>> START THE CLOCK.
>> Bill: HEY, THANK YOU!
IT SO GREAT TO BE BACK, I'VE
MISSED OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE.
WE'VE BEEN OFF FOR A MONTH, I
WAS HOPING WHEN I GOT BACK I
WOULD BE ABLE TO REPORT BETTER
NEWS, BUT NO, ACTUALLY,
CALIFORNIA IS PRETTY MUCH SHUT
DOWN AGAIN.
THE ONLY THING OPEN HERE NOW ARE
BEACHES, GROCERY STORES, AND
WILL SMITH'S MARRIAGE.
A LOT HAS HAPPENED THE LAST
MONTH SINCE WE'VE BEEN OFF, THE
RUSSIANS PUT BOUNTIES ON THE
HEADS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS IN
AFGHANISTAN, TRUMP DIDN'T SAY
ANYTHING.
AND TRUMP ACED HIS DEMENTIA
TEST.
AND WE ARE AT WAR WITH PORTLAND.
NO BIGGIE NOW, BUT IF YOU
PROTEST AGAINST THE AMERICAN
GOVERNMENT, MASKED GUYS THROW
YOU IN A VAN.
IT'S ALL EXPLAINED IN TRUMP'S
NEW HAT "MAKE SOUTH AMERICA
GREAT AGAIN."
WHO'S DOING THIS?
FEDERAL TROOPS, THIS MYSTERY
POLICE, TRUMP LIKES CREATING
THESE ARMIES.
REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO,
SPACE FORCE?
NOW HE'S GOT RACE FORCE.
I THOUGHT THIS WAS AN INCREDIBLE
PART OF THE STORY, IT GOT SO
UGLY OUT THERE, THE PROTESTERS
MOMS AT ONE POINT FORMED A HUMAN
SHIELD, THEY CALLED IT THE WALL
OF MOMS.
AND WE ARE DOING A SIMILAR THING
IN L.A., CALLED THE WALL OF
MILFS.
BECAUSE IT'S L.A.
THE HEAD OF THE PORTLAND NAACP,
GET THIS, HE SAID WHITE PEOPLE
ARE CO-OPTING THE WHOLE
MOVEMENT.
HE SAID IT'S BEEN CO-OPTED BY
PRIVILEGED WHITE PEOPLE AND I
THINK THAT'S TRUE.
IVANKA TRUMP TODAY THREW AWAY
HER JAR OF CAVIAR AND TOOK A
SELFIE WITH A BRICK.
I TELL YOU, THE LEFT, YOU
MOTHERFUCKERS BETTER START
UNITING BECAUSE IT'S 100 DAYS
UNTIL THE ELECTION BECAUSE
BERNIE SANDERS, COCHAIR OF HIS
CAMPAIGN SAID THE OTHER DAY
"VOTING FOR BIDEN IS LIKE EATING
HALF A BOWL OF SHIT."
WHAT CHIPOTLE CALLS THE KIDS
MENU.
THAT'S SO NOT FAIR TO CHIPOTLE.
CHIPOTLE IS HEALTHIER THAN
FAST FOOD EVEN THOUGH I SAID YOU
JUST EAT BOWLS OF SHIT -- WE ARE
MEAN TO CHIPOTLE.
THINGS WERE GOING GREAT IN
AMERICA AS WE KNOW AND THEN THIS
WEEK, TRUMP HAD TO FIND A NEW
FAVORITE DOCTOR, DR. STELLA
EMMANUELLE.
HE SAW HER ON YOUTUBE.
SHE WAS SAYING MEDICINES CONTAIN
ALIEN DNA AND DISEASE IS CAUSED
BY HAVING SEX WITH A DEMON WHILE
YOU'RE ASLEEP.
I'LL GIVE YOU A MINUTE TO ABSORB
THAT ONE.
BUT SHE LIKES
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE.
SO TRUMP SAID "I THOUGHT HER
VOICE WAS UNIMPORTANT VOICE BUT
I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HER."
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING SHE
OWNS A LAB COAT!
JUST REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU HEAR
ABOUT SOMEBODY THAT HE'S A
DOCTOR, A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN BE A
DOCTOR!
SHE'S A LICENSED PEDIATRICIAN, A
REAL DOCTOR, IN FACT SHE'S IN MY
NETWORK, KANYE PERMANENTE.
IN THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE
ACCEPTING NEW PATIENTS.
THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN AMERICA,
THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES ENDORSES THIS
CRANK DOCTOR WHO SAYS THE DEVIL
FUCKS OF PEOPLE IN THEIR SLEEP
AND MY FIRST THOUGHT IS IT
SOUNDS BETTER THAN REHEATING
THAT MEAT LOAF.
I TELL YOU, DR. WHATEVER HER
NAME -- CRAZY PERSON, SHE'S NOT
BACKING DOWN.
TODAY SHE TWEETED "YES, AMERICA,
SOME NEED DELIVERANCE FROM DEMON
SPERM."
THAT'S WHEN ALEX JONES WENT
"I'LL HAVE WHAT SHE'S HAVING."
THE BIG POLITICAL ISSUE THESE
DAYS IS THAT THE TWO PARTIES ARE
TRYING TO HAMMER OUT ANOTHER
BILL FOR COVID RELIEF AND TRUMP
INSISTS THAT IT INCLUDED, THIS
IS COVID RELIEF -- HE INSISTS IT
INCLUDED MONEY FOR A NEW FBI
HEADQUARTERS.
WHICH, HE DOES HAVE A POINT, WE
DO NEED THAT.
ALL OF THE AGENTS AT THE
J. EDGAR HOOVER BUILDING SAY
IT'S A REAL DRAG.
AND THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OR
AT LEAST IT SHOULD BE THAT TRUMP
TWEETED TODAY, OR I GUESS IT WAS
YESTERDAY, HE TWEETED THAT
"20/20 WILL BE THE MOST
INACCURATE AND A FRAUDULENT
ELECTION."
AND THEN HE POSED A QUESTION
"DELAY THE ELECTION UNTIL PEOPLE
CAN SAFELY VOTE?"
FOR EVERYONE WHO WAS CALLED ME
CRAZY THE LAST THREE YEARS
BECAUSE I WAS ASKING THIS
QUESTION AND SAYING HE WOULD DO
EXACTLY THAT, I WILL ACCEPT YOUR
APOLOGY IN WEED.
OKAY, WE'VE GOT A GREAT SHOW,
TONIGHT WE HAVE JIM CARREY,
KERRY WASHINGTON, THOMAS
CHATTERTON WILLIAMS AND BARI
WEISS - I SPOKE TO THEM ALL
YESTERDAY.
TODAY, THAT WAS YESTERDAY.
LET'S GET TO IT.
SHE'S THE EMMY NOMINATED ACTOR
WHO PRODUCED THE ACLU
DOCUMENTARY "THE FIGHT" WHICH
YOU CAN SEE IN SELECT CINEMAS,
ON VIDEO AND ON-DEMAND STARTING
FRIDAY, JULY 31ST.
THAT'S TONIGHT.
KERRY WASHINGTON!
THANKS SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS,
DID YOU FEEL THE EARTHQUAKE
TODAY?
I DON'T MEAN THE THING THAT GOT
ME OUT OF BED, TRUMP TWEETED
THAT HE WANTS TO DELAY THE
ELECTION.
YOU'RE A THOUGHT LEADER IN THIS
COUNTRY, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION
TO THAT?
>> NOT TO JUMP RIGHT INTO THE
FILM BUT I DO HAVE TO JUMP RIGHT
INTO THE FILM BECAUSE ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT HAPPENED FOR ME --
I'VE ALWAYS HAD SUCH A GREAT
DEAL OF RESPECT FOR THE ACLU AND
ALWAYS HAD A REALLY GOOD WORKING
RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, BUT WHAT
I CAME TO REALIZE IS EVERY
SINGLE THING THAT WE ARE WORRIED
ABOUT RIGHT NOW, LGBTQ RIGHTS,
WOMEN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, POLICE
BRUTALITY ON BLACK BODIES,
IMMIGRANTS RIGHTS, VOTING RIGHTS
RIGHTS, WHEN YOU READ SOMETHING
HORRIBLE HAPPENING IN THE PAPER,
YOU CAN BE GUARANTEED THAT THE
ACLU IS ON IT.
THEY ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF
THIS FIGHT OF BATTLING THE
ATTACK ON CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL
LIBERTIES.
MY FIRST RESPONSE WHEN I READ IT
WAS I BET THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
DROP OUT OF SOME OF OUR
INTERVIEWS FOR TODAY BECAUSE HE
HAS WORKED TODAY.
AND I'M GRATEFUL HE'S ON THE
GROUND DOING THAT WORK.
>> Bill: THEY SURE NEED
DEFENDING, THE ACLU.
BECAUSE THEY ALSO DEFEND PEOPLE
WHO ARE ABHORRENT.
AND I THINK A LOT OF TIMES ON
THE LEFT, WE FORGET ABOUT FREE
SPEECH AND THE INTEREST OF NOT
BEING OFFENDED AND I THINK IT'S
GREAT THAT SOMEONE LIKE YOU GETS
OUT THERE AND SAYS YES, THE ACLU
IS OUR FRIEND EVEN THOUGH THEY
DEFENDED THE NAZIS, THEY
DEFENDED THE PEOPLE AT
CHARLOTTESVILLE, THEY DEFENDED
THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH,
THEY WALK THE WALK.
