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Hey, Dad. It's Cathy.
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[narrator] The prodigal
daughter returns home.
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I didn't wanna be there,
but I had to be.
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[narrator] To the place
that haunted her youth...
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[Cathy] I could feel the dread
start to come in the room.
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I couldn't scream,
I couldn't do anything.
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[narrator] Only to find the
house won't give up its ghosts.
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Something dead is
definitely up there.
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[loud knocking]
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I had no control.
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[spirit screaming]
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- [crow cawing]
- [narrator] In this world...
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There is real evil.
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-[girl speaks eerily] Someone's alone...
-[thunder rumbling]
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[narrator] It lurks in
the darkest shadows...
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[spirits whispering]
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[narrator] Between what we see,
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- and the things we fear.
- [spirit screaming]
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There are doors.
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When they are opened...
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Nightmares become reality.
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[pleasant music playing]
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The town of Bergen in upstate
New York was founded in 1812.
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A community of farmers
and lumber workers
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carved their future out of the
region's dense woods and fertile soil.
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But they were not the first
to inhabit this ancient land.
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Bergen sits on the edge
of a vast primordial swamp.
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For over 10,000 years, its black
creeks still pulse through the wetlands,
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bringing new life
to age-old darkness.
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You have to pick the right
kind of plants to put in this soil.
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They all can't survive here.
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[narrator] It is here,
at the edge of the swamp,
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where Cathy Heglund grew up.
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My parents moved to
Bergen in the late 50's.
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And they found this old
farmhouse out in the country
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that they could afford.
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My father thought
he would fix it up
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and he'd have a little land
and a bigger home.
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My father was in the back yard,
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tilling up a garden space
for my mother
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to have a vegetable garden.
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[mysterious music playing]
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What is it, Dad?
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And he uncovered part
of a woman's body.
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There was tufts of hair
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that were still curled.
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You could tell that
this woman had red hair.
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There were seven or eight
vertebrae, from, like, a spine.
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That looks like a piece
of a lady's dress.
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- Do you think-- - Don't. It's
nothing for you to worry about, Cathy.
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I want you to go inside now.
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Go inside.
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- Okay...
- Now.
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I have no idea if the
authorities were ever called.
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We didn't really talk about
that incident after that.
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[eerie music playing]
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[narrator] Cathy sensed that there
was something unusual about her home,
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and the land it sat upon.
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[object jangling]
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[Cathy] One night, I noticed
a shadow in the corner.
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[jangling continues]
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I could feel the dread
start to come in the room.
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That creepy feeling that makes
you just want to run and hide.
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And I remember the room
got very, very, very cold.
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And I couldn't move, the only
thing I could move was my eyes.
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It was like I was paralyzed.
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I couldn't scream,
I couldn't do anything.
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Cathy! Cathy!
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God, are you okay?
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You okay? Shh. What happened?
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- I don't know--
- What happened?
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- It--
- God, come here.
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[exhales]
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It took me a few minutes to
gather myself, so I could even think
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to tell my dad
what my side of the story was.
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You all right?
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Tell me you're okay.
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- It's okay...
- [young Cathy] Mmm-hmm...
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[Cathy's father sighs]
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[narrator] Cathy tells
her father what she remembers.
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[Cathy] He would listen to me,
and he would be afraid for me,
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but he didn't know what to do.
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Cathy, we can't let our fears
get the best of us, okay?
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Understand?
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We have to be careful who
we talk to about this stuff.
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Because...
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Most people don't believe in...
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Ghosts.
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But, Dad--
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Put it out of your mind.
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Okay?
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[Cathy] My father wasn't as open
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to acknowledging some of the
things that were going on in the house.
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I think because he didn't know
how to handle those things.
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He didn't know how to
protect us from those things.
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Nothing here can hurt you, okay?
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[Cathy] I think in his mind,
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if he ignored it, and he
didn't give it any attention,
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it would go away.
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But it didn't go away.
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[narrator] As soon
as she could leave Bergen,
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Cathy started a new life
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in Rochester, New York.
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When I was old enough
to get married,
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and I moved out of the house,
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it was a great relief to me.
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[narrator] She starts
her own family,
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builds her own home,
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and tries to forget about
the nightmare in Bergen.
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I actually tried
to convince my father
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to sell that house
more than once.
