Tonight, the three-part
"Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion begins.
All right, everybody, let's clear the stage.
- Good morning. - Ready as I'll ever be.
It's gonna be an amazing day.
- Hi. - Top of the mornin'!
It's so wild to do this on a Sunday.
It's the Lord's Day, so there will be no fighting.
- [laughter] - That'd be nice.
Or we'll all go up in flames.
How many times did you practice in front of the mirror,
"There's the door, Shannon Beador,"
when there was no door?
This is unknown, unchartered territory.
So, we're fake-ass bitches who suck dick?
No!
All right, ladies, we'll be coming to stage next.
My kids are scared and I don't know what to do.
I had nothing to do with him going to jail.
That's not how the police tell the story.
All right, we are speeding.
The money is not Ryan's.
You always do this Tammy Wynette thing
where you gotta stand by your man.
I've read your in-laws fund your whole life.
Five, four...
When everyone tells you you're dead, it's time to lie down.
Three 'to the jib, two...
I took your job ten years ago. I'm still sitting here.
Oh!
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome to "The Real Housewives of Orange County"
Season 18 reunion.
I'm Andy Cohen. We are high atop the hills of Orange County,
or at least pretending we are.
And congratulations are in order.
Your season marked the 100th season
of the Real Housewives franchise.
- Wow! - Wow.
So mazel to that, and let's get started.
- Hi, Tamra. - Hi, Andy.
Last I saw you, you were on Instagram
- with a very swollen face. - Yes.
This is by far the ugliest day of them all.
What happened, and are you happy with the results?
So, I had a CO2 laser with a blue peel and a brow lift.
And yeah, I'm happy. It was a process, but it was only,
like, a week and a half...
- Okay. - ...of being, like,
swollen and ugly.
- Well, you look great. - Thank you.
- Hi, Emily. How are you? - Hi. Hi, Andy.
Still working out seven days a week?
No, you know what? I've lessened it a little.
I'm not as obsessed.
Does Shane join you in the gym?
I hired a personal trainer for him,
and now he works out weekly with him.
So, I got one time a week. I feel like that's--
- Okay. That's nice. - Yeah, yeah.
- Hey, Heather. - Hi.
What's happening construction-wise
on the new home?
Oh, my God. It's a disaster.
- Really? - Yeah.
Yeah, you know how you and I always talk about
our construction things, how it's, like, twice the time,
- twice the budget? - Yes.
- We're sort of in that land. - Wow.
- Yeah. - Speaking of real estate.
- Hey, Gina. - Hi, Andy.
How's business for you?
It's been wonderful, actually.
I have to say, we're really getting some traction.
You know, I just closed on a house last week.
I have another deal closing Monday.
- That's great. - Yeah.
Hi, Katie. Welcome to your first reunion.
- Hi. - You ready for today?
Um, I think so.
Did Sutton offer you any advice?
No. We didn't talk in a couple weeks, so no.
- All right. Hey, Jenn. - Hi.
Congratulations on your engagement.
- Thank you. - When is the wedding?
So, we're talking next June.
Any of the ladies here will be receiving an invite?
Oh, my gosh. I would love to have the ladies, of course.
Finally, hello, Shannon Storms Bedore.
- Hello, Andy. - How are you?
- I'm good. - You look happy
- and healthy today. - Thank you. I am.
How is the dating world?
Well, I hadn't gone out on a date for a year,
but I just did go out on dates.
You might be blushing right now.
- I probably am. - Aw! Shannon.
- Wow. That's great. - Yeah.
Look, this has been such a dramatic season.
I'm curious if we could set some intentions.
Tamra, it was interesting to hear
what your intention for tonight was.
I would love for Shannon to hear what you told me.
Yeah. I wanna talk about why I was hurt by what went down
and hope that we can get to a common ground.
We don't have to be best friends, but I don't want it
to be uncomfortable and I don't want it to be toxic.
You mentioned to me that you're starting therapy this week.
- Oh, thank you. - Well, I mean,
I think it's interesting. I wanna know,
what are your goals with your therapist?
Um, to find out where that anger stems from.
Okay. How do you take that?
I mean, the way I was treated by you this season is unacceptable.
You attacked me and I really don't have an interest
- in being friends with you. - Okay.
Because what I'm doing in my therapy,
I'm creating healthy boundaries,
and a healthy boundary is not being in a toxic relationship.
Are you saying that our entire friendship was toxic?
Absolutely. Especially when you came back on the show,
we never got to the point of friendship that we were before.
- Well, I thought we did. - So, you can keep exaggerating
on how close and how often we spent time together
- because we weren't that close. - I thought we were close.
And it's not about just spending time together.
We would talk every single day.
She's saying that she wants to try today
to take the toxicity out of your relationship.
- Okay, well-- - So, we'll see.
- So, are you-- - A lot of open wounds here.
- Okay. - A lot of open wounds.
- And me too, Shannon. - Okay.
Jenn?
A hope and intention that I have is really for Emily and I
to set forward on a better path.
But I don't feel like there was a lot that happened.
