1 00:00:03,460 --> 00:00:05,460 ADRIAN BOWER: The incident room is the heart 2 00:00:05,500 --> 00:00:05,860 ADRIAN BOWER: The incident room is the heart 3 00:00:05,900 --> 00:00:07,900 of any major police inquiry... 4 00:00:07,940 --> 00:00:08,700 of any major police inquiry... 5 00:00:08,740 --> 00:00:10,740 {\an8}I am going to leave absolutely no stone unturned. 6 00:00:10,780 --> 00:00:12,780 {\an8}I am going to leave absolutely no stone unturned. 7 00:00:12,820 --> 00:00:13,100 {\an8}I am going to leave absolutely no stone unturned. 8 00:00:13,140 --> 00:00:15,140 Vicious attack, stabbed multiple times. 9 00:00:15,180 --> 00:00:15,420 Vicious attack, stabbed multiple times. 10 00:00:15,460 --> 00:00:17,140 He doesn't stand a chance. 11 00:00:17,180 --> 00:00:19,060 ..a place where evidence is gathered... 12 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:21,020 ON PHONE:'I saw the car. I saw the gun.' 13 00:00:22,500 --> 00:00:24,500 {\an8}We had DNA. We had blood at the scene. 14 00:00:24,540 --> 00:00:25,180 {\an8}We had DNA. We had blood at the scene. 15 00:00:25,220 --> 00:00:26,780 The evidence was overwhelming. 16 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:30,340 ..suspects identified... 17 00:00:30,380 --> 00:00:32,380 In my view, he was the last person to see Jaden alive. 18 00:00:32,420 --> 00:00:33,300 In my view, he was the last person to see Jaden alive. 19 00:00:33,340 --> 00:00:34,380 SHOUTING 20 00:00:34,420 --> 00:00:36,260 Coming after them, we're now on a manhunt. 21 00:00:36,300 --> 00:00:38,300 Keep your hands out, all right? I've got a Taser, OK? 22 00:00:38,340 --> 00:00:38,740 Keep your hands out, all right? I've got a Taser, OK? 23 00:00:38,780 --> 00:00:40,780 ..murderers interrogated... 24 00:00:40,820 --> 00:00:40,980 ..murderers interrogated... 25 00:00:45,340 --> 00:00:47,060 He's involved not only in her disappearance 26 00:00:47,100 --> 00:00:48,300 but her murder as well. 27 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:50,340 ..and cold-blooded killers brought to justice. 28 00:00:50,380 --> 00:00:51,060 ..and cold-blooded killers brought to justice. 29 00:00:51,100 --> 00:00:53,100 £1,500 to travel from Manchester to shoot somebody dead. 30 00:00:53,140 --> 00:00:55,140 £1,500 to travel from Manchester to shoot somebody dead. 31 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:55,740 £1,500 to travel from Manchester to shoot somebody dead. 32 00:00:55,780 --> 00:00:57,780 This is Murder Scene: The Incident Room. 33 00:00:57,820 --> 00:00:59,820 This is Murder Scene: The Incident Room. 34 00:00:59,860 --> 00:01:00,060 This is Murder Scene: The Incident Room. 35 00:01:05,540 --> 00:01:07,540 Tonight, a murder in an underpass... 36 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:09,060 Tonight, a murder in an underpass... 37 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:11,100 This is Tom Rogers, 60 years old. 38 00:01:11,140 --> 00:01:11,420 This is Tom Rogers, 60 years old. 39 00:01:11,460 --> 00:01:13,460 He was stabbed multiple times. 40 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:14,220 He was stabbed multiple times. 41 00:01:14,260 --> 00:01:16,260 I've got to catch this person before someone else loses their life. 42 00:01:16,300 --> 00:01:17,460 I've got to catch this person before someone else loses their life. 43 00:01:18,660 --> 00:01:20,660 ..and an attack in the same spot that leaves a woman for dead... 44 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:22,700 ..and an attack in the same spot that leaves a woman for dead... 45 00:01:22,740 --> 00:01:22,980 ..and an attack in the same spot that leaves a woman for dead... 46 00:01:23,020 --> 00:01:24,300 I've never known fear like it. 47 00:01:24,340 --> 00:01:26,340 I was just thinking about my friends and my family and thinking, 48 00:01:26,380 --> 00:01:26,860 I was just thinking about my friends and my family and thinking, 49 00:01:26,900 --> 00:01:28,900 "This could be it. This could be the end of it all, really." 50 00:01:28,940 --> 00:01:30,500 "This could be it. This could be the end of it all, really." 51 00:01:30,540 --> 00:01:32,540 ..has detectives fearing a serial killer is at work. 52 00:01:32,580 --> 00:01:34,500 ..has detectives fearing a serial killer is at work. 53 00:01:35,660 --> 00:01:37,660 It's not that many people who have the potential 54 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:38,140 It's not that many people who have the potential 55 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:40,180 to attack and then kill 56 00:01:40,220 --> 00:01:40,460 to attack and then kill 57 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:42,500 and then go on to become serial killers. 58 00:01:42,540 --> 00:01:42,820 and then go on to become serial killers. 59 00:01:42,860 --> 00:01:44,860 Can he be arrested before he strikes again? 60 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:46,580 Can he be arrested before he strikes again? 61 00:01:48,140 --> 00:01:49,620 SMASHING, CLATTERING 62 00:01:49,660 --> 00:01:51,660 SHOUTING Get down! 63 00:01:51,700 --> 00:01:51,900 SHOUTING Get down! 64 00:01:57,660 --> 00:01:59,660 SIRENS BLARE 65 00:01:59,700 --> 00:01:59,860 SIRENS BLARE 66 00:02:06,580 --> 00:02:08,300 REPORTER: An incident has been reported 67 00:02:08,340 --> 00:02:10,340 at an underpass off Station Road. 68 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:10,980 at an underpass off Station Road. 69 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:12,380 The area... 70 00:02:12,420 --> 00:02:14,420 REPORTER:Police are conducting searches and speaking to residents. 71 00:02:14,460 --> 00:02:15,620 REPORTER:Police are conducting searches and speaking to residents. 72 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:17,660 Reports suggest that a possible assault may have occurred. 73 00:02:17,700 --> 00:02:19,340 Reports suggest that a possible assault may have occurred. 74 00:02:21,260 --> 00:02:23,260 It's 2am on Friday the 27th of June, 2014. 75 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:25,300 It's 2am on Friday the 27th of June, 2014. 76 00:02:25,340 --> 00:02:25,820 It's 2am on Friday the 27th of June, 2014. 77 00:02:28,140 --> 00:02:30,140 Police are called after the body of a man 78 00:02:30,180 --> 00:02:30,780 Police are called after the body of a man 79 00:02:30,820 --> 00:02:32,820 is discovered by an underpass close to Swindon railway station. 80 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:34,660 is discovered by an underpass close to Swindon railway station. 81 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:35,980 SIRENS BLARE 82 00:02:37,780 --> 00:02:39,420 PHONE RINGS 83 00:02:39,460 --> 00:02:41,460 Detective Superintendent Sean Memory is brought in 84 00:02:41,500 --> 00:02:43,100 Detective Superintendent Sean Memory is brought in 85 00:02:43,140 --> 00:02:44,940 to lead the investigation. 86 00:02:48,380 --> 00:02:50,340 This is Tom Rogers, 60 years old, 87 00:02:50,380 --> 00:02:52,380 murdered, stabbed brutally multiple times. 88 00:02:52,420 --> 00:02:54,140 murdered, stabbed brutally multiple times. 89 00:02:54,180 --> 00:02:56,180 It's an absolute bloodbath. This was a prolonged attack. 90 00:02:56,220 --> 00:02:57,580 It's an absolute bloodbath. This was a prolonged attack. 91 00:02:59,380 --> 00:03:01,380 He was actually cycling home from a shift at a pub, 92 00:03:01,420 --> 00:03:01,860 He was actually cycling home from a shift at a pub, 93 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:03,260 going along this path here 94 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:05,300 from Swindon town centre to his home address. 95 00:03:05,340 --> 00:03:05,620 from Swindon town centre to his home address. 96 00:03:07,740 --> 00:03:09,740 We've got a really difficult case on our hands, 97 00:03:09,780 --> 00:03:10,060 We've got a really difficult case on our hands, 98 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:12,100 and it needs to be solved, it needs to be solved real quick. 99 00:03:12,140 --> 00:03:12,460 and it needs to be solved, it needs to be solved real quick. 100 00:03:16,540 --> 00:03:18,540 REPORTER:Wiltshire Police have launched a murder inquiry 101 00:03:18,580 --> 00:03:19,060 REPORTER:Wiltshire Police have launched a murder inquiry 102 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:21,100 after the body of Swindon man Tom Rogers 103 00:03:21,140 --> 00:03:21,420 after the body of Swindon man Tom Rogers 104 00:03:21,460 --> 00:03:23,460 was found brutally stabbed by an underpass 105 00:03:23,500 --> 00:03:23,740 was found brutally stabbed by an underpass 106 00:03:23,780 --> 00:03:25,780 near Station Road last night. 107 00:03:25,820 --> 00:03:25,980 near Station Road last night. 108 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:30,740 Sean pulls in a team of detectives and forensic experts 109 00:03:30,780 --> 00:03:32,220 Sean pulls in a team of detectives and forensic experts 110 00:03:32,260 --> 00:03:34,260 to survey the crime scene. 111 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:34,780 to survey the crime scene. 112 00:03:34,820 --> 00:03:36,820 The hunt for the killer is on before he or she can strike again. 113 00:03:36,860 --> 00:03:38,860 The hunt for the killer is on before he or she can strike again. 114 00:03:38,900 --> 00:03:39,900 The hunt for the killer is on before he or she can strike again. 115 00:03:43,140 --> 00:03:45,140 That first 24 hours on any murder investigation is so critical. 116 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:47,180 That first 24 hours on any murder investigation is so critical. 117 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:47,700 That first 24 hours on any murder investigation is so critical. 118 00:03:50,620 --> 00:03:52,620 When you're looking at a location like this here, 119 00:03:52,660 --> 00:03:52,940 When you're looking at a location like this here, 120 00:03:52,980 --> 00:03:54,980 where we know there's been a lot of robberies, 121 00:03:55,020 --> 00:03:55,540 where we know there's been a lot of robberies, 122 00:03:55,580 --> 00:03:57,580 and so then the question is, is it a robbery that's gone wrong? 123 00:03:57,620 --> 00:03:58,740 and so then the question is, is it a robbery that's gone wrong? 124 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:04,300 Just approaching the crime scene here, 125 00:04:04,340 --> 00:04:05,260 Just approaching the crime scene here, 126 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:07,300 and you get a bit of a feeling for what it's like now. 127 00:04:07,340 --> 00:04:08,780 and you get a bit of a feeling for what it's like now. 128 00:04:08,820 --> 00:04:10,820 Tom's just cycling home. You can imagine it, can't you? 129 00:04:10,860 --> 00:04:11,940 Tom's just cycling home. You can imagine it, can't you? 130 00:04:11,980 --> 00:04:13,980 Head down, not expecting 131 00:04:14,020 --> 00:04:14,260 Head down, not expecting 132 00:04:14,300 --> 00:04:16,300 that someone is then gonna leap out from here, 133 00:04:16,340 --> 00:04:17,020 that someone is then gonna leap out from here, 134 00:04:17,060 --> 00:04:19,060 knock him off his bike, and then... 135 00:04:19,100 --> 00:04:20,220 knock him off his bike, and then... 136 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:22,260 You know, it's a vicious attack, isn't it? 137 00:04:22,300 --> 00:04:22,580 You know, it's a vicious attack, isn't it? 138 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:24,620 He's savagely attacked, stabbed multiple times, 139 00:04:24,660 --> 00:04:26,220 He's savagely attacked, stabbed multiple times, 140 00:04:26,260 --> 00:04:28,260 and quite frankly, he doesn't stand a chance. 141 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:29,420 and quite frankly, he doesn't stand a chance. 142 00:04:32,020 --> 00:04:34,020 Tom Rogers sustained at least 20 stab wounds 143 00:04:34,060 --> 00:04:35,700 Tom Rogers sustained at least 20 stab wounds 144 00:04:35,740 --> 00:04:37,620 to his neck and throat. 145 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:40,900 With no weapon in sight, 146 00:04:40,940 --> 00:04:42,940 detectives turn their attention to the motive. 147 00:04:42,980 --> 00:04:44,140 detectives turn their attention to the motive. 148 00:04:46,220 --> 00:04:48,220 When you start on a case like this, you know, at the beginning, 149 00:04:48,260 --> 00:04:49,060 When you start on a case like this, you know, at the beginning, 150 00:04:49,100 --> 00:04:50,660 you're not going home anytime soon. 151 00:04:50,700 --> 00:04:52,700 It's gonna be long days, short nights of sleep, back early, 152 00:04:52,740 --> 00:04:54,740 It's gonna be long days, short nights of sleep, back early, 153 00:04:54,780 --> 00:04:55,860 It's gonna be long days, short nights of sleep, back early, 154 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:57,900 lots of pressure, huge impact on the community 155 00:04:57,940 --> 00:04:58,980 lots of pressure, huge impact on the community 156 00:04:59,020 --> 00:05:01,020 and a massive desire and will to find out who's responsible. 157 00:05:01,060 --> 00:05:03,060 and a massive desire and will to find out who's responsible. 158 00:05:03,100 --> 00:05:03,300 and a massive desire and will to find out who's responsible. 159 00:05:05,740 --> 00:05:07,740 Until the person's charged, it is gonna be a long haul, 160 00:05:07,780 --> 00:05:09,020 Until the person's charged, it is gonna be a long haul, 161 00:05:09,060 --> 00:05:10,660 but everyone signed up to that. 162 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:15,180 Locals call it "Muggers Alley", 163 00:05:15,220 --> 00:05:16,020 Locals call it "Muggers Alley", 164 00:05:16,060 --> 00:05:18,060 a path notorious for theft and violence. 165 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:19,260 a path notorious for theft and violence. 166 00:05:20,620 --> 00:05:22,620 But until now, no-one had ever been killed. 167 00:05:22,660 --> 00:05:24,660 But until now, no-one had ever been killed. 168 00:05:24,700 --> 00:05:25,020 But until now, no-one had ever been killed. 169 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:26,740 PHONE RINGS 170 00:05:27,900 --> 00:05:29,500 He's got his wallet. He's got his phone. 171 00:05:29,540 --> 00:05:31,540 So it doesn't appear as though that robbery is a motive. 172 00:05:31,580 --> 00:05:31,980 So it doesn't appear as though that robbery is a motive. 