1 00:00:00,020 --> 00:00:02,060 (THEME MUSIC PLAYS) 2 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:30,860 (BIRDS TWITTER) (TRAFFIC HUMS) 3 00:00:34,380 --> 00:00:37,500 I am your warrior. I am your justice. 4 00:00:37,500 --> 00:00:42,740 And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution. 5 00:00:42,740 --> 00:00:44,980 I am your retribution. (CHEERING) 6 00:00:44,980 --> 00:00:48,380 LEON PANETTA: That's almost what I call gangster-type politics. 7 00:00:48,380 --> 00:00:48,620 LEON PANETTA: That's almost (CHEERING) 8 00:00:48,620 --> 00:00:49,580 (CHEERING) 9 00:00:49,580 --> 00:00:51,100 The politics of retribution. 10 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:53,260 Politics of revenge. 11 00:00:53,260 --> 00:00:56,060 Their reign is over. Their reign will be over. 12 00:00:56,060 --> 00:00:58,100 ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: Mr Trump has practised the Big Lie 13 00:00:58,100 --> 00:00:58,340 ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: for five decades, 14 00:00:58,340 --> 00:00:59,380 for five decades, 15 00:00:59,380 --> 00:01:00,460 and it works for him. 16 00:01:00,460 --> 00:01:02,620 I actually think we won most of the country. 17 00:01:02,620 --> 00:01:07,180 He represents a dark force in humanity. 18 00:01:07,180 --> 00:01:10,460 CHAD WOLF: I don't know anyone who loves their country more 19 00:01:10,460 --> 00:01:12,380 and is more patriotic than the president. 20 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:15,500 He talks directly with the American people, which is fantastic. 21 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:15,740 He talks directly with the American Now, if I don't get elected, 22 00:01:15,740 --> 00:01:17,100 Now, if I don't get elected, 23 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:19,180 it's gonna be a bloodbath for the country. 24 00:01:19,180 --> 00:01:22,260 MARK WILLACY: Real-estate shark, reality-TV star, 25 00:01:22,260 --> 00:01:23,980 former United States President, 26 00:01:23,980 --> 00:01:25,580 now convicted criminal. 27 00:01:25,580 --> 00:01:27,980 And I obliterate my competition. 28 00:01:27,980 --> 00:01:32,100 There has never been an American iconoclast like Donald Trump. 29 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:35,580 "They're Republicans." I said, "I don't give a shit. They're..." 30 00:01:35,580 --> 00:01:38,700 The American people are gonna see a great era 31 00:01:38,700 --> 00:01:42,300 of wellbeing and peace and prosperity. 32 00:01:42,300 --> 00:01:42,540 of wellbeing and peace Millions and millions of people... 33 00:01:42,540 --> 00:01:44,220 Millions and millions of people... 34 00:01:44,220 --> 00:01:46,980 It's a once-in-a-generational chance 35 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:48,580 to have the American people 36 00:01:48,580 --> 00:01:50,700 have a voice back in their own government. 37 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:54,020 He's a fucking idiot. 38 00:01:54,020 --> 00:01:55,500 He's just a fucking idiot. 39 00:01:55,500 --> 00:02:00,740 (INDISTINCT YELLING) 40 00:02:00,740 --> 00:02:03,620 Nearly four years on from the carnage at the Capitol, 41 00:02:03,620 --> 00:02:06,140 the man accused of encouraging his fellow citizens 42 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:06,380 the man accused to assault their own democracy 43 00:02:06,380 --> 00:02:08,020 to assault their own democracy 44 00:02:08,020 --> 00:02:09,340 is back. 45 00:02:09,340 --> 00:02:12,780 Look at what's happened with the J-6 hostages. They're hostages. 46 00:02:12,780 --> 00:02:13,020 Look at what's happened with We will give them pardons. 47 00:02:13,020 --> 00:02:14,460 We will give them pardons. 48 00:02:14,460 --> 00:02:18,140 I do worry there's a real group of American citizens 49 00:02:18,140 --> 00:02:20,100 who are willing to engage in violence for Donald Trump. 50 00:02:20,100 --> 00:02:20,340 who are willing to engage Take a look at what happened... 51 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:21,180 Take a look at what happened... 52 00:02:21,180 --> 00:02:23,100 (GUNFIRE) 53 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:24,540 Get down! Get down! Get down! 54 00:02:24,540 --> 00:02:24,780 Already there's been violence... (GUNFIRE) Get down! Get down! Get down! 55 00:02:24,780 --> 00:02:27,860 Already there's been violence... (GUNFIRE) 56 00:02:27,860 --> 00:02:30,100 but it's been aimed at Donald Trump. 57 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:32,220 (WOMAN SCREAMS) 58 00:02:32,220 --> 00:02:32,460 (WOMAN SCREAMS) A would-be assassin coming close to killing the former president. 59 00:02:32,460 --> 00:02:36,060 A would-be assassin coming close to killing the former president. 60 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:39,220 For months before this moment 61 00:02:39,220 --> 00:02:41,100 Four Corners was investigating 62 00:02:41,100 --> 00:02:45,940 what a second Trump presidency would mean for America and the world. 63 00:02:45,940 --> 00:02:49,140 It's even more relevant now after this, 64 00:02:49,140 --> 00:02:52,060 with a defiant Donald Trump looking unstoppable 65 00:02:52,060 --> 00:02:54,420 in his march to the White House. 66 00:02:57,860 --> 00:03:00,060 In Donald Trump's vision for America 67 00:03:00,060 --> 00:03:03,740 centuries-old institutions are there to be dismantled, 68 00:03:03,740 --> 00:03:03,980 centuries-old institutions are there to be dismantled, and the checks and balances 69 00:03:03,980 --> 00:03:05,580 and the checks and balances 70 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:07,780 established by the founding fathers 71 00:03:07,780 --> 00:03:10,620 are impediments to absolute power. 72 00:03:10,620 --> 00:03:12,380 He says, "You're not gonna be a dictator, are you?" 73 00:03:12,380 --> 00:03:15,100 I said, "No, no, no, other than day one." 74 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:17,620 So, when he says he's a dictator for a day, 75 00:03:17,620 --> 00:03:19,860 he really means, "Look, I want to be dictator for life." 76 00:03:19,860 --> 00:03:22,100 We're in the midst of a neo-Marxist revolution 77 00:03:22,100 --> 00:03:23,420 here in the United States, 78 00:03:23,420 --> 00:03:25,860 and we have to wake up to what's going on. 79 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:28,340 We pledge to you 80 00:03:28,340 --> 00:03:30,300 that we will root out 81 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:33,140 the communists, Marxists, fascists 82 00:03:33,140 --> 00:03:34,740 and the radical left thugs 83 00:03:34,740 --> 00:03:39,060 that live like vermin within the confines of our country. 84 00:03:39,060 --> 00:03:42,340 SEBASTIAN GORKA: He hates political correctness and he loves America. 85 00:03:42,340 --> 00:03:42,580 SEBASTIAN GORKA: He hates political We'll do anything possible. 86 00:03:42,580 --> 00:03:44,500 We'll do anything possible. 87 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:47,420 "America's broke. I'm gonna fix it. And I love it." 88 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:53,180 We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen. 89 00:03:55,340 --> 00:03:58,980 After the chaos and confusion of his first term in office, 90 00:03:58,980 --> 00:04:03,180 Donald Trump has a detailed plan for his second coming. 91 00:04:03,180 --> 00:04:07,780 It involves reshaping the very pillars of American democracy. 92 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:10,340 And there's already an army of loyal recruits 93 00:04:10,340 --> 00:04:13,100 who are prepared to carry out his orders. 94 00:04:16,300 --> 00:04:19,020 PAUL DANS: We have a database with over 10,000 people 95 00:04:19,020 --> 00:04:21,380 from all walks of life. 96 00:04:21,380 --> 00:04:23,660 We want people who've been cancelled, 97 00:04:23,660 --> 00:04:25,740 who've figuratively given blood for the movement. 98 00:04:26,940 --> 00:04:29,940 They want to bring shock troops into the government 99 00:04:29,940 --> 00:04:32,220 who focus on dismantling government. 100 00:04:33,700 --> 00:04:35,940 CHAD WOLF: If you're not on board with the president's agenda 101 00:04:35,940 --> 00:04:38,220 and you're in a consequential position, 102 00:04:38,220 --> 00:04:39,500 you need to step aside 103 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:40,860 or you need to hold your tongue. 104 00:04:45,620 --> 00:04:49,700 One country. One constitution. One destiny. 105 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:49,940 One country. One constitution. Those very words are inscribed 106 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:51,180 Those very words are inscribed 107 00:04:51,180 --> 00:04:51,420 inside the Capitol in the heart of Washington, DC, Those very words are inscribed 108 00:04:51,420 --> 00:04:55,300 inside the Capitol in the heart of Washington, DC, 109 00:04:55,300 --> 00:04:55,540 inside the Capitol but the United States is riven, 110 00:04:55,540 --> 00:04:57,780 but the United States is riven, 111 00:04:57,780 --> 00:05:00,100 with many Americans fearing its destiny 112 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:00,340 with many Americans lies in the hands of a man 113 00:05:00,340 --> 00:05:01,700 lies in the hands of a man 114 00:05:01,700 --> 00:05:01,940 who has little regard lies in the hands of a man 115 00:05:01,940 --> 00:05:05,020 who has little regard for this country's constitution, 116 00:05:05,020 --> 00:05:09,700 whose supporters trashed this place in the dying days of his presidency. 117 00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:13,420 Almost four years after being cast out by voters, 118 00:05:13,420 --> 00:05:13,660 Almost four years Donald Trump is back, 119 00:05:13,660 --> 00:05:15,540 Donald Trump is back, 120 00:05:15,540 --> 00:05:19,980 and he has a plan to rebuild America in his own image. 121 00:05:19,980 --> 00:05:22,220 To some he's a saviour, 122 00:05:22,220 --> 00:05:25,060 and to others an autocrat. 123 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:26,540 Over the next two weeks 124 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:29,020 Four Corners brings you a special series 125 00:05:29,020 --> 00:05:32,420 on the battle for American democracy. 126 00:05:36,020 --> 00:05:38,300 JOHN BOLTON: As of today, I would say 127 00:05:38,300 --> 00:05:41,820 it's more likely than not that Trump is re-elected. 128 00:05:41,820 --> 00:05:44,340 This is one of those critical moments in history 129 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:47,500 where actually the fate of the free world, if you will, 130 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:47,740 where actually the fate rests on one man's shoulders. 131 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:49,980 rests on one man's shoulders. 132 00:05:49,980 --> 00:05:53,420 If he's returned to the presidency, he's gonna be dangerous. 133 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:57,860 It can literally destroy our democracy. 134 00:05:57,860 --> 00:06:00,500 I'm not sure the country will survive it, honestly. 135 00:06:00,500 --> 00:06:04,180 I truly believe that we could be on the path to authoritarianism. 136 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:32,460 It's September 2018, the second year of Donald Trump's tumultuous reign... 137 00:06:33,460 --> 00:06:35,780 ..and a senior official inside his administration 138 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:36,020 ..and a senior official is about to lift the lid 139 00:06:36,020 --> 00:06:37,260 is about to lift the lid 140 00:06:37,260 --> 00:06:41,300 on a White House riddled with dysfunction and disorder. 141 00:07:11,500 --> 00:07:14,980 What begins as a private journal soon becomes public 142 00:07:14,980 --> 00:07:17,740 when its author decides the American people need to know 143 00:07:17,740 --> 00:07:21,340 what's really happening inside the Trump administration. 144 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:26,900 The highly placed official leaks his essay to The New York Times. 145 00:07:43,900 --> 00:07:48,660 Under the by-line 'Anonymous', the piece causes a media sensation. 146 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:53,900 We have somebody in what I call The 'failing' New York Times that... 147 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:56,100 The publication also prompts the president 148 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:59,460 to order an investigation to find the identity of the author. 149 00:07:59,460 --> 00:08:02,180 When you tell me about some anonymous source 150 00:08:02,180 --> 00:08:02,420 When you tell me within the administration, 151 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:03,740 within the administration, 152 00:08:03,740 --> 00:08:07,980 probably who's failing and probably here for all the wrong reasons... 153 00:08:07,980 --> 00:08:11,540 An anonymous editorial, can you believe it? 'Anonymous'. 154 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:14,300 Meaning gutless, a gutless editorial. 155 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:14,580 When the article came out, the anonymous article, Meaning gutless, a gutless editorial. 156 00:08:14,580 --> 00:08:16,620 When the article came out, the anonymous article, 157 00:08:16,620 --> 00:08:16,860 When the article came out, and I read through the article, 158 00:08:16,860 --> 00:08:18,100 and I read through the article, 159 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:20,940 I said, "Wow, this guy is close enough. He really understands. 160 00:08:20,940 --> 00:08:21,220 I said, "Wow, this guy is close enough. He really understands. "He's inside the blast zone of Donald Trump." 161 00:08:21,220 --> 00:08:24,300 "He's inside the blast zone of Donald Trump." 162 00:08:26,740 --> 00:08:29,100 Despite a concerted hunt for the author, 163 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:32,860 'Anonymous' would remain just that for more than two years. 164 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:35,860 Only after he'd resigned from the administration 165 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:38,900 would he reveal his true identity. 166 00:08:38,900 --> 00:08:41,020 My name is Miles Taylor. 167 00:08:42,220 --> 00:08:44,260 I'm Anonymous. 168 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:44,500 I was the Chief of Staff at I'm Anonymous. 169 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:47,340 I was the Chief of Staff at the Department of Homeland Security 170 00:08:47,340 --> 00:08:47,580 I was the Chief of Staff at under Donald Trump. 171 00:08:47,580 --> 00:08:49,100 under Donald Trump. 172 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:54,060 Miles Taylor helped manage a workforce 173 00:08:54,060 --> 00:08:54,300 Miles Taylor of a quarter-of-a-million people, 174 00:08:54,300 --> 00:08:56,140 of a quarter-of-a-million people, 175 00:08:56,140 --> 00:08:57,660 but his most difficult task 176 00:08:57,660 --> 00:09:01,140 was dealing with the whims of his commander-in-chief. 