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To get my mother out of there.
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Hey, Dad...
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He was very firm that he
would never sell that house.
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Hey, Dad. It's Cathy.
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Dad?
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What you got here?
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Oh, Dad...
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[Cathy groans]
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Oh...
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[Cathy's father sobbing]
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[Cathy] Oh...
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You're okay...
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He actually became sick and
had to go into a nursing home.
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[eerie sound]
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We were gone for eight years.
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Eight years,
that house stood like that.
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Like the day
we just shut the door.
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[narrator] By 2018,
Cathy's children are grown,
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and her marriage has ended.
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Health problems had forced
her into early retirement,
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and taken a toll
on her finances.
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Leaving her
only one place to go.
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She returns to the Bergen house
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with her new boyfriend.
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Could be worse.
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Could it?
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Only one way to find out.
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[Cathy] During that time period,
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people had been
breaking into the house,
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because they realized
it was empty,
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and it's off the road.
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Stealing antiques,
dropping garbage off.
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I don't know where to start.
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Come on now,
we're in this together.
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[Cathy] I just can't believe
I had to move back here.
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I promised myself
I'd never move back.
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You'll be okay.
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It'll be great, it'll...
We'll make the best of it.
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- Well, I'm glad you're here with me.
- Mmm.
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[Cathy] I didn't wanna be there.
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I didn't wanna be there,
but I had to be there.
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The idea was that
we would fix up the house,
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try to get it cleared, sell it,
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move on with our lives.
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[eerie music playing]
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The very first night,
my boyfriend,
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he fell asleep rather quickly.
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I was very nervous.
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- I got that old, familiar feeling.
- [spirit panting]
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- [door creaking]
- [object jangling]
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[spirit sobbing]
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[jangling continues]
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[whispers] Hey. Wake up.
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Wake up!
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[spirit] Please help me...
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[jangling continues]
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- [rattling]
- [Cathy gasps]
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[Cathy's boyfriend groans]
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What's wrong? What happened?
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Look...
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It brought back all of
those fears I had as a kid.
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[spirit crying]
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- [rattling]
- [Cathy gasps]
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[Cathy's boyfriend groans]
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What happened?
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Look...
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[gasps]
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[spirit] Please help me...
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[Cathy] It was like it got
to the end of the bed
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and it would just disappeared,
it was just gone.
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Sorry, Cath, but I'm not
sleeping in this bed.
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[Cathy stammering]
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Air mattress. Living room.
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I'm not sleeping in this house.
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What?
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Come with me, Cath.
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Or don't.
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I just can't.
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[coat hangers jangling]
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[Cathy] I did feel like
this might be a mistake,
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moving back into this house.
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But yet,
that was my family home.
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When I thought about home as
a kid, that was what I thought of.
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So, even though I was terrified,
that was also my comfort.
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Give your mom a hug! Oh!
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- Thanks for coming, sweetheart.
- Hey, Mom.
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You remember Justin?
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Justin, so good to see you.
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I'd say pardon the mess,
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but it is way too far gone
for that.
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So, what do you think?
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Can we salvage this wreck?
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[Cathy] Justin is a good,
good family friend.
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Out of the kindness
of his heart,
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he volunteered to help us
try to clean it up a little bit.
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It's gonna take a lot
of work, but, yeah.
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It's under there somewhere.
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Well, let me show you around
before you get too optimistic.
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[all chuckling]
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You okay?
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Yeah, I just...
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Feel like someone walked
across my grave or something.
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It was definitely a warm day
when I walked in.
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And I walked in
and felt a chill.
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It just kinda sent hairs
up my spine a little bit.
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Keep an open mind.
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It's a strange old house.
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What do you mean?
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Make yourself useful.
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Always doing something here.
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[narrator] After a full day of
sifting through years of debris,
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Justin and Max settle in
for the night.
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- [exhales] I'm done, man.
- Yeah, me too.
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- Hey, you crash upstairs, I'll take the couch.
- Cool.
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[eerie music playing]
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[groans]
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[narrator] Justin Morrison was told
that he's staying at a strange old house.
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But nothing could have prepared
him for what he encounters upstairs.
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[groans]
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[groans]
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It just kinda sent hairs
up my spine a little bit,
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and it was like someone
put their hand on me,
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and just fully extended
their arm.