173 00:05:32,020 --> 00:05:34,020 So this must be a crime of passion. Who has he upset? 174 00:05:34,060 --> 00:05:35,580 So this must be a crime of passion. Who has he upset? 175 00:05:35,620 --> 00:05:37,620 Is it a partner? Is it a business transaction? 176 00:05:37,660 --> 00:05:38,660 Is it a partner? Is it a business transaction? 177 00:05:38,700 --> 00:05:40,700 {\an8}Is it a deal or a drug deal gone wrong? 178 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:40,980 {\an8}Is it a deal or a drug deal gone wrong? 179 00:05:41,020 --> 00:05:42,700 Tom isn't known to us. 180 00:05:42,740 --> 00:05:44,340 He's obviously leading a quiet life. 181 00:05:44,380 --> 00:05:46,380 He lives on his own. He drinks in a local pub. 182 00:05:46,420 --> 00:05:46,780 He lives on his own. He drinks in a local pub. 183 00:05:46,820 --> 00:05:48,820 He works there. He cycles home. He keeps himself to himself. 184 00:05:48,860 --> 00:05:49,580 He works there. He cycles home. He keeps himself to himself. 185 00:05:49,620 --> 00:05:51,620 History tells me that most of these murders are committed 186 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:51,980 History tells me that most of these murders are committed 187 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:54,020 by someone close, either family or friends. 188 00:05:54,060 --> 00:05:54,980 by someone close, either family or friends. 189 00:05:55,020 --> 00:05:57,020 PHONE RINGS 190 00:05:57,060 --> 00:05:57,540 PHONE RINGS 191 00:05:57,580 --> 00:05:59,580 Shifting from a robbery gone wrong, 192 00:05:59,620 --> 00:06:00,020 Shifting from a robbery gone wrong, 193 00:06:00,060 --> 00:06:02,060 detectives refocus their enquiries to those closest to Tom. 194 00:06:02,100 --> 00:06:04,100 detectives refocus their enquiries to those closest to Tom. 195 00:06:04,140 --> 00:06:04,500 detectives refocus their enquiries to those closest to Tom. 196 00:06:06,660 --> 00:06:08,660 We have a process called Trace, Interview and Eliminate, 197 00:06:08,700 --> 00:06:09,060 We have a process called Trace, Interview and Eliminate, 198 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:11,100 which is where we put people of interest into a category, 199 00:06:11,140 --> 00:06:11,900 which is where we put people of interest into a category, 200 00:06:11,940 --> 00:06:13,940 and all that does is prioritise some of the work, 201 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:14,260 and all that does is prioritise some of the work, 202 00:06:14,300 --> 00:06:16,300 so we placed Tom's family in that. 203 00:06:16,340 --> 00:06:16,580 so we placed Tom's family in that. 204 00:06:16,620 --> 00:06:18,140 We know that Tom has family living abroad, 205 00:06:18,180 --> 00:06:19,660 both in America and Australia. 206 00:06:19,700 --> 00:06:21,700 But more importantly, he has a son, David, who lives near the pub. 207 00:06:21,740 --> 00:06:23,540 But more importantly, he has a son, David, who lives near the pub. 208 00:06:23,580 --> 00:06:25,580 We know that David has autism. He lives independently with support. 209 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:26,780 We know that David has autism. He lives independently with support. 210 00:06:26,820 --> 00:06:28,820 They were seen together on the night of the murder. 211 00:06:28,860 --> 00:06:29,700 They were seen together on the night of the murder. 212 00:06:29,740 --> 00:06:31,740 So we have to eliminate David. We need to see him right now. 213 00:06:31,780 --> 00:06:33,100 So we have to eliminate David. We need to see him right now. 214 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,100 I had a phone call, and it was one of the social workers 215 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:42,380 I had a phone call, and it was one of the social workers 216 00:06:42,420 --> 00:06:44,420 saying that the police are possibly gonna turn up half an hour. 217 00:06:44,460 --> 00:06:46,460 saying that the police are possibly gonna turn up half an hour. 218 00:06:46,500 --> 00:06:47,260 saying that the police are possibly gonna turn up half an hour. 219 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:49,300 And then suddenly, there was sort of armed officers turned up. 220 00:06:49,340 --> 00:06:51,340 And then suddenly, there was sort of armed officers turned up. 221 00:06:51,380 --> 00:06:52,020 And then suddenly, there was sort of armed officers turned up. 222 00:06:52,060 --> 00:06:54,060 So I'm stood there like, "Oh, it was quite serious." 223 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:56,100 So I'm stood there like, "Oh, it was quite serious." 224 00:06:56,140 --> 00:06:56,860 So I'm stood there like, "Oh, it was quite serious." 225 00:06:58,820 --> 00:07:00,820 Detectives tell David his father has been found dead. 226 00:07:00,860 --> 00:07:02,860 Detectives tell David his father has been found dead. 227 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:03,100 Detectives tell David his father has been found dead. 228 00:07:05,260 --> 00:07:07,260 And I sat there, it was like, "Is he murdered?" 229 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:09,060 And I sat there, it was like, "Is he murdered?" 230 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:11,100 They sort of sat there not really sort of saying anything. 231 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:13,140 They sort of sat there not really sort of saying anything. 232 00:07:13,180 --> 00:07:13,540 They sort of sat there not really sort of saying anything. 233 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:22,740 My heart just, like, sunk 234 00:07:22,780 --> 00:07:23,300 My heart just, like, sunk 235 00:07:23,340 --> 00:07:25,340 cos I looked at the social worker, and I just knew. 236 00:07:25,380 --> 00:07:27,380 cos I looked at the social worker, and I just knew. 237 00:07:27,420 --> 00:07:27,860 cos I looked at the social worker, and I just knew. 238 00:07:29,300 --> 00:07:30,580 It's like... 239 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:34,060 SNIFFLES, EXHALES 240 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:34,780 SNIFFLES, EXHALES 241 00:07:41,740 --> 00:07:43,740 I was literally, erm, on the floor in tears 242 00:07:43,780 --> 00:07:45,780 I was literally, erm, on the floor in tears 243 00:07:45,820 --> 00:07:46,700 I was literally, erm, on the floor in tears 244 00:07:46,740 --> 00:07:48,740 and sort of so much rage. 245 00:07:48,780 --> 00:07:49,140 and sort of so much rage. 246 00:07:49,180 --> 00:07:50,620 It was just like, "Oh..." 247 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:54,820 EXHALES 248 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:02,340 There's no easy way of saying to someone, 249 00:08:02,380 --> 00:08:04,380 "Your loved one's been found dead, let alone murdered, 250 00:08:04,420 --> 00:08:04,740 "Your loved one's been found dead, let alone murdered, 251 00:08:04,780 --> 00:08:06,780 "in these horrific circumstances." 252 00:08:06,820 --> 00:08:07,620 "in these horrific circumstances." 253 00:08:07,660 --> 00:08:09,540 The team that went were really quite clear 254 00:08:09,580 --> 00:08:11,580 that he's not responsible for this attack on his dad. 255 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:12,140 that he's not responsible for this attack on his dad. 256 00:08:12,180 --> 00:08:14,180 I'm happy, then, to say that he's eliminated. 257 00:08:14,220 --> 00:08:14,420 I'm happy, then, to say that he's eliminated. 258 00:08:18,620 --> 00:08:20,620 The burden of pressure has just ramped up significantly 259 00:08:20,660 --> 00:08:21,100 The burden of pressure has just ramped up significantly 260 00:08:21,140 --> 00:08:23,140 because now I'm fairly certain this is a stranger attack. 261 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:24,100 because now I'm fairly certain this is a stranger attack. 262 00:08:24,140 --> 00:08:26,140 Where do you start? It's a needle in the haystack. 263 00:08:26,180 --> 00:08:26,380 Where do you start? It's a needle in the haystack. 264 00:08:28,700 --> 00:08:30,700 While David is supported by a family liaison officer, 265 00:08:30,740 --> 00:08:32,020 While David is supported by a family liaison officer, 266 00:08:32,060 --> 00:08:34,060 the inquiry team confront the possibility 267 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:35,220 the inquiry team confront the possibility 268 00:08:35,260 --> 00:08:37,260 that the attack was on a complete stranger. 269 00:08:37,300 --> 00:08:37,500 that the attack was on a complete stranger. 270 00:08:41,420 --> 00:08:43,420 So, I've got a team looking at previous offences 271 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:43,740 So, I've got a team looking at previous offences 272 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:45,660 that may have taken place at this location. 273 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:47,700 Unbelievably, seven weeks to the day, 274 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:48,660 Unbelievably, seven weeks to the day, 275 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:50,700 there was an attack at this path almost in an identical location. 276 00:08:50,740 --> 00:08:52,180 there was an attack at this path almost in an identical location. 277 00:08:53,820 --> 00:08:55,820 A 24-year-old lady was attacked, 278 00:08:55,860 --> 00:08:56,140 A 24-year-old lady was attacked, 279 00:08:56,180 --> 00:08:58,180 really seriously injured but survived. 280 00:08:58,220 --> 00:08:58,420 really seriously injured but survived. 281 00:09:00,540 --> 00:09:02,540 It's a chilling lead. 282 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:02,780 It's a chilling lead. 283 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:04,820 If the two attacks are linked, 284 00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:05,100 If the two attacks are linked, 285 00:09:05,140 --> 00:09:07,140 detectives could be facing a serial killer in the making. 286 00:09:07,180 --> 00:09:09,180 detectives could be facing a serial killer in the making. 287 00:09:09,220 --> 00:09:09,500 detectives could be facing a serial killer in the making. 288 00:09:09,540 --> 00:09:11,540 If this person is responsible for two crimes, 289 00:09:11,580 --> 00:09:11,820 If this person is responsible for two crimes, 290 00:09:11,860 --> 00:09:13,220 they're gonna strike again. 291 00:09:13,260 --> 00:09:15,260 {\an8}I've got to catch this person before someone else loses their life. 292 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:16,500 {\an8}I've got to catch this person before someone else loses their life. 293 00:09:35,513 --> 00:09:37,513 REPORTER:The family of a 60-year-old Swindon man 294 00:09:37,553 --> 00:09:38,433 REPORTER:The family of a 60-year-old Swindon man 295 00:09:38,473 --> 00:09:40,473 stabbed to death in a seemingly motiveless attack 296 00:09:40,513 --> 00:09:41,513 stabbed to death in a seemingly motiveless attack 297 00:09:41,553 --> 00:09:43,553 is appealing for help in finding his killer. 298 00:09:43,593 --> 00:09:44,513 is appealing for help in finding his killer. 299 00:09:44,553 --> 00:09:46,553 Tom Rogers was found in an underpass 300 00:09:46,593 --> 00:09:46,873 Tom Rogers was found in an underpass 301 00:09:46,913 --> 00:09:48,913 near Swindon railway station with his bicycle nearby. 302 00:09:48,953 --> 00:09:50,753 near Swindon railway station with his bicycle nearby. 303 00:09:50,793 --> 00:09:52,793 Wiltshire Police called the attack extremely vicious 304 00:09:52,833 --> 00:09:54,273 Wiltshire Police called the attack extremely vicious 305 00:09:54,313 --> 00:09:56,313 and urge locals to stay vigilant. 306 00:09:56,353 --> 00:09:56,673 and urge locals to stay vigilant. 307 00:09:59,393 --> 00:10:01,393 ADRIAN BOWER: Swindon is gripped in fear as news spreads 308 00:10:01,433 --> 00:10:02,753 ADRIAN BOWER: Swindon is gripped in fear as news spreads 309 00:10:02,793 --> 00:10:04,513 there's a killer on the loose. 310 00:10:05,753 --> 00:10:07,673 This is Tom Rogers, 60 years old. 311 00:10:07,713 --> 00:10:09,713 He was stabbed multiple times. 312 00:10:09,753 --> 00:10:10,073 He was stabbed multiple times. 313 00:10:10,113 --> 00:10:12,113 Why has someone done this to Tom? That's what we need to find out. 314 00:10:12,153 --> 00:10:13,273 Why has someone done this to Tom? That's what we need to find out. 315 00:10:13,313 --> 00:10:15,073 In the incident room, 316 00:10:15,113 --> 00:10:17,113 as detectives work around the clock to identify who killed Tom, 317 00:10:17,153 --> 00:10:19,153 as detectives work around the clock to identify who killed Tom, 318 00:10:19,193 --> 00:10:19,593 as detectives work around the clock to identify who killed Tom, 319 00:10:19,633 --> 00:10:21,633 the investigation is rocked by the discovery 320 00:10:21,673 --> 00:10:23,073 the investigation is rocked by the discovery 321 00:10:23,113 --> 00:10:25,113 there was a similar attack in the same spot seven weeks ago. 322 00:10:25,153 --> 00:10:27,033 there was a similar attack in the same spot seven weeks ago. 323 00:10:28,913 --> 00:10:30,913 But this time, the victim miraculously survived. 324 00:10:30,953 --> 00:10:32,873 But this time, the victim miraculously survived. 325 00:10:34,553 --> 00:10:36,553 I need to get a team looking at that investigation. 326 00:10:36,593 --> 00:10:36,993 I need to get a team looking at that investigation. 327 00:10:37,033 --> 00:10:39,033 Could this lead me to the offender for Tom? 328 00:10:39,073 --> 00:10:39,393 Could this lead me to the offender for Tom? 329 00:10:39,433 --> 00:10:41,433 It's a really positive line of inquiry. 330 00:10:41,473 --> 00:10:41,673 It's a really positive line of inquiry. 331 00:10:55,473 --> 00:10:57,473 It's 10:30pm on the 8th of May, 2014. 332 00:10:57,513 --> 00:10:58,953 It's 10:30pm on the 8th of May, 2014. 333 00:11:01,473 --> 00:11:03,473 24-year-old office worker Leanne James 334 00:11:03,513 --> 00:11:04,553 24-year-old office worker Leanne James 335 00:11:04,593 --> 00:11:06,393 is coming to the end of her shift. 336 00:11:09,673 --> 00:11:11,633 On that evening, I finished work, 337 00:11:11,673 --> 00:11:13,673 and I walked down from the old town part of Swindon, 338 00:11:13,713 --> 00:11:14,633 and I walked down from the old town part of Swindon, 339 00:11:14,673 --> 00:11:16,673 down the hill, down through the town centre, 340 00:11:16,713 --> 00:11:16,953 down the hill, down through the town centre, 341 00:11:16,993 --> 00:11:18,473 and I came to the underpass. 