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>> Announcer: THE FOLLOWING IS A

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PRESENTATION OF HBO SPORTS.

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♪ ♪

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>> Bryant: TONIGHT, ON "REAL

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SPORTS":

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SINCE THE BOSTON MARATHON WAS

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AMONG THOSE APRIL EVENTS

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CANCELED BY THE COVID PANDEMIC,

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HOW FITTING THAT THE MAN WHO HAS

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BEEN CHARGED WITH ORGANIZING THE

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RACE FOR THE PAST 34 YEARS, IS

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NOW INVOLVED IN GETTING

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BOSTONIANS VACCINATED, SO THE

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RACE AND LIFE CAN RETURN TO

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NORMAL.

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>> Dave: WE KNOW HOW TO MOVE

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PEOPLE.

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THAT'S WHAT WE DO.

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YOU KNOW, ATHLETICALLY, WE MOVE

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'EM.

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BUT WE CAN MOVE 'EM IN OTHER

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WAYS TOO.

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>> AND YOU'RE VACCINATED.

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>> ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> AMID CANCELLATIONS AND EMPTY

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STANDS, THE PANDEMIC'S IMPACT ON

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SPORTS HAS BEEN ALL TOO OBVIOUS.

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LESS OBVIOUS HAS BEEN ITS IMPACT

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ON ATHLETES, SPECIFICALLY THOSE

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YOUNGSTERS WHO ACCORDING TO SOME

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EXPERTS ARE NOW SUFFERING FROM

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DEPRESSION IN RECORD NUMBERS

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AFTER BEING DEPRIVED OF SPORTS.

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>> Allison: WHEN HE HAD SOCCER,

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HE HAD THAT SENSE OF JOY IN

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HIMSELF, AND THE SENSE OF

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CONFIDENCE.

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AND HE'S LOST ALL THAT.

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>> RUNNING IS RARELY LISTED

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AMONG THE WORLD'S MORE EXTREME

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SPORTS.

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BUT EVERY YEAR IN TENNESSEE A

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MAN NAMED LAZARUS LAKE STAGES A

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RUNNING EVENT THAT IS SO

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EXTREME, SO DEMANDING, AND SO

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PAINFUL, THAT OVER THE PAST 35

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YEARS ONLY 15 PEOPLE HAVE EVEN

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MANAGED TO FINISH HIS RACE.

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>> Mary: WHEN A RUNNER'S GOTTA

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QUIT THE RACE, YOU REALLY DO

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PLAY TAPS FOR THEM?

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>> Lazarus: WELL, YEAH, THEY

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DIDN'T MAKE IT.

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>> TO HEAR ITS PROPONENTS TELL

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IT, BACK COUNTRY SKIING IS ONE

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OF THE GREAT THRILLS OF THE

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GREAT OUTDOORS.

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BUT THE COMBINATION OF TWO

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FORCES, THE COVID CRISIS AND

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CLIMATE CHANGE, HAVE COMBINED TO

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MAKE THE SPORT MORE DEADLY THAN

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IT'S EVER BEEN.

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>> GO!

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>> AVALANCHE!

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>> Kyle: I WAS JUST IN A RIVER

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OF MOVING SNOW, AND IT WAS

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MOVING REALLY FAST.

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THAT WAS, TO ME, CERTAIN DEATH.

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>> Announcer: AND NOW, YOUR

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BRYANT GUMBEL.

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>> Bryant: GOOD EVENING, AND

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WELCOME TO "REAL SPORTS," WHERE

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THE MONTH OF APRIL IS, FOR US,

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TRADITIONALLY HEADLINED BY THE

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THE MASTERS AND THE BOSTON

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MARATHON.

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THE FIRST TWO WENT OFF OK, BUT

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THE 125th RUNNING OF THE BOSTON

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ONCE AGAIN CANCELED BY THE

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PANDEMIC, LEAVING ALL CONCERNED

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YEARNING FOR BETTER DAYS THAT

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ARRIVAL OF THOSE DAYS, THE MAN

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WHO HAS LONG BEEN IN CHARGE OF

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THE MARATHON, DAVE MCGILLIVRAY

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HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON A DIFFERENT

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KIND OF FINISHING LINE OF LATE.

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SKILLS TO WORK BY HELPING TO GET

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IT'S JUST THE LATEST OF MANY

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ACHIEVEMENTS FOR A MAN WHO

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LIKENS HIMSELF TO FORREST GUMP.

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OUR ANDREA KREMER EXPLAINS.

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>> FOR SHEER LOGISTICAL

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ON EARTH CAN COMPARE WITH THE

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ANNUAL BOSTON MARATHON.

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WHICH INVOLVES 30,000

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COMPETITORS, A SMALL ARMY OF

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SUPPORT STAFF, AND A PLAYING

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FIELD SPREAD OUT ACROSS EIGHT

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>> Dave: THIS ISN'T A SIMPLE

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BEACH VOLLEYBALL EVENT WHERE

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IT'S CONTAINED, WHERE YOU CAN GO

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LIKE THIS AND SEE IT ALL.

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2 MILES.

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500,000 TO A MILLION SPECTATORS.

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ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN.

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>> SIDE OF THE ROAD.

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>> AS THE MARATHON'S LONGTIME

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RACE DIRECTOR, DAVE MCGILLIVRAY

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ALWAYS PRIDED HIMSELF ON BEING

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PREPARED FOR ANYTHING.

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>> Dave: I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT

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THIS INDUSTRY IS BULLETPROOF.

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AND THEN THIS PANDEMIC CAME

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ALONG AND PROVED ME WRONG.

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>> SUDDENLY MCGILLIVRAY AND HIS

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TEAM, WHO ORGANIZE DOZENS OF

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RACES A YEAR, WERE OUT OF A JOB,

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AND THEY HAD TO THINK ABOUT HOW

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ELSE THEY COULD USE THEIR

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>> Dave: WE KNOW HOW TO MOVE

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BUT WE CAN MOVE THEM IN OTHER

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WAYS TOO.

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>> SO HOW MANY STATIONS WOULD

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>> I THINK WE'RE RUNNING 52.

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>> OVER ON THIS SIDE.

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>> SO HE MOVED HIS "PEOPLE

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MOVING SKILLS" TO ANOTHER KIND

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OF MASS EVENT, THE RACE TO GET

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THE PEOPLE OF MASSACHUSETTS

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VACCINATED FOR THE CORONAVIRUS.

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>> AND THIS IS HIS NEW

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RACECOURSE, GILLETTE STADIUM,

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NORMALLY HOME TO THE NFL'S NEW

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ENGLAND PATRIOTS, BUT NOW A

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MAKESHIFT CLINIC WHERE 7,000

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>> AND YOU'RE VACCINATED.

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>> ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

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>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

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>> Dave: DOING THIS IS JUST LIKE

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DOING A MARATHON.

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ONCE THE BELL RINGS, AND WE'RE

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READY TO OPEN, THEY'RE DIRECTED

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OVER TO HERE AND THEN TO THE

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THEN WE HAVE RUNNERS AND THEY

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REFILL THE STATIONS.

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THE PACE IS RELENTLESS.

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>> HOW ARE YOU?

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I'M EILEEN.

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>> MCGILLIVRAY AND HIS TEAM CAN

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>> Linda: THIS IS A REALLY

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IT'S WELL MARKED.

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>> Andrea: I DON'T KNOW IF YOU

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BUT THE MAN WHO'S RUNNING ALL

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THE LOGISTICS IS THE SAME MAN

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WHO RUNS THE BOSTON MARATHON.

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>> Linda: GET OUT.

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>> Andrea: NO.

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>> Linda: REALLY?

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>> Andrea: DAVE MCGILLIVRAY.

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>> Linda: OH, I KNOW HIS NAME.

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HE'S AWESOME.

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GOOD GUY TO PICK, HUH?

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GUY LIKE MCGILLIVRAY IN THE

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MIDDLE OF MASSACHUSETTS' EFFORT

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TO VACCINATE THE STATE, YOU

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SHOULDN'T BE, BECAUSE IN MANY

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WAYS, HE IS BOSTON'S REAL-LIFE

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FORREST GUMP.

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THE ICONIC MOVIE CHARACTER WHO

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ALWAYS SEEMED TO SHOW UP AT

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IMPORTANT MOMENTS AND SOMEHOW

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CHANGED THE WORLD.

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>> FORREST GUMP!

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>> Dave: PEOPLE CALL ME FORREST

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ALL THE TIME.

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>> MY MAMA ALWAYS SAID LIFE WAS

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LIKE A BOX OF CHOCOLATES.

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>> Dave: I HAVE THE ACTUAL BOX

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OF CHOCOLATES THAT WAS IN THE

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MOVIE.

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>> Andrea: THE ACTUAL BOX?

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>> Dave: YEAH.

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>> Andrea: HOW DID YOU GET THE

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BOX?

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>> Dave: IN AN AUCTION.

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I BID ON IT IN AN AUCTION.

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>> MCGILLIVRAY SAYS HE RELATES

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TO THE CHARACTER.

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>> RUN FORREST, RUN AWAY.

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>> JUST AS FORREST WAS ONCE A

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LITTLE BOY WHO COULDN'T QUITE

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MEASURE UP, SO WAS DAVE.

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>> Dave: I WAS THE SMALLEST KID

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IN THE PLAYGROUND.

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I WAS INEVITABLY THE LAST ONE

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PICKED.

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I PUT A SIGN OVER MY BED.

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AND THE SIGN READ, "PLEASE GOD,

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MAKE ME GROW."

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SON OF A GUN.

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ANSWERING SOMEONE ELSE'S PRAYER

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AT THE TIME BECAUSE HE CERTAINLY

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DIDN'T MAKE ME GROW.

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>> MCGILLIVRAY WOULD TOP OUT AT

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387 INCHES, OR SO HE SAYS, WHICH

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WAS CRUSHING FOR A BOSTON SPORTS

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FANATIC WITH A VERY SPECIFIC

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DREAM.

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>> Dave: I WANTED TO BE A

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PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE.

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IDEALLY, I WANTED TO PLAY SECOND

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BASE AT FENWAY PARK.

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>> IT WAS NOT TO BE, BUT

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MCGILLIVRAY WAS STILL DETERMINED

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TO MAKE IT ON TO THE FENWAY

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FIELD.

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SO HE HATCHED A PLAN.

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>> Dave: I SAW A SIGN OUT IN

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RIGHT FIELD.

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SIGN SAID, "HELP MAKE A DREAM

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COME TRUE.

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SUPPORT THE JIMMY FUND."

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SO I JUST PICKED UP THE PHONE

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AND CALLED THE JIMMY FUND.

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>> THE JIMMY FUND RAISED MONEY

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TO FIGHT PEDIATRIC CANCER.

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MCGILLIVRAY MADE THEM AN OFFER:

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IF THEY COULD GET HIM ON THAT

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FIELD, IN FRONT OF THE FENWAY

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CROWD, HE'D DO SOMETHING

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REMARKABLE TO BRING AWARENESS TO

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THEIR CAUSE.

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AND SO, 15 YEARS BEFORE FORREST

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GUMP RAN FROM ONE END OF THE

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COUNTRY TO THE OTHER IN THE

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MOVIES, MCGILLIVRAY DID IT IN

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REAL LIFE.

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>> DAVID MCGILLIVRAY WHO IS 24

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YEARS OLD.

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>> HE RAN COAST TO COAST TO

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RAISE MONEY FOR THE JIMMY FUND.

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>> HE BEGAN OUT WEST, AND RAN 50

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MILES EACH DAY, EVERY DAY, UNTIL

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HE ARRIVED BACK IN BOSTON, AND

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HIS ULTIMATE DESTINATION.

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>> A FENWAY PARK GREETING FOR

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DAVE MCGILLIVRAY.

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[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

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>> Dave: I COME OUT AND THE

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CROWD STOOD UP AND SCREAMED SO

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LOUD.

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THE PLAYERS, ALL THE PLAYERS

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THEY COME OUT OF THE DUGOUT AND

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STOOD ON THE STAIRS AND THEY

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WERE CLAPPING AND SCREAMING.

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I KEPT RUNNING AROUND AND AROUND

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'CAUSE I SAID, "I JUST RAN

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ACROSS THE CONTINENT.

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I'M NOT GETTING OFF THIS FIELD

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ANY TIME SOON."

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>> Andrea: YOU COULDN'T BE THE

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SECOND BASEMAN BUT THEY COULD

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STILL STAND FOR YOU AT FENWAY

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PARK.

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>> Dave: TO THIS DAY NOTHING HAS

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EQUALED THAT FEELING.

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>> BUT THE RUN TURNED OUT TO

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HAVE AN EVEN LARGER AND

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LONGER-LASTING IMPACT.

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WITH ALL THE ATTENTION IT

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GAINED, MCGILLIVRAY'S EFFORT

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STARTED A TREND: THE NOW COMMON

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PRACTICE OF RUNNING FOR CHARITY.

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TODAY, THE PRACTICE GENERATES

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OVER A BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR

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FOR NON-PROFITS.

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>> Andrea: DO YOU REALIZE WHAT

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THIS SPAWNED?

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>> Dave: I DIDN'T REALLY PUT

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THAT TOGETHER.

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AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S

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CHANGED THIS ENTIRE INDUSTRY.

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>> MCGILLIVRAY WAS THRILLED BY

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THE ATTENTION HIS RUN RECEIVED,

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AND THE CHALLENGE IT PROVIDED,

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AND WANTED MORE OF BOTH.

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>> SO HE CAME UP WITH NEW FEATS

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TO ACHIEVE.

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HE BIKED NON-STOP FOR 24 HOURS,

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SWAM FOR ANOTHER 24, AND THEN

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RAN FOR 24 MORE, THIS TIME

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FINISHING ALONGSIDE THE HULKING

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MEN OF THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS.

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>> THANK YOU, DAVE MCGILLIVRAY.

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[CHEERS AND APPLAUSE]

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>> Ryan: HE'S NOT REALLY BUILT

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LIKE HULK HOGAN.

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BUT HE COULD PRETTY MUCH DO

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ANYTHING.

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RYAN MCGILLIVRAY IS DAVE

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MCGILLIVRAY'S ELDEST SON AND HAS

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HAD A FRONT ROW SEAT TO IT ALL.

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BUT SAYS THAT ONE EVENT WAS

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ALWAYS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE

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REST.

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>> Ryan: THE BOSTON MARATHON IS

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LIKE, OUR BIGGEST HOLIDAY OF THE

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YEAR.

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THIS IS OUR CHRISTMAS.

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HE EATS, SLEEPS AND BREATHES IT.

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>> Dave: THIS IS THE HOLY GRAIL

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OF MARATHONING THROUGHOUT THE

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WORLD.

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EVERYONE WHO HAS EVER LACED UP A

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PAIR OF SHOES AND WANTED TO RUN

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A MARATHON, WANTS TO RUN THE

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BOSTON MARATHON.

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>> AND LIKE FORREST GUMP, WHO

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SEEMED TO SHOW UP IN EVERY

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CROWD, MCGILLIVRAY HAS SHOWN UP

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EVERY YEAR AT THE BOSTON

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MARATHON WITHOUT FAIL SINCE

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1972, VOWING TO RUN IT FOR THE

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REST OF HIS LIFE WHEN HE WAS

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JUST 18, EVEN RUNNING IT WITH

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BLINDERS ON ONE YEAR.

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EVENTUALLY, THE RACE'S MOST

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DEVOTED RUNNER WAS ASKED TO

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BECOME ITS DIRECTOR, AND IN

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1988, MCGILLIVRAY OVERSAW THE

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MARATHON FOR THE FIRST TIME.

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THE ONLY PROBLEM?

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THAT MEANT HE COULDN'T RUN IN

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IT.

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THEN, AT THE END OF THE NIGHT,

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HE HAD AN IDEA.

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>> Dave: I WENT UP TO A STATE

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TROOPER AND I TAPPED HIM ON THE

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SHOULDER AND I SAID, "OFFICER,

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WILL YOU DO ME A FAVOR?"

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WILL YOU DRIVE ME BACK TO THE

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START?"

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HE SAID, "WHY?

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DID YOU FORGET SOMETHING?"

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I SAID, "YEAH, I FORGOT TO RUN."

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SO HE DROVE ME BACK TO THE

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START, 8:00 AT NIGHT.

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AND I RAN THE WHOLE COURSE BY

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MYSELF, FINISHED A LITTLE AFTER

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11:00 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, DEAD

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LAST.

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AND I'VE RUN IT THAT WAY EVER

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SINCE.

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AND I'VE BEEN THE LAST FINISHER

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OF THE BOSTON MARATHON FOR THE

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LAST 34 YEARS.

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>> BEAUTIFULLY DONE MY LOVE,

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BEAUTIFULLY DONE.

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>> THANK YOU.

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>> BUT WHILE MOST BOSTON

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MARATHONS HAVE HAD A FAIRY TALE

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ENDING FOR THE CITY AND

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MCGILLIVRAY, ONE DID NOT.

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[BOMB EXPLOSION]

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[SCREAMING]

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IN 2013, TWO BOMBS WERE SET OFF

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BY TERRORISTS, ONE JUST FEET

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AWAY FROM THE FINISH LINE, WHERE

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MCGILLIVRAY'S FAMILY WAS WAITING

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FOR HIM.

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>> Dave: I'M GOING UP TO THE

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FINISH LINE TO FIND MY FAMILY.

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AND I GOT STOPPED BY AN OFFICER.

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HE SAYS, "YOU CAN'T GO UP

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THERE."

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AND I SAID, "I HAVE TO.

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I'M THE RACE DIRECTOR.

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HERE'S MY ID."

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AND HE SAID, "IT'S NOT YOUR RACE

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ANYMORE."

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>> WHILE MCGILLIVRAY'S FAMILY

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WOULD COME AWAY UNINJURED, MANY

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OTHERS WEREN'T AS FORTUNATE.

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>> Andrea: THREE PEOPLE DIED,

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260 INJURED.

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ONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO DIED WAS

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AN EIGHT-YEAR-OLD, MARTIN

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RICHARD.

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HOW DO YOU PROCESS THAT?

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>> Dave: IT TOOK A LONG TIME.

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I DEDICATED THE NEXT FIVE YEARS

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OF EVERY EVENT I DID, I WORE A

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"MARTIN RICHARD" SHIRT, AND

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RAISED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF

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DOLLARS FOR THEIR FOUNDATION.

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>> FOR MCGILLIVRAY, IT'S BEEN

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THE SOLUTION TO ALMOST ANY

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PROBLEM: KEEP RUNNING.

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AFTER HE REACHED HIS 60s, AN AGE

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WHEN SOME THOUGHT HE MIGHT SLOW

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DOWN, HE DECIDED TO RUN SEVEN

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MARATHONS, ON SEVEN CONTINENTS,

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IN SEVEN DAYS.