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- Dude, are you okay?
- Yeah. I think so.
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I felt the initial fall of
when my butt hit the stairs,
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I remember my head hitting,
but I don't... I didn't...
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There was no pain.
My head didn't hurt.
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- Did you see anybody?
- No.
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[Justin] It was like bouncing
your head off of a mattress.
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I can't explain it other than
whatever it was,
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didn't want me to get hurt.
They just didn't want me there.
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They didn't want me upstairs.
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Something dark
is definitely up there.
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I slept in the living room.
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[narrator] In the morning, Justin tells
Cathy about his experience in the house.
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Hey, boys. Here you go.
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- Thanks, Mom.
- [Justin] Thank you.
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Miss Cathy...
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You know how you said
to give this house a chance?
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- Yeah.
- I think I know what you meant.
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Something happen?
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Yeah.
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[Cathy] I let him tell me
his story.
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I let him know
that I believed him.
256
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There I was, like,
"So, I'm mad?"
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She's like,
"No, you're not crazy, no."
258
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Have you ever...
seen anything?
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Yes.
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I mean, as a kid.
261
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I saw a lot, there was
crazy stuff that happened.
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Dad told me not
to talk about it ever, so...
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Yes. A lot.
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I asked, "Who are they?" She goes,
"I'm not really sure who they are."
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Do you know what they want?
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No.
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I have never really
thought about what they want.
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[narrator] Cathy decides it is
time to seek definite answers
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about who or what
is haunting her house.
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[Cathy] We had a neighbor. He
suggested, you know, you meet this woman,
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she can enlighten you on some of
the other things that are going on there.
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'Cause Janet is
a psychic medium.
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The original house
was built in 1858,
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but most of the rooms were added
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in the 1880s and 1930s.
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What is it, Dad?
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[Cathy] I didn't tell her
anything about the garden,
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and she just stopped.
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She stopped in the exact spot
my father dug up that body.
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Something happened here.
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I had a feeling of... death.
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I had felt there
was a woman back there
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that had been killed on the
property, and had been buried.
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[creaking]
285
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And she goes, "There's
people buried on this property."
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And I said, "Yes, I think so."
287
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Can we go in there?
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[nervously] Of course.
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When I entered the barn,
I got a feeling,
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overwhelming feeling of
fear and dread, and sadness.
291
00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:29,100
[eerie music playing]
292
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Being a mother, I could feel
that feeling of being pregnant.
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[crashing]
294
00:19:59,431 --> 00:20:05,836
And that's when I saw the woman
hanging from the rafters in the barn.
295
00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:07,104
[creaking]
296
00:20:13,412 --> 00:20:15,012
I know what happened here.
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A woman took her own life.
298
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[crickets chirping]
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[narrator] Janet decides
to conduct an investigation
300
00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:45,409
to see if she can calm the
restless spirit lurking in Cathy's barn.
301
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She has her friend D.J., a
paranormal investigator, join her.
302
00:20:51,717 --> 00:20:54,418
Is there someone here
who wishes to communicate?
303
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[Cathy] We were actually
out there one night,
304
00:20:58,957 --> 00:21:01,659
and we were actually going
to try to cross over
305
00:21:01,661 --> 00:21:04,128
the spirit of the woman
that hung herself.
306
00:21:04,863 --> 00:21:07,198
I'm reaching out
to the woman who died here.
307
00:21:08,934 --> 00:21:11,035
I know what happened to you.
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00:21:13,972 --> 00:21:16,207
Can you help me understand why?
309
00:21:22,481 --> 00:21:24,048
[Cathy] I glanced over at her,
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and I instantly knew something
was wrong with her.
311
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[suspenseful music playing]
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[narrator] In the barn behind
Cathy Heglund's house,
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psychic medium, Janet Toal,
makes contact
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with a restless spirit.
315
00:21:48,408 --> 00:21:51,275
[suspenseful music playing]
316
00:22:01,553 --> 00:22:04,288
[Cathy] I saw someone
behind her.
317
00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:08,826
It was like their face
was coming through her face.
318
00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:12,396
It was almost like they were
pushing through her from the back.
319
00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:18,302
Janet, are you okay?
Can you hear me?
