1 00:00:01,824 --> 00:00:02,740 -(APPLAUSE) -We're back... 2 00:00:03,073 --> 00:00:04,198 And, uh... 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,699 here are the questions from people: 4 00:00:06,782 --> 00:00:09,240 Kara do you agree with Joe Biden that Mark Zuckerberg 5 00:00:09,323 --> 00:00:10,949 is a quote "real problem"? 6 00:00:11,448 --> 00:00:12,990 Uh... I don't know quite what he meant by that. 7 00:00:13,073 --> 00:00:14,198 I think there's issues around Mark 8 00:00:14,407 --> 00:00:15,490 -and leading of Facebook... -(BILL CHUCKLES) 9 00:00:15,573 --> 00:00:16,740 ...you know, and I think there's regular-- 10 00:00:16,824 --> 00:00:18,031 I don't know if he's a real problem, 11 00:00:18,115 --> 00:00:20,740 but he's definitely making decisions that are problematic, 12 00:00:20,824 --> 00:00:23,490 um, including the political advertising, 13 00:00:23,865 --> 00:00:24,824 micro-targeting, 14 00:00:25,198 --> 00:00:27,782 that others have spent more time being more thoughtful about. 15 00:00:27,865 --> 00:00:29,824 But-- You know, I kinda defended him on that. 16 00:00:29,907 --> 00:00:31,740 He's saying, "We're not gonna correct lies," 17 00:00:31,824 --> 00:00:33,865 but, you know, it's such a slippery slope. 18 00:00:33,949 --> 00:00:35,532 What is a lie and what is not? 19 00:00:35,615 --> 00:00:38,240 I don't know-- Of course, I know when Trump is lying, 20 00:00:38,448 --> 00:00:42,115 but other politicians have lied, it's by degree. 21 00:00:42,198 --> 00:00:44,865 It's the difference between paid advertising and free speech. 22 00:00:44,949 --> 00:00:46,156 And I think they're talking-- 23 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,657 Paid speech and free speech are two different things. 24 00:00:48,740 --> 00:00:50,782 -BILL: Right, okay. -Facebook's kinda conflated them together. 25 00:00:51,115 --> 00:00:53,365 -And they're not the same thing. -That's a great point. Right. Okay. 26 00:00:53,448 --> 00:00:56,448 Cable networks have said that they'll actually 27 00:00:56,532 --> 00:01:00,865 take responsibility if a paid ad is verifiably false, 28 00:01:00,949 --> 00:01:03,365 so if a cable network can do it, I don't see how Facebook, 29 00:01:03,448 --> 00:01:06,448 with vastly greater levels of resources, can't do it. 30 00:01:06,699 --> 00:01:08,824 Andrew, do you have any thoughts on the... 31 00:01:08,907 --> 00:01:09,907 (APPLAUSE) 32 00:01:10,198 --> 00:01:12,990 Do you have any thoughts on the new Iowa caucus rules 33 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:16,281 that could result in three different sets of winners? 34 00:01:16,365 --> 00:01:17,824 I'm not up on that yet, you'll have to... 35 00:01:18,407 --> 00:01:19,448 -Hit me. -Yes. 36 00:01:19,532 --> 00:01:21,407 -Uh... -What does that-- What does that mean? 37 00:01:21,490 --> 00:01:22,824 JON JON: Everybody gets a trophy? 38 00:01:23,031 --> 00:01:24,281 (LAUGHTER) 39 00:01:24,365 --> 00:01:26,323 ANDREW YANG: Well, they we pushing toward a virtual caucus 40 00:01:26,407 --> 00:01:28,407 and they pulled back on that, and so this time 41 00:01:28,490 --> 00:01:30,031 they're including vote count, which is unusual, 42 00:01:30,115 --> 00:01:31,532 so you might win a vote count, 43 00:01:31,615 --> 00:01:33,740 -and then there's a delegate count, and... -BILL: Wait, wait. 44 00:01:33,824 --> 00:01:36,490 They're counting vote count? What were they doing before? 