>> I TRY TO REMIND PEOPLE OF
THEIR HASN'T EVER BEEN A
PRESIDENT SINCE THE INCEPTION OF
THE ACLU 100 YEARS AGO, THERE'S
NEVER BEEN A PRESIDENT WHO
HASN'T BEEN SUED, THEY'VE SUED
EVERY PRESIDENT, REPUBLICAN OR
DEMOCRAT BECAUSE THEY REALLY ARE
INVESTED IN THE RIGHTS OF ALL
PEOPLE.
I'M VERY PROUD OF HOW WE DEAL
WITH THE WHOLE CHARLOTTESVILLE
SITUATION IN THE FILM.
WE ASKED THEM ABOUT IT, WE ARE
INVITED INTO THEIR INTROSPECTION
AND THEY ARE DOING A LOT OF
CONVERSATIONS WITHIN THE
ORGANIZATION NOW AROUND WHERE
THEY STAND AND MAKING SURE THAT
THEY ARE ALSO FACTORING IN
ACCESS TO POWER WHEN THEY CHOOSE
THEIR CLIENTS.
THEY BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH BUT
WHEN THEY DECIDE WHICH CLIENTS
THEY WILL WORK WITH, THEY ARE
HAVING COMPLICATED, NUANCED
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT WHICH
I'M REALLY PROUD OF.
>> Bill: IT'S A GREAT FILM AND
I HOPE EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE
TO SEE IT IN SOME PLATFORM.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, I KNOW
EVERYBODY IS WATCHING BLACK IS
KING THIS WEEKEND BUT WHEN
YOU'RE DONE WITH BLACK IS KING,
THEN YOU CAN WATCH THE FIGHT.
>> Bill: IT WAS JOHN LEWIS'
FUNERAL TODAY, THIS SHOW AIRS
TOMORROW BUT IT WAS TODAY, I
KNOW YOU KNEW HIM, YOU MUST'VE
HAD A LOT OF THOUGHTS AND
EMOTIONS AND PRESIDENT OBAMA
SPOKE TO NO ONE'S SURPRISE, HE
WAS GREAT.
BILL CLINTON SPOKE, GEORGE BUSH
SPOKE -- NOT SOMEONE YOU WOULD
EXPECT BUT TO ME I THOUGHT THAT
WAS A GOOD SIGN IN AMERICA.
>> I DID TOO.
I REALLY DID, I FELT LIKE THIS
IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO HAVE
CONVERSATIONS ACROSS THE AISLE,
THE IDEA OF RESPECT AND CIVILITY
CIVILITY.
WE ARE TALKING AT EACH OTHER AND
NOT WITH AND TO EACH OTHER.
THAT IS NOT HOW WE'RE GOING TO
GET TO REAL CHANGE OF THIS
COUNTRY.
>> Bill: YOU KNOW THERE ARE
PEOPLE WHO WILL SAY IT'S NOT
RIGHT BECAUSE GEORGE BUSH'S
FATHER TO THE WILLIE HORTON AD
AND GEORGE BUSH WAS NOT A GREAT
FRIEND OF THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN,
WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT?
>> I GET IT, I GET IT.
I THINK IT'S FUNNY, THINGS CAN
SEEM ROSY WHEN YOU'RE FACED WITH
NEW CIRCUMSTANCES WHEN IT COMES
TO PRESIDENTS.
I MARCHED, I PROTESTED BUSH'S
PRESIDENCY, I PROTESTED THE CUTS
OF FEDERAL FUNDING TO THE ARTS,
I STILL THINK WHEN A GREAT CIVIL
RIGHTS LEADER PASSES AND
SOMEBODY FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF
THE AISLE SAYS I WANT TO COME
AND SHOW RESPECT, THAT IS
SOMETHING I WELCOME.
I WELCOME IT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO
RESTORE THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT.
AND I WANT TO BE IN CONVERSATION
WITH LEGI LEGISLATIVE OFFICIALSO
ARE WILLING TO STEP OUTSIDE
THEIR COMFORT ZONE TO DO WHAT IS
RIGHT FOR ALL PEOPLE.
JUST STAYING AWAY AND KEEPING
THIS HUGE DIVIDE IS NOT HOW YOU
GUARANTEE RIGHTS FOR ALL
AMERICANS.
>> Bill: IT'S A GREAT POINT.
WITH TRUMP, WE HAVE PERSPECTIVE
NOW ABOUT PEOPLE WE DON'T AGREE
WITH FULLY.
IT DOESN'T REALLY HELP ANYTHING
TO POINT FINGERS AND SAY YOU'RE
NOT NEARLY AS GOOD AS ME, SO YOU
JUST HAVE TO BE BANISHED.
SO JOE BIDEN, HE ANNOUNCED TO
THE OTHER DAY HE IS GOING TO
CHOOSE HIS VICE PRESIDENT IN THE
COMING WEEK AND WE MAY FIND OUT
WHO THAT IS VERY SOON AFTER.
ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, WHO WAS
YOUR DRUTHERS CHOICE?
WHO DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO O
THE?
>> AND I WOULD BET IT'S KAMALA
HARRIS, I WOULD BET ANY MONEY
AFTER THEY TOOK AWAY HALF OF MY
WAY TO MAKE A LIVING, I THINK
IT'S GOING TO BE KAMALA HARRIS.
SHE'S A "LAW & ORDER"
PROSECUTOR, THAT ANSWERS A LOT
OF WHAT TRUMP IS TRYING TO SELL
ON HIS SIDE ABOUT UNREST IN THE
STREETS.
SHE'S A BLACK WOMAN AND I LIKE
HER.
SHE MADE SOME MISTAKES IN THE
CAMPAIGN BUT I THINK SHE'S GOOD.
>> I AGREE, I THINK IT WOULD BE
AN EXCELLENT CHOICE.
I THINK KAMALA HARRIS WOULD BE A
GOOD CHOICE, SEES TO STACEY
ABRAMS --
>> Bill: SUSAN RICE, SHE WAS
ON OUR SHOW.
>> I LOVE HER, THESE ARE
POWERFUL, STRONG WOMEN.
>> Bill: WE LOVE YOU, YOU KEEP
GETTING TO BE A BIGGER STAR BUT
YOU KEEP DOING OUR SHOW WHICH I
CAN'T SAY FOR ALL OF THE BIG
STARS OUT THERE, JOE BIDEN USED
TO DO OUR SHOW AND THEN HE
BECAME VICE PRESIDENT AND HE
FORGOT ALL ABOUT US.
CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR TEN EMMY
NOMINATIONS YESTERDAY AND GOOD
LUCK WITH THE FILM.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> Bill: OKAY, HERE IS OUR
PANEL.
HE'S A COLUMNIST AT HARPER'S
MAGAZINE AND AUTHOR OF
"SELF-PORTRAIT IN BLACK AND
WHITE: UNLEARNING RACE" WHICH
WILL BE AVAILABLE IN PAPERBACK
ON SEPTEMBER 15TH: THOMAS
CHATTERTON WILLIAMS.
WHO I CALL SIR THOMAS CHATTERTON
WILLIAMS, BECAUSE IT JUST FITS.
SHE'S A JOURNALIST AND THE
AUTHOR OF "HOW TO FIGHT
ANTI-SEMITISM": OUR FRIEND VERY
WEISS.
YOU TWO ARE TROUBLEMAKERS, THIS
IS A TALE OF TWO LETTERS, WE
WILL START CHRONOLOGICAL IN THE
FIRST ONE CAME OUT IN HARPERS,
CAUSED A BIG STIR, YOU SIGNED IT
AND HELPED SHAPE IT, THOMAS, YOU
WERE THE RINGLEADER AND IT WAS
DESIGNED BY A WHO'S WHO OF
INTELLECTUALS AROUND THE WORLD.
AND IT'S A PUSHBACK ON COUNCIL
CULTURE AND AS A GUY WHO DID A
SHOW CALLED POLITICALLY
INCORRECT AND ANOTHER ONE CALLD
REAL TIME, THANK YOU BECAUSE WE
NEED A PUSHBACK ON CANCEL
CULTURE.
TO PEOPLE COMING INTO THIS FOR
THE FIRST TIME, TELL THEM
BRIEFLY WHAT IS YOUR GRIPE?
ISN'T THIS JUST A BUNCH OF
ELITES WHINING?
>> I DON'T THINK IT IS.
BASICALLY, I WAS HAVING A
CONVERSATION WITH A COUPLE OF
OTHER WRITERS WHO ALONG WITH ME
ORGANIZED THIS LETTER, GEORGE
PACKER, ROBERT WORTH, DAVID
GREENBERG AND FOR A COUPLE OF
YEARS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A
CLIMATE OF A LIBERALISM THAT HAS
BEEN SETTING IN AND OUR NATION'S
CULTURAL AND INSTITUTIONS AND IN
THE THE PAST FEW MONTHS, IT
SEEMED TO BE SOMETHING WE
COULDN'T IGNORE AND SO WE
STARTED TALKING ABOUT PUTTING
TOGETHER A LETTER AND SEEING IF
ANYONE WOULD SIGN IT.
