1 00:00:10,877 --> 00:00:19,619 >>> RAFAEL MAR ANNO GROSSI, HEAD OF THE U.N. NUCLEAR WATCHDOG, MONITORS THE THREAT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN IRAN, NORTH KOREA, 2 00:00:19,686 --> 00:00:28,762 AND RUSSIA. AND AS YOU'LL HEAR, HE IS SOUNDING A SERIOUS WARNING ABOUT THE CURRENT SITUATION IN 3 00:00:28,828 --> 00:00:39,706 UKRAINE. WHEN I REALIZED THAT A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT WAS UNDER ATTACK -- >> IT'S MIND-BOGGLING. 4 00:00:39,773 --> 00:00:46,913 >> THIS IS THE HOLY GRAIL OF WORLD CUP STICKER ALBUMS. AND THIS GUY HAS FIVE OF THEM. AND HE AIN'T SELLING. 5 00:00:46,980 --> 00:00:53,653 >> GEES. >> FLORIDA CEILING. >> HE LIVES IN WHAT IS LESS A HOME THAN A STICKER REPOSITORY. 6 00:00:53,720 --> 00:01:01,127 EVEN IN YOUR DAUGHTER'S ROOM. HE HAS HALF A MILLION STICKERS SPILLING OUT OF EVERY DRAWER. VALUABLE SHEETS ARE EVERYWHERE, 7 00:01:01,194 --> 00:01:12,939 EVEN HIDDEN UNDER A TABLECLOTH. NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO EAT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE IT'S TOO SACRED. >> THESE ARE ALL RARE. 8 00:01:13,006 --> 00:01:23,316 >>> IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE ANYTHING SURVIVING ON THE EXPANSIVE BADLANDS IN RURAL WYOMING. 9 00:01:23,383 --> 00:01:34,527 BUT IN THIS EMPTY CORRIDOR OF THE COWBOY STATE IS A THUNDERING HERD OF MUSTANGS. UNTOUCHED, WILD, AND 10 00:01:34,594 --> 00:01:42,268 BREATHTAKINGLY BEAUTIFUL. WHAT'S HAPPENIN TO THESE THOUSANDS OF WILD HORSES? THAT'S OUR STORY TONIGHT. 11 00:01:42,335 --> 00:01:48,208 >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. 12 00:01:48,274 --> 00:01:58,852 >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 13 00:01:58,918 --> 00:02:06,626 >>> 60 YEARS AGO TO THE DAY, NOVEMBER 20th, THE WORLD SIGHED IN RELIEF AS THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS ENDED. 14 00:02:06,693 --> 00:02:16,603 IT WAS THE CLOSEST WE EVER CAME TO NUCLEAR ARMAGEDDON -- TILL NOW, WITH RUSSIA THREATENING TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN THE WAR. 15 00:02:16,669 --> 00:02:24,544 AND THEN THERE'S THE DIRE AND DETERIORATING CONDITION OF EUROPE'S BIGGEST NUCLEAR POWER PLANT, ZAPORIZHZHIA, IN 16 00:02:24,611 --> 00:02:32,418 RUSSIAN-OCCUPIED UKRAINE. THE SITUATION IS CAREFULLY MONITORED BY THE INTERNATIONAL ATOMIC ENERGY AGENCY IN VIENNA, 17 00:02:32,485 --> 00:02:41,394 THE U.N.'S NUCLEAR WATCHDOG TASKED WITH MAKING SURE NUCLEAR FACILITIES ARE SAFE AND ATOMIC MATERIAL IS USED ONLY FOR 18 00:02:41,461 --> 00:02:50,336 PEACEFUL PURPOSES. ITS DIRECTOR GENERAL, RAFAEL MARIANO GROSSI, RECENTLY INSPECTED THE SITE... 19 00:02:50,403 --> 00:03:00,914 WHICH MAY BE THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACE IN THE WORLD. >> SO, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG: IS THIS THE FIRST TIME A MAJOR 20 00:03:00,980 --> 00:03:08,855 POWER PLANT HAS BEEN UNDER FIRE IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR? >> WELL, IT'S AN UNPRECEDENTED THING, REALLY, IN SO MANY WAYS. 21 00:03:08,922 --> 00:03:19,699 THIS PLACE IS AT THE FRONT LINE WHICH MAKES THE WHOLE THING SO VOLATILE AND IN NEED OF AN URGENT ACTION. 22 00:03:19,766 --> 00:03:26,539 ZAPORIZHZHIA HAS BEEN SHELLED REPEATEDLY SINCE MARCH, WITH BOTH SIDES BLAMING EACH OTHER. BEFORE THE WAR THE PLANT 23 00:03:26,606 --> 00:03:35,048 SUPPLIED 20% OF UKRAINE'S POWER. IT'S NOW LARGELY IDLE, BUT THE REACTORS STILL NEED TO BE CONSTANTLY COOLED DOWN WITH 24 00:03:35,114 --> 00:03:45,525 CIRCULATING WATER. IF THEY OVERHEAT, IT COULD LEAD TO NUCLEAR CATASTROPHE WITHIN HOURS. 25 00:03:45,592 --> 00:03:51,297 >> THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS BEING COOLED BY ELECTRICITY THAT'S COMING IN FROM THE TOWN, AND THERE'S SHELLING. 26 00:03:51,364 --> 00:04:01,941 SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THAT ELECTRICITY WENT DOWN? >> WHAT YOU HAVE IN THAT SITUATION IS EMERGENCY SYSTEMS 27 00:04:02,008 --> 00:04:06,646 THAT KICK IN. LIKE DIESEL GENERATORS THAT YOU CAN HAVE ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY. AND YOU DON'T WANT THE BIGGEST 28 00:04:06,713 --> 00:04:12,952 NUCLEAR POWER PLANT IN EUROPE, ONE OF THE BIGGEST IN THE WORLD, TO BE COOLED WITH -- BASICALLY AN EMERGENCY SYSTEM WHICH IS 29 00:04:13,019 --> 00:04:19,292 DEPENDENT ON FUEL. BECAUSE WHEN YOUR DIESELS ARE OUT OF WHATEVER YOU PUT IN IT TO MAKE THEM WORK, THEN WHAT 30 00:04:19,359 --> 00:04:25,064 HAPPENS? THEN YOU HAVE A MELTDOWN. THEN YOU HAVE A BIG RADIOLOGICAL NUCLEAR EMERGENCY OR AN 31 00:04:25,131 --> 00:04:31,904 ACCIDENT, AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT. >> SO THIS SITUATION IS TOTALLY PRECARIOUS. 32 00:04:31,971 --> 00:04:41,381 >> TOTALLY. UNTIL WE HAVE THIS PLANT PROTECTED, THE POSSIBILITY OF THE NUCLEAR CATASTROPHE IS 33 00:04:41,447 --> 00:04:46,119 THERE. >> POSSIBLY DWARFING CHERNOBYL, A FAR SMALLER UKRAINIAN PLANT THAT FAMOUSLY BLEW UP 36 YEARS 34 00:04:46,185 --> 00:04:56,129 AGO. IN LATE AUGUST, AFTER MONTHS OF NEGOTIATING WITH BOTH SIDES, DIRECTOR GENERAL GROSSI LED HIS 35 00:04:56,195 --> 00:05:06,205 AGENCY'S FIRST MISSION INTO AN ACTIVE WARZONE, TO INSPECT THE STABILITY OF THE SITE. >> AND AS WE WERE APPROACHING 36 00:05:06,272 --> 00:05:20,453 THE LAST UKRAINIAN CHECKPOINT, WE STARTED HEARING SHOOTING, QUITE HEAVY SHOOTING. VERY CLOSE TO US. 37 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:26,759 SO AT THAT POINT EVEN THE PEOPLE AT THE CHECKPOINT WERE RUNNING FOR SHELTER. >> DO YOU THINK THAT THE CONVOY 38 00:05:26,826 --> 00:05:37,303 ITSELF WAS A TARGET? >> I THINK IT WAS A CLEAR ATTEMPT TO STOP US TO SAY, "GO HOME. THIS IS NOT YOUR PLACE." 