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>> THE FOLLOWING IS A

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>> Narrator: TONIGHT, ON "REAL

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SPORTS"...

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DESPITE STATED PROMISES

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OF FAIRNESS AND OPPORTUNITY,

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THERE'S STILL A PAUCITY OF BLACK

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HEAD COACHES IN THE NFL, A FACT

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THAT HAS LEFT VETERAN COACHES OF

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COLOR SPEAKING OUT ABOUT HOW AND

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WHY THEY'RE NOT BEING VIEWED OR

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TREATED AS THE EQUAL OF THEIR

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WHITE PEERS.

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>> WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEM.

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THEY DON'T VIEW ME, EVEN THOUGH

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I'VE GOT A COLLEGE DEGREE, I'VE

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BEEN TO FIVE SUPER BOWLS, I'M A

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PRIVATE PILOT, I COULD GO ON AND

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ON.

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BUT I'M NOT VIEWED AS EQUAL.

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>> Narrator: HE HAS CLIMBED THE

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WORLD'S COLDEST PEAKS IN NOTHING

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BUT SHORTS.

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HE HAS RUN A HALF-MARATHON IN

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THE ARCTIC, AND HE HAS GONE

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SWIMMING UNDER 200-FOOT SHEETS

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OF ICE.

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HE IS WIM HOF, AND HE HAS

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MADE A LIVING BY PUSHING THE

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LIMITS OF ENDURANCE IN THE

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EXTREME COLD.

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>> TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE FEELING

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RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN

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REACT.

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MY BODY IS READY.

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IT KNOWS.

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SO THE COLD, I CAN FEEL THE

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COLD, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

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>> Narrator: ALTHOUGH MUCH OF

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AMERICAN SOCIETY REMAINS SHUT

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DOWN OR SCALED BACK AMID THE

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PANDEMIC, THE BUSINESS OF YOUTH

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SPORTS HAS HARDLY SLOWED.

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WORSE YET, THOSE INVOLVED CAN

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SEEM UNCONCERNED THAT THEIR

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GAMES ARE ENDANGERING THE LIVES

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OF OTHERS BY TRIGGERING

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NATIONWIDE.

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>> DO YOU NOT ACCEPT THAT

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BRINGING THOUSANDS OF KIDS

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TOGETHER IN THIS PERIOD, IN THE

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MIDST OF A RAGING PANDEMIC --

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RISKS A WORSENING --

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>> SITUATION?

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>> ACCEPT IT.

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>> Narrator: CHESS MAY WELL BE

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THE OLDEST GAME STILL WIDELY

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PLAYED AROUND THE WORLD, BUT

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THAT OLD GAME GOT NEW LIFE OVER

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THE PAST YEAR AS A HIT TV SHOW

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MADE THE GAME COOL, WHILE THE

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PANDEMIC DROVE MILLIONS INSIDE

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AND ONTO CHESS WEBSITES.

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>> CHESS NOW HAS ONLINE

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INFLUENCERS.

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>> COULD YOU HAVE PREDICTED

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THAT, I DON'T KNOW, TEN YEARS

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AGO?

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FIVE YEARS AGO?

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PREDICTED ALL OF IT.

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IT JUST -- IT JUST CAME OUR

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WAY ALL OF A SUDDEN.

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YOU KNOW, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?

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>> Announcer: AND NOW, YOUR

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HOST, BRYANT GUMBEL.

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>> Bryant: GOOD EVENING, AND

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WELCOME TO "REAL SPORTS," WHERE

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WE BEGIN WITH A STORY ABOUT THE

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VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORDS

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AMID THE NATIONAL RECKONING

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GEORGE FLOYD, THE NFL THIS PAST

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SEASON SAID ALL THE RIGHT THINGS

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ABOUT RACE, EQUALITY AND

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OPPORTUNITY, BUT OVER THE PAST

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MONTH, AS SEVEN TEAMS SIGNED NEW

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HEAD COACHES, IT WAS TROUBLING

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TO SEE JUST HOW LITTLE HAS

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PROPONENTS LIKE TO CLAIM THAT

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THE NFL IS A COLORBLIND

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MERITOCRACY, BUT FACTS TO THE

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CONTRARY ARE STILL AS CLEAR AS

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BLACK AND WHITE.

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WHILE AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE

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ABOUT 70% OF THE GAME'S PLAYERS,

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THEY'RE JUST 9% OF THE HEAD

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COACHES.

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ON THE HEELS OF YET ANOTHER

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DISAPPOINTING HIRING SEASON,

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BLACK VETERANS IN THE NFL'S

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COACHING RANKS ARE

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UNDERSTANDABLY ANGRY,

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FRUSTRATED, AND TIRED OF

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WAITING.

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AND SO MANY OF THEM ARE SPEAKING

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OUT.

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NUMBERS.

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IT'S NOT EQUAL.

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WE FEEL LIKE EVERY TIME THAT WE

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REACH THE PLAYING FIELD,

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THE GOAL LINE CHANGES.

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>> MY FATHER TOLD ME, YOU KNOW,

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A LONG TIME AGO THAT, "YOU'RE

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GONNA HAVE TO BE TWICE AS GOOD."

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WHEN I WALK IN, I AM LESSER.

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ARE IS UNACCEPTABLE.

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>> Narrator: AS THE SIDELINE

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LEADERS IN AMERICA'S MOST

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POPULAR GAME, NFL HEAD COACHES

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HAVE LONG BEEN AMONG THE MOST

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PROFESSIONAL SPORTS, OFTEN THE

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FACE OF A FRANCHISE, BUT FOR

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DECADES, THAT FACE WAS ALWAYS

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WHITE.

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IT STAYED THAT WAY UNTIL 1989.

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ART SHELL WILL REPLACE

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MIKE SHANAHAN AS HEAD COACH OF

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THE REELING RAIDERS.

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SHELL NOW BECOMES PRO FOOTBALL'S

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FIRST BLACK HEAD COACH SINCE

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FRITZ POLLARD IN THE '20s.

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PROGRESS OVER THE FOLLOWING

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YEARS, PROMINENT CIVIL RIGHTS

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LAWYERS CYRUS MEHRI AND JOHNNIE

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COCHRAN BLITZED THE NFL AND SAID

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THEY'D SUE THE LEAGUE, IF IT DID

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NOT CHANGE ITS WAYS, A STORY

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WE COVERED IN 2002.

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>> SO PEOPLE SAY ALL THE TIME,

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"WELL, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TIME,"

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BRYANT.

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YOU KNOW WHAT?

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THEY'VE TAKEN THE TIME OF

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OUR GRANDPARENTS, OUR TIME.

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IT.

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>> Narrator: THE NFL RESPONDED

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TEAMS INTERVIEW AT LEAST ONE

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NAMED FOR THE OWNER OF THE

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PITTSBURGH STEELERS WHO WAS ITS

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CHIEF SPONSOR.

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THEM TO FIND THE BEST PERSON

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USHER IN THE START OF A NEW

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ROONEY HIMSELF HIRED A LITTLE

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KNOWN 34-YEAR-OLD COACH NAMED

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PART ONE OF THE MOST STORIED

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INSTITUTED, THE HEAD COACHING

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NUMBERS HAVE NOT CHANGED.

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ALTHOUGH THE LEAGUE HAS 32

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TEAMS, THERE WERE THREE BLACK

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HEAD COACHES 18 YEARS AGO, AND

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THERE ARE THREE NOW.

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US EXPECTED US TO BE SITTING AT

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FAILURE, FROM -- FROM MY

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MORE GAMES THAN ANY BLACK HEAD

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IN 2009 HE LED THE STEELERS TO A

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SUPER BOWL TITLE.

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>> Bryant: YOU'VE BEEN IN THE

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ROOM AT THE OWNERS' MEETINGS

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WHEN THIS IS DISCUSSED.

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I KNOW YOU HEAR THE RIGHT

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US ARE USED TO HEARING STUFF AND

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KNOWING BULLSHIT WHEN WE HEAR

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IF IT IS AT THE TIME.

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BUT I KNOW THAT THE RESULTS ARE,

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JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS, URBAN

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MEYER.

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DETROIT LIONS, DAN CAMPBELL.

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LOS ANGELES CHARGERS, BRANDON

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NEW HIRES, WHAT BOTHERS TOMLIN

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EXTRAORDINARY NUMBER OF HIGHLY

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QUALIFIED AND CLEARLY TALENTED

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BLACK COACHES WHO ARE ALREADY IN

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THE PIPELINE, ARE BEING

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CONSTANTLY OVERLOOKED.

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THAT PIPELINE WAS ON FULL

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DISPLAY AT THE SUPER BOWL,

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WHERE THREE OF THE FOUR

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COORDINATORS, THE MEN GUIDING

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THE OFFENSES AND DEFENSES OF

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BOTH TEAMS, WERE BLACK.

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YET NONE OF THEM WERE ASKED TO

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FILL THIS YEAR'S HEAD COACHING

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VACANCIES.

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WHO ARE COORDINATORS, THERE'S

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EXAMPLES OF THAT.

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PROVEN, CAPABLE LEADER, THERE'S

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JIM CALDWELL AND MARVIN LEWIS.

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AND RAHEEM MORRIS AND OTHERS.

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MINORITY CANDIDATES, NO MATTER

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WHAT THE PROFILE.

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PROMINENT AFRICAN AMERICAN

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COACH, TOMLIN IS OFTEN A

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FEATURED SPEAKER AT NFL EVENTS

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LIKE THIS ONE, DIVERSITY

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WORKSHOPS FOR YOUNG BLACK

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COACHES.

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UNTIL NOW, HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN

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ENTHUSIASTIC PARTICIPANT.

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>> THE VERY EXISTENCE OF THOSE

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WORKSHOPS SOMEHOW INDICATES THAT

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THERE IS A LACK OF TALENT IN THE

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MINORITY POOL OR A LACK OF

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READINESS.

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AND THAT IS UNTRUE.

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>> Bryant: IT LEADS THE PUBLIC

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TO BELIEVE THAT, OH, THIS IS

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WHERE GUYS CAN ACTUALLY LEARN

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THEIR CRAFT, WHEN IN FACT, GUYS

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HAVE ALREADY PROVEN THEIR

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EXPERTISE OF THE CRAFT BUT CAN'T

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GET THE OPPORTUNITY.

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>> CERTAINLY.

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THEY'RE -- THEY'RE NICE

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FELLOWSHIP WEEKENDS, YOU KNOW,

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WHERE WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO O

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CATCH UP WITH ONE ANOTHER, BUT

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IT'S NOT THE WEEKENDS THEY'RE --

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THEY'RE MADE OUT TO BE.

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WE JUST CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO THE

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SAME THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE AND

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THINK THAT THE OUTCOME IS GONNA

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CHANGE.

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>> Narrator: IT'S NOT JUST THIS

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YEAR'S HIRING NUMBERS THAT ARE

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DISTURBING.

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OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THERE

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HAVE BEEN 27 HEAD COACHES HIRED

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IN THE NFL, AND JUST THREE WERE

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BLACK.

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THREE.

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GIVEN THE EVIDENCE, IT

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WOULD BE EASY TO CONCLUDE THAT

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THE ROONEY RULE CAN'T WORK.

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BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE.

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ACCORDING TO UNIVERSITY OF

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COLORADO BUSINESS PROFESSOR

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STEFANIE JOHNSON, SOME OF THE

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COUNTRY'S TOP CEOS HAVE

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ACTUALLY ADOPTED THE ROONEY RULE

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AND MADE IT WORK.

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>> THE ONES THAT ARE MAKING IT

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WORK HAVE AN AUTHENTIC DESIRE TO

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CREATE MORE DIVERSITY.

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IT'S NOT SOMEONE TELLING THEM TO

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DO IT.

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IT'S THAT THEY BELIEVE IT'S

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REALLY IMPROVING BOTTOM LINE

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OUTCOMES.

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>> Bryant: SO AN OWNER NEEDS TO

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BE CONVINCED THAT IT'S IN HIS

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BEST INTERESTS TO LOOK AT AN

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AFRICAN AMERICAN CANDIDATE AS HE

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WOULD A WHITE CANDIDATE?

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>> YOU GOT IT.

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WHEN MORE AND MORE STUDIES

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STARTED COMING OUT SHOWING THAT

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THERE'S REAL BENEFITS IN TERMS

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OF RECRUITMENT, RETENTION, THEN

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COMPANIES REALLY STARTED TO TAKE

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NOTICE.

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>> Narrator: PROFESSOR JOHNSON

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SAYS IT IS HUMAN NATURE TO HIRE

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PEOPLE WHO ARE MOST LIKE US, BUT

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DOING SO CAN BE DEVASTATING

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FOR YOUR BUSINESS.

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>> THE MORE SIMILAR WE ARE, THE

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MORE LIKELY THAT OUR MISTAKES

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ARE THE SAME.

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AND THAT MEANS THAT I CAN'T SEE

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YOUR MISTAKE AS AN ERROR,

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BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE SAID THE

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SAME EXACT THING, RIGHT?

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>> Bryant: IN SIMPLISTIC TERMS,

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IF YOU HIRED A BLACK GUY AND I

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HIRED A WHITE WOMAN, WE'D EACH

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LEARN SOMETHING WE PROBABLY

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COULDN'T FORESEE.

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>> EXACTLY.

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AND THAT'S THE POINT, THAT YOU

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COULDN'T FORESEE IT.

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RIGHT?

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YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T

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KNOW.

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>> Narrator: DESPITE SUCH

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EVIDENCE, NFL OWNERS HAVE STUCK

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TO AN OLD GAME PLAN WHEN IT

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COMES TO HIRING HEAD COACHES,

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AND THAT IN TURN HAS SENT MORALE

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AMONG BLACK COACHES PLUMMETING

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TO A NEW LOW.

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IT'S NOW SO BAD THAT THIS MONTH

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FOOTBALL AGENT BRIAN LEVY

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CONVENED A ZOOM MEETING FOR

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MANY OF THE BLACK COACHES HE

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REPRESENTS TO TALK ABOUT THE

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ROONEY RULE.

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>> ALL RIGHT, GUYS...

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>> Narrator: HE INVITED US TO

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RECORD THE SESSION.

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TIM WALTON IS THE CORNERBACKS

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COACH FOR THE JACKSONVILLE

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JAGUARS.

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>> YOU SEE GUYS THAT ARE NOT AS

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QUALIFIED THAT JUMP AHEAD OF

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YOU, GUYS THAT YOU HAVE TRAINED

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AND THAT WERE UNDER YOU FOR

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YEARS THAT -- THAT JUMP.

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AND NOW, SO WHAT IS THE

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CRITERIA?

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YOU KNOW, THE RESUME DOESN'T

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MATTER ANYMORE.

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>> EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, I

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KNOW HOW HARD YOU WORK.

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I KNOW HOW YOU GUYS GOTTA PUT ON

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A STRONG FRONT, BUT I KNOW HOW

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MUCH IT HURTS YOU.

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>> THESE OWNERS ARE NOT BUDGING

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ON IT, JUST TO BE FRANK ABOUT

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IT.

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>> Narrator: LARRY FOOTE IS THE

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OUTSIDE LINEBACKERS COACH FOR

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THE SUPER BOWL CHAMPION TAMPA

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BAY BUCCANEERS.

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>> AS A YOUNG COACH IN THIS

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LEAGUE, YOU'RE GONNA HURT

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YOUNG COACHES OF COLOR, JUST OUR

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DRIVE AND PASSION, 'CAUSE WE

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KNOW WE TOPPED OFF.

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WE KNOW THERE'S -- WE'RE NOT

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GONNA HAVE A LEGITIMATE SHOT.

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AND WHEN YOU KNOW THAT, YOU

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DON'T GIVE -- YOU DON'T DO YOUR

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BEST.

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>> Narrator: DAVID OVERSTREET

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COACHES DEFENSIVE BACKS FOR THE

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INDIANAPOLIS COLTS.

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>> YOU SEE THE BLACK NAME AND

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YOU'RE LIKE, "OH, HE'S THE

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ROONEY.

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THAT'S WHY HE'S INTERVIEWING.

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HE'S -- HE'S THE ROONEY."

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HE'S NOT GETTING THE

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INTERVIEW BECAUSE HE'S THE

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QUALIFIED COACH.

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HE'S GETTING THE INTERVIEW

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BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HIT THAT

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QUOTA.

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NOW YOU HAVE THE WEIGHT OF THE

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ENTIRE RACE ON YOUR SHOULDERS.

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YOU HAVE TO BE REPRESENTATIVE OF

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EVERYBODY.

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THAT'S NOT HOW IT SHOULD BE.

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IT -- IT'S -- IT'S JUST

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RIDICULOUS.

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>> Narrator: IT WENT ON LIKE

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THIS FOR MORE THAN AN HOUR.

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PART WORKSHOP, PART THERAPY

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SESSION.

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COACHES AT DIFFERENT STAGES OF

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THEIR CAREER, ALL WONDERING JUST

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HOW MUCH THEIR RACE MIGHT LIMIT

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THEIR NFL FUTURES.

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>> WHEN YOU APPROACHED ME ABOUT

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DOING THIS, I SAID, "I HAVE TO

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DO IT.

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I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO

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BE A VOICE FOR THESE COACHES."

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>> Narrator: MARVIN LEWIS WAS

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THE HEAD COACH OF THE CINCINNATI

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BENGALS FOR 16 YEARS.

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HE WAS FIRED TWO YEARS AGO, AND

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DESPITE SEVERAL INTERVIEWS SINCE

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THEN, REMAINS OUT OF THE LEAGUE.

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>> Bryant: YOU FALL INTO ANOTHER

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CATEGORY ALONG WITH THE LESLIE

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FRAZIERS OF THE WORLD, WHICH IS

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AN AFRICAN AMERICAN HEAD COACH

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WHO CAN'T SEEM TO GET A SECOND

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CHANCE, WHEN THE ADAM GASES, THE

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DOUG MARRONES DO GET A SECOND

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CHANCE.

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DOES THAT HURT?

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>> IT'S -- IT'S -- IT'S -- IT'S

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WONDERSOME.

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I GUESS THAT'S THE WORD I WOULD

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USE.

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IT MAKES YOU QUESTION IT.

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YOU JUST HAD BRUCE ARIANS HAVE

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ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AND -- AND

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WIN THE SUPER BOWL.

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IT'S GREAT.

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BUT HE'S OBVIOUSLY A FEW YEARS

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OLDER THAN EVEN I AM, BUT HE

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GETS THAT SECOND OPPORTUNITY.

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>> Narrator: TODAY LEWIS IS

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ASSISTANT TO THE HEAD COACH AT

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ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY,

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WORKING FOR HERMAN EDWARDS, THE

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FORMER HEAD COACH OF THE NEW

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YORK JETS, WHO, 18 YEARS AGO,

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SIMPLIFIED FOR US THE REALITY OF

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NFL HIRING.

