1 00:00:06,639 --> 00:00:08,407 Hey, Dad. It's Cathy. 2 00:00:08,409 --> 00:00:10,709 [narrator] The prodigal daughter returns home. 3 00:00:10,711 --> 00:00:13,545 I didn't wanna be there, but I had to be. 4 00:00:13,547 --> 00:00:16,181 [narrator] To the place that haunted her youth... 5 00:00:16,183 --> 00:00:18,717 [Cathy] I could feel the dread start to come in the room. 6 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,321 I couldn't scream, I couldn't do anything. 7 00:00:24,657 --> 00:00:29,828 [narrator] Only to find the house won't give up its ghosts. 8 00:00:29,830 --> 00:00:31,964 Something dead is definitely up there. 9 00:00:31,966 --> 00:00:33,032 [loud knocking] 10 00:00:33,034 --> 00:00:33,832 I had no control. 11 00:00:33,834 --> 00:00:36,835 [spirit screaming] 12 00:00:36,837 --> 00:00:38,303 - [crow cawing] - [narrator] In this world... 13 00:00:38,638 --> 00:00:40,939 There is real evil. 14 00:00:40,941 --> 00:00:43,175 -[girl speaks eerily] Someone's alone... -[thunder rumbling] 15 00:00:44,110 --> 00:00:46,712 [narrator] It lurks in the darkest shadows... 16 00:00:46,714 --> 00:00:48,213 [spirits whispering] 17 00:00:49,716 --> 00:00:50,783 [narrator] Between what we see, 18 00:00:52,118 --> 00:00:54,420 - and the things we fear. - [spirit screaming] 19 00:00:55,422 --> 00:00:57,256 There are doors. 20 00:00:57,258 --> 00:00:58,323 When they are opened... 21 00:01:00,894 --> 00:01:04,396 Nightmares become reality. 22 00:01:07,233 --> 00:01:08,700 [pleasant music playing] 23 00:01:12,472 --> 00:01:17,810 The town of Bergen in upstate New York was founded in 1812. 24 00:01:17,812 --> 00:01:19,778 A community of farmers and lumber workers 25 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:25,184 carved their future out of the region's dense woods and fertile soil. 26 00:01:26,586 --> 00:01:30,556 But they were not the first to inhabit this ancient land. 27 00:01:30,558 --> 00:01:35,427 Bergen sits on the edge of a vast primordial swamp. 28 00:01:35,429 --> 00:01:40,732 For over 10,000 years, its black creeks still pulse through the wetlands, 29 00:01:40,734 --> 00:01:45,037 bringing new life to age-old darkness. 30 00:01:51,845 --> 00:01:54,813 You have to pick the right kind of plants to put in this soil. 31 00:01:54,881 --> 00:01:57,049 They all can't survive here. 32 00:01:57,917 --> 00:02:00,819 [narrator] It is here, at the edge of the swamp, 33 00:02:00,887 --> 00:02:03,422 where Cathy Heglund grew up. 34 00:02:05,425 --> 00:02:09,328 My parents moved to Bergen in the late 50's. 35 00:02:11,097 --> 00:02:13,565 And they found this old farmhouse out in the country 36 00:02:13,567 --> 00:02:15,134 that they could afford. 37 00:02:15,136 --> 00:02:17,669 My father thought he would fix it up 38 00:02:17,671 --> 00:02:20,072 and he'd have a little land and a bigger home. 39 00:02:20,807 --> 00:02:23,142 My father was in the back yard, 40 00:02:23,144 --> 00:02:25,744 tilling up a garden space for my mother 41 00:02:25,746 --> 00:02:27,279 to have a vegetable garden. 42 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,053 [mysterious music playing] 43 00:02:36,923 --> 00:02:38,323 What is it, Dad? 44 00:02:41,828 --> 00:02:45,030 And he uncovered part of a woman's body. 45 00:02:53,139 --> 00:02:55,207 There was tufts of hair 46 00:02:56,109 --> 00:02:57,342 that were still curled. 47 00:02:57,344 --> 00:03:00,579 You could tell that this woman had red hair. 48 00:03:00,581 --> 00:03:04,149 There were seven or eight vertebrae, from, like, a spine. 49 00:03:12,392 --> 00:03:14,259 That looks like a piece of a lady's dress. 50 00:03:16,763 --> 00:03:20,232 - Do you think-- - Don't. It's nothing for you to worry about, Cathy. 51 00:03:34,047 --> 00:03:35,380 I want you to go inside now. 52 00:03:37,083 --> 00:03:37,649 Go inside. 53 00:03:37,651 --> 00:03:39,952 - Okay... - Now. 54 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,963 I have no idea if the authorities were ever called. 55 00:03:53,333 --> 00:03:56,168 We didn't really talk about that incident after that. 56 00:03:57,570 --> 00:04:00,405 [eerie music playing] 57 00:04:06,012 --> 00:04:10,782 [narrator] Cathy sensed that there was something unusual about her home, 58 00:04:10,784 --> 00:04:13,051 and the land it sat upon. 59 00:04:20,827 --> 00:04:24,062 [object jangling] 60 00:04:30,970 --> 00:04:34,106 [Cathy] One night, I noticed a shadow in the corner. 61 00:04:34,108 --> 00:04:35,440 [jangling continues] 62 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,548 I could feel the dread start to come in the room. 63 00:04:43,550 --> 00:04:46,718 That creepy feeling that makes you just want to run and hide. 64 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,055 And I remember the room got very, very, very cold. 65 00:04:50,057 --> 00:04:53,759 And I couldn't move, the only thing I could move was my eyes. 66 00:04:53,761 --> 00:04:56,094 It was like I was paralyzed. 67 00:04:57,797 --> 00:05:00,365 I couldn't scream, I couldn't do anything. 68 00:05:32,765 --> 00:05:33,765 Cathy! Cathy! 69 00:05:33,767 --> 00:05:35,000 God, are you okay? 70 00:05:35,002 --> 00:05:37,402 You okay? Shh. What happened? 71 00:05:37,404 --> 00:05:38,970 - I don't know-- - What happened? 72 00:05:38,972 --> 00:05:40,339 - It-- - God, come here. 73 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:42,174 [exhales] 74 00:05:44,043 --> 00:05:47,179 It took me a few minutes to gather myself, so I could even think 75 00:05:47,181 --> 00:05:50,215 to tell my dad what my side of the story was. 76 00:05:50,883 --> 00:05:52,084 You all right? 