IT'S KIND OF CATCH AS CATCH CAN
AND WE STARTED GETTING MORE AND
MORE NAMES AND WE WOULD GET SOME
ATTENTION BUT NONE OF US
EXPECTED IT WOULD BE TALKED
ABOUT FOR MOST OF THE MONTH
OF JULY THE WAY IT HAS BEEN.
INTERNATIONALLY, I'VE BEEN
TAKING INTERVIEWS FROM CHILE TO
SPAIN TO CANADA, U.K., YOU NAME
IT.
>> Bill: THERE'S VERY LITTLE
ELSE GOING ON, THAT'S WHY IT GOT
ALL THE ATTENTION.
I WANT TO READ SOME OF THE OTHER
NAMES IN THE LIST BECAUSE WHAT
STRIKES ME ABOUT IT IS OF COURSE
THE PUSHBACK IS COMING FROM
LIBERALS AND ALMOST EVERYONE WHO
SIGNS THIS LETTER IS A LIBERAL.
MARGARET ATWOOD, MARTIN AMOS,
WYNTON MARSALIS, STEVEN PINKER,
NOAM CHOMSKY, J.K. ROWLING,
MALCOLM GLADWELL, BILL JONES,
SALMAN RUSHDIE, GLORIA STEINEM,
THIS IS WHAT AMAZES ME ABOUT
THIS.
THEY CALL YOU A CENTRIST OR A
RIGHT WINGER, IF A HIP
MILLENNIAL JEWISH BISEXUAL GIRL
WHO WAS LIVING IN SAN FRANCISCO
IS NOT A LIBERAL AND YOU, SIR
THOMAS, WHO IS THESE DAYS?
>> I LOVE THAT I GET TO BE HIP,
ONLY ON THE SHOW AND MY HIP.
I THINK WHAT'S CRITICAL ABOUT
THE LETTER IS THE LETTER IS A
WARNING CRY FROM INSIDE THE
INSTITUTIONS, MEANING WHAT WE
ARE TRYING TO SAY WITH THE
LETTER AND WHAT THOMAS DID IN
FORMING IT WAS SAYING WHAT'S
HAPPENING NOW WITH THIS GROWING
CULTURE OF A LIBERALISM IS
DIFFERENT FROM CRITICISM.
THOMAS AND I AND YOU, WE ARE
USED TO CRITICISM, CRITICISM IS
KOSHER IN THE WORK THAT WE DO,
CRITICISM IS GREAT, BUT CANCEL
CULTURE ISN'T CRITICISM, IT'S
ABOUT PUNISHMENT.
IT'S ABOUT MAKING A PERSON
RADIOACTIVE, IT'S ABOUT TAKING
AWAY THEIR JOB.
THE WRITER JONATHAN RAUCH HAS
CALLED IT SOMETHING LIKE SOCIAL
MURDER AND I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
I THINK A CRITICAL PART OF IT IF
YOU LOOK AT A BUNCH OF INSTANCES
THAT I HOPE WILL NOT GET INTO,
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT PUNISHING
THE SINNER, IT'S NOT ABOUT
PUNISHING THE PERSON FOR BEING
INSUFFICIENTLY PURE, IT'S ABOUT
A SECONDARY BOYCOTT OF PEOPLE
WHO WOULD DEIGN TO SPEAK TO THAT
PERSON OR APPEAR ON A PLATFORM
WITH THAT PERSON AND WE SEE VERY
OBVIOUSLY WHERE THAT KIND OF
POLITICS GETS US.
IF CONVERSATIONS WITH PEOPLE WE
DISAGREE WITH BECOMES
IMPOSSIBLE, WHAT IS THE WAY WE
SOLVE CONFLICT?
>> Bill: AND NOT DISAGREE WITH
THAT MUCH.
>> THIS IS THE CRITICAL THING.
AS POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY HAS
COME TO SUPPLANT RELIGION AND I
BELIEVE IT HAS FOR MANY PEOPLE,
POLITICS HAS COME TO BE PEOPLE'S
ALMOST RELIGIOUS IDENTITY AND
YOU SEE IT ON THE RIGHT WITH THE
WORSHIP OF TRUMP AS A DEITY WHO
CAN DO NOTHING WRONG.
YOU SEE IT ON THE LEFT, WHERE TO
DO ANYTHING LESS THAN DEFUNDING
THE POLICE, TO ABOLISH THE
POLICE MAKES YOU SOMETHING LIKE
A HERETIC.
THAT'S AN ENORMOUS PROBLEM
BECAUSE WHAT IT HAS MEANT IS A
COLLAPSE OF THE CENTER AND THE
RETRY BELAY STATION OF THIS
COUNTRY AND THE WHOLE DEAL WITH
THIS COUNTRY, THE REASON THAT TL
WITH ALL OF ITS FLAWS, WE DEPARE
CAN
OVERCOME THAT.
THERE'S SOMETHING BIGGER THAN
LINEAGE OR KING OR THE POLITICAL
TRIBE THAT YOU BELONG TO.
I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN A
VERY SCARY MOMENT IS A KIND OF
RETURN TO THE MEAN OF HISTORY.
I THINK IT'S UP TO US TO DEFEND
THE IDEAS THAT HAVE MADE THIS
COUNTRY UNIQUE AND A DEPARTURE
FROM HISTORY.
>> Bill: IT MAKES PEOPLE
INAUTHENTIC.
FOR THOSE WHO THINK THAT THIS IS
JUST CELEBRITIES WHINING OR
ELITES OR SOMETHING, THERE WAS A
SURVEY AND A 62% OF PEOPLE,
PEOPLE, REGULAR PEOPLE WHO SAY
THEY ARE AFRAID TO SHARE WHAT
THEY TRULY BELIEVE.
I USED TO CALL THEM AVATARS --
THERE'S YOUR REAL SELF WHO TALKS
AROUND THE KITCHEN OR IN A BAR
WITH VERY CLOSE FRIENDS WITH
YOUR TRUST, AND THEN THERE'S
THIS PUBLIC PERSON WHICH IS EVEN
IF YOU HAVE 100 FOLLOWERS ON
TWITTER OR WHATEVER AT THE
OFFICE, SOMETIMES EVEN AT --
THEY MIGHT TATTLE ON YOU AT WORK
IF YOU SAY A BAD JOKE OR
SOMETHING.
PEOPLE DON'T LIKE WALKING AROUND
ON EGGSHELLS.
I WANT TO PUT SOME MEAT ON THIS,
PART OF THIS IS EXACTLY FROM
YOUR LETTER.
"EDITORS ARE FIRED FOR RUNNING
CONTROVERSIAL PIECES,
JOURNALISTS ARE BARRED FOR
WRITING CERTAIN TOPICS,
PROFESSORS ARE INVESTIGATED FOR
QUOTING WORKS OF LITERATURE IN
CLASS, A RESEARCHER IS FIRED FOR
CIRCULATING A PEER-REVIEWED
STUDY."
WHEN THE SCIENCE HAS TO COME
SECOND TO THE POLITICAL
CORRECTNESS, WE ARE IN TROUBLE,
AND MY RIGHT?
THIS IS MORE ABOUT JUST THE
ELITES.
>> ABSOLUTELY, THE CATO
INSTITUTE STUDY THAT YOU CITE
STATES ALSO THAT MODERATES,
LIBERALS, AND CONSERVATIVES ARE
ALL AFRAID TO SAY WHAT THEY
THINK.
THE ONLY GROUP THAT SAYS THEY
DON'T FEEL THIS FEAR IS STAUNCH
PROGRESSIVES.
THAT'S MOST OF THE COUNTRY, 62%
IS IDEOLOGICALLY DIVERSE
ASSORTMENT OF PEOPLE.
THE REASON WHY THIS CRITIQUE
THAT THIS LETTER WAS IN DEFENSE
OF ELITES WHO DON'T LIKE TAKING
CRITICISM ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THE
REASON WHY THAT DOESN'T RING
TRUE IS BECAUSE OF SO MANY
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN EMAILING ALL OF
US TO LET US KNOW THEY ARE
EDITORIAL ASSISTANTS, ASSOCIATE
PROFESSORS, PEOPLE IN LAW FIRMS
THAT DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE
SAYING WHAT THEY ACTUALLY THINK.
IT'S ACTUALLY AN ACT OF
GENEROSITY WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE
LIKE MALCOLM GLADWELL OR SOMEONE
LIKE J.K. ROWLING SENT A LETTER
LIKE THIS AND MAKE IT SO THESE
PEOPLE FEEL LESS ALONE AND LET
THEM KNOW THAT THERE IS SOME
SUPPORT FOR THE VIEWS THAT THEY
HAVE.
CANCELLATION IS NOT ABOUT
BRINGING DOWN ELITES BACK TO
EARTH, IT ONLY TAKES A FEW CASES
TO HAVE AN ENORMOUS ONLOOKER
EFFECT THAT HAS A CHILLING AND
STIFLING AND NARROWING INFLUENCE
ON ALL OF OUR BEHAVIORS.
THE ONLOOKER EFFECT IS WHAT WE
ARE TAKING A STAND AGAINST.
>> Bill: LET'S GO TO BARI'S
LETTER, YOU RESIGNED FROM
"THE NEW YORK TIMES."
