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(ENGINE REVVING)

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(WOMAN VOCALIZING)

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(MEN SHOUTING)

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(HORN HONKING)

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(HONKING CONTINUES)

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-(HORNS HONKING)
-(PEOPLE CLAMORING)

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-(HORN HONKING)
-(WOMAN SHOUTING)

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(VOCALIZING CONTINUES)

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(MEN CHATTERING)

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(MEN SHOUTING)

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(MAN SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

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(MEN CONVERSING IN ARABIC)

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-Coffee?
-Yeah, thank you.

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How have you liked your stay?

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-What I've seen, I've liked.
-(SPEAKS ARABIC)

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Please to explain
why I should agree to interview

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with pro-Zionist American media?

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Because I think Hezbollah

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is trying to broaden
into a political party right now,

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so you care about
what you're thought of in America,

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and in America at this moment in time,
Hezbollah does not have a face.

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That's why.

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Perhaps you prove
journalism objectivity,

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and I see the questions first.

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Then I decide if I grant the interview.

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No, we don't do that.

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You've seen 60 Minutes
and Mike Wallace,

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so you know our reputation
for integrity and objectivity.

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You also know we are
the highest-rated, most-respected

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TV magazine news show in America.

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(MAN SINGING IN ARABIC ON RADIO)

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So, Mr. Wallace...
Should he get on a plane or not?

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Tell him I'll see him day after tomorrow.

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That's good. That works.

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I want to ask you something.
I know it sounds odd, but...

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Hello? Sheikh?

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-Norman?
-What? What?

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Take your blindfold off.

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Welcome to the world.

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(PHONE BEEPING)

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Fluctuating all over the place.

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Anywhere we shoot here, it's gonna be
portable gennies and we'll run cable.

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(LINE RINGING)

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-Hello?
-Mike, it's me. We're on.

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(PHONE BEEPS)

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(CHATTERING)

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(ELEVATOR BELL DINGS)

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(TV PLAYING CARTOONS)

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-Hi, honey.
-Hi, Daddy.

50
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What's new?

51
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Miss Loughrey gave me a star today.

52
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Yeah? What for?

53
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-For reading.
-That's great.

54
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A little early for cartoons, isn't it?

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Okay.

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(TV TURNS OFF)

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Deborah? Debbie?

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Oh, I didn't know you were home.
It's early, isn't it?

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(SIGHS)

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Gotta take Debbie to ballet.

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BARBARA: Mommy!

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(HYPERVENTILATING)

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Sweetheart, come on. Come on.

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She was playing
with my Pooh doll again.

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Slow down, slow down, slow down.
Breathe deep, breathe deep.

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-(HYPERVENTILATING)
-Slow down, honey. Slow down.

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Slow down.

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Here we go.

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-Deep breaths. Deep breaths.
-She was playing with the Pooh doll.

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Pooh's dusty, sweetheart.

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He's dusty
and you breathed him in, okay?

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So, what's happening to you...
Look at me.

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What's happening to you now
is cells called "mass cells"

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told your lungs,
"Don't breathe any more of that dust in."

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And the airways in your lungs
are like branches,

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and when the branches close up,
you get an asthmatic attack,

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and we give you medicine
and you get better. Uh-huh? Okay?

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Better already, aren't you?

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(EXHALES DEEPLY)

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Okay, baby?

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(DEBORAH LAUGHING)

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Can I go to dance tomorrow? I'm better.

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If you are, then I'll take Barbara
to soccer and take you to dance after.

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I can take her.

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Don't you have to be at the office?

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-Is there any more rice?
-Yes, it's on the stove.

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LIANE: Do you want more rice?
DEBORAH: Maybe later.

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LIANE: How about you?
BARBARA: I'll take some.

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Instant rice?

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BARBARA: Can I go over
to Jeanine's house?

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I'm sorry, darling.
Have you seen my coffee mug?

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Try the car.

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(SIGHS)

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What are those boxes?

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I'm going to the store.
You need anything?

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-What do you need at the store?
-Soy sauce.

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Right now?

98
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That's my stuff from the office.

99
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Why did you take your stuff
from the office?

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-I didn't want to leave it there.
-I don't understand.

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I got fired this morning.

102
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Where else am I gonna take it?

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Why?

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-Who said?
-Thomas Sandefur.

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What are we supposed to do?

106
00:11:51,961 --> 00:11:55,798
What about our medical coverage?
What about our health?

107
00:11:55,882 --> 00:12:00,135
What about our car payments?
The payments on this house?

108
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The severance agreement
includes cash payoffs over time

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and continuing medical coverage.

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-(GASPS)
-Sure you don't need anything?

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No, thank you.

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(ENGINE STARTS)

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Jeffrey?

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(MEN SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

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I am very pleased to receive you
as my guest, Mr. Wallace.

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Well, thank you for having us.

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Think I got a problem with the gennie.
I gotta go outside.

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Give me a hand with this, will you?

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Norman!

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(SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

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-He says, you must not sit so close.
-What?

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I can't conduct an interview
from back there.

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(TRANSLATING)

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(SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

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You must move back your chair.

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Well, you tell him that
when I conduct an interview,

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I sit anywhere I damn please.

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(TRANSLATING)

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(SPEAKING ARABIC)

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There is no interview.

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You!

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I'm talking to you!

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What the hell do you think I am,
a 78-year-old assassin?

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You think I'm gonna karate him to death
with this notepad?

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(SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

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-Are you interpreting what I'm saying?
-Yes.

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-We're there.
-Good.

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00:14:00,048 --> 00:14:02,090
Well, ask him ifArabic is
his second language.

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-Don't interpret that. Hold it.
-(SPEAKING IN ARABIC)

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00:14:04,802 --> 00:14:07,262
Hold it! Hold it! Slow! Slow!

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00:14:08,139 --> 00:14:10,265
Sheikh, do you mind?

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00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:14,645
If you would just turn your chair
a little bit to face Mr. Wallace.

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00:14:18,107 --> 00:14:19,233
-Is that okay?
-Okay.

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00:14:22,153 --> 00:14:25,197
Are you ready
or do you wanna keep fucking around

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00:14:25,281 --> 00:14:26,698
and warm up some more?

146
00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:29,701
-No, I've got my heart started.
-Okay.

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00:14:31,329 --> 00:14:33,163
All right, Todd.

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00:14:34,749 --> 00:14:37,626
Give me
the three-button on Mike, please.

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Good. Good.

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Okay, we are rolling.

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(CLEARS THROAT)

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00:14:48,221 --> 00:14:49,596
Okay, Mike.

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00:14:50,139 --> 00:14:53,058
Sheikh Fadlallah,
thank you so much for seeing us.

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00:14:53,142 --> 00:14:54,309
Are you a terrorist?

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00:14:55,937 --> 00:14:59,648
Mr. Wallace, I am a servant of God.

156
00:15:00,108 --> 00:15:02,568
A servant of God? Really?

157
00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:06,405
Americans believe that you,
as an Islamic fundamentalist,

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that you are a leader who contributed
to the bombing of the US Embassy.

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Everybody thinks
Canadian Mounties ride horses

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and rescue ladies from rapids.

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00:15:38,855 --> 00:15:42,190
Mike, they backed locals in Oka
in a fight with Mohawks

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over building a golf course
on their burial site,

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-they beat up protesters at Kanehsatake.
-(PHONE RINGING)

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00:15:49,824 --> 00:15:51,908
-Where'd you hear that?
-Hello.

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00:15:51,993 --> 00:15:55,829
Oh, someone took a poll?
"Are all things Canadian boring?"

166
00:15:55,913 --> 00:15:58,081
-It's Stuart. He's in Mexico City.
-Oh. Let me call you back.

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00:15:59,125 --> 00:16:00,751
Yeah, Stuart?

168
00:16:01,711 --> 00:16:02,753
-What New York bank?
-Hey, Dad.

169
00:16:04,672 --> 00:16:07,716
Will he go on camera
and talk about the Mexico City branch?

170
00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,843
-Hey, Jake.
-Whose money are they laundering?

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00:16:09,927 --> 00:16:13,555
-No classes this morning?
-I don't have to be there till 1 0:30.

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00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,682
-Hey, Mom. Hello.
-Hi, sweetheart.

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00:16:16,726 --> 00:16:18,226
(PHONE RINGING)

174
00:16:20,897 --> 00:16:23,357
-Hello? Yeah.
-Do independent sources corroborate?

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00:16:28,946 --> 00:16:30,822
-Dad, you got a box out here.
-Let me see this a second.

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00:16:30,907 --> 00:16:31,948
(CHUCKLES)

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00:16:32,033 --> 00:16:34,660
'Cause I gotta know
where you're going at all times.

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(DOOR CLOSES)

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SHARON: I can't.
I've gotta fly to Boston tomorrow.

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2:00 p.m. Great. Bye-bye

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"Ignition propensity."
You understand any of this?

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00:17:02,105 --> 00:17:03,563
No. (CHUCKLES)

183
00:17:05,441 --> 00:17:07,359
This looks like a table of temperatures.

184
00:17:07,860 --> 00:17:10,112
-Who's this from?
-It's anonymous.

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00:17:10,947 --> 00:17:13,115
References to "P.M."

186
00:17:13,783 --> 00:17:15,450
It's gotta be Phillip Morris, huh?

187
00:17:15,868 --> 00:17:18,370
Hmm. I have to take a shower.

188
00:17:23,626 --> 00:17:25,293
(PAGER BEEPING)

189
00:17:36,347 --> 00:17:37,764
(PHONE RINGING)

190
00:17:38,307 --> 00:17:39,307
Yeah?

191
00:17:39,684 --> 00:17:43,186
-Hi, this is Doug Oliver.
-Oh, hi, Doug. It's LoweII.

192
00:17:43,646 --> 00:17:45,105
I'm doing this story on fire safety,

193
00:17:45,189 --> 00:17:47,399
and people burning up
from falling asleep smoking.

194
00:17:47,483 --> 00:17:51,903
I receive a shitload of scientific papers
from inside Phillip Morris.

195
00:17:52,155 --> 00:17:54,406
Anonymous. You or anybody in FDA

196
00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:58,452
know someone who can translate
this stuff into English for me?

197
00:17:58,828 --> 00:17:59,911
Uh, yeah.

198
00:18:10,089 --> 00:18:11,381
(LINE RINGING)

199
00:18:11,466 --> 00:18:12,841
(PHONE RINGING)

200
00:18:16,512 --> 00:18:17,512
Hello?

201
00:18:19,015 --> 00:18:20,140
Mr. Wigand, please?

202
00:18:21,392 --> 00:18:23,685
Someone's calling for Daddy, Mom.

203
00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:29,608
Oh. Thank you, Bob.

204
00:18:29,692 --> 00:18:32,194
-Who's calling?
-My name is Lowell Bergman.

205
00:18:32,278 --> 00:18:36,740
-Did you say "Berman?"
-No, Bergman. B-E-R-G-M-A-N.

206
00:18:36,824 --> 00:18:39,117
-I'm a producer for 60 Minutes.
-60 Minutes?

207
00:18:39,202 --> 00:18:40,202
Yeah.

208
00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:43,705
-60 Minutes, the television show?
-Yes.

209
00:18:44,457 --> 00:18:45,707
He doesn't want to talk to you.

210
00:18:48,085 --> 00:18:49,252
How does he know
he doesn't want to talk to me?

211
00:18:49,337 --> 00:18:50,754
He doesn't know
what I'm calling him about.

212
00:18:51,672 --> 00:18:53,215
He doesn't care to know.

213
00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:56,176
(DIAL TONE)

214
00:19:06,646 --> 00:19:08,522
(DIALING NUMBERS)

215
00:19:11,317 --> 00:19:17,489
(PHONE RINGING)

216
00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:18,824
WIGAND ON MACHINE:
This is the Wigands'.

217
00:19:18,908 --> 00:19:22,410
lf you'd like to leave a message
orsend a fax, start now. (BEEPS)

218
00:19:22,495 --> 00:19:24,454
This is LoweII Bergman
with 60 Minutes,

219
00:19:24,539 --> 00:19:27,374
and I'm doing a story
on fire safety and cigarettes.

220
00:19:27,458 --> 00:19:30,669
l have scientific documents
from a tobacco company

221
00:19:30,753 --> 00:19:33,505
and I couId use your heIp
as a consultant

222
00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:35,423
expIaining these documents to me.

223
00:19:35,508 --> 00:19:41,680
Now, my number is
area code 510-555-0199.

224
00:19:41,764 --> 00:19:44,266
l'll be there at this number
in 10 minutes.

225
00:19:44,934 --> 00:19:46,268
(HANGS UP)

226
00:20:35,401 --> 00:20:37,319
(PHONE RINGS)

227
00:20:52,793 --> 00:20:54,044
(BEEPS)

228
00:21:14,857 --> 00:21:16,775
(PHONE RINGS)

229
00:21:34,126 --> 00:21:35,543
(BEEPS)

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00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:19,337
If you're curious to meet me,
I'm gonna be in the lobby

231
00:22:19,422 --> 00:22:23,133
of the Seelbach Hotel in Louisville

232
00:22:23,217 --> 00:22:26,678
reading The New York Times
tomorrow at 5:00.

233
00:22:26,846 --> 00:22:28,096
(HANGS UP)

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00:22:37,773 --> 00:22:55,123
(ELEVATOR BELL DINGS)

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00:23:45,299 --> 00:23:47,550
BERGMAN: Have you always
lived in Louisville?

236
00:23:48,677 --> 00:23:51,971
Mr. Bergman,
what did you want me to consult about?

237
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,057
(KNOCKING ON DOOR)

238
00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:55,934
Who's that?

239
00:23:57,561 --> 00:23:58,978
That's room service.

240
00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:01,815
They usually knock first.

241
00:24:03,859 --> 00:24:06,861
Come on in. Over here, please.

242
00:24:17,123 --> 00:24:18,331
Thank you.

243
00:24:18,999 --> 00:24:21,543
How do you like your coffee? Black?

244
00:24:21,627 --> 00:24:23,378
Black. Black.

245
00:24:24,964 --> 00:24:27,215
I really don't have that much time.

246
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:28,550
(CLEARS THROAT)

247
00:24:30,052 --> 00:24:32,637
Is there anything you want to know
about me, Mr. Wigand?

248
00:24:32,721 --> 00:24:34,848
Like what? Your sign?

249
00:24:38,227 --> 00:24:41,437
-I know what I have to know.
-Just so I know you know,

250
00:24:42,231 --> 00:24:45,942
when I talk to people in confidence,
it stays that way.

251
00:24:48,487 --> 00:24:52,323
How did a radical journalist from
Ramparts Magazine end up at CBS?

252
00:24:55,202 --> 00:24:59,706
I still do the tough stories.
60 Minutes reaches a lot of people.

253
00:25:03,335 --> 00:25:05,378
Let me see the documents.

254
00:25:32,865 --> 00:25:37,619
This is a fire-safety product study
for Phillip Morris.

255
00:25:39,121 --> 00:25:42,916
Burn rates, ignition propensity,
things of this nature.

256
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,002
I could very easily explain this
to you in layman's terms

257
00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:49,464
because it's from another company,
but that's as far as I go.

258
00:25:49,798 --> 00:25:51,591
As far as you go where?

259
00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:54,719
This issue is a drop in the bucket.

260
00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:56,804
I can talk to you about what's in here,
but I...

261
00:25:56,889 --> 00:25:58,473
I can't talk to you about anything else.

262
00:26:03,646 --> 00:26:06,856
I signed a confidentiality agreement.
I honor agreements.

263
00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:13,154
Doesn't CBS have confidentiality
agreements, Mr. Bergman?

264
00:26:13,781 --> 00:26:16,783
Between journalists and management,
yes, I believe they do.

265
00:26:17,493 --> 00:26:20,578
But I don't take that seriously.
Where do you work?

266
00:26:22,081 --> 00:26:23,831
-"Did work."
-Did work?

267
00:26:23,958 --> 00:26:26,376
How much would I get paid?

268
00:26:30,172 --> 00:26:33,758
That you have to discuss
with CBS Business Affairs.

269
00:26:33,842 --> 00:26:38,346
But for something like this, I would say
anywhere between $1 0, $1 2,000.

270
00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,477
Should I just take the documents now?

271
00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:47,188
If you want to do it.

272
00:26:55,030 --> 00:27:00,410
I worked as a head of Research and
Development for Brown & Williamson.

273
00:27:00,494 --> 00:27:02,036
Tobacco company.

274
00:27:06,375 --> 00:27:09,085
I was a corporate vice-president.

275
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:12,338
Mr. Bergman.

276
00:27:25,352 --> 00:27:26,644
(DOOR CLOSES)

277
00:27:40,701 --> 00:27:41,951
WALLACE ON TV: PresidentAssad
of Syria

278
00:27:42,036 --> 00:27:44,495
said that difficuIt obstacIes remain,

279
00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:46,247
but that his country, quote,

280
00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:49,667
"Iooks forward to a great Iong peace
with lsrael."

281
00:27:49,752 --> 00:27:52,462
-(STATIC)
-That's a Peabody, Mike.

282
00:27:52,546 --> 00:27:53,713
When you're dead and buried,

283
00:27:53,797 --> 00:27:55,840
Hezbollah is the one
we're gonna remember you for.

284
00:27:55,924 --> 00:27:57,967
(CHATTERING)

285
00:27:58,052 --> 00:28:00,219
-Are you eating with us?
-Yeah.

286
00:28:00,304 --> 00:28:02,722
Bring a tie
so they let us in the front door.

287
00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:03,890
(CHUCKLES)

288
00:28:04,141 --> 00:28:05,391
Come on.

289
00:28:13,484 --> 00:28:15,443
-Debbie!
-MAN: Hey, Lowell.

290
00:28:16,278 --> 00:28:18,988
Oh, Bill, Main Justice is investigating
a major New York bank

291
00:28:19,073 --> 00:28:21,199
laundering narco dollars
out of their Mexico City branch.

292
00:28:21,283 --> 00:28:22,283
You want it for the evening news?

293
00:28:22,493 --> 00:28:23,701
What about you?
You got a crew already?

294
00:28:23,786 --> 00:28:24,911
-I'm gonna do a follow-up.
-Okay.

295
00:28:24,995 --> 00:28:25,995
Catch you later.

296
00:28:32,336 --> 00:28:33,711
-Debbie.
-How are you?

297
00:28:33,962 --> 00:28:36,839
I want you to get Legal on
a corporate confidentiality agreement.

298
00:28:36,924 --> 00:28:37,965
Okay.

299
00:28:38,050 --> 00:28:42,345
Boundaries of their constraint,
Kentucky state law about...

300
00:28:42,846 --> 00:28:44,555
-I want you to drop everything.
-Okay.

301
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,932
I don't have any change.
You got some change?

302
00:28:46,016 --> 00:28:47,141
Here.

303
00:28:55,984 --> 00:28:57,360
Tony.

304
00:29:00,197 --> 00:29:01,739
(VACUUM WHIRRING)

305
00:29:06,495 --> 00:29:08,871
(WHIRRING CONTINUES)

306
00:29:13,335 --> 00:29:15,962
MAN: Mr. Wigand, you can go up now.

307
00:29:24,388 --> 00:29:26,514
(QUIET CHATTERING)

308
00:29:39,361 --> 00:29:44,115
Sorry. I'm accepting an award from
the Retinitis Pigmentosa Foundation.

309
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:47,034
It's gonna kill the rest of my day.

310
00:29:53,041 --> 00:29:57,170
So, have you had a chance to play golf?

311
00:29:57,254 --> 00:30:00,965
Jeff's a premier golfer.
What are you, a two handicap?

312
00:30:02,050 --> 00:30:03,050
Seven.

313
00:30:03,135 --> 00:30:07,138
And he gets out there
and he has five strokes on us.

314
00:30:07,222 --> 00:30:10,433
He has more concentration
than anybody I've ever met.

315
00:30:10,517 --> 00:30:13,853
It's spooky how he can concentrate.

316
00:30:16,815 --> 00:30:18,941
I'd rather play than talk about it.

317
00:30:20,694 --> 00:30:21,861
What did you want to see me about?

318
00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,239
I don't like being back here.

319
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:28,326
Jeffrey says exactly what's on his mind.

320
00:30:28,410 --> 00:30:31,162
Most people consider
what they're saying, social skills.

321
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:34,123
Jeffrey just charges right ahead.

322
00:30:35,751 --> 00:30:39,378
Now, I know you understood the nature
of the confidentiality portion

323
00:30:39,463 --> 00:30:42,423
of your severance agreement
with Brown & Williamson.

324
00:30:42,508 --> 00:30:45,259
-Chapter and verse.
-Yeah, I know you do.

325
00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:49,388
You know, I came up through sales.

326
00:30:49,473 --> 00:30:51,724
One of the reasons
I was a great salesman

327
00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:54,810
was I never made a promise
I couldn't keep.

