E on keeping up with the kardashians
The final curtain...
Kim: If I was mature,
I would have wanted the annulment, too.
I wish I was only married once.
My love for makeup started
With my insecurity with my lips.
One of my first kisses, and a guy said to me, "oh, my god.
You have such small lips."
-Oh. -Aw. -From then on,
I felt... Unkissable.
Andy: Do you think you would have
Split up from your ex were it not for the transition?
I think so.
Have you forgiven caitlyn for how she treated you
After the divorce?
I think so. I think if I didn't,
Or I don't work through those feelings,
It's just gonna hurt me
More than... Than it would have hurt caitlyn.
Kendall and kylie, I have to imagine that going through
Something so dramatic just without cameras
Would be very confusing and emotional,
But what was it like going through it
-In the public eye? -Kylie: I want nothing more
Than my dad to live out her true self, genuinely,
But, I mean, it's-it's a transition, I think.
We were, you know, a little younger, and...
-We were mourning that... -It is a bit of a loss, too.
-Yeah. Person. -You know, I have such... I still
Have such a good relationship with my dad-- I love my dad--
But growing up, we were super close with my dad, so,
To mourn that person
Was... Hard.
Kendall: We were big daddy's girls, so
Coming out of that, and kind of...
That transition was definitely hard for a moment, but...
Kylie: Just to say, like, "hey, I'm still here.
"I'm still the same soul,
But I don't want to be that person anymore,"
-Was, I think, what was hard to understand. -Kendall: Yeah.
But now that it's happened, and we're here, you know,
I think it was a lot easier than I thought it was gonna be.
Yeah, and like she said, I think we both just wanted
-And want her to be happy. -Andy: Right.
Kris, I have to as... I mean, as a wife, it's challenging,
As a mom, it's challenging, and then...
All of this.
How did you get through that period of your life?
When you have kids and-and, you know,
These girls being so young, and you don't want to
Share your feelings with everybody
Because you're so confused, so, you know,
You just go take a shower and cry in the shower
And have a martini, and you know, start over the next day.
So... But I learned a lot along the way.
I think I was so nalve and uneducated in...
In this whole, you know, area, and
I realized that I was not considering
What caitlyn was really feeling at the time,
Which was that she wanted to be who she is now
Since the time she was four years old.
And that w... Just wasn't communicated to me.
So at the end of the day, all you can ever want
For somebody, like everyone has said here today,
Is just to find their true happiness, you know?
What terms are you on today?
You know, we're okay. When I...
When I see caitlyn, or talk to caitlyn,
It's nice and friendly.
And, um, just recently, caitlyn asked me for some advice...
-Andy: Right. -...And I was happy to get on the phone
And share some thoughts, and we actually
Talk to caitlyn's friend, sophia, all the time.
I'm in contact with her by text or phone.
-Andy: Wow. -Or she asks me for advice or...
So I think things are really good, and I think
That I try to keep it that way for my kids.
I think it's really healthy.
You know, it's part of the healing process to try to
Let the relationship build itself back.
Well, you all set a great example
Of how a family can come together
And-and support someone and support you.
And, um, it would... It's really inspiring to watch.
Well, we could-- I don't think we could do it
Without each other.
Andy: All right, I want to move on.
Kourtney, your work ethic has been a constant source
-Of conflict between your sisters. -It has.
They've questioned you about what your passion is repeatedly.
Uh, what is your passion?
I think my passion...
I think it's not, like, selling product,
But I think the lifestyle that I live
Is something that I am passionate about,
And I feel like sharing that with people.
And I'm so grateful that, like,
I get to work with my friends and...
You know, even I've had, like, opportunities
To work with my sisters on it, and it's just...
I don't know. Like, I feel in a happy place with my work.
Right. So your passion has changed?
-Yeah. -Were you unduly hard on her about this?
I think so, honestly.
I think that, um... I really think that...
Well, it was almost like a competition, you know,
-No. -...Between, like, the race.
Like, who's gonna do what, and what's your thing,
-And what's... -I just think that...
Khloe: I don't necessarily find the competition aspect
-To be true. -Kourtney: No, not the competition
Between the brands, but, like, almost like,
"well, what are you doing? What are you gonna do?"
Khloe: But-- well, I think that's just us encouraging...
Kim: I feel like we motivate each other
-And encourage each other. -Kourtney: Yeah.
Like, so that we'll always be talking about that,
And I think what we maybe didn't realize
Or should, like, have the, like, woke moment about
Is just that, like, she doesn't have to have
The same, you know, passion or drive for, like,
She said, selling product or the things that we're into,
Where we would encourage each other, 'cause that's what we do.
Kim, do you still stand by your statement
That kourtney, kendall and kylie don't have the same work ethic
-As you? -I said that about everyone?
-Andy: You did. -(khloe laughs)
Oh, you need to take that one back.
Yeah. No, I don't stand behind that, and I think that
Where I have grown is that it wouldn't matter
What level of work ethic any of them would be at, regardless,
'cause it's their life.
