1 00:00:03,046 --> 00:00:05,047 Tonight, the three-part 2 00:00:05,048 --> 00:00:07,310 "Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion begins. 3 00:00:07,311 --> 00:00:09,269 All right, everybody, let's clear the stage. 4 00:00:09,270 --> 00:00:10,835 - Good morning. - Ready as I'll ever be. 5 00:00:10,836 --> 00:00:12,098 It's gonna be an amazing day. 6 00:00:12,099 --> 00:00:14,274 - Hi. - Top of the mornin'! 7 00:00:14,275 --> 00:00:16,667 It's so wild to do this on a Sunday. 8 00:00:16,668 --> 00:00:18,452 It's the Lord's Day, so there will be no fighting. 9 00:00:18,453 --> 00:00:19,801 - [laughter] - That'd be nice. 10 00:00:19,802 --> 00:00:21,455 Or we'll all go up in flames. 11 00:00:21,456 --> 00:00:25,285 How many times did you practice in front of the mirror, 12 00:00:25,286 --> 00:00:27,678 "There's the door, Shannon Beador," 13 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:28,811 when there was no door? 14 00:00:29,203 --> 00:00:31,117 This is unknown, unchartered territory. 15 00:00:31,118 --> 00:00:33,945 So, we're fake-ass bitches who suck dick? 16 00:00:33,946 --> 00:00:35,469 No! 17 00:00:35,470 --> 00:00:36,992 All right, ladies, we'll be coming to stage next. 18 00:00:36,993 --> 00:00:40,214 My kids are scared and I don't know what to do. 19 00:00:40,866 --> 00:00:43,520 I had nothing to do with him going to jail. 20 00:00:43,521 --> 00:00:45,045 That's not how the police tell the story. 21 00:00:45,436 --> 00:00:47,046 All right, we are speeding. 22 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:48,308 The money is not Ryan's. 23 00:00:48,309 --> 00:00:50,353 You always do this Tammy Wynette thing 24 00:00:50,354 --> 00:00:51,833 where you gotta stand by your man. 25 00:00:51,834 --> 00:00:54,184 I've read your in-laws fund your whole life. 26 00:00:54,663 --> 00:00:56,229 Five, four... 27 00:00:56,230 --> 00:00:58,666 When everyone tells you you're dead, it's time to lie down. 28 00:00:58,667 --> 00:01:00,146 Three 'to the jib, two... 29 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:03,888 I took your job ten years ago. I'm still sitting here. 30 00:01:03,889 --> 00:01:05,326 Oh! 31 00:01:07,023 --> 00:01:11,896 ♪ 32 00:01:11,897 --> 00:01:13,420 Hey, everybody. 33 00:01:13,421 --> 00:01:14,856 Welcome to "The Real Housewives of Orange County" 34 00:01:14,857 --> 00:01:17,511 Season 18 reunion. 35 00:01:17,512 --> 00:01:21,515 I'm Andy Cohen. We are high atop the hills of Orange County, 36 00:01:21,516 --> 00:01:23,517 or at least pretending we are. 37 00:01:23,518 --> 00:01:26,346 And congratulations are in order. 38 00:01:26,347 --> 00:01:29,523 Your season marked the 100th season 39 00:01:29,524 --> 00:01:31,829 of the Real Housewives franchise. 40 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:33,353 - Wow! - Wow. 41 00:01:33,354 --> 00:01:36,443 So mazel to that, and let's get started. 42 00:01:36,444 --> 00:01:38,184 - Hi, Tamra. - Hi, Andy. 43 00:01:38,185 --> 00:01:40,577 Last I saw you, you were on Instagram 44 00:01:40,578 --> 00:01:43,319 - with a very swollen face. - Yes. 45 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:45,713 This is by far the ugliest day of them all. 46 00:01:45,714 --> 00:01:48,716 What happened, and are you happy with the results? 47 00:01:48,717 --> 00:01:52,546 So, I had a CO2 laser with a blue peel and a brow lift. 48 00:01:52,547 --> 00:01:55,940 And yeah, I'm happy. It was a process, but it was only, 49 00:01:55,941 --> 00:01:57,464 like, a week and a half... 50 00:01:57,465 --> 00:01:58,813 - Okay. - ...of being, like, 51 00:01:58,814 --> 00:02:00,206 swollen and ugly. 52 00:02:00,207 --> 00:02:01,816 - Well, you look great. - Thank you. 53 00:02:01,817 --> 00:02:04,079 - Hi, Emily. How are you? - Hi. Hi, Andy. 54 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,037 Still working out seven days a week? 55 00:02:06,038 --> 00:02:08,388 No, you know what? I've lessened it a little. 56 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:10,694 I'm not as obsessed. 57 00:02:10,695 --> 00:02:12,653 Does Shane join you in the gym? 58 00:02:12,654 --> 00:02:14,394 I hired a personal trainer for him, 59 00:02:14,395 --> 00:02:16,091 and now he works out weekly with him. 60 00:02:16,092 --> 00:02:18,180 So, I got one time a week. I feel like that's-- 61 00:02:18,181 --> 00:02:20,313 - Okay. That's nice. - Yeah, yeah. 62 00:02:20,314 --> 00:02:21,705 - Hey, Heather. - Hi. 63 00:02:21,706 --> 00:02:23,098 What's happening construction-wise 64 00:02:23,099 --> 00:02:24,230 on the new home? 65 00:02:24,231 --> 00:02:25,970 Oh, my God. It's a disaster. 66 00:02:25,971 --> 00:02:27,494 - Really? - Yeah. 67 00:02:27,495 --> 00:02:29,104 Yeah, you know how you and I always talk about 68 00:02:29,105 --> 00:02:31,106 our construction things, how it's, like, twice the time, 69 00:02:31,107 --> 00:02:32,412 - twice the budget? - Yes. 70 00:02:32,413 --> 00:02:33,761 - We're sort of in that land. - Wow. 71 00:02:33,762 --> 00:02:35,589 - Yeah. - Speaking of real estate. 72 00:02:35,590 --> 00:02:37,417 - Hey, Gina. - Hi, Andy. 73 00:02:37,418 --> 00:02:38,592 How's business for you? 74 00:02:38,593 --> 00:02:40,376 It's been wonderful, actually. 75 00:02:40,377 --> 00:02:42,726 I have to say, we're really getting some traction. 76 00:02:42,727 --> 00:02:44,902 You know, I just closed on a house last week. 77 00:02:44,903 --> 00:02:46,904 I have another deal closing Monday. 78 00:02:46,905 --> 00:02:48,341 - That's great. - Yeah. 79 00:02:48,342 --> 00:02:50,081 Hi, Katie. Welcome to your first reunion. 80 00:02:50,082 --> 00:02:51,822 - Hi. - You ready for today? 81 00:02:51,823 --> 00:02:53,172 Um, I think so. 82 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:54,956 Did Sutton offer you any advice? 83 00:02:54,957 --> 00:02:58,307 No. We didn't talk in a couple weeks, so no. 84 00:02:58,308 --> 00:03:00,657 - All right. Hey, Jenn. - Hi. 85 00:03:00,658 --> 00:03:02,529 Congratulations on your engagement. 86 00:03:02,530 --> 00:03:04,400 - Thank you. - When is the wedding? 87 00:03:04,401 --> 00:03:05,967 So, we're talking next June. 88 00:03:05,968 --> 00:03:08,796 Any of the ladies here will be receiving an invite? 89 00:03:08,797 --> 00:03:11,494 Oh, my gosh. I would love to have the ladies, of course. 90 00:03:11,495 --> 00:03:14,149 Finally, hello, Shannon Storms Bedore. 91 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:15,542 - Hello, Andy. - How are you? 92 00:03:15,543 --> 00:03:16,934 - I'm good. - You look happy 93 00:03:16,935 --> 00:03:19,546 - and healthy today. - Thank you. I am. 94 00:03:19,547 --> 00:03:21,983 How is the dating world? 95 00:03:21,984 --> 00:03:25,508 Well, I hadn't gone out on a date for a year, 96 00:03:25,509 --> 00:03:27,641 but I just did go out on dates. 97 00:03:27,642 --> 00:03:29,120 You might be blushing right now. 98 00:03:29,121 --> 00:03:31,645 - I probably am. - Aw! Shannon. 99 00:03:31,646 --> 00:03:33,777 - Wow. That's great. - Yeah. 100 00:03:33,778 --> 00:03:37,041 Look, this has been such a dramatic season. 101 00:03:37,042 --> 00:03:40,175 I'm curious if we could set some intentions. 102 00:03:40,176 --> 00:03:42,264 Tamra, it was interesting to hear 103 00:03:42,265 --> 00:03:43,787 what your intention for tonight was. 104 00:03:43,788 --> 00:03:46,268 I would love for Shannon to hear what you told me. 105 00:03:46,269 --> 00:03:50,794 Yeah. I wanna talk about why I was hurt by what went down 106 00:03:50,795 --> 00:03:53,754 and hope that we can get to a common ground. 107 00:03:53,755 --> 00:03:56,496 We don't have to be best friends, but I don't want it 108 00:03:56,497 --> 00:04:00,064 to be uncomfortable and I don't want it to be toxic. 109 00:04:00,065 --> 00:04:03,285 You mentioned to me that you're starting therapy this week. 110 00:04:03,286 --> 00:04:05,244 - Oh, thank you. - Well, I mean, 111 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:06,636 I think it's interesting. I wanna know, 112 00:04:06,637 --> 00:04:08,116 what are your goals with your therapist? 113 00:04:08,117 --> 00:04:10,684 Um, to find out where that anger stems from. 114 00:04:10,685 --> 00:04:13,164 Okay. How do you take that? 115 00:04:13,165 --> 00:04:17,038 I mean, the way I was treated by you this season is unacceptable. 116 00:04:17,039 --> 00:04:20,433 You attacked me and I really don't have an interest 117 00:04:20,434 --> 00:04:22,609 - in being friends with you. - Okay. 118 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:25,612 Because what I'm doing in my therapy, 119 00:04:25,613 --> 00:04:27,353 I'm creating healthy boundaries, 120 00:04:27,354 --> 00:04:30,007 and a healthy boundary is not being in a toxic relationship. 121 00:04:30,008 --> 00:04:33,707 Are you saying that our entire friendship was toxic? 122 00:04:33,708 --> 00:04:36,971 Absolutely. Especially when you came back on the show, 123 00:04:36,972 --> 00:04:40,714 we never got to the point of friendship that we were before. 124 00:04:40,715 --> 00:04:43,064 - Well, I thought we did. - So, you can keep exaggerating 125 00:04:43,065 --> 00:04:46,633 on how close and how often we spent time together 126 00:04:46,634 --> 00:04:49,549 - because we weren't that close. - I thought we were close. 127 00:04:49,550 --> 00:04:51,551 And it's not about just spending time together. 128 00:04:51,552 --> 00:04:52,987 We would talk every single day. 129 00:04:52,988 --> 00:04:55,424 She's saying that she wants to try today 130 00:04:55,425 --> 00:04:57,557 to take the toxicity out of your relationship. 131 00:04:57,558 --> 00:04:59,080 - Okay, well-- - So, we'll see. 132 00:04:59,081 --> 00:05:01,909 - So, are you-- - A lot of open wounds here. 133 00:05:01,910 --> 00:05:03,563 - Okay. - A lot of open wounds. 134 00:05:03,564 --> 00:05:04,912 - And me too, Shannon. - Okay. 135 00:05:04,913 --> 00:05:06,435 Jenn? 136 00:05:06,436 --> 00:05:09,656 A hope and intention that I have is really for Emily and I 137 00:05:09,657 --> 00:05:12,223 to set forward on a better path. 138 00:05:12,224 --> 00:05:15,052 But I don't feel like there was a lot that happened. 139 00:05:15,053 --> 00:05:17,751 And I feel like you're very reserved with me, 140 00:05:17,752 --> 00:05:20,144 and I don't understand that. I don't know if that's you or if 141 00:05:20,145 --> 00:05:24,758 that's Ryan telling you that you should not be friendly with me. 142 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:27,369 And maybe it's 'cause I'm an attorney, I don't know. 143 00:05:27,370 --> 00:05:29,110 Ryan will give me his opinion, 144 00:05:29,111 --> 00:05:31,112 but Ryan never tells me how to act or not react to somebody. 