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The Real Housewives of Orange County.
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[laughing]
Put the rocking chair right there,
we're going to turn it right here.
Little less talk, little more work here.
[laughing]
Orgies at our house! Kids are gone!
What's the total square footage?
8,600 square feet.
I've sold almost $100 million in the last 10 years.
Hustle is an understatement.
She's a developer...
That's not a developer, that's a rehabber.
I think we should be nice to her.
I'm going to catch her in a lie, I swear to go I will.
[laughing]
Carmella got me a Dior clutch.
I could see there was another box in there,
it was like, a purple vibrator.
You show up as like, a B invite, and you bring a Dior bag?
If you don't like the bag, go [bleep] yourself.
Good one, right?
Just be happy for your friend
that somebody got her a Dior bag! How about that?
We're having an unboxing party,
so we know exactly where everybody stands.
I am not a Debbie Downer, I'm a positive bitch.
I miss the fun--
It'll come back, I promise you!
Okay, okay.
Heather said she thinks that you're obsessed with her.
What?
Heather has this need to control the narrative,
and it's so ----ing annoying.
Can I just talk?
Let me talk!
You've been talking all night!
Oh! That's rich.
[dramatic music]
[upbeat music]
- Hi! - Hi.
Girl.
Hi!
You're hobbling.
I know. It's... It goes like, I have a good day
and then I have four bad days.
Hi!
I'm not a Debbie Downer, I swear to God, I'm not.
Oh, my God.
You are not.
Anyway, I put down for hydrofacial.
Okay, I'll do the mask.
Okay, so we're going to get you guys in.
Alright, well let's do it!
Yeah!
Well, we're going to be nice and easy and relaxing,
we're going to have you leaving--
I am not a Debbie Downer.
I've been called a lot of things in my life,
but I've never been called a Debbie Downer.
- So excited about life. - How is this?
- Debbie Downer. - That really bothers you.
Oh, I hate that.
I mean, nobody can say, Vicki, tonight's the night
you're gonna whoop it up.
No, I'm not on call to whoop it up.
And then older I get, the less whooping it up happens.
While she's kind of starting,
do you wanna get started with your mask?
- Oh sure, of course! - How about that?
How'd you feel about the box party?
I saw a softer side of Heather.
- Really? - Yeah.
I always thought she was kind of a cold fish.
Like, nothing hurts her.
I went to dinner with Heather,
but sometimes I feel like everything has to present
so perfect for Heather,
that sometimes as her girlfriend, like, I don't care
if everything's not perfect.
I wanna know my friend isn't sitting at a dinner one night,
talking mad sh-- about me,
and the next day, you're gonna check on me.
Because in my mind,
that makes me feel it's not real.
When something happens between us,
I will come to you directly...
Okay.
And I really hope you take a step back.
Yep.
I do love who Heather is,
and I think she's a really good person.
And I wanna rebuild,
and let's rebuild from a place of authenticity. Like honesty.
I got together the other day with Tamra and Carmella, and--
How was that?
We had so much fun.
Carmella has so many layers.
[exhales]
[upbeat music]
[doorbell rings]
Hi! Look how good you look!
I feel like we even have the same vibe today!
- So, welcome. - Thank you!
Garage, elevator...
I'll pretend like I'm a hardworking
real estate agent here.
Oh, yeah, sell me the place.
God, these stairs never end.
They never end.
Two bedrooms. There's a private suite up here...
Cute little neighborhood, right?
Oh, this is nice.
Is this your daughter?
That's my almost 18-year-old.
- She's so pretty! - Oh, thank you.
Does it get any better after 13, 'cause mine's 13
and I tell you, she is a piece of work.
The middle school years are so tough,
they turn into complete assholes.
Yeah.
Um, and then, it's just different.
It is different, yeah.
It's hard in it's own ways, like,
I'd like to say I'm not as physically tired.
- It's the mental exhaustion... - The mental...
Or the driving!
Yeah.
What can I get you to drink? Can I make us lattes?
Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Okay, so, the kids are in Rancho, Santa Fe.
Yes.
But they go to school there,
so that's why they're there, mostly.
Yes, that's why they're there.
Okay. But you have a place here because you...
- My office is here. - Okay.
And I can kind of just dive into work.
Okay.
It's just like my happy place.
And I'm so rigid and structured down there,
and this is a little bit of like, freedom for me.
Yeah.
Carmella is a hustler, I think she works hard,
I think she enjoys making her own money
and supporting herself,
and I find all those things admirable,
and she needs to lead with that, not with expensive gifts.
[chuckling]
So, I went to dinner the other night
with Jenn and Tamra.
And they let me know that there was like, all kinds of talk...
Vicki had a conversation with Gina.
They are trying to piece it together,
what does Carmella do? You buy land and develop?
Well, I think Vicki... she said that you were a liar.
And that you didn't know what you were talking about.
I develop properties.
I've been doing it for almost a decade.
Mm-hmm.
To be called a liar,
like I'm a lot of ----ing things, right?
Liar isn't one of them.
- Like, that's insulting. - Yeah, I don't know...