But, like, I don't... I don't... I probably don't
Stand by half the (bleep) that I said a long time ago.
Andy: Kourtney, you often say
Your main job and your main focus is parenting.
Do you think your siblings learned how to parent from you?
I don't know. Khloe and I do things pretty differently.
-(laughs) -my kids--
If they're having a hard day,
I'll let them not go to school and stay...
Have a day with me. Like, I'm just...
-Wow. -I'm a little bit more...
-Lenient. -Lenient, um, yeah.
Kim and khloe, does kourtney use the parent card as an excuse?
Like, to get out of work and stuff?
Yeah, but how she, like...
Her kids are number one for her,
So, if her kids are having a hard day, she'll just say,
You know, "I'm gonna spend the day with the kids."
So I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing.
But that's what kids are for,
-Is to use them as excuses. -Kourtney: Mm-hmm.
To lay in bed all day and watch movies
With them if they're having a hard time.
Andy: Okay, moving on.
We couldn't book art vandelay, but we got someone even better,
So I'm gonna go ahead and let the lord be with you
By welcoming the prank master himself, scott disick.
-(applause and cheering) -where is he? Oh, he's upstairs.
-Khloe: Welcome! -I was taking a nap.
-Sorry, guys. -Andy: Excellent.
-Hi. Good to see you. -Great to see you.
-Good to see you. -How are you?
-Come on in. -Hi, honey.
-No cane, no eye patch? -Scott: Girl.
-In the back. -Scott, did you have a favorite prank
That you played on the show?
Yeah, I think all of them against kris were good.
Andy: Yeah. Kris, did you have a favorite prank?
Uh, the art vandelay one was epic.
-Khloe: That was a good one. -Over todd kraines?
Scott: Oh, right. Todd kraines was good.
Oh, todd kraines.
This is kraines.
-Kris (on phone): Hello? -It's me, todd kraines.
Kris: Okay.
Scott: Hi.
-There's been so many. Yeah. -Andy: There's been a lot.
The beginning of the series,
You and khloe didn't have the greatest relationship.
-You slapped him, I think. Yeah. -Yes.
And I had to go to anger management over it.
I don't even think he necessarily did anything
As to why I didn't like him.
-No. -I just... I was living
-With kourt and... -There was reasons.
I can't really remember, but yeah. Scott was
-Also young and doing... -I was pretty irresponsible.
-Kourtney: Thought he was a sociopath. -Yeah, I...
-You know. -Scott: Still might be.
Little things, but... I think it just
Shows how much, though, scott and I...
How close we really are, because I treat him
Just like I would my brother.
I can slap him and want to kill him,
But then, I love him and I want the best for him,
And he really is a great guy.
Andy: Hiyarealya said,
"please ask scott what's up with him dating much younger women."
Everybody gets this wrong,
That I look for young girls.
-Andy: Okay. -I don't go out looking for young girls.
-Andy: Okay. -They happen to be attracted to me,
'cause I look young.
-You tell 'em, scott. -That's what I'm telling myself.
Andy: I lot of people felt really connected to you
When you shown your... Showed your vulnerability relating
To your, uh, struggle with sobriety.
How did you feel about sharing that on the show?
(laughing): I mean, it wasn't...
It wasn't anything I could hide, you know what I mean?
So, eventually, I realized
That this obviously is not giving me what I want,
And a lot of the things that hurt me in my life were from
Drinking and these things that I can't really take back.
But, you know, now I'm just trying
To be the best guy I can be and a good dad
And things like that and make up for lost time.
But I do regret the person
That I was for a long time to kourtney and
Just everybody. I wasn't the best guy.
You mention this season
That the kids have started asking to see the show.
Are you struggles with substance abuse something
That you're afraid to show them? How do you feel about them
Ultimately wind up... Winding up seeing that?
You mention this season that the kids have started
Asking to see the show.
Are you struggles with substance abuse something
That you're afraid to show them?
How do you feel about them ultimately wind up...
Winding up seeing that?
Scott: I'm gonna explain to them everything.
I've talked to mason a little bit
About things, but not deeply.
I don't think any of them have any idea of, like,
The struggles that I've had, but I plan to tell them
Because I didn't have that growing up.
And I want to make sure they hear everything,
You know, and tell them, like, "you can go this route,
"but I promise you it's not gonna end up anywhere good.
I did it, and you know..."
So I have that to give to them.
Gina from ithaca, new york wants to know
If you think you would have a shot with kourtney if you had
Maintained your sobriety.
Yes.
-Do you? -Yeah, probably.
Andy: Um...
(laughing): Sorry. This is just so deep.
-It is deep. -This is really deep.
-I came out here to get it deep. -Yeah. -Andy: I know.
It's true.
Casey from los angeles wants to know,
"kourtney and scott, super quick.
Have you slept together in the last five years?"