145 00:05:31,113 --> 00:05:33,027 Even if he did, I would still do what I wanna do. 146 00:05:33,028 --> 00:05:35,595 And I felt the same way you felt, that there was 147 00:05:35,596 --> 00:05:37,771 - something going on. - But there's not. 148 00:05:37,772 --> 00:05:39,599 Okay, well, we're gonna figure it out. 149 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,252 - Yeah. Okay. - Okay. 150 00:05:41,253 --> 00:05:42,819 Anyone else before I move on? 151 00:05:42,820 --> 00:05:45,213 Oh, gosh. I wanna own a couple of things that I did 152 00:05:45,214 --> 00:05:47,781 that I regret and just move forward with that. 153 00:05:47,782 --> 00:05:50,392 - Heather? - I hope to walk out of here 154 00:05:50,393 --> 00:05:53,003 with almost everyone as friends. 155 00:05:53,004 --> 00:05:56,659 All right. After making headlines for her DUI arrest 156 00:05:56,660 --> 00:05:59,793 just ten days after last year's reunion, 157 00:05:59,794 --> 00:06:02,839 Shannon started the season under a microscope. 158 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:04,841 As she vowed to work on herself, 159 00:06:04,842 --> 00:06:08,454 most of her friends were rooting for the Shannon reboot. 160 00:06:08,455 --> 00:06:10,891 But her ex-amiga, Tamra, felt like 161 00:06:10,892 --> 00:06:13,981 she was watching reruns of the same old show. 162 00:06:13,982 --> 00:06:14,896 Let's watch. 163 00:06:16,288 --> 00:06:17,941 The stupidest thing that could happen to anyone 164 00:06:17,942 --> 00:06:20,030 is getting a DUI in today's world. 165 00:06:20,031 --> 00:06:24,427 Shannon Beador drove her car into a home. 166 00:06:25,341 --> 00:06:26,428 Do you drink? 167 00:06:26,429 --> 00:06:28,213 Have I had a drink or two? Yeah. 168 00:06:28,736 --> 00:06:30,084 I don't do it that often. 169 00:06:30,085 --> 00:06:33,217 Belvedere soda with a lemon, please. 170 00:06:33,218 --> 00:06:35,219 I'm so angry because I really thought this was gonna be 171 00:06:35,220 --> 00:06:37,657 a wake-up call, but instead, she makes excuses. 172 00:06:37,658 --> 00:06:40,660 You've been on this path for ten years with me. 173 00:06:40,661 --> 00:06:42,357 Everybody has! 174 00:06:42,358 --> 00:06:43,706 I think she's changed. I'm sorry. 175 00:06:43,707 --> 00:06:46,448 Do you not think she has an alcohol problem? 176 00:06:46,449 --> 00:06:48,581 - Yeah. Yeah, I do. - You go hard. 177 00:06:48,582 --> 00:06:51,193 You're a liar and you're a drunk! 178 00:06:51,715 --> 00:06:54,848 You've been doing nothing but defaming me. 179 00:06:54,849 --> 00:06:57,329 Have I drove my car into a house? 180 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,724 I am not gonna enable Shannon because I'm that type of friend. 181 00:07:01,725 --> 00:07:03,552 Stop----ing drinking, get help, 182 00:07:03,553 --> 00:07:05,642 or I'm done with this relationship. 183 00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:08,949 Okay. Safe to say the two of you 184 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:11,473 have not spoken since finale night. 185 00:07:11,474 --> 00:07:13,475 - Mm-mm. - What's gonna be difficult 186 00:07:13,476 --> 00:07:15,825 about today is I am at a place 187 00:07:15,826 --> 00:07:18,524 where I don't feel I have to keep defending myself. 188 00:07:18,525 --> 00:07:20,308 - Okay. - I'm okay. 189 00:07:20,309 --> 00:07:22,092 I don't use alcohol to cope. 190 00:07:22,093 --> 00:07:26,401 What is your drinking like now versus what it was before? 191 00:07:26,402 --> 00:07:28,229 Oh, I would just keep going before. 192 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:32,494 And I would drink because I didn't feel good inside, 193 00:07:32,495 --> 00:07:35,149 and it would make me forget all of that sort of thing. 194 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:38,761 Heather, you seem to agree with Tamra that Shannon 195 00:07:38,762 --> 00:07:41,111 had an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. 196 00:07:41,112 --> 00:07:43,679 I mean, when we heard about the DUI and we heard about 197 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,290 what your number was, and it was so high, 198 00:07:46,291 --> 00:07:49,032 and, I mean, like Terry was saying, like, as a doctor, 199 00:07:49,033 --> 00:07:51,905 like, how high that was, it was very concerning. 200 00:07:51,906 --> 00:07:53,950 And someone that could, like, really be... 201 00:07:53,951 --> 00:07:56,736 - It got out of control. - ...awake at that blood alcohol 202 00:07:56,737 --> 00:07:58,607 level is someone that drinks a lot, 203 00:07:58,608 --> 00:08:00,740 and that's where I was coming from. 204 00:08:00,741 --> 00:08:02,089 Christine from Los Angeles said, 205 00:08:02,090 --> 00:08:04,178 "Gina, why do you have sympathy for Shannon 206 00:08:04,179 --> 00:08:06,746 "after all the crap she talked about your DUI 207 00:08:06,747 --> 00:08:08,748 "and bringing your kids into the mix? 208 00:08:08,749 --> 00:08:11,707 "She fled the scene of an accident, continues to drink, 209 00:08:11,708 --> 00:08:13,970 "and all she can say is she's embarrassed." 210 00:08:13,971 --> 00:08:16,016 Well, I don't think that's all she said. 211 00:08:16,017 --> 00:08:19,498 I think she was actually pretty transparent about what she did 212 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:21,108 and her remorse for what she did. 213 00:08:21,109 --> 00:08:23,589 And at the same point, I made the same mistake. 214 00:08:23,590 --> 00:08:26,548 Once this happened, it gave Shannon 215 00:08:26,549 --> 00:08:28,768 a completely different perspective, 216 00:08:28,769 --> 00:08:32,598 and then she finally was willing to see it through my eyes, 217 00:08:32,599 --> 00:08:37,777 and I would be a fool then at that point to not embrace that. 218 00:08:37,778 --> 00:08:39,735 I witnessed it. It was genuine. 219 00:08:39,736 --> 00:08:42,129 She was truly hurt. She was sobbing. 220 00:08:42,130 --> 00:08:44,697 And it's hard for Tamra 'cause she wasn't seeing that. 221 00:08:44,698 --> 00:08:47,917 I wasn't. But you know what I did see is, like, 222 00:08:47,918 --> 00:08:50,877 Shannon saw you at BravoCon after her DUI. 223 00:08:50,878 --> 00:08:53,619 We had a holiday lunch that Heather put together. 224 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:55,229 She didn't apologize to you then, 225 00:08:55,230 --> 00:08:57,797 but she did apologize to you on camera. 226 00:08:57,798 --> 00:09:01,148 Yes, and maybe she wasn't there yet or whatever, 227 00:09:01,149 --> 00:09:03,542 but to be honest, I really wasn't even willing 228 00:09:03,543 --> 00:09:05,239 to look in your direction at that lunch, 229 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,589 'cause I was pretty pissed still. Yeah. 230 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:09,591 Yeah. I wasn't having it. 231 00:09:09,592 --> 00:09:11,114 She posted a picture without me in it. 232 00:09:11,115 --> 00:09:14,161 I wasn't there yet. I wasn't there yet either. 233 00:09:14,162 --> 00:09:15,423 It's a process. 234 00:09:15,424 --> 00:09:17,599 I mean, I'm not an angel, you know? 235 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,992 Can I just say something? 236 00:09:18,993 --> 00:09:22,473 I felt like the constant calling her an alcoholic 237 00:09:22,474 --> 00:09:26,782 was so counterproductive to what the outcome should be. 238 00:09:26,783 --> 00:09:29,785 You can't bully someone into not drinking. 239 00:09:29,786 --> 00:09:32,222 When you say you need to get the help that you need, 240 00:09:32,223 --> 00:09:34,747 we have to let Shannon determine what that help is. 241 00:09:34,748 --> 00:09:36,052 She has to decide what that is. 242 00:09:36,053 --> 00:09:37,706 That's for Shannon-- No, I'm not-- 243 00:09:37,707 --> 00:09:39,534 And look where I am today. Never been better. 244 00:09:39,535 --> 00:09:42,276 But you're arguing with me and you don't have to argue with me. 245 00:09:42,277 --> 00:09:44,147 - You're doing amazing. - Thank you. 246 00:09:44,148 --> 00:09:47,020 Tamra, Christine from Queensland, Australia, said, 247 00:09:47,021 --> 00:09:49,152 "Why do you feel mocking and berating Shannon 248 00:09:49,153 --> 00:09:50,850 "is gonna make her stop drinking?" 249 00:09:50,851 --> 00:09:53,200 Yeah, no. Looking back, obviously that just 250 00:09:53,201 --> 00:09:56,551 came from anger, and that was my one thing to go to 'cause 251 00:09:56,552 --> 00:10:00,076 I know that it would upset her in that actual argument. 252 00:10:00,077 --> 00:10:02,557 You know what you did, Tamra? You said, 253 00:10:02,558 --> 00:10:07,170 "I was there every single day after her DUI." 254 00:10:07,171 --> 00:10:09,608 - No, you weren't. - I was on the phone with you. 255 00:10:09,609 --> 00:10:13,655 Tamra, you were in Scotland. You left the day after my DUI. 256 00:10:13,656 --> 00:10:15,526 After I got back from Scotland-- 257 00:10:15,527 --> 00:10:18,791 And I did get the help. I went to a place for 30 days. 258 00:10:18,792 --> 00:10:22,882 And you have the audacity at Gina's dinner to say, 259 00:10:22,883 --> 00:10:24,579 "Lie, lie, lie, lie!" 260 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:25,972 That's all you----ing do. 261 00:10:25,973 --> 00:10:27,669 Because you called me drunk 262 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:29,933 several times after that, that's why. 263 00:10:30,499 --> 00:10:33,806 One time you called me drunk and you went off like a crazy woman, 264 00:10:33,807 --> 00:10:35,372 and then called me ten minutes later 265 00:10:35,373 --> 00:10:37,462 and had the same conversation with me. 266 00:10:37,941 --> 00:10:42,379 Tamra, I went to a place where they did 267 00:10:42,380 --> 00:10:44,338 random drug and alcohol testing. 268 00:10:44,339 --> 00:10:46,427 I didn't drink during the program. 269 00:10:46,428 --> 00:10:47,689 You did. You did. 270 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:49,866 You don't know anything about me. 271 00:10:57,395 --> 00:11:01,660 Tamra, I went to a place where they did 272 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:03,705 random drug and alcohol testing. 273 00:11:03,706 --> 00:11:05,664 I didn't drink during the program. 274 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:06,926 You did. You did. 275 00:11:06,927 --> 00:11:08,667 You don't know anything about me. 276 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:12,671 Let me ask you this. Hold on. Tamra, what you're saying is, 277 00:11:12,672 --> 00:11:15,151 "I think she's got a real problem 278 00:11:15,152 --> 00:11:16,718 "and she needs to deal with it." 279 00:11:16,719 --> 00:11:18,764 She feels like she's dealt with it 280 00:11:18,765 --> 00:11:20,200 and she's gotten it under control. 281 00:11:20,201 --> 00:11:22,028 At what point do you say... 282 00:11:22,029 --> 00:11:24,334 - But, wait. No, yeah. - ..."Okay, go with God." 283 00:11:24,335 --> 00:11:26,336 I understand that, but we're not close right now 284 00:11:26,337 --> 00:11:28,948 so I don't know where she's at, but this is the tenth reunion 285 00:11:28,949 --> 00:11:31,167 that we're talking about her drinking. 