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>> WHO'S EVER TEAM YOU WORK FOR,

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THAT'S THE OWNER'S COMPANY.

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>> Bryant: HE CAN DO WHAT HE

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WANTS.

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>> WELL, BASICALLY.

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I MEAN, WITHIN THE RULES.

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I DON'T THINK ALL OF A SUDDEN WE

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CAN START TELLING PEOPLE THAT

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OWN FOOTBALL TEAMS HOW TO RUN

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THEIR COMPANY.

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I DON'T THINK THAT WILL FLY.

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[LAUGHS]

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>> Narrator: WE WANTED TO SPEAK

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WITH THE NFL, BUT THEY DECLINED

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OUR REQUEST FOR AN INTERVIEW,

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REFERRING US INSTEAD TO RECENT

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STATEMENTS COMMISSIONER ROGER

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GOODELL MADE BEFORE THE SUPER

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BOWL.

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THE SAME KIND OF STATEMENT HE'S

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MADE YEAR AFTER YEAR, AFTER

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YEAR.

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>> IT WASN'T WHAT WE EXPECTED,

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AND IT'S NOT WHAT WE EXPECT

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GOING FORWARD.

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THEY'RE NOT THE OUTCOMES WE

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WANTED.

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>> Narrator: THOSE WORDS ARE OF

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SMALL CONSOLATION TO VETERAN

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COACHES OF COLOR LIKE RAY

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HORTON, WHO WONDER IF THE ROONEY

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RULE EVER REALLY OFFERED HIM

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ANYTHING MORE THAN AN

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UNREALISTIC HOPE.

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>> WHEN I WALK IN, MY FIRST

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THOUGHT IS, "IS THIS A REAL

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INTERVIEW?"

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>> Bryant: WHAT'S THE GAME

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PLAN?

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WHAT ARE YOU STRESSING?

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>> REALLY, MY WHOLE THING WAS "I

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AM LIKE YOU.

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I'M SMART, INTELLIGENT,

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ENGAGING.

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I'M FUNNY.

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DETERMINED."

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>> Narrator: HORTON'S RESUME IS

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EXTENSIVE AND EXEMPLARY, AND

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HE'S INTERVIEWED WITH FIVE

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DIFFERENT FRANCHISES, YET HE'S

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NEVER BEEN OFFERED A HEAD

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COACHING JOB.

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>> AN OWNER SAID, "RAY, HOW DO I

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SAY THIS TO YOU?"

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AND I SAID, "SAY IT AS YOU THINK

527
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IT IN YOUR HEAD."

528
00:13:50,049 --> 00:13:51,289
"OKAY, I WILL THEN, RAY.

529
00:13:52,009 --> 00:13:53,129
WHEN I WATCH YOU, YOU'RE

530
00:13:53,149 --> 00:13:54,159
VERY..."

531
00:13:54,179 --> 00:13:55,289
AND THEY STARTED SEARCHING FOR A

532
00:13:56,009 --> 00:13:56,269
WORD, AGAIN, TRYING NOT TO

533
00:13:56,289 --> 00:14:00,100
OFFEND ME.

534
00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,220
"AH, YOU'RE VERY AGGRESSIVE."

535
00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,110
AND I SAID, "WELL, HOW WOULD YOU

536
00:14:04,129 --> 00:14:05,210
LIKE YOUR TEAM TO LOOK?"

537
00:14:05,230 --> 00:14:06,269
>> Bryant: DO YOU CRINGE WHEN

538
00:14:06,289 --> 00:14:08,259
YOU SEE SOME OF THE GUYS WHO GET

539
00:14:08,279 --> 00:14:10,029
HIRED AND SAY SILLY STUFF LIKE

540
00:14:10,049 --> 00:14:11,179
DAN CAMPBELL SAID?

541
00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,000
>> AND WHEN YOU KNOCK US DOWN,

542
00:14:14,019 --> 00:14:16,200
WE'RE GONNA GET UP, AND ON THE

543
00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:17,059
WAY UP, WE'RE GONNA BITE A

544
00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:17,210
KNEECAP OFF, ALL RIGHT?

545
00:14:17,230 --> 00:14:18,210
>> Bryant: DO YOU SIT THERE

546
00:14:18,230 --> 00:14:19,200
AND GO, "MY GOODNESS, GOD, IF

547
00:14:19,220 --> 00:14:22,210
THAT WAS A BROTHER DOING THAT"?

548
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:24,190
>> HE -- HE WOULDN'T BE THERE.

549
00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:26,139
>> Narrator: AFTER 34 YEARS IN

550
00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,070
THE NFL, AS A PLAYER AND A

551
00:14:28,090 --> 00:14:30,289
COACH, HORTON JUST FINISHED HISS

552
00:14:31,009 --> 00:14:32,039
FIRST SEASON WITHOUT PRO

553
00:14:32,059 --> 00:14:59,149
FOOTBALL, AND FEELS HE MAY BE

554
00:14:59,169 --> 00:15:00,070
I'LL TAKE THIS GUY."

555
00:15:00,090 --> 00:15:00,250
>> Narrator: NOW YOU'RE

556
00:15:00,269 --> 00:15:01,279
THINKING LIKE I THINK.

557
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:02,169
HOW DO YOU CHANGE THAT, BRYANT?

558
00:15:02,190 --> 00:15:03,149
HOW DO YOU CHANGE IT?

559
00:15:03,169 --> 00:15:04,080
TO ME, YOU'VE GOTTA VIEW ME

560
00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:05,289
EQUALLY.

561
00:15:06,009 --> 00:15:07,210
WE ALL KNOW THE PROBLEM.

562
00:15:07,230 --> 00:15:09,210
THEY DON'T VIEW ME, EVEN THOUGH

563
00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:11,000
I'VE GOT A COLLEGE DEGREE, I'VE

564
00:15:11,019 --> 00:15:12,210
GOT -- I'VE BEEN TO FIVE SUPER

565
00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:38,230
BOWLS, I'M A PRIVATE PILOT -- I

566
00:15:38,250 --> 00:15:40,000
COACHING RANKS, IT HAS PRODUCED

567
00:15:40,019 --> 00:15:41,200
BETTER RESULTS THIS YEAR IN

568
00:15:41,220 --> 00:15:42,090
OTHER AREAS.

569
00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:43,110
THE NUMBER OF NFL GENERAL

570
00:15:43,129 --> 00:15:43,269
MANAGERS WHO ARE BLACK HAS

571
00:15:43,289 --> 00:15:44,269
JUMPED FROM THREE TO FIVE, AND

572
00:15:44,289 --> 00:15:46,000
THE NUMBER OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN

573
00:15:46,019 --> 00:15:46,250
OFFENSIVE COORDINATORS HAS

574
00:15:46,269 --> 00:15:47,149
DOUBLED... TO FOUR.

575
00:15:47,169 --> 00:15:48,120
THAT'S, NO DOUBT, SMALL

576
00:15:48,139 --> 00:15:49,120
CONSOLATION TO THOSE COACHES

577
00:15:49,139 --> 00:15:51,019
WHO'VE YET TO GET A HEAD

578
00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:53,210
COACHING SHOT, BUT FOR NOW,

579
00:15:53,230 --> 00:15:54,190
THAT'S WHAT CONSTITUTES PROGRESS

580
00:15:54,210 --> 00:15:58,230
IN THE MODERN NFL.

581
00:15:58,250 --> 00:16:00,000
WE MOVE ON... TO AN UNUSUAL

582
00:16:00,019 --> 00:16:01,090
INDIVIDUAL ENGAGED IN MORE

583
00:16:01,110 --> 00:16:02,029
SOLITARY PURSUITS.

584
00:16:02,049 --> 00:16:02,190
SOME OF THEM ARE SPORTING,

585
00:16:02,210 --> 00:16:04,059
OTHERS ARE NOT.

586
00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,220
BUT ALL OF THEM INVOLVE ONE GUY

587
00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,039
WITHSTANDING AND EVEN THRIVING

588
00:16:07,059 --> 00:16:08,000
AMID FRIGID AND FROZEN

589
00:16:08,019 --> 00:16:11,210
CONDITIONS.

590
00:16:11,230 --> 00:16:12,080
THE INDIVIDUAL'S NAME IS WIM

591
00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:13,090
HOFF, AND HE HAS CENTERED HIS

592
00:16:13,110 --> 00:16:14,080
LIFE AROUND FINDING

593
00:16:14,100 --> 00:16:15,009
CONTENTMENT AND OPPORTUNITY IN

594
00:16:15,029 --> 00:16:17,019
THE COLD.

595
00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:18,100
WHEN THE FAMED PLAYWRIGHT,

596
00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,059
EUGENE O'NEILL, WROTE

597
00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,279
"THE ICEMAN COMETH," HE DIDN'T

598
00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,000
HAVE WIM HOFF IN MIND, BUT THE

599
00:16:23,019 --> 00:16:24,269
LABEL SURE FITS.

600
00:16:24,289 --> 00:16:26,070
OUR JON FRANKEL BRAVED THE

601
00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:26,240
ELEMENTS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT

602
00:16:26,259 --> 00:16:28,220
HIM.

603
00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,210
>> Narrator: ON THIS WINDY,

604
00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:33,210
JANUARY DAY, HIGH UP IN THE

605
00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:34,129
SWISS ALPS, THE COLD WAS

606
00:16:34,149 --> 00:16:35,019
BONE-CHILLING, DEMANDING

607
00:16:35,039 --> 00:16:35,210
PROTECTION FROM THE WARMEST GEAR

608
00:16:35,230 --> 00:16:39,179
AROUND.

609
00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:39,250
AROUND.

610
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:41,159
UNLESS YOU'RE WIM HOF... WHO

611
00:16:41,179 --> 00:16:42,039
UNLESS YOU'RE WIM HOF... WHO

612
00:16:42,059 --> 00:16:43,139
TREATED OUR ALPINE CLIMB

613
00:16:43,159 --> 00:16:45,070
TOGETHER AT 8,000 FEET LIKE A

614
00:16:45,090 --> 00:16:47,100
SUMMERTIME WALK IN THE PARK.

615
00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,120
>> Jon: ARE YOU COLD AT ALL?

616
00:16:48,139 --> 00:16:49,289
>> NO.

617
00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:50,210
>> Jon: HOW ARE YOU FEELING

618
00:16:50,230 --> 00:16:52,009
RIGHT NOW?

619
00:16:52,029 --> 00:16:53,070
>> AMAZING.

620
00:16:53,090 --> 00:16:57,090
LOOK AT THIS.

621
00:16:57,110 --> 00:16:58,080
CLOSE TO GOD!

622
00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,070
>> Narrator: HOF'S GOD MAY NOT

623
00:16:59,090 --> 00:17:00,139
BE THE ONE YOU'RE THINKING OF.

624
00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:03,149
HIS GOD, HE SAYS, IS THE COLD.

625
00:17:03,169 --> 00:17:05,160
HE'S THE WORLD'S FIRST, AND

626
00:17:05,180 --> 00:17:07,039
MAYBE THE WORLD'S ONLY, ATHLETE

627
00:17:07,059 --> 00:17:08,240
WHOSE GOAL ISN'T GOING HIGHER,

628
00:17:08,259 --> 00:17:11,289
FASTER, OR STRONGER, BUT COLDER.

629
00:17:12,009 --> 00:17:13,210
>> Jon: I AM LOOKING AT THE HAIR

630
00:17:13,230 --> 00:17:15,089
ON YOUR LEGS, THE HAIR ON YOUR

631
00:17:15,109 --> 00:17:17,009
CHEST, YOUR ARMS, YOUR BEARD.

632
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:18,079
YOU'RE TURNING INTO AN ICICLE

633
00:17:18,099 --> 00:17:19,210
BEFORE MY EYES.

634
00:17:19,230 --> 00:17:20,099
I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN DO

635
00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,059
THIS.

636
00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:23,259
>> WHAT I LET THE BODY DO, I

637
00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:25,109
EXPOSE IT TO THE ELEMENTS AND

638
00:17:25,130 --> 00:17:27,150
SUDDENLY, THE BODY BEGINS TO

639
00:17:27,170 --> 00:17:28,200
WORK FROM THE DEPTH TO THE

640
00:17:28,220 --> 00:17:29,259
SURFACE.

641
00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:32,250
AND YOU FIND OUT THAT WE ARE SO

642
00:17:32,269 --> 00:17:34,039
MUCH MORE CAPABLE AND STRONGER

643
00:17:34,059 --> 00:17:36,220
THAN WE THOUGHT.

644
00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,019
>> Narrator: FOR DECADES, WIM

645
00:17:38,039 --> 00:17:39,220
HOF HAS BEEN TESTING THE LIMITS

646
00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,019
OF MAN'S ABILITIES IN THE COLD.

647
00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:43,130
IN FINLAND, HE TOOK A SWIM...

648
00:17:43,150 --> 00:17:45,289
UNDER NEARLY 200 FEET OF ICE.

649
00:17:46,009 --> 00:17:47,140
IN THE ARCTIC, HE RAN A

650
00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,230
HALF-MARATHON WEARING LITTLE

651
00:17:49,250 --> 00:17:52,140
MORE THAN SANDALS.

652
00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,279
IN THE HIMALAYAS, HE CLIMBED

653
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,279
MOUNT EVEREST IN JUST A PAIR OF

654
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,240
SHORTS.

655
00:17:58,259 --> 00:18:00,200
NOW 61 YEARS OLD, HE STILL

656
00:18:00,220 --> 00:18:02,190
TRAINS EVERY DAY, PREPARING FOR

657
00:18:02,210 --> 00:18:04,190
HIS NEXT FROZEN FEAT.

658
00:18:04,210 --> 00:18:07,039
NO SURPRISE -- HE STARTS HIS

659
00:18:07,059 --> 00:18:09,009
DAYS NOT WITH A HOT SHOWER, BUT

660
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:11,039
SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

661
00:18:11,059 --> 00:18:12,079
>> Jon: TELL ME WHAT YOU'RE

662
00:18:12,099 --> 00:18:13,099
FEELING RIGHT NOW.

663
00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:14,170
'CAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN REACT.

664
00:18:14,190 --> 00:18:16,160
>> NO.

665
00:18:16,180 --> 00:18:17,160
MY BODY IS READY.

666
00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:20,289
IT KNOWS.

667
00:18:21,009 --> 00:18:23,180
SO THE COLD, I CAN FEEL THE

668
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,009
COLD, BUT THAT'S ALL

669
00:18:24,029 --> 00:18:31,130
RIGHT.

670
00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:33,220
OH, THIS IS SO RELAXED.

671
00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,279
>> Narrator: BUT HOF SAYS THAT

672
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,119
WHAT HE'S DOING IS ABOUT A LOT

673
00:18:36,140 --> 00:18:37,009
MORE THAN JUST SETTING RECORDS

674
00:18:37,029 --> 00:18:39,019
IN SPORT.

675
00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:41,039
HE SAYS THAT IN THE COLD, HE'S

676
00:18:41,059 --> 00:18:43,099
DISCOVERED AN INCREDIBLE SECRET,

677
00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,250
ONE HE SAYS ANYONE CAN LEARN,

678
00:18:44,269 --> 00:18:46,089
AND THAT EVERYONE SHOULD.

679
00:18:46,109 --> 00:18:47,200
THE SECRET TO EVERLASTING

680
00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:50,079
HEALTH.

681
00:18:50,099 --> 00:18:51,009
>> Jon: WHY SHOULD PEOPLE LEARN

682
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:52,210
TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING?

683
00:18:52,230 --> 00:18:54,119
>> BECAUSE THE IMMUNE SYSTEM

684
00:18:54,140 --> 00:18:56,109
BECOMES A LOT STRONGER.

685
00:18:56,130 --> 00:18:57,000
THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

686
00:18:57,019 --> 00:18:58,089
HEALTH.

687
00:18:58,109 --> 00:18:59,210
YOU CANNOT BUY IT, BUT YOU CAN

688
00:18:59,230 --> 00:19:01,220
ACHIEVE IT.

689
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,089
>> Narrator: SO HOF'S ON A

690
00:19:03,109 --> 00:19:04,230
MISSION TO CREATE AN ARMY OF

691
00:19:04,250 --> 00:19:07,000
COLD WARRIORS LIKE HIMSELF.

692
00:19:07,019 --> 00:19:08,269
OVER THE YEARS HE'S AMASSED A

693
00:19:08,289 --> 00:19:10,210
FOLLOWING OF MILLIONS, TRUE

694
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:13,170
BELIEVERS WHO REGULARLY WORSHIP

695
00:19:13,190 --> 00:19:15,029
AT THE ALTAR OF THE COLD WITH

696
00:19:15,049 --> 00:19:16,230
HOF AS THEIR HIGH PRIEST, MAKING

697
00:19:16,250 --> 00:19:18,130
HIM THE LATEST IN A LONG LINE OF

698
00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:21,049
FAMOUS GURUS CLAIMING TO HAVE

699
00:19:21,069 --> 00:19:22,019
FOUND THE HOLY GRAIL OF

700
00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:23,119
WELLNESS.

701
00:19:23,140 --> 00:19:24,130
>> I MEAN, THIS IS GONNA SAVE

702
00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:25,119
THE WORLD.

703
00:19:25,140 --> 00:19:26,000
>> Jon: THIS IS GONNA SAVE THE

704
00:19:26,019 --> 00:19:26,160
WORLD?

705
00:19:26,180 --> 00:19:28,099
>> YES, YES.

706
00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,009
>> Jon: THOSE ARE PRETTY BIG

707
00:19:29,029 --> 00:19:29,190
WORDS.

708
00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:32,140
>> ALL RIGHT, MAN.

709
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,039
A SIMPLE MAN CAN CHANGE THE

710
00:19:33,059 --> 00:19:34,230
WORLD.

711
00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:36,029
IS THAT -- IS THAT BIG?

712
00:19:36,049 --> 00:19:37,259
YES, IT IS BIG.

713
00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:38,240
>> Jon: YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEBODY

714
00:19:38,259 --> 00:19:40,109
WHO SHOULD HAVE A MEGA CHURCH,

715
00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:41,150
AND YOU SHOULD BE PREACHING TO

716
00:19:41,170 --> 00:19:43,019
PEOPLE BY THE THOUSANDS.

717
00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,049
>> I'M NOT A CHURCH.

718
00:19:45,069 --> 00:19:47,019
I AM NOT DOGMATIC.

719
00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:48,140
I JUST GIVE PEOPLE A CHOICE.

720
00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,039
HERE IT IS.

721
00:19:50,059 --> 00:19:51,190
YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE IT ON,

722
00:19:51,210 --> 00:19:53,220
BUT YOU CAN TAKE IT ON.

