1 00:00:01,244 --> 00:00:02,945 >>> DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO 2 00:00:02,945 --> 00:00:05,448 YOU THAT YOUR SON WOULD BE 3 00:00:05,448 --> 00:00:07,016 COMMITTING A BURGLARY? 4 00:00:07,016 --> 00:00:09,152 >> AHMAUD WASN'T BURGLARIZING 5 00:00:09,152 --> 00:00:10,052 ANYTHING. 6 00:00:10,052 --> 00:00:13,322 HE WAS JUST RUNNING. 7 00:00:13,322 --> 00:00:14,157 I HAVE BEEN TOLD LIES. 8 00:00:14,157 --> 00:00:15,758 >> AND NOW THE VERDICT IS IN. 9 00:00:15,758 --> 00:00:17,427 >> I UNDERSTAND YOU REACHED A 10 00:00:17,427 --> 00:00:18,060 VERDICT. 11 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:20,930 >> THE MURDER OF AHMAUD ARBERY 12 00:00:20,930 --> 00:00:21,464 SHOCKED THE NATION. 13 00:00:21,464 --> 00:00:23,733 >> THERE'S SO MUCH MORE TO THIS 14 00:00:23,733 --> 00:00:24,934 STORY THAT YOU NEVER HEARD 15 00:00:24,934 --> 00:00:25,401 BEFORE. 16 00:00:25,401 --> 00:00:28,104 >> GREG McMICHAEL AND TRAVIS 17 00:00:28,104 --> 00:00:29,639 McMICHAEL CHASED THIS YOUNG MAN 18 00:00:29,639 --> 00:00:30,106 IN THE STREET AND HUNTED HIM 19 00:00:30,106 --> 00:00:37,079 DOWN AND SHOT HIM. 20 00:00:37,079 --> 00:00:39,382 >> AS SOON AS HE SAYS THAT, THEY 21 00:00:39,382 --> 00:00:41,284 BEGIN TO TAKE EVERYTHING THAT HE 22 00:00:41,284 --> 00:00:42,718 SAYS AT FACE VALUE. 23 00:00:42,718 --> 00:00:44,754 >> NO, NO, NO, NO. 24 00:00:44,754 --> 00:00:46,789 WHY WOULD HE BE IN CUFFS? 25 00:00:46,789 --> 00:00:48,858 >> THE VIDEO CHANGES EVERYTHING. 26 00:00:48,858 --> 00:00:50,326 >> JUST 36 SECOND OF GRAINY 27 00:00:50,326 --> 00:00:50,860 VIDEO. 28 00:00:50,860 --> 00:00:53,663 >> YOU'RE NOW DEALING WITH THE 29 00:00:53,663 --> 00:00:54,831 WHOLE WORLD WATCHING. 30 00:00:54,831 --> 00:00:57,166 >> I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT ELSE I 31 00:00:57,166 --> 00:00:57,733 COULD DO. 32 00:00:57,733 --> 00:00:58,634 I JUST SHOT A MAN. 33 00:00:58,634 --> 00:01:01,337 >> ANYBODY WHO SAW THAT VIDEO, 34 00:01:01,337 --> 00:01:03,206 THEIR REACTION WAS, GOOD GOD, 35 00:01:03,206 --> 00:01:04,207 THIS IS A LYNCHING. 36 00:01:04,207 --> 00:01:05,308 >> DID YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD 37 00:01:05,308 --> 00:01:07,076 BE ABLE TO GET JUSTICE AS A 38 00:01:07,076 --> 00:01:09,045 BLACK WOMAN IN A SMALL GEORGIA 39 00:01:09,045 --> 00:01:09,245 TOWN? 40 00:01:09,245 --> 00:01:10,213 >> I PROMISED HIM I WOULD FIND 41 00:01:10,213 --> 00:01:37,707 OUT WHAT HAPPENED. 42 00:01:37,707 --> 00:01:38,774 >>> AHMAUD WOULD GO OUT RUNNING, 43 00:01:38,774 --> 00:01:42,478 JOGGING EVERY DAY. 44 00:01:42,478 --> 00:01:43,513 >> HE JUST LOVED RUNNING PAST 45 00:01:43,513 --> 00:01:44,580 THE OAK TREES AND THE PINE 46 00:01:44,580 --> 00:01:48,284 TREES. 47 00:01:48,284 --> 00:01:48,784 >> HE LIKED IT BECAUSE IT WAS 48 00:01:48,784 --> 00:01:50,386 PEACEFUL. 49 00:01:50,386 --> 00:01:53,022 HE WAS AT HOME WHEN HE RAN. 50 00:01:53,022 --> 00:01:54,090 >> HE JUST LOVED SMELLING THE 51 00:01:54,090 --> 00:01:57,260 SEA SALT AS HE RAN. 52 00:01:57,260 --> 00:01:58,861 >> IF IT WASN'T DRENCHING IN 53 00:01:58,861 --> 00:02:07,837 RAIN, AHMAUD WOULD BE RUNNING. 54 00:02:07,837 --> 00:02:12,608 >> AHMAUD ARBERY WAS 55 00:02:12,608 --> 00:02:14,176 WANDA COOPER‐JONES' AND 56 00:02:14,176 --> 00:02:15,778 MARCUS ARBERY SR.'S THIRD CHILD. 57 00:02:15,778 --> 00:02:17,813 THEY HAD AN OLDER SON, 58 00:02:17,813 --> 00:02:19,382 MARCUS JR., AND THEY ALSO HAD A 59 00:02:19,382 --> 00:02:20,983 DAUGHTER, JASMINE. 60 00:02:20,983 --> 00:02:23,619 >> AHMAUD WAS THE BABY. 61 00:02:23,619 --> 00:02:28,925 I HAD AHMAUD ON MOTHER'S DAY. 62 00:02:28,925 --> 00:02:30,493 I KNEW AHMAUD WOULD BE THE LAST 63 00:02:30,493 --> 00:02:32,628 ONE, SO I CHERISHED AHMAUD. 64 00:02:32,628 --> 00:02:33,663 >> AND HE WAS YOUR MOTHER'S DAY 65 00:02:33,663 --> 00:02:34,196 GIFT. 66 00:02:34,196 --> 00:02:35,765 >> YES. 67 00:02:35,765 --> 00:02:36,832 WE SHARED A VERY SPECIAL BOND. 68 00:02:36,832 --> 00:02:37,900 AHMAUD WAS THE KID THAT WOULD 69 00:02:37,900 --> 00:02:38,968 COME IN AND GIVE ME A KISS ON 70 00:02:38,968 --> 00:02:40,002 THE CHEEK OR JUST COME IN AND 71 00:02:40,002 --> 00:02:43,205 GIVE ME A HUG AROUND THE NECK. 72 00:02:43,205 --> 00:02:44,240 >> AIN'T A DAY PASS BY HE AIN'T 73 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:44,774 GONNA TELL YOU THAT HE LOVED 74 00:02:44,774 --> 00:02:45,308 YOU. 75 00:02:45,308 --> 00:02:46,909 AND HE DIDN'T JUST TELL YOU 76 00:02:46,909 --> 00:02:47,944 THAT, HE SHOWED THAT. 77 00:02:47,944 --> 00:02:49,011 >> HE WAS A FUNNY GUY, ALWAYS 78 00:02:49,011 --> 00:02:50,613 WANTING TO KEEP PEOPLE LAUGHING. 79 00:02:50,613 --> 00:02:52,181 WE'D ALL BE JOKED OUT, AND HE 80 00:02:52,181 --> 00:02:54,283 GOING TO BE RIGHT IN THE CENTER 81 00:02:54,283 --> 00:02:54,850 OF IT, MAKING US LAUGH. 82 00:02:54,850 --> 00:02:55,885 >> RIGHT OR WRONG, IF YOU HIS 83 00:02:55,885 --> 00:02:56,419 FAMILY, HE GOING TO STICK WITH 84 00:02:56,419 --> 00:02:58,087 YOU, BESIDE YOU. 85 00:02:58,087 --> 00:02:59,188 HE WAS A GREAT KID. 86 00:02:59,188 --> 00:03:00,256 >> WHEN HE KNEW I WAS HAVING A 87 00:03:00,256 --> 00:03:01,290 BAD DAY, HE WOULD COME IN AND 88 00:03:01,290 --> 00:03:02,358 SAY SOMETHING THAT HE THOUGHT 89 00:03:02,358 --> 00:03:03,960 WAS FUNNY TO GET ME TO SMILE. 90 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,528 HIS GOAL WAS TO MAKE ME HAPPY, 91 00:03:05,528 --> 00:03:11,767 AND HE DID THAT. 92 00:03:11,767 --> 00:03:12,234 YOU DON'T TAKE ANY TIME FOR 93 00:03:12,234 --> 00:03:13,336 GRANTED AT THIS POINT. 94 00:03:13,336 --> 00:03:13,836 >> LIFE WAS PRETTY TOUGH FOR 95 00:03:13,836 --> 00:03:19,442 WANDA. 96 00:03:19,442 --> 00:03:20,042 RAISING THREE CHILDREN AND OFTEN 97 00:03:20,042 --> 00:03:23,245 WORKING TWO JOBS. 98 00:03:23,245 --> 00:03:24,313 >> I CONSTANTLY ASKED HER, WAS 99 00:03:24,313 --> 00:03:26,415 BEING A MOM TO THREE AND RAISING 100 00:03:26,415 --> 00:03:26,949 THEM ON YOUR OWN, WAS IT TIRING? 101 00:03:26,949 --> 00:03:29,752 SHE WOULD TELL ME ALL THE TIME, 102 00:03:29,752 --> 00:03:30,353 IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST ROLES SHE 103 00:03:30,353 --> 00:03:34,657 EVER PLAYED. 104 00:03:34,657 --> 00:03:36,225 >> THE FAMILY LIVED IN 105 00:03:36,225 --> 00:03:37,793 BRUNSWICK, A SMALL TOWN IN THE 106 00:03:37,793 --> 00:03:39,929 SOUTHEAST CORNER OF GEORGIA. 107 00:03:39,929 --> 00:03:43,633 >> BRUNSWICK IS AN IDYLLIC TOWN 108 00:03:43,633 --> 00:03:44,700 IF YOU WANT TO LIVE NEAR WATER 109 00:03:44,700 --> 00:03:46,268 AND OFF THE COAST. 110 00:03:46,268 --> 00:03:47,870 >> IT'S VERY TROPICAL. 111 00:03:47,870 --> 00:03:48,904 YOU GOT THREE ISLANDS THAT ARE 112 00:03:48,904 --> 00:03:53,676 NEARBY. 113 00:03:53,676 --> 00:03:54,210 >> THERE'S ONLY A LITTLE MORE 114 00:03:54,210 --> 00:03:56,312 THAN 16,000 PEOPLE IN BRUNSWICK. 115 00:03:56,312 --> 00:04:00,082 SO IT IS A SMALL SOUTHERN TOWN. 116 00:04:00,082 --> 00:04:00,916 ♪ ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR ♪ 117 00:04:00,916 --> 00:04:02,485 >> AHMAUD WASN'T JUST A CASUAL 118 00:04:02,485 --> 00:04:03,552 RUNNER, HE WAS A NATURAL BORN 119 00:04:03,552 --> 00:04:04,620 ATHLETE. 120 00:04:04,620 --> 00:04:07,790 HE LOVED SPORTS. 121 00:04:07,790 --> 00:04:09,392 BASKETBALL, BOXING. 122 00:04:09,392 --> 00:04:10,426 >> BUT I THINK AHMAUD'S 123 00:04:10,426 --> 00:04:12,261 PARTICULAR LOVE OF FOOTBALL WAS 124 00:04:12,261 --> 00:04:13,429 SOMETHING THAT WAS 125 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:15,898 EXTRAORDINARY. 126 00:04:15,898 --> 00:04:17,967 >> AHMAUD STARTED PLAYING 127 00:04:17,967 --> 00:04:21,671 FOOTBALL WHEN HE WAS ABOUT 5. 128 00:04:21,671 --> 00:04:24,306 >> IT'S THE SOUTH, SO SPORTS IN 129 00:04:24,306 --> 00:04:26,409 THE SOUTH IS CRAZY. 130 00:04:26,409 --> 00:04:29,245 >> JUST LISTEN TO THIS ENERGY 131 00:04:29,245 --> 00:04:29,745 AT THE FOOTBALL STADIUM WHERE 132 00:04:29,745 --> 00:04:33,349 AHMAUD ONCE PLAYED. 133 00:04:33,349 --> 00:04:35,651 >> YOU GO TO A HIGH SCHOOL GAME 134 00:04:35,651 --> 00:04:37,687 RIGHT NOW, THE WHOLE CITY COME 135 00:04:37,687 --> 00:04:38,220 OUT. 136 00:04:38,220 --> 00:04:40,322 FOOTBALL IS VERY IMPORTANT DOWN 137 00:04:40,322 --> 00:04:42,825 THERE. 138 00:04:42,825 --> 00:04:48,130 >> THERE'S NOTHING LIKE IT. 139 00:04:48,130 --> 00:04:49,732 >> AT BRUNSWICK HIGH, AHMAUD WAS 140 00:04:49,732 --> 00:04:50,766 KNOWN AS A HARD HITTER AND A 141 00:04:50,766 --> 00:04:53,436 MIGHTY LINEBACKER. 142 00:04:53,436 --> 00:04:55,004 >> ONCE THEY PUT HIM IN THE 143 00:04:55,004 --> 00:04:58,174 GAME, HIS HEART OVERTOOK IT. 144 00:04:58,174 --> 00:04:58,708 AND IT REALLY SCARED ME 'CAUSE 145 00:04:58,708 --> 00:05:00,843 HE WASN'T THAT BIG. 146 00:05:00,843 --> 00:05:03,446 BUT WHEN I SEEN HIM PLAY I SAY, 147 00:05:03,446 --> 00:05:03,846 WOW, HIS HEART IS BIGGER THAN 148 00:05:03,846 --> 00:05:09,185 HIS SIZE. 149 00:05:09,185 --> 00:05:11,821 >> A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE WHO 150 00:05:11,821 --> 00:05:13,923 HAVE LESS OPPORTUNITY SEE SPORTS 151 00:05:13,923 --> 00:05:18,694 AS A WAY TO ACHIEVE NOT ONLY 152 00:05:18,694 --> 00:05:19,762 MATERIAL SUCCESS, BUT ALSO, 153 00:05:19,762 --> 00:05:20,796 I THINK, TO HAVE A SENSE OF 154 00:05:20,796 --> 00:05:24,366 IDENTITY. 155 00:05:24,366 --> 00:05:25,835 AND THE ADD RATION OF THE PEOPLE 156 00:05:25,835 --> 00:05:26,135 THAT YOU GREW UP WITH. 157 00:05:26,135 --> 00:05:26,669 >> IT'S A PATH TO SOMETHING 158 00:05:26,669 --> 00:05:27,737 DIFFERENT AND PEACE. 159 00:05:27,737 --> 00:05:28,270 IT'S A WAY TO LET YOURSELF BE 160 00:05:28,270 --> 00:05:31,807 FREE. 161 00:05:31,807 --> 00:05:33,442 >> HE WAS ON A MISSION. 162 00:05:33,442 --> 00:05:33,976 HE KNEW WHAT HE WANTED OUT OF 163 00:05:33,976 --> 00:05:35,044 LIFE. 164 00:05:35,044 --> 00:05:36,645 >> HE WANTED TO BUY A PLOT OF 165 00:05:36,645 --> 00:05:37,680 LAND AND BUILD HOUSES WITH HIM 166 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:38,214 AND HIS BEST FRIEND SO THEY 167 00:05:38,214 --> 00:05:39,281 COULD ALL LIVE CLOSE TOGETHER 168 00:05:39,281 --> 00:05:40,316 AND RAISE THEIR FAMILIES 169 00:05:40,316 --> 00:05:42,451 TOGETHER. 170 00:05:42,451 --> 00:05:46,655 >> AS KIDS, AHMAUD AND HIS OLDER 171 00:05:46,655 --> 00:05:52,128 BROTHER, MARCUS JR., WOULD 172 00:05:52,128 --> 00:05:53,829 FANTASIZE WHAT LIFE WOULD BE 173 00:05:53,829 --> 00:05:54,930 LIKE OUTSIDE OF BRUNSWICK. 174 00:05:54,930 --> 00:05:57,566 >> EVERYDAY, WE DREAMED ABOUT 175 00:05:57,566 --> 00:05:58,634 PLAYING IN THE NFL. 176 00:05:58,634 --> 00:06:01,270 >> THEY WANTED ONE OF THEM TO 177 00:06:01,270 --> 00:06:01,771 SIGN A BIG, HUGE, MULTIMILLION 178 00:06:01,771 --> 00:06:04,740 DOLLAR NFL CONTRACT. 179 00:06:04,740 --> 00:06:06,442 >> ONE OF US HAD TO GO TO THE 180 00:06:06,442 --> 00:06:06,642 NFL. 181 00:06:06,642 --> 00:06:08,711 ONE OF US HAD TO MAKE MAMA RICH. 182 00:06:08,711 --> 00:06:09,779 >> AND THEY WERE GONNA BUY WANDA 183 00:06:09,779 --> 00:06:10,846 A NICE, BIG HOUSE. 184 00:06:10,846 --> 00:06:11,347 >> THIS WASN'T EXACTLY A 185 00:06:11,347 --> 00:06:13,482 FAR‐FETCHED DREAM. 186 00:06:13,482 --> 00:06:14,550 THREE FORMER PLAYERS FROM THE 187 00:06:14,550 --> 00:06:16,118 BRUNSWICK PIRATES ACTUALLY WENT 188 00:06:16,118 --> 00:06:17,119 ON TO PLAY FOR THE NFL, 189 00:06:17,119 --> 00:06:17,653 INCLUDING AHMAUD'S COUSIN 190 00:06:17,653 --> 00:06:17,953 TRACY WALKER, WHO PLAYS FOR THE 191 00:06:17,953 --> 00:06:19,989 DETROIT LIONS. 192 00:06:19,989 --> 00:06:24,527 >> INTERCEPTED BY TRACY WALKER. 193 00:06:24,527 --> 00:06:27,596 >> AND DARIUS SLAY III, WHO 194 00:06:27,596 --> 00:06:29,398 PLAYS FOR THE PHILADELPHIA 195 00:06:29,398 --> 00:06:30,099 EAGLES. 196 00:06:30,099 --> 00:06:33,736 >> INTERCEPTED, DERRIUS SLAY. 197 00:06:33,736 --> 00:06:34,670 SLAY HAS DONE IT AGAIN! 198 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:35,738 >> WHILE DARIUS AND TRACY WENT 199 00:06:35,738 --> 00:06:36,806 ON TO PLAY COLLEGE FOOTBALL AND 200 00:06:36,806 --> 00:06:37,306 ULTIMATELY THE NFL, IT DIDN'T 201 00:06:37,306 --> 00:06:38,374 HAPPEN FOR AHMAUD. 202 00:06:38,374 --> 00:06:38,908 >> WHEN HE FINISHED HIGH SCHOOL, 203 00:06:38,908 --> 00:06:39,975 HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY COLLEGE 204 00:06:39,975 --> 00:06:41,544 FOOTBALL OFFERS. 205 00:06:41,544 --> 00:06:43,145 >> HE WAS A SMALL LINEBACKER. 206 00:06:43,145 --> 00:06:44,213 AND THE COLLEGES JUST DIDN'T 207 00:06:44,213 --> 00:06:45,281 WANT SOMEONE THAT SIZE PLAYING 208 00:06:45,281 --> 00:06:47,883 THAT POSITION. 209 00:06:47,883 --> 00:06:51,487 >> I TOLD HIM, YOU YOUNG. 210 00:06:51,487 --> 00:06:52,488 YOU STILL GOT A CHANCE TO DO 211 00:06:52,488 --> 00:06:54,123 ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD YOU WANT. 212 00:06:54,123 --> 00:06:54,623 >> AFTER GRADUATION, AHMAUD 213 00:06:54,623 --> 00:06:57,760 MOVED OUT AND WENT TO TECHNICAL 214 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:58,494 COLLEGE. 215 00:06:58,494 --> 00:07:00,262 HE WAS HOPING TO BECOME AN 216 00:07:00,262 --> 00:07:03,199 ELECTRICIAN. 217 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:03,699 >> ONCE THE DREAM OF FOOTBALL 218 00:07:03,699 --> 00:07:06,368 FADED, IT WAS HARDER TO FOCUS ON 219 00:07:06,368 --> 00:07:07,436 SCHOOL, SO HE CAME HOME AND HE 220 00:07:07,436 --> 00:07:07,970 STARTED WORKING. 221 00:07:07,970 --> 00:07:09,004 AND I THINK HE WAS REALLY TRYING 222 00:07:09,004 --> 00:07:10,072 TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE HE WAS 223 00:07:10,072 --> 00:07:11,640 GOING TO DO WITH HIS LIFE. 224 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:12,708 >> SO, HE EVENTUALLY LEFT 225 00:07:12,708 --> 00:07:13,776 COLLEGE AND CAME BACK HOME TO 226 00:07:13,776 --> 00:07:15,344 LIVE WITH YOUR MOM. 227 00:07:15,344 --> 00:07:17,413 WHY DIDN'T HE GO BACK? 228 00:07:17,413 --> 00:07:21,116 >> A CHANGE OF THOUGHT MAYBE. 229 00:07:21,116 --> 00:07:22,151 MAYBE, THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANT 230 00:07:22,151 --> 00:07:23,219 TO DO. 231 00:07:23,219 --> 00:07:24,286 AND HE STARTED WORKING AND 232 00:07:24,286 --> 00:07:25,354 MAKING A LIVING FOR HIMSELF. 233 00:07:25,354 --> 00:07:26,922 I GUESS HE GOT USED TO MAKING 234 00:07:26,922 --> 00:07:27,990 MONEY AND TIRED OF BEING A BROKE 235 00:07:27,990 --> 00:07:29,558 COLLEGE STUDENT. 236 00:07:29,558 --> 00:07:31,160 >> WAS HE SORT OF THE MAN OF THE 237 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,228 HOUSE IN SOME WAYS? 238 00:07:32,228 --> 00:07:34,864 >> HE WAS. 239 00:07:34,864 --> 00:07:40,169 AHMAUD HELPED ME IN SO MANY 240 00:07:40,169 --> 00:07:40,669 WAYS, NOT AS FAR AS FINANCIALLY 241 00:07:40,669 --> 00:07:42,271 BUT EMOTIONALLY AS WELL. 242 00:07:42,271 --> 00:07:42,805 AHMAUD DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH 243 00:07:42,805 --> 00:07:43,873 I WAS ACTUALLY DEPENDING ON HIM 244 00:07:43,873 --> 00:07:50,212 AT THAT POINT. 245 00:07:50,212 --> 00:07:50,746 >> I MET HIM AT MY FIRST JOB. 246 00:07:50,746 --> 00:07:55,484 IT WAS AT MCDONALD'S. 247 00:07:55,484 --> 00:07:56,552 HE HAD LIKE THIS SMOOTH SKIN, 248 00:07:56,552 --> 00:07:58,687 THIS NICE SMILE. 249 00:07:58,687 --> 00:07:59,755 WE COMPLEMENTED EACH OTHER. 250 00:07:59,755 --> 00:08:02,358 >> HE LOVED HIS GIRLFRIEND. 251 00:08:02,358 --> 00:08:03,425 HE WAS REALLY SHY WHEN HE FIRST 252 00:08:03,425 --> 00:08:03,959 MET HER. 253 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:05,027 >> WE LITERALLY JUST CLICKED. 254 00:08:05,027 --> 00:08:06,061 HE PLAYED SPORTS, I PLAYED 255 00:08:06,061 --> 00:08:07,162 SPORTS. 256 00:08:07,162 --> 00:08:07,663 HE'D COME TO MY HOUSE. 257 00:08:07,663 --> 00:08:08,731 WE'RE WORKING OUT TOGETHER. 258 00:08:08,731 --> 00:08:09,265 WE'RE EATING TOGETHER. 259 00:08:09,265 --> 00:08:10,332 WE'RE LOOKING AT MOVIES 260 00:08:10,332 --> 00:08:11,367 TOGETHER. 261 00:08:11,367 --> 00:08:12,434 MY FRIENDS COULD NEVER CATCH ME 262 00:08:12,434 --> 00:08:12,968 AT THAT POINT. 263 00:08:12,968 --> 00:08:14,536 LIKE, THEY KNEW WHEN I WAS WITH 264 00:08:14,536 --> 00:08:15,070 AHMAUD, THERE WAS JUST NO WAY, 265 00:08:15,070 --> 00:08:16,138 SHENICE IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE AT 266 00:08:16,138 --> 00:08:19,441 THAT POINT. 267 00:08:19,441 --> 00:08:20,643 >> LATER INTO THEIR 268 00:08:20,643 --> 00:08:22,444 RELATIONSHIP, HE LOVED HER SO 269 00:08:22,444 --> 00:08:23,779 MUCH HE WOULD RECORD THEIR PHONE 270 00:08:23,779 --> 00:08:24,179 CALLS JUST SO HE COULD LISTEN TO 271 00:08:24,179 --> 00:08:26,849 HER VOICE. 272 00:08:26,849 --> 00:08:27,950 >> WANDA BECAME CONCERNED AFTER 273 00:08:27,950 --> 00:08:28,984 HER SON DROPPED OUT OF COLLEGE 274 00:08:28,984 --> 00:08:30,552 AND CAME BACK HOME. 275 00:08:30,552 --> 00:08:31,620 THERE WERE CHANGES IN HIS 276 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:33,222 BEHAVIOR. 277 00:08:33,222 --> 00:08:34,790 HE'S NOW AT HOME. 278 00:08:34,790 --> 00:08:39,561 WAS HE STRUGGLING WITH THAT 279 00:08:39,561 --> 00:08:40,095 DECISION AND WHERE HE WAS IN HIS 280 00:08:40,095 --> 00:08:41,163 LIFE? 281 00:08:41,163 --> 00:08:43,799 >> RETURNING HOME AT THAT AGE 282 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:44,333 AFTER BEING AWAY, I THINK IT DID 283 00:08:44,333 --> 00:08:45,401 TAKE A TOLL ON HIM. 284 00:08:45,401 --> 00:08:47,503 >> WHEN AHMAUD CAME HOME AND 285 00:08:47,503 --> 00:08:49,104 WENT TO A HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL 286 00:08:49,104 --> 00:08:50,673 GAME, HE HAD A FIREARM ON HIM. 287 00:08:50,673 --> 00:08:53,309 HE WAS ARRESTED. 288 00:08:53,309 --> 00:08:58,614 >> AFTER AHMAUD WAS CAUGHT WITH 289 00:08:58,614 --> 00:09:01,817 THAT GUN, HE WAS PUT ON 290 00:09:01,817 --> 00:09:02,318 PROBATION AND LATER ARRESTED A 291 00:09:02,318 --> 00:09:03,385 SECOND TIME FOR SHOPLIFTING. 292 00:09:03,385 --> 00:09:03,919 >> MY BROTHER WAS NO ANGEL, BUT 293 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:05,521 HE WAS MY ANGEL. 294 00:09:05,521 --> 00:09:11,327 >> HE MADE MISTAKES, LIKE 295 00:09:11,327 --> 00:09:11,827 EVERYONE DOES, AND I THINK WAS 296 00:09:11,827 --> 00:09:12,895 TRYING TO GET HIS LIFE BACK ON 297 00:09:12,895 --> 00:09:13,429 TRACK. 298 00:09:13,429 --> 00:09:16,065 HE WAS NOT SENT TO JAIL. 299 00:09:16,065 --> 00:09:16,465 AHMAUD'S CRIMES WERE NOT VIOLENT 300 00:09:16,465 --> 00:09:18,000 CRIMES. 301 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,203 >> WANDA NOTICED THAT HER 302 00:09:21,203 --> 00:09:21,737 YOUNGEST SON DIDN'T SEEM TO BE 303 00:09:21,737 --> 00:09:25,975 HIMSELF. 304 00:09:25,975 --> 00:09:26,475 >> I WAS CONCERNED BECAUSE HE 305 00:09:26,475 --> 00:09:28,077 HAD LOST HIS MOTIVATION. 306 00:09:28,077 --> 00:09:28,444 HE WASN'T TALKING AS MUCH. 307 00:09:28,444 --> 00:09:30,512 I JUST HAD CONCERNS AS A MOTHER. 308 00:09:30,512 --> 00:09:33,549 AND MY JOB AS MOM WAS TO STICK 309 00:09:33,549 --> 00:09:34,049 BESIDE HIM. 310 00:09:34,049 --> 00:09:36,218 >> DID YOU LOSE FAITH IN HIM? 311 00:09:36,218 --> 00:09:38,053 >> NO, MA'AM. 312 00:09:38,053 --> 00:09:40,189 AHMAUD WAS THE BABY. 313 00:09:40,189 --> 00:09:41,890 AHMAUD WAS STILL MY SON. 314 00:09:41,890 --> 00:09:43,959 AHMAUD WAS STILL A BROTHER. 315 00:09:43,959 --> 00:09:44,493 NO. 316 00:09:44,493 --> 00:09:46,762 NEVER. 317 00:09:46,762 --> 00:09:47,796 MY CELL PHONE RANG. 318 00:09:47,796 --> 00:09:48,864 WHEN I HEARD GLYNN COUNTY POLICE 319 00:09:48,864 --> 00:09:49,398 DEPARTMENT, I KNEW IT WAS 320 00:09:49,398 --> 00:09:51,000 SOMETHING WRONG. 321 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:58,007 HOW WRONG IT WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW. 322 00:10:08,050 --> 00:10:10,686 >>> I HAD TRAVELED TO DALLAS 323 00:10:10,686 --> 00:10:13,856 FOR SOME TRAINING, AND WHEN I 324 00:10:13,856 --> 00:10:16,892 LEFT AHMAUD, I WENT TO HIS ROOM. 325 00:10:16,892 --> 00:10:18,961 I TOLD AHMAUD I WAS LEAVING. 326 00:10:18,961 --> 00:10:20,329 I SAID, I'LL BE BACK IN A COUPLE 327 00:10:20,329 --> 00:10:24,600 OF DAYS. 328 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,735 I LEFT AND I SAID, I LOVE YOU. 329 00:10:26,735 --> 00:10:27,770 AND HIS LAST WORDS TO ME WAS, 330 00:10:27,770 --> 00:10:30,439 I LOVE YOU. 331 00:10:30,439 --> 00:10:30,973 >> FOUR DAYS LATER, WHEN SHE'S 332 00:10:30,973 --> 00:10:34,777 ON HER WAY HOME FROM TEXAS, 333 00:10:34,777 --> 00:10:35,177 WANDA GETS A PHONE CALL FROM THE 334 00:10:35,177 --> 00:10:36,812 LOCAL POLICE. 