328
00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:59,857
I knew that if I ever broke my promise,
I'd suffer the consequence.

329
00:31:00,734 --> 00:31:02,318
Is that a threat?

330
00:31:03,737 --> 00:31:07,031
We worked together for,
what was it, three years?

331
00:31:07,115 --> 00:31:10,535
The work we did here is confidential,
not for public scrutiny

332
00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:12,286
any more than are one's family matters.

333
00:31:12,955 --> 00:31:14,580
You're threatening my family now, too?

334
00:31:14,665 --> 00:31:15,790
(CHUCKLES)

335
00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:18,459
Now, don't be paranoid, Jeff.

336
00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:21,587
About the direction of research here,
we may have had our differences, but...

337
00:31:21,672 --> 00:31:23,673
Research.

338
00:31:23,757 --> 00:31:26,551
You declare as a badge of honor you
don't even know what makes water boil.

339
00:31:26,802 --> 00:31:29,303
Well, that's why we hire scientists.

340
00:31:29,388 --> 00:31:31,430
(SCOFFS) Okay.

341
00:31:32,808 --> 00:31:35,518
I don't believe that
you can maintain corporate integrity

342
00:31:35,602 --> 00:31:37,144
without confidentiality agreements.

343
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,398
I was paid well for my work,

344
00:31:40,482 --> 00:31:43,609
the health and welfare benefits
are good,

345
00:31:43,694 --> 00:31:45,778
the severance package is fair.

346
00:31:47,072 --> 00:31:50,491
I have no intention of violating
my confidentiality agreement

347
00:31:50,576 --> 00:31:53,619
and disclosing that
which I said I wouldn't.

348
00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:57,665
I appreciate all that, Jeff,

349
00:31:57,749 --> 00:32:03,254
but upon reflection, we've decided
to expand our zone of comfort with you.

350
00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:06,465
So we've drafted a supplement
to your agreement.

351
00:32:07,718 --> 00:32:13,222
It broadly defines and expands
in more detail what is confidential.

352
00:32:13,307 --> 00:32:14,932
Nobody will be able to say,

353
00:32:15,017 --> 00:32:19,353
"Well, hell's bells, Margaret,
I didn't know that was a secret."

354
00:32:20,689 --> 00:32:22,940
We're very serious
about protecting our interests.

355
00:32:23,358 --> 00:32:24,859
We'd like you to sign it.

356
00:32:27,487 --> 00:32:29,614
And if I don't?

357
00:32:29,698 --> 00:32:33,034
If we arrive at the conclusion
that you're acting in bad faith,

358
00:32:33,118 --> 00:32:37,079
we would terminate right now
payoffs under your severance package,

359
00:32:37,164 --> 00:32:38,539
you and your family's medical benefits

360
00:32:38,624 --> 00:32:42,293
and initiate litigation against you,
Mr. Wigand.

361
00:32:43,754 --> 00:32:46,339
-Dr. Wigand.
-Dr. Wigand.

362
00:32:47,883 --> 00:32:49,091
If you've examined the document,

363
00:32:49,176 --> 00:32:52,803
you'll see it's in your own best interest
and you'll sign it.

364
00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:03,814
What you're saying is it isn't enough
that you fired me for no good reason.

365
00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:06,025
Now you question my integrity?

366
00:33:06,777 --> 00:33:09,028
On top of the humiliation of being fired,

367
00:33:09,112 --> 00:33:13,115
you threaten me,
you threaten my family?

368
00:33:14,326 --> 00:33:17,328
It never crossed my mind
not to honor my agreement.

369
00:33:17,412 --> 00:33:22,333
I will tell you, Mr. Sandefur, and
Brown & Williamson, too... "Fuck me"?

370
00:33:22,417 --> 00:33:23,668
Well, fuck you!

371
00:33:33,512 --> 00:33:34,679
I'm not sure he got the message.

372
00:33:36,973 --> 00:33:38,557
Oh, I think he did.

373
00:33:40,769 --> 00:33:42,311
(HORN HONKING)

374
00:33:45,899 --> 00:33:47,692
(LINE RINGING)

375
00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:51,278
(CHUCKLES)

376
00:33:52,239 --> 00:33:53,698
-Yeah.
-You fucked me!

377
00:33:54,741 --> 00:33:55,866
Who's this?

378
00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:59,495
Protect your sources? You screwed me!
You sold me out!

379
00:34:01,415 --> 00:34:02,998
What are you talking about?
Where are you?

380
00:34:03,125 --> 00:34:04,458
Fuck you, too!

381
00:34:24,312 --> 00:34:25,646
(SIGHS)

382
00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:36,615
(BALL CLANGING)

383
00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:42,246
(BALL CLATTERING)

384
00:34:48,545 --> 00:34:49,754
(BALL CLANGING)

385
00:35:45,894 --> 00:35:47,436
(EXHALES DEEPLY)

386
00:36:21,054 --> 00:36:22,429
(HITS BALL)

387
00:36:25,767 --> 00:36:28,477
(VOCALIZING)

388
00:37:13,732 --> 00:37:15,232
(BREATHING DEEPLY)

389
00:37:16,026 --> 00:37:17,651
(ENGINE STARTS)

390
00:37:28,705 --> 00:37:30,497
Stay away from me.

391
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,501
You stay away from me!

392
00:37:43,345 --> 00:37:46,013
Jeffrey, you forgot the lunches!

393
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,396
-Mrs. Wigand?
-Jump in quick. Come on.

394
00:37:54,856 --> 00:37:58,108
How do you do? I'm Lowell Bergman.
We spoke on the phone.

395
00:38:01,071 --> 00:38:03,113
-Come here. I want to talk to you.
-Good. I want to talk to you.

396
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:05,532
This is my house.
In front of my wife, my kids...

397
00:38:05,617 --> 00:38:08,494
I did not burn you.
I did not give you up to anyone.

398
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:10,120
What business do we have?

399
00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:12,581
I'm here to straighten something out
with you.

400
00:38:12,666 --> 00:38:13,666
Right here, right now.

401
00:38:14,376 --> 00:38:15,376
You haven't mentioned my name?

402
00:38:15,460 --> 00:38:16,460
You haven't talked to anybody
about me?

403
00:38:16,544 --> 00:38:17,503
What am I gonna mention
your name for...

404
00:38:17,587 --> 00:38:18,587
Why are Brown & Williamson...

405
00:38:18,672 --> 00:38:19,880
How the hell do I know about
Brown & Williamson?

406
00:38:20,048 --> 00:38:23,092
It happened just after I talked to you!
I do not like coincidences!

407
00:38:23,176 --> 00:38:26,679
Well, I don't like paranoid accusations.
I'm a journalist.

408
00:38:26,763 --> 00:38:29,723
Think! Use your head!
How do I operate as a journalist?

409
00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:32,559
By screwing the people
who could provide me with information

410
00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:34,895
before they provided me with it?

411
00:38:36,189 --> 00:38:37,356
You came all the way down here
to tell me that?

412
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:38,440
No, I did not.

413
00:38:38,858 --> 00:38:41,735
Big Tobacco is a big story
and you got something important to say.

414
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:42,987
I can tell.

415
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:45,030
But yes, I did.

416
00:38:45,115 --> 00:38:49,702
I came all the way down here to tell you,
story, no story, fuck your story,

417
00:38:52,038 --> 00:38:53,706
I don't burn people.

418
00:39:02,173 --> 00:39:03,799
(ENGINE STARTS)

419
00:39:26,031 --> 00:39:28,615
Ride with me
while I take the girls to school.

420
00:39:56,936 --> 00:39:58,812
WIGAND: My little girl
has acute asthma.

421
00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:02,816
Deborah, my oldest daughter.

422
00:40:02,901 --> 00:40:06,904
And I'm unemployed, so
I have to protect my medical coverage.

423
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:09,740
So I left them a message this morning.

424
00:40:09,824 --> 00:40:12,367
Their expanded
confidentiality agreement...

425
00:40:14,579 --> 00:40:17,206
I will sign it.

426
00:40:17,290 --> 00:40:19,833
-They're afraid of you, aren't they?
-They should be.

427
00:40:26,508 --> 00:40:29,593
Talk to me outside the zone
of your agreement.

428
00:40:29,677 --> 00:40:30,719
Like what?

429
00:40:30,804 --> 00:40:33,680
Like, where'd you work
before Brown & Williamson?

430
00:40:34,349 --> 00:40:38,227
Johnson & Johnson,
Union Carbide in Japan...

431
00:40:38,311 --> 00:40:41,814
I was the general manager and director
of new products. I speak Japanese.

432
00:40:41,898 --> 00:40:46,110
I was a director
of corporate development at Pfizer.

433
00:40:46,194 --> 00:40:47,736
All health-related.

434
00:40:51,157 --> 00:40:53,242
What else outside the zone?

435
00:40:55,662 --> 00:40:58,247
I don't know. Do you think the Knicks
are gonna make it to the semifinals?

436
00:41:00,166 --> 00:41:01,917
(BARGE APPROACHING, DEPARTING)

437
00:41:11,553 --> 00:41:13,178
-Just give me an example.
-Okay.

438
00:41:13,263 --> 00:41:16,473
For example, James Burke.

439
00:41:16,558 --> 00:41:18,517
-CEO of Johnson & Johnson.
-Yeah.

440
00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:23,480
When he found out that some lunatic
had put poison in Tylenol bottles.

441
00:41:23,815 --> 00:41:25,315
He didn't argue with the FDA,

442
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,067
he didn't even wait for the FDA
to tell him,

443
00:41:27,152 --> 00:41:29,820
he just pulled Tylenol off
every shelf of every store

444
00:41:29,904 --> 00:41:32,197
right across America, instantly.

445
00:41:32,282 --> 00:41:33,323
(CHUCKLES)

446
00:41:33,408 --> 00:41:35,868
And then he developed a safety cap.

447
00:41:35,952 --> 00:41:40,581
Because as a CEO, sure, he's gotta be
a great businessman, right?

448
00:41:40,665 --> 00:41:43,000
But he's also a man of science.

449
00:41:43,084 --> 00:41:45,335
He's not gonna allow his company
to put on the shelf

450
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:48,422
a product that might hurt people.

451
00:41:48,506 --> 00:41:50,591
Not like the Seven Dwarfs.

452
00:41:50,967 --> 00:41:53,468
-Seven Dwarfs?
-Seven CEOs of Big Tobacco.

453
00:41:53,553 --> 00:41:55,512
They got in front of Congress that time.
It was on television...

454
00:41:55,597 --> 00:41:56,889
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

455
00:41:56,973 --> 00:41:59,016
Swore under oath that they know
nothing about addiction...

456
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:00,434
-It was on C-SPAN.
-Yeah.

457
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:05,647
Okay, so, here you are.
You go to work for tobacco.

458
00:42:05,732 --> 00:42:08,609
You come from corporate cultures
where research,

459
00:42:08,693 --> 00:42:11,236
really creative thinking,
these are core values.

460
00:42:11,321 --> 00:42:14,740
You go to tobacco.
Tobacco is a sales culture,

461
00:42:14,824 --> 00:42:17,910
market and sell enormous volume,
go to a lot of golf tournaments.

462
00:42:18,203 --> 00:42:20,329
The hell with everything else.
What are you doing?

463
00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:22,039
Why are you working for tobacco
in the first place?

464
00:42:22,123 --> 00:42:24,291
-I can't talk about it.
-(LAUGHS)

465
00:42:24,375 --> 00:42:25,876
The work I was supposed to do

466
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,795
might have had some positive effect,
I don't know.

467
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,714
Could have been beneficial.

468
00:42:30,798 --> 00:42:35,344
Mostly, I got paid a lot.
I took the money.

469
00:42:35,929 --> 00:42:37,221
My wife was happy,

470
00:42:37,305 --> 00:42:40,349
my kids had good medical,
good schools, got a great house.

471
00:42:41,059 --> 00:42:42,559
I mean,
what the hell is wrong with that?

472
00:42:42,936 --> 00:42:45,229
Nothing's wrong with that. That's it.
You're making money.

473
00:42:45,313 --> 00:42:47,981
You're providing for your family.
What could be wrong with that?

474
00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:54,404
I always thought of myself as a man
of science, that's what's wrong with it.

475
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:59,993
Then you're in a state of conflict, Jeff.

476
00:43:00,078 --> 00:43:02,746
Because, look, here's how it lays out.

477
00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:04,831
If you've got vital insider stuff,

478
00:43:04,916 --> 00:43:07,584
the American people, for their welfare,
really do need to know,

479
00:43:07,669 --> 00:43:11,296
and you feel impelled to disclose it
and violate your agreement in doing so,

480
00:43:11,381 --> 00:43:12,881
that's one thing.

481
00:43:12,966 --> 00:43:16,760
On the other hand,
if you want to honor this agreement,

482
00:43:16,844 --> 00:43:18,428
then that's simple.

483
00:43:18,513 --> 00:43:21,473
You do so.
You say nothing, you do nothing.

484
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,685
There's only one guy
who can figure that out for you,

485
00:43:24,769 --> 00:43:27,396
and that's you all by yourself.

486
00:43:33,695 --> 00:43:35,696
I gotta go pick up the girls.
They only had half a day.

487
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:37,614
(ENGINE STARTS)

488
00:43:55,383 --> 00:43:58,051
MAN: I've heard virtuaIIy aII the...
We touched on it.

489
00:43:58,136 --> 00:44:00,345
Yes or no, do you beIieve
nicotine is not addictive?

490
00:44:00,430 --> 00:44:03,223
MAN 2: Congressman,
cigarettes and nicotine

491
00:44:03,308 --> 00:44:06,977
cIearly do not meet
the classic definitions of addiction.

492
00:44:07,061 --> 00:44:08,353
There is no intoxication.

493
00:44:08,438 --> 00:44:09,730
CONGRESSMAN:
We'll take that as "no."

494
00:44:09,897 --> 00:44:11,982
-(CHUCKLING)
-Again, time is short.

495
00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:14,484
I think each of you beIieve
nicotine is not addictive

496
00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:16,945
and just wouId Iike to have this
for the record.

497
00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,782
l believe that nicotine is not addictive.

498
00:44:21,492 --> 00:44:23,160
I, too, beIieve that nicotine...

499
00:44:23,703 --> 00:44:25,162
He referred to this...

500
00:44:25,246 --> 00:44:27,331
-The Seven Dwarfs.
-What Seven Dwarfs?

501
00:44:27,415 --> 00:44:29,791
The seven CEO of Big Tobacco.
Referred to this,

502
00:44:29,876 --> 00:44:33,795
said they should be afraid of him.
I assume afraid of what he could reveal.

503
00:44:34,255 --> 00:44:35,630
Now you tell me.

504
00:44:35,715 --> 00:44:38,592
What does this guy have to say
that threatens these people?

505
00:44:39,427 --> 00:44:41,678
Well, it isn't cigarettes are bad for you.

506
00:44:41,763 --> 00:44:43,263
-Hardly new news.
-No shit.

507
00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:46,099
What's this?

508
00:44:46,184 --> 00:44:49,519
What that is
is tobacco's standard defense.

509
00:44:49,604 --> 00:44:51,396
It's the "we don't know" litany.

510
00:44:51,481 --> 00:44:55,525
"Addiction? We believe not. Disease?
We don't know.

511
00:44:55,610 --> 00:44:58,528
"We take a bunch of leaves,
we roll them together, you smoke 'em.

512
00:44:58,613 --> 00:45:00,739
"After that, you're on your own.
We don't know."

513
00:45:01,824 --> 00:45:03,909
So, that tells me nothing.

514
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,204
-Besides, you'll never get what he's got.
-Why not?

515
00:45:07,288 --> 00:45:09,456
Because of this guy's
confidentiality agreement,

516
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:11,625
he's never gonna be able to talk to you.

517
00:45:11,793 --> 00:45:14,544
That's not good enough.
This guy is the top scientist

518
00:45:14,629 --> 00:45:16,963
in the number-three tobacco company
in America.

519
00:45:17,048 --> 00:45:18,423
He's a corporate officer.

520
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,009
You never get whistle-blowers
from Fortune 500 companies.

521
00:45:21,177 --> 00:45:23,804
This guy is the ultimate insider.

522
00:45:23,888 --> 00:45:25,597
He's got something to say,
he wants to say it.

523
00:45:25,681 --> 00:45:27,808
-I want it on 60 Minutes.
-Doesn't matter what he wants.

524
00:45:27,892 --> 00:45:28,934
WALLACE: Am I missing
something here?

525
00:45:29,018 --> 00:45:30,060
What do you mean, Mike?

526
00:45:30,144 --> 00:45:32,729
He's got
a corporate secrecy agreement.

527
00:45:32,814 --> 00:45:34,815
Give me a break.

528
00:45:34,899 --> 00:45:38,568
This is a public health issue, like
an unsafe air frame on a passengerjet

529
00:45:38,653 --> 00:45:41,905
or some company dumping cyanide
into the East River.

530
00:45:41,989 --> 00:45:44,408
Issues like that.
He can talk, we can air it.

531
00:45:44,492 --> 00:45:47,828
They've got no right to hide behind
a corporate agreement. Pass the milk.

532
00:45:48,162 --> 00:45:50,580
They don't need the right.
They got the money.

533
00:45:50,665 --> 00:45:52,165
The unlimited checkbook.

534
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:56,086
That's how Big Tobacco wins
every time on everything.

535
00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:57,796
They spend you to death.

536
00:45:58,047 --> 00:46:01,425
$600 million a year in outside legal.

537
00:46:01,509 --> 00:46:05,429
Chadbourne & Parke,
Ken Starr's firm, Kirkland and Ellis.

538
00:46:05,847 --> 00:46:11,268
Listen, GM and Ford, they get nailed
after 1 1 or 1 2 pickups blow up, right?

539
00:46:11,352 --> 00:46:14,563
-These clowns have never ever...
-MAN: Not even once.

540
00:46:14,647 --> 00:46:17,399
Not even with hundreds of thousands
dying each year

541
00:46:17,483 --> 00:46:21,611
from an illness related to their product,
have ever lost a personal injury lawsuit.

542
00:46:22,071 --> 00:46:25,699
On this case, they'll issue gag orders,
sue for breach, anticipatory breach,

543
00:46:25,783 --> 00:46:30,036
enjoin him, you, us, his pet dog,
the dog's veterinarian,

544
00:46:30,329 --> 00:46:32,372
tie 'em up in litigation
for 1 0 or 1 5 years.

545
00:46:32,457 --> 00:46:35,041
I'm telling you,
they bat a thousand every time.

546
00:46:35,126 --> 00:46:37,335
He knows that.
That's why he's not gonna talk to you.

547
00:46:44,552 --> 00:46:48,054
Okay, let's look through
the looking glass the other way.

548
00:46:48,598 --> 00:46:49,848
What do you mean?

549
00:46:51,142 --> 00:46:53,226
We got a guy who wants to talk,
but he's constrained.

550
00:46:53,728 --> 00:46:57,230
-What if he were compelled to talk?
-Oh, torture. Great ratings.

551
00:46:57,315 --> 00:46:58,982
-(CHUCKLES)
-What do you mean, "compelled"?

552
00:46:59,066 --> 00:47:02,068
I mean
compelled by a Justice Department.

553
00:47:02,361 --> 00:47:04,446
State courts. Be a witness.

554
00:47:04,530 --> 00:47:07,741
That would cut through any
confidentiality agreement, wouldn't it?

555
00:47:07,909 --> 00:47:09,826
-What does that do?
-What do you mean, what does it do?

556
00:47:09,911 --> 00:47:13,079
What I mean is like, how does it cut
through the confidentiality agreement?

557
00:47:13,247 --> 00:47:16,708
Because he has to reveal it
in a court of law.

558
00:47:16,792 --> 00:47:19,336
It's on record. It's out.
It's no secret anymore.

559
00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:23,006
So how can they restrain his speech
or retaliate? It's out in the world.

560
00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:25,759
If you could engineer it into the court
record, you might have something.

561
00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:27,511
They would have a hell of a time

562
00:47:27,595 --> 00:47:28,845
trying to restrain his speech then,
wouldn't they?

563
00:47:28,930 --> 00:47:30,639
Yeah, but what venue?

564
00:47:30,723 --> 00:47:32,766
And where does he get...
Does he have killer attorneys?

565
00:47:33,935 --> 00:47:35,852
I don't think he's got any attorneys.

566
00:47:35,937 --> 00:47:39,481
He's gonna need attorneys who aren't
afraid of risking years of litigation

567
00:47:39,565 --> 00:47:43,527
and millions of dollars
of their own dough in legal costs.

568
00:47:44,362 --> 00:47:46,780
What do you say, Mike?
What do you think?

569
00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:51,201
Even if he gets the defense team,

570
00:47:55,915 --> 00:47:57,499
will he go for it?

571
00:48:04,674 --> 00:48:07,467
You're awfully overqualified,
Dr. Wigand.