286 00:11:31,168 --> 00:11:34,736 Because you have brought it up every single year, Tamra. 287 00:11:34,737 --> 00:11:36,259 That is not true, Shannon. 288 00:11:36,260 --> 00:11:38,566 You tell everyone that I have a drinking problem. 289 00:11:38,567 --> 00:11:39,828 You drink a lot, Shannon. 290 00:11:39,829 --> 00:11:41,612 I either had too much to drink 291 00:11:41,613 --> 00:11:42,744 or I was slipped something. 292 00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:44,354 She has self-medicated herself. 293 00:11:44,355 --> 00:11:46,617 - I'm not an alcoholic. - Are you drunk? 294 00:11:46,618 --> 00:11:49,882 I'm tired of people trying to paint me out to be a drunk. 295 00:11:49,883 --> 00:11:51,884 You called me completely lit up. 296 00:11:51,885 --> 00:11:53,450 Okay, Miss Holier Than Thou. 297 00:11:53,451 --> 00:11:55,235 You tend to drink and call some of us. 298 00:11:55,236 --> 00:11:56,802 That's a----ed up thing to say to me. 299 00:11:56,803 --> 00:11:58,368 It is not! 300 00:11:58,369 --> 00:12:00,806 My recollection, though, at the last reunion was that 301 00:12:00,807 --> 00:12:02,633 it was not just Tamra that was 302 00:12:02,634 --> 00:12:04,418 talking about your relationship with alcohol. 303 00:12:04,419 --> 00:12:08,378 But because-- Exactly. I got a DUI ten days later. 304 00:12:08,379 --> 00:12:11,555 I was frickin' miserable when we filmed that reunion last year. 305 00:12:11,556 --> 00:12:15,516 Okay. Cora from Overland Park, Kansas, said, 306 00:12:15,517 --> 00:12:18,214 "Shannon, you and Heather met at the beginning of the season 307 00:12:18,215 --> 00:12:20,608 "and talked about rebuilding trust in your friendship. 308 00:12:20,609 --> 00:12:23,567 "Where are you at? Do you trust each other?" 309 00:12:23,568 --> 00:12:25,874 I mean, I have a real problem 310 00:12:25,875 --> 00:12:28,659 with what happened at the end of the season, 311 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:31,750 because when I told you the story in Sonoma, 312 00:12:31,751 --> 00:12:33,796 you were like... [gasps] Shannon! 313 00:12:35,363 --> 00:12:38,800 ...I took a photograph of myself and I sent it to John. 314 00:12:38,801 --> 00:12:40,802 [gasps] Oh, Shannon. 315 00:12:40,803 --> 00:12:44,153 And then you tell me in London, "Oh, I already knew the story." 316 00:12:44,154 --> 00:12:46,721 It was like, bravo, then, for the acting, 317 00:12:46,722 --> 00:12:49,811 because you acted like you'd never heard the story before. 318 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:53,423 It's different having someone tell you a story thirdhand 319 00:12:53,424 --> 00:12:55,991 and the person that was involved in it tell it to you. 320 00:12:55,992 --> 00:12:59,255 I knew that Tamra had told me she had seen that photo before. 321 00:12:59,256 --> 00:13:01,431 I had never seen that photo before. 322 00:13:01,432 --> 00:13:04,260 That is very, very different. So, no bravo. 323 00:13:04,261 --> 00:13:06,828 You don't have to add it to my IMDb. 324 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:09,439 I was feeling horrible for you. 325 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,354 I was happy to be there as your friend. 326 00:13:11,355 --> 00:13:15,271 I didn't discuss it with anyone until the Jeff Lewis thing. 327 00:13:15,272 --> 00:13:18,013 How did he not hear it? Has that ever occurred to you? 328 00:13:18,014 --> 00:13:20,189 I haven't really thought about it, Jeff. 329 00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:23,758 If you watch these clips on the Jeff Lewis, I was exhausted. 330 00:13:23,759 --> 00:13:27,283 In my head, I was saying I hadn't thought about it, 331 00:13:27,284 --> 00:13:30,286 because Jeff Lewis is the person that called me 332 00:13:30,287 --> 00:13:33,159 two weeks after my DUI and said, "Did he hear it?" 333 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,075 I'm the one that said "hadn't" versus "haven't." 334 00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:38,468 I had never thought about 335 00:13:38,469 --> 00:13:41,471 John possibly hearing my accident until 336 00:13:41,472 --> 00:13:44,170 - Jeff pointed it out to me. - But that was months ago. 337 00:13:44,171 --> 00:13:45,824 Months ago. This was prior to that. 338 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:47,695 This was weeks later. But I really wanna point out, 339 00:13:47,696 --> 00:13:51,351 I didn't talk to anyone about it until you went on Jeff Lewis. 340 00:13:51,352 --> 00:13:54,136 To me, that was like the, "Okay, we're talking about it." 341 00:13:54,137 --> 00:13:55,703 So, does that make sense? 342 00:13:55,704 --> 00:13:57,444 I mean, if you talked about it on the radio, then... 343 00:13:57,445 --> 00:14:00,142 - Right. Can you see that? - And you had said-- 344 00:14:00,143 --> 00:14:03,885 I guess I'll say that that first night in London 345 00:14:03,886 --> 00:14:05,539 - was horrible for me. - I get it. 346 00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:07,716 The second and third weren't much better. 347 00:14:08,369 --> 00:14:10,718 And then it turned into, "You're a liar." 348 00:14:10,719 --> 00:14:12,851 And then it turned in, "You're using me." 349 00:14:12,852 --> 00:14:14,374 And it's like, oh, my God. 350 00:14:14,375 --> 00:14:16,855 I understand why you're upset with me. 351 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:18,421 I apologize. 352 00:14:18,422 --> 00:14:20,467 If you don't trust me to tell me important information, 353 00:14:20,468 --> 00:14:22,512 please, for the love of God, don't tell me. 354 00:14:22,513 --> 00:14:24,776 - Let's just rebuild that way. - Okay. 355 00:14:25,777 --> 00:14:28,692 Tamra, what do you think Shannon's intent was in wanting 356 00:14:28,693 --> 00:14:32,653 to bring the Travis and Gina story to the reunion last year? 357 00:14:32,654 --> 00:14:36,352 Shannon consulted an attorney to find out 358 00:14:36,353 --> 00:14:39,139 if you threw Travis down the stairs. 359 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:41,618 Because they had been fighting. 360 00:14:41,619 --> 00:14:43,142 She wanted to hurt me. 361 00:14:43,143 --> 00:14:44,795 And then, you know, there was the wiener thing, 362 00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:46,233 - and then the-- - The wiener. 363 00:14:51,629 --> 00:14:53,065 Let's say "dick." 364 00:14:53,066 --> 00:14:55,937 Gina, were you more hurt that Shannon was gonna use 365 00:14:55,938 --> 00:14:58,940 the information at the reunion or that Tamra brought it up? 366 00:14:58,941 --> 00:15:02,944 In the moment, truly, I was more upset that Tamra brought it up. 367 00:15:02,945 --> 00:15:04,206 Do you know how I heard that 368 00:15:04,207 --> 00:15:06,034 there was even a story out there? 369 00:15:06,035 --> 00:15:08,385 - She sent it to you. - You told it to me. 370 00:15:09,125 --> 00:15:11,300 By the way, it was for-- 371 00:15:11,301 --> 00:15:13,389 The story came out four months before-- 372 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:16,088 No, you said that Travis's ex-wife had reached out to you, 373 00:15:16,089 --> 00:15:17,654 - or someone. - I have not reached out-- 374 00:15:17,655 --> 00:15:19,047 I don't even know her name. 375 00:15:19,048 --> 00:15:20,570 Someone's always reaching out to you, Tamra. 376 00:15:20,571 --> 00:15:23,399 She has never reached out to me, ever. 377 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,011 So, Tamra has admitted that 378 00:15:26,012 --> 00:15:29,318 she came at you too hard this season. 379 00:15:29,319 --> 00:15:32,408 Is there anything else you wanna explain about that? 380 00:15:32,409 --> 00:15:36,282 I think for me, I was witnessing her drinking, 381 00:15:36,283 --> 00:15:39,328 and she was calling me intoxicated 382 00:15:39,329 --> 00:15:42,027 - and then going and doing-- - I need you to stop doing that, 383 00:15:42,028 --> 00:15:43,115 because I didn't. 384 00:15:43,116 --> 00:15:44,812 I know what the truth is, 385 00:15:44,813 --> 00:15:47,075 and if someone's gonna believe your lies, then I'm sorry. 386 00:15:47,076 --> 00:15:48,424 You can't just keep gaslighting 387 00:15:48,425 --> 00:15:50,078 anytime somebody brings something up. 388 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:52,428 But why not at this point, why don't you just say you're sorry? 389 00:15:52,429 --> 00:15:54,213 - Yeah. - And that's it. And let it-- 390 00:15:54,214 --> 00:15:56,041 - Just say you're sorry. - She's talking to you. 391 00:15:56,042 --> 00:15:57,346 - No, I'm talking to you. - Oh. 392 00:15:57,347 --> 00:15:58,957 Why don't you just say you're sorry? 393 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:01,002 She's like, "Yeah, that sounds good. Let's do that." 394 00:16:01,003 --> 00:16:02,395 Wait, sorry about what? 395 00:16:02,396 --> 00:16:04,049 Tamra says that I owe her an apology, so... 396 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:07,922 Okay, hold on. Are you sorry for how you came at her this season? 397 00:16:07,923 --> 00:16:11,360 Yes. I was struggling with the fact that I was with you, 398 00:16:11,361 --> 00:16:13,406 talking with you after the DUI. 399 00:16:13,407 --> 00:16:16,539 I knew that you were still drinking. I knew-- 400 00:16:16,540 --> 00:16:19,455 You can't do it. An "I'm sorry, but..." 401 00:16:19,456 --> 00:16:21,022 - So-- - An "I'm sorry, but..." 402 00:16:21,023 --> 00:16:22,806 I don't have a-- There's no "but" in there. 403 00:16:22,807 --> 00:16:26,288 There's no "but." And then you get on the show and I felt like 404 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:28,203 you were in the same spot that you were after your DUI. 405 00:16:28,204 --> 00:16:29,552 Well, I'm sorry you felt that way. 406 00:16:29,553 --> 00:16:31,206 You were wrong. You were incorrect. 407 00:16:31,207 --> 00:16:32,816 - Okay, I was wrong then. - You were incorrect. 408 00:16:32,817 --> 00:16:34,601 I didn't think that you got the help that you needed. 409 00:16:34,602 --> 00:16:36,951 I know I got the help that I needed, 'cause I'm good. 410 00:16:36,952 --> 00:16:40,041 Okay. Well, that's all I've ever wanted for you. 411 00:16:40,042 --> 00:16:41,651 Shannon... 412 00:16:41,652 --> 00:16:45,220 Gina forgave you when you apologized, and you were harsh. 413 00:16:45,221 --> 00:16:47,135 You said really terrible things to her. 414 00:16:47,136 --> 00:16:49,181 I helped her with her DUI. 415 00:16:49,182 --> 00:16:51,835 It would've gone to Child Protective Services. 416 00:16:51,836 --> 00:16:54,012 And they were gonna arrest you in the morning. 