Vicki is incorrect.
Whether it's cosmetic remodels, ground-up construction,
build new spec homes, you're developing real estate.
So I don't know where she gets this like... cuckoo crazy sh--.
Like, get a hobby.
Do you think it's a generational thing with Vicki?
It's like this 1950s sitcom where like, if you're a woman,
you're not showing up on a construction site.
No, I think Vicki's just crazy.
My Mike is a developer, she's not a developer.
No, she told Tamra and I, her first project,
she did a million-four on her own.
Why is she telling you her profit margins?
That's weird to me.
I call bullsh-- to anybody that's lying.
I think she's very sweet,
I think she wants to be, obviously, very generous,
like, the gift she gave Emily,
and she is inviting me to do development projects with her.
I'll have to show you the last luxury renovation that I did.
- It was cute. - I wanna see it.
It's fun!
Do the next project. We'll have so much fun.
You're going to love it.
I have no idea what the [bleep] you're talking about.
Just work on this with me and see if you like it. Try one.
Oh, for God's sake.
I'm going to be a boss bitch.
You need to stay in your lane on what you know
and what you do.
Financial independence is critical,
and I need to know, what is that? And what do I do?
And Carmella was sharing with me all about being a developer
and her real estate business.
Has Carmella done really well financially for herself? Yeah.
Would I love that for myself? Yeah. Tell me more.
So what would Jenn help you with?
Picking out, like, the tiles
and help me put together the design.
It would just be good for Jenn to experience it,
and I'd be paying somebody anyway.
How do you decide like, how much of a kickback Jenn gets?
For like, her contribution.
I told I'd give her like 20,000 bucks.
[dramatic music]
You just gave me a $3,000 bag,
and everybody had a problem with it,
and now you're gonna give Jenn $20,000--
She'd be working!
To pick out some tiles?
Okay, no, no, no.
I'll pick out some tiles!
[laughing]
That's such a random, arbitrary number,
did you just pull that out of the air?
It's an opportunity for Jenn to try something new.
And it can be a very lucrative career.
It's very important to empower women.
It just seems messy.
I have a red flag, icky gut about her.
I don't like braggers!
I think they're trying to buy their way into the friends,
like it's weird.
I'm gonna save you, I'm gonna give you a job,
you're going to make a million dollars. Bull-flipping-sh--.
Don't get hurt, and don't invest any money in it.
Jenn's just like, oh, she wants to hire me!
Really? It's going to go so wrong.
I guarantee you, Carmella's gonna ask Ryan
for money to develop their next project.
I'm not stupid.
Whatever she wants to do, cool.
[chuckles]
Good luck, bitch.
[dramatic music]
So did you get an invite to Vicki's event?
Even though she thinks you're a liar.
[laughs]
I think so.
I want to invite you. I want you to go, and I'm hoping you'll go.
I mean, I would love to.
Do you think she'll be irritated that you brought me?
No. I don't really care.
Vicki has not given Carmella a chance.
I mean, you don't normally get a new friend
that's just so open like that, and I like that!
I do feel a little bit uncomfortable walking into that.
I mean, right now, it's just your career-
do you have any criminal background?
I do, I mean, I do.
Oh, have they brought that up yet?
[laughing]
Not yet! I mean, I guess...
Wait, what was it for?
So I did get convicted of violating a restraining order.
So you had to have a restraining order
in order to violate a restraining order.
Something happened with some woman,
and my ex-husband,
who was not my husband at the time,
we had an altercation...
And then she got a temporary restraining order against you.
Yes, I violated it.
But you... did you violate it on purpose?
Like, you knew you were violating it?
Yes and no.
[laughing]
I wasn't allowed within like 100 yards of her.
Uh-huh.
And I was being hard-headed,
and we were at the same place at the same time--
- And you wouldn't leave? - I'm being a hard-ass,
and I wouldn't leave.
But you never touched her?
No, I couldn't reach her. I probably would have.
But what do you mean, couldn't reach her?
So, I'm at this bar.
They have tables just like this, and they have stripper poles...
Okay, I totally wanna go there, where is this place?
It was in Ohio.
Oh, my God! Of course it is.
I might have been there that night, I don't know.
And I'm like, I should get up there.
So I'm on the stripper pole--
Yes, you should get up there.
And the woman starts talking sh-- to me.
Was it an ex of his?
Yes.
And then I started saying things back.
Okay.
And then her friend takes a drink and nails me
in the face.
- You get assaulted-- - Yes!
...but you're arrested?
That was the irony in it.
So I got not guilty on the assault,
but I got convicted of...
Violating the restraining order.
[chuckling]
I just wanna go to this bar in Ohio and swing on a pole now.
Right? [laughing]
That's where I'm at. Like, can we do that?
That's the Carmella I wanna know.
I wanna know all the dirty details.
I've calmed down immensely over the years.
Lesson learned, I was 20.
How embarrassing.
You are who you are. I find it refreshing and fun.
Listen, this is where you went wrong.
You shouldn't have led with,
I'm a real estate agent or developer,
you should have led with, I had to go trial for assault
and I also violated a restraining order.
