1 00:00:03,046 --> 00:00:05,046 Tonight, the three-part 2 00:00:05,047 --> 00:00:07,309 "Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion begins. 3 00:00:07,310 --> 00:00:09,268 All right, everybody, let's clear the stage. 4 00:00:09,269 --> 00:00:10,834 - Good morning. - Ready as I'll ever be. 5 00:00:10,835 --> 00:00:12,097 It's gonna be an amazing day. 6 00:00:12,098 --> 00:00:14,273 - Hi. - Top of the mornin'! 7 00:00:14,274 --> 00:00:16,666 It's so wild to do this on a Sunday. 8 00:00:16,667 --> 00:00:18,451 It's the Lord's Day, so there will be no fighting. 9 00:00:18,452 --> 00:00:19,800 That'd be nice. 10 00:00:19,801 --> 00:00:21,454 Or we'll all go up in flames. 11 00:00:21,455 --> 00:00:25,284 How many times did you practice in front of the mirror, 12 00:00:25,285 --> 00:00:27,677 "There's the door, Shannon Beador," 13 00:00:27,678 --> 00:00:28,811 when there was no door? 14 00:00:29,203 --> 00:00:31,116 This is unknown, unchartered territory. 15 00:00:31,117 --> 00:00:33,944 So, we're fake-ass bitches who suck dick? 16 00:00:33,945 --> 00:00:35,468 No! 17 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:36,991 All right, ladies, we'll be coming to stage next. 18 00:00:36,992 --> 00:00:40,214 My kids are scared and I don't know what to do. 19 00:00:40,866 --> 00:00:43,519 I had nothing to do with him going to jail. 20 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,045 That's not how the police tell the story. 21 00:00:45,436 --> 00:00:47,045 All right, we are speeding. 22 00:00:47,046 --> 00:00:48,307 The money is not Ryan's. 23 00:00:48,308 --> 00:00:50,352 You always do this Tammy Wynette thing 24 00:00:50,353 --> 00:00:51,832 where you gotta stand by your man. 25 00:00:51,833 --> 00:00:54,184 I've read your in-laws fund your whole life. 26 00:00:54,663 --> 00:00:56,228 Five, four... 27 00:00:56,229 --> 00:00:58,665 When everyone tells you you're dead, it's time to lie down. 28 00:00:58,666 --> 00:01:00,145 Three 'to the jib, two... 29 00:01:00,146 --> 00:01:03,887 I took your job ten years ago. I'm still sitting here. 30 00:01:03,888 --> 00:01:05,326 Oh! 31 00:01:11,897 --> 00:01:13,419 Hey, everybody. 32 00:01:13,420 --> 00:01:14,855 Welcome to "The Real Housewives of Orange County" 33 00:01:14,856 --> 00:01:17,510 Season 18 reunion. 34 00:01:17,511 --> 00:01:21,514 I'm Andy Cohen. We are high atop the hills of Orange County, 35 00:01:21,515 --> 00:01:23,516 or at least pretending we are. 36 00:01:23,517 --> 00:01:26,345 And congratulations are in order. 37 00:01:26,346 --> 00:01:29,522 Your season marked the 100th season 38 00:01:29,523 --> 00:01:31,828 of the Real Housewives franchise. 39 00:01:31,829 --> 00:01:33,352 - Wow! - Wow. 40 00:01:33,353 --> 00:01:36,442 So mazel to that, and let's get started. 41 00:01:36,443 --> 00:01:38,183 - Hi, Tamra. - Hi, Andy. 42 00:01:38,184 --> 00:01:40,576 Last I saw you, you were on Instagram 43 00:01:40,577 --> 00:01:43,318 - with a very swollen face. - Yes. 44 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,712 This is by far the ugliest day of them all. 45 00:01:45,713 --> 00:01:48,715 What happened, and are you happy with the results? 46 00:01:48,716 --> 00:01:52,545 So, I had a CO2 laser with a blue peel and a brow lift. 47 00:01:52,546 --> 00:01:55,939 And yeah, I'm happy. It was a process, but it was only, 48 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:57,463 like, a week and a half... 49 00:01:57,464 --> 00:01:58,812 - Okay. - ...of being, like, 50 00:01:58,813 --> 00:02:00,205 swollen and ugly. 51 00:02:00,206 --> 00:02:01,815 - Well, you look great. - Thank you. 52 00:02:01,816 --> 00:02:04,078 - Hi, Emily. How are you? - Hi. Hi, Andy. 53 00:02:04,079 --> 00:02:06,036 Still working out seven days a week? 54 00:02:06,037 --> 00:02:08,387 No, you know what? I've lessened it a little. 55 00:02:08,388 --> 00:02:10,693 I'm not as obsessed. 56 00:02:10,694 --> 00:02:12,652 Does Shane join you in the gym? 57 00:02:12,653 --> 00:02:14,393 I hired a personal trainer for him, 58 00:02:14,394 --> 00:02:16,090 and now he works out weekly with him. 59 00:02:16,091 --> 00:02:18,179 So, I got one time a week. I feel like that's-- 60 00:02:18,180 --> 00:02:20,312 - Okay. That's nice. - Yeah, yeah. 61 00:02:20,313 --> 00:02:21,704 - Hey, Heather. - Hi. 62 00:02:21,705 --> 00:02:23,097 What's happening construction-wise 63 00:02:23,098 --> 00:02:24,229 on the new home? 64 00:02:24,230 --> 00:02:25,969 Oh, my God. It's a disaster. 65 00:02:25,970 --> 00:02:27,493 - Really? - Yeah. 66 00:02:27,494 --> 00:02:29,103 Yeah, you know how you and I always talk about 67 00:02:29,104 --> 00:02:31,105 our construction things, how it's, like, twice the time, 68 00:02:31,106 --> 00:02:32,411 - twice the budget? - Yes. 69 00:02:32,412 --> 00:02:33,760 - We're sort of in that land. - Wow. 70 00:02:33,761 --> 00:02:35,588 - Yeah. - Speaking of real estate. 71 00:02:35,589 --> 00:02:37,416 - Hey, Gina. - Hi, Andy. 72 00:02:37,417 --> 00:02:38,591 How's business for you? 73 00:02:38,592 --> 00:02:40,375 It's been wonderful, actually. 74 00:02:40,376 --> 00:02:42,725 I have to say, we're really getting some traction. 75 00:02:42,726 --> 00:02:44,901 You know, I just closed on a house last week. 76 00:02:44,902 --> 00:02:46,903 I have another deal closing Monday. 77 00:02:46,904 --> 00:02:48,340 - That's great. - Yeah. 78 00:02:48,341 --> 00:02:50,080 Hi, Katie. Welcome to your first reunion. 79 00:02:50,081 --> 00:02:51,821 - Hi. - You ready for today? 80 00:02:51,822 --> 00:02:53,171 Um, I think so. 81 00:02:53,172 --> 00:02:54,955 Did Sutton offer you any advice? 82 00:02:54,956 --> 00:02:58,306 No. We didn't talk in a couple weeks, so no. 83 00:02:58,307 --> 00:03:00,656 - All right. Hey, Jenn. - Hi. 84 00:03:00,657 --> 00:03:02,528 Congratulations on your engagement. 85 00:03:02,529 --> 00:03:04,399 - Thank you. - When is the wedding? 86 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,966 So, we're talking next June. 87 00:03:05,967 --> 00:03:08,795 Any of the ladies here will be receiving an invite? 88 00:03:08,796 --> 00:03:11,493 Oh, my gosh. I would love to have the ladies, of course. 89 00:03:11,494 --> 00:03:14,148 Finally, hello, Shannon Storms Bedore. 90 00:03:14,149 --> 00:03:15,541 - Hello, Andy. - How are you? 91 00:03:15,542 --> 00:03:16,933 - I'm good. - You look happy 92 00:03:16,934 --> 00:03:19,545 - and healthy today. - Thank you. I am. 93 00:03:19,546 --> 00:03:21,982 How is the dating world? 94 00:03:21,983 --> 00:03:25,507 Well, I hadn't gone out on a date for a year, 95 00:03:25,508 --> 00:03:27,640 but I just did go out on dates. 96 00:03:27,641 --> 00:03:29,119 You might be blushing right now. 97 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,644 - I probably am. - Aw! Shannon. 98 00:03:31,645 --> 00:03:33,776 - Wow. That's great. - Yeah. 99 00:03:33,777 --> 00:03:37,040 Look, this has been such a dramatic season. 100 00:03:37,041 --> 00:03:40,174 I'm curious if we could set some intentions. 101 00:03:40,175 --> 00:03:42,263 Tamra, it was interesting to hear 102 00:03:42,264 --> 00:03:43,786 what your intention for tonight was. 103 00:03:43,787 --> 00:03:46,267 I would love for Shannon to hear what you told me. 104 00:03:46,268 --> 00:03:50,793 Yeah. I wanna talk about why I was hurt by what went down 105 00:03:50,794 --> 00:03:53,753 and hope that we can get to a common ground. 106 00:03:53,754 --> 00:03:56,495 We don't have to be best friends, but I don't want it 107 00:03:56,496 --> 00:04:00,063 to be uncomfortable and I don't want it to be toxic. 108 00:04:00,064 --> 00:04:03,284 You mentioned to me that you're starting therapy this week. 109 00:04:03,285 --> 00:04:05,243 - Oh, thank you. - Well, I mean, 110 00:04:05,244 --> 00:04:06,635 I think it's interesting. I wanna know, 111 00:04:06,636 --> 00:04:08,115 what are your goals with your therapist? 112 00:04:08,116 --> 00:04:10,683 Um, to find out where that anger stems from. 113 00:04:10,684 --> 00:04:13,163 Okay. How do you take that? 114 00:04:13,164 --> 00:04:17,037 I mean, the way I was treated by you this season is unacceptable. 115 00:04:17,038 --> 00:04:20,432 You attacked me and I really don't have an interest 116 00:04:20,433 --> 00:04:22,608 - in being friends with you. - Okay. 117 00:04:22,609 --> 00:04:25,611 Because what I'm doing in my therapy, 118 00:04:25,612 --> 00:04:27,352 I'm creating healthy boundaries, 119 00:04:27,353 --> 00:04:30,006 and a healthy boundary is not being in a toxic relationship. 120 00:04:30,007 --> 00:04:33,706 Are you saying that our entire friendship was toxic? 121 00:04:33,707 --> 00:04:36,970 Absolutely. Especially when you came back on the show, 122 00:04:36,971 --> 00:04:40,713 we never got to the point of friendship that we were before. 123 00:04:40,714 --> 00:04:43,063 - Well, I thought we did. - So, you can keep exaggerating 124 00:04:43,064 --> 00:04:46,632 on how close and how often we spent time together 125 00:04:46,633 --> 00:04:49,548 - because we weren't that close. - I thought we were close. 126 00:04:49,549 --> 00:04:51,550 And it's not about just spending time together. 127 00:04:51,551 --> 00:04:52,986 We would talk every single day. 128 00:04:52,987 --> 00:04:55,423 She's saying that she wants to try today 129 00:04:55,424 --> 00:04:57,556 to take the toxicity out of your relationship. 130 00:04:57,557 --> 00:04:59,079 - Okay, well-- - So, we'll see. 131 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,908 - So, are you-- - A lot of open wounds here. 132 00:05:01,909 --> 00:05:03,562 - Okay. - A lot of open wounds. 133 00:05:03,563 --> 00:05:04,911 - And me too, Shannon. - Okay. 134 00:05:04,912 --> 00:05:06,434 Jenn? 135 00:05:06,435 --> 00:05:09,655 A hope and intention that I have is really for Emily and I 136 00:05:09,656 --> 00:05:12,222 to set forward on a better path. 137 00:05:12,223 --> 00:05:15,051 But I don't feel like there was a lot that happened. 138 00:05:15,052 --> 00:05:17,750 And I feel like you're very reserved with me, 139 00:05:17,751 --> 00:05:20,143 and I don't understand that. I don't know if that's you or if 140 00:05:20,144 --> 00:05:24,757 that's Ryan telling you that you should not be friendly with me. 141 00:05:24,758 --> 00:05:27,368 And maybe it's 'cause I'm an attorney, I don't know. 142 00:05:27,369 --> 00:05:29,109 Ryan will give me his opinion, 143 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:31,111 but Ryan never tells me how to act or not react to somebody. 