77 00:05:52,251 --> 00:05:53,752 Tell me you're okay. 78 00:05:53,754 --> 00:05:55,187 - It's okay... - [young Cathy] Mmm-hmm... 79 00:05:57,657 --> 00:05:59,191 [Cathy's father sighs] 80 00:06:01,327 --> 00:06:04,329 [narrator] Cathy tells her father what she remembers. 81 00:06:05,965 --> 00:06:09,601 [Cathy] He would listen to me, and he would be afraid for me, 82 00:06:09,603 --> 00:06:11,970 but he didn't know what to do. 83 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:15,974 Cathy, we can't let our fears get the best of us, okay? 84 00:06:16,008 --> 00:06:18,110 Understand? 85 00:06:18,112 --> 00:06:20,379 We have to be careful who we talk to about this stuff. 86 00:06:20,913 --> 00:06:22,214 Because... 87 00:06:23,249 --> 00:06:25,150 Most people don't believe in... 88 00:06:26,052 --> 00:06:27,085 Ghosts. 89 00:06:27,153 --> 00:06:28,220 But, Dad-- 90 00:06:28,222 --> 00:06:29,388 Put it out of your mind. 91 00:06:31,724 --> 00:06:33,024 Okay? 92 00:06:33,459 --> 00:06:36,928 [Cathy] My father wasn't as open 93 00:06:36,930 --> 00:06:40,532 to acknowledging some of the things that were going on in the house. 94 00:06:40,534 --> 00:06:44,569 I think because he didn't know how to handle those things. 95 00:06:44,571 --> 00:06:47,873 He didn't know how to protect us from those things. 96 00:06:47,875 --> 00:06:50,208 Nothing here can hurt you, okay? 97 00:06:50,610 --> 00:06:52,844 [Cathy] I think in his mind, 98 00:06:52,846 --> 00:06:56,748 if he ignored it, and he didn't give it any attention, 99 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:58,116 it would go away. 100 00:06:59,452 --> 00:07:01,153 But it didn't go away. 101 00:07:05,958 --> 00:07:08,727 [narrator] As soon as she could leave Bergen, 102 00:07:08,729 --> 00:07:10,762 Cathy started a new life 103 00:07:10,764 --> 00:07:13,098 in Rochester, New York. 104 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:14,800 When I was old enough to get married, 105 00:07:14,802 --> 00:07:16,234 and I moved out of the house, 106 00:07:16,936 --> 00:07:19,237 it was a great relief to me. 107 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,741 [narrator] She starts her own family, 108 00:07:22,743 --> 00:07:25,410 builds her own home, 109 00:07:25,412 --> 00:07:28,980 and tries to forget about the nightmare in Bergen. 110 00:07:28,982 --> 00:07:31,383 I actually tried to convince my father 111 00:07:31,385 --> 00:07:33,351 to sell that house more than once. 112 00:07:34,987 --> 00:07:35,620 To get my mother out of there. 113 00:07:35,622 --> 00:07:36,955 Hey, Dad... 114 00:07:36,957 --> 00:07:40,091 He was very firm that he would never sell that house. 115 00:07:41,994 --> 00:07:43,328 Hey, Dad. It's Cathy. 116 00:07:45,898 --> 00:07:47,065 Dad? 117 00:07:50,002 --> 00:07:51,269 What you got here? 118 00:07:51,871 --> 00:07:53,338 Oh, Dad... 119 00:07:54,273 --> 00:07:56,007 [Cathy groans] 120 00:08:01,848 --> 00:08:02,848 Oh... 121 00:08:02,850 --> 00:08:04,382 [Cathy's father sobbing] 122 00:08:08,187 --> 00:08:10,188 [Cathy] Oh... 123 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:12,991 You're okay... 124 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:16,328 He actually became sick and had to go into a nursing home. 125 00:08:18,865 --> 00:08:20,966 [eerie sound] 126 00:08:26,572 --> 00:08:28,707 We were gone for eight years. 127 00:08:28,709 --> 00:08:31,977 Eight years, that house stood like that. 128 00:08:31,979 --> 00:08:33,411 Like the day we just shut the door. 129 00:08:36,082 --> 00:08:40,185 [narrator] By 2018, Cathy's children are grown, 130 00:08:40,187 --> 00:08:42,621 and her marriage has ended. 131 00:08:42,623 --> 00:08:45,790 Health problems had forced her into early retirement, 132 00:08:45,792 --> 00:08:48,760 and taken a toll on her finances. 133 00:08:48,762 --> 00:08:52,197 Leaving her only one place to go. 134 00:08:56,168 --> 00:08:58,770 She returns to the Bergen house 135 00:08:58,772 --> 00:09:00,138 with her new boyfriend. 136 00:09:01,274 --> 00:09:02,440 Could be worse. 137 00:09:03,809 --> 00:09:05,010 Could it? 138 00:09:05,745 --> 00:09:07,412 Only one way to find out. 139 00:09:14,587 --> 00:09:15,954 [Cathy] During that time period, 140 00:09:15,956 --> 00:09:18,757 people had been breaking into the house, 141 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:21,126 because they realized it was empty, 142 00:09:21,128 --> 00:09:22,126 and it's off the road. 143 00:09:22,128 --> 00:09:25,063 Stealing antiques, dropping garbage off. 144 00:09:27,733 --> 00:09:29,334 I don't know where to start. 145 00:09:29,336 --> 00:09:31,770 Come on now, we're in this together. 146 00:09:31,772 --> 00:09:34,039 [Cathy] I just can't believe I had to move back here. 147 00:09:34,041 --> 00:09:36,241 I promised myself I'd never move back. 148 00:09:36,442 --> 00:09:37,842 You'll be okay. 149 00:09:37,844 --> 00:09:41,146 It'll be great, it'll... We'll make the best of it. 150 00:09:41,148 --> 00:09:44,082 - Well, I'm glad you're here with me. - Mmm. 151 00:09:44,450 --> 00:09:46,151 [Cathy] I didn't wanna be there. 152 00:09:46,786 --> 00:09:49,988 I didn't wanna be there, but I had to be there. 153 00:09:50,723 --> 00:09:53,959 The idea was that we would fix up the house, 154 00:09:53,961 --> 00:09:56,328 try to get it cleared, sell it, 155 00:09:56,896 --> 00:09:58,263 move on with our lives. 