1 00:00:00,835 --> 00:00:01,800 [Tori] Jackson, good goal! 2 00:00:01,836 --> 00:00:03,369 Previously on Little People, Big World... 3 00:00:03,404 --> 00:00:04,570 Whoo! 4 00:00:04,605 --> 00:00:08,007 It was a fun, like, first DAAA experience for our family. 5 00:00:08,042 --> 00:00:10,642 [Zach] I saw my dad and Caryn at Jackson's soccer. 6 00:00:10,678 --> 00:00:13,245 I got to meet Josiah. He's a little button. 7 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:14,546 [Matt] But Zach and Tori 8 00:00:16,117 --> 00:00:18,984 So we didn't see a lot of them. 9 00:00:19,020 --> 00:00:22,054 They were busy, you know, taking care of the kids. 10 00:00:23,958 --> 00:00:25,524 [Tori] You want a snack? 11 00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:27,860 Lilah has stuff going on with her ears 12 00:00:27,895 --> 00:00:29,495 which is, like, not good. 13 00:00:29,530 --> 00:00:32,064 So we're going to go see a ear, nose, throat doctor 14 00:00:32,099 --> 00:00:33,932 to see if it's affecting her hearing, 15 00:00:33,968 --> 00:00:36,001 delaying her speech. Know what's going on. 16 00:00:36,037 --> 00:00:37,436 [Lilah cries] 17 00:00:37,471 --> 00:00:40,706 Have you talked to Matt about this whole farm deal? 18 00:00:40,741 --> 00:00:43,042 He thinks he's owned up to all his mistakes. 19 00:00:43,077 --> 00:00:44,610 -I'm like... -[laughs] 20 00:00:44,645 --> 00:00:47,513 I think he better ask all four of us. I don't know. 21 00:00:47,548 --> 00:00:49,415 [Lisa] I know the boys are really hurt. 22 00:00:49,450 --> 00:00:51,950 I've actually had some conversations 23 00:00:51,986 --> 00:00:54,853 and their heart was into it. 24 00:00:54,889 --> 00:00:57,456 But this wasn't a "family deal". 25 00:00:57,491 --> 00:00:59,525 It was a business deal. 26 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:00,993 [Tori] Are you going to be a soccer player now? 27 00:01:04,932 --> 00:01:07,132 [Zach] I feel like he's getting close to realizing, 28 00:01:07,168 --> 00:01:08,567 like, he's different. 29 00:01:08,602 --> 00:01:10,102 He's so proud of himself. 30 00:01:10,137 --> 00:01:13,405 I hope that that doesn't break him down, you know. 31 00:01:13,441 --> 00:01:17,309 That collision of confidence and self-worth 32 00:01:17,344 --> 00:01:18,610 and then reality... 33 00:01:21,315 --> 00:01:22,581 It's coming for him. 34 00:01:22,616 --> 00:01:23,916 [Zach speaking] 35 00:01:36,997 --> 00:01:38,030 [Tori] I didn't get the memo 36 00:01:38,065 --> 00:01:39,264 that we're all wearing blue today. 37 00:01:40,534 --> 00:01:41,867 Look how cute all of you are. 38 00:01:42,303 --> 00:01:43,235 [Tori] Thank you. 39 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:44,203 -[hostess] You're welcome. -[Tori] Hi. 40 00:01:45,473 --> 00:01:46,738 [Tori] Or do you want to just sit here? 41 00:01:46,774 --> 00:01:48,540 -[Lilah] Yeah. -[Jackson] Yeah, yeah. 42 00:01:48,576 --> 00:01:50,943 -Are you going to have mac and cheese? -[Lilah] Yeah. 43 00:01:50,978 --> 00:01:52,144 Do you want mac and cheese? 44 00:01:52,179 --> 00:01:53,779 -[server] How are you guys doing today? -[Lilah] Milk. 45 00:01:53,814 --> 00:01:55,280 -She would like a milk. -[server] A milk? 46 00:01:57,952 --> 00:01:59,418 [server] A strawberry lemonade? Yeah, of course. 47 00:01:59,453 --> 00:02:00,953 [Tori] And I will also do a strawberry lemonade. 48 00:02:00,988 --> 00:02:02,387 [server] Strawberry lemonade. All right, I'll get started on that. 49 00:02:02,423 --> 00:02:03,455 -Thank you. -[server] Of course. 50 00:02:07,294 --> 00:02:08,594 What did they check? 51 00:02:08,629 --> 00:02:09,695 [Jackson speaking] 52 00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:10,996 They checked your ears? 53 00:02:11,999 --> 00:02:13,765 -Mm-hmm. -[Zach] Yeah and your mouth? 54 00:02:13,801 --> 00:02:15,434 When he checked your mouth, what did you do? 55 00:02:16,637 --> 00:02:17,736 [Tori laughs] 56 00:02:17,771 --> 00:02:18,904 [Tori] A few weeks ago, 57 00:02:18,939 --> 00:02:21,273 got Lilah's annual well-child check. 58 00:02:21,308 --> 00:02:23,609 They do the ear test 59 00:02:23,644 --> 00:02:26,178 for hearing and she failed it. 60 00:02:26,213 --> 00:02:29,214 So they were worried that she has water behind her ears 61 00:02:29,250 --> 00:02:31,717 and that she maybe couldn't hear us all the way, 62 00:02:31,752 --> 00:02:33,085 like it was muffled. 63 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,953 And it's a possibility that it could be 64 00:02:34,989 --> 00:02:37,422 contributing to her delay in speech. 65 00:02:37,458 --> 00:02:41,160 So today I took her to a hearing specialist 66 00:02:41,195 --> 00:02:42,928 to have more tests ran on her 67 00:02:42,963 --> 00:02:44,363 to figure out what's happening. 68 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:48,200 -[Jackson] Hey, Lilah. -Is she deaf? 69 00:02:48,235 --> 00:02:49,368 -[Jackson speaking] -[Lilah] Huh? 70 00:02:51,172 --> 00:02:52,738 -Yeah. -[Tori laughs] 71 00:02:52,773 --> 00:02:54,039 So is she deaf? 72 00:02:54,074 --> 00:02:55,774 She has perfect hearing. 73 00:02:55,809 --> 00:02:58,310 -She has perfect hearing? -[Tori] She has perfect hearing. 74 00:02:58,345 --> 00:02:59,611 So she's just slow in talking. 75 00:02:59,647 --> 00:03:00,979 She's just slow in talking. 76 00:03:01,015 --> 00:03:02,881 The reason why she failed the pressure test 77 00:03:02,917 --> 00:03:04,983 at the pediatrician's office is because she has 78 00:03:05,019 --> 00:03:07,719 just an irregularly shaped eardrum. 79 00:03:07,755 --> 00:03:09,588 But there's no water. There's no water 80 00:03:09,623 --> 00:03:11,089 -behind her ear. -There's nothing behind her eardrums? 81 00:03:11,125 --> 00:03:12,090 No. 82 00:03:12,126 --> 00:03:13,625 She's just behind 83 00:03:13,661 --> 00:03:15,661 because she had two ear infections in a row. 84 00:03:15,696 --> 00:03:18,964 However, currently her ears look clear. 85 00:03:18,999 --> 00:03:20,599 Fascinating. 86 00:03:20,634 --> 00:03:22,534 [Tori] I think he was relived to hear that. 87 00:03:22,570 --> 00:03:24,136 Yeah, she doesn't have a hearing issue. 88 00:03:24,171 --> 00:03:25,771 Huge relief. Huge relief. 89 00:03:25,806 --> 00:03:27,573 Doesn't need any sort of surgeries or anything. 90 00:03:27,608 --> 00:03:29,474 Yeah. Lilah does not need tubes, 91 00:03:29,510 --> 00:03:31,577 that's not, like, even a question anymore... 92 00:03:31,612 --> 00:03:32,978 -Is a relief. -Yes, it's perfect. 93 00:03:34,114 --> 00:03:35,514 She also said, 94 00:03:35,549 --> 00:03:38,116 we can put her in speech therapy. 95 00:03:38,152 --> 00:03:40,018 [Zach] When Jackson starts full day's kindergarten, 96 00:03:40,054 --> 00:03:42,154 I really think you'll have more time 97 00:03:42,189 --> 00:03:44,723 to work with her and do your teaching thing. 98 00:03:44,758 --> 00:03:46,358 -Right. -Not to put it all on you, 99 00:03:46,393 --> 00:03:47,693 -but I think-- -Totally. 100 00:03:47,728 --> 00:03:49,962 [Tori] I have a background in child development. 101 00:03:49,997 --> 00:03:52,097 Not that I consider myself 102 00:03:52,132 --> 00:03:54,099 a speech pathologist, by any means. 103 00:03:54,134 --> 00:03:56,969 -However, like I do have a lot of tools in my back pocket. -You have the basics. 104 00:03:57,004 --> 00:03:58,937 And I think that we can help her a lot at home 105 00:03:58,973 --> 00:04:00,739 before we have to, like, step into 106 00:04:00,774 --> 00:04:02,441 -a specialist's office. -Yes. 107 00:04:02,476 --> 00:04:05,143 -[babbles] -[Tori laughing] 108 00:04:05,179 --> 00:04:07,346 [Zach] I think I did speech therapy growing up. 109 00:04:07,381 --> 00:04:09,448 I think my pronunciation was just... 110 00:04:09,483 --> 00:04:11,283 My pronunciation still sucks. 111 00:04:11,318 --> 00:04:12,851 [Tori] Well, it's pruh-nuhn-ciiation, first of all. 112 00:04:14,321 --> 00:04:17,022 -Pro-noun-ciation. -It's pruh-nuhn-ciation. 113 00:04:19,059 --> 00:04:20,125 That's unbelievable. 114 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,860 -[Tori laughs] -I've never heard that word before. 115 00:04:25,599 --> 00:04:27,866 I did have speech therapy. 116 00:04:27,901 --> 00:04:30,068 And if you ask Tori, it did not work. 117 00:04:30,104 --> 00:04:33,071 [laugh] 118 00:04:33,107 --> 00:04:36,141 -I have pronunciation issues. -"Pro-noun-ciation" issues... 119 00:04:38,912 --> 00:04:39,945 I love you. 120 00:04:39,980 --> 00:04:41,747 But also though, like, 121 00:04:41,782 --> 00:04:45,684 Amy Roloff, I love you but "Or-gone..." 122 00:04:45,719 --> 00:04:48,120 -Oregon? -"Or-gone", "per-mia-sion" cheese? 123 00:04:50,724 --> 00:04:52,090 "Amb-lance". 124 00:04:53,327 --> 00:04:54,259 Again, sorry. 125 00:04:56,830 --> 00:04:58,630 [Zach] Um, so... 126 00:04:58,666 --> 00:05:00,866 This week, we have the Witouses... 127 00:05:00,901 --> 00:05:02,167 -Mm-hmm. -...are coming. 128 00:05:02,202 --> 00:05:05,137 Jess and Mikey and they have a boy named Michael. 129 00:05:05,172 --> 00:05:07,973 And Jackson, he's pretty much your same age. 130 00:05:09,977 --> 00:05:12,844 I've known them for years in LPA. 131 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,714 They are from Indiana, South Bend, Indiana. 