I gave you the grace of not saying anything all morning.
I missed breakfast.
And now you tell me not to mention your ----ing name?
I just want to bury you.
We're waiting for Erin.
- I hear her saying my name.
I don't want you to say my name.
- Take these glasses when you're
talking to me, first of all. - Excuse me?
Do not grab me. You are not allowed to yell me.
- You had my ----ing phone.
- Get away from me. - You had my phone.
- Get away from me.
- You took my possession. I took your possession.
But just because I grab yours, I'm wrong.
Then you said to me, "Come on, I text
Jessel 'I have your phone.'"
- I thought you texted me.
And I was like, did I miss something?
- She was like--
- Like, I was, like, freaking out.
- "Ubah, I swear, she didn't text, let me look at my phone."
I was like, there's no way she texted Jessel.
I said, "Why don't you show me that text message?
"Show me the text message where you text Jessel,
'I have your phone.'"
- Did you find the text? - She could not find the text.
- OK, and you never found it either?
- It didn't exist.
- This is what I sent.
And it was obvious that I had it.
- So many emojis.
- The devil emoji, meaning I have it.
- OK, Erin, you didn't--you didn't admit that you had it.
You never admitted it.
- She--obviously, she got it, because she came upstairs.
- I know. No, because I said something.
- She-- - Oh, my God, oh, my God.
- You didn't admit it.
She's saying that you didn't admit it.
- So it didn't say "I have your phone?"
- It did not exist.
- It didn't say "I have your phone."
- It was just an emoji?
- So she said, "Does anyone have Ubah's phone?"
And I went-- - Oh, OK.
It was inferred, inferenced.
- After that, they came and got it.
- Just to clarify, when you told Ubah,
"I texted Jessel; I have the phone,"
you were incorrect, just if we're really parsing it down?
- If we're going to parse it down, yes.
- That sent me... - It came from Jessel.
- To another level. Because she's lying.
- It was a leap. She implied that she had it.
Some people might get it. Some people might not get it.
It's a lot of semantics, I have to say.
- Yeah.
Apparently, I don't say things the right way--
- It was just a mis-- - --often.
- It was a misunderstanding. - Yes.
- But in that moment-- - It was a misunderstanding.
- --we were anticipating-- - And I'm sorry.
- --that I had a text. - And that's it.
That's--for me, I felt like you were gaslighting me.
And you are trying to throw Jess under the bus.
- No, not at all.
- That's how I felt. I'm just telling you how I felt.
- So let me ask you this.
If she had sent an emoji with her holding her hand up,
would you have gotten that?
- I still would not get it. - OK.
I would have.
- Some people speak emoji, I think.
- OK. - I don't.
- How did this-- - I know that now.
- Why did this upset you so much?
- Because she gaslight everyone the whole time.
It's the truth; it's the truth.
- Why don't we stick with me and you in this situation?
- But I'm just saying.
So I have that background in my mind,
and I'm thinking this is my turn.
- When I realized that were upset when you texted,
I should have came downstairs and brought you your phone.
That's what I should have done. - Yes.
- And I am sorry for not doing that.
I wasn't thinking clearly.
I was a little tips. There was zero malintent, zero.
But I'm just telling you from my perspective
now, the ganging up, that--
- Nobody ganged up on you.
- No, you were riling--
- They have their own mind.
- Sai, you said it was an ambush.
- Come on. - What do you think?
- It was totally.
- It was an ambush on Erin in the hot tub.
I thought it was a hot tub from hell.
- It was the hot tub from hell. - It was--
- I actually felt bad for Erin.
I did think it was a little bit harsh.
- It was really rough. It was really rough.
- It was a hell of a hot tub.
- A lot of people online were shocked to hear you say
your fight with Ubah was the worst conflict
you've had in your life.
- Well, I'm sorry that that hurt you, Ubah, I really am.
I see that it hurts you.
I think it was just that I care about you
so much so it felt like a really bad conflict for me.
I just wasn't expecting it.