335 00:10:36,812 --> 00:10:37,346 >> HE SAID AHMAUD WAS COMMITTING 336 00:10:37,346 --> 00:10:41,550 A BURGLARY. 337 00:10:41,550 --> 00:10:44,186 HE WAS CONFRONTED, AND IN THAT 338 00:10:44,186 --> 00:10:45,254 CONFRONTATION, THERE WAS A 339 00:10:45,254 --> 00:10:45,788 STRUGGLE OVER THE FIREARM AND 340 00:10:45,788 --> 00:10:48,957 AHMAUD WAS KILLED. 341 00:10:48,957 --> 00:10:50,459 >> DID THAT MAKE ANY SENSE TO 342 00:10:50,459 --> 00:10:51,527 YOU THAT YOUR SON WOULD BE 343 00:10:51,527 --> 00:10:53,095 COMMITTING A BURGLARY? 344 00:10:53,095 --> 00:10:55,864 >> NO MA'AM. 345 00:10:55,864 --> 00:11:00,135 NO SENSE AT ALL. 346 00:11:00,135 --> 00:11:01,703 >> SHE WAS UNWILLING TO ACCEPT 347 00:11:01,703 --> 00:11:03,272 THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE SHE 348 00:11:03,272 --> 00:11:04,873 KNEW THAT WHAT SHE WAS BEING 349 00:11:04,873 --> 00:11:05,941 TOLD WAS NOT THE CHARACTER OF 350 00:11:05,941 --> 00:11:08,043 HER SON. 351 00:11:08,043 --> 00:11:09,111 >> THAT'S NOT HIM. 352 00:11:09,111 --> 00:11:11,246 I KNEW THAT WASN'T HIM. 353 00:11:11,246 --> 00:11:12,281 >> SO, NOBODY WAS SATISFIED WITH 354 00:11:12,281 --> 00:11:13,849 THIS IDEA THAT HE WAS SHOT AND 355 00:11:13,849 --> 00:11:14,383 KILLED DURING A BURGLARY? 356 00:11:14,383 --> 00:11:15,984 >> NO. 357 00:11:15,984 --> 00:11:22,558 MY BROTHER WAS ONE OF 358 00:11:22,558 --> 00:11:23,358 THE TRUST WORTHIEST PEOPLE THAT 359 00:11:23,358 --> 00:11:24,993 I KNOW. 360 00:11:24,993 --> 00:11:26,028 I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT. 361 00:11:26,028 --> 00:11:27,096 I REMEMBER PICKING OUT A CASKET 362 00:11:27,096 --> 00:11:31,333 FOR MY LITTLE BROTHER. 363 00:11:31,333 --> 00:11:35,003 WHAT HE WOULD WEAR, WHAT WOULD 364 00:11:35,003 --> 00:11:37,139 BE IN HIS OBITUARY, THINGS LIKE 365 00:11:37,139 --> 00:11:38,207 THAT. 366 00:11:38,207 --> 00:11:38,740 I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE DOING 367 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:42,945 AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE. 368 00:11:42,945 --> 00:11:47,182 >> AS A YOUNG MOM, I USED TO SAY 369 00:11:47,182 --> 00:11:47,716 I COULDN'T ‐‐ I DIDN'T IMAGINE 370 00:11:47,716 --> 00:11:51,386 LIFE WITHOUT MY CHILDREN. 371 00:11:51,386 --> 00:11:54,022 AND NOW THAT THAT DAY HAD CAME. 372 00:11:54,022 --> 00:11:55,090 IT WAS ONE OF THE HARDEST DAYS 373 00:11:55,090 --> 00:12:01,263 OF MY LIFE. 374 00:12:01,263 --> 00:12:03,832 I REALLY LIKE THIS WREATH 375 00:12:03,832 --> 00:12:07,302 BECAUSE IT HAS HIS NAME 376 00:12:07,302 --> 00:12:08,370 EMBROIDERED ON IT. 377 00:12:08,370 --> 00:12:09,438 >> YOU SAID SOMETHING TO YOUR 378 00:12:09,438 --> 00:12:09,972 SON AT THE FUNERAL. 379 00:12:09,972 --> 00:12:11,039 >> I PROMISED HIM THAT I WOULD 380 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:12,074 FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED. 381 00:12:12,074 --> 00:12:13,675 THEY HAD TOLD ME THAT HE HAD 382 00:12:13,675 --> 00:12:14,743 BURGLARIZED SOMETHING, AND I 383 00:12:14,743 --> 00:12:17,880 KNOW THAT HE HADN'T DID THAT. 384 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,947 AND AHMAUD KNEW THE TYPE OF MOM 385 00:12:18,947 --> 00:12:22,117 I WAS. 386 00:12:22,117 --> 00:12:24,253 I WAS GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT 387 00:12:24,253 --> 00:12:25,287 HAPPENED. 388 00:12:25,287 --> 00:12:26,355 HE KNEW THAT. 389 00:12:26,355 --> 00:12:27,422 >> THE DAY THAT WE LAID AHMAUD 390 00:12:27,422 --> 00:12:31,093 TO REST, THOSE WERE HER LAST 391 00:12:31,093 --> 00:12:34,997 WORDS TO HIM ‐‐ WE'RE GOING TO 392 00:12:34,997 --> 00:12:35,297 FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED, WE'RE 393 00:12:35,297 --> 00:12:36,899 GOING TO GET JUSTICE. 394 00:12:36,899 --> 00:12:37,966 >> SHE SAID IT OVER AND OVER 395 00:12:37,966 --> 00:12:40,536 AGAIN. 396 00:12:40,536 --> 00:12:41,970 SHE WAS GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT 397 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:42,104 HAPPENED. 398 00:12:42,104 --> 00:12:43,472 SHE WAS GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT 399 00:12:43,472 --> 00:12:44,006 HAPPENED. 400 00:12:44,006 --> 00:12:45,974 AND SHE IS. 401 00:12:45,974 --> 00:12:46,508 >> WE LAID HIM TO REST ON THAT 402 00:12:46,508 --> 00:12:49,144 SATURDAY. 403 00:12:49,144 --> 00:12:52,247 AND THAT MONDAY MORNING WHEN I 404 00:12:52,247 --> 00:12:53,282 WOKE UP, I SAID, NOW IT'S TIME, 405 00:12:53,282 --> 00:12:59,121 IT'S TIME TO FIND ANSWERS. 406 00:12:59,121 --> 00:13:00,722 >> AHMAUD DIED IN A QUIET 407 00:13:00,722 --> 00:13:02,791 SUBDIVISION OF BRUNSWICK CALLED 408 00:13:02,791 --> 00:13:07,563 SATILLA SHORES. 409 00:13:07,563 --> 00:13:09,131 ACCORDING TO THE GLYNN COUNTY 410 00:13:09,131 --> 00:13:10,732 POLICE REPORT, 34‐YEAR‐OLD 411 00:13:10,732 --> 00:13:13,368 TRAVIS McMICHAEL AND HIS FATHER 412 00:13:13,368 --> 00:13:14,436 GREGORY HAD SEEN AHMAUD RUNNING 413 00:13:14,436 --> 00:13:17,606 THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. 414 00:13:17,606 --> 00:13:19,208 SO THEY BEGAN CHASING HIM 415 00:13:19,208 --> 00:13:21,810 IN THEIR WHITE PICK‐UP TRUCK. 416 00:13:21,810 --> 00:13:24,479 >> THEY SAW AHMAUD RUNNING, 417 00:13:24,479 --> 00:13:27,115 THEY GRABBED THE GUNS, AND THEY 418 00:13:27,115 --> 00:13:28,150 RAN BEHIND HIM. 419 00:13:28,150 --> 00:13:30,285 >> THEY ADMITTED TO TARGETING 420 00:13:30,285 --> 00:13:31,320 HER SON BECAUSE HE LOOKED 421 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,989 SUSPICIOUS. 422 00:13:33,989 --> 00:13:35,057 >> WHAT ARE YOU NOW BEGINNING TO 423 00:13:35,057 --> 00:13:39,795 THINK? 424 00:13:39,795 --> 00:13:41,897 >> THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD LIES. 425 00:13:41,897 --> 00:13:42,965 WHAT I WAS TOLD BY THE DETECTIVE 426 00:13:42,965 --> 00:13:44,333 WAS ALL WRONG. 427 00:13:44,333 --> 00:13:46,535 POLICE REPORT WAS TOTALLY 428 00:13:46,535 --> 00:13:49,871 DIFFERENT. 429 00:13:49,871 --> 00:13:50,405 AHMAUD WASN'T BURGLARIZING 430 00:13:50,405 --> 00:13:51,473 ANYTHING. 431 00:13:51,473 --> 00:13:54,076 AHMAUD WAS JUST RUNNING. 432 00:13:54,076 --> 00:13:56,211 >> AND GREG McMICHAEL AND 433 00:13:56,211 --> 00:13:58,847 TRAVIS McMICHAEL CHASED THIS 434 00:13:58,847 --> 00:14:03,585 YOUNG MAN IN THE STREET. 435 00:14:03,585 --> 00:14:04,119 AND HUNTED HIM DOWN. 436 00:14:04,119 --> 00:14:08,357 AND SHOT HIM. 437 00:14:08,357 --> 00:14:09,424 >> IN THE GLYNN COUNTY POLICE 438 00:14:09,424 --> 00:14:12,127 REPORT, WANDA LEARNS MORE 439 00:14:12,127 --> 00:14:15,330 ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THAT DAY. 440 00:14:15,330 --> 00:14:16,965 >> TRAVIS McMICHAEL SHOT AHMAUD 441 00:14:16,965 --> 00:14:18,066 ARBERY THREE TIMES AT CLOSE 442 00:14:18,066 --> 00:14:23,138 RANGE WITH A SHOTGUN. 443 00:14:23,138 --> 00:14:28,176 >> SIX SEVEN. 444 00:14:28,176 --> 00:14:28,710 >> ALL RIGHT, GUYS, EVERYBODY'S 445 00:14:28,710 --> 00:14:29,745 GOT THEIR WEAPONS UP, CORRECT? 446 00:14:29,745 --> 00:14:30,812 >> EVERYONE'S GOT THEIR WEAPONS. 447 00:14:30,812 --> 00:14:31,847 >> OKAY. 448 00:14:31,847 --> 00:14:33,448 >> WHILE AHMAUD LAY DYING IN THE 449 00:14:33,448 --> 00:14:33,982 STREETS WITH TRAVIS McMICHAEL 450 00:14:33,982 --> 00:14:35,550 LITERALLY COVERED IN 451 00:14:35,550 --> 00:14:38,186 AHMAUD ARBERY'S BLOOD ‐‐ 452 00:14:38,186 --> 00:14:38,720 >> BLACK MALE. 453 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,856 MIDDLE OF THE ROADWAY. 454 00:14:40,856 --> 00:14:41,890 LOOKS LIKE ABOUT MID‐20s. 455 00:14:41,890 --> 00:14:42,958 >> LAW ENFORCEMENT BEGAN THEIR 456 00:14:42,958 --> 00:14:43,492 INVESTIGATION. 457 00:14:43,492 --> 00:14:47,195 >> WHEN POLICE ARRIVED ON THE 458 00:14:47,195 --> 00:14:48,797 SCENE INSIDE SATILLA SHORES THAT 459 00:14:48,797 --> 00:14:49,765 DAY, GREG McMICHAEL WAS ALMOST 460 00:14:49,765 --> 00:14:50,299 ANIMATED IN DESCRIBING WHAT HAD 461 00:14:50,299 --> 00:14:51,366 HAPPENED. 462 00:14:51,366 --> 00:14:51,900 >> WE SEE HIM COME ROUND THE 463 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:54,002 CORNER. 464 00:14:54,002 --> 00:14:54,536 HE'S GOING DOWN HERE. 465 00:14:54,536 --> 00:14:57,406 WE PULL UP BESIDE HIM. 466 00:14:57,406 --> 00:14:57,472 HEY, STOP. 467 00:14:57,472 --> 00:14:59,107 STOP, WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU. 468 00:14:59,107 --> 00:14:59,641 AND HE JUST KEEPS ON RUNNING. 469 00:14:59,641 --> 00:15:01,743 >> TRAVIS McMICHAEL, WHO HAD 470 00:15:01,743 --> 00:15:02,811 FIRED THE FATAL SHOTS, WAS, YOU 471 00:15:02,811 --> 00:15:03,845 KNOW, MUCH MORE SUBDUED. 472 00:15:03,845 --> 00:15:04,379 HE WAS SITTING ON THE CURB. 473 00:15:04,379 --> 00:15:04,913 >> JUST BREATHE, OKAY? 474 00:15:04,913 --> 00:15:07,015 >> AHMAUD'S BODY WAS LESS THAN 475 00:15:07,015 --> 00:15:11,253 10 FEET AWAY. 476 00:15:11,253 --> 00:15:12,287 >> AND THEN THAT'S MY FATHER. 477 00:15:12,287 --> 00:15:13,355 HE WAS WITH ME WITH THIS WHOLE 478 00:15:13,355 --> 00:15:16,024 THING. 479 00:15:16,024 --> 00:15:17,059 >> GREG McMICHAEL ESTABLISHED 480 00:15:17,059 --> 00:15:18,126 THE NARRATIVE. 481 00:15:18,126 --> 00:15:19,194 HE SAID AHMAUD ATTACKED HIS SON 482 00:15:19,194 --> 00:15:19,695 AND TRAVIS HAD ACTED IN 483 00:15:19,695 --> 00:15:21,830 SELF‐DEFENSE. 484 00:15:21,830 --> 00:15:25,534 AND GREG McMICHAEL TELLS THE 485 00:15:25,534 --> 00:15:27,102 OFFICERS THAT, I WOULD HAVE SHOT 486 00:15:27,102 --> 00:15:32,240 HIM MYSELF IF I HAD TO. 487 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,043 >> IF I COULD HAVE GOT A SHOT AT 488 00:15:35,043 --> 00:15:36,244 THE GUY I WOULD HAVE SHOT HIM 489 00:15:36,244 --> 00:15:36,678 MYSELF. 490 00:15:36,678 --> 00:15:38,647 >> WHEN THE POLICE ARRIVE AFTER 491 00:15:38,647 --> 00:15:39,715 AHMAUD IS SHOT, 492 00:15:39,715 --> 00:15:40,248 GREGORY McMICHAEL TALKS ABOUT 493 00:15:40,248 --> 00:15:41,316 HIS LONG HISTORY OF BEING IN THE 494 00:15:41,316 --> 00:15:41,817 LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY. 495 00:15:41,817 --> 00:15:42,884 >> AND SO I GRAB MY .357 MAGNUM. 496 00:15:42,884 --> 00:15:43,418 IT'S AN OLD GLYNN COUNTY PD 497 00:15:43,418 --> 00:15:44,486 ISSUE, BY THE WAY, WHEN I WAS A 498 00:15:44,486 --> 00:15:45,554 COP. 499 00:15:45,554 --> 00:15:46,054 >> THAT HE'S JUST BASICALLY ONE 500 00:15:46,054 --> 00:15:48,890 OF THEM. 501 00:15:48,890 --> 00:15:51,226 >> I WAS A CHIEF INVESTIGATOR 502 00:15:51,226 --> 00:15:52,260 WITH THE D. A.'S OFFICE FOR 33 503 00:15:52,260 --> 00:15:52,594 YEARS. 504 00:15:52,594 --> 00:15:54,830 >> GREG McMICHAEL WAS FORMERLY A 505 00:15:54,830 --> 00:15:55,864 POLICE OFFICER AND THEN HE WENT 506 00:15:55,864 --> 00:15:56,398 TO WORK FOR THE DISTRICT 507 00:15:56,398 --> 00:15:59,034 ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 508 00:15:59,034 --> 00:16:00,102 >> AS SOON AS HE SAYS THAT, THEY 509 00:16:00,102 --> 00:16:01,169 DROP THEIR GUARD AND BEGIN TO 510 00:16:01,169 --> 00:16:02,237 GIVE HIM PROFESSIONAL COURTESY. 511 00:16:02,237 --> 00:16:03,271 THEY DON'T LOOK AT HIM AS 512 00:16:03,271 --> 00:16:04,306 SOMEONE WHO'S PERPETRATED 513 00:16:04,306 --> 00:16:05,374 POSSIBLY A CRIME. 514 00:16:05,374 --> 00:16:06,441 THEY BEGIN TO LOOK AT HIM AS A 515 00:16:06,441 --> 00:16:08,009 COLLEAGUE. 516 00:16:08,009 --> 00:16:08,543 AND THEY BEGIN TO TAKE 517 00:16:08,543 --> 00:16:09,611 EVERYTHING THAT HE SAYS AT FACE 518 00:16:09,611 --> 00:16:12,647 VALUE. 519 00:16:12,647 --> 00:16:14,916 >> YEAH, IT WAS ALL ‐‐ IT WAS 520 00:16:14,916 --> 00:16:16,551 JUST A DAMN MELEE. 521 00:16:16,551 --> 00:16:17,619 >> THEY ACCEPTED EVERYTHING HE 522 00:16:17,619 --> 00:16:18,653 HAD TO SAY AS GOSPEL. 523 00:16:18,653 --> 00:16:19,721 >> WHAT ARE THEY DOING WITH MY 524 00:16:19,721 --> 00:16:20,756 SON OVER THERE? 525 00:16:20,756 --> 00:16:21,823 >> I DON'T KNOW, SIR. 526 00:16:21,823 --> 00:16:23,392 >> AFTER THE SHOOTING OCCURS, 527 00:16:23,392 --> 00:16:24,993 GREGORY McMICHAEL CALLS HIS 528 00:16:24,993 --> 00:16:27,629 FORMER BOSS, JACKIE JOHNSON. 529 00:16:27,629 --> 00:16:28,697 >> JACKIE JOHNSON WAS THE LONG 530 00:16:28,697 --> 00:16:30,265 TIME DISTRICT ATTORNEY DOWN IN 531 00:16:30,265 --> 00:16:32,901 BRUNSWICK. 532 00:16:32,901 --> 00:16:35,036 >> JACKIE, THIS IS GREG. 533 00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:36,071 CAN YOU CALL ME AS SOON AS YOU 534 00:16:36,071 --> 00:16:40,308 POSSIBLY CAN? 535 00:16:40,308 --> 00:16:42,444 UM, MY SON AND I HAVE BEEN 536 00:16:42,444 --> 00:16:42,978 INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING, AND I 537 00:16:42,978 --> 00:16:44,546 NEED SOME ADVICE RIGHT AWAY. 538 00:16:44,546 --> 00:16:45,614 COULD YOU PLEASE CALL ME AS SOON 539 00:16:45,614 --> 00:16:46,114 AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN? 540 00:16:46,114 --> 00:16:47,182 THANK YOU. 541 00:16:47,182 --> 00:16:48,250 BYE. 542 00:16:48,250 --> 00:16:49,751 >> GREG McMICHAEL CALLS HIS 543 00:16:49,751 --> 00:16:52,954 FORMER BOSS, DISTRICT ATTORNEY 544 00:16:52,954 --> 00:16:53,989 JACKIE JOHNSON, SAYING, I'VE 545 00:16:53,989 --> 00:16:54,523 BEEN INVOLVED IN A SHOOTING. 546 00:16:54,523 --> 00:16:55,590 I NEED SOME ADVICE. 547 00:16:55,590 --> 00:16:56,625 PLEASE CALL ME. 548 00:16:56,625 --> 00:16:58,226 WE DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THEY 549 00:16:58,226 --> 00:16:59,261 EVER ACTUALLY CONNECTED AND 550 00:16:59,261 --> 00:17:00,328 TALKED. 551 00:17:00,328 --> 00:17:01,396 THERE'S NOTHING IN THE RECORDS 552 00:17:01,396 --> 00:17:02,464 THAT THEY ACTUALLY TALKED IN 553 00:17:02,464 --> 00:17:05,634 PERSON. 554 00:17:05,634 --> 00:17:06,701 >> JACKIE JOHNSON TOLD LAW 555 00:17:06,701 --> 00:17:08,270 ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT DAY 556 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:09,871 THAT THEY SHOULD NOT ARREST 557 00:17:09,871 --> 00:17:13,275 TRAVIS McMICHAEL. 558 00:17:13,275 --> 00:17:16,144 FOR THE MURDER OF AHMAUD ARBERY. 559 00:17:16,144 --> 00:17:18,213 >> SO, THE PROCESS WAS 560 00:17:18,213 --> 00:17:19,648 INFLUENCED BY PERSONS THAT HAD 561 00:17:19,648 --> 00:17:20,749 RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE 562 00:17:20,749 --> 00:17:22,784 McMICHAELS. 563 00:17:22,784 --> 00:17:23,351 >> THE McMICHAELS ARE BROUGHT 564 00:17:23,351 --> 00:17:25,987 DOWN TO THE POLICE STATION, 565 00:17:25,987 --> 00:17:27,022 INTERVIEWED, AND RELEASED. 566 00:17:27,022 --> 00:17:28,089 >> THERE WERE NO ARRESTS. 567 00:17:28,089 --> 00:17:28,623 IT WAS AS IF THERE HAD BEEN A 568 00:17:28,623 --> 00:17:30,725 TRAFFIC ACCIDENT. 569 00:17:30,725 --> 00:17:31,793 AND AFTER QUESTIONING, 570 00:17:31,793 --> 00:17:32,294 GREG McMICHAEL AND 571 00:17:32,294 --> 00:17:37,065 TRAVIS McMICHAEL WENT HOME. 572 00:17:37,065 --> 00:17:38,133 >> IT'S A STORY ABOUT POWER 573 00:17:38,133 --> 00:17:40,268 REALLY IN A SMALL GEORGIA TOWN. 574 00:17:40,268 --> 00:17:40,802 IT'S WHO YOU KNEW AND WHO YOU 575 00:17:40,802 --> 00:17:45,540 DIDN'T KNOW. 576 00:17:45,540 --> 00:17:46,041 >> DID YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD 577 00:17:46,041 --> 00:17:47,642 BE ABLE TO GET JUSTICE AS A 578 00:17:47,642 --> 00:17:48,710 BLACK WOMAN IN A SMALL GEORGIA 579 00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:49,711 TOWN? 580 00:17:49,711 --> 00:17:51,279 >> I KNEW THE ODDS OF GETTING 581 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:51,780 JUSTICE FOR AHMAUD WAS NOT ON MY 582 00:17:51,780 --> 00:17:56,017 SIDE. 583 00:17:56,017 --> 00:17:59,754 I KNEW THAT AHMAUD WAS KILLED ON 584 00:17:59,754 --> 00:18:00,789 A SUNNY SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND NO 585 00:18:00,789 --> 00:18:03,992 ONE WENT TO JAIL. 586 00:18:12,767 --> 00:18:13,301 >>> I WENT TO BRUNSWICK. 587 00:18:13,301 --> 00:18:17,506 I VISITED WHERE AHMAUD FELL. 588 00:18:17,506 --> 00:18:20,141 I WOULD GO THERE AND SIT THERE 589 00:18:20,141 --> 00:18:21,743 JUST TO HAVE THAT CONNECTION ON 590 00:18:21,743 --> 00:18:28,083 WHERE HE TOOK HIS LAST BREATH. 591 00:18:28,083 --> 00:18:31,253 I THOUGHT AHMAUD WAS JUST 592 00:18:31,253 --> 00:18:31,786 RUNNING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. 593 00:18:31,786 --> 00:18:33,355 I HAD NO IDEA THAT HE HAD 594 00:18:33,355 --> 00:18:37,025 VENTURED OUT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD 595 00:18:37,025 --> 00:18:39,628 ACROSS THE HIGHWAY. 596 00:18:39,628 --> 00:18:41,196 >> THERE'S A HIGHWAY THAT CUTS 597 00:18:41,196 --> 00:18:42,797 THROUGH BRUNSWICK THAT TAKES 598 00:18:42,797 --> 00:18:43,865 VACATIONERS OFF TO PRETTY 599 00:18:43,865 --> 00:18:48,603 BEACHES. 600 00:18:48,603 --> 00:18:51,239 >> INTERSTATE 17 WORKS AS A KIND 601 00:18:51,239 --> 00:18:53,875 OF DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN 602 00:18:53,875 --> 00:18:58,647 BRUNSWICK AND SATILLA SHORES. 603 00:18:58,647 --> 00:19:01,283 THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON THE 604 00:19:01,283 --> 00:19:02,350 SATILLA SHORES SIDE ARE MORE 605 00:19:02,350 --> 00:19:04,986 AFFLUENT. 606 00:19:04,986 --> 00:19:06,054 THEY HAVE BETTER SCHOOLS, BETTER 607 00:19:06,054 --> 00:19:11,326 HOUSING. 608 00:19:11,326 --> 00:19:15,030 THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON AHMAUD'S 609 00:19:15,030 --> 00:19:16,598 SIDE OF INTERSTATE 17 ARE, FOR 610 00:19:16,598 --> 00:19:21,303 THE MOST PART, IMPOVERISHED. 611 00:19:21,303 --> 00:19:23,939 AND SO YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT IT 612 00:19:23,939 --> 00:19:27,642 FEELS LIKE TO BE SEPARATED FROM 613 00:19:27,642 --> 00:19:28,176 ANOTHER WAY OF LIFE AND NOT BY A 614 00:19:28,176 --> 00:19:29,744 LOT OF DISTANCE. 615 00:19:29,744 --> 00:19:31,846 AND I THINK THAT HAD SOMETHING 616 00:19:31,846 --> 00:19:33,982 TO DO WITH WHY AHMAUD WOULD RUN 617 00:19:33,982 --> 00:19:36,618 ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INTERSTATE 618 00:19:36,618 --> 00:19:38,720 17, BE ABLE TO SEE ANOTHER WAY 619 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:45,060 OF LIFE, IMAGINE IT FOR HIMSELF. 620 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:48,229 >> WANDA LIVED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD 621 00:19:48,229 --> 00:19:50,332 WITH MIXED NATIONALITIES. 622 00:19:50,332 --> 00:19:52,968 AND SHE SAID THAT HE WAS SAFE 623 00:19:52,968 --> 00:19:54,035 UNTIL HE CROSSED THE ROAD INTO 624 00:19:54,035 --> 00:19:56,671 THE WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD. 625 00:19:56,671 --> 00:19:58,239 >> WAS THERE A RACIAL DIVIDE? 626 00:19:58,239 --> 00:19:59,307 WAS HE RUNNING IN THE WHITE 627 00:19:59,307 --> 00:20:00,909 SECTION OF TOWN? 628 00:20:00,909 --> 00:20:05,113 >> HE WAS. 629 00:20:05,113 --> 00:20:07,782 IF I WOULD HAVE KNOWN, I WOULD 630 00:20:07,782 --> 00:20:08,283 HAVE ASKED HIM TO STOP, BECAUSE 631 00:20:08,283 --> 00:20:09,351 I KNEW IT WASN'T SAFE. 632 00:20:09,351 --> 00:20:10,418 I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF 633 00:20:10,418 --> 00:20:16,224 GLYNN COUNTY SINCE I WAS LIKE 634 00:20:16,224 --> 00:20:16,725 18, SO I KNOW THAT THAT STUFF IS 635 00:20:16,725 --> 00:20:18,793 THERE. 636 00:20:18,793 --> 00:20:19,928 >> WHEN YOU SAY THAT STUFF, 637 00:20:19,928 --> 00:20:20,695 WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 638 00:20:20,695 --> 00:20:22,931 >> THE PREJUDICE AND THE RACISM. 639 00:20:22,931 --> 00:20:23,999 >> IN ORDER TO GET TO 640 00:20:23,999 --> 00:20:27,168 SATILLA SHORES FROM HIS 641 00:20:27,168 --> 00:20:30,338 NEIGHBORHOOD, AHMAUD HAD TO RUN 642 00:20:30,338 --> 00:20:31,406 BY RESIDENCES THAT HAD 643 00:20:31,406 --> 00:20:32,474 CONFEDERATE FLAGS FLYING OUT 644 00:20:32,474 --> 00:20:35,644 FRONT. 645 00:20:35,644 --> 00:20:36,177 >> I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT, OH 646 00:20:36,177 --> 00:20:36,678 BOY, RACIAL PROFILING DOES 647 00:20:36,678 --> 00:20:40,415 HAPPEN HERE. 648 00:20:40,415 --> 00:20:43,585 AND I'VE EXPERIENCED IT MYSELF. 649 00:20:43,585 --> 00:20:46,221 AND I'M A PASTOR. 650 00:20:46,221 --> 00:20:47,255 IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT DOES 651 00:20:47,255 --> 00:20:54,663 HAPPEN. 