144 00:05:31,112 --> 00:05:33,026 Even if he did, I would still do what I wanna do. 145 00:05:33,027 --> 00:05:35,594 And I felt the same way you felt, that there was 146 00:05:35,595 --> 00:05:37,770 - something going on. - But there's not. 147 00:05:37,771 --> 00:05:39,598 Okay, well, we're gonna figure it out. 148 00:05:39,599 --> 00:05:41,251 - Yeah. Okay. - Okay. 149 00:05:41,252 --> 00:05:42,818 Anyone else before I move on? 150 00:05:42,819 --> 00:05:45,212 Oh, gosh. I wanna own a couple of things that I did 151 00:05:45,213 --> 00:05:47,780 that I regret and just move forward with that. 152 00:05:47,781 --> 00:05:50,391 - Heather? - I hope to walk out of here 153 00:05:50,392 --> 00:05:53,002 with almost everyone as friends. 154 00:05:53,003 --> 00:05:56,658 All right. After making headlines for her DUI arrest 155 00:05:56,659 --> 00:05:59,792 just ten days after last year's reunion, 156 00:05:59,793 --> 00:06:02,838 Shannon started the season under a microscope. 157 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,840 As she vowed to work on herself, 158 00:06:04,841 --> 00:06:08,453 most of her friends were rooting for the Shannon reboot. 159 00:06:08,454 --> 00:06:10,890 But her ex-amiga, Tamra, felt like 160 00:06:10,891 --> 00:06:13,980 she was watching reruns of the same old show. 161 00:06:13,981 --> 00:06:14,896 Let's watch. 162 00:06:16,288 --> 00:06:17,940 The stupidest thing that could happen to anyone 163 00:06:17,941 --> 00:06:20,029 is getting a DUI in today's world. 164 00:06:20,030 --> 00:06:24,427 Shannon Beador drove her car into a home. 165 00:06:25,341 --> 00:06:26,427 Do you drink? 166 00:06:26,428 --> 00:06:28,213 Have I had a drink or two? Yeah. 167 00:06:28,736 --> 00:06:30,083 I don't do it that often. 168 00:06:30,084 --> 00:06:33,216 Belvedere soda with a lemon, please. 169 00:06:33,217 --> 00:06:35,218 I'm so angry because I really thought this was gonna be 170 00:06:35,219 --> 00:06:37,656 a wake-up call, but instead, she makes excuses. 171 00:06:37,657 --> 00:06:40,659 You've been on this path for ten years with me. 172 00:06:40,660 --> 00:06:42,356 Everybody has! 173 00:06:42,357 --> 00:06:43,705 I think she's changed. I'm sorry. 174 00:06:43,706 --> 00:06:46,447 Do you not think she has an alcohol problem? 175 00:06:46,448 --> 00:06:48,580 - Yeah. Yeah, I do. - You go hard. 176 00:06:48,581 --> 00:06:51,193 You're a liar and you're a drunk! 177 00:06:51,715 --> 00:06:54,847 You've been doing nothing but defaming me. 178 00:06:54,848 --> 00:06:57,329 Have I drove my car into a house? 179 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,723 I am not gonna enable Shannon because I'm that type of friend. 180 00:07:01,724 --> 00:07:03,551 Stop----ing drinking, get help, 181 00:07:03,552 --> 00:07:05,642 or I'm done with this relationship. 182 00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:08,948 Okay. Safe to say the two of you 183 00:07:08,949 --> 00:07:11,472 have not spoken since finale night. 184 00:07:11,473 --> 00:07:13,474 - Mm-mm. - What's gonna be difficult 185 00:07:13,475 --> 00:07:15,824 about today is I am at a place 186 00:07:15,825 --> 00:07:18,523 where I don't feel I have to keep defending myself. 187 00:07:18,524 --> 00:07:20,307 - Okay. - I'm okay. 188 00:07:20,308 --> 00:07:22,091 I don't use alcohol to cope. 189 00:07:22,092 --> 00:07:26,400 What is your drinking like now versus what it was before? 190 00:07:26,401 --> 00:07:28,228 Oh, I would just keep going before. 191 00:07:28,229 --> 00:07:32,493 And I would drink because I didn't feel good inside, 192 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:35,148 and it would make me forget all of that sort of thing. 193 00:07:35,149 --> 00:07:38,760 Heather, you seem to agree with Tamra that Shannon 194 00:07:38,761 --> 00:07:41,110 had an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. 195 00:07:41,111 --> 00:07:43,678 I mean, when we heard about the DUI and we heard about 196 00:07:43,679 --> 00:07:46,289 what your number was, and it was so high, 197 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:49,031 and, I mean, like Terry was saying, like, as a doctor, 198 00:07:49,032 --> 00:07:51,904 like, how high that was, it was very concerning. 199 00:07:51,905 --> 00:07:53,949 And someone that could, like, really be... 200 00:07:53,950 --> 00:07:56,735 - It got out of control. - ...awake at that blood alcohol 201 00:07:56,736 --> 00:07:58,606 level is someone that drinks a lot, 202 00:07:58,607 --> 00:08:00,739 and that's where I was coming from. 203 00:08:00,740 --> 00:08:02,088 Christine from Los Angeles said, 204 00:08:02,089 --> 00:08:04,177 "Gina, why do you have sympathy for Shannon 205 00:08:04,178 --> 00:08:06,745 "after all the crap she talked about your DUI 206 00:08:06,746 --> 00:08:08,747 "and bringing your kids into the mix? 207 00:08:08,748 --> 00:08:11,706 "She fled the scene of an accident, continues to drink, 208 00:08:11,707 --> 00:08:13,969 "and all she can say is she's embarrassed." 209 00:08:13,970 --> 00:08:16,015 Well, I don't think that's all she said. 210 00:08:16,016 --> 00:08:19,497 I think she was actually pretty transparent about what she did 211 00:08:19,498 --> 00:08:21,107 and her remorse for what she did. 212 00:08:21,108 --> 00:08:23,588 And at the same point, I made the same mistake. 213 00:08:23,589 --> 00:08:26,547 Once this happened, it gave Shannon 214 00:08:26,548 --> 00:08:28,767 a completely different perspective, 215 00:08:28,768 --> 00:08:32,597 and then she finally was willing to see it through my eyes, 216 00:08:32,598 --> 00:08:37,776 and I would be a fool then at that point to not embrace that. 217 00:08:37,777 --> 00:08:39,734 I witnessed it. It was genuine. 218 00:08:39,735 --> 00:08:42,128 She was truly hurt. She was sobbing. 219 00:08:42,129 --> 00:08:44,696 And it's hard for Tamra 'cause she wasn't seeing that. 220 00:08:44,697 --> 00:08:47,916 I wasn't. But you know what I did see is, like, 221 00:08:47,917 --> 00:08:50,876 Shannon saw you at BravoCon after her DUI. 222 00:08:50,877 --> 00:08:53,618 We had a holiday lunch that Heather put together. 223 00:08:53,619 --> 00:08:55,228 She didn't apologize to you then, 224 00:08:55,229 --> 00:08:57,796 but she did apologize to you on camera. 225 00:08:57,797 --> 00:09:01,147 Yes, and maybe she wasn't there yet or whatever, 226 00:09:01,148 --> 00:09:03,541 but to be honest, I really wasn't even willing 227 00:09:03,542 --> 00:09:05,238 to look in your direction at that lunch, 228 00:09:05,239 --> 00:09:07,588 'cause I was pretty pissed still. Yeah. 229 00:09:07,589 --> 00:09:09,590 Yeah. I wasn't having it. 230 00:09:09,591 --> 00:09:11,113 She posted a picture without me in it. 231 00:09:11,114 --> 00:09:14,160 I wasn't there yet. I wasn't there yet either. 232 00:09:14,161 --> 00:09:15,422 It's a process. 233 00:09:15,423 --> 00:09:17,598 I mean, I'm not an angel, you know? 234 00:09:17,599 --> 00:09:18,991 Can I just say something? 235 00:09:18,992 --> 00:09:22,472 I felt like the constant calling her an alcoholic 236 00:09:22,473 --> 00:09:26,781 was so counterproductive to what the outcome should be. 237 00:09:26,782 --> 00:09:29,784 You can't bully someone into not drinking. 238 00:09:29,785 --> 00:09:32,221 When you say you need to get the help that you need, 239 00:09:32,222 --> 00:09:34,746 we have to let Shannon determine what that help is. 240 00:09:34,747 --> 00:09:36,051 She has to decide what that is. 241 00:09:36,052 --> 00:09:37,705 That's for Shannon-- No, I'm not-- 242 00:09:37,706 --> 00:09:39,533 And look where I am today. Never been better. 243 00:09:39,534 --> 00:09:42,275 But you're arguing with me and you don't have to argue with me. 244 00:09:42,276 --> 00:09:44,146 - You're doing amazing. - Thank you. 245 00:09:44,147 --> 00:09:47,019 Tamra, Christine from Queensland, Australia, said, 246 00:09:47,020 --> 00:09:49,151 "Why do you feel mocking and berating Shannon 247 00:09:49,152 --> 00:09:50,849 "is gonna make her stop drinking?" 248 00:09:50,850 --> 00:09:53,199 Yeah, no. Looking back, obviously that just 249 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,550 came from anger, and that was my one thing to go to 'cause 250 00:09:56,551 --> 00:10:00,075 I know that it would upset her in that actual argument. 251 00:10:00,076 --> 00:10:02,556 You know what you did, Tamra? You said, 252 00:10:02,557 --> 00:10:07,169 "I was there every single day after her DUI." 253 00:10:07,170 --> 00:10:09,607 - No, you weren't. - I was on the phone with you. 254 00:10:09,608 --> 00:10:13,654 Tamra, you were in Scotland. You left the day after my DUI. 255 00:10:13,655 --> 00:10:15,525 After I got back from Scotland-- 256 00:10:15,526 --> 00:10:18,790 And I did get the help. I went to a place for 30 days. 257 00:10:18,791 --> 00:10:22,881 And you have the audacity at Gina's dinner to say, 258 00:10:22,882 --> 00:10:24,578 "Lie, lie, lie, lie!" 259 00:10:24,579 --> 00:10:25,971 That's all you----ing do. 260 00:10:25,972 --> 00:10:27,668 Because you called me drunk 261 00:10:27,669 --> 00:10:29,933 several times after that, that's why. 262 00:10:30,499 --> 00:10:33,805 One time you called me drunk and you went off like a crazy woman, 263 00:10:33,806 --> 00:10:35,371 and then called me ten minutes later 264 00:10:35,372 --> 00:10:37,462 and had the same conversation with me. 265 00:10:37,941 --> 00:10:42,378 Tamra, I went to a place where they did 266 00:10:42,379 --> 00:10:44,337 random drug and alcohol testing. 267 00:10:44,338 --> 00:10:46,426 I didn't drink during the program. 268 00:10:46,427 --> 00:10:47,688 You did. You did. 269 00:10:47,689 --> 00:10:49,866 You don't know anything about me. 270 00:10:57,395 --> 00:11:01,659 Tamra, I went to a place where they did 271 00:11:01,660 --> 00:11:03,704 random drug and alcohol testing. 272 00:11:03,705 --> 00:11:05,663 I didn't drink during the program. 273 00:11:05,664 --> 00:11:06,925 You did. You did. 274 00:11:06,926 --> 00:11:08,666 You don't know anything about me. 275 00:11:08,667 --> 00:11:12,670 Let me ask you this. Hold on. Tamra, what you're saying is, 276 00:11:12,671 --> 00:11:15,150 "I think she's got a real problem 277 00:11:15,151 --> 00:11:16,717 "and she needs to deal with it." 278 00:11:16,718 --> 00:11:18,763 She feels like she's dealt with it 279 00:11:18,764 --> 00:11:20,199 and she's gotten it under control. 