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EVEN AFTER DOCTORS INFORMED HIM

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HE HAD SEVERE HEART DISEASE, HE

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REFUSED TO STOP TRAINING, AND

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GAVE THEM STRICT INSTRUCTIONS.

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>> Dave: I SAID, "ZIP IT UP."

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"WHAT DO YOU MEAN?"

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I SAID, "DON'T TELL ANYONE."

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>> Andrea: YOU THINK THIS IS

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YOUR LITTLE SECRET?

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>> Dave: YEAH.

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I WANTED IT TO BE.

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I WAS EMBARRASSED.

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>> Andrea: YOU WERE EMBARRASSED?

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>> Dave: ABSOLUTELY.

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'CAUSE IT'S A DING IN THE ARMOR.

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>> EVENTUALLY, MCGILLIVRAY WOULD

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BE FORCED TO UNDERGO TRIPLE

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BYPASS SURGERY.

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OF COURSE, JUST SIX MONTHS

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LATER, HE COMPLETED ANOTHER

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BOSTON MARATHON.

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>> GO DAVE!

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WOO!

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>> IN THE END, IT TOOK A

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WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC TO BREAK

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MCGILLIVRAY'S STRIDE.

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LAST APRIL, FOR THE FIRST TIME

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EVER, THE BOSTON MARATHON WAS

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CANCELLED, FOLLOWED BY DOZENS OF

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OTHER RACES, AND SUDDENLY,

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MCGILLIVRAY COULD NEITHER RUN IN

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THEM, NOR OVERSEE THEM.

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WITH HIS BUSINESS ON THE VERGE

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OF COLLAPSE, MCGILLIVRAY GOT A

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PHONE CALL.

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ONE THAT WOULD PUT BOSTON'S

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FORREST GUMP BACK IN THE MIDDLE

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OF ANOTHER HISTORIC MOMENT.

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>> Dave: I GOT PHONE CALL

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SAYING, "HEY, WE'VE BEEN

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COMMISSIONED TO STAND UP SOME

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MASS VACCINATION SITES AND WE

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NEED LOGISTICAL PEOPLE AND

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YOU'VE COME HIGHLY RECOMMENDED,

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ARE YOU INTERESTED?"

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"SIGN ME UP."

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>> AND SOON THE BIGGEST HEALTH

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INITIATIVE IN MASSACHUSETTS

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HISTORY WAS BEING DONE THE DAVE

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MCGILLIVRAY WAY.

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>> Rodrigo: IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON

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IN THE FIRST WEEK WHERE WE WOULD

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COME HERE AND DAVE'S TEAM WOULD

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BE THERE WITH A STOPWATCH.

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AND HE WOULD SAY, "HOLD ON A

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SECOND, I'M MEASURING RIGHT NOW

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EXACTLY THE AMOUNT THAT IT TAKES

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FOR THAT PERSON TO GO THERE, TO

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ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS, AND GET

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VACCINATED."

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>> RODRIGO MARTINEZ IS AN

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EXECUTIVE WITH CIC HEALTH, THE

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COMPANY THAT HIRED MCGILLIVRAY,

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AND SAYS THAT FROM DAY ONE,

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MCGILLIVRAY HAS, LIKE ANY GREAT

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RUNNER, LOOKED FOR WAYS TO PICK

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UP SPEED, AND SHAVE UNWANTED

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SECONDS OFF THE CLOCK.

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>> Rodrigo: IF WE CAN IMPROVE

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THAT BY HALF A MINUTE, WE'RE

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GONNA BE ABLE TO BRING MORE

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PEOPLE THROUGH.

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>> Andrea: THAT HALF A MINUTE

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MEANS THAT MUCH?

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>> Rodrigo: YES.

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BECAUSE IF YOU THINK OVERALL, AT

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THE SCALE, HALF A MINUTE TIMES

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6,000 TIMES, NOW YOU REALIZE

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THAT YOU CAN VACCINATE A COUPLE

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EXTRA HUNDRED PEOPLE.

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FINE TUNING MEANS MORE PEOPLE

525
00:14:56,049 --> 00:14:56,220
WILL GET VACCINATED, WHICH MEANS

526
00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,139
ACTUALLY LESS PEOPLE WILL DIE.

527
00:15:00,159 --> 00:15:01,039
>> MCGILLIVRAY ALSO HELPED SET

528
00:15:01,059 --> 00:15:03,029
UP MASS VACCINATION SITES AT TWO

529
00:15:03,049 --> 00:15:03,200
OTHER LOCATIONS CLOSE TO THE

530
00:15:03,220 --> 00:15:08,029
HEARTS OF BOSTON SPORTS FANS:

531
00:15:08,049 --> 00:15:09,080
FENWAY PARK, AND THE HYNES

532
00:15:09,100 --> 00:15:09,210
CONVENTION CENTER.

533
00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:13,009
THE VERY SPOT WHERE BIB NUMBERS

534
00:15:13,029 --> 00:15:14,009
FOR THE MARATHON ARE USUALLY

535
00:15:14,029 --> 00:15:15,019
HANDED OUT THIS TIME OF YEAR.

536
00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:16,090
>> Dave: IT'S SOMEWHAT SURREAL

537
00:15:16,110 --> 00:15:23,159
THAT INSTEAD OF HANDING OUT BIB

538
00:15:23,179 --> 00:15:24,179
NUMBERS TO 30,000 RUNNERS, WE'RE

539
00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,120
GOING TO BE HELPING TO PUT SHOTS

540
00:15:27,139 --> 00:15:28,169
IN ARMS WITH THE INTENT THAT

541
00:15:28,190 --> 00:15:33,059
WE'LL BE BACK HERE TO RECONVENE

542
00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,070
AND HAND OUT BIB NUMBERS AGAIN.

543
00:15:35,090 --> 00:15:38,009
>> BUT WHILE THE REST OF THE

544
00:15:38,029 --> 00:15:41,259
RUNNERS WILL HAVE TO WAIT TO RUN

545
00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:42,139
THE MARATHON, THAT'S NOT GOOD

546
00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:42,289
ENOUGH FOR MCGILLIVRAY.

547
00:15:43,009 --> 00:15:46,139
LAST YEAR, WITH A NEARLY

548
00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:47,019
50-YEAR-STREAK ON THE LINE, HE

549
00:15:47,039 --> 00:15:47,200
RAN THE ENTIRE COURSE, ALL BY

550
00:15:47,220 --> 00:15:48,210
HIMSELF.

551
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:49,139
AND THIS YEAR, HE'LL DO IT

552
00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:51,129
AGAIN.

553
00:15:51,149 --> 00:15:52,110
>> Andrea: WHY?

554
00:15:52,129 --> 00:15:55,190
>> Dave: 'CAUSE I COMMITTED.

555
00:15:55,210 --> 00:15:56,169
I DO WHAT I SAY I'M GONNA DO.

556
00:15:56,190 --> 00:15:57,049
>> Andrea: AT SOME POINT, YOU

557
00:15:57,070 --> 00:15:57,220
MAY NOT BE ABLE TO RUN THE

558
00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,129
BOSTON MARATHON.

559
00:15:59,149 --> 00:16:00,279
>> Dave: WHO SAYS?

560
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,019
>> Andrea: DO YOU THINK YOU'RE

561
00:16:02,039 --> 00:16:03,080
GONNA RUN THE BOSTON MARATHON

562
00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,110
FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE?

563
00:16:05,129 --> 00:16:07,200
>> Dave: THAT'S THE PLAN.

564
00:16:07,220 --> 00:16:10,110
YOU KNOW, LIFE IS LIKE A BOX OF

565
00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:11,059
CHOCOLATES.

566
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:11,250
YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA

567
00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:17,080
GET, I GUESS.

568
00:16:17,100 --> 00:16:18,110
>> Bryant: AND ANDREA KRAMER IS

569
00:16:18,129 --> 00:16:20,009
WELCOMING SPRING UP IN NEW

570
00:16:20,029 --> 00:16:20,289
ENGLAND.

571
00:16:21,009 --> 00:16:21,149
HEY, ANDREA.

572
00:16:21,169 --> 00:16:22,039
>> Andrea: HOW ARE YOU, BRYANT?

573
00:16:22,059 --> 00:16:22,230
HOW ARE YOU AND HILLARY DOING?

574
00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:23,149
>> Bryant: EXCELLENT, THANK YOU.

575
00:16:23,169 --> 00:16:24,240
HEY, CAN WE ASSUME THAT

576
00:16:24,259 --> 00:16:25,259
MCGILLIVRAY AND HIS PEOPLE ARE

577
00:16:25,279 --> 00:16:26,110
BEING COMPENSATED FOR WHAT

578
00:16:26,129 --> 00:16:27,120
THEY'RE DOING?

579
00:16:27,139 --> 00:16:27,289
>> Andrea: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

580
00:16:28,009 --> 00:16:30,070
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

581
00:16:30,090 --> 00:16:31,129
LOOK, HIS BUSINESS WAS ALMOST

582
00:16:31,149 --> 00:16:32,279
SHUTTERED DURING THE PANDEMIC.

583
00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:33,200
THEY WERE DOING OUTDOOR

584
00:16:33,220 --> 00:16:38,000
GRADUATIONS, ANYTHING TO USE

585
00:16:38,019 --> 00:16:38,149
THEIR EQUIPMENT.

586
00:16:38,169 --> 00:16:39,039
EVERYTHING CHANGED ON CHRISTMAS

587
00:16:39,059 --> 00:16:39,230
EVE WHEN HE GOT THE CALL TO HELP

588
00:16:39,250 --> 00:16:41,200
BE THE "LOGISTICIANS" FOR THE

589
00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:42,179
VACCINATION ROLLOUT IN

590
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,240
MASSACHUSETTS.

591
00:16:46,259 --> 00:16:47,149
>> Bryant: MAYBE I RECOGNIZE IT

592
00:16:47,169 --> 00:16:48,039
EASILY BECAUSE I AM ONE, BUT HE

593
00:16:48,059 --> 00:16:48,220
SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY OBSESSIVE

594
00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,090
GUY.

595
00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:50,029
>> Andrea: HE'D BE THE FIRST

596
00:16:50,049 --> 00:16:52,289
PERSON TO TELL YOU THAT.

597
00:16:53,009 --> 00:16:56,240
LOOK, HE'S STILL THE LITTLE KID

598
00:16:56,259 --> 00:16:58,029
WHO WAS THE LAST ONE PICKED, THE

599
00:16:58,049 --> 00:17:01,269
FIRST ONE CUT, AND THAT

600
00:17:01,289 --> 00:17:03,000
RESONATES FOR HIM, IT GIVES HIM

601
00:17:03,019 --> 00:17:03,149
A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER.

602
00:17:03,169 --> 00:17:04,029
BUT, FOR EXAMPLE THE OBSESSION

603
00:17:04,049 --> 00:17:05,210
ABOUT RUNNING THE BOSTON

604
00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:07,109
MARATHON, THAT'S BECAUSE THE

605
00:17:07,130 --> 00:17:07,289
FIRST ONE HE EVER RAN IN 1972,

606
00:17:08,009 --> 00:17:10,039
IS THE ONLY ONE HE NEVER

607
00:17:10,059 --> 00:17:10,289
FINISHED.

608
00:17:11,009 --> 00:17:14,049
17 YEARS OLD, RAN IT ON A WHIM,

609
00:17:14,069 --> 00:17:17,140
ENDED UP IN THE HOSPITAL.

610
00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,039
HE HAS RUN IT EVERY YEAR SINCE,

611
00:17:18,059 --> 00:17:18,170
48th TIME THIS YEAR.

612
00:17:18,190 --> 00:17:19,099
>> Bryant: SPEAKING OF HOSPITAL,

613
00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:19,220
HOW'S HIS HEALTH?

614
00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,009
IS HE OKAY?

615
00:17:20,029 --> 00:17:21,019
>> Andrea: HE'S OKAY.

616
00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:22,269
THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS WHERE HE

617
00:17:22,289 --> 00:17:23,119
GOT CUT OPEN DURING THE

618
00:17:23,140 --> 00:17:26,009
TRIPLE-BYPASS, THE MUSCLES,

619
00:17:26,029 --> 00:17:26,180
THERE'S STILL ISSUES THERE.

620
00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:31,109
BUT LOOK, HIS FAMILY HAS A

621
00:17:31,130 --> 00:17:32,039
HISTORY OF CORONARY ARTERY

622
00:17:32,059 --> 00:17:32,230
DISEASE, SO HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT

623
00:17:32,250 --> 00:17:33,099
HE'S UP AGAINST, HEALTH-WISE.

624
00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,250
>> Bryant: AND WE SHOULD NOTE,

625
00:17:34,269 --> 00:17:39,089
THAT IF MASSACHUSETTS

626
00:17:39,109 --> 00:17:40,009
SUCCESSFULLY REOPENS THIS YEAR,

627
00:17:40,029 --> 00:17:40,160
THEY'RE GOING TO RUN THE

628
00:17:40,180 --> 00:17:41,230
MARATHON -- IT'S SCHEDULED,

629
00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:42,079
ANYWAY-FOR OCTOBER 11th.

630
00:17:42,099 --> 00:17:42,269
ALRIGHT ANDREA, THANKS SO VERY

631
00:17:42,289 --> 00:17:43,029
MUCH.

632
00:17:43,049 --> 00:17:43,170
TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.

633
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:44,039
>> Andrea: YOU TOO, BRYANT,

634
00:17:44,059 --> 00:17:44,160
GREAT TO SEE YOU.

635
00:17:44,180 --> 00:17:47,190
>> Bryant: LET'S MOVE ON.

636
00:17:47,210 --> 00:17:48,259
TWO MONTHS AGO, WE REPORTED ON

637
00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:49,190
HOW THE CONTINUED PURSUIT OF

638
00:17:49,210 --> 00:17:55,259
YOUTH SPORTS BY ATHLETIC CAMPS

639
00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:56,150
AND NATIONAL TEAMS HAD SEEMINGLY

640
00:17:56,170 --> 00:17:57,119
COMPLICATED EFFORTS TO COMBAT

641
00:17:57,140 --> 00:18:00,269
THE VIRUS AND LIMIT ITS SPREAD.

642
00:18:00,289 --> 00:18:01,150
SUCH EFFORTS WERE, MANY OF US

643
00:18:01,170 --> 00:18:01,289
FELT, BOTH SELFISH AND

644
00:18:02,009 --> 00:18:02,230
SHORT-SIGHTED.

645
00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:05,059
BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT IS NOT

646
00:18:05,079 --> 00:18:07,289
WITHOUT ITS PROBLEMS.

647
00:18:08,009 --> 00:18:08,180
IT SEEMS THAT SIDELINING YOUNG

648
00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,049
ATHLETES, KEEPING THEM FROM

649
00:18:09,069 --> 00:18:10,160
PARTICIPATING IN THE SPORTS THEY

650
00:18:10,180 --> 00:18:12,039
LOVE, EVEN FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY,

651
00:18:12,059 --> 00:18:13,119
HAS ENGENDERED A VERY DIFFERENT

652
00:18:13,140 --> 00:18:17,099
KIND OF HEALTH CRISIS.

653
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,150
A MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS THAT

654
00:18:18,170 --> 00:18:19,069
EXPERTS FEAR MAY HAVE LONG RANGE

655
00:18:19,089 --> 00:18:20,170
REPERCUSSIONS.

656
00:18:20,190 --> 00:18:21,130
KAVITHA DAVIDSON HAS THAT

657
00:18:21,150 --> 00:18:27,180
REPORT.

658
00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,049
>> YEAH!

659
00:18:28,069 --> 00:18:29,119
GOOD JOB ALEK!

660
00:18:29,140 --> 00:18:30,119
>> PICK A SPORT, ANY SPORT, AND

661
00:18:30,140 --> 00:18:31,250
CHANCES ARE SOMEONE FROM THE ELO

662
00:18:31,269 --> 00:18:34,279
FAMILY PLAYS IT.

663
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:35,150
>> C'MON ELI!

664
00:18:35,170 --> 00:18:36,000
GO ELI!

665
00:18:36,019 --> 00:18:40,240
GO ELI!

666
00:18:40,259 --> 00:18:41,099
>> FOR THESE SIX KIDS IN

667
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:41,289
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, IT'S BEEN

668
00:18:42,009 --> 00:18:44,049
FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, SOCCER,

669
00:18:44,069 --> 00:18:44,230
VOLLEYBALL, EVEN BMX, THAT'VE

670
00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:45,289
PACKED THEIR SCHEDULES FOR AS

671
00:18:46,009 --> 00:18:52,000
LONG AS THEY CAN REMEMBER.

672
00:18:52,019 --> 00:18:56,029
BUT AFTER COVID HIT, THE ELO

673
00:18:56,049 --> 00:18:57,000
FAMILY'S BUSY SCHEDULE

674
00:18:57,019 --> 00:18:57,250
EVAPORATED, AND THIS BECAME A

675
00:18:57,269 --> 00:19:00,140
TYPICAL DAY FOR THE KIDS.

676
00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,140
>> Kavitha: MARCH OF LAST YEAR.

677
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,019
THE WORLD SHUTS DOWN, SPORTS

678
00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:08,150
SHUT DOWN.

679
00:19:08,170 --> 00:19:09,170
HOW DID YOUR KIDS REACT TO THAT?

680
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:15,029
>> Allison: THE LACK OF PHYSICAL

681
00:19:15,049 --> 00:19:15,240
ACTIVITY, THE LACK OF THE TEAM,

682
00:19:15,259 --> 00:19:16,200
THE LACK OF THAT COMPETITIVE

683
00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:18,079
SPIRIT, THE KIDS HAVE NO OUTLET.

684
00:19:18,099 --> 00:19:20,000
>> ALLISON ELO IS THEIR MOTHER.

685
00:19:20,019 --> 00:19:21,289
>> Allison: THE DEMOTIVATION,

686
00:19:22,009 --> 00:19:24,039
THE LACK OF ANY KIND OF

687
00:19:24,059 --> 00:19:24,220
ENTHUSIASM FOR ANYTHING.

688
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,099
THERE'S A VOID THAT HAS TO BE

689
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:31,160
FILLED.

690
00:19:31,180 --> 00:19:32,230
>> Kavitha: WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN

691
00:19:32,250 --> 00:19:33,250
DOING WITHOUT SOCCER IN THE LAST

692
00:19:33,269 --> 00:19:36,210
YEAR?

693
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:38,059
>> Kolby: MOSTLY JUST PLAYING

694
00:19:38,079 --> 00:19:38,240
VIDEO GAMES AND STAYING IN MY

695
00:19:38,259 --> 00:19:39,059
ROOM ON MY PHONE.

696
00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:39,220
>> WHILE ALL THE ELO KIDS

697
00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,170
STRUGGLED WITHOUT SPORTS THIS

698
00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:45,029
PAST YEAR, THE LOSS WAS

699
00:19:45,049 --> 00:19:45,220
ESPECIALLY TOUGH FOR 12-YEAR-OLD

700
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,089
KOLBY, WHO TURNED TO MORE THAN

701
00:19:46,109 --> 00:19:47,000
JUST VIDEO GAMES TO FILL THE NEW

702
00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:49,059
VOID IN HIS LIFE.