723
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,039
>> Narrator: HOF'S JOURNEY INTO

724
00:19:55,059 --> 00:19:57,019
THE COLD BEGAN ON A WINTER'S DAY

725
00:19:57,039 --> 00:19:59,019
44 YEARS AGO, WHEN HE HAPPENED

726
00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:00,079
UPON THIS LAKE IN HIS HOMETOWN

727
00:20:00,099 --> 00:20:02,180
OF AMSTERDAM.

728
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,140
THOUGH THE LAKE WAS FROZEN OVER,

729
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,210
HOF FELT THE URGE TO TAKE OFF

730
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:09,019
HIS CLOTHES AND JUMP IN.

731
00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:11,119
>> WITHOUT ME KNOWING IT, IT WAS

732
00:20:11,140 --> 00:20:12,279
CALLING UPON ME APPARENTLY.

733
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,160
I WENT IN.

734
00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:15,099
AND I FELT, BOOM.

735
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,000
YEAH.

736
00:20:16,019 --> 00:20:17,059
THIS IS IT.

737
00:20:17,079 --> 00:20:19,220
>> Jon: WHAT DID YOU FEEL?

738
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,079
>> VERY STILL IN MY MIND.

739
00:20:21,099 --> 00:20:23,009
VERY STRONG IN MY BODY.

740
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:26,009
I WENT OUT.

741
00:20:26,029 --> 00:20:27,140
AND THE REST OF THE DAY, I HAD A

742
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,130
RUSH GOING.

743
00:20:30,150 --> 00:20:30,279
IT'S LIKE SOME DRUGS OR

744
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:31,220
SOMETHING.

745
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,170
>> Narrator: HOOKED, HOF STARTED

746
00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:34,079
RETURNING HERE DAILY FOR

747
00:20:34,099 --> 00:20:36,009
WINTERTIME SWIMS.

748
00:20:36,029 --> 00:20:37,230
>> IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU ARE IN

749
00:20:37,250 --> 00:20:38,220
LOVE WITH SOMEBODY, YOU DON'T

750
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,069
THINK.

751
00:20:40,089 --> 00:20:42,160
NO, YOU GO.

752
00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:43,170
THIS IS THE POWER OF THE COLD TO

753
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:46,000
ME.

754
00:20:46,019 --> 00:20:47,190
>> Narrator: FOR YEARS, HOF

755
00:20:47,210 --> 00:20:49,160
PURSUED HIS LOVE FOR THE COLD IN

756
00:20:49,180 --> 00:20:50,250
PRIVATE, WHILE BUILDING A FAMILY

757
00:20:50,269 --> 00:20:52,009
OF FOUR YOUNG CHILDREN WITH HIS

758
00:20:52,029 --> 00:20:55,170
WIFE, OLAYA.

759
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:58,059
THEN, IN 1995, TRAGEDY STRUCK

760
00:20:58,079 --> 00:20:59,210
WHEN OLAYA, WHO SUFFERED FROM

761
00:20:59,230 --> 00:21:00,160
MANIC DEPRESSION, TOOK HER OWN

762
00:21:00,180 --> 00:21:03,019
LIFE.

763
00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:04,289
>> SHE DECIDED TO GO BECAUSE THE

764
00:21:05,009 --> 00:21:06,109
TERROR IN HER HEAD WAS JUST TOO

765
00:21:06,130 --> 00:21:08,089
MUCH.

766
00:21:08,109 --> 00:21:11,230
AND SHE JUMPED FROM EIGHT

767
00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:13,039
STORIES AFTER KISSING HER KIDS

768
00:21:13,059 --> 00:21:16,089
GOODBYE.

769
00:21:16,109 --> 00:21:19,160
THAT COULD HAVE EASILY BROUGHT

770
00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:21,150
ME IN THE DEEPEST PARTS OF THE

771
00:21:21,170 --> 00:21:23,180
DARKNESS ITSELF.

772
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,150
BUT I -- I COULD NOT BECAUSE I

773
00:21:25,170 --> 00:21:26,220
HAVE FOUR CHILDREN, LITTLE BIT

774
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,180
OF MONEY.

775
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,190
I HAD TO GO ON.

776
00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:32,240
>> Narrator: TO GO ON AND HEAL

777
00:21:32,259 --> 00:21:34,130
FROM HIS GRIEF, HOF INTENSIFIED

778
00:21:34,150 --> 00:21:36,119
HIS EXPLORATIONS INTO THE COLD,

779
00:21:36,140 --> 00:21:38,089
TAKING ON MORE AND MORE RISK, BY

780
00:21:38,109 --> 00:21:39,029
STAYING OUT LONGER THAN EVER

781
00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:42,019
BEFORE.

782
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:43,210
>> WHEN MY MOM DIED WAS WHEN HE

783
00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:46,000
REALLY STARTED TO DO IT IN

784
00:21:46,019 --> 00:21:46,220
EXTREMES AND, LIKE, EVEN LIFE

785
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,130
THREATENING.

786
00:21:48,150 --> 00:21:49,000
>> Narrator: ENAHM IS HOF'S

787
00:21:49,019 --> 00:21:50,130
OLDEST CHILD.

788
00:21:50,150 --> 00:21:52,160
>> HE WOULD COME HOME, LIKE,

789
00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:54,250
SHIVERING AND -- AND BEING

790
00:21:54,269 --> 00:21:55,210
REALLY -- LIKE, HAVING PUSHED

791
00:21:55,230 --> 00:21:56,259
TOO FAR.

792
00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:57,150
>> Jon: WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WAS

793
00:21:57,170 --> 00:21:58,119
ABOUT?

794
00:21:58,140 --> 00:22:00,130
>> FEELING ALIVE.

795
00:22:00,150 --> 00:22:02,190
HE WANTED TO FEEL ALIVE AGAIN.

796
00:22:02,210 --> 00:22:05,049
>> IT WAS THE COLD, ONCE AGAIN,

797
00:22:05,069 --> 00:22:07,289
THAT STILLED MY MIND AND TAKES

798
00:22:08,009 --> 00:22:11,089
AWAY THIS AGONIZING CIRCLING OF

799
00:22:11,109 --> 00:22:12,230
YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT, "WHY?

800
00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:13,039
WHY?

801
00:22:13,059 --> 00:22:13,140
WHY?

802
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,279
WHY?"

803
00:22:15,009 --> 00:22:15,259
THIS BROUGHT ME BACK TO MY

804
00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:17,279
SENSES.

805
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,190
AND MIRACULOUSLY IT BROUGHT

806
00:22:19,210 --> 00:22:21,289
ENERGY TO US.

807
00:22:22,009 --> 00:22:23,170
>> Narrator: IT ALSO BROUGHT HOF

808
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:25,230
SOMETHING ELSE, AN OPPORTUNITY.

809
00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:27,039
>> THE ICEMAN COMETH.

810
00:22:27,059 --> 00:22:28,220
WILL YOU PLEASE WELCOME WIM HOF.

811
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,039
>> Narrator: HOF REALIZED HE

812
00:22:30,059 --> 00:22:31,259
COULD MARKET HIS UNIQUE SKILL

813
00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:33,059
AND BEGAN MAKING TV APPEARANCES

814
00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:35,000
IN THE NETHERLANDS, SETTING

815
00:22:35,019 --> 00:22:36,019
WORLD RECORDS FOR ENDURANCE IN

816
00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:37,130
THE COLD.

817
00:22:37,150 --> 00:22:38,180
>> CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR

818
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,049
SUB-ZERO-HERO, WIM HOF.

819
00:22:41,069 --> 00:22:42,119
>> Narrator: AFTER THAT, HE TOOK

820
00:22:42,140 --> 00:22:44,109
HIS SHOW ON THE ROAD, WOWING

821
00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:46,130
CROWDS IN CITIES FROM MADRID, TO

822
00:22:46,150 --> 00:22:50,230
NEW YORK, TO HONG KONG.

823
00:22:50,250 --> 00:22:52,279
FEW KNEW HOW HE WAS DOING IT.

824
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,029
MOST ASSUMED HOF WAS SUPERHUMAN.

825
00:22:55,049 --> 00:22:58,089
AND IN A WAY, THEY WERE RIGHT.

826
00:22:58,109 --> 00:22:59,170
HE'D DEVELOPED A TECHNIQUE OF

827
00:22:59,190 --> 00:23:01,069
BREATHING THAT, TEMPORARILY AT

828
00:23:01,089 --> 00:23:01,240
LEAST, COULD INFUSE HIM WITH

829
00:23:01,259 --> 00:23:05,079
INCREDIBLE POWERS.

830
00:23:05,099 --> 00:23:07,140
[BREATHING]

831
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:07,289
>> FULLY IN, LETTING GO.

832
00:23:08,009 --> 00:23:09,089
FIVE MORE.

833
00:23:09,109 --> 00:23:12,059
>> Narrator: HOF TOLD ME THAT BY

834
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:13,000
BREATHING A CERTAIN WAY, PEOPLE

835
00:23:13,019 --> 00:23:14,009
CAN SUMMON A HORMONE THAT IS

836
00:23:14,029 --> 00:23:15,250
NORMALLY ONLY RELEASED WHEN WE

837
00:23:15,269 --> 00:23:17,150
FEEL DANGER OR STRESS,

838
00:23:17,170 --> 00:23:19,049
ADRENALINE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO

839
00:23:19,069 --> 00:23:20,049
TEMPORARILY ACHIEVE THE

840
00:23:20,069 --> 00:23:22,109
IMPOSSIBLE.

841
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:24,279
>> AFTER THE EXHALATION, THE

842
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,279
ADRENALINE COMES IN.

843
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,000
IT'S AMAZING HOW WE HACK INTO

844
00:23:30,019 --> 00:23:33,069
THE PRIMAL PARTS OF OUR BRAIN

845
00:23:33,089 --> 00:23:36,049
THROUGH THIS TECHNIQUE.

846
00:23:36,069 --> 00:23:38,269
>> WHAT HE'S ABLE TO DO WITH HIS

847
00:23:38,289 --> 00:23:43,180
BREATHING TECHNIQUES IS TO PUT

848
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,089
HIM IN A SHORT-LIVED STRESSFUL

849
00:23:44,109 --> 00:23:45,009
SITUATION.

850
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:45,240
SO HE LOOKS CALM, BUT HE'S

851
00:23:45,259 --> 00:23:47,059
ACTUALLY -- THE STRESS HORMONES,

852
00:23:47,079 --> 00:23:49,039
LIKE ADRENALINE, ARE SKY HIGH.

853
00:23:49,059 --> 00:23:50,210
>> Narrator: DR. PETER PICKKERS

854
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:51,250
WAS THE FIRST SCIENTIST TO

855
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:52,259
MEASURE HOF'S ABILITY TO

856
00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:54,180
GENERATE ADRENALINE AT WILL.

857
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,109
PICKKERS HAD HOF PERFORM HIS

858
00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:58,099
BREATHING TECHNIQUES IN A LAB

859
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,099
AND FOUND THAT, REMARKABLY, HOF

860
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,079
COULD GENERATE MORE ADRENALINE

861
00:24:02,099 --> 00:24:03,200
THAN A BUNGEE JUMPER FEELS WHEN

862
00:24:03,220 --> 00:24:05,190
JUMPING FOR THE FIRST TIME.

863
00:24:05,210 --> 00:24:08,119
>> BUNGEE JUMPING IS LIKE

864
00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:10,019
THE MOST EXCITING OR MOST

865
00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:11,289
FEAR-INDUCING EXERCISE THAT YOU

866
00:24:12,009 --> 00:24:13,039
CAN DO.

867
00:24:13,059 --> 00:24:13,210
IF YOU DO IT THE FIRST TIME,

868
00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:15,039
ESPECIALLY.

869
00:24:15,059 --> 00:24:17,160
AND STILL, THE ADRENALINE

870
00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:18,250
RELEASE FOLLOWING THAT IS MUCH

871
00:24:18,269 --> 00:24:23,059
LESS THAN THE ADRENALINE RELEASE

872
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:24,170
THAT WE SEE WHEN YOU DO THESE

873
00:24:24,190 --> 00:24:26,230
BREATHING TECHNIQUES.

874
00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:28,019
>> Narrator: IT MADE PICKKERS

875
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:29,150
WONDER, IF HOF COULD PROTECT HIS

876
00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:31,049
BODY FROM THE COLD, COULD HE

877
00:24:31,069 --> 00:24:32,140
ALSO PROTECT IT FROM OTHER

878
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,059
THREATS LIKE DISEASE?

879
00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:34,269
SO PICKKERS CONDUCTED ANOTHER

880
00:24:34,289 --> 00:24:37,109
TEST.

881
00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:39,220
HE INJECTED HOF WITH E. COLI, A

882
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,210
BACTERIA THAT ALMOST ALWAYS

883
00:24:41,230 --> 00:24:43,130
TRIGGERS SYMPTOMS OF ILLNESS,

884
00:24:43,150 --> 00:24:44,019
FROM FEVER TO CHILLS TO

885
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,000
HEADACHES.

886
00:24:47,019 --> 00:24:49,150
BUT HOF DIDN'T GET SICK AT ALL.

887
00:24:49,170 --> 00:24:51,130
THEN PICKKERS WENT FURTHER,

888
00:24:51,150 --> 00:24:52,150
ASKING HOF TO TEACH HIS

889
00:24:52,170 --> 00:24:53,130
BREATHING TECHNIQUE TO 12 RANDOM

890
00:24:53,150 --> 00:24:55,119
PEOPLE.

891
00:24:55,140 --> 00:24:56,069
PICKKERS THEN INJECTED THEM WITH

892
00:24:56,089 --> 00:24:58,099
E. COLI TOO.

893
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,259
AND REMARKABLY, JUST LIKE HOF,

894
00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:02,190
NONE OF THEM GOT SICK.

895
00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:04,170
>> IT WAS A COMPLETELY

896
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:06,079
DISRUPTIVE FINDING THAT COULD

897
00:25:06,099 --> 00:25:07,180
NOT BE DENIED.

898
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,089
>> Jon: WOULD YOU CALL THAT A

899
00:25:08,109 --> 00:25:09,130
SCIENTIFIC BREAKTHROUGH?

900
00:25:09,150 --> 00:25:10,279
>> YES.

901
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,190
BECAUSE ALL THE TEXTBOOKS SAY

902
00:25:12,210 --> 00:25:14,279
THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS AUTONOMIC.

903
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,170
YOU CANNOT REGULATE IT YOURSELF.

904
00:25:16,190 --> 00:25:17,289
AND WE SHOWED THAT YOU CAN.

905
00:25:18,009 --> 00:25:20,009
>> IT'S AMAZING.

906
00:25:20,029 --> 00:25:21,009
IT'S BIG.

907
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:24,009
I FOUND THE WAY TO HACK WITHIN

908
00:25:24,029 --> 00:25:27,009
OUR BODY AND AWAKEN OUR TRUE,

909
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:30,220
NATURAL CAPACITY TO BEAT OR FEND

910
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,130
OFF BACTERIA OR VIRAL INFECTION.

911
00:25:33,150 --> 00:25:35,000
>> Narrator: WHEN HOF SHOWED

912
00:25:35,019 --> 00:25:36,089
THAT HIS METHOD MIGHT BENEFIT

913
00:25:36,109 --> 00:25:38,210
OTHERS, HIS SON, ENAHM, GUESSED

914
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:39,220
THAT PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO PAY TO

915
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,150
LEARN FROM HIS FATHER.

916
00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:48,190
>> THE MOTIVATIONAL EFFECT HE

917
00:25:48,210 --> 00:25:49,160
HAS ON PEOPLE IS -- IS INSANE.

918
00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:50,049
>> Narrator: SO ENAHM STARTED A

919
00:25:50,069 --> 00:25:50,230
BUSINESS, THE WIM HOF METHOD,

920
00:25:50,250 --> 00:25:51,140
AND SENT HIS FATHER ON THE ROAD

921
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,059
TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL AND

922
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,150
ACCUMULATE DISCIPLES, TEACHING

923
00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:57,109
THEM HOW TO BREATHE HIS WAY.

924
00:25:57,130 --> 00:26:06,119
>> DEEP IN AND THEN LETTING GO.

925
00:26:06,140 --> 00:26:07,039
>> Narrator: AND CHANT.

926
00:26:07,059 --> 00:26:07,180
>> HOO!

927
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,029
>> HA!

928
00:26:08,049 --> 00:26:12,259
HOO!

929
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:13,180
>> Narrator: EMBRACE THE COLD.

930
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,049
YOU ARE CONTROLLING!

931
00:26:18,069 --> 00:26:22,210
BEFORE LONG, HOF WAS HOLDING

932
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:23,109
WORKSHOPS WITH THOUSANDS OF

933
00:26:23,130 --> 00:26:24,039
PEOPLE.

934
00:26:24,059 --> 00:26:24,259
>> TA, TO, TA, TO.

935
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:25,269
>> Narrator: AND RUBBING ELBOWS

936
00:26:25,289 --> 00:26:26,150
WITH CELEBRITIES, ALL EAGER TO

937
00:26:26,170 --> 00:26:27,099
MEET THE ICEMAN.

938
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,029
TODAY, THE WIM HOF METHOD HAS

939
00:26:30,049 --> 00:26:32,099
FOLLOWERS IN DOZENS OF

940
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,000
COUNTRIES, WHO PAY FOR COURSES,

941
00:26:34,019 --> 00:26:36,009
MERCHANDISE, AND THE OPPORTUNITY

942
00:26:36,029 --> 00:26:37,119
TO SPEND TIME WITH THE MAN

943
00:26:37,140 --> 00:26:39,029
HIMSELF.

944
00:26:39,049 --> 00:26:39,210
>> Jon: HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU

945
00:26:39,230 --> 00:26:40,269
MAKING?

946
00:26:40,289 --> 00:26:41,269
ARE YOU MAKING MILLIONS?

947
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,150
YOU GOT PEOPLE ALL OVER THE

948
00:26:42,170 --> 00:26:44,019
WORLD.

949
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:44,180
>> YEAH, WE MAKE A LOT OF

950
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,289
MILLIONS.

951
00:26:46,009 --> 00:26:47,289
AM I A GOOD BUSINESSMAN?

952
00:26:48,009 --> 00:26:50,119
FOR SURE.

953
00:26:50,140 --> 00:26:52,200
YES, I KNOW HOW TO MONETIZE

954
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:55,109
THINGS, BUT BY DOING SOMETHING

955
00:26:55,130 --> 00:26:58,029
GOOD.

956
00:26:58,049 --> 00:26:59,099
>> Narrator: HOF'S FOLLOWERS SAY

957
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,089
THAT HIS TECHNIQUES HAVE CHANGED

958
00:27:00,109 --> 00:27:01,190
THEIR LIVES.