And I feel like you're very reserved with me,
and I don't understand that. I don't know if that's you or if
that's Ryan telling you that you should not be friendly with me.
And maybe it's 'cause I'm an attorney, I don't know.
Ryan will give me his opinion,
but Ryan never tells me how to act or not react to somebody.
Even if he did, I would still do what I wanna do.
And I felt the same way you felt, that there was
- something going on. - But there's not.
Okay, well, we're gonna figure it out.
- Yeah. Okay. - Okay.
Anyone else before I move on?
Oh, gosh. I wanna own a couple of things that I did
that I regret and just move forward with that.
- Heather? - I hope to walk out of here
with almost everyone as friends.
All right. After making headlines for her DUI arrest
just ten days after last year's reunion,
Shannon started the season under a microscope.
As she vowed to work on herself,
most of her friends were rooting for the Shannon reboot.
But her ex-amiga, Tamra, felt like
she was watching reruns of the same old show.
Let's watch.
The stupidest thing that could happen to anyone
is getting a DUI in today's world.
Shannon Beador drove her car into a home.
Do you drink?
Have I had a drink or two? Yeah.
I don't do it that often.
Belvedere soda with a lemon, please.
I'm so angry because I really thought this was gonna be
a wake-up call, but instead, she makes excuses.
You've been on this path for ten years with me.
Everybody has!
I think she's changed. I'm sorry.
Do you not think she has an alcohol problem?
- Yeah. Yeah, I do. - You go hard.
You're a liar and you're a drunk!
You've been doing nothing but defaming me.
Have I drove my car into a house?
I am not gonna enable Shannon because I'm that type of friend.
Stop----ing drinking, get help,
or I'm done with this relationship.
Okay. Safe to say the two of you
have not spoken since finale night.
- Mm-mm. - What's gonna be difficult
about today is I am at a place
where I don't feel I have to keep defending myself.
- Okay. - I'm okay.
I don't use alcohol to cope.
What is your drinking like now versus what it was before?
Oh, I would just keep going before.
And I would drink because I didn't feel good inside,
and it would make me forget all of that sort of thing.
Heather, you seem to agree with Tamra that Shannon
had an unhealthy relationship with alcohol.
I mean, when we heard about the DUI and we heard about
what your number was, and it was so high,
and, I mean, like Terry was saying, like, as a doctor,
like, how high that was, it was very concerning.
And someone that could, like, really be...
- It got out of control. - ...awake at that blood alcohol
level is someone that drinks a lot,
and that's where I was coming from.
Christine from Los Angeles said,
"Gina, why do you have sympathy for Shannon
"after all the crap she talked about your DUI
"and bringing your kids into the mix?
"She fled the scene of an accident, continues to drink,
"and all she can say is she's embarrassed."
Well, I don't think that's all she said.
I think she was actually pretty transparent about what she did
and her remorse for what she did.
And at the same point, I made the same mistake.
Once this happened, it gave Shannon
a completely different perspective,
and then she finally was willing to see it through my eyes,
and I would be a fool then at that point to not embrace that.
I witnessed it. It was genuine.
She was truly hurt. She was sobbing.
And it's hard for Tamra 'cause she wasn't seeing that.
I wasn't. But you know what I did see is, like,
Shannon saw you at BravoCon after her DUI.
We had a holiday lunch that Heather put together.
She didn't apologize to you then,
but she did apologize to you on camera.
Yes, and maybe she wasn't there yet or whatever,
but to be honest, I really wasn't even willing
to look in your direction at that lunch,
'cause I was pretty pissed still. Yeah.
Yeah. I wasn't having it.
She posted a picture without me in it.
I wasn't there yet. I wasn't there yet either.
It's a process.
I mean, I'm not an angel, you know?
Can I just say something?
I felt like the constant calling her an alcoholic
was so counterproductive to what the outcome should be.
You can't bully someone into not drinking.
When you say you need to get the help that you need,
we have to let Shannon determine what that help is.
She has to decide what that is.
That's for Shannon-- No, I'm not--
And look where I am today. Never been better.
But you're arguing with me and you don't have to argue with me.
- You're doing amazing. - Thank you.
Tamra, Christine from Queensland, Australia, said,
"Why do you feel mocking and berating Shannon
"is gonna make her stop drinking?"
Yeah, no. Looking back, obviously that just
came from anger, and that was my one thing to go to 'cause
I know that it would upset her in that actual argument.
You know what you did, Tamra? You said,
"I was there every single day after her DUI."
- No, you weren't. - I was on the phone with you.
Tamra, you were in Scotland. You left the day after my DUI.
After I got back from Scotland--
And I did get the help. I went to a place for 30 days.
And you have the audacity at Gina's dinner to say,
"Lie, lie, lie, lie!"
That's all you----ing do.
Because you called me drunk
several times after that, that's why.
One time you called me drunk and you went off like a crazy woman,
and then called me ten minutes later
and had the same conversation with me.
Tamra, I went to a place where they did
random drug and alcohol testing.
I didn't drink during the program.
You did. You did.
You don't know anything about me.
Tamra, I went to a place where they did
random drug and alcohol testing.