156 00:10:00,733 --> 00:10:03,101 [eerie music playing] 157 00:10:05,004 --> 00:10:07,105 The very first night, my boyfriend, 158 00:10:07,107 --> 00:10:09,140 he fell asleep rather quickly. 159 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:12,710 I was very nervous. 160 00:10:12,712 --> 00:10:15,380 - I got that old, familiar feeling. - [spirit panting] 161 00:10:16,148 --> 00:10:19,985 - [door creaking] - [object jangling] 162 00:10:24,790 --> 00:10:26,758 [spirit sobbing] 163 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,094 [jangling continues] 164 00:10:34,266 --> 00:10:36,201 [whispers] Hey. Wake up. 165 00:10:37,403 --> 00:10:38,970 Wake up! 166 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:39,971 [spirit] Please help me... 167 00:10:39,973 --> 00:10:42,374 [jangling continues] 168 00:10:43,809 --> 00:10:45,744 - [rattling] - [Cathy gasps] 169 00:10:45,746 --> 00:10:47,145 [Cathy's boyfriend groans] 170 00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:48,980 What's wrong? What happened? 171 00:10:49,715 --> 00:10:51,249 Look... 172 00:10:54,020 --> 00:10:57,389 It brought back all of those fears I had as a kid. 173 00:10:57,391 --> 00:11:01,092 [spirit crying] 174 00:11:06,866 --> 00:11:08,900 - [rattling] - [Cathy gasps] 175 00:11:08,902 --> 00:11:10,068 [Cathy's boyfriend groans] 176 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:11,202 What happened? 177 00:11:12,104 --> 00:11:13,171 Look... 178 00:11:18,411 --> 00:11:19,944 [gasps] 179 00:11:22,081 --> 00:11:23,415 [spirit] Please help me... 180 00:11:26,452 --> 00:11:28,520 [Cathy] It was like it got to the end of the bed 181 00:11:28,522 --> 00:11:31,222 and it would just disappeared, it was just gone. 182 00:11:33,025 --> 00:11:35,960 Sorry, Cath, but I'm not sleeping in this bed. 183 00:11:35,962 --> 00:11:37,395 [Cathy stammering] 184 00:11:37,397 --> 00:11:38,963 Air mattress. Living room. 185 00:11:38,965 --> 00:11:40,899 I'm not sleeping in this house. 186 00:11:40,966 --> 00:11:42,067 What? 187 00:11:44,003 --> 00:11:45,370 Come with me, Cath. 188 00:11:49,842 --> 00:11:51,076 Or don't. 189 00:11:51,744 --> 00:11:53,144 I just can't. 190 00:11:56,849 --> 00:11:59,350 [coat hangers jangling] 191 00:12:05,958 --> 00:12:07,959 [Cathy] I did feel like this might be a mistake, 192 00:12:07,961 --> 00:12:09,961 moving back into this house. 193 00:12:11,530 --> 00:12:13,431 But yet, that was my family home. 194 00:12:13,433 --> 00:12:17,836 When I thought about home as a kid, that was what I thought of. 195 00:12:17,838 --> 00:12:21,306 So, even though I was terrified, that was also my comfort. 196 00:12:34,553 --> 00:12:37,956 Give your mom a hug! Oh! 197 00:12:37,958 --> 00:12:39,924 - Thanks for coming, sweetheart. - Hey, Mom. 198 00:12:39,926 --> 00:12:41,126 You remember Justin? 199 00:12:41,128 --> 00:12:44,028 Justin, so good to see you. 200 00:12:44,030 --> 00:12:45,697 I'd say pardon the mess, 201 00:12:45,699 --> 00:12:47,966 but it is way too far gone for that. 202 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:49,434 So, what do you think? 203 00:12:49,902 --> 00:12:52,203 Can we salvage this wreck? 204 00:12:52,205 --> 00:12:54,773 [Cathy] Justin is a good, good family friend. 205 00:12:54,775 --> 00:12:56,608 Out of the kindness of his heart, 206 00:12:56,610 --> 00:13:00,078 he volunteered to help us try to clean it up a little bit. 207 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,680 It's gonna take a lot of work, but, yeah. 208 00:13:02,682 --> 00:13:04,783 It's under there somewhere. 209 00:13:04,785 --> 00:13:08,019 Well, let me show you around before you get too optimistic. 210 00:13:08,021 --> 00:13:09,187 [all chuckling] 211 00:13:17,163 --> 00:13:18,396 You okay? 212 00:13:19,665 --> 00:13:21,599 Yeah, I just... 213 00:13:21,601 --> 00:13:24,169 Feel like someone walked across my grave or something. 214 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:29,107 It was definitely a warm day when I walked in. 215 00:13:29,742 --> 00:13:33,178 And I walked in and felt a chill. 216 00:13:33,180 --> 00:13:36,147 It just kinda sent hairs up my spine a little bit. 217 00:13:37,249 --> 00:13:39,017 Keep an open mind. 218 00:13:39,852 --> 00:13:41,352 It's a strange old house. 219 00:13:41,354 --> 00:13:42,320 What do you mean? 220 00:13:45,925 --> 00:13:47,425 Make yourself useful. 221 00:13:47,526 --> 00:13:49,427 Always doing something here. 222 00:13:55,734 --> 00:13:59,604 [narrator] After a full day of sifting through years of debris, 223 00:13:59,606 --> 00:14:02,473 Justin and Max settle in for the night. 224 00:14:02,475 --> 00:14:06,077 - [exhales] I'm done, man. - Yeah, me too. 225 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:08,446 - Hey, you crash upstairs, I'll take the couch. - Cool. 226 00:14:17,256 --> 00:14:19,424 [eerie music playing] 227 00:14:32,171 --> 00:14:34,172 [groans] 228 00:14:39,445 --> 00:14:43,982 [narrator] Justin Morrison was told that he's staying at a strange old house. 229 00:14:43,984 --> 00:14:49,053 But nothing could have prepared him for what he encounters upstairs. 