39 00:05:37,370 --> 00:05:42,608 BUT THEY PROCEEDED. THERE WERE SOLDIERS, TANKS AND ARMORED TRUCKS EVERYWHERE. THE RUSSIANS ARE ACTUALLY USING 40 00:05:42,675 --> 00:05:51,050 THE NUCLEAR PLANT AS THEIR MILITARY BASE. >> WHEN YOU WENT TO VISIT, TO INSPECT, YOU COULD GO ANYWHERE? 41 00:05:51,117 --> 00:06:01,160 >> YES. >> YOU WEREN'T KEPT FROM -- >> YES, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE IAEA. 42 00:06:01,227 --> 00:06:05,898 WE ARE KNOWN AS THE NUCLEAR WATCHDOG. > WELL, THERE ARE REPORTS THAT YOU WEREN'T ALLOWED INTO SOME 43 00:06:05,965 --> 00:06:12,672 CRISIS ROOM THERE -- INTO THE CONTROL ROOM. IS THAT NOT TRUE? >> WELL, THERE WERE AREAS 44 00:06:12,739 --> 00:06:18,511 THAT WE WERE LIMITED. BUT ALL THE THINGS WE NEEDED TO SEE WE COULD SEE. >> YOU DIDN'T WANT TO SEE THE 45 00:06:18,578 --> 00:06:22,715 CONTROL ROOM? >> YEAH, WE DID WANT TO SEE IT. BUT FOR US, WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS TO BE LOOKING AT THE ESSENTIAL 46 00:06:22,782 --> 00:06:28,488 NUCLEAR OPERATION OF THE PLANT. AND THIS WE COULD SEE. >> THAT INCLUDED EVIDENCE THAT ROCKETS HAD COME DANGEROUSLY 47 00:06:28,554 --> 00:06:40,066 CLOSE TO THE REACTORS AND OTHER SENSITIVE AREAS. >> I WAS ON THE TOP OF A BUILDING WHERE THEY ARE STORING 48 00:06:40,133 --> 00:06:48,775 FRESH FUEL, THE FUEL THAT IS GOING TO GO INTO THE REACTORS AND -- >> NUCLEAR FUEL IS WHAT WE'RE -- 49 00:06:48,841 --> 00:06:52,979 >> NUCLEAR FUEL -- >> -- TALKING ABOUT. >> NUCLEAR FUEL. AND I -- I COULD SEE VERY BIG 50 00:06:53,045 --> 00:06:57,183 HOLES OUT ON THAT ROOF. >> ON THE ROOF? >> YEAH. AT LEAST TWO I SAW, VERY, VERY 51 00:06:57,250 --> 00:07:00,920 BIG. >> ON A SATELLITE PHOTO HE ALSO POINTED OUT THE SWITCHYARD WHERE THE ELECTRICITY COMES IN FROM 52 00:07:00,987 --> 00:07:05,658 THE TOWN. >> SO THIS IS WHERE THE EXTERNAL POWER COMES TO COOL THE REACTORS DOWN. 53 00:07:05,725 --> 00:07:14,667 AND THIS PLACE WAS SHELLED SEVERAL TIMES, SEVERAL TIMES, WHICH TELLS YOU THAT PEOPLE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING. 54 00:07:14,734 --> 00:07:20,406 >> THEY WERE TRYING TO CUT OFF THE POWER SOURCE. >> HERE, HERE, HERE...EXACTLY. >> SHELLING ALSO DESTROYED ONE 55 00:07:20,473 --> 00:07:28,314 OF THE PLANT'S OFFICE BUILDINGS. THESE PICTURES WERE GIVEN TO US BY ANDRIY TUZ, A PLANT SPOKESMAN WHO FLED UKRAINE AFTER WORKING 56 00:07:28,381 --> 00:07:37,256 FOUR MONTHS UNDER RUSSIAN OCCUPATION. >> SO TELL US WHAT THAT WAS LIKE, WORKING INSIDE THE PLANT, 57 00:07:37,323 --> 00:07:41,961 UNDER RUSSIAN OCCUPATION FROM THE -- >> YES. [ SIGH ] 58 00:07:42,028 --> 00:07:53,573 RUSSIAN TROOPS TAKE ALL OUR TOP MANAGER WITH GUN AND THEY DO ONLY WHAT RUSSIAN TROOPS WANT. >> DID YOU FEEL LIKE A HOSTAGE? 59 00:07:53,639 --> 00:08:01,013 >> YES, YES, I FEEL LIKE I AM PRISONER IN THIS NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. I CANNOT SAY NOTHING BECAUSE 60 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:07,954 THEY GO WITH GUN. >> THERE HAVE BEEN REPORTS OF IMPRISONMENTS, KIDNAPPINGS, AND TORTURE OF UKRAINIAN EMPLOYEES. 61 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:14,727 THE HEAD OF THE PLANT WAS DETAINED. ANDRIY TUZ TOLD US ABOUT THE PRESSURE ONE OF THE SAFETY 62 00:08:14,794 --> 00:08:22,101 INSPECTORS FELT. >> IT'S HIS WORK TO GO AND CHECK SOME PUMPS, HOW IT WORK, HOW BAROMETER, WHAT PRESSURE, WHAT 63 00:08:22,168 --> 00:08:28,407 TEMPERATURE. BUT HE GO AND RUSSIAN TANKS STAY IN FRONT OF HIM. IT'S TERRIBLE. 64 00:08:28,474 --> 00:08:41,587 HE CANNOT DO HIS WORK. IT'S TO PROTECT NUCLEAR FUEL, TO CONTROL NUCLEAR REACTION. >> WHEN YOU'RE OPERATING A 65 00:08:41,654 --> 00:08:46,359 NUCLEAR POWER PLANT AND YOU'RE UNDER STRESS, AND YOU'RE WORRIED, AND YOU'RE FEELING THREATENED, DOESN'T THAT LEAD TO 66 00:08:46,425 --> 00:08:56,335 THE POSSIBILITY OF HUMAN ERROR? >> OF COURSE, YES. >> AND THE SHELLING GOES ON. >> AND THE SHELLING GOES ON. 67 00:08:56,402 --> 00:09:01,674 AND THIS IS WHY -- WE HAVE BEEN TRYING. I HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A PROTECTION 68 00:09:01,741 --> 00:09:10,616 ZONE. WHICH IS BASICALLY DON'T ATTACK THE PLANT. >> HE TOOK HIS PROPOSAL TO BOTH 69 00:09:10,683 --> 00:09:18,524 PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY IN KYIV AND PRESIDENT PUTIN, IN A ONE-ON-ONE MEETING LAST MONTH IN ST. PETERSBURG. 70 00:09:18,591 --> 00:09:23,796 >> INTERESTINGLY, YOU SAT VERY CLOSE TO HIM, ACTUALLY, I THINK CLOSER THAN YOU AND I ARE RIGHT NOW. 71 00:09:23,863 --> 00:09:33,205 >> MAYBE, YES. >> WOULD YOU SAY THAT HE IS FAMILIAR WITH WHAT'S GOING ON? >> ABSOLUTELY -- 72 00:09:33,272 --> 00:09:39,378 >> -- AT THIS NUCLEAR PLANT? >> HE KNOWS EVERY DETAIL OF IT, WHICH WAS SURPRISING TO ME. IN MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM, I 73 00:09:39,445 --> 00:09:50,089 COULD SEE THAT HE HAD A VERY DETAILED KNOWLEDGE NOT ONLY OF THE LAYOUT OF THE PLANT BUT ALSO -- AND VERY IMPORTANTLY -- 74 00:09:50,156 --> 00:09:55,861 OF THE ELECTRICAL ACCESS, THE EXTERNAL POWER SOURCE. >> WHERE THESE THINGS ARE BEING BOMBED? 75 00:09:55,928 --> 00:10:04,303 >> IT IS -- IT IS A FACILITY THAT HE KNOWS VERY WELL. >> IS MR. PUTIN TRYING TO USE THIS PLANT AS A WEAPON? 76 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:11,177 AND WE KNOW THAT HE'S WEAPONIZED ENERGY IN THIS WAR BECAUSE OF THE WAY HE'S USED OIL AND GAS. IT JUST RAISES THE QUESTION 77 00:10:11,243 --> 00:10:18,117 WHETHER THIS PLANT IS SEEN IN HIS MIND AS A WAY TO SQUEEZE THE UKRAINIANS. SOMEONE SAID TO US THE OTHER 78 00:10:18,184 --> 00:10:28,561 DAY, "YOU KNOW, THIS IS HIS DIRTY BOMB, THIS PLANT." >> YEAH, BUT IF YOU PROTECT IT, THERE'S NO DIRTY BOMB. 79 00:10:28,627 --> 00:10:38,571 >> ON MONDAY, THE DAY WE MET GROSSI, PRESIDENTS JOE BIDEN AND XI JINPING MET IN BALI AND CONDEMNED PUTIN'S THREAT TO USE 80 00:10:38,637 --> 00:10:43,275 A NUCLEAR WEAPON, AND IN TURKEY CIA DIRECTOR WILLIAM BURNS WARNED HIS RUSSIAN COUNTERPART OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF SUCH A 81 00:10:43,342 --> 00:10:53,285 MOVE. >> HERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A DIRTY BOMB OR A REAL BOMB -- I MEAN, THIS KIND 82 00:10:53,352 --> 00:11:02,294 OF IDEA OF NUCLEAR ARMAGEDDON BECAUSE COUNTRIES ARE NOW THROWING THE IDEA OF USING A NUCLEAR WEAPON. 