959
00:27:01,210 --> 00:27:03,230
FOR SOME, IT'S THE BREATHING,

960
00:27:03,250 --> 00:27:04,130
WHICH CAN RELEASE ALL SORTS OF

961
00:27:04,150 --> 00:27:06,019
PENT-UP EMOTIONS, SOMETIMES IN A

962
00:27:06,039 --> 00:27:09,230
FLOOD OF SPONTANEOUS TEARS.

963
00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:12,009
FOR OTHERS, IT'S THE COLD, WHICH

964
00:27:12,029 --> 00:27:13,109
FOLLOWERS SAY MAKES THEIR BODIES

965
00:27:13,130 --> 00:27:14,109
HEARTIER AND THEIR MINDS

966
00:27:14,130 --> 00:27:16,029
SHARPER.

967
00:27:16,049 --> 00:27:18,019
A FEW HOF LOYALISTS EVEN CLAIM

968
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:19,220
THEY'VE BEEN CURED OF THE

969
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,230
SYMPTOMS OF DISEASE, A NOTION

970
00:27:21,250 --> 00:27:23,150
WITHOUT SCIENTIFIC PROOF, BUT

971
00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:24,109
ONE THAT HOF HAS BEEN KNOWN TO

972
00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:25,279
ENCOURAGE.

973
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,210
>> Jon: DO YOU THINK YOU CAN

974
00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:29,019
SOLVE ANY MENTAL HEALTH AND

975
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:29,289
PHYSICAL HEALTH ISSUE THROUGH

976
00:27:30,009 --> 00:27:30,279
THIS PROCESS?

977
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:31,269
>> OH YEAH, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST

978
00:27:31,289 --> 00:27:33,119
90%.

979
00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:34,180
>> Jon: GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE.

980
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,230
>> CROHN'S DISEASE.

981
00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:38,240
THOSE BOWEL DISEASES IN GENERAL.

982
00:27:38,259 --> 00:27:39,160
>> Jon: CROHN'S DISEASE.

983
00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:40,109
>> YEAH.

984
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:40,269
>> IS A VERY DEBILITATING

985
00:27:40,289 --> 00:27:41,109
DISEASE.

986
00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:42,200
>> YEAH.

987
00:27:42,220 --> 00:27:43,170
>> Jon: BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME

988
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:44,059
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO BREATHE?

989
00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:46,059
>> OH.

990
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,150
SORRY THAT IT IS SO SIMPLE.

991
00:27:48,170 --> 00:27:50,210
BECAUSE I HAD A LOT OF CASES OF

992
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:52,049
PEOPLE WITH -- WITH CROHN'S

993
00:27:52,069 --> 00:27:53,019
DISEASE.

994
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:53,200
AND THEY DON'T NEED MEDICINES

995
00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:54,230
ANYMORE.

996
00:27:54,250 --> 00:27:57,009
>> Jon: ARE YOU AT ALL AFRAID

997
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:58,109
THAT PEOPLE WILL SAY THAT YOU'VE

998
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:59,029
EXAGGERATED ALL THIS?

999
00:27:59,049 --> 00:28:00,130
>> OH, OF COURSE.

1000
00:28:00,150 --> 00:28:01,259
BUT COME WITH SCIENCE.

1001
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:05,019
PROVE ME WRONG.

1002
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:06,000
>> Narrator: BUT EVEN HOF'S

1003
00:28:06,019 --> 00:28:07,059
SUPPORTERS IN THE SCIENTIFIC

1004
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:08,109
COMMUNITY SAY THERE ARE LIMITS

1005
00:28:08,130 --> 00:28:09,119
TO WHAT HE CAN RESPONSIBLY

1006
00:28:09,140 --> 00:28:11,079
CLAIM.

1007
00:28:11,099 --> 00:28:12,210
WE WERE SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT

1008
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:15,119
HOF IS UNAFRAID OF COVID.

1009
00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:16,240
>> Jon: WILL YOU GET THE

1010
00:28:16,259 --> 00:28:18,079
VACCINE FOR THE VIRUS?

1011
00:28:18,099 --> 00:28:23,029
>> I DON'T NEED IT.

1012
00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:23,230
MY VACCINE IS WHEN I GO INTO THE

1013
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:24,240
COLD WATER.

1014
00:28:24,259 --> 00:28:25,150
>> Jon: WOULD YOU BUY THAT?

1015
00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:26,180
>> NO.

1016
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:32,279
THERE'S NO PROOF AT ALL TO THINK

1017
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,250
THAT IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL -- TO

1018
00:28:34,269 --> 00:28:35,180
PREVENT COVID, FOR EXAMPLE.

1019
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,150
WE DO NOT KNOW THAT.

1020
00:28:37,170 --> 00:28:41,000
AND SO I WOULD REALLY BE AGAINST

1021
00:28:41,019 --> 00:28:42,029
SUGGESTING SUCH THINGS BECAUSE

1022
00:28:42,049 --> 00:28:45,210
IT'S DANGEROUS.

1023
00:28:45,230 --> 00:28:47,099
>> Narrator: AS FAR AS HOF'S

1024
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:48,170
CONCERNED, HIS CLAIMS ARE SOUND

1025
00:28:48,190 --> 00:28:49,180
AND JUST NEED MORE SCIENTIFIC

1026
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,079
STUDIES.

1027
00:28:51,099 --> 00:28:53,009
BUT WHILE HOF WAITS FOR SCIENCE

1028
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:54,140
TO CATCH UP, HE'LL CONTINUE TO

1029
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,029
DO WHAT HE'S ALWAYS DONE, GO

1030
00:28:57,049 --> 00:28:58,289
INTO THE COLD AND BRING OTHERS

1031
00:28:59,009 --> 00:29:01,000
WITH HIM, LIKE ME.

1032
00:29:01,019 --> 00:29:03,000
YES, ON MY LAST DAY WITH HOF,

1033
00:29:03,019 --> 00:29:04,220
AFTER LOTS OF WAFFLING, I

1034
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,119
DECIDED TO TAKE THE PLUNGE.

1035
00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:08,279
LITERALLY.

1036
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,039
>> Jon: OH, MY GOD.

1037
00:29:11,059 --> 00:29:13,200
>> HOW DOES THAT FEEL?

1038
00:29:13,220 --> 00:29:14,279
>> Jon: OKAY.

1039
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:15,210
>> Narrator: THE WATER

1040
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:17,099
TEMPERATURE WAS 33 DEGREES, ONE

1041
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,039
DEGREE ABOVE FREEZING.

1042
00:29:21,059 --> 00:29:22,039
>> COME OUT HERE.

1043
00:29:22,059 --> 00:29:23,029
COME OUT HERE.

1044
00:29:23,049 --> 00:29:24,039
COME HERE.

1045
00:29:24,059 --> 00:29:25,079
EASY DOES IT.

1046
00:29:25,099 --> 00:29:27,009
LONG BREATHS.

1047
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:36,170
LONG BREATHS.

1048
00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:42,230
>> Narrator: QUICKLY, THE COLD

1049
00:29:42,250 --> 00:29:43,140
OVERWHELMED MY BODY, AND I

1050
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,059
STARTED TO GO NUMB.

1051
00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:45,059
>> I ALWAYS ASK THE PEOPLE WHO'S

1052
00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:45,180
IN CONTROL.

1053
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,119
ARE YOU IN CONTROL?

1054
00:29:46,140 --> 00:29:46,279
>> Jon: I THINK SO.

1055
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,180
>> GOOD.

1056
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,069
THEN IT'S DONE.

1057
00:29:48,089 --> 00:29:48,279
>> Jon: OKAY, IT'S DONE.

1058
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:49,180
>> YEAH, YOU GO OUT.

1059
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,069
WELL DONE.

1060
00:29:50,089 --> 00:29:51,190
>> Narrator: IN TOTAL, I LASTED

1061
00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:53,109
ONLY NINETY SECONDS AND WAS SO

1062
00:29:53,130 --> 00:29:54,089
FRIGID, I COULD BARELY GET MY

1063
00:29:54,109 --> 00:29:56,109
CLOTHES BACK ON.

1064
00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:58,099
HOF, MEANWHILE, WAS IN NO HURRY

1065
00:29:58,119 --> 00:29:59,269
TO LEAVE, COMFORTABLE IN THE

1066
00:29:59,289 --> 00:30:01,230
WATERS THAT HELPED DELIVER HIM

1067
00:30:01,250 --> 00:30:02,109
FROM DESPAIR ALL THOSE YEARS

1068
00:30:02,130 --> 00:30:04,089
AGO.

1069
00:30:04,109 --> 00:30:06,049
>> I WANT TO HELP THOSE WHO

1070
00:30:06,069 --> 00:30:07,190
ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION AS I

1071
00:30:07,210 --> 00:30:09,200
WAS.

1072
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:12,019
HELPLESS, HOPELESS, LOSING

1073
00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:13,259
THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE AND THERE

1074
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,019
IT BEGAN.

1075
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,009
HER LIFE WAS NOT FOR NOTHING.

1076
00:30:18,029 --> 00:30:20,170
I THINK I'VE FOUND A WAY TO GO

1077
00:30:20,190 --> 00:30:22,180
WITHIN, WHERE SCIENCE HAS NOT

1078
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,039
GONE BEFORE.

1079
00:30:25,059 --> 00:30:26,200
IT'S NOT MINE.

1080
00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:28,029
I JUST FOUND IT.

1081
00:30:28,049 --> 00:30:29,200
AND I WANNA SHARE IT.

1082
00:30:29,220 --> 00:30:31,250
THAT'S ALL.

1083
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:44,230
♪ I'M SO CRAZY ABOUT MY LIFE ♪

1084
00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:48,150
OH, YEAH.

1085
00:30:48,170 --> 00:30:49,150
>> Bryant: AND JON FRANKEL IS

1086
00:30:49,170 --> 00:30:50,009
JOINING US FROM NEW YORK.

1087
00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:51,019
HEY, JON.

1088
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:51,190
>> Jon: HEY, BRYANT, HOW ARE

1089
00:30:51,210 --> 00:30:52,059
YOU?

1090
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:53,190
>> Bryant: I'M ALL RIGHT.

1091
00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:55,009
JUST SO NO ONE GETS ANY FOOLISH

1092
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:56,119
IDEAS FROM WATCHING THIS PIECE,

1093
00:30:56,140 --> 00:30:58,140
PEOPLE CANNOT FIND CURES FOR

1094
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,069
ANYTHING BY DOING WHAT WIM HOFF

1095
00:31:00,089 --> 00:31:01,259
DOES, CORRECT?

1096
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,210
>> Jon: WIM WOULD SAY HE IS

1097
00:31:03,230 --> 00:31:04,230
NOT CURING DISEASES, BUT HE CAN

1098
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:06,019
CURE SOME OF THE SYMPTOMS OF THE

1099
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:07,190
DISEASES.

1100
00:31:07,210 --> 00:31:09,130
DON'T SEE THIS AS A WAY TO NOT

1101
00:31:09,150 --> 00:31:11,200
GO TO YOUR TRADITIONAL WESTERN

1102
00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:13,029
DOCTOR TO CURE YOURSELF.

1103
00:31:13,049 --> 00:31:14,200
>> Bryant: ALTHOUGH HIS SON

1104
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:16,250
SEEMS TO BE ALL BUSINESS, IT

1105
00:31:16,269 --> 00:31:18,099
SEEMS TO ME THAT WIM CARES

1106
00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:19,089
NOTHING ABOUT THE MONEY END OF

1107
00:31:19,109 --> 00:31:20,269
THIS, IS THAT CORRECT?

1108
00:31:20,289 --> 00:31:22,039
>> Jon: GUY BARELY WEARS A

1109
00:31:22,059 --> 00:31:22,279
SHIRT WHEN HE DOES ANYTHING!

1110
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,200
I THINK HE'S GOT A PAIR OF

1111
00:31:24,220 --> 00:31:25,140
SHORTS, BARELY A PAIR OF SHOES,

1112
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,009
BUT YES.

1113
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:29,089
THIS SEEMS TO BE MONETIZED BY

1114
00:31:29,109 --> 00:31:30,210
HIS SON, AND THE OTHER THREE

1115
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:31,170
KIDS FROM HIS FIRST MARRIAGE WHO

1116
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:33,029
ALL WORK IN THE FAMILY BUSINESS.

1117
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:34,230
BUT WIM DOESN'T SEEM TO GIVE A

1118
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:36,160
WHIM ABOUT MONEY.

1119
00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:38,009
>> Bryant: YEAH, AND LAST

1120
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:38,250
THING, YOU REALIZE YOU'RE NUTS

1121
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:41,089
FOR GOING IN, RIGHT?

1122
00:31:41,109 --> 00:31:42,119
>> Jon: JUST WANTED TO SATISFY

1123
00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:43,130
YOU, BRYANT, BECAUSE I KNEW YOU

1124
00:31:43,150 --> 00:31:44,039
WERE GONNA ASK ME AT THE END.

1125
00:31:44,059 --> 00:31:44,240
"DID YOU GO IN?"

1126
00:31:44,259 --> 00:31:45,160
[LAUGHS]

1127
00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:47,000
WE ANSWERED THE QUESTION.

1128
00:31:47,019 --> 00:31:48,089
>> Bryant: IF I DIDN'T -- IF I

1129
00:31:48,109 --> 00:31:50,009
DIDN'T, ERIN WOULD.

1130
00:31:50,029 --> 00:31:50,230
ALL RIGHT, JON, THANKS VERY

1131
00:31:50,250 --> 00:31:51,079
MUCH.

1132
00:31:51,099 --> 00:31:53,259
>> Jon: YOU GOT IT.

1133
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,029
>> Bryant: LET'S TURN NOW TO AN

1134
00:31:56,049 --> 00:31:57,119
AMERICAN STORY THAT SAYS A LOT

1135
00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:59,099
ABOUT OUR TWISTED PRIORITIES AND

1136
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:00,200
OUR PRESENT PREDICAMENT, AND

1137
00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:02,180
NONE OF IT'S GOOD.

1138
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,009
IT'S A STORY ABOUT YOUTH SPORTS

1139
00:32:04,029 --> 00:32:05,259
AND THE EXTENT TO WHICH GAMES

1140
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,160
INVOLVING KIDS HAVE BECOME

1141
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:09,029
SUPER-SPREADER EVENTS THAT ARE

1142
00:32:09,049 --> 00:32:10,160
RETARDING MEDICAL EFFORTS TO

1143
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:12,049
COMBAT THE VIRUS AND CIVIC

1144
00:32:12,069 --> 00:32:13,109
EFFORTS TO GET PAST THE

1145
00:32:13,130 --> 00:32:15,099
PANDEMIC.

1146
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,009
AT A TIME WHEN SCHOOLS, STORES,

1147
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:18,059
AND GATHERINGS OF ALL SORTS ARE

1148
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:19,279
BEING HALTED FOR THE GOOD OF US

1149
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,200
ALL, THE BIG TIME BUSINESS OF

1150
00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:23,230
YOUTH SPORTS IS CONTINUING WITH

1151
00:32:23,250 --> 00:32:26,220
KIDS, PARENTS, COACHES AND ALL

1152
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,279
INVOLVED PROCEEDING AS IF THEY

1153
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,019
HAVEN'T A CARE IN THE WORLD, OR

1154
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,130
MUCH CONCERN FOR ANYONE ELSE.

1155
00:32:32,150 --> 00:32:36,089
OUR DAVID SCOTT HAS THAT STORY.

1156
00:32:36,109 --> 00:32:37,200
>> Narrator: CALIFORNIA HAS

1157
00:32:37,220 --> 00:32:39,109
EMERGED AS THE EPICENTER OF THE

1158
00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:41,119
PANDEMIC IN AMERICA.

1159
00:32:41,140 --> 00:32:42,250
WITH MORE CASES, AND MORE DEATHS

1160
00:32:42,269 --> 00:32:46,000
THAN ANY OTHER STATE.

1161
00:32:46,019 --> 00:32:48,039
AMIDST THE DISASTER, OFFICIALS

1162
00:32:48,059 --> 00:32:49,019
HAVE ISSUED DIRECTIVES

1163
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:50,009
SHUTTING DOWN VIRTUALLY ALL

1164
00:32:50,029 --> 00:32:51,269
WALKS OF LIFE.

1165
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:54,210
FROM WORKPLACES, TO RESTAURANTS,

1166
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:57,109
TO SCHOOLS.

1167
00:32:57,130 --> 00:32:58,150
BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS BEEN

1168
00:32:58,170 --> 00:33:03,019
WILLING TO SIT ON THE SIDELINES.

1169
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:03,279
>> PEOPLE WANT THEIR KIDS TO

1170
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,029
PLAY.

1171
00:33:05,049 --> 00:33:07,220
A LOT OF PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME.

1172
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,279
AND IF THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH ME

1173
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:09,259
AND MY OUTLOOK, THEN WE WOULDN'T

1174
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,200
BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE'RE DOING.

1175
00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:13,019
>> Narrator: JORDAN CAMPBELL

1176
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:14,069
RUNS A YOUTH FOOTBALL PROGRAM IN

1177
00:33:14,089 --> 00:33:15,269
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

1178
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:17,190
HE'S BEEN HOSTING EVENTS

1179
00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:19,019
THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC, EVEN

1180
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,029
THOUGH THEY ARE PROHIBITED BY

1181
00:33:21,049 --> 00:33:22,180
STATE GUIDELINES, AND HE'S

1182
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,140
GETTING PLENTY OF BUSINESS.

1183
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,220
>> THIRTY-SIX TEAMS, 18 GAMES A

1184
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,180
WEEKEND, AND ABOUT 1,550

1185
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,099
PLAYERS.

1186
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,079
>> David: WHEN YOU REALIZED YOU

1187
00:33:33,099 --> 00:33:34,029
WERE BREAKING BOTH COUNTY AND

1188
00:33:34,049 --> 00:33:35,230
STATE RULES, WHAT WAS YOUR

1189
00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:36,269
JUSTIFICATION FOR MOVING

1190
00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:38,140
FORWARD?

1191
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,000
>> IT WAS RISK/REWARD.

1192
00:33:40,019 --> 00:33:42,000
THE RISK WAS THAT THEY ARE GONNA

1193
00:33:42,019 --> 00:33:43,109
CLOSE DOWN MY BUSINESS, THE RISK

1194
00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:46,000
WAS THAT I'M GONNA GET FINED,

1195
00:33:46,019 --> 00:33:47,130
THE RISK WAS OBVIOUSLY HEALTH

1196
00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:48,000
AND THINGS LIKE THAT OF KIDS

1197
00:33:48,019 --> 00:33:50,000
GETTING COVID.

1198
00:33:50,019 --> 00:33:51,059
THE REWARDS WERE TO CONTINUE

1199
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:52,250
THESE KIDS' PROCESS.

1200
00:33:52,269 --> 00:33:54,150
SO WE WERE DOING WHAT WE FELT

1201
00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:56,150
WAS BEST FOR OUR PLAYERS.