I didn't drink during the program.
You did. You did.
You don't know anything about me.
Let me ask you this. Hold on. Tamra, what you're saying is,
"I think she's got a real problem
"and she needs to deal with it."
She feels like she's dealt with it
and she's gotten it under control.
At what point do you say...
- But, wait. No, yeah. - ..."Okay, go with God."
I understand that, but we're not close right now
so I don't know where she's at, but this is the tenth reunion
that we're talking about her drinking.
Because you have brought it up every single year, Tamra.
That is not true, Shannon.
You tell everyone that I have a drinking problem.
You drink a lot, Shannon.
I either had too much to drink
or I was slipped something.
She has self-medicated herself.
- I'm not an alcoholic. - Are you drunk?
I'm tired of people trying to paint me out to be a drunk.
You called me completely lit up.
Okay, Miss Holier Than Thou.
You tend to drink and call some of us.
That's a----ed up thing to say to me.
It is not!
My recollection, though, at the last reunion was that
it was not just Tamra that was
talking about your relationship with alcohol.
But because-- Exactly. I got a DUI ten days later.
I was frickin' miserable when we filmed that reunion last year.
Okay. Cora from Overland Park, Kansas, said,
"Shannon, you and Heather met at the beginning of the season
"and talked about rebuilding trust in your friendship.
"Where are you at? Do you trust each other?"
I mean, I have a real problem
with what happened at the end of the season,
because when I told you the story in Sonoma,
you were like... [gasps] Shannon!
...I took a photograph of myself and I sent it to John.
[gasps] Oh, Shannon.
And then you tell me in London, "Oh, I already knew the story."
It was like, bravo, then, for the acting,
because you acted like you'd never heard the story before.
It's different having someone tell you a story thirdhand
and the person that was involved in it tell it to you.
I knew that Tamra had told me she had seen that photo before.
I had never seen that photo before.
That is very, very different. So, no bravo.
You don't have to add it to my IMDb.
I was feeling horrible for you.
I was happy to be there as your friend.
I didn't discuss it with anyone until the Jeff Lewis thing.
How did he not hear it? Has that ever occurred to you?
I haven't really thought about it, Jeff.
If you watch these clips on the Jeff Lewis, I was exhausted.
In my head, I was saying I hadn't thought about it,
because Jeff Lewis is the person that called me
two weeks after my DUI and said, "Did he hear it?"
I'm the one that said "hadn't" versus "haven't."
I had never thought about
John possibly hearing my accident until
- Jeff pointed it out to me. - But that was months ago.
Months ago. This was prior to that.
This was weeks later. But I really wanna point out,
I didn't talk to anyone about it until you went on Jeff Lewis.
To me, that was like the, "Okay, we're talking about it."
So, does that make sense?
I mean, if you talked about it on the radio, then...
- Right. Can you see that? - And you had said--
I guess I'll say that that first night in London
- was horrible for me. - I get it.
The second and third weren't much better.
And then it turned into, "You're a liar."
And then it turned in, "You're using me."
And it's like, oh, my God.
I understand why you're upset with me.
I apologize.
If you don't trust me to tell me important information,
please, for the love of God, don't tell me.
- Let's just rebuild that way. - Okay.
Tamra, what do you think Shannon's intent was in wanting
to bring the Travis and Gina story to the reunion last year?
Shannon consulted an attorney to find out
if you threw Travis down the stairs.
Because they had been fighting.
She wanted to hurt me.
And then, you know, there was the wiener thing,
- and then the-- - The wiener.
Let's say "dick."
Gina, were you more hurt that Shannon was gonna use
the information at the reunion or that Tamra brought it up?
In the moment, truly, I was more upset that Tamra brought it up.
Do you know how I heard that
there was even a story out there?
- She sent it to you. - You told it to me.
By the way, it was for--
The story came out four months before--
No, you said that Travis's ex-wife had reached out to you,
- or someone. - I have not reached out--
I don't even know her name.
Someone's always reaching out to you, Tamra.
She has never reached out to me, ever.
So, Tamra has admitted that
she came at you too hard this season.
Is there anything else you wanna explain about that?
I think for me, I was witnessing her drinking,
and she was calling me intoxicated
- and then going and doing-- - I need you to stop doing that,
because I didn't.
I know what the truth is,
and if someone's gonna believe your lies, then I'm sorry.
You can't just keep gaslighting
anytime somebody brings something up.
But why not at this point, why don't you just say you're sorry?
- Yeah. - And that's it. And let it--
- Just say you're sorry. - She's talking to you.
- No, I'm talking to you. - Oh.
Why don't you just say you're sorry?
She's like, "Yeah, that sounds good. Let's do that."
Wait, sorry about what?
Tamra says that I owe her an apology, so...
Okay, hold on. Are you sorry for how you came at her this season?
Yes. I was struggling with the fact that I was with you,
talking with you after the DUI.
I knew that you were still drinking. I knew--
You can't do it. An "I'm sorry, but..."
- So-- - An "I'm sorry, but..."
I don't have a-- There's no "but" in there.