So watch yourself.
[laughing]
Coming up...
I did not sleep last night.
And it was mostly about Emily!
[dramatic music]
I'm so upset.
[upbeat music]
[knocking]
Hello?
What'd you bring with you?
Oh, I got you some little things.
- You look cute! - You look cute.
Where's Jasper?
He's so excited. He loves all the space.
It looks good!
It feels a lot more homey than it originally did.
I woke up the first night, and I was like, dang,
where am I?
This feels wrong.
But now it's feeling a lot more... me.
Like, yeah.
So you love it?
Yeah. You like my decor?
Yeah but that picture's crooked.
I did that on purpose. Just to bug you.
Even though Sophia's not that far away,
I think it's harder than I thought it was gonna be,
not having her at home.
This came out nice.
I know. I'm living out my Elden Ring fantasies.
I don't even know what that means.
[laughing]
Well, I knew where her every move was,
and now I'm like, where is she?
But I wanna see my little girl just spread her wings and fly
and become independent.
Hey! You're splashing me!
But I'm also gonna miss her.
I can't just keep her at home
and not let her out of the bubble.
Yeah, it's bittersweet.
So what's going on with Nico? Everything good?
Yeah. We've been hanging out a lot now.
Does he have a key?
Not yet. I'm gonna give him one, though.
- You are? - Yeah, why not?
You think this is the one?
- This is the forever? - Yes!
Yes, I know this is the one.
- Really? - Husband.
- Yeah.
I mean, you're not in, like, a huge hurry?
No, I'm not in a huge hurry.
I think it's just more nice to be like,
I love this person so much that we're legally, like, together.
I also just like beautiful wedding gowns,
and like, the whole event of it all.
I think that'd be fun.
I am in total shock. However, Nico is such a good kid.
He loves her so much, he treats her so well.
But I made sure before Sophia moved out
that I put her on birth control.
Because when I was Sophia's age, I had a two-year-old.
[child crying]
So, how did your party go?
I think it was good, and, um...
Shannon came over early to help me set up.
Is it too much?
No! I'll be okay.
But it's a lot for you to carry!
Well, you know, I'm trying to work out.
Did you guys end up punching each other?
[chuckling] No.
I'm hopeful that we can continue to move forward like this...
Yeah.
- And we can be... - Do you think you will?
I think so. I think so. But I mean, I never know.
It's tough to move forward with Shannon Beador.
But on the other side, Shannon's got this big heart,
so I'm going to hold on to this friendship, see where it goes.
Am I cautious? Yeah.
But I'm trying. I'm trying, I'm trying! It's a softer me.
You can't just change overnight!
I mean, it's so crazy that you're outta the house.
It's crazy to me that I'm like, a grown woman now.
Always being the youngest.
I always felt like a child, and now I'm like, dang.
You always know, there's always a place for you at the house,
it's just not in the casita.
Yeah, dang it.
[laughing]
[upbeat music]
Hi!
- Hey! - There you are!
Hi! Mwah.
Sorry, you guys.
- Oh hi! - Hi!
- Hi, honey! - How are you?
Sorry!
Honey, that's okay!
Hi!
Are we all set to get some dinner started?
I'm gonna do the ribeye house butchered.
Filet, cooked medium well.
Ma'am, for your dinner?
The flatiron steak.
I'd like a New York steak.
Perfect, alright.
I'm getting drunk.
I love that for you.
The whooping up girl's coming out!
Yeah. [laughing]
Who do you have to know to not be a Debbie Downer!
That really bothered you!
I'm just gonna call you Deb.
Thanks.
No offense to all Debs out there,
but I am not a Debbie Downer. I don't wanna be called Deb.
Deb's favorite phrase is "boo-hoo," 'cause, you know,
the opposite of "woo-hoo."
- Wow. - Bon appetit, everyone.
I saw Tamra recently, and had a very honest,
good conversation, I thought, and we're moving forward.
Social bestie.
It's me.
When we're together, we're good,
but then, when you talk to other people, I'm just confused.
Just in the past year, I'm like, is she a social friend,
does she not want to be seen with me?
Guess who the only person who has been there for you? It's me.
But I gotta tell you something, this does not add up to me,
because I have done nothing but prove to you
what a good friend I am!
[tearing] I'm sorry.
We all know that it's much more difficult for Tamra
to take accountability for a lot of stuff.
But I appreciate her apology, 'cause for the first time,
I felt there was some genuineness to it.
When I got home, Tamra said I can't believe you came early
and helped me decorate... thank you so much...
And then it went back and forth.
I don't want this to be like, our thing.
With Tamra, we're at a peaceful place,
and I appreciate any apology, but what holds me back is...
...the rollercoaster.
I don't want to ride it anymore.
I'm afraid of heights.
I think that I have a unique ability to be able to go okay,
I don't like this.
So, I need to put this over here so I can be your friend.
I understand that, Heather, but I do think that there is
like, a sensitive side of you.
I'm glad you're telling me that, 'cause I have to tell you,
I did not sleep last night.