703
00:19:49,079 --> 00:19:54,019
SOMETHING HIS MOTHER DISCOVERED

704
00:19:54,039 --> 00:19:55,089
WHEN SHE OPENED THE LIQUOR

705
00:19:55,109 --> 00:19:55,210
CABINET ONE DAY,

706
00:19:55,230 --> 00:19:56,089
>> Allison: THERE WAS BARELY

707
00:19:56,109 --> 00:19:56,190
ANYTHING LEFT.

708
00:19:56,210 --> 00:19:57,069
I THINK THERE WAS A TOTAL OF

709
00:19:57,089 --> 00:19:57,250
FIVE OR SIX BOTTLES THAT WERE

710
00:19:57,269 --> 00:19:59,210
COMPLETELY GONE.

711
00:19:59,230 --> 00:20:04,059
>> Kolby: IT FELT GOOD IN THE

712
00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:06,230
MOMENT WHEN I WAS DOING IT.

713
00:20:06,250 --> 00:20:07,059
LIKE, DRINKING.

714
00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:07,240
BUT I JUST FELT SO MUCH SHAME

715
00:20:07,259 --> 00:20:10,160
AND GUILT.

716
00:20:10,180 --> 00:20:13,170
>> Allison: HE STARTED TALKING

717
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:14,269
TO ME THAT HE WAS GONNA LEAVE

718
00:20:14,289 --> 00:20:20,130
AND HE WAS GONNA SAY GOODBYE TO

719
00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:20,240
EVERYTHING.

720
00:20:20,259 --> 00:20:23,190
SO I KNEW WHAT THAT MEANT.

721
00:20:23,210 --> 00:20:24,089
HE SAID HE HAD NOTHING LEFT.

722
00:20:24,109 --> 00:20:25,049
>> Kavitha: HE WANTED TO TAKE

723
00:20:25,069 --> 00:20:29,109
HIS OWN LIFE?

724
00:20:29,130 --> 00:20:30,029
>> Allison: YEAH.

725
00:20:30,049 --> 00:20:30,289
AND HE SAID HE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT

726
00:20:31,009 --> 00:20:31,039
IT.

727
00:20:31,059 --> 00:20:31,230
AND THOUGHT ABOUT SLASHING HIS

728
00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:33,160
WRISTS.

729
00:20:33,180 --> 00:20:36,119
>> ALLISON RUSHED KOLBY TO THE

730
00:20:36,140 --> 00:20:37,019
EMERGENCY ROOM, THEN QUICKLY GOT

731
00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:39,099
HIM INTO COUNSELING.

732
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,279
>> Kavitha: DO YOU MAKE DIRECT

733
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,269
CONNECTIONS BETWEEN KOLBY'S

734
00:20:45,289 --> 00:20:48,170
STRUGGLES IN THE LAST YEAR AND

735
00:20:48,190 --> 00:20:49,250
NOT BEING ABLE TO PLAY SOCCER?

736
00:20:49,269 --> 00:20:50,140
>> Allison: ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.

737
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,000
WHEN HE HAD SOCCER, HE HAD THAT

738
00:20:53,019 --> 00:20:53,279
SENSE OF PURPOSE, BUT MORE SO,

739
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,089
THE SENSE OF JOY IN HIMSELF, AND

740
00:20:57,109 --> 00:20:59,109
THE SENSE OF CONFIDENCE.

741
00:20:59,130 --> 00:21:02,230
AND HE'S LOST ALL THAT.

742
00:21:02,250 --> 00:21:04,240
>> AS ALONE AS KOLBY HAS FELT,

743
00:21:04,259 --> 00:21:07,200
HIS PAINFUL STORY IS JUST ONE OF

744
00:21:07,220 --> 00:21:10,170
MANY FROM THIS PAST YEAR, WHICH

745
00:21:10,190 --> 00:21:12,049
HAS BEEN AN ALARMING DEVELOPMENT

746
00:21:12,069 --> 00:21:13,130
FOR MENTAL HEALTH EXPERTS ACROSS

747
00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:15,279
THE COUNTRY.

748
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,180
EXPERTS LIKE SPORTS PSYCHIATRIST

749
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,009
DR. CLAUDIA REARDON.

750
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:17,170
>> Dr. Reardon: WHEN THE

751
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:18,049
PANDEMIC HIT, IT WAS AS IF WE

752
00:21:18,069 --> 00:21:18,250
WERE WATCHING THE WHOLE NATION'S

753
00:21:18,269 --> 00:21:19,089
CHILDREN HAVING THEIR

754
00:21:19,109 --> 00:21:19,250
ANTIDEPRESSANT TAKEN AWAY.

755
00:21:19,269 --> 00:21:20,099
HAVING THEIR ANTIANXIETY

756
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,029
MEDICATION TAKEN AWAY.

757
00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:22,000
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT EXERCISE

758
00:21:22,019 --> 00:21:23,029
AND SPORT IS FOR SO MANY PEOPLE.

759
00:21:23,049 --> 00:21:27,089
>> REARDON AND HER COLLEAGUES AT

760
00:21:27,109 --> 00:21:27,289
THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN HAVE

761
00:21:28,009 --> 00:21:30,119
BEEN STUDYING THE MENTAL HEALTH

762
00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:31,009
OF ADOLESCENT ATHLETES SINCE THE

763
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:34,170
PANDEMIC BEGAN.

764
00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:35,059
AND THEIR RESEARCH REVEALED THAT

765
00:21:35,079 --> 00:21:35,250
AFTER SPORTS SHUT DOWN,

766
00:21:35,269 --> 00:21:37,130
DEPRESSION AMONG YOUNG ATHLETES

767
00:21:37,150 --> 00:21:38,210
SHOT UP NEARLY 40% FROM

768
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:40,259
PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS.

769
00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,170
TAKING SPORTS AWAY FROM KIDS,

770
00:21:42,190 --> 00:21:44,240
REARDON SAYS, MEANS TAKING AWAY

771
00:21:44,259 --> 00:21:48,059
A WHOLE LOT MORE.

772
00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:48,220
>> Dr. Reardon: THERE IS

773
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,109
SOMETHING UNIQUE ABOUT SPORTS

774
00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:51,210
FOR A SIGNIFICANT PROPORTION OF

775
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:56,220
KIDS.

776
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,180
THAT PHYSICAL ACTIVITY THAT IS

777
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,099
SO GOOD FOR MIND AND THE REST OF

778
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,019
BODY WITH SOCIAL CAMARADERIE,

779
00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:05,170
WITH AN EXTRA SET OF ADULTS TO

780
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:10,210
KEEP AN EYE ON THE KIDS TO MAKE

781
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:11,119
SURE THEY'RE DOING OKAY, IT'S

782
00:22:11,140 --> 00:22:12,200
KIND OF AN EFFICIENT WAY TO

783
00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:15,190
OPTIMIZE KIDS' MENTAL HEALTH.

784
00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:16,069
>> Kavitha: IT'S A ONE-STOP

785
00:22:16,089 --> 00:22:16,230
SHOP?

786
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:18,059
>> Dr. Reardon: EXACTLY, YES.

787
00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:23,000
AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IT'S

788
00:22:23,019 --> 00:22:24,119
A REALLY BIG CHANGE FOR

789
00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:24,289
ATHLETES, ESPECIALLY IF THAT

790
00:22:25,009 --> 00:22:25,180
ATHLETIC IDENTITY HAS BEEN A BIG

791
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,180
PART OF THEIR LIFE.

792
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,180
THAT HAS REALLY BECOME, YOU

793
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,049
KNOW, HOW THEY SEE THEMSELVES,

794
00:22:33,069 --> 00:22:33,210
HOW THEY GARNER A SENSE OF

795
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:34,109
FULFILLMENT AND MEANING IN THEIR

796
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:34,170
LIFE.

797
00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:36,000
AND THEN YOU TAKE THAT AWAY?

798
00:22:36,019 --> 00:22:37,119
THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

799
00:22:37,140 --> 00:22:40,059
>> TO TRY AND SEE HOW MUCH

800
00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:42,130
SPORTS TRULY CONTRIBUTE TO THE

801
00:22:42,150 --> 00:22:43,160
MENTAL HEALTH OF YOUNG ATHLETES,

802
00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:45,160
REARDON'S TEAM CONDUCTED ANOTHER

803
00:22:45,180 --> 00:22:50,099
STUDY LAST FALL.

804
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,049
THEY COMPARED KIDS WHO WERE ABLE

805
00:22:51,069 --> 00:22:51,230
TO PLAY SPORTS WITH THOSE WHO

806
00:22:51,250 --> 00:22:52,089
COULD NOT, CONTROLLING FOR

807
00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:55,259
WHETHER OR NOT THEY ALSO

808
00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:57,069
RETURNED TO IN-PERSON CLASSES.

809
00:22:57,089 --> 00:23:01,079
TURNS OUT, GOING BACK TO SCHOOL

810
00:23:01,099 --> 00:23:01,279
HAD LITTLE EFFECT, UNLESS SPORTS

811
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,049
CAME WITH IT.

812
00:23:03,069 --> 00:23:06,259
>> Dr. Reardon: WHAT WE FOUND IS

813
00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:07,150
THOSE ATHLETES WHO WERE ABLE TO

814
00:23:07,170 --> 00:23:07,289
GO BACK TO SPORT DOING

815
00:23:08,009 --> 00:23:09,279
SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER.

816
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,119
WAY LOWER RATES OF DEPRESSION,

817
00:23:11,140 --> 00:23:16,170
ANXIETY, HIGHER QUALITY OF LIFE.

818
00:23:16,190 --> 00:23:17,049
AND SCHOOL DIDN'T EXPLAIN IT.

819
00:23:17,069 --> 00:23:18,059
THOSE FINDINGS REMAINED STRONG

820
00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:19,059
AFTER CONTROLLING FOR THAT

821
00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:21,019
ISSUE.

822
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,200
>> Kavitha: SO THE FACTOR, THE

823
00:23:22,220 --> 00:23:24,059
GAME CHANGER HERE WASN'T

824
00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:27,029
IN-PERSON SCHOOL, IT WAS SPORTS?

825
00:23:27,049 --> 00:23:27,220
>> Dr. Reardon: IT WAS A SPORT

826
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,009
ISSUE.

827
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:30,029
>> AND AS WITH MANY ISSUES

828
00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:32,109
ACROSS SOCIETY, THE IMPACT HAS

829
00:23:32,130 --> 00:23:33,220
BEEN FELT THE HARDEST BY THOSE

830
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,160
WHO HAVE THE LEAST.

831
00:23:36,180 --> 00:23:43,259
CHILDREN IN LOWER-INCOME

832
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:44,170
COMMUNITIES HAVE SEEN THEIR

833
00:23:44,190 --> 00:23:45,140
OPPORTUNITIES TO PLAY DRY UP

834
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,019
MORE QUICKLY, AND ARE FEELING

835
00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:46,210
THE LOSS OF WHAT THEY SAY THEY

836
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:47,089
NEED TO STAY HEALTHY IN BOTH

837
00:23:47,109 --> 00:23:47,230
BODY AND MIND.

838
00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:49,019
>> Brucionna: WHEN I FEEL LIKE

839
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:50,029
I'M GOING THROUGH STUFF

840
00:23:50,049 --> 00:23:51,250
PERSONALLY, BASKETBALL GETS MY

841
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:52,269
MIND OFF OF EVERYTHING.

842
00:23:52,289 --> 00:23:53,140
>> Kavitha: WHAT DO YOU NEED

843
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,049
FROM BASKETBALL?

844
00:23:56,069 --> 00:23:56,200
>> Brucionna: I NEED THE

845
00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:57,140
COMPETITIVENESS.

846
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,180
I NEED THE MOTIVATION.

847
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,220
I NEED -- I NEED EVERYTHING.

848
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,210
>> BRUCIONNA COOK AND SKY EBRON

849
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:03,079
ARE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IN

850
00:24:03,099 --> 00:24:04,200
WASHINGTON DC.

851
00:24:04,220 --> 00:24:09,000
WHEN THE PANDEMIC BEGAN LAST

852
00:24:09,019 --> 00:24:09,180
YEAR, THEIR SCHOOL SHUT DOWN,

853
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,289
AND SO DID THE BASKETBALL TEAM.

854
00:24:11,009 --> 00:24:14,190
THEN, AFTER THEY TRIED TO PLAY

855
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:14,230
'S

856
00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:16,269
OUTDOORS AT LOCAL PARKS, THOSE

857
00:24:16,289 --> 00:24:17,230
CLOSED DOWN TOO.

858
00:24:17,250 --> 00:24:18,089
>> Sky: THE COURTS STARTED

859
00:24:18,109 --> 00:24:19,039
FILLING UP.

860
00:24:19,059 --> 00:24:21,009
SO THEY TOOK AWAY THE RIMS TO

861
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:23,180
SAY THAT, "HEY, SOCIAL

862
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,089
DISTANCE."

863
00:24:26,109 --> 00:24:26,259
>> Kavitha: THEY REMOVED THE

864
00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:27,109
RIMS FROM THE BACKBOARD.

865
00:24:27,130 --> 00:24:27,210
>> Sky: YES.

866
00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:28,099
THERE WAS NO COURT IN D.C. WITH

867
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,049
THE RIM ON.

868
00:24:32,069 --> 00:24:33,240
>> Kavitha: WHEN YOU SAW THERE'S

869
00:24:33,259 --> 00:24:35,140
NO RIM, THERE'S NO NET ON THAT

870
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,029
BACKBOARD, WHAT'S GOING THROUGH

871
00:24:36,049 --> 00:24:36,109
YOUR MIND?

872
00:24:36,130 --> 00:24:36,279
>> Brucionna: I WAS SHOCKED.

873
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:37,170
I WAS LIKE, "THEY'RE NOT MAKING

874
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:38,039
IT ANY BETTER BY TAKING AWAY

875
00:24:38,059 --> 00:24:40,289
SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE LOVE."

876
00:24:41,009 --> 00:24:41,170
>> IN A CITY GOVERNED BY TIGHT

877
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:42,170
COVID RESTRICTIONS, THE GIRLS

878
00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:44,230
WERE DESPERATE FOR SOMETHING TO

879
00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:45,279
GIVE.

880
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,240
>> Sky: AT ONE POINT I CRIED TO

881
00:24:48,259 --> 00:24:50,109
MY MOM, LIKE, CRIED.

882
00:24:50,130 --> 00:24:50,289
I WAS LIKE, "MAN, CAN WE MOVE

883
00:24:51,009 --> 00:24:51,190
SOMEWHERE, LIKE, CAN WE MOVE TO

884
00:24:51,210 --> 00:24:52,220
TEXAS?"

885
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,200
>> Kavitha: YOU WANTED TO MOVE?

886
00:24:53,220 --> 00:24:54,259
>> Sky: YES.

887
00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:58,049
BECAUSE I WANTED TO PLAY SO BAD.

888
00:24:58,069 --> 00:24:58,259
>> Kavitha: WITHOUT HAVING

889
00:24:58,279 --> 00:24:59,150
BASKETBALL, WHAT DID YOU DO WITH

890
00:24:59,170 --> 00:25:01,000
YOUR TIME?

891
00:25:01,019 --> 00:25:01,240
>> Brucionna: LIKE, AFTER SCHOOL

892
00:25:01,259 --> 00:25:02,289
I'D GO RIGHT TO SLEEP.

893
00:25:03,009 --> 00:25:06,009
I STAY IN MY ROOM ALL DAY.

894
00:25:06,029 --> 00:25:07,039
MY SISTER THOUGHT I WAS

895
00:25:07,059 --> 00:25:08,019
DEPRESSED.

896
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:08,160
AND I'M LIKE, "I'M NOT

897
00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:10,039
DEPRESSED."

898
00:25:10,059 --> 00:25:10,240
SO THEN WHEN I KEPT DOING IT, IT

899
00:25:10,259 --> 00:25:11,099
MADE ME WORRIED THAT I WAS

900
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:12,099
DEPRESSED.

901
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,059
>> Kavitha: WHAT DID THAT FEEL

902
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:15,049
LIKE?

903
00:25:15,069 --> 00:25:15,210
>> Brucionna: LIKE, I'M

904
00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:16,180
DROWNING.

905
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,259
LIKE, I CAN'T DO NOTHING.

906
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:22,069
I LAY DOWN.

907
00:25:22,089 --> 00:25:22,200
I DON'T MOVE.

908
00:25:22,220 --> 00:25:23,130
>> TODAY, AFTER A YEAR OF

909
00:25:23,150 --> 00:25:24,009
SCALING BACK YOUTH SPORTS TO

910
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:24,240
HELP PREVENT THE SPREAD OF

911
00:25:24,259 --> 00:25:27,230
COVID, SOME EXPERTS FEAR THAT

912
00:25:27,250 --> 00:25:28,250
WE'VE CREATED A DIFFERENT HEALTH

913
00:25:28,269 --> 00:25:31,150
CRISIS IN THE PROCESS.

914
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:32,079
>> Dr. Diamond: COVID IS NOT

915
00:25:32,099 --> 00:25:34,170
JUST ONE PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE.

916
00:25:34,190 --> 00:25:38,190
TO ME COVID IS A SERIES OF

917
00:25:38,210 --> 00:25:39,170
PUBLIC HEALTH CRISES.

918
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:40,220
AND WE CAN'T BE SO UNIQUELY

919
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,019
FOCUSED ON DISEASE SPREAD THAT

920
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:47,009
WE IGNORE THE OTHER ASPECTS OF

921
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:47,099
HEALTH.

922
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,130
>> ALEX DIAMOND IS A PEDIATRIC

923
00:25:48,150 --> 00:25:49,150
SPORTS MEDICINE PHYSICIAN AT

924
00:25:49,170 --> 00:25:51,140
VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY, AND HAS

925
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,220
HELPED ADVISE HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS

926
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,079
PROGRAMS ACROSS THE NATION

927
00:25:54,099 --> 00:25:58,160
DURING THE PANDEMIC.

928
00:25:58,180 --> 00:25:59,049
HE BELIEVES THAT POLICY MAKERS

929
00:25:59,069 --> 00:26:00,059
HAVE BEEN TOO CONSERVATIVE IN

930
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:06,250
RESTRICTING YOUTH SPORTS.

931
00:26:06,269 --> 00:26:07,240
>> Dr. Diamond: WE'RE SUPPOSED

932
00:26:07,259 --> 00:26:08,130
TO BE A SOCIETY WHERE WE VALUE

933
00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:09,029
OUR CHILDREN MORE THAN ANYTHING

934
00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:13,019
ELSE.