177 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:01,380 was dealing with the whims When Donald Trump was president, 178 00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:02,940 When Donald Trump was president, 179 00:09:02,940 --> 00:09:03,180 I remember crossing that threshold into the Oval Office, When Donald Trump was president, 180 00:09:03,180 --> 00:09:05,860 I remember crossing that threshold into the Oval Office, 181 00:09:05,860 --> 00:09:08,100 and not only was this guy not bringing his A-game, 182 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:09,340 he didn't have a game, 183 00:09:09,340 --> 00:09:09,540 he didn't have a game, he was winging it. 184 00:09:09,540 --> 00:09:10,780 he was winging it. 185 00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:13,060 And the place was like... I've often described it as 186 00:09:13,060 --> 00:09:13,300 And the place was like... like a crowded New York bagel shop. 187 00:09:13,300 --> 00:09:15,220 like a crowded New York bagel shop. 188 00:09:15,220 --> 00:09:15,460 It was people coming in and out like a crowded New York bagel shop. 189 00:09:15,460 --> 00:09:19,180 It was people coming in and out and him barking orders, 190 00:09:19,180 --> 00:09:21,260 and you might be talking about a classified issue 191 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:23,020 and someone who doesn't have a security clearance 192 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:25,340 comes walking through the Oval Office, 193 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:26,780 and he's getting phone calls 194 00:09:26,780 --> 00:09:29,060 and he's telling people to tweet things out. 195 00:09:29,060 --> 00:09:33,740 We spend billions of dollars in other countries 196 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:33,980 We spend billions of dollars maintaining their borders, 197 00:09:33,980 --> 00:09:36,220 maintaining their borders, 198 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:39,980 and we can't maintain our borders in our own country. 199 00:09:39,980 --> 00:09:42,860 Is there something a little bit wrong with that? 200 00:09:42,860 --> 00:09:47,420 For Miles Taylor and his Homeland Security Secretary, Kirstjen Nielsen, 201 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:51,180 President Trump had a singular obsession - the southern border. 202 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:54,700 During one phone call with Secretary Nielsen 203 00:09:54,700 --> 00:09:56,620 Trump came up with a novel solution 204 00:09:56,620 --> 00:10:00,020 to stop the flow of migrants coming in to the United States. 205 00:10:00,020 --> 00:10:02,540 And she puts the president on speakerphone. 206 00:10:02,540 --> 00:10:05,740 And he says that, down at the border, 207 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:09,940 he wants to explore what it would take to build a moat. 208 00:10:09,940 --> 00:10:11,300 And he goes off on this tangent 209 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:16,900 talking about how we should actually get snakes and alligators 210 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:22,540 and fill this 2,000-mile moat on the border with reptilian creatures 211 00:10:22,540 --> 00:10:25,540 so that if someone falls in to the moat 212 00:10:25,540 --> 00:10:28,260 they're facing the threat of snakes and alligators 213 00:10:28,260 --> 00:10:28,500 they're facing who might come after them. 214 00:10:28,500 --> 00:10:29,740 who might come after them. 215 00:10:29,740 --> 00:10:31,220 (CHUCKLES) I mean, we're just laughing. 216 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:32,860 You can't make this shit up. Mm-hm. 217 00:10:34,260 --> 00:10:36,540 What are you thinking 218 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:41,620 when the President of the United States is enunciating this idea? 219 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:41,860 when the President of the United "He's a fucking idiot." 220 00:10:41,860 --> 00:10:43,820 "He's a fucking idiot." 221 00:10:43,820 --> 00:10:45,300 He's just a fucking idiot. 222 00:10:45,300 --> 00:10:47,220 I'm a lifelong conservative. 223 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:47,460 I am more Republican I'm a lifelong conservative. 224 00:10:47,460 --> 00:10:50,460 I am more Republican than Donald Trump. 225 00:10:50,460 --> 00:10:50,700 I am more Republican He is not a conservative. 226 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:52,380 He is not a conservative. 227 00:10:52,380 --> 00:10:54,620 But putting politics aside, 228 00:10:54,620 --> 00:10:58,700 engaging with the man, you realise he's an idiot. 229 00:10:58,700 --> 00:11:03,260 Miles Taylor is like one of the nasty girls from Glee, OK? 230 00:11:03,260 --> 00:11:06,260 He makes himself out to be a big deal. He wasn't. 231 00:11:10,460 --> 00:11:11,860 Greetings. I'm Sebastian Gorka. 232 00:11:11,860 --> 00:11:15,220 I served as Deputy Assistant for Strategy to President Trump. 233 00:11:15,220 --> 00:11:17,500 I'm the host of the America First radio show 234 00:11:17,500 --> 00:11:17,740 I'm the host in the United States. 235 00:11:17,740 --> 00:11:19,020 in the United States. 236 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:29,060 To Donald Trump's most rusted-on supporters like Sebastian Gorka, 237 00:11:29,060 --> 00:11:31,540 Miles Taylor isn't a whistleblower. 238 00:11:31,540 --> 00:11:32,820 He's a traitor. 239 00:11:32,820 --> 00:11:34,860 This is where we do the shows. 240 00:11:36,900 --> 00:11:40,060 That is the definition of sedition. 241 00:11:40,060 --> 00:11:40,300 The people That is the definition of sedition. 242 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:42,540 The people choose the commander-in-chief. 243 00:11:42,540 --> 00:11:47,860 What he says is the order of that administration. 244 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:48,100 What he says And then you say, 245 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:49,340 And then you say, 246 00:11:49,340 --> 00:11:49,540 "I'm going to sabotage it" - And then you say, 247 00:11:49,540 --> 00:11:51,420 "I'm going to sabotage it" - 248 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:55,020 that's a crime, that's patently obvious. 249 00:11:55,020 --> 00:11:55,300 that's a crime, that's patently obvious. So, Miles Taylor, in your opinion, should be charged with sedition. 250 00:11:55,300 --> 00:11:57,700 So, Miles Taylor, in your opinion, should be charged with sedition. 251 00:11:57,700 --> 00:11:59,220 Simple as that? Utterly. Utterly. Yeah. 252 00:12:00,620 --> 00:12:03,780 Donald Trump's list of traitors is long 253 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:06,740 and includes people who served him at the highest level, 254 00:12:06,740 --> 00:12:10,060 including a former chief of the US military 255 00:12:10,060 --> 00:12:15,220 and reportedly the man who was once his most senior security official. 256 00:12:21,020 --> 00:12:22,220 (CLEARS THROAT) 257 00:12:22,220 --> 00:12:23,380 I'm John Bolton. 258 00:12:23,380 --> 00:12:27,900 I was Donald Trump's National Security Adviser for 17 months. 259 00:12:28,820 --> 00:12:32,300 He tried to put me in jail for the book that I published, 260 00:12:32,300 --> 00:12:34,540 tried to stop the book from coming out. 261 00:12:34,540 --> 00:12:36,540 I think he doesn't forget his grudges 262 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:39,060 and I think the only consolation I have 263 00:12:39,060 --> 00:12:41,700 is that I'm part of a very long list. 264 00:12:43,740 --> 00:12:46,660 In his many security briefings with Trump, 265 00:12:46,660 --> 00:12:51,260 John Bolton found a president who was transactional and unfocused. 266 00:12:52,660 --> 00:12:57,100 He spoke on subjects of whatever kind of came into his mind, 267 00:12:57,100 --> 00:13:01,220 he didn't pay attention to intelligence briefings frequently. 268 00:13:01,220 --> 00:13:02,940 He was the one doing most of the talking 269 00:13:02,940 --> 00:13:03,180 He was the one during the intelligence briefings. 270 00:13:03,180 --> 00:13:05,180 during the intelligence briefings. 271 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:09,260 It called to mind something that Lyndon Johnson once said - 272 00:13:09,260 --> 00:13:11,780 "I don't learn very much when I'm talking." 273 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:13,700 That didn't bother Trump at all. 274 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:13,940 That didn't bother Trump at all. He had huge gaps in his knowledge of international affairs. 275 00:13:13,940 --> 00:13:17,460 He had huge gaps in his knowledge of international affairs. 276 00:13:17,460 --> 00:13:21,020 He once asked the White House Chief of Staff, John Kelly, 277 00:13:21,020 --> 00:13:23,540 if Finland were still part of Russia. 278 00:13:23,540 --> 00:13:25,140 It went downhill from there. 279 00:13:25,140 --> 00:13:27,980 He's somebody who... 280 00:13:29,220 --> 00:13:31,740 ..has no respect for intelligence... 281 00:13:34,060 --> 00:13:36,820 ..or for those that collect intelligence. 282 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:41,380 Because he's somebody who doesn't like to be told the truth. 283 00:13:41,380 --> 00:13:41,620 Because he's somebody who doesn't (PHONE RINGS) 284 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:43,100 (PHONE RINGS) 285 00:13:43,100 --> 00:13:44,460 (CHUCKLES) 286 00:13:44,460 --> 00:13:45,820 Yes?! 287 00:13:49,580 --> 00:13:51,780 I'm Leon Panetta, 288 00:13:51,780 --> 00:13:55,420 former Chief of Staff to President Clinton, 289 00:13:55,420 --> 00:13:58,420 former Director of the CIA 290 00:13:58,420 --> 00:14:02,940 and former Secretary of Defense to President Obama. 291 00:14:02,940 --> 00:14:04,260 There are few Americans 292 00:14:04,260 --> 00:14:07,260 who know more about the value of the US intelligence services 293 00:14:07,260 --> 00:14:07,500 who know more about the value than Leon Panetta - 294 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:08,740 than Leon Panetta - 295 00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:08,980 the CIA chief than Leon Panetta - 296 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:12,540 the CIA chief who got Osama bin Laden. 297 00:14:12,540 --> 00:14:15,060 He warns that a re-elected Donald Trump 298 00:14:15,060 --> 00:14:19,020 would present a grave threat to the security of the United States. 299 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:19,260 would present a grave threat It won't just be the president 300 00:14:19,260 --> 00:14:20,980 It won't just be the president 301 00:14:20,980 --> 00:14:21,180 who pays a price for stupidity. It won't just be the president 302 00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:24,060 who pays a price for stupidity. 303 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:28,860 It'll be a threat to all Americans. 304 00:14:28,860 --> 00:14:29,060 It'll be a threat to all Americans. We're facing threats from Russia, 305 00:14:29,060 --> 00:14:30,940 We're facing threats from Russia, 306 00:14:30,940 --> 00:14:32,580 threats from China, 307 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:34,220 threats from North Korea, 308 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:35,860 threats from Iran, 309 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:37,500 threats from terrorists. 310 00:14:38,660 --> 00:14:42,300 It's a dangerous world that we live in. 311 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:45,300 And if a president thinks you can hide from that 312 00:14:45,300 --> 00:14:45,540 And if a president thinks and not have to confront that... 313 00:14:45,540 --> 00:14:47,780 and not have to confront that... 314 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:51,460 ..he'll make our country vulnerable. 315 00:14:51,460 --> 00:14:53,180 I do not believe that he is capable 316 00:14:53,180 --> 00:14:56,980 of putting America's interests and American national security 317 00:14:56,980 --> 00:14:57,220 of putting America's interests ahead of his own personal interest. 318 00:14:57,220 --> 00:14:58,980 ahead of his own personal interest. 319 00:15:05,660 --> 00:15:07,300 I'm Pete Strzok. 320 00:15:07,300 --> 00:15:08,660 I was the Deputy Assistant Director 321 00:15:08,660 --> 00:15:10,900 of the FBI's Counterintelligence Division 322 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:12,660 during the first Trump administration, 323 00:15:12,660 --> 00:15:12,900 during the first and I led the investigation 324 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:14,140 and I led the investigation 325 00:15:14,140 --> 00:15:14,380 into Russia's attack and I led the investigation 326 00:15:14,380 --> 00:15:17,060 into Russia's attack on the 2016 election. 327 00:15:19,420 --> 00:15:22,540 Trump is a counterintelligence nightmare. 328 00:15:22,540 --> 00:15:26,780 He had very-well-known alleged proclivities for pretty women. 329 00:15:26,780 --> 00:15:27,020 He had very-well-known alleged He had any number 330 00:15:27,020 --> 00:15:28,260 He had any number 331 00:15:28,260 --> 00:15:28,460 of susceptibility to flattery. He had any number 332 00:15:28,460 --> 00:15:30,140 of susceptibility to flattery. 333 00:15:30,140 --> 00:15:33,820 A strange sort of affection for strongmen and authoritarians 334 00:15:33,820 --> 00:15:34,100 A strange sort of affection for strongmen and authoritarians that were, in fact, intelligence vulnerabilities. 335 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:37,140 that were, in fact, intelligence vulnerabilities. 336 00:15:40,460 --> 00:15:42,900 Pete Strzok was removed from the investigation 337 00:15:42,900 --> 00:15:45,420 into Donald Trump and alleged Russian interference 338 00:15:45,420 --> 00:15:47,660 in the 2016 presidential election 339 00:15:47,660 --> 00:15:51,380 after it was discovered that he had disparaged the then-president 340 00:15:51,380 --> 00:15:51,620 after it was discovered that in private texts. 341 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:53,460 in private texts. 342 00:15:53,460 --> 00:15:53,700 In response, Trump accused in private texts. 343 00:15:53,700 --> 00:15:57,260 In response, Trump accused the FBI veteran of treason. 344 00:15:58,260 --> 00:16:01,380 Donald Trump has called you a traitor. How did that feel? 345 00:16:01,380 --> 00:16:01,620 Donald Trump has called you Uh... (CHUCKLES) Stunning. 346 00:16:01,620 --> 00:16:03,060 Uh... (CHUCKLES) Stunning. 347 00:16:03,060 --> 00:16:03,300 I mean, I had never...I think I was, Uh... (CHUCKLES) Stunning. 348 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:06,340 I mean, I had never...I think I was, according to The Washington Post, 349 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:08,660 I was the first person, you know, dubious honour, 350 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:08,900 I was the first person, you know, that he accused of treason. 