572
00:48:09,845 --> 00:48:11,388
(CLEARS THROAT)

573
00:48:14,350 --> 00:48:16,810
I'm trying to start a new career.

574
00:48:18,813 --> 00:48:21,481
I believe I could be a good teacher.

575
00:48:25,736 --> 00:48:27,195
Let me give it some thought.

576
00:48:32,243 --> 00:48:34,327
And not a lot of companies
in the healthcare field

577
00:48:34,412 --> 00:48:36,955
hire ex-tobacco scientists.

578
00:49:10,740 --> 00:49:12,365
That's it.

579
00:49:21,292 --> 00:49:23,543
It's where our babies were born.

580
00:49:27,798 --> 00:49:30,759
Debbie took her first steps
right there on...

581
00:49:32,386 --> 00:49:33,970
In the grass.

582
00:49:37,391 --> 00:49:40,226
-I didn't plan on this.
-Hey, hey, hey.

583
00:49:41,062 --> 00:49:42,896
Come on. Come on.

584
00:49:47,234 --> 00:49:51,071
We can make this work for us, okay?

585
00:49:51,155 --> 00:49:53,198
It's just, it's not...

586
00:49:53,282 --> 00:49:56,326
It's a smaller scale.

587
00:49:56,410 --> 00:50:01,831
Simpler, easier, more time.

588
00:50:01,916 --> 00:50:06,711
More time together,
more time with the kids.

589
00:50:06,796 --> 00:50:09,631
More time for us, okay? It's just...

590
00:50:12,510 --> 00:50:16,346
Can you imagine me coming home
from some job

591
00:50:16,430 --> 00:50:19,057
feeling good at the end of the day?

592
00:50:21,185 --> 00:50:26,523
This is gonna be better.

593
00:50:33,656 --> 00:50:35,115
(SOFT MUSIC PLAYING ON RADIO)

594
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:36,658
(DISHES CLATTERING)

595
00:50:46,460 --> 00:50:49,254
MAN ON RADIO: Love yourhome
with beautifuI BroyhiII furniture.

596
00:50:49,380 --> 00:50:51,339
(INDISTINCT)

597
00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:53,508
You'II find incredibIe saIe prices

598
00:50:53,592 --> 00:50:55,719
throughout Smith's Broyhill
showcase gaIIery,

599
00:50:55,803 --> 00:50:59,055
with extra savings on every styIe
for every room in your home.

600
00:51:06,605 --> 00:51:10,442
If you've been putting off
decorating that speciaI room,

601
00:51:10,526 --> 00:51:14,487
now's the time to act during
the love-your-home sale at Smith's.

602
00:51:15,531 --> 00:51:17,741
-Back to...
-WOMAN ON RADIO: Welcome back.

603
00:51:33,299 --> 00:51:35,717
Hey, baby. What's wrong?

604
00:51:35,801 --> 00:51:37,927
Who's that outside, Daddy?

605
00:51:40,139 --> 00:51:41,806
Did you see somebody
or did you hear them?

606
00:51:41,891 --> 00:51:43,224
I heard him.

607
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:47,061
-Where?
-In the backyard.

608
00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:07,582
Sit at Daddy's desk, okay?
Why don't you sit up at the desk.

609
00:52:07,666 --> 00:52:08,958
All right? (CLEARS THROAT)

610
00:52:09,043 --> 00:52:12,045
Get out some paper,
and draw me a picture, okay?

611
00:52:18,385 --> 00:52:22,764
What are you gonna draw me, baby?
An animal? Something like that?

612
00:52:23,474 --> 00:52:26,059
You stay down here until
Daddy gets back, all right, Barbara?

613
00:52:26,143 --> 00:52:27,352
You stay down here.

614
00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:27,787
You almost got your damn head
blown off.

615
00:54:07,453 --> 00:54:09,078
Daddy!

616
00:54:10,581 --> 00:54:14,292
It was just a raccoon, baby. Nothin'.

617
00:54:14,376 --> 00:54:16,920
They're nocturnal.
You know what that means?

618
00:54:17,004 --> 00:54:19,464
That means that
they only come out at nighttime.

619
00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:29,265
(PHONE RINGING)

620
00:54:32,978 --> 00:54:36,189
-Yeah.
-Lowell. Jeffrey Wigand.

621
00:54:37,191 --> 00:54:39,442
ls it too late?

622
00:54:40,152 --> 00:54:42,028
No, no, it's okay. I...

623
00:54:42,363 --> 00:54:46,199
-How's the new pIace?
-The new place? New.

624
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:47,909
You okay?

625
00:54:48,535 --> 00:54:50,119
Sure.

626
00:54:50,204 --> 00:54:53,665
I was thinking
of caIIing you tomorrow anyway.

627
00:54:54,500 --> 00:54:57,085
How's your kids
handling the new house?

628
00:54:57,169 --> 00:54:58,169
Good.

629
00:54:58,671 --> 00:55:01,339
-You got kids?
-We have a coupIe.

630
00:55:01,757 --> 00:55:05,510
One's hers, one's mine.
Everybody uses a different name.

631
00:55:05,594 --> 00:55:07,303
Modern marriage.

632
00:55:08,514 --> 00:55:09,847
How's Liane?

633
00:55:12,059 --> 00:55:13,685
She's okay.

634
00:55:15,104 --> 00:55:16,771
Hold on a minute.

635
00:55:23,737 --> 00:55:27,824
Lowell, somebody may be following me.
I don't know.

636
00:55:28,158 --> 00:55:29,617
They came on the property.

637
00:55:29,702 --> 00:55:32,704
What do you mean, following you?
Did you call the police?

638
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,581
I don't wanna be paranoid. I mean...

639
00:55:36,083 --> 00:55:38,084
Maybe it's a game.
Some kind of mind game.

640
00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:39,419
What do you really think?

641
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:41,671
I don't know what the fuck I really think.

642
00:55:41,755 --> 00:55:45,174
Are they doing it?
Is some crank doing it?

643
00:55:45,259 --> 00:55:46,759
Are they doing it
to make me feel paranoid?

644
00:55:47,011 --> 00:55:49,637
Are they doing it for reaI and don't
give a shit what I think? I don't know.

645
00:55:49,972 --> 00:55:51,097
I don't fuckin' know.

646
00:55:51,223 --> 00:55:54,475
Jeffrey, describe for me in detail
what happened.

647
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:56,853
Well...

648
00:55:56,937 --> 00:56:00,481
No. Look, I mean, there was a footprint.
Forget it.

649
00:56:00,774 --> 00:56:04,110
It's probabIy not important at aII.
You know, I got a job now.

650
00:56:04,445 --> 00:56:07,572
I'm teaching high school.
Japanese and chemistry.

651
00:56:10,868 --> 00:56:13,077
So what were you calling about?

652
00:56:13,162 --> 00:56:14,454
You called me.

653
00:56:14,538 --> 00:56:16,247
No, you said
you were gonna call me tomorrow.

654
00:56:16,331 --> 00:56:18,750
-So, what about?
-Oh, yes, yes, yes. I did.

655
00:56:18,834 --> 00:56:20,501
I wanted to talk to you.
I wanted to hook up with you,

656
00:56:20,586 --> 00:56:23,713
taIk to you about
what we were taIking about in your car.

657
00:56:27,051 --> 00:56:28,134
Okay.

658
00:56:28,802 --> 00:56:31,888
It makes you feel good,
putting what you know to use?

659
00:56:34,475 --> 00:56:37,226
-How'd you know that, Lowell?
-It's obvious, isn't it?

660
00:56:40,689 --> 00:56:42,648
HeIIo? Are you there?

661
00:56:43,025 --> 00:56:44,567
Yeah.

662
00:56:45,652 --> 00:56:47,695
Look...

663
00:56:48,155 --> 00:56:51,282
Thanks for talking.
I'm sorry I woke you up. I didn't know...

664
00:56:51,992 --> 00:56:53,576
It's okay.

665
00:56:59,625 --> 00:57:01,292
(PHONE RINGING)

666
00:57:03,170 --> 00:57:04,587
Lowell.

667
00:57:04,671 --> 00:57:06,214
(STATIC ON PHONE LINE)

668
00:57:07,257 --> 00:57:08,341
Who is this?

669
00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:11,094
Do not call here! Do not...

670
00:57:11,178 --> 00:57:12,678
(DIAL TONE)

671
00:57:20,479 --> 00:57:22,355
(WIGAND SPEAKING JAPANESE)

672
00:57:24,691 --> 00:57:26,609
(WAITRESS SPEAKING JAPANESE)

673
00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:38,496
-What are you gonna get us?
-Tempura.

674
00:57:38,580 --> 00:57:40,164
(LAUGHING)

675
00:57:44,044 --> 00:57:46,337
The Internet said
you did graduate work at Wisconsin,

676
00:57:46,421 --> 00:57:50,383
then went to UC La Jolla
with Professor Herbert? Marcus...

677
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:52,135
-Marcuse.
-Yeah.

678
00:57:52,219 --> 00:57:54,679
He was my mentor.

679
00:57:54,763 --> 00:57:58,141
He had a major influence
on the New Left in the late '60s.

680
00:57:58,225 --> 00:58:00,935
-And on me, personally.
-Next to your father?

681
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,022
My father? What the hell's that
got to do with my father?

682
00:58:07,317 --> 00:58:09,485
I, uh... (CLEARS THROAT)

683
00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:13,406
Is that why you became a journalist?
Then you get to ask all the questions?

684
00:58:13,866 --> 00:58:15,324
You charge by the hour?

685
00:58:17,077 --> 00:58:19,662
My father was a (CLEARS THROAT)
mechanical engineer.

686
00:58:19,746 --> 00:58:22,039
Most ingenious man I ever knew.

687
00:58:22,124 --> 00:58:24,000
My father left us
when I was five-years-old.

688
00:58:24,084 --> 00:58:25,751
He was not the most ingenious man
I ever knew.

689
00:58:25,836 --> 00:58:27,879
Let's get back to Brown & Williamson.

690
00:58:28,922 --> 00:58:30,548
If you decide to go on 60 Minutes,

691
00:58:31,341 --> 00:58:33,801
I gotta know everything
about why you were fired.

692
00:58:34,511 --> 00:58:35,553
Why?

693
00:58:36,555 --> 00:58:38,347
They're gonna dig up stuff
from your past,

694
00:58:38,432 --> 00:58:40,725
they're gonna throw it at you.
I gotta know what they're gonna throw.

695
00:58:41,727 --> 00:58:43,227
You understand?

696
00:58:46,607 --> 00:58:48,608
I drink.

697
00:58:48,692 --> 00:58:50,693
Couple of occasions,
more than I should have.

698
00:58:50,777 --> 00:58:52,069
Mmm-hmm.

699
00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:58,075
I was cited for shoplifting once,
but it was a mistake.

700
00:59:01,205 --> 00:59:02,538
Pushed Liane one time.

701
00:59:02,623 --> 00:59:03,998
We were both stressed out
because of the pressure.

702
00:59:04,082 --> 00:59:06,584
She went to her mother's.
(CLEARS THROAT)

703
00:59:06,668 --> 00:59:09,378
I got fired

704
00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:12,465
because when I get angry,
I have difficulty censoring myself,

705
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:15,134
and I don't like to be pushed around.

706
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:18,429
I'm not pushing you around.
I'm asking you questions.

707
00:59:21,516 --> 00:59:24,560
I'm just a commodity to you, aren't I?

708
00:59:24,645 --> 00:59:26,062
I could be anything, right?

709
00:59:26,146 --> 00:59:27,897
Anything worth putting on
between commercials.

710
00:59:27,981 --> 00:59:29,982
To a network,
probably we're all commodities.

711
00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:32,318
To me, you're not a commodity.
What you are is important.

712
00:59:34,655 --> 00:59:37,823
You go public, and 30 million people
hear what you gotta say,

713
00:59:37,908 --> 00:59:41,494
nothing, I mean nothing,
will ever be the same again.

714
00:59:41,578 --> 00:59:42,662
You believe that?

715
00:59:42,746 --> 00:59:44,121
-No.
-You should.

716
00:59:44,915 --> 00:59:45,915
Because when you're done,

717
00:59:45,999 --> 00:59:49,710
the judgment is gonna go down in
the court of public opinion, my friend.

718
00:59:51,046 --> 00:59:52,964
And that's the power you have.

719
00:59:54,258 --> 00:59:57,510
-You believe that?
-I believe that? Yes, I believe that.

720
00:59:57,844 --> 00:59:59,762
You believe that because
you get information out to people,

721
00:59:59,846 --> 01:00:01,389
-something happens?
-Yes.

722
01:00:01,515 --> 01:00:03,641
Maybe that's just what you've been
telling yourself all these years

723
01:00:03,725 --> 01:00:05,142
to justify having a good job.

724
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,020
Having status.

725
01:00:08,647 --> 01:00:10,147
Maybe for the audience,
it's just voyeurism.

726
01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:11,357
Something to do on a Sunday night.

727
01:00:11,525 --> 01:00:13,651
Maybe it won't change a fuckin' thing,

728
01:00:13,735 --> 01:00:16,153
and people like myself and my family

729
01:00:16,238 --> 01:00:20,116
are left hung out to dry, used up,
broke, alone.

730
01:00:20,659 --> 01:00:23,286
Are you talking to me, or did somebody
else just walk in here? I never...

731
01:00:23,370 --> 01:00:25,162
(BOTH TALKING AT ONCE)

732
01:00:25,247 --> 01:00:29,208
Don't evade a choice you gotta make
by questioning my reputation

733
01:00:29,293 --> 01:00:31,544
or 60 Minutes
with this cheap skepticism.

734
01:00:31,628 --> 01:00:34,797
I have to put my family's welfare
on the line here, my friend.

735
01:00:34,881 --> 01:00:36,257
What are you putting up?
You're putting up words.

736
01:00:36,341 --> 01:00:37,341
"Words."

737
01:00:37,926 --> 01:00:40,636
While you've been dicking around some
fucking company golf tournaments,

738
01:00:40,721 --> 01:00:45,057
I've been out in the world givin' my word
and backing it up with action.

739
01:00:50,355 --> 01:00:53,024
Now, are you gonna go
and do this thing or not?

740
01:00:55,694 --> 01:00:57,987
I said I'd call the kids
before they went to bed.

741
01:00:59,072 --> 01:01:00,573
(SPEAKS JAPANESE)

742
01:01:11,626 --> 01:01:12,877
BERGMAN: Stringer was
supposed to be shooting

743
01:01:12,961 --> 01:01:14,795
B-roll on street cops in New Orleans.

744
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:16,130
What's with all the horses?

745
01:01:16,214 --> 01:01:18,174
MAN: Camera guy's got a thing
about mounted police.

746
01:01:18,550 --> 01:01:21,969
Don't any of these guys ride in cars?
Walk?

747
01:01:22,137 --> 01:01:24,096
-How long are these things?
-What was he saying?

748
01:01:24,181 --> 01:01:26,640
Hello. Yes, I'm trying to reach
Mr. Richard Scruggs.

749
01:01:27,851 --> 01:01:29,310
This is Richard Scruggs.

750
01:01:29,811 --> 01:01:31,354
Can you hold on a second, please?

751
01:01:31,438 --> 01:01:33,356
Lowell, got him on the phone.

752
01:01:37,319 --> 01:01:38,361
Hello, I'm Lowell Bergman.

753
01:01:38,653 --> 01:01:44,325
Hold on. Mobile Approach,
this is Leo-November-643. Over.

754
01:01:44,409 --> 01:01:46,118
(INDISTINCT CHATTER ON RADIO)

755
01:01:46,787 --> 01:01:51,207
Request a flight level of 220
on a heading of 284 degrees. Over.

756
01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:54,168
Mr. Bergman?

757
01:01:54,628 --> 01:01:56,962
Yes, I'm right here.
Could you call me back on a hard line?

758
01:01:57,297 --> 01:01:58,339
All right.

759
01:01:58,465 --> 01:02:02,385
Area code 21 2-555-01 99.

760
01:02:02,469 --> 01:02:03,636
I'll call you then.

761
01:02:10,018 --> 01:02:11,560
(BERGMAN MUTTERING)

762
01:02:11,978 --> 01:02:13,396
-What do we do with that?
-I don't know.

763
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,897
(PHONE RINGING)

764
01:02:15,232 --> 01:02:16,816
Richard Scruggs.

765
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:20,152
You filed a lawsuit against tobacco
on behalf of the State of Mississippi.

766
01:02:20,529 --> 01:02:22,405
-Did you not?
-That's right.

767
01:02:22,489 --> 01:02:23,739
I'm working with someone now

768
01:02:23,824 --> 01:02:27,034
who's the former head of research
at Brown & Williamson.

769
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:29,328
Former corporate officer there.

770
01:02:29,830 --> 01:02:31,664
What's your interest in this,
Mr. Bergman?

771
01:02:32,624 --> 01:02:34,375
Well, he may tape an interview with us,

772
01:02:34,459 --> 01:02:37,795
and we believe if his testimony
showed up in a court record first,

773
01:02:38,046 --> 01:02:39,797
it wouId free him up
from his confidentiaIity agreement

774
01:02:39,881 --> 01:02:41,715
and give him some protection.

775
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,718
It could work.
If it's public record, it's public record.

776
01:02:44,803 --> 01:02:47,096
Yeah, and
he's gonna need IegaI representation.

777
01:02:47,180 --> 01:02:48,889
(CHUCKLING) He sure as hell will.

778
01:02:50,016 --> 01:02:51,934
Has he decided to go public?

779
01:02:52,227 --> 01:02:55,521
Because Iet me teII ya,
we been doin' this for three years now,

780
01:02:55,605 --> 01:02:57,314
and we've worked
with a Iot of corporate cases

781
01:02:57,399 --> 01:02:58,399
invoIving whistIe-bIowers.

782
01:02:58,817 --> 01:03:02,069
So we know Big Tobacco will do
everything in their power to stop him.

783
01:03:02,737 --> 01:03:05,239
So is your man truly committed?

784
01:03:05,323 --> 01:03:08,451
Well, actually, no. He's on the fence.
That's the point.

785
01:03:11,288 --> 01:03:14,790
Well, we'd certainly be interested
in making his acquaintance.

786
01:03:14,875 --> 01:03:16,750
But without knowing
what he's gonna do...

787
01:03:17,586 --> 01:03:20,129
Would you want him to call you,
or you wanna call him?

788
01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:21,297
How do you wanna do it?

789
01:03:21,381 --> 01:03:23,632
lt would be better if he called us.

790
01:03:23,717 --> 01:03:25,676
-Yeah. Okay.
-AII right?

791
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,887
Okay, thank you. Shit.

792
01:03:32,476 --> 01:03:34,602
We need cops on the streets.
We don't need them on horses.

793
01:03:34,769 --> 01:03:36,520
-I don't know what he was thinking.
-For God's sake.

794
01:03:36,605 --> 01:03:38,397
-This guy got a horse fetish?
-All right, all right.

795
01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:40,816
Get me to New Orleans this afternoon.

796
01:03:41,818 --> 01:03:44,069
I'll shoot the fucking thing myself!

797
01:03:44,738 --> 01:03:46,655
-Have a good one.
-MAN: All right.

798
01:03:46,740 --> 01:03:49,074
(MAN CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY
ON RADIO)

799
01:04:08,136 --> 01:04:09,303
BARBARA: What are you cooking?

800
01:04:09,554 --> 01:04:12,890
-I'm cooking pasta primavera.
-Oh, I love that stuff.

801
01:04:12,974 --> 01:04:14,558
(BEEPING)

802
01:04:17,062 --> 01:04:19,438
I'm going to have to go downstairs.

803
01:04:21,316 --> 01:04:28,697
(BEEPING CONTINUES)

804
01:04:36,915 --> 01:04:38,832
(CLICKS MOUSE, BEEPING STOPS)

805
01:04:51,054 --> 01:04:52,346
Jeffrey!

806
01:05:14,828 --> 01:05:19,623
Jeffrey! Jeffrey!

807
01:05:48,903 --> 01:05:50,029
BERGMAN: What happened?

808
01:05:50,113 --> 01:05:52,448
Dispatcher received a call
of shots fired in the area.

809
01:05:52,532 --> 01:05:57,202
Uniforms arrived on the scene, found
this white male subject shot to death.

810
01:05:57,412 --> 01:05:59,121
Was it gang-related?

811
01:05:59,205 --> 01:06:02,499
There's no indication
as far as a tag or an advertisement.

812
01:06:02,584 --> 01:06:03,917
(PHONE RINGING)

813
01:06:05,629 --> 01:06:07,963
-(PHONE BEEPS)
-Yeah.

814
01:06:09,507 --> 01:06:12,217
They're terrorizing us. Death threats.
My family, my kids.

815
01:06:12,844 --> 01:06:14,011
What are you talking about?

816
01:06:14,095 --> 01:06:15,721
Someone put a bullet in my mailbox.