230 00:14:50,856 --> 00:14:52,190 [groans] 231 00:14:54,927 --> 00:14:57,395 [groans] 232 00:14:57,397 --> 00:14:59,964 It just kinda sent hairs up my spine a little bit, 233 00:14:59,966 --> 00:15:03,034 and it was like someone put their hand on me, 234 00:15:03,036 --> 00:15:05,370 and just fully extended their arm. 235 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:09,374 - Dude, are you okay? - Yeah. I think so. 236 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:15,747 I felt the initial fall of when my butt hit the stairs, 237 00:15:15,749 --> 00:15:19,784 I remember my head hitting, but I don't... I didn't... 238 00:15:19,786 --> 00:15:22,120 There was no pain. My head didn't hurt. 239 00:15:23,022 --> 00:15:24,522 - Did you see anybody? - No. 240 00:15:24,524 --> 00:15:27,191 [Justin] It was like bouncing your head off of a mattress. 241 00:15:34,466 --> 00:15:36,968 I can't explain it other than whatever it was, 242 00:15:36,970 --> 00:15:39,871 didn't want me to get hurt. They just didn't want me there. 243 00:15:39,873 --> 00:15:41,306 They didn't want me upstairs. 244 00:15:42,841 --> 00:15:45,376 Something dark is definitely up there. 245 00:15:46,245 --> 00:15:48,313 I slept in the living room. 246 00:15:50,749 --> 00:15:54,886 [narrator] In the morning, Justin tells Cathy about his experience in the house. 247 00:15:54,953 --> 00:15:58,022 Hey, boys. Here you go. 248 00:15:58,024 --> 00:15:59,991 - Thanks, Mom. - [Justin] Thank you. 249 00:16:00,359 --> 00:16:01,426 Miss Cathy... 250 00:16:03,662 --> 00:16:05,997 You know how you said to give this house a chance? 251 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:09,267 - Yeah. - I think I know what you meant. 252 00:16:11,036 --> 00:16:12,236 Something happen? 253 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:14,572 Yeah. 254 00:16:18,711 --> 00:16:20,411 [Cathy] I let him tell me his story. 255 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:23,181 I let him know that I believed him. 256 00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:25,850 There I was, like, "So, I'm mad?" 257 00:16:25,852 --> 00:16:28,186 She's like, "No, you're not crazy, no." 258 00:16:29,254 --> 00:16:33,057 Have you ever... seen anything? 259 00:16:34,426 --> 00:16:35,360 Yes. 260 00:16:37,229 --> 00:16:38,329 I mean, as a kid. 261 00:16:38,931 --> 00:16:44,068 I saw a lot, there was crazy stuff that happened. 262 00:16:45,270 --> 00:16:47,405 Dad told me not to talk about it ever, so... 263 00:16:49,108 --> 00:16:51,309 Yes. A lot. 264 00:16:52,911 --> 00:16:56,114 I asked, "Who are they?" She goes, "I'm not really sure who they are." 265 00:16:56,882 --> 00:16:58,082 Do you know what they want? 266 00:16:59,251 --> 00:17:00,351 No. 267 00:17:02,321 --> 00:17:05,356 I have never really thought about what they want. 268 00:17:07,826 --> 00:17:10,595 [narrator] Cathy decides it is time to seek definite answers 269 00:17:10,597 --> 00:17:14,499 about who or what is haunting her house. 270 00:17:14,501 --> 00:17:18,936 [Cathy] We had a neighbor. He suggested, you know, you meet this woman, 271 00:17:18,938 --> 00:17:22,273 she can enlighten you on some of the other things that are going on there. 272 00:17:22,275 --> 00:17:24,442 'Cause Janet is a psychic medium. 273 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,982 The original house was built in 1858, 274 00:17:30,984 --> 00:17:32,984 but most of the rooms were added 275 00:17:32,986 --> 00:17:35,086 in the 1880s and 1930s. 276 00:17:55,641 --> 00:17:57,241 What is it, Dad? 277 00:18:04,016 --> 00:18:06,417 [Cathy] I didn't tell her anything about the garden, 278 00:18:06,419 --> 00:18:08,419 and she just stopped. 279 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:13,291 She stopped in the exact spot my father dug up that body. 280 00:18:14,927 --> 00:18:16,394 Something happened here. 281 00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:21,632 I had a feeling of... death. 282 00:18:21,634 --> 00:18:24,969 I had felt there was a woman back there 283 00:18:24,971 --> 00:18:28,372 that had been killed on the property, and had been buried. 284 00:18:33,745 --> 00:18:35,313 [creaking] 285 00:18:42,821 --> 00:18:46,257 And she goes, "There's people buried on this property." 286 00:18:47,860 --> 00:18:50,161 And I said, "Yes, I think so." 287 00:18:56,835 --> 00:18:58,102 Can we go in there? 288 00:18:58,570 --> 00:19:00,004 [nervously] Of course. 289 00:19:17,856 --> 00:19:21,058 When I entered the barn, I got a feeling, 290 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:26,497 overwhelming feeling of fear and dread, and sadness. 291 00:19:26,499 --> 00:19:29,100 [eerie music playing] 292 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:50,087 Being a mother, I could feel that feeling of being pregnant. 293 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:55,993 [crashing] 294 00:19:59,431 --> 00:20:05,836 And that's when I saw the woman hanging from the rafters in the barn. 295 00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:07,104 [creaking] 296 00:20:13,412 --> 00:20:15,012 I know what happened here. 297 00:20:16,848 --> 00:20:18,182 A woman took her own life. 298 00:20:27,726 --> 00:20:29,961 [crickets chirping] 299 00:20:37,469 --> 00:20:40,605 [narrator] Janet decides to conduct an investigation 300 00:20:40,607 --> 00:20:45,409 to see if she can calm the restless spirit lurking in Cathy's barn. 301 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:50,982 She has her friend D.J., a paranormal investigator, join her. 302 00:20:51,717 --> 00:20:54,418 Is there someone here who wishes to communicate? 303 00:20:55,487 --> 00:20:57,955 [Cathy] We were actually out there one night, 304 00:20:58,957 --> 00:21:01,659 and we were actually going to try to cross over 305 00:21:01,661 --> 00:21:04,128 the spirit of the woman that hung herself. 