IT WAS RED IN CONGRESS TODAY,
PART OF IT, BECAUSE THE FOUR
HEADS OF THE BIG TECH COMPANIES
WHO ARE TESTIFYING BEFORE
CONGRESS AND THE GYM JORDAN WHO
I DON'T LIKE AT ALL, BUT THIS IS
THE THING -- YOU MAKE THIS A
CONSERVATIVE ISSUE IN ITS GOOD
FOR CONSERVATIVES, HE QUOTED
FROM YOUR LETTER "EVERYONE LIVES
IN FEAR OF THE DIGITAL
THUNDERDOME, ONLINE VENOM IS
EXCUSED AS LONG AS IT'S DIRECTED
AT THE PROPER TARGETS."
ZUCKERBERG AGREED, JEFF BEZOS
SAID THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS A
NUANCED DESTROYING MACHINE.
I AGREE, I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN
THAT WORLD.
BARI, YOU ALSO SAID TWITTER IS
NOT ON THE MASTHEAD OF
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" BUT TWITTER
HAS BECOME ITS ULTIMATE EDITOR,
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?
>> I'M GRATIFIED THAT THE HEADS
OF THOSE BIG TECH COMPANIES
AGREE WITH ME, BUT I THINK THEY
NEED TO LOOK INSIDE THEIR OWN
HOUSES.
THE FACT IS THAT THE REASON THAT
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" AND ALL OF
THESE OTHER NEWSPAPERS AROUND
THE WORLD HAVE BEEN DECIMATED IS
BECAUSE OF THE PRODUCTS THAT
THEY SIT ON TOP OF.
THE REASON THAT TWITTER IS THE
ASSIGNING EDITOR OF
"THE NEW YORK TIMES" IS BECAUSE
THE PRINTING PRESS ISN'T THE
PRINTING PRESS ANYMORE.
IT'S BECAUSE THE DASH THE
PRINTING PRESSES AND EACH ONE OF
OUR POCKETS.
THESE TECHNOLOGIES HAVE SEVERED
OUR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE
EDITORS IN THE NEWSPAPERS WE
USED TO RELY ON.
WHAT I MEANT IN THAT LETTER WHEN
I WROTE THAT TWITTER IS THE
ASSIGNING EDITOR, WHAT I MEAN BY
THAT IS IN ORDER TO DO OUR JOB
WELL, WRITERS AND EDITORS NEED
TO HAVE A LEVEL OF BRAVERY AND
THICK SKIN AND FEARLESSNESS.
AND WHEN YOU ARE LIVING IN FEAR
OF AN ONLINE MOM, ALL IT TAKES
IS A DOZEN PEOPLE TO REPEAT A
LIE ABOUT YOU THAT YOU'RE
RACIST, YOUR TRANSFER OF IT,
YOU'RE A BIGOT FOR THAT LIGHT TO
BECOME TRUE AND THAT'S EXTREMELY
DANGEROUS.
THE THING THAT INSULATES IT IS
WHEN YOU HAVE LEADERS OF THE TOP
TO SAY "WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT
OUTSIDE VOICE, WE ARE GOING TO
STAND BY YOU AND THE TRUTH THAT
YOU ARE PURSUING THE MATTER
WHAT."
THE PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED AT THE
TIMES AND IT'S REFERENCED IN THE
LETTER, THE HARPER'S LETTER THAT
THOMAS HELPED SHAPE, IS THAT MY
BOSS GOT FIRED FOR RUNNING AN OP
ED BY A SITTING U.S. SENATOR.
YOU MIGHT SAY THAT TOM COTTON IS
DETESTABLE AND YOU DISAGREE WITH
HIM, BUT I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN
A WORLD WHERE THE VIEWS OF HALF
OF THE COUNTRY CAN'T BE HEARD IN
THE PAPER OF RECORD.
THAT'S WHERE I FEAR THAT WE ARE
HEADED.
>> Bill: RIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO
SUE BUT THAT'S PART OF WHAT WAS
TALKED ABOUT.
YOU SAID IT WAS AN UNLAWFUL
DISCRIMINATION AND A HOSTILE
WORKPLACE ENVIRONMENT.
LET ME ASK THIS ABOUT THE LINK
BETWEEN THIS ISSUE OF CANCELING
AND RACE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE
THAT IS THE ULTIMATE ISSUE WITH
THE CANCELLATION CULTURE.
IF YOU'RE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF
WHAT THAT IS NOW.
AND OF COURSE SIR THOMAS, THIS
IS ONE OF YOUR BIG THEMES AND
IT'S A THEME THAT GOES BACK TO
THE 19TH CENTURY IN AMERICAN
HISTORY: SHOULD WE INTEGRATE,
SHOOT OR BECOME A PEOPLE WHO
DON'T SEE RACE AT ALL, OR AS THE
CURRENT VOGUE SEEMS TO BE
GATHERING, SHOULD WE BE A PEOPLE
WHO SEE IT EVERYWHERE?
WHY DON'T YOU GIVE US YOUR MAJOR
THEME ON THAT.
>> SURE, ONE DEFINITION OF
INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING
OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND
EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.
WE HAVE A LONG AND TORTURED
HISTORY OF BELIEVING IN WHAT
BIOLOGICALLY IS NOT REAL, RACIAL
DIFFERENCES BETWEEN GROUPS OF
PEOPLE.
BY LEANING INTO THIS FICTION AND
REINVESTING IN THE RACIAL IDEA
AS A WAY OF MAKING A HEALTHIER
SOCIETY, THAT TEAMS TOTALLY
WRONGHEADED TO ME.
THE TWO VOICES THAT DOMINATE THE
CONVERSATION ON RACE RIGHT NOW
IN AMERICA ARE ROBIN D'ANGELO
AND EVA M ABRAM KENNEDY, BOTH OM
ARE UNCOMPROMISING IN THEIR
IDEAS OF RACIAL DIFFERENCE.
THEY BOTH INSISTED THAT
CATEGORIZATION IS THE ONLY THING
THAT'S REAL AND CANNOT BE
TRANSCENDED.
THAT MEANS WHITE INDIVIDUALS ARE
IRREDEEMABLY PART OF AN
OPPRESSIVE AND PRIVILEGED GROUP
AND BLACK INDIVIDUALS ARE
INESCAPABLY MEMBERS OF A GROUP
UPON WHOM WHITE PEOPLE ACT
EITHER FOR GOOD OR FOR ILL BUT
BLACKS ARE NOT AGENTS IN THIS
AND ASIANS AND SO MANY OTHER
PEOPLE WHO DON'T NEATLY SLOTTED
TO THIS RACIAL BINARY, WE DON'T
KNOW WHAT TO SAY ABOUT THEM.
FOR D'ANGELO, THERE'S A CIRCULAR
LOGIC THAT IS DEVASTATING.
IF YOU'RE WHITE, YOU'RE
INHERENTLY RACIST, EIGHT TO DENY
THAT THIS TO PROVE YOUR RACISM
AND TO ADMIT THAT JUST TO PROVE
YOUR RACISM.
FOR KENNEDY, EVERY SINGLE ASPECT
OF OUR LIVED IN REALITY, EVERY
IDEA, ACTION, POLICY IS EITHER
RACIST OR ANTIRACIST WITH NO
GRAY IN BETWEEN.
WHAT OTHER ASPECT OF OUR LIVED
AND SHARED REALITY IS SO NEATLY
BIFURCATED AND OVERSIMPLIFIED IS
THAT?
WE DON'T ACCEPT FOR GOOD REASON
THAT EVEN SEXUAL DIFFERENCE IS
SO EITHER OR BUT WE ARE
ACCEPTING NOW IN OUR
UNDERSTANDING OF RACE AND
RACISM.
>> IT'S AN UNBELIEVABLY
FLATTENING CATEGORY.
THE PERSON WHOSE GRANDPARENTS
CRAWLED OUT OF THE DEATH CAMPS
OF EUROPE, DO THEY HAVE THE SAME
LIVED EXPERIENCE AS A PERSON
WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME TO THIS
COUNTRY ON THE MAYFLOWER?
AS A NIGERIAN IMMIGRANTS TO
AMERICA, DIFFERENT FROM A
PERSON, THEIR LIVED EXPERIENCE,
THEN A PERSON WHOSE FATHER GREW
UP IN THE JIM CROW SOUTH?
THAT'S RIDICULOUS ON ITS FACE
EVEN IF THOSE PEOPLE HAVE THE
SAME AMOUNT OF MELANIN IN THEIR
SKIN.
>> Bill: RIGHT.
I FIND THAT EVERYONE IS ALWAYS
HAVING ON THE FAR LIBERAL LEFT A
CONTEST ABOUT WHO IS BETTER ON
THIS ISSUE.
SOMEBODY WAS SAYING TO ME THE
OTHER DAY ABOUT -- THERE'S NEVER
BEEN A BLACK WOMAN GOVERNOR.
AND I WAS LIKE YEAH, THAT'S BAD.
THAT'S TERRIBLE, WE SHOULD ELECT
ONE OR MORE.
AND THEN IT BECAME A CONTEST OF
WHO HATES THAT MORE?
WHO GETS MORE PEST OFF ABOUT
THAT?
AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S GOING TO
MOVE US FORWARD.
I FEEL LIKE THE VIEW OF OBAMA
AND MARTIN LUTHER KING IS BEING
LOST.
DO YOU FEEL WAY?
>> YES, WE ARE IN DANGER OF
REALLY REINVESTING IN THE IDEA
THAT RACE IS REAL AND IT CANNOT
BE ESCAPED, IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL
CATEGORY THAT DEFINES US, THAT
WHITE PEOPLE ARE ESSENTIALLY
DIFFERENT FROM BLACK PEOPLE.
WE ARE IN DANGER OF MAKING
PEOPLE LIVING TODAY, WE ARE
CREATING A WORLD WHERE EVERYBODY
ALIVE TODAY IS A REPRESENTATIVE
OF THE THOUGHTS, MISDEEDS, AND
CIRCUMSTANCES OF THEIR ANCESTORS
AND THAT'S NOT A WORLD THAT I
WANT TO CREATE.
>> I WANT TO CONNECT WHAT THOMAS
JUST SAID, THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE
ARE GUILTY BECAUSE OF THE SINS
OF THEIR ANCESTORS, THERE'S A
REALLY RELEVANT CASE THAT
CONNECTS TO CANCEL CULTURE WHICH
IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT
BEFORE.
THE LETTER WAS SIGNED BY
LUMINARIES BUT THERE ARE A LOT
OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY WHO
ARE FEELING THE STING AND THE
ADMIN'S A RATION OF CANCEL
CULTURE WHO AREN'T FAMOUS.
I SPOKE TO ONE OF THEM LAST
NIGHT, HE'S A PALESTINIAN
REFUGEE WHO BUILT AN
UNBELIEVABLY SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS
CALLED HOLY LAND IN MINNEAPOLIS.
HE HAS 200 EMPLOYEES, SOMEONE
DISCOVERED THE TWEETS OF HIS
DAUGHTER THAT SHE WROTE WHEN SHE
WAS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 14 AND
16 YEARS OLD.
IMMEDIATELY WHEN THOSE TWEETS
WERE DISCOVERED, THEY WERE
HORRIBLE TWEETS, RACIST,
ANTI-SEMITIC -- ALL OF HIS
ACCOUNTS WERE CANCELED FROM
PLACES LIKE COSTCO AND SAM'S,
THE LEASE OWNER OF HIS BAKERIES
KICKING HIM OUT OF THE BUILDING
AND HE'S SCARED HE'S GOING TO GO
BANKRUPT, HE FIRED HIS DAUGHTER,
HE APOLOGIZED, HE AGREED TO HAVE
ANTIRACISM TRAINING, NONE OF IT
WAS ENOUGH.
HE SAID TO ME I'VE LIVED THE
AMERICAN DREAM BUT IS THIS
AMERICA?
IS IT AMERICA TO HOLD A BUSINESS
OWNER LIABLE FOR THE SINS OF
THEIR CHILD WHEN THEY WERE A
TEENAGER?
THAT SEEMS DEEPLY UN-AMERICAN
FOR ME.
>> Bill: THAT'S AN EXTREME
EXAMPLE BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF
EXTREME EXAMPLES AND EXAMPLES
THAT AREN'T EXTREME, AND ALSO
MAKES ME WANT TO GO WHO ARE
THESE PERFECT PEOPLE OUT THERE
IN THE WORLD TODAY WHO HAVE
NEVER MADE ANY MISTAKE OF ANY
KIND?
DON'T THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO
COME BACK AND BITE THEM IN THE
ASS?
>> THERE'S AN ARGUMENT FOR SELF
INTEREST THAT SHOULD BE
PROMINENT IN THE DEBATE ABOUT
CANCELLATION, TO PARAPHRASE
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS -- WHEN YOU
VIOLATE SOMEONE'S FREE SPEECH OR
YOU PROPOSE TO VIOLATE THEIR
FREE SPEECH, YOU ARE IN EFFECT
MAKING A ROD FOR YOUR OWN BACK,
THE ROD OF YOUR LIBERALISM CAN
BE PICKED UP AND USED BY ANYONE
AND WE ALL SEEM TO THINK IT'S
JUST OUR SIDE THAT ALWAYS GETS
IT BUT OF COURSE THAT'S NOT TRUE
TRUE.
>> IT'S LIKE ROBESPIERRE
COULDN'T ESCAPE THE GUILLOTINE,
WE SHOULD LEARN A LESSON FOR
THAT.
CANCEL CULTURE CAN COME FOR ANY
OF US.
>> IN THIS WEEK WHEN WE THINK
ABOUT AN EXTRAORDINARY LIFE LIKE
JOHN LEWIS, I WANT TO MAKE THE
POINT THAT HIS WAS A VIEW, A
POINT OF VIEW THAT WAS DIVERGENT
FROM THE CONSENSUS AT THE TIME
HE WAS ALIVE.
THINGS LOOK SO CLEAR TO US NOW,
BUT BACK THEN AT THE TIME, HE
WAS DEFYING CONSENSUS.
MINORITIES AND THE POWERLESS AND
THE OPPRESSED DO THE BEST IN
SOCIETIES AND SPACES THAT ARE
MAXIMALLY OPEN AND MAXIMALLY
TOLERANT OF DIVERGENT AND EVEN
HERETICAL POINTS OF VIEW, WE
NEED TO HAVE ALL THE POINTS OF
VIEW THAT WE CAN HAVE BECAUSE WE
DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS
GOING TO SHAKE OUT TO BE 20, 50
YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
WE NEED TO CHALLENGE OUR
CONSENSUS VIEWS AND WHEN WE
THINK ABOUT JOHN LEWIS, WE
SHOULD THINK ABOUT -- THAT WAS A
GUY WHO SAW SOMETHING WRONG AND
HE STOOD AND SPOKE UP FOR IT AND
HE DIDN'T JUST ADHERE TO THE
PREVAILING CONSENSUS AT THE TIME
TIME.
>> I WAS GOING TO ADD THAT HE
DID IT AT UNBELIEVABLE PERSONAL
COST.
WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT THE
CULTURAL PROBLEMS WE FACE AND
BILL, YOU REFERENCED THIS
BEFORE -- PEOPLE HAVE AVATARS,
THEY HAVE A PUBLIC PERSONA AND
PRIVATE PERSONA AND TOO MANY
PEOPLE RIGHT NOW DO NOT WANT TO
SPEAK UP BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID
OF THE CONSEQUENCES AND THE
RAMIFICATIONS.
THE ONLY WAY TO STOP IS IF
PEOPLE START TO SPEAK UP.
>> Bill: THAT'S A GREAT
QUESTION.
IF MOST PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THIS,
AND THERE HAVE BEEN A NUMBER OF
SURVEYS ABOUT THIS, SOMETHING
LIKE 80% INCLUDING MOST
LIBERALS -- DO NOT LIKE THIS
ATMOSPHERE.
WHY DOES IT RETAIN THE POWER
THAT IT HAS?
WHO HAS THIS POWER AND HOW CAN
THEY EXERT IT SO FULLY?
IS IT JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE
TOO AFRAID WHEN SOMEONE STICKS A
MICROPHONE IN YOUR FACE?
I THINK THIS IS WHAT IT IS A LOT
AND THEY SAY "THIS PERSON SAID
THIS."
IF YOU REALLY THINK, A REAL
PERSON THINKS THAT WASN'T SO
BAD.
IT JUST IS MUCH SAFER TO GO YES,
WHAT A TERRIBLE THING THEY SAID,
NOW I'M ON THE SAFE SIDE OF THE
DEBATE AND THE TWITTER MOB
DOESN'T COME AFTER ME.
HOW DO YOU GET BACK UP A TWITTER
MOB?
HOW DO YOU TAKE DOWN THE MEAN
GIRLS?
>> DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST?
>> I THINK WE'RE IN UNCHARTED
TERRITORY, WE CAN'T HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT IS NEW
AND DIFFERENT AND WHY PEOPLE ARE
SO TIMID NOW WITHOUT TALKING
ABOUT TECHNOLOGY AND THE FACT
THAT PEOPLE AREN'T REALLY
ACCUSTOMED TO OR BUILT FOR,
OTHER THAN SOME CELEBRITIES,
AREN'T REALLY BUILT FOR 100, A
THOUSAND, A MILLION OR MORE
PEOPLE CRITICIZING YOU FOR
CALLING YOUR NAMES ARE COMING AT
YOUR JOB ALL AT ONCE.
WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG ENOUGH
QUANTITATIVE CHANGE, IT MAKES A
QUALITATIVE CHANGE.
WE ARE IN NEW TERRITORY, THE
ONLOOKER EFFECT CAN'T BE
OVERESTIMATED.
PEOPLE SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO
SOMEBODY LIKE JUSTINE SACCO,
SOMEBODY WHO CAN SURVIVE IT LIKE
KEVIN HART OR J.K. ROWLING, THEY
DON'T WANT TO COME ANYWHERE
CLOSE TO THAT AND THEY ALL KEEP
THEIR HEADS THAT MUCH LOWER AND
WE ADJUST OUR VIEWS TO NOT STICK
OUT AND NOT RUFFLE ANY FEATHERS.