817
01:06:16,139 --> 01:06:19,892
-Jeff, call the FBI right away.
-They do this with impunity.

818
01:06:20,185 --> 01:06:21,185
Jeff...

819
01:06:21,269 --> 01:06:22,686
They get to go home at night.

820
01:06:22,771 --> 01:06:25,439
What does it cost these people
to do this to us? Nothing!

821
01:06:27,233 --> 01:06:29,902
My girls are crying. So fuck them.

822
01:06:30,070 --> 01:06:32,154
-I wanna tape. I'm done...
-I heard you.

823
01:06:32,238 --> 01:06:34,406
I gotta arrange for a legal defense first.

824
01:06:34,908 --> 01:06:38,035
I gotta get you to testify in court,
get it on pubIic record.

825
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:40,871
Then hold it off the air until you
got that, but I wanna go to New York,

826
01:06:40,955 --> 01:06:43,374
and I wanna go on the record right now.

827
01:06:44,584 --> 01:06:46,001
Good. But, Jeff...

828
01:06:46,252 --> 01:06:48,003
I'll call them, Lowell.

829
01:06:49,923 --> 01:06:51,131
(PHONE BEEPS)

830
01:06:53,385 --> 01:06:54,718
Did you handle the round, Mr. Wigand?

831
01:06:57,222 --> 01:06:58,472
Yes, I'm afraid I did.

832
01:06:59,265 --> 01:07:01,225
We won't be able to lift usable prints.

833
01:07:03,603 --> 01:07:04,853
Do you own a gun, Mr. Wigand?

834
01:07:07,273 --> 01:07:09,483
-A gun? Yes.
-What caliber is your gun?

835
01:07:11,778 --> 01:07:12,903
What caliber is my gun?

836
01:07:13,405 --> 01:07:15,864
Yes, sir. What caliber is your gun?

837
01:07:16,700 --> 01:07:18,951
What does that have to do
with the price of tea in China?

838
01:07:19,035 --> 01:07:20,494
(CRYING)

839
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:25,124
You think I put the bullet
in the mailbox myself?

840
01:07:26,167 --> 01:07:28,127
If we could take a look, Mr. Wigand.

841
01:07:41,891 --> 01:07:43,100
Why do you keep this gun?

842
01:07:43,184 --> 01:07:47,146
I don't think it's unconstitutional yet
to own a gun. I'm a target shooter.

843
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:50,607
That bullet was for a .38 caliber.
Do you own a .38?

844
01:07:50,692 --> 01:07:53,444
Yes, I do. A .38 Target Master
in my gun safe downstairs.

845
01:07:53,528 --> 01:07:57,114
A .45 Gold Cup, a .22 target pistol.
So what?

846
01:07:58,658 --> 01:08:01,493
Do you have a history
of emotional problems, Mr. Wigand?

847
01:08:01,870 --> 01:08:03,704
Yeah. Yes, I do.

848
01:08:03,788 --> 01:08:07,499
Yes, I get extremely emotional when
assholes put bullets in my mailbox.

849
01:08:08,042 --> 01:08:11,420
I didn't tell you that so
you could pick it up and take it away.

850
01:08:11,504 --> 01:08:12,671
Jeffrey!

851
01:08:12,964 --> 01:08:14,047
What's going on?

852
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:16,717
I told them you had
an e-mail death threat that told you

853
01:08:16,801 --> 01:08:18,302
if you didn't shut the "F" up,
they were gonna kill you.

854
01:08:18,386 --> 01:08:19,845
You can't take that.
It's personal property.

855
01:08:20,263 --> 01:08:23,390
My personal correspondence,
letters to my brother, my will.

856
01:08:23,475 --> 01:08:24,600
(ENGINE STARTING)

857
01:08:30,148 --> 01:08:31,565
(COUGHING)

858
01:08:36,196 --> 01:08:37,529
You all right?

859
01:08:42,535 --> 01:08:44,495
(DOG BARKING)

860
01:08:47,457 --> 01:08:49,792
That computer has every single...

861
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,711
AGENT: You all right, Mr. Wigand?

862
01:08:52,921 --> 01:08:55,547
We need to take a look
at your gun safe, Mr. Wigand.

863
01:09:12,941 --> 01:09:17,361
I'm telling you your agents
in that office are acting improperly.

864
01:09:17,445 --> 01:09:18,695
Now who are they trying to protect?

865
01:09:19,072 --> 01:09:20,656
Let me tell you something, Lowell.
Look, look.

866
01:09:20,740 --> 01:09:23,158
You're talking about two agents
in a regional office in Louisville.

867
01:09:23,243 --> 01:09:27,246
I got the goddamned Unabomber
threatening to blow up LAX.

868
01:09:27,622 --> 01:09:30,624
I gotta move 45 agents
from aII over the country into LA.

869
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,626
All right?
When I get a chance, I'll give it a look.

870
01:09:32,710 --> 01:09:35,671
You better take a good look
because I'm getting two things.

871
01:09:35,755 --> 01:09:38,048
Pissed off and curious!

872
01:09:38,132 --> 01:09:42,636
Any of these guys been offered jobs
in corporate security after they retire?

873
01:09:42,846 --> 01:09:46,306
Either one of those guys got
ex-agent pals already in those jobs?

874
01:09:46,391 --> 01:09:49,685
Like, for instance, their ex-supervisor
who's already at Brown & Williamson

875
01:09:49,769 --> 01:09:51,144
as we fuckin' speak!

876
01:09:51,688 --> 01:09:52,771
I'll give it a look.

877
01:09:52,981 --> 01:09:54,940
-You're getting my drift?
-I'II give it a Iook.

878
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:58,902
BERGMAN: So is everything okay?

879
01:10:00,989 --> 01:10:03,282
-How are the rooms? Comfortable?
-Yes, very.

880
01:10:04,242 --> 01:10:07,202
Do you know,
I enjoy your work so much.

881
01:10:07,287 --> 01:10:10,831
When you're talkin' to somebody,
I always feel like I'm right there.

882
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,958
(CHUCKLING) Thank you
for saying that.

883
01:10:13,835 --> 01:10:15,210
Do you think we could talk
about the taping?

884
01:10:15,837 --> 01:10:17,087
Tomorrow's taping?

885
01:10:17,171 --> 01:10:19,673
Just so we can get it
out of the way and order.

886
01:10:20,258 --> 01:10:23,552
Yeah, well, questions will go
towards what work you did there,

887
01:10:23,636 --> 01:10:26,138
-why you were fired and other...
-Taping?

888
01:10:31,102 --> 01:10:32,227
What are you taping?

889
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,147
I'm doin' an interview.

890
01:10:38,276 --> 01:10:39,902
An interview?

891
01:10:45,909 --> 01:10:50,162
Do you know what they will do to us?
I thought we...

892
01:10:54,542 --> 01:10:55,584
I'm sorry.

893
01:10:56,669 --> 01:10:58,629
Liane, this is a preliminary...

894
01:11:08,139 --> 01:11:10,015
You didn't tell her we were taping?

895
01:11:11,434 --> 01:11:13,268
What did she think she was
coming to New York for?

896
01:11:15,313 --> 01:11:18,690
Talk about it, think about it.
I had a plan to ease her into it,

897
01:11:18,775 --> 01:11:20,859
but I really don't know how to do that.

898
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:29,201
Oh, man.

899
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,666
Who are these people?

900
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,713
Ordinary people under
extraordinary pressure, Mike.

901
01:11:43,716 --> 01:11:46,385
What the hell you expect,
grace and consistency?

902
01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:13,745
(CREW CHATTERING)

903
01:12:15,164 --> 01:12:18,750
STAGE MANAGER:
Five, four, three, two...

904
01:12:20,294 --> 01:12:24,006
WALLACE: You heard Mr. Sandefur
say before Congress

905
01:12:24,090 --> 01:12:27,342
that he believed
nicotine was not addictive.

906
01:12:27,427 --> 01:12:30,387
I believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself

907
01:12:30,471 --> 01:12:32,389
because I watched those testimonies
very carefully.

908
01:12:32,473 --> 01:12:34,182
WALLACE: All of us did.

909
01:12:34,267 --> 01:12:36,685
I mean,
there was this whole line of people,

910
01:12:36,769 --> 01:12:39,229
whole line of CEOs up there,
all swearing.

911
01:12:39,313 --> 01:12:43,191
Part of the reason I'm here is that I felt

912
01:12:43,276 --> 01:12:45,861
that their representation
clearly misstated,

913
01:12:45,945 --> 01:12:47,904
at least within
Brown & Williamson's representation,

914
01:12:47,989 --> 01:12:52,284
clearly misstated what is
common language within the company.

915
01:12:52,368 --> 01:12:54,536
We are in
the nicotine delivery business.

916
01:12:55,288 --> 01:12:56,621
And that's what cigarettes are for.

917
01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:58,874
Delivery device for nicotine.

918
01:12:58,958 --> 01:13:01,209
A delivery device for nicotine.

919
01:13:01,294 --> 01:13:04,087
Put it in your mouth, light it up
and you're going to get your fix.

920
01:13:04,255 --> 01:13:05,380
You're gonna get your fix.

921
01:13:06,132 --> 01:13:09,092
You're saying that Brown & Williamson

922
01:13:09,177 --> 01:13:12,012
manipulates and adjusts
the nicotine fix

923
01:13:12,096 --> 01:13:16,892
not by artificially adding nicotine,
but by enhancing the effect of nicotine

924
01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:21,063
through the use of chemical elements
such as ammonia.

925
01:13:21,939 --> 01:13:23,940
The process is known
as impact boosting.

926
01:13:24,734 --> 01:13:28,779
While not spiking nicotine,
they clearly manipulate it.

927
01:13:29,989 --> 01:13:31,615
There is extensive use
of this technology,

928
01:13:31,699 --> 01:13:32,991
known as ammonia chemistry.

929
01:13:34,452 --> 01:13:38,163
It allows for the nicotine to be
more rapidly absorbed in the lung

930
01:13:38,247 --> 01:13:40,540
and therefore affect
the brain and central nervous system.

931
01:13:45,004 --> 01:13:46,588
The straw that broke
the camel's back for me

932
01:13:46,672 --> 01:13:48,548
and really put me in trouble
with Sandefur,

933
01:13:48,633 --> 01:13:51,551
was a compound called "coumarin."

934
01:13:51,636 --> 01:13:53,553
When I came on board at B&W,

935
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:58,266
they had tried to transition
from coumarin to a similar flavor

936
01:13:58,351 --> 01:14:00,310
that would give the same taste
and had been unsuccessful.

937
01:14:02,063 --> 01:14:03,897
I wanted it out immediately.

938
01:14:03,981 --> 01:14:08,527
I was told that it would affect sales,
so I should mind my own business.

939
01:14:09,862 --> 01:14:13,115
I constructed a memo to Mr. Sandefur
indicating I could not in conscience

940
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,700
continue with coumarin in a product
that we now knew,

941
01:14:15,785 --> 01:14:17,619
we had documentation,

942
01:14:17,703 --> 01:14:20,372
was similar to Coumadin,
a lung-specific carcinogen.

943
01:14:20,456 --> 01:14:22,374
And you sent the document
forward to Sandefur?

944
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:24,918
I sent the document forward
to Sandefur.

945
01:14:25,002 --> 01:14:27,379
I was told that we would continue
to work on a substitute.

946
01:14:28,214 --> 01:14:29,297
We weren't going to remove it

947
01:14:29,382 --> 01:14:32,467
as it would impact sales
and that that was his decision.

948
01:14:32,552 --> 01:14:37,139
In other words, you are charging
Sandefur and Brown & Williamson

949
01:14:37,223 --> 01:14:39,558
with ignoring
health considerations consciously?

950
01:14:42,061 --> 01:14:43,228
Most certainly.

951
01:14:43,312 --> 01:14:44,646
And on March 24,

952
01:14:44,730 --> 01:14:49,860
Thomas Sandefur, CEO
of Brown & Williamson, had you fired.

953
01:14:52,655 --> 01:14:54,573
And the reason he gave you?

954
01:14:56,617 --> 01:14:58,451
Poor communication skills.

955
01:15:01,038 --> 01:15:03,165
And you wish you hadn't come forward?

956
01:15:04,667 --> 01:15:06,751
You wish you hadn't blown the whistle?

957
01:15:08,796 --> 01:15:11,173
Yeah, there are times
I wish I hadn't done it.

958
01:15:13,092 --> 01:15:16,386
There are times I feel compelled to do it.

959
01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:22,767
If you'd asked me, would I do it again,
do I think it's worth it?

960
01:15:26,898 --> 01:15:28,481
Yeah, I think it's worth it.

961
01:15:48,502 --> 01:15:49,961
(CHATTERING)

962
01:16:00,014 --> 01:16:01,473
(CHATTERING SUBSIDES)

963
01:16:02,183 --> 01:16:04,768
-Hi.
-STUDENTS: Hi.

964
01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:07,812
My name is Jeff Wigand.

965
01:16:10,358 --> 01:16:14,694
You can call me "Mr. Wigand,"
you can call me "Dr. Wigand."

966
01:16:14,779 --> 01:16:18,281
I have a Ph.D.
in biochemistry and endocrinology.

967
01:16:18,366 --> 01:16:20,283
You can call me "Jeff."

968
01:16:22,912 --> 01:16:25,247
Anything else you want to call me,
you'll have to do so in private.

969
01:16:25,331 --> 01:16:26,581
(LAUGHTER)

970
01:16:26,666 --> 01:16:28,833
Um, okay.

971
01:16:29,585 --> 01:16:34,047
I find chemistry to be magical.
I find it an adventure.

972
01:16:34,131 --> 01:16:38,301
An exploration into the building blocks
of our physical universe.

973
01:16:38,386 --> 01:16:40,887
So how many of you
have taken chemistry before?

974
01:16:43,849 --> 01:16:46,810
Okay, I've never taught it before,
so we're gonna be fine.

975
01:16:46,894 --> 01:16:49,271
Our first experiment is gonna be

976
01:16:49,355 --> 01:16:51,690
measuring the molecular weight
of butane.

977
01:16:53,985 --> 01:16:56,611
He's on line three.

978
01:16:57,113 --> 01:16:58,780
(STUDENTS CHATTERING)

979
01:16:59,949 --> 01:17:04,286
-Hello?
-Mr. Scruggs? Jeff Wigand.

980
01:17:04,370 --> 01:17:05,829
Lowell Bergman said
I should give you a call.

981
01:17:06,664 --> 01:17:08,707
My co-counsel, Ron Motley and I,

982
01:17:08,791 --> 01:17:10,500
have filed a lawsuit
against the tobacco industry

983
01:17:10,584 --> 01:17:11,793
on behalf of the State of Mississippi

984
01:17:12,378 --> 01:17:14,796
to get the state reimbursed
Medicaid costs

985
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,007
for treatin' peopIe
with smoking-reIated iIIness.

986
01:17:18,551 --> 01:17:22,387
If you'd be interested in talkin' to us,
we'd certainly like to talk to you.

987
01:17:25,266 --> 01:17:26,599
When should we do this?

988
01:17:51,083 --> 01:17:52,792
Who the hell are you?
What are you doing in my house?

989
01:17:52,877 --> 01:17:55,420
-It's okay, Jeff. It's okay.
-Mr. Wigand, you need to speak to...

990
01:17:56,505 --> 01:17:58,882
You've got your own security now.

991
01:18:02,428 --> 01:18:04,846
You know, Lowell, I can't afford to.

992
01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:08,308
No, they're volunteered.
A friend owns a large security company.

993
01:18:09,602 --> 01:18:11,936
How're you doing, Mr. Wigand?
I'm John Telafarro.

994
01:18:12,021 --> 01:18:14,856
There'll be three of us on the detail.

995
01:18:14,940 --> 01:18:16,399
I'm going to the store.

996
01:18:16,484 --> 01:18:19,110
Please explain our new houseguests
to your children.

997
01:18:20,738 --> 01:18:24,115
-Mrs. Wigand's leaving the house.
-(DOOR OPENS, CLOSES)

998
01:18:28,287 --> 01:18:30,872
I called Richard Scruggs in Mississippi.

999
01:18:31,165 --> 01:18:32,457
I heard.

1000
01:18:33,501 --> 01:18:35,794
I'm gonna be a witness for them
in their litigation.

1001
01:18:35,878 --> 01:18:36,961
(BEEPING)

1002
01:18:37,380 --> 01:18:39,923
So I'm gonna fly to Pascagoula,
give a deposition.

1003
01:18:40,424 --> 01:18:42,384
I know. I'm gonna go there tonight.

1004
01:18:45,054 --> 01:18:46,513
WIGAND: You all right?

1005
01:18:46,597 --> 01:18:49,140
-Did you have a good day?
-Yes, I did. I had a great day.

1006
01:18:49,975 --> 01:18:52,394
-Coffee, Lowell?
-Yeah, all right.

1007
01:18:52,478 --> 01:18:54,771
Wanna play that game
we were playing before?

1008
01:18:54,855 --> 01:18:57,690
You know, I think you got it up to five.

1009
01:18:57,775 --> 01:18:59,984
I was ahead of you, and then you just...

1010
01:19:00,486 --> 01:19:01,903
(WATER RUNNING)

1011
01:19:21,841 --> 01:19:24,342
Please don't wash your hands
in the sink.

1012
01:19:24,885 --> 01:19:27,429
Where should I wash them?

1013
01:19:27,513 --> 01:19:29,597
Use the bathroom.

1014
01:19:29,682 --> 01:19:31,766
What's the difference?

1015
01:19:31,851 --> 01:19:33,810
That's for food.

1016
01:19:38,357 --> 01:19:39,774
(TURNS OFF WATER)

1017
01:19:47,366 --> 01:19:49,909
Leave it on. Just leave it on! Okay?

1018
01:20:47,927 --> 01:20:50,136
I don't think I can do this.

1019
01:20:56,268 --> 01:20:58,645
I want to stand by my husband.

1020
01:20:58,729 --> 01:21:01,064
I really do, Jeffrey, but...

1021
01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:05,276
I don't think I can do this anymore.

1022
01:21:08,531 --> 01:21:10,448
I am so sorry.

1023
01:21:30,010 --> 01:21:32,845
Can we talk about this when I get back?

1024
01:21:38,227 --> 01:21:40,144
Yes, Jeffrey.

1025
01:22:36,243 --> 01:22:38,202
-TELAFARRO: It's okay.
-(MAN CHATTERING ON PA)

1026
01:22:52,051 --> 01:22:53,718
Jeff!

1027
01:22:58,015 --> 01:22:59,932
You've been served.

1028
01:23:12,237 --> 01:23:14,947
Now, what this one is,
is a temporary restraining order,

1029
01:23:15,032 --> 01:23:18,159
a gag order,
issued by a Kentucky court.

1030
01:23:18,243 --> 01:23:20,828
Jeff Wigand, Michael Moore.

1031
01:23:21,246 --> 01:23:22,997
Good to meet you, Dr. Wigand.

1032
01:23:23,082 --> 01:23:24,916
Mike's our attorney general down here.

1033
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,460
I was just explaining to Jeff
they got a Kentucky court

1034
01:23:27,544 --> 01:23:30,046
to issue a gag order
to stop his deposition today.

1035
01:23:30,130 --> 01:23:32,090
-Right.
-Now,

1036
01:23:32,174 --> 01:23:34,842
they tried to get
the Mississippi court to honor it,

1037
01:23:34,927 --> 01:23:36,594
but the judge threw it out.

1038
01:23:36,679 --> 01:23:41,474
However, for you, there is a more
perilous effect of the gag order.

1039
01:23:42,518 --> 01:23:46,145
Dr. Wigand, you do understand
what can happen, don't you?

1040
01:23:48,607 --> 01:23:52,110
I'm not free to testify, here.

1041
01:23:52,903 --> 01:23:55,530
That's right.
If you violate the Kentucky order,

1042
01:23:55,614 --> 01:23:57,865
when you step foot back in Kentucky

1043
01:23:57,950 --> 01:24:00,993
they can find you in contempt
and they can incarcerate you.

1044
01:24:01,078 --> 01:24:02,995
And you ought to know that.

1045
01:24:06,625 --> 01:24:08,876
-Jail.
-Possibly, yes.

1046
01:24:08,961 --> 01:24:10,712
That is one
of the possible consequences

1047
01:24:10,796 --> 01:24:13,339
of your testifying here today.
That's right.

1048
01:24:19,221 --> 01:24:21,597
How does one go to jail?

1049
01:24:22,641 --> 01:24:24,517
What does my family do?

1050
01:24:26,395 --> 01:24:28,688
Go on welfare?

1051
01:24:28,772 --> 01:24:32,066
If my wife has to work,
who's gonna look after the kids?

1052
01:24:32,151 --> 01:24:34,819
Put food on the table?
I mean, my children need me.

1053
01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:36,904
If I'm not teaching, there's no medical.