935
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:13,200
SO I THINK WE NEED TO SORT OF

936
00:26:13,220 --> 00:26:14,140
COME BACK TO THE MIDDLE GROUND

937
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,049
AND LOOK AT ALL THE DOWNSTREAM

938
00:26:16,069 --> 00:26:17,039
EFFECTS THAT THIS IS POTENTIALLY

939
00:26:17,059 --> 00:26:19,269
HAVING ON OUR KIDS AND TEENS.

940
00:26:19,289 --> 00:26:21,269
>> Kavitha: BUT THE CDC JUST

941
00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:22,210
SUGGESTED THAT WINTER SPORTS

942
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:23,160
MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE CAUSE OF AN

943
00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:26,099
OUTBREAK IN GEORGIA.

944
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:27,269
AND 49 YOUTH SPORTS TEAMS IN

945
00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:28,269
BUFFALO WERE FORCED TO SHUT DOWN

946
00:26:28,289 --> 00:26:31,279
THEIR SEASONS AS WELL.

947
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,000
DO YOU HAVE CONCERNS THAT

948
00:26:33,019 --> 00:26:34,250
REOPENING SPORTS AROUND THE

949
00:26:34,269 --> 00:26:35,170
COUNTRY COULD LEAD TO OUTBREAKS

950
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:39,220
NATION-WIDE?

951
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,259
>> Dr. Diamond: INCREASED SOCIAL

952
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:41,160
INTERACTION ALWAYS HAS THAT

953
00:26:41,180 --> 00:26:45,180
POTENTIAL RISK.

954
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,140
AND SO WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO

955
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,240
HAVE CAUTION.

956
00:26:46,259 --> 00:26:47,210
BUT I THINK THE RISK OF NOT

957
00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:50,029
PLAYING IS GREATER THAN THE RISK

958
00:26:50,049 --> 00:26:50,210
OF PLAYING.

959
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:51,180
>> IN THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO,

960
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,059
THE RISK CAN BE TO A YOUNG

961
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:54,279
ATHLETE'S LIFE.

962
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,289
A GROWING NUMBER OF PARENTS NOW

963
00:26:58,009 --> 00:26:58,259
SAY THEIR CHILDREN LOST SO MUCH

964
00:26:58,279 --> 00:26:59,150
HOPE AND PURPOSE WITHOUT SPORTS

965
00:26:59,170 --> 00:27:00,180
DURING THE PANDEMIC, THAT IT

966
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,119
LED, AT LEAST IN PART, TO THEIR

967
00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:05,259
TAKING THEIR OWN LIVES.

968
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,269
>> A YEAR AGO, TREVOR TILL WAS

969
00:27:07,289 --> 00:27:09,000
ONE OF THE BEST HIGH SCHOOL POLE

970
00:27:09,019 --> 00:27:09,180
VAULTERS IN THE STATE OF

971
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:15,069
ILLINOIS.

972
00:27:15,089 --> 00:27:15,259
HE WAS SET TO BEGIN HIS SENIOR

973
00:27:15,279 --> 00:27:16,150
SEASON, AS THE CAPTAIN OF THE

974
00:27:16,170 --> 00:27:21,109
TRACK AND FIELD TEAM, WHEN THE

975
00:27:21,130 --> 00:27:23,109
PANDEMIC STRUCK, AND THE SEASON

976
00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:24,059
WAS SUSPENDED.

977
00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:25,000
LISA MOORE IS TREVOR'S MOTHER.

978
00:27:25,019 --> 00:27:25,210
>> Lisa: IN THE BEGINNING, IT

979
00:27:25,230 --> 00:27:26,130
WAS, WELL, IT'S GONNA BE FOR A

980
00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:28,289
WEEK OR TWO WEEKS.

981
00:27:29,009 --> 00:27:31,029
OR, YOU KNOW -- AND IT JUST KEPT

982
00:27:31,049 --> 00:27:35,269
GOING AND GOING.

983
00:27:35,289 --> 00:27:36,160
>> Kavitha: DO YOU THINK HE LOST

984
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:37,039
SOME OF HIS MOTIVATION?

985
00:27:37,059 --> 00:27:37,160
>> Lisa: OH, SURE.

986
00:27:37,180 --> 00:27:37,269
YEAH.

987
00:27:37,289 --> 00:27:38,279
I HEARD HIM CRY SOMETIMES AT

988
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,069
NIGHT.

989
00:27:39,089 --> 00:27:39,269
AND HE QUIT RUNNING.

990
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:41,279
HE DIDN'T RUN MOST OF THE

991
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,069
SUMMER.

992
00:27:42,089 --> 00:27:43,250
I KEPT SAYING, "MAYBE YOU SHOULD

993
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:44,079
RUN.

994
00:27:44,099 --> 00:27:45,170
YOU'RE AN ATHLETE AND, YOU KNOW,

995
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:47,240
THE ENDORPHINS."

996
00:27:47,259 --> 00:27:49,259
>> Kavitha: AND WHY DO YOU THINK

997
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:54,069
HE JUST DIDN'T?

998
00:27:54,089 --> 00:27:54,250
>> Lisa: DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT.

999
00:27:54,269 --> 00:27:56,109
DIDN'T SEE, YOU KNOW, TRACK'S

1000
00:27:56,130 --> 00:27:57,000
OVER.

1001
00:27:57,019 --> 00:27:58,079
JUST DIDN'T SEE THE POINT.

1002
00:27:58,099 --> 00:27:59,269
>> MOORE SAYS HER SON JUST

1003
00:27:59,289 --> 00:28:02,240
COULDN'T SEEM TO GET OVER THE

1004
00:28:02,259 --> 00:28:06,269
LOSS.

1005
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:08,200
LAST FALL TREVOR LEFT FOR

1006
00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:11,079
COLLEGE, IN TIME, HE BECAME

1007
00:28:11,099 --> 00:28:11,269
UNRESPONSIVE TO CALLS AND TEXT

1008
00:28:11,289 --> 00:28:12,170
MESSAGES, LEADING HIS PARENTS TO

1009
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:13,250
WORRY.

1010
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:14,160
>> Lisa: MY EX-HUSBAND WENT DOWN

1011
00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:15,220
THERE TO DO A WELLNESS CHECK AND

1012
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,019
HE FOUND HIM.

1013
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:22,069
THAT WAS MY BABY.

1014
00:28:22,089 --> 00:28:24,170
HE HUNG THERE FOR THREE DAYS.

1015
00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:32,009
THIS BOY THAT WAS SO FULL OF

1016
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:33,259
LIFE, HE COULD'VE BEEN ANYTHING,

1017
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:38,089
AND HE'S GONE.

1018
00:28:38,109 --> 00:28:39,009
>> Kavitha: DO YOU THINK IF HE

1019
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:39,210
HAD HAD TRACK AND FIELD AND POLE

1020
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:40,079
VAULT, TREVOR WOULD STILL BE

1021
00:28:40,099 --> 00:28:43,109
WITH US?

1022
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:45,160
>> Lisa: I DO BELIEVE THAT.

1023
00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:47,150
I DO BELIEVE THAT.

1024
00:28:47,170 --> 00:28:48,180
I THINK IF HE COULD'VE FINISHED

1025
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,150
HIS SENIOR YEAR LIKE HE WANTED

1026
00:28:50,170 --> 00:28:51,119
TO HE WOULD'VE JUST CONTINUED TO

1027
00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:53,279
BE THE KID HE WAS, YOU KNOW.

1028
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,190
HE WOULDN'T HAVE LOST HIS SPARK

1029
00:28:55,210 --> 00:28:59,289
AND HIS LIGHT.

1030
00:29:00,009 --> 00:29:04,039
>> MOORE SAID IT WASN'T LONG

1031
00:29:04,059 --> 00:29:05,250
AFTER THE GRIEF OF LOSING TREVOR

1032
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:06,140
HAD SET IN, THAT ANOTHER EMOTION

1033
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,039
BEGAN TO SURFACE, OVER THE STATE

1034
00:29:07,059 --> 00:29:07,279
OF ILLINOIS' DECISION TO SUSPEND

1035
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,029
HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS.

1036
00:29:10,049 --> 00:29:12,240
>> Lisa: ANGER.

1037
00:29:12,259 --> 00:29:13,089
YEAH, THAT MAKES ME MAD.

1038
00:29:13,109 --> 00:29:13,269
THERE'S SO MANY KIDS THAT ARE

1039
00:29:13,289 --> 00:29:14,160
HURTING THAT WANNA BE OUT THERE

1040
00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:16,150
PLAYING.

1041
00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:18,099
>> SO MOORE FILED A LAWSUIT

1042
00:29:18,119 --> 00:29:20,130
AGAINST THE GOVERNOR, CLAIMING

1043
00:29:20,150 --> 00:29:21,029
THE RESTRICTIONS WERE UNFAIR AND

1044
00:29:21,049 --> 00:29:24,069
UNLAWFUL.

1045
00:29:24,089 --> 00:29:25,130
FIGHTING ONE ILLNESS, SHE SAYS,

1046
00:29:25,150 --> 00:29:28,170
SHOULDN'T MEAN IGNORING OTHERS.

1047
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:30,279
>> Lisa: I DON'T WANT TO SEE

1048
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,180
COVID SPREAD.

1049
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,230
YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT'S REAL.

1050
00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:34,180
BUT WE'RE NOT MEANT TO BE

1051
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:35,180
ISOLATED.

1052
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,160
WE'RE MEANT TO BE TOGETHER.

1053
00:29:37,180 --> 00:29:40,079
>> IT'S A SENTIMENT ECHOED BY

1054
00:29:40,099 --> 00:29:42,059
ALLISON ELO, WHOSE HOME STATE OF

1055
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:43,049
CALIFORNIA SUSPENDED YOUTH

1056
00:29:43,069 --> 00:29:44,200
SPORTS COMPETITION FOR MOST OF

1057
00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:46,180
THE PANDEMIC.

1058
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,180
>> Allison: THAT'S ONE OF THE

1059
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,069
WORST DECISIONS THEY COULD HAVE

1060
00:29:48,089 --> 00:29:49,240
MADE.

1061
00:29:49,259 --> 00:29:51,130
>> Kavitha: ARE YOU WORRIED

1062
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:52,289
ABOUT THE LONG-TERM EFFECTS THAT

1063
00:29:53,009 --> 00:29:54,140
THIS LAST YEAR MIGHT HAVE ON

1064
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,109
KOLBY'S WELL-BEING?

1065
00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:57,160
>> Allison: I DON'T THINK I'D BE

1066
00:29:57,180 --> 00:29:58,170
A GOOD PARENT IF I WASN'T

1067
00:29:58,190 --> 00:30:00,289
WORRIED ABOUT THAT.

1068
00:30:01,009 --> 00:30:02,210
I DON'T WANT HIM TO BECOME A

1069
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:04,289
STATISTIC DOWN THE LINE.

1070
00:30:05,009 --> 00:30:05,190
I JUST THINK HE NEEDS TO GO BE A

1071
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:06,039
KID.

1072
00:30:06,059 --> 00:30:09,119
GO PLAY.

1073
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:10,039
♪ ♪

1074
00:30:10,059 --> 00:30:11,269
>> Bryant: AND I'M VERY PLEASED

1075
00:30:11,289 --> 00:30:12,160
IN NEW YORK TO WELCOME KAVITHA

1076
00:30:12,180 --> 00:30:13,019
DAVIDSON TO OUR FAMILY.

1077
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,049
KAVITHA, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

1078
00:30:15,069 --> 00:30:15,279
>> Kavitha: GOOD TO SEE YOU.

1079
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,180
THRILLED TO BE HERE.

1080
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,200
>> Bryant: I GUESS THIS IS KIND

1081
00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:21,200
OF A MACRO QUESTION, BUT AT ITS

1082
00:30:21,220 --> 00:30:23,140
CORE, IS THIS PROBLEM REALLY THE

1083
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:24,200
RESULT OF INACTIVITY, OR

1084
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:25,259
MISPLACED PRIORITY ON SPORTS?

1085
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,059
>> Kavitha: I THINK YOU COULD

1086
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:29,119
PROBABLY SAY BOTH.

1087
00:30:29,140 --> 00:30:30,089
A LOT OF PARENTS THAT WE TALKED

1088
00:30:30,109 --> 00:30:31,109
TO BASICALLY SAID THAT THESE

1089
00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:33,029
KIDS NEEDED SPORTS FOR THEIR

1090
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:34,019
PRIMARY MOTIVATION TO GO TO

1091
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:35,240
SCHOOL, TO KEEP BEING SOCIALLY

1092
00:30:35,259 --> 00:30:37,119
ACTIVE, AND THEY LOST ALL OF

1093
00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:38,000
THAT WHEN THEY LOST SPORTS IN

1094
00:30:38,019 --> 00:30:39,190
THE SHUTDOWN.

1095
00:30:39,210 --> 00:30:40,119
>> Bryant: WAS IT DIFFICULT FOR

1096
00:30:40,140 --> 00:30:46,049
YOU, AS IT WAS FOR ME, AS THESE

1097
00:30:46,069 --> 00:30:46,269
PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE ISSUE,

1098
00:30:46,289 --> 00:30:47,160
TO SEPARATE THEIR OPINIONS FROM

1099
00:30:47,180 --> 00:30:48,269
THEIR POLITICS?

1100
00:30:48,289 --> 00:30:49,289
>> Kavitha: THAT WAS CERTAINLY

1101
00:30:50,009 --> 00:30:51,119
DIFFICULT.

1102
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:52,009
BUT I THINK WHAT WE TRIED TO DO

1103
00:30:52,029 --> 00:30:53,269
IN THIS PIECE, WHILE A LOT OF

1104
00:30:53,289 --> 00:30:54,180
THE PEOPLE WE TALKED TO HAD

1105
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,069
THEIR OWN OPINIONS ABOUT WHETHER

1106
00:30:55,089 --> 00:30:56,009
THE SHUTDOWN WAS OR WASN'T

1107
00:30:56,029 --> 00:30:57,069
PRUDENT, WAS TO REALLY JUST

1108
00:30:57,089 --> 00:30:58,269
PRESENT THE FACTS.

1109
00:30:58,289 --> 00:31:00,170
THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE

1110
00:31:00,190 --> 00:31:02,079
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT

1111
00:31:02,099 --> 00:31:03,190
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO

1112
00:31:03,210 --> 00:31:05,259
UNPACK AS THE MONTHS PASS BY

1113
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:06,140
ABOUT WHAT LOSING SPORTS, AND

1114
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,039
WHAT SHUTTING THINGS DOWN REALLY

1115
00:31:07,059 --> 00:31:07,180
MEANT FOR THESE KIDS.

1116
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,000
>> Bryant: YEAH.

1117
00:31:09,019 --> 00:31:11,069
LAST NOTE, LISA MOORE YOU SAID

1118
00:31:11,089 --> 00:31:12,099
FILED SUIT AGAINST GOVERNOR

1119
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:12,289
PRITZKER OF ILLINOIS, WHAT'S THE

1120
00:31:13,009 --> 00:31:14,250
STATUS OF THAT LAWSUIT?

1121
00:31:14,269 --> 00:31:15,240
>> Kavitha: THERE'S A MOTION FOR

1122
00:31:15,259 --> 00:31:17,049
SOME REJUDGEMENT THAT THEY'RE

1123
00:31:17,069 --> 00:31:18,240
WAITING FOR THE JUDGE TO RULE

1124
00:31:18,259 --> 00:31:20,140
ON, AND ORAL ARGUMENTS BEGIN ON

1125
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,250
MAY 12th, AND WE'LL SEE WHERE

1126
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:23,049
THINGS GO FROM THERE.

1127
00:31:23,069 --> 00:31:24,259
STILL IN THE LEGAL PROCESS.

1128
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:25,140
>> Bryant: KAVITHA, THANK YOU.

1129
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:26,170
GREAT JOB!

1130
00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:27,019
WELCOME.

1131
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:29,150
>> Kavitha: THANK YOU.

1132
00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:30,210
>> Bryant: NOW FOR SOMETHING

1133
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:33,079
REALLY DIFFERENT.

1134
00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:36,220
IN A SPORTS WORLD LOADED WITH

1135
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,099
WEIRD, STRANGE AND UNUSUAL

1136
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:37,289
CHARACTERS, A MAN NAMED LAZARUS

1137
00:31:38,009 --> 00:31:40,109
LAKE STILL MANAGES TO STAND OUT.

1138
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:41,009
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE NAME,

1139
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:41,200
DON'T WORRY, THERE'S NO REASON

1140
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:43,079
YOU SHOULD.

1141
00:31:43,099 --> 00:31:44,049
LAKE IS NOT AN ATHLETE, OR AN

1142
00:31:44,069 --> 00:31:44,230
OWNER, OR EVEN A MEMBER OF THE

1143
00:31:44,250 --> 00:31:49,269
SPORTS MEDIA.

1144
00:31:49,289 --> 00:31:50,160
HE IS INSTEAD THE CREATOR OF A

1145
00:31:50,180 --> 00:31:51,039
RACE THAT IS HELD ANNUALLY IN

1146
00:31:51,059 --> 00:31:52,049
TENNESSEE.

1147
00:31:52,069 --> 00:31:53,069
A RACE THAT IS UNLIKE ANY KIND

1148
00:31:53,089 --> 00:31:59,039
OF SPORTING EXPERIENCE YOU'VE

1149
00:31:59,059 --> 00:31:59,150
EVER CONSIDERED.

1150
00:31:59,170 --> 00:32:00,059
LAKE CALLS HIS RACE THE BARKLEY.

1151
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:00,250
BUT DESIGNS IT IN HOPES THAT NO

1152
00:32:00,269 --> 00:32:03,289
ONE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE

1153
00:32:04,009 --> 00:32:04,109
FINISH LINE.

1154
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:04,289
OUR MARY CARILLO BRAVED THE

1155
00:32:05,009 --> 00:32:06,269
ELEMENTS TO CHECK IT OUT.

1156
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:08,210
>> LOOK CLOSELY, IF YOU CAN.

1157
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:10,089
THIS IS NOT YOUR AVERAGE

1158
00:32:10,109 --> 00:32:14,150
MARATHON.

1159
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:17,279
FOR ONE THING, IT BEGINS IN THE

1160
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,069
WEE HOURS OF THE NIGHT, AT A

1161
00:32:19,089 --> 00:32:23,059
TIME THAT'S KEPT SECRET UNTIL

1162
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:23,220
THE LAST MOMENT, THIS YEAR

1163
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,069
AROUND 3 AM.

1164
00:32:27,089 --> 00:32:32,069
>> 10 MINUTES, 10 MINUTES.

1165
00:32:32,089 --> 00:32:33,170
>> FOR ANOTHER, IT'S STARTS NOT

1166
00:32:33,190 --> 00:32:34,190
WITH THE FIRING OF A PISTOL, BUT

1167
00:32:34,210 --> 00:32:38,240
THE LIGHTING OF A CIGARETTE.

1168
00:32:38,259 --> 00:32:39,109
>> GO GET THEM!