280 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,027 At what point do you say... 281 00:11:22,028 --> 00:11:24,333 - But, wait. No, yeah. - ..."Okay, go with God." 282 00:11:24,334 --> 00:11:26,335 I understand that, but we're not close right now 283 00:11:26,336 --> 00:11:28,947 so I don't know where she's at, but this is the tenth reunion 284 00:11:28,948 --> 00:11:31,166 that we're talking about her drinking. 285 00:11:31,167 --> 00:11:34,735 Because you have brought it up every single year, Tamra. 286 00:11:34,736 --> 00:11:36,258 That is not true, Shannon. 287 00:11:36,259 --> 00:11:38,565 You tell everyone that I have a drinking problem. 288 00:11:38,566 --> 00:11:39,827 You drink a lot, Shannon. 289 00:11:39,828 --> 00:11:41,611 I either had too much to drink 290 00:11:41,612 --> 00:11:42,743 or I was slipped something. 291 00:11:42,744 --> 00:11:44,353 She has self-medicated herself. 292 00:11:44,354 --> 00:11:46,616 - I'm not an alcoholic. - Are you drunk? 293 00:11:46,617 --> 00:11:49,881 I'm tired of people trying to paint me out to be a drunk. 294 00:11:49,882 --> 00:11:51,883 You called me completely lit up. 295 00:11:51,884 --> 00:11:53,449 Okay, Miss Holier Than Thou. 296 00:11:53,450 --> 00:11:55,234 You tend to drink and call some of us. 297 00:11:55,235 --> 00:11:56,801 That's a----ed up thing to say to me. 298 00:11:56,802 --> 00:11:58,367 It is not! 299 00:11:58,368 --> 00:12:00,805 My recollection, though, at the last reunion was that 300 00:12:00,806 --> 00:12:02,632 it was not just Tamra that was 301 00:12:02,633 --> 00:12:04,417 talking about your relationship with alcohol. 302 00:12:04,418 --> 00:12:08,377 But because-- Exactly. I got a DUI ten days later. 303 00:12:08,378 --> 00:12:11,554 I was frickin' miserable when we filmed that reunion last year. 304 00:12:11,555 --> 00:12:15,515 Okay. Cora from Overland Park, Kansas, said, 305 00:12:15,516 --> 00:12:18,213 "Shannon, you and Heather met at the beginning of the season 306 00:12:18,214 --> 00:12:20,607 "and talked about rebuilding trust in your friendship. 307 00:12:20,608 --> 00:12:23,566 "Where are you at? Do you trust each other?" 308 00:12:23,567 --> 00:12:25,873 I mean, I have a real problem 309 00:12:25,874 --> 00:12:28,658 with what happened at the end of the season, 310 00:12:28,659 --> 00:12:31,749 because when I told you the story in Sonoma, 311 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:33,796 you were like... Shannon! 312 00:12:35,363 --> 00:12:38,799 ...I took a photograph of myself and I sent it to John. 313 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,801 Oh, Shannon. 314 00:12:40,802 --> 00:12:44,152 And then you tell me in London, "Oh, I already knew the story." 315 00:12:44,153 --> 00:12:46,720 It was like, bravo, then, for the acting, 316 00:12:46,721 --> 00:12:49,810 because you acted like you'd never heard the story before. 317 00:12:49,811 --> 00:12:53,422 It's different having someone tell you a story thirdhand 318 00:12:53,423 --> 00:12:55,990 and the person that was involved in it tell it to you. 319 00:12:55,991 --> 00:12:59,254 I knew that Tamra had told me she had seen that photo before. 320 00:12:59,255 --> 00:13:01,430 I had never seen that photo before. 321 00:13:01,431 --> 00:13:04,259 That is very, very different. So, no bravo. 322 00:13:04,260 --> 00:13:06,827 You don't have to add it to my IMDb. 323 00:13:06,828 --> 00:13:09,438 I was feeling horrible for you. 324 00:13:09,439 --> 00:13:11,353 I was happy to be there as your friend. 325 00:13:11,354 --> 00:13:15,270 I didn't discuss it with anyone until the Jeff Lewis thing. 326 00:13:15,271 --> 00:13:18,012 How did he not hear it? Has that ever occurred to you? 327 00:13:18,013 --> 00:13:20,188 I haven't really thought about it, Jeff. 328 00:13:20,189 --> 00:13:23,757 If you watch these clips on the Jeff Lewis, I was exhausted. 329 00:13:23,758 --> 00:13:27,282 In my head, I was saying I hadn't thought about it, 330 00:13:27,283 --> 00:13:30,285 because Jeff Lewis is the person that called me 331 00:13:30,286 --> 00:13:33,158 two weeks after my DUI and said, "Did he hear it?" 332 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:36,074 I'm the one that said "hadn't" versus "haven't." 333 00:13:36,075 --> 00:13:38,467 I had never thought about 334 00:13:38,468 --> 00:13:41,470 John possibly hearing my accident until 335 00:13:41,471 --> 00:13:44,169 - Jeff pointed it out to me. - But that was months ago. 336 00:13:44,170 --> 00:13:45,823 Months ago. This was prior to that. 337 00:13:45,824 --> 00:13:47,694 This was weeks later. But I really wanna point out, 338 00:13:47,695 --> 00:13:51,350 I didn't talk to anyone about it until you went on Jeff Lewis. 339 00:13:51,351 --> 00:13:54,135 To me, that was like the, "Okay, we're talking about it." 340 00:13:54,136 --> 00:13:55,702 So, does that make sense? 341 00:13:55,703 --> 00:13:57,443 I mean, if you talked about it on the radio, then... 342 00:13:57,444 --> 00:14:00,141 - Right. Can you see that? - And you had said-- 343 00:14:00,142 --> 00:14:03,884 I guess I'll say that that first night in London 344 00:14:03,885 --> 00:14:05,538 - was horrible for me. - I get it. 345 00:14:05,539 --> 00:14:07,716 The second and third weren't much better. 346 00:14:08,369 --> 00:14:10,717 And then it turned into, "You're a liar." 347 00:14:10,718 --> 00:14:12,850 And then it turned in, "You're using me." 348 00:14:12,851 --> 00:14:14,373 And it's like, oh, my God. 349 00:14:14,374 --> 00:14:16,854 I understand why you're upset with me. 350 00:14:16,855 --> 00:14:18,420 I apologize. 351 00:14:18,421 --> 00:14:20,466 If you don't trust me to tell me important information, 352 00:14:20,467 --> 00:14:22,511 please, for the love of God, don't tell me. 353 00:14:22,512 --> 00:14:24,776 - Let's just rebuild that way. - Okay. 354 00:14:25,777 --> 00:14:28,691 Tamra, what do you think Shannon's intent was in wanting 355 00:14:28,692 --> 00:14:32,652 to bring the Travis and Gina story to the reunion last year? 356 00:14:32,653 --> 00:14:36,351 Shannon consulted an attorney to find out 357 00:14:36,352 --> 00:14:39,139 if you threw Travis down the stairs. 358 00:14:39,966 --> 00:14:41,617 Because they had been fighting. 359 00:14:41,618 --> 00:14:43,141 She wanted to hurt me. 360 00:14:43,142 --> 00:14:44,794 And then, you know, there was the wiener thing, 361 00:14:44,795 --> 00:14:46,233 - and then the-- - The wiener. 362 00:14:51,629 --> 00:14:53,064 Let's say "dick." 363 00:14:53,065 --> 00:14:55,936 Gina, were you more hurt that Shannon was gonna use 364 00:14:55,937 --> 00:14:58,939 the information at the reunion or that Tamra brought it up? 365 00:14:58,940 --> 00:15:02,943 In the moment, truly, I was more upset that Tamra brought it up. 366 00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:04,205 Do you know how I heard that 367 00:15:04,206 --> 00:15:06,033 there was even a story out there? 368 00:15:06,034 --> 00:15:08,385 - She sent it to you. - You told it to me. 369 00:15:09,125 --> 00:15:11,299 By the way, it was for-- 370 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:13,388 The story came out four months before-- 371 00:15:13,389 --> 00:15:16,087 No, you said that Travis's ex-wife had reached out to you, 372 00:15:16,088 --> 00:15:17,653 - or someone. - I have not reached out-- 373 00:15:17,654 --> 00:15:19,046 I don't even know her name. 374 00:15:19,047 --> 00:15:20,569 Someone's always reaching out to you, Tamra. 375 00:15:20,570 --> 00:15:23,398 She has never reached out to me, ever. 376 00:15:23,399 --> 00:15:26,010 So, Tamra has admitted that 377 00:15:26,011 --> 00:15:29,317 she came at you too hard this season. 378 00:15:29,318 --> 00:15:32,407 Is there anything else you wanna explain about that? 379 00:15:32,408 --> 00:15:36,281 I think for me, I was witnessing her drinking, 380 00:15:36,282 --> 00:15:39,327 and she was calling me intoxicated 381 00:15:39,328 --> 00:15:42,026 - and then going and doing-- - I need you to stop doing that, 382 00:15:42,027 --> 00:15:43,114 because I didn't. 383 00:15:43,115 --> 00:15:44,811 I know what the truth is, 384 00:15:44,812 --> 00:15:47,074 and if someone's gonna believe your lies, then I'm sorry. 385 00:15:47,075 --> 00:15:48,423 You can't just keep gaslighting 386 00:15:48,424 --> 00:15:50,077 anytime somebody brings something up. 387 00:15:50,078 --> 00:15:52,427 But why not at this point, why don't you just say you're sorry? 388 00:15:52,428 --> 00:15:54,212 - Yeah. - And that's it. And let it-- 389 00:15:54,213 --> 00:15:56,040 - Just say you're sorry. - She's talking to you. 390 00:15:56,041 --> 00:15:57,345 - No, I'm talking to you. - Oh. 391 00:15:57,346 --> 00:15:58,956 Why don't you just say you're sorry? 392 00:15:58,957 --> 00:16:01,001 She's like, "Yeah, that sounds good. Let's do that." 393 00:16:01,002 --> 00:16:02,394 Wait, sorry about what? 394 00:16:02,395 --> 00:16:04,048 Tamra says that I owe her an apology, so... 395 00:16:04,049 --> 00:16:07,921 Okay, hold on. Are you sorry for how you came at her this season? 396 00:16:07,922 --> 00:16:11,359 Yes. I was struggling with the fact that I was with you, 397 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,405 talking with you after the DUI. 398 00:16:13,406 --> 00:16:16,538 I knew that you were still drinking. I knew-- 399 00:16:16,539 --> 00:16:19,454 You can't do it. An "I'm sorry, but..." 400 00:16:19,455 --> 00:16:21,021 - So-- - An "I'm sorry, but..." 401 00:16:21,022 --> 00:16:22,805 I don't have a-- There's no "but" in there. 402 00:16:22,806 --> 00:16:26,287 There's no "but." And then you get on the show and I felt like 403 00:16:26,288 --> 00:16:28,202 you were in the same spot that you were after your DUI. 404 00:16:28,203 --> 00:16:29,551 Well, I'm sorry you felt that way. 405 00:16:29,552 --> 00:16:31,205 You were wrong. You were incorrect. 406 00:16:31,206 --> 00:16:32,815 - Okay, I was wrong then. - You were incorrect. 407 00:16:32,816 --> 00:16:34,600 I didn't think that you got the help that you needed. 408 00:16:34,601 --> 00:16:36,950 I know I got the help that I needed, 'cause I'm good. 409 00:16:36,951 --> 00:16:40,040 Okay. Well, that's all I've ever wanted for you. 410 00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:41,650 Shannon... 411 00:16:41,651 --> 00:16:45,219 Gina forgave you when you apologized, and you were harsh. 412 00:16:45,220 --> 00:16:47,134 You said really terrible things to her. 413 00:16:47,135 --> 00:16:49,180 I helped her with her DUI. 414 00:16:49,181 --> 00:16:51,834 It would've gone to Child Protective Services. 