1054
01:24:36,989 --> 01:24:41,033
No medical, even on co-pay,
that's like, tuition...

1055
01:24:41,118 --> 01:24:43,828
Dr. Wigand, listen.

1056
01:24:43,912 --> 01:24:46,330
You may not be able to do this thing.

1057
01:24:46,415 --> 01:24:49,208
As I understand from Dick,
you're our key witness,

1058
01:24:49,835 --> 01:24:52,462
and I hope you don't withdraw.

1059
01:24:53,255 --> 01:24:55,757
I guess we'd all understand if you did.

1060
01:24:56,425 --> 01:24:58,676
Guys, I gotta go.
I'm gonna be late for court.

1061
01:24:58,761 --> 01:25:02,138
I'll see y'all later.
Dr. Wigand, good luck.

1062
01:25:06,894 --> 01:25:09,520
(DOOR SLIDES OPEN, CLOSES)

1063
01:25:11,899 --> 01:25:14,734
I know what you're facing, Jeff.

1064
01:25:14,818 --> 01:25:16,778
And I think I know how you're feeling.

1065
01:25:18,363 --> 01:25:21,866
In the Navy, I flew A-6's off carriers.

1066
01:25:22,701 --> 01:25:26,204
In combat, events have
a duration of seconds.

1067
01:25:26,455 --> 01:25:28,623
Sometimes minutes.

1068
01:25:28,707 --> 01:25:31,667
But what you're going through
goes on day in, day out,

1069
01:25:31,752 --> 01:25:33,878
whether you're ready for it or not.

1070
01:25:33,962 --> 01:25:35,755
Week in, week out.

1071
01:25:35,839 --> 01:25:38,633
Month after month after month.

1072
01:25:38,717 --> 01:25:42,178
Whether you're up
or whether you're down.

1073
01:25:42,262 --> 01:25:45,306
You're assaulted psychologically.

1074
01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:47,809
You're assaulted financially,

1075
01:25:47,893 --> 01:25:51,229
which is its own special kind of violence
because it's directed at your kids.

1076
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,649
What school can you afford?

1077
01:25:54,733 --> 01:25:57,443
How will that affect their lives?

1078
01:25:57,528 --> 01:26:01,405
You're asking yourself,
"Will that limit what they may become?"

1079
01:26:02,741 --> 01:26:05,326
You feel your whole family's future
is compromised,

1080
01:26:05,410 --> 01:26:07,995
held hostage.

1081
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,206
I do know how it is.

1082
01:26:25,347 --> 01:26:26,806
You attract a crowd.

1083
01:26:26,890 --> 01:26:28,808
Yeah. Great.

1084
01:26:30,602 --> 01:26:33,646
I heard about the Kentucky gag order.

1085
01:26:37,484 --> 01:26:39,944
I don't know what to do.

1086
01:27:19,234 --> 01:27:20,985
(REPORTERS CHATTERING)

1087
01:27:25,282 --> 01:27:26,991
(REPORTERS
SHOUTING QUESTIONS)

1088
01:27:35,792 --> 01:27:39,337
(CROWD CHATTERING, LAUGHING)

1089
01:27:42,215 --> 01:27:44,342
Hold on a second.

1090
01:27:45,677 --> 01:27:49,722
Would you please ask Mr. Motley if he
expects his witness to appear or not?

1091
01:27:54,186 --> 01:27:56,479
(MAN CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY
ON POLICE RADIO)

1092
01:28:17,250 --> 01:28:20,169
I can't seem to find
the criteria to decide.

1093
01:28:22,381 --> 01:28:25,549
It's too big a decision to make
without being resolved in my own mind.

1094
01:28:27,970 --> 01:28:30,012
Maybe things have changed.

1095
01:28:52,077 --> 01:28:54,036
A lot's changed.

1096
01:28:59,418 --> 01:29:01,419
You mean since this morning?

1097
01:29:03,714 --> 01:29:06,924
No, I mean since whenever.

1098
01:29:13,140 --> 01:29:14,682
Fuck it.

1099
01:29:15,976 --> 01:29:17,768
Let's go to court.

1100
01:29:18,603 --> 01:29:20,479
SCRUGGS: Dr. Wigand
would like to leave now.

1101
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:23,107
-(OFFICERS CHATTERING)
-(ENGINES STARTING)

1102
01:30:59,788 --> 01:31:01,705
(NO AUDIO)

1103
01:31:11,091 --> 01:31:12,633
(REPORTERS
SHOUTING QUESTIONS)

1104
01:31:28,275 --> 01:31:29,817
(ALL CHATTERING)

1105
01:31:34,281 --> 01:31:36,240
(CHATTERING SUBSIDES)

1106
01:31:45,208 --> 01:31:47,668
Okay, Jeff. I'm gonna sit you down
at that table over there.

1107
01:31:47,752 --> 01:31:49,003
I want to start as fast as possible.

1108
01:31:49,087 --> 01:31:51,630
I don't want to give them a chance
to get another restraining order. Okay?

1109
01:31:52,340 --> 01:31:54,258
-Let's go.
-Good luck, Doc.

1110
01:32:02,684 --> 01:32:05,686
Please stand. Raise your right hand.

1111
01:32:05,770 --> 01:32:07,730
Do you swear to tell the truth,
the whole truth

1112
01:32:07,814 --> 01:32:09,899
and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?

1113
01:32:09,983 --> 01:32:12,526
WIGAND: I do.
STENOGRAPHER: You may be seated.

1114
01:32:13,820 --> 01:32:16,238
You understand, Dr. Wigand,
you are under oath?

1115
01:32:16,323 --> 01:32:20,409
This is a sworn deposition.
There's no judge. It's not a trial.

1116
01:32:20,493 --> 01:32:23,662
Will you state your name for the record?

1117
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:27,124
Jeffrey S. Wigand.
R-E-Y. W-I-G-A-N-D.

1118
01:32:30,754 --> 01:32:33,172
Got any idea what's going on in there?

1119
01:32:33,548 --> 01:32:35,466
No, I don't have a clue.

1120
01:32:37,469 --> 01:32:39,887
-That is correct.
-In other words, it acts as a drug...

1121
01:32:39,971 --> 01:32:42,306
-Object to the form of the question.
-It acts as a drug...

1122
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:44,266
-Object to the form...
-It acts as a drug...

1123
01:32:44,351 --> 01:32:46,560
-Object!
-Is there an echo in here?

1124
01:32:46,645 --> 01:32:48,479
Your objection's been recorded.

1125
01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:51,732
She typed it into her little machine
over there. It's on the record.

1126
01:32:52,108 --> 01:32:56,070
So now I'll proceed
with my deposition of my witness.

1127
01:32:58,073 --> 01:33:00,115
-Does it act as a drug?
-Dr. Wigand!

1128
01:33:01,409 --> 01:33:03,953
I am instructing you

1129
01:33:04,454 --> 01:33:06,247
not to answer that question.

1130
01:33:06,331 --> 01:33:10,251
In accordance to the terms of
the contractual obligations

1131
01:33:10,335 --> 01:33:12,753
undertaken by you

1132
01:33:12,837 --> 01:33:15,798
not to disclose any information

1133
01:33:15,882 --> 01:33:19,593
about your work at the Brown
& Williamson Tobacco Company,

1134
01:33:19,844 --> 01:33:22,972
and in accordance
with the force and effect

1135
01:33:23,056 --> 01:33:27,434
of the temporary restraining order
that has been entered against you

1136
01:33:27,519 --> 01:33:29,937
by the court in the State of Kentucky.

1137
01:33:31,398 --> 01:33:33,399
That means you don't talk.

1138
01:33:34,734 --> 01:33:36,151
Mr. Motley, we have rights here.

1139
01:33:36,236 --> 01:33:37,820
Oh, you've got rights.

1140
01:33:39,239 --> 01:33:42,283
And lefts. Ups and downs and middles.

1141
01:33:42,367 --> 01:33:47,079
So what? You don't get to instruct
anything around here!

1142
01:33:47,455 --> 01:33:51,750
This is not North Carolina,
not South Carolina, nor Kentucky.

1143
01:33:52,502 --> 01:33:55,129
This is the sovereign State
of Mississippi's proceeding.

1144
01:33:55,213 --> 01:33:56,714
Wipe that smirk off your face!

1145
01:33:57,882 --> 01:34:01,927
Dr. Wigand's deposition
will be part of this record!

1146
01:34:02,012 --> 01:34:03,804
And I'm gonna take
my witness' testimony

1147
01:34:03,888 --> 01:34:06,056
whether the hell you like it or not!

1148
01:34:20,322 --> 01:34:22,114
Answer the question, Doctor.

1149
01:34:22,198 --> 01:34:26,035
Yes. It produces
a physiological response,

1150
01:34:26,119 --> 01:34:27,828
which meets the definition of a drug.

1151
01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:32,750
Nicotine is associated with impact,
satisfaction.

1152
01:34:33,251 --> 01:34:38,130
It has a pharmacological effect that
crosses the blood-brain barrier intact.

1153
01:34:40,759 --> 01:34:43,635
MOTLEY: Thank you, Doctor.
Thank you.

1154
01:34:45,388 --> 01:34:48,766
(WOMAN VOCALIZING)

1155
01:35:27,639 --> 01:35:29,890
One of the reasons I'm here is that I felt

1156
01:35:29,974 --> 01:35:33,060
that their representation clearly...

1157
01:35:35,563 --> 01:35:39,650
Run that Sandefur piece
on "nicotine's not addictive."

1158
01:35:39,734 --> 01:35:43,570
Run that on camera, then cut right to
Wigand with "I believe they perjured..."

1159
01:35:43,655 --> 01:35:46,532
Then go wide to the CEOs
all taking the oath.

1160
01:35:46,616 --> 01:35:48,575
Then back on Jeff

1161
01:35:48,660 --> 01:35:51,495
and play the pause after
the word "felt" on the B-side.

1162
01:35:52,330 --> 01:35:55,457
Hell of a show, Mike.
Explosive material.

1163
01:35:57,585 --> 01:36:00,337
-It went great in Mississippi, Mike.
-Good.

1164
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,549
I heard Wigand's deposition got sealed.

1165
01:36:03,633 --> 01:36:06,969
They argued that he was going to reveal
the secret formula of Kools to the world.

1166
01:36:07,095 --> 01:36:08,637
(LAUGHING)

1167
01:36:09,514 --> 01:36:11,932
BERGMAN: Sealed doesn't
hurt Scruggs' litigation,

1168
01:36:12,016 --> 01:36:13,934
and since we're the only ones
with the story,

1169
01:36:14,018 --> 01:36:15,644
I believe we're sitting on an exclusive.

1170
01:36:15,728 --> 01:36:16,812
I like that.

1171
01:36:16,896 --> 01:36:18,272
HEWITT: Corporate has
some questions.

1172
01:36:18,356 --> 01:36:20,732
We've got a meeting at Black Rock
first thing in the morning.

1173
01:36:20,817 --> 01:36:24,695
-When's the air date?
-Lowell, Sharon's on line three.

1174
01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:27,531
-Tell her I'll call her back in 1 0.
-EDITOR: Here we go.

1175
01:36:28,908 --> 01:36:31,326
WALLACE ON TV: That they had long
known that the nicotine in tobacco

1176
01:36:31,411 --> 01:36:35,789
is an addictive drug despite
their pubIic statements to the contrary.

1177
01:36:35,874 --> 01:36:39,626
Like the testimony before Congress
of Dr. Wigand's former boss,

1178
01:36:39,711 --> 01:36:43,672
Brown & Williamson's chief
executive officer, Thomas Sandefur.

1179
01:36:43,756 --> 01:36:46,425
l believe that nicotine is not addictive.

1180
01:36:46,509 --> 01:36:48,886
l believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself

1181
01:36:48,970 --> 01:36:50,971
because l watched those testimonies
very carefuIIy.

1182
01:36:51,055 --> 01:36:54,975
WALLACE: AII of us did. I mean,
there was this whoIe Iine of peopIe,

1183
01:36:55,059 --> 01:36:57,352
whole line of CEOs up there,
aII swearing.

1184
01:36:57,437 --> 01:37:00,147
WIGAND: Part of the reason I'm here
is that l felt

1185
01:37:01,274 --> 01:37:03,775
that their representation
cIearly misstated

1186
01:37:03,860 --> 01:37:05,944
what is common Ianguage
within the company.

1187
01:37:06,029 --> 01:37:08,280
We are in
the nicotine deIivery business.

1188
01:37:08,990 --> 01:37:10,699
There is extensive use
of this technoIogy,

1189
01:37:10,783 --> 01:37:11,992
known as ammonia chemistry.

1190
01:37:12,076 --> 01:37:15,996
lt allows for the nicotine to be
more rapidIy absorbed in the Iung

1191
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,540
and therefore affect
the brain and centraI nervous system.

1192
01:37:18,625 --> 01:37:20,292
WALLACE: That's what
cigarettes are for.

1193
01:37:20,376 --> 01:37:21,543
DeIivery device for nicotine.

1194
01:37:21,628 --> 01:37:23,378
WALLACE: A delivery device
for nicotine.

1195
01:37:23,463 --> 01:37:26,632
Put it in your mouth, Iight it up
and you're going to get your fix.

1196
01:37:26,716 --> 01:37:28,175
You're gonna get your fix.

1197
01:37:29,594 --> 01:37:32,346
(WOMAN VOCALIZING)

1198
01:39:07,525 --> 01:39:10,277
(DOG BARKING)

1199
01:40:33,194 --> 01:40:36,154
-Shall I send for coffee? Sorry I'm late.
-WALLACE: No, we're fine.

1200
01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:37,948
-Are you sure?
-BERGMAN: Yeah.

1201
01:40:39,283 --> 01:40:41,535
All right. I thought we'd get together

1202
01:40:41,619 --> 01:40:43,537
because there's a legal concept

1203
01:40:43,621 --> 01:40:46,081
that has been getting
some new attention recently.

1204
01:40:46,165 --> 01:40:48,458
Tortious interference.

1205
01:40:48,543 --> 01:40:52,337
If two people have an agreement,
like a confidentiality agreement,

1206
01:40:52,422 --> 01:40:56,883
and one of them breaks it because they
are induced to do so by a third party,

1207
01:40:56,968 --> 01:41:00,220
the third party can be sued
for damages for interfering.

1208
01:41:00,304 --> 01:41:02,180
Hence, tortious interference.

1209
01:41:02,265 --> 01:41:05,016
"Interfering"? That's what we do.

1210
01:41:05,435 --> 01:41:08,061
I think what we're trying to tell you
is that it happens all the time.

1211
01:41:08,146 --> 01:41:12,149
This is a news organization. People are
always telling us things they shouldn't.

1212
01:41:12,567 --> 01:41:15,360
We have to verify if it's true
and in the public interest.

1213
01:41:15,445 --> 01:41:16,737
And if it is, we air it.

1214
01:41:16,821 --> 01:41:18,113
And after we corroborate it.

1215
01:41:18,197 --> 01:41:21,116
That's why we've never lost a lawsuit
and run a classy show.

1216
01:41:21,200 --> 01:41:22,242
Anything else?

1217
01:41:22,326 --> 01:41:25,996
And 60 Minutes' verification
is exact and precise.

1218
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:30,000
And I don't think it would hurt
to make sure you're right on this one.

1219
01:41:30,084 --> 01:41:34,045
Why? You think we have liability?

1220
01:41:34,130 --> 01:41:36,047
What's the CBS News position, Eric?

1221
01:41:36,132 --> 01:41:38,300
There's a possibility. It's rather remote.

1222
01:41:38,593 --> 01:41:41,428
But one we have to check on, Mike.

1223
01:41:41,512 --> 01:41:44,014
I've retained outside counsel
to do exactly that

1224
01:41:44,098 --> 01:41:48,769
on a segment, I might add,
that's already rife with problems.

1225
01:41:48,853 --> 01:41:50,604
What does that mean? "Rife with..."

1226
01:41:50,688 --> 01:41:53,940
I'm told unusual promises
were made to Wigand.

1227
01:41:54,150 --> 01:41:56,610
No, only that we would hold his story
until it was safe for him.

1228
01:41:56,694 --> 01:41:59,780
And I'm told there are questions
as to our star witness' veracity.

1229
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:03,241
His "veracity" was good enough
for the State of Mississippi.

1230
01:42:03,451 --> 01:42:05,702
Our standards have to be
higher than anyone else's,

1231
01:42:05,787 --> 01:42:08,789
because we are the standard
for everybody else.

1232
01:42:09,582 --> 01:42:13,418
Well, as a "standard," I'll hang with
"is this guy telling the truth?"

1233
01:42:14,504 --> 01:42:18,465
Well, with tortious interference,
I'm afraid, the greater the truth,

1234
01:42:18,549 --> 01:42:20,091
the greater the damage.

1235
01:42:22,178 --> 01:42:23,428
Come again?

1236
01:42:23,513 --> 01:42:27,224
They own the information
he's disclosing.

1237
01:42:27,517 --> 01:42:31,061
The truer it is,
the greater the damage to them.

1238
01:42:31,646 --> 01:42:33,814
If he lied,
he didn't disclose their information,

1239
01:42:33,898 --> 01:42:35,398
and the damages are smaller.

1240
01:42:40,446 --> 01:42:44,407
-Is this Alice in Wonderland?
-You said, "on this one."

1241
01:42:45,201 --> 01:42:47,118
What about this one?

1242
01:42:47,370 --> 01:42:50,831
If this holds up,
and it very well may not, Mike.

1243
01:42:50,915 --> 01:42:54,459
But if it did and we aired this segment,

1244
01:42:54,544 --> 01:42:58,505
and CBS was sued
by Brown & Williamson,

1245
01:42:58,589 --> 01:43:00,757
I think we could be at grave risk.

1246
01:43:00,842 --> 01:43:04,719
-How grave?
-Well, at the end of the day,

1247
01:43:04,804 --> 01:43:07,305
because of your segment,

1248
01:43:07,390 --> 01:43:09,808
the Brown & Williamson
Tobacco Company

1249
01:43:09,892 --> 01:43:11,935
could own CBS.

1250
01:43:13,771 --> 01:43:15,480
(BEEPING)

1251
01:43:15,940 --> 01:43:19,651
Oh. You know, I am sorry,
but I'm due upstairs.

1252
01:43:20,820 --> 01:43:23,780
Is CBS Corporate telling CBS News,

1253
01:43:24,073 --> 01:43:26,533
"Do not go to air with this story"?

1254
01:43:27,451 --> 01:43:30,245
You're getting ahead of yourself.
We're all in this together.

1255
01:43:30,329 --> 01:43:33,415
We're all CBS. We'll find out soon.

1256
01:43:33,499 --> 01:43:35,458
Thank you, gentlemen.

1257
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:44,509
"Tortious interference."

1258
01:43:44,594 --> 01:43:47,554
That sounds like a disease
caught by a radio.

1259
01:43:47,638 --> 01:43:49,389
-HEWITT: Lunch?
-Sure.

1260
01:43:50,766 --> 01:43:52,642
Don't worry.
We call the shots around here.

1261
01:44:00,651 --> 01:44:02,569
(DIALING PHONE)

1262
01:44:06,073 --> 01:44:07,949
(RINGING)

1263
01:44:08,034 --> 01:44:09,993
-Hello?
-Debbie, it's me.

1264
01:44:10,077 --> 01:44:11,578
I want you to check some filings,

1265
01:44:11,662 --> 01:44:14,164
and give me John Wilson's number
at Bear Stearns.

1266
01:44:22,173 --> 01:44:24,633
-BERGMAN: What now?
-Kluster's coming over.

1267
01:44:32,475 --> 01:44:34,434
KLUSTER: Hello, Lowell, Mike.

1268
01:44:34,602 --> 01:44:36,686
-(DOOR CLOSES)
-Don.

1269
01:44:37,146 --> 01:44:41,191
There has been so much
soul searching about this Wigand.

1270
01:44:41,275 --> 01:44:44,277
I've decided we should cut
an alternate version of the show

1271
01:44:44,362 --> 01:44:45,612
without his interview.

1272
01:44:45,696 --> 01:44:50,116
So what happened to Ms. Caperelli's
checking with outside counsel first?

1273
01:44:50,201 --> 01:44:52,035
-All that crap?
-That's happening.

1274
01:44:52,119 --> 01:44:53,912
Hopefully, we won't have to
use the alternate,

1275
01:44:53,996 --> 01:44:55,455
but we should have it in the can.

1276
01:44:55,539 --> 01:44:56,748
I'm not touching my film.

1277
01:44:56,874 --> 01:44:58,208
-I'm afraid you are.
-No, I'm not.

1278
01:44:58,292 --> 01:45:01,044
We're doing this with
or without you, Lowell.

1279
01:45:01,712 --> 01:45:05,548
If you like, I can assign
another producer to edit your show.