-Kris: Oh, my gosh. -"do you seriously expect everyone
"to believe that after your breakup,
You traveled together all that time without ever hooking up?"
People cannot believe that, but we have not.
For real, you have not?
For real.
-How annoying. -(laughter)
So how would you describe your relationship today?
I feel like we're great friends
And co-parents.
Yeah, I mean, we're family, you know?
-I think we always will be. -Kourtney: Yeah, family.
You dealt with scott's substance abuse issues,
Um, and infidelity.
What was a bigger deal-breaker for you?
I mean, the infidelity was, like...
I only knew about it at the end, and then...
So I think the substance abuse was the...
The deal-breaker.
At the time, do you think
That drinking was leading you into bad behavior?
Yeah. I don't want to make any excuses for my behavior.
I definitely wouldn't have done these things sober.
But it was all wrong, and I just thought
It was normal, to be honest, for some time.
Is a monogamous relationship what you aspire to?
-Yeah. -Andy: Yeah.
Now, but then, I was somewhat young,
And I didn't really know the difference, and...
How old were you when you started filming with us? 23?
-Kylie's age. -Scott: Yeah. Yeah. -Andy: It seems like
You get really upset when kourtney is linked
To other guys.
Me?
-Yeah. -No.
-Andy: No? -Scott: No.
-Andy: Um... -(quietly): Just want to kill them.
-(laughter) -kim: What did he say?
He said, "I just want to kill them."
-Andy: You just want to kill them. -Scott: What?
Andy: Okay. Okay.
Scott: Well, the last guy... Let's all be honest here.
-Nobody was happy with the last one. -Kendall: Nobody.
-Andy: Really? -Kourtney: Yeah. -So... Yeah.
Scott and everyone else didn't like him.
Scott: But I did try to still support...
I was still there to try to help her through.
So, scott, do kourtney and travis have your blessing?
Scott: I mean, yeah. I mean,
You know, I think if you really love somebody, right,
Like, you want them to be happy no matter what, so,
I do give her a blessing to be happy.
-Thank you. -Do you give your blessing
-To scott and amelia? -Kourtney: Yeah.
Whoever would make him happy, like...
Andy: Whoever would make him happy.
Kourtney: ...I would give my blessing.
Andy: Queenfreddieb said...
You guys have talked about this.
It's that the men have trouble after you.
-What I don't like about this narrative... -Okay. Yes.
And I... I'm very excited about this question.
-Andy: Okay, good. -What I don't like about the narrative
Is that the blame is on us.
Like, I think that they need to put the r...
Like, the-the men need to take that responsibility.
-Do you know what I mean? -Andy: Uh-huh.
I think that we're all extremely giving and caring
And loving women, and when there is a man in our lives,
We, like, give everything to them.
And as a family, we all love them so much, and
It's like, almost, like, offensive. I mean,
-Just personally, I'm saying, like... -Kylie: Well, instead,
-They're blaming women for... -It's offensive because they're...
Right. They're blaming women
-For men's problems. -Kendall: Right.
But you don't hear a bunch of men on this couch.
And if the women weren't doing better--
Like, 'cause the men are doing just as...
Let me tell you, kanye's doing pretty well,
So I don't... I think that, like...
-Travis is doing great. -You also have two nba championships,
-A super bowl. What else? -Exactly.
-I mean, all these things that have... -Kendall: Well, yeah.
Of course, factually, it doesn't add up.
Kris: You could go down the factual
Successes of all the men. Yeah.
Scott, do you feel like you have a kardashian curse?
No.
Andy: No? Okay, moving on.
Kendall, what does it feel like to be...?
You grew up in this show.
Now you're the highest-paid supermodel in the world.
Um, it's-it's so crazy, 'cause I think
That, um, when I was younger--
And I'm sure you guys can all attest to this--
I was, like, a huge tomboy,
Like, couldn't really care less about fashion.
I, like... All I cared about was my horses
And, like, what sports I was playing, so it's really
Interesting that, I think, at the beginning,
Especially, of our show, that was more me.
And then, over time, I think I, you know...
It kind of happened really naturally. Like, I don't...
I can't say I was, like,
You know, ten years old, dreaming about it.
But when I did get to, like, 14, 15, I was like,
"wait a minute. This seems so fun."
I would take pictures at our house.
Like, I got a cam... I loved phot...
It started with photography. I really loved photography,
And I would take pictures of my friends.
And then, they'd be, like, "let me take pictures of you."
And I just ended up really enjoying it, and it was, like...
I know it's kind of corny to say,
But almost, like, destiny. Like, I think
That was what was pushing me that direction.
And I, like, presented the cutest, like, little
Modeling book to my mom when I was, like, 14,
And then she did her kris jenner things
And made it all come to life.
Andy: If you weren't a model,
What do you think you would be doing?
Honestly, I think I'd probably be
In the olympics or going to the olympics for horseback riding.
-Andy: Wow. -That was always my dream,
-Was horseback riding. -Right.