342 00:11:19,593 --> 00:11:21,113 I could see that there was a man 343 00:11:21,153 --> 00:11:23,033 leaning against the wall on the left-hand side. 344 00:11:24,193 --> 00:11:26,193 I'd seen him there a couple of days before, 345 00:11:26,233 --> 00:11:26,513 I'd seen him there a couple of days before, 346 00:11:26,553 --> 00:11:28,193 always just leaning against the wall. 347 00:11:28,233 --> 00:11:30,233 He was always just leaning against the wall, watching people go past. 348 00:11:30,273 --> 00:11:31,233 He was always just leaning against the wall, watching people go past. 349 00:11:32,793 --> 00:11:34,793 And I did stop briefly because I thought to myself, 350 00:11:34,833 --> 00:11:36,833 "Oh, that's a bit strange that he's stood there." 351 00:11:36,873 --> 00:11:37,313 "Oh, that's a bit strange that he's stood there." 352 00:11:37,353 --> 00:11:39,353 But I just sort of shrugged it off, and I walked past him. 353 00:11:39,393 --> 00:11:40,233 But I just sort of shrugged it off, and I walked past him. 354 00:11:46,113 --> 00:11:48,113 And he came up behind me, and he hit me over the head. 355 00:11:48,153 --> 00:11:49,393 And he came up behind me, and he hit me over the head. 356 00:11:52,913 --> 00:11:54,913 And as I turned to look, I thought, at the time, it was a pipe 357 00:11:54,953 --> 00:11:55,433 And as I turned to look, I thought, at the time, it was a pipe 358 00:11:55,473 --> 00:11:57,473 because it was just a bit long and dark. 359 00:11:57,513 --> 00:11:58,033 because it was just a bit long and dark. 360 00:11:58,073 --> 00:11:59,353 He raised it up to hit me again. 361 00:11:59,393 --> 00:12:01,273 I turned towards him and put my hand up, 362 00:12:01,313 --> 00:12:02,593 put my arm up to protect me. 363 00:12:02,633 --> 00:12:04,633 So, I put my arm over my head, and he hit me again. 364 00:12:04,673 --> 00:12:04,873 So, I put my arm over my head, and he hit me again. 365 00:12:07,193 --> 00:12:09,193 He jumped on top of me, grabbed me by the arm 366 00:12:09,233 --> 00:12:09,873 He jumped on top of me, grabbed me by the arm 367 00:12:09,913 --> 00:12:11,913 and dragged me up the banking. 368 00:12:11,953 --> 00:12:12,113 and dragged me up the banking. 369 00:12:13,473 --> 00:12:15,393 I sat up, I turned and looked at him, 370 00:12:15,433 --> 00:12:16,873 and I said, "Oh, what's happened?" 371 00:12:16,913 --> 00:12:18,913 He told me to shut up, and he kicked me in the face. 372 00:12:18,953 --> 00:12:19,673 He told me to shut up, and he kicked me in the face. 373 00:12:22,313 --> 00:12:23,753 I was just really scared. 374 00:12:23,793 --> 00:12:25,793 My heart was pounding in my ears, and I was just... 375 00:12:25,833 --> 00:12:26,073 My heart was pounding in my ears, and I was just... 376 00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:27,353 I've never known fear like it. 377 00:12:27,393 --> 00:12:29,393 I was just thinking about my friends and my family and thinking, 378 00:12:29,433 --> 00:12:29,953 I was just thinking about my friends and my family and thinking, 379 00:12:29,993 --> 00:12:31,993 "This could be it. This could be the end of it all, really." 380 00:12:32,033 --> 00:12:33,513 "This could be it. This could be the end of it all, really." 381 00:12:45,673 --> 00:12:47,673 I don't know how long I was there for. 382 00:12:47,713 --> 00:12:49,713 And eventually, a chap walked past me, 383 00:12:49,753 --> 00:12:50,353 And eventually, a chap walked past me, 384 00:12:50,393 --> 00:12:51,913 and he said to me, "You OK?" 385 00:12:51,953 --> 00:12:53,833 He stepped towards me and saw all the blood, 386 00:12:53,873 --> 00:12:55,393 and he said, "Oh, I'll call the police." 387 00:12:57,193 --> 00:12:59,193 It was a brutal attack. 388 00:12:59,233 --> 00:12:59,473 It was a brutal attack. 389 00:12:59,513 --> 00:13:01,513 Unlike Tom's, there appears to be no motive. 390 00:13:01,553 --> 00:13:03,033 Unlike Tom's, there appears to be no motive. 391 00:13:04,353 --> 00:13:06,353 They took me to the hospital that night, and he cut my head. 392 00:13:06,393 --> 00:13:06,753 They took me to the hospital that night, and he cut my head. 393 00:13:06,793 --> 00:13:08,633 So I had to have stitches in my head, 394 00:13:08,673 --> 00:13:10,673 where he grabbed my hand and dragged me up the bank, 395 00:13:10,713 --> 00:13:10,953 where he grabbed my hand and dragged me up the bank, 396 00:13:10,993 --> 00:13:12,993 and he broke my finger as well. 397 00:13:13,033 --> 00:13:13,273 and he broke my finger as well. 398 00:13:13,313 --> 00:13:15,313 I had bruising to my face. Like, I had black eyes. 399 00:13:15,353 --> 00:13:15,753 I had bruising to my face. Like, I had black eyes. 400 00:13:15,793 --> 00:13:17,033 It was hard to see out of, 401 00:13:17,073 --> 00:13:19,073 and that took, you know, a couple of weeks to heal. 402 00:13:19,113 --> 00:13:19,673 and that took, you know, a couple of weeks to heal. 403 00:13:24,033 --> 00:13:26,033 Forensic officers swarm the crime scene, 404 00:13:26,073 --> 00:13:26,873 Forensic officers swarm the crime scene, 405 00:13:26,913 --> 00:13:28,913 conducting a thorough hands-and-knees search 406 00:13:28,953 --> 00:13:29,193 conducting a thorough hands-and-knees search 407 00:13:29,233 --> 00:13:30,913 of the banking. 408 00:13:36,593 --> 00:13:38,593 In the grass, they discover half a pool cue, 409 00:13:38,633 --> 00:13:40,073 In the grass, they discover half a pool cue, 410 00:13:40,113 --> 00:13:42,113 its bloodied end suggesting a violent use. 411 00:13:42,153 --> 00:13:43,033 its bloodied end suggesting a violent use. 412 00:13:45,353 --> 00:13:47,353 Bagged, it's sent off for forensic analysis. 413 00:13:47,393 --> 00:13:47,913 Bagged, it's sent off for forensic analysis. 414 00:13:49,353 --> 00:13:51,353 It could hold the key to identifying Leanne's attacker. 415 00:13:51,393 --> 00:13:52,353 It could hold the key to identifying Leanne's attacker. 416 00:13:55,073 --> 00:13:56,553 I've really got mixed emotions. 417 00:13:56,593 --> 00:13:58,593 My adrenaline's raised cos I think it could be a good breakthrough. 418 00:13:58,633 --> 00:13:59,313 My adrenaline's raised cos I think it could be a good breakthrough. 419 00:13:59,353 --> 00:14:01,353 But equally, if this was the same person, 420 00:14:01,393 --> 00:14:02,273 But equally, if this was the same person, 421 00:14:02,313 --> 00:14:03,953 what else has he done? 422 00:14:03,993 --> 00:14:05,993 And that sort of ups the ante in terms of the pressure on me. 423 00:14:06,033 --> 00:14:06,833 And that sort of ups the ante in terms of the pressure on me. 424 00:14:06,873 --> 00:14:08,873 But deep down, I'm thinking this could be the thing 425 00:14:08,913 --> 00:14:09,153 But deep down, I'm thinking this could be the thing 426 00:14:09,193 --> 00:14:10,433 that solves this case. 427 00:14:15,393 --> 00:14:17,393 To have a random attack of somebody where it's an assault, 428 00:14:17,433 --> 00:14:19,073 To have a random attack of somebody where it's an assault, 429 00:14:19,113 --> 00:14:21,113 and then, a few weeks later, there's a second assault that, 430 00:14:21,153 --> 00:14:21,953 and then, a few weeks later, there's a second assault that, 431 00:14:21,993 --> 00:14:23,953 obviously, as we know, transpires to be a murder, 432 00:14:23,993 --> 00:14:25,993 but again on somebody who appears to have been attacked by a stranger, 433 00:14:26,033 --> 00:14:28,033 but again on somebody who appears to have been attacked by a stranger, 434 00:14:28,073 --> 00:14:28,513 but again on somebody who appears to have been attacked by a stranger, 435 00:14:28,553 --> 00:14:30,553 I mean, that's really rare nationally, not just in Swindon. 436 00:14:30,593 --> 00:14:31,673 I mean, that's really rare nationally, not just in Swindon. 437 00:14:31,713 --> 00:14:32,953 That's really rare. 438 00:14:32,993 --> 00:14:34,993 Detectives face a chilling possibility. 439 00:14:35,033 --> 00:14:36,553 Detectives face a chilling possibility. 440 00:14:36,593 --> 00:14:38,593 Is this a serial killer who's just getting started? 441 00:14:38,633 --> 00:14:40,433 Is this a serial killer who's just getting started? 442 00:14:41,993 --> 00:14:43,993 The clock is ticking to stop him before he strikes again. 443 00:14:44,033 --> 00:14:46,033 The clock is ticking to stop him before he strikes again. 444 00:14:46,073 --> 00:14:46,273 The clock is ticking to stop him before he strikes again. 445 00:14:48,153 --> 00:14:50,153 When you're working on these types of investigations, you don't sleep. 446 00:14:50,193 --> 00:14:52,193 When you're working on these types of investigations, you don't sleep. 447 00:14:52,233 --> 00:14:52,673 When you're working on these types of investigations, you don't sleep. 448 00:14:52,713 --> 00:14:54,713 Your mind is whirring all the time. 449 00:14:54,753 --> 00:14:55,313 Your mind is whirring all the time. 450 00:14:55,353 --> 00:14:57,353 "What about this? What about that? Have we done this? 451 00:14:57,393 --> 00:14:57,673 "What about this? What about that? Have we done this? 452 00:14:57,713 --> 00:14:59,713 "Have we done that?" You live off adrenaline. 453 00:14:59,753 --> 00:15:00,553 "Have we done that?" You live off adrenaline. 454 00:15:00,593 --> 00:15:02,593 All these people that work on this, we've all got normal lives at home. 455 00:15:02,633 --> 00:15:04,353 All these people that work on this, we've all got normal lives at home. 456 00:15:04,393 --> 00:15:06,393 We've got families that we need to sort out, 457 00:15:06,433 --> 00:15:06,713 We've got families that we need to sort out, 458 00:15:06,753 --> 00:15:08,753 you know, kids that have still got to get to school 459 00:15:08,793 --> 00:15:09,553 you know, kids that have still got to get to school 460 00:15:09,593 --> 00:15:10,993 or washing that needs to be done 461 00:15:11,033 --> 00:15:12,913 or pack packed lunches that need to be made. 462 00:15:12,953 --> 00:15:14,953 And... there's not always a secret army of people 463 00:15:14,993 --> 00:15:16,353 And... there's not always a secret army of people 464 00:15:16,393 --> 00:15:18,393 sat at home helping you. 465 00:15:18,433 --> 00:15:18,673 sat at home helping you. 466 00:15:18,713 --> 00:15:20,153 Sometimes, you're doing all that as well, 467 00:15:20,193 --> 00:15:22,193 and it's really, really challenging. 468 00:15:22,233 --> 00:15:22,393 and it's really, really challenging. 469 00:15:25,753 --> 00:15:27,753 It's not just the detectives who are desperate for a breakthrough. 470 00:15:27,793 --> 00:15:29,233 It's not just the detectives who are desperate for a breakthrough. 471 00:15:30,753 --> 00:15:32,753 Tom's sister, Dawn, arrives from America. 472 00:15:32,793 --> 00:15:34,273 Tom's sister, Dawn, arrives from America. 473 00:15:34,313 --> 00:15:36,313 She last saw Tom alive just two weeks before he was killed. 474 00:15:36,353 --> 00:15:38,353 She last saw Tom alive just two weeks before he was killed. 475 00:15:38,393 --> 00:15:38,593 She last saw Tom alive just two weeks before he was killed. 476 00:15:41,953 --> 00:15:43,953 My sister called me from Australia, and I was in Los Angeles, 477 00:15:43,993 --> 00:15:45,793 My sister called me from Australia, and I was in Los Angeles, 478 00:15:45,833 --> 00:15:47,833 so it was, like, late morning when I heard. 479 00:15:47,873 --> 00:15:48,073 so it was, like, late morning when I heard. 480 00:15:49,993 --> 00:15:51,993 She said, "Tom has been murdered." 481 00:15:52,033 --> 00:15:52,953 She said, "Tom has been murdered." 482 00:15:52,993 --> 00:15:54,993 And it was like... "Tom has been murdered." 483 00:15:55,033 --> 00:15:56,073 And it was like... "Tom has been murdered." 484 00:15:56,113 --> 00:15:58,113 It was like... I couldn't believe it. 485 00:15:58,153 --> 00:15:58,393 It was like... I couldn't believe it. 486 00:15:58,433 --> 00:16:00,233 I just could not believe it. 487 00:16:00,273 --> 00:16:02,273 It was just shocking. Shocking. 488 00:16:02,313 --> 00:16:02,953 It was just shocking. Shocking. 489 00:16:07,753 --> 00:16:09,753 So, this is where he actually worked. 490 00:16:09,793 --> 00:16:10,073 So, this is where he actually worked. 491 00:16:10,113 --> 00:16:12,113 He was a dishwasher. He lived in Swindon all his life. 492 00:16:12,153 --> 00:16:13,113 He was a dishwasher. He lived in Swindon all his life. 493 00:16:13,153 --> 00:16:14,593 He made the best of it, you know. 494 00:16:14,633 --> 00:16:16,633 He was a hard worker, a good guy, you know? 495 00:16:16,673 --> 00:16:17,913 He was a hard worker, a good guy, you know? 496 00:16:17,953 --> 00:16:19,953 He'd walk away from trouble kind of fella, 497 00:16:19,993 --> 00:16:20,233 He'd walk away from trouble kind of fella, 498 00:16:20,273 --> 00:16:22,273 or conflict or anything like that. 499 00:16:22,313 --> 00:16:22,513 or conflict or anything like that. 500 00:16:22,553 --> 00:16:24,113 He was a very gentle soul. 501 00:16:26,793 --> 00:16:28,353 My sister made this book. 502 00:16:29,673 --> 00:16:31,673 Tom right there. 503 00:16:31,713 --> 00:16:31,913 Tom right there. 504 00:16:31,953 --> 00:16:33,953 He was special. He was lovely. 505 00:16:33,993 --> 00:16:34,153 He was special. He was lovely. 506 00:16:36,673 --> 00:16:38,673 He always had goals to either go to Australia or America. 507 00:16:38,713 --> 00:16:39,993 He always had goals to either go to Australia or America. 508 00:16:40,033 --> 00:16:42,033 He made sure to go to both. 509 00:16:42,073 --> 00:16:42,313 He made sure to go to both. 510 00:16:42,353 --> 00:16:44,353 You know? He was ambitious in that way. 511 00:16:44,393 --> 00:16:44,913 You know? He was ambitious in that way. 512 00:16:44,953 --> 00:16:46,953 And such a family man that, of course, 513 00:16:46,993 --> 00:16:47,713 And such a family man that, of course, 514 00:16:47,753 --> 00:16:49,753 he would fly there, fly here, there and everywhere. 515 00:16:49,793 --> 00:16:50,833 he would fly there, fly here, there and everywhere. 516 00:16:50,873 --> 00:16:52,873 I wouldn't have swapped him... for anybody. 517 00:16:52,913 --> 00:16:54,473 I wouldn't have swapped him... for anybody. 518 00:16:54,513 --> 00:16:55,993 He was a lovely brother. 519 00:16:58,873 --> 00:17:00,873 And then these are sad pictures, in a way, 520 00:17:00,913 --> 00:17:02,033 And then these are sad pictures, in a way, 521 00:17:02,073 --> 00:17:04,073 the last ones, a couple of weeks before. 522 00:17:04,113 --> 00:17:05,113 the last ones, a couple of weeks before. 