320
00:22:19,971 --> 00:22:21,238
[camera shutter clicks]
321
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:28,779
Janet... Janet... Janet!
322
00:22:28,814 --> 00:22:30,748
Janet.
323
00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:32,650
I called to her,
and she wasn't responding.
324
00:22:32,684 --> 00:22:34,719
Can you hear me now?
325
00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:37,088
I was, like, "Janet,"
you know, a little bit louder.
326
00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:40,358
Yeah. What was that?
327
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,894
I just remember, kind of,
feeling dazed.
328
00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:46,997
Like, uh, sort of, out of it.
329
00:22:46,999 --> 00:22:48,232
I got something here.
330
00:22:49,434 --> 00:22:50,701
Look at this.
331
00:22:54,573 --> 00:23:01,212
Come to find out, after reviewing
the video and the pictures,
332
00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:05,549
uh, there was a spirit that
had stepped inside of my body.
333
00:23:05,551 --> 00:23:09,353
[Cathy] You could actually see
another face over the top of hers.
334
00:23:10,589 --> 00:23:15,826
It's a very creepy photo,
because in the photo
335
00:23:15,828 --> 00:23:17,928
the face that's turned
to look at you,
336
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:20,264
the eyes are completely black.
337
00:23:27,806 --> 00:23:31,308
The woman who died here,
she needs our help.
338
00:23:32,978 --> 00:23:34,144
[whispers] Okay.
339
00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:39,717
[narrator] Cathy reaches out
to a local historian,
340
00:23:39,719 --> 00:23:43,988
in hopes of identifying the
woman who died in her barn.
341
00:23:47,325 --> 00:23:50,094
[Cathy] The town historian
is the one that told us
342
00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:53,330
about the woman who hung
herself in the barn, Katherine.
343
00:23:54,199 --> 00:23:55,299
I'm with child.
344
00:23:58,203 --> 00:23:59,436
With your child.
345
00:24:01,773 --> 00:24:06,744
Come to find out that this
young girl actually had an affair
346
00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:11,782
with one of the married
justices of the peace at the time.
347
00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:13,951
And when he found out
she was pregnant,
348
00:24:13,953 --> 00:24:16,821
he broke off the relationship.
349
00:24:16,823 --> 00:24:18,189
- You want my counsel?
- Hmm.
350
00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:20,224
End it.
351
00:24:22,427 --> 00:24:23,861
Be rid of it.
352
00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:31,035
[Cathy] To be an unmarried
young woman, pregnant...
353
00:24:31,037 --> 00:24:33,103
No, her whole life
was over with.
354
00:24:35,106 --> 00:24:37,374
[gasping]
355
00:24:57,829 --> 00:24:59,129
[stool crashes]
356
00:25:02,767 --> 00:25:04,401
[creaking]
357
00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:13,477
Her family wouldn't help
or anything.
358
00:25:13,479 --> 00:25:16,981
They would turn their back on
you, back in those days, you know.
359
00:25:16,983 --> 00:25:20,351
So, she became very
despondent, and took her life.
360
00:25:20,353 --> 00:25:21,785
[creaking]
361
00:25:23,822 --> 00:25:26,290
[narrator] Because of the
aggressive nature of the hauntings,
362
00:25:26,292 --> 00:25:30,861
Cathy invites investigator
and psychic, Tim Shaw,
363
00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:35,232
to help get answers to the questions
that have plagued her since childhood.
364
00:25:36,134 --> 00:25:38,135
Oh, come in.
365
00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,675
- You must be Cathy.
- Mr. Shaw.
366
00:25:44,677 --> 00:25:51,649
Janet knew Reverend Tim Shaw,
and she mentioned the house to him.
367
00:25:51,651 --> 00:25:55,486
And he wanted to come see it for
himself and experience it for himself.
368
00:25:55,488 --> 00:25:58,956
Let me see.
What can I tell you?
369
00:25:58,958 --> 00:26:02,493
If you don't mind, I'd like to take a
walk around the house first, myself.
370
00:26:02,495 --> 00:26:07,431
Whenever I go
to a "haunted house,"
371
00:26:07,433 --> 00:26:10,801
I'll do a cold walk,
which means I wanna go
372
00:26:10,803 --> 00:26:12,970
and I wanna read the energy
in the house.