351 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:10,380 that he accused of treason. 352 00:16:10,380 --> 00:16:12,020 Of course, treason in the United States 353 00:16:12,020 --> 00:16:15,860 is one of only, I think, two or three actually enumerated crimes 354 00:16:15,860 --> 00:16:17,260 in the Constitution, 355 00:16:17,260 --> 00:16:18,940 and it carries the penalty of death. 356 00:16:21,540 --> 00:16:25,220 Those who fear what lies ahead under a re-elected Donald Trump 357 00:16:25,220 --> 00:16:28,300 point to two public statements he made five years apart 358 00:16:28,300 --> 00:16:31,740 to question the former president's allegiances. 359 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:31,980 to question Every one of... 360 00:16:31,980 --> 00:16:32,780 Every one of... 361 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:35,620 The first at a summit in Helsinki in 2018 362 00:16:35,620 --> 00:16:39,180 stunned the entire US intelligence community 363 00:16:39,180 --> 00:16:41,500 when Trump sided with Vladimir Putin 364 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:44,740 on the question of Russian interference in the US election. 365 00:16:44,740 --> 00:16:49,820 President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. 366 00:16:49,820 --> 00:16:50,060 President Putin was extremely strong He just said, "It's not Russia." 367 00:16:50,060 --> 00:16:52,300 He just said, "It's not Russia." 368 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:55,260 I will say this - I don't see any reason why it would be... 369 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:58,140 JOHN BOLTON: Well, I remember very vividly 370 00:16:58,140 --> 00:17:00,860 sitting there in the front row of the audience, 371 00:17:00,860 --> 00:17:04,380 watching this, thinking to myself, "My God, what are we gonna do now?" 372 00:17:04,380 --> 00:17:08,780 My jaw hit the floor. I mean, that is an abhorrent statement to make. 373 00:17:08,780 --> 00:17:11,780 (REPORTERS CLAMOUR) 374 00:17:11,780 --> 00:17:16,100 LEON PANETTA: That, in my mind, was a total surrender... 375 00:17:16,100 --> 00:17:16,340 LEON PANETTA: That, in my mind, Thank you so much. 376 00:17:16,340 --> 00:17:17,380 Thank you so much. 377 00:17:17,380 --> 00:17:20,620 ..to our greatest adversary, which is Russia. 378 00:17:21,900 --> 00:17:25,020 And, so, I'm looking at somebody 379 00:17:25,020 --> 00:17:27,940 who will be willing to let a tyrant 380 00:17:27,940 --> 00:17:30,940 do whatever he wants in the world. 381 00:17:30,940 --> 00:17:35,140 And that's not what America is all about. 382 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:41,860 Trump later claimed he misspoke in the press conference with Putin. 383 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:42,100 Trump later claimed he misspoke But then came his second statement 384 00:17:42,100 --> 00:17:43,780 But then came his second statement 385 00:17:43,780 --> 00:17:47,260 that shocked US lawmakers and the intelligence community 386 00:17:47,260 --> 00:17:50,380 when he said this year that, if re-elected, 387 00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:53,780 he would encourage Russia to attack NATO allies 388 00:17:53,780 --> 00:17:54,020 he would encourage Russia who fail to pay their way. 389 00:17:54,020 --> 00:17:56,700 who fail to pay their way. 390 00:17:56,700 --> 00:18:00,460 "Well, Sir, if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia, 391 00:18:00,460 --> 00:18:00,700 "Well, Sir, if we don't pay "will you protect us?" 392 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:01,940 "will you protect us?" 393 00:18:01,940 --> 00:18:05,500 I said, "You didn't pay. You're delinquent." 394 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:07,820 He said, "Yes. Let's say that happened." 395 00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:08,060 He said, "No, I would not protect you. 396 00:18:08,060 --> 00:18:09,460 "No, I would not protect you. 397 00:18:09,460 --> 00:18:12,580 "In fact, I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. 398 00:18:12,580 --> 00:18:15,420 "You gotta pay. You gotta pay your bills." 399 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:16,180 (CHEERING) 400 00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:19,780 LEON PANETTA: That is not just the stupidest statement 401 00:18:19,780 --> 00:18:20,020 LEON PANETTA: That is I've heard somebody make, 402 00:18:20,020 --> 00:18:22,700 I've heard somebody make, 403 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:22,900 it also, frankly, I've heard somebody make, 404 00:18:22,900 --> 00:18:26,020 it also, frankly, 405 00:18:26,020 --> 00:18:29,980 borders on being a traitor to our country. 406 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:30,220 borders on being a traitor to our country. I mean, to basically say 407 00:18:30,220 --> 00:18:31,980 I mean, to basically say 408 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:35,380 that an enemy, an adversary like Russia 409 00:18:35,380 --> 00:18:38,300 ought to be able to attack other NATO countries 410 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:41,300 and that we're not gonna do anything about it 411 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:43,540 I think betrays our country. 412 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:45,300 You don't pay your bills, you get no protection. 413 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:48,580 JOHN BOLTON: That is tantamount to inviting aggression by Russia. 414 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:51,620 And you can bet that they took due note of it, 415 00:18:51,620 --> 00:18:54,340 not only in the Kremlin, but in Beijing as well. 416 00:18:56,340 --> 00:18:57,820 The NATO alliance 417 00:18:57,820 --> 00:19:01,140 is the most powerful military alliance in history. 418 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:01,380 Forged in the wake of World War II, is the most powerful military alliance in history. 419 00:19:01,380 --> 00:19:03,220 Forged in the wake of World War II, 420 00:19:03,220 --> 00:19:06,340 one of its central tenets is that signatories: 421 00:19:13,580 --> 00:19:16,900 JOHN BOLTON: If he carries through, as I fear he will, 422 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:20,700 on his many-times-repeated threats to withdraw from NATO, 423 00:19:20,700 --> 00:19:24,340 I think it would be a catastrophic decision. 424 00:19:24,340 --> 00:19:24,580 I think it would be The damage could be irreversible. 425 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:27,060 The damage could be irreversible. 426 00:19:31,860 --> 00:19:35,300 Russia knows that the outcome of the November election in the US 427 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:39,340 will have massive repercussions for its own foreign ambitions, 428 00:19:39,340 --> 00:19:39,580 will have massive repercussions most of all its invasion of Ukraine. 429 00:19:39,580 --> 00:19:42,660 most of all its invasion of Ukraine. 430 00:19:43,620 --> 00:19:46,820 Donald Trump's former acting Homeland Security Secretary 431 00:19:46,820 --> 00:19:47,060 Donald Trump's former echoes his old boss 432 00:19:47,060 --> 00:19:48,660 echoes his old boss 433 00:19:48,660 --> 00:19:51,140 in questioning why America has to keep paying 434 00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:51,380 in questioning to help Ukraine defend itself. 435 00:19:51,380 --> 00:19:53,660 to help Ukraine defend itself. 436 00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:56,860 CHAD WOLF: Overall, we'd like to see that conflict 437 00:19:56,860 --> 00:19:59,060 come to a conclusion one way or another. 438 00:19:59,060 --> 00:19:59,340 What we've seen over the last several years come to a conclusion one way or another. 439 00:19:59,340 --> 00:20:01,020 What we've seen over the last several years 440 00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:02,020 of the Biden administration, 441 00:20:02,020 --> 00:20:04,660 which is more taxpayer dollars going to that conflict 442 00:20:04,660 --> 00:20:04,900 which is more taxpayer dollars without any end goal... 443 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:06,500 without any end goal... 444 00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:06,740 without any end goal... What is the goal at the end of the day? 445 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:08,540 What is the goal at the end of the day? 446 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:10,820 Instead, they continue to ask American taxpayers 447 00:20:10,820 --> 00:20:14,020 to send our treasure, which is our funding and our taxpayer funding, 448 00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:14,260 to send our treasure, which is our overseas, 449 00:20:14,260 --> 00:20:15,540 overseas, 450 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:18,820 while we have severe challenges here at home. 451 00:20:18,820 --> 00:20:22,860 And I think that's when we get back to that America First approach. 452 00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:30,500 If Trump were to essentially conspire with Putin... 453 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:33,860 ..to allow Ukraine to fall... 454 00:20:34,820 --> 00:20:37,140 ..he would be planting the seed 455 00:20:37,140 --> 00:20:37,380 for Putin ..he would be planting the seed 456 00:20:37,380 --> 00:20:42,500 for Putin moving into other democracies 457 00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:42,740 for Putin to try to get rid of them as well. 458 00:20:42,740 --> 00:20:44,460 to try to get rid of them as well. 459 00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:47,580 So, it's a frightening prospect. 460 00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:53,460 Much has been made of Donald Trump's apparent admiration for autocrats 461 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:56,580 like Vladimir Putin, Turkey's Recep Tayyip Erdogan 462 00:20:56,580 --> 00:20:56,820 like Vladimir Putin, and North Korea's Kim Jong Un. 463 00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:59,060 and North Korea's Kim Jong Un. 464 00:21:02,020 --> 00:21:03,180 I'm Gordon Sondland. 465 00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:07,380 I served as the United States Ambassador to the European Union 466 00:21:07,380 --> 00:21:11,060 from 2018 until 2020 467 00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:13,260 in the Trump administration. 468 00:21:16,540 --> 00:21:18,020 Gordon Sondland believes 469 00:21:18,020 --> 00:21:18,260 that a re-elected Donald Trump Gordon Sondland believes 470 00:21:18,260 --> 00:21:20,620 that a re-elected Donald Trump would be no pushover 471 00:21:20,620 --> 00:21:24,780 when it comes to standing up to dictators and despots. 472 00:21:24,780 --> 00:21:25,020 when it comes to standing up I found two Donald Trumps. 473 00:21:25,020 --> 00:21:27,260 I found two Donald Trumps. 474 00:21:27,260 --> 00:21:31,540 I found the show that was made for public consumption, 475 00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:33,340 and then I found the reality 476 00:21:33,340 --> 00:21:33,580 of sitting in small meetings, and then I found the reality 477 00:21:33,580 --> 00:21:38,300 of sitting in small meetings, sitting in the car with him. 478 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:40,900 I remember being with President Trump 479 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:44,180 shortly after he met with Kim Jong Un, 480 00:21:44,180 --> 00:21:49,300 and the media was excoriating him over being too friendly, 481 00:21:49,300 --> 00:21:54,100 over not understanding what really North Korea is all about, 482 00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:59,060 as if, you know, he was seduced by this short Korean man 483 00:21:59,060 --> 00:21:59,300 as if, you know, he was seduced who is a murderer and a thug. 484 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,540 who is a murderer and a thug. 485 00:22:01,540 --> 00:22:02,980 And we were in the car 486 00:22:02,980 --> 00:22:03,220 and I said, "Mr President, cutting through the bullshit, And we were in the car 487 00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:07,500 and I said, "Mr President, cutting through the bullshit, 488 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,820 "tell me about Kim Jong Un." 489 00:22:09,820 --> 00:22:10,060 "tell me about Kim Jong Un." And he looked at me with a smile and he said, 490 00:22:10,060 --> 00:22:12,340 And he looked at me with a smile and he said, 491 00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:14,860 "If that motherfucker had a knife, 492 00:22:14,860 --> 00:22:17,900 "he could have gored me in the stomach." 493 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,140 That told me everything I needed to know 494 00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:24,060 about his soberness when it came to these people. 495 00:22:24,060 --> 00:22:24,300 about his soberness (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 496 00:22:24,300 --> 00:22:25,380 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 497 00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:28,380 Trump's critics warn that he not only admires dictators 498 00:22:28,380 --> 00:22:28,620 Trump's critics warn but that he wants to be one. 499 00:22:28,620 --> 00:22:29,860 but that he wants to be one. 500 00:22:29,860 --> 00:22:30,100 I want to close the border but that he wants to be one. 501 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:32,820 I want to close the border and I want to drill, 502 00:22:32,820 --> 00:22:33,060 I want to close the border drill, drill. 503 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:34,220 drill, drill. 504 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:36,620 And they point to his own words 505 00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:39,100 when he was asked this year about what he would do 506 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:40,540 if he regained the presidency. 507 00:22:40,540 --> 00:22:42,460 He says, "You're not gonna be a dictator, are you?" 508 00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:45,260 I said, "No, no, no, other than day one. 509 00:22:45,260 --> 00:22:48,220 "We're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling." 510 00:22:48,220 --> 00:22:50,580 After that, I'm not a dictator, OK? (CHEERING) 511 00:22:50,580 --> 00:22:52,980 ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: So, when he says he's a dictator for a day, 512 00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:55,260 he really means, "Look, I want to be dictator for life. 513 00:22:55,260 --> 00:22:59,060 "I want to create a dynasty here for myself and my family. 