1169
00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:41,000
>> BUT MOST OF ALL, IT'S

1170
00:32:41,019 --> 00:32:42,069
DESIGNED WITH A RATHER UNUSUAL

1171
00:32:42,089 --> 00:32:43,210
GOAL:

1172
00:32:43,230 --> 00:32:45,130
TO ENSURE THAT NEARLY ALL OF ITS

1173
00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:47,059
PARTICIPANTS FAIL.

1174
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:48,109
>> Mary: WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE

1175
00:32:48,130 --> 00:32:50,140
PEOPLE WHO ENTER THE BARKLEY

1176
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,069
RACE FINISH IT?

1177
00:32:52,089 --> 00:32:54,019
>> Lazarus: WE SHOOT FOR AROUND

1178
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:55,049
1%.

1179
00:32:55,069 --> 00:32:56,140
WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE

1180
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,039
IMPOSSIBLE, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE

1181
00:32:57,059 --> 00:32:59,230
REALLY, REALLY HARD.

1182
00:32:59,250 --> 00:33:00,279
>> Mary: HOW MANY OF THESE

1183
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:01,170
ATHLETES QUICKLY UNDERSTAND AND

1184
00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:05,250
RECOGNIZE THAT THEY ARE IN WAY

1185
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:06,079
OVER THEIR HEAD?

1186
00:33:06,099 --> 00:33:07,059
>> Lazarus: THE FIRST TIME

1187
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:09,019
AROUND, PEOPLE USUALLY COME TO

1188
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,160
THAT REALIZATION FAIRLY QUICK.

1189
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:14,210
>> THEY CALL HIM LAZARUS LAKE,

1190
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:17,140
LAZ FOR SHORT, A UNIQUE NAME

1191
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,210
BEFITTING BOTH THIS UNUSUAL MAN,

1192
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:19,160
AND THE UNUSUAL RACE HE'S

1193
00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:22,009
CREATED.

1194
00:33:22,029 --> 00:33:26,089
THE BARKLEY, AS IT'S KNOWN, IS A

1195
00:33:26,109 --> 00:33:26,250
MARATHON DESIGNED FOR THE

1196
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:29,150
MASOCHIST.

1197
00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:30,059
IT COVERS NOT 26.2 MILES, BUT A

1198
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:33,000
HUNDRED, STRETCHED NOT ACROSS

1199
00:33:33,019 --> 00:33:35,099
FLAT URBAN ROADWAYS, BUT THE

1200
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:38,079
UNPAVED PEAKS AND VALLEYS OF THE

1201
00:33:38,099 --> 00:33:39,049
TENNESSEE MOUNTAINS, FORCING

1202
00:33:39,069 --> 00:33:41,130
RUNNERS TO SCALE SO MANY HILLS

1203
00:33:41,150 --> 00:33:44,160
THAT THEY CLIMB THE EQUIVALENT

1204
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:47,190
OF MT. EVEREST, TWICE.

1205
00:33:47,210 --> 00:33:49,279
MEANTIME, THEY ARE ALSO RACING

1206
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,049
AGAINST THE CLOCK, AS THEY MUST

1207
00:33:51,069 --> 00:33:52,240
COVER ALL HUNDRED MILES IN LESS

1208
00:33:52,259 --> 00:33:56,000
THAN 60 HOURS.

1209
00:33:56,019 --> 00:33:57,130
THAT MEANS THAT RUNNERS HAVE NO

1210
00:33:57,150 --> 00:33:58,079
TIME TO SLEEP, NOT FOR TWO AND A

1211
00:33:58,099 --> 00:34:00,230
HALF DAYS.

1212
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:02,039
INSTEAD, THEY FORGE ON THROUGH

1213
00:34:02,059 --> 00:34:05,069
THE DARKNESS OF NIGHT, AND

1214
00:34:05,089 --> 00:34:07,140
DAYTIME FOG SO DENSE THEY CAN'T

1215
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,210
SEE THEIR FEET, NOT THAT THEY'D

1216
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:10,090
WANT TO, GIVEN THAT MOST WIND UP

1217
00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:12,260
BLISTERED AND BLEEDING.

1218
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,280
>> OH GOD, THAT HURTS SO BAD.

1219
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,039
>> Mary: ARE YOU A SADIST?

1220
00:34:17,059 --> 00:34:18,239
>> Lazarus: NO.

1221
00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:19,090
[LAUGHS]

1222
00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:19,289
>> Mary: WHAT ARE YOU IF NOT

1223
00:34:20,010 --> 00:34:20,289
THAT?

1224
00:34:21,010 --> 00:34:22,150
>> Lazarus: PEOPLE ENJOY IT.

1225
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:23,110
THERE'S JUST SOME DISCOMFORT

1226
00:34:23,130 --> 00:34:26,070
INVOLVED.

1227
00:34:26,090 --> 00:34:27,170
>> CONSIDER: THIS IS WHAT YOU'D

1228
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:29,039
FIND AT A NORMAL MARATHON,

1229
00:34:29,059 --> 00:34:30,280
COMFORT STATIONS WHERE RUNNERS

1230
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,170
CAN STOP, REST, AND REFUEL AT A

1231
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:37,000
NICE BUFFET.

1232
00:34:37,019 --> 00:34:39,219
THIS IS WHAT YOU'LL FIND AT THE

1233
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,230
BARKLEY, A HANDFUL OF WATER JUGS

1234
00:34:41,250 --> 00:34:43,150
DUMPED BEHIND A TREE, WHICH MAY

1235
00:34:43,170 --> 00:34:44,190
OR MAY NOT BE DRINKABLE

1236
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:47,190
DEPENDING ON THE WEATHER.

1237
00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:49,139
>> Mary: SOMETIMES THE WATER

1238
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,190
JUGS THAT YOU LEAVE FOR THE

1239
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:54,130
RUNNERS, LIKE, FREEZE OVER.

1240
00:34:54,150 --> 00:34:55,030
>> Lazarus: YEAH, SOMETIMES THEY

1241
00:34:55,050 --> 00:34:58,050
HAVE 50 8-POUND BLOCKS OF ICE.

1242
00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:58,260
WELL, YOU KNOW, LIFE IS NOT

1243
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,079
ALWAYS FAIR.

1244
00:35:00,099 --> 00:35:03,219
>> Mary: USUALLY, THERE ARE

1245
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,139
MEDICAL SUPPLIES IN SO MANY OF

1246
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,179
THE ULTRAMARATHON RACES.

1247
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:07,090
WHAT DO YOU OFFER IN YOUR --

1248
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:09,179
>> Lazarus: WE HAVE DUCT TAPE

1249
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:09,280
AND VASELINE.

1250
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,190
YOU KNOW, IT'LL FIX ABOUT

1251
00:35:10,210 --> 00:35:15,130
EVERYTHING.

1252
00:35:15,150 --> 00:35:17,130
>> FOR MOST RUNNERS, IT'S ALL

1253
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:19,179
TOO MUCH, AND SOONER OR LATER

1254
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:20,269
THEY'LL RETURN TO LAZ, AS THIS

1255
00:35:20,289 --> 00:35:22,030
RUNNER DID A FEW YEARS AGO, AND

1256
00:35:22,050 --> 00:35:23,190
ANNOUNCE THEY CAN'T GO ON.

1257
00:35:23,210 --> 00:35:25,159
>> ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE?

1258
00:35:25,179 --> 00:35:27,110
>> AND WHEN THEY DO, LAZ AND HIS

1259
00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:30,170
CREW LOUDLY, AND PROUDLY,

1260
00:35:30,190 --> 00:35:33,210
ANNOUNCE THE RUNNER'S DEMISE.

1261
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:34,199
>> Mary: WHEN A RUNNER'S GOTTA

1262
00:35:34,219 --> 00:35:36,059
QUIT THE RACE, YOU REALLY DO

1263
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,010
PLAY TAPS FOR THEM?

1264
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:41,210
>> Lazarus: WELL, YEAH THEY

1265
00:35:41,230 --> 00:35:45,260
DIDN'T MAKE IT.

1266
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:51,250
[TRUMPET PLAYING "TAPS"]

1267
00:35:51,269 --> 00:35:54,099
>> Lazarus: IT'S A LOT OF FUN,

1268
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:55,079
WATCHING PEOPLE'S VARIOUS

1269
00:35:55,099 --> 00:35:58,210
REACTIONS TO BEING TAPPED OUT.

1270
00:35:58,230 --> 00:36:01,010
THERE IS NO MERCY IN SPORTS, IS

1271
00:36:01,030 --> 00:36:02,119
THERE?

1272
00:36:02,139 --> 00:36:05,050
>> BUT IF LAZARUS LAKE SEEMS

1273
00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:07,059
RUTHLESS, IT'S WORTH NOTING,

1274
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,070
HE'S COVERED MORE GROUND ON FOOT

1275
00:36:10,090 --> 00:36:11,000
THAN ANY OF THESE RUNNERS, AND

1276
00:36:11,019 --> 00:36:12,070
FOR THAT MATTER, PROBABLY ANYONE

1277
00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:13,190
ELSE.

1278
00:36:13,210 --> 00:36:15,179
VISIT HIM AT HOME AND HE'LL SHOW

1279
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:18,010
YOU HIS ONE-OF-A-KIND MAP OF THE

1280
00:36:18,030 --> 00:36:18,210
STATE OF TENNESSEE, WHICH HE PUT

1281
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:21,030
TOGETHER HIMSELF.

1282
00:36:21,050 --> 00:36:22,260
IT'S COVERED IN ORANGE LINES,

1283
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,260
WHICH TRACE THE ROUTES LAZ HAS

1284
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,239
RUN OVER THE YEARS, THOUSANDS OF

1285
00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:31,010
MILES, ALWAYS ON HIS OWN.

1286
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:31,280
>> Lazarus: YOU JUST PUT YOUR

1287
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,079
STUFF IN YOUR PACK.

1288
00:36:33,099 --> 00:36:35,059
AND YOU'RE CUT OFF FROM

1289
00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:35,150
EVERYTHING.

1290
00:36:35,170 --> 00:36:36,070
AND YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN.

1291
00:36:36,090 --> 00:36:37,159
YOU'RE RELYING ON YOURSELF.

1292
00:36:37,179 --> 00:36:39,010
>> TO LAZ, THE IDEA OF TESTING

1293
00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:41,219
ONESELF AGAINST THE TOUGHEST

1294
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,210
POSSIBLE CONDITIONS APPEARS TO

1295
00:36:43,230 --> 00:36:45,210
SIMPLY BE FUN.

1296
00:36:45,230 --> 00:36:46,150
WHICH MIGHT HELP EXPLAIN HOW HE

1297
00:36:46,170 --> 00:36:47,289
GOT THE IDEA FOR THE BARKLEY TO

1298
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:49,150
BEGIN WITH.

1299
00:36:49,170 --> 00:36:51,289
IT WAS BACK IN 1977, WHEN A

1300
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:57,190
PRISON BREAK MADE INTERNATIONAL

1301
00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:57,280
NEWS.

1302
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,099
>> POLICE WITH BLOODHOUNDS ON

1303
00:36:59,119 --> 00:36:59,269
THE GROUND, HELICOPTERS WITH

1304
00:36:59,289 --> 00:37:01,179
INFRARED DETECTION DEVICES IN

1305
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:02,179
THE AIR.

1306
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:04,230
ALL OF THEM SCOURING A FIVE

1307
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:05,110
SQUARE MILE AREA IN THE RUGGED

1308
00:37:05,130 --> 00:37:06,079
TENNESSEE HILL COUNTRY.

1309
00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:10,190
THE OBJECT OF THEIR MANHUNT,

1310
00:37:10,210 --> 00:37:11,070
JAMES EARL RAY.

1311
00:37:11,090 --> 00:37:12,000
>> JAMES EARL RAY, THE MAN

1312
00:37:12,019 --> 00:37:13,099
CONVICTED OF ASSASSINATING

1313
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:15,039
MARTIN LUTHER KING JR, HAD

1314
00:37:15,059 --> 00:37:17,150
ESCAPED THIS PRISON IN

1315
00:37:17,170 --> 00:37:24,099
TENNESSEE.

1316
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:25,000
>> BUT HE COULDN'T ESCAPE THE

1317
00:37:25,019 --> 00:37:25,159
RUTHLESS HILLS AROUND IT.

1318
00:37:25,179 --> 00:37:26,050
AFTER A 60-HOUR MANHUNT, HE WAS

1319
00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:30,019
FOUND HUNGRY, COLD, EXHAUSTED,

1320
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:30,139
AND DEFEATED.

1321
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:31,090
>> Mary: THEY CALL THOSE

1322
00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:32,210
MOUNTAINS, THE THIRD WALL OF THE

1323
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:35,210
PRISON.

1324
00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:36,090
>> Lazarus: YES.

1325
00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:36,260
>> Mary: WHY DO THEY CALL IT

1326
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,019
THAT?

1327
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:37,210
>> Lazarus: YOU MIGHT GET OVER

1328
00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:38,079
THE WALL OF THE PRISON, BUT

1329
00:37:38,099 --> 00:37:39,030
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET OVER THOSE

1330
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:40,030
MOUNTAINS.

1331
00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:41,250
>> BUT IF THE ESCAPE WAS A

1332
00:37:41,269 --> 00:37:44,170
FAILURE FOR JAMES EARL RAY, IT

1333
00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:46,019
WAS AN INSPIRATION FOR LAZARUS

1334
00:37:46,039 --> 00:37:47,110
LAKE, WHO NOW HAD A TEMPLATE FOR

1335
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:49,170
CREATING A MERCILESS,

1336
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:51,010
UNFORGIVING, 60-HOUR TRIP

1337
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:52,239
THROUGH HELL.

1338
00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:58,000
HE DESIGNED A RACE THAT WOULD

1339
00:37:58,019 --> 00:37:58,260
TAKE RUNNERS THROUGH THOSE SAME

1340
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,139
MOUNTAINS, AND EVEN UNDER THAT

1341
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,050
SAME PRISON.

1342
00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:03,230
WHERE RUNNERS WOULD BE FORCED TO

1343
00:38:03,250 --> 00:38:05,199
MAKE THEIR OWN ESCAPE,

1344
00:38:05,219 --> 00:38:06,269
NAVIGATING THROUGH A LONG, DARK,

1345
00:38:06,289 --> 00:38:09,269
AND SOAKING WET TUNNEL.

1346
00:38:09,289 --> 00:38:13,150
LAZ HELD THE FIRST ANNUAL RACE

1347
00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:15,210
IN 1986, AND COMPETED IN IT TOO,

1348
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:17,039
IT WENT JUST AS HE'D HOPED,

1349
00:38:17,059 --> 00:38:21,050
TERRIBLY.

1350
00:38:21,070 --> 00:38:21,230
>> Lazarus: IT WAS MISERABLE.

1351
00:38:21,250 --> 00:38:24,030
IT WAS SO INTENSELY COLD.

1352
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:25,070
>> Mary: NO ONE FINISHED?

1353
00:38:25,090 --> 00:38:26,159
>> Lazarus: NO BUT, IT ONLY

1354
00:38:26,179 --> 00:38:30,219
SEEMED TO WHET PEOPLE'S APPETITE

1355
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,199
FOR MORE.

1356
00:38:31,219 --> 00:38:37,170
>> WORD SPREAD IN THE RUNNING

1357
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:39,280
COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS NEARLY

1358
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,159
IMPOSSIBLE RACE, AND OVER THE

1359
00:38:40,179 --> 00:38:41,000
YEARS MANY OF THE BEST

1360
00:38:41,019 --> 00:38:41,219
LONG-DISTANCE RUNNERS FROM

1361
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,170
ACROSS THE GLOBE HAVE FLOCKED TO

1362
00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:47,230
TENNESSEE TO TEST THEIR METTLE.

1363
00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:49,230
>> THEY HAVE NOT FARED WELL.

1364
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:51,059
>> Mary: HOW HARD IS THAT

1365
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:53,010
COURSE?

1366
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:53,170
>> Greg: IT WAS HUMBLING.

1367
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:54,210
>> GREG ARMSTRONG HAS WON MANY

1368
00:38:54,230 --> 00:38:58,050
RACES MEASURING OVER 100 MILES,

1369
00:38:58,070 --> 00:38:58,230
BUT HE WAS NO MATCH FOR LAZ'S

1370
00:38:58,250 --> 00:39:04,079
COURSE IN HIS FIRST ATTEMPT,

1371
00:39:04,099 --> 00:39:04,269
FAILING TO MAKE THE TIME CUT OFF

1372
00:39:04,289 --> 00:39:06,079
AFTER THE FIRST 20 MILES.

1373
00:39:06,099 --> 00:39:08,079
>> Mary: SO WHAT WENT WRONG?

1374
00:39:08,099 --> 00:39:10,090
>> Greg: [SIGHS]

1375
00:39:10,110 --> 00:39:14,000
MAYBE A SHORTER LIST ABOUT WHAT

1376
00:39:14,019 --> 00:39:14,170
WENT RIGHT.

1377
00:39:14,190 --> 00:39:15,059
LOTS OF RAIN, SO THOSE REALLY

1378
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:16,119
STEEP CLIMBS AND YOU WOULD TAKE

1379
00:39:16,139 --> 00:39:22,230
ONE STEP FORWARD, AND SLIDE TWO,

1380
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:23,079
THREE FEET BACK.

1381
00:39:23,099 --> 00:39:23,219
20 MILE AN HOUR WINDS.

1382
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,119
YOU BEGIN TO GET HYPOTHERMIC.

1383
00:39:24,139 --> 00:39:25,099
I WAS DRENCHED TO THE BONE.

1384
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:26,119
>> Mary: WAS LAZ SMIRKING WHEN

1385
00:39:26,139 --> 00:39:29,190
HE SAW YOU TIME OUT?

1386
00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:31,210
>> Greg: OH, YES.

1387
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:33,030
AND HIS LITTLE -- HIS LAUGH

1388
00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:34,039
THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE

1389
00:39:34,059 --> 00:39:35,059
HEARD THE LAUGH AND --

1390
00:39:35,079 --> 00:39:35,289
>> Mary: IT'S A CACKLE.

1391
00:39:36,010 --> 00:39:36,250
>> Greg: AND THEN HE SAID, "I

1392
00:39:36,269 --> 00:39:37,139
BET YOU'VE NEVER TIMED OUT OF A

1393
00:39:37,159 --> 00:39:44,219
RACE BEFORE?"

1394
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,090
AND HE WAS RIGHT.

1395
00:39:45,110 --> 00:39:45,250
>> NONETHELESS, THIS YEAR

1396
00:39:45,269 --> 00:39:46,219
ARMSTRONG WAS BACK.

1397
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,110
THE DAY BEFORE THE BARKLEY, HE

1398
00:39:47,130 --> 00:39:48,000
EXPLAINED WHY HE WANTED TO PUT

1399
00:39:48,019 --> 00:39:50,269
HIMSELF THROUGH HELL AGAIN.