-And do you still ride? -I do.
I have two horses, but...
Andy: Sammy from montana said, "what do you say
"to those who accuse you of using your platform
"on the show to become a model, or that you didn't properly
Pay your dues?"
Khloe, did you feel like kim and kourtney received
Preferential treatment because of the way they looked?
Khloe: Oh, 100%.
It was never a question. It was fact, and it was
Very blatant.
Sammy from montana said, "what do you say
"to those who accuse you of using your platform
"on the show to become a model,
Or that you didn't properly pay your dues?"
Kendall: Um, I mean, again, in, like, the...
In the topic of, like, offensiveness
To some of the things that people, I think, assume
About our family, um, I think,
You know, everyone around me, whether it's friends or family,
Knows how hard I worked and still work.
And I did everything
That I was supposed to do and had to do
To get to the position that I'm at now as a model.
I went to every single casting, and ran all over
Not only new york city, but all over europe
Trying to, you know, get a job and-and make my way.
Of course, I had a platform, and I'll never...
I never took that for granted.
I always knew that that was there,
But that almost made my job a little bit harder.
Um, only because people, you know,
Probably didn't want to hire me
Because I was on a reality tv show.
She actually wouldn't allow us, as a family,
To go to any of the fashion shows.
-Andy: Why? -And sit front row,
Because she didn't want to be distracted with...
-Or film. -Yeah. -Kendall: I took my last name
Off of my name on, like, all my modelling cards,
So that I was taken completely seriously.
I mean, I literally, like, went to,
Like, the middle-of-nowhere castings.
Like, I-I definitely worked my way to where I am now.
I think it's just a perception that people have
That I just was like, "give it to me," and I had it.
-It definitely was not that. -Andy: Sasha from las vegas
Wants to know, "kendall, do you only date basketball players?
"and do they have to be good basketball players
In order to get your attention?"
No, I actually don't only date basketball players,
-If anyone's ever done their research, um, but... -(andy laughs)
-Ooh! -...I do... I'm not ashamed
That I have a type, and I'm also
A genuine, like, basketball fan.
So it just kind of, you know, has happened.
So what's happening with you and devin booker?
Um, he's my boyfriend.
-Andy: You're together? -Kendall: Yeah.
It seems like you have consciously decided
To keep your relationship out of the public eye?
Yeah. It's always just...
I feel like it's always worked better for me that way.
-Uh-huh. -And no offense to my older sisters at all,
But I think that kylie and I
Specifically have, you know, had the opportunity
To watch my older sisters, you know,
Go through marriages and-and relationships
And breakups and all these things and-and do them pretty...
Scott: Glad to be there for you.
Kendall: No. Do them pretty publicly,
And, like, again, no offense to you guys at all,
-None taken. -...But I think, just it was
Personal preference, from, like, a really young age
That I didn't really want to, like...
-Yeah. -I think it makes my life
A lot easier and our relationship a lot better,
To be completely honest.
I just feel like it's a private matter.
It's not really for anybody else to-to judge or know.
Andy: Okay, let's switch gears.
So how do you all think khloe has changed
Since the beginning?
-Since season one? -(chuckles softly)
Kris: I think khloe has,
And has built over the years, um, an incredible confidence
That sometimes comes and goes, but overall,
I think the feeling is she's so beautiful,
And she's in such great shape,
And she has got so many beautiful qualities,
Inside and out, that I think that,
At the end of the day, she just has to learn
-How to believe in herself. -Andy: You launched
Your successful denim line, uh, specifically
Designed to make women of all sizes look beautiful.
Looking back, do you feel bad
That you were so hard on yourself all those years?
Well, interestingly enough, I was so confident and secure
Before the show, and then I...
I wasn't hard on myself until we became...
I mean, season one, I wouldn't say, like, we were...
I was famous, but I was always kim's sister, but we would...
I remember, kourtney and I would always be in the background
Of her photos, and we loved it.
We just, like, kind of loved annoying her,
And, like, kind of embarrassing her for paparazzi.
And then, I mean, all the...
Like, the perez hiltons and all those, um...
-Andy: Yup. Blogs. -Blogs of the time.
That's when, you know, all that narrative of "fugly"
Or all these crazy things that I wasn't even aware of
About myself, um, I think that's when I started
To become hard on myself because I was like,
"oh, this is how other people perceive me."
But my whole life, I never looked at myself like that.
I was always in body-con dresses,
And I was always like, "oh, if kim has it,
I'm gonna get one, too."
And I would wiggle into the same size, and I
Most definitely wasn't her size, but at the time,
I didn't know how much bigger I wa--
I became insecure because of everyone else telling me.
Andy: Did you... Did you feel like
Kim and kourtney received preferential treatment
-Because of the way they looked? -Oh, 100%.
We did so many photoshoots where they would
Receive racks and racks of clothes, and I was told
By so many different stylists,
I was given about two or three pieces of clothing, that's it,
And not to worry 'cause I'll be in the background anyway.