415 00:16:51,835 --> 00:16:54,011 And they were gonna arrest you in the morning. 416 00:16:54,012 --> 00:16:55,664 It is not true! 417 00:16:55,665 --> 00:16:56,839 And she forgave you 418 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,406 - when you apologized. - I understand, 419 00:16:58,407 --> 00:16:59,929 - and I appreciate that. - And it felt good. 420 00:16:59,930 --> 00:17:04,456 And I think the toxicity is gone, and that's great. 421 00:17:04,457 --> 00:17:07,328 I'm saying, can you apply the same here? 422 00:17:07,329 --> 00:17:10,810 I accept your apology. I appreciate your apology. 423 00:17:10,811 --> 00:17:12,681 I just don't wanna be your friend anymore. 424 00:17:12,682 --> 00:17:13,987 - Okay. - Okay. Fair enough. 425 00:17:13,988 --> 00:17:15,510 You guys need a break, man. 426 00:17:15,511 --> 00:17:17,077 - I just... - You need a break. 427 00:17:17,078 --> 00:17:18,166 - Yeah. - Yeah. 428 00:17:20,213 --> 00:17:21,995 Coming up... 429 00:17:21,996 --> 00:17:24,171 - I didn't call the paparazzi. - Don't put words in my mouth. 430 00:17:24,172 --> 00:17:26,782 By the way, falsely accusing people is kind of your thing. 431 00:17:26,783 --> 00:17:28,132 - I get it. - Ooh. 432 00:17:28,133 --> 00:17:30,136 Oh, my God. 433 00:17:35,097 --> 00:17:36,879 I actually pooped this morning. I was so excited. 434 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,447 You know, I went to New York before this. 435 00:17:39,448 --> 00:17:41,101 - Yeah. - So, I got all constipated, 436 00:17:41,102 --> 00:17:42,929 'cause I don't know why, but I get constipated when I travel. 437 00:17:42,930 --> 00:17:45,975 Me too. Shannon gave me this stuff called ColonMax. 438 00:17:45,976 --> 00:17:48,152 I'm sorry, you guys. We fixed the breast shelf. 439 00:17:48,153 --> 00:17:49,675 - Oh, good! - Titties look good. 440 00:17:49,676 --> 00:17:52,417 Had to get those bad boys behaving, Shannon. 441 00:17:52,418 --> 00:17:53,853 - Oh, we've got-- - Girl, get 'em up. 442 00:17:53,854 --> 00:17:56,162 I duct taped 'em down. I duct taped my breasts. 443 00:17:58,381 --> 00:17:59,641 All right. 444 00:17:59,642 --> 00:18:01,600 I was telling her about ColonMax. 445 00:18:01,601 --> 00:18:04,081 - I'm about to poop right now. - Excuse me? 446 00:18:04,082 --> 00:18:05,473 Five, four, 447 00:18:05,474 --> 00:18:07,519 - three, two... - Welcome back to 448 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,782 "The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion. 449 00:18:09,783 --> 00:18:12,306 We were just in commercial break, and I've been informed 450 00:18:12,307 --> 00:18:15,918 by Shannon Storms Beador that she's about to poop. 451 00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:18,530 Is this something we need to deal with? 452 00:18:18,531 --> 00:18:20,445 - We've dealt with that. - We need the enema. 453 00:18:20,446 --> 00:18:22,490 - Are you in peril? - I'm gonna be fine. 454 00:18:22,491 --> 00:18:24,013 And I have multiple Spanx on, 455 00:18:24,014 --> 00:18:26,320 so it's just too difficult of a maneuver right now. 456 00:18:26,321 --> 00:18:27,887 - Okay. - It'll hold it in. 457 00:18:27,888 --> 00:18:29,715 - She's harnessed. - Glad you wore white, though. 458 00:18:29,716 --> 00:18:31,412 That works out really well for you. 459 00:18:31,413 --> 00:18:33,284 Heather, can I borrow your dress? 460 00:18:33,285 --> 00:18:34,850 Okay. 461 00:18:34,851 --> 00:18:36,025 Switching now. 462 00:18:36,026 --> 00:18:37,505 Okay. 463 00:18:37,506 --> 00:18:39,507 This season, new Housewife, Katie, 464 00:18:39,508 --> 00:18:42,641 moved her blended family to the OC, 465 00:18:42,642 --> 00:18:45,078 where she was ready to take some big swings. 466 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:49,648 But she found herself stuck in a sand trap with Heather Dubrow, 467 00:18:49,649 --> 00:18:52,085 and as the season went on, bad blood between 468 00:18:52,086 --> 00:18:56,045 these two new frenemies was par for the course. Let's watch. 469 00:18:56,046 --> 00:18:58,004 - This is Katie. - Hi, nice to meet you. 470 00:18:58,005 --> 00:19:00,922 - Hi. Nice to meet you too. - She's my friend. 471 00:19:01,705 --> 00:19:05,100 Oh, my God! She showed me her butthole! 472 00:19:06,057 --> 00:19:09,711 Guess what just came in the mail? My name change. 473 00:19:09,712 --> 00:19:11,235 Oh, my God. 474 00:19:11,236 --> 00:19:13,193 When my ex-husband and I separated, 475 00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:15,891 Kaili was nine, and now there's no contact. 476 00:19:15,892 --> 00:19:18,372 Me, Kaili, and Matt are going to Korea 477 00:19:18,373 --> 00:19:19,941 to hopefully meet my birth mother. 478 00:19:20,768 --> 00:19:22,071 All I wanna do is say, like, 479 00:19:22,072 --> 00:19:24,378 I had an amazing life, and I'm fine. 480 00:19:24,379 --> 00:19:27,512 When you're adopted, your life is this puzzle, 481 00:19:27,513 --> 00:19:29,644 and the bottom right corner is missing. 482 00:19:29,645 --> 00:19:31,168 I loved my time here. 483 00:19:31,169 --> 00:19:32,908 Like, you're gonna make really great friends. 484 00:19:32,909 --> 00:19:35,041 - Yeah. - Well, that's what Gina said. 485 00:19:35,042 --> 00:19:36,564 I love Heather. 486 00:19:36,565 --> 00:19:37,870 There's been a couple things that have happened. 487 00:19:37,871 --> 00:19:40,002 Don't be the pig walking into the kitchen! 488 00:19:40,003 --> 00:19:41,265 You gon' get ate. 489 00:19:41,266 --> 00:19:42,788 There was, like, a little bit of bad press 490 00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:45,138 around Heather and Terry. I text it to my friend. 491 00:19:45,139 --> 00:19:47,227 I said, "Is this true? Did she hire photographers 492 00:19:47,228 --> 00:19:48,402 "to come take a photo of her?" 493 00:19:48,403 --> 00:19:50,796 He said yes. 494 00:19:50,797 --> 00:19:52,363 She's gonna get herself in trouble. 495 00:19:52,364 --> 00:19:53,494 Oh, this is exciting. 496 00:19:53,495 --> 00:19:54,756 On the lives of my children, 497 00:19:54,757 --> 00:19:56,368 I have never called a paparazzi. 498 00:19:57,500 --> 00:19:59,720 I have facts and a receipt. 499 00:20:00,460 --> 00:20:02,288 I can see straight through her. 500 00:20:03,637 --> 00:20:07,943 Okay. Before we get into that, Katie, 501 00:20:07,944 --> 00:20:10,772 I wanna hear about your journey attempting to reconnect with 502 00:20:10,773 --> 00:20:13,122 - your birth mother in Korea. - Yeah. 503 00:20:13,123 --> 00:20:14,689 Where are you at with that? 504 00:20:14,690 --> 00:20:16,952 So, we were supposed to go in May, 505 00:20:16,953 --> 00:20:19,651 and my father-in-law was put in the hospital. 506 00:20:19,652 --> 00:20:22,349 He eventually passed away the end of July, 507 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:24,221 - so we had to delay our trip. - Sorry. 508 00:20:24,222 --> 00:20:27,746 But it'll happen. We're supposed to go next month. 509 00:20:27,747 --> 00:20:29,443 We just kind of put things on hold. 510 00:20:29,444 --> 00:20:33,404 Katie, you and Tamra both have kids who live away from you. 511 00:20:33,405 --> 00:20:36,145 Why did your son Max ultimately decide 512 00:20:36,146 --> 00:20:39,150 to stay in Atlanta with your ex? 513 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:42,848 He said he didn't wanna leave his surroundings, 514 00:20:42,849 --> 00:20:44,415 didn't wanna leave his friends. 515 00:20:44,416 --> 00:20:47,592 And although it kills me, 516 00:20:47,593 --> 00:20:50,464 literally, that's his choice. 517 00:20:50,465 --> 00:20:52,466 - How often do you see him? - Every break. 518 00:20:52,467 --> 00:20:54,512 Like, Thanksgiving, Christmas, fall, 519 00:20:54,513 --> 00:20:56,209 spring break, summer break, he's with us. 520 00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:58,080 And I go to Atlanta once a month and see him. 521 00:20:58,081 --> 00:21:01,170 We didn't see your son, Gavin, much this season. 522 00:21:01,171 --> 00:21:02,998 Did he choose not to... 523 00:21:02,999 --> 00:21:07,176 No, my ex wouldn't sign off on him, but he turned 18 in July, 524 00:21:07,177 --> 00:21:08,874 so he actually signed his own waiver, 525 00:21:08,875 --> 00:21:10,745 and that's why you see just pictures of him now. 526 00:21:10,746 --> 00:21:13,139 - Got it. - And he was in San Diego. 527 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:15,707 He was. He was with my niece living in San Diego 'cause he 528 00:21:15,708 --> 00:21:18,623 wanted to finish the school year at his high school in San Diego. 529 00:21:18,624 --> 00:21:21,452 - So, he's still there? - No. He's full-time. 530 00:21:21,453 --> 00:21:23,280 All of us are full-time in Orange County. 531 00:21:23,281 --> 00:21:27,284 When I first met you, you reached out to me 532 00:21:27,285 --> 00:21:30,722 saying you needed my help as a real estate agent. 533 00:21:30,723 --> 00:21:32,854 - I did, yeah. - And you lied to me 534 00:21:32,855 --> 00:21:34,769 about owning your home in San Diego. 535 00:21:34,770 --> 00:21:36,902 No, I did not lie to you about owning our home. 536 00:21:36,903 --> 00:21:38,643 We did a lease to own with them. 537 00:21:38,644 --> 00:21:40,732 They wanted two years of rental income, 538 00:21:40,733 --> 00:21:42,473 so that's the situation that we had. 539 00:21:42,474 --> 00:21:43,952 I know, but she asked you directly, 540 00:21:43,953 --> 00:21:45,563 - "Do you own this home?" - That means you don't 541 00:21:45,564 --> 00:21:47,086 - own the home. - She showed me the texts, 542 00:21:47,087 --> 00:21:48,783 and you said yes, but you don't own the home. 543 00:21:48,784 --> 00:21:50,132 That's what bothers me. 544 00:21:50,133 --> 00:21:52,874 And then you make an Instagram reel about-- 545 00:21:52,875 --> 00:21:54,398 Because I went on Jeff Lewis 546 00:21:54,399 --> 00:21:55,747 and said that I thought that you moved. 547 00:21:55,748 --> 00:21:57,183 I didn't move out of Orange County. 548 00:21:57,184 --> 00:21:58,880 But you live in a different house, 549 00:21:58,881 --> 00:22:00,360 so it's not like I was wrong. 550 00:22:00,361 --> 00:22:02,362 I just heard that you said I moved to San Diego. 551 00:22:02,363 --> 00:22:03,581 I did not move to San Diego. 552 00:22:03,582 --> 00:22:05,017 But you said in an interview 553 00:22:05,018 --> 00:22:06,801 that you went back to San Diego for a while. 554 00:22:06,802 --> 00:22:08,368 For two months, because my father-in-law was dying. 555 00:22:08,369 --> 00:22:10,327 Okay, so you went back to San Diego for a couple months. 