523 00:17:05,153 --> 00:17:07,153 And I had a lovely time with him. 524 00:17:07,193 --> 00:17:07,753 And I had a lovely time with him. 525 00:17:07,793 --> 00:17:09,793 Showing me around Swindon, so that kind of gets to you. 526 00:17:09,833 --> 00:17:11,473 Showing me around Swindon, so that kind of gets to you. 527 00:17:11,513 --> 00:17:13,513 You have no idea what's around the corner. 528 00:17:13,553 --> 00:17:13,833 You have no idea what's around the corner. 529 00:17:13,873 --> 00:17:15,513 I might have hugged him longer, tighter, 530 00:17:15,553 --> 00:17:17,273 done something more, you know? 531 00:17:20,593 --> 00:17:21,753 "Give my love to all." 532 00:17:21,793 --> 00:17:23,713 Cos that was the last thing he always would say 533 00:17:23,753 --> 00:17:25,753 when we split up from all the different countries we were in. 534 00:17:25,793 --> 00:17:26,593 when we split up from all the different countries we were in. 535 00:17:26,633 --> 00:17:28,633 "Give my love to all," you know. 536 00:17:28,673 --> 00:17:29,873 "Give my love to all," you know. 537 00:17:42,593 --> 00:17:44,593 Back in the incident room, 538 00:17:44,633 --> 00:17:44,873 Back in the incident room, 539 00:17:44,913 --> 00:17:46,913 detectives are pursuing their hunch that Tom's murder may be linked 540 00:17:46,953 --> 00:17:48,673 detectives are pursuing their hunch that Tom's murder may be linked 541 00:17:48,713 --> 00:17:50,713 to an attack on Leanne seven weeks prior. 542 00:17:50,753 --> 00:17:51,553 to an attack on Leanne seven weeks prior. 543 00:17:53,033 --> 00:17:55,033 Detective Inspector Julie Mackay is reviewing the results 544 00:17:55,073 --> 00:17:56,673 Detective Inspector Julie Mackay is reviewing the results 545 00:17:56,713 --> 00:17:58,713 of the analysis on a pool cue found at Leanne's crime scene. 546 00:17:58,753 --> 00:18:00,313 of the analysis on a pool cue found at Leanne's crime scene. 547 00:18:04,633 --> 00:18:06,153 So, on the pool cue, 548 00:18:06,193 --> 00:18:08,193 which is our weapon that's used to assault Leanne, 549 00:18:08,233 --> 00:18:08,513 which is our weapon that's used to assault Leanne, 550 00:18:08,553 --> 00:18:10,553 there's actually two DNA profiles that we get on here, 551 00:18:10,593 --> 00:18:11,113 there's actually two DNA profiles that we get on here, 552 00:18:11,153 --> 00:18:13,153 one of which is hers as a result of the blood on here, 553 00:18:13,193 --> 00:18:14,393 one of which is hers as a result of the blood on here, 554 00:18:14,433 --> 00:18:16,033 and that's the full profile. 555 00:18:16,073 --> 00:18:18,073 The other one is a partial profile, 556 00:18:18,113 --> 00:18:18,673 The other one is a partial profile, 557 00:18:18,713 --> 00:18:20,713 which I believe's from the sweat of the person that was holding it, 558 00:18:20,753 --> 00:18:22,593 which I believe's from the sweat of the person that was holding it, 559 00:18:22,633 --> 00:18:24,633 which often you'll get that when somebody grasps something. 560 00:18:24,673 --> 00:18:25,913 which often you'll get that when somebody grasps something. 561 00:18:25,953 --> 00:18:27,953 So, what we do, even with a partial profile, 562 00:18:27,993 --> 00:18:29,233 So, what we do, even with a partial profile, 563 00:18:29,273 --> 00:18:31,273 you can run it through the DNA Database. 564 00:18:31,313 --> 00:18:31,593 you can run it through the DNA Database. 565 00:18:31,633 --> 00:18:33,633 The scientists do that for us, and they came back with 12 names. 566 00:18:33,673 --> 00:18:35,673 The scientists do that for us, and they came back with 12 names. 567 00:18:35,713 --> 00:18:35,993 The scientists do that for us, and they came back with 12 names. 568 00:18:36,033 --> 00:18:38,033 So, that, for us, is 12 potential suspects. 569 00:18:38,073 --> 00:18:39,433 So, that, for us, is 12 potential suspects. 570 00:18:39,473 --> 00:18:41,473 One of those 12 names could be Leanne's attacker. 571 00:18:41,513 --> 00:18:42,113 One of those 12 names could be Leanne's attacker. 572 00:18:45,953 --> 00:18:47,953 It's highly likely that one of those 12 names would have been responsible 573 00:18:47,993 --> 00:18:48,873 It's highly likely that one of those 12 names would have been responsible 574 00:18:48,913 --> 00:18:50,913 for both Leanne's attack and the murder of Tom. 575 00:18:50,953 --> 00:18:51,673 for both Leanne's attack and the murder of Tom. 576 00:18:51,713 --> 00:18:53,113 But all I'm linking at the moment 577 00:18:53,153 --> 00:18:54,913 is that they took place in the same location. 578 00:18:54,953 --> 00:18:56,953 If I can find the weapon that was used to kill Tom, 579 00:18:56,993 --> 00:18:57,553 If I can find the weapon that was used to kill Tom, 580 00:18:57,593 --> 00:18:59,593 then that would be a significant breakthrough for us. 581 00:18:59,633 --> 00:18:59,913 then that would be a significant breakthrough for us. 582 00:18:59,953 --> 00:19:01,953 I need the team to find the murder weapon. 583 00:19:01,993 --> 00:19:02,273 I need the team to find the murder weapon. 584 00:19:05,913 --> 00:19:07,913 Every minute that passes where the underpass killer remains at large, 585 00:19:07,953 --> 00:19:09,953 Every minute that passes where the underpass killer remains at large, 586 00:19:09,993 --> 00:19:10,273 Every minute that passes where the underpass killer remains at large, 587 00:19:10,313 --> 00:19:12,313 another life could hang in the balance. 588 00:19:12,353 --> 00:19:12,553 another life could hang in the balance. 589 00:19:15,353 --> 00:19:17,353 Sean orders an urgent sweep of the crime scene. 590 00:19:17,393 --> 00:19:18,713 Sean orders an urgent sweep of the crime scene. 591 00:19:20,793 --> 00:19:22,793 So, just here is the exact location 592 00:19:22,833 --> 00:19:24,753 So, just here is the exact location 593 00:19:24,793 --> 00:19:26,793 where both Leanne and Tom were attacked. 594 00:19:26,833 --> 00:19:28,553 where both Leanne and Tom were attacked. 595 00:19:30,873 --> 00:19:32,873 Looking around us, it's a forensic heaven 596 00:19:32,913 --> 00:19:34,593 Looking around us, it's a forensic heaven 597 00:19:34,633 --> 00:19:36,633 and a forensic nightmare all at the same time. 598 00:19:36,673 --> 00:19:37,513 and a forensic nightmare all at the same time. 599 00:19:37,553 --> 00:19:39,553 Just walking here today looking, there's this rubbish, 600 00:19:39,593 --> 00:19:40,593 Just walking here today looking, there's this rubbish, 601 00:19:40,633 --> 00:19:42,633 these bits of cardboard, bits of tissue, cigarette butts. 602 00:19:42,673 --> 00:19:43,353 these bits of cardboard, bits of tissue, cigarette butts. 603 00:19:44,913 --> 00:19:46,913 I mean, just here, there's a can there, 604 00:19:46,953 --> 00:19:47,193 I mean, just here, there's a can there, 605 00:19:47,233 --> 00:19:48,673 and that could be our golden nugget. 606 00:19:48,713 --> 00:19:50,673 That could be the offender who's discarded that, 607 00:19:50,713 --> 00:19:52,593 and very quickly, we could get a DNA profile. 608 00:19:52,633 --> 00:19:54,633 All of these things are scooped up by our search teams. 609 00:19:54,673 --> 00:19:55,673 All of these things are scooped up by our search teams. 610 00:19:57,993 --> 00:19:59,993 And then they'll come through again afterwards and get their strimmer, 611 00:20:00,033 --> 00:20:01,313 And then they'll come through again afterwards and get their strimmer, 612 00:20:01,353 --> 00:20:03,353 and either side, they will strim all of this back 613 00:20:03,393 --> 00:20:04,873 and either side, they will strim all of this back 614 00:20:04,913 --> 00:20:06,913 so eventually, we can be absolutely confident 615 00:20:06,953 --> 00:20:07,193 so eventually, we can be absolutely confident 616 00:20:07,233 --> 00:20:09,233 that we haven't missed anything. 617 00:20:09,273 --> 00:20:09,473 that we haven't missed anything. 618 00:20:09,513 --> 00:20:11,513 Fifty extra officers are drafted in. 619 00:20:11,553 --> 00:20:12,753 Fifty extra officers are drafted in. 620 00:20:12,793 --> 00:20:14,793 They must recover some evidence to help lead them to the killer 621 00:20:14,833 --> 00:20:16,553 They must recover some evidence to help lead them to the killer 622 00:20:16,593 --> 00:20:18,593 before he strikes again. 623 00:20:18,633 --> 00:20:18,833 before he strikes again. 624 00:20:18,873 --> 00:20:20,113 The pressure's on now. 625 00:20:20,153 --> 00:20:22,153 It's a massive line of inquiry, and we shouldn't miss anything. 626 00:20:22,193 --> 00:20:23,673 It's a massive line of inquiry, and we shouldn't miss anything. 627 00:20:23,713 --> 00:20:25,713 It's really important that we cover it all. 628 00:20:25,753 --> 00:20:25,953 It's really important that we cover it all. 629 00:20:28,353 --> 00:20:30,353 Three days after the new fingertip search begins, 630 00:20:30,393 --> 00:20:32,073 Three days after the new fingertip search begins, 631 00:20:32,113 --> 00:20:34,113 in the deepest part of the grass, there's a significant discovery... 632 00:20:34,153 --> 00:20:36,153 in the deepest part of the grass, there's a significant discovery... 633 00:20:36,193 --> 00:20:36,593 in the deepest part of the grass, there's a significant discovery... 634 00:20:37,913 --> 00:20:39,913 ..a knife with a four-inch blade. 635 00:20:39,953 --> 00:20:40,753 ..a knife with a four-inch blade. 636 00:20:45,073 --> 00:20:46,593 It's quite incredible, really. 637 00:20:46,633 --> 00:20:48,633 It's amazing how easily these things are concealed, 638 00:20:48,673 --> 00:20:48,953 It's amazing how easily these things are concealed, 639 00:20:48,993 --> 00:20:50,993 particularly when a little bit of grass can easily be blown over 640 00:20:51,033 --> 00:20:52,033 particularly when a little bit of grass can easily be blown over 641 00:20:52,073 --> 00:20:53,793 or trodden on top of it. 642 00:20:53,833 --> 00:20:55,313 But when it is found, 643 00:20:55,353 --> 00:20:57,353 it's clear then that there's a bit of blood on it. 644 00:20:57,393 --> 00:20:57,673 it's clear then that there's a bit of blood on it. 645 00:20:57,713 --> 00:20:59,713 Pressure's on now, and we need to get it to the lab. 646 00:20:59,753 --> 00:21:00,033 Pressure's on now, and we need to get it to the lab. 647 00:21:00,073 --> 00:21:02,073 And the pathologists will be able to tell you by measuring that 648 00:21:02,113 --> 00:21:03,353 And the pathologists will be able to tell you by measuring that 649 00:21:03,393 --> 00:21:05,393 and the measurements that they've taken for the injuries 650 00:21:05,433 --> 00:21:05,673 and the measurements that they've taken for the injuries 651 00:21:05,713 --> 00:21:07,033 that were sustained by Tom, 652 00:21:07,073 --> 00:21:09,073 they'll be able to tell you if it's the murder weapon 653 00:21:09,113 --> 00:21:09,393 they'll be able to tell you if it's the murder weapon 654 00:21:09,433 --> 00:21:11,233 because of the dimensions, the shape of the blade, 655 00:21:11,273 --> 00:21:13,073 the length of the blade. 656 00:21:13,113 --> 00:21:14,833 So that, along with your forensic evidence, 657 00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,873 is just really, really important. 658 00:21:16,913 --> 00:21:17,073 is just really, really important. 659 00:21:21,433 --> 00:21:23,433 The tension is palpable. I'm impatient. 660 00:21:23,473 --> 00:21:23,713 The tension is palpable. I'm impatient. 661 00:21:23,753 --> 00:21:25,393 I want the forensics now, 662 00:21:25,433 --> 00:21:27,433 but I know it's gonna take 24, 36 hours. 663 00:21:27,473 --> 00:21:28,313 but I know it's gonna take 24, 36 hours. 664 00:21:28,353 --> 00:21:29,833 But I need that knife seized properly, 665 00:21:29,873 --> 00:21:31,873 not contaminated, off to the lab. 666 00:21:31,913 --> 00:21:32,153 not contaminated, off to the lab. 667 00:21:32,193 --> 00:21:33,873 This could be the key piece of evidence. 668 00:21:33,913 --> 00:21:35,913 If this has got DNA or blood on it, 669 00:21:35,953 --> 00:21:36,193 If this has got DNA or blood on it, 670 00:21:36,233 --> 00:21:38,233 this could be the bit that catches the killer. 671 00:21:38,273 --> 00:21:38,553 this could be the bit that catches the killer. 672 00:21:38,593 --> 00:21:40,593 If this person is responsible for two crimes, which is highly likely, 673 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:41,833 If this person is responsible for two crimes, which is highly likely, 674 00:21:41,873 --> 00:21:43,793 they're gonna strike again. 675 00:21:43,833 --> 00:21:45,833 I've got to catch this person before someone else loses their life. 676 00:21:45,873 --> 00:21:47,113 I've got to catch this person before someone else loses their life. 677 00:21:54,033 --> 00:21:56,033 But detectives don't have to wait long for a breakthrough. 678 00:21:56,073 --> 00:21:57,473 But detectives don't have to wait long for a breakthrough. 679 00:21:59,473 --> 00:22:01,473 After fast-tracking the forensics on the knife, 680 00:22:01,513 --> 00:22:02,513 After fast-tracking the forensics on the knife, 681 00:22:02,553 --> 00:22:04,553 there's a major development. PHONE RINGS 682 00:22:04,593 --> 00:22:05,473 there's a major development. PHONE RINGS 683 00:22:07,033 --> 00:22:09,033 The phone rings. It's the scientist, and we've got a result. 684 00:22:09,073 --> 00:22:10,313 The phone rings. It's the scientist, and we've got a result. 685 00:22:10,353 --> 00:22:12,193 We have a full-match DNA profile. 686 00:22:12,233 --> 00:22:14,233 The hilt of the knife has yielded some DNA. 687 00:22:14,273 --> 00:22:15,393 The hilt of the knife has yielded some DNA. 688 00:22:15,433 --> 00:22:17,433 It's skin cells, and they've put it through the system, 689 00:22:17,473 --> 00:22:17,753 It's skin cells, and they've put it through the system, 690 00:22:17,793 --> 00:22:19,793 and it's a one-in-a-billion chance of being someone. 691 00:22:19,833 --> 00:22:20,073 and it's a one-in-a-billion chance of being someone. 692 00:22:20,113 --> 00:22:21,513 And unbelievably, I've got a name. 693 00:22:23,153 --> 00:22:25,153 Our suspect is Jason Voong. He's living in Swindon. 694 00:22:25,193 --> 00:22:26,273 Our suspect is Jason Voong. He's living in Swindon. 695 00:22:26,313 --> 00:22:28,233 He's very close to the scene. 696 00:22:28,273 --> 00:22:30,273 This is an unbelievable breakthrough for us. 697 00:22:30,313 --> 00:22:30,553 This is an unbelievable breakthrough for us. 698 00:22:30,593 --> 00:22:31,433 I need to speak to Julie. 699 00:22:31,473 --> 00:22:33,473 Is he connected to the attack on Leanne? 700 00:22:33,513 --> 00:22:33,713 Is he connected to the attack on Leanne? 