And it was mostly about Emily.
At the start of this year, she said to me,
"Oh, my God, you're one of my best friends."
I was with Jenn, and I said,
you know, I consider Heather one of my best friends.
I love that.
But when I saw her and Jenn and Tamra sitting outside,
and we were all inside, she came in, didn't look at me
or talk to me when she came back in the room.
Well, you know that Emily told Jenn what you had told her about
the being obsessed thing.
I am upset because there was no context to it.
Okay.
And then Emily told me to stop talking.
Nobody wants to hear that.
I know I'm overly sensitive, whatever, but I'm so upset.
I grew up in a family that wasn't the warmest,
and so my friendships are family to me.
I should be allowed to be who I am.
So what Emily did was so disappointing to me.
Well, yeah, I mean, I get it.
And I know how Emily could be, she's my best friend!
I know, but sometimes, it can go over the line to cause hurt.
I... and I'm seeing that, and I understand.
I'm sorry that your feelings got hurt,
and I hate seeing you upset.
Emily was harsh that night.
It's not easy to be holding Emily accountable,
but I feel like it's the right thing to do
for both of my friends in this circumstance.
You should talk to her about it.
I'd be happy to.
Thank you for being honest with us, we love you.
I love you, too.
I just wanna know, who do you have to know
to whoop it up around here?
Alright! Whoop it up!
No Debbie Downers around here!
I'm not a Debbie Downer, bitches!
[laughing]
- Cheers, Deb. - Woo-hoo!
Debbie! Debbie Downer!
Coming up...
It's just odd to meet somebody,
here's a Dior bag and something to masturbate with.
[upbeat music]
Hi!
Hi there. Do you have a table for two?
Yep. Of course.
Wow, this is, like, crowded, Dad!
How are we doing with the menu?
Very good.
I'll do a Ketel One soda.
And can I have the chicken parmesan?
Chicken parm?
He'll have a glass of Prosecco.
Yeah.
He's gonna have the sole, thank you.
I'll get that started for us.
- Thank you. - Thank you.
- You look good. - Yeah.
You look good for 97!
[laughing]
Growing up, I thought I was nothing like my father.
And as I sit with him today, I realize we're very similar.
Gene the Machine is outgoing, and I am as well!
I remember when you were 96,
with Marilyn Monroe giving you a kiss on the cheek!
[chuckling]
I will probably come up with a name for myself when I'm 97.
Shannon the Cannon?
[boom]
Beador-a the Explor-a.
Encore Beador!
[applause]
Hardcore Beador.
Beador Conquistador!
A little Español.
So, you know, I had the meeting with the bookkeeper.
How is that going?
My problem is, is that I put my head in the sand.
But I told her I had a six-month goal of getting anything
that I owe, or anything out of the way.
When I grew up, I would work every Saturday and Sunday.
We had cars to wash, we had to rake the driveway
for $3 an hour.
That's the rate I negotiated.
But yet, I never learned budgeting.
If there was money in the account,
and I wanted something,
that means that you can go buy it.
I would love to live by you,
but I'm not going to spend that much money on a house.
What is your dream of a retirement?
I don't know! You gotta help me with that.
I will.
And now, here I am at 62,
realizing you can't ignore your finances anymore!
'Cause no one else is taking care of it but you.
My new friend, Carmella, she lives in Rancho,
and then Corona Del Mar.
When we moved to Rancho Santa Fe,
and we still had our house in Los Angeles...
Yeah.
How many years did you have that house in LA?
Three or four. I was stupid, I should've kept the house!
I bought that house in Rancho Santa Fe as a summer house.
So fall came, and then--
So Mom said, I wanna stay?
Everybody said, we wanna stay.
Well, Dad, I didn't wanna stay. I wanted to go back to LA.
It weighed so heavy on me,
because I thought that if I said no, we would've packed up and--
Yeah.
...my brother and my sister and mother would've been
- angry at me. - Yeah.
- So I caved. - I know.
I had friends in LA, I loved my school in LA.
I know! I didn't have the balls to say we're going back to LA
and run my business.
You're like me, Dad. We kind of like the faster pace.
Yeah.
I don't wanna stay in my old house,
where I see nobody walk by.
I like where I live now, I go sit outside,
I say hello to people when they walk by...
Right, right.
I was 10 years old, it's not like my opinion of
I wanna go back to Los Angeles would have changed anything.
But it does make me realize that even though I might not be
in the best financial position right now,
today I'm happy in Corona Del Mar.
So I'm going to trust my gut and my instincts,
and I am old enough to make my own choices.
It's very impressive that you went to school
in a one-room schoolhouse.
Yeah.
The success that you made of yourself, I'm proud of you.
And I'm... I'm still trying.
I made it through. [chuckling]
Well, you did. With a bang.
[laughing]
[upbeat music]
Hey, bitch!
Look at you just standing out on that corner.
Trying to make some money.
Yeah! [laughing]
Everybody just keeps passing me by!
Yeah! [laughing]
I'm like, yep, sorry.
You're a retired hooker?