556 00:22:10,328 --> 00:22:12,111 Because his hospital was three miles from our house there. 557 00:22:12,112 --> 00:22:13,634 and then you went back to Orange County and you live in 558 00:22:13,635 --> 00:22:15,157 a different house than you used to live in 559 00:22:15,158 --> 00:22:16,898 when you were filming with, and then you get mad 560 00:22:16,899 --> 00:22:18,291 and make an Instagram when I was actually right. 561 00:22:18,292 --> 00:22:19,814 I was fine with it, actually. 562 00:22:19,815 --> 00:22:21,163 You did move, you don't live in the same house, 563 00:22:21,164 --> 00:22:22,774 and you did go to San Diego for a while. 564 00:22:22,775 --> 00:22:24,558 I did move. You are totally right about that. 565 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:26,386 I just think there's a lot of inconsistencies and things that 566 00:22:26,387 --> 00:22:29,171 don't add up with some of the stuff that you say and do, 567 00:22:29,172 --> 00:22:32,784 and that makes me feel, like, uncomfortable around you. 568 00:22:32,785 --> 00:22:35,047 And, like, I don't trust you. 569 00:22:35,048 --> 00:22:38,703 And I think that everybody here, including-- 570 00:22:38,704 --> 00:22:40,618 You have questioned that as well. 571 00:22:40,619 --> 00:22:42,097 There is a lot of stories. 572 00:22:42,098 --> 00:22:44,752 You just have to ask her, because she does. 573 00:22:44,753 --> 00:22:46,754 She has a story and an explanation. 574 00:22:46,755 --> 00:22:49,409 But do you believe all of them? 575 00:22:49,410 --> 00:22:51,759 Do I have a reason not to? 576 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,761 If I look you up, there's not a hundred stories online. 577 00:22:53,762 --> 00:22:55,676 - There's nothing. - Me neither. 578 00:22:55,677 --> 00:22:57,374 - Except Terry cheats on me. - Oh, yeah. 579 00:22:57,375 --> 00:23:00,594 Katie, you have been in the news recently regarding 580 00:23:00,595 --> 00:23:02,727 a five million dollar lawsuit 581 00:23:02,728 --> 00:23:05,077 - over your company Tee Shots... - Yeah. 582 00:23:05,078 --> 00:23:07,035 ...claiming it wasn't your original idea. 583 00:23:07,036 --> 00:23:09,429 What can you clear up about that? 584 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:11,431 Yeah, I was actually just dismissed from that case. 585 00:23:11,432 --> 00:23:14,391 It was my business partner and her husband's friend. 586 00:23:14,392 --> 00:23:17,089 I've never met this man. I don't know who he is. 587 00:23:17,090 --> 00:23:19,091 He claims to have had a conversation with 588 00:23:19,092 --> 00:23:20,832 my business partner's husband on the golf course, 589 00:23:20,833 --> 00:23:22,442 and he said he thought up this idea. 590 00:23:22,443 --> 00:23:25,532 So, it's gonna be all white, but if you open it, 591 00:23:25,533 --> 00:23:27,447 essentially the shots live in here, 592 00:23:27,448 --> 00:23:28,796 and then you would take the shot. 593 00:23:28,797 --> 00:23:30,058 So, that's where Tee Shots comes from. 594 00:23:30,059 --> 00:23:32,104 There's just a lot of hinky stories. 595 00:23:32,105 --> 00:23:34,454 I mean, Sutton texted me last week 596 00:23:34,455 --> 00:23:36,238 and said to me, "She used me." 597 00:23:36,239 --> 00:23:37,588 I used her? 598 00:23:37,589 --> 00:23:39,328 "She came to my house in Augusta 599 00:23:39,329 --> 00:23:41,418 "and said she was gonna bring all these high-level golfers. 600 00:23:41,419 --> 00:23:44,595 "No one showed up. She didn't pay the photographer. 601 00:23:44,596 --> 00:23:46,988 "She just used me to promote her business." 602 00:23:46,989 --> 00:23:49,469 I offered to pay for all of it, even the catering. 603 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:51,166 I'm just telling you what Sutton said. 604 00:23:51,167 --> 00:23:53,995 - Okay. - Katie, Nora in San Antonio 605 00:23:53,996 --> 00:23:56,345 wants to know the story behind getting snubbed by Heather 606 00:23:56,346 --> 00:23:58,522 - at Sutton's Christmas party. - Well, this is good 607 00:23:58,523 --> 00:24:00,045 'cause there's three different stories. 608 00:24:00,046 --> 00:24:01,916 The first story was that I saw you in the driveway, 609 00:24:01,917 --> 00:24:03,788 and I looked at you, and then I looked at your husband. 610 00:24:03,789 --> 00:24:05,311 You never saw me in the driveway, you saw me 611 00:24:05,312 --> 00:24:07,750 - in front of the bar. - My turn to speak. 612 00:24:08,229 --> 00:24:09,446 And then you looked away, 613 00:24:09,447 --> 00:24:11,056 and then I looked away, and I snubbed you. 614 00:24:11,057 --> 00:24:12,971 The second story was that I was at the bar. 615 00:24:12,972 --> 00:24:15,321 - That is the story. - And I was with 616 00:24:15,322 --> 00:24:17,236 Denise Richards and Camille. 617 00:24:17,237 --> 00:24:19,760 But I never even saw Camille at that party. 618 00:24:19,761 --> 00:24:21,849 That was story two. And then story three. 619 00:24:21,850 --> 00:24:23,372 She was standing right next to you. 620 00:24:23,373 --> 00:24:26,375 I'm still speaking. And story three was that we were 621 00:24:26,376 --> 00:24:30,075 in a group of people and your name was said, and I heard it. 622 00:24:30,076 --> 00:24:31,642 No, that was about Sutton's recent party. 623 00:24:31,643 --> 00:24:33,121 I'm still not done. 624 00:24:33,122 --> 00:24:36,473 And I heard your name, and I didn't respond, 625 00:24:36,474 --> 00:24:38,518 and everyone standing there thought it was weird. 626 00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:39,954 Let me just tell you something. 627 00:24:39,955 --> 00:24:41,390 - Oh, my God. - When someone's coming into 628 00:24:41,391 --> 00:24:44,393 this group, we all want to have friends. 629 00:24:44,394 --> 00:24:47,701 Only a moron would do that, and I am not a moron. 630 00:24:47,702 --> 00:24:49,747 - Right. - And I don't know how 631 00:24:49,748 --> 00:24:51,009 - devolved into these... - Oh, yeah. 632 00:24:51,010 --> 00:24:52,445 ...three separate stories. 633 00:24:52,446 --> 00:24:53,881 But I promise you, 634 00:24:53,882 --> 00:24:57,232 had I known who you were, I would've said hi. 635 00:24:57,233 --> 00:25:00,540 It would have been in her best interest to say hello. 636 00:25:00,541 --> 00:25:02,499 Katie, Victoria from L.A. said, 637 00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:06,198 "No one person runs all the paparazzi in L.A. 638 00:25:06,199 --> 00:25:08,069 "Is it possible your friend meant, 639 00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:09,897 'Yes, it looked like paparazzi,' 640 00:25:09,898 --> 00:25:13,422 "versus having proof that Heather hired a photographer?" 641 00:25:13,423 --> 00:25:15,512 No, we had a phone conversation after that text. 642 00:25:15,513 --> 00:25:17,426 He called me and he said, "Why do you wanna know this?" 643 00:25:17,427 --> 00:25:19,733 And I said I saw it on my TikTok feed. 644 00:25:19,734 --> 00:25:21,866 It was funny. By the way, this person-- 645 00:25:21,867 --> 00:25:24,129 And who is this person? Without, I mean-- 646 00:25:24,130 --> 00:25:26,392 But see, I don't think you saw it on your TikTok feed. 647 00:25:26,393 --> 00:25:27,959 - No, you didn't. - Because you told Gina-- 648 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,656 The TikTok was two years ago. 649 00:25:29,657 --> 00:25:31,092 You told Gina something totally different on a phone call. 650 00:25:31,093 --> 00:25:32,746 No, it came across my For You page. 651 00:25:32,747 --> 00:25:34,269 I screenshot the TikTok and sent it to him. 652 00:25:34,270 --> 00:25:36,054 And that's what you see in our text thread. 653 00:25:36,055 --> 00:25:37,490 It just came on my For You page. 654 00:25:37,491 --> 00:25:39,448 Yeah, but the reason that you were asking about it 655 00:25:39,449 --> 00:25:42,451 in the first place wasn't because it was on a TikTok feed. 656 00:25:42,452 --> 00:25:45,150 What was your conversation with your source? 657 00:25:45,151 --> 00:25:47,239 He had said that it wasn't Heather, 658 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,936 that it was somebody close to her. 659 00:25:48,937 --> 00:25:50,547 I wanna be clear. 660 00:25:50,548 --> 00:25:52,810 I didn't call the paparazzi. 661 00:25:52,811 --> 00:25:55,377 I didn't pass a note in biology to someone. 662 00:25:55,378 --> 00:25:57,554 - I didn't wink at anybody. - Got it. 663 00:25:57,555 --> 00:26:01,558 Nobody notified the paparazzi. 664 00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:04,473 Let it go. I don't know why you were trying to 665 00:26:04,474 --> 00:26:07,389 look into things about me months before you met me. 666 00:26:07,390 --> 00:26:10,436 I don't care what you saw "on TikTok." 667 00:26:10,437 --> 00:26:12,612 It is weird. 668 00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:16,355 I was very interested in meeting you. Nothing about you adds up. 669 00:26:16,356 --> 00:26:19,097 I think there's a story for everything, and I don't-- 670 00:26:19,098 --> 00:26:21,666 I think you have absolutely no credibility. 671 00:26:29,544 --> 00:26:31,370 I don't know why you were trying to 672 00:26:31,371 --> 00:26:32,501 look into things about me 673 00:26:32,502 --> 00:26:34,112 months before you met me. 674 00:26:34,113 --> 00:26:36,462 I think there's a story for everything, and I don't-- 675 00:26:36,463 --> 00:26:39,378 I think you have absolutely no credibility. 676 00:26:39,379 --> 00:26:40,727 Okay. 677 00:26:40,728 --> 00:26:43,469 I wanna apologize to you for saying that I think 678 00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:45,863 it was a setup, because Tamra and I had that conversation. 679 00:26:45,864 --> 00:26:47,212 Gina knew it would not be funny. 680 00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:49,649 You got set up. You got set up. 681 00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:50,913 You really believe that? 682 00:26:51,522 --> 00:26:54,045 And me being very new, her saying that to me, 683 00:26:54,046 --> 00:26:55,655 I was like, "Do you really think that? 684 00:26:55,656 --> 00:26:57,570 "Like, is that-- do you think that's possible?" 685 00:26:57,571 --> 00:26:59,746 Well, it was because of all the things you were telling me. 686 00:26:59,747 --> 00:27:02,183 Right. Well, it was just the whole situation in general. 687 00:27:02,184 --> 00:27:03,968 That she thought that Gina told you to bring it up, 688 00:27:03,969 --> 00:27:05,145 that it would be funny. 