And because I think it came from such an innocent place,
even though you think there really--
I hope you understand, like-- - No, I understand.
- I was just ----ing around. - Yeah.
- Ubah, would it have made a difference if Erin had
apologized to you right away?
- Just to say that you had my phone.
I told--"I told Jessel," why didn't you
say "I told the group-- a group message"?
- I mean, we've kind of been through--
- I feel like I'm in crazy town right now.
Like, for (BLEEP) sake.
There's also--it's just called, like, Find My iPhone.
- He asked me a question.
- It's called share location, Find My iPhone.
- You want to know why
I couldn't find ----ing my iPhone?
Because I don't ----ing have a--
- Back up. You don't want to go with me.
I'm the only one here that's not afraid of you.
- No, no, no, no, no. Honey, let me--
- As a another single girl, I share my location
with my brother and my sister. - I don't care.
Don't teach me how to deal with my family.
- I'm not teaching you. It's the Genius Bar.
- I am supposed-- - It's Apple's basic software.
- You can share your location.
You might be dead, and your phone is on.
You may be dead, and your phone is on.
Share your location, it doesn't do sh--.
- And by the way-- - What, they're going
to fly to Vancouver to find me in Anguilla
because they didn't hear from me?
- A. Duke on Twitter said the other women
must stop telling Ubah... - Make it make sense.
- How to express herself.
She is African, and we are passionate people.
Ubah and Sai, in Anguilla, you both spoke about the
angry Black woman stereotype.
How do you navigate this when you encounter it?
- I think I'll leave that to Ubah.
Because I feel like you're-- - I don't get angry.
Ask these people.
I live in New York or D.C., I don't get angry.
And anyone who gets my anger deserve it.
- Jenna, you spoke on the show about
getting a taste of Ubah Hot early on in the season
when she came to your house unaware there were cameras.
- Hi, babe. - Where'd you come from?
- So your assistant text me, but she didn't
say it's gonna be filmed. - I am so sorry.
- It's fine. I just don't want to be caught surprised.
- Of course not. No, no, no, no.
- If someone is inviting me somewhere,
you need to tell me if there's a camera.
- Totally, I think-- - That's it.
- Jenna, I was very disappointed
to hear what you said. Ubah doesn't have side.
- The taste of Ubah Hot was--
- Honey, this is men-caused. Men-caused.
- The taste was a reference to your sauce.
It was like me trying to be cute about the sauce.
- No, you said, "I had a taste"--
- "Of Ubah Hot." - No, no.
Because the way I came to your house--
- I just watched it last night.
I would never try to dupe you and have you--
- I didn't think you did.
Don't confuse being angry and be assertive.
- That's not assertive. - It wasn't.
No, I wasn't. - Ubah, you walk in--
- Listen, Amore.
Maybe you don't know how to be loved
or how to stand up for yourself.
- Watch your ----ing mouth. - No, no, no,
we're two different people. - Watch your mouth.
I'm not afraid of you. Everybody's afraid of you.
I'm not ----ing afraid of you.
You put people in the hospital?
So don't (BLEEP) with me. - Ooh.
- You know what I do? I bury them. I bury them.
- I'm half-Black and half-Irish.
You don't want to (BLEEP) with me.
- Half-Irish. I'm ----ing Somali.
I will Black half back your ass right now.
[dramatic music]
- It's not about your-- - You put people
in the hospital; I put people in the funeral home.
So don't (BLEEP) with me. - Ooh.
I bury them. I bury them.
- I'm half-Black and I'm half-Irish.
You don't want to (BLEEP) with me.
- Half-Irish. I'm ----ing Somali.
I will Black half back your ass right now.
- OK.
- Don't interfere with my conversation.
You said-- - It's been going--
it's not a conversation. It's a--
- Shut up!
I saw a side of Ubah.
There is no side. - What side is this one?
- There's no side. You guys know.
I told you from the beginning, I go zero to 100 really quick.
When I'm mad, I'm mad. - OK.