Like, I wouldn't be in the forefront.
It would always be them two and me behind them.
So, not even...
It was never a question. It was fact,
And it was very blatant, as well.
Do you think your sisters or your mom
Take you more seriously since you lost weight?
Take us... Her seriously about what?
I don't know. Do you... Do you feel
That they view you differently
-Or-or treat you differently? -I don't.
No, I don't think they do, but it's very interesting
How much I notice, like, everyone else does,
Which I understand, but it's also a reason why
I try to speak up for even good american.
Like, having size inclusivity and not selling to stores
That aren't gonna carry my entire size range.
'cause I don't want people to feel
Like they have to be a certain size to be accepted, or...
And even if I fluctuate with my weight
Or be skinnier or bigger, I don't want people to think
That's what they have to be. You can be whatever you want.
I just want people to be healthy.
I-I do just want to ask, because the other narrative
That comes up is, do you think that you are promoting
Unattainable standards of beauty in any way?
No, I don't because I think we get up, we do the work,
We work out, you know.
We all really enjoy taking care of ourselves and being healthy.
So I think, if anything, the only thing
We're really trying to represent is just
Having the most healthy ver... Like, being
The most healthy version of yourself.
Throughout the show, I feel like
I'm always reading stuff...
People are putting stuff out there about your paternity,
And I just have to think that that, among everything
You've gone through, is maybe the most difficult thing.
Andy: Let me start with lamar.
If you could go back in time, would you
Still get married in such a short period of time?
Throughout the show, I feel like I'm always readi
People are putting stuff out there
About your paternity, and I just have to think that
That, among everything you've gone through,
Is maybe the most difficult thing.
-Am I...? -Yeah, but I have heard that narrative way...
I mean, since I've been a baby.
That part doesn't hurt me now.
I think I've... Because I've been so used to that,
That I've always been questioned who's my... Real dad, or
I must have a different dad because I don't look as...
-Kim: But wait. When... In our 23andme is... -Andy: Right.
...You're, like, more armenian than we are, which is, like...
-Andy: Wow. -She had more of a percentage of
-Middle eastern armenian descent then they did. -Andy: Right.
That's not the point here. By people saying...
Questioning always, I can't be their...
-Equal sibling... -Kris: Sibling.
...It's because of appearance.
-It's not because of... -Kendall: Facts. -Genetics.
Right, and so, that's the part that's always... Stung,
But it's been... I'm so immune to that part, I don't...
I mean, that's the part that hurts me the least currently.
Andy: Is there something that has been written about you
Or talked about that you feel like,
"this is something that I always get, and it's just not true"?
Khloe: Well, for me, everyone says,
"oh, my gosh, she's had her third face transplant."
I've had one nose job-- dr. Raj kanodia.
And everyone gets so upset. Like, why don't I talk about it?
No one's ever asked me.
You're the first person in an interview
That's ever asked me about my nose.
I've done, sure, injections.
Not really botox. I've responded horribly to botox.
Do you think you are more or less insecure now
Than you were when the show started?
When the show first started, I was very secure.
Very secure. And then, during the first couple seasons,
I became insecure because of the public,
Um, opinions of myself.
Then I had, I think, a good run of being secure,
And then, I think recently, I've become now insecure again.
So I guess it just goes... You know, up and down.
There's-there's this crazy environment
And culture on the internet of this bullying
-That is just so bad. -Andy: Yeah.
And I think that, you know, we know all the statistics
And all the suicide rates and all of that, but it...
I think people just don't realize,
Especially when they do it anonymously, and they can just
-Go on and say anything they want. -Andy: Yeah.
We talk about it all the time, but it's really so...
Um, it's so cruel and so bad for someone's mental health,
-Just to keep getting badgered all the time. -Andy: Mm.
And from, you know...
We were on the air for... It's been 14 years.
-20 seasons. -Andy: And everything's changed since then.
Yeah, and it just becomes more compounded
With the more social media platforms
-That evolve over the years. -Andy: Yeah.
And when we started, it, you know, was pretty quiet.
And then it just... It-it... Sometimes, it's a roar.
You know, and that's hard.
Okay, let's move on to the next topic.
Khloe, we've seen rob more in the last few seasons.
What-what made him want to come back to the show?
I think he just needed a break.
I think, also, a lot of his personal relationships really...
It's not so much about physical appearance.
It's a lot of how he felt internally...
-Mm-hmm. -...About some of the women in his life
And how they treated him,
Or how he felt they might have used him
To get to certain areas or levels,
And I think that really affected him,
'cause my brother is such a lover and has, like,
The most incredible heart and personality.
Um, and I think he's just getting stronger,
And I think you-you have to get heartbroken,
And you learn from your mistakes.
And I think he's just stronger and feeling better
To be around, to be more vulnerable or exposed.
-How is he doing? -Khloe: I know
Rob is really feeling really good about himself right now,
And he's working really hard on himself.