132 00:05:15,749 --> 00:05:17,382 Their son is the same age as our son. 133 00:05:17,418 --> 00:05:18,550 He is an LP as well. 134 00:05:18,585 --> 00:05:21,153 So it will be kind of fun to get Jackson a friend, 135 00:05:21,188 --> 00:05:24,222 you know, that's an LP and see how he interacts. 136 00:05:24,258 --> 00:05:27,159 [Tori] It's been... What? Five years, six years 137 00:05:27,194 --> 00:05:29,494 since you've seen them? That will be fun. 138 00:05:29,530 --> 00:05:30,696 Hopefully we'll all get along. 139 00:05:32,366 --> 00:05:33,398 [Tori] Jackson doesn't really have 140 00:05:33,434 --> 00:05:35,233 a lot of friends with achondroplasia. 141 00:05:35,269 --> 00:05:38,303 I don't think he's made that distinction anyway of, like, 142 00:05:38,339 --> 00:05:40,339 this friend doesn't have achondroplasia 143 00:05:40,374 --> 00:05:41,807 and this friend does, you know. 144 00:05:43,210 --> 00:05:44,609 [Zach] So when this Michael guy comes, 145 00:05:44,645 --> 00:05:45,711 what do you want to show him first? 146 00:05:48,515 --> 00:05:51,683 Oh, yeah. He wants to figure out if he's faster or not. 147 00:05:51,719 --> 00:05:53,585 This could easily not go well. 148 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:55,754 Two alpha dudes going at it 149 00:05:55,789 --> 00:05:57,055 and just right off the bat are going to be like, 150 00:05:57,091 --> 00:05:59,558 "I'm not sharing with you." And then that's going to set 151 00:05:59,593 --> 00:06:01,059 the tone for the next four days. 152 00:06:01,095 --> 00:06:02,861 There's definitely a little bit like, 153 00:06:02,896 --> 00:06:04,229 "Ah! Is this going to work?" 154 00:06:07,401 --> 00:06:08,400 Ball. 155 00:06:11,672 --> 00:06:12,938 Josiah. 156 00:06:12,973 --> 00:06:14,039 [Tori] Very good. 157 00:06:16,243 --> 00:06:17,142 Look at you. 158 00:06:25,119 --> 00:06:27,319 [Amy] All right. Okay, are we going to be ready for this? 159 00:06:27,354 --> 00:06:29,187 I'm ready to go. 160 00:06:29,223 --> 00:06:30,622 Yeah, we're going to kick some booty. 161 00:06:30,657 --> 00:06:32,557 -Oh, yeah. Right. Good to see you. -[laughs] 162 00:06:32,593 --> 00:06:34,192 -[Amy] Me too. -Hey, good to see you. 163 00:06:34,228 --> 00:06:36,194 [Amy] Well, I don't know. Chris had an energy drink. 164 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:38,663 -[Lisa laughs] Oh, no! -[Art] We're in trouble now. 165 00:06:38,699 --> 00:06:42,467 [Chris] Art and Lisa Fletcher are closest long term friends. 166 00:06:42,503 --> 00:06:45,303 -[Chris] Rally time. -[Amy] Bring it on! 167 00:06:45,339 --> 00:06:48,740 The funny thing is, I've got two friends 168 00:06:48,776 --> 00:06:50,776 that are Lisa and Art, Lisa and Art. 169 00:06:50,811 --> 00:06:53,512 I mean, what are the odds of that? 170 00:06:53,547 --> 00:06:55,981 So I have Lisa and Art Dixon 171 00:06:56,016 --> 00:06:58,450 and then I have Lisa and Art Fletcher. 172 00:07:00,087 --> 00:07:01,553 -[Chris] Ooh! -[Amy grunts] 173 00:07:01,588 --> 00:07:03,622 -[Art] All right. -[Chris] Nice move. 174 00:07:03,657 --> 00:07:05,857 -They are a perfect couple to play with. It's just... -Yeah. 175 00:07:05,893 --> 00:07:07,859 -They are a lot of fun. -It's just really all about 176 00:07:07,895 --> 00:07:10,262 exercising and enjoying the game. 177 00:07:10,297 --> 00:07:11,430 [Lisa] 2-4. 178 00:07:14,268 --> 00:07:16,268 [Chris exhales] All right! 179 00:07:16,303 --> 00:07:17,903 [Amy] For me, I always think it's a challenge 180 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,671 playing with people of average height 181 00:07:19,706 --> 00:07:22,140 because they just have a better leverage than I do. 182 00:07:22,176 --> 00:07:23,708 I mean, I'm... 183 00:07:23,744 --> 00:07:25,444 Not only a longer reach 184 00:07:25,479 --> 00:07:28,413 but I'm right even with the net. 185 00:07:28,449 --> 00:07:30,782 So even if I have a great back hand, 186 00:07:30,818 --> 00:07:32,551 my back hand is not over the net. 187 00:07:32,586 --> 00:07:34,453 It's going right into the net. 188 00:07:34,488 --> 00:07:35,754 [Amy and Chris groans] 189 00:07:35,789 --> 00:07:39,224 But if I tilt my paddle up to go over the net, 190 00:07:39,259 --> 00:07:41,193 it has a tendency to pop up. 191 00:07:42,329 --> 00:07:44,229 -[Amy] Oh. -[Lisa] Yes! [laughs] 192 00:07:44,264 --> 00:07:45,997 Three, four, one. 193 00:07:48,368 --> 00:07:50,869 -[Amy groans] -[Art] Game? Game point? 194 00:07:50,904 --> 00:07:51,837 [Amy] Ooh! 195 00:07:59,012 --> 00:07:59,978 [Chris laughs] 196 00:08:06,386 --> 00:08:07,486 No! 197 00:08:08,989 --> 00:08:10,856 -[Chris groans] -Victory! 198 00:08:10,891 --> 00:08:12,524 -All right. -Woop-woop! 199 00:08:12,559 --> 00:08:14,259 I don't know. We can't leave it at one 200 00:08:14,294 --> 00:08:16,528 -but let's take a break. -[Chris groans] 201 00:08:16,563 --> 00:08:18,230 [Amy] You know, Chris and I look at each other, 202 00:08:18,265 --> 00:08:21,299 -"Oh, okay. They won this one. We're gonna get the next one." -Yeah. 203 00:08:21,335 --> 00:08:22,534 [Amy] I went to the farmer's market, 204 00:08:22,569 --> 00:08:24,402 got all those raspberries and I told you I'll bring it, 205 00:08:24,438 --> 00:08:25,837 you know, at our next game. 206 00:08:25,873 --> 00:08:27,873 I wanted to try something that I've never done before. 207 00:08:27,908 --> 00:08:30,408 So I made raspberry sorbet 208 00:08:30,444 --> 00:08:32,143 and I made some homemade granola 209 00:08:32,179 --> 00:08:34,546 and I just thought that was a nice treat 210 00:08:34,581 --> 00:08:36,448 after being hot and sweaty and... 211 00:08:37,084 --> 00:08:38,283 Yeah, good thinking. 212 00:08:38,318 --> 00:08:39,417 Do you guys want anything more? 213 00:08:40,654 --> 00:08:42,020 [Art] No, I'm good. This is great. 214 00:08:42,055 --> 00:08:43,054 That's plenty for me. 215 00:08:44,258 --> 00:08:46,625 Well, you know that crazy farm of mine. 216 00:08:47,327 --> 00:08:48,894 Or not mine anymore. 217 00:08:48,929 --> 00:08:50,695 It's still up for sale, right babe? 218 00:08:50,731 --> 00:08:51,630 It's still up for sale? 219 00:08:53,467 --> 00:08:55,600 [Art] No? Any interested buyers at all? 220 00:08:55,636 --> 00:08:57,602 -I don't know. -You're out of it. 221 00:08:57,638 --> 00:08:59,070 Yeah, yeah. 222 00:08:59,606 --> 00:09:01,573 But I'll tell you. 223 00:09:01,608 --> 00:09:04,042 If I would have known now what I did... 224 00:09:04,077 --> 00:09:06,444 I just had an idea, we kind of generally talked about it 225 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,980 and I thought it would go this certain way, and... 226 00:09:09,016 --> 00:09:11,816 I was too afraid to take that financial risk. 227 00:09:11,852 --> 00:09:13,485 -You're conservative. -Yeah. 228 00:09:14,454 --> 00:09:16,121 [Amy] There's parts of me that wished 229 00:09:16,156 --> 00:09:18,757 that I would have just bought Matt out. 230 00:09:18,792 --> 00:09:20,859 And maybe I could have held on to it for a year or two 231 00:09:20,894 --> 00:09:22,227 and I probably would have just sold it 232 00:09:22,262 --> 00:09:23,929 to, you know, one of the boys. 233 00:09:23,964 --> 00:09:28,166 But obviously, with what Matt has it at now, 234 00:09:28,201 --> 00:09:31,636 I mean, none of those boys are able to afford that. 235 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:34,539 I have all these memories 236 00:09:34,575 --> 00:09:36,141 -of, you know, the Western town. -I know. 237 00:09:36,176 --> 00:09:37,309 And... What was it? 238 00:09:37,344 --> 00:09:39,144 The progressive dinner through the farm. 239 00:09:39,179 --> 00:09:41,146 -Oh, yeah, wasn't that fun? -Yeah, that was awesome. 240 00:09:41,181 --> 00:09:42,781 -I loved that progressive dinner. -[Lisa] Like, driving mule. 241 00:09:43,650 --> 00:09:45,050 [Chris] When I first met Amy, 242 00:09:45,085 --> 00:09:47,319 it was kind of talked about and assumed 243 00:09:47,354 --> 00:09:48,787 that the side that Amy lived on, 244 00:09:48,822 --> 00:09:51,056 that side would continue on 245 00:09:51,091 --> 00:09:53,325 with one of the twins, the older boys. 246 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,461 So I was disappointed that neither Zach or Jeremy 247 00:09:56,496 --> 00:09:59,564 was able to work that out with their dad, and... 248 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,866 You know, unfortunately, Zach and Tori, 249 00:10:01,902 --> 00:10:04,069 they headed north to Battle Ground, and... 250 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:05,770 Um, it's a shame that they are farther away. 251 00:10:05,806 --> 00:10:07,339 We don't see them nearly as often. 252 00:10:08,976 --> 00:10:12,510 Yeah, I definitely think both the boys have moved on 253 00:10:12,546 --> 00:10:15,413 but it doesn't mean whatever feelings 254 00:10:15,449 --> 00:10:19,084 and emotions and history suddenly goes away 255 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:21,519 and everything's back to hunky-dory. 256 00:10:21,555 --> 00:10:23,021 I think it will take time for them. 257 00:10:25,359 --> 00:10:26,458 [Amy speaking] 258 00:10:26,493 --> 00:10:27,459 [Zach speaking] 259 00:10:29,162 --> 00:10:31,830 [Zach] I hope that Jackson will get along with Michael. 