How are you?
Honestly, Tamra, I'm freakin'... exhausted.
My stepdaughter had emergency appendectomy
in the middle of the night last night.
Yeah.
Oh, jeez.
Thankfully, it wasn't ruptured, so surgery itself
was laparoscopic, it was an hour long.
And then, two hours later, she was allowed to come home.
Aw, poor thing!
I know!
My stepdaughter wanted me to come,
but you have to call her mom.
You don't beat around that.
This is one of those times
that's actually just really difficult to navigate
as a step-parent,
because although I want to be there for my step-child,
if it is in their best interest to get through a circumstance
where it is stressful,
I am not going to do anything that is going to cause
more stress for them. That's the bottom line.
I say, try to stay out of it as much as I can,
but obviously, I'm very much involved in it.
Yeah.
What's been going on with you?
Well, I went to dinner with Jenn and Carmella.
How did that go?
Carmella's not very happy with you.
Is it Gina you're upset with?
Yes, to like, accuse me of having of, like,
having an ulterior motive?
Yeah.
To like, buying a... like, that's gross.
It's just odd to meet somebody...
here's a Dior bag and something to masturbate with.
[laughing]
And it just struck me as weird,
and, of course, I'm going to communicate that to Emily,
like, I do think it's weird!
But Emily's like, hanging out with Carmella,
throwing me under the bus!
Emily and I, we were invited by Carmella
to go to an exercise class.
And Emily talked about the purse.
Thank you so much for the bag.
But I will tell you, Gina's been very vocal about it.
That you have like, a... like, motive behind it.
Oh, Emily!
I honestly don't know if Emily was concussed that day
that she told Carmella,
because that was supposed to be a safe space.
Of course I talk sh-- about Carmella to you,
you're my best ----ing friend.
Wait for this...
So...
We're talking, me, Jenn, Carmella.
And she says, about her career and what she does,
and she says, "Well I'm bringing Jenn in on my next project."
Jenn Pedranti?
Why can't Carmella just make friends like a normal person?
It's all just money, money, money to me,
which always is kind of a red flag to me.
You sound like Vicki now!
[laughing]
Oh! Well, yeah, I mean,
this woman has way bigger fish to fry than me.
I mean, Vicki's the one who's going around saying,
"I don't like her, I think she's a liar,
and she's Carmella De Vil!"
Oh, she can't even get her name straight.
It's just, something feels wrong to me.
Do you think she's full of sh-- about it?
I don't know her well enough.
I mean, I had a lovely conversation with her.
Then when you do look at other things...
You know, you are kind of like, huh.
She's like, she's doing too much. You know what I mean?
It's like... designer bags and sex toys.
Oh, if only it was a designer dildo!
Right? I know!
Coming up....
That's a character flaw.
Don't put me in a box like that, baby,
because if I think that something's weird
for my best friend, I'm gonna say it.
[upbeat music]
What do I wear to a winery?
You can't go wrong with all black.
I'm so tired of wearing pants!
I'm gonna text Jenn.
What are you wearing to the winery?
Text them all.
What are you wearing to the winery?
Question mark.
What are you wearing to the winery?
Question mark.
What are you wearing to the winery?
Question mark.
Okay, Heather...
Pants and a grey jacket. I hope I have a bra.
[laughing]
Well, I'm definitely not wearing this.
[laughing]
I love your sweats.
These are Ryan's that are covered in...
Dog hair.
[train horn]
[upbeat music]
Oh, how pretty.
Hi, Vicki, good to see you.
Hi, Sylvia, welcome to Rancho Capistrano Winery!
Yes, yes, I've been here quite often, it's beautiful.
- Oh, wonderful, thank you. - Thanks for having us.
So, this is where you're going to be dining this evening.
Okay, I'm not sitting at the end.
I'm going to sit here.
[chuckles]
When I sit at the end, people call me a Debbie Downer
'cause I can't hear what they're saying.
Oh no! Oh yeah, right, 'cause you can't hear them.
- Mama needs a drink. - Alright!
[groans]
Came to the right place!
Do you like spicy stuff?
Let's do it.
Cheers.
[coughing]
Oh, I like it.
Welcome to Rancho Capistrano Winery!
Thank you! How are you?
Who do you have to know to whoop it up around here with?
Oh! Look at you, sexy mama!
[laughing]
Hi.
Hi, honey.
You know Carmella's gonna be here, right?
- I didn't invite her. - Well, I did.
Are you going to be nice to her?
Ish.
I don't know, she bugs me, I think she's a liar.
You have to get through-- you have to get through to me.
- Are you gonna tell her that? - No, I just, I just have to...
Maybe just, maybe get to know her a little bit better.
[scoffs]
The more they're telling me to like Carmella,
the more I'm not gonna like her.
Just let me decide this on my own.
But it doesn't... sniff... smell the sniff test.
Is that right?
The smelling sniff test.
It doesn't sniff the sniff test.
[laughs]
Wait, is... what is that? Doesn't pass the sniff test!
[upbeat music]
Hi!
- You cut your hair! - I know!