514 00:22:59,060 --> 00:22:59,300 "I want to create a dynasty here "And I'm a human wrecking ball." 515 00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:01,300 "And I'm a human wrecking ball." 516 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:03,180 President Trump, you know, 517 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:06,780 he's taken this whole phoney narrative about dictator, 518 00:23:06,780 --> 00:23:09,940 which I explained to you is gonna be the furthest thing from the truth... 519 00:23:09,940 --> 00:23:14,100 You know, we're trying to resurrect the last smidgens of democracy here. 520 00:23:14,100 --> 00:23:17,020 But, you know, he said, you know, tongue in cheek, 521 00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:18,740 "I'll be a dictator on two issues. 522 00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:20,500 "One is energy, 523 00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,020 "but, two, the border - we're gonna shut the border down." 524 00:23:23,020 --> 00:23:26,300 We just wanna say 'mate'. We never get to say 'mate'. 525 00:23:26,300 --> 00:23:27,780 Very partial to Australians. 526 00:23:27,780 --> 00:23:29,980 (CHUCKLES) (CREW SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY) 527 00:23:29,980 --> 00:23:30,220 (CHUCKLES) Hi. I'm Paul Dans. 528 00:23:30,220 --> 00:23:31,340 Hi. I'm Paul Dans. 529 00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:35,860 I'm director of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project, 530 00:23:35,860 --> 00:23:38,140 otherwise known as Project 2025. 531 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:38,380 I previously served otherwise known as Project 2025. 532 00:23:38,380 --> 00:23:40,380 I previously served under Donald Trump 533 00:23:40,380 --> 00:23:44,340 as his Chief of Staff at the Office of Personnel Management 534 00:23:44,340 --> 00:23:44,580 as his Chief of Staff at in his first term. 535 00:23:44,580 --> 00:23:46,220 in his first term. 536 00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:49,900 This is Paul Dans' first Australian television interview. 537 00:23:51,580 --> 00:23:54,020 He heads a coalition of conservative groups 538 00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:57,620 that's planning to help Donald Trump reshape democracy 539 00:23:57,620 --> 00:23:57,860 that's planning to help Donald Trump and to give him more power 540 00:23:57,860 --> 00:23:59,300 and to give him more power 541 00:23:59,300 --> 00:24:03,740 than any other peacetime president in American history. 542 00:24:03,740 --> 00:24:07,660 It's known simply as Project 2025. 543 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:10,980 Just to be clear, is it officially aligned 544 00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:11,220 Just to be clear, or sanctioned by his campaign? 545 00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:12,660 or sanctioned by his campaign? 546 00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:13,900 It's not officially. 547 00:24:13,900 --> 00:24:14,860 You know, we are 548 00:24:14,860 --> 00:24:15,060 over 107 major organisations You know, we are 549 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:17,900 over 107 major organisations 550 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:21,180 as a coalition coming together. 551 00:24:21,180 --> 00:24:21,420 as a coalition coming together. So, many of us did come from prior service in the Trump administration. 552 00:24:21,420 --> 00:24:24,700 So, many of us did come from prior service in the Trump administration. 553 00:24:26,180 --> 00:24:28,620 There's even a 920-page 554 00:24:28,620 --> 00:24:30,300 publicly available playbook 555 00:24:30,300 --> 00:24:33,460 outlining plans to transform the presidency, 556 00:24:33,460 --> 00:24:33,700 including to give Donald Trump to transform the presidency, 557 00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:35,420 including to give Donald Trump 558 00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:36,740 unprecedented reach 559 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:39,140 to take on his political enemies. 560 00:24:52,260 --> 00:24:55,340 Project 2025 accuses this ruling class 561 00:24:55,340 --> 00:24:59,060 of faceless civil servants and unelected mandarins 562 00:24:59,060 --> 00:25:01,580 of thwarting Donald Trump's first-term agenda. 563 00:25:01,580 --> 00:25:01,820 of thwarting (CHEERING) 564 00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:03,060 (CHEERING) 565 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:04,740 To the former president, 566 00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:07,220 it's a cancer in the heart of American government 567 00:25:07,220 --> 00:25:09,860 that he calls the 'deep state'. 568 00:25:09,860 --> 00:25:13,620 Either the deep state destroys America 569 00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:13,860 Either the deep state or we destroy the deep state. 570 00:25:13,860 --> 00:25:16,540 or we destroy the deep state. 571 00:25:16,540 --> 00:25:18,020 That's the way it's gotta be. 572 00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:20,420 (CHEERING) 573 00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:22,060 SEBASTIAN GORKA: Now, when we came in, 574 00:25:22,060 --> 00:25:24,300 I didn't use the phrase 'deep state.' 575 00:25:24,300 --> 00:25:26,140 I thought it was a little bit tinfoil-hatty, 576 00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:26,380 I thought and I'm not gonna use that. 577 00:25:26,380 --> 00:25:27,700 and I'm not gonna use that. 578 00:25:27,700 --> 00:25:28,980 Then I saw it. 579 00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:29,220 It is stunning how the unelected bureaucracy Then I saw it. 580 00:25:29,220 --> 00:25:33,540 It is stunning how the unelected bureaucracy 581 00:25:33,540 --> 00:25:35,580 thought they had a right 582 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:35,780 thought they had a right to blockade a man 583 00:25:35,780 --> 00:25:38,020 to blockade a man 584 00:25:38,020 --> 00:25:40,700 chosen by 63 million Americans to be the president. 585 00:25:40,700 --> 00:25:42,260 It was stunning. It's truly stunning. 586 00:25:42,260 --> 00:25:42,500 It was stunning. (TRAFFIC BUZZES) 587 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,900 (TRAFFIC BUZZES) 588 00:25:44,900 --> 00:25:47,780 ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: They want to disband or let go 589 00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:51,140 tens of thousands of government employees. 590 00:25:51,140 --> 00:25:54,180 They've got their legions of followers 591 00:25:54,180 --> 00:25:58,540 believing this great paranoia that we live in a deep-state society, 592 00:25:58,540 --> 00:26:01,740 which is, of course, a bunch of complete nonsense. 593 00:26:02,980 --> 00:26:04,300 (INAUDIBLE DIALOGUE) 594 00:26:06,100 --> 00:26:07,660 I'm Anthony Scaramucci. 595 00:26:07,660 --> 00:26:10,580 I was an acquaintance of Donald Trump for 20 years. 596 00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:13,740 When he was elected as president-elect 597 00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:18,260 he named me to his 16-person executive transition team. 598 00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:23,220 And for 11 days in the White House in the month of July of 2017 599 00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:23,460 And for 11 days in the White House I was his Communications Director. 600 00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:25,380 I was his Communications Director. 601 00:26:27,580 --> 00:26:31,100 From being a supporter and a mouthpiece for Donald Trump, 602 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:36,340 Anthony Scaramucci is now one of his fiercest and most outspoken critics. 603 00:26:36,340 --> 00:26:38,380 He believes Project 2025, 604 00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:40,180 with its plan to stack the public service 605 00:26:40,180 --> 00:26:40,420 with its plan with an army of Trump loyalists, 606 00:26:40,420 --> 00:26:42,340 with an army of Trump loyalists, 607 00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:45,460 will propel America into a dystopian future. 608 00:26:49,180 --> 00:26:52,220 These are nonsensical un-Americans. 609 00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:57,980 OK? They're against the values that the society has lived by. 610 00:26:57,980 --> 00:26:58,220 OK? They're against the values that the society has lived by. They're gonna stress the system 611 00:26:58,220 --> 00:27:00,260 They're gonna stress the system 612 00:27:00,260 --> 00:27:02,180 in a way that it hasn't been stressed 613 00:27:02,180 --> 00:27:03,500 since the American Civil War, 614 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:06,180 and it's gonna be hard on the country 615 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:06,420 and it's gonna be hard because, you know, we're polarised. 616 00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:09,940 because, you know, we're polarised. 617 00:27:09,940 --> 00:27:11,340 On Inauguration Day... 618 00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:12,260 The four years ahead... 619 00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:13,420 Seems like an eternity. 620 00:27:13,420 --> 00:27:14,420 It's not. 621 00:27:14,420 --> 00:27:17,740 Because the left has engineered our government and institutions... 622 00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:17,980 Because the left has engineered To reject conservative ideology. 623 00:27:17,980 --> 00:27:19,780 To reject conservative ideology. 624 00:27:19,780 --> 00:27:20,020 Project 2025 is a new paradigm in helping a conservative president To reject conservative ideology. 625 00:27:20,020 --> 00:27:24,340 Project 2025 is a new paradigm in helping a conservative president 626 00:27:24,340 --> 00:27:27,020 be ready to govern day one. 627 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:30,460 This is really an attempt by us as a movement 628 00:27:30,460 --> 00:27:30,700 This is really an attempt to come together and get ready. 629 00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:32,900 to come together and get ready. 630 00:27:32,900 --> 00:27:34,180 It's a preparation. 631 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:39,700 And preparation has been underway for more than two years. 632 00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:55,540 Project 2025 isn't some rabble operation. 633 00:27:55,540 --> 00:28:00,700 It's run by the influential and conservative Heritage Foundation. 634 00:28:03,780 --> 00:28:06,180 And it's already started vetting and training 635 00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:06,460 And it's already started vetting and training thousands of possible Trump appointees 636 00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:08,860 thousands of possible Trump appointees 637 00:28:08,860 --> 00:28:09,100 thousands from across the United States. 638 00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:10,580 from across the United States. 639 00:28:14,660 --> 00:28:16,340 We don't want the most successful person. 640 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:21,180 We want the person who keeps getting knocked down and is indefatigable. 641 00:28:21,180 --> 00:28:21,460 We want the person who keeps getting knocked down and is indefatigable. I mean, I actually think of Aussies a lot like that, 642 00:28:21,460 --> 00:28:23,820 I mean, I actually think of Aussies a lot like that, 643 00:28:23,820 --> 00:28:25,980 that they're always popping up to the top 644 00:28:25,980 --> 00:28:28,700 and they have this kind of shit-eating grin on their face. 645 00:28:28,700 --> 00:28:33,340 And it's like...that is, like, the kind of happy warrior that we want. 646 00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:33,580 And it's like...that is, like, the And have you got people signing up? 647 00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:35,140 And have you got people signing up? 648 00:28:35,140 --> 00:28:38,020 You've got recruits on the go? Oh, yes, very much so. 649 00:28:38,020 --> 00:28:42,620 We have a database with over 10,000 people from all walks of life, 650 00:28:42,620 --> 00:28:45,340 you know, entering into this, aspiring to serve. 651 00:28:46,860 --> 00:28:49,420 ERICA NEWLAND: What Donald Trump wants are political stooges 652 00:28:49,420 --> 00:28:52,380 who will be loyal not to the Office of the President 653 00:28:52,380 --> 00:28:54,020 but to the person of the president 654 00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:58,020 and whatever his dreams or whims are. 655 00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:07,540 My name is Erica Newland. 656 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:07,780 I was an attorney at the Department My name is Erica Newland. 657 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:10,940 I was an attorney at the Department of Justice under Donald Trump, 658 00:29:10,940 --> 00:29:13,020 and now I work for Protect Democracy, 659 00:29:13,020 --> 00:29:17,980 where I try to protect our country from the authoritarian threat. 660 00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:24,060 Erica Newland has investigated Project 2025, 661 00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:26,860 and she says it will deliver Trump a band of loyalists 662 00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:27,100 and she says it will deliver Trump eager to carry out his agenda. 663 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,620 eager to carry out his agenda. 664 00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:33,580 What sort of questions do they ask potential appointees? 665 00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:36,380 Here - let me read you a few of those questions. 666 00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:38,340 They ask them to weigh in 667 00:29:38,340 --> 00:29:39,980 on whether the president 668 00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:43,340 should be able to advance his or her agenda through the bureaucracy 669 00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:45,860 without hindrance from unelected federal officials. 670 00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:47,780 And that's a dog whistle, of course. 671 00:29:47,780 --> 00:29:48,020 And then they ask whether you agree And that's a dog whistle, of course. 672 00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:52,300 And then they ask whether you agree that the federal government 673 00:29:52,300 --> 00:29:55,420 should recognise only two unchanging sexes - male and female - 674 00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:55,660 should recognise only two unchanging as a matter of policy. 675 00:29:55,660 --> 00:29:56,900 as a matter of policy. 676 00:29:56,900 --> 00:30:00,220 So, what do those sort of questions say to you about the sort of people 677 00:30:00,220 --> 00:30:02,260 that Project 2025 wants to recruit? 