701 00:22:35,553 --> 00:22:37,553 And I could tell from his voice straight away 702 00:22:37,593 --> 00:22:38,833 And I could tell from his voice straight away 703 00:22:38,873 --> 00:22:40,873 that he'd got a result back from the knife 704 00:22:40,913 --> 00:22:41,953 that he'd got a result back from the knife 705 00:22:41,993 --> 00:22:43,913 and from the DNA examination. 706 00:22:43,953 --> 00:22:45,953 I knew the name already because I knew the 12 names on that list. 707 00:22:45,993 --> 00:22:46,553 I knew the name already because I knew the 12 names on that list. 708 00:22:49,313 --> 00:22:51,313 This is it. This is our man, Jason Voong. 709 00:22:51,353 --> 00:22:52,073 This is it. This is our man, Jason Voong. 710 00:22:52,113 --> 00:22:54,113 {\an8}It's a one-in-a-billion chance. It has to be him. 711 00:22:54,153 --> 00:22:54,393 {\an8}It's a one-in-a-billion chance. It has to be him. 712 00:22:56,513 --> 00:22:58,513 Jason Voong's a Vietnamese national, 713 00:22:58,553 --> 00:22:58,793 Jason Voong's a Vietnamese national, 714 00:22:58,833 --> 00:23:00,833 but he's been living in Swindon nearly all his life 715 00:23:00,873 --> 00:23:01,113 but he's been living in Swindon nearly all his life 716 00:23:01,153 --> 00:23:02,553 with his mum, siblings. 717 00:23:02,593 --> 00:23:04,073 He's 28 years old. 718 00:23:04,113 --> 00:23:06,113 We know he's got a minor conviction for cannabis use. 719 00:23:06,153 --> 00:23:06,433 We know he's got a minor conviction for cannabis use. 720 00:23:06,473 --> 00:23:08,473 How's he gone from cannabis use up to a murder and attempted murder? 721 00:23:08,513 --> 00:23:09,593 How's he gone from cannabis use up to a murder and attempted murder? 722 00:23:12,513 --> 00:23:14,513 We need to find him, and we need to find him quick. 723 00:23:14,553 --> 00:23:14,833 We need to find him, and we need to find him quick. 724 00:23:14,873 --> 00:23:16,873 But we have an address. He's living in Southbrook Street in Swindon. 725 00:23:16,913 --> 00:23:18,033 But we have an address. He's living in Southbrook Street in Swindon. 726 00:23:20,753 --> 00:23:22,753 Unbeknown to their suspect, the detectives are closing in. 727 00:23:22,793 --> 00:23:24,593 Unbeknown to their suspect, the detectives are closing in. 728 00:23:25,713 --> 00:23:27,713 But catching Swindon's notorious underpass killer 729 00:23:27,753 --> 00:23:29,113 But catching Swindon's notorious underpass killer 730 00:23:29,153 --> 00:23:31,153 won't come without danger. 731 00:23:31,193 --> 00:23:31,433 won't come without danger. 732 00:23:31,473 --> 00:23:32,753 SMASHING, CLATTERING 733 00:23:32,793 --> 00:23:34,793 SHOUTING Get down! 734 00:23:34,833 --> 00:23:35,393 SHOUTING Get down! 735 00:23:35,433 --> 00:23:37,153 What happens if he fires a shot, 736 00:23:37,193 --> 00:23:39,193 if he's got a gun or runs at the officers with a knife? 737 00:23:39,233 --> 00:23:39,993 if he's got a gun or runs at the officers with a knife? 738 00:23:40,033 --> 00:23:42,033 This is an extremely dangerous man. He will kill again. 739 00:23:42,073 --> 00:23:43,233 This is an extremely dangerous man. He will kill again. 740 00:47:52,931 --> 00:47:54,931 ADRIAN BOWER: June 2014... 741 00:47:54,971 --> 00:47:55,131 ADRIAN BOWER: June 2014... 742 00:47:56,891 --> 00:47:58,891 ..on a quiet residential street in Swindon... 743 00:47:58,931 --> 00:47:59,491 ..on a quiet residential street in Swindon... 744 00:48:00,891 --> 00:48:02,891 ..inside one of these houses 745 00:48:02,931 --> 00:48:03,411 ..inside one of these houses 746 00:48:03,451 --> 00:48:05,451 is a violent serial killer in the making. 747 00:48:05,491 --> 00:48:06,331 is a violent serial killer in the making. 748 00:48:08,131 --> 00:48:10,131 Detective Superintendent Sean Memory and his team 749 00:48:10,171 --> 00:48:11,891 Detective Superintendent Sean Memory and his team 750 00:48:11,931 --> 00:48:13,931 are meticulously planning his capture 751 00:48:13,971 --> 00:48:14,251 are meticulously planning his capture 752 00:48:14,291 --> 00:48:16,291 with a specialist team of surveillance and firearms officers. 753 00:48:16,331 --> 00:48:17,811 with a specialist team of surveillance and firearms officers. 754 00:48:18,971 --> 00:48:20,971 This is an extremely dangerous man. He will kill again. 755 00:48:21,011 --> 00:48:22,411 This is an extremely dangerous man. He will kill again. 756 00:48:22,451 --> 00:48:24,451 The hunter is now the hunted. 757 00:48:24,491 --> 00:48:25,171 The hunter is now the hunted. 758 00:48:26,371 --> 00:48:28,371 I want Jason Voong arrested. I want him alive. 759 00:48:28,411 --> 00:48:29,171 I want Jason Voong arrested. I want him alive. 760 00:48:29,211 --> 00:48:31,211 This is an absolutely critical stage of this investigation. 761 00:48:31,251 --> 00:48:33,251 This is an absolutely critical stage of this investigation. 762 00:48:33,291 --> 00:48:33,571 This is an absolutely critical stage of this investigation. 763 00:48:33,611 --> 00:48:35,611 I'm driven by success for the family. 764 00:48:35,651 --> 00:48:35,931 I'm driven by success for the family. 765 00:48:35,971 --> 00:48:37,611 It's not about me or the team. 766 00:48:37,651 --> 00:48:39,331 It's about finding some answers for them. 767 00:48:44,771 --> 00:48:46,531 All the questions are coming to you. 768 00:48:46,571 --> 00:48:48,571 "What are you going to do? What's your strategy for arrest? 769 00:48:48,611 --> 00:48:48,891 "What are you going to do? What's your strategy for arrest? 770 00:48:48,931 --> 00:48:50,931 "What's your forensic strategy when we get hold of him? 771 00:48:50,971 --> 00:48:51,451 "What's your forensic strategy when we get hold of him? 772 00:48:51,491 --> 00:48:53,491 {\an8}"What if he injures himself? What if he injures somebody else?" 773 00:48:53,531 --> 00:48:54,051 {\an8}"What if he injures himself? What if he injures somebody else?" 774 00:48:54,091 --> 00:48:56,131 {\an8}You know, there's so many things 775 00:48:56,171 --> 00:48:58,171 {\an8}going through my mind, worrying about. 776 00:48:58,211 --> 00:48:58,451 {\an8}going through my mind, worrying about. 777 00:49:00,931 --> 00:49:02,931 The psychologist is telling us that, actually, the way he's behaving 778 00:49:02,971 --> 00:49:04,571 The psychologist is telling us that, actually, the way he's behaving 779 00:49:04,611 --> 00:49:06,611 is such that he felt he could attack anybody. 780 00:49:06,651 --> 00:49:08,131 is such that he felt he could attack anybody. 781 00:49:08,171 --> 00:49:10,171 Almost every part of your body is tense without you even realising it. 782 00:49:10,211 --> 00:49:12,211 Almost every part of your body is tense without you even realising it. 783 00:49:12,251 --> 00:49:12,771 Almost every part of your body is tense without you even realising it. 784 00:49:15,451 --> 00:49:17,451 Julie and the team decide to house Voong 785 00:49:17,491 --> 00:49:18,811 Julie and the team decide to house Voong 786 00:49:18,851 --> 00:49:20,851 and set up surveillance to contain him. 787 00:49:20,891 --> 00:49:21,491 and set up surveillance to contain him. 788 00:49:21,531 --> 00:49:23,531 However, the rear of the building backs onto allotments, 789 00:49:23,571 --> 00:49:25,211 However, the rear of the building backs onto allotments, 790 00:49:25,251 --> 00:49:27,251 potentially a perfect escape route. 791 00:49:27,291 --> 00:49:27,731 potentially a perfect escape route. 792 00:49:29,011 --> 00:49:31,011 You can imagine, can't you, if he does a runner out the back, 793 00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:31,771 You can imagine, can't you, if he does a runner out the back, 794 00:49:31,811 --> 00:49:33,811 what the news headlines will look like tomorrow? 795 00:49:33,851 --> 00:49:34,851 what the news headlines will look like tomorrow? 796 00:49:34,891 --> 00:49:36,891 And it says, "Oh, police had suspect under their watchful eye - 797 00:49:36,931 --> 00:49:38,931 And it says, "Oh, police had suspect under their watchful eye - 798 00:49:38,971 --> 00:49:39,251 And it says, "Oh, police had suspect under their watchful eye - 799 00:49:39,291 --> 00:49:41,291 "everywhere except where it really mattered, ie the back door, 800 00:49:41,331 --> 00:49:41,691 "everywhere except where it really mattered, ie the back door, 801 00:49:41,731 --> 00:49:43,731 "and they lost him, and now he's on the run." 802 00:49:43,771 --> 00:49:44,011 "and they lost him, and now he's on the run." 803 00:49:44,051 --> 00:49:45,491 Let's hope you get this right. 804 00:49:54,811 --> 00:49:56,811 To avoid a catastrophic escape by their suspect, 805 00:49:56,851 --> 00:49:58,571 To avoid a catastrophic escape by their suspect, 806 00:49:58,611 --> 00:50:00,571 the team leave nothing to chance. 807 00:50:02,851 --> 00:50:04,851 Under the cover of darkness, 808 00:50:04,891 --> 00:50:05,211 Under the cover of darkness, 809 00:50:05,251 --> 00:50:07,251 specialist surveillance CROP officers move in. 810 00:50:07,291 --> 00:50:08,531 specialist surveillance CROP officers move in. 811 00:50:10,211 --> 00:50:12,211 They're trained by special forces to remain unseen 812 00:50:12,251 --> 00:50:13,771 They're trained by special forces to remain unseen 813 00:50:13,811 --> 00:50:15,811 in fields, woods and gardens. 814 00:50:15,851 --> 00:50:16,491 in fields, woods and gardens. 815 00:50:22,171 --> 00:50:24,171 They soon have eyeball on Voong in his house. 816 00:50:24,211 --> 00:50:25,411 They soon have eyeball on Voong in his house. 817 00:50:30,851 --> 00:50:32,851 The specialist firearms team are brought in 818 00:50:32,891 --> 00:50:33,451 The specialist firearms team are brought in 819 00:50:33,491 --> 00:50:35,491 to plan and execute the arrest. 820 00:50:35,531 --> 00:50:35,971 to plan and execute the arrest. 821 00:50:38,531 --> 00:50:40,531 We tend to operate in the hours of darkness, 822 00:50:40,571 --> 00:50:40,851 We tend to operate in the hours of darkness, 823 00:50:40,891 --> 00:50:42,891 just to bide ourselves a little bit of extra breathing space 824 00:50:42,931 --> 00:50:43,571 just to bide ourselves a little bit of extra breathing space 825 00:50:43,611 --> 00:50:45,611 and hopefully to avoid members of the public 826 00:50:45,651 --> 00:50:46,091 and hopefully to avoid members of the public 827 00:50:46,131 --> 00:50:48,131 walking into the area whilst we are operating. 828 00:50:48,171 --> 00:50:48,411 walking into the area whilst we are operating. 829 00:50:49,971 --> 00:50:51,971 The plan for this operation is a dynamic entry, 830 00:50:52,011 --> 00:50:52,251 The plan for this operation is a dynamic entry, 831 00:50:52,291 --> 00:50:54,171 and we'll be using stun grenades 832 00:50:54,211 --> 00:50:56,211 to offer that element of surprise and shock-and-awe tactics 833 00:50:56,251 --> 00:50:57,731 to offer that element of surprise and shock-and-awe tactics 834 00:50:57,771 --> 00:50:59,771 to disorientate anyone that might be within the property. 835 00:50:59,811 --> 00:51:00,771 to disorientate anyone that might be within the property. 836 00:51:03,971 --> 00:51:05,971 In the incident room, the investigation team gathered 837 00:51:06,011 --> 00:51:07,491 In the incident room, the investigation team gathered 838 00:51:07,531 --> 00:51:09,531 to listen to the officers' radios on scene. 839 00:51:09,571 --> 00:51:10,691 to listen to the officers' radios on scene. 840 00:51:10,731 --> 00:51:12,731 It's down to Sean to call the strike. 841 00:51:12,771 --> 00:51:13,571 It's down to Sean to call the strike. 842 00:51:16,091 --> 00:51:18,091 This is an absolutely critical stage of this investigation. 843 00:51:18,131 --> 00:51:19,211 This is an absolutely critical stage of this investigation. 844 00:51:19,251 --> 00:51:21,251 I've got 40 highly trained specialist firearms officers 845 00:51:21,291 --> 00:51:21,931 I've got 40 highly trained specialist firearms officers 846 00:51:21,971 --> 00:51:23,371 about to enter this premises. 847 00:51:23,411 --> 00:51:24,971 Lots could go wrong. 848 00:51:26,771 --> 00:51:28,771 He may take someone inside the house hostage. 849 00:51:28,811 --> 00:51:29,651 He may take someone inside the house hostage. 850 00:51:29,691 --> 00:51:31,451 He may look for death by cop. 851 00:51:31,491 --> 00:51:33,491 He might come at the officers and get shot. 852 00:51:33,531 --> 00:51:33,771 He might come at the officers and get shot. 853 00:51:33,811 --> 00:51:35,291 All of this is on the line. 854 00:51:35,331 --> 00:51:37,331 {\an8}And that's why we're trying to go in dynamically to try and avoid that. 855 00:51:37,371 --> 00:51:38,451 {\an8}And that's why we're trying to go in dynamically to try and avoid that. 856 00:51:41,611 --> 00:51:43,091 OVER RADIO:'Get in position. 857 00:51:43,131 --> 00:51:44,931 'Confirm visual on front entrance. Over.' 858 00:51:46,411 --> 00:51:47,571 'In position.' 859 00:51:48,691 --> 00:51:50,691 I'm listening in with the team. Everybody is quiet. 860 00:51:50,731 --> 00:51:51,891 I'm listening in with the team. Everybody is quiet. 861 00:51:51,931 --> 00:51:53,931 They're just watching intently. I want Jason Voong arrested alive. 862 00:51:53,971 --> 00:51:55,731 They're just watching intently. I want Jason Voong arrested alive. 863 00:51:55,771 --> 00:51:57,771 He needs to answer for his crimes. He needs to face justice. 864 00:51:57,811 --> 00:51:58,971 He needs to answer for his crimes. He needs to face justice. 865 00:52:05,331 --> 00:52:07,331 'It's a strike, strike, strike. 866 00:52:07,371 --> 00:52:08,051 'It's a strike, strike, strike. 867 00:52:10,851 --> 00:52:12,531 'Breaching. Breaching.' 868 00:52:12,571 --> 00:52:14,131 CLATTERING Armed police, get down. 869 00:52:14,171 --> 00:52:16,171 MAN:Move, move! 'Door is open, over.' 870 00:52:16,211 --> 00:52:16,571 MAN:Move, move! 'Door is open, over.' 871 00:52:17,731 --> 00:52:19,371 Ten of us went through the front door 872 00:52:19,411 --> 00:52:21,411 whilst the second team stormed their way through the windows. 873 00:52:21,451 --> 00:52:22,051 whilst the second team stormed their way through the windows. 874 00:52:23,411 --> 00:52:25,411 And a further team covered from the back. 875 00:52:25,451 --> 00:52:25,851 And a further team covered from the back. 876 00:52:25,891 --> 00:52:27,891 As we entered the hallway, it was very narrow and thin. 877 00:52:27,931 --> 00:52:29,171 As we entered the hallway, it was very narrow and thin. 878 00:52:29,211 --> 00:52:30,611 Police! Police! 879 00:52:30,651 --> 00:52:32,651 SEAN MEMORY:Dynamic entry is literally as it seems. 880 00:52:32,691 --> 00:52:32,971 SEAN MEMORY:Dynamic entry is literally as it seems. 