373
00:26:12,972 --> 00:26:14,638
I wanna get impressions.
374
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,540
I wanna go in every single room.
375
00:26:16,542 --> 00:26:19,643
I want the house to tell me
what's going on.
376
00:26:19,645 --> 00:26:23,347
- Of course. Let me know if you need anything.
- Thank you.
377
00:26:31,356 --> 00:26:34,224
I'm standing in the home
of Cathy Heglund.
378
00:26:38,897 --> 00:26:43,767
I'm kinda looking around, and I got,
like, a sick feeling in my solar plexus.
379
00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:46,136
And the first thing that
you learn about,
380
00:26:46,138 --> 00:26:48,405
if you work with exorcists
or demonologists,
381
00:26:50,075 --> 00:26:53,944
if you get a little butterfly
in your solar plexus,
382
00:26:53,946 --> 00:26:57,081
that usually means there's something
that's not real happy that you're there.
383
00:27:02,554 --> 00:27:03,621
[eerie sound]
384
00:27:06,391 --> 00:27:09,693
I was walking up the stairs,
and I got about halfway,
385
00:27:09,695 --> 00:27:11,862
and I got a gentle push,
386
00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:14,999
felt it, like, right in
my chest, centralized,
387
00:27:15,001 --> 00:27:18,202
like somebody had just put
their hand out, said "Stop."
388
00:27:18,903 --> 00:27:20,404
There is definitely
something here.
389
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,407
It's stronger
on the second floor.
390
00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:33,217
Ow!
391
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:35,519
[groans]
392
00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:37,721
And I was, like,
"What the hell did I hit?
393
00:27:37,723 --> 00:27:39,990
What did I...
Was there something here?"
394
00:27:40,058 --> 00:27:42,159
[breathing heavily]
395
00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:49,266
[suspenseful music playing]
396
00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:01,211
I'm in the upstairs bedroom.
397
00:28:03,114 --> 00:28:04,748
Whatever attacked me
on the stairs,
398
00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:06,150
seems to have backed off.
399
00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:13,424
I went to the back window,
400
00:28:13,426 --> 00:28:15,359
and I looked out, and I'm
looking into the swamp.
401
00:28:18,897 --> 00:28:21,265
[eerie music playing]
402
00:28:28,973 --> 00:28:31,642
[narrator] Paranormal
investigator, Tim Shaw,
403
00:28:31,644 --> 00:28:33,811
has encountered the dark entity
404
00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:35,979
haunting Cathy Heglund's home.
405
00:28:45,924 --> 00:28:47,357
I'm not afraid of you.
406
00:28:48,626 --> 00:28:50,961
And you can't hide from me.
407
00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,801
[narrator] Tim Shaw's
experience gives him an idea
408
00:28:57,803 --> 00:29:00,104
about the cause of the haunting.
409
00:29:01,806 --> 00:29:06,210
We know that water
plays an important part
410
00:29:06,511 --> 00:29:10,881
in amplifying psychic phenomena.
411
00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:15,886
That primordial swamp predates
European occupation of the area.
412
00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:21,525
That tells you that, that
swamp has a lot of energy to it.
413
00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:25,162
So I believe that that is what's
powering whatever's in the house.
414
00:29:27,932 --> 00:29:29,600
I immediately thought to myself,
415
00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:34,571
"This would be a great
location to attempt a seance."
416
00:29:34,573 --> 00:29:37,674
If it was done correctly,
done safely,
417
00:29:37,676 --> 00:29:40,778
that we could go and we
could contact something.
418
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:43,680
Get some kind of
two-way communication going.
419
00:29:43,682 --> 00:29:47,251
Uh, because it just felt
that the house was alive.
420
00:29:51,656 --> 00:29:55,425
[narrator] Cathy recruits a
team of paranormal investigators,
421
00:29:55,427 --> 00:29:58,362
including researcher and
psychic medium, Rob Thompson,
422
00:29:58,364 --> 00:30:02,332
and his assistant, Renata,
to help with the seance.
423
00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:09,139
[Rob] From the moment we arrived,
I felt that we were being observed.
424
00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:13,944
And immediately, I felt that
there were multiple spirits there
425
00:30:13,946 --> 00:30:15,212
who needed our help.
426
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:16,980
Let's get started.
427
00:30:16,982 --> 00:30:18,081
Right.