260 00:10:31,865 --> 00:10:34,299 If they don't get along, it could be a long weekend. 261 00:10:36,670 --> 00:10:37,702 [Michael screams] Maa! 262 00:10:38,138 --> 00:10:39,237 [Amy speaks] 263 00:10:39,272 --> 00:10:42,307 [Caryn] Oh, I'm sorry. I know this is hard for you. 264 00:10:42,342 --> 00:10:44,676 My dad was getting more and more ill and... 265 00:11:04,931 --> 00:11:06,898 No, no, no, no, no. 266 00:11:06,933 --> 00:11:08,299 We'll do this later. 267 00:11:08,335 --> 00:11:10,335 This will take forever to wrap back up. 268 00:11:10,370 --> 00:11:13,405 So my dad let us know that papa's in the hospital 269 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,273 with complications from COVID. 270 00:11:15,308 --> 00:11:16,975 The whole family got a group text from my dad 271 00:11:17,010 --> 00:11:18,810 that Papa's not doing well. 272 00:11:18,845 --> 00:11:20,812 But he's fighting. 273 00:11:20,847 --> 00:11:23,181 You know, so it's not time to come down yet 274 00:11:23,216 --> 00:11:25,784 and so we're going to enjoy our time with the Witouses. 275 00:11:25,819 --> 00:11:27,652 Um, but I'm on standby. 276 00:11:31,958 --> 00:11:34,392 I honestly think we need about eight stools. 277 00:11:34,428 --> 00:11:35,994 Tori and Josiah went to go pick up 278 00:11:36,029 --> 00:11:37,495 the Witouses from the airport. 279 00:11:37,531 --> 00:11:40,065 And Jackson and Lilah and me waited at home. 280 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:42,901 The Witouses were not at the Spokane convention 281 00:11:42,936 --> 00:11:45,070 and so we are glad that they are able to come out here 282 00:11:45,105 --> 00:11:47,238 and visit us here in Washington. 283 00:11:47,274 --> 00:11:48,273 Go put these in your room. 284 00:11:48,308 --> 00:11:49,708 Quick, run fast as you can. Go, go, go. 285 00:11:50,711 --> 00:11:52,077 'Cause they are coming. Quick! 286 00:11:52,112 --> 00:11:53,244 Five, four, three, two... 287 00:11:54,448 --> 00:11:56,047 I think it should be fun for Jackson to play 288 00:11:56,083 --> 00:11:58,016 with someone else that has achondroplasia 289 00:11:58,051 --> 00:12:00,852 and it's kind of nice being able to talk to parents 290 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:02,320 that just might go through the same thing 291 00:12:02,355 --> 00:12:03,988 or are going through the same thing. 292 00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:05,523 [Zach] Hey. 293 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,727 -[Jess] Hello. -[Tori] Ooh! You're looking fresh, J. 294 00:12:08,762 --> 00:12:10,462 -[Zach] How are we doing? -[Mikey] Good, how are you? 295 00:12:10,497 --> 00:12:12,197 -[Zach] I'm good, how was it? -It was a good flight. 296 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:13,364 -[Mikey] Not bad. -[Jess] Yeah. 297 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,033 -Early but good. -[Zach] Yeah? 298 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:16,434 -Good thing you got... -Yeah, you too. 299 00:12:16,470 --> 00:12:18,436 -Thanks for coming out. -Yeah, thanks for having us. 300 00:12:19,272 --> 00:12:20,939 So we are Mike and Jess Witous. 301 00:12:20,974 --> 00:12:23,641 The way to remember it is, "Witous or against us." 302 00:12:23,677 --> 00:12:25,577 It's how I have always said it. 303 00:12:25,612 --> 00:12:26,845 People tend to remember it that way. 304 00:12:28,048 --> 00:12:28,947 Hey, Michael. 305 00:12:29,816 --> 00:12:31,616 [Tori] Are you Michael too? 306 00:12:31,651 --> 00:12:33,318 -Technically, yeah. -[Tori] Technically, okay. 307 00:12:33,353 --> 00:12:34,619 Because my dad's Michael, 308 00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:35,787 so he goes by Mike, I go by Mikey. 309 00:12:35,822 --> 00:12:36,955 [Zach] So it's a whole family thing. 310 00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:38,089 -[Tori] This is like a family thing. -[Jess] Yeah. 311 00:12:38,125 --> 00:12:39,858 -[Tori] I love that. -It's not confusing at all. 312 00:12:39,893 --> 00:12:41,493 -[Mikey] Yeah, yeah. -[Jess] By any means. 313 00:12:41,528 --> 00:12:43,895 [Mikey] I'm one of four kids in my family. 314 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:45,730 Everyone's average height in my family. 315 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,666 I was born into an average height family 316 00:12:48,702 --> 00:12:51,369 and then at three months I was adopted 317 00:12:51,404 --> 00:12:53,004 into another average height... 318 00:12:53,039 --> 00:12:54,606 a family of average height parents 319 00:12:54,641 --> 00:12:58,309 but they had already adopted two girls, in different times, 320 00:12:58,345 --> 00:13:00,345 but two girls with dwarfism already. 321 00:13:00,380 --> 00:13:04,015 So I have two sisters that are both dwarfs. 322 00:13:04,050 --> 00:13:05,683 [Zach] Oh hey, Lilah, are you part of this too? 323 00:13:05,719 --> 00:13:06,618 Here, we can jump inside. 324 00:13:06,653 --> 00:13:08,319 [Zach] Let's get out of the heat here. 325 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:09,687 [Zach] Go on, Jackson. 326 00:13:09,723 --> 00:13:10,755 Can you say hi? 327 00:13:12,225 --> 00:13:13,925 This guy is Michael. 328 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,261 Yeah, Mikey and me go back a couple of years. 329 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:18,830 We've played on a couple of dwarf athletic teams together. 330 00:13:18,865 --> 00:13:21,466 Her first convention, we hung out with them 331 00:13:21,501 --> 00:13:23,034 but that was before any of us had kids. 332 00:13:23,069 --> 00:13:25,036 -We got along really well. -Yeah. 333 00:13:25,071 --> 00:13:26,004 [Zach] I think Jackson just knows 334 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:27,438 that someone's coming to visit. 335 00:13:27,474 --> 00:13:28,773 -So all of the next four days-- - [Tori] He's stoked, yeah. 336 00:13:28,809 --> 00:13:30,208 [Zach] ... is going to be, like, different. 337 00:13:30,243 --> 00:13:32,310 So there's gonna always be someone to play with. 338 00:13:32,345 --> 00:13:35,079 I hope that Jackson will get along with Michael. 339 00:13:35,115 --> 00:13:38,683 If they don't get along, it could be a long weekend. 340 00:13:38,718 --> 00:13:40,418 [Jess] You want to show me your Batman? 341 00:13:40,453 --> 00:13:42,220 -I bet Jackson likes Batman. -Is that your Batman? 342 00:13:43,223 --> 00:13:44,622 -Jackson's a Spiderman guy. -[Jess] Yeah. 343 00:13:47,561 --> 00:13:49,527 -[Zach] Yeah. -[Jess] He's the same, right? 344 00:13:49,563 --> 00:13:54,032 And you kind of like the bad guys too, don't you? 345 00:13:55,435 --> 00:13:56,401 [Jess] No? 346 00:13:59,139 --> 00:14:00,839 You like superheroes. That's a good thing. 347 00:14:00,874 --> 00:14:03,508 [Zach] You guys ever been to the Northwest? 348 00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:05,643 -[Jess and Mikey] No. -Were you at the Seattle conference a few years ago? 349 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,412 [Mikey and Jess] No. 350 00:14:07,447 --> 00:14:08,813 And obviously the Spokane Convention, no. 351 00:14:08,849 --> 00:14:10,815 -Yeah, we didn't go to Spokane. -[Zach] Okay. 352 00:14:10,851 --> 00:14:13,218 -[Zach] All of you, come on. We can sit down. -[Tori] Come on in. 353 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:15,019 -[Zach] See the place. -[Mikey] You want to see his room? 354 00:14:15,989 --> 00:14:17,922 [Tori] Oh, you want wa-wa? 355 00:14:17,958 --> 00:14:20,225 [Zach] We recently took him to Spokane. 356 00:14:20,260 --> 00:14:21,593 -[Mikey] Yeah. -[Zach] And he's like... 357 00:14:21,628 --> 00:14:23,528 He's, like, starting to figure it out a little bit. 358 00:14:23,563 --> 00:14:25,129 -You know, like? -[Mikey] Yeah. 359 00:14:25,165 --> 00:14:27,065 We keep trying to tell him that... 360 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:28,833 Like, you're not going to be like grandpa, 361 00:14:28,869 --> 00:14:29,934 -or... -Yes. 362 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:31,469 He's like, "Oh, I'm going to be tall, like..." 363 00:14:31,504 --> 00:14:32,937 -I'm like, "No." -[Zach] Yeah. 364 00:14:32,973 --> 00:14:35,540 [Jess] I feel like I grew up and I didn't even know... 365 00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:37,408 I don't remember being told. 366 00:14:37,444 --> 00:14:39,177 -[Zach] Yeah. -You just do it. 367 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:40,745 Yeah or it's like a gradual... 368 00:14:40,780 --> 00:14:42,647 I don't remember having like a doorbell, 369 00:14:42,682 --> 00:14:43,615 -you know. -[Jess] Yeah. 370 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:44,883 It just became what it was. 371 00:14:44,918 --> 00:14:46,251 -[Tori] For what? -Like recognizing 372 00:14:46,286 --> 00:14:47,752 -that you're different, you're a dwarf. -Oh, yes. 373 00:14:58,899 --> 00:15:00,398 [Tori] Lilah loved Michael. 