1400
00:39:50,289 --> 00:39:56,039
>> Greg: YOU LEARN SO MUCH ABOUT

1401
00:39:56,059 --> 00:39:56,230
YOURSELF.

1402
00:39:56,250 --> 00:39:57,219
WHEN YOU TAKE YOURSELF TO THAT

1403
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,030
BREAKING POINT.

1404
00:39:58,050 --> 00:39:58,219
>> Mary: AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO

1405
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,070
WITH THE BREAKING POINT?

1406
00:39:59,090 --> 00:39:59,250
>> Greg: OH, YOU JUST RUMINATE

1407
00:39:59,269 --> 00:40:00,219
OVER IT.

1408
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,059
FOR YEARS.

1409
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:03,280
AND YOU LEARN, AND GROW.

1410
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,260
AND LAZ KNOWS THAT.

1411
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:07,289
THAT'S WHY HE CREATES THIS RACE.

1412
00:40:08,010 --> 00:40:09,059
>> Mary: YOU HAVE SAID THAT

1413
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:10,230
ANYTHING THAT MAKES THE RACE

1414
00:40:10,250 --> 00:40:11,179
MORE MENTALLY STRESSFUL FOR THE

1415
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,210
RUNNERS IS GOOD.

1416
00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:15,000
GOOD FOR WHO?

1417
00:40:15,019 --> 00:40:18,150
>> Lazarus: [LAUGHS]

1418
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:19,130
THE RUNNERS.

1419
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:21,079
>> Mary: REALLY?

1420
00:40:21,099 --> 00:40:21,230
>> Lazarus: THEY WANT TO

1421
00:40:21,250 --> 00:40:22,190
OVERCOME THE CHALLENGES.

1422
00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:23,179
THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE DRAWN

1423
00:40:23,199 --> 00:40:27,010
TO THINGS THAT THEY MIGHT NOT

1424
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:28,280
SUCCEED AT DOING.

1425
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:29,159
THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY WITHIN

1426
00:40:29,179 --> 00:40:30,030
THE RANGE OF STUFF THEY KNOW

1427
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:33,030
THEY CAN DO.

1428
00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:33,219
>> THAT MAY EXPLAIN WHY THERE'S

1429
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:39,019
ACTUALLY EXCESS DEMAND TO RACE

1430
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:39,159
IN THE BARKLEY.

1431
00:40:39,179 --> 00:40:40,099
HOPEFULS MUST APPLY FOR ENTRY, A

1432
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,239
PROCESS THAT EVEN REQUIRES AN

1433
00:40:42,260 --> 00:40:45,030
ADMISSIONS EXAM, AND ONLY 40

1434
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:46,179
"LUCKY WINNERS" ARE CHOSEN,

1435
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:49,130
HANDPICKED, OF COURSE, BY LAZ

1436
00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:50,010
HIMSELF.

1437
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:51,019
>> THE APPLICATION GIVES

1438
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:52,030
CANDIDATES A WARNING: "BE

1439
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:56,159
AFRAID.

1440
00:40:56,179 --> 00:40:57,199
BE VERY AFRAID."

1441
00:40:57,219 --> 00:40:59,019
AND SPECIFIES "NO CHILDREN, THEY

1442
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:02,170
ARE TOO SMALL.

1443
00:41:02,190 --> 00:41:05,150
NO WOMEN, THEY ARE TOO SOFT."

1444
00:41:05,170 --> 00:41:06,280
IN REALITY, LAZ DOES ACCEPT

1445
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,179
WOMEN INTO THE BARKLEY, BUT HE'S

1446
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:08,139
QUICK TO NOTE THAT IN THE RACE'S

1447
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:11,090
35 YEAR HISTORY, ALL 15 PEOPLE

1448
00:41:11,110 --> 00:41:15,239
WHO'VE FINISHED HAVE BEEN MEN.

1449
00:41:15,260 --> 00:41:16,130
>> Mary: A WOMAN HAS NEVER

1450
00:41:16,150 --> 00:41:20,280
FINISHED THE RACE?

1451
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,139
WHY?

1452
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:22,019
>> Lazarus: IT'S TOO DIFFICULT

1453
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:22,280
FOR WOMEN.

1454
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,150
>> Mary: OKAY, YOU KNOW I'M

1455
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:24,030
GONNA HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT

1456
00:41:24,050 --> 00:41:24,099
ANSWER.

1457
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:25,030
>> Lazarus: I'D LIKE A WOMAN

1458
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:25,219
ACTUALLY TO FINISH AND PUT THIS

1459
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,239
TO BED BECAUSE I HAVE AN

1460
00:41:26,260 --> 00:41:31,269
OBLIGATION.

1461
00:41:31,289 --> 00:41:32,170
AS LONG AS NO WOMAN HAS DONE IT,

1462
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:33,250
THE ONLY ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION

1463
00:41:33,269 --> 00:41:34,219
IS, "IT IS STILL TOO HARD FOR

1464
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,230
WOMEN."

1465
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:38,239
>> Mary: I REALLY WANT A WOMAN

1466
00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:43,059
TO FINISH THIS YEAR.

1467
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:44,090
>> Lazarus: [LAUGHS]

1468
00:41:44,110 --> 00:41:45,210
SOME OTHER WOMAN.

1469
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:46,210
>> Mary: OH, IT'S NOT GONNA BE

1470
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:49,150
ME.

1471
00:41:49,170 --> 00:41:50,119
>> Lazarus: THAT'S ONE OF THE

1472
00:41:50,139 --> 00:41:50,199
ISSUES.

1473
00:41:50,219 --> 00:41:51,150
EVERY WOMAN WANTS TO SEE A WOMAN

1474
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:54,000
FINISHER, BUT 99.99% OF THOSE

1475
00:41:54,019 --> 00:41:57,150
WOMEN WANT SOME OTHER WOMAN TO

1476
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:58,010
BE THE ONE TO FINISH IT.

1477
00:41:58,030 --> 00:41:58,130
>> Mary: CORRECT.

1478
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:59,179
CORRECT.

1479
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:03,079
>> Liz: THAT WAS ALWAYS HIS

1480
00:42:03,099 --> 00:42:03,170
JOKE.

1481
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:04,039
LIKE, "NO WOMEN OR BABIES

1482
00:42:04,059 --> 00:42:04,139
ALLOWED.

1483
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:04,280
NO WOMEN OR CHILDREN."

1484
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:05,250
>> Mary: DOES HE MEAN THAT?

1485
00:42:05,269 --> 00:42:06,179
OR IS HE JUST TRYING TO DRIVE

1486
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:06,269
YOU CRAZY?

1487
00:42:06,289 --> 00:42:07,159
>> Liz: OH, HE'S TRYING TO DRIVE

1488
00:42:07,179 --> 00:42:07,260
US ALL CRAZY.

1489
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,280
HE GOADS US.

1490
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,179
'CAUSE HE KNOWS WE'RE STRONG.

1491
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,010
BUT IT'S ALSO -- YOU GOTTA GOAD

1492
00:42:18,030 --> 00:42:18,139
US A LITTLE BIT.

1493
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:19,019
LIKE, GOAD -- YOU JUST GOAD A

1494
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:19,210
WHOLE GENDER INTO GETTING ANGRY

1495
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:20,079
AND TRAINING OUR BUTTS OFF.

1496
00:42:20,099 --> 00:42:20,250
>> LIZ CANTY, AN ELITE LONG

1497
00:42:20,269 --> 00:42:21,150
DISTANCE RUNNER, SHOWED UP THIS

1498
00:42:21,170 --> 00:42:22,059
YEAR HOPING TO MAKE BARKLEY

1499
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:29,050
HISTORY.

1500
00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:30,030
SHE CAME ARMED WITH A UNIQUE

1501
00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:30,219
STRATEGY FOR KEEPING HER ENERGY

1502
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:31,079
LEVELS HIGH OVER 60 HOURS:

1503
00:42:31,099 --> 00:42:33,019
COMFORT FOOD.

1504
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:34,210
>> Liz: BAGELS, MAC AND CHEESE,

1505
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:37,090
MAC AND CHEESE, MAC AND CHEESE,

1506
00:42:37,110 --> 00:42:41,210
AND THEN I MAKE BURRITOS.

1507
00:42:41,230 --> 00:42:42,099
>> Mary: BUT YOU SAY YOU EAT IT

1508
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:42,199
WHILE YOU RUN?

1509
00:42:42,219 --> 00:42:43,090
>> Liz: YEAH, SO I'LL JUST WHIP

1510
00:42:43,110 --> 00:42:46,059
OUT A FULL SIZE BEAN BURRITO

1511
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:46,250
AND, LIKE, MUNCH ON THAT WHILE I

1512
00:42:46,269 --> 00:42:47,269
HIKE.

1513
00:42:47,289 --> 00:42:49,070
>> 15 MILES INTO THE RACE, CANTY

1514
00:42:49,090 --> 00:42:52,000
POWERED UP THIS LONG, STEEP

1515
00:42:52,019 --> 00:42:53,019
CLIMB, BEFORE PAUSING FOR A

1516
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:58,179
DRINK, HER LEGS ALREADY BLOODIED

1517
00:42:58,199 --> 00:42:59,030
FROM THE ROUGH TERRAIN,

1518
00:42:59,050 --> 00:43:00,079
ON THE WAY DOWN, SHE PULLED OUT

1519
00:43:00,099 --> 00:43:03,070
- WHAT ELSE?

1520
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:05,199
>> IT'S THE BEST BURRITO IN

1521
00:43:05,219 --> 00:43:06,239
TOWN, HI, EVERYBODY!

1522
00:43:06,260 --> 00:43:12,039
>> FOUR HOURS LATER, IT WAS TIME

1523
00:43:12,059 --> 00:43:12,260
TO REST, TO REFUEL WITH A LARGE

1524
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,010
COKE.

1525
00:43:14,030 --> 00:43:17,239
AND RESTOCK HER UNIQUE FOOD

1526
00:43:17,260 --> 00:43:18,039
SUPPLY.

1527
00:43:18,059 --> 00:43:18,239
>> IF I GO TO TOWN IS THERE

1528
00:43:18,260 --> 00:43:19,119
ANYTHING THAT WE NEED THAT WE

1529
00:43:19,139 --> 00:43:24,099
DON'T HAVE?

1530
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:24,269
>> Liz: OREOS.

1531
00:43:24,289 --> 00:43:25,130
>> DO YOU WANT POP TARTS?

1532
00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:25,230
>> Liz: YES.

1533
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:26,130
>> MOMENTS LATER, CANTY WAS BACK

1534
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:26,260
ON THE RUN.

1535
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,289
BUT AS NIGHT FELL AND THE

1536
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:31,179
TEMPERATURE DROPPED, HER

1537
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:36,030
FORTUNES BEGAN TO CHANGE.

1538
00:43:36,050 --> 00:43:36,280
>> BY 3AM SHE STILL HADN'T MADE

1539
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,150
IT BACK TO THE REST AREA,

1540
00:43:37,170 --> 00:43:38,019
LEAVING HER HUSBAND TO FEAR

1541
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:38,210
SHE'D GOTTEN LOST AND VEERED OFF

1542
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:40,239
COURSE.

1543
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:42,090
>> I SUSPECT IF THEY'RE OUT

1544
00:43:42,110 --> 00:43:43,010
THERE THIS LONG THEY'RE NOT

1545
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:47,280
MOVING FAST AND PROBABLY BEING

1546
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:48,070
REALLY COLD.

1547
00:43:48,090 --> 00:43:49,199
SO NOW YOU START TO WONDER, IT'S

1548
00:43:49,219 --> 00:43:50,289
GOTTA BE NAVIGATION ISSUES.

1549
00:43:51,010 --> 00:43:53,199
>> Lazarus: PEOPLE HAVE COME TO

1550
00:43:53,219 --> 00:43:56,250
A ROAD IN DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND

1551
00:43:56,269 --> 00:43:59,090
HAD TO HITCHHIKE BACK.

1552
00:43:59,110 --> 00:44:03,250
>> Mary: IS THAT RIGHT?

1553
00:44:03,269 --> 00:44:04,150
THAT'S REALLY HAPPENED?

1554
00:44:04,170 --> 00:44:04,280
>> Lazarus: OH YEAH.

1555
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,159
>> Mary: AND YOU THINK THAT'S

1556
00:44:05,179 --> 00:44:05,250
FUNNY?

1557
00:44:05,269 --> 00:44:06,079
>> Lazarus: OH YEAH.

1558
00:44:06,099 --> 00:44:06,210
IT'S NOT FUNNY?

1559
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:10,289
[LAUGHS]

1560
00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:12,159
>> FINALLY, JUST BEFORE 6AM,

1561
00:44:12,179 --> 00:44:13,110
AFTER SPENDING ALL NIGHT IN THE

1562
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:15,030
MOUNTAINS, CANTY AND TWO OTHER

1563
00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:19,239
FEMALE RUNNERS FOUND THEIR WAY

1564
00:44:19,260 --> 00:44:20,079
BACK TO CAMP.

1565
00:44:20,099 --> 00:44:21,199
BUT THEY'D MISSED CUT OFF TIME,

1566
00:44:21,219 --> 00:44:23,070
MEANING THAT THE BARKLEY WOULD

1567
00:44:23,090 --> 00:44:25,010
HAVE TO WAIT AT LEAST ONE MORE

1568
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:32,170
YEAR FOR A FEMALE FINISHER.

1569
00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:33,179
AS FOR GREG ARMSTRONG, HE TOO

1570
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:34,059
COULDN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PACE

1571
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:34,219
REQUIRED BY LAZARUS LAKE.

1572
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:39,019
HE FINISHED HIS FIRST 20 MILES

1573
00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:41,030
TOO SLOWLY, AND OUT CAME THE

1574
00:44:41,050 --> 00:44:53,110
BUGLE, TO ANNOUNCE HIS DEFEAT.

1575
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:53,170
♪ ♪

1576
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:54,059
>> Greg: I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

1577
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:54,239
I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

1578
00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:55,119
>> Lazarus: I APPRECIATE YOU

1579
00:44:55,139 --> 00:44:55,260
COMING.

1580
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,139
IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO HAVE YOU

1581
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:57,250
HERE.

1582
00:44:57,269 --> 00:44:59,110
>> IN THE END, THERE WERE NO

1583
00:44:59,130 --> 00:45:01,170
FINISHERS AT THE BARKLEY THIS

1584
00:45:01,190 --> 00:45:02,059
YEAR, AS IN MOST YEARS PAST,

1585
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:03,099
WHICH IS EXACTLY HOW IT'S

1586
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:06,250
SUPPOSED TO BE.

1587
00:45:06,269 --> 00:45:18,170
LAZ WOULDN'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER

1588
00:45:18,190 --> 00:45:19,139
WAY, AND THE RUNNERS WOULDN'T

1589
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:19,210
EITHER.

1590
00:45:19,230 --> 00:45:20,090
IN SPITE OF ALL LAZ PUTS THEM

1591
00:45:20,110 --> 00:45:20,260
THROUGH YEAR AFTER YEAR, HE

1592
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,179
ISN'T REVILED FOR THE RUTHLESS

1593
00:45:21,199 --> 00:45:25,150
RACE HE CREATED, HE'S BELOVED.

1594
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:26,039
>> Lazarus: PEOPLE DON'T

1595
00:45:26,059 --> 00:45:26,219
UNDERSTAND HOW FAR YOU CAN GO.

1596
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:27,110
THEY DON'T REALIZE YOU CAN PUSH

1597
00:45:27,130 --> 00:45:28,000
YOUR BODY BEYOND WHAT YOUR BODY

1598
00:45:28,019 --> 00:45:31,179
CAN DO.

1599
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:32,190
I THINK THE WORST THING THAT

1600
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:33,079
HAPPENS IS YOU NEVER EXPERIENCE

1601
00:45:33,099 --> 00:45:35,000
DISCOMFORT, THEN YOU COME TO

1602
00:45:35,019 --> 00:45:35,179
DREAD IT AND SHY AWAY FROM IT.

1603
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:37,179
AND IT PREVENTS YOU FROM DOING

1604
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:38,210
SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE

1605
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:40,219
ENJOYABLE.

1606
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:41,070
♪ ♪

1607
00:45:41,090 --> 00:45:43,079
>> Bryant: MARY CARILLO IS ON

1608
00:45:43,099 --> 00:45:44,000
THE OTHER SIDE OF FLORIDA.

1609
00:45:44,019 --> 00:45:45,030
MARY, HOW ARE YOU DOING?

1610
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:46,139
>> Mary: I'M A LOT WARMER THAN I

1611
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:47,190
WAS WHEN I WAS SHOOTING THAT

1612
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:48,170
STORY FOR YOU, BRYANT.

1613
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:49,019
>> Bryant: THERE YOU GO.

1614
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:50,199
HEY, MARY, WHAT DOES IT SAY OF

1615
00:45:50,219 --> 00:45:51,090
THOSE PEOPLE WHO SIGN UP FOR THE

1616
00:45:51,110 --> 00:45:51,269
KIND OF ABUSE THEY GET AT THE

1617
00:45:51,289 --> 00:45:55,130
BARKELY?

1618
00:45:55,150 --> 00:45:57,000
>> Mary: YOU KNOW,

1619
00:45:57,019 --> 00:45:59,019
INTERESTINGLY, ALMOST ALL OF THE

1620
00:45:59,039 --> 00:45:59,190
15 PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY

1621
00:45:59,210 --> 00:46:00,070
FINISHED THIS RACE IN THE LAST

1622
00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:00,230
35 YEARS HAVE PHD'S.

1623
00:46:00,250 --> 00:46:03,159
LIZ CANTY, THE WOMAN WE FOLLOWED

1624
00:46:03,179 --> 00:46:05,039
AROUND, IS AN ENGINEER WHO IS

1625
00:46:05,059 --> 00:46:05,230
HELPING TO BUILD THE NEXT LUNAR

1626
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:08,010
LANDER.

1627
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:10,099
I MEAN, THESE PEOPLE ARE

1628
00:46:10,119 --> 00:46:10,289
PROBLEM-SOLVERS BY NATURE, AND

1629
00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:12,079
OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE VERY FIT.

1630
00:46:12,099 --> 00:46:12,280
AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE WILLING TO

1631
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,199
DO ALMOST ANYTHING TO RUN

1632
00:46:13,219 --> 00:46:14,170
THROUGH THE MOUNTAINS OF

1633
00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:15,030
TENNESSEE.

1634
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:16,070
>> Bryant: YEAH, LAZARUS LAKE,

1635
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:20,000
HE SAYS HE'S NOT A SADIST.

1636
00:46:20,019 --> 00:46:21,019
WHAT DO YOU SAY?

1637
00:46:21,039 --> 00:46:22,019
>> Mary: I GOTTA TELL YOU

1638
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:23,039
SOMETHING.