306 00:21:04,863 --> 00:21:07,198 I'm reaching out to the woman who died here. 307 00:21:08,934 --> 00:21:11,035 I know what happened to you. 308 00:21:13,972 --> 00:21:16,207 Can you help me understand why? 309 00:21:22,481 --> 00:21:24,048 [Cathy] I glanced over at her, 310 00:21:24,050 --> 00:21:26,617 and I instantly knew something was wrong with her. 311 00:21:26,619 --> 00:21:29,287 [suspenseful music playing] 312 00:21:39,698 --> 00:21:43,034 [narrator] In the barn behind Cathy Heglund's house, 313 00:21:43,036 --> 00:21:46,904 psychic medium, Janet Toal, makes contact 314 00:21:46,906 --> 00:21:48,406 with a restless spirit. 315 00:21:48,408 --> 00:21:51,275 [suspenseful music playing] 316 00:22:01,553 --> 00:22:04,288 [Cathy] I saw someone behind her. 317 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:08,826 It was like their face was coming through her face. 318 00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:12,396 It was almost like they were pushing through her from the back. 319 00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:18,302 Janet, are you okay? Can you hear me? 320 00:22:19,971 --> 00:22:21,238 [camera shutter clicks] 321 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:28,779 Janet... Janet... Janet! 322 00:22:28,814 --> 00:22:30,748 Janet. 323 00:22:30,750 --> 00:22:32,650 I called to her, and she wasn't responding. 324 00:22:32,684 --> 00:22:34,719 Can you hear me now? 325 00:22:34,721 --> 00:22:37,088 I was, like, "Janet," you know, a little bit louder. 326 00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:40,358 Yeah. What was that? 327 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,894 I just remember, kind of, feeling dazed. 328 00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:46,997 Like, uh, sort of, out of it. 329 00:22:46,999 --> 00:22:48,232 I got something here. 330 00:22:49,434 --> 00:22:50,701 Look at this. 331 00:22:54,573 --> 00:23:01,212 Come to find out, after reviewing the video and the pictures, 332 00:23:01,214 --> 00:23:05,549 uh, there was a spirit that had stepped inside of my body. 333 00:23:05,551 --> 00:23:09,353 [Cathy] You could actually see another face over the top of hers. 334 00:23:10,589 --> 00:23:15,826 It's a very creepy photo, because in the photo 335 00:23:15,828 --> 00:23:17,928 the face that's turned to look at you, 336 00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:20,264 the eyes are completely black. 337 00:23:27,806 --> 00:23:31,308 The woman who died here, she needs our help. 338 00:23:32,978 --> 00:23:34,144 [whispers] Okay. 339 00:23:36,882 --> 00:23:39,717 [narrator] Cathy reaches out to a local historian, 340 00:23:39,719 --> 00:23:43,988 in hopes of identifying the woman who died in her barn. 341 00:23:47,325 --> 00:23:50,094 [Cathy] The town historian is the one that told us 342 00:23:50,096 --> 00:23:53,330 about the woman who hung herself in the barn, Katherine. 343 00:23:54,199 --> 00:23:55,299 I'm with child. 344 00:23:58,203 --> 00:23:59,436 With your child. 345 00:24:01,773 --> 00:24:06,744 Come to find out that this young girl actually had an affair 346 00:24:06,746 --> 00:24:11,782 with one of the married justices of the peace at the time. 347 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:13,951 And when he found out she was pregnant, 348 00:24:13,953 --> 00:24:16,821 he broke off the relationship. 349 00:24:16,823 --> 00:24:18,189 - You want my counsel? - Hmm. 350 00:24:19,090 --> 00:24:20,224 End it. 351 00:24:22,427 --> 00:24:23,861 Be rid of it. 352 00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:31,035 [Cathy] To be an unmarried young woman, pregnant... 353 00:24:31,037 --> 00:24:33,103 No, her whole life was over with. 354 00:24:35,106 --> 00:24:37,374 [gasping] 355 00:24:57,829 --> 00:24:59,129 [stool crashes] 356 00:25:02,767 --> 00:25:04,401 [creaking] 357 00:25:10,842 --> 00:25:13,477 Her family wouldn't help or anything. 358 00:25:13,479 --> 00:25:16,981 They would turn their back on you, back in those days, you know. 359 00:25:16,983 --> 00:25:20,351 So, she became very despondent, and took her life. 360 00:25:20,353 --> 00:25:21,785 [creaking] 361 00:25:23,822 --> 00:25:26,290 [narrator] Because of the aggressive nature of the hauntings, 362 00:25:26,292 --> 00:25:30,861 Cathy invites investigator and psychic, Tim Shaw, 363 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:35,232 to help get answers to the questions that have plagued her since childhood. 364 00:25:36,134 --> 00:25:38,135 Oh, come in. 365 00:25:41,373 --> 00:25:44,675 - You must be Cathy. - Mr. Shaw. 366 00:25:44,677 --> 00:25:51,649 Janet knew Reverend Tim Shaw, and she mentioned the house to him. 367 00:25:51,651 --> 00:25:55,486 And he wanted to come see it for himself and experience it for himself. 368 00:25:55,488 --> 00:25:58,956 Let me see. What can I tell you? 369 00:25:58,958 --> 00:26:02,493 If you don't mind, I'd like to take a walk around the house first, myself. 370 00:26:02,495 --> 00:26:07,431 Whenever I go to a "haunted house," 371 00:26:07,433 --> 00:26:10,801 I'll do a cold walk, which means I wanna go 372 00:26:10,803 --> 00:26:12,970 and I wanna read the energy in the house. 373 00:26:12,972 --> 00:26:14,638 I wanna get impressions. 374 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,540 I wanna go in every single room. 375 00:26:16,542 --> 00:26:19,643 I want the house to tell me what's going on. 376 00:26:19,645 --> 00:26:23,347 - Of course. Let me know if you need anything. - Thank you. 377 00:26:31,356 --> 00:26:34,224 I'm standing in the home of Cathy Heglund. 