374 00:15:01,735 --> 00:15:03,668 Lilah wants to be a part of the boys 375 00:15:03,703 --> 00:15:05,570 -and, like, wants to do what they are doing. -Yes. 376 00:15:08,341 --> 00:15:10,475 -And she got excited about it. -And she was with Jackson all the time 377 00:15:10,510 --> 00:15:12,543 -and she's like, "I want to do that." -Yeah. 378 00:15:14,214 --> 00:15:15,914 [Michael screams] Maa! 379 00:15:19,619 --> 00:15:21,019 Can you go to Michael's birthday party? 380 00:15:21,054 --> 00:15:21,986 You want to go to Michael's birthday? 381 00:15:22,022 --> 00:15:23,254 Michael invited you to his birthday? 382 00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:24,856 -Absolutely. -It's a Batman party. 383 00:15:24,891 --> 00:15:26,824 -[Zach laughing] -I didn't even know he's having one. 384 00:15:26,860 --> 00:15:28,559 -...out. -Yeah. 385 00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:29,594 Yeah, absolutely. 386 00:15:30,630 --> 00:15:32,630 [Mikey] You are invited 100%. 387 00:15:32,666 --> 00:15:35,133 [Zach] I was worried but once they got together 388 00:15:35,168 --> 00:15:37,669 and got along so quickly, I was relieved. 389 00:15:37,704 --> 00:15:39,137 So you want to have a Batman party? 390 00:15:39,172 --> 00:15:41,172 And you invited Jackson? 391 00:15:41,207 --> 00:15:42,573 Okay. 392 00:15:42,609 --> 00:15:44,242 [Zach] They just gel very well. 393 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:45,209 [screams] 394 00:15:46,813 --> 00:15:47,845 [Jess] Look at them. 395 00:15:53,820 --> 00:15:55,420 [Chris speaking] 396 00:15:57,023 --> 00:15:58,690 [Amy] Does it not say in here? 397 00:15:59,292 --> 00:16:00,458 Like how big it is? 398 00:16:01,294 --> 00:16:03,061 222 acres. 399 00:16:03,096 --> 00:16:04,629 -That's big. -Yeah, that is kind of big. 400 00:16:04,664 --> 00:16:05,997 -Isn't it? -It is. 401 00:16:06,032 --> 00:16:07,465 Because when you think of the farm, 402 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:10,802 where I lived and the 75 acres where Matt lived, 403 00:16:10,837 --> 00:16:12,170 or he has it all now. 404 00:16:12,939 --> 00:16:14,639 Um, that's a 100. 405 00:16:14,674 --> 00:16:17,809 Well, we kind of need to talk to him about pumpkin season. 406 00:16:17,844 --> 00:16:19,410 Whether you were gonna be a part of it. 407 00:16:19,446 --> 00:16:22,613 Yeah. Before I commit to that or figure that out... 408 00:16:23,917 --> 00:16:26,317 Um, I got to get my head around it. 409 00:16:26,353 --> 00:16:28,353 Well, I have been thinking about pumpkin season 410 00:16:28,388 --> 00:16:31,522 'cause I know it's coming up here sooner than later 411 00:16:31,558 --> 00:16:35,159 and obviously, the north side part of it is up for sale. 412 00:16:35,195 --> 00:16:37,228 So I don't know, I just have to have 413 00:16:37,263 --> 00:16:40,698 a little bit more info as to what does this year look like? 414 00:16:40,734 --> 00:16:41,866 What's changing? 415 00:16:41,901 --> 00:16:45,103 You know, what are the tour... What is his gameplan? 416 00:16:45,138 --> 00:16:47,238 You know, he asked me to do a tour 417 00:16:47,273 --> 00:16:48,906 that he had forgotten about and stuff 418 00:16:48,942 --> 00:16:50,808 and I said, "Sure." You know, "I'll go and do it." 419 00:16:50,844 --> 00:16:52,443 [Amy] We also heard from Matt 420 00:16:52,479 --> 00:16:54,712 that his dad had to go in the hospital 421 00:16:54,748 --> 00:16:57,248 and he had a tour, a private tour 422 00:16:57,283 --> 00:16:58,616 scheduled on the farm. 423 00:16:58,651 --> 00:17:01,252 So, you know, I definitely said yes right away 424 00:17:01,287 --> 00:17:03,187 because, you know, he's in Arizona 425 00:17:03,223 --> 00:17:04,822 attending a family matter. 426 00:17:04,858 --> 00:17:06,858 And, you know, you just help out, 427 00:17:06,893 --> 00:17:09,027 regardless of what's going on. 428 00:17:09,062 --> 00:17:10,528 It's just what you do. 429 00:17:10,563 --> 00:17:13,064 But I tell you, I said "yes" way too quick. 430 00:17:13,099 --> 00:17:15,333 -Hmm. -Because I was like... 431 00:17:15,368 --> 00:17:17,101 -"Okay, what do I talk about now?" -Hmm. 432 00:17:18,438 --> 00:17:21,305 It's been quite some time since I've done a tour. 433 00:17:21,341 --> 00:17:23,174 Ever since I've moved off the farm, 434 00:17:23,209 --> 00:17:25,543 I kind of feel, like, disconnected. 435 00:17:25,578 --> 00:17:28,079 Last year was my first time doing the wagon tour, 436 00:17:28,114 --> 00:17:30,148 -first time I've volunteered. -Ever participated. 437 00:17:30,183 --> 00:17:32,250 Yeah, participated in any part of that. 438 00:17:32,285 --> 00:17:34,952 And definitely be open to doing it again. 439 00:17:34,988 --> 00:17:36,921 Obviously this is our big pumpkin area. 440 00:17:36,956 --> 00:17:39,724 -We've got several varieties of pumpkins to choose from. -[woman] Oh, oh! 441 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:41,826 Is a pumpkin a fruit or a vegetable? 442 00:17:43,163 --> 00:17:44,395 [woman laughs] 443 00:17:44,431 --> 00:17:45,730 Have you read the script? 444 00:17:47,834 --> 00:17:51,903 We just tweaked and critiqued him a little bit but... 445 00:17:51,938 --> 00:17:54,038 -So harsh. -I was not. 446 00:17:54,074 --> 00:17:56,074 He might have had a little rough start 447 00:17:56,109 --> 00:17:58,709 but he did fantastic the rest of the time. 448 00:18:00,380 --> 00:18:03,147 Yeah, if Matt needs help with tours, you know, 449 00:18:03,183 --> 00:18:04,549 depending on what the tourists look like, 450 00:18:04,584 --> 00:18:07,018 I'd be happy to help out but, um... 451 00:18:07,954 --> 00:18:09,787 Yeah, I'm not sure... 452 00:18:09,823 --> 00:18:13,458 Pumpkin season's lost it's lure for me now. 453 00:18:13,493 --> 00:18:15,960 Half of it up for sale, it's like... 454 00:18:15,995 --> 00:18:18,563 I... I guess I'm afraid of being asked 455 00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:19,897 so many questions. "What do you think?" 456 00:18:19,933 --> 00:18:22,533 "Oh, it's so sad that that part of the farm..." 457 00:18:22,569 --> 00:18:24,202 "It's not pumpkin season anymore" 458 00:18:24,237 --> 00:18:25,803 -You know, whatever people... -Mm-hmm. 459 00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:27,939 ...may think. 460 00:18:27,974 --> 00:18:29,740 [Amy] I think what makes pumpkin season 461 00:18:29,776 --> 00:18:30,875 a little more unique 462 00:18:30,910 --> 00:18:34,479 is when there's some of the family members involved 463 00:18:34,514 --> 00:18:37,548 but when you have a rift in family, 464 00:18:37,584 --> 00:18:39,851 that doesn't always go away right away. 465 00:18:39,886 --> 00:18:43,354 And so, when it's just another pumpkin place, 466 00:18:43,389 --> 00:18:46,791 I just wonder how I could fit in in the future. 467 00:18:46,826 --> 00:18:50,194 Regardless, I think you should go and do your costume thing. 468 00:18:50,830 --> 00:18:52,430 Oh dear, oh dear. 469 00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:53,831 I think you're a big part of it. 470 00:18:53,867 --> 00:18:56,367 -Oh dear, oh dear. -I think you should be there. 471 00:18:56,402 --> 00:18:58,469 -I don't know. -You know... 472 00:18:58,505 --> 00:19:01,439 [Chris] Well, if Amy is not up for working at pumpkin season, 473 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:03,541 I'd feel funny going there without her. 474 00:19:03,576 --> 00:19:05,810 Um, I'm just doing it, one, for the fun of it 475 00:19:05,845 --> 00:19:08,880 and two, something that her and I can do together. 476 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:11,949 But wouldn't be near as much fun if Amy wasn't there. 477 00:19:12,685 --> 00:19:14,018 You being there is a bigger part 478 00:19:14,053 --> 00:19:16,053 of it then me doing tours. 479 00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:21,058 [Amy speaking] 480 00:19:23,096 --> 00:19:24,996 [Zach] Yeah, the Witouses are really positive people 481 00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:26,664 but they also have been through a lot. 482 00:19:26,699 --> 00:19:29,433 Moments that are hard, anniversaries, of course. 483 00:19:29,469 --> 00:19:32,236 -Like birthdays and stuff. -The things you don't think of before it happens. 484 00:19:46,586 --> 00:19:48,686 [Zach] Michael and Jackson are playing great together. 485 00:19:48,721 --> 00:19:51,289 Yeah, I don't know. They just read each other so well. 486 00:19:51,324 --> 00:19:52,890 It's nice when kids... Forget the dwarfism. 487 00:19:52,926 --> 00:19:54,192 It's nice when kids are on the same page. 488 00:19:54,227 --> 00:19:55,359 -[Jess] Yeah. -Yeah. 489 00:19:55,395 --> 00:19:57,795 [Zach] Jackson is really hitting it off with Michael 490 00:19:57,830 --> 00:20:00,498 who is Mikey and Jess' only son. 491 00:20:00,533 --> 00:20:04,101 Um, it is awesome when you have two, you know, five, four-year-olds 492 00:20:04,137 --> 00:20:06,337 that get together, that get along so well 493 00:20:06,372 --> 00:20:07,205 right off the bat. 494 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:11,842 How are you guys doing? 495 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:14,779 Uh, we're good, like... 496 00:20:16,716 --> 00:20:19,016 You know, it's like good for the most part. 497 00:20:19,052 --> 00:20:22,220 We have our resources, our support that have really helped us. 498 00:20:22,255 --> 00:20:25,022 -[Mikey] Losing [stutters] a child, like it's... -[Jessica] Losing ch-- yeah. 499 00:20:25,058 --> 00:20:29,227 There's mental, uh, grief that everyone has to go through. 