881 00:52:33,011 --> 00:52:35,011 There's people going in off the top floor, ground floor, 882 00:52:35,051 --> 00:52:35,771 There's people going in off the top floor, ground floor, 883 00:52:35,811 --> 00:52:37,811 there's bangs going off, there's flares, there's smoke. 884 00:52:37,851 --> 00:52:38,691 there's bangs going off, there's flares, there's smoke. 885 00:52:38,731 --> 00:52:40,731 Everything that you've probably seen in the movies 886 00:52:40,771 --> 00:52:41,051 Everything that you've probably seen in the movies 887 00:52:41,091 --> 00:52:43,091 is all happening in this quiet part of Swindon. 888 00:52:43,131 --> 00:52:43,371 is all happening in this quiet part of Swindon. 889 00:52:43,411 --> 00:52:45,211 Armed police, armed police. 890 00:52:45,251 --> 00:52:47,291 Hallway clear. Hallway clear. 891 00:52:47,331 --> 00:52:49,131 {\an8}The idea is that you put them on the back foot 892 00:52:49,171 --> 00:52:50,491 {\an8}and you can safely arrest him. 893 00:52:50,531 --> 00:52:52,531 The atmosphere is tense. 894 00:52:52,571 --> 00:52:52,811 The atmosphere is tense. 895 00:52:52,851 --> 00:52:54,851 This is an extremely dangerous man. What happens if it goes wrong? 896 00:52:54,891 --> 00:52:56,171 This is an extremely dangerous man. What happens if it goes wrong? 897 00:52:56,211 --> 00:52:58,011 What happens if he fires a shot, 898 00:52:58,051 --> 00:53:00,051 if he's got a gun or runs at the officers with a knife? 899 00:53:00,091 --> 00:53:00,811 if he's got a gun or runs at the officers with a knife? 900 00:53:00,851 --> 00:53:02,571 All the culmination of this investigation 901 00:53:02,611 --> 00:53:04,611 is coming down to this final few minutes. 902 00:53:04,651 --> 00:53:05,251 is coming down to this final few minutes. 903 00:53:06,811 --> 00:53:08,811 Voong came from the rear of the property towards the officers. 904 00:53:08,851 --> 00:53:10,051 Voong came from the rear of the property towards the officers. 905 00:53:10,091 --> 00:53:12,091 Armed police, stay where you are. Don't move. 906 00:53:12,131 --> 00:53:12,331 Armed police, stay where you are. Don't move. 907 00:53:13,291 --> 00:53:15,291 He was confronted by large shouts of "armed police", 908 00:53:15,331 --> 00:53:15,971 He was confronted by large shouts of "armed police", 909 00:53:16,011 --> 00:53:17,451 which he didn't adhere to. 910 00:53:17,491 --> 00:53:19,171 He continued to close those officers down 911 00:53:19,211 --> 00:53:21,091 and was running very quickly towards us. 912 00:53:21,131 --> 00:53:22,891 We had a split-second decision - 913 00:53:22,931 --> 00:53:24,851 to decide whether or not the man was armed. 914 00:53:28,291 --> 00:53:30,291 There's two phrases that are gonna come out of this scenario. 915 00:53:30,331 --> 00:53:30,851 There's two phrases that are gonna come out of this scenario. 916 00:53:30,891 --> 00:53:32,891 One is "suspect down", which effectively means he's been shot. 917 00:53:32,931 --> 00:53:34,211 One is "suspect down", which effectively means he's been shot. 918 00:53:34,251 --> 00:53:36,291 That's the worst-case scenario. 919 00:53:36,331 --> 00:53:38,331 The one that I wanna hear is "suspect detained". 920 00:53:38,371 --> 00:53:39,091 The one that I wanna hear is "suspect detained". 921 00:53:39,131 --> 00:53:41,131 You're just waiting for those words, but it seems to take an eternity. 922 00:53:41,171 --> 00:53:42,011 You're just waiting for those words, but it seems to take an eternity. 923 00:53:42,051 --> 00:53:44,051 Get on the ground! Get down, get down! Stay down. 924 00:53:44,091 --> 00:53:45,571 Get on the ground! Get down, get down! Stay down. 925 00:53:48,291 --> 00:53:49,971 OVER RADIO: 'We have the suspect detained. 926 00:53:50,011 --> 00:53:51,691 'No other persons present. Over.' 927 00:53:56,131 --> 00:53:58,131 There's almost a palpable relief in the incident room. 928 00:53:58,171 --> 00:53:59,251 There's almost a palpable relief in the incident room. 929 00:53:59,291 --> 00:54:01,291 It's not a joyous occasion, but it's absolute relief. 930 00:54:01,331 --> 00:54:01,611 It's not a joyous occasion, but it's absolute relief. 931 00:54:01,651 --> 00:54:03,651 And there is a cry out of, "Yes, people of Swindon, 932 00:54:03,691 --> 00:54:04,251 And there is a cry out of, "Yes, people of Swindon, 933 00:54:04,291 --> 00:54:06,291 "you know, effectively are now safe. We've caught our man." 934 00:54:06,331 --> 00:54:07,291 "you know, effectively are now safe. We've caught our man." 935 00:54:07,331 --> 00:54:09,331 And then it's almost immediately switched into focus of, 936 00:54:09,371 --> 00:54:09,731 And then it's almost immediately switched into focus of, 937 00:54:09,771 --> 00:54:11,251 "What do we need to do next?" 938 00:54:19,771 --> 00:54:21,571 REPORTER: Some breaking news this morning. 939 00:54:21,611 --> 00:54:23,611 A 28-year-old man has been arrested 940 00:54:23,651 --> 00:54:23,891 A 28-year-old man has been arrested 941 00:54:23,931 --> 00:54:25,931 in connection with the murder of Tom Rogers 942 00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:26,531 in connection with the murder of Tom Rogers 943 00:54:26,571 --> 00:54:28,571 and the assault of a young woman, which occurred seven weeks ago 944 00:54:28,611 --> 00:54:29,931 and the assault of a young woman, which occurred seven weeks ago 945 00:54:29,971 --> 00:54:31,971 near the underpass at Swindon railway station. 946 00:54:32,011 --> 00:54:33,331 near the underpass at Swindon railway station. 947 00:54:34,811 --> 00:54:36,811 Jason Voong is taken to Gablecross Police Station 948 00:54:36,851 --> 00:54:38,851 Jason Voong is taken to Gablecross Police Station 949 00:54:38,891 --> 00:54:39,131 Jason Voong is taken to Gablecross Police Station 950 00:54:39,171 --> 00:54:41,171 to await questioning. 951 00:54:41,211 --> 00:54:41,451 to await questioning. 952 00:54:41,491 --> 00:54:43,491 His family's property is now treated as a crime scene 953 00:54:43,531 --> 00:54:45,291 His family's property is now treated as a crime scene 954 00:54:45,331 --> 00:54:47,331 and turned over to forensic officers. 955 00:54:47,371 --> 00:54:48,691 and turned over to forensic officers. 956 00:54:48,731 --> 00:54:50,731 The burning question on everyone's mind - 957 00:54:50,771 --> 00:54:52,011 The burning question on everyone's mind - 958 00:54:52,051 --> 00:54:54,051 how did a 28-year-old with only a minor cannabis conviction 959 00:54:54,091 --> 00:54:56,091 how did a 28-year-old with only a minor cannabis conviction 960 00:54:56,131 --> 00:54:56,371 how did a 28-year-old with only a minor cannabis conviction 961 00:54:56,411 --> 00:54:58,411 escalate to cold-blooded murder? 962 00:54:58,451 --> 00:54:58,931 escalate to cold-blooded murder? 963 00:55:00,171 --> 00:55:02,171 JULIE MACKAY:When we first got him in, one of our key concerns 964 00:55:02,211 --> 00:55:02,651 JULIE MACKAY:When we first got him in, one of our key concerns 965 00:55:02,691 --> 00:55:04,691 was around his mental health capacity 966 00:55:04,731 --> 00:55:05,011 was around his mental health capacity 967 00:55:05,051 --> 00:55:07,051 because of the extreme nature of the offence that he'd committed. 968 00:55:07,091 --> 00:55:08,291 because of the extreme nature of the offence that he'd committed. 969 00:55:08,331 --> 00:55:10,331 So we went through a process of having him assessed 970 00:55:10,371 --> 00:55:11,411 So we went through a process of having him assessed 971 00:55:11,451 --> 00:55:12,971 by a police doctor, 972 00:55:13,011 --> 00:55:15,011 and we also touched base with some psychiatrists as well, 973 00:55:15,051 --> 00:55:16,491 and we also touched base with some psychiatrists as well, 974 00:55:16,531 --> 00:55:18,531 just to get some advice, really, on how to deal with him. 975 00:55:18,571 --> 00:55:19,331 just to get some advice, really, on how to deal with him. 976 00:55:21,251 --> 00:55:23,251 Meanwhile, officers at Voong's home uncover some critical evidence... 977 00:55:23,291 --> 00:55:25,291 Meanwhile, officers at Voong's home uncover some critical evidence... 978 00:55:25,331 --> 00:55:27,331 Meanwhile, officers at Voong's home uncover some critical evidence... 979 00:55:27,371 --> 00:55:27,611 Meanwhile, officers at Voong's home uncover some critical evidence... 980 00:55:27,651 --> 00:55:29,491 the top half of a pool cue. 981 00:55:31,571 --> 00:55:33,571 And as luck would have it, the two ends go together. 982 00:55:33,611 --> 00:55:35,611 And as luck would have it, the two ends go together. 983 00:55:35,651 --> 00:55:36,691 And as luck would have it, the two ends go together. 984 00:55:36,731 --> 00:55:38,731 Really, really exciting. 985 00:55:38,771 --> 00:55:39,331 Really, really exciting. 986 00:55:39,371 --> 00:55:41,371 Lab analysis reveals this matches the bottom part 987 00:55:41,411 --> 00:55:43,171 Lab analysis reveals this matches the bottom part 988 00:55:43,211 --> 00:55:45,211 they can prove was used in the brutal attack on Leanne, 989 00:55:45,251 --> 00:55:46,811 they can prove was used in the brutal attack on Leanne, 990 00:55:46,851 --> 00:55:48,851 tying him directly to the assault. 991 00:55:48,891 --> 00:55:50,251 tying him directly to the assault. 992 00:55:51,371 --> 00:55:53,371 The next piece of key evidence that we've recovered 993 00:55:53,411 --> 00:55:53,691 The next piece of key evidence that we've recovered 994 00:55:53,731 --> 00:55:55,731 from Voong's house is the trainers, 995 00:55:55,771 --> 00:55:57,011 from Voong's house is the trainers, 996 00:55:57,051 --> 00:55:59,051 and we get blood from our victim, Tom, 997 00:55:59,091 --> 00:56:00,331 and we get blood from our victim, Tom, 998 00:56:00,371 --> 00:56:02,371 on the sole of one shoe, 999 00:56:02,411 --> 00:56:03,371 on the sole of one shoe, 1000 00:56:03,411 --> 00:56:05,411 and we get blood from our other victim, Leanne, 1001 00:56:05,451 --> 00:56:06,811 and we get blood from our other victim, Leanne, 1002 00:56:06,851 --> 00:56:08,851 in this tongue area by the laces. 1003 00:56:08,891 --> 00:56:09,811 in this tongue area by the laces. 1004 00:56:09,851 --> 00:56:11,851 So now we can tie Voong to both victims. 1005 00:56:11,891 --> 00:56:13,611 So now we can tie Voong to both victims. 1006 00:56:15,051 --> 00:56:17,051 But it's the forensic search of Voong's computer 1007 00:56:17,091 --> 00:56:18,531 But it's the forensic search of Voong's computer 1008 00:56:18,571 --> 00:56:20,571 that uncovers a disturbing glimpse into the killer's mind. 1009 00:56:20,611 --> 00:56:22,251 that uncovers a disturbing glimpse into the killer's mind. 1010 00:56:23,411 --> 00:56:25,411 We discovered that he'd been researching 1011 00:56:25,451 --> 00:56:25,731 We discovered that he'd been researching 1012 00:56:25,771 --> 00:56:27,411 how to decapitate somebody, 1013 00:56:27,451 --> 00:56:29,451 and he'd also been researching the purchase of machetes. 1014 00:56:29,491 --> 00:56:30,411 and he'd also been researching the purchase of machetes. 1015 00:56:30,451 --> 00:56:32,451 And that's a bit of a blood-curdling moment when you come across that. 1016 00:56:32,491 --> 00:56:34,491 And that's a bit of a blood-curdling moment when you come across that. 1017 00:56:34,531 --> 00:56:34,811 And that's a bit of a blood-curdling moment when you come across that. 1018 00:56:34,851 --> 00:56:36,731 I'm really pleased that we had him in custody 1019 00:56:36,771 --> 00:56:38,571 before somebody else was murdered. 1020 00:56:44,971 --> 00:56:46,971 As news spreads of Voong's capture, word reaches his surviving victim, 1021 00:56:47,011 --> 00:56:49,011 As news spreads of Voong's capture, word reaches his surviving victim, 1022 00:56:49,051 --> 00:56:50,331 As news spreads of Voong's capture, word reaches his surviving victim, 1023 00:56:50,371 --> 00:56:52,371 Leanne, that her attacker is safely behind bars. 1024 00:56:52,411 --> 00:56:54,411 Leanne, that her attacker is safely behind bars. 1025 00:56:54,451 --> 00:56:55,691 Leanne, that her attacker is safely behind bars. 1026 00:56:55,731 --> 00:56:57,611 I got a call from the police saying, 1027 00:56:57,651 --> 00:56:59,411 you know, "You've probably heard about it." 1028 00:56:59,451 --> 00:57:01,451 I was just angry at the time because I know they did everything 1029 00:57:01,491 --> 00:57:02,091 I was just angry at the time because I know they did everything 1030 00:57:02,131 --> 00:57:04,131 that they could have done, but was just disappointed, thinking, 1031 00:57:04,171 --> 00:57:04,691 that they could have done, but was just disappointed, thinking, 1032 00:57:04,731 --> 00:57:06,731 "If they'd caught him sooner, then Tom would still be alive." 1033 00:57:06,771 --> 00:57:07,651 "If they'd caught him sooner, then Tom would still be alive." 1034 00:57:09,771 --> 00:57:11,771 {\an8}I know what I went through is not comparable 1035 00:57:11,811 --> 00:57:13,051 {\an8}I know what I went through is not comparable 1036 00:57:13,091 --> 00:57:15,051 {\an8}to what Tom went through and Tom's family - 1037 00:57:15,091 --> 00:57:17,091 {\an8}I know that, I know I'm very lucky - 1038 00:57:17,131 --> 00:57:17,411 {\an8}I know that, I know I'm very lucky - 1039 00:57:17,451 --> 00:57:19,451 {\an8}but it was, you know... it was still very traumatic. 1040 00:57:19,491 --> 00:57:20,611 {\an8}but it was, you know... it was still very traumatic. 1041 00:57:20,651 --> 00:57:22,371 {\an8}It was still frightening, and it was still... 1042 00:57:23,731 --> 00:57:25,731 {\an8}..hurt, you know? So... 1043 00:57:25,771 --> 00:57:25,931 {\an8}..hurt, you know? So... 1044 00:57:27,251 --> 00:57:29,011 I'm very grateful that they caught him 1045 00:57:29,051 --> 00:57:31,051 and he's not out hurting other people. 1046 00:57:31,091 --> 00:57:31,291 and he's not out hurting other people. 1047 00:57:35,371 --> 00:57:37,371 While Leanne grapples with surviving the clutches 1048 00:57:37,411 --> 00:57:38,411 While Leanne grapples with surviving the clutches 1049 00:57:38,451 --> 00:57:40,451 of a possible serial killer in the making... 1050 00:57:40,491 --> 00:57:40,931 of a possible serial killer in the making... 1051 00:57:42,531 --> 00:57:44,531 ..it's time for Tom's sister Dawn to pay her final respects. 1052 00:57:44,571 --> 00:57:46,571 ..it's time for Tom's sister Dawn to pay her final respects. 1053 00:57:46,611 --> 00:57:46,811 ..it's time for Tom's sister Dawn to pay her final respects. 1054 00:57:49,531 --> 00:57:51,491 I wanted to see Tom in the box. 1055 00:57:51,531 --> 00:57:53,451 I wanted to see him, and I wanted to touch him, 1056 00:57:53,491 --> 00:57:55,491 so I went in with just my sister. 