652 00:20:54,663 --> 00:20:57,465 >> A LOT OF PEOPLE CLASSIFIED 653 00:20:57,465 --> 00:21:00,435 THIS CASE AS AHMAUD ARBERY WAS 654 00:21:00,435 --> 00:21:00,935 GUILTY OF ONE THING, RUNNING 655 00:21:00,935 --> 00:21:06,374 WHILE BLACK. 656 00:21:06,374 --> 00:21:11,112 >> THIS IS A STORY ABOUT POWER, 657 00:21:11,112 --> 00:21:12,714 REALLY. 658 00:21:12,714 --> 00:21:13,782 IN A SMALL GEORGIA TOWN, IT'S 659 00:21:13,782 --> 00:21:15,350 WHO YOU KNEW AND WHO YOU DIDN'T 660 00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:16,418 KNOW, AND AHMAUD ARBERY'S MOTHER 661 00:21:16,418 --> 00:21:17,452 HAD NO CONNECTIONS, DIDN'T KNOW 662 00:21:17,452 --> 00:21:18,453 ANYBODY. 663 00:21:18,453 --> 00:21:19,521 >> I KNEW THAT I HAD TO DO 664 00:21:19,521 --> 00:21:20,588 SOMETHING, BECAUSE I WAS BEING 665 00:21:20,588 --> 00:21:22,157 IGNORED. 666 00:21:22,157 --> 00:21:23,758 DAYS AND WEEKS HAD PASSED, AND 667 00:21:23,758 --> 00:21:25,860 THESE PEOPLE WERE STILL FREE. 668 00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:32,834 >> TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOUR SON 669 00:21:32,834 --> 00:21:33,935 BEING MURDERED, AND THEN 670 00:21:33,935 --> 00:21:36,071 NOBODY'S ARRESTED ‐‐ NO JUSTICE. 671 00:21:36,071 --> 00:21:37,138 >> THEY ABSOLUTELY 672 00:21:37,138 --> 00:21:37,672 UNDERESTIMATED 673 00:21:37,672 --> 00:21:39,240 WANDA COOPER‐JONES. 674 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,944 >> SHE WAS DOGGED IN HER PURSUIT 675 00:21:42,944 --> 00:21:44,012 OF THE TRUTH IN THIS CASE. 676 00:21:44,012 --> 00:21:47,716 >> THEY THOUGHT THAT ONE SINGLE 677 00:21:47,716 --> 00:21:48,783 BLACK WOMAN WAS NOT GOING TO BE 678 00:21:48,783 --> 00:21:49,317 AS DISRUPTIVE AS SHE ULTIMATELY 679 00:21:49,317 --> 00:21:51,953 PROVED TO BE. 680 00:21:51,953 --> 00:21:54,055 >> THERE WAS CLEARLY SOME 681 00:21:54,055 --> 00:21:55,657 CONFLICTS RIGHT AWAY. 682 00:21:55,657 --> 00:21:57,225 >> JACKIE JOHNSON IMMEDIATELY 683 00:21:57,225 --> 00:21:59,360 RECOGNIZED SHE HAD A PROBLEM, 684 00:21:59,360 --> 00:21:59,894 BECAUSE GREG McMICHAEL HAD 685 00:21:59,894 --> 00:22:04,566 WORKED FOR HER. 686 00:22:04,566 --> 00:22:10,038 >> GLYNN COUNTY DISTRICT 687 00:22:10,038 --> 00:22:12,373 ATTORNEY JACKIE JOHNSON 688 00:22:12,373 --> 00:22:12,907 RECUSED HERSELF AFTER THE 689 00:22:12,907 --> 00:22:14,476 SHOOTING HAPPENED. 690 00:22:14,476 --> 00:22:15,543 A DISTRICT ATTORNEY FROM A 691 00:22:15,543 --> 00:22:16,611 NEIGHBORING AREA, 692 00:22:16,611 --> 00:22:17,112 GEORGE BARNHILL, PICKS UP THE 693 00:22:17,112 --> 00:22:18,113 CASE. 694 00:22:18,113 --> 00:22:18,646 >> GEORGE BARNHILL IS ANOTHER 695 00:22:18,646 --> 00:22:19,681 LONGTIME DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN 696 00:22:19,681 --> 00:22:22,317 SOUTH GEORGIA. 697 00:22:22,317 --> 00:22:22,851 >> BASICALLY I WAS HOPING THAT 698 00:22:22,851 --> 00:22:23,918 THE DA WOULD CALL ME AND TELL ME 699 00:22:23,918 --> 00:22:24,986 THAT HE HAD INDICTMENTS FOR 700 00:22:24,986 --> 00:22:26,054 ARREST. 701 00:22:26,054 --> 00:22:27,088 SO, THAT WAS MY PRAYER. 702 00:22:27,088 --> 00:22:28,156 >> AT THE SAME TIME, THE COUNTRY 703 00:22:28,156 --> 00:22:29,224 WAS FINDING OUT ABOUT THIS COVID 704 00:22:29,224 --> 00:22:30,792 OUTBREAK. 705 00:22:30,792 --> 00:22:32,927 AND SO YOU HAD A LOCAL TRAGEDY 706 00:22:32,927 --> 00:22:33,962 TAKING PLACE, BUT THEN YOU HAD 707 00:22:33,962 --> 00:22:35,563 A NATIONAL, GLOBAL TRAGEDY THAT 708 00:22:35,563 --> 00:22:37,665 WAS TAKING PLACE. 709 00:22:37,665 --> 00:22:42,437 AND I THINK IT WAS PUSHED ASIDE. 710 00:22:42,437 --> 00:22:44,539 >> SO SHE STARTS DIGGING INTO 711 00:22:44,539 --> 00:22:45,607 THIS HERSELF, JUST BY GOOGLING. 712 00:22:45,607 --> 00:22:46,674 SHE DIDN'T HAVE A LAWYER. 713 00:22:46,674 --> 00:22:48,276 SHE DIDN'T HAVE INVESTIGATORS. 714 00:22:48,276 --> 00:22:50,912 SHE WENT OUT, SHE GOOGLED. 715 00:22:50,912 --> 00:22:51,446 >> SO, I TURNED INTO AN 716 00:22:51,446 --> 00:22:53,047 INVESTIGATOR. 717 00:22:53,047 --> 00:22:54,082 >> WANDA SAYS SHE FOUND A 718 00:22:54,082 --> 00:22:55,683 CONNECTION BETWEEN 719 00:22:55,683 --> 00:22:57,252 GREG McMICHAEL AND 720 00:22:57,252 --> 00:22:59,387 GEORGE BARNHILL ON SOCIAL MEDIA. 721 00:22:59,387 --> 00:23:04,659 >> I WENT TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND 722 00:23:04,659 --> 00:23:05,193 FOUND GREGORY McMICHAEL AND HIS 723 00:23:05,193 --> 00:23:07,295 FRIEND NAMED GEORGE BARNHILL. 724 00:23:07,295 --> 00:23:07,829 >> THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY. 725 00:23:07,829 --> 00:23:10,999 >> YES. 726 00:23:10,999 --> 00:23:13,134 SO THEN WHEN I WENT TO 727 00:23:13,134 --> 00:23:14,169 MR. BARNHILL'S PAGE, I SAW HE 728 00:23:14,169 --> 00:23:16,304 HAD A SON. 729 00:23:16,304 --> 00:23:17,338 >> SHE FINDS OUT THAT 730 00:23:17,338 --> 00:23:20,441 GEORGE BARNHILL'S SON WORKS FOR 731 00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:21,509 THE D. A. IN GLYNN COUNTY, WHERE 732 00:23:21,509 --> 00:23:22,577 GREG McMICHAEL HAD WORKED ALL 733 00:23:22,577 --> 00:23:26,548 THOSE YEARS. 734 00:23:26,548 --> 00:23:29,284 >> THE NEW D. A. HAD PERSONAL 735 00:23:29,284 --> 00:23:31,686 CONNECTIONS AND TIES WITH BOTH 736 00:23:31,686 --> 00:23:32,887 JACKIE JOHNSON AND THE 737 00:23:32,887 --> 00:23:35,056 McMICHAELS THEMSELVES. 738 00:23:35,056 --> 00:23:36,124 >> SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE DIDN'T 739 00:23:36,124 --> 00:23:37,158 THINK IT WAS RIGHT FOR THE CASE 740 00:23:37,158 --> 00:23:39,260 TO GO TO HIM. 741 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:40,862 AND SHE WAS ON THE PHONE CALLING 742 00:23:40,862 --> 00:23:41,896 THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. 743 00:23:41,896 --> 00:23:42,430 SHE WAS CALLING ANYBODY WHO 744 00:23:42,430 --> 00:23:46,134 WOULD LISTEN. 745 00:23:46,134 --> 00:23:46,668 >> EVERY MORNING, I WAKE UP AND 746 00:23:46,668 --> 00:23:47,735 MAKE A PHONE CALL, AND NO ONE 747 00:23:47,735 --> 00:23:50,371 WOULD RETURN MY PHONE CALLS. 748 00:23:50,371 --> 00:23:53,007 >> I COULDN'T IMAGINE WHAT SHE 749 00:23:53,007 --> 00:23:54,042 FELT LIKE AS A MOTHER AND HAVING 750 00:23:54,042 --> 00:23:55,109 DOOR AFTER DOOR SLAMMED IN YOUR 751 00:23:55,109 --> 00:23:56,177 FACE. 752 00:23:56,177 --> 00:23:57,212 BUT SHE KEPT ON PURSUING. 753 00:23:57,212 --> 00:24:00,915 SHE KEPT ON DIGGING. 754 00:24:00,915 --> 00:24:03,551 >> WANDA'S TIRELESS EFFORTS 755 00:24:03,551 --> 00:24:05,687 EVENTUALLY YIELDED RESULTS. 756 00:24:05,687 --> 00:24:07,255 >> GEORGE BARNHILL WILL RECUSE 757 00:24:07,255 --> 00:24:13,094 HIMSELF FROM THE CASE BECAUSE 758 00:24:13,094 --> 00:24:14,128 OF WANDA COOPER‐JONES BEATING 759 00:24:14,128 --> 00:24:14,662 THE DRUM THAT, YOU KNOW, 760 00:24:14,662 --> 00:24:16,764 SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT HERE. 761 00:24:16,764 --> 00:24:17,298 >> SO THAT WAS LIKE A SMALL 762 00:24:17,298 --> 00:24:19,868 VICTORY. 763 00:24:19,868 --> 00:24:20,935 >> IN RECUSING HIMSELF, D. A. 764 00:24:20,935 --> 00:24:21,970 BARNHILL DENIED ANY ALLEGATIONS 765 00:24:21,970 --> 00:24:25,673 OF BIAS. 766 00:24:25,673 --> 00:24:27,275 >> BUT HE MADE SURE BEFORE HE 767 00:24:27,275 --> 00:24:28,343 LEFT TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE 768 00:24:28,343 --> 00:24:30,979 GLYNN COUNTY POLICE SAYING, 769 00:24:30,979 --> 00:24:32,547 THIS IS SELF‐DEFENSE. 770 00:24:32,547 --> 00:24:36,184 NO CRIMINAL CHARGES WARRANTED. 771 00:24:36,184 --> 00:24:37,652 NOTHING TO SEE HERE, IS 772 00:24:37,652 --> 00:24:39,254 BASICALLY THE TENOR OF THE 773 00:24:39,254 --> 00:24:41,756 LETTER. 774 00:24:41,756 --> 00:24:42,323 >> SO HE CREATED THE FOUNDATION 775 00:24:42,323 --> 00:24:43,358 OF THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY DID 776 00:24:43,358 --> 00:24:46,527 NOTHING WRONG. 777 00:24:46,527 --> 00:24:48,129 >> IN HIS LETTER, D. A. BARNHILL 778 00:24:48,129 --> 00:24:52,901 WRITES, IT'S OUR CONCLUSION 779 00:24:52,901 --> 00:24:53,935 THAT THERE'S INSUFFICIENT 780 00:24:53,935 --> 00:24:55,003 PROBABLE CAUSE TO ISSUE ARREST 781 00:24:55,003 --> 00:24:56,070 WARRANTS AT THIS TIME. 782 00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:57,138 >> IT'S SHOCKING FOR A 783 00:24:57,138 --> 00:24:58,172 PROSECUTOR TO MAKE THAT 784 00:24:58,172 --> 00:25:02,777 STATEMENT. 785 00:25:02,777 --> 00:25:05,079 >> REALLY WHAT WANDA HAD SAID, 786 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:06,114 THAT THIS WAS BEING SWEPT UNDER 787 00:25:06,114 --> 00:25:08,116 THE RUG, IT WAS LAID BARE IN 788 00:25:08,116 --> 00:25:11,886 THAT LETTER. 789 00:25:11,886 --> 00:25:13,454 >> IT WAS THE "GET OUT OF JAIL 790 00:25:13,454 --> 00:25:14,522 FREE" CARD FOR THE McMICHAELS. 791 00:25:14,522 --> 00:25:15,556 >> THE CASE IS THEN HANDED OVER 792 00:25:15,556 --> 00:25:16,090 TO ANOTHER DISTRICT ATTORNEY, 793 00:25:16,090 --> 00:25:18,660 TOM DURDEN. 794 00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:23,398 >> TOM DURDEN, THE THIRD D. A. IN 795 00:25:23,398 --> 00:25:24,465 CHARGE IN THE CASE, WAS 796 00:25:24,465 --> 00:25:24,999 CONSIDERING CONVENING A GRAND 797 00:25:24,999 --> 00:25:26,067 JURY. 798 00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:26,601 BUT BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, THE 799 00:25:26,601 --> 00:25:28,169 COURTS IN GEORGIA WERE CLOSED. 800 00:25:28,169 --> 00:25:28,703 HOW FRUSTRATING WAS IT FOR THE 801 00:25:28,703 --> 00:25:29,771 FAMILY? 802 00:25:29,771 --> 00:25:33,474 >> IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE IS 803 00:25:33,474 --> 00:25:37,178 GOING ON WITH THEIR LIFE. 804 00:25:37,178 --> 00:25:37,679 BUT WE'RE STILL STUCK HERE AND 805 00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:39,280 WE'RE SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF 806 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:39,814 OUR LUNGS AND NOBODY'S LISTENING 807 00:25:39,814 --> 00:25:41,950 TO WHAT HAPPENED. 808 00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:43,518 >> IT HAD BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE 809 00:25:43,518 --> 00:25:47,755 HER SON'S DEATH, AND OUT OF THE 810 00:25:47,755 --> 00:25:49,557 BLUE, A "NEW YORK TIMES" 811 00:25:49,557 --> 00:25:51,092 REPORTER REACHES OUT TO WANDA 812 00:25:51,092 --> 00:25:53,261 ABOUT TELLING AHMAUD'S STORY. 813 00:25:53,261 --> 00:25:58,533 >> I TOLD HIM WHAT I WAS UP 814 00:25:58,533 --> 00:25:59,067 AGAINST, AND HE SAID, I CAN 815 00:25:59,067 --> 00:26:02,236 HELP. 816 00:26:02,236 --> 00:26:02,770 AND MS. ROBERTS, NO ONE HAD EVER 817 00:26:02,770 --> 00:26:05,373 TOLD ME THAT. 818 00:26:05,373 --> 00:26:06,541 >> IT WAS THE FIRST TIME THE 819 00:26:06,541 --> 00:26:07,642 CASE GOT ATTENTION IN THE 820 00:26:07,642 --> 00:26:09,677 NATIONAL MEDIA. 821 00:26:09,677 --> 00:26:11,913 >> HER PURSUIT OF JUSTICE PROVED 822 00:26:11,913 --> 00:26:14,682 THERE WAS MORE TO THE STORY. 823 00:26:14,682 --> 00:26:16,951 >> WHAT CAME A FEW WEEKS LATER 824 00:26:16,951 --> 00:26:19,520 WOULD SHOCK THE NATION. 825 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,724 JUST 36 SECONDS OF GRAINY VIDEO. 826 00:26:22,724 --> 00:26:26,094 SUDDENLY THE WORLD KNOWS THE 827 00:26:26,094 --> 00:26:27,895 NAME AHMAUD ARBERY. 828 00:26:27,895 --> 00:26:29,630 >> THAT WAS REALLY WHERE THE 829 00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:36,037 CASE TOOK A BIG TURN. 830 00:26:36,037 --> 00:26:37,638 >> IT WAS SICKENING. 831 00:26:37,638 --> 00:26:38,673 I CAN'T SAY THIS ANY MORE CLEAR. 832 00:26:38,673 --> 00:26:39,207 IT WAS LIKE HE WAS TREATED LIKE 833 00:26:39,207 --> 00:26:44,946 AN ANIMAL, GUNNED DOWN. 834 00:26:56,224 --> 00:26:58,359 >>> THIS MORNING THE RACE TO 835 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,627 FIND A POTENTIAL COVID‐19 836 00:26:59,627 --> 00:27:00,161 VACCINE ‐‐ 837 00:27:00,161 --> 00:27:02,764 >> THE TOTAL CASES IN THE U. S. 838 00:27:02,764 --> 00:27:04,132 AROUND 1.2 MILLION. 839 00:27:04,132 --> 00:27:04,632 >>> THE PANDEMIC WAS FULL‐BLOWN, 840 00:27:04,632 --> 00:27:05,700 AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT 841 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:07,969 SHUTDOWNS. 842 00:27:07,969 --> 00:27:09,837 >> DOZENS OF PLANTS CLOSED 843 00:27:09,837 --> 00:27:10,905 ACROSS THE COUNTRY. 844 00:27:10,905 --> 00:27:14,242 THOUSANDS OF WORKERS SICK. 845 00:27:14,242 --> 00:27:22,183 >> AND COURTS WERE CLOSED, SO 846 00:27:22,183 --> 00:27:22,683 ALL OF THAT MADE IT DIFFICULT 847 00:27:22,683 --> 00:27:23,751 FOR THIS CASE TO BREAK THROUGH. 848 00:27:23,751 --> 00:27:24,285 AND THAT IS, OF COURSE, UNTIL 849 00:27:24,285 --> 00:27:26,387 THE VIDEO CAME OUT. 850 00:27:26,387 --> 00:27:27,455 THE VIDEO CHANGED EVERYTHING. 851 00:27:27,455 --> 00:27:30,625 >> IT WAS THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY 852 00:27:30,625 --> 00:27:32,226 IN 2020, AND WGIG, A BRUNSWICK 853 00:27:32,226 --> 00:27:34,328 RADIO STATION, POSTS ON ITS 854 00:27:34,328 --> 00:27:35,930 TWITTER ACCOUNT A VIDEO OF 855 00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:37,498 AHMAUD ARBERY BEING CHASED 856 00:27:37,498 --> 00:27:38,566 THROUGH THE STREETS OF 857 00:27:38,566 --> 00:27:43,838 SATILLA SHORES. 858 00:27:43,838 --> 00:27:44,372 >> IT WAS LIKE A DREAM, A 859 00:27:44,372 --> 00:27:45,440 NIGHTMARE. 860 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,041 I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS 861 00:27:47,041 --> 00:27:52,313 HAPPENING IN OUR CITY. 862 00:27:52,313 --> 00:27:53,881 >> JUST 36 SECONDS OF GRAINY 863 00:27:53,881 --> 00:27:56,017 VIDEO SHOWING THE LAST MOMENTS 864 00:27:56,017 --> 00:28:02,423 OF AHMAUD ARBERY'S LIFE. 865 00:28:02,423 --> 00:28:06,427 >> I STILL REMEMBER THAT DAY. 866 00:28:06,427 --> 00:28:07,462 OUR LAWYER CALLED AND TOLD US TO 867 00:28:07,462 --> 00:28:08,529 GIVE A BREAK OF SOCIAL MEDIA 868 00:28:08,529 --> 00:28:09,063 TODAY. 869 00:28:09,063 --> 00:28:10,098 >> HE DIDN'T WANT YOU TO SEE 870 00:28:10,098 --> 00:28:11,165 THIS. 871 00:28:11,165 --> 00:28:11,699 >> HE DIDN'T WANT US TO SEE THE 872 00:28:11,699 --> 00:28:12,233 VIDEO. 873 00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:13,768 >> MY DAUGHTER, SHE HAD CALLED 874 00:28:13,768 --> 00:28:15,403 ME CRYING. 875 00:28:15,403 --> 00:28:15,937 IT TORE HER APART. 876 00:28:15,937 --> 00:28:19,207 IT TORE MY WHOLE FAMILY APART. 877 00:28:19,207 --> 00:28:20,475 I NEVER SEEN NOTHING LIKE THAT 878 00:28:20,475 --> 00:28:20,908 BEFORE. 879 00:28:20,908 --> 00:28:23,478 WHEN I SEEN MY KID RUNNING FOR 880 00:28:23,478 --> 00:28:26,114 HIS POOR, DEAR LIFE AND I WASN'T 881 00:28:26,114 --> 00:28:30,351 THERE TO HELP HIM, THAT THING 882 00:28:30,351 --> 00:28:31,419 REALLY TORE ME DOWN. 883 00:28:31,419 --> 00:28:33,020 >> DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? 884 00:28:33,020 --> 00:28:33,521 >> I SAW THE LAST COUPLE OF 885 00:28:33,521 --> 00:28:50,671 SECONDS. 886 00:28:50,671 --> 00:28:55,476 [ GUNSHOTS ] 887 00:28:55,476 --> 00:28:56,010 I CAN SEE AHMAUD, AND 888 00:28:56,010 --> 00:29:04,919 HE HAD TURNED TO RUN AWAY. 889 00:29:04,919 --> 00:29:05,453 AND WHAT I CARRY IS SEEING HIM 890 00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:13,194 AS HE'S FALLING. 891 00:29:13,194 --> 00:29:22,537 AND IT BREAKS MY HEART. 892 00:29:22,537 --> 00:29:23,437 >> THE McMICHAELS PERPETRATED 893 00:29:23,437 --> 00:29:25,573 ALL OF THIS. 894 00:29:25,573 --> 00:29:26,641 THEY CHASED THE YOUNG MAN. 895 00:29:26,641 --> 00:29:28,242 THEY PUT HIM IN A SITUATION 896 00:29:28,242 --> 00:29:30,578 WHERE HE FEARED FOR HIS LIFE, 897 00:29:30,578 --> 00:29:32,113 AND AS A RESULT OF FEARING FOR 898 00:29:32,113 --> 00:29:33,748 HIS LIFE, HE TRIED TO DEFEND HIS 899 00:29:33,748 --> 00:29:35,383 LIFE AND THEY SHOT HIM DEAD. 900 00:29:35,383 --> 00:29:40,121 >> ANYONE WHO SAW THAT VIDEO, 901 00:29:40,121 --> 00:29:43,090 THEIR REACTION WAS GOOD GOD, 902 00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:44,358 THIS IS A LYNCHING. 903 00:29:44,358 --> 00:29:45,993 >> A 25‐YEAR‐OLD UNARMED BLACK 904 00:29:45,993 --> 00:29:46,527 MAN WHO WAS CHASED BY TWO WHITE 905 00:29:46,527 --> 00:29:47,562 MEN AND FATALLY SHOT. 906 00:29:47,562 --> 00:29:48,095 >> NO ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE. 907 00:29:48,095 --> 00:29:48,629 THE COMMUNITY IS DEMANDING 908 00:29:48,629 --> 00:29:51,332 ANSWERS. 909 00:29:51,332 --> 00:29:53,134 >> NO JUSTICE! 910 00:29:53,134 --> 00:29:54,402 >> NO PEACE! 911 00:29:54,402 --> 00:29:56,437 >> NO JUSTICE! 912 00:29:56,437 --> 00:29:58,306 >> NO PEACE! 913 00:29:58,306 --> 00:29:58,806 >> IT WAS A STRESSFUL TIME, AND 914 00:29:58,806 --> 00:29:59,874 IT COULD OF WENT A LOT OF WAYS. 915 00:29:59,874 --> 00:30:00,942 I SAW THE CITY REALLY COME 916 00:30:00,942 --> 00:30:02,009 TOGETHER LIKE I NEVER SEEN 917 00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:03,511 BEFORE. 918 00:30:03,511 --> 00:30:04,579 OF COURSE, THERE WAS A CRISIS, 919 00:30:04,579 --> 00:30:05,112 BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE CAME 920 00:30:05,112 --> 00:30:08,249 TOGETHER. 921 00:30:08,249 --> 00:30:10,318 >> EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT 922 00:30:10,318 --> 00:30:11,385 JUSTICE, BUT IT REALLY IS JUST 923 00:30:11,385 --> 00:30:11,619 US. 924 00:30:11,619 --> 00:30:13,421 WE'RE TIRED OF IT. 925 00:30:13,421 --> 00:30:14,488 >> I THINK MOST OF OUR CITIZENS 926 00:30:14,488 --> 00:30:16,624 OF THE WHITE COMMUNITY WERE 927 00:30:16,624 --> 00:30:18,726 UNAWARE THAT THIS LEVEL OF 928 00:30:18,726 --> 00:30:19,794 INJUSTICE WAS STILL BEING 929 00:30:19,794 --> 00:30:22,964 CARRIED OUT. 930 00:30:22,964 --> 00:30:23,497 >> RUN WITH MAUD! 931 00:30:23,497 --> 00:30:27,735 RUN WITH MAUD! 932 00:30:27,735 --> 00:30:28,603 >> AND THEIR SUPPORT TO GET 933 00:30:28,603 --> 00:30:30,238 JUSTICE WAS REFRESHING. 934 00:30:30,238 --> 00:30:31,305 >> ONCE THE CELL PHONE VIDEO 935 00:30:31,305 --> 00:30:32,873 BECAME PUBLIC, IT WAS JUST A 936 00:30:32,873 --> 00:30:34,475 MATTER OF A DAY OR TWO BEFORE 937 00:30:34,475 --> 00:30:35,543 GEORGIA'S GOVERNOR, BRIAN KEMP, 938 00:30:35,543 --> 00:30:37,111 ASKED THE GEORGIA BUREAU OF 939 00:30:37,111 --> 00:30:39,981 INVESTIGATION TO TAKE OVER THE 940 00:30:39,981 --> 00:30:48,489 CASE. 941 00:30:48,489 --> 00:30:48,990 WITHIN 36 HOURS, GBI AGENTS WERE 942 00:30:48,990 --> 00:30:52,193 AT THE McMICHAELS' HOUSE, 943 00:30:52,193 --> 00:30:53,227 PUTTING HANDCUFFS ON GREG AND 944 00:30:53,227 --> 00:30:56,931 TRAVIS McMICHAEL. 945 00:30:56,931 --> 00:30:57,999 >> FATHER AND SON CAUGHT ON 946 00:30:57,999 --> 00:30:59,066 CAMERA IN THAT FATAL INCIDENT 947 00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:00,134 HAVE NOW BEEN ARRESTED AND 948 00:31:00,134 --> 00:31:13,281 CHARGED WITH MURDER. 949 00:31:13,281 --> 00:31:14,348 >> MY OLDER SON, MARCUS, CALLED, 950 00:31:14,348 --> 00:31:15,383 AND HE SAID, MAMA, THEY GOT 951 00:31:15,383 --> 00:31:16,450 THEM. 952 00:31:16,450 --> 00:31:19,253 THEY GOT THE McMICHAELS. 953 00:31:19,253 --> 00:31:22,456 >> 74 DAYS AFTER HE WAS SHOT AND 954 00:31:22,456 --> 00:31:24,558 KILLED, THE McMICHAELS ARE 955 00:31:24,558 --> 00:31:25,626 ARRESTED. 956 00:31:25,626 --> 00:31:27,194 WHAT DID THAT FEEL LIKE FOR YOU 957 00:31:27,194 --> 00:31:29,330 AFTER WORKING SO HARD? 958 00:31:29,330 --> 00:31:35,670 >> IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. 959 00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:36,203 I KNEW THAT GOD HEARD MY 960 00:31:36,203 --> 00:31:40,941 PRAYERS. 961 00:31:40,941 --> 00:31:42,543 >> THE MURDERERS OF 962 00:31:42,543 --> 00:31:44,278 AHMAUD ARBERY WAS ARRESTED. 963 00:31:44,278 --> 00:31:46,414 [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ] 964 00:31:46,414 --> 00:31:48,015 WE WILL NOT REST UNTIL THEY ARE 965 00:31:48,015 --> 00:31:56,991 CONVICTED AND BEHIND BARS. 966 00:31:56,991 --> 00:31:59,126 >> THE GEORGIA ATTORNEY GENERAL 967 00:31:59,126 --> 00:31:59,226 REPLACED THE THIRD D. A. AT HIS 968 00:31:59,226 --> 00:32:00,828 OWN REQUEST. 969 00:32:00,828 --> 00:32:01,362 >> A NEW PROSECUTOR HAS BEEN 970 00:32:01,362 --> 00:32:02,363 ASSIGNED TO THE CASE OF 971 00:32:02,363 --> 00:32:04,498 AHMAUD ARBERY. 