678 00:30:02,260 --> 00:30:04,740 They want people who are unswervingly loyal 679 00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:06,980 to the Trump agenda, to his vision 680 00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:08,820 and to him as a person 681 00:30:08,820 --> 00:30:13,340 as well as to his and the movement's goal 682 00:30:13,340 --> 00:30:20,100 of subordinating those who don't look or sound like them. 683 00:30:20,100 --> 00:30:24,020 And what will be left will be the grifters and the sycophants. 684 00:30:24,020 --> 00:30:26,260 Whatever his worst impulses of the day, 685 00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:26,500 Whatever his worst impulses they will facilitate it 686 00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:27,940 they will facilitate it 687 00:30:27,940 --> 00:30:29,420 and will enable it. 688 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:32,780 Hi. I'm former congressman Charlie Dent 689 00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:35,380 of Pennsylvania's 15th congressional district. 690 00:30:35,380 --> 00:30:39,140 I served nearly 14 years in the Congress, seven terms, 691 00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:40,380 and I did have a few run-ins 692 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:42,300 with our former president, Donald Trump. 693 00:30:45,020 --> 00:30:48,420 Charlie Dent was one of the few Republicans in Congress 694 00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:50,420 who stood up to Trump as president. 695 00:30:51,580 --> 00:30:56,260 I'm afraid, if Trump were to win in 2024, 696 00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:56,500 I'm afraid, those types of people, those adults, 697 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:58,980 those types of people, those adults, 698 00:30:58,980 --> 00:31:00,780 those people who would try 699 00:31:00,780 --> 00:31:02,620 to, you know, put some checks 700 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:04,100 and restrain the worst impulses 701 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:05,580 on the president 702 00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:07,100 won't be there. 703 00:31:09,140 --> 00:31:13,420 The central principle behind many of Project 2025's policies 704 00:31:13,420 --> 00:31:15,820 is that a democratically elected president 705 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:16,060 is that is the American people's proxy, 706 00:31:16,060 --> 00:31:17,940 is the American people's proxy, 707 00:31:17,940 --> 00:31:21,860 meaning it's the job of the thousands of unelected civil servants 708 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:22,100 meaning it's the job of the thousands to carry out Trump's orders 709 00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,060 to carry out Trump's orders 710 00:31:24,060 --> 00:31:25,820 without question. 711 00:31:34,780 --> 00:31:36,740 SEBASTIAN GORKA: You do have the First Amendment, 712 00:31:36,740 --> 00:31:39,780 but you can't encourage people to do acts 713 00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:42,340 that are in contravention of the Constitution. 714 00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:45,260 You can't come into an administration 715 00:31:45,260 --> 00:31:45,500 You can't and then sabotage the things 716 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:49,820 and then sabotage the things 717 00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:53,460 the man elected by the people 718 00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:55,860 has said we will do. 719 00:31:58,340 --> 00:32:00,340 CHAD WOLF: What we saw during the Trump administration 720 00:32:00,340 --> 00:32:03,820 is you saw career officials disagreeing with the president, 721 00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:06,820 disagreeing in the sense and even going so far as to say, 722 00:32:06,820 --> 00:32:09,740 "I'm going to disrupt or sabotage your agenda." 723 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:12,580 I'm just looking at you? Yeah. 724 00:32:12,580 --> 00:32:12,820 I'm just looking at you? OK. 725 00:32:12,820 --> 00:32:13,900 OK. 726 00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:16,380 I'm Chad Wolf. I'm the former acting Secretary 727 00:32:16,380 --> 00:32:18,740 of the Department of Homeland Security under President Trump. 728 00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:18,980 of the Department of Homeland I'm the current executive director 729 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:20,180 I'm the current executive director 730 00:32:20,180 --> 00:32:22,860 of the America First Policy Institute. 731 00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:27,420 Former cabinet secretary Chad Wolf remains a Trump loyalist 732 00:32:27,420 --> 00:32:31,700 and is ready to serve once again if his old boss wins in November. 733 00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,780 The America First Policy Institute he now leads 734 00:32:34,780 --> 00:32:35,020 The America First Policy Institute is full of pro-Trump populists 735 00:32:35,020 --> 00:32:37,260 is full of pro-Trump populists 736 00:32:37,260 --> 00:32:39,900 who all share Project 2025's vision 737 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:43,220 of a civil service stacked with true believers. 738 00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:46,300 To achieve this, 739 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,500 they're proposing a re-elected Donald Trump 740 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:48,740 they're proposing brings in what's called Schedule F, 741 00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:50,980 brings in what's called Schedule F, 742 00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:52,420 an executive order 743 00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:52,660 that would allow the president an executive order 744 00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:55,900 that would allow the president to fire people at will. 745 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:56,180 And the idea with Schedule F is very, very simple, that would allow the president to fire people at will. 746 00:32:56,180 --> 00:32:57,860 And the idea with Schedule F is very, very simple, 747 00:32:57,860 --> 00:33:00,540 which is if you're in a policy-making role 748 00:33:00,540 --> 00:33:02,180 and you're working against the president, 749 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:02,420 and you're working against the president, we have the ability to remove you 750 00:33:02,420 --> 00:33:04,060 we have the ability to remove you 751 00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:04,300 because that's how it should be, we have the ability to remove you 752 00:33:04,300 --> 00:33:05,740 because that's how it should be, right? 753 00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,500 After a campaign was launched by the Democrats 754 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:14,580 warning of the dangers of Project 2025 to democracy, 755 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:17,660 Donald Trump tried to distance himself from the group, 756 00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:17,900 Donald Trump tried insisting he knows nothing about it, 757 00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:19,940 insisting he knows nothing about it, 758 00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:24,540 despite reports his campaign has been briefed by its officials. 759 00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:26,580 Have you spoken with President Trump? 760 00:33:26,580 --> 00:33:26,820 Have you spoken Do you have a relationship with him? 761 00:33:26,820 --> 00:33:28,380 Do you have a relationship with him? 762 00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:29,940 Well, sure, in my personal capacity, 763 00:33:29,940 --> 00:33:31,660 I'm a, you know, Trump supporter 764 00:33:31,660 --> 00:33:34,140 and have been down to Mar-a-Lago many times. 765 00:33:34,140 --> 00:33:38,220 But, you know, we have integration with folks on the campaign. 766 00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:41,740 The reality is, yes, we often, you know, supply ideas 767 00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:46,740 and ultimately we hope to offer personal suggestions. 768 00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:48,420 This is really gonna be the engine room 769 00:33:48,420 --> 00:33:48,660 This is really for the next administration. 770 00:33:48,660 --> 00:33:49,900 for the next administration. 771 00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:54,060 Many of these folks served and will be called upon to serve again. 772 00:33:54,060 --> 00:33:56,900 And I know President Trump's team will be receptive of it. 773 00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:57,140 And I know President Trump's team (CHEERING) 774 00:33:57,140 --> 00:33:58,220 (CHEERING) 775 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:00,740 USA! USA! 776 00:34:00,740 --> 00:34:03,620 And Donald Trump will need an army of true believers 777 00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:05,380 if he's to implement his agenda. 778 00:34:05,380 --> 00:34:09,900 We will reverse the Biden ban on natural-gas exports. 779 00:34:09,900 --> 00:34:12,460 We're gonna drill, baby, drill. That's what we're gonna do. 780 00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:14,260 We're gonna drill, baby. (CHEERING) 781 00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:17,540 We'll drill, baby! Thank you very much. (CHUCKLES) 782 00:34:17,540 --> 00:34:19,940 I will pass landmark legislation. 783 00:34:19,940 --> 00:34:22,740 If India, China or any other country 784 00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:28,540 hits us with a 100% or 200% tariff on American-made goods, 785 00:34:28,540 --> 00:34:33,100 we will hit them with the same exact tariff. 786 00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:36,100 On day one I will sign a new executive order 787 00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:37,700 to cut federal funding 788 00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:42,220 for any school pushing critical race theory, transgender insanity 789 00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:47,220 and other inappropriate racial, sexual or political content 790 00:34:47,220 --> 00:34:47,460 and other inappropriate onto our children. 791 00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:49,740 onto our children. 792 00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:53,460 But Trump isn't just vowing to shake up policy. 793 00:34:53,460 --> 00:34:56,020 He's also promising to settle scores. 794 00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:59,020 I am your warrior. I am your justice. 795 00:34:59,020 --> 00:35:04,540 And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution. 796 00:35:04,540 --> 00:35:04,780 And for those who have been wronged I am your retribution. 797 00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:06,420 I am your retribution. 798 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:12,060 In Donald Trump's mind, there is no bigger target for retribution 799 00:35:12,060 --> 00:35:15,340 than the very agency that administers and enforces the law 800 00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:15,580 than the very agency in the United States. 801 00:35:15,580 --> 00:35:17,100 in the United States. 802 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,580 And he's vowing to dismantle this key pillar of democracy, 803 00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:22,820 the US Department of Justice. 804 00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:27,180 PAUL DANS: It's hard to find the most problematic agencies, 805 00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:31,140 but I think you'd have to put DOJ at the top. 806 00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:32,500 The reality is that agency 807 00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:37,300 is one of the key extensions of the deep state. 808 00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:43,020 So, when I came in and I realised the deep state is real... (LAUGHS) 809 00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:46,380 But I realised, of all of these agencies and departments, 810 00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:46,620 But I realised, of all the DOJ is the worst. 811 00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:47,860 the DOJ is the worst. 812 00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:50,540 The DOJ is a viper's nest 813 00:35:50,540 --> 00:35:52,700 of politically motivated individuals 814 00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:54,780 who... (SIGHS) 815 00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:56,860 ..see it as their fiefdom 816 00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:57,100 to serve the Democrat Party ..see it as their fiefdom 817 00:35:57,100 --> 00:36:00,340 to serve the Democrat Party and their buddies. 818 00:36:00,340 --> 00:36:03,940 We will completely overhaul the corrupt Department of in-Justice 819 00:36:03,940 --> 00:36:04,180 We will completely overhaul to clear out all the communists 820 00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:05,780 to clear out all the communists 821 00:36:05,780 --> 00:36:08,420 who have weaponised government activities. 822 00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:08,660 who have weaponised (CHEERING) 823 00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:10,580 (CHEERING) 824 00:36:13,820 --> 00:36:15,780 Erica Newland says she's seen 825 00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:19,900 the weaponisation of the Justice Department already. 826 00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:20,140 the weaponisation As a lawyer in Trump's first term, 827 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:22,140 As a lawyer in Trump's first term, 828 00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:22,380 her team worked to make sure As a lawyer in Trump's first term, 829 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:25,500 her team worked to make sure his presidential executive orders 830 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:25,740 her team worked to make sure were legal. 831 00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:27,180 were legal. 832 00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:30,300 The office handled orders like the so-called Muslim ban 833 00:36:30,300 --> 00:36:33,460 and the building of a wall along the border with Mexico. 