500 00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:33,331 [Zach] Yeah, the Witous' are really positive people. 501 00:20:33,366 --> 00:20:35,600 But they also have been through a lot. 502 00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:39,337 Mikey and Jess had two, um, daughters 503 00:20:39,372 --> 00:20:41,572 that died very, very early. 504 00:20:42,976 --> 00:20:45,676 [Jessica] Two years ago, we found out we were pregnant again. 505 00:20:45,712 --> 00:20:48,112 And then, at 18 weeks, we learned that 506 00:20:48,147 --> 00:20:51,949 there was a possibility that the baby would have double dominant dwarfism. 507 00:20:53,052 --> 00:20:54,785 We both have achondroplasia. 508 00:20:54,821 --> 00:20:57,488 So because we have the same type of dwarfism, 509 00:20:57,523 --> 00:21:01,158 basically, it's kinda like two dominant genes fighting that, 510 00:21:01,194 --> 00:21:04,795 you know, one doesn't win. And so their lungs are under-developed, 511 00:21:04,831 --> 00:21:07,865 and there's some narrowing of the, um, foramen magnum. 512 00:21:07,900 --> 00:21:09,333 Yeah, even more narrowing 513 00:21:09,369 --> 00:21:10,768 -of the spinal columns, like. -Yeah. 514 00:21:10,803 --> 00:21:14,272 Basically, every complication that could happen with achondroplasia 515 00:21:14,307 --> 00:21:16,807 -is made... made... -Like magnified, yeah. 516 00:21:16,843 --> 00:21:19,243 [Mikey] Typically, with like, achondroplasia and double dominancy, 517 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:22,913 the children only last, like, seconds to minutes, maybe even hours. 518 00:21:25,652 --> 00:21:27,251 [Zach] I didn't realize, like, 519 00:21:33,426 --> 00:21:35,192 like, the stories are starting to come out. 520 00:21:35,228 --> 00:21:38,763 It is. It's 25% chance that it can happen. 521 00:21:38,798 --> 00:21:41,399 Every time. It's not like, oh, you had it once, 522 00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:43,434 -so you're not gonna have it again. -[Tori] Right. 523 00:21:43,469 --> 00:21:46,137 -It's 25% every time. -[Zach] With any... any couple that's, 524 00:21:46,172 --> 00:21:49,173 -has the same type of dwarfism. -Same type, yeah. 525 00:21:49,208 --> 00:21:51,942 If there's two parents with achondroplasia, 526 00:21:51,978 --> 00:21:55,579 there's a 50% chance that your child will have achondroplasia, 527 00:21:55,615 --> 00:21:58,983 there's a 25% chance that your child will be average height, 528 00:21:59,018 --> 00:22:02,019 and there's a 25% chance that your child will be born with double dominance. 529 00:22:03,222 --> 00:22:04,889 [Zach] Can't imagine what they're going through, like, 530 00:22:04,924 --> 00:22:07,825 going through the pregnancy, going through all that and then 531 00:22:07,860 --> 00:22:12,530 watching your baby, you know, pass away. Um, can't imagine. 532 00:22:14,934 --> 00:22:18,235 It's more like moments that are hard. Anniversaries, of course, 533 00:22:18,271 --> 00:22:20,738 like birth dates and stuff and um... 534 00:22:20,773 --> 00:22:23,074 -But... Yeah. -Some things you don't think of, like, 535 00:22:23,109 --> 00:22:24,075 before it happens. 536 00:22:25,044 --> 00:22:26,243 [Jessica] This is Margot Ann 537 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,713 and this is Bernadette Suzanne. 538 00:22:28,748 --> 00:22:31,115 Margot was with us for two and a half months. 539 00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:32,750 -Which is very-- -She even came home with us. 540 00:22:32,785 --> 00:22:36,887 She came home with us, so her last three weeks, she was home with us, um... 541 00:22:36,923 --> 00:22:41,125 Bernadette Suzanne is our third and she, um, 542 00:22:41,661 --> 00:22:43,594 she lived four days. 543 00:22:43,629 --> 00:22:45,996 So, but we were able to take her home again. 544 00:22:46,032 --> 00:22:48,099 Everyone thinks of the big moments, but it's like... 545 00:22:48,134 --> 00:22:50,468 -[Jessica] It's a little... -It's the little things. Like, 546 00:22:50,503 --> 00:22:52,970 oh, what would we be doing 547 00:22:53,005 --> 00:22:54,438 -if both girls-- -[Jessica] They were here. 548 00:22:54,474 --> 00:22:56,240 Or one of the girls was here with us. 549 00:22:56,275 --> 00:22:58,376 And, like, I'm sure you guys do the same thing. 550 00:22:58,411 --> 00:22:59,810 -Wh... Where would you be? -[Jessica] Yeah. 551 00:22:59,846 --> 00:23:01,178 -[Mikey] Like, or what would you be doing? -[Jessica] Yeah. 552 00:23:02,248 --> 00:23:03,547 I mean, I don't know. [sighs] 553 00:23:03,583 --> 00:23:06,884 Credit God and the hospital staff for working with us 554 00:23:06,919 --> 00:23:09,420 and getting our girls to come home. 555 00:23:09,455 --> 00:23:12,056 That's a miracle in itself, you know. 556 00:23:12,091 --> 00:23:14,458 [Mikey] It was great to have that moment. 557 00:23:14,494 --> 00:23:18,262 Um, and happy that Michael got to meet his sisters. 558 00:23:18,297 --> 00:23:21,065 Nothing gives a reason or makes it better but, um, 559 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:24,301 we like to think we have two saints in heaven 560 00:23:24,337 --> 00:23:25,803 that are watching out for us. 561 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:33,444 [Tori] How's he been with everything? 562 00:23:33,479 --> 00:23:34,912 -[Jessica] Pretty good, and-- -[Mikey] Yeah, he's... 563 00:23:34,947 --> 00:23:37,081 he's been good, he has... he has his days where, 564 00:23:37,116 --> 00:23:39,850 like, he'll... he'll say something that just, like, 565 00:23:39,886 --> 00:23:42,820 tugs at our heart strings, like, "Oh, I wish Bernie was here" 566 00:23:42,855 --> 00:23:44,688 or "I wish Margo was here", but like, 567 00:23:44,724 --> 00:23:45,856 then like... 568 00:23:45,892 --> 00:23:47,725 -the next subject is like... -He changes the subject. 569 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,561 "Can we watch, like, uh, TV? Can we turn on the TV?" 570 00:23:50,596 --> 00:23:54,598 -Are you guys... You'll... You'll try again? -[baby crying] 571 00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:56,734 -[Mikey] Yeah, we're-- -[Jessica] I mean, that's the plan. I gotta... 572 00:23:56,769 --> 00:23:58,836 I still need to do some healing, some recovery. 573 00:23:58,871 --> 00:23:59,904 Yeah. 574 00:23:59,939 --> 00:24:03,174 Physically and emotionally and mentally. But um, 575 00:24:03,209 --> 00:24:04,475 yeah, I mean, that's our plan 576 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:08,779 is to grow our family. So... we'll figure out a way. 577 00:24:08,815 --> 00:24:10,714 -[Zach] I think it's super brave of them to... -[Tori] Yeah. 578 00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:15,252 [Zach] ...even try to have kids after maybe at the first loss. 579 00:24:15,288 --> 00:24:19,323 People say, like [exhales] you know, "Why do you bring people into the world?" 580 00:24:19,358 --> 00:24:22,960 Like, they think it's not good that we procreated 581 00:24:22,995 --> 00:24:27,865 and brought more dwarfs into the world to suffer, you know. 582 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:29,700 But I totally disagree with that. 583 00:24:30,670 --> 00:24:32,703 I think people with disabilities 584 00:24:32,738 --> 00:24:35,940 have a right to procreate and have family. 585 00:24:35,975 --> 00:24:37,842 You know, so. 586 00:24:37,877 --> 00:24:39,710 -[Jessica] How about you guys, I mean? -[Mikey] Yeah. 587 00:24:39,745 --> 00:24:42,513 -[bary ou know. 588 00:24:42,548 --> 00:24:44,415 -[Tori] Just as what happened with us last year? -[Jessica] Yeah. 589 00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:46,016 -[Mikey] Yeah. -I mean, like, 590 00:24:46,052 --> 00:24:47,184 it's hard to, like, sit and, like, 591 00:24:47,220 --> 00:24:48,452 talk to someone, like, you know, 592 00:24:48,488 --> 00:24:49,920 you guys have been through so much. 593 00:24:49,956 --> 00:24:52,823 -And it was like... It was like a traumatic experience... -[Jessica] Yeah. 594 00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:54,358 ...for sure, but I think that, like, 595 00:24:56,329 --> 00:24:57,962 I don't know. 596 00:24:57,997 --> 00:24:59,864 -[Jessica] Well, that's the thing. Like, don't ever... -[Mikey] We won't downplay 597 00:24:59,899 --> 00:25:00,831 -your feelings. -[Tori] Right. 598 00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:02,500 -Compare because-- -A loss is a loss. 599 00:25:02,535 --> 00:25:04,201 -[Tori] Totally. -[Jessica] Yeah, your loss is your loss. 600 00:25:04,237 --> 00:25:07,204 -And it's big and it's major. -[Tori] I think that like, for... for me, 601 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,039 what I think about everything that happened was just 602 00:25:09,075 --> 00:25:10,441 -the way that it happened. -[baby cooing] 603 00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:11,842 -[Jessica] Hmm. -And like, 604 00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:16,714 you know, like, it was just-- it was really hard. 605 00:25:16,749 --> 00:25:21,585 But I mean, we were so blessed to get Josiah. 