1280
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:13,306
Since when has the paragon
of investigative journalism

1281
01:45:13,391 --> 01:45:17,519
allowed lawyers to determine
the news content on 60 Minutes?

1282
01:45:17,603 --> 01:45:18,979
HEWITT: It's an alternate version.

1283
01:45:20,022 --> 01:45:22,691
So what
if we have an alternate version?

1284
01:45:22,775 --> 01:45:25,402
And I don't think our being cautious
is so damned unreasonable.

1285
01:45:26,696 --> 01:45:28,738
So now, if you will
excuse me, gentlemen,

1286
01:45:28,823 --> 01:45:31,408
Mr. Rather's been complaining
about his chair again.

1287
01:45:31,492 --> 01:45:33,076
Before you go,

1288
01:45:35,746 --> 01:45:37,414
I discovered this.

1289
01:45:39,333 --> 01:45:40,792
SEC filing

1290
01:45:40,876 --> 01:45:44,295
for the sale of CBS Corporation
to Westinghouse Corporation.

1291
01:45:44,380 --> 01:45:46,214
-What?
-Yeah, I heard rumors.

1292
01:45:46,298 --> 01:45:47,507
It's not a rumor. It's a sale.

1293
01:45:47,591 --> 01:45:51,845
If Tisch can unload CBS
for $81 a share to Westinghouse,

1294
01:45:51,929 --> 01:45:53,346
and then is suddenly threatened

1295
01:45:53,431 --> 01:45:57,225
with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit
from Brown & Williamson,

1296
01:45:57,768 --> 01:45:59,686
that could screw up the sale,
could it not?

1297
01:45:59,770 --> 01:46:02,480
-KLUSTER: What are you implying?
-I'm not implying. I'm quoting.

1298
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,527
"More vested interests. Persons who
will profit from this merger.

1299
01:46:07,611 --> 01:46:12,866
"Ms. Helen Caperelli, general counsel
of CBS News, 3.9 million.

1300
01:46:13,075 --> 01:46:16,036
"Mr. Eric Kluster,
President of CBS News,

1301
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:17,662
"1 .4 million."

1302
01:46:19,415 --> 01:46:22,250
Are you suggesting that
she and Eric are influenced by money?

1303
01:46:22,334 --> 01:46:26,379
No, no, of course they're not influenced
by money. They work for free.

1304
01:46:26,464 --> 01:46:28,965
And you are a volunteer
executive producer.

1305
01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:33,011
CBS does not do that. And you're
questioning ourjournalistic integrity.

1306
01:46:33,095 --> 01:46:34,929
No, I'm questioning your hearing.

1307
01:46:35,014 --> 01:46:37,307
You hear "reasonable"
and "tortious interference."

1308
01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,560
I hear "potential Brown & Williamson
lawsuit

1309
01:46:40,644 --> 01:46:43,646
"jeopardizing the sale
of CBS to Westinghouse."

1310
01:46:43,731 --> 01:46:47,108
I hear, "Shut the segment down.
Cut Wigand loose.

1311
01:46:47,193 --> 01:46:49,986
"Obey orders and fuck off."
That's what I hear.

1312
01:46:50,071 --> 01:46:51,488
-HEWITT: You're exaggerating.
-I am?

1313
01:46:51,572 --> 01:46:54,866
You pay me to go get guys like Wigand,

1314
01:46:54,950 --> 01:46:58,745
to draw him out, to get him to trust us,
to get him to go on television.

1315
01:46:58,829 --> 01:47:01,748
I do. I deliver him. He sits. He talks.

1316
01:47:01,832 --> 01:47:05,085
He violates his own fucking
confidentiality agreement.

1317
01:47:05,169 --> 01:47:09,297
And he's only the key witness in
the biggest public health reform issue,

1318
01:47:09,381 --> 01:47:11,466
maybe the biggest, most expensive

1319
01:47:11,550 --> 01:47:14,469
corporate malfeasance case
in US history.

1320
01:47:14,553 --> 01:47:16,888
And Jeffrey Wigand,
who's out on a limb,

1321
01:47:16,972 --> 01:47:19,307
does he go on television
and tell the truth?

1322
01:47:19,391 --> 01:47:21,601
Yes. Is it newsworthy?

1323
01:47:21,685 --> 01:47:24,354
Yes. Are we gonna air it?

1324
01:47:24,438 --> 01:47:26,481
Of course not. Why?

1325
01:47:26,565 --> 01:47:28,942
Because he's not telling the truth? No.

1326
01:47:29,026 --> 01:47:32,737
Because he is telling the truth.
That's why we're not gonna air it.

1327
01:47:32,822 --> 01:47:35,406
And the more truth he tells,
the worse it gets.

1328
01:47:35,491 --> 01:47:38,201
You are a fanatic, an anarchist.
You know that?

1329
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:42,664
If we can't have a whole show, then
I want half a show rather than no show.

1330
01:47:43,124 --> 01:47:44,290
But, oh, no. Not you.

1331
01:47:44,375 --> 01:47:46,668
You won't be satisfied unless
you're putting the company at risk!

1332
01:47:46,752 --> 01:47:49,963
What are you? Are you a businessman
or are you a newsman?

1333
01:47:50,047 --> 01:47:52,423
Because that happens to be
what Mike and I

1334
01:47:52,508 --> 01:47:55,135
and some other people
around here do for a living.

1335
01:47:55,219 --> 01:47:58,721
Put the corporation at risk?
Give me a fucking break!

1336
01:47:58,806 --> 01:48:01,057
These people are
putting our whole reason

1337
01:48:01,142 --> 01:48:03,059
for doing what we do on the line!

1338
01:48:03,185 --> 01:48:05,228
-Lowell!
-What?

1339
01:48:05,855 --> 01:48:08,064
I'm with Don on this.

1340
01:48:24,331 --> 01:48:25,999
(DOOR OPENS, CLOSES)

1341
01:48:30,838 --> 01:48:32,046
What's wrong?

1342
01:48:32,131 --> 01:48:34,716
They're killing the Wigand interview.

1343
01:48:35,301 --> 01:48:36,467
What?

1344
01:48:36,552 --> 01:48:39,345
They're pretending it's process.
That's bullshit. It's foregone.

1345
01:48:43,017 --> 01:48:44,934
What are you and Mike gonna do?

1346
01:48:47,688 --> 01:48:49,731
I'm alone on this.

1347
01:48:51,275 --> 01:48:53,026
-Oh, baby.
-Yeah.

1348
01:48:59,450 --> 01:49:01,117
(PHONE RINGING)

1349
01:49:23,098 --> 01:49:25,016
It's Jeffrey Wigand.

1350
01:49:34,526 --> 01:49:37,987
Jeffrey. How are you?

1351
01:49:38,072 --> 01:49:39,822
How's the family? Okay?

1352
01:49:40,407 --> 01:49:41,616
There is no family.

1353
01:49:41,700 --> 01:49:43,201
What do you mean,
"there is no famiIy"?

1354
01:49:43,827 --> 01:49:45,828
Liane has filed for divorce.

1355
01:49:46,288 --> 01:49:49,123
And, so, I've moved out.

1356
01:49:49,208 --> 01:49:51,584
I see the girls a coupIe of days a week.

1357
01:49:51,669 --> 01:49:55,255
-Where are you staying now?
-Our favorite hotel, honey. (SNICKERS)

1358
01:49:57,174 --> 01:49:59,342
I checked into room 930.

1359
01:50:01,512 --> 01:50:03,429
Odd choice, huh?

1360
01:50:07,017 --> 01:50:09,519
I don't know how to say this,

1361
01:50:09,603 --> 01:50:11,646
Jeff, except to just say it right out.

1362
01:50:11,730 --> 01:50:15,733
So, I'll say it. They do not want to air it.

1363
01:50:18,028 --> 01:50:19,487
What?

1364
01:50:19,571 --> 01:50:22,865
B&W may have threatened Iitigation.

1365
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:25,368
CBS is on the block.

1366
01:50:25,828 --> 01:50:29,038
-But you, I mean, I know how you...
-No.

1367
01:50:29,873 --> 01:50:31,374
"No," what?

1368
01:50:32,084 --> 01:50:36,879
I do not think that you know for me
what it is to walk in my shoes.

1369
01:50:38,716 --> 01:50:40,675
For my kids to have seen it,

1370
01:50:42,052 --> 01:50:44,637
for them to know why I've
put them through what I did.

1371
01:50:45,556 --> 01:50:48,308
The public airing of that,
the testament to why I did what I did.

1372
01:50:48,392 --> 01:50:51,394
You're telling me it's not
gonna see the light of day?

1373
01:50:52,062 --> 01:50:53,271
Jeff.

1374
01:51:37,274 --> 01:51:39,192
Mrs. Wigand?

1375
01:51:40,611 --> 01:51:43,529
It hasn't been Mrs. Wigand
for some time.

1376
01:51:43,614 --> 01:51:44,864
I'm an investigator,

1377
01:51:44,948 --> 01:51:47,950
and I was wondering if I could ask you
a couple of questions about that.

1378
01:51:50,371 --> 01:51:52,288
All right.

1379
01:51:56,835 --> 01:51:59,045
Seven months after we were married,

1380
01:51:59,129 --> 01:52:01,464
we found out
that I had muItipIe scIerosis.

1381
01:52:01,548 --> 01:52:03,383
MAN: And you had a daughter, Diane...

1382
01:52:03,467 --> 01:52:05,385
MAN 2: Tommy Sandefur
told me himself.

1383
01:52:05,469 --> 01:52:08,137
He's not going to allow Brown
& Williamson to be demonized

1384
01:52:08,222 --> 01:52:10,056
to the American public.

1385
01:52:10,140 --> 01:52:12,892
So I told Peter Jennings. And I...
Hold on.

1386
01:52:12,976 --> 01:52:14,394
MAN ON TV: You had
muItipIe scIerosis.

1387
01:52:14,478 --> 01:52:16,646
You had a small child to raise.

1388
01:52:17,147 --> 01:52:20,733
Mention that part in the executive
summary and in the chapters.

1389
01:52:20,818 --> 01:52:23,194
First wife
and estrangement of daughter.

1390
01:52:23,779 --> 01:52:25,947
So I was telling Pete, I said,
"You've been taken in by this guy."

1391
01:52:26,031 --> 01:52:28,825
The divorce was something
that we both wanted.

1392
01:52:29,743 --> 01:52:31,494
He's a shoplifter.

1393
01:52:32,538 --> 01:52:34,330
He's a convicted shoplifter.

1394
01:52:52,558 --> 01:52:55,893
So, what are you gonna do?

1395
01:52:56,770 --> 01:52:59,355
What do you think I'm gonna do?
Quit in protest?

1396
01:53:00,023 --> 01:53:01,441
I'm not gonna do that.

1397
01:53:02,484 --> 01:53:03,943
You're taking "no" for an answer?

1398
01:53:04,778 --> 01:53:07,447
No, I'm not gonna take
"no" for an answer. No.

1399
01:53:07,531 --> 01:53:10,116
You're not? What are you doing?

1400
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:14,162
I'm staying right here, doing my job.
Fighting to get my show on the air.

1401
01:53:14,246 --> 01:53:16,372
You don't like it? Hey, I tell you what?

1402
01:53:16,457 --> 01:53:18,040
Fire my ass.

1403
01:53:19,918 --> 01:53:23,713
End up in a high-profile lawsuit with
Lowell, the First Amendment martyr?

1404
01:53:27,134 --> 01:53:29,469
I don't think so. Take a look at this.

1405
01:53:30,888 --> 01:53:33,723
This is a summary of a dossier
that's being prepared.

1406
01:53:34,391 --> 01:53:36,100
He wouldn't lie about his whole life.

1407
01:53:36,185 --> 01:53:38,311
Who's gonna believe him
about anything he says?

1408
01:53:38,395 --> 01:53:42,231
The Wall Street Journal is doing
a major story, and, I think, The Post.

1409
01:53:43,442 --> 01:53:46,110
You backed the wrong horse.

1410
01:53:46,195 --> 01:53:49,322
The version without the interview
is gonna air the week after next.

1411
01:53:56,580 --> 01:53:57,914
What was that about?

1412
01:53:59,291 --> 01:54:01,792
-Get me Wigand.
-Sure.

1413
01:54:05,130 --> 01:54:08,174
What the fuck is this? Fuck!

1414
01:54:08,258 --> 01:54:10,510
BERGMAN: You never told me
you were married before.

1415
01:54:10,594 --> 01:54:13,721
-That you had a daughter.
-How is that any of your business?

1416
01:54:13,805 --> 01:54:16,098
That is not something
that you people need to know.

1417
01:54:16,183 --> 01:54:18,267
Oh, you know what we do
or do not need to know?

1418
01:54:18,352 --> 01:54:20,061
Since when have you become
a media expert?

1419
01:54:20,145 --> 01:54:21,938
What do you wanna do, Lowell?
Look up my ass, too?

1420
01:54:22,022 --> 01:54:23,356
Oh, for God's sake.

1421
01:54:23,440 --> 01:54:24,815
You're not even on this anymore.
What do you care?

1422
01:54:24,900 --> 01:54:26,192
Jeff, wake the fuck up!

1423
01:54:26,276 --> 01:54:29,862
Everybody is on the line here.
If they catch you in a lie,

1424
01:54:29,947 --> 01:54:32,573
they can paint everything
with that brush, you understand?

1425
01:54:32,658 --> 01:54:35,076
-Everything you say.
-I told the truth.

1426
01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:38,704
Everything you say.
And I can't defend you, man,

1427
01:54:38,789 --> 01:54:40,748
with one hand tied behind my back

1428
01:54:40,832 --> 01:54:43,417
because you keep from me
what they can discover.

1429
01:54:43,502 --> 01:54:46,212
And they wiII discover everything.
Believe me.

1430
01:54:46,296 --> 01:54:48,464
I was young! I was young!

1431
01:54:48,549 --> 01:54:51,133
Confused.
We didn't handle it the right way.

1432
01:54:51,218 --> 01:54:53,219
She sued you for back payments
of child support?

1433
01:54:53,303 --> 01:54:54,554
She did not sue me.

1434
01:54:54,638 --> 01:54:58,266
We had a dispute over money.
I settled it. She dropped the complaint.

1435
01:54:59,601 --> 01:55:00,726
Any other questions?

1436
01:55:00,811 --> 01:55:03,229
Yes. Did you lie about
being on the American judo team

1437
01:55:03,313 --> 01:55:04,313
in the Olympics?

1438
01:55:04,731 --> 01:55:07,024
-What?
-Some public relations guy

1439
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:09,110
got hold of a tape of an interview
where you're saying

1440
01:55:09,194 --> 01:55:11,737
you were on the American
judo team in the Olympics.

1441
01:55:11,822 --> 01:55:13,823
What kind of shit is this?

1442
01:55:14,992 --> 01:55:19,078
I was not on the team.
I sparred with the Olympic team. Okay?

1443
01:55:19,162 --> 01:55:22,164
All right. ABC Telemarketing Company?

1444
01:55:22,499 --> 01:55:25,293
-ABC...
-ABC Telemarketing Company.

1445
01:55:25,377 --> 01:55:28,421
The can opener! A 39.95 can opener!

1446
01:55:28,505 --> 01:55:30,339
I canceled payment. It was junk!

1447
01:55:31,049 --> 01:55:34,218
You ever bounce a check, Lowell?
You ever look at another woman's tits?

1448
01:55:34,344 --> 01:55:36,679
You ever cheat a little on your taxes?

1449
01:55:36,763 --> 01:55:39,765
Whose life, if you look at it under
a microscope, doesn't have any flaws?

1450
01:55:39,850 --> 01:55:42,977
Well, that's the whole point, Jeffrey.
That's the whole point.

1451
01:55:43,061 --> 01:55:46,939
Anyone's, everyone's.
They are gonna look under every rock,

1452
01:55:47,024 --> 01:55:50,735
dig up every flaw,
every mistake you've ever made.

1453
01:55:50,819 --> 01:55:53,195
They are going to distort
and exaggerate

1454
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:55,781
everything you've ever done, man.
Don't you understand?

1455
01:55:55,866 --> 01:55:57,742
What does this have to do
with my testimony?

1456
01:55:57,826 --> 01:55:59,619
What does it have to do
with my testimony?

1457
01:55:59,703 --> 01:56:02,622
-I told the truth! It's true and provable!
-It's not about...

1458
01:56:02,706 --> 01:56:04,874
That's not the fucking point,
whether you told the truth or not!

1459
01:56:07,586 --> 01:56:08,919
Hello?

1460
01:56:12,466 --> 01:56:14,216
I told the truth.

1461
01:56:16,803 --> 01:56:18,429
l told the truth.

1462
01:56:19,556 --> 01:56:20,806
(BELL RINGING)

1463
01:56:20,891 --> 01:56:23,059
I gotta teach class. I gotta go.
I gotta teach class.

1464
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:26,354
And I gotta refute
every fucking accusation made

1465
01:56:26,438 --> 01:56:29,398
in this report before
The Wall Street Journal runs.

1466
01:56:33,111 --> 01:56:35,071
I am trying to protect you, man.

1467
01:56:35,906 --> 01:56:37,865
I hope you improve
your batting average.

1468
01:56:56,176 --> 01:56:57,593
(DIALING PHONE)

1469
01:56:57,678 --> 01:57:01,013
WOMAN: They're cutting the interest
rate, and I have that great feature...

1470
01:57:03,517 --> 01:57:05,059
-(CHATTERING)
-(PHONE RINGING)

1471
01:57:07,145 --> 01:57:09,105
-Hello?
-lt's Lowell.

1472
01:57:09,606 --> 01:57:13,818
Are you guys planning to do a piece on
a former top executive in Big Tobacco?

1473
01:57:13,944 --> 01:57:16,779
-You caught me in a news meeting.
-Are you or are you not, Charlie?

1474
01:57:17,072 --> 01:57:18,906
You bet we are,
and I can't talk to you now.

1475
01:57:18,990 --> 01:57:21,742
-We gotta hook up.
-Sure. Where?

1476
01:57:21,827 --> 01:57:23,786
-PJ's.
-l'll be there.

1477
01:57:24,788 --> 01:57:26,247
(PHONE BEEPS)

1478
01:57:29,710 --> 01:57:31,419
(SIREN WAILING)

1479
01:57:31,878 --> 01:57:34,505
Yeah, I got it. 500 pages of it.

1480
01:57:34,589 --> 01:57:36,716
They looked in every corner
of this guy's life,

1481
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:38,217
from the spousal abuse charge,

1482
01:57:38,301 --> 01:57:41,971
to shoplifting, to a traffic ticket
he got once for running a red light.

1483
01:57:42,055 --> 01:57:45,558
It's Terry Lenzner's outfit, IGI.
Jack, listen to me.

1484
01:57:45,642 --> 01:57:48,060
Their strategy: discredit this guy,

1485
01:57:48,145 --> 01:57:50,229
ruin his reputation
in The WaII Street JournaI,

1486
01:57:50,313 --> 01:57:53,733
and then nobody will ever listen
to what he's got to say about tobacco.

1487
01:57:54,276 --> 01:57:56,902
He's dead unless l can
get this thing knocked down.

1488
01:57:56,987 --> 01:57:59,447
Make it even a little more attractive.

1489
01:57:59,531 --> 01:58:02,074
I don't know
if you're ever gonna get paid.

1490
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:04,744
-Is there any truth to any of it?
-That's a good question.

1491
01:58:04,828 --> 01:58:07,121
"Is there any truth to any of it?"
I doubt it.

1492
01:58:07,205 --> 01:58:09,749
-What's the deadline?
-Soon.

1493
01:58:14,755 --> 01:58:16,797
-Fax me the summary.
-That's great, Jack.

1494
01:58:18,508 --> 01:58:21,343
(CROWD CHATTERING)

1495
01:58:24,681 --> 01:58:27,725
-Hey. How are you? Hey, listen.
-Hey.

1496
01:58:27,809 --> 01:58:31,103
I hear you guys are sitting
on something sensational over there.

1497
01:58:31,396 --> 01:58:34,899
-Really? Hi, June.
-Oh, hi, baby.

1498
01:58:36,693 --> 01:58:38,819
-Catch you later.
-Okay. Take care.

1499
01:58:41,031 --> 01:58:42,573
-When's your deadline?
-Monday.

1500
01:58:42,657 --> 01:58:44,950
-Push it.
-What? Forget it.

1501
01:58:45,035 --> 01:58:47,077
It's a smear campaign, Charlie.

1502
01:58:47,162 --> 01:58:48,954
It's drawn from a selectively circulated...

1503
01:58:49,039 --> 01:58:50,581
Oh, yeah. Real selective.

1504
01:58:50,707 --> 01:58:52,792
About as hard to get a hold of
as the Manhattan phone book.

1505
01:58:52,876 --> 01:58:57,004
Well, it's authoritative
and overwhelmingly documented.