- Didn't I say that?
- You did. - OK.
- Can I get a glass of water?
- So then maybe she's saying she saw you mad.
- No, no, she said a side. - OK.
- It's a figure of speech. - It's a figure of speech.
And I'm sorry if it offended you.
- Listen, listen, listen. - Don't get like this.
- Maybe this is different in Africa and how you guys speak.
- It's not about Africa. - When you said--
can you please? Please, please?
- I mean, it's like-- - I had this--
- Now we're bringing, like, continents into this.
You got mad about a phone and you lost--
- Today I'm making this clear, OK?
A side, a side is someone who pretend,
oh, she never get mad.
She's Mother Teresa. Today she blew up.
- I did--I was completely taken off guard.
And I'm sorry if it offended you.
I did not mean to say--
- We were working on scheduling.
- I'm--I literally had no intention of offending you.
I'm so sorry if it offended you.
That was not my intention. I was just caught off guard.
And I--I would never do anything
to dupe you or put you in a situation where you weren't--
- Also, I was hurt... - I would never--
- At someone who I look up to.
- I would never do that. - No, no, wait.
Someone who I look up to,
for you to sit in that chair and said, "I'm Team Erin."
- Don't give it too much energy.
If someone, like, yelled at me,
standing over me and ripping my sunglasses off my head,
I would be upset.
And I can see Erin's visibly upset.
And Ubah, she's relentless.
She won't let up.
So, yeah, I'm Team Erin in this moment.
- I'm not saying to be Team Ubah.
You've got to be recruited to be Team Ubah.
- Ubah, please--
- You just don't choose to be a team.
- Please understand, though, I didn't see--
I couldn't see everything, and you're right.
- Then why would you say that?
- In the moment, when they were referencing,
what I said is I was Team Erin in that moment,
because I could tell that she was really
distressed and feeling alone.
And I was just trying to give her a hand.
Because I could see that she was--
- You know I wanted to cry when I was fighting with her?
Because she's the closest one in this group with me.
- I can understand that.
- You know I knew that I'm gonna lose her?
And none of you guys stood up for me.
None of you.
And I stood up... - Really?
- For each and every one of you.
- I did in all my-- OK, Ubah.
- When they were throwing sh-- about your thing.
I told them that you are wrong about them.
You, you went to the party. I said you were wrong.
You should ----ing order pizza instead.
- OK, breathe. Breathe, breathe, breathe.
- You, you're bad for your husband. Be nice to Pavit!
- Let us tell you. - Let's be nice.
- Let us tell you now. Let us tell you now.
We could have gone and we could have, like, left you.
- I am so tired of just being kind and nice to people
and nobody have my back.
- We have your back. - (BLEEP) all of you.
- We have your back. - Come.
I can't watch you like this.
- And it was worse what she took, right?
It was worse what she took. - I'm sorry.
- She took your phone. That has private information.
- It's OK. - I shouldn't have taken it.
- I don't want to fight with you.
- And I shouldn't have sent that stupid text.
I don't want to fight with you either.
Like, really, I don't. - Then stop fighting
if you don't want to fight. - It's very upsetting.
She had to get this, I think this part out.
- You don't have to fight with us.
We do love you. - I have to work on my,
um, delivery, because apparently
I misconstrue things a lot.
- We have your back, Ubah. - We do have your back.
- (BLEEP) her. She sucks. You're a bitch.
We all hate you.
- What a reunion.
- This is a very nice reverse Oreo.
- It was a great--
[laughter] - I like that.
- I like-- - You should--
- My favorite cookie. - I like--
- Oh, my God. - My favorite kind of cookie.
- I like anything reverse. - Yes.
- [laughs] - We'll talk after.
- OK. - Um--
- All right, you two, let's-- let's get back to work.
Get back on your side. Get in the middle.
- It's not--
- I feel like you really needed to get that off your chest.
And I think that what happened when you saw the show
was that you got reactivated.
This is a common occurrence within circles
of people on the "Housewives."