1057 00:57:55,531 --> 00:57:56,931 so I went in with just my sister. 1058 00:57:56,971 --> 00:57:58,971 But I touched him, and I talked to him. Yeah. 1059 00:57:59,011 --> 00:58:00,651 But I touched him, and I talked to him. Yeah. 1060 00:58:00,691 --> 00:58:02,211 And I said, erm... 1061 00:58:03,971 --> 00:58:05,971 .."We're here to let you go, Tom, set you free and let you go." 1062 00:58:06,011 --> 00:58:07,731 .."We're here to let you go, Tom, set you free and let you go." 1063 00:58:07,771 --> 00:58:09,771 But I do remember saying everything that was in my heart to him 1064 00:58:09,811 --> 00:58:11,811 But I do remember saying everything that was in my heart to him 1065 00:58:11,851 --> 00:58:12,451 But I do remember saying everything that was in my heart to him 1066 00:58:12,491 --> 00:58:14,491 when I saw him, and I was so glad I did. 1067 00:58:14,531 --> 00:58:14,731 when I saw him, and I was so glad I did. 1068 00:58:19,051 --> 00:58:21,051 With Tom's killer now in custody, 1069 00:58:21,091 --> 00:58:21,451 With Tom's killer now in custody, 1070 00:58:21,491 --> 00:58:23,491 Dawn is desperate for answers and justice. 1071 00:58:23,531 --> 00:58:25,531 Dawn is desperate for answers and justice. 1072 00:58:25,571 --> 00:58:25,771 Dawn is desperate for answers and justice. 1073 00:58:27,091 --> 00:58:28,891 It's unthinkable. 1074 00:58:28,931 --> 00:58:30,931 You know, there he was, 60 years old, 1075 00:58:30,971 --> 00:58:31,251 You know, there he was, 60 years old, 1076 00:58:31,291 --> 00:58:33,211 almost ready to knock on the door to retirement 1077 00:58:33,251 --> 00:58:35,251 and actually enjoy, you know, his life, 1078 00:58:35,291 --> 00:58:35,611 and actually enjoy, you know, his life, 1079 00:58:35,651 --> 00:58:37,651 but cut short that night, 1080 00:58:37,691 --> 00:58:38,691 but cut short that night, 1081 00:58:38,731 --> 00:58:40,651 taken in such a violent, horrible way, 1082 00:58:40,691 --> 00:58:42,131 and you're never gonna see him again. 1083 00:58:46,451 --> 00:58:48,451 What I was dying to know was... 1084 00:58:48,491 --> 00:58:49,451 What I was dying to know was... 1085 00:58:49,491 --> 00:58:51,491 you know, with this horrible, horrible attack, 1086 00:58:51,531 --> 00:58:52,411 you know, with this horrible, horrible attack, 1087 00:58:52,451 --> 00:58:54,451 was I was hoping that he went, like... 1088 00:58:54,491 --> 00:58:55,971 was I was hoping that he went, like... 1089 00:58:56,011 --> 00:58:58,011 with the first blow and he didn't suffer, you know. 1090 00:58:58,051 --> 00:58:58,811 with the first blow and he didn't suffer, you know. 1091 00:58:58,851 --> 00:59:00,851 But it was just shocking. Shocking. 1092 00:59:00,891 --> 00:59:01,451 But it was just shocking. Shocking. 1093 00:59:04,411 --> 00:59:06,411 Back in the incident room, detectives are gearing up 1094 00:59:06,451 --> 00:59:07,611 Back in the incident room, detectives are gearing up 1095 00:59:07,651 --> 00:59:09,651 to confront Swindon's underpass killer. 1096 00:59:09,691 --> 00:59:10,531 to confront Swindon's underpass killer. 1097 00:59:12,051 --> 00:59:14,051 But will they get the answers they've been waiting for? 1098 00:59:14,091 --> 00:59:15,891 But will they get the answers they've been waiting for? 1099 00:59:15,931 --> 00:59:17,051 He was very, very calm. 1100 00:59:17,091 --> 00:59:19,091 Almost cold, I suppose, is the way to describe it. 1101 00:59:19,131 --> 00:59:20,011 Almost cold, I suppose, is the way to describe it. 1102 00:59:20,051 --> 00:59:22,051 SEAN MEMORY: He couldn't deny the facts. 1103 00:59:22,091 --> 00:59:22,411 SEAN MEMORY: He couldn't deny the facts. 1104 00:59:22,451 --> 00:59:24,131 The evidence was overwhelming. 1105 00:59:42,493 --> 00:59:44,493 After a tense four-day large-scale murder investigation... 1106 00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:46,293 After a tense four-day large-scale murder investigation... 1107 00:59:46,333 --> 00:59:48,333 CRASHING 1108 00:59:48,373 --> 00:59:48,613 CRASHING 1109 00:59:48,653 --> 00:59:50,653 ..a high-impact specialist firearms raid 1110 00:59:50,693 --> 00:59:51,453 ..a high-impact specialist firearms raid 1111 00:59:51,493 --> 00:59:53,493 brings Swindon's underpass killer, Jason Voong, into custody. 1112 00:59:53,533 --> 00:59:55,533 brings Swindon's underpass killer, Jason Voong, into custody. 1113 00:59:55,573 --> 00:59:55,773 brings Swindon's underpass killer, Jason Voong, into custody. 1114 00:59:57,533 --> 00:59:59,533 Inside his home, Wiltshire Police have uncovered 1115 00:59:59,573 --> 01:00:00,853 Inside his home, Wiltshire Police have uncovered 1116 01:00:00,893 --> 01:00:02,893 undeniable forensic evidence 1117 01:00:02,933 --> 01:00:03,293 undeniable forensic evidence 1118 01:00:03,333 --> 01:00:05,333 linking him to the brutal stabbing of Tom Rogers 1119 01:00:05,373 --> 01:00:07,333 linking him to the brutal stabbing of Tom Rogers 1120 01:00:07,373 --> 01:00:09,373 and a vicious assault on Leanne Janes. 1121 01:00:09,413 --> 01:00:10,493 and a vicious assault on Leanne Janes. 1122 01:00:10,533 --> 01:00:12,533 But the most disturbing discovery 1123 01:00:12,573 --> 01:00:12,773 But the most disturbing discovery 1124 01:00:12,813 --> 01:00:14,813 lay in his computer search history, 1125 01:00:14,853 --> 01:00:15,773 lay in his computer search history, 1126 01:00:15,813 --> 01:00:17,813 exposing a chilling intent to kill again. 1127 01:00:17,853 --> 01:00:19,853 exposing a chilling intent to kill again. 1128 01:00:19,893 --> 01:00:20,133 exposing a chilling intent to kill again. 1129 01:00:20,173 --> 01:00:22,173 He was always very dangerous. 1130 01:00:22,213 --> 01:00:22,573 He was always very dangerous. 1131 01:00:22,613 --> 01:00:24,613 I think the sad thing is we perhaps didn't understand 1132 01:00:24,653 --> 01:00:24,933 I think the sad thing is we perhaps didn't understand 1133 01:00:24,973 --> 01:00:26,973 or recognise how dangerous he was or the potential of that 1134 01:00:27,013 --> 01:00:27,373 or recognise how dangerous he was or the potential of that 1135 01:00:27,413 --> 01:00:29,413 when he'd attacked Leanne. 1136 01:00:29,453 --> 01:00:31,453 But there's not many people like Voong on this planet. 1137 01:00:31,493 --> 01:00:32,973 But there's not many people like Voong on this planet. 1138 01:00:33,013 --> 01:00:35,013 There's not that many people who have the potential to attack 1139 01:00:35,053 --> 01:00:37,053 There's not that many people who have the potential to attack 1140 01:00:37,093 --> 01:00:37,373 There's not that many people who have the potential to attack 1141 01:00:37,413 --> 01:00:39,413 and then kill and then go on to become serial killers, 1142 01:00:39,453 --> 01:00:40,613 and then kill and then go on to become serial killers, 1143 01:00:40,653 --> 01:00:42,653 which is clearly where he was heading. 1144 01:00:42,693 --> 01:00:43,173 which is clearly where he was heading. 1145 01:00:45,613 --> 01:00:47,613 Detectives have Voong bang to rights, 1146 01:00:47,653 --> 01:00:49,413 Detectives have Voong bang to rights, 1147 01:00:49,453 --> 01:00:51,453 but the burning question remains. 1148 01:00:51,493 --> 01:00:51,693 but the burning question remains. 1149 01:00:51,733 --> 01:00:53,733 Why has this 28-year-old escalated 1150 01:00:53,773 --> 01:00:54,893 Why has this 28-year-old escalated 1151 01:00:54,933 --> 01:00:56,933 from petty crime to cold-blooded murder? 1152 01:00:56,973 --> 01:00:58,013 from petty crime to cold-blooded murder? 1153 01:01:00,853 --> 01:01:02,853 They have 36 hours to question Voong 1154 01:01:02,893 --> 01:01:03,853 They have 36 hours to question Voong 1155 01:01:03,893 --> 01:01:05,773 before they must formally charge him. 1156 01:01:07,093 --> 01:01:08,533 So, you may expect him to be agitated. 1157 01:01:08,573 --> 01:01:10,573 But he wasn't. Very, very calm. 1158 01:01:10,613 --> 01:01:10,853 But he wasn't. Very, very calm. 1159 01:01:10,893 --> 01:01:12,893 Almost cold, I suppose, is the way to describe it. 1160 01:01:12,933 --> 01:01:13,293 Almost cold, I suppose, is the way to describe it. 1161 01:01:13,333 --> 01:01:15,333 Very calm and cold and controlled. 1162 01:01:15,373 --> 01:01:16,613 Very calm and cold and controlled. 1163 01:01:16,653 --> 01:01:18,453 And the first interview, the first question 1164 01:01:18,493 --> 01:01:20,493 that you always say to any suspect is, "Did you do it?" 1165 01:01:20,533 --> 01:01:20,813 that you always say to any suspect is, "Did you do it?" 1166 01:01:20,853 --> 01:01:22,853 But, of course, he said, "No comment," and that was it. 1167 01:01:22,893 --> 01:01:23,453 But, of course, he said, "No comment," and that was it. 1168 01:01:23,493 --> 01:01:25,493 And he never answered a question for the whole duration 1169 01:01:25,533 --> 01:01:25,773 And he never answered a question for the whole duration 1170 01:01:25,813 --> 01:01:26,933 of his time in custody. 1171 01:01:29,653 --> 01:01:31,653 He couldn't deny the facts. 1172 01:01:31,693 --> 01:01:31,973 He couldn't deny the facts. 1173 01:01:32,013 --> 01:01:34,013 We had DNA on the shoe, on the knife. 1174 01:01:34,053 --> 01:01:35,533 We had DNA on the shoe, on the knife. 1175 01:01:35,573 --> 01:01:37,573 We had blood at the scene. The evidence was overwhelming. 1176 01:01:37,613 --> 01:01:38,093 We had blood at the scene. The evidence was overwhelming. 1177 01:01:38,133 --> 01:01:40,133 He'd gone from a cannabis user to a murderer 1178 01:01:40,173 --> 01:01:41,133 He'd gone from a cannabis user to a murderer 1179 01:01:41,173 --> 01:01:42,853 and taken no steps in between. 1180 01:01:42,893 --> 01:01:44,893 {\an8}What we couldn't decide was whether he'd committed this crime 1181 01:01:44,933 --> 01:01:46,933 {\an8}What we couldn't decide was whether he'd committed this crime 1182 01:01:46,973 --> 01:01:47,373 {\an8}What we couldn't decide was whether he'd committed this crime 1183 01:01:47,413 --> 01:01:49,413 {\an8}through murder or whether through a problem with his own mind. 1184 01:01:49,453 --> 01:01:50,733 {\an8}through murder or whether through a problem with his own mind. 1185 01:01:53,093 --> 01:01:55,093 Voong is charged with the murder of Tom Rogers 1186 01:01:55,133 --> 01:01:56,373 Voong is charged with the murder of Tom Rogers 1187 01:01:56,413 --> 01:01:58,413 and the attempted murder of Leanne James. 1188 01:01:58,453 --> 01:01:59,013 and the attempted murder of Leanne James. 1189 01:02:10,493 --> 01:02:12,493 After delays caused by mental health assessments, 1190 01:02:12,533 --> 01:02:13,653 After delays caused by mental health assessments, 1191 01:02:13,693 --> 01:02:15,693 nearly a year and a half later, 1192 01:02:15,733 --> 01:02:15,973 nearly a year and a half later, 1193 01:02:16,013 --> 01:02:18,013 Voong's trial finally begins at Bristol Crown Court. 1194 01:02:18,053 --> 01:02:20,053 Voong's trial finally begins at Bristol Crown Court. 1195 01:02:20,093 --> 01:02:20,373 Voong's trial finally begins at Bristol Crown Court. 1196 01:02:23,693 --> 01:02:25,693 The family of murder victim Tom Rogers arrive. 1197 01:02:25,733 --> 01:02:27,453 The family of murder victim Tom Rogers arrive. 1198 01:02:29,013 --> 01:02:31,013 When he came into the courtroom, I... 1199 01:02:31,053 --> 01:02:31,453 When he came into the courtroom, I... 1200 01:02:31,493 --> 01:02:33,493 I didn't realise he was gonna be sort of up behind us, 1201 01:02:33,533 --> 01:02:34,733 I didn't realise he was gonna be sort of up behind us, 1202 01:02:34,773 --> 01:02:36,773 you know, behind glass. 1203 01:02:36,813 --> 01:02:36,973 you know, behind glass. 1204 01:02:38,573 --> 01:02:40,573 But as a sister, I had to have that look. 1205 01:02:40,613 --> 01:02:42,253 But as a sister, I had to have that look. 1206 01:02:42,293 --> 01:02:44,053 I had to look this person in the eye 1207 01:02:44,093 --> 01:02:46,093 that took away someone so special... from me. 1208 01:02:46,133 --> 01:02:48,133 that took away someone so special... from me. 1209 01:02:48,173 --> 01:02:48,653 that took away someone so special... from me. 1210 01:02:48,693 --> 01:02:50,213 He saw me. 1211 01:02:50,253 --> 01:02:52,253 I looked at him, and he looked at me. 1212 01:02:52,293 --> 01:02:53,093 I looked at him, and he looked at me. 1213 01:02:53,133 --> 01:02:55,133 And that's what I wanted on the day. 1214 01:02:55,173 --> 01:02:55,533 And that's what I wanted on the day. 1215 01:02:55,573 --> 01:02:57,493 I got that on the day. 1216 01:02:58,933 --> 01:03:00,933 Also in court was Leanne, 1217 01:03:00,973 --> 01:03:01,533 Also in court was Leanne, 1218 01:03:01,573 --> 01:03:03,573 Voong's first victim and survivor of his brutal attack. 1219 01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:05,613 Voong's first victim and survivor of his brutal attack. 1220 01:03:05,653 --> 01:03:06,053 Voong's first victim and survivor of his brutal attack. 1221 01:03:06,093 --> 01:03:08,093 So, I was called to give evidence on the first day, 1222 01:03:08,133 --> 01:03:08,493 So, I was called to give evidence on the first day, 1223 01:03:08,533 --> 01:03:10,373 and I wanted to be there to, you know, 1224 01:03:10,413 --> 01:03:11,893 support Tom's family as well. 1225 01:03:11,933 --> 01:03:13,933 And obviously, you know, I was nervous and stuff 1226 01:03:13,973 --> 01:03:14,573 And obviously, you know, I was nervous and stuff 1227 01:03:14,613 --> 01:03:16,613 because I'd never been through the legal system before. 1228 01:03:16,653 --> 01:03:16,933 because I'd never been through the legal system before. 1229 01:03:16,973 --> 01:03:18,973 I'd never given evidence or been in a courtroom. 1230 01:03:19,013 --> 01:03:19,973 I'd never given evidence or been in a courtroom. 1231 01:03:20,013 --> 01:03:21,933 But, yeah, I was determined I wasn't gonna hide. 1232 01:03:21,973 --> 01:03:23,973 So I went in, I gave my evidence, and, you know, 1233 01:03:24,013 --> 01:03:24,893 So I went in, I gave my evidence, and, you know, 1234 01:03:24,933 --> 01:03:26,933 he was just watching me the whole time. 1235 01:03:26,973 --> 01:03:27,173 he was just watching me the whole time. 1236 01:03:28,413 --> 01:03:30,413 I was feeling a bit intimidated because he was just staring at me. 1237 01:03:30,453 --> 01:03:31,613 I was feeling a bit intimidated because he was just staring at me. 1238 01:03:31,653 --> 01:03:33,653 Erm, I thought it was important that I went and told them what happened. 1239 01:03:33,693 --> 01:03:35,693 Erm, I thought it was important that I went and told them what happened. 