1639
00:46:23,059 --> 00:46:23,230
WHEN I WAS READING UP ON HIM AND

1640
00:46:23,250 --> 00:46:27,250
LOOKING AT VIDEO OF HIM, I

1641
00:46:27,269 --> 00:46:30,050
THOUGHT, "GOD, I'M NOT GONNA

1642
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:30,199
LIKE THIS GUY AT ALL."

1643
00:46:30,219 --> 00:46:32,079
I REALLY ENDED UP LIKING HIM.

1644
00:46:32,099 --> 00:46:33,170
>> Bryant: OH, COME ON, MARY,

1645
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:34,099
YOU KNOW, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY,

1646
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:34,260
"MARY CARILLO WHO LIKES

1647
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,139
EVERYBODY, I GOT THE DISTINCT

1648
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:36,010
FEELING SHE DIDN'T CARE FOR

1649
00:46:36,030 --> 00:46:36,219
LAZARUS LAKE."

1650
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,179
>> Mary: [LAUGHS]

1651
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:38,090
LAZ LAKE IS ON MY LIST OF PEOPLE

1652
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:39,280
I LIKE.

1653
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,179
HE ACTUALLY, THERE'S NOTHING-THE

1654
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:42,219
RACE ITSELF IS SADISTIC.

1655
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,280
BUT, HE'S NOT.

1656
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,059
HE WANTS PEOPLE TO PUSH

1657
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:47,059
THEMSELVES BEYOND WHAT EVEN THEY

1658
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:49,070
THINK THEY COULD DO.

1659
00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:50,079
I REALLY ENDED UP LIKING THIS

1660
00:46:50,099 --> 00:46:51,010
GUY AND I THINK HE'S A CLOSET

1661
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:52,070
SOFTIE.

1662
00:46:52,090 --> 00:46:54,019
>> Bryant: SHOULD ANYONE FINISH

1663
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:54,199
OR WIN THIS, THE BARKLEY, WHAT

1664
00:46:54,219 --> 00:46:55,289
DO THEY GET?

1665
00:46:56,010 --> 00:46:57,119
>> Mary: NOTHING.

1666
00:46:57,139 --> 00:46:59,099
[LAUGHTER]

1667
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:01,250
BLISTERS.

1668
00:47:01,269 --> 00:47:03,039
>> Bryant: HOW PERFECT AN

1669
00:47:03,059 --> 00:47:03,119
ENDING.

1670
00:47:03,139 --> 00:47:04,000
>> Mary: IT'S NOT YOUR AVERAGE

1671
00:47:04,019 --> 00:47:04,250
RACE.

1672
00:47:04,269 --> 00:47:05,090
>> Bryant: YEAH.

1673
00:47:05,110 --> 00:47:06,050
YOU AND I WILL HAVE TO TRY IT

1674
00:47:06,070 --> 00:47:07,030
NEXT YEAR.

1675
00:47:07,050 --> 00:47:08,289
>> Mary: YEAH, SURE.

1676
00:47:09,010 --> 00:47:09,179
IF I'M NOT THERE, START WITHOUT

1677
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:10,079
ME.

1678
00:47:10,099 --> 00:47:10,250
>> Bryant: I'LL TRY.

1679
00:47:10,269 --> 00:47:11,099
HEY, MARY, TAKE CARE OF

1680
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:12,130
YOURSELF.

1681
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:14,260
>> Mary: OKAY.

1682
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,090
>> Bryant: OUR FINAL STORY THIS

1683
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:17,199
EVENING IS AN UPDATE OF A PIECE

1684
00:47:17,219 --> 00:47:19,139
THAT FRANKLY SCARED US THE FIRST

1685
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:20,090
TIME WE AIRED IT ALMOST A DECADE

1686
00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:21,170
AGO.

1687
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:22,269
THAT'S WHEN WE MET SOME OF THE

1688
00:47:22,289 --> 00:47:24,039
MOST DARING SKIERS ON THE

1689
00:47:24,059 --> 00:47:25,059
PLANET, ATHLETES WHO EMBRACED

1690
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,260
THE THRILL OF BACK COUNTRY

1691
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,239
SKIING.

1692
00:47:28,260 --> 00:47:30,099
IT'S A SPORT THAT FEATURES

1693
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:31,119
VIRGIN SNOW AND BREATHTAKING

1694
00:47:31,139 --> 00:47:33,269
MOUNTAINS, OFFSET BY THE

1695
00:47:33,289 --> 00:47:35,159
EVER-PRESENT THREAT OF A

1696
00:47:35,179 --> 00:47:37,119
POTENTIALLY DEADLY AVALANCHE.

1697
00:47:37,139 --> 00:47:38,219
TONIGHT, OUR JON FRANKEL GOES

1698
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,230
BACK TO THE BACK COUNTRY, TO

1699
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:42,059
EXPLAIN WHY THE CORONAVIRUS AND

1700
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:43,030
GLOBAL WARMING HAVE MADE THE

1701
00:47:43,050 --> 00:47:44,090
SPORT MORE TREACHEROUS AND MORE

1702
00:47:44,110 --> 00:47:46,280
DEADLY THAN EVER.

1703
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,010
>> FOR SKIERS, THERE'S ONLY ONE

1704
00:47:48,030 --> 00:47:49,119
THING NOT TO LIKE ABOUT A

1705
00:47:49,139 --> 00:47:52,219
BEAUTIFUL DAY ON THE SLOPES, THE

1706
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,219
CROWDS.

1707
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,230
THEY'RE THE BANE OF THE SKIER'S

1708
00:47:57,250 --> 00:47:58,110
EXISTENCE, AND IN THIS YEAR OF

1709
00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:59,130
SOCIAL DISTANCING, THAT'S NEVER

1710
00:47:59,150 --> 00:48:02,000
BEEN MORE TRUE.

1711
00:48:02,019 --> 00:48:03,090
WHICH MAY EXPLAIN WHY LATELY,

1712
00:48:03,110 --> 00:48:07,050
MORE AND MORE SKIERS HAVE BEEN

1713
00:48:07,070 --> 00:48:07,230
DITCHING PACKED SKI RESORTS.

1714
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:09,050
AND HEEDING THE CALL OF THE

1715
00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:12,239
WILD.

1716
00:48:12,260 --> 00:48:15,130
IT'S CALLED BACKCOUNTRY SKIING.

1717
00:48:15,150 --> 00:48:17,050
AND IT MAY JUST BE THE PERFECT

1718
00:48:17,070 --> 00:48:19,269
SPORT FOR THE PANDEMIC ERA.

1719
00:48:19,289 --> 00:48:22,139
FREE OF CROWDS AND FREE OF

1720
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:23,280
RULES, THE BACKCOUNTRY OFFERS AN

1721
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,289
UNLIMITED EXPERIENCE IN THE

1722
00:48:26,010 --> 00:48:27,079
MOUNTAINS, A TASTE OF FREEDOM IN

1723
00:48:27,099 --> 00:48:30,159
A WORLD OF RESTRAINT.

1724
00:48:30,179 --> 00:48:31,269
>> Kyle: WHEN I'M IN THE

1725
00:48:31,289 --> 00:48:32,239
BACKCOUNTRY, THE SHEER JOY I GET

1726
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:34,130
FROM SKIING IS HARD TO REPLACE.

1727
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:35,280
IT'S LIKE A DRUG.

1728
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,219
I LOVE IT.

1729
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,239
>> FOR KYLE JOHNSTON, BACK

1730
00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:40,000
COUNTRY SKIING OFFERS A RUSH HE

1731
00:48:40,019 --> 00:48:41,090
SAYS HE CAN'T FIND ANYWHERE

1732
00:48:41,110 --> 00:48:44,130
ELSE.

1733
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:46,000
PARTLY FOR THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF

1734
00:48:46,019 --> 00:48:47,170
THE SPORT, PARTLY FOR THE

1735
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:49,239
CHALLENGE, AND PARTLY BECAUSE

1736
00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:51,079
WITH EVERY RUN, HE'S PUTTING HIS

1737
00:48:51,099 --> 00:48:52,139
LIFE AT RISK.

1738
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:53,250
>> Kyle: IT'S A GRAVITY FED

1739
00:48:53,269 --> 00:48:54,199
SPORT.

1740
00:48:54,219 --> 00:48:55,260
YOU GOT CLIFFS, YOU GOT TREES,

1741
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,039
ROCKS.

1742
00:48:57,059 --> 00:48:59,139
IT'S A DANGEROUS ACTIVITY.

1743
00:48:59,159 --> 00:49:00,059
>> BUT THE GREATEST RISK OF ALL

1744
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,099
IS THIS.

1745
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:05,030
>> OH!

1746
00:49:05,050 --> 00:49:05,280
AVALANCHE!

1747
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,130
>> FUCK, FUCK, FUCK, GO!

1748
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:08,219
>> AVALANCHE!

1749
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,099
>> THE DREADED AVALANCHE,

1750
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:16,239
TERRIFYING WHITE WALLS OF SNOW

1751
00:49:16,260 --> 00:49:20,150
THAT RIP DOWN MOUNTAINS AT MORE

1752
00:49:20,170 --> 00:49:21,039
THAN 80 MILES PER HOUR, AND LAY

1753
00:49:21,059 --> 00:49:21,230
WASTE TO ANYTHING IN THEIR PATH.

1754
00:49:21,250 --> 00:49:24,090
>> Kyle: FUCK, FUCK, FUCK!

1755
00:49:24,110 --> 00:49:24,260
>> THIS WINTER, AVALANCHES

1756
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,289
KILLED 36 PEOPLE ACROSS THE

1757
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:31,059
UNITED STATES, THE WORST

1758
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:36,000
SINGLE-SEASON TOTAL IN MODERN

1759
00:49:36,019 --> 00:49:37,059
HISTORY.

1760
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:37,250
AND A MAJORITY OF THE DECEASED

1761
00:49:37,269 --> 00:49:38,130
HAVE BEEN BACK COUNTRY SKIERS.

1762
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:44,079
IN FEBRUARY, KYLE JOHNSTON

1763
00:49:44,099 --> 00:49:44,280
NEARLY JOINED THAT LIST, WHEN HE

1764
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,170
TRIGGERED AN AVALANCHE DURING A

1765
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:45,219
RUN.

1766
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:46,099
>> Kyle: I WAS JUST IN A RIVER

1767
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:46,280
OF MOVING SNOW IT WAS JUST BIG

1768
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,099
CHUNKS OF SNOW AND IT WAS MOVING

1769
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:51,230
REALLY FAST.

1770
00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:52,099
>> Jon: DO YOU EVEN HAVE A

1771
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:52,269
MOMENT TO SAY TO YOURSELF,

1772
00:49:52,289 --> 00:49:55,130
"UH-OH?"

1773
00:49:55,150 --> 00:49:56,179
OR ARE YOU JUST SAYING

1774
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:56,289
"SURVIVE?"

1775
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:57,159
>> Kyle: I THINK IT'S JUST

1776
00:49:57,179 --> 00:49:59,070
SURVIVE.

1777
00:49:59,090 --> 00:50:00,219
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT WAS REALLY

1778
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,030
ROCKY.

1779
00:50:01,050 --> 00:50:01,199
IT JUST DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THE

1780
00:50:01,219 --> 00:50:02,070
HUMAN BODY WOULD GO THROUGH

1781
00:50:02,090 --> 00:50:03,030
ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT WAS, TO

1782
00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:05,190
ME, CERTAIN DEATH.

1783
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:07,059
THE AVALANCHE DROVE JOHNSTON OFF

1784
00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:08,170
THIS 100-FOOT CLIFF, THEN

1785
00:50:08,190 --> 00:50:10,239
DRAGGED HIM ANOTHER 200 YARDS

1786
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:16,050
BEFORE BURYING HIM ALIVE.

1787
00:50:16,070 --> 00:50:16,239
>> RACING THE CLOCK, HIS COUSIN

1788
00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:17,159
MANAGED TO DIG HIM OUT OF THE

1789
00:50:17,179 --> 00:50:18,250
SNOW AND CALL A HELICOPTER FOR

1790
00:50:18,269 --> 00:50:20,219
HELP.

1791
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,139
JOHNSTON SUFFERED A FRACTURED

1792
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:27,269
SPINE, BROKEN RIBS, A COLLAPSED

1793
00:50:27,289 --> 00:50:28,239
LUNG, AND A BRAIN BLEED, BUT

1794
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:30,230
MIRACULOUSLY SURVIVED.

1795
00:50:30,250 --> 00:50:32,099
>> Kyle: I FEEL REALLY, REALLY

1796
00:50:32,119 --> 00:50:33,250
FORTUNATE THAT I WAS WITH A

1797
00:50:33,269 --> 00:50:37,170
PARTNER.

1798
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:43,039
I OWE MY LIFE TO THE GUY.

1799
00:50:43,059 --> 00:50:48,070
>> Jon: WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU

1800
00:50:48,090 --> 00:50:48,210
OWE YOUR LIFE TO HIM.

1801
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:49,050
IS THAT HARD TO SAY?

1802
00:50:49,070 --> 00:50:49,199
IS THAT HARD TO PROCESS?

1803
00:50:49,219 --> 00:50:50,090
>> Kyle: ANY TIME YOU SAY THOSE

1804
00:50:50,110 --> 00:50:50,280
WORDS AND YOU TRULY FEEL IT AND

1805
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:51,179
MEAN IT, IT MAKES YOU REFLECT ON

1806
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:53,059
YOU KNOW LIFE.

1807
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:54,159
>> Jon: WHAT'S YOUR TAKEAWAY

1808
00:50:54,179 --> 00:50:54,239
NOW?

1809
00:50:54,260 --> 00:50:55,179
>> Kyle: LIFE IS PRECIOUS.

1810
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:57,159
SKIING IS FUN.

1811
00:50:57,179 --> 00:51:01,059
IT'S A FINE LINE.

1812
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,139
>> IT'S A LINE THAT BACK COUNTRY

1813
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:04,090
SKIERS HAVE BEEN WALKING FOR

1814
00:51:04,110 --> 00:51:05,030
YEARS, PURSUING ADRENALINE AND

1815
00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:10,250
JOY, AT THE RISK OF THEIR LIVES.

1816
00:51:10,269 --> 00:51:12,190
WE FIRST COVERED THE DANGERS OF

1817
00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:13,079
THE SPORT BACK IN 2012, WHEN WE

1818
00:51:13,099 --> 00:51:13,280
MET PROFESSIONAL SKIER TANNER

1819
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,190
HALL.

1820
00:51:16,210 --> 00:51:17,119
>> Tanner: IT'S NOT SAFE WHAT WE

1821
00:51:17,139 --> 00:51:18,000
DO.

1822
00:51:18,019 --> 00:51:20,110
IT'S NOT, LIKE --

1823
00:51:20,130 --> 00:51:22,090
IT'S NOT LIKE GOLF, YOU KNOW

1824
00:51:22,110 --> 00:51:22,250
WHAT I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE

1825
00:51:22,269 --> 00:51:24,010
BOWLING.

1826
00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:25,219
BUT THAT MAKES THE ADVENTURE

1827
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,130
THAT MUCH MORE INTERESTING.

1828
00:51:27,150 --> 00:51:30,099
>> HALL TOLD US THAT RISK WAS A

1829
00:51:30,119 --> 00:51:31,000
NECESSARY EVIL, FOR HIS SPORT TO

1830
00:51:31,019 --> 00:51:33,159
EVOLVE AND GROW.

1831
00:51:33,179 --> 00:51:34,099
>> DUDES ARE RIDING SUCH GNARLY

1832
00:51:34,119 --> 00:51:41,099
LINES.

1833
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,070
A LOT OF THE TIME THE

1834
00:51:43,090 --> 00:51:45,000
CONSEQUENCE CAN BE DEATH.

1835
00:51:45,019 --> 00:51:47,050
'CAUSE THAT'S JUST WHERE THE

1836
00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:47,239
PROGRESSION OF SKIING IS GOING,

1837
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:47,289
MAN.

1838
00:51:48,010 --> 00:51:48,179
>> Jon: AND ISN'T THAT TOO FAR?

1839
00:51:48,199 --> 00:51:48,280
>> Tanner: NO.

1840
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:49,159
>> Jon: WHY NOT DIAL IT BACK A

1841
00:51:49,179 --> 00:51:49,250
LITTLE BIT?

1842
00:51:49,269 --> 00:51:50,139
>> Tanner: WELL, THEN LET'S STOP

1843
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:50,210
NASCAR.

1844
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:51,039
LET'S STOP INDYCAR.

1845
00:51:51,059 --> 00:51:51,159
LET'S STOP BOXING.

1846
00:51:51,179 --> 00:51:53,219
'CAUSE THAT -- THAT'S NOT THE

1847
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:54,059
ANSWER TO STOP, MAN.

1848
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:54,280
THE ANSWER'S TO KEEP GOIN', MAN.

1849
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,039
LIKE, LET'S KEEP GOIN'.

1850
00:51:58,059 --> 00:51:58,239
I WANT TO LAND ON MARS, YOU KNOW

1851
00:51:58,260 --> 00:52:00,139
WHAT I MEAN?

1852
00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:01,199
FUCK THE MOON!

1853
00:52:01,219 --> 00:52:02,099
>> THAT PROGRESSION HAD BEEN LED

1854
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:04,090
BY PROFESSIONAL BACKCOUNTRY

1855
00:52:04,110 --> 00:52:04,289
SKIERS LIKE CHRIS DAVENPORT, WHO

1856
00:52:05,010 --> 00:52:06,050
WE ALSO MET IN 2012.

1857
00:52:06,070 --> 00:52:07,170
DAVENPORT HAD BECAME ONE OF THE

1858
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:09,079
SPORT'S FIRST CELEBRITIES, FOR

1859
00:52:09,099 --> 00:52:10,269
PERFORMING DEATH-DEFYING

1860
00:52:10,289 --> 00:52:13,250
DESCENTS LIKE THESE IN FILMS.

1861
00:52:13,269 --> 00:52:16,170
>> Jon: YOU HAVE SKIED A NUMBER

1862
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:17,110
OF THINGS, WHERE IF YOU FALL, IT

1863
00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:21,000
IS ALMOST CERTAIN DEATH.

1864
00:52:21,019 --> 00:52:26,079
>> Chris: ABSOLUTELY.

1865
00:52:26,099 --> 00:52:26,269
>> Jon: AND PEOPLE SITTING ON

1866
00:52:26,289 --> 00:52:27,159
THEIR COUCHES AT HOME ARE GONNA

1867
00:52:27,179 --> 00:52:31,070
SAY, "WHY?

1868
00:52:31,090 --> 00:52:31,269
>> Chris: YEAH, THOSE SITUATIONS

1869
00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:32,150
WHERE YOU ARE SO CLOSE TO THE

1870
00:52:32,170 --> 00:52:33,079
EDGE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE I FEEL

1871
00:52:33,099 --> 00:52:42,159
THE MOST IN CONTROL.

1872
00:52:42,179 --> 00:52:43,179
BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE THE

1873
00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:44,039
MOST FOCUSED IN YOUR LIFE.