972 00:32:04,498 --> 00:32:07,101 >> IT WAS EARLY MAY. 973 00:32:07,101 --> 00:32:12,807 I WAS APPOINTED AS THE SPECIAL 974 00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:17,378 PROSECUTOR IN THE CASE OF AHMAUD 975 00:32:17,378 --> 00:32:19,613 ARBERY'S MURDER, BEING THE 976 00:32:19,613 --> 00:32:20,281 FOURTH PROSECUTOR TO BE 977 00:32:20,281 --> 00:32:20,648 INVOLVED. 978 00:32:20,648 --> 00:32:22,416 AND THAT FAMILY IS REELING, AND 979 00:32:22,416 --> 00:32:22,650 YOU FEEL THE EMOTION OF WHAT YOU 980 00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:24,652 ARE TASKED WITH DOING. 981 00:32:24,652 --> 00:32:26,787 >> NO JUSTICE! 982 00:32:26,787 --> 00:32:27,555 >> NO PEACE. 983 00:32:27,555 --> 00:32:28,889 >> HANDS UP. 984 00:32:28,889 --> 00:32:29,223 >> DON'T SHOOT! 985 00:32:29,223 --> 00:32:30,324 >> BLACK LIVES MATTER! 986 00:32:30,324 --> 00:32:30,858 >> YOU'RE NOW DEALING WITH THE 987 00:32:30,858 --> 00:32:32,526 WHOLE WORLD WATCHING. 988 00:32:32,526 --> 00:32:33,060 LE. 989 00:32:33,060 --> 00:32:37,832 >> AFTER THE VIDEO WAS RELEASED, 990 00:32:37,832 --> 00:32:38,032 THERE WAS THIS EXAMINATION AS TO 991 00:32:38,032 --> 00:32:43,304 HOW DID ALL THESE MONTHS PASS BY 992 00:32:43,304 --> 00:32:44,905 AND THERE WAS NO PROGRESS IN THE 993 00:32:44,905 --> 00:32:46,774 INVESTIGATION INTO THIS CASE? 994 00:32:46,774 --> 00:32:48,342 >> IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT 995 00:32:48,342 --> 00:32:50,978 LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS HAD THE 996 00:32:50,978 --> 00:32:51,512 VIDEO OF THE SHOOTING FROM DAY 997 00:32:51,512 --> 00:32:55,750 ONE. 998 00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:57,318 >> IT WAS HARD TO BELIEVE THAT 999 00:32:57,318 --> 00:32:59,453 THAT VIDEO COULD BE SEEN AND 1000 00:32:59,453 --> 00:33:03,090 POLICE NOT ACTING ON IT, 1001 00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:04,158 THE PEOPLE WHO WERE MAKING THE 1002 00:33:04,158 --> 00:33:06,260 DECISION OF WHETHER OR NOT TO 1003 00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:08,629 PROSECUTE THE McMICHAELS 1004 00:33:08,629 --> 00:33:10,264 WERE NOT ACTING ON IT. 1005 00:33:10,264 --> 00:33:11,866 >> IT WAS JUST HARD FOR ME TO 1006 00:33:11,866 --> 00:33:13,467 BELIEVE THAT WE HAD ELECTED AND 1007 00:33:13,467 --> 00:33:15,569 PAID OFFICIALS THAT HAD THE 1008 00:33:15,569 --> 00:33:17,671 KNOWLEDGE OF THIS VIDEO AND 1009 00:33:17,671 --> 00:33:18,739 STILL FOUND A WAY NOT TO DO 1010 00:33:18,739 --> 00:33:23,511 THEIR JOBS. 1011 00:33:23,511 --> 00:33:24,545 >> IT IS AN AMAZING THING THAT 1012 00:33:24,545 --> 00:33:26,147 WE COULD ALL AS HUMAN BEINGS 1013 00:33:26,147 --> 00:33:27,748 LOOK AT THE SAME VIDEO AND SEE 1014 00:33:27,748 --> 00:33:33,988 SOMETHING SO DIFFERENT. 1015 00:33:33,988 --> 00:33:36,457 >> THE SOLE REASON IT BECAME 1016 00:33:36,457 --> 00:33:40,661 PUBLIC IS BECAUSE THE McMICHAELS 1017 00:33:40,661 --> 00:33:42,630 AND THEIR SUPPORTERS THOUGHT IT 1018 00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:43,664 WOULD PROVE THEIR CASE, THAT IT 1019 00:33:43,664 --> 00:33:44,365 WOULD PROVE THIS WAS 1020 00:33:44,365 --> 00:33:45,833 SELF‐DEFENSE. 1021 00:33:45,833 --> 00:33:46,333 >> THE McMICHAELS WANTED THE 1022 00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:47,401 VIDEO RELEASED. 1023 00:33:47,401 --> 00:33:48,469 >> THEY SAW IT AS EXONERATION. 1024 00:33:48,469 --> 00:33:49,537 >> THEY FELT THAT IT HELPED 1025 00:33:49,537 --> 00:33:51,639 THEIR CASE. 1026 00:33:51,639 --> 00:33:54,275 >> WHEN YOU SEE THE VIDEO, YOU 1027 00:33:54,275 --> 00:33:54,809 CONSIDER IT A VIDEO OF A MURDER 1028 00:33:54,809 --> 00:33:55,876 PERHAPS. 1029 00:33:55,876 --> 00:33:58,512 WHEN SOME PEOPLE SEE THE VIDEO, 1030 00:33:58,512 --> 00:34:00,648 THEY SEE IT AS TWO MEN TRYING TO 1031 00:34:00,648 --> 00:34:02,750 EFFECTUATE AN ARREST AND THE 1032 00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:04,852 ARRESTEE RESISTING ARREST, 1033 00:34:04,852 --> 00:34:06,954 TRYING TO THEN KILL THE 1034 00:34:06,954 --> 00:34:07,488 ARRESTORS AND SELF‐DEFENSE 1035 00:34:07,488 --> 00:34:11,725 AT HAND. 1036 00:34:11,725 --> 00:34:12,259 >> GREG McMICHAEL THOUGHT IT 1037 00:34:12,259 --> 00:34:13,294 CLEARED HIM. 1038 00:34:13,294 --> 00:34:14,895 HE THOUGHT IT TOLD HIS STORY. 1039 00:34:14,895 --> 00:34:15,429 I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S NOT 1040 00:34:15,429 --> 00:34:16,464 HOW THE REST OF THE COUNTRY SAW 1041 00:34:16,464 --> 00:34:20,167 IT. 1042 00:34:20,167 --> 00:34:21,769 >> NOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO KNOW, 1043 00:34:21,769 --> 00:34:26,006 WHO SHOT THAT VIDEO? 1044 00:34:26,006 --> 00:34:29,743 >> ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS SAW A 1045 00:34:29,743 --> 00:34:31,312 PICKUP TRUCK WITH A MAN IN IT. 1046 00:34:31,312 --> 00:34:33,948 SO I KNOW IT WAS A THIRD PARTY. 1047 00:34:33,948 --> 00:34:35,249 I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT PARTY 1048 00:34:35,249 --> 00:34:35,716 PLAYED. 1049 00:34:35,716 --> 00:34:38,519 >> A LOT OF TIMES THESE VIDEOS 1050 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,155 ARE SHOT BY WITNESSES OR SOMEONE 1051 00:34:41,155 --> 00:34:41,689 WHO'S NOT INVOLVED. 1052 00:34:41,689 --> 00:34:42,756 THIS CASE WAS NOT THAT. 1053 00:34:42,756 --> 00:34:44,258 IT WAS SHOT BY ONE OF THE 1054 00:34:44,258 --> 00:34:49,897 EVENTUAL DEFENDANTS. 1055 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:04,445 >>> CELEBRATE THE ARREST. 1056 00:35:04,445 --> 00:35:07,047 JUSTICE STILL IS NOT DONE. 1057 00:35:07,047 --> 00:35:08,115 >>> THREE DAYS AFTER THE RELEASE 1058 00:35:08,115 --> 00:35:10,751 OF THAT VIDEO OF 1059 00:35:10,751 --> 00:35:12,887 TRAVIS McMICHEAL KILLING 1060 00:35:12,887 --> 00:35:13,921 AHMAUD ARBERY WAS RELEASED, 1061 00:35:13,921 --> 00:35:14,989 HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE GATHERED 1062 00:35:14,989 --> 00:35:16,056 PEACEFULLY IN BRUNSWICK TO HONOR 1063 00:35:16,056 --> 00:35:17,091 AHMAUD ON WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN 1064 00:35:17,091 --> 00:35:18,158 HIS 26th BIRTHDAY. 1065 00:35:18,158 --> 00:35:20,794 >> I HAVE A BLACK SON, TOO. 1066 00:35:20,794 --> 00:35:21,328 AND I'M AFRAID FOR HIM EVERY DAY 1067 00:35:21,328 --> 00:35:22,396 WALKING OUT IN THE STREETS. 1068 00:35:22,396 --> 00:35:23,430 >> I ATTENDED A LOT OF RALLIES 1069 00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:25,032 IN THE SOUTH GEORGIA AREA. 1070 00:35:25,032 --> 00:35:27,168 EVERY COUNTY THAT WE VISITED, 1071 00:35:27,168 --> 00:35:29,803 MOMS WOULD COME TO ME SAYING, 1072 00:35:29,803 --> 00:35:32,973 I LOST MY CHILD. 1073 00:35:32,973 --> 00:35:40,381 THE POLICE KILLED MY CHILD. 1074 00:35:40,381 --> 00:35:45,686 >> WANDA COOPER‐JONES WAS 1075 00:35:45,686 --> 00:35:46,720 CONVINCED THAT SOMEBODY ELSE 1076 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:47,254 MIGHT HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN HER 1077 00:35:47,254 --> 00:35:47,788 SON'S DEATH. 1078 00:35:47,788 --> 00:35:50,891 >> SHE HAD NO PROBLEM SAYING, 1079 00:35:50,891 --> 00:35:52,359 WELL, LOOK, TWO ARRESTS ARE 1080 00:35:52,359 --> 00:35:54,295 NICE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE 1081 00:35:54,295 --> 00:35:55,229 EVERYONE INVOLVE IN THE MY SON'S 1082 00:35:55,229 --> 00:36:00,334 MURDER PAY FOR IT. 1083 00:36:00,334 --> 00:36:02,469 >> AM A WEEK AFTER THIS VIDEO 1084 00:36:02,469 --> 00:36:08,475 CAME OUT, A MAN NAMED WILLIAM 1085 00:36:08,475 --> 00:36:09,877 "RODDIE" BRYAN SPEAKS WITH ABC 1086 00:36:09,877 --> 00:36:10,277 NEWS. 1087 00:36:10,277 --> 00:36:12,613 >> I NEVER EXPERIENCED ANYTHING 1088 00:36:12,613 --> 00:36:13,681 LIKE THAT BEFORE. 1089 00:36:13,681 --> 00:36:18,252 WHOEVER THE YOUNG MAN WAS, I DO 1090 00:36:18,252 --> 00:36:19,119 NOT KNOW. 1091 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:19,620 I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ELSE TO 1092 00:36:19,620 --> 00:36:20,688 SAY OTHER THAN IT WAS 1093 00:36:20,688 --> 00:36:21,755 UNSETTLING. 1094 00:36:21,755 --> 00:36:22,289 >> BRYAN'S ATTORNEY, MR. GOUGH, 1095 00:36:22,289 --> 00:36:23,357 BEGAN TO OFFER UP HIS CLIENT AS 1096 00:36:23,357 --> 00:36:24,391 A WITNESS TO THIS TERRIBLE 1097 00:36:24,391 --> 00:36:25,459 INCIDENT. 1098 00:36:25,459 --> 00:36:26,527 >> MY CLIENT WAS TRYING TO TAKE 1099 00:36:26,527 --> 00:36:28,095 A VIDEO OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. 1100 00:36:28,095 --> 00:36:29,663 I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY 1101 00:36:29,663 --> 00:36:30,731 QUESTION THAT RODDIE WAS ONE OF 1102 00:36:30,731 --> 00:36:34,435 THE GOOD GUYS. 1103 00:36:34,435 --> 00:36:38,138 >> HIS LAWYER KIND OF GOES ON 1104 00:36:38,138 --> 00:36:42,876 THE OFFENSIVE AND SAYS, RODDIE'S 1105 00:36:42,876 --> 00:36:43,410 A VICTIM HERE IN SOME WAYS. 1106 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:45,012 HE JUST SHOT A VIDEO. 1107 00:36:45,012 --> 00:36:46,080 HE'S JUST A BYSTANDER. 1108 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,114 >> RODDIE BRYAN SEES A YOUNG MAN 1109 00:36:47,114 --> 00:36:48,182 RUNNING DOWN THE STREET THAT HE 1110 00:36:48,182 --> 00:36:50,284 DOESN'T KNOW, OKAY? 1111 00:36:50,284 --> 00:36:51,352 AND HE'S NOT RUNNING TO 1112 00:36:51,352 --> 00:36:51,885 ANYTHING. 1113 00:36:51,885 --> 00:36:52,953 HE'S RUNNING FROM SOMETHING, 1114 00:36:52,953 --> 00:36:54,021 OKAY? 1115 00:36:54,021 --> 00:36:55,055 AND THEN, A WHITE PICKUP TRUCK 1116 00:36:55,055 --> 00:36:56,056 THAT HE RECOGNIZES FROM THE 1117 00:36:56,056 --> 00:36:59,560 NEIGHBORHOOD COMES BY. 1118 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,130 AND HE GOES IN HIS HOUSE, HE 1119 00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:05,966 GETS HIS KEYS, HE HAS HIS CELL 1120 00:37:05,966 --> 00:37:08,502 PHONE, AND HE GETS IN HIS TRUCK. 1121 00:37:08,502 --> 00:37:09,203 SOMEWHERE AFTER HE PULLS OUT, HE 1122 00:37:09,203 --> 00:37:11,872 STARTS RECORDING. 1123 00:37:11,872 --> 00:37:12,406 >> I PRAY FOR THE FAMILY. 1124 00:37:12,406 --> 00:37:15,442 I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS. 1125 00:37:15,442 --> 00:37:15,976 I'M NOT PROUD THAT I SHOT THE 1126 00:37:15,976 --> 00:37:18,078 VIDEO. 1127 00:37:18,078 --> 00:37:20,748 BUT MAYBE IT HELPS IN THE END. 1128 00:37:20,748 --> 00:37:22,316 >> HE APOLOGIZED FOR THE PAIN 1129 00:37:22,316 --> 00:37:24,952 THAT WANDA WAS EXPERIENCING. 1130 00:37:24,952 --> 00:37:27,054 IT WAS REALLY ONE OF THE MORE 1131 00:37:27,054 --> 00:37:30,224 MYSTIFYING ASPECTS OF THE CASE. 1132 00:37:30,224 --> 00:37:31,825 >> TWO WEEKS AFTER BRYANT SPOKE 1133 00:37:31,825 --> 00:37:34,461 TO ABC NEWS, HE WAS INTERVIEWED 1134 00:37:34,461 --> 00:37:36,563 BY THE GBI, THE GEORGIA BUREAU 1135 00:37:36,563 --> 00:37:37,631 OF INVESTIGATION. 1136 00:37:37,631 --> 00:37:39,199 >> THE MAN WHO CAPTURED THAT 1137 00:37:39,199 --> 00:37:42,903 VIDEO NOW ARRESTED. 1138 00:37:42,903 --> 00:37:43,971 WILLIAM "RODDIE" BRYAN HAS BEEN 1139 00:37:43,971 --> 00:37:44,505 ARRESTED BY GEORGIA AUTHORITIES 1140 00:37:44,505 --> 00:37:45,539 ON CHARGES INCLUDING FELONY 1141 00:37:45,539 --> 00:37:48,742 MURDER. 1142 00:37:48,742 --> 00:37:49,777 >> WE HAD RODDIE BRYAN ARRESTED 1143 00:37:49,777 --> 00:37:51,378 BECAUSE WE BELIEVED THAT HE WAS 1144 00:37:51,378 --> 00:37:52,946 JUST AS CULPABLE AS THE 1145 00:37:52,946 --> 00:37:54,014 McMICHAELS IN THE MURDER OF 1146 00:37:54,014 --> 00:37:57,117 AHMAUD ARBERY. 1147 00:37:57,117 --> 00:37:58,152 NOW THIS WAS DURING COVID, 1148 00:37:58,152 --> 00:37:59,753 SO WE WERE ABLE TO FOLLOW CDC 1149 00:37:59,753 --> 00:38:02,389 GUIDELINES TO EMPANEL A GRAND 1150 00:38:02,389 --> 00:38:03,457 JURY, AFTER WHICH ALL THREE OF 1151 00:38:03,457 --> 00:38:04,491 THE CURRENT DEFENDANTS WERE 1152 00:38:04,491 --> 00:38:08,729 INDICTED. 1153 00:38:08,729 --> 00:38:11,365 >> THE MURDER OF AHMAUD ARBERY, 1154 00:38:11,365 --> 00:38:11,899 SHOCKED THE CONSCIENCE OF THE 1155 00:38:11,899 --> 00:38:12,966 NATION. 1156 00:38:12,966 --> 00:38:13,500 AND THEN GEORGE FLOYD WAS 1157 00:38:13,500 --> 00:38:17,571 KILLED. 1158 00:38:17,571 --> 00:38:19,440 >> NO JUSTICE! 1159 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,207 >> NO PEACE! 1160 00:38:20,207 --> 00:38:22,876 >> I CAN'T BREATHE! 1161 00:38:22,876 --> 00:38:25,546 >> IT'S REALLY THE FIRST GLOBAL 1162 00:38:25,546 --> 00:38:26,580 ANTI‐RACIST MOVEMENT THAT WE'D 1163 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:29,249 EVER SEEN. 1164 00:38:29,249 --> 00:38:29,750 THE PROTESTS WERE 1165 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:31,351 MULTIGENERATIONAL. 1166 00:38:31,351 --> 00:38:35,055 THEY WERE MULTIRACIAL. 1167 00:38:35,055 --> 00:38:37,157 BUT TO DO SO IN THE MIDDLE OF A 1168 00:38:37,157 --> 00:38:39,259 PANDEMIC, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS 1169 00:38:39,259 --> 00:38:40,327 OF MASKED PEOPLE ALL OVER THE 1170 00:38:40,327 --> 00:38:42,996 PLANET. 1171 00:38:42,996 --> 00:38:45,099 THE BACK‐TO‐BACK MURDERS OF 1172 00:38:45,099 --> 00:38:47,735 BREONNA TAYLOR, AHMAUD ARBERY, 1173 00:38:47,735 --> 00:38:49,336 GEORGE FLOYD REALLY PUT ON 1174 00:38:49,336 --> 00:38:51,972 DISPLAY THE EXTENT TO WHICH 1175 00:38:51,972 --> 00:38:57,945 BLACK LIVES DO NOT HAVE VALUE. 1176 00:38:57,945 --> 00:38:59,646 >> GREG CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT 1177 00:38:59,646 --> 00:39:01,281 AHMAUD ARBERY TO GET HURT OR 1178 00:39:01,281 --> 00:39:03,650 KILLED. 1179 00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:06,120 >> IS GREG McMICHAEL A RACIST? 1180 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:06,453 >> WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF 1181 00:39:06,453 --> 00:39:09,156 RACIST? 1182 00:39:09,156 --> 00:39:10,224 >> THERE WAS A PERSPECTIVE IN 1183 00:39:10,224 --> 00:39:11,258 THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WERE 1184 00:39:11,258 --> 00:39:13,360 BEING MENACED BY SOMEBODY. 1185 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,962 >> AND NOW THERE'S A SECOND 1186 00:39:14,962 --> 00:39:15,996 VIDEO THAT MIGHT SHOW THAT AND 1187 00:39:15,996 --> 00:39:17,598 CHANGE EVERYTHING. 1188 00:39:17,598 --> 00:39:18,132 >> THERE'S SOMEBODY BACK OVER 1189 00:39:18,132 --> 00:39:20,167 THERE ON THE PROPERTY. 1190 00:39:20,167 --> 00:39:22,903 AGAIN TONIGHT. 1191 00:39:22,903 --> 00:39:24,104 IT'S A BLACK MALE. 1192 00:39:24,104 --> 00:39:31,879 LOOKS LIKE HE'S UP TO NO GOOD. 1193 00:39:36,617 --> 00:39:38,285 >>> A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT 1194 00:39:38,285 --> 00:39:40,154 UNDERSTAND HOW DID A MAN LOSE 1195 00:39:40,154 --> 00:39:41,655 HIS LIFE WHEN THERE WAS NO 1196 00:39:41,655 --> 00:39:43,557 EVIDENCE OF A SERIOUS CRIME 1197 00:39:43,557 --> 00:39:44,158 BEING COMMITTED. 1198 00:39:44,158 --> 00:39:45,893 >> THAT'S THE WRONG QUESTION. 1199 00:39:45,893 --> 00:39:46,627 IT'S INACCURATE. 1200 00:39:46,627 --> 00:39:50,264 >> WHAT'S THE RIGHT QUESTION? 1201 00:39:50,264 --> 00:39:51,565 WHAT DID THE JURY BELIEVE? 1202 00:39:51,565 --> 00:39:52,566 >> I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE REACHED 1203 00:39:52,566 --> 00:39:54,668 A VERDICT AS TO EACH DEFENDANT. 1204 00:39:54,668 --> 00:39:57,805 >> IF YOU SEE A WHITE MAN 1205 00:39:57,805 --> 00:39:58,806 RUNNING, YOU THINK, WELL, 1206 00:39:58,806 --> 00:39:59,807 THERE'S A JOGGER. 1207 00:39:59,807 --> 00:40:05,179 IF YOU SEE A BLACK MAN RUNNING, 1208 00:40:05,179 --> 00:40:07,548 I THINK YOU CALL INTO QUESTION 1209 00:40:07,548 --> 00:40:08,916 WHY HE'S RUNNING. 1210 00:40:08,916 --> 00:40:12,986 >> HE WAS JUST WANDERING AROUND 1211 00:40:12,986 --> 00:40:14,822 UNDER THE CARPORT. 1212 00:40:14,822 --> 00:40:16,523 LOOKS LIKE HE'S UP TO NO GOOD. 1213 00:40:16,523 --> 00:40:20,127 >> IF HE DIDN'T HAVE HIS BELIEF 1214 00:40:20,127 --> 00:40:22,396 HE WAS ACTUALLY COMMITTING 1215 00:40:22,396 --> 00:40:25,299 BURGLARIES, ALL YOU BELIEVE IS 1216 00:40:25,299 --> 00:40:27,367 THAT IS A BLACK MAN RUNNING. 1217 00:40:27,367 --> 00:40:29,369 >> WE PULLED UP BESIDE. 1218 00:40:29,369 --> 00:40:31,872 HE JUST KEEPS ON RUNNING. 1219 00:40:31,872 --> 00:40:34,908 >> HE WAS TREATED LIKE AN 1220 00:40:34,908 --> 00:40:35,375 ANIMAL. 1221 00:40:35,375 --> 00:40:36,109 GUNNED DOWN. 1222 00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:37,845 >> THIS IS NOT RACIST MOTIVES. 1223 00:40:37,845 --> 00:40:39,046 THIS IS SOME PEOPLE IN A 1224 00:40:39,046 --> 00:40:40,147 NEIGHBORHOOD TRYING TO DO THE 1225 00:40:40,147 --> 00:40:41,715 BEST THEY COULD TO STOP CRIME IN 1226 00:40:41,715 --> 00:40:42,015 A NEIGHBORHOOD. 1227 00:40:42,015 --> 00:40:44,885 >> WHEN YOU HEAR THEM SAY RACE 1228 00:40:44,885 --> 00:40:46,153 HAS NO BEARING ON THIS CASE, 1229 00:40:46,153 --> 00:40:46,987 WHAT IS YOUR REACTION? 1230 00:40:46,987 --> 00:40:48,622 >> IT'S THREE MEN CHASING A 1231 00:40:48,622 --> 00:40:50,123 BLACK YOUNG MAN. 1232 00:40:50,123 --> 00:40:52,626 HE'S UNARMED, THEY HAVE WEAPONS, 1233 00:40:52,626 --> 00:40:53,660 THEY HAVE A TRUCK. 1234 00:40:53,660 --> 00:41:02,336 WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE? 1235 00:41:02,336 --> 00:41:02,870 >>> THE THREE MEN ACCUSED OF 1236 00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:03,937 KILLING AHMAUD ARBERY WERE IN 1237 00:41:03,937 --> 00:41:06,506 CUSTODY. 1238 00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:08,642 >> AT THIS POINT WE CALL RICHARD 1239 00:41:08,642 --> 00:41:10,210 DIAL FROM THE GEORGIA BUREAU OF 1240 00:41:10,210 --> 00:41:11,645 INVESTIGATIONS TO THE STAND. 1241 00:41:11,645 --> 00:41:14,448 >> GBI INVESTIGATOR RICHARD DIAL 1242 00:41:14,448 --> 00:41:19,853 TESTIFIES AT A JUNE 4th 1243 00:41:19,853 --> 00:41:22,422 PRELIMINARY HEARING, LAYING OUT 1244 00:41:22,422 --> 00:41:23,457 WITH VIDEO AND OTHER EVIDENCE 1245 00:41:23,457 --> 00:41:24,524 WHAT REALLY MAY HAVE HAPPENED ON 1246 00:41:24,524 --> 00:41:26,093 FEBRUARY 23, 2020. 1247 00:41:26,093 --> 00:41:28,729 AHMAUD SET OUT FROM HIS HOME 1248 00:41:28,729 --> 00:41:29,796 THAT SUNNY SUNDAY, AND ABOUT TWO 1249 00:41:29,796 --> 00:41:30,864 MILES LATER CROSSED OVER INTO 1250 00:41:30,864 --> 00:41:35,602 THE SATILLA SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD. 1251 00:41:35,602 --> 00:41:38,238 >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STREET 1252 00:41:38,238 --> 00:41:39,339 LAYOUT OF SATILLA SHORES, IT'S A 1253 00:41:39,339 --> 00:41:39,840 BUNCH OF WINDING STREETS LIKE 1254 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,441 MOST SUBDIVISIONS ARE. 1255 00:41:41,441 --> 00:41:43,043 >> THE FIRST TIME WE SEE 1256 00:41:43,043 --> 00:41:44,611 AHMAUD ARBERY IN SATILLA SHORES 1257 00:41:44,611 --> 00:41:46,747 IS FROM A PORCH CAMERA. 1258 00:41:46,747 --> 00:41:50,951 >> THE TIMING ON THAT PORCH 1259 00:41:50,951 --> 00:41:54,054 CAMERA IS OFF BY ABOUT AN HOUR 1260 00:41:54,054 --> 00:41:55,122 AND FIVE MINUTES. 1261 00:41:55,122 --> 00:41:58,292 AT 1:04 P. M. HE ENTERS A HOME 1262 00:41:58,292 --> 00:41:59,359 THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 1263 00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:00,928 >> AHMAUD ARBERY STOPS AND WALKS 1264 00:42:00,928 --> 00:42:01,995 IN THIS HOUSE. 1265 00:42:01,995 --> 00:42:02,529 SURVEILLANCE VIDEO SHOWS HIM 1266 00:42:02,529 --> 00:42:05,165 JUST WALKING AROUND, LOOKING. 1267 00:42:05,165 --> 00:42:07,234 >> THAT CONSTRUCTION SITE SORT 1268 00:42:07,234 --> 00:42:09,202 OF BECAME GROUND ZERO OF ALL 1269 00:42:09,202 --> 00:42:11,805 THIS. 1270 00:42:11,805 --> 00:42:15,242 >> AT 1:08 P. M. A NEIGHBOR IS 1271 00:42:15,242 --> 00:42:17,377 CAPTURED ON THAT INCORRECTLY 1272 00:42:17,377 --> 00:42:21,515 TIMED PORCH CAMERA, CALLING 1273 00:42:21,515 --> 00:42:24,251 POLICE CONCERNED OVER REPORTED 1274 00:42:24,251 --> 00:42:24,952 BREAK‐INS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 1275 00:42:24,952 --> 00:42:25,485 >> THERE'S A GUY IN A HOUSE 1276 00:42:25,485 --> 00:42:26,520 RIGHT NOW, A HOUSE UNDER 1277 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,587 CONSTRUCTION. 1278 00:42:27,587 --> 00:42:28,088 >> AND YOU SAID SOMEONE IS 1279 00:42:28,088 --> 00:42:29,156 BREAKING INTO IT RIGHT NOW? 1280 00:42:29,156 --> 00:42:30,223 >> NO, IT'S ALL OPEN. 1281 00:42:30,223 --> 00:42:31,291 IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. 