1240 01:03:35,733 --> 01:03:36,493 Erm, I thought it was important that I went and told them what happened. 1241 01:03:40,173 --> 01:03:42,173 The fact that Leanne really followed through 1242 01:03:42,213 --> 01:03:43,133 The fact that Leanne really followed through 1243 01:03:43,173 --> 01:03:45,173 and went to court to give evidence is remarkable. 1244 01:03:45,213 --> 01:03:46,413 and went to court to give evidence is remarkable. 1245 01:03:46,453 --> 01:03:48,453 I don't think anybody realises 1246 01:03:48,493 --> 01:03:48,733 I don't think anybody realises 1247 01:03:48,773 --> 01:03:50,773 how scary and intimidating the courtroom can be. 1248 01:03:50,813 --> 01:03:51,293 how scary and intimidating the courtroom can be. 1249 01:03:51,333 --> 01:03:53,333 So I absolutely admire her 110% 1250 01:03:53,373 --> 01:03:55,373 So I absolutely admire her 110% 1251 01:03:55,413 --> 01:03:55,653 So I absolutely admire her 110% 1252 01:03:55,693 --> 01:03:57,693 for taking that brave step. 1253 01:03:57,733 --> 01:03:57,893 for taking that brave step. 1254 01:03:59,693 --> 01:04:01,693 SEAN MEMORY:Jason Voong attended court, barely spoke, 1255 01:04:01,733 --> 01:04:02,813 SEAN MEMORY:Jason Voong attended court, barely spoke, 1256 01:04:02,853 --> 01:04:04,853 not engaging in any of the court processes. 1257 01:04:04,893 --> 01:04:05,213 not engaging in any of the court processes. 1258 01:04:05,253 --> 01:04:07,253 We know subsequently that he had a rare form of schizophrenia, 1259 01:04:07,293 --> 01:04:08,933 We know subsequently that he had a rare form of schizophrenia, 1260 01:04:08,973 --> 01:04:10,973 which was diagnosed whilst he was on remand. 1261 01:04:11,013 --> 01:04:11,333 which was diagnosed whilst he was on remand. 1262 01:04:12,573 --> 01:04:14,573 {\an8}The family were trying to manage the change in mood swings 1263 01:04:14,613 --> 01:04:15,253 {\an8}The family were trying to manage the change in mood swings 1264 01:04:15,293 --> 01:04:17,133 {\an8}by buying him cannabis. 1265 01:04:17,173 --> 01:04:19,173 He refused help, and the family didn't seek help. 1266 01:04:19,213 --> 01:04:19,693 He refused help, and the family didn't seek help. 1267 01:04:19,733 --> 01:04:21,173 They were trying to self-medicate 1268 01:04:21,213 --> 01:04:23,053 and look after him as best they could. 1269 01:04:23,093 --> 01:04:25,093 And it was a strange trial because it wasn't necessarily about 1270 01:04:25,133 --> 01:04:25,533 And it was a strange trial because it wasn't necessarily about 1271 01:04:25,573 --> 01:04:27,253 who was responsible. 1272 01:04:27,293 --> 01:04:29,293 {\an8}It was a conversation and an argument between psychiatrists 1273 01:04:29,333 --> 01:04:29,853 {\an8}It was a conversation and an argument between psychiatrists 1274 01:04:29,893 --> 01:04:31,893 {\an8}as to whether he was mentally incapable of forming the intent 1275 01:04:31,933 --> 01:04:33,533 {\an8}as to whether he was mentally incapable of forming the intent 1276 01:04:33,573 --> 01:04:35,173 {\an8}or whether he was guilty of murder. 1277 01:04:38,533 --> 01:04:40,533 REPORTER:A man who attacked two strangers 1278 01:04:40,573 --> 01:04:40,813 REPORTER:A man who attacked two strangers 1279 01:04:40,853 --> 01:04:42,013 on their way home from work, 1280 01:04:42,053 --> 01:04:44,053 killing one and seriously injuring the other, 1281 01:04:44,093 --> 01:04:44,453 killing one and seriously injuring the other, 1282 01:04:44,493 --> 01:04:46,493 has been convicted of manslaughter. 1283 01:04:46,533 --> 01:04:48,533 Both attacks took place on a cycle path just... 1284 01:04:48,573 --> 01:04:49,053 Both attacks took place on a cycle path just... 1285 01:04:49,093 --> 01:04:51,093 Jason Voong was found guilty of manslaughter 1286 01:04:51,133 --> 01:04:52,293 Jason Voong was found guilty of manslaughter 1287 01:04:52,333 --> 01:04:54,333 on the grounds of diminished responsibility. 1288 01:04:54,373 --> 01:04:55,653 on the grounds of diminished responsibility. 1289 01:04:55,693 --> 01:04:57,693 He was made the subject of a hospital order 1290 01:04:57,733 --> 01:04:58,613 He was made the subject of a hospital order 1291 01:04:58,653 --> 01:05:00,653 under the Mental Health Act and sent to Broadmoor Secure Hospital. 1292 01:05:00,693 --> 01:05:02,693 under the Mental Health Act and sent to Broadmoor Secure Hospital. 1293 01:05:02,733 --> 01:05:03,533 under the Mental Health Act and sent to Broadmoor Secure Hospital. 1294 01:05:06,493 --> 01:05:08,493 The jury returned the verdict, and it wasn't a great surprise, 1295 01:05:08,533 --> 01:05:08,933 The jury returned the verdict, and it wasn't a great surprise, 1296 01:05:08,973 --> 01:05:10,493 having listened to the arguments 1297 01:05:10,533 --> 01:05:12,533 that he suffered from this rare form of schizophrenia. 1298 01:05:12,573 --> 01:05:13,733 that he suffered from this rare form of schizophrenia. 1299 01:05:13,773 --> 01:05:15,773 I think it sticks with me just for the viciousness of the attack. 1300 01:05:15,813 --> 01:05:17,773 I think it sticks with me just for the viciousness of the attack. 1301 01:05:17,813 --> 01:05:19,813 Tom was an innocent man just going about his business, cycling home. 1302 01:05:19,853 --> 01:05:21,493 Tom was an innocent man just going about his business, cycling home. 1303 01:05:21,533 --> 01:05:23,533 He never hurt anybody. He had no enemies. 1304 01:05:23,573 --> 01:05:23,853 He never hurt anybody. He had no enemies. 1305 01:05:23,893 --> 01:05:25,573 And his life was taken cruelly from him 1306 01:05:25,613 --> 01:05:27,613 {\an8}from a guy that escalated from nothing to 100% 1307 01:05:27,653 --> 01:05:29,653 {\an8}from a guy that escalated from nothing to 100% 1308 01:05:29,693 --> 01:05:30,173 {\an8}from a guy that escalated from nothing to 100% 1309 01:05:30,213 --> 01:05:32,013 {\an8}in literally a matter of days. 1310 01:05:33,093 --> 01:05:35,013 Fortunately, Leanne survived. 1311 01:05:35,053 --> 01:05:37,053 But this could easily have been a double-murder investigation. 1312 01:05:37,093 --> 01:05:37,613 But this could easily have been a double-murder investigation. 1313 01:05:39,373 --> 01:05:41,373 Voong cannot be released 1314 01:05:41,413 --> 01:05:43,413 without the authority of the Secretary of State. 1315 01:05:43,453 --> 01:05:44,413 without the authority of the Secretary of State. 1316 01:05:46,493 --> 01:05:48,493 The judge assured us that if that day ever came, erm... 1317 01:05:48,533 --> 01:05:50,533 The judge assured us that if that day ever came, erm... 1318 01:05:50,573 --> 01:05:50,773 The judge assured us that if that day ever came, erm... 1319 01:05:52,053 --> 01:05:53,413 ..he would be a different person 1320 01:05:53,453 --> 01:05:55,453 because he would be medicated and double checked 1321 01:05:55,493 --> 01:05:57,493 because he would be medicated and double checked 1322 01:05:57,533 --> 01:05:59,533 that he really did stay medicated, you know. 1323 01:05:59,573 --> 01:06:00,333 that he really did stay medicated, you know. 1324 01:06:00,373 --> 01:06:01,773 I was satisfied. 1325 01:06:01,813 --> 01:06:03,813 I think everybody else was when we... 1326 01:06:03,853 --> 01:06:04,093 I think everybody else was when we... 1327 01:06:04,133 --> 01:06:05,413 by the time we left the room. 1328 01:06:08,253 --> 01:06:10,253 I'm glad that he is where he is. 1329 01:06:10,293 --> 01:06:11,053 I'm glad that he is where he is. 1330 01:06:11,093 --> 01:06:12,853 I don't know how long he's gonna be there for, 1331 01:06:12,893 --> 01:06:14,893 but, I mean, personally, I'd like to know if he was being released. 1332 01:06:14,933 --> 01:06:15,493 but, I mean, personally, I'd like to know if he was being released. 1333 01:06:16,973 --> 01:06:18,973 Even though I don't live in Swindon any more, 1334 01:06:19,013 --> 01:06:19,293 Even though I don't live in Swindon any more, 1335 01:06:19,333 --> 01:06:21,333 I'd like to know that he's out, you know? 1336 01:06:21,373 --> 01:06:22,373 I'd like to know that he's out, you know? 1337 01:06:24,293 --> 01:06:26,293 Voong has never given an account to us or to anybody else 1338 01:06:26,333 --> 01:06:27,613 Voong has never given an account to us or to anybody else 1339 01:06:27,653 --> 01:06:29,653 as to why he did it, what his motivation was, 1340 01:06:29,693 --> 01:06:30,493 as to why he did it, what his motivation was, 1341 01:06:30,533 --> 01:06:32,533 why he chose the people he did. 1342 01:06:32,573 --> 01:06:33,213 why he chose the people he did. 1343 01:06:33,253 --> 01:06:35,253 So the victims will never know how they happened to be chosen, 1344 01:06:35,293 --> 01:06:36,293 So the victims will never know how they happened to be chosen, 1345 01:06:36,333 --> 01:06:37,613 if that was the case at all, 1346 01:06:37,653 --> 01:06:39,653 or were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time? 1347 01:06:39,693 --> 01:06:40,253 or were they just in the wrong place at the wrong time? 1348 01:06:40,293 --> 01:06:42,293 That's what I think happened. They were very, very unlucky. 1349 01:06:42,333 --> 01:06:43,453 That's what I think happened. They were very, very unlucky. 1350 01:06:43,493 --> 01:06:45,493 But if it wasn't them, it would have been somebody else. 1351 01:06:45,533 --> 01:06:45,853 But if it wasn't them, it would have been somebody else. 1352 01:06:45,893 --> 01:06:47,893 So, to this day, we will never know what it was 1353 01:06:47,933 --> 01:06:49,373 So, to this day, we will never know what it was 1354 01:06:49,413 --> 01:06:51,413 that made him decide he wanted to kill somebody. 1355 01:06:51,453 --> 01:06:51,813 that made him decide he wanted to kill somebody. 1356 01:06:54,093 --> 01:06:56,093 We deal with a vast number of cases, 1357 01:06:56,133 --> 01:06:56,933 We deal with a vast number of cases, 1358 01:06:56,973 --> 01:06:58,973 and almost as soon as you're finished doing one, 1359 01:06:59,013 --> 01:06:59,253 and almost as soon as you're finished doing one, 1360 01:06:59,293 --> 01:07:01,133 you move on to the next one. 1361 01:07:01,173 --> 01:07:03,173 The impact for the families of those victims 1362 01:07:03,213 --> 01:07:03,533 The impact for the families of those victims 1363 01:07:03,573 --> 01:07:05,573 and for the victims themselves is life-long. 1364 01:07:05,613 --> 01:07:06,453 and for the victims themselves is life-long. 1365 01:07:06,493 --> 01:07:08,453 And you often hear the terminology, 1366 01:07:08,493 --> 01:07:10,493 "Oh, well, that's good that you've caught somebody. 1367 01:07:10,533 --> 01:07:10,773 "Oh, well, that's good that you've caught somebody. 1368 01:07:10,813 --> 01:07:12,413 "They can have some closure." 1369 01:07:12,453 --> 01:07:14,453 I know that they never have closure, those families. 1370 01:07:14,493 --> 01:07:14,973 I know that they never have closure, those families. 1371 01:07:15,013 --> 01:07:17,013 They always have it living with them, 1372 01:07:17,053 --> 01:07:17,293 They always have it living with them, 1373 01:07:17,333 --> 01:07:18,773 and they'll never move on. 1374 01:07:18,813 --> 01:07:20,813 They just live their lives slightly differently. 1375 01:07:20,853 --> 01:07:21,093 They just live their lives slightly differently. 1376 01:07:28,293 --> 01:07:30,293 I sort of do miss my father quite a lot, to be honest, erm... 1377 01:07:30,333 --> 01:07:32,333 I sort of do miss my father quite a lot, to be honest, erm... 1378 01:07:32,373 --> 01:07:32,613 I sort of do miss my father quite a lot, to be honest, erm... 1379 01:07:32,653 --> 01:07:33,613 TEARFULLY:Erm... 1380 01:07:34,933 --> 01:07:36,933 It's just a lot of emptiness. 1381 01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:37,133 It's just a lot of emptiness. 1382 01:07:40,013 --> 01:07:42,013 Head's all over the place, and on medication 1383 01:07:42,053 --> 01:07:43,453 Head's all over the place, and on medication 1384 01:07:43,493 --> 01:07:45,493 to try and deal with life, to try and continue, and... 1385 01:07:45,533 --> 01:07:47,533 to try and deal with life, to try and continue, and... 1386 01:07:47,573 --> 01:07:48,573 to try and deal with life, to try and continue, and... 1387 01:07:48,613 --> 01:07:50,613 And it's sort of inside you, still screaming. 1388 01:07:50,653 --> 01:07:52,493 And it's sort of inside you, still screaming. 1389 01:07:52,533 --> 01:07:54,533 SNIFFLES, EXHALES 1390 01:07:54,573 --> 01:07:55,613 SNIFFLES, EXHALES 1391 01:07:58,973 --> 01:08:00,973 While David tries to rebuild his life in Swindon, 1392 01:08:01,013 --> 01:08:02,533 While David tries to rebuild his life in Swindon, 1393 01:08:02,573 --> 01:08:04,573 Dawn seeks comfort in her faith. 1394 01:08:04,613 --> 01:08:05,293 Dawn seeks comfort in her faith. 1395 01:08:05,333 --> 01:08:07,333 BELL RINGS 1396 01:08:07,373 --> 01:08:07,613 BELL RINGS 1397 01:08:09,413 --> 01:08:11,413 Well, we used to come here as children every week. 1398 01:08:11,453 --> 01:08:12,613 Well, we used to come here as children every week. 1399 01:08:12,653 --> 01:08:14,653 When you look back, it really was significant, 1400 01:08:14,693 --> 01:08:15,573 When you look back, it really was significant, 1401 01:08:15,613 --> 01:08:17,613 and it builds something quite special. 1402 01:08:17,653 --> 01:08:18,253 and it builds something quite special. 1403 01:08:20,333 --> 01:08:22,013 It keeps you honest, and it keeps you good, 1404 01:08:22,053 --> 01:08:24,053 and it keeps you true, you know? And that's how my brother was. 1405 01:08:24,093 --> 01:08:24,893 and it keeps you true, you know? And that's how my brother was. 1406 01:08:26,933 --> 01:08:28,933 And I believe that if he was given a choice, 1407 01:08:28,973 --> 01:08:30,973 And I believe that if he was given a choice, 1408 01:08:31,013 --> 01:08:31,573 And I believe that if he was given a choice, 1409 01:08:31,613 --> 01:08:33,613 "It's gonna be you or it's gonna be a young lady 1410 01:08:33,653 --> 01:08:35,333 "It's gonna be you or it's gonna be a young lady 1411 01:08:35,373 --> 01:08:37,373 "a month before you," he would have speared Leanne. 1412 01:08:37,413 --> 01:08:39,413 "a month before you," he would have speared Leanne. 1413 01:08:39,453 --> 01:08:39,653 "a month before you," he would have speared Leanne. 1414 01:08:44,013 --> 01:08:46,013 I truly believe that because that's the kind of fella Tom was. 1415 01:08:46,053 --> 01:08:48,053 I truly believe that because that's the kind of fella Tom was. 1416 01:08:48,093 --> 01:08:48,613 I truly believe that because that's the kind of fella Tom was.