45 00:01:36,573 --> 00:01:38,865 Before... So, it's a complicated system 46 00:01:38,949 --> 00:01:41,281 where you have to be viable in a particular area 47 00:01:41,365 --> 00:01:44,490 and then you get delegates assigned based upon proportions. 48 00:01:44,782 --> 00:01:46,615 But then they're also including raw votes. 49 00:01:46,824 --> 00:01:49,198 So, it's, in theory, more transparent. 50 00:01:49,281 --> 00:01:51,073 It's going to be a little bit confusing. 51 00:01:51,156 --> 00:01:52,907 -JOE JOE: It could be messy. -It could be messy, 52 00:01:52,990 --> 00:01:56,490 but we're excited. I'm flying right from here to Iowa, 53 00:01:56,573 --> 00:01:58,198 I have a 17-day bus tour. 54 00:01:58,281 --> 00:02:01,657 Your friend Norm McDonald is gonna come rally some Iowans. 55 00:02:01,740 --> 00:02:02,782 Oh, he's one of the Yang Gang? 56 00:02:03,031 --> 00:02:04,198 -He is one of the Yang Gang. -Oh, cool. 57 00:02:04,615 --> 00:02:07,031 -JOE: Dave Chapelle. -KARA: Dave Chapelle. -BILL: Dave Chapelle, yeah. 58 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,240 (CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 59 00:02:08,907 --> 00:02:12,740 -Yes. The gang is getting bigger and more vibrant all the time. -BILL: Bigger. 60 00:02:12,824 --> 00:02:15,198 Uh... But the Iowa caucus, um, it's-- 61 00:02:15,281 --> 00:02:17,949 And the senators can't campaign there, 62 00:02:18,031 --> 00:02:20,031 -because they're at the impeachment trial. -KARA: Right. 63 00:02:20,323 --> 00:02:22,907 So, you have less competition out there at the diner. 64 00:02:23,115 --> 00:02:25,407 Yes, the bus traffic will be a little bit lighter. 65 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:28,156 (LAUGHTER) 66 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:33,615 -(LAUGHS) -JOE: Bus traffic in Iowa. -(LAUGHTER) 67 00:02:33,699 --> 00:02:36,198 Joe, what do you think should happen to Devin Nunes 68 00:02:36,281 --> 00:02:39,448 now that we know about his association with Lev Parnas. 69 00:02:39,532 --> 00:02:41,156 -JOE: Oh, my God... -BILL: You served with-- with-- 70 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,990 -Yeah. -You must know Devin quite well. 71 00:02:43,073 --> 00:02:44,365 He's a meathead. I mean... 72 00:02:44,448 --> 00:02:46,490 -(LAUGHTER) -...I'm serious, Bill. 73 00:02:46,573 --> 00:02:49,448 -BILL: Joe... Joe, he was like... -(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE) 74 00:02:49,949 --> 00:02:52,699 -I think he's... I think he's in some trouble. -KARA: Yeah. 75 00:02:52,949 --> 00:02:54,865 -He's clearly... -BILL: Legal trouble? 76 00:02:55,365 --> 00:02:57,031 I don't-- I don't know. Possibly. 77 00:02:57,407 --> 00:02:59,824 But he and Parnas were like best friends 78 00:02:59,907 --> 00:03:01,490 communicating on this deal. 79 00:03:01,573 --> 00:03:04,073 He was part of it, he denied he even knew the guy, 80 00:03:04,156 --> 00:03:05,699 -he's in some trouble. -BILL: All right. 81 00:03:05,782 --> 00:03:07,782 Jon, were you surprised to read that Trump 82 00:03:07,865 --> 00:03:10,824 called his generals... (SCOFFS) ...dopes and babies. 83 00:03:11,198 --> 00:03:12,949 -Surprised about anything? -Yeah... 84 00:03:13,031 --> 00:03:15,824 Or are the revelations in A Very Stable Genius 85 00:03:15,907 --> 00:03:18,198 just more of the crazy old Trump. 86 00:03:18,281 --> 00:03:20,907 This is the... book I referenced there in the... 87 00:03:20,990 --> 00:03:22,240 JON: Yeah, Phil Rucker and his colleague. 88 00:03:22,323 --> 00:03:23,365 BILL: Right. 