1202
00:33:56,170 --> 00:33:58,000
>> Narrator: CAMPBELL SAYS THAT

1203
00:33:58,019 --> 00:33:59,150
KEEPING THE KIDS ON THE FIELD IS

1204
00:33:59,170 --> 00:34:01,099
VITAL TO THEIR PHYSICAL AND

1205
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:02,160
MENTAL HEALTH, SO HE'LL DO WHAT

1206
00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:04,220
IT TAKES TO KEEP THEM THERE.

1207
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,170
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT

1208
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:08,019
LAND, DIFFERENT PROPERTY,

1209
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:09,210
LOOKING AT INDIAN RESERVATION

1210
00:34:09,230 --> 00:34:11,000
LAND TO BUILD MORE FIELDS.

1211
00:34:11,019 --> 00:34:12,090
THE GOVERNOR CAN'T CLOSE 'EM

1212
00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:12,260
DOWN BECAUSE IT'S ON INDIAN

1213
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,289
PROPERTY.

1214
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:16,010
>> David: SO IS THAT THE GAME

1215
00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:17,010
NOW, FINDING PLACES WHERE YOU

1216
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:17,260
CAN EVADE GOVERNMENT

1217
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,130
RESTRICTIONS?

1218
00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:20,250
>> OBVIOUSLY.

1219
00:34:20,269 --> 00:34:22,070
>> Narrator: OF COURSE, CAMPBELL

1220
00:34:22,090 --> 00:34:23,139
AND HIS TEAMS ARE HARDLY THE

1221
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:24,059
ONLY ONES PLAYING ON THROUGH THE

1222
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,159
PANDEMIC.

1223
00:34:26,179 --> 00:34:31,210
FROM BASKETBALL TO WRESTLING,

1224
00:34:31,230 --> 00:34:35,170
FROM CHEERLEADING TO LACROSSE,

1225
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:37,269
YOUTH SPORTS HAVE CONTINUED

1226
00:34:37,289 --> 00:34:38,150
AROUND THE COUNTRY THROUGH THE

1227
00:34:38,170 --> 00:34:40,190
WINTERTIME SURGE.

1228
00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:42,280
IT'S EASY TO FIND EVENTS THAT

1229
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,099
BRING HUNDREDS, EVEN THOUSANDS

1230
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:45,139
OF PEOPLE TOGETHER, FOR ENTIRE

1231
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:47,239
WEEKENDS AT A TIME.

1232
00:34:47,260 --> 00:34:51,090
IT CAN BE HARDER TO FIND BASIC

1233
00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:52,050
SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE,

1234
00:34:52,070 --> 00:34:53,190
LIKE MASKING, DISTANCING, AND

1235
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:55,199
TESTING FOR THE VIRUS.

1236
00:34:55,219 --> 00:34:57,059
>> David: IT'S VERY HARD TO

1237
00:34:57,079 --> 00:34:59,019
SEE EVIDENCE OF SAFETY PROTOCOLS

1238
00:34:59,039 --> 00:35:01,030
BEING FOLLOWED.

1239
00:35:01,050 --> 00:35:02,210
DID YOU WORK WITH ANY PUBLIC

1240
00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:04,210
HEALTH EXPERTS TO UNDERSTAND THE

1241
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:05,150
RISKS TO THE PLAYERS AND OTHER

1242
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:07,090
PARTICIPANTS?

1243
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:08,179
>> I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE OF

1244
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:09,269
WHAT THOSE RISKS ARE.

1245
00:35:09,289 --> 00:35:10,150
IT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT ON THE

1246
00:35:10,170 --> 00:35:12,000
MEDIA CONSTANTLY.

1247
00:35:12,019 --> 00:35:12,269
AND IT'S REALLY WHAT SIDE OF THE

1248
00:35:12,289 --> 00:35:14,059
FENCE THAT YOU'RE ON.

1249
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:15,070
>> Narrator: BUT IF CAMPBELL AND

1250
00:35:15,090 --> 00:35:16,070
HIS CLIENTS ARE NOT WORRIED,

1251
00:35:16,090 --> 00:35:17,260
OTHERS ARE.

1252
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,050
BECAUSE THESE EVENTS TYPICALLY

1253
00:35:19,070 --> 00:35:20,289
ATTRACT FAMILIES FROM FAR AND

1254
00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:23,030
WIDE, THEN SEND THEM BACK HOME,

1255
00:35:23,050 --> 00:35:25,019
POTENTIALLY SPREADING THE VIRUS

1256
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:27,039
FAR AND WIDE, AS HAPPENED AFTER

1257
00:35:27,059 --> 00:35:28,260
ONE TOURNAMENT UPSTATE.

1258
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,090
>> A YOUTH BASKETBALL CENTER IN

1259
00:35:30,110 --> 00:35:32,010
ROCKLIN IN THE HOTSEAT AFTER

1260
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:33,190
DOZENS TEST POSITIVE FOR

1261
00:35:33,210 --> 00:35:35,030
COVID-19 AFTER A MASSIVE

1262
00:35:35,050 --> 00:35:36,199
TOURNAMENT.

1263
00:35:36,219 --> 00:35:38,070
THE TOURNAMENTS WERE NOT

1264
00:35:38,090 --> 00:35:38,239
PERMITTED UNDER STATE HEALTH

1265
00:35:38,260 --> 00:35:40,199
ORDERS.

1266
00:35:40,219 --> 00:35:41,250
>> David: WHEN YOU SEE, LIKE

1267
00:35:41,269 --> 00:35:43,110
THIS CASE IN ROCKLIN WITH THE

1268
00:35:43,130 --> 00:35:44,210
BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT WHERE

1269
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:46,179
SCIENCE SHOWS US HOW COVID CAN

1270
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:49,139
SPREAD QUICKLY TO 100 PEOPLE

1271
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:51,119
FROM JUST ONE EVENT, DOES THAT

1272
00:35:51,139 --> 00:35:52,179
NOT MAKE YOU THINK TWICE ABOUT

1273
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:55,130
BRINGING THOUSANDS OF KIDS IN

1274
00:35:55,150 --> 00:35:57,059
ADDITION TO THEIR PARENTS

1275
00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:58,130
TOGETHER --

1276
00:35:58,150 --> 00:35:59,289
>> AND SO COULD THE FLU.

1277
00:36:00,010 --> 00:36:01,030
NO ONE TALKS ABOUT THE FLU

1278
00:36:01,050 --> 00:36:02,079
ANYMORE EITHER.

1279
00:36:02,099 --> 00:36:03,119
COVID, THE FLU, THERE'S PEOPLE

1280
00:36:03,139 --> 00:36:04,260
WHO DIE FROM BOTH.

1281
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,239
>> David: DO YOU NOT ACCEPT THAT

1282
00:36:06,260 --> 00:36:08,050
BRINGING THOUSANDS OF KIDS

1283
00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:11,239
TOGETHER IN THIS PERIOD, IN THE

1284
00:36:11,260 --> 00:36:13,139
MIDST OF A RAGING PANDEMIC,

1285
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:13,289
RISKS A WORSENING --

1286
00:36:14,010 --> 00:36:14,159
>> NO, I DO NOT --

1287
00:36:14,179 --> 00:36:14,289
>> David: SITUATION?

1288
00:36:15,010 --> 00:36:15,090
>> ACCEPT IT.

1289
00:36:15,110 --> 00:36:17,269
I DON'T ACCEPT IT.

1290
00:36:17,289 --> 00:36:18,199
>> Narrator: BUT OTHERS HAVE

1291
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:19,059
REACHED A VERY DIFFERENT

1292
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:20,210
CONCLUSION.

1293
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:22,010
LAST OCTOBER, THE STATE OF

1294
00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:23,219
VERMONT APPEARED TO HAVE THE

1295
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,219
SPREAD OF COVID UNDER CONTROL.

1296
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,139
>> THERE ISN'T A SINGLE

1297
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:28,280
STUDENT IN QUARANTINE RIGHT NOW

1298
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,219
IN ANY CAMPUS ACROSS THE STATE.

1299
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,070
>> Narrator: BUT THAT BEGAN TO

1300
00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:34,159
CHANGE AFTER THIS HOCKEY RINK

1301
00:36:34,179 --> 00:36:36,050
HOSTED A WEEKEND'S WORTH OF

1302
00:36:36,070 --> 00:36:37,210
ACTIVITY, BRINGING TOGETHER

1303
00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:38,210
ATHLETES AND THEIR FAMILIES FROM

1304
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:40,219
ACROSS THE REGION.

1305
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,150
JUST A FEW WEEKS LATER...

1306
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:44,119
>> THERE ARE NOW 89 TOTAL

1307
00:36:44,139 --> 00:36:45,230
INFECTIONS RELATED TO THE HOCKEY

1308
00:36:45,250 --> 00:36:47,239
OUTBREAK IN CENTRAL VERMONT,

1309
00:36:47,260 --> 00:36:49,010
WHICH THEN LED TO A DOMINO

1310
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:50,260
EFFECT OF FOUR ADDITIONAL

1311
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,030
OUTBREAKS AND EXPOSURES AT 19

1312
00:36:52,050 --> 00:36:54,230
OTHER LOCATIONS.

1313
00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:56,119
>> WE SAW IT IN MULTIPLE

1314
00:36:56,139 --> 00:36:59,050
WORKPLACES, MULTIPLE K THROUGH

1315
00:36:59,070 --> 00:37:00,110
12 SCHOOLS, AND MULTIPLE

1316
00:37:00,130 --> 00:37:02,019
COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES.

1317
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,010
>> Narrator: DR. PATSY KELSO IS

1318
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:06,110
VERMONT'S CHIEF EPIDEMIOLOGIST.

1319
00:37:06,130 --> 00:37:08,019
>> David: WAS IT LIMITED TO --

1320
00:37:08,039 --> 00:37:09,050
TO COMMUNITIES IMMEDIATELY

1321
00:37:09,070 --> 00:37:11,000
AROUND THE -- THE ICE RINK?

1322
00:37:11,019 --> 00:37:13,179
>> NO, IT -- IT REACHED ALMOST

1323
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:14,260
ALL OF THE STATE.

1324
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,119
AND THAT HAPPENED PRETTY

1325
00:37:15,139 --> 00:37:16,130
QUICKLY.

1326
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:17,179
>> Narrator: HOPING TO AVOID

1327
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:18,289
FURTHER OUTBREAKS, VERMONT

1328
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:20,210
OFFICIALS TOOK A BOLD STEP,

1329
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:22,219
SUSPENDING RECREATIONAL SPORTS

1330
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,199
ACROSS THE STATE.

1331
00:37:24,219 --> 00:37:26,219
>> IT'S SO CHALLENGING, BECAUSE

1332
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,179
SPORTS ARE SO IMPORTANT, BUT SO

1333
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:31,000
IS PROTECTING LIVES.

1334
00:37:31,019 --> 00:37:31,250
>> LET US PLAY!

1335
00:37:31,269 --> 00:37:34,050
LET US PLAY!

1336
00:37:34,070 --> 00:37:35,170
>> Narrator: BUT GOVERNMENT

1337
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:36,119
ATTEMPTS TO RESTRICT YOUTH

1338
00:37:36,139 --> 00:37:38,110
SPORTS IN THE MIDST OF THE

1339
00:37:38,130 --> 00:37:39,230
PANDEMIC HAVE TRIGGERED PROTESTS

1340
00:37:39,250 --> 00:37:45,170
FROM ATHLETES AND THEIR FAMILIES

1341
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:46,030
FROM MICHIGAN...

1342
00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:46,190
>> THESE ARE OUR CHOICES!

1343
00:37:46,210 --> 00:37:47,110
OUR CHILDREN!

1344
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:47,260
LET THEM PLAY!

1345
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,139
>> Narrator: TO PENNSYLVANIA...

1346
00:37:49,159 --> 00:37:50,139
>> LET OUR KIDS PLAY IN

1347
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:51,289
PA.

1348
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:53,110
>> Narrator: TO CONNECTICUT,

1349
00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:55,030
WHERE A MASSIVE PROTEST ERUPTED

1350
00:37:55,050 --> 00:37:56,130
LAST FALL AFTER AUTHORITIES

1351
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:57,239
POSTPONED THE PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL

1352
00:37:57,260 --> 00:37:58,289
FOOTBALL SEASON.

1353
00:37:59,010 --> 00:37:59,260
>> LET US PLAY.

1354
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,050
LET US PLAY.

1355
00:38:02,070 --> 00:38:04,000
>> Narrator: WHEN OFFICIALS HELD

1356
00:38:04,019 --> 00:38:05,139
THEIR GROUND, LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL

1357
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,070
TEAMS JUST CALLED AN END-AROUND,

1358
00:38:07,090 --> 00:38:09,079
EXPLOITING A LOOPHOLE IN THE

1359
00:38:09,099 --> 00:38:10,170
SHUT-DOWN RULES THAT ALLOWED FOR

1360
00:38:10,190 --> 00:38:12,210
PRIVATE FOOTBALL TEAMS.

1361
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:16,019
>> THEY FORMED INDEPENDENT

1362
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:18,099
FOOTBALL LEAGUES AND DECIDED TO

1363
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:19,039
HAVE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL

1364
00:38:19,059 --> 00:38:20,190
WITHOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL.

1365
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:22,000
>> Narrator: CHARLES BROWN, THE

1366
00:38:22,019 --> 00:38:23,090
HEALTH DIRECTOR FOR CENTRAL

1367
00:38:23,110 --> 00:38:25,000
CONNECTICUT, WATCHED IN

1368
00:38:25,019 --> 00:38:26,260
DISBELIEF AS PRIVATE TEAMS

1369
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,199
FORMED OVERNIGHT, TEAMS

1370
00:38:28,219 --> 00:38:30,070
CONSISTING OF LARGELY THE EXACT

1371
00:38:30,090 --> 00:38:32,099
SAME PLAYERS AND COACHES THAT

1372
00:38:32,119 --> 00:38:33,130
ONCE REPRESENTED THEIR LOCAL

1373
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:34,210
SCHOOLS.

1374
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:37,070
>> IN SOME CASES IT WAS

1375
00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:38,039
SUPPORTED BY THE EQUIPMENT

1376
00:38:38,059 --> 00:38:40,099
AND EVERYTHING THAT THE HIGH

1377
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:42,000
SCHOOL HAD WAS DONATED OR

1378
00:38:42,019 --> 00:38:42,260
GIVEN OVER TO THEM SO THAT THEY

1379
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,250
COULD DO IT.

1380
00:38:44,269 --> 00:38:46,090
>> Narrator: EVERYONE WAS IN ON

1381
00:38:46,110 --> 00:38:48,010
THE CHARADE, EVEN THE TV CREWS

1382
00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:49,260
THAT BROADCAST THE GAMES.

1383
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,019
>> NOW I DO WANT TO REMIND

1384
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:52,260
EVERYBODY THAT NONE OF THESE

1385
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,199
TEAMS ARE AFFILIATED WITH

1386
00:38:54,219 --> 00:38:55,250
THE HIGH SCHOOLS THAT THEY'RE

1387
00:38:55,269 --> 00:38:58,070
PLAYERS OR COACHES MIGHT WORK

1388
00:38:58,090 --> 00:39:00,000
AT, MIGHT ATTEND.

1389
00:39:00,019 --> 00:39:01,170
THEY ARE PRIVATE FOOTBALL TEAMS.

1390
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:02,050
THIS IS A PRIVATE FOOTBALL

1391
00:39:02,070 --> 00:39:03,260
LEAGUE.

1392
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,260
>> David: YOU'RE WATCHING THIS

1393
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,210
UNFOLD, AND -- AND WHAT ARE YOU

1394
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:11,170
-- WHAT YOU ARE MAKING OF IT?

1395
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:12,110
>> IT'S LIKE WATCHING A TRAIN

1396
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:13,039
WRECK AND KNOWING THAT IT'S

1397
00:39:13,059 --> 00:39:13,289
GONNA WRECK.

1398
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:14,199
AND NOT BEING ANY -- ABLE TO DO

1399
00:39:14,219 --> 00:39:15,289
ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

1400
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:17,150
>> Narrator: SURE ENOUGH, THE

1401
00:39:17,170 --> 00:39:20,119
VIRUS BEGAN TO CIRCULATE WITHIN

1402
00:39:20,139 --> 00:39:21,190
TEAMS, THEN THE COMMUNITY.

1403
00:39:21,210 --> 00:39:23,280
AND WITHIN A MONTH, THESE AND

1404
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,139
OTHER SPORTING EVENTS LED TO THE

1405
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:26,179
CLOSURE OF 17 SCHOOLS ACROSS THE

1406
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,159
STATE.

1407
00:39:28,179 --> 00:39:30,260
A SIMILAR PATTERN HAS PLAYED OUT

1408
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,050
ALL WINTER ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

1409
00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:34,269
IN MINNESOTA, 10,000 CASES WERE

1410
00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:36,150
TRACED TO SPORTS ACTIVITIES,

1411
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:37,210
FORCING MANY SCHOOLS TO GO TO

1412
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:39,179
DISTANCE LEARNING.

1413
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,219
IN FLORIDA, DOZENS OF WRESTLERS

1414
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,059
CONTRACTED THE VIRUS AT A

1415
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:45,280
WRESTLING TOURNAMENT, LEADING TO

1416
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,090
MORE THAN 1700 LOST SCHOOL DAYS.

1417
00:39:48,110 --> 00:39:50,139
BACK IN CONNECTICUT, AFTER YOUTH

1418
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:52,170
SPORTS TEAMS WERE IMPLICATED IN

1419
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:54,230
29 SEPARATE OUTBREAKS, OFFICIALS

1420
00:39:54,250 --> 00:39:57,289
FINALLY SHUT THE GAMES DOWN.

1421
00:39:58,010 --> 00:39:59,170
>> SPORT, WHILE IMPORTANT TO

1422
00:39:59,190 --> 00:40:02,030
PEOPLE'S LIVES, IS NOT

1423
00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:05,010
ESSENTIAL.

1424
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:06,099
AND WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH

1425
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,010
THINGS IN THE MIDST OF A

1426
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:10,190
PANDEMIC, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT

1427
00:40:10,210 --> 00:40:13,230
THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL,

1428
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:16,289
THAT WE NEED TO DO, AND CURTAIL

1429
00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:19,010
THE ONES THAT AREN'T.

1430
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:20,170
>> Narrator: BUT EVEN WHEN

1431
00:40:20,190 --> 00:40:21,269
COMMUNITIES DO SHUT DOWN THESE

1432
00:40:21,289 --> 00:40:23,219
ACTIVITIES, YOUNG ATHLETES AND

1433
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,130
THEIR FAMILIES ARE FINDING OTHER

1434
00:40:25,150 --> 00:40:26,050
PLACES WILLING TO LET THEM PLAY

1435
00:40:26,070 --> 00:40:27,239
ON.