There's no "but." And then you get on the show and I felt like
you were in the same spot that you were after your DUI.
Well, I'm sorry you felt that way.
You were wrong. You were incorrect.
- Okay, I was wrong then. - You were incorrect.
I didn't think that you got the help that you needed.
I know I got the help that I needed, 'cause I'm good.
Okay. Well, that's all I've ever wanted for you.
Shannon...
Gina forgave you when you apologized, and you were harsh.
You said really terrible things to her.
I helped her with her DUI.
It would've gone to Child Protective Services.
And they were gonna arrest you in the morning.
It is not true!
And she forgave you
- when you apologized. - I understand,
- and I appreciate that. - And it felt good.
And I think the toxicity is gone, and that's great.
I'm saying, can you apply the same here?
I accept your apology. I appreciate your apology.
I just don't wanna be your friend anymore.
- Okay. - Okay. Fair enough.
You guys need a break, man.
- I just... - You need a break.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
♪
Coming up...
- I didn't call the paparazzi. - Don't put words in my mouth.
By the way, falsely accusing people is kind of your thing.
- I get it. - Ooh.
Oh, my God.
I actually pooped this morning. I was so excited.
You know, I went to New York before this.
- Yeah. - So, I got all constipated,
'cause I don't know why, but I get constipated when I travel.
Me too. Shannon gave me this stuff called ColonMax.
I'm sorry, you guys. We fixed the breast shelf.
- Oh, good! - Titties look good.
Had to get those bad boys behaving, Shannon.
- Oh, we've got-- - Girl, get 'em up.
I duct taped 'em down. I duct taped my breasts.
All right.
I was telling her about ColonMax.
- I'm about to poop right now. - Excuse me?
- [all giggling] - Five, four,
- three, two... - Welcome back to
"The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion.
We were just in commercial break, and I've been informed
by Shannon Storms Beador that she's about to poop.
Is this something we need to deal with?
- We've dealt with that. - We need the enema.
- Are you in peril? - I'm gonna be fine.
And I have multiple Spanx on,
so it's just too difficult of a maneuver right now.
- Okay. - It'll hold it in.
- She's harnessed. - Glad you wore white, though.
That works out really well for you.
Heather, can I borrow your dress?
- Okay. - [laughter]
Switching now.
- Okay. - [laughter]
This season, new Housewife, Katie,
moved her blended family to the OC,
where she was ready to take some big swings.
But she found herself stuck in a sand trap with Heather Dubrow,
and as the season went on, bad blood between
these two new frenemies was par for the course. Let's watch.
- This is Katie. - Hi, nice to meet you.
- Hi. Nice to meet you too. - She's my friend.
Oh, my God! She showed me her butthole!
Guess what just came in the mail? My name change.
Oh, my God.
When my ex-husband and I separated,
Kaili was nine, and now there's no contact.
Me, Kaili, and Matt are going to Korea
to hopefully meet my birth mother.
All I wanna do is say, like,
I had an amazing life, and I'm fine.
When you're adopted, your life is this puzzle,
and the bottom right corner is missing.
I loved my time here.
Like, you're gonna make really great friends.
- Yeah. - Well, that's what Gina said.
I love Heather.
There's been a couple things that have happened.
Don't be the pig walking into the kitchen!
You gon' get ate.
There was, like, a little bit of bad press
around Heather and Terry. I text it to my friend.
I said, "Is this true? Did she hire photographers
"to come take a photo of her?"
- He said yes. - [snickering]
She's gonna get herself in trouble.
Oh, this is exciting.
On the lives of my children,
I have never called a paparazzi.
[gasping]
I have facts and a receipt.
I can see straight through her.
Okay. Before we get into that, Katie,
I wanna hear about your journey attempting to reconnect with
- your birth mother in Korea. - Yeah.
Where are you at with that?
So, we were supposed to go in May,
and my father-in-law was put in the hospital.
He eventually passed away the end of July,
- so we had to delay our trip. - Sorry.
But it'll happen. We're supposed to go next month.
We just kind of put things on hold.
Katie, you and Tamra both have kids who live away from you.
Why did your son Max ultimately decide
to stay in Atlanta with your ex?
[exhales] He said he didn't wanna leave his surroundings,
didn't wanna leave his friends.
And although it kills me,
literally, that's his choice.
- How often do you see him? - Every break.
Like, Thanksgiving, Christmas, fall,
spring break, summer break, he's with us.
And I go to Atlanta once a month and see him.
We didn't see your son, Gavin, much this season.
Did he choose not to...
No, my ex wouldn't sign off on him, but he turned 18 in July,
so he actually signed his own waiver,
and that's why you see just pictures of him now.
- Got it. - And he was in San Diego.
He was. He was with my niece living in San Diego 'cause he
wanted to finish the school year at his high school in San Diego.
- So, he's still there? - No. He's full-time.
All of us are full-time in Orange County.
When I first met you, you reached out to me
saying you needed my help as a real estate agent.
- I did, yeah. - And you lied to me
about owning your home in San Diego.
No, I did not lie to you about owning our home.
We did a lease to own with them.