Ubah and Erin, I hope you come out of this well
regarding what happened in Anguilla.
The challenge will be reliving this on the show,
which is going to bring up wounds.
- It's hard.
- And y'all need to figure out a way
to let today be the final word on a lot of this stuff.
- Yeah.
- I'm just curious, do you two feel complete, Erin and Ubah,
on this topic?
- I had moved on from this... - Answer to Andy's question.
- Like, while we were filming.
- Oh, I was OK, Andy. We had fun this summer.
We hung out. - Yeah.
- We went out. - We had a great time.
- I took her in a subway to go downtown.
- She took me on the subway.
- Such a beautiful ride.
- You two are--you two are--you two are complete?
- Yeah. - Subway.
- But can I ask you why you took it--
why all the things that you're saying now,
which I understand, why you're taking it out on me?
Because we were good.
- Your confession.
- My confessionals?
- "This is the worst fight of my life."
- So, but you can admit that you're being
dramatic in the confessional.
- Yeah, I was.
I was being dramatic in a confessional.
It's not the worst fight I've ever had.
I just think it was one of the bad ones for me,
because I adore you.
- I wish you'd said that.
- Jenna and Ubah, you two complete?
- I would love to sit down with you and give you a hug.
- I look up to you. I adore you.
You should have your own movie. Like, people--
- But, Ubah, I just want you to know--
[laughter] I want you to know that--
- What's happening?
- I just want to say this to you, like,
if I had any idea of how--
how much pain you were feeling and how
much, I would never say--
like, it felt--it felt much lighter than it obviously is.
And I'm so sorry. - It's OK. It's OK.
I understand. - OK.
I know that there's something that Ubah
said earlier that was--
- Oh, I was just confused.
You said that nobody wanted me on the show.
- I think-- - It just got--
- They should focus how you guys
didn't want Jenna in the show.
- What? - Who?
- The three of you.
- I didn't want Jenna on the show?
- What? - Yes.
- What are you talking about, Ubah?
- What are you talking about?
- So she is referring to when we were at Erin's house.
It was Ubah and Jessel before we started filming.
- Right.
- Us three, I believe, said, "Ah, I don't think she's
going to fit into the group." - Correct.
- Which I did.
I stood--I stood by that at that time.
I didn't think you were going to fit in the group.
I thought you were a wild card. And you are a wild card.
I mean, everybody said it. - Everybody said it.
- The whole internet.
- It's not not wanting her in the cast.
- It's not that we didn't want you.
- It wasn't--it was just a--again--
- It's an assumption. - Assumption.
Like-- - We didn't know you.
- --we learned our lesson.
- We didn't know how you would fit in.
- OK, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Then I shouldn't--I shouldn't bring it back.
Guys, I have to (BLEEP) up once.
- It wasn't anything. - OK.
- But there was certainly no, like--
- It wasn't that we disliked you or anything.
- Yeah, because you're like a professional, normal person,
and we're all nuts. - [laughs]
- Yes, exactly. - That's why.
- All right, you feel complete with that?
- Yeah, thank you. Thank you.
- Yes?
Because that hurt your feelings?
- Well, I think it goes back to, like,
people making assumptions about you before they know you,
and that is so hard.
Because it's so hard to combat them.
Because you're kind of starting from behind,
as opposed to walking into a situation,
like, on an even playing field.
And so, um, yeah, like, I felt it.
- Well, that's it.
That's all the elephant we have.
- OK, good. - Yeah.
- All right, you feel good? - Very good.
- You feel like you took a big poop?
- [laughs] - No, no, no.
I feel like I just had like the banana
that is, like, well-done.
- OK, good. All right, let's take a break.
We'll be back for our final moments
- She wants alcohol too.
- Ooh, this is a crazy straw.
- Can I drink this now?
- Oh, that's very good.
- Ladies, what a truly brilliant season.
I am so proud of you all. - Aw.
- I'm so happy, uh, you did it.