83 00:11:02,361 --> 00:11:09,668 >> YES. >> THEY'RE JUST THROWING IT UP IN THE AIR. >> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT USING 84 00:11:09,735 --> 00:11:15,474 NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS "YOU COULD THIS MORTAR OR THAT HOWITZER OR THAT..." I MEAN, THIS IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BALL GAME. 85 00:11:15,541 --> 00:11:20,746 >> SO, HEADS OF STATE SHOULD NOT BE THROWING THIS AROUND. >> THEY SHOULD NOT BE DOING THAT. 86 00:11:20,813 --> 00:11:28,120 >> RAFAEL GROSSI, AT 61, HAS BEEN WORKING TO PREVENT THE PROLIFERATION OF NUKES FOR ALMOST FOUR DECADES. 87 00:11:28,187 --> 00:11:36,562 HE'S SEEN HERE WITH HIS FELLOW ARGENTINIAN, POPE FRANCIS, AND HIS CHILDREN, SEVEN DAUGHTERS AND ONE SON. 88 00:11:36,629 --> 00:11:43,903 WE WATCHED HIM COACHING HIS SON'S SOCCER TEAM ON A RARE DAY OFF. HE'S BEEN PARTICULARLY BUSY, 89 00:11:43,969 --> 00:11:52,311 GIVEN THE NUMBER OF ROGUE STATES SUSPECTED OF DEVELOPING A BOMB. >> HOW CLOSE IS IRAN TO MAKING A NUCLEAR BOMB? 90 00:11:52,378 --> 00:12:03,456 >> AT THE CURRENT LEVEL OF PRODUCTION OF THIS ENRICHED URANIUM, IRAN HAS ACCUMULATED ALREADY ENOUGH MATERIAL TO HAVE 91 00:12:03,522 --> 00:12:08,727 MORE THAN ONE DEVICE, IF THEY CHOSE TO DO THAT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION THAT WOULD INDICATE 92 00:12:08,794 --> 00:12:19,271 THAT IRAN HAS A NUCLEAR WEAPON PROGRAM AT THE MOMENT. >> REALLY? >> REALLY. 93 00:12:19,338 --> 00:12:25,010 >> SO IF I SAID TO YOU, "HAVE WE REACHED THE POINT OF NO RETURN WITH IRAN? IS IT TIME TO JUST ADMIT THEY'RE 94 00:12:25,077 --> 00:12:31,851 A NUCLEAR POWER?" >> NO, WE HAVEN'T REACHED THAT POINT. BUT WE NEED TO WORK VERY HARD SO 95 00:12:31,917 --> 00:12:39,758 WE DON'T GET THERE. >> DIRECTOR GENERAL GROSSI IS CONCERNED ABOUT ANOTHER COUNTRY THAT HAS BECOME A MEMBER OF THE 96 00:12:39,825 --> 00:12:48,167 NUCLEAR CLUB, NORTH KOREA, WHICH IS EXPECTED TO CONDUCT ITS FIRST UNDERGROUND NUCLEAR TEST SINCE 2017. 97 00:12:48,234 --> 00:12:55,574 AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY ISSUE ON HIS PLATE IN THE PACIFIC. >> THE CHINESE ARE PROTESTING THE SALE OF EIGHT NUCLEAR 98 00:12:55,641 --> 00:13:05,117 SUBMARINES BY THE UNITED STATES AND GREAT BRITAIN TO AUSTRALIA. THE SUBS CONTAIN NUCLEAR WAR MATERIAL. 99 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:13,526 >> DO YOU PROTEST THE SALE? >> IF THEY WANT TO DO THIS, THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT WITH US. 100 00:13:13,592 --> 00:13:22,968 >> AND DOES AUSTRALIA HAVE A SPECIAL ARRANGEMENT WITH YOU? >> WE HAVE STARTED WORKING ON THAT, WHICH MEANS THAT WE SHOULD 101 00:13:23,035 --> 00:13:31,377 BE ABLE TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO INSPECT THIS NUCLEAR MATERIAL IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY SO THAT IT IS 102 00:13:31,443 --> 00:13:39,585 NOT DIVERTED, USED TO MAKE BOMBS. >> DO YOU THINK THIS AGREEMENT, IF IT SHOULD COME TO PASS, WOULD 103 00:13:39,652 --> 00:13:45,057 SATISFY THE CHINESE? HAVE YOU TALKED TO CHINA? >> WELL, CHINA HAS A VERY FIRM POSITION AGAINST THIS. 104 00:13:45,124 --> 00:13:50,362 THEY HAVE BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF IT. THEY HAVE EVEN BEEN VERY CRITICAL OF ME. 105 00:13:50,429 --> 00:13:57,670 >> THERE'S THIS ISSUE OF A DOUBLE STANDARD. YOU KNOW, IF THE SALE WAS TO LIBYA, THE WEST WOULD BE 106 00:13:57,736 --> 00:14:03,576 SCREAMING. AND THAT IT'S AUSTRALIA, WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY GET A PASS. DOUBLE STANDARD QUESTION. 107 00:14:03,642 --> 00:14:11,483 >> WELL, THEY MAY GET THEIR PASS. THEY WILL NOT GET MINE UNTIL I HAVE A SATISFACTORY AGREEMENT. 108 00:14:11,550 --> 00:14:22,528 >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE NUCLEAR POWER PLANT FOR ONE SECOND, TO ZAPORIZHZHIA. WHEN I REALIZED THAT A NUCLEAR 109 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:27,800 POWER PLANT WAS UNDER ATTACK, MY MIND CAN'T EVEN CALIBRATE WHAT THIS MEANS. >> IT'S MIND-BOGGLING, YEAH, 110 00:14:27,866 --> 00:14:35,140 EXACTLY. A DEMAND FOR PROTECTION OF THE PLANT IS VERY IMPORTANT. YOU DON'T SHELL A NUCLEAR POWER 111 00:14:35,207 --> 00:14:40,412 PLANT. YOU DON'T STORM A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. >> WHAT ABOUT USING A NUCLEAR 112 00:14:40,479 --> 00:14:46,218 POWER PLANT AS A MILITARY BASE? >> THIS IS PART OF THE AGREEMENT I HAVE PROPOSED. >> YEAH, BUT NO ONE'S AGREEING. 113 00:14:46,285 --> 00:14:55,961 >> THEY WILL. >> YOU THINK? >> I THINK. >> YOU'RE ALWAYS OPTIMISTIC, 114 00:14:56,028 --> 00:15:02,668 THIS IS YOU. >> I MUST. SHOULD I THROW THE TOWEL? IF I DO THAT, CAN YOU IMAGINE 115 00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:14,613 THAT? >>> THE WORLD CUP KICKED OFF TODAY IN QATAR, AND WHILE YOU'LL HEAR ALL MANNER OF OLES AND 116 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:21,453 ALLEZS OVER THE NEXT FOUR WEEKS, THIS MIGHT BE THE EVENT'S ULTIMATE SOUNDTRACK: GOT, GOT, NEED...IT'S NOT THE SCALPERS 117 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:27,259 HAWKING TICKETS, IT'S THE REFRAIN OF FANS SIFTING THROUGH PACKS OF WORLD CUP STICKERS. THINK SOCCER'S ANSWER TO 118 00:15:27,326 --> 00:15:35,167 BASEBALL CARDS. BEFORE THE 1970 WORLD CUP, FOUR BROTHERS IN ITALY, THE PANINIS, BEGAN PRINTING COLLECTIBLES 119 00:15:35,234 --> 00:15:41,473 FEATURING IMAGES OF PLAYERS FROM EVERY COUNTRY IN THE COMPETITION. MORE THAN 50 YEARS LATER, FANS 120 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:48,814 ALL OVER THE GLOBE SCOUR FOR THAT OBSCURE SERBIAN GOALKEEPER OR ELUSIVE LIONEL MESSI -- HOPING TO COMPLETE THEIR ALBUMS. 