689 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:08,276 And we talked about it, and I said, "I really wanna 690 00:27:08,277 --> 00:27:10,931 "tell Heather, woman to woman, this is what I wanna tell her." 691 00:27:10,932 --> 00:27:12,498 I didn't want it to be this whole group thing. 692 00:27:12,499 --> 00:27:14,282 But you told the whole group first. 693 00:27:14,283 --> 00:27:16,633 And I said at the bar, "Why did you tell everybody?" 694 00:27:16,634 --> 00:27:18,504 You know, I just feel like I was-- 695 00:27:18,505 --> 00:27:19,679 Well, it was on purpose. 696 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,029 Well, it was too far gone by then. 697 00:27:22,030 --> 00:27:23,640 But by the way, how about this? 698 00:27:23,641 --> 00:27:26,557 Bah-bah-bah-bah-bah-bah-bah. Why do you care? 699 00:27:27,167 --> 00:27:29,863 - Why do you care? - You know, I honestly, Heather, 700 00:27:29,864 --> 00:27:31,299 didn't think this would be so rattling. 701 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:32,910 No, no, you did. You wanted it to. 702 00:27:32,911 --> 00:27:34,433 - No, I didn't. - This is your thing. 703 00:27:34,434 --> 00:27:36,130 - By the way... - Don't put words in my mouth. 704 00:27:36,131 --> 00:27:37,610 falsely accusing people is kind of your thing. 705 00:27:37,611 --> 00:27:39,612 - I get it. - Ooh. 706 00:27:39,613 --> 00:27:41,005 Oh, my God. 707 00:27:41,006 --> 00:27:42,791 What else has there been falsely accused? 708 00:27:43,487 --> 00:27:47,098 She falsely accused someone and he ended up going to prison. 709 00:27:47,099 --> 00:27:48,926 He didn't go to prison. Can I just tell the story? 710 00:27:48,927 --> 00:27:50,623 - He went to jail. - I don't know if 711 00:27:50,624 --> 00:27:52,538 - you wanna tell the story. - I do wanna tell the story. 712 00:27:52,539 --> 00:27:54,235 I don't know if we believe you telling the story. 713 00:27:54,236 --> 00:27:56,237 - We read the story. - I would love to hear it. 714 00:27:56,238 --> 00:27:59,110 The kids and I were driving in Marietta, Georgia, 715 00:27:59,111 --> 00:28:01,808 - on a four-lane road. - When was this? 716 00:28:01,809 --> 00:28:03,157 Like, nine, ten years ago. 717 00:28:03,158 --> 00:28:04,724 - Okay. - Okay? 718 00:28:04,725 --> 00:28:06,726 A man was swerving into our lane with his window down, 719 00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:09,642 yelling, "[bleep] you, bitch," at me. I was like, "Holy cow." 720 00:28:09,643 --> 00:28:11,862 So I had three kids in the back of my car. They were little. 721 00:28:11,863 --> 00:28:15,300 I pulled off on a side road to, like, let him pass me. 722 00:28:15,301 --> 00:28:17,302 He, like, went right in front of my car 723 00:28:17,303 --> 00:28:19,957 and started screaming at me. I called the police. 724 00:28:19,958 --> 00:28:21,567 The police said, "Can you leave?" 725 00:28:21,568 --> 00:28:23,787 I put my car in reverse, he ran to the back of my car, 726 00:28:23,788 --> 00:28:26,485 he started filming inside of my car, my children. 727 00:28:26,486 --> 00:28:28,661 My children are screaming, crying. 728 00:28:28,662 --> 00:28:31,577 My kids remember that day. It was terrifying. 729 00:28:31,578 --> 00:28:32,796 He's filming us. 730 00:28:32,797 --> 00:28:33,884 That's not the story the police tell. 731 00:28:33,885 --> 00:28:35,363 - Okay, go on. - Right. 732 00:28:35,364 --> 00:28:37,496 - They tell a one-sided story. - The police? 733 00:28:37,497 --> 00:28:39,672 Hold on. I wanna hear the rest of your story. 734 00:28:39,673 --> 00:28:42,631 Okay. So then I'm like, "He won't let me leave." 735 00:28:42,632 --> 00:28:44,808 He runs in front of my car when I try to leave. 736 00:28:44,809 --> 00:28:47,506 The police come in and they're like, "Calm down, calm down." 737 00:28:47,507 --> 00:28:49,334 They're like, "If you don't calm down, we'll tase you." 738 00:28:49,335 --> 00:28:52,598 And-- Yeah. He's like, "F you, F you" to the police. 739 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:55,166 They tase him and he goes to jail. 740 00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:57,385 I had nothing to do with him going to jail. 741 00:28:57,386 --> 00:28:59,213 Well, that's not how the police tell the story. 742 00:28:59,214 --> 00:29:01,563 The police tell the story that you followed the guy home. 743 00:29:01,564 --> 00:29:03,783 I would never follow anyone home. 744 00:29:03,784 --> 00:29:05,221 So, the police are lying. 745 00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:07,352 How do you know what the police said about it? 746 00:29:07,353 --> 00:29:09,397 'Cause they have statements in that article. 747 00:29:09,398 --> 00:29:12,531 - Yes, from him and them. - From the police. 748 00:29:12,532 --> 00:29:14,751 If you read the police report, the statement I gave 749 00:29:14,752 --> 00:29:17,188 to Cobb County Police, it's a lot different. 750 00:29:17,189 --> 00:29:19,494 - It's a lot different. - She was driving her car 751 00:29:19,495 --> 00:29:21,540 and she was texting with children in the car, 752 00:29:21,541 --> 00:29:24,543 and this guy saw her, and he was triggered because 753 00:29:24,544 --> 00:29:27,938 a family member had been killed from a driving, texting person, 754 00:29:27,939 --> 00:29:29,635 and he told her to stop, 755 00:29:29,636 --> 00:29:32,943 and that she was outraged, followed him home-- 756 00:29:32,944 --> 00:29:35,336 I don't know where he lives. Why would I follow someone home 757 00:29:35,337 --> 00:29:36,816 with my three young kids in the back? 758 00:29:36,817 --> 00:29:38,252 How would we know? 759 00:29:38,253 --> 00:29:40,777 She pulled behind him in his driveway, came out. 760 00:29:40,778 --> 00:29:43,605 She was yelling at him. He filmed her because he thought 761 00:29:43,606 --> 00:29:46,260 she was getting crazy, and she called the police. 762 00:29:46,261 --> 00:29:47,958 The police come, they pulled her aside. 763 00:29:47,959 --> 00:29:49,655 She said, "He won't let me leave." 764 00:29:49,656 --> 00:29:52,049 They threw him to the ground, he got injured, 765 00:29:52,050 --> 00:29:54,703 - Yeah. - And then they took him to jail 766 00:29:54,704 --> 00:29:56,444 in front of his neighbors, got him to jail... 767 00:29:56,445 --> 00:29:58,272 I don't remember there being any neighbors out. 768 00:29:58,273 --> 00:29:59,839 ...and realized that Katie was the aggressor, not him, 769 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,058 and he was released. 770 00:30:01,059 --> 00:30:02,755 'Cause I couldn't even tell my side. 771 00:30:02,756 --> 00:30:05,323 I didn't even go to court 'cause they served my ex-husband. 772 00:30:05,324 --> 00:30:07,716 Why did they serve your ex-husband? Was he in the car? 773 00:30:07,717 --> 00:30:10,284 No, they went to his house, 'cause that was my address 774 00:30:10,285 --> 00:30:12,417 at the time on my license or whatever. 775 00:30:12,418 --> 00:30:13,984 My lawyer said, "Did you know you had this date?" 776 00:30:13,985 --> 00:30:17,335 And I said, "No, what is it?" So, I didn't show up. 777 00:30:17,336 --> 00:30:19,685 So, I'm immediately guilty 'cause I never showed up. 778 00:30:19,686 --> 00:30:23,428 At the time, I was literally homeless with three kids. 779 00:30:23,429 --> 00:30:25,778 Like, we had nowhere to go. 780 00:30:25,779 --> 00:30:27,998 So, they served my ex-husband. 781 00:30:27,999 --> 00:30:29,436 So I didn't even know about it. 782 00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:33,046 They left it 'cause that was my address on my license. 783 00:30:33,047 --> 00:30:34,354 They left it. 784 00:30:35,311 --> 00:30:36,658 That was horrifying. 785 00:30:36,659 --> 00:30:38,312 Kaili and Gavin still remember it. 786 00:30:38,313 --> 00:30:39,966 They're terrified of that. 787 00:30:39,967 --> 00:30:42,229 But do you see-- I feel like it's a pattern with you that 788 00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:43,752 every time you get called out on something, 789 00:30:43,753 --> 00:30:46,103 there's just an excuse for everything. 790 00:30:46,104 --> 00:30:48,105 There's a story that's always different 791 00:30:48,106 --> 00:30:50,063 than someone else's story. 792 00:30:50,064 --> 00:30:51,891 Just a lot of investigation here. 793 00:30:51,892 --> 00:30:53,588 Like, I knew nothing about this. 794 00:30:53,589 --> 00:30:55,416 - It's all over the internet. - It's not an investigation. 795 00:30:55,417 --> 00:30:57,854 - No one's investigating. - I don't look that often. 796 00:30:57,855 --> 00:31:01,292 It's everywhere. I don't do that. 797 00:31:01,293 --> 00:31:03,337 You started the day by saying, 798 00:31:03,338 --> 00:31:05,165 "I don't wanna be in an environment 799 00:31:05,166 --> 00:31:07,385 "where people dig stuff up on other people." 800 00:31:07,386 --> 00:31:10,170 Digging things up on people, it's enough. 801 00:31:10,171 --> 00:31:11,998 You're bringing up a lot of stuff. 802 00:31:11,999 --> 00:31:15,567 I think she thinks that if it's in the public domain, 803 00:31:15,568 --> 00:31:17,743 where you're just flipping through Instagram 804 00:31:17,744 --> 00:31:19,484 - and there's an article. - What I'm saying is, 805 00:31:19,485 --> 00:31:21,138 I'm not calling any attorney. 806 00:31:21,139 --> 00:31:24,968 I'm not hiring a sub rosa. I'm not calling for paparazzi. 807 00:31:24,969 --> 00:31:28,493 It's in the bloggers. It's out. It's everywhere. 808 00:31:28,494 --> 00:31:29,798 It is out. Yeah. It is out. 809 00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:31,365 You don't have to dig for anything. 810 00:31:31,366 --> 00:31:33,367 Okay, well, any other questions for her? 811 00:31:33,368 --> 00:31:35,500 I just have a question about-- 812 00:31:35,501 --> 00:31:38,633 I saw an article and I read it, 813 00:31:38,634 --> 00:31:40,679 and it was about when you were first divorced, 814 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,334 you didn't have physical or legal custody of your children. 815 00:31:43,335 --> 00:31:46,163 I don't understand how something like that happens, 816 00:31:46,164 --> 00:31:48,339 because here in California, for you to lose 817 00:31:48,340 --> 00:31:51,124 both physical and legal, you have to be unfit, 818 00:31:51,125 --> 00:31:52,560 or you sign papers and say, 819 00:31:52,561 --> 00:31:54,171 "I don't want anything to do with my kids." 820 00:31:54,172 --> 00:31:56,608 - What happened? - I was living in-- 821 00:31:56,609 --> 00:31:59,089 I can't say the name-- In a facility in Atlanta. 