428
00:30:26,858 --> 00:30:29,059
[suspenseful music playing]
429
00:30:42,941 --> 00:30:44,107
Everybody ready?
430
00:30:44,142 --> 00:30:45,409
Yes.
431
00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:46,877
[Renata whispers] Okay.
432
00:30:46,879 --> 00:30:49,146
There's several ways
of doing a seance.
433
00:30:50,081 --> 00:30:53,217
But every seance
is almost the same.
434
00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:56,220
You start off with a prayer.
435
00:30:58,289 --> 00:31:00,257
We ask for your protection,
436
00:31:00,259 --> 00:31:02,693
for all those
within this circle tonight.
437
00:31:02,695 --> 00:31:06,830
Help us to raise our energy to
communicate with the spirits here.
438
00:31:06,832 --> 00:31:11,702
You can really raise the vibration
enough to give them enough energy
439
00:31:11,704 --> 00:31:14,771
to be able to move things,
do things.
440
00:31:14,773 --> 00:31:18,308
It can get pretty intense
during a seance.
441
00:31:20,178 --> 00:31:23,146
Is there someone out there
who'd like to communicate with us?
442
00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:30,654
Damn it.
443
00:31:35,159 --> 00:31:37,628
[Rob] Our equipment
was starting to drain.
444
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:42,866
Brand new batteries that'd just been
fully charged, even the disposable ones.
445
00:31:42,868 --> 00:31:48,972
Boom. It's a sign that spirit
is willing to come forward,
446
00:31:48,974 --> 00:31:50,440
and is using energy.
447
00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,246
Okay. Good to go.
448
00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,118
We are here to help you.
Make your presence known to us.
449
00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:06,256
The energy is building.
450
00:32:08,393 --> 00:32:13,163
All of a sudden, the table-- You could feel
the vibrations coming up through the table.
451
00:32:13,165 --> 00:32:15,966
Right through the table,
as such, you could just feel...
452
00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:17,234
[Cathy gasps]
453
00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:23,240
I can't believe I'm seeing this.
454
00:32:24,876 --> 00:32:28,946
It was the first seance I had
ever experienced first hand.
455
00:32:29,881 --> 00:32:33,150
The table was actually
off the ground.
456
00:32:34,719 --> 00:32:36,687
[Janet] The table levitated
off the floor
457
00:32:36,689 --> 00:32:38,288
and was shaking back and forth.
458
00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:41,959
And it was just incredible.
459
00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:46,229
It went up and stayed there for, I
don't know, three, four, five seconds.
460
00:32:47,065 --> 00:32:49,199
- [table rattling]
- [Cathy gasps]
461
00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:51,301
I felt something behind me.
462
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:54,404
It was... nasty.
463
00:32:54,406 --> 00:32:57,975
And then, you could feel,
just the energy, just drop.
464
00:32:57,977 --> 00:33:00,010
- [thud]
- [Cathy gasps]
465
00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:07,317
And it was over. It was done.
466
00:33:08,753 --> 00:33:10,354
Damn it. Again?
467
00:33:13,624 --> 00:33:17,227
I think I need some air.
[breathing heavily]
468
00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:26,803
Okay. Let's give it
a few minutes.
469
00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:28,071
And we'll try again.
470
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,047
[Renata sighs]
471
00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:39,316
[narrator] When the
investigators regroup,
472
00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:42,319
Janet Toal leads the seance.
473
00:33:44,722 --> 00:33:48,025
I am reaching out to the young
woman who died on this property.
474
00:33:50,895 --> 00:33:53,030
Katherine, can you hear me?
475
00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:56,400
[crying]
476
00:33:57,802 --> 00:33:59,469
[Janet] As the seance
was going on,
477
00:33:59,471 --> 00:34:02,839
one of the participants
started crying uncontrollably.
478
00:34:02,841 --> 00:34:07,077
She just-- was wailing and
we couldn't get her to stop.
479
00:34:07,578 --> 00:34:10,180
- Are you there?
- [Renata continues crying]
480
00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:18,989
For me, a seance is giving
spirit, like, a giant antenna.
481
00:34:18,991 --> 00:34:21,892
Sometimes things can go awry.
482
00:34:21,894 --> 00:34:26,129
Sometimes people can
break the circle, out of fear.