121 00:15:48,881 --> 00:15:54,119 THE PANINI STICKER PHENOMENON HAS BECOME A BOOMING, INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS AND A CENTRAL PART OF THE WORLD CUP 122 00:15:54,186 --> 00:16:09,468 EXPERIENCE. FOR MILLIONS OF SOCCER FANS, THE WORLD CUP UNOFFICIALLY BEGAN WEEKS AGO, WHEN THE PANINI 123 00:16:09,535 --> 00:16:16,842 STICKERS FOR THIS QUADRENNIAL EVENT SHOT ONTO THE MARKET. >> YES, MORGAN, MORGAN, MORGAN! >> OH, I GOT ARGENTINA! 124 00:16:16,909 --> 00:16:24,216 >> YES, I GOT RONALDO! >> IN A CLASSROOM IN THE TOWN OF SUDBURY, ENGLAND. >> IN THE THRUMMING CITIES OF 125 00:16:24,283 --> 00:16:34,226 SAO PAULO. >> AND MEXICO CITY... >> FANS OF ALL STRIPES EMBARKED ON A COMMON TREASURE HUNT. 126 00:16:34,293 --> 00:16:39,498 >> ANYBODY GOT THAT EXTRA RONALDO ONE? >> COLLECTING 670 STICKERS DEPICTING THE PLAYERS AND TEAMS 127 00:16:39,565 --> 00:16:44,737 FROM THIS WORLD CUP. >> I'M LIKE SHAKING. I FINALLY DID IT. >> ALL SO THEY CAN COMPLETE 128 00:16:44,803 --> 00:16:52,644 THEIR ALBUM... >> LISTEN, IF YOU HAVE GOLD OR PANINI STICKER TODAY, PEOPLE WILL GO FOR THE STICKER AND NOT 129 00:16:52,711 --> 00:16:56,348 THE GOLD. >> PANINI STICKER'S MORE VALUABLE THAN GOLD YOU'RE SAYING? 130 00:16:56,415 --> 00:17:01,186 >> TODAY, YES. >> FRANCESCO FURNARI IS THE BIGGEST OFFICIAL PANINI DISTRIBUTOR IN THE UNITED 131 00:17:01,253 --> 00:17:09,027 STATES. AN ITALIAN VENEZUELAN AMERICAN, HE IS THE ULTIMATE PANINI STICKER EVANGELIST. 132 00:17:09,094 --> 00:17:16,902 >> HE'S COMPLETED EVERY STICKER ALBUM SINCE 1974, INCLUDING THE 2022 VINTAGE...MANY TIMES OVER... 133 00:17:16,969 --> 00:17:24,243 >> I HAVE ALREADY SEVEN. >> YOU'VE -- YOU'RE A MAN IN YOUR 50s. [ LAUGHTER ] 134 00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:30,115 YOU HAVE SEVEN ALBUMS COMPLETED? >> AND, UH -- STILL COUNTING. [ LAUGHTER ] >> A PACK COSTS $1.20, AND 135 00:17:30,182 --> 00:17:39,057 FURNARI PREDICTS STICKER SALES FROM 2022 WILL REACH 100 MILLION PACKETS IN THE U.S. ALONE, NEARLY A BILLION WORLDWIDE. 136 00:17:39,124 --> 00:17:45,397 >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE PIECE OF PAPER WITH SOME ADHESIVE ON IT. WHAT MAKES THIS SO SPECIAL? 137 00:17:45,464 --> 00:17:52,871 >> JON, YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE ALL YOUR LEGENDS. YOU HAVE ALL YOUR BEST PLAYERS AT A DISTANCE OF, YOU KNOW, YOUR 138 00:17:52,938 --> 00:17:59,611 HAND. YOU CAN TOUCH THEM, YOU CAN TALK TO THEM. IT'S FANTASTIC. 139 00:17:59,678 --> 00:18:06,552 >> HOW COVETED ARE THESE THINGS? WHEN ARGENTINA RAN OUT OF STICKERS IN SEPTEMBER, ITS SECRETARY OF COMMERCE CALLED AN 140 00:18:06,618 --> 00:18:13,926 EMERGENCY MEETING TO SOLVE THIS NATIONAL CRISIS. >> WE LIVE IN A DIGITAL WORLD. HOW ARE THESE PAPER STICKERS 141 00:18:13,992 --> 00:18:28,140 STILL THIS POPULAR? >> THIS SENSATION, JON, TO GET A PACK, TO RIP IT OUT, TO SMELL IT, TO OPEN IT, AND TO FIND THE 142 00:18:28,207 --> 00:18:34,980 PLAYERS RIGHT HERE, THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN REPLICATE IT IN AN ELECTRONIC WAY. >> SO YOU EVEN HAVE A METHOD FOR 143 00:18:35,047 --> 00:18:39,218 HOW YOU'RE RIPPING THAT PACKET OPEN? >> EVERY SINGLE PACK HAS TO BE DONE IN THE SAME WAY. 144 00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:44,456 BY THE WAY, I'VE OPENED AT LEAST -- >> YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. >> -- PROBABLY 2,000 PACKS UP 145 00:18:44,523 --> 00:18:50,262 UNTIL NOW. OH, MY GOD, GERMANY. >> THIS WAS A GOOD ONE? GOOD PACK? 146 00:18:50,329 --> 00:18:56,568 >> THAT WAS A GOOD PULL. I LOVE IT. >> WE WENT TO MODENA, ITALY, TO PANINI'S HEADQUARTERS -- THE 147 00:18:56,635 --> 00:19:07,713 EQUIVALENT OF WILLY WONKA'S FACTORY. >> AS PANINIS ROLLED OFF THE PRESS 21 HOURS A DAY, 11 MILLION 148 00:19:07,779 --> 00:19:19,291 PACKETS A DAY, EACH CONTAINING FIVE STICKERS, THE HEADLINERS -- >> MBAPPE, MESSI, MODRIC...AND THE COMING STARS...PLAYERS WITH 149 00:19:19,358 --> 00:19:28,267 FOUR NAMES, AND THERE'S FRED. [ CHURCH BELL] >> THE PHENOMENON STARTED HERE, NEXT TO THE CATHEDRAL, AT A 150 00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:34,039 NEWSPAPER KIOSK IN THE CENTER OF TOWN. AFTER WORLD WAR II, OLGA PANINI, A WIDOW, RAN THE NEWSSTAND WITH 151 00:19:34,106 --> 00:19:41,513 HER FOUR SONS. NOT UNLIKE A SOCCER TEAM, EACH HAD A SPECIAL SKILL, THE OLDEST SON, GIUSEPPE, WAS THE DREAMER 152 00:19:41,580 --> 00:19:47,753 WITH THE BIG PLANS... >> SALUTE, CHEERS. >> WE MET GIUSEPPE'S SON, ANTONIO, AND GIUSEPPE'S NIECES, 153 00:19:47,819 --> 00:19:54,092 LAURA AND LUCIA PANINI IN MODENA. >> HE WAS LIKE A VOLCANO. HE HAD MANY, MANY IDEAS. 154 00:19:54,159 --> 00:20:00,399 >> A VOLCANO? >> A VOLCANO, YES. >> GIUSEPPE'S INITIAL IDEA WAS TO SELL CARDS DEPICTING FLOWERS. 155 00:20:00,465 --> 00:20:06,171 >> AND WAS A DISASTER. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT THEY REALIZED THAT THE FORMULA WAS OKAY, NOT THE 156 00:20:06,238 --> 00:20:13,579 SUBJECT. >> SHORT OF LIRE, GIUSEPPE HAD, AS IT WERE, ONE LAST SHOT ON GOAL. 157 00:20:13,645 --> 00:20:20,919 IT WAS 1961, AND HE TURNED TO A NEW SUBJECT: ITALIAN SOCCER. IT WAS A HIT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE KIDS. 158 00:20:20,986 --> 00:20:28,327 >> EVEN IF PRODUCTION WAS RUDIMENTARY... >> ALL THE STICKERS WERE PRINTED AND THEN WERE CUT. 159 00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:43,208 AND THEY WERE MIXING WITH A SHOVEL AT THE BEGINNING. >> TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE NO DUPLICATES. 