1436
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:29,030
WHEN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA

1437
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:30,150
SUSPENDED YOUTH SPORTS

1438
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:31,289
COMPETITIONS, CITIES IN

1439
00:40:32,010 --> 00:40:33,130
NEIGHBORING ARIZONA WELCOMED

1440
00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:35,230
THEM WITH OPEN ARMS, SEEING AN

1441
00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:38,269
OPPORTUNITY TO GRAB A BIGGER

1442
00:40:38,289 --> 00:40:39,280
PIECE OF THE

1443
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,139
MULTI-BILLION-DOLLAR YOUTH

1444
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:41,019
SPORTS PIE.

1445
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:42,030
>> WELL, DEVELOPING TONIGHT

1446
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:42,210
THE CITY OF YUMA HAS BECOME A

1447
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:43,269
HOTSPOT FOR OUT-OF-TOWN

1448
00:40:43,289 --> 00:40:45,019
ATHLETICS LOOKING TO PLAY BALL

1449
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:46,059
THAT IS.

1450
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,139
>> Narrator: HUNDREDS OF

1451
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:48,130
THOUSANDS OF ATHLETES AND THEIR

1452
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:50,159
FAMILIES DESCENDED ON ARIZONA,

1453
00:40:50,179 --> 00:40:52,159
TO THE DISMAY OF LOCAL MEDICAL

1454
00:40:52,179 --> 00:40:54,210
PERSONNEL, LIKE DR. MARJORIE

1455
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:56,019
BESSEL, WHO RUNS THE STATE'S

1456
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:58,070
LARGEST HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.

1457
00:40:58,090 --> 00:40:59,110
>> David: YUMA, ARIZONA, WHICH

1458
00:40:59,130 --> 00:41:01,010
IS JUST OVER THE BORDER FROM

1459
00:41:01,030 --> 00:41:03,210
CALIFORNIA, HAS BEEN HOST

1460
00:41:03,230 --> 00:41:06,070
RECENTLY TO THE YUMA FALL

1461
00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:08,269
CLASSIC, THE YUMA SUMMER

1462
00:41:08,289 --> 00:41:10,289
SIZZLE, THE YUMA HALLOWEEN BASH,

1463
00:41:11,010 --> 00:41:12,159
THE YUMA WINTER CLASSIC, THE

1464
00:41:12,179 --> 00:41:14,190
YUMA TURKEY TROT, THE YUMA

1465
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:17,030
CHRISTMAS CLASSIC, AND THE YUMA

1466
00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:19,159
NEW YEAR'S SHOWDOWN.

1467
00:41:19,179 --> 00:41:22,010
AND THAT'S JUST BASEBALL, RIGHT?

1468
00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:23,090
>> SO THAT LIST THAT YOU RECITED

1469
00:41:23,110 --> 00:41:24,039
TO ME IS OF COURSE QUITE

1470
00:41:24,059 --> 00:41:26,130
DISTURBING.

1471
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,030
YUMA HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY HARD

1472
00:41:28,050 --> 00:41:31,010
HIT DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC.

1473
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:33,150
AND HAS HAD TO EXPORT OR SEND

1474
00:41:33,170 --> 00:41:35,239
MANY OF THEIR HOSPITALIZED

1475
00:41:35,260 --> 00:41:37,059
PATIENTS DOWN INTO OTHER AREAS

1476
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:38,239
OF ARIZONA.

1477
00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:40,050
>> Narrator: BESSEL LOBBIED

1478
00:41:40,070 --> 00:41:43,070
LOCAL AND STATE OFFICIALS TO BAN

1479
00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:44,170
THESE EVENTS, BUT WAS LARGELY

1480
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:45,079
UNSUCCESSFUL, SO THE GAMES HAVE

1481
00:41:45,099 --> 00:41:47,039
GONE ON ALL WINTER.

1482
00:41:47,059 --> 00:41:48,159
>> THE CDC URGING PEOPLE TO

1483
00:41:48,179 --> 00:41:50,199
STAY HOME AND AVOID TRAVEL.

1484
00:41:50,219 --> 00:41:52,260
BUT THIS WEEKEND IN ARIZONA,

1485
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,199
WE'RE SEEING JUST THE OPPOSITE.

1486
00:41:54,219 --> 00:41:56,150
YOUTH SPORTS TEAMS AROUND THE

1487
00:41:56,170 --> 00:41:57,070
REGION ARE TRAVELLING THE VALLEY

1488
00:41:57,090 --> 00:41:58,289
TO COMPETE.

1489
00:41:59,010 --> 00:42:00,059
>> Narrator: IN DECEMBER,

1490
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:02,010
THOUSANDS OF FAMILIES FLOCKED TO

1491
00:42:02,030 --> 00:42:03,289
ARIZONA FOR AN ANNUAL SOCCER

1492
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:06,130
EVENT CALLED THE "SURF CUP,"

1493
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:08,230
WHICH, AS ITS NAME SUGGESTS, IS

1494
00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:09,070
NORMALLY HELD NEAR THE

1495
00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:10,280
CALIFORNIA COAST.

1496
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:11,269
THIS YEAR, WITH CALIFORNIA'S BAN

1497
00:42:11,289 --> 00:42:14,050
IN PLACE, IT WAS MOVED HUNDREDS

1498
00:42:14,070 --> 00:42:16,079
OF MILES INTO THE DESERT.

1499
00:42:16,099 --> 00:42:18,019
>> David: MUST BE A RATHER LONG

1500
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:19,210
DRIVE FROM ORANGE COUNTY TO THAT

1501
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:21,179
PART OF ARIZONA.

1502
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,260
>> WE'RE KINDA USED TO IT.

1503
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,219
SO BY THIS SURF CUP, WE KINDA

1504
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,030
HAD A SYSTEM, HOW TO PACK THE

1505
00:42:29,050 --> 00:42:31,000
CAR, WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE.

1506
00:42:31,019 --> 00:42:32,010
>> Narrator: THAT'S BECAUSE

1507
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:33,219
KEVIN CLARK AND HIS FAMILY HAVE

1508
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,210
TRAVELED FROM CALIFORNIA TO

1509
00:42:35,230 --> 00:42:37,110
ARIZONA REGULARLY THIS WINTER,

1510
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:39,059
TO GO TO SPORTS TOURNAMENTS THAT

1511
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:40,030
THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY IN

1512
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:41,199
AT HOME.

1513
00:42:41,219 --> 00:42:43,070
>> David: YOU WERE AWARE THAT

1514
00:42:43,090 --> 00:42:43,260
CALIFORNIA WASN'T ALLOWING THESE

1515
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,190
TOURNAMENTS.

1516
00:42:45,210 --> 00:42:47,159
WAS THAT NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU TO

1517
00:42:47,179 --> 00:42:51,019
RETHINK TRAVELING OUT OF STATE

1518
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,030
TO THE VERY TOURNAMENT THAT

1519
00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:54,070
CALIFORNIA WAS SAYING IS NOT

1520
00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:55,150
SAFE?

1521
00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:56,179
>> YOU KNOW WHAT?

1522
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:58,159
IT REALLY WASN'T.

1523
00:42:58,179 --> 00:42:59,199
MY KIDS, THEY'RE IN THEIR, YOU

1524
00:42:59,219 --> 00:43:00,170
KNOW, SOPHOMORE, JUNIOR YEAR.

1525
00:43:00,190 --> 00:43:02,030
THE CLOCK IS A LITTLE BIT

1526
00:43:02,050 --> 00:43:03,150
TICKING THERE WITH COLLEGE AND

1527
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:05,079
BEING ABLE TO GET RECOGNIZED AND

1528
00:43:05,099 --> 00:43:06,260
BEING ABLE TO HAVE GAME VIDEO

1529
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,210
FOOTAGE OF THEM PLAYING.

1530
00:43:09,230 --> 00:43:11,150
I THINK, IN ORDER TO KEEP UP, IN

1531
00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:12,289
HOPES OF THE GIRLS GETTING TO

1532
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:14,190
THE COLLEGE LEVEL AND CONTINUING

1533
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:16,070
ON WITH THEIR DREAMS, I DON'T

1534
00:43:16,090 --> 00:43:18,139
KNOW WHAT ELSE THERE IS TO DO.

1535
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:19,260
HAVE THEM STOP WHILE THE OTHERS

1536
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,030
PLAY?

1537
00:43:22,050 --> 00:43:23,179
>> Narrator: IT'S A CONCERN

1538
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:25,030
VOICED BY MANY PARENTS AND

1539
00:43:25,050 --> 00:43:26,190
COACHES WHO WORRY THAT THEIR

1540
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:28,150
KIDS WILL FALL BEHIND ON THE

1541
00:43:28,170 --> 00:43:29,079
PLAYING FIELD AFTER YEARS OF

1542
00:43:29,099 --> 00:43:31,099
HARD WORK.

1543
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:32,260
>> THE KIDS THAT I HAVE OUT

1544
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,010
HERE, A LOT OF THE KIDS WHO'VE

1545
00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:35,119
BEEN IN MY PROGRAM SINCE THEY

1546
00:43:35,139 --> 00:43:36,000
WERE SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE YEARS

1547
00:43:36,019 --> 00:43:36,170
OLD, I'VE COACHED THEM THIS

1548
00:43:36,190 --> 00:43:37,179
WHOLE TIME.

1549
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:39,119
I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE

1550
00:43:39,139 --> 00:43:40,190
KEPT OUR KIDS MOVING IN THE

1551
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:41,070
RIGHT DIRECTION AND GETTING THEM

1552
00:43:41,090 --> 00:43:42,070
OPPORTUNITY.

1553
00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:44,269
WE DIDN'T CRUSH ALL THEIR

1554
00:43:44,289 --> 00:43:47,010
DREAMS, WHICH HAS HAPPENED TO SO

1555
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:47,170
MANY ATHLETES IN THE AREA.

1556
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:48,159
>> David: FAMILIES SAY

1557
00:43:48,179 --> 00:43:50,030
THEY'RE SIMPLY TRYING TO GIVE

1558
00:43:50,050 --> 00:43:52,059
THEIR KIDS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE

1559
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:53,239
ACTIVE, TO GET THE BENEFITS

1560
00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:54,190
THAT -- THAT -- THAT SPORTS

1561
00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:56,110
BRINGS TO THEM.

1562
00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:57,230
IT SOUNDS, AT LEAST IN A VACUUM,

1563
00:43:57,250 --> 00:43:59,000
REASONABLE.

1564
00:43:59,019 --> 00:43:59,190
>> WELL, WE'RE NOT LIVING IN A

1565
00:43:59,210 --> 00:44:01,150
VACUUM.

1566
00:44:01,170 --> 00:44:03,239
YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN

1567
00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:05,260
A PANDEMIC, EVERYBODY'S ACTIONS

1568
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,219
CAN IMPACT SOMEBODY ELSE.

1569
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,230
WE ARE NOT ABLE TO LIVE IN A

1570
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:11,090
VACUUM WHEN IT RELATES TO THE

1571
00:44:11,110 --> 00:44:11,289
SPREAD OF THIS HIGHLY CONTAGIOUS

1572
00:44:12,010 --> 00:44:15,070
VIRUS.

1573
00:44:15,090 --> 00:44:16,179
>> Bryant: HAPPY TO HAVE DAVID

1574
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:17,190
SCOTT WITH US FROM NEW YORK.

1575
00:44:17,210 --> 00:44:18,000
HEY, DAVID.

1576
00:44:18,019 --> 00:44:19,139
>> David: HEY, BRYANT.

1577
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:21,019
>> Bryant: DAVID, WHENEVER I

1578
00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:22,090
HEAR A GUY LIKE JORDAN CAMPBELL

1579
00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:23,079
SAY, "WE'RE DOING IT FOR THE

1580
00:44:23,099 --> 00:44:25,039
KIDS," I'M NEVER BUYING IT.

1581
00:44:25,059 --> 00:44:27,000
IN HIS WORLD, MORE KIDS MEAN

1582
00:44:27,019 --> 00:44:28,139
MORE MONEY?

1583
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,130
>> David: ABSOLUTELY.

1584
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:32,159
JORDAN CAMPBELL IS PART OF A

1585
00:44:32,179 --> 00:44:34,110
HUGE AND GROWING INDUSTRY, A

1586
00:44:34,130 --> 00:44:35,250
MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY,

1587
00:44:35,269 --> 00:44:38,079
THAT REALLY THRIVES OFF OF

1588
00:44:38,099 --> 00:44:39,219
PARENTS' HEAVY INCENTIVES TO

1589
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,159
KEEP THEIR KIDS IN PLAY WITH THE

1590
00:44:41,179 --> 00:44:43,199
DREAM OF A COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIP.

1591
00:44:43,219 --> 00:44:44,119
>> Bryant: THESE ARE MY WORDS,

1592
00:44:44,139 --> 00:44:46,110
NOT YOURS, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE

1593
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:47,039
ENGAGED IN THIS, ARE THEY

1594
00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:48,079
CALLOUS?

1595
00:44:48,099 --> 00:44:49,119
ARE THEY IGNORANT?

1596
00:44:49,139 --> 00:44:50,050
ARE THEY ARROGANT?

1597
00:44:50,070 --> 00:44:51,090
ARE THEY NAÏVE?

1598
00:44:51,110 --> 00:44:53,000
ARE THEY ALL OF THE ABOVE?

1599
00:44:53,019 --> 00:44:53,190
"BRYANT, YOU'RE TOO HARSH," OR

1600
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:55,000
WHAT?

1601
00:44:55,019 --> 00:44:56,190
>> David: I HAVE SOME SYMPATHY

1602
00:44:56,210 --> 00:44:58,150
FOR THE PARENTS WHO HAVE

1603
00:44:58,170 --> 00:45:02,199
INVESTED THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF

1604
00:45:02,219 --> 00:45:03,090
TIME, MANY, MANY THOUSANDS OF

1605
00:45:03,110 --> 00:45:05,230
DOLLARS OVER MANY YEARS, IN

1606
00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:07,250
THEIR YOUNG KIDS' SPORTS CAREERS

1607
00:45:07,269 --> 00:45:09,130
WITH THE DREAM THAT THEY CAN

1608
00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:10,260
RECOUP THAT INVESTMENT IN THE

1609
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,019
FORM OF A COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIP.

1610
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:12,239
AND I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S

1611
00:45:12,260 --> 00:45:17,019
DRIVING THEM.

1612
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:17,190
YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO STOP THE

1613
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:18,239
GAME, JUST AS YOUR KID IS

1614
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:20,139
GETTING WITHIN ARMS-REACH

1615
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,010
OF THAT MONEY, AND IT'S JUST A

1616
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:25,000
VERY COMMERCIALIZED AND VERY

1617
00:45:25,019 --> 00:45:25,239
COMPETITIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR

1618
00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:27,059
THEM.

1619
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:27,239
>> Bryant: SO, REAL QUICK, IS

1620
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:29,050
THERE ANY SOLUTION?

1621
00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:30,150
>> David: WELL, YOU KNOW,

1622
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:32,190
PUBLIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES ARE

1623
00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:34,079
ENCOURAGING KIDS TO GET OUT AND

1624
00:45:34,099 --> 00:45:37,000
EXERCISE AND DO SPORTS.

1625
00:45:37,019 --> 00:45:38,130
NOBODY IS SAYING TO COMPLETELY

1626
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:40,010
STAND DOWN.

1627
00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:42,059
BUT, THEY'RE DIFFERENTIATING

1628
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:44,110
BETWEEN TEAM PRACTICES AND

1629
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:46,010
SKILL-BUILDING AND COMPETITION.

1630
00:45:46,030 --> 00:45:49,099
AND PARTICULARLY TRAVEL AND

1631
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:49,289
TOURNAMENT COMPETITION, WHICH IS

1632
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:51,110
REALLY THE SLIPPERY SLOPE HERE.

1633
00:45:51,130 --> 00:45:52,050
>> Bryant: ALL RIGHT.

1634
00:45:52,070 --> 00:45:52,219
DAVID, THANKS SO VERY MUCH.

1635
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,130
WELL DONE.

1636
00:45:53,150 --> 00:45:54,199
STAY SAFE, WILL YOU, PAL?

1637
00:45:54,219 --> 00:45:55,059
>> David: THANK YOU, SIR.

1638
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:57,110
YOU TOO.

1639
00:45:57,130 --> 00:45:58,190
>> Bryant: OUR FINAL STORY THIS

1640
00:45:58,210 --> 00:46:00,119
EVENING IS AN UPDATE OF SORTS,

1641
00:46:00,139 --> 00:46:01,289
ABOUT A GAME THAT CAN BE PLAYED

1642
00:46:02,010 --> 00:46:03,110
SAFELY IN A PANDEMIC AND HAS

1643
00:46:03,130 --> 00:46:05,150
THEREFORE SKYROCKETED IN

1644
00:46:05,170 --> 00:46:07,150
POPULARITY OVER THE PAST YEAR.

1645
00:46:07,170 --> 00:46:11,159
IT'S CHESS, AN OLD GAME THAT HAS

1646
00:46:11,179 --> 00:46:12,039
FOUND NEW LIFE IN 2020, TO THE

1647
00:46:12,059 --> 00:46:13,039
SURPRISE AND SATISFACTION OF ONE

1648
00:46:13,059 --> 00:46:15,030
ITS BIGGEST BENEFACTORS.

1649
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:16,199
OUR SOLEDAD O'BRIEN HAS MORE ON

1650
00:46:16,219 --> 00:46:17,250
THAT BENEFACTOR AND HIS GAME'S

1651
00:46:17,269 --> 00:46:21,139
TIMELESS APPEAL.

1652
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:22,269
>> Narrator: FOR MOST SPORTS,

1653
00:46:22,289 --> 00:46:24,230
2020 WAS A YEAR OF LOSS,

1654
00:46:24,250 --> 00:46:26,079
FEATURING FEWER GAMES, PLAYED BY

1655
00:46:26,099 --> 00:46:28,190
FEWER ATHLETES, WATCHED BY FEWER

1656
00:46:28,210 --> 00:46:31,039
FANS, BUT FOR ONE SPORT, 2020

1657
00:46:31,059 --> 00:46:35,269
WAS A MASSIVE WIN.

1658
00:46:35,289 --> 00:46:36,250
>> OKAY, HERE WE GO, ROUND ONE.

1659
00:46:36,269 --> 00:46:37,260
>> Narrator: IT WAS THE YEAR

1660
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,219
THAT CHESS, ONE OF THE WORLD'S

1661
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,000
OLDEST GAMES, TAPPED INTO THE

1662
00:46:41,019 --> 00:46:43,210
POWER OF NEW MEDIA AND SOMEHOW

1663
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:46,179
BECAME ALL THE RAGE.