834 00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:36,660 ERICA NEWLAND: That was extremely hard. 835 00:36:36,660 --> 00:36:43,540 I was helping an administration, a president, who... 836 00:36:43,540 --> 00:36:43,820 I was helping an administration, a president, who... ..did not have any concept of democracy, 837 00:36:43,820 --> 00:36:46,420 ..did not have any concept of democracy, 838 00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:49,300 who did not have any respect for the law. 839 00:36:50,260 --> 00:36:54,580 Trump's supporters accuse the DOJ of targeting the former president 840 00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:54,820 Trump's supporters accuse the DOJ with bogus investigations 841 00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:56,780 with bogus investigations 842 00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:01,460 and of stymieing both his first-term agenda and his bid for re-election. 843 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:07,300 Donald Trump has promised that if he becomes president again 844 00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:10,220 he would harness the Department of Justice 845 00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:10,460 he would harness to go after the people 846 00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:12,460 to go after the people 847 00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:17,260 he perceives as political enemies or as somehow disloyal. 848 00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:21,220 I will appoint a real special prosecutor 849 00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:23,540 to go after the most corrupt president 850 00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:26,500 in the history of the United States of America, 851 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:26,740 in the history Joe Biden... 852 00:37:26,740 --> 00:37:27,780 Joe Biden... 853 00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:29,620 (CHEERING) 854 00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:32,380 ..and the entire Biden crime family. 855 00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:36,580 And then there's the long list of those he has accused of treason. 856 00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:39,260 We've talked about Trump pursuing his enemies. 857 00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:41,620 One of those he wants retribution against 858 00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:43,020 is the sitting president, Joe Biden. 859 00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:46,900 He said he will appoint a special prosecutor to go after Joe Biden. 860 00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:48,580 Do you think he'll come after you as well? 861 00:37:48,580 --> 00:37:48,820 Do you think I think there's a chance of that. 862 00:37:48,820 --> 00:37:50,060 I think there's a chance of that. 863 00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:50,260 Nobody can accurately say I think there's a chance of that. 864 00:37:50,260 --> 00:37:52,300 Nobody can accurately say 865 00:37:52,300 --> 00:37:52,540 how far Donald Trump Nobody can accurately say 866 00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:55,180 how far Donald Trump would be willing to go 867 00:37:55,180 --> 00:37:55,420 how far Donald Trump to go after his enemies 868 00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:56,660 to go after his enemies 869 00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:56,900 to go after his enemies and what he'd be willing to do to them. 870 00:37:56,900 --> 00:37:59,220 and what he'd be willing to do to them. 871 00:37:59,220 --> 00:38:01,820 Donald Trump is an authoritarian threat to this country. 872 00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:04,780 There's a playbook that authoritarians use. 873 00:38:04,780 --> 00:38:06,500 They aggrandise executive authority. 874 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:09,180 They politicise independent institutions. 875 00:38:09,180 --> 00:38:09,420 They politicise They quash dissent. 876 00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:10,700 They quash dissent. 877 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,340 They spread misinformation. 878 00:38:12,340 --> 00:38:14,420 They target vulnerable communities. 879 00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:15,700 They corrupt elections. 880 00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:17,860 And they stoke violence. 881 00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:22,020 Donald Trump has engaged in all seven of these. 882 00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:25,180 The former president has also hinted 883 00:38:25,180 --> 00:38:30,340 he would ignore America's most sacred document, the Constitution. 884 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:50,260 ZOE LOFGREN: He said, I mean his words, 885 00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:53,780 that he intends to terminate parts of the Constitution. 886 00:38:53,780 --> 00:38:55,140 He didn't say which parts. 887 00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:57,540 He said he's gonna be a dictator. 888 00:38:57,540 --> 00:39:00,220 And then he said, "Day one." What does that even mean? 889 00:39:00,220 --> 00:39:02,900 The Constitution does not provide for that. 890 00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:09,700 I'm Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren. 891 00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:13,420 I represent the 18th congressional district in California. 892 00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:17,300 I served as a manager for the first Trump impeachment, 893 00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:21,260 and I served as a member of the January 6 committee 894 00:39:21,260 --> 00:39:23,780 that uncovered the fact 895 00:39:23,780 --> 00:39:28,300 that Trump was at the centre of a wide-ranging conspiracy 896 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,060 to overturn the American government. 897 00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:36,020 Veteran Democratic Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren 898 00:39:36,020 --> 00:39:39,620 says it would be folly to brush off Donald Trump's apocalyptic rhetoric 899 00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:39,860 says it would be folly to brush off as hyperbole or showmanship. 900 00:39:39,860 --> 00:39:42,660 as hyperbole or showmanship. 901 00:39:42,660 --> 00:39:46,700 He said that he plans to send the military out into the country 902 00:39:46,700 --> 00:39:51,100 to round up people I guess who look like immigrants 903 00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:52,340 and put them in camps. 904 00:39:52,340 --> 00:39:55,300 So, it's a shocking proposal. 905 00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:56,820 But one of the things I learned 906 00:39:56,820 --> 00:39:57,020 serving on the January 6 committee But one of the things I learned 907 00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:58,740 serving on the January 6 committee 908 00:39:58,740 --> 00:40:02,340 is to take Trump at his word 909 00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:02,580 is to take Trump at his word because he does mean to do what he says. 910 00:40:02,580 --> 00:40:04,900 because he does mean to do what he says. 911 00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:07,620 The Democrats say, "Please, don't call them animals. They're humans." 912 00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:07,860 The Democrats say, "Please, don't I said, "No, they're not humans. 913 00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:09,100 I said, "No, they're not humans. 914 00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:10,860 "They're not humans. They're animals." 915 00:40:10,860 --> 00:40:11,100 "They're not humans. (SIREN BLARES) 916 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:14,900 (SIREN BLARES) 917 00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:15,140 One message that Donald Trump repeats (SIREN BLARES) 918 00:40:15,140 --> 00:40:18,060 One message that Donald Trump repeats over and over 919 00:40:18,060 --> 00:40:20,620 is the danger posed by undocumented migrants 920 00:40:20,620 --> 00:40:20,860 is the danger posed coming over the US southern border. 921 00:40:20,860 --> 00:40:23,140 coming over the US southern border. 922 00:40:23,140 --> 00:40:27,020 I think the real number is 15, 16 million people into our country... 923 00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:30,140 It has become a rallying cry of his presidential campaign. 924 00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:32,260 They're poisoning the blood of our country. 925 00:40:32,260 --> 00:40:33,940 That's what they've done. They poison. 926 00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:34,180 That's what they've done. Mental institutions and prisons. 927 00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:36,580 Mental institutions and prisons. 928 00:40:36,580 --> 00:40:39,500 They're all over the world. They're pouring into our country. 929 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:41,300 ZOE LOFGREN: Well, you know, "poisoning the blood" - 930 00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:41,540 ZOE LOFGREN: Well, you know, that's a Hitler-esque statement. 931 00:40:41,540 --> 00:40:43,940 that's a Hitler-esque statement. 932 00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:48,940 But the man who was in charge of the border under Donald Trump 933 00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:50,380 defends the former president's rhetoric 934 00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:53,420 and says he's merely tapping into a deep fear 935 00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:56,740 about the type of people crossing into the United States. 936 00:40:58,140 --> 00:41:01,460 When you see the public-safety threats 937 00:41:01,460 --> 00:41:03,740 and the national-security threats coming across that border, 938 00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:03,980 you see gang members from Venezuela, and the national-security threats coming across that border, 939 00:41:03,980 --> 00:41:05,860 you see gang members from Venezuela, 940 00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:08,740 these are all individuals that ICE and Border Patrol pick up 941 00:41:08,740 --> 00:41:08,980 these are all individuals on a daily basis. 942 00:41:08,980 --> 00:41:10,220 on a daily basis. 943 00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:10,420 on a daily basis. These are bad individuals. 944 00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:11,700 These are bad individuals. 945 00:41:11,700 --> 00:41:15,260 We are the only developed nation in the world that has no borders. 946 00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:15,500 We are the only developed nation I mean, these numbers are quite. 947 00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:17,420 I mean, these numbers are quite. 948 00:41:17,420 --> 00:41:21,540 For normal countries these numbers are hard to ingest. 949 00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:23,940 But how is it poisoning the blood of the country? 950 00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:26,700 I want to understand that. Well, in many ways. Fentanyl. 951 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:26,940 I want to understand that. Because of Biden's border policies 952 00:41:26,940 --> 00:41:29,260 Because of Biden's border policies 953 00:41:29,260 --> 00:41:32,740 poisoning literally the blood of our nation 954 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:33,020 110,000 Americans died of drug overdoses and fentanyl. poisoning literally the blood of our nation 955 00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:37,980 110,000 Americans died of drug overdoses and fentanyl. 956 00:41:37,980 --> 00:41:38,260 110,000 Americans died of drug overdoses and fentanyl. I mean, just think of that for a second. 957 00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:40,300 I mean, just think of that for a second. 958 00:41:43,540 --> 00:41:46,740 The number of undocumented migrants coming over the southern border 959 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:46,980 The number of undocumented migrants has surged under Joe Biden. 960 00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:48,700 has surged under Joe Biden. 961 00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:51,220 According to government figures, 962 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:51,460 of the nearly 8 million people According to government figures, 963 00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:53,700 of the nearly 8 million people stopped at the border 964 00:41:53,700 --> 00:41:55,100 in the last few years, 965 00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:58,740 around 100,000, or just over 1%, 966 00:41:58,740 --> 00:42:01,060 were convicted criminals. 967 00:42:01,060 --> 00:42:02,620 When I return to the White House, 968 00:42:02,620 --> 00:42:05,820 we will stop the plunder, rape, slaughter and destruction 969 00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:08,340 of the American suburbs, cities and towns. 970 00:42:08,340 --> 00:42:11,300 We will stop the invasion on our southern border 971 00:42:11,300 --> 00:42:14,820 and begin the largest domestic deportation operation 972 00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:16,660 in American history. (CHEERING) 973 00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:19,660 ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: This is the sort of stuff that I find repulsive. 974 00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:19,900 ANTHONY SCARAMUCCI: This is the sort The Trump travel ban... 975 00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:21,060 The Trump travel ban... 976 00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:24,700 You're talking about deporting 15 million citizens, 977 00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:25,940 I mean, who the hell are YOU? 978 00:42:25,940 --> 00:42:29,220 And even if they're not citizens, even if they're illegal, 979 00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:33,420 are you gonna run around the country in some armoured car 980 00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:33,660 are you gonna run around the country like we're in The Handmaid's Tale? 981 00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:34,980 like we're in The Handmaid's Tale? 982 00:42:34,980 --> 00:42:37,460 He said very clearly, "I want to engage..." 983 00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:38,860 Yep. "in the biggest mass deportation..." 984 00:42:38,860 --> 00:42:40,700 Yeah. "..program in American history." 985 00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:40,940 Yeah. How do you even begin... 986 00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:42,620 How do you even begin... 