606 00:25:21,621 --> 00:25:24,488 -I mean, like, pretty quickly after. -[Jessica] Yeah. 607 00:25:24,524 --> 00:25:26,524 Like it didn't take very long for him to come along 608 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:30,127 and so, I think that that helped our healing a lot. 609 00:25:31,497 --> 00:25:34,331 It was hard for me to compare 610 00:25:35,334 --> 00:25:37,468 -with Jess, like, 'cause I... this... -Yeah... 611 00:25:37,503 --> 00:25:40,437 What they went through was so significant 612 00:25:40,473 --> 00:25:43,073 and like, it doesn't discount what we went through. 613 00:25:43,109 --> 00:25:46,310 However, it was hard for me to connect on that level. 614 00:25:46,345 --> 00:25:48,712 Because it was like, what do I have to complain about 615 00:25:48,748 --> 00:25:52,016 when we're sitting there with three healthy babies that... 616 00:25:52,051 --> 00:25:55,085 they should be sitting there with three healthy babies. 617 00:25:55,121 --> 00:25:57,721 The fact that you guys have been so strong in your faith 618 00:25:57,757 --> 00:26:01,058 and the fact that you've been able to, like, go through this twice, 619 00:26:01,093 --> 00:26:02,660 -like, not just once. -[Jessica] Yeah. 620 00:26:02,695 --> 00:26:06,730 But twice. The courage that you guys have is unbelievable. 621 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:09,600 You... You become grateful for the things you do have 622 00:26:09,635 --> 00:26:11,769 rather than focusing on the things you don't have. 623 00:26:11,804 --> 00:26:13,904 Makes you be that much more appreciative 624 00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:18,842 of the fact that we have Michael and that he's, uh, fully healthy. 625 00:26:18,878 --> 00:26:20,945 -It's not an easy subject to talk, like, you go over it. -[Tori] It's not. 626 00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:22,346 But it happens to so many. 627 00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:24,048 [Tori] So many, yeah. 628 00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:26,250 And like, people who haven't gone through it 629 00:26:26,285 --> 00:26:29,520 are afraid to talk to people who have, like, about it. 630 00:26:29,555 --> 00:26:31,655 'Cause like, they think that they're gonna make people sad, but it's like, 631 00:26:31,691 --> 00:26:35,659 no, like, it's... it's a form of therapy for parents when they talk about it. 632 00:26:35,695 --> 00:26:38,629 It's been taboo for so long to not talk about miscarriage 633 00:26:38,664 --> 00:26:40,998 and nottoalk about losing children. 634 00:26:41,033 --> 00:26:42,967 So I think that when Mikey and Jess 635 00:26:43,002 --> 00:26:48,272 talk about losses, it makes other people feel less alone. 636 00:26:48,307 --> 00:26:54,011 It could be a healing and an encouraging thing for 637 00:26:54,046 --> 00:26:56,280 them to see other couples talking about it. 638 00:26:58,284 --> 00:26:59,550 Papa! 639 00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:05,789 [Tori] Coming up... 640 00:27:05,825 --> 00:27:06,690 [Zach] Are you ready? 641 00:27:06,726 --> 00:27:08,826 Set. Go. 642 00:27:08,861 --> 00:27:11,528 -[Mikey] Come on, bud, run. -[all cheering] 643 00:27:17,203 --> 00:27:19,503 -[Tori] Okay. -[Zach] All right, let's go check it out. 644 00:27:19,538 --> 00:27:20,804 [baby cooing] 645 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,206 [woman cheers] 646 00:27:22,241 --> 00:27:24,074 [Zach] Come on, onward. 647 00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:27,077 [kid talking] 648 00:27:27,113 --> 00:27:30,914 The Witous' have never been to Oregon or the Northwest, really. 649 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:34,318 Um, so it's exciting to bring them to, you know, the Oregon beach. 650 00:27:34,353 --> 00:27:36,020 And yeah, show them a little bit 651 00:27:36,055 --> 00:27:37,655 of our neck of the woods. 652 00:27:38,691 --> 00:27:39,757 Look what Jackson's doing. 653 00:27:41,894 --> 00:27:43,560 -[Mikey laughs] -Oh, my God. 654 00:27:47,299 --> 00:27:48,966 -Yay! -[Tori exclaiming] 655 00:27:50,503 --> 00:27:52,102 [Zach] Whoa, good job, bud. 656 00:27:52,138 --> 00:27:54,138 -Wa-wa. -[gasps] 657 00:27:54,173 --> 00:27:56,206 Was that your favorite thing at the beach? 658 00:27:56,242 --> 00:27:58,442 -Wa-wa. -It was the wa-wa? 659 00:27:58,477 --> 00:27:59,576 What is your favorite? 660 00:28:02,915 --> 00:28:03,914 [cheering] 661 00:28:05,885 --> 00:28:08,686 [Zach] This age, this is like the last years our kids 662 00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:10,554 before they become aware of who they are. 663 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:12,990 There's like an ignorance. 664 00:28:13,025 --> 00:28:16,393 -Not an ignorance, there's a child-- -[both] Innocence. 665 00:28:16,429 --> 00:28:19,897 It is just a thought I had when I watched them playing, and like, 666 00:28:19,932 --> 00:28:21,565 the older they get, they're gonna start 667 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,701 realizing that the world maybe looks at them differently 668 00:28:23,736 --> 00:28:24,835 or that they are different. 669 00:28:25,638 --> 00:28:27,271 He's unaware of who he is. 670 00:28:27,306 --> 00:28:29,840 And next summer could be different. 671 00:28:29,875 --> 00:28:32,609 And I think it's our job to protect their innocence 672 00:28:32,645 --> 00:28:34,912 -as long as we possibly can. -Yeah. 673 00:28:36,348 --> 00:28:39,283 I was telling Mikey how it's their last years, like, 674 00:28:39,318 --> 00:28:41,819 they can run down the beach and not think about, like, 675 00:28:41,854 --> 00:28:43,687 -who's looking at me, who's staring, who's... -Yeah. 676 00:28:43,723 --> 00:28:45,823 ...making fun of my waddle feet, you know. 677 00:28:46,225 --> 00:28:47,191 I know. 678 00:28:48,694 --> 00:28:51,161 And you want to, like... You want them to, like, keep that forever. 679 00:28:51,764 --> 00:28:54,465 Yeah, okay. 680 00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:56,600 The confidence to just, like, do whatever... 681 00:28:56,635 --> 00:28:57,968 -[Zach] Yes. -Again, like, you know, 682 00:28:58,003 --> 00:28:59,436 "I can do this too." 683 00:28:59,472 --> 00:29:01,805 There's "What do you mean I can't do this?" 684 00:29:01,841 --> 00:29:03,841 [Zach] They're both the tallest, the fastest, the smartest, 685 00:29:03,876 --> 00:29:05,109 the coolest kids in the room. 686 00:29:05,144 --> 00:29:06,610 -And they know it, you know what I'm saying? -[Jessica] Yeah. 687 00:29:06,645 --> 00:29:09,613 But then it's gonna like, that, like, when that hits them... 688 00:29:09,648 --> 00:29:11,448 Yeah, you go from the fastest to the slowest. 689 00:29:11,484 --> 00:29:15,018 [Zach] Well, and there's another additional challenge that they're gonna face. 690 00:29:15,821 --> 00:29:17,387 I think it hit me earlier. 691 00:29:17,423 --> 00:29:18,655 I don't think I had the confidence. 692 00:29:18,691 --> 00:29:21,925 I think already had, like, a depreciatingness about myself. 693 00:29:21,961 --> 00:29:25,395 Jackson, I just think he has stronger confidence in himself 694 00:29:25,431 --> 00:29:28,799 that, uh, might just burst his bubble even more. Or... 695 00:29:28,834 --> 00:29:30,801 I've also seen dwarves that never lose it. 696 00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:33,370 Like, they're still, "I'm the fastest one in the room." 697 00:29:33,405 --> 00:29:35,405 I hope he doesn't lose it. 698 00:29:35,441 --> 00:29:37,541 But yeah, like, do you remember 699 00:29:37,576 --> 00:29:39,309 -noticing the difference? -[Zach] Oh, yeah. 700 00:29:39,345 --> 00:29:41,512 -It's during the PE classes-- -It was... I was just gonna say 701 00:29:41,547 --> 00:29:43,547 I noticed it when I was playing soccer 702 00:29:43,582 --> 00:29:46,784 that the kids were bigger. And I was like, like I knew I was a little person 703 00:29:46,819 --> 00:29:47,918 but like... 704 00:29:47,953 --> 00:29:49,787 I liked playing goalie, and then, like, eventually, 705 00:29:49,822 --> 00:29:51,655 the goals were just the cones 706 00:29:51,690 --> 00:29:53,357 -and then once we went to, like, goals... -Yeah. 707 00:29:53,392 --> 00:29:56,093 -[Zach] Like, I was just ushered out, you know. -[Jessica] Yeah. 708 00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:58,095 -If we were, like, winning... -Yeah. 709 00:29:58,130 --> 00:30:00,664 ...they'd, like, let me score the goal and I was like, "Thanks for the--" 710 00:30:00,699 --> 00:30:02,533 -Oh, I hated that. I hated that. -Thank you. 711 00:30:02,568 --> 00:30:03,567 -[Mikey] Thanks for the handout. -Whatever... 712 00:30:03,602 --> 00:30:05,803 Yeah, like, thanks for the handout, but... 713 00:30:06,906 --> 00:30:08,372 That's what I always try to, like, push, like, 714 00:30:08,407 --> 00:30:10,874 I've tried parents who're, like, asking, "Oh, what... what can they do?" 715 00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:12,442 -Anything. Just let them do anything. -[Zach] Yeah. 716 00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:16,146 So the base thing I always, like, try to 717 00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:19,183 tell every child parents that have a child with dwarfism is, like, 718 00:30:19,218 --> 00:30:21,919 find a way to give them the experience of doing the things 719 00:30:21,954 --> 00:30:24,254 that they want and that they seek enjoyment in. 720 00:30:24,290 --> 00:30:26,657 Uh, don't shelter them from society. 