417 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:55,665 It is not true! 418 00:16:55,666 --> 00:16:56,840 And she forgave you 419 00:16:56,841 --> 00:16:58,407 - when you apologized. - I understand, 420 00:16:58,408 --> 00:16:59,930 - and I appreciate that. - And it felt good. 421 00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:04,457 And I think the toxicity is gone, and that's great. 422 00:17:04,458 --> 00:17:07,329 I'm saying, can you apply the same here? 423 00:17:07,330 --> 00:17:10,811 I accept your apology. I appreciate your apology. 424 00:17:10,812 --> 00:17:12,682 I just don't wanna be your friend anymore. 425 00:17:12,683 --> 00:17:13,988 - Okay. - Okay. Fair enough. 426 00:17:13,989 --> 00:17:15,511 You guys need a break, man. 427 00:17:15,512 --> 00:17:17,078 - I just... - You need a break. 428 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:18,166 - Yeah. - Yeah. 429 00:17:18,167 --> 00:17:20,212 ♪ 430 00:17:20,213 --> 00:17:21,996 Coming up... 431 00:17:21,997 --> 00:17:24,172 - I didn't call the paparazzi. - Don't put words in my mouth. 432 00:17:24,173 --> 00:17:26,783 By the way, falsely accusing people is kind of your thing. 433 00:17:26,784 --> 00:17:28,133 - I get it. - Ooh. 434 00:17:28,134 --> 00:17:30,136 Oh, my God. 435 00:17:35,097 --> 00:17:36,880 I actually pooped this morning. I was so excited. 436 00:17:36,881 --> 00:17:39,448 You know, I went to New York before this. 437 00:17:39,449 --> 00:17:41,102 - Yeah. - So, I got all constipated, 438 00:17:41,103 --> 00:17:42,930 'cause I don't know why, but I get constipated when I travel. 439 00:17:42,931 --> 00:17:45,976 Me too. Shannon gave me this stuff called ColonMax. 440 00:17:45,977 --> 00:17:48,153 I'm sorry, you guys. We fixed the breast shelf. 441 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:49,676 - Oh, good! - Titties look good. 442 00:17:49,677 --> 00:17:52,418 Had to get those bad boys behaving, Shannon. 443 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:53,854 - Oh, we've got-- - Girl, get 'em up. 444 00:17:53,855 --> 00:17:56,162 I duct taped 'em down. I duct taped my breasts. 445 00:17:58,381 --> 00:17:59,642 All right. 446 00:17:59,643 --> 00:18:01,601 I was telling her about ColonMax. 447 00:18:01,602 --> 00:18:04,082 - I'm about to poop right now. - Excuse me? 448 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:05,474 - [all giggling] - Five, four, 449 00:18:05,475 --> 00:18:07,520 - three, two... - Welcome back to 450 00:18:07,521 --> 00:18:09,783 "The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion. 451 00:18:09,784 --> 00:18:12,307 We were just in commercial break, and I've been informed 452 00:18:12,308 --> 00:18:15,919 by Shannon Storms Beador that she's about to poop. 453 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,531 Is this something we need to deal with? 454 00:18:18,532 --> 00:18:20,446 - We've dealt with that. - We need the enema. 455 00:18:20,447 --> 00:18:22,491 - Are you in peril? - I'm gonna be fine. 456 00:18:22,492 --> 00:18:24,014 And I have multiple Spanx on, 457 00:18:24,015 --> 00:18:26,321 so it's just too difficult of a maneuver right now. 458 00:18:26,322 --> 00:18:27,888 - Okay. - It'll hold it in. 459 00:18:27,889 --> 00:18:29,716 - She's harnessed. - Glad you wore white, though. 460 00:18:29,717 --> 00:18:31,413 That works out really well for you. 461 00:18:31,414 --> 00:18:33,285 Heather, can I borrow your dress? 462 00:18:33,286 --> 00:18:34,851 - Okay. - [laughter] 463 00:18:34,852 --> 00:18:36,026 Switching now. 464 00:18:36,027 --> 00:18:37,506 - Okay. - [laughter] 465 00:18:37,507 --> 00:18:39,508 This season, new Housewife, Katie, 466 00:18:39,509 --> 00:18:42,642 moved her blended family to the OC, 467 00:18:42,643 --> 00:18:45,079 where she was ready to take some big swings. 468 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,649 But she found herself stuck in a sand trap with Heather Dubrow, 469 00:18:49,650 --> 00:18:52,086 and as the season went on, bad blood between 470 00:18:52,087 --> 00:18:56,046 these two new frenemies was par for the course. Let's watch. 471 00:18:56,047 --> 00:18:58,005 - This is Katie. - Hi, nice to meet you. 472 00:18:58,006 --> 00:19:00,922 - Hi. Nice to meet you too. - She's my friend. 473 00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:05,100 Oh, my God! She showed me her butthole! 474 00:19:06,057 --> 00:19:09,712 Guess what just came in the mail? My name change. 475 00:19:09,713 --> 00:19:11,236 Oh, my God. 476 00:19:11,237 --> 00:19:13,194 When my ex-husband and I separated, 477 00:19:13,195 --> 00:19:15,892 Kaili was nine, and now there's no contact. 478 00:19:15,893 --> 00:19:18,373 Me, Kaili, and Matt are going to Korea 479 00:19:18,374 --> 00:19:19,941 to hopefully meet my birth mother. 480 00:19:20,768 --> 00:19:22,072 All I wanna do is say, like, 481 00:19:22,073 --> 00:19:24,379 I had an amazing life, and I'm fine. 482 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:27,513 When you're adopted, your life is this puzzle, 483 00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:29,645 and the bottom right corner is missing. 484 00:19:29,646 --> 00:19:31,169 I loved my time here. 485 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:32,909 Like, you're gonna make really great friends. 486 00:19:32,910 --> 00:19:35,042 - Yeah. - Well, that's what Gina said. 487 00:19:35,043 --> 00:19:36,565 I love Heather. 488 00:19:36,566 --> 00:19:37,871 There's been a couple things that have happened. 489 00:19:37,872 --> 00:19:40,003 Don't be the pig walking into the kitchen! 490 00:19:40,004 --> 00:19:41,266 You gon' get ate. 491 00:19:41,267 --> 00:19:42,789 There was, like, a little bit of bad press 492 00:19:42,790 --> 00:19:45,139 around Heather and Terry. I text it to my friend. 493 00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:47,228 I said, "Is this true? Did she hire photographers 494 00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:48,403 "to come take a photo of her?" 495 00:19:48,404 --> 00:19:50,797 - He said yes. - [snickering] 496 00:19:50,798 --> 00:19:52,364 She's gonna get herself in trouble. 497 00:19:52,365 --> 00:19:53,495 Oh, this is exciting. 498 00:19:53,496 --> 00:19:54,757 On the lives of my children, 499 00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:56,368 I have never called a paparazzi. 500 00:19:56,369 --> 00:19:57,499 [gasping] 501 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,720 I have facts and a receipt. 502 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:02,288 I can see straight through her. 503 00:20:03,637 --> 00:20:07,944 Okay. Before we get into that, Katie, 504 00:20:07,945 --> 00:20:10,773 I wanna hear about your journey attempting to reconnect with 505 00:20:10,774 --> 00:20:13,123 - your birth mother in Korea. - Yeah. 506 00:20:13,124 --> 00:20:14,690 Where are you at with that? 507 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:16,953 So, we were supposed to go in May, 508 00:20:16,954 --> 00:20:19,652 and my father-in-law was put in the hospital. 509 00:20:19,653 --> 00:20:22,350 He eventually passed away the end of July, 510 00:20:22,351 --> 00:20:24,222 - so we had to delay our trip. - Sorry. 511 00:20:24,223 --> 00:20:27,747 But it'll happen. We're supposed to go next month. 512 00:20:27,748 --> 00:20:29,444 We just kind of put things on hold. 513 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:33,405 Katie, you and Tamra both have kids who live away from you. 514 00:20:33,406 --> 00:20:36,146 Why did your son Max ultimately decide 515 00:20:36,147 --> 00:20:39,150 to stay in Atlanta with your ex? 516 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:42,849 [exhales] He said he didn't wanna leave his surroundings, 517 00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:44,416 didn't wanna leave his friends. 518 00:20:44,417 --> 00:20:47,593 And although it kills me, 519 00:20:47,594 --> 00:20:50,465 literally, that's his choice. 520 00:20:50,466 --> 00:20:52,467 - How often do you see him? - Every break. 521 00:20:52,468 --> 00:20:54,513 Like, Thanksgiving, Christmas, fall, 522 00:20:54,514 --> 00:20:56,210 spring break, summer break, he's with us. 523 00:20:56,211 --> 00:20:58,081 And I go to Atlanta once a month and see him. 524 00:20:58,082 --> 00:21:01,171 We didn't see your son, Gavin, much this season. 525 00:21:01,172 --> 00:21:02,999 Did he choose not to... 526 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,177 No, my ex wouldn't sign off on him, but he turned 18 in July, 527 00:21:07,178 --> 00:21:08,875 so he actually signed his own waiver, 528 00:21:08,876 --> 00:21:10,746 and that's why you see just pictures of him now. 529 00:21:10,747 --> 00:21:13,140 - Got it. - And he was in San Diego. 530 00:21:13,141 --> 00:21:15,708 He was. He was with my niece living in San Diego 'cause he 531 00:21:15,709 --> 00:21:18,624 wanted to finish the school year at his high school in San Diego. 532 00:21:18,625 --> 00:21:21,453 - So, he's still there? - No. He's full-time. 533 00:21:21,454 --> 00:21:23,281 All of us are full-time in Orange County. 534 00:21:23,282 --> 00:21:27,285 When I first met you, you reached out to me 535 00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:30,723 saying you needed my help as a real estate agent. 536 00:21:30,724 --> 00:21:32,855 - I did, yeah. - And you lied to me 537 00:21:32,856 --> 00:21:34,770 about owning your home in San Diego. 538 00:21:34,771 --> 00:21:36,903 No, I did not lie to you about owning our home. 539 00:21:36,904 --> 00:21:38,644 We did a lease to own with them. 540 00:21:38,645 --> 00:21:40,733 They wanted two years of rental income, 541 00:21:40,734 --> 00:21:42,474 so that's the situation that we had. 542 00:21:42,475 --> 00:21:43,953 I know, but she asked you directly, 543 00:21:43,954 --> 00:21:45,564 - "Do you own this home?" - That means you don't 544 00:21:45,565 --> 00:21:47,087 - own the home. - She showed me the texts, 545 00:21:47,088 --> 00:21:48,784 and you said yes, but you don't own the home. 546 00:21:48,785 --> 00:21:50,133 That's what bothers me. 547 00:21:50,134 --> 00:21:52,875 And then you make an Instagram reel about-- 548 00:21:52,876 --> 00:21:54,399 Because I went on Jeff Lewis 549 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:55,748 and said that I thought that you moved. 550 00:21:55,749 --> 00:21:57,184 I didn't move out of Orange County. 551 00:21:57,185 --> 00:21:58,881 But you live in a different house, 552 00:21:58,882 --> 00:22:00,361 so it's not like I was wrong. 553 00:22:00,362 --> 00:22:02,363 I just heard that you said I moved to San Diego. 554 00:22:02,364 --> 00:22:03,582 I did not move to San Diego. 555 00:22:03,583 --> 00:22:05,018 But you said in an interview 556 00:22:05,019 --> 00:22:06,802 that you went back to San Diego for a while. 557 00:22:06,803 --> 00:22:08,369 For two months, because my father-in-law was dying. 