1282 00:42:31,291 --> 00:42:33,393 >> FOUR MINUTES AFTER HE ENTERS, 1283 00:42:33,393 --> 00:42:34,461 AHMAUD ARBERY EXITS THE HOUSE 1284 00:42:34,461 --> 00:42:36,063 AND CONTINUES RUNNING. 1285 00:42:36,063 --> 00:42:36,596 >> AND HE'S RUNNING RIGHT NOW. 1286 00:42:36,596 --> 00:42:37,631 THERE HE GOES RIGHT NOW. 1287 00:42:37,631 --> 00:42:38,699 >> OKAY, I JUST NEED TO KNOW 1288 00:42:38,699 --> 00:42:39,733 WHAT HE WAS DOING WRONG. 1289 00:42:39,733 --> 00:42:42,402 >> HE'S BEEN CAUGHT ON THE 1290 00:42:42,402 --> 00:42:45,539 CAMERA A BUNCH BEFORE AT NIGHT, 1291 00:42:45,539 --> 00:42:46,073 IT'S KIND OF AN ONGOING THING 1292 00:42:46,073 --> 00:42:47,140 OUT HERE. 1293 00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:50,077 >> A DIFFERENT HOME CAMERA PICKS 1294 00:42:50,077 --> 00:42:53,313 UP AN IMAGE OF AHMAUD AS HE 1295 00:42:53,313 --> 00:42:54,381 HEADS DEEPER INTO SATILLA 1296 00:42:54,381 --> 00:42:56,016 SHORES. 1297 00:42:56,016 --> 00:42:57,084 >> MR. GREG MCMICHAEL WAS IN HIS 1298 00:42:57,084 --> 00:42:59,186 FRONT YARD WORKING ON SOME 1299 00:42:59,186 --> 00:43:00,253 CUSHIONS FOR HIS BOAT WHEN HE 1300 00:43:00,253 --> 00:43:01,321 SEES MR. ARBERY RUNNING DOWN THE 1301 00:43:01,321 --> 00:43:03,957 STREET. 1302 00:43:03,957 --> 00:43:10,831 ON POLICE BODY CAMERA, YOU CAN 1303 00:43:10,831 --> 00:43:11,865 HEAR GREG MCMICHAEL KIND OF 1304 00:43:11,865 --> 00:43:12,399 EXCITEDLY DESCRIBING HOW ARBERY 1305 00:43:12,399 --> 00:43:13,467 IS RUNNING BY. 1306 00:43:13,467 --> 00:43:14,534 >> HE COMES HAULING ASS DOWN THE 1307 00:43:14,534 --> 00:43:15,569 STREET. 1308 00:43:15,569 --> 00:43:16,103 I MEAN, HE AIN'T JOGGING. 1309 00:43:16,103 --> 00:43:21,375 HE'S HOOKED UP. 1310 00:43:21,375 --> 00:43:21,908 I RUN IN THE HOUSE, I SAID 1311 00:43:21,908 --> 00:43:22,976 TRAVIS, THE SAME GUY THAT BROKE 1312 00:43:22,976 --> 00:43:25,112 IN THE HOUSE DOWN THERE. 1313 00:43:25,112 --> 00:43:26,246 I SAID, COME ON, LET'S GO. 1314 00:43:26,246 --> 00:43:27,280 SO TRAVIS RUNS AND GETS HIS 1315 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,383 SHOTGUN. 1316 00:43:29,383 --> 00:43:29,950 I GRAB MY .357 MAGNUM. 1317 00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:30,984 >> AT 1:10 P. M., THE PORCH 1318 00:43:30,984 --> 00:43:32,586 CAMERA PICKS UP GREG AND 1319 00:43:32,586 --> 00:43:33,620 TRAVIS McMICHAEL IN THEIR TRUCK, 1320 00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:34,154 AND THEY'RE DRIVING, FOLLOWING 1321 00:43:34,154 --> 00:43:35,222 AHMAUD ARBERY AND THAT'S WHEN 1322 00:43:35,222 --> 00:43:38,759 THE CHASE STARTS. 1323 00:43:38,759 --> 00:43:41,161 >> AHMAUD THEN CROSSES OVER TO 1324 00:43:41,161 --> 00:43:42,229 BURFORD ROAD, WITH THE 1325 00:43:42,229 --> 00:43:43,296 MCMICHAELS FOLLOWING HIM IN 1326 00:43:43,296 --> 00:43:43,830 THEIR TRUCK. 1327 00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:45,932 >> WE SEE HIM COME AROUND THE 1328 00:43:45,932 --> 00:43:46,433 CORNER. 1329 00:43:46,433 --> 00:43:49,202 HE'S GOING DOWN HERE. 1330 00:43:49,202 --> 00:43:50,470 WE PULL UP BESIDE HIM, HEY, 1331 00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:51,071 STOP, STOP. 1332 00:43:51,071 --> 00:43:53,507 WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU. 1333 00:43:53,507 --> 00:43:56,743 AND HE JUST KEEPS ON RUNNING. 1334 00:43:56,743 --> 00:43:58,045 >> WILLIAM "RODDIE" BRYAN HAS 1335 00:43:58,045 --> 00:43:59,613 THIS NIGHT OWL CAMERA AND ON 1336 00:43:59,613 --> 00:44:00,680 THAT CAMERA WE SEE AHMAUD ARBERY 1337 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:01,214 RUNNING BY WITH THE MCMICHAELS 1338 00:44:01,214 --> 00:44:03,617 FOLLOWING IN THEIR TRUCK. 1339 00:44:03,617 --> 00:44:06,086 >> RODDIE BRYAN TELLS 1340 00:44:06,086 --> 00:44:06,853 INVESTIGATORS HE'S WORKING ON 1341 00:44:06,853 --> 00:44:13,193 HIS PORCH WHEN HE SEES WHAT'S 1342 00:44:13,193 --> 00:44:14,761 HAPPENING, SO PICKS UP HIS KEYS 1343 00:44:14,761 --> 00:44:15,829 AND JOINS THE CHASE. 1344 00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:16,897 >> I PULLED OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY. 1345 00:44:16,897 --> 00:44:17,431 I WAS GONNA TRY TO BLOCK HIM. 1346 00:44:17,431 --> 00:44:18,465 >> FOR THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES, 1347 00:44:18,465 --> 00:44:18,999 AHMAUD IS TRAPPED IN SATILLA 1348 00:44:18,999 --> 00:44:21,101 SHORES. 1349 00:44:21,101 --> 00:44:22,702 NO MATTER WHICH WAY HE RUNS, 1350 00:44:22,702 --> 00:44:23,236 DOWN BURFORD OR UP HOLMES, THERE 1351 00:44:23,236 --> 00:44:26,506 IS A TRUCK BLOCKING HIM. 1352 00:44:26,506 --> 00:44:27,674 RODDIE BRYAN PICKS UP HIS CELL 1353 00:44:27,674 --> 00:44:29,776 PHONE AND BEGINS RECORDING WHAT 1354 00:44:29,776 --> 00:44:30,010 YOU SEE HERE. 1355 00:44:30,010 --> 00:44:31,078 >> I TRIED TO BLOCK HIM AGAIN. 1356 00:44:31,078 --> 00:44:32,145 THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. 1357 00:44:32,145 --> 00:44:34,781 THEN HE WENT AROUND ME SO I 1358 00:44:34,781 --> 00:44:37,451 TURNED AROUND, COME BACK. 1359 00:44:37,451 --> 00:44:37,951 HE STARTED COMING BACK TOWARDS 1360 00:44:37,951 --> 00:44:41,154 ME. 1361 00:44:41,154 --> 00:44:46,526 >> RODDIE DROPS HIS PHONE. 1362 00:44:46,526 --> 00:44:47,060 YOU CAN HEAR HIS TRUCK 1363 00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:48,095 MANEUVERING AROUND. 1364 00:44:48,095 --> 00:44:49,162 >> ONE TIME WHEN I CORNERED HIM 1365 00:44:49,162 --> 00:44:50,230 UP OVER HERE, HE WAS TRYING TO 1366 00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:51,298 GET IN MY TRUCK. 1367 00:44:51,298 --> 00:44:51,832 >> YOU CAN SEE SOME PALM PRINTS, 1368 00:44:51,832 --> 00:44:55,969 APPEAR TO BE SWIPES, ON THE REAR 1369 00:44:55,969 --> 00:44:56,503 >> WHEN TRAVIS LOOKS BACK, SEES 1370 00:44:56,503 --> 00:44:57,571 MR. ARBERY TRYING TO GET INTO 1371 00:44:57,571 --> 00:44:58,638 THE TRUCK. 1372 00:44:58,638 --> 00:44:59,139 >> HE TRIED TO GET IN MY DOOR. 1373 00:44:59,139 --> 00:45:00,207 >> SO TRAVIS IS VERY MUCH ON 1374 00:45:00,207 --> 00:45:00,740 GUARD. 1375 00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:03,210 >> RODDIE'S VIDEO SHOWS AHMAUD 1376 00:45:03,210 --> 00:45:06,346 ARBERY RUNNING ALONG HOLMES 1377 00:45:06,346 --> 00:45:10,450 ROAD, AND AS HE MEETS UP WITH 1378 00:45:10,450 --> 00:45:14,621 THE McMICHAELS, HE'S BOXED IN. 1379 00:45:14,621 --> 00:45:15,989 GREG McMICHAEL TALKS TO A 911 1380 00:45:15,989 --> 00:45:18,692 OPERATOR. 1381 00:45:18,692 --> 00:45:19,726 >> I'M OUT HERE AT SATILLA 1382 00:45:19,726 --> 00:45:20,260 SHORES, THERE IS A BLACK MALE 1383 00:45:20,260 --> 00:45:21,328 RUNNING DOWN THE STREET. 1384 00:45:21,328 --> 00:45:22,362 >> AND SO YOU SAW THE SON TRAVIS 1385 00:45:22,362 --> 00:45:23,430 GET OUT OF THE TRUCK WITH A 1386 00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:25,031 REMINGTON SHOT GUN. 1387 00:45:25,031 --> 00:45:26,066 >> TRAVIS GETS OUT WITH THE DAMN 1388 00:45:26,066 --> 00:45:27,134 SHOTGUN. 1389 00:45:27,134 --> 00:45:27,634 >> AHMAUD, YOU CAN TELL, DOESN'T 1390 00:45:27,634 --> 00:45:29,769 KNOW WHAT TO DO. 1391 00:45:29,769 --> 00:45:30,303 HE WANTS TO RUN AROUND. 1392 00:45:30,303 --> 00:45:33,440 HE GOES TO THE LEFT. 1393 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,508 HE SEES TRAVIS. 1394 00:45:34,508 --> 00:45:35,575 HE GOES TO THE RIGHT AND THEN 1395 00:45:35,575 --> 00:45:36,610 DOES GO AROUND THE PASSENGER 1396 00:45:36,610 --> 00:45:37,677 SIDE OF THE TRUCK. 1397 00:45:37,677 --> 00:45:42,015 >> STOP RIGHT THERE! 1398 00:45:42,015 --> 00:45:42,215 DAMN IT. 1399 00:45:42,215 --> 00:45:42,382 STOP! 1400 00:45:42,382 --> 00:45:43,350 >> WE DON'T KNOW WHY 1401 00:45:43,350 --> 00:45:43,850 AHMAUD ARBERY WENT TO THE RIGHT 1402 00:45:43,850 --> 00:45:44,918 AND THEN CROSSED AND TURNED IN 1403 00:45:44,918 --> 00:45:45,986 FRONT OF TRAVIS McMICHAEL'S 1404 00:45:45,986 --> 00:45:46,686 TRUCK. 1405 00:45:46,686 --> 00:45:48,788 >> THE GUY TURNS AND COMES AT 1406 00:45:48,788 --> 00:45:51,358 HIM. 1407 00:45:51,358 --> 00:45:54,161 >> IN THE SECONDS THAT THAT 1408 00:45:54,161 --> 00:45:55,629 CONFRONTATION HAPPENS IS 1409 00:45:55,629 --> 00:45:57,964 OBSCURED BY THE PICKUP TRUCK. 1410 00:45:57,964 --> 00:45:58,498 WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WENT 1411 00:45:58,498 --> 00:45:59,533 DOWN. 1412 00:45:59,533 --> 00:46:00,600 >> TRAVIS McMICHAEL AND 1413 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,304 AHMAUD ARBERY WERE STRUGGLING 1414 00:46:04,304 --> 00:46:04,838 OVER THAT SHOTGUN, AND THEN THE 1415 00:46:04,838 --> 00:46:08,542 SHOTS GO OFF. 1416 00:46:08,542 --> 00:46:11,178 HE SHOOTS HIM THREE TIMES. 1417 00:46:11,178 --> 00:46:12,212 YOU SEE HIM IMMEDIATELY 1418 00:46:12,212 --> 00:46:18,552 COLLAPSE, AND IT'S OVER. 1419 00:46:18,552 --> 00:46:20,687 >> A VERY SHORT TIME AFTER THE 1420 00:46:20,687 --> 00:46:21,721 SHOOTING OCCURS, LAW ENFORCEMENT 1421 00:46:21,721 --> 00:46:23,857 IS ON THE SCENE. 1422 00:46:23,857 --> 00:46:26,493 AND THEY GET OUT OF THEIR 1423 00:46:26,493 --> 00:46:30,197 VEHICLE, BODY CAMERAS ARE ON. 1424 00:46:30,197 --> 00:46:31,264 >> HE HAD NO CHOICE, MAN. 1425 00:46:31,264 --> 00:46:32,832 >> YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THE 1426 00:46:32,832 --> 00:46:34,434 McMICHAELS WALKING AROUND AND 1427 00:46:34,434 --> 00:46:38,138 YOU'VE GOT AHMAUD ON THE GROUND. 1428 00:46:38,138 --> 00:46:38,638 >> NOBODY INITIALLY FOCUSES ON 1429 00:46:38,638 --> 00:46:41,274 AHMAUD. 1430 00:46:41,274 --> 00:46:42,342 HE'S THE KID THAT'S DYING AND 1431 00:46:42,342 --> 00:46:43,410 PROBABLY MAY WELL NOT BE DEAD 1432 00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:46,580 YET. 1433 00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:47,647 >> ALL RIGHT, GUYS, EVERYBODY'S 1434 00:46:47,647 --> 00:46:48,682 GOT THEIR WEAPONS UP, CORRECT? 1435 00:46:48,682 --> 00:46:49,216 >> EVERYBODY'S GOT THEIR WEAPONS 1436 00:46:49,216 --> 00:46:49,749 UP. 1437 00:46:49,749 --> 00:46:51,851 >> ONCE YOU FEEL LIKE A SCENE IS 1438 00:46:51,851 --> 00:46:52,819 SAFE, THEN YOU IMMEDIATELY START 1439 00:46:52,819 --> 00:46:53,887 RENDERING CARE TO THE PERSON 1440 00:46:53,887 --> 00:46:58,658 THAT'S SHOT. 1441 00:46:58,658 --> 00:46:59,693 THERE IS EVENTUALLY THAT, BY 1442 00:46:59,693 --> 00:47:00,760 ANOTHER OFFICER THAT ARRIVES ON 1443 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:01,294 THE SCENE. 1444 00:47:01,294 --> 00:47:02,362 >> HE'S STILL BREATHING. 1445 00:47:02,362 --> 00:47:03,396 >> YEAH, I KNOW. 1446 00:47:03,396 --> 00:47:03,930 I'M GONNA TRY AND DO SOMETHING 1447 00:47:03,930 --> 00:47:04,998 FOR HIM. 1448 00:47:04,998 --> 00:47:06,032 >> I THINK AT THAT POINT IT'S 1449 00:47:06,032 --> 00:47:07,100 WAY TOO LATE. 1450 00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:08,168 >> JUST STAY OVER THERE FOR ME, 1451 00:47:08,168 --> 00:47:08,702 SIR. 1452 00:47:08,702 --> 00:47:11,771 JUST STAY OVER THERE. 1453 00:47:11,771 --> 00:47:12,839 >> YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN 1454 00:47:12,839 --> 00:47:15,108 DO FOR THIS GENTLEMAN. 1455 00:47:15,108 --> 00:47:16,910 HE STOPPED BREATHING A COUPLE 1456 00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:17,911 MINUTES AGO. 1457 00:47:17,911 --> 00:47:19,012 I HAD PRESSURE ON HIM, BUT THERE 1458 00:47:19,012 --> 00:47:21,581 WAS NOTHING I COULD DO. 1459 00:47:21,581 --> 00:47:24,651 >> YOU CAN TELL TRAVIS IS IN 1460 00:47:24,651 --> 00:47:25,652 TOTAL DISTRESS. 1461 00:47:25,652 --> 00:47:26,720 HE'S WALKING AROUND. 1462 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,922 HE'S SORT OF VERBALLY AGONIZING. 1463 00:47:28,922 --> 00:47:31,291 >> I TOLD HIM TO STOP, STOP, 1464 00:47:31,291 --> 00:47:33,159 STOP, TILL HE HIT ME. 1465 00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,829 I HAD NOTHING TO DO. 1466 00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:36,363 THERE WAS JUST NOTHING ELSE I 1467 00:47:36,363 --> 00:47:37,397 COULD DO. 1468 00:47:37,397 --> 00:47:39,532 JUST DOESN'T LOOK GOOD. 1469 00:47:39,532 --> 00:47:41,801 I MEAN, I JUST SHOT A MAN. 1470 00:47:41,801 --> 00:47:42,502 >> RODDIE BRYAN TRIES TO HELP 1471 00:47:42,502 --> 00:47:42,769 POLICE. 1472 00:47:42,769 --> 00:47:43,937 HE ADMITS HE HAS THE RECORDING 1473 00:47:43,937 --> 00:47:45,005 OF THE SHOOTING. 1474 00:47:45,005 --> 00:47:46,039 >> NOBODY GOT THIS ON VIDEO? 1475 00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:48,708 YOU JUST WITNESSED IT CORRECT? 1476 00:47:48,708 --> 00:47:49,743 >> YEAH, I GOT IT. 1477 00:47:49,743 --> 00:47:50,277 >> YOU GOT IT ON VIDEO? 1478 00:47:50,277 --> 00:47:51,745 >> I AIN'T LOOKED AT IT YET. 1479 00:47:51,745 --> 00:47:53,246 I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO GET 1480 00:47:53,246 --> 00:47:55,282 AWAY. 1481 00:47:55,282 --> 00:47:56,416 >> WILLIAM "RODDIE" BRYAN TELLS 1482 00:47:56,416 --> 00:47:58,151 OFFICERS THAT ULTIMATELY HE WAS 1483 00:47:58,151 --> 00:47:59,786 TAKING THAT VIDEO TO IDENTIFY 1484 00:47:59,786 --> 00:48:02,956 AHMAUD ARBERY TO POLICE. 1485 00:48:02,956 --> 00:48:04,024 >> BECAUSE AT THIS POINT I COULD 1486 00:48:04,024 --> 00:48:05,091 SEE HIS FACE WITH MY CAMERA. 1487 00:48:05,091 --> 00:48:06,126 I MEAN, IF THE GUY WOULD HAVE 1488 00:48:06,126 --> 00:48:07,193 STOPPED THIS WOULD HAVE NEVER 1489 00:48:07,193 --> 00:48:07,694 HAPPENED. 1490 00:48:07,694 --> 00:48:08,762 SHOULD WE HAVE BEEN CHASING HIM? 1491 00:48:08,762 --> 00:48:12,699 I DON'T KNOW. 1492 00:48:12,699 --> 00:48:14,901 >> WITHIN ON HOUR OF THE 1493 00:48:14,901 --> 00:48:16,202 SHOOTING, RODDIE IS BACK WORKING 1494 00:48:16,202 --> 00:48:19,406 ON HIS PORCH. 1495 00:48:19,406 --> 00:48:19,939 >> FEBRUARY 23rd, EVERYBODY WENT 1496 00:48:19,939 --> 00:48:23,109 HOME EXCEPT AHMAUD ARBERY. 1497 00:48:23,109 --> 00:48:24,144 >> TRAVIS AND GREG McMICHAEL 1498 00:48:24,144 --> 00:48:25,745 HAVE BEEN STEREOTYPED AS 1499 00:48:25,745 --> 00:48:26,780 SOUTHERN REDNECKS OUT TO KILL 1500 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:27,847 BLACK PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S A 1501 00:48:27,847 --> 00:48:30,684 SPORT. 1502 00:48:30,684 --> 00:48:33,219 >> GREG SEES IT AS A TRAGEDY. 1503 00:48:33,219 --> 00:48:35,188 >> A TRAGEDY THAT HE AND HIS SON 1504 00:48:35,188 --> 00:48:35,755 SET IN MOTION. 1505 00:48:35,755 --> 00:48:38,625 >> WELL, ONE MIGHT SAY A TRAGEDY 1506 00:48:38,625 --> 00:48:40,727 THAT AHMAUD ARBERY SET IN 1507 00:48:40,727 --> 00:48:42,796 MOTION. 1508 00:48:47,701 --> 00:48:49,502 >>> IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND 1509 00:48:49,502 --> 00:48:52,505 HOW THE EVENTS OF FEBRUARY 23rd 1510 00:48:52,505 --> 00:48:55,308 UNFOLDED, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT 1511 00:48:55,308 --> 00:49:01,147 THE BACKGROUND OF THE DEFENDANTS 1512 00:49:01,147 --> 00:49:03,717 AS WELL AS THEIR LIVES IN THE 1513 00:49:03,717 --> 00:49:04,217 SATILLA SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD. 1514 00:49:04,217 --> 00:49:06,252 >> THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT 1515 00:49:06,252 --> 00:49:06,786 AHMAUD ARBERY WAS KILLED IN IS A 1516 00:49:06,786 --> 00:49:09,422 MIDDLE CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD. 1517 00:49:09,422 --> 00:49:13,159 T'S PREDOMINANTLY WHITE. 1518 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:14,728 >> LIKE A LOT OF THE 1519 00:49:14,728 --> 00:49:15,261 NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S AN 1520 00:49:15,261 --> 00:49:16,329 INTERESTING COMBINATION. 1521 00:49:16,329 --> 00:49:17,397 YOU'VE GOT SOME MARSH FRONT 1522 00:49:17,397 --> 00:49:18,431 PROPERTY WHERE YOU HAVE SOME 1523 00:49:18,431 --> 00:49:18,965 VERY NICE HOMES. 1524 00:49:18,965 --> 00:49:20,533 AND THEN YOU HAVE THE INTERIOR 1525 00:49:20,533 --> 00:49:22,135 HOMES ON INTERIOR LOTS, WHICH 1526 00:49:22,135 --> 00:49:23,203 TEND TO BE SMALLER AND LESS 1527 00:49:23,203 --> 00:49:24,237 SPECIAL. 1528 00:49:24,237 --> 00:49:25,305 >> GREG MCMICHAEL HAD A HOME 1529 00:49:25,305 --> 00:49:28,041 THERE. 1530 00:49:28,041 --> 00:49:29,242 GREG McMICHAEL WAS IN LAW 1531 00:49:29,242 --> 00:49:30,877 ENFORCEMENT MANY YEARS. 1532 00:49:30,877 --> 00:49:31,411 HE WAS A COP FIRST, AND THEN 1533 00:49:31,411 --> 00:49:32,445 WENT TO WORK FOR THE GLYNN 1534 00:49:32,445 --> 00:49:33,480 COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S 1535 00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:34,013 OFFICE. 1536 00:49:34,013 --> 00:49:35,615 HE WAS AN INVESTIGATOR WITH 1537 00:49:35,615 --> 00:49:37,183 THEM, HAD JUST RETIRED A YEAR 1538 00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:38,251 PREVIOUSLY. 1539 00:49:38,251 --> 00:49:39,319 >> TELL ME ABOUT HIS 1540 00:49:39,319 --> 00:49:40,353 RELATIONSHIP WITH HIS SON, 1541 00:49:40,353 --> 00:49:40,887 TRAVIS. 1542 00:49:40,887 --> 00:49:42,455 >> THEY'RE CLOSE. 1543 00:49:42,455 --> 00:49:43,523 THEY BOTH LIKE THE WATER. 1544 00:49:43,523 --> 00:49:44,591 OF COURSE, TRAVIS WAS IN THE 1545 00:49:44,591 --> 00:49:45,658 COAST GUARD, HAVING GROWN UP ON 1546 00:49:45,658 --> 00:49:47,761 THE WATER LIKE GREG DID. 1547 00:49:47,761 --> 00:49:48,828 >> TRAVIS GREW UP IN BRUNSWICK. 1548 00:49:48,828 --> 00:49:50,964 HE WENT TO BRUNSWICK HIGH 1549 00:49:50,964 --> 00:49:53,032 SCHOOL, GRADUATED IN 2004. 1550 00:49:53,032 --> 00:49:54,100 >> I LIVE RIGHT THERE. 1551 00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:55,702 >> TRAVIS MCMICHAEL WAS 34 YEARS 1552 00:49:55,702 --> 00:49:56,736 OLD. 1553 00:49:56,736 --> 00:49:57,804 HE HAD MOVED BACK IN WITH HIS 1554 00:49:57,804 --> 00:50:02,308 PARENTS, AND THAT'S WHERE HE 1555 00:50:02,308 --> 00:50:06,346 WAS IN SATILLA SHORES. 1556 00:50:06,346 --> 00:50:08,381 >> HOW YOU DOING, SIR? 1557 00:50:08,381 --> 00:50:10,016 WILLIAM "RODDIE" BRYAN LIVED 1558 00:50:10,016 --> 00:50:10,950 IN SATILLA SHORES, NEARBY THE 1559 00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:12,485 McMICHAEL. 1560 00:50:12,485 --> 00:50:13,553 HE WORKED IN A HARDWARE STORE. 1561 00:50:13,553 --> 00:50:16,723 >> RODDIE BRYAN IS A SALT OF THE 1562 00:50:16,723 --> 00:50:17,257 EARTH KIND OF GUY. 1563 00:50:17,257 --> 00:50:18,324 HE'S THE KIND OF PERSON THAT 1564 00:50:18,324 --> 00:50:19,359 EVERYONE WHO MEETS, LIKES. 1565 00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:20,427 >> NOBODY GOT THIS ON VIDEO, YOU 1566 00:50:20,427 --> 00:50:23,062 JUST WITNESSED IT CORRECT? 1567 00:50:23,062 --> 00:50:24,130 >> YEAH, I GOT IT. 1568 00:50:24,130 --> 00:50:25,198 >> RODDIE BRYAN, I MEAN, HE 1569 00:50:25,198 --> 00:50:25,732 SUPPLIED, THE NEXT BEST THING 1570 00:50:25,732 --> 00:50:26,766 FOR THE PROSECUTION THAN A 1571 00:50:26,766 --> 00:50:27,300 CONFESSION. 1572 00:50:27,300 --> 00:50:28,368 >> AT WHAT POINT DID YOU START 1573 00:50:28,368 --> 00:50:29,436 VIDEOING? 1574 00:50:29,436 --> 00:50:30,470 >> WELL, I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING 1575 00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:32,572 TO GET AWAY, SO THAT WAS THE 1576 00:50:32,572 --> 00:50:35,241 REASON. 1577 00:50:35,241 --> 00:50:35,742 I DON'T KNOW WHAT I GOT 'CAUSE 1578 00:50:35,742 --> 00:50:36,810 HALF THE TIME I WAS TRYING TO 1579 00:50:36,810 --> 00:50:37,343 DRIVE. 1580 00:50:37,343 --> 00:50:39,412 >> HOW WELL DID HE KNOW THE 1581 00:50:39,412 --> 00:50:39,446 McMICHAELS? 1582 00:50:39,446 --> 00:50:39,946 DID HE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH 1583 00:50:39,946 --> 00:50:41,014 THAT FAMILY? 1584 00:50:41,014 --> 00:50:42,048 >> HE DIDN'T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP 1585 00:50:42,048 --> 00:50:42,582 WITH THAT FAMILY. 1586 00:50:42,582 --> 00:50:43,650 >> THERE WAS A PERSPECTIVE IN 1587 00:50:43,650 --> 00:50:44,684 THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY WERE 1588 00:50:44,684 --> 00:50:45,752 BEING MENACED BY SOMEBODY. 1589 00:50:45,752 --> 00:50:50,490 >> IT REALLY WAS A NEIGHBORHOOD 1590 00:50:50,490 --> 00:50:51,024 ON EDGE ON FEBRUARY 23rd 1591 00:50:51,024 --> 00:50:52,091 OF 2020. 1592 00:50:52,091 --> 00:50:53,159 >> WHY ON EDGE? 1593 00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:54,727 >> BECAUSE THE VOLUME OF THEFT 1594 00:50:54,727 --> 00:50:56,830 HAD BECOME A REAL ISSUE. 