89 00:03:23,448 --> 00:03:25,990 I just ordered it. I haven't read it yet, but... 90 00:03:26,073 --> 00:03:29,031 I've asked Andrew actually, to see if he would mind having 91 00:03:29,115 --> 00:03:31,990 a lapel pin that says "Non-fiction hardback books," 92 00:03:32,073 --> 00:03:33,532 -as opposed to "Math." -(BILL CHUCKLES) 93 00:03:33,615 --> 00:03:34,740 -But... -Sure. 94 00:03:34,824 --> 00:03:36,907 JON: I appreciate that. Yeah, if you win we'll do it. 95 00:03:36,990 --> 00:03:38,281 BILL: Good for your thread count. 96 00:03:38,365 --> 00:03:41,115 I think that, uh-- Yeah. I think... 97 00:03:42,156 --> 00:03:44,657 What the book will tell us, I suspect, 98 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:46,156 is what a lot of these other books have told us, 99 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,198 which is, they give us... It's like The Wizard of Oz, 100 00:03:49,281 --> 00:03:51,532 we know the black and white, and then they get to Oz 101 00:03:51,615 --> 00:03:53,323 and it's in color. Right? 102 00:03:53,407 --> 00:03:55,281 There are details that fill it out. 103 00:03:55,490 --> 00:03:57,490 -And... -BILL: But how do we know it's true? 104 00:03:57,782 --> 00:03:59,907 -I mean... (STUTTERS) -(PANELISTS CLAMOR) 105 00:03:59,990 --> 00:04:01,699 Of course, it's believable, anything about-- 106 00:04:01,782 --> 00:04:03,115 KARA: But these are some amazing reporters. 107 00:04:03,198 --> 00:04:04,407 -JON: Yeah... -BILL: So what? 108 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:06,615 But they weren't in the room. It's always-- 109 00:04:06,699 --> 00:04:08,699 They're probably getting it from Rex Tillerson, 110 00:04:08,782 --> 00:04:10,156 he seems like the hero. 111 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,115 I feel like I've seen this movie with Bob Woodward. 112 00:04:13,198 --> 00:04:15,073 Like, we read a book of his, and it's really-- 113 00:04:15,156 --> 00:04:16,615 Because he had Colin Powell. 114 00:04:16,699 --> 00:04:19,782 So, I'm not saying Colin Powell is a guy-- I love Colin Powell, 115 00:04:19,865 --> 00:04:21,448 but you're getting his story. 116 00:04:21,532 --> 00:04:23,615 It seems like we're getting Rex Tillerson's story. 117 00:04:23,699 --> 00:04:26,782 But when everybody around the guy says he's a moron... 118 00:04:26,865 --> 00:04:28,365 BILL: Well we know he's a moron. 119 00:04:28,448 --> 00:04:30,073 -I know. But even beyond that. -BILL: Right. 120 00:04:30,323 --> 00:04:31,907 KARA: And they have more than one source, 121 00:04:31,990 --> 00:04:33,615 these are not reporters that go with one source. 122 00:04:33,699 --> 00:04:35,365 Yeah, I don't publish stuff unless I have two people. 123 00:04:35,448 --> 00:04:37,115 -Two or three, yeah. -BILL: Right, okay. 124 00:04:37,323 --> 00:04:41,407 Well, again, extremely believable that he would say that, 125 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:43,615 but I think the bigger issue is that he has, 126 00:04:43,699 --> 00:04:45,198 I keep saying, he suffers... 127 00:04:45,407 --> 00:04:47,281 Everything comes from the fact that he suffers 128 00:04:47,365 --> 00:04:49,990 from narcissistic personality disorder. 129 00:04:50,281 --> 00:04:54,615 Only a narcissist who cannot project anything in the future, 130 00:04:54,699 --> 00:04:57,699 anything... would say to his top brass, 131 00:04:58,031 --> 00:05:00,156 "You're morons, I wouldn't go to war with you." 132 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,281 JON: Yeah. 133 00:05:01,365 --> 00:05:03,198 That's so self-destructive in so many ways. 134 00:05:03,281 --> 00:05:04,615 Well, no, actually, it's entertaining. 