160 00:20:43,275 --> 00:20:46,912 >> THEY REPLACED A SHOVEL WITH A CHURN, THE ONE THEY USE NORMALLY FOR MAKING BUTTER OR CHEESE. >> WITH A BUTTER CHURN? 161 00:20:46,979 --> 00:20:52,217 >> YES, YES. [ LAUGHTER ] AND THEY HAD A HANDLE, AND THEY WERE MOVING THIS HANDLE, AND IT 162 00:20:52,284 --> 00:20:56,955 WAS WORKING. >> GIUSEPPE'S BROTHER UMBERTO, THE FAMILY ENGINEER, INVENTED MACHINERY THAT MIXED STICKERS TO 163 00:20:57,022 --> 00:21:02,260 PREVENT DREADED DUPLICATES IN EACH PACK. HIS CONTRAPTIONS WERE SO SUCCESSFUL, THE DESIGNS ARE 164 00:21:02,327 --> 00:21:08,600 STILL IN USE TODAY, 60 YEARS LATER... >> AND ENABLED THE BROTHERS TO SCALE UP THEIR AMBITIONS. 165 00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:13,872 BEFORE THE 1970 WORLD CUP IN MEXICO, THEY PAID A THOUSAND DOLLARS CASH TO SOCCER'S GOVERNING BODY TO BUY THE RIGHTS 166 00:21:13,939 --> 00:21:22,814 TO PRODUCE STICKERS OF THE PLAYERS, NOT LEAST THE GREAT PELE... >> SUDDENLY "PANINI" BECAME 167 00:21:22,881 --> 00:21:27,552 CHIEFLY ASSOCIATED NOT WITH A SANDWICH BUT WITH A WORLDWIDE PASTIME. THE GROWTH OF THE STICKERS 168 00:21:27,619 --> 00:21:37,562 MIRRORING THE GROWTH OF SOCCER. >> ESPANA OTTANTADUE, SPAIN 82. >> ANTONIO ALLEGRA, PANINI'S MARKETING DIRECTOR, TOLD US HOW 169 00:21:37,629 --> 00:21:41,166 COLLECTING THE WORLD CUP ALBUMS OVER THE DECADES BECAME A RITE OF PASSAGE, ALSO A WAY TO MARK TIME. 170 00:21:41,233 --> 00:21:48,440 >> WOW. IT'S THE FIRST APPEARANCE FOR DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA IN THE WORLD CUP. 171 00:21:48,507 --> 00:21:53,912 >> THIS IS MARADONA'S FIRST WORLD CUP? >> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. >> THIS ONE IS GERMANY 2006. 172 00:21:53,979 --> 00:22:00,752 AND HERE WE HAVE A VERY, VERY YOUNG MESSI. >> THIS, THIS TEENAGER RIGHT HERE. 173 00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:06,625 >> YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, HE IS 19. >> THERE ARE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE FALLEN OFF THE MAP...AND HAIRSTYLES THAT HAVE FALLEN OUT 174 00:22:06,692 --> 00:22:13,999 OF FASHION... >> HE LOOKS LIKE THE DRUMMER. >> WHAT SIZE IS THAT? >> THAT'S THE ONE, MATE. 175 00:22:14,066 --> 00:22:20,405 >> TODAY, PANINI STICKER PHOTO SHOOTS, LIKE THIS ONE IN ENGLAND, ARE THE WORLD CUP EQUIVALENT OF SCHOOL PICTURE 176 00:22:20,472 --> 00:22:27,145 DAY. >> LOVELY, JUBLY, THANK YOU. >> BACK IN ITALY, MARCELLA MANNORI IS PANINI'S PROJECT 177 00:22:27,212 --> 00:22:31,883 MANAGER OVERSEEING IMAGE CONTROL. >> SOMETIMES THESE PICTURES ARE NOT PERFECT. 178 00:22:31,950 --> 00:22:44,496 MIGHT BE TOO DARK, MAYBE THERE'S A PIMPLE ON SOMEONE'S FACE. AND WE'RE ASKED TO REMOVE IT. >> A LITTLE PHOTOSHOP? 179 00:22:44,563 --> 00:22:49,801 >> CORRECT. >> HEARD ONE STORY OF A FEDERATION ONCE GETTING IN TOUCH AND SAYING, "THIS GUY'S REALLY 180 00:22:49,868 --> 00:22:54,005 UGLY. CAN YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT?" >> YES, IT'S THE TRUTH. >> SHOULD WE NAME NAMES? 181 00:22:54,072 --> 00:22:58,744 >> NO, I'M STILL WORKING WITH THESE PEOPLE. [ LAUGHTER ] >> SO WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU 182 00:22:58,810 --> 00:23:03,014 GET THAT CALL? >> WE -- FIRST REPLY IS OF COURSE, "NO, NO WORRY. I MEAN, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE 183 00:23:03,081 --> 00:23:07,753 THE PICTURE." SECOND TIME, THIRD TIME, FOURTH TIME. THE FOURTH TIME I WILL SAY, 184 00:23:07,819 --> 00:23:15,127 "LISTEN, THIS IS HIS FACE, [ LAUGHTER ] IT'S HIS FACE, I'M SORRY. I MEAN WE DID ALL WE COULD. 185 00:23:15,193 --> 00:23:21,466 >> WHAT DO PLAYERS THINK OF STICKER MADNESS? WE ASKED GIGI BUFFON... >> WHO LITERALLY SAVED ITALY 186 00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:28,340 DURING ITS RUN TO THE WORLD CUP TROPHY IN 2006. >> GOOD BALL IN, ZIDANE! AND WHAT A SAVE BY BUFFON. 187 00:23:28,406 --> 00:23:37,816 >> ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER GOALKEEPERS. >> AT AGE 44, HE'S NOT ONLY STILL PLAYING. 188 00:23:37,883 --> 00:23:44,156 >> BUT -- LET'S KEEP THIS BETWEEN US -- HE'S STILL COLLECTING STICKERS, A HOBBY SINCE CHILDHOOD. 189 00:23:44,222 --> 00:23:52,063 >> WHEN YOU STILL COLLECT, WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR STICKERS? >> Translator: NOW AND AGAIN, I LIKE THE RITUAL OF GOING TO THE 190 00:23:52,130 --> 00:23:58,904 KIOSK TO BUY, SAY, TEN PACKETS OF STICKERS. IT'S A LITTLE EMBARRASSING, BUT NOW I CAN SAY TO THE KIOSK OWNER 191 00:23:58,970 --> 00:24:04,776 THE STICKERS ARE FOR MY KIDS, AND HE BELIEVES ME. >> BUFFON LET US IN ON ANOTHER SECRET. 192 00:24:04,843 --> 00:24:14,786 >> DO THE PLAYERS SWAP STICKERS IN THE LOCKER ROOM? >> Translator: YES. I THINK IF WE WERE REALLY TO 193 00:24:14,853 --> 00:24:21,660 INVESTIGATE ALL THE PLAYERS IN THE LOCKER ROOM, I THINK 60 TO 70% FILLED THE ALBUM. >> BUFFON APPEARED IN FOUR WORLD 194 00:24:21,726 --> 00:24:27,933 CUP ALBUMS, AGING BEFORE OUR EYES -- AND HIS... >> WE HAVE VISUAL AIDS. >> OOH! 195 00:24:27,999 --> 00:24:34,306 >> HIS FAVORITE STICKER WAS FOR THE 2006 ALBUM -- THE LAST TIME ITALY TRIUMPHED AT THE WORLD CUP. 196 00:24:34,372 --> 00:24:40,078 >> YOU'VE HAD YOUR PICTURE TAKEN THOUSANDS OF TIMES, BUT YOU UNDERSTOOD THIS IS FOR GENERATIONS. 