1595 00:50:56,830 --> 00:51:00,033 >> IN THE MONTHS FROM ABOUT 1596 00:51:00,033 --> 00:51:02,135 OCTOBER 2019 UP TO FEBRUARY 1597 00:51:02,135 --> 00:51:05,238 OF 2020, THERE HAD BEEN A REAL 1598 00:51:05,238 --> 00:51:07,340 UPTICK IN PROPERTY CRIMES IN THE 1599 00:51:07,340 --> 00:51:11,044 NEIGHBORHOOD. 1600 00:51:11,044 --> 00:51:12,111 >> DID TRAVIS EVER REPORT A 1601 00:51:12,111 --> 00:51:13,146 CRIME? 1602 00:51:13,146 --> 00:51:17,417 >> YES. 1603 00:51:17,417 --> 00:51:18,451 ON JANUARY 1, 2020 WHEN HIS GUN 1604 00:51:18,451 --> 00:51:19,486 WAS STOLEN OUT OF HIS CAR, HE 1605 00:51:19,486 --> 00:51:20,019 FILED A REPORT WITH THE POLICE. 1606 00:51:20,019 --> 00:51:22,155 POLICE RESPONDED AND THEY MADE A 1607 00:51:22,155 --> 00:51:22,655 REPORT. 1608 00:51:22,655 --> 00:51:23,723 >> DESPITE THE DEFENSE CLAIMS 1609 00:51:23,723 --> 00:51:24,791 THAT THERE WAS A SPIKE IN CRIME 1610 00:51:24,791 --> 00:51:26,359 IN THE SATILLA SHORES 1611 00:51:26,359 --> 00:51:28,461 NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PROSECUTION 1612 00:51:28,461 --> 00:51:30,563 ARGUES THAT IN REALITY THERE WAS 1613 00:51:30,563 --> 00:51:32,699 ONLY ONE OTHER BURGLARY CALL 1614 00:51:32,699 --> 00:51:39,539 BETWEEN JANUARY 2019 AND 1615 00:51:39,539 --> 00:51:40,640 FEBRUARY 23, 2020. 1616 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,243 AND IT WAS UNFOUNDED. 1617 00:51:43,243 --> 00:51:44,310 >> LARRY ENGLISH WAS THE 1618 00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:44,844 HOMEOWNER. 1619 00:51:44,844 --> 00:51:45,912 HE HAD A HOME UNDER CONSTRUCTION 1620 00:51:45,912 --> 00:51:46,946 IN SATILLA SHORES. 1621 00:51:46,946 --> 00:51:48,014 >> LARRY ENGLISH HAD REPORTED TO 1622 00:51:48,014 --> 00:51:49,582 A NEIGHBOR THAT ABOUT 1623 00:51:49,582 --> 00:51:52,752 $2,500 WORTH OF ELECTRONICS 1624 00:51:52,752 --> 00:51:53,820 EQUIPMENT HAD BEEN TAKEN FROM A 1625 00:51:53,820 --> 00:51:55,955 BOAT THAT WAS PARKED AT THE 1626 00:51:55,955 --> 00:51:56,990 HOUSE. 1627 00:51:56,990 --> 00:51:58,057 AND THAT'S WHEN HE DECIDED TO 1628 00:51:58,057 --> 00:51:59,092 GET MORE CAMERAS THERE. 1629 00:51:59,092 --> 00:52:00,693 >> LATER, HE'D COME TO REALIZE 1630 00:52:00,693 --> 00:52:02,262 THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE 1631 00:52:02,262 --> 00:52:04,364 WHERE THAT STUFF HAD GONE 1632 00:52:04,364 --> 00:52:05,431 MISSING, BUT TO THE RESIDENTS 1633 00:52:05,431 --> 00:52:09,135 THERE IN SATILLA SHORES, AND 1634 00:52:09,135 --> 00:52:10,970 SPECIFICALLY THE McMICHAELS, 1635 00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:11,838 THEY THOUGHT THAT STUFF HAD 1636 00:52:11,838 --> 00:52:12,572 DISAPPEARED FROM THAT 1637 00:52:12,572 --> 00:52:14,040 CONSTRUCTION SITE. 1638 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,143 >> LARRY ENGLISH HAD VIDEO 1639 00:52:17,143 --> 00:52:18,344 FOOTAGE SHOWING PEOPLE GOING IN 1640 00:52:18,344 --> 00:52:21,014 AND OUT, LIKE ANY CONSTRUCTION 1641 00:52:21,014 --> 00:52:25,985 SITE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 1642 00:52:25,985 --> 00:52:27,921 PEOPLE WOULD SORT OF JUST WANDER 1643 00:52:27,921 --> 00:52:27,987 AND LOOK TO SEE WHAT IS HOUSE 1644 00:52:27,987 --> 00:52:29,622 IS. 1645 00:52:29,622 --> 00:52:30,723 >> THERE WERE NO SIGNS UP THAT 1646 00:52:30,723 --> 00:52:31,758 SAYS NO TRESPASSING, THERE WERE 1647 00:52:31,758 --> 00:52:32,292 NO DOORS ON THE HOUSE AT THE 1648 00:52:32,292 --> 00:52:36,529 MOMENT. 1649 00:52:36,529 --> 00:52:38,631 WE SAW WHITE COUPLES THERE 1650 00:52:38,631 --> 00:52:39,165 SORT OF GO ON A DATE THERE AND 1651 00:52:39,165 --> 00:52:40,233 HANG OUT ON A PROPERTY. 1652 00:52:40,233 --> 00:52:41,267 WE SAW CHILDREN COMING TO PLAY 1653 00:52:41,267 --> 00:52:42,335 ON, IN THIS AREA OF INTEREST. 1654 00:52:42,335 --> 00:52:43,403 >> WE ALSO SAW FROM 1655 00:52:43,403 --> 00:52:44,470 LARRY ENGLISH'S VIDEOS A BLACK 1656 00:52:44,470 --> 00:52:45,505 MAN ON HIS PROPERTY ON THREE 1657 00:52:45,505 --> 00:52:46,039 DIFFERENT OCCASIONS. 1658 00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:49,208 AT THE TIME NO ONE KNEW WHO THAT 1659 00:52:49,208 --> 00:52:49,742 MAN WAS. 1660 00:52:49,742 --> 00:52:51,844 IT WAS LATER CONFIRMED THAT THE 1661 00:52:51,844 --> 00:52:52,912 MAN WAS AHMAUD ARBERY. 1662 00:52:52,912 --> 00:52:53,980 >> AHMAUD HAD BEEN IN THAT HOUSE 1663 00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:55,014 A COUPLE TIMES. 1664 00:52:55,014 --> 00:52:56,082 NOT REALLY PICKING UP ANYTHING, 1665 00:52:56,082 --> 00:52:58,184 NOT REALLY LOOKING LIKE HE 1666 00:52:58,184 --> 00:53:00,320 INTENDED TO DO ANYTHING, ALMOST 1667 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:00,820 IN THE SENSE OF BEING CURIOUS. 1668 00:53:00,820 --> 00:53:02,422 >> OVER THE MONTHS LEADING UP TO 1669 00:53:02,422 --> 00:53:03,489 THE SHOOTING, LARRY ENGLISH HAD 1670 00:53:03,489 --> 00:53:04,524 CALLED POLICE SEVERAL TIMES WHEN 1671 00:53:04,524 --> 00:53:05,525 HIS SECURITY CAMERAS WOULD ALERT 1672 00:53:05,525 --> 00:53:06,593 THAT SOMEBODY WAS ON HIS 1673 00:53:06,593 --> 00:53:07,627 PROPERTY. 1674 00:53:07,627 --> 00:53:08,695 >> THERE'S SOMEBODY BACK OVER 1675 00:53:08,695 --> 00:53:09,762 THERE ON THE PROPERTY AGAIN 1676 00:53:09,762 --> 00:53:11,864 TONIGHT. 1677 00:53:11,864 --> 00:53:13,466 IT'S A BLACK MALE NOT WEARING A 1678 00:53:13,466 --> 00:53:15,034 SHIRT, GOT TATTOOS ON HIS ARMS 1679 00:53:15,034 --> 00:53:16,102 AND A PAIR OF LIGHT COLORED 1680 00:53:16,102 --> 00:53:17,704 SHORTS. 1681 00:53:17,704 --> 00:53:21,908 LOOKS LIKE HE'S UP TO NO GOOD. 1682 00:53:21,908 --> 00:53:22,976 SOMEBODY IS ON THE PROPERTY AT 1683 00:53:22,976 --> 00:53:24,544 220 SATILLA DRIVE IN BRUNSWICK. 1684 00:53:24,544 --> 00:53:26,646 WHITE MALE AND WHITE FEMALE. 1685 00:53:26,646 --> 00:53:30,350 >> BY THE TIME THE POLICE GET 1686 00:53:30,350 --> 00:53:31,818 THERE, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE 1687 00:53:31,818 --> 00:53:32,285 GONE. 1688 00:53:32,285 --> 00:53:34,487 >> GLYNN COUNTY POLICE. 1689 00:53:34,487 --> 00:53:39,125 ANYBODY IN HERE? 1690 00:53:39,125 --> 00:53:41,227 >> SO ONE OFFICER TELLS 1691 00:53:41,227 --> 00:53:43,496 MR. ENGLISH THAT IF THIS HAPPENS 1692 00:53:43,496 --> 00:53:44,397 AGAIN, HE SHOULD CONTACT HIS 1693 00:53:44,397 --> 00:53:47,100 NEIGHBOR, GREG McMICHAEL. 1694 00:53:47,100 --> 00:53:47,600 >> DID THE FAMILIES KNOW EACH 1695 00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:48,668 OTHER? 1696 00:53:48,668 --> 00:53:49,736 >> NO. 1697 00:53:49,736 --> 00:53:50,770 GREG MCMICHAEL HAD NOT TALKED 1698 00:53:50,770 --> 00:53:51,304 DIRECTLY WITH LARRY ENGLISH, BUT 1699 00:53:51,304 --> 00:53:52,372 HE TALKED TO OTHER NEIGHBORS 1700 00:53:52,372 --> 00:53:53,406 ABOUT LARRY ENGLISH AND THE 1701 00:53:53,406 --> 00:53:53,940 PROBLEMS HE WAS HAVING WITH 1702 00:53:53,940 --> 00:53:57,076 INTRUDERS IN HIS HOME. 1703 00:53:57,076 --> 00:53:58,144 >> 911, WHAT'S THE ADDRESS OF 1704 00:53:58,144 --> 00:54:01,814 YOUR EMERGENCY? 1705 00:54:01,814 --> 00:54:03,383 >> UH, SATILLA DRIVE. 1706 00:54:03,383 --> 00:54:04,784 230 SATILLA DRIVE. 1707 00:54:04,784 --> 00:54:08,388 >> WHAT'S GOING ON? 1708 00:54:08,388 --> 00:54:09,455 >> I JUST CAUGHT A GUY RUNNING 1709 00:54:09,455 --> 00:54:10,490 INTO A HOUSE BEING BUILT TWO 1710 00:54:10,490 --> 00:54:13,693 HOUSES DOWN FROM ME. 1711 00:54:13,693 --> 00:54:14,727 >> ON FEBRUARY 11th, JUST 1712 00:54:14,727 --> 00:54:16,829 12 DAYS PRIOR, TRAVIS HAD LEFT 1713 00:54:16,829 --> 00:54:18,965 THE HOUSE TO GO PUT GAS IN HIS 1714 00:54:18,965 --> 00:54:19,999 CAR, AND AS HE DROVE PAST THE 1715 00:54:19,999 --> 00:54:21,567 ENGLISH HOUSE, HE SAW A FIGURE 1716 00:54:21,567 --> 00:54:23,703 IN THE YARD. 1717 00:54:23,703 --> 00:54:27,407 AND HE RECOGNIZED THE GUY. 1718 00:54:27,407 --> 00:54:28,474 HE THOUGHT, THAT'S THE GUY WE'VE 1719 00:54:28,474 --> 00:54:31,110 SEEN BEFORE ON THE VIDEO. 1720 00:54:31,110 --> 00:54:32,712 >> WHAT DID HE LOOK LIKE? 1721 00:54:32,712 --> 00:54:33,746 >> IT'S A BLACK MALE, RED SHIRT, 1722 00:54:33,746 --> 00:54:39,552 WHITE SHORTS. 1723 00:54:39,552 --> 00:54:40,620 WHEN I TURNED AROUND AND SAW HIM 1724 00:54:40,620 --> 00:54:41,688 AND BACKED UP, HE REACHED INTO 1725 00:54:41,688 --> 00:54:42,722 HIS POCKET, SO I DONT KNOW IF 1726 00:54:42,722 --> 00:54:43,790 HE'S ARMED OR NOT. 1727 00:54:43,790 --> 00:54:44,857 BUT HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS ACTING 1728 00:54:44,857 --> 00:54:45,391 LIKE HE WAS. 1729 00:54:45,391 --> 00:54:46,459 >> DO YOU THINK HE WAS THERE TO 1730 00:54:46,459 --> 00:54:46,959 BURGLARIZE THAT HOME? 1731 00:54:46,959 --> 00:54:48,027 >> OF COURSE NOT. 1732 00:54:48,027 --> 00:54:52,765 NO. 1733 00:54:52,765 --> 00:54:54,333 >> A LOT OF PEOPLE CANNOT 1734 00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:55,935 UNDERSTAND HOW DID A MAN LOSE 1735 00:54:55,935 --> 00:54:58,571 HIS LIFE WHEN THERE WAS NO 1736 00:54:58,571 --> 00:55:00,673 EVIDENCE OF A SERIOUS CRIME 1737 00:55:00,673 --> 00:55:01,741 BEING COMMITTED. 1738 00:55:01,741 --> 00:55:02,775 >> THAT'S THE WRONG QUESTION. 1739 00:55:02,775 --> 00:55:03,843 IT'S INACCURATE. 1740 00:55:03,843 --> 00:55:04,911 IT'S NOT CO ‐‐ 1741 00:55:04,911 --> 00:55:05,912 >> WHAT'S THE RIGHT QUESTION? 1742 00:55:05,912 --> 00:55:06,946 >> WHY DID AHMAUD ARBERY DECIDE 1743 00:55:06,946 --> 00:55:08,014 TO ATTACK TRAVIS HOLDING A 1744 00:55:08,014 --> 00:55:10,116 SHOTGUN? 1745 00:55:10,116 --> 00:55:11,684 BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT LED TO THE 1746 00:55:11,684 --> 00:55:13,820 LOSS OF AHMAUD ARBERY'S LIFE. 1747 00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:14,887 >> SO A GUY JUST ON A TRUCK 1748 00:55:14,887 --> 00:55:15,955 JUMPS OUT AND POINTS A SHOTGUN 1749 00:55:15,955 --> 00:55:18,558 AT YOU. 1750 00:55:18,558 --> 00:55:19,092 AND AHMAUD ARBERY IS SUPPOSED TO 1751 00:55:19,092 --> 00:55:21,227 JUST STOP? 1752 00:55:21,227 --> 00:55:27,567 >> THE AHMAUD ARBERY CASE IS NOT 1753 00:55:27,567 --> 00:55:28,601 ABOUT BLACK/WHITE. 1754 00:55:28,601 --> 00:55:29,669 IT'S ABOUT DOES A CITIZEN HAVE A 1755 00:55:29,669 --> 00:55:30,737 RIGHT TO PROTECT THEIR 1756 00:55:30,737 --> 00:55:31,771 NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN ULTIMATELY 1757 00:55:31,771 --> 00:55:32,305 HIMSELF? 1758 00:55:32,305 --> 00:55:33,372 >> WHEN YOU HEAR THAT THEY SAY 1759 00:55:33,372 --> 00:55:36,008 THAT RACE HAS NO BEARING ON THIS 1760 00:55:36,008 --> 00:55:37,076 CASE, WHAT IS YOUR REACTION? 1761 00:55:37,076 --> 00:55:42,348 >> THERE'S THREE MAN CHASING A 1762 00:55:42,348 --> 00:55:45,518 BLACK YOUNG MAN. 1763 00:55:45,518 --> 00:55:46,052 HE'S UNARMED, THEY HAVE WEAPONS, 1764 00:55:46,052 --> 00:55:46,552 THEY HAVE A TRUCK. 1765 00:55:46,552 --> 00:55:52,692 WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE? 1766 00:56:00,066 --> 00:56:02,168 >>> MY BOY WAS SHOT THREE TIMES. 1767 00:56:02,168 --> 00:56:03,236 TWO TIMES IN THE CHEST AND ONE 1768 00:56:03,236 --> 00:56:04,303 IN THE ARM. 1769 00:56:04,303 --> 00:56:05,338 AND YOU TELL ME THAT AIN'T HATE? 1770 00:56:05,338 --> 00:56:05,872 THIS IS RACIAL HATE CRIME. 1771 00:56:05,872 --> 00:56:08,508 IT'S HATE. 1772 00:56:08,508 --> 00:56:11,144 >> I AM A LIGHT! 1773 00:56:11,144 --> 00:56:12,211 >> I AM A LIGHT! 1774 00:56:12,211 --> 00:56:14,847 >> I AM A LIGHT! 1775 00:56:14,847 --> 00:56:15,381 LET'S TAKE OUR LIGHT AND LET'S 1776 00:56:15,381 --> 00:56:16,449 LIGHT UP THE STREETS OUT HERE. 1777 00:56:16,449 --> 00:56:19,585 >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS 1778 00:56:19,585 --> 00:56:20,653 CASE BRINGS TO LIGHT IS THE 1779 00:56:20,653 --> 00:56:23,256 EXTENT TO WHICH RACE AND RACISM 1780 00:56:23,256 --> 00:56:23,756 MANIFESTS ITSELF ON PEOPLE'S 1781 00:56:23,756 --> 00:56:26,392 BODIES. 1782 00:56:26,392 --> 00:56:27,460 THE AHMAUD ARBERY CASE IS REALLY 1783 00:56:27,460 --> 00:56:32,765 A HORRIBLE DEMONSTRATION OF 1784 00:56:32,765 --> 00:56:35,902 THAT. 1785 00:56:35,902 --> 00:56:36,969 THE EXTENT TO WHICH THIS BLACK 1786 00:56:36,969 --> 00:56:39,572 MAN WAS RUNNING THROUGH A 1787 00:56:39,572 --> 00:56:40,106 NEIGHBORHOOD, PEOPLE SAW HIM, 1788 00:56:40,106 --> 00:56:41,174 AND THEY RESPONDED TO HIM AS IF 1789 00:56:41,174 --> 00:56:41,707 HE WAS A THREAT. 1790 00:56:41,707 --> 00:56:43,810 >> IF YOU SEE A WHITE MAN 1791 00:56:43,810 --> 00:56:46,445 RUNNING YOU THINK, WELL, THERE'S 1792 00:56:46,445 --> 00:56:46,979 A JOGGER. 1793 00:56:46,979 --> 00:56:48,047 YOU HAVE THE ULTIMATE FREEDOM OF 1794 00:56:48,047 --> 00:56:49,115 MOVEMENT. 1795 00:56:49,115 --> 00:56:51,217 IF YOU SEE A BLACK MAN RUNNING, 1796 00:56:51,217 --> 00:56:52,819 I THINK YOU CALL INTO QUESTION 1797 00:56:52,819 --> 00:56:54,387 WHY HE'S RUNNING. 1798 00:56:54,387 --> 00:56:55,955 >> YOU CAN'T IGNORE RACE. 1799 00:56:55,955 --> 00:56:57,557 I MEAN, IF AHMAUD ARBERY WAS 1800 00:56:57,557 --> 00:56:58,591 WHITE, I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY 1801 00:56:58,591 --> 00:57:02,295 HE'D BE ALIVE. 1802 00:57:02,295 --> 00:57:03,830 >> WHAT DO WE WANT? 1803 00:57:03,830 --> 00:57:05,231 >> JUSTICE! 1804 00:57:05,231 --> 00:57:06,032 >> WHEN DO WE WANT IT? 1805 00:57:06,032 --> 00:57:06,399 >> NOW! 1806 00:57:06,399 --> 00:57:08,434 >> THIS WHOLE COMMUNITY IN 1807 00:57:08,434 --> 00:57:09,502 GLYNN COUNTY WAS ALREADY AFLAME 1808 00:57:09,502 --> 00:57:10,570 WITH ANGER, WITH CONCERN THAT 1809 00:57:10,570 --> 00:57:11,604 THIS WAS A HATE CRIME THAT HAD 1810 00:57:11,604 --> 00:57:14,774 HAPPENED IN THEIR OWN BACKYARD. 1811 00:57:14,774 --> 00:57:16,375 PEOPLE SAW THE VANITY PLATE ON 1812 00:57:16,375 --> 00:57:18,477 TRAVIS McMICHAEL'S TRUCK THAT 1813 00:57:18,477 --> 00:57:19,011 ALSO HAS A CONFEDERATE EMBLEM 1814 00:57:19,011 --> 00:57:20,580 ON IT. 1815 00:57:20,580 --> 00:57:22,648 SO EVERYBODY STARTED HAVING A 1816 00:57:22,648 --> 00:57:24,784 STORY ABOUT THE ALLEGED RACISM 1817 00:57:24,784 --> 00:57:30,022 OF THE McMICHAELS. 1818 00:57:30,022 --> 00:57:32,692 >> IS GREG McMICHAEL A RACIST? 1819 00:57:32,692 --> 00:57:34,794 >> WELL, WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION 1820 00:57:34,794 --> 00:57:35,862 OF RACIST? 1821 00:57:35,862 --> 00:57:36,896 >> IS HE SOMEBODY WHO IS 1822 00:57:36,896 --> 00:57:37,997 RACIALLY INTOLERANT? 1823 00:57:37,997 --> 00:57:41,367 >> NO. 1824 00:57:41,367 --> 00:57:42,401 >> NO. 1825 00:57:42,401 --> 00:57:45,471 IF IT MEANS, I HAVE A BELIEF AS 1826 00:57:45,471 --> 00:57:48,374 A WHITE PERSON, GREG McMICHAEL, 1827 00:57:48,374 --> 00:57:51,844 THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR 1828 00:57:51,844 --> 00:57:52,245 TO WHITE PEOPLE, NO. 1829 00:57:52,245 --> 00:57:54,914 HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THAT. 1830 00:57:54,914 --> 00:57:58,084 >> TRAVIS AND GREG McMICHAEL 1831 00:57:58,084 --> 00:57:59,652 HAD BEEN STEREOTYPED AS SOUTHERN 1832 00:57:59,652 --> 00:58:01,254 REDNECKS OUT TO KILL BLACK 1833 00:58:01,254 --> 00:58:01,787 PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S A SPORT, 1834 00:58:01,787 --> 00:58:02,822 AND THAT'S ‐‐ THERE'S NOTHING IN 1835 00:58:02,822 --> 00:58:03,356 THEIR BACKGROUND TO SUGGEST 1836 00:58:03,356 --> 00:58:07,059 THAT. 1837 00:58:07,059 --> 00:58:09,161 >> THERE'S A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING 1838 00:58:09,161 --> 00:58:10,229 OF THE POWER STRUCTURE IN THE 1839 00:58:10,229 --> 00:58:11,831 SOUTH. 1840 00:58:11,831 --> 00:58:13,933 WHITENESS IS ON TOP. 1841 00:58:13,933 --> 00:58:16,569 BLACKNESS IS SUBSERVIENT. 1842 00:58:16,569 --> 00:58:18,704 AND AHMAUD ARBERY BECAME AN 1843 00:58:18,704 --> 00:58:20,273 UNFORTUNATE CHAPTER IN THAT LONG 1844 00:58:20,273 --> 00:58:24,510 HISTORY OF SOUTHERN CULTURE. 1845 00:58:24,510 --> 00:58:28,180 >> WHAT WE HAVE IS A STRING 1846 00:58:28,180 --> 00:58:29,782 CONNECTING THE PAST AND PRESENT, 1847 00:58:29,782 --> 00:58:30,850 AND THAT STRING IS CITIZEN'S 1848 00:58:30,850 --> 00:58:32,418 ARREST. 1849 00:58:32,418 --> 00:58:35,054 >> THE CITIZEN'S ARREST LAW IN 1850 00:58:35,054 --> 00:58:36,622 GEORGIA ALLOWS A PRIVATE CITIZEN 1851 00:58:36,622 --> 00:58:40,860 TO, IF THEY OBSERVE A CRIME 1852 00:58:40,860 --> 00:58:41,928 BEING COMMITTED, ALLOWS THEM TO 1853 00:58:41,928 --> 00:58:42,962 DETAIN THAT PERSON UNTIL THE 1854 00:58:42,962 --> 00:58:45,097 POLICE ARRIVE. 1855 00:58:45,097 --> 00:58:46,699 >> THE HISTORY OF THE CITIZEN'S 1856 00:58:46,699 --> 00:58:48,834 ARREST STATUTE IN GEORGIA DATES 1857 00:58:48,834 --> 00:58:51,437 BACK TO THE CIVIL WAR ERA. 1858 00:58:51,437 --> 00:58:54,607 >> THEY PASSED THIS LAW TO 1859 00:58:54,607 --> 00:58:56,175 CONTROL ENSLAVED AFRICANS WHO 1860 00:58:56,175 --> 00:59:00,413 ARE TRYING TO FLEE. 1861 00:59:00,413 --> 00:59:02,515 IT EMPOWERS ANY WHITE PERSON 1862 00:59:02,515 --> 00:59:03,582 TO BASICALLY STOP ANY BLACK 1863 00:59:03,582 --> 00:59:08,354 PERSON AND ARREST THEM. 1864 00:59:08,354 --> 00:59:10,990 IN THE AFTERMATH OF SLAVERY, 1865 00:59:10,990 --> 00:59:13,125 1865, BLACK PEOPLE WERE IN THIS 1866 00:59:13,125 --> 00:59:17,330 SORT OF STRANGE POSITION. 1867 00:59:17,330 --> 00:59:19,966 NEWLY FREED IN THE SOUTH, 1868 00:59:19,966 --> 00:59:20,466 AND THEN, BY THE 1880s, THAT 1869 00:59:20,466 --> 00:59:25,705 HOPE TURNED INTO TERROR. 1870 00:59:25,705 --> 00:59:26,238 SEGREGATION, LYNCHING, THE KLAN, 1871 00:59:26,238 --> 00:59:27,840 ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE ROOTED 1872 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,408 IN A SET OF RACIST PRACTICES 1873 00:59:29,408 --> 00:59:30,977 THAT WERE ABOUT ORGANIZING WHERE 1874 00:59:30,977 --> 00:59:32,078 BLACK PEOPLE COULD AND COULD NOT 1875 00:59:32,078 --> 00:59:34,146 GO. 1876 00:59:34,146 --> 00:59:36,816 >> THE CITIZEN'S ARREST LAWS 1877 00:59:36,816 --> 00:59:44,190 ESSENTIALLY BECOME COVER FOR THE 1878 00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:45,257 LYNCHING OF THOUSANDS OF AFRICAN 1879 00:59:45,257 --> 00:59:46,325 AMERICANS IN GEORGIA AND IN THE 1880 00:59:46,325 --> 00:59:51,597 AMERICAN SOUTH. 1881 00:59:51,597 --> 00:59:54,767 >> IN MAY OF 2021, THE STATE OF 1882 00:59:54,767 --> 00:59:55,835 GEORGIA AMENDED ITS CITIZEN'S 1883 00:59:55,835 --> 00:59:57,403 ARREST LAW, DRAMATICALLY 1884 00:59:57,403 --> 00:59:58,471 LIMITING ITS USE. 1885 00:59:58,471 --> 00:59:59,505 >> I THINK THE STATE OF GEORGIA 1886 00:59:59,505 --> 01:00:00,573 IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT 1887 01:00:00,573 --> 01:00:01,607 DIRECTION. 1888 01:00:01,607 --> 01:00:03,209 UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD TO LOSE MY 1889 01:00:03,209 --> 01:00:04,243 SON TO GET SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. 1890 01:00:04,243 --> 01:00:07,413 BUT AGAIN I'M STILL THANKFUL. 1891 01:00:07,413 --> 01:00:08,481 >> WANDA, SHE DOESN'T WANT JUST 1892 01:00:08,481 --> 01:00:10,082 JUSTICE, BUT SHE WANTS CHANGE. 1893 01:00:10,082 --> 01:00:11,650 THE DEMAND FOR A HATE CRIMES LAW 1894 01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:12,718 GREW LOUDER AFTER THE KILLING OF 1895 01:00:12,718 --> 01:00:15,888 AHMAUD ARBERY IN SOUTH GEORGIA. 1896 01:00:15,888 --> 01:00:16,922 >> IT WAS SUFFICIENT TO MOVE THE 1897 01:00:16,922 --> 01:00:18,524 GEORGIA LEGISLATURE, ONE OF THE 1898 01:00:18,524 --> 01:00:21,193 MOST CONSERVATIVE LEGISLATURES 1899 01:00:21,193 --> 01:00:21,627 IN THE COUNTRY, TO ENACT A HATE 1900 01:00:21,627 --> 01:00:24,296 CRIME LAW. 1901 01:00:24,296 --> 01:00:25,331 >> AHMAUD ARBERY'S LIFE 1902 01:00:25,331 --> 01:00:26,899 MATTERED. 1903 01:00:26,899 --> 01:00:33,239 NOT ONLY DID IT MATTER TO THOSE 1904 01:00:33,239 --> 01:00:34,306 WHO KNEW HIM AND LOVED HIM, IT 1905 01:00:34,306 --> 01:00:34,840 ALSO MATTERED TO STATE LAW IN 1906 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,875 GEORGIA. 1907 01:00:35,875 --> 01:00:37,476 AND NOTHING CAN CHANGE THAT. 1908 01:00:37,476 --> 01:00:39,578 >> GREG AND TRAVIS McMICHAEL DID 1909 01:00:39,578 --> 01:00:41,714 NOT SET OUT TO KILL ANYBODY. 1910 01:00:41,714 --> 01:00:43,282 THEY SET OUT TO DETAIN 1911 01:00:43,282 --> 01:00:44,350 AHMAUD ARBERY UNTIL POLICE COULD 1912 01:00:44,350 --> 01:00:48,020 ARRIVE. 