1664
00:46:46,199 --> 00:46:47,199
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE

1665
00:46:47,219 --> 00:46:48,110
STATISTICS, HOW MANY PEOPLE

1666
00:46:48,130 --> 00:46:49,090
PLAYED CHESS ONLINE, THE NUMBERS

1667
00:46:49,110 --> 00:46:51,030
ARE STAGGERING.

1668
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:52,119
THE IMPROVEMENT IS HUNDREDS OF

1669
00:46:52,139 --> 00:46:54,110
PERCENT AROUND THE WORLD.

1670
00:46:54,130 --> 00:46:55,190
>> Narrator: REX SINQUEFIELD IS

1671
00:46:55,210 --> 00:46:57,099
THE PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD CHESS

1672
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,289
HALL OF FAME BASED IN ST. LOUIS.

1673
00:47:00,010 --> 00:47:01,070
>> Soledad: SO MANY SPORTS

1674
00:47:01,090 --> 00:47:03,039
STRUGGLED, BUT CHESS DID GREAT.

1675
00:47:03,059 --> 00:47:04,170
>> CHESS BOOMED.

1676
00:47:04,190 --> 00:47:06,039
IN TERMS OF INCREASE IN

1677
00:47:06,059 --> 00:47:06,289
AUDIENCE, WE PROBABLY DWARFED

1678
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:08,150
EVERY OTHER SPORT.

1679
00:47:08,170 --> 00:47:10,139
>> Narrator: TURNS OUT, ONLINE

1680
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:13,250
CHESS IS THE PERFECT SPORT FOR

1681
00:47:13,269 --> 00:47:14,090
THE STAY-AT-HOME ERA.

1682
00:47:14,110 --> 00:47:15,190
MILLIONS BEGAN TO PLAY AFTER THE

1683
00:47:15,210 --> 00:47:17,199
PANDEMIC STRUCK, AND BEFORE

1684
00:47:17,219 --> 00:47:19,179
LONG, THERE WERE CHANNELS

1685
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:21,179
ON YOUTUBE, LOTS OF THEM,

1686
00:47:21,199 --> 00:47:23,230
ENTIRELY DEVOTED TO THE GAME.

1687
00:47:23,250 --> 00:47:25,010
>> HI, GUYS!

1688
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:27,150
>> Narrator: SO POPULAR ARE

1689
00:47:27,170 --> 00:47:30,130
THESE CHANNELS, THAT THEIR HOSTS

1690
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:30,260
HAVE BECOME INTERNET

1691
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,199
CELEBRITIES.

1692
00:47:31,219 --> 00:47:32,190
>> IS THAT SEXY OR WHAT?

1693
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:33,269
THIS IS A -- THIS IS A

1694
00:47:33,289 --> 00:47:35,000
REALLY SEXY CHECK MATE.

1695
00:47:35,019 --> 00:47:35,230
>> Narrator: THEY'RE YOUNG...

1696
00:47:35,250 --> 00:47:37,099
>> OH, NO!

1697
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,039
>> Narrator: AND LOUD.

1698
00:47:39,059 --> 00:47:41,039
THEY'RE NOT YOUR FATHER'S CHESS

1699
00:47:41,059 --> 00:47:42,190
PLAYERS, BUT THEY'VE MADE THE

1700
00:47:42,210 --> 00:47:45,179
GAME COOL WITH A NEW GENERATION.

1701
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,050
>> CHESS TODAY NOW HAS ONLINE

1702
00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:48,170
INFLUENCERS.

1703
00:47:48,190 --> 00:47:49,260
>> RIGHT.

1704
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,039
>> COULD YOU HAVE PREDICTED

1705
00:47:51,059 --> 00:47:52,059
THAT, I DON'T KNOW, TEN YEARS

1706
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:53,079
AGO?

1707
00:47:53,099 --> 00:47:53,289
FIVE YEARS AGO?

1708
00:47:54,010 --> 00:47:54,239
>> OH, SURE, I COULD HAVE

1709
00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:55,090
PREDICTED ALL OF IT.

1710
00:47:55,110 --> 00:47:56,289
[LAUGHS]

1711
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:57,210
IT JUST CAME OUR WAY ALL OF A

1712
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:59,039
SUDDEN.

1713
00:47:59,059 --> 00:48:01,090
YOU KNOW, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?

1714
00:48:01,110 --> 00:48:01,269
>> IT'S A MUCH STRONGER MOVE

1715
00:48:01,289 --> 00:48:02,179
THAN IT LOOKS.

1716
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:04,019
>> Narrator: BUT THE SPORT'S

1717
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:05,260
BIGGEST BOON WAS STILL TO COME,

1718
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,000
WHEN A TV SHOW BASED ON CHESS

1719
00:48:08,019 --> 00:48:09,099
BECAME THE RUNAWAY HIT OF THE

1720
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:10,199
YEAR.

1721
00:48:10,219 --> 00:48:12,039
>> AND THEN IT JUST EXPLODED.

1722
00:48:12,059 --> 00:48:14,190
♪ ♪

1723
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:15,260
>> Narrator: "THE QUEEN'S

1724
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,019
GAMBIT," NAMED FOR A POPULAR

1725
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:19,119
CHESS STRATEGY, WAS STREAMED IN

1726
00:48:19,139 --> 00:48:21,219
62 MILLION HOUSEHOLDS IN ITS

1727
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,230
FIRST MONTH OF RELEASE.

1728
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:25,090
>> Narrator: IT MARKED THE FIRST

1729
00:48:25,110 --> 00:48:26,250
TIME CHESS HAD INFILTRATED

1730
00:48:26,269 --> 00:48:28,239
AMERICAN POP CULTURE IN HALF A

1731
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:31,030
CENTURY.

1732
00:48:31,050 --> 00:48:33,070
SINCE 1972 WHEN AMERICAN

1733
00:48:33,090 --> 00:48:36,130
BOBBY FISCHER WON THE WORLD

1734
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:38,099
CHAMPIONSHIP AND BECAME A STAPLE

1735
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:39,239
OF MAGAZINE COVERS AND TALK

1736
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:40,170
SHOWS.

1737
00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:42,039
>> WOULD YOU WELCOME PLEASE,

1738
00:48:42,059 --> 00:48:42,239
BOBBY FISCHER.

1739
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:44,110
[APPLAUSE]

1740
00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:46,030
>> Soledad: SO YOU THINK THAT

1741
00:48:46,050 --> 00:48:48,099
2020 WAS THE BIGGEST YEAR FOR

1742
00:48:48,119 --> 00:48:50,070
CHESS IN 50 YEARS?

1743
00:48:50,090 --> 00:48:52,000
>> YEAH, IT WAS.

1744
00:48:52,019 --> 00:48:53,179
THROUGH THE COMBINED EFFECT OF

1745
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:55,000
COVID, EVERYBODY GOING ONLINE

1746
00:48:55,019 --> 00:48:56,190
AND "THE QUEEN'S GAMBIT."

1747
00:48:56,210 --> 00:48:57,239
THESE INCREDIBLE BOLTS FROM THE

1748
00:48:57,260 --> 00:48:58,190
BLUE CAME TOGETHER AT THE SAME

1749
00:48:58,210 --> 00:49:00,170
TIME.

1750
00:49:00,190 --> 00:49:02,090
>> Narrator: BUT FOR REX

1751
00:49:02,110 --> 00:49:04,199
SINQUEFIELD, CHESS'S "OVERNIGHT

1752
00:49:04,219 --> 00:49:06,039
SUCCESS" WAS ACTUALLY MORE THAN

1753
00:49:06,059 --> 00:49:09,179
A DECADE IN THE MAKING.

1754
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:23,019
WHEN WE FIRST MET HIM IN 2018,

1755
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:24,199
BACK WHEN CHESS WAS ANYTHING BUT

1756
00:49:24,219 --> 00:49:25,260
HIP, HE WAS IN THE MIDST OF A

1757
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,050
ONE-MAN MISSION TO CHANGE ALL

1758
00:49:27,070 --> 00:49:28,050
THAT, NO MATTER THE COST.

1759
00:49:28,070 --> 00:49:29,010
>> Soledad: HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE

1760
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:29,179
YOU SUNK INTO THIS PROJECT,

1761
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:30,059
WOULD YOU GUESS?

1762
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:30,260
>> SEVERAL MILLIONS.

1763
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:31,219
>> Soledad: SEVERAL MILLIONS.

1764
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,170
IS THAT TEN?

1765
00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:33,110
>> YOU'RE GETTING WARM.

1766
00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:34,039
[LAUGHS]

1767
00:49:34,059 --> 00:49:35,019
>> Soledad: 30?

1768
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:35,289
SHOULD WE JUST GO UP TO

1769
00:49:36,010 --> 00:49:36,130
$50 MILLION?

1770
00:49:36,150 --> 00:49:37,070
>> YEAH, THAT'S -- LET'S STOP

1771
00:49:37,090 --> 00:49:38,000
RIGHT ABOUT THERE.

1772
00:49:38,019 --> 00:49:38,280
>> Soledad: ARE YOU PASSIONATE?

1773
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:39,199
OR ARE YOU AN ADDICT?

1774
00:49:39,219 --> 00:49:40,119
>> I THINK BOTH.

1775
00:49:40,139 --> 00:49:41,159
>> Narrator: FUELED BY THAT

1776
00:49:41,179 --> 00:49:44,090
ADDICTION AND ALL THAT MONEY,

1777
00:49:44,110 --> 00:49:46,019
SINQUEFIELD HAD TURNED HIS

1778
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:48,070
HOMETOWN OF ST. LOUIS INTO THE

1779
00:49:48,090 --> 00:49:50,260
WORLD'S CAPITAL OF CHESS.

1780
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,159
>> YOU DIDN'T CASTLE CORRECTLY.

1781
00:49:52,179 --> 00:49:52,269
>> HE'LL LEARN.

1782
00:49:52,289 --> 00:49:54,030
HE'LL LEARN.

1783
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:56,019
>> Narrator: HE BUILT THE

1784
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:57,170
LARGEST CHESS CLUB IN THE WORLD,

1785
00:49:57,190 --> 00:50:00,019
SIX-THOUSAND SQUARE FEET IN ALL.

1786
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:01,269
HE ALSO BUILT THE CHESS HALL OF

1787
00:50:01,289 --> 00:50:03,179
FAME, AND TO FILL IT, PUT

1788
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,090
TOGETHER ONE OF THE LARGEST

1789
00:50:05,110 --> 00:50:07,110
PRIVATE COLLECTIONS OF CHESS

1790
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:08,230
MEMORABILIA ON EARTH.

1791
00:50:08,250 --> 00:50:10,039
>> THE QUEEN JUST PAWNED.

1792
00:50:10,059 --> 00:50:11,190
>> Narrator: THANKS TO REX,

1793
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:13,179
VISITORS TO ST. LOUIS COULD

1794
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:15,079
VISIT THE TALLEST FREESTANDING

1795
00:50:15,099 --> 00:50:17,159
STRUCTURE OF ITS KIND.

1796
00:50:17,179 --> 00:50:18,190
NO, NOT THAT ONE.

1797
00:50:18,210 --> 00:50:20,059
THIS ONE.

1798
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:21,079
THE LARGEST CHESS PIECE IN THE

1799
00:50:21,099 --> 00:50:23,150
WORLD.

1800
00:50:23,170 --> 00:50:24,110
>> PLEASE GO AHEAD AND START.

1801
00:50:24,130 --> 00:50:25,210
>> Narrator: THEY COULD ALSO

1802
00:50:25,230 --> 00:50:26,210
WATCH THE WORLD'S BEST CHESS

1803
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:27,250
PLAYERS GOING HEAD-TO-HEAD IN

1804
00:50:27,269 --> 00:50:29,190
PERSON.

1805
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:31,039
SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR,

1806
00:50:31,059 --> 00:50:33,150
SINQUEFIELD LURED THEM TO THE

1807
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:34,250
MIDDLE OF AMERICA BY STAGING

1808
00:50:34,269 --> 00:50:37,059
TOURNAMENTS WITH MASSIVE PURSES.

1809
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:38,019
>> THE TOP PLAYERS IN THE WORLD

1810
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:38,280
ARE ALWAYS HERE.

1811
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,079
YOU COULD THROW A ROCK AND HIT A

1812
00:50:40,099 --> 00:50:42,239
GRANDMASTER WHEREVER YOU TURN.

1813
00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:44,059
>> Soledad: SO 25 OR SO

1814
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:44,239
GRANDMASTERS JUST HERE IN ST.

1815
00:50:44,260 --> 00:50:45,190
LOUIS.

1816
00:50:45,210 --> 00:50:47,000
>> AND THAT'S INCREDIBLE.

1817
00:50:47,019 --> 00:50:48,269
YOU WOULDN'T EVEN FIND ONE

1818
00:50:48,289 --> 00:50:50,280
GRANDMASTER TEN YEARS AGO, AND

1819
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,010
NOW YOU FIND SO MANY THAT

1820
00:50:52,030 --> 00:50:52,159
REALIZE THAT THIS IS THE

1821
00:50:52,179 --> 00:50:53,289
PLACE TO BE.

1822
00:50:54,010 --> 00:50:54,210
>> Narrator: MAURICE ASHLEY WAS

1823
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:56,119
ONE OF THEM.

1824
00:50:56,139 --> 00:50:58,070
WE MET HIM IN 2018 AT

1825
00:50:58,090 --> 00:51:00,210
SINQUEFIELD'S ANNUAL BIG MONEY

1826
00:51:00,230 --> 00:51:01,139
CHESS TOURNAMENT CALLED WHAT

1827
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:02,190
ELSE?

1828
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:04,159
THE SINQUEFIELD CUP.

1829
00:51:04,179 --> 00:51:06,070
ASHLEY WAS THERE NOT AS A

1830
00:51:06,090 --> 00:51:08,030
COMPETITOR, BUT RATHER A

1831
00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:10,119
PLAY-BY-PLAY BROADCASTER.

1832
00:51:10,139 --> 00:51:12,190
>> THE MOVE KING TO H-8 CAN BE

1833
00:51:12,210 --> 00:51:13,190
MET WITH A MOVE LIKE BISHOP TO

1834
00:51:13,210 --> 00:51:14,119
G-5.

1835
00:51:14,139 --> 00:51:15,260
>> Narrator: HE WAS PART OF THE

1836
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,289
TELEVISION CREW HIRED BY

1837
00:51:18,010 --> 00:51:19,159
SINQUEFIELD, TO GIVE HIS

1838
00:51:19,179 --> 00:51:21,030
TOURNAMENTS NETWORK-QUALITY

1839
00:51:21,050 --> 00:51:23,280
BROADCASTS, NO EXPENSE SPARED.

1840
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,139
>> THE SINQUEFIELD CUP IS

1841
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:26,190
FINALLY UNDERWAY AS 10 OF THE

1842
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:36,119
BEST CHESS PLAYERS IN THE WORLD

1843
00:51:36,139 --> 00:51:37,070
RENEW THEIR RIVALRY IN ST.

1844
00:51:37,090 --> 00:51:37,269
LOUIS.

1845
00:51:37,289 --> 00:51:38,260
>> IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE WATCHING

1846
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,190
AN NBA BROADCAST.

1847
00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:40,150
>> AND THEN YOU GET INTO TIME

1848
00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:41,059
PRESSURE, THE GUY DEFENDS LIKE

1849
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:41,250
AN ANIMAL.

1850
00:51:41,269 --> 00:51:42,179
>> YOU HAVE A REAL BROADCAST

1851
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:43,099
WITH A REAL BROADCAST TEAM.

1852
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:44,039
>> Soledad: PRODUCTION TRAILER,

1853
00:51:44,059 --> 00:51:44,250
GRAPHICS...

1854
00:51:44,269 --> 00:51:46,010
>> YOU GOT PRODUCTION TRAILERS,

1855
00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:46,179
YOU GOT INSTANT REPLAY.

1856
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:47,039
YOU GOT INSTANT REPLAY FOR

1857
00:51:47,059 --> 00:51:47,239
CHESS.

1858
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:48,250
I MEAN, THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A

1859
00:51:48,269 --> 00:51:49,059
SECOND.

1860
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:49,250
>> SLAM DUNK, BABY!

1861
00:51:49,269 --> 00:51:50,130
>> OKAY.

1862
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:51,019
>> THAT'S WORD CLASS!

1863
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:51,219
>> OKAY.

1864
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,119
>> THAT'S A WORLD CHAMPION!

1865
00:51:52,139 --> 00:51:53,070
>> Narrator: WATCHING OVER IT

1866
00:51:53,090 --> 00:51:54,219
ALL WAS REX FROM A SATELLITE

1867
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,289
TRUCK BEHIND THE CLUB, WHERE

1868
00:51:57,010 --> 00:51:58,219
LIVE VIDEO OF THE TOURNAMENT WAS

1869
00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,219
BEING BEAMED ALL ACROSS THE

1870
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,059
WORLD.

1871
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:01,280
>> IT'S GOING TO OVER 200

1872
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,139
COUNTRIES.

1873
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:04,070
>> Soledad: AND YOU'LL HAVE

1874
00:52:04,090 --> 00:52:05,170
HOW MANY PEOPLE WATCHING WOULD

1875
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:06,230
YOU GUESS?

1876
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:07,130
>> HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS TO OVER

1877
00:52:07,150 --> 00:52:08,250
A MILLION.

1878
00:52:08,269 --> 00:52:10,199
>> Narrator: LOCALS HAD BEGUN

1879
00:52:10,219 --> 00:52:12,159
TUNING IN, TOO, WATCHING CHESS

1880
00:52:12,179 --> 00:52:14,019
INSTEAD OF OTHER SPORTS YOU MAY

1881
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:15,159
HAVE HEARD OF.

1882
00:52:15,179 --> 00:52:17,130
>> DURING THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL

1883
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:19,150
SEASON, WE WERE STARTING TO GET

1884
00:52:19,170 --> 00:52:21,179
TWEETS FROM PEOPLE AROUND THE

1885
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:23,070
CITY SAYING, "THE BARS IN ST.

1886
00:52:23,090 --> 00:52:24,230
LOUIS HAVE TURNED OFF THE

1887
00:52:24,250 --> 00:52:25,150
FOOTBALL GAMES AND TURNED ON THE

1888
00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:27,150
CHESS GAMES -- THAT'S A CITY OF

1889
00:52:27,170 --> 00:52:30,090
NERDS, LET'S FACE IT.

1890
00:52:30,110 --> 00:52:32,010
>> Narrator: BUT AS UNLIKELY AS

1891
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:33,210
WAS THE RISE OF CHESS HERE IN

1892
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:35,230
ST. LOUIS, SO TOO WAS THE STORY

1893
00:52:35,250 --> 00:52:38,289
OF THE MAN BEHIND IT.

1894
00:52:39,010 --> 00:52:40,019
SINQUEFIELD, YOU SEE, WASN'T

1895
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:41,250
BORN A KING.