197 00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:49,554 >> Translator: YES, FOR SURE. FOR ME IT WAS A SOLEMN MOMENT, BECAUSE THERE WAS A KIND OF RESPECT THAT I HAD TO SHOW 198 00:24:49,621 --> 00:24:59,064 TOWARDS GIGI THE CHILD AND TO THE DREAMS OF GIGI THE CHILD. [ LAUGHTER ] >> AN HOUR FROM BUFFON'S 199 00:24:59,130 --> 00:25:03,869 PRACTICE FIELD IN PARMA, WE MET ANOTHER CHILD AT HEART, GIANNI BELLINI. >> YOU MUST HAVE THOUSANDS OF 200 00:25:03,935 --> 00:25:12,277 STICKERS. >> CONSIDERED THE MOST PROLIFIC PANINI COLLECTOR IN THE WORLD. >> THE DEBUT EDITION, MEXICO 201 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:20,185 1970, IS THE HOLY GRAIL OF WORLD CUP STICKER ALBUMS. THIS GUY HAS FIVE OF THEM, AND HE AIN'T SELLIN'. 202 00:25:20,252 --> 00:25:27,025 >> OH, MY GOD, GEES. FLOOR TO CEILING. >> HE LIVES IN WHAT IS LESS A HOME THAN A STICKER REPOSITORY. 203 00:25:27,092 --> 00:25:35,433 >> EVEN IN YOUR DAUGHTER'S ROOM. >> YOU MIGHT HAVE BASEBALL CARDS IN YOUR ATTIC, HE HAS HALF A MILLION STICKERS SPILLING OUT OF 204 00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:42,274 EVERY DRAWER. >> BELLINI EVEN HAS WHOLE SHEETS OF THEM HIDDEN UNDER A TABLECLOTH. 205 00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:47,545 NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO EAT ON THE TABLE BECAUSE IT'S TOO SACRED. >> IS VERY RARE. >> THESE ARE ALL RARE. 206 00:25:47,612 --> 00:25:53,885 >> LUCKY FOR GIANNI, HIS LONG-SUFFERING WIFE, GIOVANNA, HAS A SENSE OF HUMOR. >> HEAVEN FORBID THERE WERE A 207 00:25:53,952 --> 00:25:58,623 FIRE TONIGHT, YOU HAD TO GO BACK INTO YOUR HOUSE, WHAT WOULD YOU RESCUE FIRST? >> Translator: OBVIOUSLY THE 208 00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:04,763 STICKERS. IF THERE IS A FIRE, MY WIFE WOULD RUN AWAY WITH HER OWN LEGS. 209 00:26:04,829 --> 00:26:10,268 >> YOUR WIFE CAN FEND FOR HERSELF, BUT THE STICKERS CAN'T. >> EXACTLY. >> SATURDAY NIGHTS ARE ALL RIGHT 210 00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:15,507 FOR STICKING AT THE BELLINI HOUSEHOLD. WHILE GIOVANNA WATCHES A MOVIE, GIANNI FILLS HIS ALBUM...AND 211 00:26:15,573 --> 00:26:22,948 NEVER FORGETS A FACE. >> YOU REMEMBER 50 YEARS LATER WHAT THE LAST PLAYER WAS YOU NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE ALBUM? 212 00:26:23,014 --> 00:26:29,254 >> I ALSO REMEMBER THE FIRST STICKER THAT I GOT IN A PACK WHICH WAS SERGIO CARANTINI, A DEFENDER FROM VICENZA. 213 00:26:29,321 --> 00:26:34,125 >> IT'S LIKE YOUR FIRST GIRLFRIEND. >> Translator: HER I DON'T REMEMBER. 214 00:26:34,192 --> 00:26:41,733 [ LAUGHTER ] >> HE'S NOT ALONE IN HIS SOCCER NOSTALGIA. THOSE KIDS WHO GREW UP IN THE 215 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:49,074 '70s COLLECTING STICKERS ARE NOW GRANDPARENTS AND PARENTS, PASSING DOWN THE TRADITION -- LIKE FRANCESCO FURNARI IN 216 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:55,413 FLORIDA. >> THINK ABOUT THIS. THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN FIND A PRODUCT THAT YOU CAN HAVE 217 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,151 DIFFERENT GENERATIONS DOING AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S FANTASTIC. >> HERE'S WHAT ELSE MAKES IT 218 00:27:00,218 --> 00:27:08,660 EXCEPTIONAL. >> MEXICO, POLAND... >> ALMOST EVERYONE THAT COMPLETES THEIR ALBUM DOES SO 219 00:27:08,727 --> 00:27:13,398 NOT THROUGH PURCHASE POWER... >> DID YOU WANT TO TRADE FOR THIS ONE? >> OH, YEAH, ARE YOU TRADING 220 00:27:13,465 --> 00:27:18,703 THAT USA ONE? >> BUT THROUGH OLD-FASHIONED, FACE-TO-FACE TRADING. AROUND THE WORLD, THERE ARE 221 00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:27,746 PANINI STICKERS SWAPPING SESSIONS THAT ARE ORGANIZED, OTHERS THAT ARE IMPROMPTU. >> THIS NEXT MONTH IN THE DESERT 222 00:27:27,812 --> 00:27:33,952 OF QATAR... >> MBAPPE'S GOT ANOTHER ONE! >> ONE COUNTRY WILL LIFT THE TROPHY, BUT MILLIONS WILL FEEL 223 00:27:34,019 --> 00:27:40,825 THEIR PERSONAL VERSION OF WORLD CUP GLORY. >> YOU'VE SEEN PEOPLE COMPLETE THEIR ALBUMS. 224 00:27:40,892 --> 00:27:47,132 WHAT IS THAT FEELING LIKE WHEN YOU GET THAT VERY LAST STICKER? >> LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY. WHENEVER YOU PLAY SOCCER AND YOU 225 00:27:47,198 --> 00:27:54,539 SCORE A GOAL IN THE FINAL OF THE TOURNAMENT, THAT'S KIND OF THE FEELING YOU HAVE WHENEVER YOU COMPLETE AN ALBUM. 226 00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:59,811 >> BRAZIL... >> IT'S AN OLD-TIMEY, ANALOG HOBBY, NO SCREEN REQUIRED. IT RELIES ON THE HUMANITY OF 227 00:27:59,878 --> 00:28:04,616 TOUCH. >> I'LL TAKE FRED. >> I'VE GOT PELE. >> OKAY, THANKS. 228 00:28:04,682 --> 00:28:13,091 >> AND THE VALUE IS LARGELY SENTIMENTAL. BUT IN THESE TRIBAL, POLARIZED TIMES, LEAVE IT TO STICKERS TO 229 00:28:13,158 --> 00:28:19,631 TAKE PEOPLE AND COUNTRIES AND BIND THEM TOGETHER. >> YES, THE ARGENTINIAN TEAM. 230 00:28:26,171 --> 00:28:41,986 >>> MISSING A PANINI STICKER? HOW TO COMPLETE YOUR COLLECTION AT >>> THERE ARE MORE THAN 75,000 231 00:28:42,053 --> 00:28:48,860 WILD HORSES ROAMING PUBLIC LAND IN THE WEST. "WILD HORSES" ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF DOMESTICATED 232 00:28:48,927 --> 00:28:57,268 HORSES, THE FIRST, BROUGHT HERE BY SPANISH EXPLORERS 50 YEARS AGO. BY 1971, THEIR NUMBERS WERE 233 00:28:57,335 --> 00:29:02,073 DWINDLING AND CONGRESS STEPPED IN PASSING A LAW TO PROTECT THIS ROMANTIC FRAGMENT OF OUR HISTORY. 234 00:29:02,140 --> 00:29:08,379 IT WORKED...ALMOST TOO WELL. TODAY, FEDERAL LAND MANAGERS SAY THE NUMBER OF WILD HORSES IS NEARLY THREE TIMES WHAT IT 235 00:29:08,446 --> 00:29:14,686 SHOULD BE. AND LEFT UNCHECKED, THEIR POPULATION CAN DOUBLE EVERY FIVE YEARS. 