1913 01:00:48,020 --> 01:00:48,554 >> WE SEE HIM COMIE AROUND THE 1914 01:00:48,554 --> 01:00:49,088 CORNER. 1915 01:00:49,088 --> 01:00:52,758 HE'S GOING DOWN HERE. 1916 01:00:52,758 --> 01:00:55,094 WE PULL UP BESIDE HIM. 1917 01:00:55,094 --> 01:00:56,062 HEY, STOP, STOP. 1918 01:00:56,062 --> 01:00:57,096 WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU. 1919 01:00:57,096 --> 01:00:57,630 AND HE JUST KEEPS ON RUNNING. 1920 01:00:57,630 --> 01:00:59,198 >> AND ARBERY IS SUPPOSED TO 1921 01:00:59,198 --> 01:01:00,833 KNOW THAT THESE ARE CITIZENS WHO 1922 01:01:00,833 --> 01:01:01,333 ARE MAKING A CITIZENS' ARREST? 1923 01:01:01,333 --> 01:01:03,436 HE'S SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT? 1924 01:01:03,436 --> 01:01:06,605 >> WHAT AHMAUD ARBERY KNOWS IS, 1925 01:01:06,605 --> 01:01:07,673 I'VE NOW BEEN CAUGHT, AFTER 1926 01:01:07,673 --> 01:01:08,207 HAVING BEEN IN THAT HOME. 1927 01:01:08,207 --> 01:01:09,241 >> DID POLICE FIND ANYTHING ON 1928 01:01:09,241 --> 01:01:09,775 HIS BODY THAT HAD BEEN STOLEN? 1929 01:01:09,775 --> 01:01:10,309 >> NO. 1930 01:01:10,309 --> 01:01:11,377 >> NO. 1931 01:01:11,377 --> 01:01:12,411 >> WAS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE 1932 01:01:12,411 --> 01:01:13,479 HOME THAT HE SEEMED TO BE 1933 01:01:13,479 --> 01:01:13,979 CARRYING AT SOME POINT? 1934 01:01:13,979 --> 01:01:16,649 >> NO. 1935 01:01:16,649 --> 01:01:18,651 >> I TOLD HIM TO STOP, STOP, 1936 01:01:18,651 --> 01:01:19,819 STOP, UNTIL HE HIT ME. 1937 01:01:19,819 --> 01:01:20,886 I HAD NOTHING TO DO. 1938 01:01:20,886 --> 01:01:21,854 I COULDN'T ‐‐ JUST NOTHING ELSE 1939 01:01:21,854 --> 01:01:23,422 I COULD DO. 1940 01:01:23,422 --> 01:01:23,956 >> GREG CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT 1941 01:01:23,956 --> 01:01:25,024 AHMAUD ARBERY TO GET HURT OR 1942 01:01:25,024 --> 01:01:25,558 KILLED. 1943 01:01:25,558 --> 01:01:27,126 THAT WAS NOT HIS HOPE OR 1944 01:01:27,126 --> 01:01:27,660 INTENTION. 1945 01:01:27,660 --> 01:01:29,795 AND SO YEAH, THAT'S A TRAGEDY. 1946 01:01:29,795 --> 01:01:31,864 HE SEES IT AS A TRAGEDY. 1947 01:01:31,864 --> 01:01:32,932 >> A TRAGEDY THAT HE AND HIS SON 1948 01:01:32,932 --> 01:01:35,568 SET IN MOTION. 1949 01:01:35,568 --> 01:01:37,670 >> WELL, ONE MIGHT SAY A TRAGEDY 1950 01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:39,271 THAT AHMAUD ARBERY SET IN 1951 01:01:39,271 --> 01:01:41,907 MOTION. 1952 01:01:41,907 --> 01:01:42,942 >> AHMAUD ARBERY SET IN MOTION 1953 01:01:42,942 --> 01:01:44,009 BY BEING IN A HOME THAT WASN'T 1954 01:01:44,009 --> 01:01:48,848 HIS. 1955 01:01:48,848 --> 01:01:49,915 ON THE 5th DAY OF THE TRIAL, 1956 01:01:49,915 --> 01:01:50,950 KEVIN GOUGH DROPS A BOMBSHELL OF 1957 01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:54,653 A COMMENT. 1958 01:01:54,653 --> 01:01:55,721 >> AND IF THEIR PASTOR'S 1959 01:01:55,721 --> 01:01:56,222 AL SHARPTON RIGHT NOW, THAT'S 1960 01:01:56,222 --> 01:01:57,289 FINE. 1961 01:01:57,289 --> 01:01:58,357 BUT THEN THAT'S IT. 1962 01:01:58,357 --> 01:01:58,858 WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE BLACK 1963 01:01:58,858 --> 01:01:59,925 PASTORS COMING IN HERE. 1964 01:01:59,925 --> 01:02:00,993 >> IF A BUNCH OF FOLKS CAME IN 1965 01:02:00,993 --> 01:02:01,527 HERE DRESSED LIKE 1966 01:02:01,527 --> 01:02:05,231 COLONEL SANDERS WITH WHITE MASKS 1967 01:02:05,231 --> 01:02:11,637 SITTING IN THE BACK ‐‐ 1968 01:02:16,308 --> 01:02:17,877 >>> TONIGHT, JURY SELECTION IS 1969 01:02:17,877 --> 01:02:18,944 ABOUT TO GET UNDERWAY IN THE 1970 01:02:18,944 --> 01:02:20,012 MURDER TRIAL OF THREE WHITE 1971 01:02:20,012 --> 01:02:21,046 GEORGIA MEN FOR THE FATAL 1972 01:02:21,046 --> 01:02:23,082 SHOOTING OF AHMAUD ARBERY. 1973 01:02:23,082 --> 01:02:24,150 >> THIS JURY SELECTION WAS 1974 01:02:24,150 --> 01:02:25,217 UNLIKE ANYTHING THAT SOUTHEAST 1975 01:02:25,217 --> 01:02:25,718 GEORGIA HAD SEEN. 1976 01:02:25,718 --> 01:02:27,820 1,000 PEOPLE WERE SUMMONED IN 1977 01:02:27,820 --> 01:02:30,489 ORDER TO PICK A POOL TO WHITTLE 1978 01:02:30,489 --> 01:02:34,693 IT DOWN TO A JURY PANEL OF 12. 1979 01:02:34,693 --> 01:02:37,329 >> WE COME HERE TODAY FOCUSED ON 1980 01:02:37,329 --> 01:02:38,397 GETTING JUSTICE, BECAUSE YOU 1981 01:02:38,397 --> 01:02:41,567 CANNOT LYNCH A BLACK MAN IN 1982 01:02:41,567 --> 01:02:43,669 AMERICA IN 2021 AND THINK IT 1983 01:02:43,669 --> 01:02:45,804 WOULD BE HANDLED THE SAME WAY 1984 01:02:45,804 --> 01:02:48,807 THAT WE HANDLED MATTERS BACK 1985 01:02:48,807 --> 01:02:50,442 IN THE 1950s. 1986 01:02:50,442 --> 01:02:54,146 >> NO ONE KNEW WHAT THE FINAL 1987 01:02:54,146 --> 01:02:55,181 MAKEUP OF THAT JURY, PLUS THE 1988 01:02:55,181 --> 01:02:56,248 ALTERNATES, WERE UNTIL THE 1989 01:02:56,248 --> 01:02:59,418 SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, 1990 01:02:59,418 --> 01:02:59,985 LINDA DUNIKOSKI, STOOD UP. 1991 01:02:59,985 --> 01:03:01,020 AND IT WAS A BOMBSHELL. 1992 01:03:01,020 --> 01:03:04,590 >> AFRICAN AMERICAN JURORS MADE 1993 01:03:04,590 --> 01:03:07,426 UP ONE QUARTER OF THE JURY 1994 01:03:07,426 --> 01:03:07,726 PANEL. 1995 01:03:07,726 --> 01:03:09,461 BUT THE ACTUAL JURY THAT WAS 1996 01:03:09,461 --> 01:03:10,262 SELECTED HAS ONLY ONE 1997 01:03:10,262 --> 01:03:14,533 AFRICAN‐AMERICAN MALE ON IT. 1998 01:03:14,533 --> 01:03:15,568 >> OF THE 12 AFRICAN AMERICANS 1999 01:03:15,568 --> 01:03:17,703 IN THE POOL, THE DEFENSE HAD 2000 01:03:17,703 --> 01:03:19,805 STRUCK 11 OF THE 12. 2001 01:03:19,805 --> 01:03:20,839 >> TO A LOT OF PEOPLE THIS 2002 01:03:20,839 --> 01:03:21,840 LOOKED LIKE THE EPITOME OF 2003 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:22,908 DISCRIMINATION, ESPECIALLY WHEN 2004 01:03:22,908 --> 01:03:24,476 YOU CONSIDER THAT NEARLY 27% OF 2005 01:03:24,476 --> 01:03:26,078 GLYNN COUNTY IS BLACK. 2006 01:03:26,078 --> 01:03:28,180 >> THIS COURT HAS FOUND THAT 2007 01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:29,748 THERE APPEARS TO BE INTENTIONAL 2008 01:03:29,748 --> 01:03:31,350 DISCRIMINATION IN THE PANEL. 2009 01:03:31,350 --> 01:03:33,986 QUITE A FEW AFRICAN AMERICAN 2010 01:03:33,986 --> 01:03:36,088 JURORS WERE EXCUSED THROUGH 2011 01:03:36,088 --> 01:03:37,690 PREEMPTORY STRIKES EXERCISED BY 2012 01:03:37,690 --> 01:03:41,894 THE DEFENSE, BUT THAT DOESN'T 2013 01:03:41,894 --> 01:03:42,428 MEAN THE COURT HAS THE AUTHORITY 2014 01:03:42,428 --> 01:03:43,495 TO RESEAT. 2015 01:03:43,495 --> 01:03:45,064 >> IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC 2016 01:03:45,064 --> 01:03:46,665 OPINION, IT JUST DIDN'T SIT WELL 2017 01:03:46,665 --> 01:03:48,234 WITH MANY OF THE LEADERS IN THE 2018 01:03:48,234 --> 01:03:49,835 COMMUNITY THAT THIS JURY WOULD 2019 01:03:49,835 --> 01:03:51,437 NOT ACCURATELY REFLECT THE 2020 01:03:51,437 --> 01:03:51,971 COMMUNITY WHERE AHMAUD ARBERY 2021 01:03:51,971 --> 01:03:57,243 WAS KILLED. 2022 01:03:57,243 --> 01:03:58,811 >> WE'RE GOING TO TURN NOW TO 2023 01:03:58,811 --> 01:04:00,412 THE VERY DIFFICULT START TO THE 2024 01:04:00,412 --> 01:04:01,981 TRIAL IN THE AHMAUD ARBERY CASE 2025 01:04:01,981 --> 01:04:03,582 TODAY, THE EMOTIONAL SCENE 2026 01:04:03,582 --> 01:04:04,116 INSIDE THAT COURTROOM IN 2027 01:04:04,116 --> 01:04:05,718 GEORGIA. 2028 01:04:05,718 --> 01:04:08,854 >> WHY ARE WE HERE? 2029 01:04:08,854 --> 01:04:10,990 WE ARE HERE BECAUSE OF 2030 01:04:10,990 --> 01:04:12,024 ASSUMPTIONS AND DRIVEWAY 2031 01:04:12,024 --> 01:04:16,795 DECISIONS. 2032 01:04:16,795 --> 01:04:17,830 >> THE SPECIAL PROSECUTOR, 2033 01:04:17,830 --> 01:04:18,897 LINDA DONIKOSKI, GOT UP AND 2034 01:04:18,897 --> 01:04:23,369 TALKED FOR NEARLY AN 2035 01:04:23,369 --> 01:04:24,436 HOUR AND A HALF, LAYING OUT 2036 01:04:24,436 --> 01:04:25,504 SLOWLY AND PIECE BY PIECE WHAT 2037 01:04:25,504 --> 01:04:26,538 SHE THOUGHT THIS JURY SHOULD 2038 01:04:26,538 --> 01:04:30,042 KNOW. 2039 01:04:30,042 --> 01:04:34,480 >> GREG McMICHAEL IS IN FRONT OF 2040 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:35,514 230 SATILLA DRIVE, HE'S ALL 2041 01:04:35,514 --> 01:04:36,582 ALONE, AND HE SEES MR. ARBERY 2042 01:04:36,582 --> 01:04:37,082 RUNNING REALLY, REALLY FAST DOWN 2043 01:04:37,082 --> 01:04:38,150 THE STREET. 2044 01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:39,218 HE ACTUALLY USES THE WORDS, 2045 01:04:39,218 --> 01:04:40,286 "HAULING ASS." 2046 01:04:40,286 --> 01:04:41,320 LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS 2047 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:42,888 DRIVEWAY DECISION NUMBER 1. 2048 01:04:42,888 --> 01:04:46,592 AND WHAT DOES HE DECIDE TO DO? 2049 01:04:46,592 --> 01:04:49,261 HE RUNS INSIDE TO GET HIS GUN. 2050 01:04:49,261 --> 01:04:50,296 HE'S ASSUMED THE WORST AND HAS 2051 01:04:50,296 --> 01:04:51,330 ABSOLUTELY NO IMMEDIATE 2052 01:04:51,330 --> 01:04:52,398 KNOWLEDGE OF ANY CRIME 2053 01:04:52,398 --> 01:04:54,533 WHATSOEVER. 2054 01:04:54,533 --> 01:04:57,703 >> THAT REALLY SET THE TONE FOR 2055 01:04:57,703 --> 01:04:59,305 THIS ENTIRE CASE, THAT THIS JURY 2056 01:04:59,305 --> 01:05:01,407 NEEDED TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT 2057 01:05:01,407 --> 01:05:02,441 THE DEFENDANTS DIDN'T HAVE ANY 2058 01:05:02,441 --> 01:05:04,576 CONCRETE EVIDENCE WHEN THEY 2059 01:05:04,576 --> 01:05:06,679 DECIDED TO GO CHASE AND 2060 01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:08,280 ULTIMATELY KILL AHMAUD ARBERY. 2061 01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,848 TRAVIS McMICHAEL MADE THE 2062 01:05:09,848 --> 01:05:11,984 DECISION, A KNOWING INTELLIGENT 2063 01:05:11,984 --> 01:05:15,654 DECISION, TO PICK UP A REMINGTON 2064 01:05:15,654 --> 01:05:16,722 12‐GAUGE SHOTGUN AND GO WITH HIS 2065 01:05:16,722 --> 01:05:18,824 FATHER AND GET IN HIS PICKUP 2066 01:05:18,824 --> 01:05:21,960 TRUCK TO GO AFTER MR. ARBERY. 2067 01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:27,766 DRIVEWAY DECISION NUMBER 2. 2068 01:05:27,766 --> 01:05:30,903 AND THEN MR. BRYAN MAKES HIS 2069 01:05:30,903 --> 01:05:31,470 DRIVEWAY DECISION, AND HE JOINS 2070 01:05:31,470 --> 01:05:32,504 THE McMICHAELS IN CHASING DOWN 2071 01:05:32,504 --> 01:05:33,572 MR. ARBERY. 2072 01:05:33,572 --> 01:05:38,310 GREG McMICHAEL SAID IT 2073 01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:39,378 PERFECTLY ‐‐ MR. ARBERY WAS 2074 01:05:39,378 --> 01:05:40,412 TRAPPED LIKE A RAT. 2075 01:05:40,412 --> 01:05:42,548 THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD THE POLICE. 2076 01:05:42,548 --> 01:05:44,116 TRAPPED LIKE A RAT. 2077 01:05:44,116 --> 01:05:45,718 >> THE DEFENSE, THROUGH THEIR 2078 01:05:45,718 --> 01:05:47,820 OPENING STATEMENTS, MADE IT VERY 2079 01:05:47,820 --> 01:05:49,388 CLEAR THAT THEY BELIEVE THE 2080 01:05:49,388 --> 01:05:50,489 McMICHAELS WERE DEFENDING THEIR 2081 01:05:50,489 --> 01:05:53,625 NEIGHBORHOOD. 2082 01:05:53,625 --> 01:05:55,227 >> THIS CASE IS ABOUT DUTY 2083 01:05:55,227 --> 01:05:58,897 AND RESPONSIBILITY. 2084 01:05:58,897 --> 01:05:59,965 IT'S ABOUT TRAVIS McMICHAEL'S 2085 01:05:59,965 --> 01:06:04,703 DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO 2086 01:06:04,703 --> 01:06:05,804 HIMSELF. 2087 01:06:05,804 --> 01:06:06,839 TO HIS FAMILY AND TO HIS 2088 01:06:06,839 --> 01:06:11,577 NEIGHBORHOOD. 2089 01:06:11,577 --> 01:06:16,815 >> THEY CONTINUOUSLY USED THE 2090 01:06:16,815 --> 01:06:18,517 ARGUMENTS OF CITIZENS ARREST AND 2091 01:06:18,517 --> 01:06:20,119 SELF‐DEFENSE, HIGHLIGHTING THE 2092 01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:22,121 VIDEO DOESN'T TELL THE WHOLE 2093 01:06:22,121 --> 01:06:23,188 STORY. 2094 01:06:23,188 --> 01:06:24,256 >> TRAVIS HAS NO CHOICE BUT TO 2095 01:06:24,256 --> 01:06:24,757 FIRE HIS WEAPON IN SELF‐DEFENSE. 2096 01:06:24,757 --> 01:06:26,892 HE'S ON TRAVIS AND TRAVIS HAS TO 2097 01:06:26,892 --> 01:06:27,393 FIRE. 2098 01:06:27,393 --> 01:06:30,162 BECAUSE AT THAT POINT IT'S HIS 2099 01:06:30,162 --> 01:06:31,764 LIFE OR AHMAUD ARBERY'S LUF. 2100 01:06:31,764 --> 01:06:32,331 >> AS THE STATE WENT ON 2101 01:06:32,331 --> 01:06:34,466 PRESENTING ITS CASE, THEY PLAYED 2102 01:06:34,466 --> 01:06:36,068 FOR THE JURY THAT VIDEO RECORDED 2103 01:06:36,068 --> 01:06:38,270 BY RODDIE BRYAN. 2104 01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:38,771 >> MR. ARBERY RAN AWAY FROM 2105 01:06:38,771 --> 01:06:40,873 THESE THREE DEFENDANTS IN THEIR 2106 01:06:40,873 --> 01:06:43,008 PICKUP TRUCKS FOR FIVE MINUTES. 2107 01:06:43,008 --> 01:06:44,576 >> MARCUS ARBERY, AHMAUD'S 2108 01:06:44,576 --> 01:06:47,780 FATHER, WALKED OUT OF COURT. 2109 01:06:47,780 --> 01:06:48,814 HE DIDN'T WANT TO SEE IT. 2110 01:06:48,814 --> 01:06:51,450 WANDA COOPER‐JONES SAT IN THE 2111 01:06:51,450 --> 01:06:54,086 BACK CORNER OF THAT COURTROOM, 2112 01:06:54,086 --> 01:06:55,154 AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, SAW THE 2113 01:06:55,154 --> 01:06:55,687 COMPLETE VIDEO OF HER SON BEING 2114 01:06:55,687 --> 01:07:02,528 SHOT. 2115 01:07:02,528 --> 01:07:03,595 >> I AVOIDED THE VIDEO FOR THE 2116 01:07:03,595 --> 01:07:05,197 LAST 18 MONTHS. 2117 01:07:05,197 --> 01:07:06,799 I THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO GET 2118 01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:07,833 FAMILIAR WITH WHAT HAPPENED TO 2119 01:07:07,833 --> 01:07:08,901 AHMAUD. 2120 01:07:08,901 --> 01:07:09,935 I'M GLAD I WAS ABLE TO STAY 2121 01:07:09,935 --> 01:07:12,070 STRONG AND STAY IN THERE. 2122 01:07:12,070 --> 01:07:18,410 >> AT THIS TIME, THE STATE CALLS 2123 01:07:18,410 --> 01:07:19,445 OFFICER JEFFERY BRANDENBERRY. 2124 01:07:19,445 --> 01:07:20,546 >> THE PROSECUTION CALLS TO THE 2125 01:07:20,546 --> 01:07:21,580 WITNESS STAND THE GLYNN COUNTY 2126 01:07:21,580 --> 01:07:25,217 POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARRIVED ON 2127 01:07:25,217 --> 01:07:26,251 THE SCENE AFTER AHMAUD HAD BEEN 2128 01:07:26,251 --> 01:07:27,319 SHOT. 2129 01:07:27,319 --> 01:07:28,353 >> DID GREG McMICHAEL EVER 2130 01:07:28,353 --> 01:07:29,421 INDICATE TO YOU AT THAT TIME 2131 01:07:29,421 --> 01:07:29,988 THAT HE THOUGHT AHMAUD ARBERY, 2132 01:07:29,988 --> 01:07:31,023 THE GUY, HAD COMMITTED A CRIME 2133 01:07:31,023 --> 01:07:32,057 THAT DAY? 2134 01:07:32,057 --> 01:07:33,125 >> NO, MA'AM. 2135 01:07:33,125 --> 01:07:33,659 >> WHILE SPEAKING WITH YOU, DID 2136 01:07:33,659 --> 01:07:37,863 GREG McMICHAEL EVER USE THE 2137 01:07:37,863 --> 01:07:38,964 WORD "BURGLARY"? 2138 01:07:38,964 --> 01:07:40,532 >> NO, MA'AM. 2139 01:07:40,532 --> 01:07:41,066 >> DID HE EVER USE THE WORD 2140 01:07:41,066 --> 01:07:42,134 "TRESPASS"? 2141 01:07:42,134 --> 01:07:42,634 >> NO, MA'AM. 2142 01:07:42,634 --> 01:07:43,702 >> DID HE EVER TELL YOU WHILE 2143 01:07:43,702 --> 01:07:44,770 YOU'RE TALKING TO HIM THAT HE 2144 01:07:44,770 --> 01:07:45,804 WAS ATTEMPTING TO MAKE A 2145 01:07:45,804 --> 01:07:46,338 CITIZEN'S ARREST? 2146 01:07:46,338 --> 01:07:48,474 >> NO, MA'AM. 2147 01:07:48,474 --> 01:07:51,109 >> DID HE EVER EVEN USE THE 2148 01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:52,144 WORD "ARREST"? 2149 01:07:52,144 --> 01:07:52,678 >> NO, MA'AM. 2150 01:07:52,678 --> 01:07:54,279 >> DID YOU EVER EVEN USE THE 2151 01:07:54,279 --> 01:07:55,314 WORD "DETAIN"? 2152 01:07:55,314 --> 01:07:55,848 >> NO, MA'AM. 2153 01:07:55,848 --> 01:07:56,915 >> THE DEFENSE IS GOING TO HAVE 2154 01:07:56,915 --> 01:07:57,950 TO PROVE THAT THEY SUSPECTED 2155 01:07:57,950 --> 01:07:59,017 AHMAUD WAS COMMITTING A FELONY 2156 01:07:59,017 --> 01:08:00,085 IN ORDER FOR THE McMICHAELS TO 2157 01:08:00,085 --> 01:08:01,653 CLAIM THEY WERE TRYING TO MAKE A 2158 01:08:01,653 --> 01:08:03,255 CITIZEN'S ARREST. 2159 01:08:03,255 --> 01:08:03,789 >> ONE MATTER THAT I WANTED TO 2160 01:08:03,789 --> 01:08:04,823 ADDRESS. 2161 01:08:04,823 --> 01:08:06,391 >> ON THE FIFTH DAY OF THE 2162 01:08:06,391 --> 01:08:08,527 TRIAL, WITHOUT THE JURY PRESENT, 2163 01:08:08,527 --> 01:08:09,595 KEVIN GOUGH MAKES A BOMBSHELL 2164 01:08:09,595 --> 01:08:12,764 OF A COMMENT. 2165 01:08:12,764 --> 01:08:14,867 >> THE RIGHT REVEREND 2166 01:08:14,867 --> 01:08:15,934 AL SHARPTON MANAGED TO FIND HIS 2167 01:08:15,934 --> 01:08:17,002 WAY INTO THE BACK OF THE 2168 01:08:17,002 --> 01:08:18,036 COURTROOM. 2169 01:08:18,036 --> 01:08:18,570 IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING HIGH 2170 01:08:18,570 --> 01:08:20,138 PROFILE MEMBERS OF THE 2171 01:08:20,138 --> 01:08:21,206 AFRICAN‐AMERICAN COMMUNITY INTO 2172 01:08:21,206 --> 01:08:22,207 THE COURTROOM TO SIT WITH THE 2173 01:08:22,207 --> 01:08:23,775 FAMILY DURING THE TRIAL IN THE 2174 01:08:23,775 --> 01:08:24,843 PRESENCE OF THE JURY, I BELIEVE 2175 01:08:24,843 --> 01:08:25,878 THAT'S INTIMIDATING AND IT'S AN 2176 01:08:25,878 --> 01:08:29,047 ATTEMPT TO PRESSURE. 2177 01:08:29,047 --> 01:08:30,115 AND IF THEIR PASTOR'S 2178 01:08:30,115 --> 01:08:30,649 AL SHARPTON RIGHT NOW, THAT'S 2179 01:08:30,649 --> 01:08:31,717 FINE. 2180 01:08:31,717 --> 01:08:32,751 BUT THEN THAT'S IT. 2181 01:08:32,751 --> 01:08:33,819 WE DON'T WANT ANY MORE BLACK 2182 01:08:33,819 --> 01:08:35,954 PASTORS COMING IN HERE. 2183 01:08:35,954 --> 01:08:36,989 IF A BUNCH OF FOLKS CAME IN HERE 2184 01:08:36,989 --> 01:08:37,523 DRESSED LIKE COLONEL SANDERS 2185 01:08:37,523 --> 01:08:40,492 WITH WHITE MASKS SITTING IN THE 2186 01:08:40,492 --> 01:08:41,293 BACK, THAT WOULD BE ‐‐ 2187 01:08:41,293 --> 01:08:45,497 >> THAT STATEMENT WAS TOTALLY 2188 01:08:45,497 --> 01:08:46,031 ASININE, RIDICULOUS. 2189 01:08:46,031 --> 01:08:47,099 THIS CASE IS NOT ABOUT RACISM OR 2190 01:08:47,099 --> 01:08:48,700 RACIST MOTIVES, THIS IS JUST A 2191 01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:52,905 NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOME PEOPLE 2192 01:08:52,905 --> 01:08:53,472 TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY COULD 2193 01:08:53,472 --> 01:08:54,506 TO STOP THE CRIME IN THE 2194 01:08:54,506 --> 01:08:55,007 NEIGHBORHOOD. 2195 01:08:55,007 --> 01:08:56,608 >> THE DEFENSE INSISTS IT'S NOT 2196 01:08:56,608 --> 01:08:57,676 ABOUT RACE, BUT EVERYWHERE YOU 2197 01:08:57,676 --> 01:08:58,744 LOOK, EVERY TIME YOU TRY TO GET 2198 01:08:58,744 --> 01:08:59,778 AWAY FROM RACE, RACE COMES BACK 2199 01:08:59,778 --> 01:09:00,846 IN. 2200 01:09:00,846 --> 01:09:04,016 >> I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH A MORE 2201 01:09:04,016 --> 01:09:05,050 SPECIFIC MOTION ON MONDAY, AND 2202 01:09:05,050 --> 01:09:06,118 MY APOLOGIES TO ANYONE THAT 2203 01:09:06,118 --> 01:09:10,889 MIGHT HAVE BEEN OFFENDED. 2204 01:09:10,889 --> 01:09:11,924 >> KEVIN GOUGH GAVE WHAT HE 2205 01:09:11,924 --> 01:09:12,991 CALLED AN APOLOGY, BUT IT WASN'T 2206 01:09:12,991 --> 01:09:14,059 TAKEN THAT WAY BY A LOT OF 2207 01:09:14,059 --> 01:09:14,593 PEOPLE. 2208 01:09:14,593 --> 01:09:17,429 >> HE SPOKE HIS MIND. 2209 01:09:17,429 --> 01:09:18,897 ACTUALLY, HE SPOKE HIS HEART. 2210 01:09:18,897 --> 01:09:21,600 >> ALL RISE FOR THE JURORS. 2211 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,067 >> AFTER THE STATE RESTED, THE 2212 01:09:22,067 --> 01:09:23,101 DEFENSE REALLY HADN'T SIGNALED 2213 01:09:23,101 --> 01:09:24,736 WHO THEIR WITNESSES WERE GOING 2214 01:09:24,736 --> 01:09:25,771 TO BE AND WHETHER ANY OF THE 2215 01:09:25,771 --> 01:09:26,805 DEFENDANTS WERE GOING TO TAKE 2216 01:09:26,805 --> 01:09:27,873 THE STAND. 2217 01:09:27,873 --> 01:09:28,941 >> WE'RE ASKING THE COURT NOT TO 2218 01:09:28,941 --> 01:09:30,509 ASK HIM IF HE'S GOING TO TESTIFY 2219 01:09:30,509 --> 01:09:31,577 OR NOT, BUT THE COURT CAN INFORM 2220 01:09:31,577 --> 01:09:37,950 HIM OF HIS RIGHTS. 2221 01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:38,984 >> THEN TO EVERYBODY'S SURPRISE, 2222 01:09:38,984 --> 01:09:41,320 TRAVIS McMICHAEL, THE MAN WHO 2223 01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:42,187 ACTUALLY SHOT AND KILLED AHMAUD 2224 01:09:42,187 --> 01:09:43,822 ARBERY TAKES THE WITNESS STAND. 2225 01:09:43,822 --> 01:09:44,323 >> DO YOU SWEAR TO TELL THE 2226 01:09:44,323 --> 01:09:44,856 TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? 2227 01:09:44,856 --> 01:09:51,630 >> I DO. 2228 01:09:55,434 --> 01:09:59,838 >>> JUSTICE FOR AHMAUD! 2229 01:09:59,838 --> 01:10:02,507 JUSTICE FOR AHMAUD! 