- I love it! - Why a wine tasting?
So, I'm in a really good mood tonight.
Don't get used to it, 'cause some days I'm crabby.
[laughing]
So you wanna prove that you're not a Debbie Downer?
Well, I don't have to prove it to anybody!
You are lots of fun.
When you want to be fun, you are fun.
Can you record that please?
But sometimes, you don't want to be fun.
- Then you are not fun. - That's called being human.
Debbie Downer's eating you alive, Vicki?
How about just be fun
and then not bring up Debbie Downer 100 times?
Get a backbone!
- Hi! - Hi!
[chuckling]
- Oh, hi! - Hi!
Hi, hi, hi! How are you?
Hi! Nice to see you!
- Hello! - Hello!
Top of the morning!
Hi! Thank you.
That is Carmella.
I don't know her!
You need to knock it the [bleep] off.
We already had a talk with her.
I don't know her, I don't know her,
I met her once, kind of at a distance.
Okay, well, you clearly invited her to an event.
- How are you? - Good, good.
- Hi! I'm Vicki. - How are you? We've met before.
Well, ish, I think we've met ish.
Didn't I meet this bitch already?
Like why are you saying, nice to meet you? Is that on purpose?
- I'm Carmella. - Really good to meet you!
Hi, it's nice to meet you, too.
Hello!
You look wonderful!
I love the housecoat!
Come on, I'm not forgettable.
- I don't drink wine. Do you? - I don't really either.
That's what I said!
- Oh... - You have vodka in your purse?
You brought vodka in your pocket?
Damn right.
- Of course you did. - In my pocket? Look.
It's just getting better and better.
I'm not much of a wine drinker, because one time in the past,
I had taken my clothes off when drinking wine...
I just do, like, risqué stuff.
Thank you.
First it's a vibrator, then a Dior bag,
now she has vodka in her pocket.
She's like the magician that just keeps like, the rabbit,
the scarf... [chuckling]
Just keeps going.
Hello!
Hey!
Get some wine!
I don't drink!
- Oh, sh--! - Yeah.
They have hot water, we're good.
Okay, everyone! We are gonna whoop it the [bleep] up.
Oh, wow.
Vicki came to whoop it up.
I am not a Debbie Downer!
Oh, okay.
Cheers to that.
Okay, so you're spilling now.
Deb, you're spilling.
You guys, this is Keith.
- Kyle. - No, Kyle.
- Oh, Kyle. - Try again.
Welcome, everybody to Rancho Capistrano Winery.
I brought out several whites, several reds.
I am not going to be a Debbie Downer tonight,
'cause this is gonna go down super easy!
Let's play a drinking game.
Every time Vicki says Debbie Downer,
we're gonna take a sip.
Come on, Debbie Downer, let's go!
I'm not a Debbie Downer!
Here we go again, more wine!
I don't wanna be a Debbie Downer!
Mine's almost done! Who needs Debbie Downer?
Debbie Downer...
Debbie Downer.
Debbie Downer!
Wait, I don't wanna get that drunk.
I know you guys are moving on to dinner next, so enjoy.
- Thank you, Kyle! - Thank you, Kyle!
Sure thing.
Good evening, lovely ladies. May I grab your entrée order?
I'll do a steak, medium.
Cowboy, medium.
We're gonna split the avocado crunch salad.
Flank steak. Can we split it?
Yeah, it's a big dish, yeah, definitely.
I'll do this... [indistinct]
...plain.
Thank you so much.
I love that it's Vicki's whoop-it-up night. I love that.
Okay, you guys, we're gonna whoop it up tonight
if we don't do it here!
I've created a monster.
- You created a monster. - Yes.
She's upset about it.
[tense music]
You know what it was, Vicki?
I just... I haven't seen you for many years,
and my expectation was more of, like, a very vivacious,
vibrant--
But you know what? As you get older,
you don't do it as much as you did...
No, I know, but I miss that Vicki, so I said--
Well, it's gonna come back!
Okay, well, I love that.
It's gonna come back slowly and then it's gonna go large!
[laughing]
Vicki's sensitive, like, I don't think people really--
Just like you!
I know! I know.
We had dinner, um, with Gina. Heather, Vicki, and I,
after your box party, and Heather...
...you know, also got very emotional.
She's hurt.
By you.
[dramatic music]
Heather got very emotional.
She's hurt.
By you.
What... by what?
I'm confused.
We went from, oh, my God, you're one of my best friends.
And then, we go to Tamra's house,
and then, you told me to be quiet,
why are you always talking? You're constantly talking...
I didn't say, be quiet! You said, "Can I talk?"
And I said, "You've been talking all night."
[dramatic music]
I couldn't talk at all
because I felt like I get cut off all the time.
You never get cut off, Emily, you talk a lot.
- And-- - So do you!
- Yes, we both do! - You go into monologues!
By the way, I know brevity isn't my strong suit,
that's one of the things we like about each other!
Exactly!
Right, so why are you ragging on me for it?
- I'm not! - You did.
Because I said you've been talking all night,
that's a statement of fact.