236 00:29:14,752 --> 00:29:24,596 SO WHEN WE HEARD ABOUT A PROGRAM IN WYOMING DESIGNED TO REIN IN THE WILD HORSES, AND AN UNLIKELY GROUP OF MEN, WE HEADED WEST. 237 00:29:24,662 --> 00:29:32,070 >> IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE ANYTHING SURVIVING ON THIS STRETCH OF BADLANDS IN NORTHERN WYOMING. SAGEBRUSH BLANKETS THE HIGH 238 00:29:32,137 --> 00:29:37,842 DESERT ALL THE WAY TO THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS. BUT IN THIS EMPTY QUARTER OF THE COWBOY STATE IS A THUNDERING 239 00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:55,193 HERD OF MUSTANGS...UNTOUCHED, WILD AND BREATHTAKINGLY BEAUTIFUL. BUT WILD HORSES CAN ALSO WRECK 240 00:29:55,260 --> 00:30:02,033 THE RANGELANDS THEY ROAM. GOVERNMENT LAND MANAGERS SAY, IN THE WEST, WILD HORSES ARE COMPETING WITH CATTLE AND 241 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:09,407 WILDLIFE FOR INCREASINGLY SCARCE WATER AND FOOD AND THEIR OVERPOPULATION OFTEN FURTHER STRAINS THE ENVIRONMENT. 242 00:30:09,474 --> 00:30:14,145 >> SO THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT REGULARLY ROUNDS UP WILD HORSES. MAINLY BY USING SMALL 243 00:30:14,212 --> 00:30:22,053 HELICOPTERS TO LOCATE, CAPTURE AND TRUCK THEM OFF TO CORRALS OR ENCLOSED PASTURES LIKE THIS ONE. A HORSE CAN LIVE FOR ABOUT 20 244 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:30,995 YEARS AND MOST OF THESE HORSES WILL REMAIN HERE UNTIL THEY DIE. >> THE WIND RIVER WILD HORSE SANCTUARY OUTSIDE LANDER, 245 00:30:31,062 --> 00:30:35,200 WYOMING, IS RUN BY JESS OLDHAM AND HIS FAMILY. >> TALK ABOUT THE HORSES THAT ARE HERE. 246 00:30:35,266 --> 00:30:39,938 FOR MOST OF EM, THIS IS IT, RIGHT? >> YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE THE 225 LONG-TERM 247 00:30:40,004 --> 00:30:44,175 RESIDENTS AND -- >> LONG-TERM RESIDENTS? >> LONG-TERM RESIDENTS. >> SOUNDS LIKE A NURSING HOME. 248 00:30:44,242 --> 00:30:48,880 >> THAT'S WHAT I CALL THEM. I MEAN, THEY'RE PART OF OUR FAMILY. AND -- AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE 249 00:30:48,947 --> 00:30:54,686 HERE LONG TERM. >> AND THERE THEY GO. >> YES, MA'AM. >> THE 1,400 ACRE FACILITY IS ON 250 00:30:54,752 --> 00:30:59,390 AN INDIAN RESERVATION. THE OLDHAMs ARE ONE OF DOZENS OF CONTRACTORS PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT TO FEED AND CARE FOR 251 00:30:59,457 --> 00:31:04,229 MUSTANGS AFTER THEY'VE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE WILD. ACTIVISTS WANT THE HORSES TO REMAIN FREE. 252 00:31:04,295 --> 00:31:11,035 >> WHY NOT JUST LET THE WILD HORSES BE WILD AND RUN? >> THE HARSH REALITY IS ECOSYSTEMS ARE A DELICATE 253 00:31:11,102 --> 00:31:15,773 BALANCE OF EACH SPECIES CO-EXISTING TOGETHER IN THE ENVIRONMENT. THERE IS A LIMITED AMOUNT OF 254 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,545 RESOURCES IN GRASS AND WATER. AND THE WILD HORSES ARE A VERY DOMINANT SPECIES. THEY'RE SMART. 255 00:31:20,612 --> 00:31:25,283 THEY'RE FAST. THEY EAT A LOT OF FOOD. AND THEY NEED TO BE PROPERLY MANAGED. 256 00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:31,589 >> KEEPING COUNT OF ALL THOSE HORSES IS HOLLE WADDELL, THE DIVISION CHIEF OF THE PROGRAM THAT OVERSEES WILD HORSES FOR 257 00:31:31,656 --> 00:31:40,565 THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT. >> HOW MANY WILD HORSES IS THE GOVERNMENT NOW CARING FOR? >> SO WE ARE CURRENTLY CARING 258 00:31:40,632 --> 00:31:46,371 FOR OVER 57,000 WILD HORSES. >> AND CARING FOR THEM IS NOT INEXPENSIVE. >> NO. 259 00:31:46,437 --> 00:31:53,778 THE COST OF CARE FOR WILD HORSES IN OUR OFF-RANGE CORRALS AND PASTURES WAS TWO-THIRDS OF OUR BUDGET LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS A 260 00:31:53,845 --> 00:31:59,984 LITTLE OVER $70 MILLION. >> $70 MILLION TO CARE FOR THE WILD HORSES. >> TAXPAYER DOLLARS. 261 00:32:00,051 --> 00:32:11,229 >> TO RELIEVE SOME OF THE BURDEN ON TAXPAYERS, LAST YEAR, THE BUREAU SAYS 3,742 MUSTANGS CAME OFF THE GOVERNMENT ROLLS THROUGH 262 00:32:11,296 --> 00:32:18,569 AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM THAT PAYS INDIVIDUALS A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ADOPT ONE. WILD HORSES ATTRACT RELATIVELY 263 00:32:18,636 --> 00:32:24,942 FEW TAKERS. BUT THESE HORSES DID. >> PICKED FOR THEIR YOUTH, BALANCE, AND TEMPERAMENT, THAT 264 00:32:25,009 --> 00:32:33,918 ARE SENT TO BE TRAINED IN, OF ALL PLACES, PRISONS, LIKE THE WYOMING HONOR FARM. IT'S A 640-ACRE COMPOUND OF TIDY 265 00:32:33,985 --> 00:32:41,793 BUILDINGS, MANICURED LAWNS, CATTLE AND ENOUGH HAY TO FEED THEM. IT MAY LOOK LIKE A DUDE-RANCH, 266 00:32:41,859 --> 00:32:47,632 BUT THIS IS A STATE-RUN MNIMUM-SECURITY PRISON WITH FELONS WORKING THE LAND AND THE HORSES. 267 00:32:47,699 --> 00:32:55,006 THERE ARE NO TOWERS OR ARMED GUARDS, A SIMPLE 4-FOOT CATTLE FENCE MARKS THE PERIMETER BETWEEN THE PRISON AND THE TOWN 268 00:32:55,073 --> 00:33:00,311 OF RIVERTON, WYOMING. >> YEAH, WYOMING HAS A TENDENCY TO DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE WE'RE A 269 00:33:00,378 --> 00:33:06,150 SMALLER STATE. AND I THINK IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS. UNTIL YOU SEE IT YOU CAN'T 270 00:33:06,217 --> 00:33:16,694 ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT YOURSELF. >> CURTIS MOFFAT HAS SPENT HIS ENTIRE CAREER IN CORRECTIONS. HE'S THE WARDEN ON THE FARM AND 271 00:33:16,761 --> 00:33:22,500 ABOUT THE ONLY ONE HERE WHO DOESN'T WEAR COWBOY BOOTS TO WORK. >> THE THING THAT STRUCK ME WHEN 272 00:33:22,567 --> 00:33:27,238 YOU DRIVE UP, YOU SEE A 4-FOOT-HIGH CATTLE FENCE. WHAT'S TO STOP AN INMATE FROM MAKING A RUN FOR IT OR RIDING 273 00:33:27,305 --> 00:33:32,510 OFF INTO THE SUNSET? >> REALISTICALLY, HIMSELF. MOST OF THESE GUYS ARE AT THE END OF THEIR SENTENCE. 