2230 01:10:02,507 --> 01:10:03,575 >> KEVIN GOUGH'S STATEMENT ABOUT 2231 01:10:03,575 --> 01:10:04,109 BLACK PASTORS BEING IN THE 2232 01:10:04,109 --> 01:10:04,610 GALLERY CREATED A WINDSTORM OF A 2233 01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:07,846 REACTION. 2234 01:10:07,846 --> 01:10:10,649 >> HE SAID NO MORE BLACK 2235 01:10:10,649 --> 01:10:10,782 PASTORS. 2236 01:10:10,782 --> 01:10:11,850 LOOK AT WHAT YOU BROUGHT NOW. 2237 01:10:11,850 --> 01:10:12,384 >> OUTSIDE THE GLYNN COUNTY 2238 01:10:12,384 --> 01:10:13,952 COURTHOUSE IN GEORGIA TODAY, 2239 01:10:13,952 --> 01:10:15,020 HUNDREDS OF BLACK PASTORS CAME 2240 01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:18,123 TO PRAY. 2241 01:10:18,123 --> 01:10:19,424 >> GOD, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A 2242 01:10:19,424 --> 01:10:19,925 MIRACLE. 2243 01:10:19,925 --> 01:10:22,527 >> BLACK PASTORS IN GEORGIA, 2244 01:10:22,527 --> 01:10:23,595 BLACK PASTORS IN AMERICA, ARE 2245 01:10:23,595 --> 01:10:24,630 SYNONYMOUS WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS 2246 01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:25,163 MOVEMENT. 2247 01:10:25,163 --> 01:10:26,765 >> IT SPEAKS TO THE TWO 2248 01:10:26,765 --> 01:10:32,571 DIFFERENT AMERICAS THAT STILL 2249 01:10:32,571 --> 01:10:34,139 EXIST. 2250 01:10:34,139 --> 01:10:35,207 THAT FOR THIS WHITE MAN, THIS 2251 01:10:35,207 --> 01:10:36,274 LAWYER, HE SAW THE PRESENCE OF 2252 01:10:36,274 --> 01:10:41,013 BLACK MINISTERS AS A MENACE, AS 2253 01:10:41,013 --> 01:10:41,546 A THREAT. 2254 01:10:41,546 --> 01:10:42,581 IN BLACK AMERICA, THESE ARE 2255 01:10:42,581 --> 01:10:43,649 REVERED FIGURES WHO PROVIDE 2256 01:10:43,649 --> 01:10:44,716 COMFORT AND CONTEXT IN DIFFICULT 2257 01:10:44,716 --> 01:10:46,852 MOMENTS. 2258 01:10:46,852 --> 01:10:48,987 >> AMEN. 2259 01:10:48,987 --> 01:10:54,092 >> AMEN! 2260 01:10:54,092 --> 01:10:55,193 >> BE SEATED. 2261 01:10:55,193 --> 01:10:55,727 >> INSIDE THE GLYNN COUNTY 2262 01:10:55,727 --> 01:10:58,697 COURTROOM, THE DEFENSE WAS 2263 01:10:58,697 --> 01:10:59,798 NOW PRESENTING ITS CASE. 2264 01:10:59,798 --> 01:11:00,832 >> DEFENSE CALLS TRAVIS 2265 01:11:00,832 --> 01:11:02,634 McMICHAEL. 2266 01:11:02,634 --> 01:11:04,236 >> WHEN TRAVIS McMICHAEL WAS 2267 01:11:04,236 --> 01:11:06,338 CALLED AS THE FIRST DEFENSE 2268 01:11:06,338 --> 01:11:07,939 WITNESS, IT SHOCKED EVERYONE. 2269 01:11:07,939 --> 01:11:11,043 JAWS WERE DROPPING. 2270 01:11:11,043 --> 01:11:12,644 >> TRAVIS McMICHAEL LOOKED A LOT 2271 01:11:12,644 --> 01:11:15,280 DIFFERENT ON THE STAND THAN HE 2272 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,382 DID IN THE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE. 2273 01:11:17,382 --> 01:11:19,518 >> PUTTING TRAVIS ON THE STAND 2274 01:11:19,518 --> 01:11:21,086 DOES MAKE HIM MORE HUMANE AND 2275 01:11:21,086 --> 01:11:22,654 LIKABLE THAN WHAT THE VIDEO 2276 01:11:22,654 --> 01:11:26,358 PRESENTS HIM AS. 2277 01:11:26,358 --> 01:11:27,426 >> I WANT TO GIVE MY SIDE OF THE 2278 01:11:27,426 --> 01:11:29,027 STORY. 2279 01:11:29,027 --> 01:11:32,164 I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED. 2280 01:11:32,164 --> 01:11:35,867 >> TRAVIS' LAWYERS HAVE TRIED TO 2281 01:11:35,867 --> 01:11:38,003 PUT TOGETHER A PICTURE OF HIM 2282 01:11:38,003 --> 01:11:39,571 AS SOMEONE WHO CARED ABOUT 2283 01:11:39,571 --> 01:11:41,173 SAFETY, SOMEONE WHO CARED ABOUT 2284 01:11:41,173 --> 01:11:43,809 THE WELL‐BEING OF HIS PARENTS. 2285 01:11:43,809 --> 01:11:45,911 >> DID THEY SHARE THINGS WITH 2286 01:11:45,911 --> 01:11:46,978 YOU ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE HEARING 2287 01:11:46,978 --> 01:11:48,046 HAPPENING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD 2288 01:11:48,046 --> 01:11:49,081 ABOUT CRIME? 2289 01:11:49,081 --> 01:11:49,614 >> THEY DID. 2290 01:11:49,614 --> 01:11:54,386 >> TRAVIS McMICHAEL WAS ABLE TO 2291 01:11:54,386 --> 01:11:55,454 GIVE THIS JURY HIS COAST GUARD 2292 01:11:55,454 --> 01:11:56,521 HISTORY, HIS TRAINING AS A LAW 2293 01:11:56,521 --> 01:11:59,658 ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. 2294 01:11:59,658 --> 01:12:00,192 >> DO YOU HAVE ANY TRAINING ON 2295 01:12:00,192 --> 01:12:01,259 HAND‐TO‐HAND COMBAT? 2296 01:12:01,259 --> 01:12:02,327 >> YES. 2297 01:12:02,327 --> 01:12:03,361 >> DID YOU HAVE ANY TRAINING ON 2298 01:12:03,361 --> 01:12:04,429 HOW TO RETAIN YOUR WEAPON? 2299 01:12:04,429 --> 01:12:06,031 >> YES. 2300 01:12:06,031 --> 01:12:08,133 >> THE DEFENSE WANTS TO SUGGEST 2301 01:12:08,133 --> 01:12:09,701 THAT HE WAS ESSENTIALLY THE 2302 01:12:09,701 --> 01:12:12,804 PSEUDO‐COP IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 2303 01:12:12,804 --> 01:12:14,406 >> DID YOU WANT TO STOP HIM AND 2304 01:12:14,406 --> 01:12:15,474 HOLD HIM SO THE POLICE COULD 2305 01:12:15,474 --> 01:12:18,110 COME AND ARREST HIM? 2306 01:12:18,110 --> 01:12:20,779 >> THAT WAS MY PLAN, YES, SIR. 2307 01:12:20,779 --> 01:12:22,881 >> THE COURTROOM IS SILENT AS 2308 01:12:22,881 --> 01:12:24,483 TRAVIS McMICHAEL TALKS ABOUT 2309 01:12:24,483 --> 01:12:25,517 THOSE FINAL MOMENTS WITH 2310 01:12:25,517 --> 01:12:27,085 AHMAUD ARBERY. 2311 01:12:27,085 --> 01:12:32,390 >> WHAT DID YOU DO? 2312 01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:34,526 >> I SHOT HIM. 2313 01:12:34,526 --> 01:12:35,560 >> WHY? 2314 01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,129 >> HE HAD MY GUN. 2315 01:12:37,129 --> 01:12:41,900 HE STRUCK ME. 2316 01:12:41,900 --> 01:12:44,870 IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT HE WAS ‐‐ 2317 01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:47,706 IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT HE WAS 2318 01:12:47,706 --> 01:12:51,143 ATTACKING ME, THAT IF HE WOULD 2319 01:12:51,143 --> 01:12:54,112 HAVE GOT THE SHOT GUN FROM ME 2320 01:12:54,112 --> 01:12:55,680 THAT THIS IS A LIFE OR DEATH 2321 01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:56,782 SITUATION, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE 2322 01:12:56,782 --> 01:12:57,215 TO STOP HIM FROM DOING THIS, SO 2323 01:12:57,215 --> 01:13:00,952 I SHOT. 2324 01:13:00,952 --> 01:13:02,020 >> THIS WAS A MAJOR RISK TO TAKE 2325 01:13:02,020 --> 01:13:03,054 THE STAND AS A DEFENDANT IN THIS 2326 01:13:03,054 --> 01:13:04,122 CASE, BECAUSE THEY ARE FACED 2327 01:13:04,122 --> 01:13:05,190 WITH A VIDEO THAT SHOWS THEM 2328 01:13:05,190 --> 01:13:05,690 CHASING AHMAUD ARBERY. 2329 01:13:05,690 --> 01:13:07,292 THEY'D HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY 2330 01:13:07,292 --> 01:13:08,360 DID THAT. 2331 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:09,928 AND THE DANGER IS THAT THEY 2332 01:13:09,928 --> 01:13:11,463 DON'T HAVE A CONCRETE REASON TO 2333 01:13:11,463 --> 01:13:13,031 BE CHASING HIM. 2334 01:13:13,031 --> 01:13:15,133 >> THE PROSECUTOR, 2335 01:13:15,133 --> 01:13:16,234 LINDA DUNIKOSKI CAME OUT OF THE 2336 01:13:16,234 --> 01:13:17,269 GATE REALLY HOT. 2337 01:13:17,269 --> 01:13:19,371 SHE WENT STRAIGHT TO THE 2338 01:13:19,371 --> 01:13:21,506 CORNERSTONE OF THE DEFENSE'S 2339 01:13:21,506 --> 01:13:22,541 CASE, WHICH IS ALL WRAPPED UP 2340 01:13:22,541 --> 01:13:24,142 IN CITIZEN'S ARREST. 2341 01:13:24,142 --> 01:13:26,778 >> NOT ONCE DURING YOUR DIRECT 2342 01:13:26,778 --> 01:13:28,880 EXAMINATION DID YOU STATE THAT 2343 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:34,886 YOUR INTENTION WAS TO EFFECTUATE 2344 01:13:34,886 --> 01:13:37,956 AN ARREST OF MR. ARBERY UNTIL 2345 01:13:37,956 --> 01:13:39,825 YOUR ATTORNEY ASKED YOU THAT 2346 01:13:39,825 --> 01:13:41,693 LEADING QUESTION, ISN'T THAT 2347 01:13:41,693 --> 01:13:42,994 RIGHT? 2348 01:13:42,994 --> 01:13:43,028 >> YES. 2349 01:13:43,028 --> 01:13:43,528 >> THE PROSECUTOR IS CLEARLY 2350 01:13:43,528 --> 01:13:45,130 TRYING TO GET TRAVIS McMICHAEL 2351 01:13:45,130 --> 01:13:46,164 TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HE NEVER SAW 2352 01:13:46,164 --> 01:13:47,232 AHMAUD ARBERY DOING ANYTHING 2353 01:13:47,232 --> 01:13:48,300 WRONG. 2354 01:13:48,300 --> 01:13:49,334 >> AND YOU HAD NO IDEA WHAT HE'D 2355 01:13:49,334 --> 01:13:50,402 ACTUALLY BEEN DOING THAT DAY. 2356 01:13:50,402 --> 01:13:51,469 >> NOT AT THAT TIME, NO. 2357 01:13:51,469 --> 01:13:53,572 >> ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE 2358 01:13:53,572 --> 01:13:56,775 PARTS OF THE PROSECUTOR'S 2359 01:13:56,775 --> 01:13:58,310 CROSS‐EXAMINATION IS WHEN SHE 2360 01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:59,911 ASKS TRAVIS McMICHAEL WHAT 2361 01:13:59,911 --> 01:14:00,946 AHMAUD ARBERY WASN'T DOING. 2362 01:14:00,946 --> 01:14:02,547 AND SHE GIVES A LIST. 2363 01:14:02,547 --> 01:14:03,081 >> AND HE NEVER YELLED AT YOU 2364 01:14:03,081 --> 01:14:04,115 GUYS. 2365 01:14:04,115 --> 01:14:05,717 >> NO, MA'AM. 2366 01:14:05,717 --> 01:14:07,819 >> NEVER THREATENED YOU AT ALL? 2367 01:14:07,819 --> 01:14:08,353 >> NO, HE DID NOT THREATEN ME 2368 01:14:08,353 --> 01:14:09,421 VERBALLY. 2369 01:14:09,421 --> 01:14:10,488 NO, MA'AM. 2370 01:14:10,488 --> 01:14:11,990 >> IT ESSENTIALLY WAS POKING A 2371 01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:13,592 HOLE, OVER AND OVER, IN THE 2372 01:14:13,592 --> 01:14:17,295 DEFENSE'S CLAIM OF SELF‐DEFENSE. 2373 01:14:17,295 --> 01:14:17,796 >> DIDN'T BRANDISH WEAPONS? 2374 01:14:17,796 --> 01:14:18,864 >> NO, MA'AM. 2375 01:14:18,864 --> 01:14:19,397 >> DIDN'T PULL OUT ANY GUNS. 2376 01:14:19,397 --> 01:14:20,999 >> NO, MA'AM. 2377 01:14:20,999 --> 01:14:21,499 >> DIDN'T PULL OUT ANY KNIFE. 2378 01:14:21,499 --> 01:14:23,635 >> NO, MA'AM. 2379 01:14:23,635 --> 01:14:24,169 >> NEVER REACHED FOR ANYTHING, 2380 01:14:24,169 --> 01:14:26,271 DID HE? 2381 01:14:26,271 --> 01:14:27,339 >> UH, NO. 2382 01:14:27,339 --> 01:14:28,373 >> HE JUST RAN. 2383 01:14:28,373 --> 01:14:29,441 >> YES, HE WAS JUST RUNNING. 2384 01:14:29,441 --> 01:14:31,042 >> THE PROSECUTOR REALLY 2385 01:14:31,042 --> 01:14:32,611 CHALLENGED TRAVIS McMICHAEL'S 2386 01:14:32,611 --> 01:14:34,212 CONTENTION THAT ARBERY WAS A 2387 01:14:34,212 --> 01:14:35,280 THREAT TO HIM. 2388 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:36,314 >> YOUR FATHER IS IN THE PICKUP 2389 01:14:36,314 --> 01:14:37,382 TRUCK, CORRECT? 2390 01:14:37,382 --> 01:14:41,086 >> YES, MA'AM. 2391 01:14:41,086 --> 01:14:41,620 >> AND HE HAS HIS .357 MAGNUM, 2392 01:14:41,620 --> 01:14:43,421 CORRECT? 2393 01:14:43,421 --> 01:14:45,056 >> HE HAS IT, YES. 2394 01:14:45,056 --> 01:14:46,658 >> FINALLY, SHE BUILT THIS 2395 01:14:46,658 --> 01:14:47,692 PICTURE OF THE POWER IMBALANCE 2396 01:14:47,692 --> 01:14:48,760 OF AN EXHAUSTED YOUNG MAN COMING 2397 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,862 UP TO THIS HUGE PICKUP TRUCK 2398 01:14:50,862 --> 01:14:51,930 WITH TWO ARMED WHITE MEN. 2399 01:14:51,930 --> 01:14:53,531 >> SO, YOU'RE TELLING THIS JURY 2400 01:14:53,531 --> 01:14:55,634 THAT A MAN WHO HAS SPENT FIVE 2401 01:14:55,634 --> 01:14:58,803 MINUTES RUNNING AWAY FROM YOU, 2402 01:14:58,803 --> 01:14:59,838 YOU'RE NOW THINKING IS SOMEHOW 2403 01:14:59,838 --> 01:15:01,973 GOING TO WANT TO CONTINUE TO 2404 01:15:01,973 --> 01:15:04,609 ENGAGE WITH YOU, SOMEONE WITH A 2405 01:15:04,609 --> 01:15:07,779 SHOTGUN, AND YOUR FATHER, A MAN 2406 01:15:07,779 --> 01:15:09,347 WHO'S JUST SAID, "STOP OR I'LL 2407 01:15:09,347 --> 01:15:10,415 BLOW YOUR [ BLEEP ] HEAD OFF," 2408 01:15:10,415 --> 01:15:11,950 BY TRYING TO GET IN THEIR TRUCK? 2409 01:15:11,950 --> 01:15:12,484 >> THAT'S WHAT IT SHOWS. 2410 01:15:12,484 --> 01:15:14,052 YES, MA'AM. 2411 01:15:14,052 --> 01:15:15,654 >> OVER THE COURSE OF TWO DAYS, 2412 01:15:15,654 --> 01:15:17,255 TRAVIS McMICHAEL TESTIFIES FOR 2413 01:15:17,255 --> 01:15:18,790 SIX HOURS. 2414 01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:20,392 HE WOULD BE THE ONLY DEFENDANT 2415 01:15:20,392 --> 01:15:22,527 TO TAKE THE STAND. 2416 01:15:22,527 --> 01:15:28,199 THE ONLY OTHER WITNESSES CALLED 2417 01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:29,000 BY THE DEFENSE ‐‐ 2418 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,635 >> SWEAR TO TELL THE TRUTH, THE 2419 01:15:30,635 --> 01:15:31,803 WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE 2420 01:15:31,803 --> 01:15:32,137 TRUTH? 2421 01:15:32,137 --> 01:15:33,571 >> I DO. 2422 01:15:33,571 --> 01:15:34,105 >> A HANDFUL OF NEIGHBORS IN 2423 01:15:34,105 --> 01:15:35,707 SATILLA SHORES. 2424 01:15:35,707 --> 01:15:36,775 >> THE DEFENSE WAS TRYING TO 2425 01:15:36,775 --> 01:15:37,809 CURATE THIS CONTINUOUS NARRATIVE 2426 01:15:37,809 --> 01:15:38,877 OF A NEIGHBORHOOD UNDER THREAT. 2427 01:15:38,877 --> 01:15:39,911 THEY WANTED NEIGHBORS TO 2428 01:15:39,911 --> 01:15:41,012 CORROBORATE WHAT 2429 01:15:41,012 --> 01:15:42,047 TRAVIS McMICHAEL HAD SAID WAS 2430 01:15:42,047 --> 01:15:43,615 TRUE, WHICH WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD 2431 01:15:43,615 --> 01:15:45,216 WAS ON EDGE. 2432 01:15:45,216 --> 01:15:48,019 >> OTHER THAN THE HOMICIDE OF 2433 01:15:48,019 --> 01:15:51,256 MR. ARBERY, VIOLENT CRIMES WERE 2434 01:15:51,256 --> 01:15:53,558 FEW AND FAR BETWEEN OR 2435 01:15:53,558 --> 01:15:54,659 NONEXISTENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, 2436 01:15:54,659 --> 01:15:55,460 IS THAT CORRECT? 2437 01:15:55,460 --> 01:15:59,164 >> THAT IS CORRECT. 2438 01:15:59,164 --> 01:16:01,299 >> THIS IS IRONIC. 2439 01:16:01,299 --> 01:16:02,334 THE MOST VIOLENT CRIME THAT 2440 01:16:02,334 --> 01:16:03,401 THESE NEIGHBORS IN 2441 01:16:03,401 --> 01:16:06,571 SATILLA SHORES WOULD HAVE 2442 01:16:06,571 --> 01:16:07,639 WITNESSED IS THE DEATH OF 2443 01:16:07,639 --> 01:16:08,173 AHMAUD ARBERY, WHICH WAS CARRIED 2444 01:16:08,173 --> 01:16:10,475 OUT BY ONE OF THEIR OWN. 2445 01:16:10,475 --> 01:16:11,810 >> WE TURN NEXT TO CLOSING 2446 01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:13,278 ARGUMENT IN THE AHMAUD ARBERY 2447 01:16:13,278 --> 01:16:15,080 CASE. 2448 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,147 >> IT WAS CLEAR THAT IN THE 2449 01:16:16,147 --> 01:16:17,215 PROSECUTION'S CLOSING IN THIS 2450 01:16:17,215 --> 01:16:18,783 CASE, THEY WANTED TO DRIVE HOME 2451 01:16:18,783 --> 01:16:20,885 THIS IDEA OF JUST HOW IMBALANCED 2452 01:16:20,885 --> 01:16:21,953 THE SITUATION WAS ON FEBRUARY 2453 01:16:21,953 --> 01:16:24,055 23rd. 2454 01:16:24,055 --> 01:16:25,690 >> THREE‐ON‐ONE. 2455 01:16:25,690 --> 01:16:27,759 TWO PICKUP TRUCKS, TWO GUNS. 2456 01:16:27,759 --> 01:16:30,962 THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE HE WAS 2457 01:16:30,962 --> 01:16:31,496 A DANGER TO THEM, AND HE WAS 2458 01:16:31,496 --> 01:16:38,069 SCARY. 2459 01:16:38,069 --> 01:16:40,772 >> AFTER THE CLOSING ARGUMENTS, 2460 01:16:40,772 --> 01:16:42,340 IT'S NOW UP TO THE JURY TO 2461 01:16:42,340 --> 01:16:43,975 DECIDE THE FATE OF THE THREE 2462 01:16:43,975 --> 01:16:46,044 MEN. 2463 01:16:46,044 --> 01:16:46,778 THE JURY DELIBERATED FOR 11 2464 01:16:46,778 --> 01:16:49,948 HOURS. 2465 01:16:49,948 --> 01:16:51,950 OUTSIDE THE COURTHOUSE, A CROWD 2466 01:16:51,950 --> 01:16:52,283 HAS BEEN GATHERING, WAITING FOR 2467 01:16:52,283 --> 01:16:57,822 THE VERDICT. 2468 01:16:57,822 --> 01:16:59,624 >> MADAM FOREPERSON, I 2469 01:16:59,624 --> 01:17:02,527 UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE REACHED A 2470 01:17:02,527 --> 01:17:04,062 VERDICT AS TO EACH DEFENDANT. 2471 01:17:04,062 --> 01:17:08,600 >> WE HAVE. 2472 01:17:16,007 --> 01:17:17,042 >>> IT'S THE DAY BEFORE 2473 01:17:17,042 --> 01:17:18,076 THANKSGIVING, AND A CROWD HAS 2474 01:17:18,076 --> 01:17:18,610 NOW GATHERED OUTSIDE THE 2475 01:17:18,610 --> 01:17:22,313 COURTHOUSE. 2476 01:17:22,313 --> 01:17:23,915 AFTER 11 HOURS OF DELIBERATION, 2477 01:17:23,915 --> 01:17:28,119 THE JURY HAS REACHED A VERDICT. 2478 01:17:28,119 --> 01:17:30,989 >> MADAM FOREPERSON, PLEASE HAND 2479 01:17:30,989 --> 01:17:31,156 YOUR VERDICT FORMS TO THE 2480 01:17:31,156 --> 01:17:36,494 SHERIFF. 2481 01:17:36,494 --> 01:17:37,028 MR. McMICHAEL, PLEASE STAND. 2482 01:17:37,028 --> 01:17:39,130 THE VERDICT IS AS FOLLOWS. 2483 01:17:39,130 --> 01:17:43,868 IN THE SUPERIOR COURT OF GLYNN 2484 01:17:43,868 --> 01:17:47,038 COUNTY, STATE OF GEORGIA, THE 2485 01:17:47,038 --> 01:17:48,106 STATE OF GEORGIA 2486 01:17:48,106 --> 01:17:48,606 VS. TRAVIS McMICHAEL, 2487 01:17:48,606 --> 01:17:49,674 COUNT 1 MALICE MURDER. 2488 01:17:49,674 --> 01:17:51,276 WE THE JURY FIND THE DEFENDANT 2489 01:17:51,276 --> 01:17:57,048 TRAVIS McMICHAEL GUILTY. 2490 01:17:57,048 --> 01:17:57,582 >> WHOO. 2491 01:17:57,582 --> 01:18:02,387 >> SHE VOWED TO FIND JUSTICE FOR 2492 01:18:02,387 --> 01:18:02,921 HER SON, AND WANDA COOPER‐JONES 2493 01:18:02,921 --> 01:18:05,056 KEPT HER PROMISE. 2494 01:18:05,056 --> 01:18:07,158 >> AS TO GREGORY McMICHAEL, 2495 01:18:07,158 --> 01:18:09,828 COUNT 2 FELONY MURDER ‐‐ GUILTY. 2496 01:18:09,828 --> 01:18:14,032 AS TO WILLIAM R. BRYAN, 2497 01:18:14,032 --> 01:18:16,668 COUNT 3 FELONY MURDER ‐‐ GUILTY. 2498 01:18:16,668 --> 01:18:17,635 >> ALL THREE MEN GUILTY OF 2499 01:18:17,635 --> 01:18:22,440 MURDER. 2500 01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:24,008 AHMAUD ARBERY'S FAMILY HAS BEEN 2501 01:18:24,008 --> 01:18:28,246 WAITING MORE THAN A YEAR AND 2502 01:18:28,246 --> 01:18:29,814 EIGHT MONTHS FOR THIS MOMENT. 2503 01:18:29,814 --> 01:18:32,984 >> LET THE WORD GO FORTH ALL 2504 01:18:32,984 --> 01:18:36,654 OVER THE WORLD THAT A JURY OF 2505 01:18:36,654 --> 01:18:39,824 11 WHITES AND 1 BLACK IN THE 2506 01:18:39,824 --> 01:18:41,960 DEEP SOUTH STOOD UP IN THE COURT 2507 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:42,994 ROOM AND SAID THAT BLACK LIVES 2508 01:18:42,994 --> 01:18:48,166 DO MATTER. 2509 01:18:48,166 --> 01:18:49,467 >> I MEN AMEN! 2510 01:18:49,467 --> 01:18:50,535 >> LET'S KEEP FIGHTING! 2511 01:18:50,535 --> 01:18:51,035 LET'S KEEP DOING AND MAKING THIS 2512 01:18:51,035 --> 01:18:51,569 PLACE A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL 2513 01:18:51,569 --> 01:18:53,004 HUMAN BEINGS. 2514 01:18:53,004 --> 01:18:54,072 >> AMEN. 2515 01:18:54,072 --> 01:18:54,606 >> I NEVER THOUGHT THIS DAY 2516 01:18:54,606 --> 01:18:55,673 WOULD COME. 2517 01:18:55,673 --> 01:18:58,843 THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO MARCHED, 2518 01:18:58,843 --> 01:18:59,377 THOSE WHO PRAYED, MOST OF ALL 2519 01:18:59,377 --> 01:19:01,946 THE ONES WHO PRAYED. 2520 01:19:01,946 --> 01:19:03,581 >> YES, LORD. 2521 01:19:03,581 --> 01:19:04,616 >> THE VERDICT SHOWS IN THIS 2522 01:19:04,616 --> 01:19:08,319 CASE OF THE DEATH OF 2523 01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:09,354 AHMAUD ARBERY THAT CITIZEN'S 2524 01:19:09,354 --> 01:19:09,888 ARREST AND SELF‐DEFENSE WAS NOT 2525 01:19:09,888 --> 01:19:11,489 SOMETHING THAT THE JURY BOUGHT. 2526 01:19:11,489 --> 01:19:12,557 >> I WAS DEEPLY DISAPPOINTED. 2527 01:19:12,557 --> 01:19:16,794 I REALLY FELT THAT THIS JURY WAS 2528 01:19:16,794 --> 01:19:18,296 GOING TO ACQUIT MR. BRYAN. 2529 01:19:18,296 --> 01:19:18,830 >> THERE'S ENOUGH TRAGEDY IN 2530 01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:20,431 THIS CASE TO GO AROUND. 2531 01:19:20,431 --> 01:19:21,466 LEIGH McMICHAEL HAS LOST HER 2532 01:19:21,466 --> 01:19:24,102 HUSBAND AND HER SON THROUGH THIS 2533 01:19:24,102 --> 01:19:25,670 VERDICT, AND SHE'S DEVASTATED. 2534 01:19:25,670 --> 01:19:27,805 >> I HOPE HISTORY LOOKS BACK ON 2535 01:19:27,805 --> 01:19:31,509 THIS CASE AS A CASE WHERE WE 2536 01:19:31,509 --> 01:19:33,077 SOUGHT JUSTICE FOR AHMAUD, WE 2537 01:19:33,077 --> 01:19:34,646 SOUGHT JUSTICE FOR THE FAMILY, 2538 01:19:34,646 --> 01:19:39,417 AND THAT JUSTICE WAS DONE. 2539 01:19:39,417 --> 01:19:41,553 >> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE 2540 01:19:41,553 --> 01:19:42,587 McMICHAELS AND MR. BRYAN IF YOU 2541 01:19:42,587 --> 01:19:44,722 COULD? 2542 01:19:44,722 --> 01:19:46,824 >> AHMAUD'S NOT COMING HOME. 2543 01:19:46,824 --> 01:19:49,994 I'VE LOST MY SON. 2544 01:19:49,994 --> 01:19:51,029 THEY GO TO JAIL. 2545 01:19:51,029 --> 01:19:55,166 THEY STILL HAVE LIFE. 2546 01:19:55,166 --> 01:20:01,239 I'VE LOST MY SON.