822 00:31:59,090 --> 00:32:01,830 My parents, who lived 20 minutes from me, wouldn't help me, 823 00:32:01,831 --> 00:32:05,356 'cause they wouldn't agree that I was divorcing my ex-husband. 824 00:32:05,357 --> 00:32:07,532 So, he was immediately awarded the kids because 825 00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:09,708 I could not provide a place for them to live. 826 00:32:09,709 --> 00:32:11,449 Why was it legal custody as well? 827 00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:13,233 That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. 828 00:32:13,234 --> 00:32:14,800 I don't know. 829 00:32:14,801 --> 00:32:17,716 Legal custody is just decision-making power. 830 00:32:17,717 --> 00:32:20,849 So, it has to do with the health and wellness of the kids. 831 00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:22,982 At the time, I thought, "You know what? 832 00:32:22,983 --> 00:32:24,897 "Right now, this is okay." 833 00:32:24,898 --> 00:32:27,204 I was trying to get my life together to figure out 834 00:32:27,205 --> 00:32:30,120 - how I could get them back. - How did you get custody back? 835 00:32:30,121 --> 00:32:32,383 We went to court a few times to fight it. 836 00:32:32,384 --> 00:32:35,429 And you wound up building a life for yourself 837 00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:37,040 - and getting custody back? - Yeah. 838 00:32:37,041 --> 00:32:38,389 Wow. 839 00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:39,868 How long were they in his custody? 840 00:32:39,869 --> 00:32:42,654 Um, it was 18 months until we could go back. 841 00:32:42,655 --> 00:32:44,351 But were you still co-parenting 842 00:32:44,352 --> 00:32:45,657 and doing your thing with the kids? 843 00:32:45,658 --> 00:32:47,137 Yep. I never missed a time, either. 844 00:32:47,138 --> 00:32:48,877 I never missed a time with my kids. 845 00:32:48,878 --> 00:32:52,274 That was a horrible, horrible time. 846 00:32:55,277 --> 00:32:57,627 All right, we are gonna leave it there. 847 00:33:02,893 --> 00:33:04,460 - Katie? - Yeah. 848 00:33:17,821 --> 00:33:19,517 Coming up... 849 00:33:19,518 --> 00:33:22,911 Ryan's providing information so that they can prosecute Matt. 850 00:33:22,912 --> 00:33:24,087 That's his best friend! 851 00:33:24,088 --> 00:33:25,479 But that's how you get immunity. 852 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,915 I don't know where everybody gets that. 853 00:33:26,916 --> 00:33:29,137 Because I'm an attorney, and that's how it works. 854 00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:33,531 Gina, you look----ing gorgeous. 855 00:33:33,532 --> 00:33:37,100 How you keep your vagina inside your skirt, I don't... 856 00:33:37,101 --> 00:33:38,492 I mean, I don't, really. 857 00:33:38,493 --> 00:33:40,973 No, it's just kind of whatever it is. 858 00:33:40,974 --> 00:33:42,368 Oh, my God. 859 00:33:44,631 --> 00:33:46,326 - Oh, my God. - How old is Lucy now? 860 00:33:46,327 --> 00:33:47,893 She's two and a half. 861 00:33:47,894 --> 00:33:49,503 Okay, here we go. 862 00:33:49,504 --> 00:33:51,725 Five, four, three, two... 863 00:33:52,856 --> 00:33:54,552 Welcome back to 864 00:33:54,553 --> 00:33:56,336 "The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion. 865 00:33:56,337 --> 00:33:59,861 This year, as Jenn was betting it all on her future with Ryan, 866 00:33:59,862 --> 00:34:02,603 Tamra was dealing out accusations 867 00:34:02,604 --> 00:34:04,518 about Jenn's future husband. 868 00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,564 And when Ryan found himself in the center 869 00:34:06,565 --> 00:34:09,784 of an international scandal, we learned that Tamra 870 00:34:09,785 --> 00:34:13,527 wasn't the only one looking into his background. Take a look. 871 00:34:13,528 --> 00:34:15,442 My man asked me to marry him. 872 00:34:15,443 --> 00:34:17,531 Yes, yes, yes. 873 00:34:17,532 --> 00:34:20,926 I am so happy where you and I are. 874 00:34:20,927 --> 00:34:23,059 Oh! Oh, my God! 875 00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:24,147 Oh, God! 876 00:34:24,148 --> 00:34:25,974 She's a kind, loving woman, 877 00:34:25,975 --> 00:34:28,936 but I want nothing to do with the guy. 878 00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:32,372 Oh, my God, Jenn! 879 00:34:32,373 --> 00:34:34,766 I have happiness that I've never had. 880 00:34:34,767 --> 00:34:37,638 I have sat in the same place that Jenn is at. 881 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:39,640 You always have to have a plan B. 882 00:34:39,641 --> 00:34:41,555 What does Ryan do for a living? Like, what does he do? 883 00:34:41,556 --> 00:34:42,948 Well, nothing now. 884 00:34:42,949 --> 00:34:45,081 - How's the FBI going for you? - Stop. 885 00:34:45,082 --> 00:34:46,691 FBI? 886 00:34:46,692 --> 00:34:49,737 I do know that Ryan and this guy that has been investigated 887 00:34:49,738 --> 00:34:52,218 by the FBI go to Vegas a lot. 888 00:34:52,219 --> 00:34:54,394 She knows he's a piece of sh--. 889 00:34:54,395 --> 00:34:57,397 You did a----ing background check on Ryan! 890 00:34:57,398 --> 00:34:58,790 you! 891 00:34:58,791 --> 00:35:00,357 Have you talked about him being a bookie? 892 00:35:00,358 --> 00:35:01,662 Have you talked about a Ponzi scheme? 893 00:35:01,663 --> 00:35:03,142 You better----ing shut your mouth. 894 00:35:03,143 --> 00:35:05,973 Oh, okay, why? Is he gonna put a hit on me? 895 00:35:06,887 --> 00:35:08,408 What the [bleep]? 896 00:35:08,409 --> 00:35:10,106 This is huge. 897 00:35:10,107 --> 00:35:11,585 This is the biggest scandal out there. 898 00:35:11,586 --> 00:35:13,326 It's gonna be a bloodbath for me. 899 00:35:13,327 --> 00:35:15,937 His friend Matt, like, I knew was a professional gambler. 900 00:35:15,938 --> 00:35:17,593 He was at the party. 901 00:35:22,207 --> 00:35:24,772 Oh, okay. 902 00:35:24,773 --> 00:35:27,037 I'm not a part of his bookie business. 903 00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:30,735 He didn't know where it came from? 904 00:35:30,736 --> 00:35:32,215 I was right about Brooks. 905 00:35:32,216 --> 00:35:34,173 I'm right about Ryan. 906 00:35:34,174 --> 00:35:35,481 He could go to prison. 907 00:35:40,399 --> 00:35:42,007 All right. 908 00:35:42,008 --> 00:35:45,967 When this news broke that there was this gambling scandal 909 00:35:45,968 --> 00:35:48,622 and that he was involved, 910 00:35:48,623 --> 00:35:52,278 did you consider breaking off your engagement? 911 00:35:52,279 --> 00:35:55,020 No, I just-- That day was hard, 912 00:35:55,021 --> 00:35:57,762 and I felt like Ryan went one way and I went another way, 913 00:35:57,763 --> 00:35:59,329 and our phones were blowing up. 914 00:35:59,330 --> 00:36:02,375 Did Ryan say, "I'm cooperating with the authorities, 915 00:36:02,376 --> 00:36:03,942 "I have immunity, don't worry?" 916 00:36:03,943 --> 00:36:05,770 This was so long ago. I had already known all that. 917 00:36:05,771 --> 00:36:08,903 This had happened almost seven months prior to that. 918 00:36:08,904 --> 00:36:11,819 He had already been working with the authorities? 919 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:13,604 Yeah, he had those two Zoom calls. 920 00:36:13,605 --> 00:36:15,214 Then why were you surprised when I mentioned the FBI? 921 00:36:15,215 --> 00:36:17,260 Yeah, but then when I was asking Ryan that night-- 922 00:36:17,261 --> 00:36:19,087 Because you mentioned the FBI 923 00:36:19,088 --> 00:36:21,655 as if Ryan is in trouble with the feds. 924 00:36:21,656 --> 00:36:23,135 "Ask him how the feds are going." 925 00:36:23,136 --> 00:36:25,703 Ryan and his attorney reached out to the feds. 926 00:36:25,704 --> 00:36:27,313 The feds never reached out to Ryan. 927 00:36:27,314 --> 00:36:28,836 The feds never came to Ryan's home. 928 00:36:28,837 --> 00:36:30,708 Well, they might have had he not cooperated. 929 00:36:30,709 --> 00:36:32,362 - I don't know. - But in that moment, remember, 930 00:36:32,363 --> 00:36:35,321 he was like, "I don't know, maybe she's talking about Matt." 931 00:36:35,322 --> 00:36:37,541 - As if he had no idea. - I mean, he knew, he knew. 932 00:36:37,542 --> 00:36:41,675 As a person of experience, when you're involved in a lawsuit 933 00:36:41,676 --> 00:36:44,896 and you're on a reality show and it's ongoing, 934 00:36:44,897 --> 00:36:46,680 you're not gonna sit there and say, 935 00:36:46,681 --> 00:36:48,639 "Oh, well, da-da-da-da-da." 936 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,510 Okay, I wanna back up for a minute. 937 00:36:50,511 --> 00:36:52,077 Jenn, what did you mean when you said 938 00:36:52,078 --> 00:36:53,948 you "literally - ed it all up?" 939 00:36:53,949 --> 00:36:56,037 I knew this article was coming. 940 00:36:56,038 --> 00:36:59,693 We were told it was like, "We wanna mention Ryan's name." 941 00:36:59,694 --> 00:37:01,434 Ryan's attorney said, "Then I want it known that 942 00:37:01,435 --> 00:37:03,219 "I'm not a bookie and I have no part 943 00:37:03,220 --> 00:37:05,525 "in this Shohei Ohtani situation." 944 00:37:05,526 --> 00:37:09,529 And then so when it came out, I felt like this is on me, 945 00:37:09,530 --> 00:37:11,836 because if I wasn't sitting on this couch, 946 00:37:11,837 --> 00:37:13,620 he wouldn't have been mentioned. 947 00:37:13,621 --> 00:37:16,232 It would have been about Matt and Matt's business. 948 00:37:16,233 --> 00:37:18,277 But Ryan was involved, and that's the reason why 949 00:37:18,278 --> 00:37:20,105 they were writing about it, and that's why he was mentioned. 950 00:37:20,106 --> 00:37:22,803 I feel badly that you think the reason that 951 00:37:22,804 --> 00:37:25,545 he's being implicated is because something you did, 952 00:37:25,546 --> 00:37:27,199 and that's not true. 953 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,984 But he is not involved in Matt's bookie business at all. 954 00:37:29,985 --> 00:37:31,812 - Never has been. - But that's not true, though. 955 00:37:31,813 --> 00:37:35,076 - But it is true. - But you can say it's true, 956 00:37:35,077 --> 00:37:37,209 but I'm telling you, everything I've read-- 957 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:40,734 and I've done as much research as possible to understand it, 958 00:37:40,735 --> 00:37:43,824 he is involved, and in order for him to have immunity, 959 00:37:43,825 --> 00:37:45,870 that means that he testifies. 