1874
00:52:44,059 --> 00:52:44,230
THAT'S WHEN THERE'S NOTHING ELSE

1875
00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:45,110
ON YOUR MIND, EXCEPT THAT NEXT

1876
00:52:45,130 --> 00:52:45,170
TURN.

1877
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:46,059
>> BUT DAVENPORT ALSO KNEW THAT

1878
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:46,230
CHASING THAT RUSH COULD MEAN

1879
00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:49,079
PAYING THE ULTIMATE PRICE.

1880
00:52:49,099 --> 00:52:49,250
>> Chris: JUST THIS SEASON,

1881
00:52:49,269 --> 00:52:51,050
ALONE, IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS,

1882
00:52:51,070 --> 00:52:52,090
I'VE LOST FIVE FRIENDS.

1883
00:52:52,110 --> 00:52:53,179
>> Jon: IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS

1884
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:54,239
YOU'VE LOST FIVE FRIENDS?

1885
00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:56,179
>> Chris: YEP.

1886
00:52:56,199 --> 00:52:58,079
EVERY TIME THAT HAPPENS, I JUST

1887
00:52:58,099 --> 00:52:58,260
GET THIS UNBELIEVABLE SINKING

1888
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,289
FEELING.

1889
00:53:00,010 --> 00:53:01,230
AND IT MAKES ME ASSESS WHAT I'M

1890
00:53:01,250 --> 00:53:02,139
DOING.

1891
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:04,039
IT MAKES ME THINK ABOUT RETIRING

1892
00:53:04,059 --> 00:53:05,099
OR QUITTING.

1893
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:07,110
IT MAKES MY JOB REALLY

1894
00:53:07,130 --> 00:53:08,119
DIFFICULT, 'CAUSE MY WIFE AND I

1895
00:53:08,139 --> 00:53:09,119
HAVE TO HAVE -- ANOTHER

1896
00:53:09,139 --> 00:53:10,210
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY IT IS

1897
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:12,159
THAT WE DO WHAT WE DO.

1898
00:53:12,179 --> 00:53:14,230
YEAH, IT'S HORRIBLE, IT'S

1899
00:53:14,250 --> 00:53:15,230
HORRIBLE.

1900
00:53:15,250 --> 00:53:17,159
>> A FEW OF THOSE FRIENDS OF

1901
00:53:17,179 --> 00:53:18,150
DAVENPORT'S HAD BEEN KILLED BY A

1902
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:20,059
MASSIVE AVALANCHE ON THIS

1903
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,159
MOUNTAIN IN WASHINGTON.

1904
00:53:23,179 --> 00:53:25,269
ELYSE SAUGSTAD WAS VERY NEARLY

1905
00:53:25,289 --> 00:53:27,289
ONE OF THEM.

1906
00:53:28,010 --> 00:53:29,090
>> Elyse: I DEFINITELY HAD A FEW

1907
00:53:29,110 --> 00:53:29,269
THOUGHTS THAT, "WOW, THIS --

1908
00:53:29,289 --> 00:53:30,280
THIS COULD BE IT.

1909
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,090
THIS MAY BE THE WAY I END."

1910
00:53:33,110 --> 00:53:34,199
>> SAUGSTAD WAS AMONG A GROUP OF

1911
00:53:34,219 --> 00:53:36,239
SKIERS WHO FOUND THEMSELVES

1912
00:53:36,260 --> 00:53:38,190
TRAPPED IN AN AVALANCHE FOR 45

1913
00:53:38,210 --> 00:53:40,280
TERRIFYING SECONDS.

1914
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,260
>> Elyse: IT'S LIKE YOU'RE IN A

1915
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,280
WASHING MACHINE, AND YOU'RE JUST

1916
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,010
GETTING TUMBLED AND TOSSED AND

1917
00:53:46,030 --> 00:53:49,280
FLIPPED OVER.

1918
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:50,150
IT LITERALLY WAS LIKE I WAS

1919
00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:50,269
BURIED IN CEMENT.

1920
00:53:50,289 --> 00:53:51,159
I COULDN'T EVEN LIFT MY HEAD UP.

1921
00:53:51,179 --> 00:53:52,050
>> Jon: SO YOU WERE JUST LOCKED

1922
00:53:52,070 --> 00:53:52,130
IN THERE?

1923
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:58,170
>> Elyse: COMPLETELY LOCKED IN.

1924
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:59,059
>> THAT IS, UNTIL OTHER SKIERS

1925
00:53:59,079 --> 00:53:59,159
DUG HER OUT.

1926
00:53:59,179 --> 00:54:00,210
SHE WAS THE SOLE SURVIVOR.

1927
00:54:00,230 --> 00:54:02,050
>> Elyse: FOUR OF US WERE SWEPT

1928
00:54:02,070 --> 00:54:02,239
IN, AND I'M THE ONLY ONE TO WALK

1929
00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:10,030
AWAY.

1930
00:54:10,050 --> 00:54:11,050
AND THE GUY THAT HELPED UNBURY

1931
00:54:11,070 --> 00:54:12,239
ME, WE FOUND ONE OF THE VICTIMS

1932
00:54:12,260 --> 00:54:13,119
ABOUT THREE FEET TO MY LEFT.

1933
00:54:13,139 --> 00:54:14,010
>> Jon: THREE FEET TO YOUR LEFT?

1934
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:14,119
>> Elyse: YEAH.

1935
00:54:14,139 --> 00:54:19,159
>> Jon: DID YOU FEEL LUCKY AT

1936
00:54:19,179 --> 00:54:20,030
THAT MOMENT OR DID YOU FEEL

1937
00:54:20,050 --> 00:54:20,099
GUILTY?

1938
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:20,289
>> Elyse: OH, YOU HAVE ALL THOSE

1939
00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:24,260
THOUGHTS.

1940
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,099
YOU FEEL LUCKY.

1941
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:27,239
YOU FEEL GUILTY.

1942
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:28,130
WHY ME?

1943
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:29,010
>> BUT FOR ALL THE DANGERS OF

1944
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:29,179
SKIING THE BACK COUNTRY, FOR

1945
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:33,260
MANY THE ALLURE REMAINS STRONG,

1946
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,199
AND OVER THE PAST YEAR, IT'S

1947
00:54:34,219 --> 00:54:35,030
GROWN ONLY STRONGER.

1948
00:54:35,050 --> 00:54:35,260
WHEN US SKI RESORTS CLOSED IN

1949
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,050
MARCH OF 2020, AFTER THE ARRIVAL

1950
00:54:39,070 --> 00:54:40,239
OF THE CORONAVIRUS, SKIERS

1951
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:43,119
QUICKLY TURNED TO THE

1952
00:54:43,139 --> 00:54:44,110
BACKCOUNTRY TO GET THEIR FIX,

1953
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:45,289
FLOODING INTO THE WILDERNESS IN

1954
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:48,099
RECORD NUMBERS.

1955
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:50,190
AND THIS WINTER, AMERICANS

1956
00:54:50,210 --> 00:54:51,269
SEEKING AN ESCAPE FROM THE RULES

1957
00:54:51,289 --> 00:54:53,099
AND RESTRICTIONS OF THE PANDEMIC

1958
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:54,230
HAVE FUELED A RECORD SURGE IN

1959
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:56,079
THE PURCHASE OF BACK COUNTRY SKI

1960
00:54:56,099 --> 00:54:57,170
GEAR.

1961
00:54:57,190 --> 00:55:05,130
THERE'S JUST ONE PROBLEM.

1962
00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:06,010
MORE SKIERS IN THE MOUNTAINS

1963
00:55:06,030 --> 00:55:06,190
MEANS MORE CHANCE ONE OF THEM

1964
00:55:06,210 --> 00:55:07,079
DISTURBS THE SNOW AND TRIGGERS

1965
00:55:07,099 --> 00:55:07,260
AN AVALANCHE, WHICH MAY HELP

1966
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,070
EXPLAIN THIS YEAR'S HISTORIC

1967
00:55:12,090 --> 00:55:17,210
AVALANCHE DEATH TOLL.

1968
00:55:17,230 --> 00:55:21,079
>> Craig: IT'S A DENSITY THING.

1969
00:55:21,099 --> 00:55:24,059
YOU'VE GOT MORE PEOPLE IN THE

1970
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:24,179
BACK COUNTRY.

1971
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:25,059
YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY GONNA HAVE

1972
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:25,159
MORE TRIGGERS.

1973
00:55:25,179 --> 00:55:26,050
AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU

1974
00:55:26,070 --> 00:55:26,230
ARE, UNFORTUNATELY, GONNA HAVE

1975
00:55:26,250 --> 00:55:27,090
MORE AVALANCHE FATALITIES.

1976
00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:30,289
AS AN AVALANCHE FORECASTER, WE

1977
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:32,099
KNEW THAT THIS WAS GONNA BE A

1978
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:32,260
CATASTROPHIC WINTER.

1979
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,139
>> EVERYDAY CRAIG GORDON HEADS

1980
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:34,030
DEEP INTO THE MOUNTAINS OF HIS

1981
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:34,230
HOME STATE OF UTAH TO STUDY SNOW

1982
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:37,179
CONDITIONS AND GAUGE AVALANCHE

1983
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:40,179
RISK.

1984
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:41,070
GORDON SAYS THAT THIS WINTER HAS

1985
00:55:41,090 --> 00:55:44,219
SEEN NOT JUST ONE BUT TWO TRENDS

1986
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:49,190
CONVERGE TO CREATE UNUSUALLY

1987
00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:50,199
DANGEROUS CONDITIONS.

1988
00:55:50,219 --> 00:55:51,090
NOT ONLY ARE MORE PEOPLE SKIING

1989
00:55:51,110 --> 00:55:54,039
IN THE BACK COUNTRY, BUT THEY'RE

1990
00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:54,239
DOING IT ON A POWDER KEG, THANKS

1991
00:55:54,260 --> 00:55:58,250
TO THE EFFECTS OF GLOBAL

1992
00:55:58,269 --> 00:55:59,119
WARMING.

1993
00:55:59,139 --> 00:56:00,280
AN UNUSUALLY WARM WINTER IN THE

1994
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:02,170
MOUNTAINS OF THE AMERICAN WEST

1995
00:56:02,190 --> 00:56:03,050
CREATED AN EXTREMELY UNSTABLE

1996
00:56:03,070 --> 00:56:03,219
AND SENSITIVE BASE LAYER OF

1997
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,139
SNOW.

1998
00:56:06,159 --> 00:56:10,230
THAT MEANS THAT ANY DISRUPTION

1999
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:11,159
TO THE SURFACE, SPECIFICALLY,

2000
00:56:11,179 --> 00:56:12,050
THE ACTIVITY OF A SKIER, CAN

2001
00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:16,269
EASILY BREAK THE SNOW LOOSE AND

2002
00:56:16,289 --> 00:56:18,159
START A DEADLY DOMINO EFFECT.

2003
00:56:18,179 --> 00:56:19,050
GORDON DUG DEEP INTO A SNOW BANK

2004
00:56:19,070 --> 00:56:19,219
TO SHOW US THE HAZARD HIDDEN

2005
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,239
BELOW.

2006
00:56:21,260 --> 00:56:31,239
>> Craig: RIGHT IN HERE, THIS IS

2007
00:56:31,260 --> 00:56:32,090
THIS WEAK SUGARY LAYER.

2008
00:56:32,110 --> 00:56:32,269
YOU KNOW YOU CAN SEE HOW THIS

2009
00:56:32,289 --> 00:56:33,150
JUST BECOMES VERY POROUS HERE

2010
00:56:33,170 --> 00:56:34,030
AND IT LOOKS SORT OF LIKE ROCK

2011
00:56:34,050 --> 00:56:35,199
SALT, RIGHT.

2012
00:56:35,219 --> 00:56:36,090
NOW HERE'S THE ISSUE THIS IS

2013
00:56:36,110 --> 00:56:36,280
GOING TO BE WEAK SNOW DOWN HERE.

2014
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,110
THIS IS GOING TO BE STRONGER

2015
00:56:38,130 --> 00:56:39,090
SNOW.

2016
00:56:39,110 --> 00:56:40,110
SO DENSE SNOW AND THEN LOOSER

2017
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:41,000
SNOW NOW WHAT THE SNOWPACK WAITS

2018
00:56:41,019 --> 00:56:45,119
FOR IS A TRIGGER LIKE US TO ROLL

2019
00:56:45,139 --> 00:56:47,280
ALONG, COME HERE, PULL THE RUG

2020
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,170
OUT FROM UNDERNEATH, AND NOW THE

2021
00:56:48,190 --> 00:56:53,280
ENTIRE ROOF IS CRASHING DOWN ON

2022
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,039
TOP OF US.

2023
00:56:57,059 --> 00:56:57,230
>> ARE YOU FAMILIAR THEN KIND OF

2024
00:56:57,250 --> 00:56:58,170
LIKE THIS CRUST PASSED THE

2025
00:56:58,190 --> 00:56:59,179
SANDWICH THAT'S GOING ON OUT

2026
00:56:59,199 --> 00:56:59,250
HERE?

2027
00:56:59,269 --> 00:57:00,090
>> A LITTLE BIT.

2028
00:57:00,110 --> 00:57:00,219
I'VE BEEN WATCHING.

2029
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:05,090
>> WHICH IS WHY THIS WINTER

2030
00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:05,269
GORDON HAS BEEN TRAVELING TO

2031
00:57:05,289 --> 00:57:06,139
DANGEROUS PARTS OF THE BACK

2032
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:07,010
COUNTRY TO INTERCEPT SKIERS,

2033
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:07,210
MAKING SURE THEY KNOW THE RISKS,

2034
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:08,059
AND TAKE EVERY POSSIBLE

2035
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,119
PRECAUTION TO AVOID DISASTER.

2036
00:57:11,139 --> 00:57:12,019
>> Craig: BECAUSE THE METHOD OF

2037
00:57:12,039 --> 00:57:12,260
THE MADNESS IS: THE MORE BOOTS

2038
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,010
THAT ARE ON THE GROUND PREACHING

2039
00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:19,019
THE AVALANCHE GOSPEL, ONE ON ONE

2040
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:21,250
AND TALKING TO PEOPLE.

2041
00:57:21,269 --> 00:57:23,090
THAT'S WHERE WE MAKE THE

2042
00:57:23,110 --> 00:57:24,019
DIFFERENCE.

2043
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:24,269
I MADE IT MY MANTRA, MY GOAL, MY

2044
00:57:24,289 --> 00:57:30,230
MISSION, TO SAVE AS MANY LIVES

2045
00:57:30,250 --> 00:57:31,079
AS I COULD.

2046
00:57:31,099 --> 00:57:31,269
>> THAT'S LIGHT FLUFFY SNOW AND,

2047
00:57:31,289 --> 00:57:36,000
>> GORDON KNOWS THAT HIS WORK

2048
00:57:36,019 --> 00:57:40,170
WILL NEVER BE DONE.

2049
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:43,079
THESE UNSTABLE SNOW CONDITIONS

2050
00:57:43,099 --> 00:57:43,260
ARE EXPECTED TO ONLY WORSEN

2051
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,070
GOING FORWARD.

2052
00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:45,130
AS RISING GLOBAL TEMPERATURES

2053
00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:49,289
FUEL MORE WARM AND UNPREDICTABLE

2054
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:52,039
WINTERS AND CONTINUE TO INCREASE

2055
00:57:52,059 --> 00:57:52,159
AVALANCHE DANGER.

2056
00:57:52,179 --> 00:57:53,039
BUT FEW EXPECT ANY OF THAT TO

2057
00:57:53,059 --> 00:57:53,219
KEEP BACK COUNTRY SKIERS AWAY.

2058
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:54,280
LIKE KYLE JOHNSTON, WHO IS ALL

2059
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,010
TOO FAMILIAR WITH THE FINE LINE

2060
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:59,260
BETWEEN LIFE AND DEATH IN THE

2061
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,099
MOUNTAINS.

2062
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:02,219
HE SAYS THAT ONCE HE'S FULLY

2063
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:04,019
HEALED, HE'LL BE BACK IN THE

2064
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:05,190
BACKCOUNTRY,

2065
00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:11,030
>> Jon: DO YOU ENVISION YOURSELF

2066
00:58:11,050 --> 00:58:12,110
GETTING BACK OUT ON SKIS?

2067
00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:14,059
HAVE YOU PICTURED IT?

2068
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:14,219
>> Kyle: YEAH, EVERY DAY.

2069
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:15,030
IT'S A PASSION.

2070
00:58:15,050 --> 00:58:15,119
IT'S A LOVE.

2071
00:58:15,139 --> 00:58:16,280
I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE TO SAY IT.

2072
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,010
I LOVE THE MOUNTAINS.

2073
00:58:19,030 --> 00:58:19,110
I LOVE SKIING.

2074
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:19,289
>> Jon: ARE YOU SCARED TO GET

2075
00:58:20,010 --> 00:58:22,090
BACK OUT THERE?

2076
00:58:22,110 --> 00:58:22,280
>> Kyle: YOU KNOW, I MIGHT BE A

2077
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:23,090
LITTLE GUN SHY.

2078
00:58:23,110 --> 00:58:23,260
BUT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO

2079
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,150
HAVING THAT JOY OF SKIING, AND

2080
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:25,199
THE WIND THROUGH YOUR HAIR, AND

2081
00:58:25,219 --> 00:58:29,119
JUST THE FREEDOM.

2082
00:58:29,139 --> 00:58:29,289
♪ ♪

2083
00:58:30,010 --> 00:58:31,079
>> Bryant: ONE QUICK POSTSCRIPT:

2084
00:58:31,099 --> 00:58:31,280
DEALING WITH A DEADLY AVALANCHE

2085
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:32,260
SEASON IS NOT JUST AN AMERICAN

2086
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,250
EXPERIENCE.

2087
00:58:34,269 --> 00:58:36,170
ACROSS EUROPE THIS WINTER,

2088
00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:37,269
NEARLY 100 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN

2089
00:58:37,289 --> 00:58:39,090
KILLED BY AVALANCHES, INCLUDING

2090
00:58:39,110 --> 00:58:42,230
A TWO-TIME OLYMPIAN WHO WAS

2091
00:58:42,250 --> 00:58:44,260
SNOWBOARDING IN THE BACKCOUNTRY

2092
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,130
OF THE SWISS ALPS.

2093
00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:48,039
AND THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR THIS

2094
00:58:48,059 --> 00:58:48,110
EVENING.

2095
00:58:48,130 --> 00:58:49,000
FOR ALL THE GOOD FOLKS AT "REAL

2096
00:58:49,019 --> 00:58:49,170
SPORTS," I'M BRYANT GUMBEL.

2097
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:50,059
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR BEING

2098
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:50,170
WITH US.

2099
00:58:50,190 --> 00:58:51,110
PLEASE STAY SAFE.

2100
00:58:51,130 --> 00:58:52,130
AND GOOD NIGHT.