THAT HAS A DEVASTATING EFFECT ON
THE FREE EXCHANGE OF IDEAS AND
IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T
TACKLED YET, WE ARE
PARTICIPATING IN A MASS
PSYCHOLOGICAL EXPERIMENT AND WE
DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE HEADED
WITH IT.
>> I THINK ONE VERY OBVIOUS WAY
THIS STOPS, IT'S ONE THING FOR
INDIVIDUALS TO STAND UP.
IT'S ANOTHER THING FOR COMPANIES
AND CORPORATIONS TO STAND UP.
TRADER JOE'S, I RECOMMEND
EVERYONE GOES AND FINDS IT, PUT
OUT AN AMAZING STATEMENT.
THEY WERE CRITICIZED BECAUSE
THEY HAD DIFFERENT ETHNIC NAMES
ON VARIOUS FOOD, IT'S KITSCHY
AND FUN.
TRADER JOSE.
AND THERE WERE CRITICIZED BY A
VERY STRONG ONLINE BOYCOTT THAT
SAID THIS IS RACISM AND THEY
SAID NO IT'S NOT, IT'S FUN, OUR
CUSTOMERS ENJOY IT, WE ENJOY IT,
SORRY, WE'RE NOT CHANGING IT.
THAT THING RIGHT NOW IS A
PROFILE IN COURAGE WHICH SAYS
SOMETHING ABOUT OUR MOMENT.
>> Bill: THAT'S WHAT WE NEED
MORE OF, BEING ABLE TO SPEAK
FREELY -- THIS IS AN ISSUE BUT
IN THE AGE OF TRUMP, IT'S A
SMALL -- IS NOT A SMALL THING.
BEING ABLE TO SPEAK FREELY IS
THE LIFEBLOOD, NOT ONLY OF
DEMOCRACY BUT OUR VERY WAY OF
LIFE.
TRADER JOE'S, THEY'VE GOT TO DO
SOMETHING ABOUT THE PARKING LOT
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THAT'S A
GOOD THING.
I GOT TO GO, YOU WERE GREAT,
THANK YOU FOR COMING ON AND KEEP
AT IT BECAUSE WE NEED TO KEEP AT
IT, THANK YOU GUYS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, BILL.
>> Bill: IN A WEEK OF BAD
NEWS, I GUESS THE MOST CHILLING
CAME FROM TRUMP HIMSELF, HE
TWEETED THAT HE WAS THINKING
ABOUT DELAYING THE ELECTION.
I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN
BUT YOU CAN TELL HE'S SERIOUS
ABOUT BEING PRESIDENT FOR LIFE
BECAUSE HE'S TALKING ABOUT A
BOOK, WE'VE GOT AN ADVANCE COPY
OF IT, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO
WHEN THEY WANT TO BURNISH THEIR
CREDENTIALS TO BE PRESIDENT FOR
LIFE.
THEY PUT OUT A BOOK AND HIS IS
CALLED "PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT."
THAT'S HIS BIG CLAIM TO FAME.
HEALTH CARE IS COMPLICATED,
NOBODY KNEW THAT.
LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN, PEOPLE
DON'T KNOW THAT.
THIS IS HIS BOOK, LOOK AT SOME
OF THE THINGS IN THIS BOOK.
BABE RUTH WAS A FANTASTIC
BASEBALL PLAYER.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT, MOST
PEOPLE DO NOT --
WHEN YOU LOOK IN A MIRROR
EVERYTHING IS BACKWARDS
WHEN DOCTORS SAY "STOOL,"
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT YOUR POOP.
NOBODY KNOWS THAT.
WHEN A WOMAN GIVES BIRTH, THE
BABY COMES OUT WITH A CORD
ATTACHED!
MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
PIZZA IS MADE FROM CHEESE,
TOMATOES AND DOUGH.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THIS.
EMINEM IS A RAPPER BUT ALSO A
WHITE GUY!
MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
IN "THE WIZARD OF OZ," THE WHOLE
THING TURNS OUT TO BE A DREAM.
WOMEN CAN HAVE ORGASMS JUST LIKE
A MAN.
PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
HE'S AN ACTOR AND COMEDIAN WHOSE
NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLING NOVEL
WRITTEN WITH DANA VASHAN IS
CALLED "MEMOIRS AND
MISINFORMATION": JIM CARREY.
HE'S A NATIONAL TREASURE,
NATIONAL ICON, I'M SURE HE WILL
BE A NATIONAL MONUMENT SOMEDAY.
IT'S A JIM CARREY!
>> WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THE CRAZY
MONUMENTS.
>> Bill: I WISH WE COULD BE
TOGETHER IN PERSON BECAUSE YOU
HAVE SUCH ELECTRIC ENERGY.
>> I LOVE TO TOUCH ON YOU.
>> Bill: IT'S ALMOST A SIN
THAT WE HAVE TO DO IT BY ZOOM.
I WAS THINKING ABOUT YOU AND
YOUR SUCH A HARD GUY TO PREDICT.
I DON'T KNOW IF BEING HOME
ALONE -- BY THE WAY, YOU
WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IN THAT
MOVIE, EVEN AS AN ADULT, I THINK
YOU COULD HAVE DONE THE MOVIE AS
THE CHILD.
>> EXCEPT THE BURGLARS WERE
IMAGINARY.
>> Bill: IN YOUR MIND.
>> THEY NEVER EXISTED.
>> Bill: YOUR HOME ALONE ALL
DAY, QUARANTINING, IS THAT A
GOOD THING FOR YOU?
THE LOVE THAT OR DO YOU HATE
THAT?
>> IT'S GREAT AND IT'S
HORRIFYING BECAUSE I NEED TO BE
ENCOURAGED TO BE SOCIAL.
I NEED SOCIAL ENCOURAGEMENT, I
NEED A REASON TO GO OUT.
EVEN WHEN THEY TELL YOU YOU CAN
WEAR A MASK AND YOU CAN DO THIS
AND DO THAT AND I SAY WHAT OF
FLATULENCE?
FAUCI SAYS NOTHING ABOUT
FLATULENCE, THESE DAYS YOU HAVE
A REASON TO BE ANGRY WHEN YOU
SMELL SOMETHING.
>> Bill: WHAT ABOUT PAINTING?
I HAVE THIS IN MY HOME AND I'M
GOING TO HOLD IT UP, YOU HAD A
GALLERY SHOWING.
>> IT'S MY PICTURE OF BABY DUMB
DUMB.
>> Bill: YOU ARE SO POLITICAL
WITH YOUR PAINTING.
I LOVE THAT I BOUGHT THIS, IT'S
GOING TO GET ME A LOT OF MONEY
SOMEDAY.
IT'S AN AMAZING --
>> AND ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE
POLITICAL RECORD TO.
>> Bill: IT'S CALLED THE
WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST WING
AND I FUCKING LOVE IT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH
A PRETTY PENNY TO GET ME TO PART
WITH THIS.
>> THERE'S SO MANY I CAN'T PUT
OUT THERE.
>> Bill: IF TRUMP DOES GO
AWAY.
>> THERE'S THE LINCOLN MONUMENT
WITH A SHOTGUN SHOOTING HIMSELF,
THAT KIND OF THING.
I'M SAVING THAT.
>> Bill: YOU ARE LOSING YOUR
MUSE.
WHAT WILL YOU PAINT IF HE GOES
AWAY?
>> OH, MY GOSH, THERE'S SO MANY
THINGS, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS
BUT THAT'S THE CRAZY THING ABOUT
THIS ERA.
THIS ONE MEGALOMANIACAL LUNATIC
TRADER IS ABLE TO CAPTURE THE
ZEITGEIST ENTIRELY ALMOST.
AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST
SECOND-TIER AS FAR AS OUR
INTEREST GOES BECAUSE WE ARE IN
ACTUAL MORTAL DANGER.
IT'S ON OUR MINDS AND HE GETS
OUR ATTENTION AND HE GETS TOO
MUCH ATTENTION.
BASICALLY I SIT BACK AND I LOOK
AT TRUMP AND I GO FOR
GOD'S SAKES, CAN'T WE SEE THIS
FOR WHAT IT IS?
IT'S A HEIST.
IT'S NOT KHATAMI PLAZA.
BRUCE WILLIS IS ON THE WRONG
SIDE.
IT'S A GUY, HIS ENTIRE LIFE IS
FOCUSED TOWARDS CREATING CHAOS.
THAT'S AN AGENDA SET BY SOMEONE
ELSE, BY A FOREIGN POWER AND
HE'S DOING QUITE WELL WITH THAT
AGENDA.
IF YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING
THROUGH THAT PRISM, IT'S THE
ONLY PRISM WITH WHICH YOU CAN
LOOK AT IT AND THIS MAKES SENSE.
IT MAKES SENSE AS TOTAL CHAOS
AND DESTRUCTION LIKE THE
OLIGARCHS PLAN TO DIVIDE AND
CONQUER.
GET US FIGHTING WITH EACH OTHER,
FIGHTING WITH OURSELVES, AND
THEN THEY CAN STEAL WHATEVER
THEY WANT TO STEAL, THEY CAN
TURN THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN AND
SHAKE IT UNTIL THE MONEY FALLS
OUT TO.