483
00:34:27,665 --> 00:34:29,299
Everyone, keep holding hands.
484
00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:35,639
I looked over and I saw
in my mind's eye,
485
00:34:35,641 --> 00:34:39,676
that Katherine, the woman
who had hung herself in the barn,
486
00:34:39,678 --> 00:34:43,947
had stepped in too close to
her and was making her cry.
487
00:34:46,851 --> 00:34:48,919
Katherine, listen to my voice.
488
00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:50,554
[Renata continues crying]
489
00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:53,690
I need you to step away
from the circle.
490
00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:57,894
[Janet] I had to ask her if she
could please step back from her.
491
00:34:57,896 --> 00:34:59,963
You know, that she wasn't
allowed to be that close.
492
00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:01,698
That you could communicate
with us,
493
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,034
but she wasn't allowed
to be that close to the woman.
494
00:35:04,036 --> 00:35:05,702
And as soon as she stepped back,
495
00:35:05,704 --> 00:35:07,871
the woman just completely
stopped crying.
496
00:35:07,873 --> 00:35:08,905
That was it. She was done.
497
00:35:08,907 --> 00:35:11,208
And she didn't know
what was happening.
498
00:35:14,412 --> 00:35:16,413
[Cathy] I was sitting
in the front room,
499
00:35:16,415 --> 00:35:20,717
and I felt the dark presence
come into the room.
500
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,352
I could feel the anger.
501
00:35:25,089 --> 00:35:28,091
There is something
in here with us.
502
00:35:31,195 --> 00:35:33,363
[suspenseful music playing]
503
00:35:37,068 --> 00:35:38,201
What is it?
504
00:35:40,905 --> 00:35:41,972
It's him.
505
00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:47,811
We could feel this rush
of negative energy come in.
506
00:35:47,813 --> 00:35:49,045
[Renata gasping]
507
00:36:07,231 --> 00:36:11,201
[screeching]
508
00:36:13,070 --> 00:36:15,138
[growling]
509
00:36:17,542 --> 00:36:20,110
[breathing heavily]
510
00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:24,814
[narrator] During the seance
at the Bergen house,
511
00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,852
investigator, Rob Thompson,
becomes a vessel with the dark entity.
512
00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,288
[gurgling]
513
00:36:34,825 --> 00:36:36,993
[screeching]
514
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:41,064
[growling]
515
00:36:44,635 --> 00:36:45,969
Again!
516
00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:53,777
At some point, I blacked out.
517
00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:58,014
I have no connection
with what is going on.
518
00:36:58,816 --> 00:37:00,016
I had no control.
519
00:37:00,918 --> 00:37:03,119
[growling]
520
00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:08,058
It was very aggressive energy
from that spirit.
521
00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:11,094
And he definitely was
trying to intimidate.
522
00:37:13,197 --> 00:37:14,331
Who are you?
523
00:37:16,167 --> 00:37:17,400
Tell me your name.
524
00:37:18,936 --> 00:37:21,271
[screeching]
525
00:37:25,009 --> 00:37:28,245
[spirit growling] Who are you?
526
00:37:30,982 --> 00:37:34,150
[Janet] I'm not afraid
of you at all.
527
00:37:34,852 --> 00:37:37,087
I never will be, either.
528
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:42,158
[spirit laughing maniacally]
529
00:37:48,132 --> 00:37:50,200
Now I know who you are.
530
00:37:51,669 --> 00:37:54,037
[screeching]
531
00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:57,407
That was me,
showing the confidence
532
00:37:57,409 --> 00:37:59,376
that I can't be intimidated
by him.
533
00:38:00,878 --> 00:38:03,146
[screeching]
534
00:38:14,191 --> 00:38:16,293
[Rob breathing heavily]
535
00:38:17,528 --> 00:38:18,962
Rob?
536
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:23,900
- Are you back with us?
- [breathes heavily]
537
00:38:23,902 --> 00:38:30,073
You could tell that this man who was in
the seance with us, he just came out of it.
538
00:38:31,008 --> 00:38:32,409
Is he gone?
539
00:38:32,411 --> 00:38:35,045
Yes... for now.
540
00:38:36,414 --> 00:38:39,749
His whole purpose
was to make us afraid.