987 00:42:42,620 --> 00:42:44,420 Yeah... ..to put forward a program 988 00:42:44,420 --> 00:42:45,860 and enact it? Well, I think it's interesting. 989 00:42:45,860 --> 00:42:48,540 Let's talk about deportations a little bit 990 00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:51,100 because I think those on the left hear that 991 00:42:51,100 --> 00:42:53,340 and say, "Oh, my God, that sounds terrible." 992 00:42:53,340 --> 00:42:55,860 I don't understand how that sounds terrible. 993 00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:58,540 The idea of deporting individuals, removing individuals 994 00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:58,780 The idea of deporting individuals, or repatriating individuals 995 00:42:58,780 --> 00:43:00,100 or repatriating individuals 996 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,580 that, again, don't have a legal right to be here 997 00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:07,740 or perhaps are here because the law has been abused to get them here, 998 00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:09,340 they need to be removed from the country. 999 00:43:09,340 --> 00:43:09,580 (BIRDS SQUAWK) they need to be removed from the country. 1000 00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:12,500 (BIRDS SQUAWK) 1001 00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:21,380 (BIRDS TWITTER) 1002 00:43:21,380 --> 00:43:23,860 Donald Trump's rhetoric in the lead up to this election 1003 00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:26,980 has invoked bloodbaths and bedlam. 1004 00:43:26,980 --> 00:43:30,500 He's spoken of retribution and revenge 1005 00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:33,900 and he's promised to dismantle and destroy. 1006 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:37,060 Having been here for a while, I get the very real sense 1007 00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:39,580 that the shock and the violence of Trump's language 1008 00:43:39,580 --> 00:43:39,820 that the shock and the violence has worn off for many Americans. 1009 00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:41,620 has worn off for many Americans. 1010 00:43:42,620 --> 00:43:44,820 But, to those who know the man, 1011 00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:46,460 there's a very real fear 1012 00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:48,300 that a re-elected Donald Trump 1013 00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:51,220 could just deliver on what he says. 1014 00:43:53,780 --> 00:43:55,660 TEMIDAYO AGANGA-WILLIAMS: Donald Trump knows 1015 00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:58,380 how to invoke emotions in people. 1016 00:43:58,380 --> 00:44:02,660 He knows how to trigger that dark side of the human spirit. 1017 00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:09,220 My name is Temidayo Aganga-Williams, 1018 00:44:09,220 --> 00:44:11,700 and I served as senior investigative counsel 1019 00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:13,620 on the House January 6 committee, 1020 00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:16,100 which investigated the facts and causes 1021 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:19,820 surrounding the attack on the US Capitol on January 6. 1022 00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:20,060 surrounding the attack RIOTER: Insanity! 1023 00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:22,300 RIOTER: Insanity! 1024 00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:22,540 They broke through! It's on! RIOTER: Insanity! 1025 00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:25,900 They broke through! It's on! You better run, cops! 1026 00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:26,140 They broke through! It's on! 6 January 2021 1027 00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:28,380 6 January 2021 1028 00:44:28,380 --> 00:44:31,980 marked the lowest point of Donald Trump's chaotic presidency. 1029 00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:32,220 marked the lowest point (INDISTINCT YELLING, BANGING) 1030 00:44:32,220 --> 00:44:34,900 (INDISTINCT YELLING, BANGING) 1031 00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:37,460 (YELLS) USA! 1032 00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:37,700 Refusing to accept his defeat (YELLS) USA! 1033 00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:41,020 Refusing to accept his defeat at the hands of Joe Biden, 1034 00:44:41,020 --> 00:44:45,020 Trump told his supporters to march on the US Capitol. 1035 00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:45,260 Trump told his supporters We fight. We fight like hell. 1036 00:44:45,260 --> 00:44:47,500 We fight. We fight like hell. 1037 00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:49,340 And if you don't fight like hell 1038 00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:51,300 you're not gonna have a country anymore. 1039 00:44:51,300 --> 00:44:51,540 (CHEERING) you're not gonna have a country anymore. 1040 00:44:51,540 --> 00:44:52,980 (CHEERING) 1041 00:44:52,980 --> 00:44:55,460 TEMIDAYO AGANGA-WILLIAMS: Leading up to the attack, 1042 00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:58,660 he had knowingly lied about the election. 1043 00:44:58,660 --> 00:44:58,940 he had knowingly lied about the election. Donald Trump did not think he won the election. 1044 00:44:58,940 --> 00:45:01,260 Donald Trump did not think he won the election. 1045 00:45:01,260 --> 00:45:03,260 He, in fact, knew he lost the election. 1046 00:45:03,260 --> 00:45:05,060 He had told people in his close circle 1047 00:45:05,060 --> 00:45:05,300 He had told people in his close circle that he had lost the election. 1048 00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:06,540 that he had lost the election. 1049 00:45:06,540 --> 00:45:09,180 So, what he did instead, rather than accept the result, 1050 00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:14,180 is that he fed lies to his supporters day in and day out, 1051 00:45:14,180 --> 00:45:16,540 and he basically whipped them up into a frenzy. 1052 00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:16,780 and he basically (INDISTINCT YELLING) 1053 00:45:16,780 --> 00:45:19,020 (INDISTINCT YELLING) 1054 00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:21,260 RIOTER: There's a gun! There's a gun! There's a gun! 1055 00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:22,260 (GUNSHOT) 1056 00:45:23,220 --> 00:45:24,820 RIOTER: Holy shit! 1057 00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:28,300 At least five people died in the attack, 1058 00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:32,220 while more than 140 police officers were injured. 1059 00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:32,460 while more than 140 police officers RIOTER: Rubber bullets everywhere. 1060 00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:33,700 RIOTER: Rubber bullets everywhere. 1061 00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:33,940 RIOTERS: (CHANT) RIOTER: Rubber bullets everywhere. 1062 00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:36,900 RIOTERS: (CHANT) Our house! Our house! 1063 00:45:38,460 --> 00:45:41,980 Democratic Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren was in the Capitol building 1064 00:45:41,980 --> 00:45:42,220 Democratic Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren as the mob surged in. 1065 00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:43,620 as the mob surged in. 1066 00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:46,420 (INDISTINCT YELLING) 1067 00:45:46,420 --> 00:45:46,660 I think we came very close to the Vice President being killed (INDISTINCT YELLING) 1068 00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:50,300 I think we came very close to the Vice President being killed 1069 00:45:50,300 --> 00:45:53,340 and probably members of Congress being killed. 1070 00:45:53,340 --> 00:45:53,620 and probably members of Congress being killed. The rioters have made it clear that's what they intended to do. 1071 00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:57,460 The rioters have made it clear that's what they intended to do. 1072 00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:57,700 The rioters have made it clear (ALARM WAILS) 1073 00:45:57,700 --> 00:46:00,260 (ALARM WAILS) 1074 00:46:00,260 --> 00:46:00,500 We came very close to an actual (ALARM WAILS) 1075 00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:05,740 We came very close to an actual overturn of the government. 1076 00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:08,060 They're coming through! Secure the doors! 1077 00:46:08,060 --> 00:46:08,300 They're coming through! (INDISTINCT YELLING) 1078 00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:09,420 (INDISTINCT YELLING) 1079 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:12,180 And clearly that's... 1080 00:46:12,180 --> 00:46:13,820 ..Trump celebrates that. 1081 00:46:13,820 --> 00:46:14,060 (JET ENGINES WHINE) ..Trump celebrates that. 1082 00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:18,100 (JET ENGINES WHINE) (SCRAMBLED DIGITAL BLEEPING) 1083 00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:21,660 Donald Trump denies inciting the January 6 riot 1084 00:46:21,660 --> 00:46:25,580 and describes the House committee investigation as a witch hunt. 1085 00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:25,820 and describes the House committee But after the attack on the Capitol 1086 00:46:25,820 --> 00:46:27,620 But after the attack on the Capitol 1087 00:46:27,620 --> 00:46:31,180 many of Trump's closest confidants deserted him, 1088 00:46:31,180 --> 00:46:34,780 believing he would never again be a political force. 1089 00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:35,020 believing he would never again (SIRENS WAIL) 1090 00:46:35,020 --> 00:46:36,140 (SIRENS WAIL) 1091 00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:38,820 Now, even those like Gordon Sondland 1092 00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:41,420 who served Trump, who was fired by Trump, 1093 00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:41,660 who served Trump, who even testified against Trump 1094 00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:43,500 who even testified against Trump 1095 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:43,740 and who said he could who even testified against Trump 1096 00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:47,100 and who said he could never forgive him over January 6, 1097 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:47,340 and who said he could are coming back into the fold. 1098 00:46:47,340 --> 00:46:49,620 are coming back into the fold. 1099 00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:49,860 Many people are agonising over this choice. are coming back into the fold. 1100 00:46:49,860 --> 00:46:52,580 Many people are agonising over this choice. 1101 00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:56,500 And do you forgive Donald Trump for what he did on January 6 1102 00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:56,740 And do you forgive Donald Trump for what he did on January 6 and vote for him 1103 00:46:56,740 --> 00:46:57,980 and vote for him 1104 00:46:57,980 --> 00:47:02,540 knowing that for four years the country was in fairly decent shape? 1105 00:47:02,540 --> 00:47:04,660 So, you're voting for Trump? Absolutely. 1106 00:47:04,660 --> 00:47:04,900 So, you're voting for Trump? The man you could never forgive? 1107 00:47:04,900 --> 00:47:06,180 The man you could never forgive? 1108 00:47:06,180 --> 00:47:09,580 Exactly. That's why it's such an agonising decision. 1109 00:47:09,580 --> 00:47:12,820 And I hope he learned his lesson from January 6. 1110 00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:24,460 In the lead up to this November's election, 1111 00:47:24,460 --> 00:47:24,700 Donald Trump has repeatedly promised to this November's election, 1112 00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:26,420 Donald Trump has repeatedly promised 1113 00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:26,660 Donald Trump has repeatedly promised his presidential powers 1114 00:47:26,660 --> 00:47:28,380 that he would use his presidential powers 1115 00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:32,460 to pardon hundreds of people convicted over the Capitol riot. 1116 00:47:32,460 --> 00:47:32,740 to pardon hundreds of people convicted over the Capitol riot. We will treat those people from January 6 fairly. 1117 00:47:32,740 --> 00:47:36,820 We will treat those people from January 6 fairly. 1118 00:47:36,820 --> 00:47:39,340 We will treat them fairly. (CHEERING) 1119 00:47:39,340 --> 00:47:43,220 And if it requires pardons, we will give them pardons. 1120 00:47:46,260 --> 00:47:49,140 So, you believe they're hostages, like President Trump? 1121 00:47:49,140 --> 00:47:51,220 Absolute political prisoners. Utterly. Utterly. 1122 00:47:51,220 --> 00:47:53,140 And you agree with the pardoning of them if... 1123 00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:55,540 Anyone who didn't, you know, hit a policeman 1124 00:47:55,540 --> 00:47:58,060 or, you know, break through the doors, 1125 00:47:58,060 --> 00:48:02,060 utterly, completely, full and unconditional pardon. Absolutely. 1126 00:48:03,780 --> 00:48:06,660 Emboldening the former president even further 1127 00:48:06,660 --> 00:48:08,700 was the Supreme Court ruling this month 1128 00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:11,660 that Donald Trump has broad immunity from prosecution 1129 00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:16,220 for official acts carried out in his role as president. 1130 00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:17,620 In a dissenting opinion, 1131 00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:23,580 one justice warned that the president is now a king above the law. 1132 00:48:23,580 --> 00:48:27,180 The decision almost certainly means Donald Trump will not go to trial 1133 00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:30,180 on charges of subverting the 2020 election 1134 00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:30,420 on charges before this November's poll. 1135 00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:32,660 before this November's poll. 1136 00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:35,220 If the case is unresolved, 1137 00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:35,460 he could direct the Department of Justice If the case is unresolved, 1138 00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:38,100 he could direct the Department of Justice 1139 00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:38,340 he could direct to not proceed with the charges. 