558 00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,328 Okay, so you went back to San Diego for a couple months. 559 00:22:10,329 --> 00:22:12,112 Because his hospital was three miles from our house there. 560 00:22:12,113 --> 00:22:13,635 and then you went back to Orange County and you live in 561 00:22:13,636 --> 00:22:15,158 a different house than you used to live in 562 00:22:15,159 --> 00:22:16,899 when you were filming with, and then you get mad 563 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:18,292 and make an Instagram when I was actually right. 564 00:22:18,293 --> 00:22:19,815 I was fine with it, actually. 565 00:22:19,816 --> 00:22:21,164 You did move, you don't live in the same house, 566 00:22:21,165 --> 00:22:22,775 and you did go to San Diego for a while. 567 00:22:22,776 --> 00:22:24,559 I did move. You are totally right about that. 568 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,387 I just think there's a lot of inconsistencies and things that 569 00:22:26,388 --> 00:22:29,172 don't add up with some of the stuff that you say and do, 570 00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:32,785 and that makes me feel, like, uncomfortable around you. 571 00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:35,048 And, like, I don't trust you. 572 00:22:35,049 --> 00:22:38,704 And I think that everybody here, including-- 573 00:22:38,705 --> 00:22:40,619 You have questioned that as well. 574 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:42,098 There is a lot of stories. 575 00:22:42,099 --> 00:22:44,753 You just have to ask her, because she does. 576 00:22:44,754 --> 00:22:46,755 She has a story and an explanation. 577 00:22:46,756 --> 00:22:49,410 But do you believe all of them? 578 00:22:49,411 --> 00:22:51,760 Do I have a reason not to? 579 00:22:51,761 --> 00:22:53,762 If I look you up, there's not a hundred stories online. 580 00:22:53,763 --> 00:22:55,677 - There's nothing. - Me neither. 581 00:22:55,678 --> 00:22:57,375 - Except Terry cheats on me. - Oh, yeah. 582 00:22:57,376 --> 00:23:00,595 Katie, you have been in the news recently regarding 583 00:23:00,596 --> 00:23:02,728 a five million dollar lawsuit 584 00:23:02,729 --> 00:23:05,078 - over your company Tee Shots... - Yeah. 585 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,036 ...claiming it wasn't your original idea. 586 00:23:07,037 --> 00:23:09,430 What can you clear up about that? 587 00:23:09,431 --> 00:23:11,432 Yeah, I was actually just dismissed from that case. 588 00:23:11,433 --> 00:23:14,392 It was my business partner and her husband's friend. 589 00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:17,090 I've never met this man. I don't know who he is. 590 00:23:17,091 --> 00:23:19,092 He claims to have had a conversation with 591 00:23:19,093 --> 00:23:20,833 my business partner's husband on the golf course, 592 00:23:20,834 --> 00:23:22,443 and he said he thought up this idea. 593 00:23:22,444 --> 00:23:25,533 So, it's gonna be all white, but if you open it, 594 00:23:25,534 --> 00:23:27,448 essentially the shots live in here, 595 00:23:27,449 --> 00:23:28,797 and then you would take the shot. 596 00:23:28,798 --> 00:23:30,059 So, that's where Tee Shots comes from. 597 00:23:30,060 --> 00:23:32,105 There's just a lot of hinky stories. 598 00:23:32,106 --> 00:23:34,455 I mean, Sutton texted me last week 599 00:23:34,456 --> 00:23:36,239 and said to me, "She used me." 600 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,589 I used her? 601 00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:39,329 "She came to my house in Augusta 602 00:23:39,330 --> 00:23:41,419 "and said she was gonna bring all these high-level golfers. 603 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:44,596 "No one showed up. She didn't pay the photographer. 604 00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:46,989 "She just used me to promote her business." 605 00:23:46,990 --> 00:23:49,470 I offered to pay for all of it, even the catering. 606 00:23:49,471 --> 00:23:51,167 I'm just telling you what Sutton said. 607 00:23:51,168 --> 00:23:53,996 - Okay. - Katie, Nora in San Antonio 608 00:23:53,997 --> 00:23:56,346 wants to know the story behind getting snubbed by Heather 609 00:23:56,347 --> 00:23:58,523 - at Sutton's Christmas party. - Well, this is good 610 00:23:58,524 --> 00:24:00,046 'cause there's three different stories. 611 00:24:00,047 --> 00:24:01,917 The first story was that I saw you in the driveway, 612 00:24:01,918 --> 00:24:03,789 and I looked at you, and then I looked at your husband. 613 00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:05,312 You never saw me in the driveway, you saw me 614 00:24:05,313 --> 00:24:07,750 - in front of the bar. - My turn to speak. 615 00:24:08,229 --> 00:24:09,447 And then you looked away, 616 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,057 and then I looked away, and I snubbed you. 617 00:24:11,058 --> 00:24:12,972 The second story was that I was at the bar. 618 00:24:12,973 --> 00:24:15,322 - That is the story. - And I was with 619 00:24:15,323 --> 00:24:17,237 Denise Richards and Camille. 620 00:24:17,238 --> 00:24:19,761 But I never even saw Camille at that party. 621 00:24:19,762 --> 00:24:21,850 That was story two. And then story three. 622 00:24:21,851 --> 00:24:23,373 She was standing right next to you. 623 00:24:23,374 --> 00:24:26,376 I'm still speaking. And story three was that we were 624 00:24:26,377 --> 00:24:30,076 in a group of people and your name was said, and I heard it. 625 00:24:30,077 --> 00:24:31,643 No, that was about Sutton's recent party. 626 00:24:31,644 --> 00:24:33,122 I'm still not done. 627 00:24:33,123 --> 00:24:36,474 And I heard your name, and I didn't respond, 628 00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:38,519 and everyone standing there thought it was weird. 629 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,955 Let me just tell you something. 630 00:24:39,956 --> 00:24:41,391 - Oh, my God. - When someone's coming into 631 00:24:41,392 --> 00:24:44,394 this group, we all want to have friends. 632 00:24:44,395 --> 00:24:47,702 Only a moron would do that, and I am not a moron. 633 00:24:47,703 --> 00:24:49,748 - Right. - And I don't know how 634 00:24:49,749 --> 00:24:51,010 - devolved into these... - Oh, yeah. 635 00:24:51,011 --> 00:24:52,446 ...three separate stories. 636 00:24:52,447 --> 00:24:53,882 But I promise you, 637 00:24:53,883 --> 00:24:57,233 had I known who you were, I would've said hi. 638 00:24:57,234 --> 00:25:00,541 It would have been in her best interest to say hello. 639 00:25:00,542 --> 00:25:02,500 Katie, Victoria from L.A. said, 640 00:25:02,501 --> 00:25:06,199 "No one person runs all the paparazzi in L.A. 641 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,070 "Is it possible your friend meant, 642 00:25:08,071 --> 00:25:09,898 'Yes, it looked like paparazzi,' 643 00:25:09,899 --> 00:25:13,423 "versus having proof that Heather hired a photographer?" 644 00:25:13,424 --> 00:25:15,513 No, we had a phone conversation after that text. 645 00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:17,427 He called me and he said, "Why do you wanna know this?" 646 00:25:17,428 --> 00:25:19,734 And I said I saw it on my TikTok feed. 647 00:25:19,735 --> 00:25:21,867 It was funny. By the way, this person-- 648 00:25:21,868 --> 00:25:24,130 And who is this person? Without, I mean-- 649 00:25:24,131 --> 00:25:26,393 But see, I don't think you saw it on your TikTok feed. 650 00:25:26,394 --> 00:25:27,960 - No, you didn't. - Because you told Gina-- 651 00:25:27,961 --> 00:25:29,657 The TikTok was two years ago. 652 00:25:29,658 --> 00:25:31,093 You told Gina something totally different on a phone call. 653 00:25:31,094 --> 00:25:32,747 No, it came across my For You page. 654 00:25:32,748 --> 00:25:34,270 I screenshot the TikTok and sent it to him. 655 00:25:34,271 --> 00:25:36,055 And that's what you see in our text thread. 656 00:25:36,056 --> 00:25:37,491 It just came on my For You page. 657 00:25:37,492 --> 00:25:39,449 Yeah, but the reason that you were asking about it 658 00:25:39,450 --> 00:25:42,452 in the first place wasn't because it was on a TikTok feed. 659 00:25:42,453 --> 00:25:45,151 What was your conversation with your source? 660 00:25:45,152 --> 00:25:47,240 He had said that it wasn't Heather, 661 00:25:47,241 --> 00:25:48,937 that it was somebody close to her. 662 00:25:48,938 --> 00:25:50,548 I wanna be clear. 663 00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:52,811 I didn't call the paparazzi. 664 00:25:52,812 --> 00:25:55,378 I didn't pass a note in biology to someone. 665 00:25:55,379 --> 00:25:57,555 - I didn't wink at anybody. - Got it. 666 00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:01,559 Nobody notified the paparazzi. 667 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,474 Let it go. I don't know why you were trying to 668 00:26:04,475 --> 00:26:07,390 look into things about me months before you met me. 669 00:26:07,391 --> 00:26:10,437 I don't care what you saw "on TikTok." 670 00:26:10,438 --> 00:26:12,613 It is weird. 671 00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:16,356 I was very interested in meeting you. Nothing about you adds up. 672 00:26:16,357 --> 00:26:19,098 I think there's a story for everything, and I don't-- 673 00:26:19,099 --> 00:26:21,666 I think you have absolutely no credibility. 674 00:26:21,667 --> 00:26:25,975 ♪ 675 00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:31,371 I don't know why you were trying to 676 00:26:31,372 --> 00:26:32,502 look into things about me 677 00:26:32,503 --> 00:26:34,113 months before you met me. 678 00:26:34,114 --> 00:26:36,463 I think there's a story for everything, and I don't-- 679 00:26:36,464 --> 00:26:39,379 I think you have absolutely no credibility. 680 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:40,728 Okay. 681 00:26:40,729 --> 00:26:43,470 I wanna apologize to you for saying that I think 682 00:26:43,471 --> 00:26:45,864 it was a setup, because Tamra and I had that conversation. 683 00:26:45,865 --> 00:26:47,213 Gina knew it would not be funny. 684 00:26:47,214 --> 00:26:49,650 You got set up. You got set up. 685 00:26:49,651 --> 00:26:50,913 You really believe that? 686 00:26:51,522 --> 00:26:54,046 And me being very new, her saying that to me, 687 00:26:54,047 --> 00:26:55,656 I was like, "Do you really think that? 688 00:26:55,657 --> 00:26:57,571 "Like, is that-- do you think that's possible?" 689 00:26:57,572 --> 00:26:59,747 Well, it was because of all the things you were telling me. 690 00:26:59,748 --> 00:27:02,184 Right. Well, it was just the whole situation in general. 691 00:27:02,185 --> 00:27:03,969 That she thought that Gina told you to bring it up, 692 00:27:03,970 --> 00:27:05,145 that it would be funny. 