And so, I think, before he did something like this
Where he has to address probably the part
That made him want to take a break...
-Andy: He can start fresh. -Yes.
Got it. Um, it must be hard co-parenting
For him with someone who's suing his entire family.
You know, I'm sure it is,
But we could only imagine how hard that is.
And I know he feels really guilty about that,
So none of us ever make him feel bad about it.
And dream is honestly one of the most incredible little girls
-In the entire world. -Mm.
And we never blur the two.
We separate completely, and we respect
That chyna is the mother of dream, and we'll always respect,
Um, that that's her position.
And-and so we never try to bleed that
Or make rob feel any more guilty,
'cause that's out of his control.
-Is he dating? -Yes.
-Oh, he is? Oh, that's great. -I mean... (chuckles softly)
-I was gonna suggest malika and rob. -Khloe: I know.
-Been there, done that. -Khloe: I know.
We have been there and done that, but...
Andy: What do you mean?
-You've tried? -No.
-They've hooked up before. -Andy: Oh, they... Oh.
They did, a while ago.
-They were dating-ish. -Khloe: Yeah.
Andy: Let's switch gears. Khloe,
Let me start with lamar.
Where do things stand with the two of you today?
-Um... -Are you in touch at all?
No, we're not in touch, but I honestly
Wish him nothing but the best and good health, and I'm...
I think we're all, like, really rooting for him
-And just want the best for him. -If you could
Go back in time, would you do anything differently?
Would you still get married in such a short period of time?
Yeah.
I loved that chapter in my life.
I did, regardless of how dark
And crazy that might sound.
It was just still a very significant part
Of my story and my life, and I wouldn't change it.
I mean, how...
It sounds crazy, but that was meant to happen,
And it happened. Yeah.
What does it mean to you that in recent years
Lamar has been vocal about owning his mistreatment of you?
I really appreciate it.
It's something that our marriage ended
In a way that there was not a lot of closure on my end,
And I would assume on his.
And so when you ha... When you get out of a marriage
Where you're not really able to have a discussion with someone,
I feel like it's hard for you to move on.
You feel always incomplete... Incomplete,
Or you're always questioning things.
So finally to kind of get that closure,
Or just that acknowledgement for me,
Like, "okay, I did... I did do everything I thought I did."
'cause for a long time, I was questioning
Maybe I didn't do enough, or maybe I wasn't the wife
I thought I was or that I really believed I was living.
But then to hear that, you do get, like,
Yeah, the validation, I guess.
Andy: Okay, so moving on to tristan.
Before you found out that he was cheating
The first time, did you suspect?
Okay, so moving on to tristan.
Before you found out that he was cheating
The first time, did you suspect?
No. I didn't.
You know, finding out just two days
Before you're going into labor about that, it was...
I didn't... I didn't have enough time or energy,
Maybe, to process really what was happening.
And I... Just wanted to have my baby,
And it just happened. (chuckles)
Andy: That was one of the most fascinating,
Real, surprising,
Emotional things that I've seen on the show, in the run.
In the delivery room,
You're sitting there, your family is around you,
-Protecting you. -Mm-hmm.
(loud grunting)
-(indistinct chatter) -(true cries)
Khloe: Having these beginning moments with my daughter
And seeing him be such a great father to her,
That's really what's important to me.
Andy: You are able to
See the greater good of having this man,
Who's the father of your baby, there with you for this moment
-And putting that aside. -Khloe: Well...
What does it feel like to watch that, when you see that?
It's strange. That was a very out-of-body experience.
I genuinely don't really remember a lot
Of in the delivery room.
I think I was zoning out, and my eye was just, like...
-Andy: Yeah. -I was focused, and I had blinders on
For a lot of things, but I knew, okay,
My daughter is gonna want to see her birth video
One day, I would hope, and I wanted
To think about true, at that moment,
And say, "this is not about me.
"we're gonna handle this on our own, later.
This should not ever affect my child."
And I wanted to have these memories,
To have these moments for her, and...
-That's incredible. I... -Kim: No, it really was.
I mean, you wanted true to have this experience
That she'll remember for the rest of her life.
I couldn't have been that calm, and I just remember thinking,
Like, "you are the, like, bravest, calmest, most,
Like, honorable person I've ever met."
Bean bag lover tweeted, "khloe, when tristan first
"cheated on you, how did you know he...
It hadn't been done nor will be done again?"
Well, it was done again. (chuckles)
-Andy: It was. -It was done again.
Why did you take him back? Just for true?
The first time, when I had true,
It was a very strange...
But not for the baby. It was just, like, the circumstances.
It's so hard to explain. I'm now in cleveland,
Stuck here, I'm in this media storm.
I couldn't really face going home, either.
Like, I felt so... Overwhelmed.
Like, if I go home, there's gonna be all this paparazzi,
Everyone asking questions, everyone coming over.
I needed to just be alone with my daughter.