I knew that Heather was upset with me after that party.
I'm not dumb.
All I was doing, I felt like, was standing up for myself.
But I can't alter who I am
and become someone totally different to accommodate
her needs.
And that's the part that, like, irritates the [bleep] outta me.
You guys gotta talk louder
'cause the girls on the end can't hear you!
Are there gonna be Debbie Downers down there?
Wait, didn't you say she said, "Shut the [bleep] up?"
I did not say that.
- Where did I hear that? - I didn't hear that.
I never said that.
Yeah, but it wasn't like, nice. You told her to stop talking.
I don't even remember it!
And I didn't say shut the [bleep] up!
It's just the sentiment
that she's trying to communicate that she--
I understand, I'm sitting across from her...
- And I'm listening to her. - I know that!
I don't need you to jump in.
Oh, wow.
Don't say you don't need me, that's not nice.
I meant for this conversation, not in general.
I'm just trying to get you to see that you hurt her feelings,
'cause she loves you, and then you snap!
Like, I don't like that,
I don't like that you say you don't need me,
that hurts my ----ing feelings, don't say that.
I didn't! I said I don't need you in the conversation.
Well, I-I--
I can't get to a resolution if everyone's chiming in.
Do I need to whip a boob out right now and like, break it up?
[dramatic music]
[laughing]
I need you in life,
I don't need you in this conversation right now.
Listen, it wasn't very nice.
Those things, in a bubble, was a complete departure
from the relationship that we've been having,
and I didn't get it, and it really hurt my feelings.
I'm sorry that your feelings were hurt.
All those things that I've said to you are true.
They can both be true at once.
You can still be someone that I trust,
and one of my closest friends,
and someone that I would pick up the phone and call
and ask for advice, and you can mean the world to me,
and I can still be irritated one night.
And those things can still be true.
So if that's the way you felt when I said that, I apologize.
From the bottom of my heart,
'cause I would never want you to feel that.
It's okay.
But let's just be communicative with each other, okay?
Yeah, you're right, I agree, yeah.
I don't need an apology, I just need her to stop poking.
And then, maybe we could move forward.
Can you get me another glass of champagne?
I'm going hard tonight.
[laughing]
Hey, you guys, Emily and I met with Carmella,
and the topic came up of the gift that she gave Emily
for her birthday.
And we all did pipe in. I said it was very extravagant.
We're gonna send you a list of everyone's birthday.
I welcome it.
To be honest with you, I was caught off-guard.
Can I explain to you my point of view,
because I did hear that you heard about this.
- Yes. - And I don't want to get off
on the wrong foot with you.
And I don't want you to be offended by this,
so I want you to understand where I'm coming from.
Sure. Absolutely.
Okay? So, that's my best friend.
You go to dinner with my best friend.
The feedback that I heard that you had for her after dinner
was that she talks too much, she asks too many questions.
So, are you married?
How did you end up in California?
What do you mean, working for Playboy?
Emily is a very good, like, questioner.
- She's an attorney. - Yes.
I know that it came from a good place,
but it was a lot and... quickly, I guess.
It wasn't like you came out of that dinner and you were like,
"Oh, my God, we clicked, we're fast friends,
I love this chick!"
And then you come to her birthday party...
While we were there, I kept hearing you say,
"Let's open the gifts, let's open the gifts!"
Okay, this is just my perspective.
Right.
And then she gets home and the gift is a Dior bag
and something to masturbate with!
To me, Carmella, this is a weird gift!
This is it! It's a weird gift.
To me, in isolation, each of these items is weird.
And together, I'm like, who the [bleep] is Carmella?
It blew my ----ing mind.
I feel like Gina's a little jealous of Carmella!
She's given her best friend a Dior bag,
she's got her dream job. Ruh roh!
Let me back up to the dinner with Emily.
My take was not that she talks too much.
It was that I felt insecure and exposed
because she asked a lot of questions.
I even told Heather, I know this wasn't her intention.
I get it, she's an attorney, maybe it's by trade.
But I feel like everything's that maybe defective
is, like, out on the table.
I asked a lot of questions because one,
I was trying to get to know you.
When I sit down at dinner with someone,
and I'm meeting them for the first time,
I'm making an effort because I wanna know who they are.
But I don't spill
all my sh-- to people in five ----ing minutes!
It was marriage, boyfriend, cheating, like, divorce.
Like, it was a lot at once.
Well, and maybe I ask more questions than normal
because I found it difficult to get a straight answer
out of you.
Maybe it wasn't the best start for me,
and maybe I felt uncomfortable,
and then going into your birthday party,
I knew I was running the risk of the vibrator
if she didn't have a good sense of humor.
But she opened it in front of her kids!
Well, that wasn't the intention.
- That's not her fault. - We were at a drag show.
So it was kind of fitting for-- for the occasion.
I didn't intend on you opening it in front of your kids,
I didn't intend on my cleaning lady
putting seven of the other ones that I ordered for her
on the floor.
You ordered eight vibrators?
Opposite of what people might think,
I'm not a vibrator connoisseur...
Any clit suckers?