693 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,277 And we talked about it, and I said, "I really wanna 694 00:27:08,278 --> 00:27:10,932 "tell Heather, woman to woman, this is what I wanna tell her." 695 00:27:10,933 --> 00:27:12,499 I didn't want it to be this whole group thing. 696 00:27:12,500 --> 00:27:14,283 But you told the whole group first. 697 00:27:14,284 --> 00:27:16,634 And I said at the bar, "Why did you tell everybody?" 698 00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:18,505 You know, I just feel like I was-- 699 00:27:18,506 --> 00:27:19,680 Well, it was on purpose. 700 00:27:19,681 --> 00:27:22,030 Well, it was too far gone by then. 701 00:27:22,031 --> 00:27:23,641 But by the way, how about this? 702 00:27:23,642 --> 00:27:26,557 Bah-bah-bah-bah-bah-bah-bah. Why do you care? 703 00:27:27,167 --> 00:27:29,864 - Why do you care? - You know, I honestly, Heather, 704 00:27:29,865 --> 00:27:31,300 didn't think this would be so rattling. 705 00:27:31,301 --> 00:27:32,911 No, no, you did. You wanted it to. 706 00:27:32,912 --> 00:27:34,434 - No, I didn't. - This is your thing. 707 00:27:34,435 --> 00:27:36,131 - By the way... - Don't put words in my mouth. 708 00:27:36,132 --> 00:27:37,611 falsely accusing people is kind of your thing. 709 00:27:37,612 --> 00:27:39,613 - I get it. - Ooh. 710 00:27:39,614 --> 00:27:41,006 Oh, my God. 711 00:27:41,007 --> 00:27:42,791 What else has there been falsely accused? 712 00:27:43,487 --> 00:27:47,099 She falsely accused someone and he ended up going to prison. 713 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:48,927 He didn't go to prison. Can I just tell the story? 714 00:27:48,928 --> 00:27:50,624 - He went to jail. - I don't know if 715 00:27:50,625 --> 00:27:52,539 - you wanna tell the story. - I do wanna tell the story. 716 00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:54,236 I don't know if we believe you telling the story. 717 00:27:54,237 --> 00:27:56,238 - We read the story. - I would love to hear it. 718 00:27:56,239 --> 00:27:59,111 The kids and I were driving in Marietta, Georgia, 719 00:27:59,112 --> 00:28:01,809 - on a four-lane road. - When was this? 720 00:28:01,810 --> 00:28:03,158 Like, nine, ten years ago. 721 00:28:03,159 --> 00:28:04,725 - Okay. - Okay? 722 00:28:04,726 --> 00:28:06,727 A man was swerving into our lane with his window down, 723 00:28:06,728 --> 00:28:09,643 yelling, "[bleep] you, bitch," at me. I was like, "Holy cow." 724 00:28:09,644 --> 00:28:11,863 So I had three kids in the back of my car. They were little. 725 00:28:11,864 --> 00:28:15,301 I pulled off on a side road to, like, let him pass me. 726 00:28:15,302 --> 00:28:17,303 He, like, went right in front of my car 727 00:28:17,304 --> 00:28:19,958 and started screaming at me. I called the police. 728 00:28:19,959 --> 00:28:21,568 The police said, "Can you leave?" 729 00:28:21,569 --> 00:28:23,788 I put my car in reverse, he ran to the back of my car, 730 00:28:23,789 --> 00:28:26,486 he started filming inside of my car, my children. 731 00:28:26,487 --> 00:28:28,662 My children are screaming, crying. 732 00:28:28,663 --> 00:28:31,578 My kids remember that day. It was terrifying. 733 00:28:31,579 --> 00:28:32,797 He's filming us. 734 00:28:32,798 --> 00:28:33,885 That's not the story the police tell. 735 00:28:33,886 --> 00:28:35,364 - Okay, go on. - Right. 736 00:28:35,365 --> 00:28:37,497 - They tell a one-sided story. - The police? 737 00:28:37,498 --> 00:28:39,673 Hold on. I wanna hear the rest of your story. 738 00:28:39,674 --> 00:28:42,632 Okay. So then I'm like, "He won't let me leave." 739 00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:44,809 He runs in front of my car when I try to leave. 740 00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:47,507 The police come in and they're like, "Calm down, calm down." 741 00:28:47,508 --> 00:28:49,335 They're like, "If you don't calm down, we'll tase you." 742 00:28:49,336 --> 00:28:52,599 And-- Yeah. He's like, "F you, F you" to the police. 743 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,167 They tase him and he goes to jail. 744 00:28:55,168 --> 00:28:57,386 I had nothing to do with him going to jail. 745 00:28:57,387 --> 00:28:59,214 Well, that's not how the police tell the story. 746 00:28:59,215 --> 00:29:01,564 The police tell the story that you followed the guy home. 747 00:29:01,565 --> 00:29:03,784 I would never follow anyone home. 748 00:29:03,785 --> 00:29:05,221 So, the police are lying. 749 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,353 How do you know what the police said about it? 750 00:29:07,354 --> 00:29:09,398 'Cause they have statements in that article. 751 00:29:09,399 --> 00:29:12,532 - Yes, from him and them. - From the police. 752 00:29:12,533 --> 00:29:14,752 If you read the police report, the statement I gave 753 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,189 to Cobb County Police, it's a lot different. 754 00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:19,495 - It's a lot different. - She was driving her car 755 00:29:19,496 --> 00:29:21,541 and she was texting with children in the car, 756 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:24,544 and this guy saw her, and he was triggered because 757 00:29:24,545 --> 00:29:27,939 a family member had been killed from a driving, texting person, 758 00:29:27,940 --> 00:29:29,636 and he told her to stop, 759 00:29:29,637 --> 00:29:32,944 and that she was outraged, followed him home-- 760 00:29:32,945 --> 00:29:35,337 I don't know where he lives. Why would I follow someone home 761 00:29:35,338 --> 00:29:36,817 with my three young kids in the back? 762 00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:38,253 How would we know? 763 00:29:38,254 --> 00:29:40,778 She pulled behind him in his driveway, came out. 764 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:43,606 She was yelling at him. He filmed her because he thought 765 00:29:43,607 --> 00:29:46,261 she was getting crazy, and she called the police. 766 00:29:46,262 --> 00:29:47,959 The police come, they pulled her aside. 767 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,656 She said, "He won't let me leave." 768 00:29:49,657 --> 00:29:52,050 They threw him to the ground, he got injured, 769 00:29:52,051 --> 00:29:54,704 - Yeah. - And then they took him to jail 770 00:29:54,705 --> 00:29:56,445 in front of his neighbors, got him to jail... 771 00:29:56,446 --> 00:29:58,273 I don't remember there being any neighbors out. 772 00:29:58,274 --> 00:29:59,840 ...and realized that Katie was the aggressor, not him, 773 00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:01,059 and he was released. 774 00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:02,756 'Cause I couldn't even tell my side. 775 00:30:02,757 --> 00:30:05,324 I didn't even go to court 'cause they served my ex-husband. 776 00:30:05,325 --> 00:30:07,717 Why did they serve your ex-husband? Was he in the car? 777 00:30:07,718 --> 00:30:10,285 No, they went to his house, 'cause that was my address 778 00:30:10,286 --> 00:30:12,418 at the time on my license or whatever. 779 00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:13,985 My lawyer said, "Did you know you had this date?" 780 00:30:13,986 --> 00:30:17,336 And I said, "No, what is it?" So, I didn't show up. 781 00:30:17,337 --> 00:30:19,686 So, I'm immediately guilty 'cause I never showed up. 782 00:30:19,687 --> 00:30:23,429 At the time, I was literally homeless with three kids. 783 00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:25,779 Like, we had nowhere to go. 784 00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:27,999 So, they served my ex-husband. 785 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,436 So I didn't even know about it. 786 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:33,047 They left it 'cause that was my address on my license. 787 00:30:33,048 --> 00:30:34,354 They left it. 788 00:30:35,311 --> 00:30:36,659 That was horrifying. 789 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:38,313 Kaili and Gavin still remember it. 790 00:30:38,314 --> 00:30:39,967 They're terrified of that. 791 00:30:39,968 --> 00:30:42,230 But do you see-- I feel like it's a pattern with you that 792 00:30:42,231 --> 00:30:43,753 every time you get called out on something, 793 00:30:43,754 --> 00:30:46,104 there's just an excuse for everything. 794 00:30:46,105 --> 00:30:48,106 There's a story that's always different 795 00:30:48,107 --> 00:30:50,064 than someone else's story. 796 00:30:50,065 --> 00:30:51,892 Just a lot of investigation here. 797 00:30:51,893 --> 00:30:53,589 Like, I knew nothing about this. 798 00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:55,417 - It's all over the internet. - It's not an investigation. 799 00:30:55,418 --> 00:30:57,855 - No one's investigating. - I don't look that often. 800 00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:01,293 It's everywhere. I don't do that. 801 00:31:01,294 --> 00:31:03,338 You started the day by saying, 802 00:31:03,339 --> 00:31:05,166 "I don't wanna be in an environment 803 00:31:05,167 --> 00:31:07,386 "where people dig stuff up on other people." 804 00:31:07,387 --> 00:31:10,171 Digging things up on people, it's enough. 805 00:31:10,172 --> 00:31:11,999 You're bringing up a lot of stuff. 806 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,568 I think she thinks that if it's in the public domain, 807 00:31:15,569 --> 00:31:17,744 where you're just flipping through Instagram 808 00:31:17,745 --> 00:31:19,485 - and there's an article. - What I'm saying is, 809 00:31:19,486 --> 00:31:21,139 I'm not calling any attorney. 810 00:31:21,140 --> 00:31:24,969 I'm not hiring a sub rosa. I'm not calling for paparazzi. 811 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:28,494 It's in the bloggers. It's out. It's everywhere. 812 00:31:28,495 --> 00:31:29,799 It is out. Yeah. It is out. 813 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,366 You don't have to dig for anything. 814 00:31:31,367 --> 00:31:33,368 Okay, well, any other questions for her? 815 00:31:33,369 --> 00:31:35,501 I just have a question about-- 816 00:31:35,502 --> 00:31:38,634 I saw an article and I read it, 817 00:31:38,635 --> 00:31:40,680 and it was about when you were first divorced, 818 00:31:40,681 --> 00:31:43,335 you didn't have physical or legal custody of your children. 819 00:31:43,336 --> 00:31:46,164 I don't understand how something like that happens, 820 00:31:46,165 --> 00:31:48,340 because here in California, for you to lose 821 00:31:48,341 --> 00:31:51,125 both physical and legal, you have to be unfit, 822 00:31:51,126 --> 00:31:52,561 or you sign papers and say, 823 00:31:52,562 --> 00:31:54,172 "I don't want anything to do with my kids." 824 00:31:54,173 --> 00:31:56,609 - What happened? - I was living in-- 825 00:31:56,610 --> 00:31:59,090 I can't say the name-- In a facility in Atlanta. 