They wanted two years of rental income,
so that's the situation that we had.
I know, but she asked you directly,
- "Do you own this home?" - That means you don't
- own the home. - She showed me the texts,
and you said yes, but you don't own the home.
That's what bothers me.
And then you make an Instagram reel about--
Because I went on Jeff Lewis
and said that I thought that you moved.
I didn't move out of Orange County.
But you live in a different house,
so it's not like I was wrong.
I just heard that you said I moved to San Diego.
I did not move to San Diego.
But you said in an interview
that you went back to San Diego for a while.
For two months, because my father-in-law was dying.
Okay, so you went back to San Diego for a couple months.
Because his hospital was three miles from our house there.
and then you went back to Orange County and you live in
a different house than you used to live in
when you were filming with, and then you get mad
and make an Instagram when I was actually right.
I was fine with it, actually.
You did move, you don't live in the same house,
and you did go to San Diego for a while.
I did move. You are totally right about that.
I just think there's a lot of inconsistencies and things that
don't add up with some of the stuff that you say and do,
and that makes me feel, like, uncomfortable around you.
And, like, I don't trust you.
And I think that everybody here, including--
You have questioned that as well.
There is a lot of stories.
You just have to ask her, because she does.
She has a story and an explanation.
But do you believe all of them?
Do I have a reason not to?
If I look you up, there's not a hundred stories online.
- There's nothing. - Me neither.
- Except Terry cheats on me. - Oh, yeah.
Katie, you have been in the news recently regarding
a five million dollar lawsuit
- over your company Tee Shots... - Yeah.
...claiming it wasn't your original idea.
What can you clear up about that?
Yeah, I was actually just dismissed from that case.
It was my business partner and her husband's friend.
I've never met this man. I don't know who he is.
He claims to have had a conversation with
my business partner's husband on the golf course,
and he said he thought up this idea.
So, it's gonna be all white, but if you open it,
essentially the shots live in here,
and then you would take the shot.
So, that's where Tee Shots comes from.
There's just a lot of hinky stories.
I mean, Sutton texted me last week
and said to me, "She used me."
I used her?
"She came to my house in Augusta
"and said she was gonna bring all these high-level golfers.
"No one showed up. She didn't pay the photographer.
"She just used me to promote her business."
I offered to pay for all of it, even the catering.
I'm just telling you what Sutton said.
- Okay. - Katie, Nora in San Antonio
wants to know the story behind getting snubbed by Heather
- at Sutton's Christmas party. - Well, this is good
'cause there's three different stories.
The first story was that I saw you in the driveway,
and I looked at you, and then I looked at your husband.
You never saw me in the driveway, you saw me
- in front of the bar. - My turn to speak.
And then you looked away,
and then I looked away, and I snubbed you.
The second story was that I was at the bar.
- That is the story. - And I was with
Denise Richards and Camille.
But I never even saw Camille at that party.
That was story two. And then story three.
She was standing right next to you.
I'm still speaking. And story three was that we were
in a group of people and your name was said, and I heard it.
No, that was about Sutton's recent party.
I'm still not done.
And I heard your name, and I didn't respond,
and everyone standing there thought it was weird.
Let me just tell you something.
- Oh, my God. - When someone's coming into
this group, we all want to have friends.
Only a moron would do that, and I am not a moron.
- Right. - And I don't know how
- devolved into these... - Oh, yeah.
...three separate stories.
But I promise you,
had I known who you were, I would've said hi.
It would have been in her best interest to say hello.
Katie, Victoria from L.A. said,
"No one person runs all the paparazzi in L.A.
"Is it possible your friend meant,
'Yes, it looked like paparazzi,'
"versus having proof that Heather hired a photographer?"
No, we had a phone conversation after that text.
He called me and he said, "Why do you wanna know this?"
And I said I saw it on my TikTok feed.
It was funny. By the way, this person--
And who is this person? Without, I mean--
But see, I don't think you saw it on your TikTok feed.
- No, you didn't. - Because you told Gina--
The TikTok was two years ago.
You told Gina something totally different on a phone call.
No, it came across my For You page.
I screenshot the TikTok and sent it to him.
And that's what you see in our text thread.
It just came on my For You page.
Yeah, but the reason that you were asking about it
in the first place wasn't because it was on a TikTok feed.
What was your conversation with your source?
He had said that it wasn't Heather,
that it was somebody close to her.
I wanna be clear.
I didn't call the paparazzi.
I didn't pass a note in biology to someone.
- I didn't wink at anybody. - Got it.
Nobody notified the paparazzi.
Let it go. I don't know why you were trying to
look into things about me months before you met me.
I don't care what you saw "on TikTok."
It is weird.
I was very interested in meeting you. Nothing about you adds up.
I think there's a story for everything, and I don't--
I think you have absolutely no credibility.
♪
I don't know why you were trying to
look into things about me
months before you met me.
I think there's a story for everything, and I don't--
I think you have absolutely no credibility.
Okay.
I wanna apologize to you for saying that I think
it was a setup, because Tamra and I had that conversation.
Gina knew it would not be funny.
You got set up. You got set up.