378 00:26:38,897 --> 00:26:43,767 I'm kinda looking around, and I got, like, a sick feeling in my solar plexus. 379 00:26:43,769 --> 00:26:46,136 And the first thing that you learn about, 380 00:26:46,138 --> 00:26:48,405 if you work with exorcists or demonologists, 381 00:26:50,075 --> 00:26:53,944 if you get a little butterfly in your solar plexus, 382 00:26:53,946 --> 00:26:57,081 that usually means there's something that's not real happy that you're there. 383 00:27:02,554 --> 00:27:03,621 [eerie sound] 384 00:27:06,391 --> 00:27:09,693 I was walking up the stairs, and I got about halfway, 385 00:27:09,695 --> 00:27:11,862 and I got a gentle push, 386 00:27:11,864 --> 00:27:14,999 felt it, like, right in my chest, centralized, 387 00:27:15,001 --> 00:27:18,202 like somebody had just put their hand out, said "Stop." 388 00:27:18,903 --> 00:27:20,404 There is definitely something here. 389 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,407 It's stronger on the second floor. 390 00:27:32,083 --> 00:27:33,217 Ow! 391 00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:35,519 [groans] 392 00:27:35,521 --> 00:27:37,721 And I was, like, "What the hell did I hit? 393 00:27:37,723 --> 00:27:39,990 What did I... Was there something here?" 394 00:27:40,058 --> 00:27:42,159 [breathing heavily] 395 00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:49,266 [suspenseful music playing] 396 00:27:59,411 --> 00:28:01,211 I'm in the upstairs bedroom. 397 00:28:03,114 --> 00:28:04,748 Whatever attacked me on the stairs, 398 00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:06,150 seems to have backed off. 399 00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:13,424 I went to the back window, 400 00:28:13,426 --> 00:28:15,359 and I looked out, and I'm looking into the swamp. 401 00:28:18,897 --> 00:28:21,265 [eerie music playing] 402 00:28:28,973 --> 00:28:31,642 [narrator] Paranormal investigator, Tim Shaw, 403 00:28:31,644 --> 00:28:33,811 has encountered the dark entity 404 00:28:33,813 --> 00:28:35,979 haunting Cathy Heglund's home. 405 00:28:45,924 --> 00:28:47,357 I'm not afraid of you. 406 00:28:48,626 --> 00:28:50,961 And you can't hide from me. 407 00:28:55,567 --> 00:28:57,801 [narrator] Tim Shaw's experience gives him an idea 408 00:28:57,803 --> 00:29:00,104 about the cause of the haunting. 409 00:29:01,806 --> 00:29:06,210 We know that water plays an important part 410 00:29:06,511 --> 00:29:10,881 in amplifying psychic phenomena. 411 00:29:10,883 --> 00:29:15,886 That primordial swamp predates European occupation of the area. 412 00:29:15,888 --> 00:29:21,525 That tells you that, that swamp has a lot of energy to it. 413 00:29:21,527 --> 00:29:25,162 So I believe that that is what's powering whatever's in the house. 414 00:29:27,932 --> 00:29:29,600 I immediately thought to myself, 415 00:29:29,602 --> 00:29:34,571 "This would be a great location to attempt a seance." 416 00:29:34,573 --> 00:29:37,674 If it was done correctly, done safely, 417 00:29:37,676 --> 00:29:40,778 that we could go and we could contact something. 418 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:43,680 Get some kind of two-way communication going. 419 00:29:43,682 --> 00:29:47,251 Uh, because it just felt that the house was alive. 420 00:29:51,656 --> 00:29:55,425 [narrator] Cathy recruits a team of paranormal investigators, 421 00:29:55,427 --> 00:29:58,362 including researcher and psychic medium, Rob Thompson, 422 00:29:58,364 --> 00:30:02,332 and his assistant, Renata, to help with the seance. 423 00:30:05,537 --> 00:30:09,139 [Rob] From the moment we arrived, I felt that we were being observed. 424 00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:13,944 And immediately, I felt that there were multiple spirits there 425 00:30:13,946 --> 00:30:15,212 who needed our help. 426 00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:16,980 Let's get started. 427 00:30:16,982 --> 00:30:18,081 Right. 428 00:30:26,858 --> 00:30:29,059 [suspenseful music playing] 429 00:30:42,941 --> 00:30:44,107 Everybody ready? 430 00:30:44,142 --> 00:30:45,409 Yes. 431 00:30:46,010 --> 00:30:46,877 [Renata whispers] Okay. 432 00:30:46,879 --> 00:30:49,146 There's several ways of doing a seance. 433 00:30:50,081 --> 00:30:53,217 But every seance is almost the same. 434 00:30:54,185 --> 00:30:56,220 You start off with a prayer. 435 00:30:58,289 --> 00:31:00,257 We ask for your protection, 436 00:31:00,259 --> 00:31:02,693 for all those within this circle tonight. 437 00:31:02,695 --> 00:31:06,830 Help us to raise our energy to communicate with the spirits here. 438 00:31:06,832 --> 00:31:11,702 You can really raise the vibration enough to give them enough energy 439 00:31:11,704 --> 00:31:14,771 to be able to move things, do things. 440 00:31:14,773 --> 00:31:18,308 It can get pretty intense during a seance. 441 00:31:20,178 --> 00:31:23,146 Is there someone out there who'd like to communicate with us? 442 00:31:29,621 --> 00:31:30,654 Damn it. 443 00:31:35,159 --> 00:31:37,628 [Rob] Our equipment was starting to drain. 444 00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:42,866 Brand new batteries that'd just been fully charged, even the disposable ones. 445 00:31:42,868 --> 00:31:48,972 Boom. It's a sign that spirit is willing to come forward, 446 00:31:48,974 --> 00:31:50,440 and is using energy. 