Stop!
They have those new clit suckers!
Had I known it would cause, like, this amount of chaos,
I probably wouldn't have done it.
But I wanted to do something nice.
You had that beautiful cream suit.
It was gold, it matched it.
I saw it, I thought of her, and that was it.
But then it's weird to me
that somebody who made you feel uncomfortable,
you would turn up to their birthday and buy them
such an extravagant gift.
It does read a little bit like,
does she like to flash her money around?
Oh, my God.
Gina is either jealous that she didn't get a Dior bag,
or she felt like maybe Carmella was trying too hard.
What is happening right now, Gina?
Take it down a notch!
I'm offended by... saying that I have ulterior motives,
because that insinuates--
I didn't! I, I didn't say that, I said-- I actually said
I was intrigued by it.
You said, is she trying to buy your friendship?
That was one of the things. It was very intriguing to me.
Which is like, calculated and disingenuous.
- Yeah. - Right.
But that would mean that I'm-that's a character flaw.
But I don't know!
Don't put me in a box like that, baby, because if I think
that something's weird
for my best friend, I'm gonna say it!
And I'm not going to apologize for that.
But you said it to everyone in the group.
Gina, call me. Call me.
I don't even have your phone number!
You didn't even have her phone number
and you bought her a Dior bag and a dildo!
[dramatic music]
You said, is she trying to buy your friendship?
That's a character flaw.
But I don't know!
But you said it to everyone in the group.
Gina, call me. Call me.
I don't even have your phone number!
You didn't even have her phone number
and you bought her a Dior purse and a dildo!
She got the perfect size.
It looks great and feels great.
It's fun. I thought it was a lovely gift.
It's okay that you think it's weird or extravagant,
but guess what? It's me.
Okay. Okay!
It's me!
I thought your gift was weird as [bleep],
and I will own that because I did.
But I'm gonna let you know it too,
you have way bigger fish to fry than me.
I did think your gift was weird, but this one over here--
I did too.
Not just the gift, you're calling her a liar!
You're saying she's full of sh-- about her business and stuff!
Vicki has questions about what you do.
I don't know why it's so complicated what I do!
Pretty basic.
The fact that you're hiring Jenn to be a developer?
She's not hiring me, God!
Do we push women down and not like, push them forward?
I'm all about elevated.
Right, like at what point do we not try to help friends
and all cross the finish line together?
Vicki has not spent any time with me,
to even get to know me as a person,
but she's the first one to throw out all kinds of accusations,
like she knows everything about your life.
Her level of self-importance appears very high to me.
So my future husband is a developer.
If we get married or not, doesn't... schematics.
He developed the residence of Little Nell.
that's a developer. You buy the land, you build--
There can be different levels of develop.
Well, I'm just asking the questions.
Gina, Vicki and Tamra told me that you said
she wasn't even an agent.
I did not say that!
She has her real estate license!
I'm a mother----ing broker! I'm not just an agent!
That's what I'm saying!
You can check these things,
like, I have a real estate licence,
I have a California broker's license.
Like, I have sold multiple properties that you can see,
transactions that have closed.
And she's an investor, this is where I'm trying to be!
I get it, I get it.
When you purchase property,
whether it's raw land or a remodel,
that's real estate development.
Buying a property and flipping it?
That's not a developer.
And I think she's got the word wrong.
She's a flipper.
I feel like it's like a sorority,
like, this is like my initiation.
All this chaos is like, making me hungry.
It's hard sometimes to take people on face value,
but I will do that with you.
- And I do apologize, okay? - Thank you. Thank you.
And if you give me your phone number,
next time I will call you.
Thank you very much, I do appreciate it,
and I don't have bad intentions.
I'm sorry everything you've done out of kindness
has turned into, like, a disaster.
I'm not mad, I get where it came from. I'm not mad anymore.
I actually have seen her many times since the dinner,
and we've gone to an exercise class, I've been to her home.
She actually came back to me
and said she felt like you were a girl's girl.
I think it was just because it was her,
and because of the circumstances.
I respect your loyalty to your friend, I do.
I, I just... So, I'm sorry.
Thank you very much.
In all honesty, I never meant for Carmella to even know
that I was talking sh-- about her in the first place,
so I'm very happy that we can move forward.
Alright.
May all our fights be about purses.
Cheers to Carmella!
Thank you for the bag, I love it!
Our birthday's coming up next!
Vicki likes her, yay!
She doesn't know your name, but she--
It's Cruella.
[laughing]
[chuckles]
Next on the Real Housewives of Orange County.
You guys are going to become real Vegas showgirls.
- Oh! - Ooh.
[spitting]
Your ----ing feathers are in my face!
You're not seeing, like, I'm trying.
I'm not ever getting over it.
[dramatic music]
I love how you're just like, she'll be fine.
Alright, yes, dear.
She is stressed, but that's starting to irritate me.
Right.
Heather brought up that it bothers her
that we roomed together.
She doesn't have the control.
I don't wanna feel micromanaged in my relationship.
You shut me up!
I have every right to speak as much as you do.