1506
01:58:57,088 --> 01:58:59,715
And it's bullshit. And if I'm right,
are you gonna put

1507
01:58:59,800 --> 01:59:03,344
The Journal's reputation behind a story
that's gonna blow up in your face?

1508
01:59:03,428 --> 01:59:04,929
I'll take a look at what you got,

1509
01:59:05,013 --> 01:59:07,348
but I'm not moving any deadlines
because you say so.

1510
01:59:15,065 --> 01:59:16,482
Are you all right?

1511
01:59:18,735 --> 01:59:19,902
Yeah.

1512
01:59:29,704 --> 01:59:31,413
WOMAN: Officer Muravchick?

1513
01:59:32,332 --> 01:59:33,833
Thank you.

1514
01:59:35,460 --> 01:59:37,711
Officer Muravchick, how are you?

1515
01:59:37,796 --> 01:59:40,047
-I'm Sandra Sutherland.
-How do you do?

1516
01:59:40,131 --> 01:59:42,216
Fine, thank you.
I'm doing a background check.

1517
01:59:42,300 --> 01:59:44,260
Mind if I sit down?

1518
01:59:46,388 --> 01:59:48,973
Your Honor,
could I have a word with you?

1519
01:59:50,392 --> 01:59:54,144
You presided in a dispute
over support payments.

1520
01:59:54,229 --> 01:59:57,523
Jeffrey Wigand? Yeah, I cited him.

1521
01:59:57,607 --> 02:00:01,569
CBS is under criticism because
the CBS news program, 60 Minutes,

1522
02:00:01,653 --> 02:00:03,529
wiII not be presenting an interview...

1523
02:00:03,613 --> 02:00:05,614
What the hell are you doing?

1524
02:00:06,658 --> 02:00:08,868
What does it look like I'm doing?
I'm editing.

1525
02:00:08,952 --> 02:00:11,704
No, no, no that. I'm talking
about the Associated Press.

1526
02:00:12,122 --> 02:00:15,916
They got the story that we pulled this
interview, and they talked to Mike and I.

1527
02:00:16,543 --> 02:00:18,210
Did you tell them that we were lying?

1528
02:00:18,295 --> 02:00:19,879
No! I should have.

1529
02:00:19,963 --> 02:00:22,673
I told them I disagreed with you,
Mike and Kluster

1530
02:00:22,757 --> 02:00:25,050
that this segment
is as good as the original.

1531
02:00:25,135 --> 02:00:28,012
I'm not lying for you.
I'm not gonna shut up for you.

1532
02:00:28,096 --> 02:00:30,848
-Not on any of it.
-Hey, I'm not gonna fire you.

1533
02:00:30,932 --> 02:00:33,434
Okay? Take a vacation. Now!

1534
02:00:34,144 --> 02:00:35,811
(PHONE RINGING)

1535
02:00:37,814 --> 02:00:40,649
Lowell? Look, I've decided
to preface Sunday's show.

1536
02:00:40,734 --> 02:00:43,861
I did three minutes on The Evening
News. You'll want to see it.

1537
02:00:44,696 --> 02:00:47,740
-Where are you going?
-I've been banished...

1538
02:00:47,824 --> 02:00:49,450
In lieu of being fired.

1539
02:00:50,619 --> 02:00:53,329
I took off on Tisch.
I took off on Corporate.

1540
02:00:53,413 --> 02:00:56,040
They'll know they're not going to see
everything on Sunday night.

1541
02:00:57,334 --> 02:01:00,002
I don't know. How does that
get Wigand on the air?

1542
02:01:01,004 --> 02:01:02,922
Do me a favor, will you? Spare me.

1543
02:01:03,006 --> 02:01:05,424
For God's sake, get in the real world.
What do you think?

1544
02:01:05,508 --> 02:01:08,761
I'm going to resign in protest
to force it on the air?

1545
02:01:08,845 --> 02:01:12,097
The answer's no. I don't plan
to spend the end of my days

1546
02:01:12,182 --> 02:01:15,059
wandering in the wilderness
of National Public Radio.

1547
02:01:15,143 --> 02:01:17,061
That decision I've already made.

1548
02:01:19,314 --> 02:01:21,690
WOMAN ON TV: This Sunday,
WaIIace wiII broadcast a report

1549
02:01:21,775 --> 02:01:23,108
on the tobacco industry,

1550
02:01:23,193 --> 02:01:26,028
incIuding the tough tactics
tobacco companies empIoy

1551
02:01:26,112 --> 02:01:28,781
to keep a Iid on information
that might be damaging.

1552
02:01:28,865 --> 02:01:31,784
ls there information
that peopIe shouId have

1553
02:01:31,868 --> 02:01:33,202
that they're not going to have

1554
02:01:33,286 --> 02:01:35,955
because you're not going to
broadcast this interview?

1555
02:01:36,039 --> 02:01:37,498
Yes.

1556
02:01:37,582 --> 02:01:40,376
Today, CBS News president
Eric Kluster

1557
02:01:40,460 --> 02:01:43,128
defended the network's decision
not to broadcast

1558
02:01:43,213 --> 02:01:45,756
key portions
of the controversial interview.

1559
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:49,134
Mr. KIuster said, quote,
"The atmosphere is tougher than ever."

1560
02:01:49,219 --> 02:01:51,428
-Where's the rest?
-WOMAN ON TV: Dan.

1561
02:01:51,513 --> 02:01:53,222
Where the hell's the rest?

1562
02:01:53,306 --> 02:01:55,307
DAN: Nebraska football fans
voiced their criticism...

1563
02:01:55,392 --> 02:01:56,725
You cut it!

1564
02:01:56,810 --> 02:01:58,769
Coming up in
Bernard Goldberg's America.

1565
02:01:58,853 --> 02:02:01,814
-You cut the guts out of what I said!
-It was a time consideration...

1566
02:02:01,898 --> 02:02:05,359
Time? Bullshit! You corporate lackey.

1567
02:02:05,443 --> 02:02:07,319
Who told you
your incompetent little fingers

1568
02:02:07,404 --> 02:02:09,363
have the requisite skills to edit me?

1569
02:02:09,447 --> 02:02:12,157
I'm trying to Band-Aid a situation
here, and you're too dim...

1570
02:02:12,242 --> 02:02:14,535
Mike. Mike. Mike.

1571
02:02:14,619 --> 02:02:17,246
"Mike"? "Mike"!

1572
02:02:18,707 --> 02:02:20,499
Try "Mr. Wallace."

1573
02:02:21,084 --> 02:02:22,501
We work in the same corporation,

1574
02:02:22,585 --> 02:02:24,586
doesn't mean we work
in the same profession.

1575
02:02:24,671 --> 02:02:27,131
Now, now what are you going to do
now? You going to finesse me?

1576
02:02:27,215 --> 02:02:31,552
Lawyer me some more? I've been
in this profession 50 fucking years!

1577
02:02:31,636 --> 02:02:34,805
You and the people you work for
are destroying the most respected,

1578
02:02:34,889 --> 02:02:37,599
the highest rated, the most
profitable show on this network.

1579
02:02:53,616 --> 02:02:57,369
Here. These are their leads,
their sources.

1580
02:02:57,454 --> 02:03:00,497
-I want you to have your reporters...
-Suein Hwang and Milo Geyelin.

1581
02:03:00,582 --> 02:03:02,708
Have them make their own calls.

1582
02:03:02,792 --> 02:03:04,626
They'll find that these sources
have a different story

1583
02:03:04,711 --> 02:03:06,336
than the one that's in the dossier.

1584
02:03:08,631 --> 02:03:10,549
Push the deadline, Charlie.

1585
02:03:15,805 --> 02:03:19,475
I'll push it for a week.
I want Milo and Suein to go through it.

1586
02:03:34,657 --> 02:03:36,700
What do you want to buy him for a gift?

1587
02:03:36,951 --> 02:03:40,621
Mmm, he's into kind of little cars that...

1588
02:03:40,955 --> 02:03:42,915
-That remote control thing?
-Yeah.

1589
02:03:42,999 --> 02:03:45,250
All right. We'll go do that tomorrow.

1590
02:03:45,335 --> 02:03:49,463
MAN ON TV: The 63-36 vote was three
shy of the two-thirds needed to pass...

1591
02:03:49,547 --> 02:03:52,424
-Mom. There's Dad.
-Yes?

1592
02:03:52,509 --> 02:03:55,511
-On the TV.
-...dating back to 1986.

1593
02:03:55,595 --> 02:03:57,763
The most recent trouble
for Wigand occurred here...

1594
02:03:57,847 --> 02:03:59,932
And in IocaI news, WLKO, LouisviIIe,

1595
02:04:00,016 --> 02:04:02,768
has gained access
to a 500-page dossier

1596
02:04:02,852 --> 02:04:05,562
on former Brown & Williamson
research head, Jeffrey Wigand,

1597
02:04:05,647 --> 02:04:09,316
detaiIing charges of shopIifting
and faiIing to pay chiId support.

1598
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:11,401
Wigand is currentIy teaching
chemistry and Japanese

1599
02:04:11,486 --> 02:04:13,320
at the duPont Manual High School.

1600
02:04:13,404 --> 02:04:14,905
Maria.

1601
02:04:27,127 --> 02:04:28,752
(TICKING)

1602
02:04:36,886 --> 02:04:39,429
WALLACE: Thousands ofdocuments
from inside the tobacco industry

1603
02:04:39,514 --> 02:04:41,473
have surfaced over the past year.

1604
02:04:41,558 --> 02:04:43,559
Documents that appear to confirm

1605
02:04:43,643 --> 02:04:45,686
what a former US surgeon general

1606
02:04:45,770 --> 02:04:49,523
and the current head of the Food and
Drug Administration have been saying.

1607
02:04:50,150 --> 02:04:52,484
We learned of a tobacco insider
who could tell us

1608
02:04:52,569 --> 02:04:55,988
whether or not the tobacco industry
has been IeveIing with the pubIic.

1609
02:04:56,072 --> 02:04:58,157
That insider was formerly

1610
02:04:58,241 --> 02:05:01,368
a highIy-pIaced executive
with a tobacco company.

1611
02:05:01,452 --> 02:05:05,164
But we cannot broadcast what critical
information about tobacco,

1612
02:05:05,248 --> 02:05:08,667
addiction and pubIic heaIth
he might be abIe to offer.

1613
02:05:08,751 --> 02:05:12,588
Why? Because he had to sign
a confidentiaIity agreement

1614
02:05:12,672 --> 02:05:14,882
with the tobacco company
he worked for.

1615
02:05:14,966 --> 02:05:18,385
The management of CBS has told us

1616
02:05:18,469 --> 02:05:20,554
that knowing he had that agreement,

1617
02:05:20,638 --> 02:05:23,098
if we were to broadcast
an interview with him,

1618
02:05:23,183 --> 02:05:27,144
CBS could be faced
with a multi-billion dollar lawsuit.

1619
02:05:27,228 --> 02:05:30,898
The fact is, we are not aIIowed
even to mention his name

1620
02:05:30,982 --> 02:05:33,525
or the name of the company
he worked for.

1621
02:05:33,610 --> 02:05:37,946
And, of course,
we cannot show you his face.

1622
02:05:38,031 --> 02:05:40,032
And your confidentiaIity
agreement with...

1623
02:05:40,116 --> 02:05:41,200
(BLEEP)

1624
02:05:41,284 --> 02:05:43,035
-...is still in force?
-VOICE OVER: Yes, it is.

1625
02:05:43,786 --> 02:05:47,206
So what are they gonna do?
Sue you for making this appearance?

1626
02:05:47,290 --> 02:05:49,374
VOICE OVER: l would bet on it.

1627
02:05:49,459 --> 02:05:52,211
WALLACE: The former executive
has reason to bet on being sued,

1628
02:05:52,295 --> 02:05:54,129
for major cigarette manufacturers...

1629
02:06:11,522 --> 02:06:12,981
(PHONE BEEPING)

1630
02:06:14,442 --> 02:06:15,734
(RINGING)

1631
02:06:15,818 --> 02:06:17,653
Yeah.

1632
02:06:17,737 --> 02:06:19,905
WALLACE: You disappeared on me.

1633
02:06:19,989 --> 02:06:22,491
-How Iong you staying?
-I disappeared on you?

1634
02:06:23,660 --> 02:06:25,702
All right. What did you think?

1635
02:06:27,038 --> 02:06:29,164
I think it was a disgrace.

1636
02:06:29,832 --> 02:06:31,375
(DIAL TONE)

1637
02:06:33,294 --> 02:06:34,836
(DIALING PHONE)

1638
02:06:35,838 --> 02:06:37,339
(PHONE RINGING)

1639
02:06:38,549 --> 02:06:41,802
(WOMAN VOCALIZING)

1640
02:06:53,273 --> 02:06:57,025
-MAN: Still no answer.
-Get me the manager's office.

1641
02:06:58,027 --> 02:07:00,320
David. David, you've got a call
on line four.

1642
02:07:00,405 --> 02:07:02,322
I think you better take it.

1643
02:07:03,950 --> 02:07:05,492
This is David McDougal.
How can I help you?

1644
02:07:05,576 --> 02:07:07,953
Mr. McDougal,
my name is Lowell Bergman.

1645
02:07:08,037 --> 02:07:09,705
I'm a producer for 60 Minutes.

1646
02:07:10,164 --> 02:07:14,084
I'm concerned for a friend of mine
who's staying at your hotel right now.

1647
02:07:21,551 --> 02:07:26,138
Mr. Wigand?

1648
02:07:31,936 --> 02:07:34,313
I think I need to call the police.
He won't respond.

1649
02:07:34,397 --> 02:07:37,441
No, no, don't call the police.
Just tell him I'm on the phone with you.

1650
02:07:37,525 --> 02:07:39,985
My name is Lowell Bergman.
Just tell him that.

1651
02:07:40,278 --> 02:07:44,156
Mr. Wigand, Mr. Bergman
is on the telephone.

1652
02:07:45,783 --> 02:07:47,326
Did he hear you?

1653
02:07:47,410 --> 02:07:49,745
-(PHONE BEEPS)
-You're breaking up. I can't hear you.

1654
02:07:50,246 --> 02:07:51,830
What about now?

1655
02:07:51,914 --> 02:07:54,458
-What?
-Hello? Can you hear me now?

1656
02:07:55,668 --> 02:07:57,586
(WOMAN CONTINUES VOCALIZING)

1657
02:09:02,610 --> 02:09:06,321
-What's happening?
-He doesn't seem to be listening.

1658
02:09:06,406 --> 02:09:09,658
All right. Now listen to me.
I want you to tell him,

1659
02:09:09,742 --> 02:09:12,744
in these words,
"Get on the fucking phone."

1660
02:09:13,621 --> 02:09:15,163
I can't say that.

1661
02:09:15,248 --> 02:09:17,791
No, you can. Tell him
to get on the fucking phone!

1662
02:09:18,167 --> 02:09:21,002
He told me to tell you
to get on the fucking phone!

1663
02:09:25,133 --> 02:09:26,258
(MUSIC ENDS)

1664
02:09:27,385 --> 02:09:29,845
You manipulated me into this.

1665
02:09:29,929 --> 02:09:32,055
-That's buIIshit, Jeff.
-You greased the rails.

1666
02:09:32,140 --> 02:09:36,435
I greased the rails for a guy who wanted
to say "yes." I helped him to say "yes."

1667
02:09:36,519 --> 02:09:38,812
That's all. You're not a robot, Jeff.

1668
02:09:38,896 --> 02:09:40,897
All right? You got a mind
of your own, don't you?

1669
02:09:40,982 --> 02:09:41,940
"Up to you, Jeffrey.

1670
02:09:42,024 --> 02:09:44,109
"That's the power you have, Jeffrey.

1671
02:09:44,193 --> 02:09:46,778
"Vital inside information
the American public need to know."

1672
02:09:46,863 --> 02:09:50,323
Lowell Bergman, the hotshot who never
met a source he couldn't turn around.

1673
02:09:50,408 --> 02:09:52,659
I fought for you, and I still fight for you!

1674
02:09:52,743 --> 02:09:55,579
You fought for me?
You manipulated me

1675
02:09:55,663 --> 02:09:58,957
into where I am now, staring
at the Brown & Williamson building!

1676
02:09:59,041 --> 02:10:01,835
It's all dark except the tenth floor.
That's the legal department.

1677
02:10:01,919 --> 02:10:04,045
That's where they fuck with my life.

1678
02:10:09,093 --> 02:10:10,469
Jeffrey, where you going with this?

1679
02:10:12,972 --> 02:10:14,556
So, where you going?

1680
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:24,024
You are important
to a Iot of peopIe, Jeffrey.

1681
02:10:25,193 --> 02:10:26,818
You think about that.

1682
02:10:28,029 --> 02:10:29,946
You think about them.

1683
02:10:43,294 --> 02:10:45,378
I'm running out of heroes, man.

1684
02:10:46,797 --> 02:10:48,924
Guys like you are in short supply.

1685
02:10:54,972 --> 02:10:56,932
Yeah, guys like you, too.

1686
02:11:02,355 --> 02:11:04,439
Where are you, anyway?

1687
02:11:04,524 --> 02:11:07,442
I'm on a leave of absence.
Forced vacation.

1688
02:11:10,655 --> 02:11:12,989
-You try and have a good time.
-Yeah.

1689
02:11:13,824 --> 02:11:15,700
Yeah, I wiII.

1690
02:11:30,675 --> 02:11:32,551
I'm Lowell Bergman.
I'm from 60 Minutes.

1691
02:11:32,635 --> 02:11:34,678
You know, you take the 60 Minutes
out of that sentence,

1692
02:11:34,762 --> 02:11:36,596
nobody returns your phone calls.

1693
02:11:37,306 --> 02:11:40,308
Maybe Wigand's right.
Maybe I'm hooked.

1694
02:11:42,395 --> 02:11:44,229
What am I hooked on?

1695
02:11:44,313 --> 02:11:46,606
The rush of 60 Minutes?

1696
02:11:47,441 --> 02:11:50,735
What the hell for? "Infotainment"!

1697
02:11:50,820 --> 02:11:52,946
It's so fucking useless, all of it.

1698
02:11:53,030 --> 02:11:56,616
So it's a big country with a free press.
You can go and work somewhere else.

1699
02:11:56,701 --> 02:11:58,952
"Free press"? The press is free.

1700
02:11:59,036 --> 02:12:02,622
For anyone who owns one.
Larry Tisch has a free press.

1701
02:12:02,707 --> 02:12:05,000
-Get some perspective, Lowell.
-I got perspective.

1702
02:12:05,084 --> 02:12:07,085
No, you do not.

1703
02:12:08,504 --> 02:12:10,964
From my perspective,

1704
02:12:11,048 --> 02:12:14,759
what's been going on and
what I've been doing is ridiculous.

1705
02:12:14,844 --> 02:12:17,220
-It's half-measures.
-You're not listening.

1706
02:12:23,561 --> 02:12:26,563
Really know what you're going to do
before you do it.

1707
02:13:00,931 --> 02:13:02,599
(BEEPING)

1708
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:05,852
(BEEPING STOPS)

1709
02:13:08,397 --> 02:13:10,482
DEBBIE: l've got Richard Scruggs
on the phone.

1710
02:13:10,566 --> 02:13:12,400
-Patch him through.
-(RINGING)

1711
02:13:13,611 --> 02:13:15,737
SCRUGGS: Well, Lowell,
you are not gonna believe this.

1712
02:13:16,614 --> 02:13:20,742
The governor of Mississippi
is suing his own attorney general

1713
02:13:20,826 --> 02:13:23,495
to abandon litigation
against Big Tobacco.

1714
02:13:24,664 --> 02:13:26,331
Oh, good.

1715
02:13:26,415 --> 02:13:29,334
But now that the version
without Jeff ran,

1716
02:13:29,418 --> 02:13:31,836
what's the chance of getting
his interview on the air?

1717
02:13:34,340 --> 02:13:36,341
-Hello?
-Yeah, I'm here.

1718
02:13:36,425 --> 02:13:38,927
What chance is there of getting
Jeff's interview on the air?

1719
02:13:39,011 --> 02:13:40,595
Less than great.

1720
02:13:45,434 --> 02:13:47,185
I'd be lying to you if I did not tell you

1721
02:13:47,269 --> 02:13:50,021
how important it was
in the court of public opinion.

1722
02:13:51,315 --> 02:13:53,983
I'd be lying to you if I didn't tell you...

1723
02:13:54,068 --> 02:13:55,860
I'm about out of moves, Dick.

1724
02:13:59,949 --> 02:14:01,616
-(CHATTERING)
-All right. See ya.

1725
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:19,134
(DOORBELL JANGLING)

1726
02:14:25,099 --> 02:14:26,516
Hi.

1727
02:14:28,602 --> 02:14:32,480
So, what are you folks doing
here in Lincoln?

1728
02:14:33,941 --> 02:14:36,985
-Geology survey.
-Geology?