826 00:31:59,091 --> 00:32:01,831 My parents, who lived 20 minutes from me, wouldn't help me, 827 00:32:01,832 --> 00:32:05,357 'cause they wouldn't agree that I was divorcing my ex-husband. 828 00:32:05,358 --> 00:32:07,533 So, he was immediately awarded the kids because 829 00:32:07,534 --> 00:32:09,709 I could not provide a place for them to live. 830 00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:11,450 Why was it legal custody as well? 831 00:32:11,451 --> 00:32:13,234 That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. 832 00:32:13,235 --> 00:32:14,801 I don't know. 833 00:32:14,802 --> 00:32:17,717 Legal custody is just decision-making power. 834 00:32:17,718 --> 00:32:20,850 So, it has to do with the health and wellness of the kids. 835 00:32:20,851 --> 00:32:22,983 At the time, I thought, "You know what? 836 00:32:22,984 --> 00:32:24,898 "Right now, this is okay." 837 00:32:24,899 --> 00:32:27,205 I was trying to get my life together to figure out 838 00:32:27,206 --> 00:32:30,121 - how I could get them back. - How did you get custody back? 839 00:32:30,122 --> 00:32:32,384 We went to court a few times to fight it. 840 00:32:32,385 --> 00:32:35,430 And you wound up building a life for yourself 841 00:32:35,431 --> 00:32:37,041 - and getting custody back? - Yeah. 842 00:32:37,042 --> 00:32:38,390 Wow. 843 00:32:38,391 --> 00:32:39,869 How long were they in his custody? 844 00:32:39,870 --> 00:32:42,655 Um, it was 18 months until we could go back. 845 00:32:42,656 --> 00:32:44,352 But were you still co-parenting 846 00:32:44,353 --> 00:32:45,658 and doing your thing with the kids? 847 00:32:45,659 --> 00:32:47,138 Yep. I never missed a time, either. 848 00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:48,878 I never missed a time with my kids. 849 00:32:48,879 --> 00:32:52,274 That was a horrible, horrible time. 850 00:32:55,277 --> 00:32:57,627 All right, we are gonna leave it there. 851 00:33:02,893 --> 00:33:04,460 - Katie? - Yeah. 852 00:33:17,821 --> 00:33:19,518 Coming up... 853 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,912 Ryan's providing information so that they can prosecute Matt. 854 00:33:22,913 --> 00:33:24,088 That's his best friend! 855 00:33:24,089 --> 00:33:25,480 But that's how you get immunity. 856 00:33:25,481 --> 00:33:26,916 I don't know where everybody gets that. 857 00:33:26,917 --> 00:33:29,137 Because I'm an attorney, and that's how it works. 858 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:33,532 Gina, you look----ing gorgeous. 859 00:33:33,533 --> 00:33:37,101 How you keep your vagina inside your skirt, I don't... 860 00:33:37,102 --> 00:33:38,493 I mean, I don't, really. 861 00:33:38,494 --> 00:33:40,974 No, it's just kind of whatever it is. 862 00:33:40,975 --> 00:33:42,368 Oh, my God. 863 00:33:44,631 --> 00:33:46,327 - Oh, my God. - How old is Lucy now? 864 00:33:46,328 --> 00:33:47,894 She's two and a half. 865 00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,504 Okay, here we go. 866 00:33:49,505 --> 00:33:51,725 Five, four, three, two... 867 00:33:52,856 --> 00:33:54,553 Welcome back to 868 00:33:54,554 --> 00:33:56,337 "The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion. 869 00:33:56,338 --> 00:33:59,862 This year, as Jenn was betting it all on her future with Ryan, 870 00:33:59,863 --> 00:34:02,604 Tamra was dealing out accusations 871 00:34:02,605 --> 00:34:04,519 about Jenn's future husband. 872 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,565 And when Ryan found himself in the center 873 00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:09,785 of an international scandal, we learned that Tamra 874 00:34:09,786 --> 00:34:13,528 wasn't the only one looking into his background. Take a look. 875 00:34:13,529 --> 00:34:15,443 My man asked me to marry him. 876 00:34:15,444 --> 00:34:17,532 Yes, yes, yes. 877 00:34:17,533 --> 00:34:20,927 I am so happy where you and I are. 878 00:34:20,928 --> 00:34:23,060 Oh! Oh, my God! 879 00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:24,148 Oh, God! 880 00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:25,975 She's a kind, loving woman, 881 00:34:25,976 --> 00:34:28,936 but I want nothing to do with the guy. 882 00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:32,373 Oh, my God, Jenn! 883 00:34:32,374 --> 00:34:34,767 I have happiness that I've never had. 884 00:34:34,768 --> 00:34:37,639 I have sat in the same place that Jenn is at. 885 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,641 You always have to have a plan B. 886 00:34:39,642 --> 00:34:41,556 What does Ryan do for a living? Like, what does he do? 887 00:34:41,557 --> 00:34:42,949 Well, nothing now. 888 00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:45,082 - How's the FBI going for you? - Stop. 889 00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:46,692 FBI? 890 00:34:46,693 --> 00:34:49,738 I do know that Ryan and this guy that has been investigated 891 00:34:49,739 --> 00:34:52,219 by the FBI go to Vegas a lot. 892 00:34:52,220 --> 00:34:54,395 She knows he's a piece of sh--. 893 00:34:54,396 --> 00:34:57,398 You did a----ing background check on Ryan! 894 00:34:57,399 --> 00:34:58,791 [bleep] you! 895 00:34:58,792 --> 00:35:00,358 Have you talked about him being a bookie? 896 00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:01,663 Have you talked about a Ponzi scheme? 897 00:35:01,664 --> 00:35:03,143 You better----ing shut your mouth. 898 00:35:03,144 --> 00:35:05,973 Oh, okay, why? Is he gonna put a hit on me? 899 00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:08,409 What the [bleep]? 900 00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:10,107 This is huge. 901 00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:11,586 This is the biggest scandal out there. 902 00:35:11,587 --> 00:35:13,327 It's gonna be a bloodbath for me. 903 00:35:13,328 --> 00:35:15,938 His friend Matt, like, I knew was a professional gambler. 904 00:35:15,939 --> 00:35:17,593 He was at the party. 905 00:35:22,207 --> 00:35:24,773 - Oh, okay. - [laughing] 906 00:35:24,774 --> 00:35:27,037 I'm not a part of his bookie business. 907 00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:30,736 He didn't know where it came from? 908 00:35:30,737 --> 00:35:32,216 I was right about Brooks. 909 00:35:32,217 --> 00:35:34,174 I'm right about Ryan. 910 00:35:34,175 --> 00:35:35,481 He could go to prison. 911 00:35:40,399 --> 00:35:42,008 All right. 912 00:35:42,009 --> 00:35:45,968 When this news broke that there was this gambling scandal 913 00:35:45,969 --> 00:35:48,623 and that he was involved, 914 00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:52,279 did you consider breaking off your engagement? 915 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,021 No, I just-- That day was hard, 916 00:35:55,022 --> 00:35:57,763 and I felt like Ryan went one way and I went another way, 917 00:35:57,764 --> 00:35:59,330 and our phones were blowing up. 918 00:35:59,331 --> 00:36:02,376 Did Ryan say, "I'm cooperating with the authorities, 919 00:36:02,377 --> 00:36:03,943 "I have immunity, don't worry?" 920 00:36:03,944 --> 00:36:05,771 This was so long ago. I had already known all that. 921 00:36:05,772 --> 00:36:08,904 This had happened almost seven months prior to that. 922 00:36:08,905 --> 00:36:11,820 He had already been working with the authorities? 923 00:36:11,821 --> 00:36:13,605 Yeah, he had those two Zoom calls. 924 00:36:13,606 --> 00:36:15,215 Then why were you surprised when I mentioned the FBI? 925 00:36:15,216 --> 00:36:17,261 Yeah, but then when I was asking Ryan that night-- 926 00:36:17,262 --> 00:36:19,088 Because you mentioned the FBI 927 00:36:19,089 --> 00:36:21,656 as if Ryan is in trouble with the feds. 928 00:36:21,657 --> 00:36:23,136 "Ask him how the feds are going." 929 00:36:23,137 --> 00:36:25,704 Ryan and his attorney reached out to the feds. 930 00:36:25,705 --> 00:36:27,314 The feds never reached out to Ryan. 931 00:36:27,315 --> 00:36:28,837 The feds never came to Ryan's home. 932 00:36:28,838 --> 00:36:30,709 Well, they might have had he not cooperated. 933 00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:32,363 - I don't know. - But in that moment, remember, 934 00:36:32,364 --> 00:36:35,322 he was like, "I don't know, maybe she's talking about Matt." 935 00:36:35,323 --> 00:36:37,542 - As if he had no idea. - I mean, he knew, he knew. 936 00:36:37,543 --> 00:36:41,676 As a person of experience, when you're involved in a lawsuit 937 00:36:41,677 --> 00:36:44,897 and you're on a reality show and it's ongoing, 938 00:36:44,898 --> 00:36:46,681 you're not gonna sit there and say, 939 00:36:46,682 --> 00:36:48,640 "Oh, well, da-da-da-da-da." 940 00:36:48,641 --> 00:36:50,511 Okay, I wanna back up for a minute. 941 00:36:50,512 --> 00:36:52,078 Jenn, what did you mean when you said 942 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,949 you "literally - ed it all up?" 943 00:36:53,950 --> 00:36:56,038 I knew this article was coming. 944 00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,694 We were told it was like, "We wanna mention Ryan's name." 945 00:36:59,695 --> 00:37:01,435 Ryan's attorney said, "Then I want it known that 946 00:37:01,436 --> 00:37:03,220 "I'm not a bookie and I have no part 947 00:37:03,221 --> 00:37:05,526 "in this Shohei Ohtani situation." 948 00:37:05,527 --> 00:37:09,530 And then so when it came out, I felt like this is on me, 949 00:37:09,531 --> 00:37:11,837 because if I wasn't sitting on this couch, 950 00:37:11,838 --> 00:37:13,621 he wouldn't have been mentioned. 951 00:37:13,622 --> 00:37:16,233 It would have been about Matt and Matt's business. 952 00:37:16,234 --> 00:37:18,278 But Ryan was involved, and that's the reason why 953 00:37:18,279 --> 00:37:20,106 they were writing about it, and that's why he was mentioned. 954 00:37:20,107 --> 00:37:22,804 I feel badly that you think the reason that 955 00:37:22,805 --> 00:37:25,546 he's being implicated is because something you did, 956 00:37:25,547 --> 00:37:27,200 and that's not true. 957 00:37:27,201 --> 00:37:29,985 But he is not involved in Matt's bookie business at all. 958 00:37:29,986 --> 00:37:31,813 - Never has been. - But that's not true, though. 959 00:37:31,814 --> 00:37:35,077 - But it is true. - But you can say it's true, 960 00:37:35,078 --> 00:37:37,210 but I'm telling you, everything I've read-- 961 00:37:37,211 --> 00:37:40,735 and I've done as much research as possible to understand it, 962 00:37:40,736 --> 00:37:43,825 he is involved, and in order for him to have immunity, 963 00:37:43,826 --> 00:37:45,871 that means that he testifies. 