You really believe that?
And me being very new, her saying that to me,
I was like, "Do you really think that?
"Like, is that-- do you think that's possible?"
Well, it was because of all the things you were telling me.
Right. Well, it was just the whole situation in general.
That she thought that Gina told you to bring it up,
that it would be funny.
And we talked about it, and I said, "I really wanna
"tell Heather, woman to woman, this is what I wanna tell her."
I didn't want it to be this whole group thing.
But you told the whole group first.
And I said at the bar, "Why did you tell everybody?"
You know, I just feel like I was--
Well, it was on purpose.
Well, it was too far gone by then.
But by the way, how about this?
Bah-bah-bah-bah-bah-bah-bah. Why do you care?
- Why do you care? - You know, I honestly, Heather,
didn't think this would be so rattling.
No, no, you did. You wanted it to.
- No, I didn't. - This is your thing.
- By the way... - Don't put words in my mouth.
falsely accusing people is kind of your thing.
- I get it. - Ooh.
Oh, my God.
What else has there been falsely accused?
She falsely accused someone and he ended up going to prison.
He didn't go to prison. Can I just tell the story?
- He went to jail. - I don't know if
- you wanna tell the story. - I do wanna tell the story.
I don't know if we believe you telling the story.
- We read the story. - I would love to hear it.
The kids and I were driving in Marietta, Georgia,
- on a four-lane road. - When was this?
Like, nine, ten years ago.
- Okay. - Okay?
A man was swerving into our lane with his window down,
yelling, "[bleep] you, bitch," at me. I was like, "Holy cow."
So I had three kids in the back of my car. They were little.
I pulled off on a side road to, like, let him pass me.
He, like, went right in front of my car
and started screaming at me. I called the police.
The police said, "Can you leave?"
I put my car in reverse, he ran to the back of my car,
he started filming inside of my car, my children.
My children are screaming, crying.
My kids remember that day. It was terrifying.
He's filming us.
That's not the story the police tell.
- Okay, go on. - Right.
- They tell a one-sided story. - The police?
Hold on. I wanna hear the rest of your story.
Okay. So then I'm like, "He won't let me leave."
He runs in front of my car when I try to leave.
The police come in and they're like, "Calm down, calm down."
They're like, "If you don't calm down, we'll tase you."
And-- Yeah. He's like, "F you, F you" to the police.
They tase him and he goes to jail.
I had nothing to do with him going to jail.
Well, that's not how the police tell the story.
The police tell the story that you followed the guy home.
I would never follow anyone home.
So, the police are lying.
How do you know what the police said about it?
'Cause they have statements in that article.
- Yes, from him and them. - From the police.
If you read the police report, the statement I gave
to Cobb County Police, it's a lot different.
- It's a lot different. - She was driving her car
and she was texting with children in the car,
and this guy saw her, and he was triggered because
a family member had been killed from a driving, texting person,
and he told her to stop,
and that she was outraged, followed him home--
I don't know where he lives. Why would I follow someone home
with my three young kids in the back?
How would we know?
She pulled behind him in his driveway, came out.
She was yelling at him. He filmed her because he thought
she was getting crazy, and she called the police.
The police come, they pulled her aside.
She said, "He won't let me leave."
They threw him to the ground, he got injured,
- Yeah. - And then they took him to jail
in front of his neighbors, got him to jail...
I don't remember there being any neighbors out.
...and realized that Katie was the aggressor, not him,
and he was released.
'Cause I couldn't even tell my side.
I didn't even go to court 'cause they served my ex-husband.
Why did they serve your ex-husband? Was he in the car?
No, they went to his house, 'cause that was my address
at the time on my license or whatever.
My lawyer said, "Did you know you had this date?"
And I said, "No, what is it?" So, I didn't show up.
So, I'm immediately guilty 'cause I never showed up.
At the time, I was literally homeless with three kids.
Like, we had nowhere to go.
So, they served my ex-husband.
So I didn't even know about it.
They left it 'cause that was my address on my license.
They left it.
That was horrifying.
Kaili and Gavin still remember it.
They're terrified of that.
But do you see-- I feel like it's a pattern with you that
every time you get called out on something,
there's just an excuse for everything.
There's a story that's always different
than someone else's story.
Just a lot of investigation here.
Like, I knew nothing about this.
- It's all over the internet. - It's not an investigation.
- No one's investigating. - I don't look that often.
It's everywhere. I don't do that.
You started the day by saying,
"I don't wanna be in an environment
"where people dig stuff up on other people."
Digging things up on people, it's enough.
You're bringing up a lot of stuff.
I think she thinks that if it's in the public domain,
where you're just flipping through Instagram
- and there's an article. - What I'm saying is,
I'm not calling any attorney.
I'm not hiring a sub rosa. I'm not calling for paparazzi.
It's in the bloggers. It's out. It's everywhere.
It is out. Yeah. It is out.
You don't have to dig for anything.
Okay, well, any other questions for her?
I just have a question about--
I saw an article and I read it,
and it was about when you were first divorced,
you didn't have physical or legal custody of your children.