>> Bill: AS SOMEONE WHO PLAYED
ANDY KAUFMAN ONCE, IT MUST
STRIKE YOU AS IT STRIKES ME THAT
REALLY A LOT OF WHAT HE DOES
LOOKS LIKE PERFORMANCE ART.
>> I DON'T THINK HE'S SMART
ENOUGH TO DO PERFORMANCE ART BUT
I THINK HE'S A WOUNDED BEING.
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.
DANA AND I TALK ABOUT IT IN THE
BOOK, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN --
>> Bill: LET'S GET TO YOUR
BOOK, LET'S NOT LET DONALD TRUMP
HIJACK ALL OF YOUR TIME WHEN
IT'S REALLY ABOUT YOUR BOOK.
I WROTE YOU AFTER I READ IT.
>> HOW DID IT HAPPEN?
HOW DID NINE YEARS OF
CONVERSATION AND FRIENDSHIP
TURNED INTO THREE YEARS OF
INSANE WORK AND SOMETHING --
WHAT I THINK IS BEAUTIFUL AND I
CAN SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M ONLY
RESPONSIBLE FOR HALF OF IT.
IT'S AN INCREDIBLE GIFT, I DON'T
KNOW WHAT ELSE.
I'M ALMOST EMBARRASSED ABOUT IT.
I WAS SHOCKED IN THE BEST
POSSIBLE WAY.
AT THIS POINT PEOPLE ARE GOING
TO GO WHAT IS THIS DUDE?
>> Bill: LET ME DESCRIBE A
LITTLE FOR PEOPLE WHO MIGHT WANT
TO GET THIS.
YOU'RE FUCKING UP YOUR OWN PLUG!
>> I CAN'T TAKE THIS FORMAT!
SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST TOO BIG FOR
IT.
ME AND ELVIS CAN'T DO IT!
>> Bill: IT'S THE PICTURES
THAT GOT LITTLE.
>> YOU'VE GOT TO SEE MY KARATE
MOVE.
>> Bill: WHAT I IMMEDIATELY
WAS GRABBED BY WAS THE FACT THAT
IT'S A BOOK WHERE JIM CARREY IS
A CHARACTER MUCH THE WAY IN A
SITCOM THAT BECAME THE TEMPLATE
NOW.
LARRY DAVID STARTED WITH CURB
YOUR ENTHUSIASM OR MAYBE
JERRY SEINFELD BUT THAT WAS HALF
LARRY'S SHOW TOO, JERRY WAS
JERRY SEINFELD AND LARRY WAS
LARRY DAVID --
AND OF COURSE THE ANSWER IS
BOTH, IT IS AND IT ISN'T.
THAT'S WHAT YOU DO IN A NOVEL,
YOU ARE JIM CARREY.
>> I'M A CHARACTER NAMED JIM
CARREY, MAKING FUN OF MY OWN
EGO, MY OWN DUALITY AND MY OWN
EVERYTHING AND MY OWN HUNGER AND
AT THE SAME TIME IT ALSO MAKES
FUN OF THE PERCEPTIONS PEOPLE
HAVE ABOUT HOLLYWOOD THAT THIS
IS WHAT FAME IS LIKE.
FAME IS A VERY BIZARRE THING,
YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND UNLESS YOU
GET IT.
YOU CAN WANT TO WALK ON THE MOON
ALL YOU WANT WITH YOUR LITTLE
KID BUT WHEN YOU GO THERE,
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A SUIT AND
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AN AIR PUMPED
IN AND IS NO PLACE TO LIVE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE BOOK IS
TRYING TO PROVE.
FIND OTHER PLACES THAT ARE NO
PLACE TO LIVE.
>> Bill: LOVE HIM BUT ON THE
GUEST GOING TO MARS.
>> SHUT YOU IN A ROOM AND
CONTROL YOUR CLIMATE.
>> Bill: THAT'S LIKE VEGAS
THESE DAYS.
ONCE AGAIN, LET ME PLUG YOUR
BOOK.
LET ME TAKE ONE MORE STAB
BECAUSE IT STRIKES ME AS A BOOK
THAT COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN
WRITTEN BY A CANADIAN BECAUSE
YOU CANADIANS, YOU LOOK AT
AMERICA AND IT'S LIKE YOU WANT
TO BE PART OF IT AND YOU DON'T.
YOU WANT TO BE AT THE PARTY BUT
YOU'RE VERY AMBIVALENT ABOUT IT.
AND YOU'RE A FOUNTAIN OF TALENT,
ALL THE PEOPLE WHO COME OUT OF
CANADA.
>> I'M AT THE PARTY.
I'M WATCHING THE DOOR.
I'M MAKING SURE THERE'S AN EXIT
FOR EVERYBODY, I'M TRYING
EVERYTHING I CAN TO LET PEOPLE
KNOW THAT IT'S NOT NORMAL TO SIT
AND WATCH THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES OBSESSIVELY SPEW
OUT PURULENT DISCHARGES ON
TWITTER ALL DAY LONG.
>> Bill: YOU'RE OBSESSED.
I ASKED YOU A QUESTION ABOUT
YOUR BOOK AND YOU'RE TALKING
ABOUT TRUMP.
TRUMP ISN'T A BIG PART OF THE
BOOK.
>> BUT TYRANNY IS.
IT'S THE OTHER SIDE OF
CELEBRITY.
>> Bill: THAT'S A GREAT THEME
AND ALSO YOU HAVE A LOT OF OTHER
CELEBRITIES AND YOU PUT WORDS IN
THEIR MOUTH, I'M SURE SOME OF
THEM ARE MAD AT YOU.
>> I HAVE NO IDEA BUT I CAN TELL
YOU THIS.
SO FAR, NICK CAGE LOVES IT HE'S
OUT OF HIS MIND FOR IT, HE WAS
HONORED BY THE WHOLE PROCESS.
JOE DANGERFIELD SENT ME LOVELY
EMAILS ABOUT HOW MUCH HE LOVED
IT AND HOW MUCH RODNEY
DANGERFIELD WOULD HAVE LOVED IT
AND HOW I DEALT WITH THAT
CHARACTER AND THE FEAR OF THE
FUTURE LOSS OF AI AND ALL OF
THAT STUFF AND WE ARE ACTUALLY
GOING TO BE TALKING TO DEAD
PEOPLE AND HAVING RELATIONSHIPS
WITH THEM.
>> Bill: I WANT TO READ ONE
QUOTE BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS
SO FUNNY, IT'S SO HARD NOWADAYS
TO ACTUALLY DO PARITY.
YOU CANNOT STAY AHEAD OF HOW
WEIRD SHIT IS AND AT THE END I
DON'T WANT TO GIVE TOO MUCH
AWAY, DURING THE ALIEN INVASION,
KANYE WEST SAYS "YOU NEED NOT BE
AFRAID.
THEY SPEAK TO ME IN SUPERNATURAL
VERSES, I AM ONE WITH THEIR
JAM."
AND I'M NOT SO SURE HE DIDN'T
SAY THAT THIS WEEK!
>> IT'S A VERY STRANGE THING
WHERE PARITY BECOMES PARALLEL
WITH REALITY.
WE'VE GOT TO MARK THESE THINGS,
HE'S ONE OF THE GREAT CHARACTERS
OF OUR ZEITGEIST AT THE MOMENT
AND I WANTED HIM TO HAVE A PLACE
IN IT NO MATTER WHAT HE'S DOING,
I CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT.
>> Bill: FOR ME IT WAS A REAL
GIFT IN THIS TIME.
I WAS HOME, WE HAD A MONTH OFF
AND TO HAVE THIS BOOK REALLY
GAVE ME A FEW DAYS, I READ IT
VERY FAST, GREAT PLEASURE, I
RECOMMEND IT.
>> IT'S SO GREAT, THAT'S SO NICE
TO HEAR THAT FROM YOU.
I LOVE THAT AND I'M VERY LUCKY.
>> Bill: LET'S HOPE WE HAVE A
LOOK IN PERSON SOON AND I WILL
SEE YOU SOON, JIM CARREY.
>> ABSOLUTELY, SO GREAT TO SEE
YOU.
>> Bill: OKAY, TIME FOR NEW
RULES!
THE SQUIRRELS HERE HAVE MISSED A
NEW RULES COME ALL THE WOODEN
CREATURES --
NEW RULE: SOMEONE HAS TO PULL
TRUMP ASIDE AND EXPLAIN TO HIM
THAT, WHEN YOU BRAG ABOUT
"ACING" YOUR DEMENTIA TEST,
YOU'RE ALSO ADMITTING THAT IT
WAS RECOMMENDED YOU TAKE A
DEMENTIA TEST.
IT'S EMBARRASSING YOU HAD TO DO
IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IT'S LIKE BOASTING THAT YOU
CHANGE YOUR OWN DIAPERS.
NEW RULE: IF IN FEBRUARY YOU
TWEET, "KEEP AMERICA GREAT!!!",
AND THEN IN JULY YOU TWEET "MAKE
AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"
YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THAT BETWEEN
FEBRUARY AND JULY YOU RUINED
AMERICA.
NEW RULE: SOMEONE HAS TO REMIND
THE "CHECK ENGINE" LIGHT WHAT
COUNTRY THIS IS.
"OOH!
THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG!