964 00:37:45,872 --> 00:37:47,829 There was never a test-- he never testified. 965 00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:49,396 How did he get immunity, then? 966 00:37:49,397 --> 00:37:53,444 I would think that he's providing information about Matt 967 00:37:53,445 --> 00:37:55,184 so that they can prosecute Matt. 968 00:37:55,185 --> 00:37:57,274 - But that's his best friend. - You said he said 969 00:37:57,275 --> 00:37:58,971 - everything he knew about him. - Oh, my God. 970 00:37:58,972 --> 00:38:00,538 But that's how you get immunity. 971 00:38:00,539 --> 00:38:02,017 I don't know where everybody gets that. 972 00:38:02,018 --> 00:38:04,281 Because I'm an attorney and that's how it works. 973 00:38:04,282 --> 00:38:07,632 When you get immunity, it's because you're exchanging. 974 00:38:07,633 --> 00:38:09,416 - Right. - It's an exchange. 975 00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:10,765 I think you have to volunteer. 976 00:38:10,766 --> 00:38:12,201 I think he had to volunteer the account. 977 00:38:12,202 --> 00:38:13,333 - No, no. Immunity is-- - It's an exchange 978 00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:14,682 of information. 979 00:38:14,683 --> 00:38:16,380 Yes! Here's the account, have at it. 980 00:38:16,381 --> 00:38:19,774 Here's the computer. Here's the account. Here's the phone. 981 00:38:19,775 --> 00:38:21,341 That's all I'm saying. 982 00:38:21,342 --> 00:38:23,126 He submitted whatever he needed to submit to them. 983 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,825 Can you explain what the dirty business was? 984 00:38:26,826 --> 00:38:28,566 I don't know what dirty-- Where's the dirty business? 985 00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:30,524 - I can explain. - Yes, please. 986 00:38:30,525 --> 00:38:34,007 ♪ 987 00:38:38,141 --> 00:38:39,925 I don't know what dirty-- Where's the dirty business? 988 00:38:39,926 --> 00:38:41,492 - I can explain. - Yes, please. 989 00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:45,191 Okay, so Ohtani's interpreter has a gambling addiction. 990 00:38:45,192 --> 00:38:47,149 He makes all these bets with Matt. 991 00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:49,413 - Matt is an illegal bookie. - Yes. 992 00:38:49,414 --> 00:38:51,632 So, he racked up a ton of debt. 993 00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:53,721 So then, in order to pay his debts, 994 00:38:53,722 --> 00:38:56,289 he stole money out of Ohtani's account. 995 00:38:56,290 --> 00:38:58,639 That money went into Ryan's account. 996 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,512 It was between 15, 16, 17 million. 997 00:39:01,513 --> 00:39:03,209 It was in Ryan's name. 998 00:39:03,210 --> 00:39:07,126 Ryan moved the money into marker accounts and casinos, 999 00:39:07,127 --> 00:39:10,434 specifically Resorts World and Pechanga. 1000 00:39:10,435 --> 00:39:12,523 And then he cashed that money in 1001 00:39:12,524 --> 00:39:15,003 for chips and that they gambled 1002 00:39:15,004 --> 00:39:19,225 and that Ryan and Matt took 32 trips to Vegas 1003 00:39:19,226 --> 00:39:20,400 between '02 and '03. 1004 00:39:20,401 --> 00:39:22,315 I've read 32. I've read 40 some. 1005 00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:25,187 - I've read 16 million. - So, the point is-- 1006 00:39:25,188 --> 00:39:27,059 The reason Matt used that bank account was because 1007 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:28,756 he could only bank through a B of A. 1008 00:39:28,757 --> 00:39:30,367 He did not have a B of A account, 1009 00:39:30,368 --> 00:39:31,716 so he used that account. 1010 00:39:31,717 --> 00:39:33,544 When he had no idea it was gonna blow up 1011 00:39:33,545 --> 00:39:35,633 and be an E-Pay interpreter, whose money is this? 1012 00:39:35,634 --> 00:39:38,070 - So then-- I wanna finish. - I just-- 1013 00:39:38,071 --> 00:39:40,420 Every dollar was accounted for by Matt. 1014 00:39:40,421 --> 00:39:43,162 Ryan's name was on the account. That was the mistake. 1015 00:39:43,163 --> 00:39:47,558 But I get alert on my phone if I get $10,000 deposited. 1016 00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:50,256 Can I tell you why I worry for Jenn sometimes? 1017 00:39:50,257 --> 00:39:52,737 Because Ryan was aware that his friend 1018 00:39:52,738 --> 00:39:54,391 had an illegal gambling business. 1019 00:39:54,392 --> 00:39:56,784 Part of that, his friend's thing, 1020 00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:58,395 was that he was sending these planes 1021 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:00,962 and getting these rooms and da-da-da-da-da. 1022 00:40:00,963 --> 00:40:02,790 No, that's not how it goes, guys, and I'm sorry. 1023 00:40:02,791 --> 00:40:04,096 That's not how it goes. 1024 00:40:04,097 --> 00:40:05,619 So, why was he getting all these-- 1025 00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:07,186 Because he was doing big bets, right? 1026 00:40:07,187 --> 00:40:09,101 Because his bookie business made him a lot of money. 1027 00:40:09,102 --> 00:40:11,408 Then why did he go to Vegas 32 times between '02 and '03? 1028 00:40:11,409 --> 00:40:13,105 Matt went to Vegas all the time. All the time. 1029 00:40:13,106 --> 00:40:14,454 I'm just saying-- All I'm saying is-- 1030 00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:15,934 Why did Ryan go that many times? 1031 00:40:15,935 --> 00:40:18,023 Is this okay that she's talking about this? 1032 00:40:18,024 --> 00:40:21,983 He has immunity, so he's clearly cooperating with them. 1033 00:40:21,984 --> 00:40:24,333 - Yeah, I don't know. - I get nervous for you, 1034 00:40:24,334 --> 00:40:26,814 because I don't want you on those planes 1035 00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:29,164 - and in those hotel rooms-- - Ask Tamra. 1036 00:40:29,165 --> 00:40:31,123 What are you over there chiming in? 1037 00:40:31,124 --> 00:40:33,081 - You've got a lot to say. - She's not saying anything. 1038 00:40:33,082 --> 00:40:34,605 - She didn't say anything. - Yeah, as she shouldn't. 1039 00:40:34,606 --> 00:40:36,650 Look, I'm not here to attack Ryan. I'm really not. 1040 00:40:36,651 --> 00:40:39,000 I don't like to talk about legal things unless I understand 1041 00:40:39,001 --> 00:40:40,393 what I'm talking about, okay? 1042 00:40:40,394 --> 00:40:42,134 The two of them were cashing the chips in 1043 00:40:42,135 --> 00:40:44,136 that they lost $12 million gambling. 1044 00:40:44,137 --> 00:40:45,920 And I've read a million different ways myself. 1045 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:47,226 And that was a laundering money. 1046 00:40:47,227 --> 00:40:48,880 - Wow. - And he said at your party, 1047 00:40:48,881 --> 00:40:50,621 he goes, "This is my money laundering partner." 1048 00:40:50,622 --> 00:40:54,320 If you know Matt, Matt knows-- He's, like, making fun of it. 1049 00:40:54,321 --> 00:40:56,365 I mean he's being dumb as, like, "You're my money launderer." 1050 00:40:56,366 --> 00:40:58,542 But he has a criminal enterprise going on, 1051 00:40:58,543 --> 00:41:01,022 and he says "This is my money laundering partner." 1052 00:41:01,023 --> 00:41:03,242 But the money never-- But the money is not Ryan's. 1053 00:41:03,243 --> 00:41:04,983 I know that. I understand that. 1054 00:41:04,984 --> 00:41:07,376 The point also is that he's been given immunity. 1055 00:41:07,377 --> 00:41:10,989 So though he's been mentioned in this case, 1056 00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:12,512 he is not being charged with anything. 1057 00:41:12,513 --> 00:41:14,340 Andy, he is not being charged with anything. 1058 00:41:14,341 --> 00:41:17,996 Emily, if she's saying that the only part that Ryan had 1059 00:41:17,997 --> 00:41:20,433 in it is that his name was on the account-- 1060 00:41:20,434 --> 00:41:21,956 But that's opposite of everything I've read. 1061 00:41:21,957 --> 00:41:23,523 Then, I'm sorry. 1062 00:41:23,524 --> 00:41:25,264 I mean, I've read your in-laws fund your whole life. 1063 00:41:25,265 --> 00:41:27,658 ♪ 1064 00:41:27,659 --> 00:41:30,661 Look, at the end of the day, I would just have more respect 1065 00:41:30,662 --> 00:41:33,707 for you and Ryan if you just said to me, "You know what? 1066 00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:35,187 "He's made some bad choices, 1067 00:41:35,188 --> 00:41:36,841 "but he's gonna be on the straight and narrow." 1068 00:41:36,842 --> 00:41:38,320 I don't owe you that, because he hasn't. 1069 00:41:38,321 --> 00:41:40,061 - If he did, I'm pretty sure-- - How has he not? 1070 00:41:40,062 --> 00:41:41,541 Does he have a mortgage license anymore? 1071 00:41:41,542 --> 00:41:44,022 I don't-- I-- Why-- Like, you love to do this. 1072 00:41:44,023 --> 00:41:45,980 - I don't ask you... - No, I just feel like-- 1073 00:41:45,981 --> 00:41:47,286 ..."How many cases does Shane have?" 1074 00:41:47,287 --> 00:41:49,201 I just feel like you always do this. 1075 00:41:49,202 --> 00:41:51,029 - I don't always do anything. - Yes, you do. You do this... 1076 00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:52,683 I showed up and-- 1077 00:41:52,684 --> 00:41:54,554 ...Tammy Wynette thing where you gotta stand by your man, 1078 00:41:54,555 --> 00:41:56,861 and sometimes you just need to be accountable and say, 1079 00:41:56,862 --> 00:41:58,515 - "You know what?" - I am very accountable. 1080 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,691 - You made some bad choices. - I'm very accountable. 1081 00:42:00,692 --> 00:42:03,912 ♪ 1082 00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:06,523 Next week is part two of 1083 00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:08,220 "The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion. 1084 00:42:08,221 --> 00:42:10,048 Did you have any idea your trip to London 1085 00:42:10,049 --> 00:42:12,050 - would involve an enema? - I'm here to help. 1086 00:42:12,051 --> 00:42:13,399 Where did Eddie sleep that night? 1087 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,357 - In my bed? - Not what I heard. 1088 00:42:15,358 --> 00:42:17,055 If you're going up and looking at the price tag, 1089 00:42:17,056 --> 00:42:19,187 - that is mean girl behavior. - No, it wasn't. 1090 00:42:19,188 --> 00:42:22,713 There have been incidents and my kids are scared. 1091 00:42:22,714 --> 00:42:25,890 Your daughter said we're fake-ass bitches who suck dick. 1092 00:42:25,891 --> 00:42:28,936 It could have done damage to my relationship with Heather. 1093 00:42:28,937 --> 00:42:30,808 I'm not gonna apologize for defending my man. 1094 00:42:30,809 --> 00:42:33,462 - He was still gonna sue you. - And I ended up winning. 1095 00:42:33,463 --> 00:42:34,769 Asshole.