721 00:30:26,692 --> 00:30:29,359 Let them be in society, let them know what society is like 722 00:30:29,395 --> 00:30:30,928 and how it will treat them, 723 00:30:30,963 --> 00:30:33,831 so that they're ready for it when they become an adult on their own. 724 00:30:35,201 --> 00:30:37,234 But until then, 725 00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:39,336 let's give them a good life and... 726 00:30:39,371 --> 00:30:41,138 we don't want them to grow up too fast. 727 00:30:43,242 --> 00:30:47,377 I don't think there's one way to prepare your kids to, 728 00:30:47,413 --> 00:30:51,148 you know, take on the world that thinks they're different. 729 00:30:51,183 --> 00:30:54,284 Just instilling confidence and resilience in them, 730 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,821 when challenges come up, will definitely address them, you know. 731 00:31:00,426 --> 00:31:03,026 -[Tori] Who's more fast? -[boy] Me. 732 00:31:03,062 --> 00:31:04,328 Do you guys wanna race? 733 00:31:04,363 --> 00:31:05,562 -[Zach] Jackson, Michael. -[boy] Yeah. 734 00:31:05,598 --> 00:31:06,797 Let's do it. 735 00:31:06,832 --> 00:31:08,665 [boys exclaiming] 736 00:31:08,701 --> 00:31:10,801 -Here, grab like the other... -I'm gonna grab the hoe. 737 00:31:10,836 --> 00:31:12,636 -[Zach] Jackson wants to race. -[Tori] He's like, I wanna race! 738 00:31:12,671 --> 00:31:13,804 -[Zach] Jackson-- -[Tori] He has testosterone, 739 00:31:13,839 --> 00:31:15,839 -just raging through his body. -[Zach] Yeah. 740 00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:17,207 But that's not just with Michael. 741 00:31:17,243 --> 00:31:18,442 -That's with anyone who comes in. -No, that's with all the boys. 742 00:31:18,477 --> 00:31:21,511 That's like, any boy who comes in, he thinks he's faster. 743 00:31:22,815 --> 00:31:24,314 Jackson, Michael, come here. 744 00:31:26,719 --> 00:31:28,085 [woman giggles softly] 745 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,620 -[Mikey] You guys-- You guys are gonna have fun. -[Zach] Okay... 746 00:31:29,655 --> 00:31:30,587 Michael, you ready? 747 00:31:31,257 --> 00:31:32,122 Set! 748 00:31:32,758 --> 00:31:34,024 Hey... Ready? 749 00:31:34,526 --> 00:31:35,659 Set! Go! 750 00:31:35,694 --> 00:31:36,827 -Go! -Go! 751 00:31:36,862 --> 00:31:38,795 [dramatic music playing] 752 00:31:48,974 --> 00:31:50,807 [music intensifies and stops] 753 00:31:54,380 --> 00:31:55,579 [Zach chuckling] That was pretty even. 754 00:31:55,614 --> 00:31:56,413 [Mikey] Yeah. 755 00:31:57,182 --> 00:31:58,248 [Zach] Who was faster? 756 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:01,952 Are you sure you were faster? 757 00:32:04,556 --> 00:32:05,422 Give him high-five. 758 00:32:06,225 --> 00:32:08,158 Now Zach and Mikey! 759 00:32:08,193 --> 00:32:09,760 [Zach] When Tori said, Mikey and Zach race, 760 00:32:09,795 --> 00:32:10,861 I was like, "Oh, heck yeah." 761 00:32:10,896 --> 00:32:12,863 No, I was totally into it. I'm super competitive. 762 00:32:13,265 --> 00:32:14,298 Let's go. 763 00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:16,099 [upbeat music playing] 764 00:32:19,939 --> 00:32:23,640 -[women cheering] -[men chuckling] 765 00:32:23,676 --> 00:32:25,676 [Mikey] I could've knocked you down. 766 00:32:25,711 --> 00:32:26,877 Did you pull anything? 767 00:32:26,912 --> 00:32:28,578 Yeah, but what was that? Who won? 768 00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,414 -I don't know. -[all chuckle] 769 00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:32,749 Who do you think won? 770 00:32:34,653 --> 00:32:35,752 Argh! 771 00:32:35,788 --> 00:32:37,020 -Probably was. -That's a good answer. 772 00:32:37,056 --> 00:32:38,155 I'll take a tie! [chuckles] 773 00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:39,656 You're both winners. 774 00:32:39,692 --> 00:32:41,124 [Tori] You're both winners in our hearts. 775 00:32:42,461 --> 00:32:44,494 [Zach] Best part about the Witous' visit was 776 00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:46,530 -the beach day was a lot of fun. -Mm-hmm. 777 00:32:46,565 --> 00:32:48,899 Catchin' up with Mikey and Jess was a lot of fun too. 778 00:32:48,934 --> 00:32:51,702 -[Tori] The kids rallying. -[Zach] The most was just watching Michael and Jackson 779 00:32:51,737 --> 00:32:53,670 -rally and... -And he did an awesome job. 780 00:32:53,706 --> 00:32:55,872 -I think that he was a great friend to Michael. -Yeah. 781 00:32:55,908 --> 00:32:58,208 Lilah, smile! Say cheese! 782 00:33:01,647 --> 00:33:02,579 [narrator] Coming up... 783 00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:05,015 [whistles] 784 00:33:05,050 --> 00:33:07,084 Well, you know, one of the things my dad said was, 785 00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:09,686 "I just want everybody in the family to get along." 786 00:33:09,722 --> 00:33:13,724 Those were powerful words, so I got a lot of work to do. 787 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:15,459 Zach and Tori said they needed space, 788 00:33:15,494 --> 00:33:17,961 but I'm gonna try to work constantly on 789 00:33:17,997 --> 00:33:19,796 making sure that the family gets along. 790 00:33:46,925 --> 00:33:47,858 [whistles] 791 00:33:51,930 --> 00:33:54,431 [Matt] Caryn and I were down in Arizona, 792 00:33:54,466 --> 00:33:56,767 um, 'cause my dad was getting more and more ill. 793 00:33:56,802 --> 00:34:02,506 And, um, after puttin' up a very big fight, for several weeks, 794 00:34:02,541 --> 00:34:06,243 uh, he finally succumbed to his lung issues. 795 00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:10,414 Um... And he passed away peacefully. 796 00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:11,782 [sniffles] 797 00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:18,588 I'm just glad we got down there when we did. 798 00:34:18,624 --> 00:34:20,424 I thought he was gonna [chuckles] walk out of it. 799 00:34:21,527 --> 00:34:24,227 And then there was a point, when, like, "Uh-oh!" 800 00:34:25,264 --> 00:34:27,397 Yeah, it's... a chance he might not. 801 00:34:27,433 --> 00:34:30,500 And then... And then the next day it would be like... 802 00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:33,703 [stutters] You know, going good. 803 00:34:34,506 --> 00:34:35,972 Yeah, the roller-coaster of it. 804 00:34:37,276 --> 00:34:38,141 [sighs softly] 805 00:34:40,846 --> 00:34:42,512 Very nice, that all of you were... 806 00:34:43,615 --> 00:34:47,017 Kids... flew there to say their goodbyes. 807 00:34:47,052 --> 00:34:48,418 That meant a lot to me, 808 00:34:48,454 --> 00:34:49,920 and I'm sure it meant a lot to him. 809 00:34:51,723 --> 00:34:56,960 Towards the end when we knew things looked more dire. I... 810 00:34:56,995 --> 00:34:59,729 uh... notified everybody. All the kids. 811 00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:04,901 And, um... they... um... 812 00:35:07,806 --> 00:35:09,072 Yeah, they all came in. 813 00:35:10,542 --> 00:35:11,541 They... 814 00:35:12,811 --> 00:35:14,911 simply all dropped everything. 815 00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:18,081 When it mattered most, we can all 816 00:35:18,117 --> 00:35:20,117 not get along for this, that, or the other thing, 817 00:35:20,152 --> 00:35:21,284 But when the... when the 818 00:35:22,054 --> 00:35:23,887 crap hit the fan, 819 00:35:23,922 --> 00:35:28,058 within hours, they were... in my dad's... by my dad's side. 820 00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:31,461 A... And all of them were able to be there. 821 00:35:31,497 --> 00:35:32,829 [gulping] 822 00:35:32,865 --> 00:35:36,733 And then, you know, Jeremy, Zachary, Molly, Jacob, and then... 823 00:35:36,768 --> 00:35:40,370 You know, 'course my mom-- mother was there and um... 824 00:35:40,405 --> 00:35:42,906 So, um, it was... 825 00:35:42,941 --> 00:35:45,108 You know, we were there by his side. 826 00:35:47,513 --> 00:35:49,546 [choking up] 827 00:35:53,685 --> 00:35:54,885 [sniffles softly] 828 00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:01,124 Oh, I'm sorry. I know this is hard for you. 829 00:36:04,163 --> 00:36:06,429 I just figured that they were gonna... 830 00:36:06,465 --> 00:36:08,732 You know, we were gonna get more time with them down there... I mean, 831 00:36:08,767 --> 00:36:12,569 they just barely got settled in Arizona. 832 00:36:12,604 --> 00:36:16,039 My parents decided to seek warmer ground 833 00:36:16,074 --> 00:36:17,307 so they moved down to Arizona, 834 00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:21,211 and they happened to land about a mile and a half-- 835 00:36:21,246 --> 00:36:23,680 two miles maybe, from Caryn's parents. 836 00:36:23,715 --> 00:36:26,383 Caryn's parents helped them acclimate to the-- to the area 837 00:36:26,418 --> 00:36:28,351 and get to know people. 