960 00:37:45,871 --> 00:37:47,828 There was never a test-- he never testified. 961 00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:49,395 How did he get immunity, then? 962 00:37:49,396 --> 00:37:53,443 I would think that he's providing information about Matt 963 00:37:53,444 --> 00:37:55,183 so that they can prosecute Matt. 964 00:37:55,184 --> 00:37:57,273 - But that's his best friend. - You said he said 965 00:37:57,274 --> 00:37:58,970 - everything he knew about him. - Oh, my God. 966 00:37:58,971 --> 00:38:00,537 But that's how you get immunity. 967 00:38:00,538 --> 00:38:02,016 I don't know where everybody gets that. 968 00:38:02,017 --> 00:38:04,280 Because I'm an attorney and that's how it works. 969 00:38:04,281 --> 00:38:07,631 When you get immunity, it's because you're exchanging. 970 00:38:07,632 --> 00:38:09,415 - Right. - It's an exchange. 971 00:38:09,416 --> 00:38:10,764 I think you have to volunteer. 972 00:38:10,765 --> 00:38:12,200 I think he had to volunteer the account. 973 00:38:12,201 --> 00:38:13,332 - No, no. Immunity is-- - It's an exchange 974 00:38:13,333 --> 00:38:14,681 of information. 975 00:38:14,682 --> 00:38:16,379 Yes! Here's the account, have at it. 976 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:19,773 Here's the computer. Here's the account. Here's the phone. 977 00:38:19,774 --> 00:38:21,340 That's all I'm saying. 978 00:38:21,341 --> 00:38:23,126 He submitted whatever he needed to submit to them. 979 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,824 Can you explain what the dirty business was? 980 00:38:26,825 --> 00:38:28,565 I don't know what dirty-- Where's the dirty business? 981 00:38:28,566 --> 00:38:30,524 - I can explain. - Yes, please. 982 00:38:38,141 --> 00:38:39,924 I don't know what dirty-- Where's the dirty business? 983 00:38:39,925 --> 00:38:41,491 - I can explain. - Yes, please. 984 00:38:41,492 --> 00:38:45,190 Okay, so Ohtani's interpreter has a gambling addiction. 985 00:38:45,191 --> 00:38:47,148 He makes all these bets with Matt. 986 00:38:47,149 --> 00:38:49,412 - Matt is an illegal bookie. - Yes. 987 00:38:49,413 --> 00:38:51,631 So, he racked up a ton of debt. 988 00:38:51,632 --> 00:38:53,720 So then, in order to pay his debts, 989 00:38:53,721 --> 00:38:56,288 he stole money out of Ohtani's account. 990 00:38:56,289 --> 00:38:58,638 That money went into Ryan's account. 991 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,511 It was between 15, 16, 17 million. 992 00:39:01,512 --> 00:39:03,208 It was in Ryan's name. 993 00:39:03,209 --> 00:39:07,125 Ryan moved the money into marker accounts and casinos, 994 00:39:07,126 --> 00:39:10,433 specifically Resorts World and Pechanga. 995 00:39:10,434 --> 00:39:12,522 And then he cashed that money in 996 00:39:12,523 --> 00:39:15,002 for chips and that they gambled 997 00:39:15,003 --> 00:39:19,224 and that Ryan and Matt took 32 trips to Vegas 998 00:39:19,225 --> 00:39:20,399 between '02 and '03. 999 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,314 I've read 32. I've read 40 some. 1000 00:39:22,315 --> 00:39:25,186 - I've read 16 million. - So, the point is-- 1001 00:39:25,187 --> 00:39:27,058 The reason Matt used that bank account was because 1002 00:39:27,059 --> 00:39:28,755 he could only bank through a B of A. 1003 00:39:28,756 --> 00:39:30,366 He did not have a B of A account, 1004 00:39:30,367 --> 00:39:31,715 so he used that account. 1005 00:39:31,716 --> 00:39:33,543 When he had no idea it was gonna blow up 1006 00:39:33,544 --> 00:39:35,632 and be an E-Pay interpreter, whose money is this? 1007 00:39:35,633 --> 00:39:38,069 - So then-- I wanna finish. - I just-- 1008 00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:40,419 Every dollar was accounted for by Matt. 1009 00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,161 Ryan's name was on the account. That was the mistake. 1010 00:39:43,162 --> 00:39:47,557 But I get alert on my phone if I get $10,000 deposited. 1011 00:39:47,558 --> 00:39:50,255 Can I tell you why I worry for Jenn sometimes? 1012 00:39:50,256 --> 00:39:52,736 Because Ryan was aware that his friend 1013 00:39:52,737 --> 00:39:54,390 had an illegal gambling business. 1014 00:39:54,391 --> 00:39:56,783 Part of that, his friend's thing, 1015 00:39:56,784 --> 00:39:58,394 was that he was sending these planes 1016 00:39:58,395 --> 00:40:00,961 and getting these rooms and da-da-da-da-da. 1017 00:40:00,962 --> 00:40:02,789 No, that's not how it goes, guys, and I'm sorry. 1018 00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:04,095 That's not how it goes. 1019 00:40:04,096 --> 00:40:05,618 So, why was he getting all these-- 1020 00:40:05,619 --> 00:40:07,185 Because he was doing big bets, right? 1021 00:40:07,186 --> 00:40:09,100 Because his bookie business made him a lot of money. 1022 00:40:09,101 --> 00:40:11,407 Then why did he go to Vegas 32 times between '02 and '03? 1023 00:40:11,408 --> 00:40:13,104 Matt went to Vegas all the time. All the time. 1024 00:40:13,105 --> 00:40:14,453 I'm just saying-- All I'm saying is-- 1025 00:40:14,454 --> 00:40:15,933 Why did Ryan go that many times? 1026 00:40:15,934 --> 00:40:18,022 Is this okay that she's talking about this? 1027 00:40:18,023 --> 00:40:21,982 He has immunity, so he's clearly cooperating with them. 1028 00:40:21,983 --> 00:40:24,332 - Yeah, I don't know. - I get nervous for you, 1029 00:40:24,333 --> 00:40:26,813 because I don't want you on those planes 1030 00:40:26,814 --> 00:40:29,163 - and in those hotel rooms-- - Ask Tamra. 1031 00:40:29,164 --> 00:40:31,122 What are you over there chiming in? 1032 00:40:31,123 --> 00:40:33,080 - You've got a lot to say. - She's not saying anything. 1033 00:40:33,081 --> 00:40:34,604 - She didn't say anything. - Yeah, as she shouldn't. 1034 00:40:34,605 --> 00:40:36,649 Look, I'm not here to attack Ryan. I'm really not. 1035 00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:38,999 I don't like to talk about legal things unless I understand 1036 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,392 what I'm talking about, okay? 1037 00:40:40,393 --> 00:40:42,133 The two of them were cashing the chips in 1038 00:40:42,134 --> 00:40:44,135 that they lost $12 million gambling. 1039 00:40:44,136 --> 00:40:45,919 And I've read a million different ways myself. 1040 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,225 And that was a laundering money. 1041 00:40:47,226 --> 00:40:48,879 - Wow. - And he said at your party, 1042 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,620 he goes, "This is my money laundering partner." 1043 00:40:50,621 --> 00:40:54,319 If you know Matt, Matt knows-- He's, like, making fun of it. 1044 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,364 I mean he's being dumb as, like, "You're my money launderer." 1045 00:40:56,365 --> 00:40:58,541 But he has a criminal enterprise going on, 1046 00:40:58,542 --> 00:41:01,021 and he says "This is my money laundering partner." 1047 00:41:01,022 --> 00:41:03,241 But the money never-- But the money is not Ryan's. 1048 00:41:03,242 --> 00:41:04,982 I know that. I understand that. 1049 00:41:04,983 --> 00:41:07,375 The point also is that he's been given immunity. 1050 00:41:07,376 --> 00:41:10,988 So though he's been mentioned in this case, 1051 00:41:10,989 --> 00:41:12,511 he is not being charged with anything. 1052 00:41:12,512 --> 00:41:14,339 Andy, he is not being charged with anything. 1053 00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:17,995 Emily, if she's saying that the only part that Ryan had 1054 00:41:17,996 --> 00:41:20,432 in it is that his name was on the account-- 1055 00:41:20,433 --> 00:41:21,955 But that's opposite of everything I've read. 1056 00:41:21,956 --> 00:41:23,522 Then, I'm sorry. 1057 00:41:23,523 --> 00:41:25,264 I mean, I've read your in-laws fund your whole life. 1058 00:41:27,659 --> 00:41:30,660 Look, at the end of the day, I would just have more respect 1059 00:41:30,661 --> 00:41:33,706 for you and Ryan if you just said to me, "You know what? 1060 00:41:33,707 --> 00:41:35,186 "He's made some bad choices, 1061 00:41:35,187 --> 00:41:36,840 "but he's gonna be on the straight and narrow." 1062 00:41:36,841 --> 00:41:38,319 I don't owe you that, because he hasn't. 1063 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,060 - If he did, I'm pretty sure-- - How has he not? 1064 00:41:40,061 --> 00:41:41,540 Does he have a mortgage license anymore? 1065 00:41:41,541 --> 00:41:44,021 I don't-- I-- Why-- Like, you love to do this. 1066 00:41:44,022 --> 00:41:45,979 - I don't ask you... - No, I just feel like-- 1067 00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:47,285 ..."How many cases does Shane have?" 1068 00:41:47,286 --> 00:41:49,200 I just feel like you always do this. 1069 00:41:49,201 --> 00:41:51,028 - I don't always do anything. - Yes, you do. You do this... 1070 00:41:51,029 --> 00:41:52,682 I showed up and-- 1071 00:41:52,683 --> 00:41:54,553 ...Tammy Wynette thing where you gotta stand by your man, 1072 00:41:54,554 --> 00:41:56,860 and sometimes you just need to be accountable and say, 1073 00:41:56,861 --> 00:41:58,514 - "You know what?" - I am very accountable. 1074 00:41:58,515 --> 00:42:00,691 - You made some bad choices. - I'm very accountable. 1075 00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:06,522 Next week is part two of 1076 00:42:06,523 --> 00:42:08,219 "The Real Housewives of Orange County" reunion. 1077 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:10,047 Did you have any idea your trip to London 1078 00:42:10,048 --> 00:42:12,049 - would involve an enema? - I'm here to help. 1079 00:42:12,050 --> 00:42:13,398 Where did Eddie sleep that night? 1080 00:42:13,399 --> 00:42:15,356 - In my bed? - Not what I heard. 1081 00:42:15,357 --> 00:42:17,054 If you're going up and looking at the price tag, 1082 00:42:17,055 --> 00:42:19,186 - that is mean girl behavior. - No, it wasn't. 1083 00:42:19,187 --> 00:42:22,712 There have been incidents and my kids are scared. 1084 00:42:22,713 --> 00:42:25,889 Your daughter said we're fake-ass bitches who suck dick. 1085 00:42:25,890 --> 00:42:28,935 It could have done damage to my relationship with Heather. 1086 00:42:28,936 --> 00:42:30,807 I'm not gonna apologize for defending my man. 1087 00:42:30,808 --> 00:42:33,461 - He was still gonna sue you. - And I ended up winning. 1088 00:42:33,462 --> 00:42:34,769 Asshole.