447 00:31:54,913 --> 00:31:56,246 Okay. Good to go. 448 00:31:57,916 --> 00:32:01,118 We are here to help you. Make your presence known to us. 449 00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:06,256 The energy is building. 450 00:32:08,393 --> 00:32:13,163 All of a sudden, the table-- You could feel the vibrations coming up through the table. 451 00:32:13,165 --> 00:32:15,966 Right through the table, as such, you could just feel... 452 00:32:16,100 --> 00:32:17,234 [Cathy gasps] 453 00:32:21,272 --> 00:32:23,240 I can't believe I'm seeing this. 454 00:32:24,876 --> 00:32:28,946 It was the first seance I had ever experienced first hand. 455 00:32:29,881 --> 00:32:33,150 The table was actually off the ground. 456 00:32:34,719 --> 00:32:36,687 [Janet] The table levitated off the floor 457 00:32:36,689 --> 00:32:38,288 and was shaking back and forth. 458 00:32:38,290 --> 00:32:41,959 And it was just incredible. 459 00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:46,229 It went up and stayed there for, I don't know, three, four, five seconds. 460 00:32:47,065 --> 00:32:49,199 - [table rattling] - [Cathy gasps] 461 00:32:49,968 --> 00:32:51,301 I felt something behind me. 462 00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:54,404 It was... nasty. 463 00:32:54,406 --> 00:32:57,975 And then, you could feel, just the energy, just drop. 464 00:32:57,977 --> 00:33:00,010 - [thud] - [Cathy gasps] 465 00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:07,317 And it was over. It was done. 466 00:33:08,753 --> 00:33:10,354 Damn it. Again? 467 00:33:13,624 --> 00:33:17,227 I think I need some air. [breathing heavily] 468 00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:26,803 Okay. Let's give it a few minutes. 469 00:33:26,805 --> 00:33:28,071 And we'll try again. 470 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,047 [Renata sighs] 471 00:33:37,049 --> 00:33:39,316 [narrator] When the investigators regroup, 472 00:33:39,318 --> 00:33:42,319 Janet Toal leads the seance. 473 00:33:44,722 --> 00:33:48,025 I am reaching out to the young woman who died on this property. 474 00:33:50,895 --> 00:33:53,030 Katherine, can you hear me? 475 00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:56,400 [crying] 476 00:33:57,802 --> 00:33:59,469 [Janet] As the seance was going on, 477 00:33:59,471 --> 00:34:02,839 one of the participants started crying uncontrollably. 478 00:34:02,841 --> 00:34:07,077 She just-- was wailing and we couldn't get her to stop. 479 00:34:07,578 --> 00:34:10,180 - Are you there? - [Renata continues crying] 480 00:34:13,718 --> 00:34:18,989 For me, a seance is giving spirit, like, a giant antenna. 481 00:34:18,991 --> 00:34:21,892 Sometimes things can go awry. 482 00:34:21,894 --> 00:34:26,129 Sometimes people can break the circle, out of fear. 483 00:34:27,665 --> 00:34:29,299 Everyone, keep holding hands. 484 00:34:31,369 --> 00:34:35,639 I looked over and I saw in my mind's eye, 485 00:34:35,641 --> 00:34:39,676 that Katherine, the woman who had hung herself in the barn, 486 00:34:39,678 --> 00:34:43,947 had stepped in too close to her and was making her cry. 487 00:34:46,851 --> 00:34:48,919 Katherine, listen to my voice. 488 00:34:48,921 --> 00:34:50,554 [Renata continues crying] 489 00:34:50,556 --> 00:34:53,690 I need you to step away from the circle. 490 00:34:53,692 --> 00:34:57,894 [Janet] I had to ask her if she could please step back from her. 491 00:34:57,896 --> 00:34:59,963 You know, that she wasn't allowed to be that close. 492 00:34:59,965 --> 00:35:01,698 That you could communicate with us, 493 00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:04,034 but she wasn't allowed to be that close to the woman. 494 00:35:04,036 --> 00:35:05,702 And as soon as she stepped back, 495 00:35:05,704 --> 00:35:07,871 the woman just completely stopped crying. 496 00:35:07,873 --> 00:35:08,905 That was it. She was done. 497 00:35:08,907 --> 00:35:11,208 And she didn't know what was happening. 498 00:35:14,412 --> 00:35:16,413 [Cathy] I was sitting in the front room, 499 00:35:16,415 --> 00:35:20,717 and I felt the dark presence come into the room. 500 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,352 I could feel the anger. 501 00:35:25,089 --> 00:35:28,091 There is something in here with us. 502 00:35:31,195 --> 00:35:33,363 [suspenseful music playing] 503 00:35:37,068 --> 00:35:38,201 What is it? 504 00:35:40,905 --> 00:35:41,972 It's him. 505 00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:47,811 We could feel this rush of negative energy come in. 506 00:35:47,813 --> 00:35:49,045 [Renata gasping] 507 00:36:07,231 --> 00:36:11,201 [screeching] 508 00:36:13,070 --> 00:36:15,138 [growling] 509 00:36:17,542 --> 00:36:20,110 [breathing heavily] 510 00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:24,814 [narrator] During the seance at the Bergen house, 511 00:36:24,816 --> 00:36:28,852 investigator, Rob Thompson, becomes a vessel with the dark entity. 512 00:36:28,854 --> 00:36:31,288 [gurgling] 513 00:36:34,825 --> 00:36:36,993 [screeching] 514 00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:41,064 [growling] 515 00:36:44,635 --> 00:36:45,969 Again! 516 00:36:49,740 --> 00:36:53,777 At some point, I blacked out. 517 00:36:53,779 --> 00:36:58,014 I have no connection with what is going on. 518 00:36:58,816 --> 00:37:00,016 I had no control. 519 00:37:00,918 --> 00:37:03,119 [growling] 520 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:08,058 It was very aggressive energy from that spirit. 521 00:37:08,060 --> 00:37:11,094 And he definitely was trying to intimidate. 