And it was the best thing I did, was having
Three months alone with true.
And then, I mean, it just sort of happened.
And I did then have this thing.
Like, "okay this is for my baby." which is a strange...
It seems from social media
That the two of you are back together.
We weren't... For season 20, we weren't together.
And then-- I don't know--
We just really, really became genuine,
Great friends with one another and great co-p...
He's a great dad and a good...
But co-parenting's not the thing.
We just really... I don't know.
It just was this natural progression.
And I'm not saying that's, you know,
What I would encourage other people to do.
It's just what naturally happened for him and I.
Do you trust him?
I mean, I definitely trust him as a friend
And all those things, but I'm not someone that...
You know, what I need to find out, everything comes my way.
I just have to trust.
I need to focus on today and go day by day.
I don't really... I can't worry too much about
Everything else. I know the growth
And all the work that he's done.
I know all the help that he's got
And the constant efforts that he makes every single day
And how hard he fought to get back with me currently.
I mean, you could ask everyone.
It really wasn't an easy thing for him.
But I don't understand why someone would
Go through all that if they weren't really serious.
-Um... -He really did try.
He came to each and every one of us and really apologized
And was, you know, genuinely, um,
Sorry that he had hurt khloe, and true and the family,
And really worked on that relationship
For a year and a half, and really... I mean,
Seeing them together, because I was with them a lot
During covid, and we would be
In the desert or wherever we were,
And he would always make sure he was there,
And really showed her
How he could step it up as a man
And take responsibility for what had happened.
-Do you want more kids? -Khloe: I do want more kids.
-With tristan? -Yeah.
-I do want more kids, um, with tristan.
You know, tristan and I definitely are not perfect,
And... But it's also like kourtney said,
I get when you open up your personal life
To so many people, too.
You hear so much outside noise, as well.
Where are you with your surrogacy journey?
It's a very, um, tedious, hard process.
And, well, it's interesting
'cause kim went through the journey,
And I swear it felt like, she's like,
"I want to get pregnant."
Two weeks later, she found a surrogate.
And it's a lot to do with covid.
-Um, I did have one, and then it fell through. -Yeah.
Um, there are so many tests they have to do,
And all these things. So I'm still on that journey.
It's just, I thought it would be a much easier process.
-Andy: Yeah. -Khloe: And it's not.
-It's challenging for me. -Andy: Another key player
In your relationship with tristan
Is your old friend jordyn woods.
W-what's the status with her today, would you say?
Um, I personally don't talk to her, but I think
She's doing really well in her personal life.
Matilda from kansas city wants to know
Why you haven't given the same pass to jordyn
-As you did to tristan. -I mean, I'm really happy
To hear that question,
Because I think that's a huge misconception. I have...
And that's also the thing, where some narratives aren't
As fun to pass around, and spread like wildfire.
I've actually tweeted, I've actually done insta stories
That I don't have any grudge against jordyn.
I think people make mistakes, people live, and they learn.
And I forgive both parties.
How could I forgive tristan and not jordyn?
That sounds, you know, asinine, in my opinion.
-You do forgive her? -I forgive jordyn. But because...
Or else I would be a prisoner, in my life.
I have to forgive these people for me.
And it's up to them to forgive themselves
And to be accountable, and learn,
And hopefully don't repeat these same cycles that they're doing.
But of course I forgive jordyn.
Andy: Sarah from rochester, new york said,
"kylie, jordyn was a huge part of your life for years
"and practically a part of the family.
"did you guys have a chance to talk about everything
That went down between she and tristan?"
Jordyn and I did talk... Have a talk after that.
When we were friends, we never thought
That we wouldn't be friends.
It was kind of an overnight thing.
And, you know...
When... She did something to my family,
It felt like she did something, you know, to me.
Did she apologize to you personally?
I'm gonna keep it real.
Tristan has a baby with khloe.
We have to always, like, keep it cool.
If there's no babies involved,
And (bleep) goes down, like, "sorry."
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Did she apologize to you personally?
-No. -No. You think
She'll ever be invited back into your...
The inner circle of the family?
I have told kylie, um, intimately,
That I would genuinely not care whatsoever
If kylie wants to be her friend again. I...
My sisters matter way more to me
Than any grudge or issue
That I would have with another individual.
And if I can allow tristan back into my life,
I need to allow the same forgiveness
And acceptance of other people.
And if kylie-kylie has...
We've had these conversations. If kylie wants...
We've had a lot of conversations.
...Jordyn to be her friend, that's up to kylie.
Kim: But I'm-I'm gonna keep it real.
Tristan has a baby with khloe, so they...
Tristan will always be in our lives, one way or the other.
-Right. That's what I was thinking. -Kim: If a girl was...
If-if anyone else came in the situation,
I wouldn't choose to want to spend all my extra time.
I get it. Like, tristan's family.
We have to always, like, keep it cool.
There's a baby involved. So if there's no babies involved,
And (bleep) goes down, like, "sorry."