- Relieved? [laughter]
- Very relieved. [laughter]
Uh, I'm sure Jenna has an event to get to.
[laughter]
But before we go, uh, I do have one last thing,
and that is, uh, Charlie from Long Island said,
"A lot of housewives past and present
"have called the show a mirror.
"Since this is all of your first seasons,
"I want to know what you saw in the mirror during season 14?
And I want to hear from each of you."
So, um, I want to start with Sai.
- Um...
I mean, I obviously have learned a lot
watching myself and how I listen to others.
I don't really listen.
And I think that I should open not only my ears
but also my heart a little bit more, um,
and be a little bit more empathetic to what
people are going through. - That's great.
- Damn, girl. - Thank you.
- That's super positive. - OK.
- This therapy was really-- it was a breakthrough.
- Yeah. - It was.
- Aw. - Mazel.
- Jenna, what about you?
- Um, I'm still learning how to be, like, a girl's girl.
Like, they're all hanging out, and I--
I don't really hang out.
I can see that I can maybe be in a girls' group after this.
- You know, doing this show is kind of a trust fall.
- Mm-hmm. - You know?
- Totally. - It is.
- That's a great way to put it. - On such a huge level.
Erin, what did you see in the mirror?
- [laughs] I think I could have--
I mean, I guess I took things very personally,
so I'm going to stop doing that and lighten up a bit
and be a pet parrot a few more times.
I have a big mouth and I talk a lot.
And sometimes I say things that I shouldn't say.
I've learned to stop doing that, um,
maybe not always, but a lot of the time.
So that's what I've learned.
- Jessel? - Um...
Well, I think that for me, it, um--
it has been definitely a moment of reflection
on a lot of things.
Um, I think first of all, my marriage and just, um,
being a little bit more gentle to my husband and really kind
of, you know-- - That's nice.
- Aw.
- No, I--you know, I think it's when you're married
for so long, you sort of get into this, like, comfortable,
like, you know, atmosphere.
And I think that for us, like, it has been a little bit
of a waking up call.
So, um, yeah, just be nice to him.
- Brynn?
- I enjoyed watching myself. [laughter]
I did. I enjoyed seeing it.
And I hope that Mimi got to see it too.
- Aw. - Ubah?
- I did learn that maybe
I should warn people before I turn to Ubah Hot.
- Mm. - Mm, progress.
- Yeah. And also, I have learned, like Brynn said,
when you're really very hot, sometimes people,
like, they can hear it.
Right? So I've learned maybe--
- The best branding I've ever seen.
- Yeah, honestly.
- And also, honestly, I think I'm really--
I really, really love you guys.
- Aw. - And I hope--
I think each and every one of you guys know that.
- We do. - Let's do this, guys.
Let's just--let's kill it. Let's just--
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- All right, well, that does call for a toast.
We brought some of Elvis' famous rum punches
for everyone, virgins... - Oh, it's Elvis?
- Oh, Elvis.
- For Ubah and Jenna, of course.
And don't worry, Jessel. We didn't forget you this time.
[laughter]
Let's stand up and just have a little toast.
- Aw.
- Um, this is the most Kleenex we've ever gone through...
- Really? - At a reunion.
- Wow. - I didn't refill my Kleenex.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- Yes, never so many tears, so thank you.
That means you all showed yourselves,
and I really appreciate it. - Thanks.
- Who wants to lead us in a toast?
- To a great, great season.
- Absolutely. You guys killed it.
- Yay. - Whoo!
- And thank you. Thank you for the opportunity.
- To the "Real Housewives of New York City."
How about that? [all cheering]
Cheers. - How do you do it, Brynn?
- [trills tongue] Come here.
I'll show you. - I can't do it.
- You have to get really close. Yes, ooh.
- Ooh. - Yeah!
[laughter]
I want to thank all of you
for sharing so much of yourselves this season.
Can't wait to see what the future holds.
- Cheers to that. - Cheers.
- Thanks. - Cheers.
Cheers, everybody. - Cheers.