1140 00:48:38,340 --> 00:48:40,740 to not proceed with the charges. 1141 00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:40,980 to not proceed with the charges. The new Attorney-General could order that 1142 00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:42,740 The new Attorney-General could order that 1143 00:48:42,740 --> 00:48:44,740 and could dissolve the investigation. 1144 00:48:44,740 --> 00:48:49,020 And I think it makes the election its own kind of jury 1145 00:48:49,020 --> 00:48:50,340 because I think the American people 1146 00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:53,500 will have to make a determination as to his culpability 1147 00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,860 without the benefit of a jury going first. 1148 00:48:56,860 --> 00:48:57,100 without the benefit Hello. Welcome back. 1149 00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:58,820 Hello. Welcome back. 1150 00:48:58,820 --> 00:48:59,060 Hey. We had to change. Hello. Welcome back. 1151 00:48:59,060 --> 00:49:01,740 Hey. We had to change. Use Skype now. 2-D. 1152 00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:04,260 Well, that's good. We can talk about Iran with him. 1153 00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:04,500 Well, that's good. What seems certain 1154 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:05,740 What seems certain 1155 00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:08,180 is that the next heads of crucial departments 1156 00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:10,780 that oversee the treatment of immigrants or insurrectionists 1157 00:49:10,780 --> 00:49:14,900 will be chosen by Donald Trump's most trusted allies. 1158 00:49:14,900 --> 00:49:18,620 That could very well include Sebastian Gorka, 1159 00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:22,060 who's already spoken to Trump about a possible role. 1160 00:49:22,060 --> 00:49:25,500 I said to him, "Sir, most exciting for me would be national security, 1161 00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:26,900 "but the most important would be personnel." 1162 00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:30,140 We know who the real Trump supporters are, 1163 00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:30,380 We know who America First are. 1164 00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:31,620 who America First are. 1165 00:49:31,620 --> 00:49:34,100 You know, the John Boltons who were brought in 1166 00:49:34,100 --> 00:49:38,420 and then can't wait now to go on CNN to slag off the president... 1167 00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:42,020 The John Boltons of the world will not be inside the building now. 1168 00:49:42,020 --> 00:49:42,260 The John Boltons of the world But it is the most important thing. 1169 00:49:42,260 --> 00:49:44,660 But it is the most important thing. 1170 00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:47,380 God willing, if we win - personnel, personnel, personnel. 1171 00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:47,620 God willing, if we win - Doesn't the president, though, 1172 00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:48,860 Doesn't the president, though, 1173 00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:49,100 if it's Donald Trump or whoever... Doesn't the president, though, 1174 00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:50,340 if it's Donald Trump or whoever... Yeah. 1175 00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:52,460 ..need people in there who will challenge his view 1176 00:49:52,460 --> 00:49:54,100 and sometimes say, "No, Mr President..." 1177 00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:58,540 Oh, no, this isn't a question... No, it's not a question of yes-men. 1178 00:49:58,540 --> 00:50:00,260 This is not having subversives. 1179 00:50:00,260 --> 00:50:00,460 (APPLAUSE) This is not having subversives. 1180 00:50:00,460 --> 00:50:04,540 (APPLAUSE) 1181 00:50:04,540 --> 00:50:07,100 In his inaugural speech in 2017... 1182 00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:07,300 In his inaugural speech in 2017... Please, raise your right hand. 1183 00:50:07,300 --> 00:50:08,820 Please, raise your right hand. 1184 00:50:08,820 --> 00:50:11,620 ..the newly elected president, Donald Trump, 1185 00:50:11,620 --> 00:50:14,540 vowed to end what he called American carnage. 1186 00:50:14,540 --> 00:50:17,980 I, Donald John Trump, do solemnly swear 1187 00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:18,220 I, Donald John Trump, that I will faithfully execute 1188 00:50:18,220 --> 00:50:20,740 that I will faithfully execute 1189 00:50:20,740 --> 00:50:24,260 the Office of President of the United States 1190 00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:25,580 and will to the best of my... 1191 00:50:25,580 --> 00:50:30,100 Instead, his reign brought American democracy to the brink. 1192 00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:33,700 Many believe that if Donald Trump once again wins office 1193 00:50:33,700 --> 00:50:36,900 he will push the United States over the precipice. 1194 00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:37,140 he will push the United States So help me God. 1195 00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:38,620 So help me God. 1196 00:50:38,620 --> 00:50:39,540 Congratulations. 1197 00:50:39,540 --> 00:50:47,340 (CHEERING, APPLAUSE) 1198 00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:49,980 Donald Trump does not believe in the Constitution. 1199 00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:52,260 He does not believe in the rule of law. 1200 00:50:52,260 --> 00:50:54,500 He does not believe in free and fair elections. 1201 00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:55,860 He's a liar. 1202 00:50:55,860 --> 00:50:59,100 And he doesn't believe in America as a world leader. 1203 00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:02,300 I think THAT'S what will decide the next election. 1204 00:51:08,820 --> 00:51:10,580 MILES TAYLOR: You go back and read the writings 1205 00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:10,820 MILES TAYLOR: of the founding fathers, 1206 00:51:10,820 --> 00:51:11,780 of the founding fathers, 1207 00:51:11,780 --> 00:51:14,420 they designed the system to elect the president of the United States 1208 00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:17,900 as a system to weed out nefarious individuals. 1209 00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:26,540 If Donald Trump comes into the presidency 1210 00:51:26,540 --> 00:51:28,580 intent on detonating those guardrails, 1211 00:51:28,580 --> 00:51:31,100 he's probably going to be successful. 1212 00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:34,900 He's their great white hope, or their great orange hope. 1213 00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:36,500 He is the orange wrecking ball 1214 00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:38,980 that can smash into these institutions 1215 00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:41,420 that they feel have been unfair to them. 1216 00:51:41,420 --> 00:51:41,660 that they feel He's an avatar for their anger, 1217 00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:43,220 He's an avatar for their anger, 1218 00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:45,700 and they'll stay with him no matter what. 1219 00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:48,140 He said once that he could shoot people on Fifth Avenue 1220 00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:50,700 and he wouldn't lose a sliver of support. 1221 00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:50,940 and he wouldn't lose He's right. 1222 00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:52,020 He's right. 1223 00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:54,860 (BIRD TWITTERS) 1224 00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:58,700 What do you say about the potential return of Donald Trump? 1225 00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:00,100 What do you say to your fellow Americans, 1226 00:52:00,100 --> 00:52:02,620 what it would mean for the United States, its institutions 1227 00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:02,860 what it would mean for and, of course, its democracy? 1228 00:52:02,860 --> 00:52:04,580 and, of course, its democracy? 1229 00:52:04,580 --> 00:52:08,180 I'm not sure the country will survive it, honestly. 1230 00:52:08,180 --> 00:52:13,300 If he really does intend to do the things that he says, 1231 00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:16,100 we would not have the kind of democratic republic 1232 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:18,900 that we've enjoyed for over 200 years. 1233 00:52:24,460 --> 00:52:27,100 And now that shots have been fired, 1234 00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:27,340 there are fears that the great And now that shots have been fired, 1235 00:52:27,340 --> 00:52:30,220 there are fears that the great American experiment in democracy 1236 00:52:30,220 --> 00:52:34,100 could give way to a surge in political violence. 1237 00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:37,180 CHARLIE DENT: The fear I have 1238 00:52:37,180 --> 00:52:37,420 is that, no matter CHARLIE DENT: The fear I have 1239 00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:38,860 is that, no matter what the candidates do, 1240 00:52:38,860 --> 00:52:40,220 there are gonna be people in this country 1241 00:52:40,220 --> 00:52:40,460 there are gonna be people who are gonna be very unhappy. 1242 00:52:40,460 --> 00:52:41,620 who are gonna be very unhappy. 1243 00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:43,220 And that's why I worry about civil disorder. 1244 00:52:43,220 --> 00:52:46,140 I'm not saying civil war. I'm saying civil disorder. 1245 00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:47,380 There could be, you know, 1246 00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:47,580 some kind of, you know, violent acts There could be, you know, 1247 00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:50,180 some kind of, you know, violent acts 1248 00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:52,140 that, you know, would be 1249 00:52:52,140 --> 00:52:52,340 that, you know, would be really problematic for the country. 1250 00:52:52,340 --> 00:52:54,860 really problematic for the country. 1251 00:53:00,060 --> 00:53:02,020 PAUL DANS: I think we're building a city on a hill. 1252 00:53:02,020 --> 00:53:07,140 I think this is gonna be a great culmination of our 250th birthday 1253 00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:07,380 I think this is gonna be a great and President Trump in office 1254 00:53:07,380 --> 00:53:08,740 and President Trump in office 1255 00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:14,300 really being that beacon of democracy across the entire world. 1256 00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:17,740 This is the greatest experiment in human history 1257 00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:22,540 for advancing bounty and freedom across the globe. 1258 00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:33,100 TEMIDAYO AGANGA-WILLIAMS: He's a former president 1259 00:53:33,100 --> 00:53:36,620 who led an armed rebellion against his own country, 1260 00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:38,580 an armed rebellion that, if it had succeeded, 1261 00:53:38,580 --> 00:53:38,820 an armed rebellion would have resulted in the murder 1262 00:53:38,820 --> 00:53:40,700 would have resulted in the murder 1263 00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:44,020 of sitting senators and members of Congress 1264 00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:46,620 and potentially the murder of his own vice president. 1265 00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:50,260 I think we have to talk about the threat in those terms. 1266 00:53:50,260 --> 00:53:54,540 So, he's already effectively taken up arms against his own nation. 1267 00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:56,940 The question is whether the American people 1268 00:53:56,940 --> 00:54:00,260 are gonna put him in a position of power again to finish the job. 1269 00:54:00,260 --> 00:54:00,500 are gonna put him in a position That's the real question. 1270 00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:02,460 That's the real question. 1271 00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:11,460 Next time on Four Corners - 1272 00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:14,340 the big issues dominating voters' minds. 1273 00:54:14,340 --> 00:54:16,540 So, they're heading for the end of the fence? Over. 1274 00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:16,780 So, they're heading (ON WALKIE) Affirmative. 1275 00:54:16,780 --> 00:54:17,820 (ON WALKIE) Affirmative. 1276 00:54:19,420 --> 00:54:25,900 So, the wall goes this way for about 35 miles and it ended here. 1277 00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:26,140 So, the wall goes this way for about Stop the invasion! 1278 00:54:26,140 --> 00:54:27,900 Stop the invasion! 1279 00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:29,340 This is an invasion. 1280 00:54:30,340 --> 00:54:34,780 I've been a minority my whole life. All they want is respect. 1281 00:54:34,780 --> 00:54:37,300 We've been called murderers, baby killers. 1282 00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:43,740 I'm being indicted for you - the black population. 1283 00:54:43,740 --> 00:54:45,660 It's offensive. 1284 00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:47,260 As a black man, 1285 00:54:47,260 --> 00:54:49,460 that is absolutely offensive. 1286 00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:52,180 Black men find it relatively admirable. 1287 00:54:52,180 --> 00:54:53,780 There are fears 1288 00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:58,300 that once again the election result will spark threats and violence. 1289 00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:07,020 Classy shirts for classy ladies! 1290 00:55:07,020 --> 00:55:07,220 Classy shirts for classy ladies! (LAUGHTER) 1291 00:55:07,220 --> 00:55:08,380 (LAUGHTER) 1292 00:55:08,380 --> 00:55:09,740 (ON MEGAPHONE) Fuck Joe Biden! 1293 00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:11,460 Fuck Joe Biden! 1294 00:55:12,860 --> 00:55:17,860 If we don't win this time, America is gone. America is gone. 1295 00:55:23,140 --> 00:55:25,180 (THEME MUSIC PLAYS) 1296 00:55:40,660 --> 00:55:42,660 Captions by Red Bee Media 1297 00:55:42,660 --> 00:55:42,900 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation Captions by Red Bee Media 1298 00:55:42,900 --> 00:55:44,860 Copyright Australian Broadcasting Corporation