AND IF WE DON'T DEAL WITH IT NOW
IT'S GOING TO GROW INTO AN EVEN
BIGGER PROBLEM!"
COME ON, CHECK ENGINE LIGHT,
THIS IS AMERICA - CALL US WHEN
THE CAR'S A FIREBALL.
NEW RULE: THE WOMAN IN A PANERA
WHO PROTESTED WEARING A MASK BY
YELLING "YOU FART OUT YOUR ASS;
YOU CAN SMELL IT OUT OF YOUR
ASS.
YOU THINK THAT MASK IS GOING TO
PROTECT YOU?"
HAS TO ADMIT ONE THING.
IF SOMEONE FARTED ON YOU,
WOULDN'T YOU RATHER THEY WERE
WEARING PANTS?
NEW RULE: DON'T BE STUPIDER THAN
YOUR SPOUSE.
HERE'S A REAL QUOTE ON FACEBOOK
FROM A WOMAN IN SOUTH CAROLINA
WHO HATES WEARING A MASK: "MY
HUSBAND HAD TO WEAR A MASK ON A
BUSINESS TRIP AND NOW HE HAS
CHLAMYDIA."
AND SHE BELIEVED HIM.
THAT HE GOT CHLAMYDIA FROM A
MASK.
AND IT WAS A STRANGE
COINCIDENCE, BECAUSE WHILE HE
WAS AWAY, HER UNDERWEAR GAVE HER
HERPES.
AND FINALLY, NEW RULE.
AMERICA'S TOP HEALTH OFFICIALS
HAVE TO FIND THE COURAGE TO DO
WHAT THE HEALTH OFFICIALS IN
HUNTINGTON, NEW YORK DID: THEY
TOLD THE ENTIRE TOWN OF 200,000
TO GO ON A DIET BECAUSE, AS THE
HEAD OF THE PROGRAM PUT IT "
COVID-19, YOU'RE TWICE AS LIKELY
TO HAVE A POOR OUTCOME IF YOU'RE
OBESE."
ACTUALLY, IT'S WORSE THAN THAT:
PUBLIC HEALTH ENGLAND FOUND THAT
PEOPLE WITH A BODY- MASS-INDEX
OF 35-40 HAVE A 40% GREATER RISK
OF DYING FROM COVID, AND OVER 40
IT'S A 90% GREATER RISK.
EVEN BEING MILDLY OBESE MAKES IT
FIVE TIMES MORE LIKELY THAT
CATCHING THE VIRUS WILL LAND YOU
IN THE ICU.
AND NOW, PEOPLE ARE GAINING EVEN
MORE WEIGHT - THEY CALL IT THE
"QUARANTINE 15."
JEEZ, I REMEMBER WHEN PLAGUES
HAD A SLIMMING EFFECT ON PEOPLE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A COINCIDENCE
THAT THE COUNTRIES WITH THE
LOWEST RATES OF OBESITY HAVE HAD
THE FEWEST COVID DEATHS.
MAYBE CHINA ISN'T HIDING ALL
THEIR COVID DEATHS; MAYBE THEIR
"SECRET" IS THAT THEIR OBESITY
RATE IS 6% AND OURS IS 42.
AND POINTING ALL THIS OUT
DOESN'T MAKE ME A DICK - IN
FACT, THE SHAME IS ON EVERYONE
IN MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT WHO IS
TOO COWARDLY TO EMPHASIZE HOW
IMPORTANT AN ISSUE THIS IS.
BECAUSE THE VIRUS MADE IT AN
ISSUE.
OBESITY WAS ALREADY KILLING US
SLOWLY, BUT YOU MIX IT WITH
COVID AND IT KILLS YOU FAST.
YOU CAN SCREAM AT ME ALL YOU
WANT FOR SAYING THAT, BUT IT
WON'T CHANGE THE SCIENTIFIC
TRUTH OF IT.
NO ONE DESERVES TO DIE BECAUSE
OF THEIR WEIGHT, AND WE SHOULD
SPARE NO EXPENSE PROTECTING
VULNERABLE PEOPLE NO MATTER WHY
THEY'RE VULNERABLE - BUT MAKE NO
MISTAKE, AMERICA FIGHTING COVID
IS LIKE A BOXER WHO WENT INTO
THE RING OUT OF SHAPE AND IS
TAKING A BEATING FOR IT.
EVERY DAY, WE HEAR THE SAME
WARNINGS ABOUT FIGHTING THE
VIRUS: WEAR A MASK; WASH YOUR
HANDS; HAVE SEX THROUGH A GLORY
HOLE.
BUT THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF
HEALTH DURING A HEALTH CRISIS -
DR.FAUCI, DR., BIRX, SURGEON
GENERAL ADAMS, HEAD OF THE CDC
DR., REDFIELD, NATIONAL
INSTITUTES OF HEALTH DIRECTOR
DR. FRANCIS COLLINS - DON'T EVER
REALLY MENTION THE ONE MAJOR
THING MOST PEOPLE COULD DO TO
ENSURE A BETTER OUTCOME SHOULD
THEY GET IT.
TO ME, IT'S SUCH A SCANDAL THESE
DOCTORS WON'T LOOK STRAIGHT IN
THE CAMERA AND SAY "THE NUMBER
ONE THING YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE
YOUR CHANCES IS BE IN BETTER
GENERAL HEALTH, AND THE NUMBER
ONE ROUTE TO THAT IS AN IMPROVED
DIET."
TO BE A DOCTOR RIGHT NOW AND NOT
DISCUSS DIET IS LIKE BEING A
CLOWN WHO WON'T DO BALLOON
ANIMALS.
WHY NOT AN ALL-OUT CAMPAIGN TO
EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON THE
DANGERS OF A DIET OF SUGARY,
CHEMICAL- LADEN CRAP?
KRISPY KREME "HONORED" OUR
FRONTLINE DOCTORS AND NURSES IN
APRIL BY GIVING THEM 18 MILLION
DONUTS.
WHICH IS LIKE HONORING FIREMEN
WITH NAPALM.
AND WHY NOT A CAMPAIGN TO MAKE
IT A PRIORITY TO GET DECENT FOOD
INTO POOR NEIGHBORHOODS?
WHY NOT FOR EVERY PSA ABOUT A
MASK, A PSA WITH A RECIPE FOR A
HEALTHY MEAL?
I THINK SO MANY LIVES COULD HAVE
BEEN SAVED IF AT THE VERY
BEGINNING OF THIS CRISIS THE
MEDICAL ESTABLISHMENT HAD MADE A
CONCERTED EFFORT TO TELL
AMERICANS, "WHILE YOU'RE IN
LOCKDOWN GETTING FREE MONEY FOR
NOT WORKING, YOU NEED TO DO
SOMETHING, TOO."
EVEN THE POOREST PERSON COULD
SWITCH OUT SODA AT MEALS FOR
WATER - IT'LL SAVE YOU MONEY,
TOO.
A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO GET IN
SHAPE WOULD HAVE DRAMATICALLY
IMPROVED OUR CHANCES AGAINST
THIS DISEASE, AND MADE US FEEL
BETTER ABOUT OURSELVES TO BOOT,
BUT IT WAS NEVER EVEN MENTIONED,
EVEN IN A COUNTRY THAT LOVES
"CHALLENGES" -, THE ICE BUCKET
CHALLENGE, PLANKING, ALL THE
"THIS-WILL-MAKE-YOU-PUKE"
CHALLENGES.
CONDOMS UP YOUR NOSE.
THE MANNEQUIN CHALLENGE - QUITE
A CHALLENGE, THAT ONE.
WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE GOTTEN
BEHIND A REAL CHALLENGE LIKE, OH
I DON'T KNOW, "GETTING HEALTHY
SO THE VIRUS DOESN'T KILL YOU"
CHALLENGE?!
BUT AS MICHELLE OBAMA FOUND OUT,
JUST TRYING TO GIVE SOUND
NUTRITIONAL ADVICE GETS YOU
VILIFIED IN AMERICA.
YOU'RE A HEALTH "NUT" - THAT'S
WHAT WE SAY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO
JUST EAT RIGHT, THEY'RE "NUTS."
INTO WEIRD, HIPPIE SHIT, LIKE
VEGETABLES.
NO, WE NEED TO STOP GLAMORIZING
GLUTTONY.
DIABETES ISN'T JUST A THEORY.
AND WITH THIS VIRUS NOW?
ENABLERS AND GLORIFIERS ARE
PLAYING WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES.
IF YOU'RE ALWAYS ON ABOUT HOW
THIS IS A LIFE AND DEATH ISSUE -
AND IT IS - WE CAN'T HAVE "BODY
POSITIVITY" BE A THIRD RAIL
ANYMORE.
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS CAN KILL,
I'VE SEEN IT BEFORE - THIS ISSUE
IS TOO FUNDAMENTAL TO WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES, AND TO HOW
SUCCESSFUL AMERICA IS GOING TO
BE IN GETTING OUT OF THIS
CRISIS.
OKAY, THAT'S OUR SHOW.
I WANT TO THANK MY GUESTS KERRY
WASHINGTON, THOMAS CHATTERTON
WILLIAMS, BARI WEISS AND JIM
CARREY.
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK.
PROBABLY IN MY BACKYARD.
MAN: You need to decide what kinda person you wanna be.