135 00:05:04,699 --> 00:05:05,907 He's doing this as entertainment. 136 00:05:05,990 --> 00:05:07,115 And one of the things that was in the book... 137 00:05:07,198 --> 00:05:08,615 -BILL: Entertainment? -...is that this is a show. 138 00:05:08,699 --> 00:05:10,156 -He said that... -BILL: But nobody was there-- 139 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,156 There was no audience there, how could that be a show? 140 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,865 The entire thing is a show for him. 141 00:05:13,949 --> 00:05:15,740 BILL: A show? But this was a private meeting with his brass. 142 00:05:15,824 --> 00:05:16,990 JON: I don't think it's any different. 143 00:05:17,073 --> 00:05:18,448 But he's playing it in his head, this is a-- 144 00:05:18,532 --> 00:05:20,782 I mean, I feel like I'm the-- I feel like I'm the only pers-- 145 00:05:20,865 --> 00:05:22,407 I watched every Apprentice, 146 00:05:22,490 --> 00:05:24,156 if you watch all the Apprentices, 147 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,657 and I did, I swear to God... 148 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:27,281 -BILL: 'Cause you liked it? -I did like it. 149 00:05:27,365 --> 00:05:28,657 It was your guilty pleasure show? 150 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:30,281 Like Temptation Island for me. 151 00:05:30,365 --> 00:05:31,824 -Okay. -(LAUGHTER) 152 00:05:32,031 --> 00:05:33,824 -KARA: But you do begin to see... -JON: Or the-- 153 00:05:33,907 --> 00:05:35,365 Or the impeachment trial for the rest of us, yeah. 154 00:05:35,448 --> 00:05:37,323 ...that it's entertainment. It's entertainment for him, 155 00:05:37,407 --> 00:05:40,240 and then he... then does Twitter and it's a call and response, 156 00:05:40,407 --> 00:05:43,281 then he calls in to Fox, it's all... it's all an act. 157 00:05:43,490 --> 00:05:45,865 And he's bull-- It's also just bullying, right? 158 00:05:45,949 --> 00:05:49,615 The one thing that did surprise me is he likes the way that generals look. 159 00:05:49,907 --> 00:05:52,490 -Uh... It's fascinating to me... -BILL: Central casting. 160 00:05:52,573 --> 00:05:56,990 -JOE: Yes. -Yeah. And so, to turn on them, uh, it must have been 161 00:05:57,073 --> 00:05:58,615 a particularly-- -BILL: He's done it so many times. 162 00:05:58,699 --> 00:06:01,532 -JOE: He's all.. -BILL: I mean, starting with, I mean, when-- when... 163 00:06:01,865 --> 00:06:03,907 the whole thing I knew was gonna go to shit 164 00:06:03,990 --> 00:06:05,490 when he, at the beginning of the campaign 165 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:07,323 said, "McCain, not a war hero, 166 00:06:07,615 --> 00:06:09,156 I like heroes who are not captured," 167 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,949 -and then they did not react. -KARA: Well, and he-- 168 00:06:12,031 --> 00:06:13,448 They did not throw him out of that race. 169 00:06:13,532 --> 00:06:15,657 He likes the rage. It's lather, rinse, repeat. 170 00:06:15,740 --> 00:06:16,865 And really, lather is-- 171 00:06:16,949 --> 00:06:18,281 BILL: But that was the real test. 172 00:06:18,657 --> 00:06:21,031 Like, were the republicans gonna say, "Oh, my God, 173 00:06:21,115 --> 00:06:23,532 that is against everything we have ever stood for 174 00:06:23,615 --> 00:06:26,198 and believe in, and this is one of our heroes, 175 00:06:26,281 --> 00:06:28,782 and I'm sorry, but you are just persona non grata 176 00:06:28,865 --> 00:06:30,490 in this party," and it didn't happen. 