That part is true, but I'm also...
Right, if there was no baby involved,
-There would be a different story. -Andy: That's true.
-But what I'm saying is that... -But she also said
That he's atoned for a year and a half, and...
-Kim: Totally. -But also, there... It's...
What I am, what
Kylie and I have had multiple conversations about is...
-Kim: Yes. -You know, 'cause at times,
Kylie might feel,
"oh, I miss someone." or she's spent so many years
-Of her life with jordyn. -Totally. I get that.
Khloe: And I've said to her 100 times, I never want
Kylie to fast-forward ten years, and kylie to be like,
"wow. I really regret not getting
To be back friends with jordyn again,"
Or she has resentment towards me.
I don't care enough to ever hurt my sister.
Did she ever send you the letter she promised?
-No. -I-I want to ask everybody,
As you've looked back on the series today and your lives,
Tell me something that you've learned or that
You've come away from tonight realizing.
Kylie: This entire experience
Has brought me a lot closer to you guys
And appreciate you all so much more.
And I feel like I did throw myself in my friends
For so many years and didn't realize
I have the best friends here with me.
-We've been trying to tell you. -Kylie: My permanent friends.
(laughing): We've been trying to tell you.
But it made me all...
Every situation, and all the heartbreak and the trust issues,
Like, has just brought me so much closer to you guys,
And I appreciate you all on another level.
Kim: I love you. I think the one thing I took away just from this
Whole experience of filming keeping up with the kardashians
And even watching it all back, is we are so lucky.
-We have an awesome life. -Kylie: We are very lucky.
Kim: We are so blessed to have found
Each other in this life, to...
Just have all these experiences together.
Have our babies together.
Kim: We're lucky, guys.
Kris: We have the best family in the world.
-Kendall: We get to do it together. -Mm-hmm.
And I don't think a lot of people can say that--
Even people that are in our positions.
Not a lot of people can say
That every single one of their family members
Can completely understand, like, what they're going through
-On a daily basis. -Kris: Yeah.
So, like, I think that's something
That I really appreciate.
And also a thing that I think keeps us all, like, sane.
-Grounded. -Kylie: Grounded.
-Absolutely. Absolutely. -To-to as much as we can be.
-You know what I mean? -That's the key.
But also that everyone has something like this,
Like, families that, as adults, like,
Are actually this close and spend this much time together.
-Scott, what about you? -Scott: I think I've learned
Probably mostly just,
Like, what you need to respect in life,
I guess, to have, like, a good life.
Khloe: I think I've learned a couple things. It's just,
You really... We don't know who you can trust,
But we can definitely trust and rely on one another.
And you keep your circle small, but that doesn't mean
You don't allow a rare few in,
But we're just really guarded about who we let in.
I also think that, like, something that I can
Thank you for is almost the uncomfortable questions,
'cause I think, personally...
This is a personal issue that I have. Like,
I'm... I consider myself, like, somewhat of a realist--
You guys can correct me if you think I'm wrong--
But, like, I love, like... I appreciate, like, honesty,
And, like, I'm sometimes, like, brutally honest.
So I think the false narratives around my family,
I get really protective over them, but also,
It frustrates me when there's false narratives about me.
So I think that it was really actually, like,
Almost, like, refreshing to be able to, like,
Address maybe those uncomfortable questions
And be like, "okay. But this isn't true,
Or this is actually what happened."
Or... You know what I mean? I think that that, you know,
Is a really nice... It's a nice thing to be able
To talk about sometimes, 'cause most of the time,
We don't really say anything about all the things.
And we don't want to usually bring it up or talk about it.
-Yeah. -Right. Or bring it any more light.
-So that's kind of... -Andy: Well, that makes me happy,
'cause that was the point of tonight.
-Kendall and kourtney: Yeah. -To look back, but also,
I mean, there has been...
It's unusual how much of a swirl
Goes on around you guys when you do everything.
Well, kris, kourtney, kim, khloe, kendall,
Kylie and scott, congratulations.
-Thank you. -I want to thank you all
For inviting me to end this amazing run.
I think we should grab some 818 tequila, and...
-Let's take a shot. -Andy: ...Have a little toast. -Yes.
-Kendall, what cute shot glasses. -I know.
Kris: All right, guys.
To the best family in the entire world...
(voice breaking): That I wouldn't want to do this
With anybody else. I love you guys.
-Mm. -Love you. -Love you.
-Look me in the eyes, guys.
Oh. Cheers.
That's a lot of people to cheers.
-(khloe laughs) -kim: Is that not the smoothest tequila,
-Or what? -Wow. -That's good.
-Really good. -Good stuff.
-Yeah. -It's the best.
-It's really good. -Just for good luck.
-I just had a tiny sip. -I took a little sip.
-Kris: Mmm. -Oh, I took the full shot.
-Oh, I just had a tiny sip. -What?! Ooh. -As you should.
-(laughter) -whatever.
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