I don't understand how something like that happens,
because here in California, for you to lose
both physical and legal, you have to be unfit,
or you sign papers and say,
"I don't want anything to do with my kids."
- What happened? - I was living in--
I can't say the name-- In a facility in Atlanta.
My parents, who lived 20 minutes from me, wouldn't help me,
'cause they wouldn't agree that I was divorcing my ex-husband.
So, he was immediately awarded the kids because
I could not provide a place for them to live.
Why was it legal custody as well?
That's the part that doesn't make sense to me.
I don't know.
Legal custody is just decision-making power.
So, it has to do with the health and wellness of the kids.
At the time, I thought, "You know what?
"Right now, this is okay."
I was trying to get my life together to figure out
- how I could get them back. - How did you get custody back?
We went to court a few times to fight it.
And you wound up building a life for yourself
- and getting custody back? - Yeah.
Wow.
How long were they in his custody?
Um, it was 18 months until we could go back.
But were you still co-parenting
and doing your thing with the kids?
Yep. I never missed a time, either.
I never missed a time with my kids.
That was a horrible, horrible time.
All right, we are gonna leave it there.
- Katie? - Yeah.
Coming up...
Ryan's providing information so that they can prosecute Matt.
That's his best friend!
But that's how you get immunity.
I don't know where everybody gets that.
Because I'm an attorney, and that's how it works.
Gina, you look----ing gorgeous.
How you keep your vagina inside your skirt, I don't...
I mean, I don't, really.
No, it's just kind of whatever it is.
Oh, my God.
- Oh, my God. - How old is Lucy now?
She's two and a half.
Okay, here we go.
Five, four, three, two...
Welcome back to
"The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion.
This year, as Jenn was betting it all on her future with Ryan,
Tamra was dealing out accusations
about Jenn's future husband.
And when Ryan found himself in the center
of an international scandal, we learned that Tamra
wasn't the only one looking into his background. Take a look.
My man asked me to marry him.
Yes, yes, yes.
I am so happy where you and I are.
Oh! Oh, my God!
Oh, God!
She's a kind, loving woman,
but I want nothing to do with the guy.
Oh, my God, Jenn!
I have happiness that I've never had.
I have sat in the same place that Jenn is at.
You always have to have a plan B.
What does Ryan do for a living? Like, what does he do?
Well, nothing now.
- How's the FBI going for you? - Stop.
FBI?
I do know that Ryan and this guy that has been investigated
by the FBI go to Vegas a lot.
She knows he's a piece of sh--.
You did a----ing background check on Ryan!
[bleep] you!
Have you talked about him being a bookie?
Have you talked about a Ponzi scheme?
You better----ing shut your mouth.
Oh, okay, why? Is he gonna put a hit on me?
What the [bleep]?
This is huge.
This is the biggest scandal out there.
It's gonna be a bloodbath for me.
His friend Matt, like, I knew was a professional gambler.
He was at the party.
- Oh, okay. - [laughing]
I'm not a part of his bookie business.
He didn't know where it came from?
I was right about Brooks.
I'm right about Ryan.
He could go to prison.
All right.
When this news broke that there was this gambling scandal
and that he was involved,
did you consider breaking off your engagement?
No, I just-- That day was hard,
and I felt like Ryan went one way and I went another way,
and our phones were blowing up.
Did Ryan say, "I'm cooperating with the authorities,
"I have immunity, don't worry?"
This was so long ago. I had already known all that.
This had happened almost seven months prior to that.
He had already been working with the authorities?
Yeah, he had those two Zoom calls.
Then why were you surprised when I mentioned the FBI?
Yeah, but then when I was asking Ryan that night--
Because you mentioned the FBI
as if Ryan is in trouble with the feds.
"Ask him how the feds are going."
Ryan and his attorney reached out to the feds.
The feds never reached out to Ryan.
The feds never came to Ryan's home.
Well, they might have had he not cooperated.
- I don't know. - But in that moment, remember,
he was like, "I don't know, maybe she's talking about Matt."
- As if he had no idea. - I mean, he knew, he knew.
As a person of experience, when you're involved in a lawsuit
and you're on a reality show and it's ongoing,
you're not gonna sit there and say,
"Oh, well, da-da-da-da-da."
Okay, I wanna back up for a minute.
Jenn, what did you mean when you said
you "literally - ed it all up?"
I knew this article was coming.
We were told it was like, "We wanna mention Ryan's name."
Ryan's attorney said, "Then I want it known that
"I'm not a bookie and I have no part
"in this Shohei Ohtani situation."
And then so when it came out, I felt like this is on me,
because if I wasn't sitting on this couch,
he wouldn't have been mentioned.
It would have been about Matt and Matt's business.
But Ryan was involved, and that's the reason why
they were writing about it, and that's why he was mentioned.
I feel badly that you think the reason that
he's being implicated is because something you did,
and that's not true.
But he is not involved in Matt's bookie business at all.
- Never has been. - But that's not true, though.
- But it is true. - But you can say it's true,
but I'm telling you, everything I've read--
and I've done as much research as possible to understand it,
he is involved, and in order for him to have immunity,
that means that he testifies.