838 00:36:28,387 --> 00:36:31,421 I was lookin' forward to, you know, all the time we were gonna be able 839 00:36:31,456 --> 00:36:32,756 to spend with them down there. 840 00:36:32,791 --> 00:36:35,158 And, um... it just kind of... 841 00:36:36,195 --> 00:36:37,727 You know, you feel a little bit, 842 00:36:37,763 --> 00:36:39,930 you feel a little bit robbed. 843 00:36:39,965 --> 00:36:41,765 Yeah, we took 'em to the movies, remember? 844 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,334 -[Matt] Yeah, we took 'em to the movies. Yeah. -[Caryn chuckles] 845 00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:47,237 -[Matt] That was good. Yeah. -That was adorable, watchin' them holdin' hands. 846 00:36:48,207 --> 00:36:50,674 [melancholy music playing] 847 00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:52,409 Boy, he sure loved my mother. 848 00:36:52,444 --> 00:36:54,211 [Caryn] Mm-hmm. 849 00:36:54,246 --> 00:36:57,581 You know that... She's strong, but you know, she's... 850 00:36:57,616 --> 00:37:00,350 Definitely havin' to re-figure out what she can do 851 00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:01,885 and what she can't do and... 852 00:37:03,055 --> 00:37:04,254 -[sighing] Yeah. -Um... 853 00:37:05,157 --> 00:37:06,990 My mother is doing good, 854 00:37:07,025 --> 00:37:09,025 but she also doesn't have him there 855 00:37:09,061 --> 00:37:10,126 as a safety net. 856 00:37:11,129 --> 00:37:12,996 He doted on my mom, and one of his... 857 00:37:13,031 --> 00:37:16,733 one of his last words to me was, 858 00:37:16,768 --> 00:37:19,202 "You know, I really spoiled your mom. 859 00:37:19,238 --> 00:37:21,805 And so, now, I really need to look... 860 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,806 look to you to... 861 00:37:22,841 --> 00:37:25,508 look to me to help take care of her 862 00:37:25,544 --> 00:37:29,479 and make sure she, you know, lives a comfortable, happy life." So um... 863 00:37:29,514 --> 00:37:31,748 And I told him I had... would have that under control. 864 00:37:33,085 --> 00:37:34,684 [Caryn] I loved your dad. He was a great guy. 865 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,722 He was very... positive and... 866 00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:40,290 [Matt] Mm-hmm. 867 00:37:40,325 --> 00:37:43,193 Um... He's gonna be missed, for sure. 868 00:37:43,228 --> 00:37:44,294 -[sniffles] -[Matt] Mm-hmm. 869 00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:48,298 He lived life large, you know, no doubt about that. 870 00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:51,501 My dad was sort of a... larger than life character, 871 00:37:51,536 --> 00:37:54,971 and, um, my dad had a pretty good sense of humor, 872 00:37:55,007 --> 00:37:57,340 and, you know, he gave me a hard time sometimes. 873 00:37:57,376 --> 00:38:00,143 My dad had no fear to say what was on his mind, 874 00:38:00,178 --> 00:38:01,745 and... he'd tell it like it is. 875 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:05,649 You're... You're buildin' a house for whom? 876 00:38:05,684 --> 00:38:07,484 -For these grandbabies that we're talkin' about. -You guys gonna get married? 877 00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,252 -What's the deal here? -[chuckling] 878 00:38:09,288 --> 00:38:12,722 -How can you have a home without a wife? -[chuckles] 879 00:38:12,758 --> 00:38:15,525 He had a big person... "I love people." 880 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,495 He never met a person that he didn't, you know, 881 00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:21,097 wanna visit with and learn about. 882 00:38:21,133 --> 00:38:24,034 -Great to see you, Papa. Thanks for drivin' up. -[laughing with joy] 883 00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:25,769 -Wanna say, "Hi!"? -Lilah, good to see... 884 00:38:25,804 --> 00:38:27,003 -[softly] Hey! Hey! -[Tori] Is he... 885 00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:28,038 [woman] Lilah Ray! 886 00:38:28,073 --> 00:38:30,140 Hey! Not too many guys to say I... 887 00:38:30,175 --> 00:38:32,776 I've snuggled with my great grandpa. 888 00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:34,711 Okay! Here we come! Oh! 889 00:38:35,614 --> 00:38:38,348 [all laughing] 890 00:38:38,383 --> 00:38:40,950 He led a really good life. 891 00:38:40,986 --> 00:38:43,053 And... Uh, he made a big impact 892 00:38:43,088 --> 00:38:45,055 on a lot of people, so it was um... 893 00:38:45,791 --> 00:38:47,223 But it's never easy. 894 00:38:47,259 --> 00:38:49,893 It's always kinda hard to say goodbye to somebody, 895 00:38:49,928 --> 00:38:52,629 here on Earth, but, um, I think, 896 00:38:52,664 --> 00:38:55,999 you know, we can... rest assured that he's 897 00:38:56,034 --> 00:38:57,834 um... in a better place. 898 00:38:57,869 --> 00:38:59,736 So I'm comforted by that. 899 00:39:01,907 --> 00:39:03,340 I don't know if I told you this, but... 900 00:39:03,375 --> 00:39:05,608 couple of days before he passed, he made some 901 00:39:07,245 --> 00:39:08,812 private comments to me. 902 00:39:08,847 --> 00:39:12,349 He wanted everybody to... everybody to love each other. 903 00:39:13,819 --> 00:39:17,487 One of the things my dad said in his final hours or days, 904 00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:19,956 was, "I just want everybody in the family to get along." 905 00:39:19,991 --> 00:39:22,225 You know, and I want the same thing. 906 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:24,994 And it's not just me and them. It's everybody. 907 00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:27,397 So, all you can do is make sure that 908 00:39:27,432 --> 00:39:31,000 you don't bring any additional negativity to the table. 909 00:39:32,404 --> 00:39:35,071 Sometimes things just take time, you know, and... 910 00:39:35,107 --> 00:39:36,873 I'm being respectful of the fact that 911 00:39:36,908 --> 00:39:38,742 Zach and Tori said they needed space, 912 00:39:38,777 --> 00:39:40,844 but I'm gonna try to work constantly 913 00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:42,879 on making sure that the family gets along. 914 00:39:45,450 --> 00:39:47,217 He always wanted everybody to get along. 915 00:39:47,252 --> 00:39:51,421 Those were powerful words that I have embedded in my head. 916 00:39:51,456 --> 00:39:53,656 So, I got a lot of work to do. 917 00:39:54,559 --> 00:39:57,827 [somber instrumental music playing] 918 00:40:04,603 --> 00:40:06,436 -[upbeat music playing] -[narrator] Next on Little People, Big World... 919 00:40:06,471 --> 00:40:08,204 [Chris] We are turning the big six-o. 920 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,672 I know, the big 6-0. 921 00:40:09,708 --> 00:40:12,709 So, are we on agreement of doing a... little celebration. 922 00:40:12,744 --> 00:40:14,711 Yeah, I think we said we were gonna do that. 923 00:40:14,746 --> 00:40:16,112 -Yeah. -Oh, okay. 924 00:40:16,148 --> 00:40:19,082 I've told Chris that, "Yeah, sure. We can have a joint birthday party." 925 00:40:19,117 --> 00:40:21,351 What Chris doesn't know is that I'm working on 926 00:40:21,386 --> 00:40:24,421 a surprise birthday party that's just for him. 927 00:40:24,456 --> 00:40:25,555 It's nerve-wracking, 928 00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:27,624 I find anxiety and just... 929 00:40:27,659 --> 00:40:28,892 casually find out... 930 00:40:28,927 --> 00:40:29,959 Does have a clue? 931 00:40:29,995 --> 00:40:31,928 So, I' really gonna have to work hard 932 00:40:31,963 --> 00:40:33,463 to be able to pull this off. 933 00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:38,368 Jackson! You got your very own bridge? 934 00:40:38,403 --> 00:40:42,071 Feeling reflective on my dad passing away. 935 00:40:42,107 --> 00:40:43,606 And with all the kids, 936 00:40:43,642 --> 00:40:45,341 I'm re-doubling my efforts 937 00:40:45,377 --> 00:40:48,378 to check in on 'em all as often as possible. 938 00:40:48,413 --> 00:40:50,480 Look at that little Josiah. 939 00:40:50,515 --> 00:40:53,049 We want him to be... Have a relationship with his grandkids and all that, 940 00:40:53,084 --> 00:40:55,618 but we wish things didn't go the way they did. 941 00:40:55,654 --> 00:40:58,655 I'm so glad I got to come up and see your farm. 942 00:40:58,690 --> 00:40:59,989 [Zach] Sometimes, things can be awkward 943 00:41:00,025 --> 00:41:01,491 but that's what's to be expected 944 00:41:01,526 --> 00:41:02,725 with where our relationship's at. 945 00:41:09,568 --> 00:41:11,000 -[indistinct chatter] -Hey, guys! They're here! 946 00:41:11,036 --> 00:41:12,769 -[woman] They're pulling in... -They're here, you guys! 947 00:41:12,804 --> 00:41:14,704 -Quiet! [shushes] -[indistinct chatter] 948 00:41:14,739 --> 00:41:16,306 Walkin' up to the venue, 949 00:41:16,341 --> 00:41:18,708 I... I mean, I really got, like, nervous. 950 00:41:18,743 --> 00:41:21,144 [chuckling] I have not pulled this off yet, 951 00:41:21,179 --> 00:41:22,979 until I see the look on his face 952 00:41:23,014 --> 00:41:25,181 and is he actually surprised?