541
00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:42,385
And when somebody
stood up to him,
542
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,355
he lost that power and he left.
543
00:38:46,123 --> 00:38:48,358
[Rob breathing heavily]
544
00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:57,200
The seance is over.
545
00:39:00,404 --> 00:39:01,971
Thank you.
546
00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:05,375
[Rob breathing heavily]
547
00:39:09,613 --> 00:39:12,048
[narrator] With the seance
concluded,
548
00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:15,985
the investigators give Cathy
what she has long awaited...
549
00:39:16,087 --> 00:39:17,320
Answers.
550
00:39:17,722 --> 00:39:20,323
Tim... thank you.
551
00:39:21,659 --> 00:39:23,860
You have a very active house.
552
00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:27,931
Hopefully, it'll quiet down,
but with the swamp, I doubt it.
553
00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:30,233
I believe there's a young
woman here from another time.
554
00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:33,136
Demure, quiet.
555
00:39:34,805 --> 00:39:37,107
Seems like she was in
an abusive relationship.
556
00:39:37,942 --> 00:39:39,309
I hope she has found peace.
557
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:41,344
Me, too.
558
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,749
[Katherine] You told me
that you loved me.
559
00:39:45,751 --> 00:39:49,018
I see now that you are
incapable of loving anyone.
560
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:53,089
You are a monster.
561
00:39:53,091 --> 00:39:55,992
And I hope that
you are damned in hell.
562
00:39:55,994 --> 00:39:58,328
[crows cawing]
563
00:40:01,132 --> 00:40:02,699
And you have a male spirit,
564
00:40:02,701 --> 00:40:06,236
who feels dark, punitive, cruel.
565
00:40:12,176 --> 00:40:15,011
The darker guy,
the darker spirit personality,
566
00:40:15,379 --> 00:40:17,180
[grunts]
567
00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:19,616
I believe that he is someone
who has lived in the house.
568
00:40:19,618 --> 00:40:21,985
He feels as if,
he's part of that house.
569
00:40:21,987 --> 00:40:27,090
And I believe that he was somebody
that was just unbelievably stern.
570
00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:29,993
He ruled by having an iron fist.
571
00:40:30,694 --> 00:40:32,362
Uh, women had no rights.
572
00:40:33,898 --> 00:40:35,432
I don't like you
sharing a space with him.
573
00:40:37,935 --> 00:40:39,035
Be careful, Cathy.
574
00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:43,106
Cathy, uh...
575
00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:46,176
[chuckles] Good luck
with this place.
576
00:40:46,178 --> 00:40:48,411
[chuckles] I'm afraid
you might need it.
577
00:40:50,581 --> 00:40:54,017
I feel we did good work
while we were there.
578
00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:57,253
I feel that the energy
changed, it shifted.
579
00:40:57,755 --> 00:40:59,155
But, honestly...
580
00:41:00,424 --> 00:41:03,426
I wouldn't go back there
for all the tea in China.
581
00:41:03,428 --> 00:41:05,995
[crickets chirping]
582
00:41:05,997 --> 00:41:08,698
[Cathy] I started to talk
to my father a little bit,
583
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,768
about the spirit activity
in that house.
584
00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:14,871
And about why he would
never let us tell anybody
585
00:41:14,873 --> 00:41:16,573
about things when we were kids.
586
00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:21,678
And I told him I wanna know
why this place is so haunted.
587
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:27,150
And why we had to grow up...
the way we grew up.
588
00:41:27,152 --> 00:41:29,419
Experiencing those things.
[sniffles]
589
00:41:31,255 --> 00:41:33,756
And he agreed with me.
[sniffles]
590
00:41:33,758 --> 00:41:35,391
That we needed to find out why.
591
00:41:36,227 --> 00:41:37,794
[crickets chirping]
592
00:41:37,796 --> 00:41:43,032
I've kinda told myself that the
spirits in the house, they're people.
593
00:41:44,435 --> 00:41:48,404
They're part of my family,
whether I like it or not.
594
00:41:48,406 --> 00:41:50,640
I talk out loud to my ghosts
sometimes, and I said,
595
00:41:50,642 --> 00:41:54,277
"You know, like me or not,
we're in this together."
596
00:41:56,046 --> 00:41:58,381
And we can either get along
or we don't have to get along.