522 00:37:13,197 --> 00:37:14,331 Who are you? 523 00:37:16,167 --> 00:37:17,400 Tell me your name. 524 00:37:18,936 --> 00:37:21,271 [screeching] 525 00:37:25,009 --> 00:37:28,245 [spirit growling] Who are you? 526 00:37:30,982 --> 00:37:34,150 [Janet] I'm not afraid of you at all. 527 00:37:34,852 --> 00:37:37,087 I never will be, either. 528 00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:42,158 [spirit laughing maniacally] 529 00:37:48,132 --> 00:37:50,200 Now I know who you are. 530 00:37:51,669 --> 00:37:54,037 [screeching] 531 00:37:54,839 --> 00:37:57,407 That was me, showing the confidence 532 00:37:57,409 --> 00:37:59,376 that I can't be intimidated by him. 533 00:38:00,878 --> 00:38:03,146 [screeching] 534 00:38:14,191 --> 00:38:16,293 [Rob breathing heavily] 535 00:38:17,528 --> 00:38:18,962 Rob? 536 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:23,900 - Are you back with us? - [breathes heavily] 537 00:38:23,902 --> 00:38:30,073 You could tell that this man who was in the seance with us, he just came out of it. 538 00:38:31,008 --> 00:38:32,409 Is he gone? 539 00:38:32,411 --> 00:38:35,045 Yes... for now. 540 00:38:36,414 --> 00:38:39,749 His whole purpose was to make us afraid. 541 00:38:39,751 --> 00:38:42,385 And when somebody stood up to him, 542 00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:45,355 he lost that power and he left. 543 00:38:46,123 --> 00:38:48,358 [Rob breathing heavily] 544 00:38:56,067 --> 00:38:57,200 The seance is over. 545 00:39:00,404 --> 00:39:01,971 Thank you. 546 00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:05,375 [Rob breathing heavily] 547 00:39:09,613 --> 00:39:12,048 [narrator] With the seance concluded, 548 00:39:12,050 --> 00:39:15,985 the investigators give Cathy what she has long awaited... 549 00:39:16,087 --> 00:39:17,320 Answers. 550 00:39:17,722 --> 00:39:20,323 Tim... thank you. 551 00:39:21,659 --> 00:39:23,860 You have a very active house. 552 00:39:23,862 --> 00:39:27,931 Hopefully, it'll quiet down, but with the swamp, I doubt it. 553 00:39:27,933 --> 00:39:30,233 I believe there's a young woman here from another time. 554 00:39:31,469 --> 00:39:33,136 Demure, quiet. 555 00:39:34,805 --> 00:39:37,107 Seems like she was in an abusive relationship. 556 00:39:37,942 --> 00:39:39,309 I hope she has found peace. 557 00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:41,344 Me, too. 558 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,749 [Katherine] You told me that you loved me. 559 00:39:45,751 --> 00:39:49,018 I see now that you are incapable of loving anyone. 560 00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:53,089 You are a monster. 561 00:39:53,091 --> 00:39:55,992 And I hope that you are damned in hell. 562 00:39:55,994 --> 00:39:58,328 [crows cawing] 563 00:40:01,132 --> 00:40:02,699 And you have a male spirit, 564 00:40:02,701 --> 00:40:06,236 who feels dark, punitive, cruel. 565 00:40:12,176 --> 00:40:15,011 The darker guy, the darker spirit personality, 566 00:40:15,379 --> 00:40:17,180 [grunts] 567 00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:19,616 I believe that he is someone who has lived in the house. 568 00:40:19,618 --> 00:40:21,985 He feels as if, he's part of that house. 569 00:40:21,987 --> 00:40:27,090 And I believe that he was somebody that was just unbelievably stern. 570 00:40:27,092 --> 00:40:29,993 He ruled by having an iron fist. 571 00:40:30,694 --> 00:40:32,362 Uh, women had no rights. 572 00:40:33,898 --> 00:40:35,432 I don't like you sharing a space with him. 573 00:40:37,935 --> 00:40:39,035 Be careful, Cathy. 574 00:40:42,106 --> 00:40:43,106 Cathy, uh... 575 00:40:43,741 --> 00:40:46,176 [chuckles] Good luck with this place. 576 00:40:46,178 --> 00:40:48,411 [chuckles] I'm afraid you might need it. 577 00:40:50,581 --> 00:40:54,017 I feel we did good work while we were there. 578 00:40:54,019 --> 00:40:57,253 I feel that the energy changed, it shifted. 579 00:40:57,755 --> 00:40:59,155 But, honestly... 580 00:41:00,424 --> 00:41:03,426 I wouldn't go back there for all the tea in China. 581 00:41:03,428 --> 00:41:05,995 [crickets chirping] 582 00:41:05,997 --> 00:41:08,698 [Cathy] I started to talk to my father a little bit, 583 00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:11,768 about the spirit activity in that house. 584 00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:14,871 And about why he would never let us tell anybody 585 00:41:14,873 --> 00:41:16,573 about things when we were kids. 586 00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:21,678 And I told him I wanna know why this place is so haunted. 587 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:27,150 And why we had to grow up... the way we grew up. 588 00:41:27,152 --> 00:41:29,419 Experiencing those things. [sniffles] 589 00:41:31,255 --> 00:41:33,756 And he agreed with me. [sniffles] 590 00:41:33,758 --> 00:41:35,391 That we needed to find out why. 591 00:41:36,227 --> 00:41:37,794 [crickets chirping] 592 00:41:37,796 --> 00:41:43,032 I've kinda told myself that the spirits in the house, they're people. 593 00:41:44,435 --> 00:41:48,404 They're part of my family, whether I like it or not. 594 00:41:48,406 --> 00:41:50,640 I talk out loud to my ghosts sometimes, and I said, 595 00:41:50,642 --> 00:41:54,277 "You know, like me or not, we're in this together." 596 00:41:56,046 --> 00:41:58,381 And we can either get along or we don't have to get along.