There was never a test-- he never testified.
How did he get immunity, then?
I would think that he's providing information about Matt
so that they can prosecute Matt.
- But that's his best friend. - You said he said
- everything he knew about him. - Oh, my God.
But that's how you get immunity.
I don't know where everybody gets that.
Because I'm an attorney and that's how it works.
When you get immunity, it's because you're exchanging.
- Right. - It's an exchange.
I think you have to volunteer.
I think he had to volunteer the account.
- No, no. Immunity is-- - It's an exchange
of information.
Yes! Here's the account, have at it.
Here's the computer. Here's the account. Here's the phone.
That's all I'm saying.
He submitted whatever he needed to submit to them.
Can you explain what the dirty business was?
I don't know what dirty-- Where's the dirty business?
- I can explain. - Yes, please.
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I don't know what dirty-- Where's the dirty business?
- I can explain. - Yes, please.
Okay, so Ohtani's interpreter has a gambling addiction.
He makes all these bets with Matt.
- Matt is an illegal bookie. - Yes.
So, he racked up a ton of debt.
So then, in order to pay his debts,
he stole money out of Ohtani's account.
That money went into Ryan's account.
It was between 15, 16, 17 million.
It was in Ryan's name.
Ryan moved the money into marker accounts and casinos,
specifically Resorts World and Pechanga.
And then he cashed that money in
for chips and that they gambled
and that Ryan and Matt took 32 trips to Vegas
between '02 and '03.
I've read 32. I've read 40 some.
- I've read 16 million. - So, the point is--
The reason Matt used that bank account was because
he could only bank through a B of A.
He did not have a B of A account,
so he used that account.
When he had no idea it was gonna blow up
and be an E-Pay interpreter, whose money is this?
- So then-- I wanna finish. - I just--
Every dollar was accounted for by Matt.
Ryan's name was on the account. That was the mistake.
But I get alert on my phone if I get $10,000 deposited.
Can I tell you why I worry for Jenn sometimes?
Because Ryan was aware that his friend
had an illegal gambling business.
Part of that, his friend's thing,
was that he was sending these planes
and getting these rooms and da-da-da-da-da.
No, that's not how it goes, guys, and I'm sorry.
That's not how it goes.
So, why was he getting all these--
Because he was doing big bets, right?
Because his bookie business made him a lot of money.
Then why did he go to Vegas 32 times between '02 and '03?
Matt went to Vegas all the time. All the time.
I'm just saying-- All I'm saying is--
Why did Ryan go that many times?
Is this okay that she's talking about this?
He has immunity, so he's clearly cooperating with them.
- Yeah, I don't know. - I get nervous for you,
because I don't want you on those planes
- and in those hotel rooms-- - Ask Tamra.
What are you over there chiming in?
- You've got a lot to say. - She's not saying anything.
- She didn't say anything. - Yeah, as she shouldn't.
Look, I'm not here to attack Ryan. I'm really not.
I don't like to talk about legal things unless I understand
what I'm talking about, okay?
The two of them were cashing the chips in
that they lost $12 million gambling.
And I've read a million different ways myself.
And that was a laundering money.
- Wow. - And he said at your party,
he goes, "This is my money laundering partner."
If you know Matt, Matt knows-- He's, like, making fun of it.
I mean he's being dumb as, like, "You're my money launderer."
But he has a criminal enterprise going on,
and he says "This is my money laundering partner."
But the money never-- But the money is not Ryan's.
I know that. I understand that.
The point also is that he's been given immunity.
So though he's been mentioned in this case,
he is not being charged with anything.
Andy, he is not being charged with anything.
Emily, if she's saying that the only part that Ryan had
in it is that his name was on the account--
But that's opposite of everything I've read.
Then, I'm sorry.
I mean, I've read your in-laws fund your whole life.
♪
Look, at the end of the day, I would just have more respect
for you and Ryan if you just said to me, "You know what?
"He's made some bad choices,
"but he's gonna be on the straight and narrow."
I don't owe you that, because he hasn't.
- If he did, I'm pretty sure-- - How has he not?
Does he have a mortgage license anymore?
I don't-- I-- Why-- Like, you love to do this.
- I don't ask you... - No, I just feel like--
..."How many cases does Shane have?"
I just feel like you always do this.
- I don't always do anything. - Yes, you do. You do this...
I showed up and--
...Tammy Wynette thing where you gotta stand by your man,
and sometimes you just need to be accountable and say,
- "You know what?" - I am very accountable.
- You made some bad choices. - I'm very accountable.
♪
Next week is part two of
"The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion.
Did you have any idea your trip to London
- would involve an enema? - I'm here to help.
Where did Eddie sleep that night?
- In my bed? - Not what I heard.
If you're going up and looking at the price tag,
- that is mean girl behavior. - No, it wasn't.
There have been incidents and my kids are scared.
Your daughter said we're fake-ass bitches who suck dick.
It could have done damage to my relationship with Heather.
I'm not gonna apologize for defending my man.
- He was still gonna sue you. - And I ended up winning.
Asshole.