177 00:06:30,573 --> 00:06:32,031 And I was like, "Oh, now he's gonna do--" 178 00:06:32,115 --> 00:06:33,240 KARA: But what are they gonna do? 179 00:06:33,699 --> 00:06:34,990 -What do you expect them to do, carry him out? -JON: And who is "they"? 180 00:06:35,073 --> 00:06:36,824 He could not have won the nomination after that, 181 00:06:36,907 --> 00:06:38,657 that's how it always would have happened before. 182 00:06:38,740 --> 00:06:39,782 Why? 183 00:06:39,865 --> 00:06:41,407 If somebody had said John McCain is not a war hero? 184 00:06:41,490 --> 00:06:43,198 -KARA: They did... -Who? 185 00:06:43,281 --> 00:06:44,865 -...but it doesn't matter. -A Republican said that? 186 00:06:44,949 --> 00:06:47,240 A lot of them did. A lot of them. Much more than you'd think so. 187 00:06:47,323 --> 00:06:49,323 And it just gets exhau-- The whole thing is dying... 188 00:06:49,407 --> 00:06:50,865 BILL: Who said that, I'd love to know. Maybe I don't. 189 00:06:50,949 --> 00:06:53,407 Over and over again, people are shocked by this behavior, 190 00:06:53,490 --> 00:06:56,073 and they go, "I can't believe he said that," and at some point, I was like, 191 00:06:56,156 --> 00:06:57,699 "Believe it, he says it all the time." 192 00:06:57,782 --> 00:06:59,115 He does. But nobody else does. 193 00:06:59,198 --> 00:07:00,740 JOE: Right, just him. Bill, he's a demagogue 194 00:07:00,824 --> 00:07:02,865 and it worked. Because a lot-- As Andrew said, 195 00:07:02,949 --> 00:07:04,824 a lot of people wanted to believe 196 00:07:04,907 --> 00:07:07,240 in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, 197 00:07:07,448 --> 00:07:08,990 he was gonna deliver, baby. 198 00:07:09,073 --> 00:07:10,740 He was a demagogue and people bought that. 199 00:07:10,824 --> 00:07:11,990 BILL: You bought it! 200 00:07:12,073 --> 00:07:13,073 -No, no, no! -You said... 201 00:07:13,156 --> 00:07:15,407 -...you were gonna get a musket. -And Bill... 202 00:07:15,490 --> 00:07:16,657 ANDREW: Do you really have a musket? 203 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:18,949 -No! -I mean it was not that long ago 204 00:07:19,031 --> 00:07:20,448 you were gonna get a musket! 205 00:07:20,740 --> 00:07:22,323 What would I do with a musket? 206 00:07:22,407 --> 00:07:24,073 BILL: If he fair and square lost the election! 207 00:07:24,156 --> 00:07:25,323 KARA: Who has a musket here? 208 00:07:25,407 --> 00:07:27,031 -He does! -He says he doesn't! 209 00:07:27,115 --> 00:07:28,281 No, Bill, at home! 210 00:07:28,365 --> 00:07:30,073 -BILL: You still have it? At home? -At home. 211 00:07:30,156 --> 00:07:31,949 But what am I gonna do with a musket? 212 00:07:32,031 --> 00:07:32,990 He has a musket. 213 00:07:33,073 --> 00:07:34,365 -I go squirrel hunting. -Jon's got a musket. 214 00:07:34,448 --> 00:07:36,699 -Jon's got a musket. -So, how's the campaign going? 215 00:07:36,782 --> 00:07:38,573 Are you getting any traction from people who... 216 00:07:38,657 --> 00:07:41,782 Yes, we're polling at 14% in-- in Florida 217 00:07:41,865 --> 00:07:44,198 You've got 14% of the Republican vote? 218 00:07:44,281 --> 00:07:46,115 A poll came out yesterday, we're at 14%. 219 00:07:46,198 --> 00:07:47,865 That's pretty encouraging. Let's leave on that note. 220 00:07:47,949 --> 00:07:49,198 -(APPLAUSE) -(KARA LAUGHS) 221 00:07:49,573 --> 00:07:51,448 -Thank you for a great show. Thank you very much, audience. -JOE: Thank you.