1896
00:52:41,269 --> 00:52:43,280
HE GREW UP A FEW MILES FROM HERE

1897
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,000
AT ST. VINCENT'S HOME FOR BOYS,

1898
00:52:46,019 --> 00:52:48,159
AN ORPHANAGE, WHERE HE WAS LEFT

1899
00:52:48,179 --> 00:52:49,250
BY HIS MOTHER AT THE AGE OF

1900
00:52:49,269 --> 00:52:52,050
SEVEN.

1901
00:52:52,070 --> 00:52:53,139
>> Soledad: DID SHE SOB AS SHE

1902
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:53,269
SAID GOODBYE TO YOU?

1903
00:52:53,289 --> 00:52:55,139
>> NO, SHE DIDN'T.

1904
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:56,059
>> Soledad: DID YOU CRY AS YOU

1905
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:57,059
SAID GOODBYE TO YOUR MOM?

1906
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:58,019
>> I DON'T REMEMBER.

1907
00:52:58,039 --> 00:52:59,059
I MIGHT WELL HAVE TEARED UP.

1908
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:01,010
IT'S QUITE POSSIBLE.

1909
00:53:01,030 --> 00:53:02,280
BUT YOU JUST HAD TO SORT OF, YOU

1910
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,079
KNOW, TOUGH IT UP, YOU KNOW?

1911
00:53:05,099 --> 00:53:06,010
'CAUSE YOU WERE HERE FOR THE

1912
00:53:06,030 --> 00:53:07,139
DURATION, SO TO SPEAK.

1913
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:08,250
>> Narrator: AND TO MAKE MATTERS

1914
00:53:08,269 --> 00:53:10,070
WORSE, HE HAD BEEN BORN WITH A

1915
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:12,179
CLEFT LIP AND PALATE, WHICH

1916
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:14,000
REQUIRED MORE THAN A DOZEN

1917
00:53:14,019 --> 00:53:16,070
SURGERIES TO FIX.

1918
00:53:16,090 --> 00:53:18,230
>> Soledad: THAT SOUNDS LIKE A

1919
00:53:18,250 --> 00:53:19,289
TERRIBLE START TO A LIFE.

1920
00:53:20,010 --> 00:53:21,050
>> WELL, THERE ARE BETTER

1921
00:53:21,070 --> 00:53:22,010
STARTS, YOU KNOW.

1922
00:53:22,030 --> 00:53:22,260
I DIDN'T GET THAT PART RIGHT,

1923
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,280
YOU KNOW?

1924
00:53:24,010 --> 00:53:26,050
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

1925
00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:27,090
AND YOU COPE.

1926
00:53:27,110 --> 00:53:27,289
YOU DO WHAT YOU -- WHAT YOU HAVE

1927
00:53:28,010 --> 00:53:29,050
TO DO.

1928
00:53:29,070 --> 00:53:30,190
>> Narrator: HERE AT ST.

1929
00:53:30,210 --> 00:53:31,219
VINCENT'S, SINQUEFIELD WAS

1930
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,170
RAISED BY TOUGH GERMAN NUNS, WHO

1931
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:35,150
REQUIRED HIM TO SCRUB THE FLOORS

1932
00:53:35,170 --> 00:53:37,130
WITH STEEL WOOL.

1933
00:53:37,150 --> 00:53:40,170
BUT ON SPECIAL NIGHTS, HE'D GET

1934
00:53:40,190 --> 00:53:42,090
TO WATCH MOVIES, AND THAT'S WHEN

1935
00:53:42,110 --> 00:53:43,090
THE LONELY BOY FIRST FELL IN

1936
00:53:43,110 --> 00:53:45,090
LOVE.

1937
00:53:45,110 --> 00:53:46,219
>> I WOULD SEE CHESS IN THE

1938
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,210
MOVIES SOMETIMES, AND I WAS JUST

1939
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:51,219
FASCINATED BY THE IMAGERY OF IT.

1940
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,079
AND FROM, YOU KNOW, VERY YOUNG,

1941
00:53:53,099 --> 00:53:54,170
SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS OLD.

1942
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:55,099
AND I ALWAYS WANTED TO LEARN HOW

1943
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:57,019
TO PLAY IT.

1944
00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:58,280
BUT NOBODY KNEW HOW TO PLAY IT.

1945
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,179
>> Narrator: NOT FOR YEARS,

1946
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:02,010
UNTIL HE WAS FINALLY RELEASED

1947
00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:03,130
FROM THE ORPHANAGE AS A

1948
00:54:03,150 --> 00:54:04,260
TEENAGER, DID SINQUEFIELD

1949
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,289
FINALLY GET THE CHANCE TO

1950
00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:07,230
ACTUALLY PLAY CHESS FOR THE

1951
00:54:07,250 --> 00:54:16,090
FIRST TIME.

1952
00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:17,019
HE WAS HOOKED.

1953
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:17,260
>> THERE'S JUST SOMETHING

1954
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,219
AMAZINGLY BEAUTIFUL ABOUT IT.

1955
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,119
THE COMBINATIONS THAT YOU

1956
00:54:19,139 --> 00:54:20,050
PRODUCE, THE CHECKMATES.

1957
00:54:20,070 --> 00:54:21,050
THE WHOLE LOGIC OF EVERYTHING IS

1958
00:54:21,070 --> 00:54:21,219
SO COMPELLING, IT MAKES THE

1959
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,019
WHOLE THING VERY ADDICTIVE.

1960
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:24,150
>> Soledad: WHAT DID CHESS TEACH

1961
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:26,010
YOU ABOUT LIFE?

1962
00:54:26,030 --> 00:54:27,010
>> THAT I WAS VERY DETERMINED, I

1963
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:27,289
DIDN'T LIKE TO LOSE, AND I

1964
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:29,110
WORKED HARD TO WIN.

1965
00:54:29,130 --> 00:54:30,199
>> Narrator: SINQUEFIELD GREW UP

1966
00:54:30,219 --> 00:54:31,070
AND WENT INTO THE WORLD OF

1967
00:54:31,090 --> 00:54:36,030
FINANCE.

1968
00:54:36,050 --> 00:54:37,019
AND THERE, HE WON BIG TIME.

1969
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:38,159
IT WAS THE 1970S, AND MOST

1970
00:54:38,179 --> 00:54:40,190
INVESTORS BINGED AND PURGED,

1971
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:41,070
TRYING TO RIDE THE LATEST HOT

1972
00:54:41,090 --> 00:54:42,219
STOCK.

1973
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,250
BUT REX INVENTED A NEW FORM OF

1974
00:54:44,269 --> 00:54:47,219
INVESTING, BASED ON THE CALM,

1975
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,210
COLD-BLOODED LOGIC OF CHESS.

1976
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:53,130
THAT INVENTION, THE INDEX FUND

1977
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:56,030
IS NOW A STAPLE OF THE INDUSTRY.

1978
00:54:56,050 --> 00:54:58,050
AND SOON REX WAS MANAGING MORE

1979
00:54:58,070 --> 00:54:58,230
MONEY THAN HE KNEW WHAT TO DO

1980
00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:00,159
WITH.

1981
00:55:00,179 --> 00:55:02,159
>> $600 BILLION, BILLION WITH A

1982
00:55:02,179 --> 00:55:03,159
B.

1983
00:55:03,179 --> 00:55:04,159
>> Soledad: YOU SHOWED 'EM.

1984
00:55:04,179 --> 00:55:05,170
>> WE DID.

1985
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:07,070
IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE STORY.

1986
00:55:07,090 --> 00:55:08,250
>> Narrator: IN TIME,

1987
00:55:08,269 --> 00:55:10,130
SINQUEFIELD BECAME SO RICH THAT

1988
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:12,099
HE JUST RETIRED, "BORED" HE

1989
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:15,030
SAYS, OF MAKING MONEY.

1990
00:55:15,050 --> 00:55:18,019
SO, HE DECIDED TO START SPENDING

1991
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,059
IT INSTEAD TO PROMOTE THE GAME

1992
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:21,099
THAT HAD INSPIRED HIM TO SUCH

1993
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:23,090
GREAT HEIGHTS.

1994
00:55:23,110 --> 00:55:26,119
FOR YEARS, HE WAS MAKING STEADY

1995
00:55:26,139 --> 00:55:28,000
PROGRESS, BUILDING HIS CHESS

1996
00:55:28,019 --> 00:55:29,260
BEACH HEAD IN ST. LOUIS, WHILE

1997
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,139
PLOTTING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD.

1998
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:35,210
THEN, LAST MARCH, THE

1999
00:55:35,230 --> 00:55:36,190
UNTHINKABLE HAPPENED, WHEN THE

2000
00:55:36,210 --> 00:55:38,090
PANDEMIC STRUCK AND STOPPED HIM

2001
00:55:38,110 --> 00:55:40,059
IN HIS TRACKS.

2002
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:40,269
>> YOU'D HAVE SAID, "BOY, THIS

2003
00:55:40,289 --> 00:55:42,139
IS GONNA BE A DISASTER."

2004
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:43,170
AND IT LOOKED LIKE A DISASTER AT

2005
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:44,139
FIRST.

2006
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:45,130
WE HAD TO SHUT DOWN ALL THE BIG

2007
00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:47,030
TOURNAMENTS.

2008
00:55:47,050 --> 00:55:47,260
>> DAMN IT!

2009
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,130
>> VOYBOY IS THE WINNER!

2010
00:55:49,150 --> 00:55:50,159
>> Narrator: BUT INTO THE VOID

2011
00:55:50,179 --> 00:55:52,130
RUSHED SEVERAL CONVERGING FORCES

2012
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:55,079
THAT SINQUEFIELD NEVER FORESAW.

2013
00:55:55,099 --> 00:55:56,039
>> AND WE WIN ON TIME, BUT THE

2014
00:55:56,059 --> 00:55:56,269
POSITION.

2015
00:55:56,289 --> 00:55:58,059
>> Narrator: FIRST CAME THE BOOM

2016
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:00,010
IN ONLINE CHESS AND ONLINE CHESS

2017
00:56:00,030 --> 00:56:02,050
INFLUENCERS.

2018
00:56:02,070 --> 00:56:05,090
YOUNG, TECH-SAVVY PEOPLE

2019
00:56:05,110 --> 00:56:05,289
PEDDLING AN OLD GAME TO A NEW

2020
00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:07,030
AUDIENCE.

2021
00:56:07,050 --> 00:56:07,289
>> JUST AN ONLINE GAME AGAINST A

2022
00:56:08,010 --> 00:56:09,159
BLIND MAN!

2023
00:56:09,179 --> 00:56:11,110
>> Narrator: THEN CAME THE

2024
00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:12,119
BLOCKBUSTER HIT THAT CAPTIVATED

2025
00:56:12,139 --> 00:56:14,000
THE MASSES.

2026
00:56:14,019 --> 00:56:17,039
>> YOU KNOW, THEY TALK ABOUT A

2027
00:56:17,059 --> 00:56:17,199
SURGE UPON A SURGE, THAT'S

2028
00:56:17,219 --> 00:56:18,099
EXACTLY WHAT WE HAD.

2029
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:19,030
>> Narrator: "THE QUEEN'S

2030
00:56:19,050 --> 00:56:20,190
GAMBIT" PORTRAYED A SELF-TAUGHT

2031
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:22,139
AND EMOTIONALLY-TROUBLED

2032
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:24,280
AMERICAN CHESS PRODIGY, THE

2033
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,289
FICTIONAL BETH HARMON, WHO,

2034
00:56:27,010 --> 00:56:28,280
AGAINST ALL ODDS, CONQUERS THE

2035
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,079
CHESS WORLD BY DEFEATING THE

2036
00:56:30,099 --> 00:56:32,210
SOVIET CHAMPION.

2037
00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:34,059
TO MANY, THE STORY EVOKED THE

2038
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:37,070
TRIALS AND TRIUMPHS OF THE

2039
00:56:37,090 --> 00:56:38,150
LEGENDARY BOBBY FISCHER,

2040
00:56:38,170 --> 00:56:40,139
BUT THE HEROINE'S ORIGIN STORY

2041
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:45,110
MORE CLOSELY PARALLELS THAT OF

2042
00:56:45,130 --> 00:56:46,000
ANOTHER KING OF AMERICAN CHESS.

2043
00:56:46,019 --> 00:56:47,210
AFTER ALL, BETH HARMON FIRST

2044
00:56:47,230 --> 00:56:49,030
DISCOVERED CHESS IN AN

2045
00:56:49,050 --> 00:56:50,219
ORPHANAGE.

2046
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,190
>> WHAT'S THAT GAME CALLED?

2047
00:56:52,210 --> 00:56:53,110
>> Narrator: JUST LIKE REX

2048
00:56:53,130 --> 00:56:55,019
SINQUEFIELD.

2049
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:57,030
>> Soledad: DID YOU IDENTIFY

2050
00:56:57,050 --> 00:56:58,250
WITH THE ORPHAN STORYLINE?

2051
00:56:58,269 --> 00:57:00,039
>> I DID.

2052
00:57:00,059 --> 00:57:01,079
THEY CAPTURED THE EMOTIONS

2053
00:57:01,099 --> 00:57:02,179
PERFECTLY.

2054
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:04,070
I MEAN, IT WAS JUST INCREDIBLE.

2055
00:57:04,090 --> 00:57:05,070
IT WAS LIKE BEING THERE AGAIN.

2056
00:57:05,090 --> 00:57:06,280
THE EMOTIONS RETURNED.

2057
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,150
YOU'RE ALONE AND FORLORN.

2058
00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:09,250
IT ALL CAME RUSHING BACK --

2059
00:57:09,269 --> 00:57:12,159
VIVID IMAGES FOR ME OF 1952 IN

2060
00:57:12,179 --> 00:57:14,210
ST. VINCENT'S.

2061
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:16,079
>> Narrator: AND WHILE

2062
00:57:16,099 --> 00:57:17,230
SINQUEFIELD HIMSELF WAS

2063
00:57:17,250 --> 00:57:19,280
ENTHRALLED BY THE SHOW, HE WAS

2064
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,260
MOST GRATIFIED THAT ITS APPEAL

2065
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,030
EXTENDED FAR BEYOND CHESS FANS.

2066
00:57:24,050 --> 00:57:25,090
>> YOU HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT

2067
00:57:25,110 --> 00:57:27,139
IT FROM PEOPLE WHO DON'T PLAY

2068
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:28,099
CHESS, AND YOU HEAR IT IN

2069
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:28,269
CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU DON'T

2070
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INITIATE.

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00:57:30,059 --> 00:57:32,110
>> Soledad: HOW BIG OF A DEAL DO

2072
00:57:32,130 --> 00:57:33,059
YOU THINK "QUEEN'S GAMBIT" HAS

2073
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:35,010
BEEN FOR CHESS?

2074
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:35,159
>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN

2075
00:57:35,179 --> 00:57:36,130
OVERSTATE IT.

2076
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:37,059
IT'S INGRAINED IN THE POPULAR

2077
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CULTURE.

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>> Narrator: AND IF CHESS IS

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00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:42,030
HAVING ITS MOMENT, REX

2080
00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:44,059
SINQUEFIELD, EVER THE BUSINESS

2081
00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:45,099
GURU, IS NOT ONE TO MISS THE

2082
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,190
OPPORTUNITY.

2083
00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:49,099
HE RECENTLY BOUGHT UP ALL THE

2084
00:57:49,119 --> 00:57:51,289
PROPERTIES NEXT TO HIS CLUB,

2085
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:54,039
WITH PLANS TO EXPAND IT TO

2086
00:57:54,059 --> 00:57:56,130
THREE TIMES ITS CURRENT SIZE.

2087
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:57,230
>> Soledad: WHAT WILL YOU DO

2088
00:57:57,250 --> 00:57:59,199
WITH ALL THAT SPACE?

2089
00:57:59,219 --> 00:58:01,119
>> WELL, WE HAVE 6,000 FEET, BUT

2090
00:58:01,139 --> 00:58:02,199
WE'RE GONNA HAVE 20,000.

2091
00:58:02,219 --> 00:58:04,199
AND A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO BE

2092
00:58:04,219 --> 00:58:05,159
CLASSROOM SPACE, AND A LOT OF

2093
00:58:05,179 --> 00:58:06,030
IT'S GOING TO BE TOURNAMENT

2094
00:58:06,050 --> 00:58:07,019
SPACE.

2095
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:08,199
>> Soledad: DO YOU FEEL LIKE

2096
00:58:08,219 --> 00:58:09,269
CHESS FINALLY IS HITTING THE

2097
00:58:09,289 --> 00:58:10,150
POPULARITY THAT YOU'VE ALWAYS

2098
00:58:10,170 --> 00:58:11,230
WANTED?

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00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:13,039
>> I THINK IT IS, AND WE'RE

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00:58:13,059 --> 00:58:14,050
GONNA BE THE BENEFICIARIES OF

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00:58:14,070 --> 00:58:15,260
THAT.

2102
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,010
WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL BEYOND

2103
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:21,159
OUR WILDEST DREAMS.

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00:58:21,179 --> 00:58:22,170
>> Bryant: A COUPLE OF QUICK

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00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:24,000
NOTES: ALTHOUGH IT FITS THE

2106
00:58:24,019 --> 00:58:25,210
SCREEN QUITE NICELY, THE CHESS

2107
00:58:25,230 --> 00:58:26,139
BOOM HAS NOT BEEN LIMITED TO THE

2108
00:58:26,159 --> 00:58:28,110
VIRTUAL WORLD.

2109
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:29,250
SALES OF ACTUAL CHESS SETS WENT

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00:58:29,269 --> 00:58:31,099
THROUGH THE ROOF THIS PAST

2111
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:33,230
HOLIDAY SEASON.

2112
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:34,170
AS FOR THE FICTIONAL BETH HARMON

2113
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:36,150
OF "THE QUEEN'S GAMBIT," THERE'S

2114
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:38,050
NOW A BOT PROGRAMMED TO PLAY

2115
00:58:38,070 --> 00:58:39,230
JUST LIKE HER ON Chess.com,

2116
00:58:39,250 --> 00:58:41,099
WHERE FITTINGLY, WE'RE TOLD, SHE

2117
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:43,059
RARELY LOSES A GAME.

2118
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:43,260
AND THAT'S OUR SHOW FOR THIS

2119
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:47,059
EVENING.

2120
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:47,230
FOR ALL OF THE GOOD FOLKS AT

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00:58:47,250 --> 00:58:48,090
"REAL SPORTS," I'M BRYANT

2122
00:58:48,110 --> 00:58:48,159
GUMBEL.

2123
00:58:48,179 --> 00:58:49,000
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR

2124
00:58:49,019 --> 00:58:49,099
BEING WITH US.

2125
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:50,030
PLEASE STAY SAFE.

2126
00:58:50,050 --> 00:58:50,210
AND GOOD NIGHT.

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♪ ♪