1729
02:14:38,028 --> 02:14:40,488
Yeah? Really?

1730
02:14:41,157 --> 02:14:43,116
How about you?

1731
02:14:44,827 --> 02:14:46,369
I work for CBS News.

1732
02:14:47,997 --> 02:14:49,330
Oh, yeah?

1733
02:15:07,183 --> 02:15:09,184
(DOORBELL JANGLING,
DOOR CLOSES)

1734
02:15:17,067 --> 02:15:19,444
Just ran into two of your geologists.

1735
02:15:19,528 --> 02:15:22,113
Geologists whose hands
aren't all chewed up.

1736
02:15:22,198 --> 02:15:26,326
Lowell, do not screw this up.

1737
02:15:26,410 --> 02:15:28,828
We are a week away from an arrest.

1738
02:15:28,913 --> 02:15:31,080
So I'll hold it. And?

1739
02:15:31,165 --> 02:15:33,750
We'll give you a heads-up
before we launch.

1740
02:15:33,834 --> 02:15:35,585
-How long?
-Three hours.

1741
02:15:35,669 --> 02:15:37,003
You got a deaI.

1742
02:15:53,103 --> 02:15:56,773
WALLACE: Like the testimony before
Congress of Dr. Wigand's former boss,

1743
02:15:56,857 --> 02:16:00,485
Brown & Williamson's chief
executive officer, Thomas Sandefur.

1744
02:16:00,569 --> 02:16:03,154
l believe that nicotine is not addictive.

1745
02:16:03,239 --> 02:16:05,406
l believe Mr. Sandefur perjured himself

1746
02:16:05,533 --> 02:16:07,408
because l watched those testimonies
very carefuIIy.

1747
02:16:07,493 --> 02:16:09,035
WALLACE: AII of us did.

1748
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:11,454
I mean,
there was this whoIe Iine of peopIe,

1749
02:16:11,539 --> 02:16:14,123
whole line of CEOs up there,
aII swearing.

1750
02:16:14,208 --> 02:16:17,168
Part of the reason l'm here is that l felt

1751
02:16:17,253 --> 02:16:19,420
that their representation...

1752
02:16:41,277 --> 02:16:43,987
(NO AUDIO)

1753
02:16:48,909 --> 02:16:50,827
...more rapidIy absorbed in the Iung

1754
02:16:50,911 --> 02:16:53,037
and therefore affect
the brain and centraI nervous system.

1755
02:17:15,477 --> 02:17:17,061
(PHONE RINGING)

1756
02:17:18,230 --> 02:17:20,106
-Hello?
-Jim, it's LoweII.

1757
02:17:20,190 --> 02:17:22,901
-Hey, where are you?
-Remember that night at PJ's?

1758
02:17:22,985 --> 02:17:25,445
You asked me if we were sitting
on something explosive.

1759
02:17:25,529 --> 02:17:27,071
Well, we're not sitting on it.

1760
02:17:27,156 --> 02:17:30,909
CBS Corporate leaned on CBS News,
which yanked an interview we did

1761
02:17:30,993 --> 02:17:34,829
with a top-ranking tobacco scientist,
corporate officer.

1762
02:17:34,914 --> 02:17:37,165
They're trying to close down the story.

1763
02:17:37,249 --> 02:17:40,543
You mean, 60 Minutes is letting
CBS Corporate

1764
02:17:40,628 --> 02:17:42,754
decide what is or is not news?

1765
02:17:42,838 --> 02:17:45,423
What's Wallace think about this?
Or Hewitt, or...

1766
02:17:45,507 --> 02:17:47,634
How prominent?
What kind of placement?

1767
02:17:47,968 --> 02:17:51,512
Oh, come on, Lowell. This is
The New York Times. I don't know.

1768
02:17:51,597 --> 02:17:55,266
WeII, untiI you do, aII I can
teII you is what you aIready know.

1769
02:17:55,351 --> 02:17:57,352
They will not air an interview.

1770
02:17:58,187 --> 02:17:59,729
Call me back in 1 0.

1771
02:18:01,649 --> 02:18:03,191
(PHONE RINGING)

1772
02:18:07,863 --> 02:18:10,114
-Hello?
-Debbie, it's me.

1773
02:18:10,199 --> 02:18:12,617
Hi. What time is it?

1774
02:18:12,701 --> 02:18:13,952
Oh, it's Iate.

1775
02:18:14,036 --> 02:18:16,621
That I know.
When are you coming back?

1776
02:18:16,705 --> 02:18:19,791
I can't get out of here till mid-morning.
I'll be in tomorrow night.

1777
02:18:19,875 --> 02:18:23,002
Listen, could you call a number for me?
It's in Mississippi.

1778
02:18:23,462 --> 02:18:25,380
Okay. Hold on a second.

1779
02:18:28,425 --> 02:18:29,717
What is it?

1780
02:18:33,555 --> 02:18:35,098
(PHONE RINGING)

1781
02:18:35,557 --> 02:18:37,475
-Hello?
-lt's Lowell.

1782
02:18:37,559 --> 02:18:41,646
All right, Lowell. Page one.
Editorial's interested. Let's talk.

1783
02:18:41,730 --> 02:18:45,316
Here's how it works. You ask me
questions. I tell you if you're wrong.

1784
02:18:46,610 --> 02:18:49,862
-Lowell, you sure you want to do this?
-Why?

1785
02:18:50,489 --> 02:18:53,574
Hey, it doesn't work,
you've burned your bridges, man.

1786
02:18:54,118 --> 02:18:55,410
You ready?

1787
02:18:56,245 --> 02:18:58,830
Okay. About this whistle-blower,

1788
02:18:58,914 --> 02:19:01,624
did Mike and Don go along
with the corporate decision?

1789
02:19:03,752 --> 02:19:07,588
-Lowell?
-Did I tell you you were wrong?

1790
02:19:08,882 --> 02:19:12,719
No. I'm assuming the cave-in begins

1791
02:19:12,803 --> 02:19:15,054
with the threat of litigation
from Big Tobacco.

1792
02:19:15,139 --> 02:19:16,764
Are we talking...

1793
02:19:17,641 --> 02:19:19,809
Are we taIking
Brown & Williamson here?

1794
02:19:53,302 --> 02:19:55,344
WALLACE: Did I get you up?

1795
02:19:55,637 --> 02:19:59,724
No, I usually sit around my hotel room
dressed like this at 5:30 in the morning,

1796
02:19:59,808 --> 02:20:01,726
sleepy look on my face.

1797
02:20:03,687 --> 02:20:05,563
How many shows have we done? Huh?

1798
02:20:05,647 --> 02:20:07,899
-Come on. How many?
-Oh, lots.

1799
02:20:07,983 --> 02:20:09,150
That's right.

1800
02:20:11,820 --> 02:20:14,238
But in all that time, Mike,

1801
02:20:14,323 --> 02:20:17,116
did you ever get off a plane,
walk into a room

1802
02:20:17,201 --> 02:20:20,495
and find that a source for a story
changed his mind?

1803
02:20:22,539 --> 02:20:24,749
Lost his heart? Walked out on us?

1804
02:20:24,833 --> 02:20:27,627
Not one fucking time.
You wanna know why?

1805
02:20:28,087 --> 02:20:30,254
I see a rhetorical question
on the horizon.

1806
02:20:30,339 --> 02:20:32,215
I'm gonna tell you why.

1807
02:20:32,299 --> 02:20:35,760
Because when I tell someone
I'm gonna do something, I deliver.

1808
02:20:36,303 --> 02:20:40,098
Oh, how fortunate I am to have
Lowell Bergman's moral tutelage

1809
02:20:40,182 --> 02:20:42,892
to point me down the shining
path, to show me the way.

1810
02:20:42,976 --> 02:20:45,103
-Give me a break.
-You give me a break.

1811
02:20:45,187 --> 02:20:48,314
I never left a source
hung out to dry ever.

1812
02:20:48,398 --> 02:20:51,317
Abandoned. Not till right fucking now.

1813
02:20:51,944 --> 02:20:55,154
When I came on this job,
I came with my word intact.

1814
02:20:55,239 --> 02:20:58,616
I'm gonna leave with my word intact.
Fuck the rules of the game!

1815
02:20:59,201 --> 02:21:01,327
Hell, you're supposed
to know me, Mike.

1816
02:21:01,411 --> 02:21:03,246
What the hell did you expect?

1817
02:21:03,330 --> 02:21:05,498
You expect me to lie down?

1818
02:21:05,999 --> 02:21:08,835
Back off? Or get over it?

1819
02:21:08,919 --> 02:21:13,381
In the real world, when you get to where
I am, there are other considerations.

1820
02:21:13,465 --> 02:21:16,592
Like what? Corporate responsibility?

1821
02:21:16,677 --> 02:21:18,594
What, are we talking celebrity here?

1822
02:21:18,679 --> 02:21:22,640
I'm not talking about celebrity,
vanity, CBS. I'm...

1823
02:21:24,184 --> 02:21:25,309
I'm talking about

1824
02:21:25,394 --> 02:21:28,062
when you're nearer the end
of your life than the beginning.

1825
02:21:29,231 --> 02:21:32,024
And what do you think
you think about then? The future?

1826
02:21:33,026 --> 02:21:35,570
"In the future, I'm gonna do this,
become that"?

1827
02:21:35,654 --> 02:21:37,822
What future? No.

1828
02:21:37,906 --> 02:21:39,490
What you think is...

1829
02:21:40,909 --> 02:21:43,995
"How will I be regarded in the end,

1830
02:21:44,079 --> 02:21:45,913
"after I'm gone?"

1831
02:21:47,749 --> 02:21:50,626
Oh, along the way,
I suppose I made some minor impact.

1832
02:21:51,044 --> 02:21:55,339
I did Irangate, the Ayatollah, Malcolm X,

1833
02:21:55,424 --> 02:21:58,342
Martin Luther King,
Saddam, Sadat, etc., etc.

1834
02:21:58,427 --> 02:22:03,806
I showed them thieves in suits.
I spent a lifetime building all that.

1835
02:22:06,685 --> 02:22:10,438
But history only remembers
most what you did last.

1836
02:22:12,024 --> 02:22:15,151
And should that be fronting a segment

1837
02:22:15,235 --> 02:22:18,988
that allowed a tobacco giant
to crash this network...

1838
02:22:25,078 --> 02:22:29,582
Does it give someone
at my time of life pause?

1839
02:22:33,128 --> 02:22:34,462
Yeah.

1840
02:22:42,095 --> 02:22:43,554
Mike,

1841
02:22:49,811 --> 02:22:52,897
You and I have been doing this

1842
02:22:52,981 --> 02:22:56,067
together for 14 years.

1843
02:22:58,570 --> 02:23:00,571
This is today's New York Times.

1844
02:23:01,323 --> 02:23:03,741
In it is the whole sordid story

1845
02:23:03,825 --> 02:23:05,910
of what went on inside our shop.

1846
02:23:07,496 --> 02:23:10,831
And in the editorial, it accuses us

1847
02:23:12,125 --> 02:23:15,086
of betraying the legacy
of Edward R. Murrow.

1848
02:23:24,638 --> 02:23:26,347
(DOOR OPENS)

1849
02:23:29,184 --> 02:23:31,102
(DOOR CLOSES)

1850
02:23:40,362 --> 02:23:43,030
They conclude most of it
seems pretty unsubstantiated.

1851
02:23:52,165 --> 02:23:54,083
You're full of shit, John.

1852
02:24:00,090 --> 02:24:01,716
(PHONE RINGING)

1853
02:24:05,721 --> 02:24:06,887
Yeah.

1854
02:24:06,972 --> 02:24:09,515
DEBBIE: Front page.
There's a picture of Wigand.

1855
02:24:09,599 --> 02:24:11,475
Article's entitled, "Getting Personal."

1856
02:24:11,560 --> 02:24:13,728
Byline to Suein Hwang
and Milo Geyelin.

1857
02:24:13,812 --> 02:24:15,563
Wait. HoId on a second, LoweII.

1858
02:24:17,232 --> 02:24:18,357
Yeah.

1859
02:24:22,612 --> 02:24:25,072
Yeah, I'll see if I can find him.

1860
02:24:25,157 --> 02:24:28,284
Yeah, hold on. Don's looking for you.

1861
02:24:28,744 --> 02:24:30,077
Good.

1862
02:24:30,162 --> 02:24:32,079
The subheading is
"Brown & Williamson

1863
02:24:32,164 --> 02:24:35,082
"has a 500-page dossier
attacking chief critic."

1864
02:24:35,167 --> 02:24:37,668
It quotes Richard Scruggs
calling it the worst kind

1865
02:24:37,753 --> 02:24:41,088
of an organized smear campaign
against a whistle-blower.

1866
02:24:41,173 --> 02:24:42,548
"A close look at the file

1867
02:24:42,632 --> 02:24:44,633
"and independent research
by this newspaper

1868
02:24:44,718 --> 02:24:48,012
"into its key claim indicates
that many of the serious allegations

1869
02:24:48,096 --> 02:24:52,767
"against Mr. Wigand are backed by
scant or contradictory evidence."

1870
02:25:12,788 --> 02:25:15,247
BERGMAN: This news division
has been vilified

1871
02:25:15,332 --> 02:25:18,417
in The New York Times,
in print, on television

1872
02:25:18,502 --> 02:25:20,086
for caving to corporate interests.

1873
02:25:20,170 --> 02:25:21,712
The New York Times
ran a blow-by-blow

1874
02:25:21,797 --> 02:25:24,131
of what we talked about
behind closed doors.

1875
02:25:24,216 --> 02:25:27,176
-You fucked us!
-No! You fucked you!

1876
02:25:27,260 --> 02:25:29,053
Don't invert stuff.

1877
02:25:29,137 --> 02:25:32,139
Big Tobacco tried to smear Wigand.
You bought it.

1878
02:25:32,224 --> 02:25:34,058
The WaII Street JournaI, here,

1879
02:25:34,142 --> 02:25:37,895
not exactly a bastion
of anti-capitalist sentiment,

1880
02:25:37,979 --> 02:25:40,648
refutes Big Tobacco's smear campaign

1881
02:25:40,732 --> 02:25:43,859
as the lowest form
of character assassination.

1882
02:25:43,944 --> 02:25:46,028
And now, even now, when every word

1883
02:25:46,113 --> 02:25:48,989
of what Wigand has said
on our show is printed,

1884
02:25:49,074 --> 02:25:52,827
the entire deposition
of his testimony in a court of law

1885
02:25:52,911 --> 02:25:54,078
in the State of Mississippi,

1886
02:25:54,162 --> 02:25:57,164
the cat totally out of the bag,

1887
02:25:57,874 --> 02:25:59,959
you're still standing here debating.

1888
02:26:00,752 --> 02:26:04,004
Don, what the hell else do you need?

1889
02:26:05,173 --> 02:26:07,133
Mike, you tell him.

1890
02:26:07,217 --> 02:26:08,968
You fucked up, Don.

1891
02:26:16,351 --> 02:26:19,186
It's old news. Stick with me, like always.
We'll be okay.

1892
02:26:19,271 --> 02:26:21,355
These things have
a half-life of 1 5 minutes.

1893
02:26:22,566 --> 02:26:26,444
No, that's fame.
Fame has a 1 5-minute half-life.

1894
02:26:26,528 --> 02:26:28,487
Infamy lasts a little longer.

1895
02:26:29,364 --> 02:26:33,576
We caved. It's foolish.
It's simply dead wrong.

1896
02:26:34,286 --> 02:26:37,580
Now this is what we're going to do.
We're going over to Black Rock...

1897
02:26:41,418 --> 02:26:45,629
Okay? So let's get back to work.
Now, what we saw there

1898
02:26:45,714 --> 02:26:48,466
was two potassium chlorate

1899
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:53,721
would yield two potassium
chloride, also a solid...

1900
02:26:56,141 --> 02:26:57,683
(NO AUDIO)

1901
02:27:04,024 --> 02:27:07,818
They canceled the 6:00.
I don't know why.

1902
02:27:08,236 --> 02:27:11,989
I'm on the 8:1 0. I should be home 9:30.

1903
02:27:12,407 --> 02:27:14,867
I'll see you then. I love you. Bye.

1904
02:27:29,090 --> 02:27:31,091
-Oh. Thanks, Dad.
-Thanks.

1905
02:27:35,555 --> 02:27:37,181
(TICKING)

1906
02:27:40,644 --> 02:27:42,269
(TICKING CONTINUES)

1907
02:27:43,438 --> 02:27:45,439
CBS management wouldn't
let us broadcast

1908
02:27:45,524 --> 02:27:48,859
our originaI story and
our interview with Jeffrey Wigand

1909
02:27:48,944 --> 02:27:51,529
because they were worried
about the possibiIity

1910
02:27:51,613 --> 02:27:56,200
of a multi-billion dollar lawsuit
against us for tortious interference.

1911
02:27:56,785 --> 02:27:58,953
But now things have changed.

1912
02:27:59,037 --> 02:28:01,830
What Dr. Wigand toId us
was that his former...

1913
02:28:02,332 --> 02:28:05,125
(WOMAN VOCALIZING)

1914
02:28:06,461 --> 02:28:08,587
(NO DIALOGUE)

1915
02:28:30,610 --> 02:28:33,779
MOORE: This industry, in my opinion,
is an industry

1916
02:28:33,863 --> 02:28:37,908
that has perpetrated the biggest fraud
on the American pubIic in history.

1917
02:28:37,993 --> 02:28:39,493
They've kiIIed miIIions and miIIions of...

1918
02:28:40,787 --> 02:28:42,705
(NO AUDIO)

1919
02:29:03,393 --> 02:29:05,394
WALLACE ON TV: You wish
you hadn't bIown the whistIe?

1920
02:29:06,605 --> 02:29:09,064
Yeah, there are times
l wish l hadn't done it.

1921
02:29:11,067 --> 02:29:14,486
There are times I feeI compeIIed
to do it.

1922
02:29:16,281 --> 02:29:20,993
If you'd asked me, wouId I do it again,
do l think it's worth it?

1923
02:29:24,748 --> 02:29:26,707
Yeah, I think it's worth it.

1924
02:29:32,088 --> 02:29:35,549
I promised you a three-hour heads up.
Here it is.

1925
02:29:35,634 --> 02:29:39,136
Have a camera crew standing by
in Helena, Montana, on Tuesday,

1926
02:29:39,220 --> 02:29:40,971
and I'll give you a three-hour head start.

1927
02:29:41,056 --> 02:29:44,475
All right? By the way, that was
a hell of a good show tonight.

1928
02:29:44,559 --> 02:29:46,435
-Thank you, BiII.
-Yeah.

1929
02:30:05,955 --> 02:30:07,873
You won.

1930
02:30:09,250 --> 02:30:10,668
Yeah.

1931
02:30:14,547 --> 02:30:16,465
What did I win?

1932
02:30:20,095 --> 02:30:23,055
MAN ON TV: Reporting from CBS News
world headquarters in New York,

1933
02:30:23,139 --> 02:30:24,181
good afternoon.

1934
02:30:24,265 --> 02:30:27,184
There has been a major break in
the case of the so-called Unabomber.

1935
02:30:27,268 --> 02:30:29,687
CBS News has learned
that a remote homesite

1936
02:30:29,771 --> 02:30:31,730
outside of LincoIn, Montana,

1937
02:30:31,815 --> 02:30:34,692
has been under FBl surveillance
for several weeks.

1938
02:30:37,112 --> 02:30:38,612
WOMAN: Great, Lowell.

1939
02:30:47,455 --> 02:30:49,373
Thanks for this.

1940
02:30:50,250 --> 02:30:54,169
You know, we beat everybody.
ABC, NBC, CNN.

1941
02:30:58,466 --> 02:30:59,883
Mike.

1942
02:31:07,225 --> 02:31:10,978
That Canada story still interest you?

1943
02:31:11,563 --> 02:31:13,313
Everything interests me.

1944
02:31:15,984 --> 02:31:17,484
I quit, Mike.

1945
02:31:20,613 --> 02:31:22,030
Bullshit.

1946
02:31:24,033 --> 02:31:27,494
Come on. It all worked out.

1947
02:31:28,830 --> 02:31:31,081
You came out okay in the end.

1948
02:31:32,167 --> 02:31:33,542
I did?

1949
02:31:33,626 --> 02:31:37,087
What do I tell a source
on the next tough story?

1950
02:31:37,172 --> 02:31:40,382
"Hang in with us. You'll be fine. Maybe."

1951
02:31:40,467 --> 02:31:42,092
No.

1952
02:31:43,303 --> 02:31:47,681
What got broken here
doesn't go back together again.

1953
02:31:54,189 --> 02:31:55,522
So, uh...

1954
02:34:19,584 --> 02:34:23,003
(WOMAN VOCALIZING)

1955
02:37:10,671 --> 02:37:12,589
(MUSIC ENDS)