274 00:33:32,577 --> 00:33:37,248 SO MOST OF THEM DON'T WANT TO DESTROY THAT OR, YOU KNOW, CATCH ANOTHER NUMBER, DO ANOTHER FIVE YEARS OR SO. 275 00:33:37,315 --> 00:33:42,487 IT'S ON THEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. >> MOST INMATES HAVE EARNED THE 276 00:33:42,553 --> 00:33:50,928 RIGHT TO BE HERE, TRANSFERRED FOR GOOD BEHAVIOR FROM MORE RESTRICTIVE STATE PRISONS. AND EACH DAY ABOUT 30 INMATES 277 00:33:50,995 --> 00:33:59,337 REPORT TO WORK IN A MAZE OF CHUTES AND PENS WITH WILD HORSES WEIGHING UP TO 1,000 POUNDS. THEIR JOB IS TO TRANSFORM THESE 278 00:33:59,404 --> 00:34:05,209 MUSTANGS FROM WILD BURDENS OF THE STATE INTO RIDING HORSES THAT CAN FETCH THOUSANDS AT AUCTION. 279 00:34:05,276 --> 00:34:11,516 >> THESE GUYS ARE HERE TO DO THEIR TIME. BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT CHANGING THEIR LIFE, PUT A CHANGE IN THEM 280 00:34:11,582 --> 00:34:18,923 IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION. >> TRAVIS SHOOPMAN IS THE COWBOY IN CHARGE. HE'S THE MANAGER OF THE FARM. 281 00:34:18,990 --> 00:34:24,729 >> COME ON, BEAUTY QUEENS. >> SHOOPMAN SPENT HIS LIFE TEACHING THE ART OF TRAINING HORSES. 282 00:34:24,796 --> 00:34:29,434 IT SHOWS IN A STRIDE KINKED BY OLD FRACTURES. >> HAVE YOU EVER HAD A HALTER ON THIS HORSE, MR. SUCHOR? 283 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:34,739 >> NEVER. >> AND A VOICE BOTH FIRM AND CALM -- AS MUCH FOR THE INMATES AS THE HORSES. 284 00:34:34,806 --> 00:34:39,977 >> DO THE ROPE-A-DOPE AND THROW THE ROPE INTO YOUR HAND. DO NOT GET KICKED. >> IT TAKES TIME TO TRAIN A WILD 285 00:34:40,044 --> 00:34:45,249 HORSE, BUT SHOOPMAN SAYS THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT HOW IT STARTS. >> YOU WALK HIM IN THERE, LIKE 286 00:34:45,316 --> 00:34:49,987 YOU JUST KINDA RIP OFF THE BAND-AID AND THE HUMAN GOES IN THERE. DON'T CHASE HIM. 287 00:34:50,054 --> 00:34:55,293 >> WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? >> THEN YOU TEACH THEM TO YIELD TO PRESSURE. SO, YOU STOP THE FORWARD 288 00:34:55,359 --> 00:35:00,565 MOVEMENT, TEACH THEM THAT IF THEY MOVE FORWARD TOWARDS YOU, THE PRESSURE GOES AWAY. AND THEN FROM THERE YOU GET TO 289 00:35:00,631 --> 00:35:06,404 WHERE YOU CAN TOUCH THEM, YOU GET TO WHERE YOU CAN PET THEM, INTRODUCE A HALTER, GET THEM HALTER BROKE. 290 00:35:06,471 --> 00:35:14,812 AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT TRUST. LIKE, THEY UNDERSTAND IF THEY GIVE UP THEIR RIGHT OF FLIGHT TO STAY WITH YOU, THERE'S SOME 291 00:35:14,879 --> 00:35:22,720 TRUST THERE. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE HORSES OR THE INMATES? >> THE HORSES. 292 00:35:22,787 --> 00:35:26,958 WE ARE IN THE PEOPLE BUSINESS AND HELPING THE HORSES IS EXTRA. BUT THE GUYS REALLY LEARN A LOT OF LIFE LESSONS FROM THE HORSES. 293 00:35:27,024 --> 00:35:34,832 THEY LEARN TO TRY, THEY LEARN TO NOT LIE TO THEMSELVES ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS, THEY LEARN TO CONTROL WHETHER IT'S THE HIGHEST 294 00:35:34,899 --> 00:35:41,672 OF HIGH EMOTIONS OR THE LOWEST OF LOW EMOTIONS. >> NO ONE HERE "BREAKS" A HORSE. THE METHOD USED AT THE FARM IS 295 00:35:41,739 --> 00:35:50,648 CALLED "GENTLING." FORCE IS REPLACED BY PATIENCE, PERSISTENCE, AND AN EVEN KEEL. IN ANY PEN ON ANY DAY, YOU CAN 296 00:35:50,715 --> 00:36:00,157 SEE IT PLAY OUT. A BALLET IN DUSTY BOOTS. A DELICATE DANCE OF INCHES, REPEATED A HUNDRED TIMES OVER, 297 00:36:00,224 --> 00:36:09,700 DAYS IN THE MAKING FOR THIS -- THE FIRST HUMAN TOUCH. NEXT DOOR, A MUSTANG IN FULL GALLOP, A RUNAWAY TRAIN, YIELDS 298 00:36:09,767 --> 00:36:15,506 AND STOPS ON COMMAND. >> THERE YOU GO. THERE YOU GO. YOU GOT A GOOD WIN. 299 00:36:15,573 --> 00:36:20,211 >> WE'RE WATCHING ALL THESE THINGS, STEP BY STEP BY STEP. BUT THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. 300 00:36:20,278 --> 00:36:24,982 >> NO. SOMETIMES IT'LL TAKE FOUR WEEKS. SOMETIMES IT'LL TAKE FOUR MONTHS TO DO THESE STEPS. 301 00:36:25,049 --> 00:36:33,391 AND A WILD HORSE TAKES A LITTLE BIT LONGER SOMETIMES. >> MICHAEL DAVIS HAS BEEN RIDING HORSES HIS WHOLE LIFE. 302 00:36:33,457 --> 00:36:39,697 HE'S SERVING 15 TO 20 YEARS FOR VOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER. HE'S ELIGIBLE FOR PAROLE IN A LITTLE OVER THREE YEARS. 303 00:36:39,764 --> 00:36:48,072 >> IF YOU'RE MAD, IF YOU'RE SCARED, THAT HORSE KNOWS BEFORE YOU EVER EVEN TOUCH IT. HOW THEY KNOW, I DON'T. 304 00:36:48,139 --> 00:36:51,776 YOU HAVE TO CONTROL YOUR FEELINGS CONSIDERABLY WITH THE HORSE BECAUSE IT IS SO EASY FOR THEM TO PICK UP ON YOUR MOOD. 305 00:36:51,842 --> 00:36:56,047 >> SO YOU'RE GOOD AT CONTROLLING YOUR FEELINGS WITH THE HORSE. BUT WITH PEOPLE, HOW ARE YOU DOING? 306 00:36:56,113 --> 00:37:00,751 >> NOT REAL GREAT. >> YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT? >> I HAVE MY MOMENTS. I'M STILL WORKING ON IT. 307 00:37:00,818 --> 00:37:08,192 BUT WE'RE GETTING BETTER. >> DAVIS IS AN OLD COWBOY, AND ONE OF ONLY A FEW INMATES HERE WHO CAN HANDLE THIS -- THIS 308 00:37:08,259 --> 00:37:19,303 HORSE HAS NEVER HAD A MAN ON ITS BACK, UNTIL NOW. A REMARKABLE SKILL THAT CAN'T BE ACQUIRED WITHOUT A FEW SCARS. 309 00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:26,077 >> I'VE GOT BROKEN ANKLE, A SEPARATED SHOULDER, A BROKEN COLLARBONE, STITCHES IN MY HEAD, BROKEN HAND. 310 00:37:26,143 --> 00:37:31,882 FINGERS, LOTS OF FINGERS. >> WHAT HAS THE PROGRAM TAUGHT YOU? WHAT'S IT MEANT TO YOU? 311 00:37:31,949 --> 00:37:37,655 >> A LITTLE PIECE OF FREEDOM. I MEAN, I'M WEARING BOOTS AND JEANS INSTEAD OF HOSPITAL SCRUBS. 312 00:37:37,722 --> 00:37:44,528 AND, I MEAN, IT'S HOT OUT HERE, BUT IT'S A GOOD HOT. IT'S AS CLOSE TO BEING OUTSIDE AS I CAN UNTIL I GET OUTSIDE. 313 00:37:44,595 --> 00:37:51,902 >> OUT HERE, IT IS EASY TO FORGET THIS IS A PRISON WITH 300 INMATES UNDER THE WATCHFUL EYE OF WARDEN MOFFAT. 314 00:37:51,969 --> 00:37:58,209 >> PEOPLE AT HOME WILL SAY, LIKE, THESE GUYS ARE FELONS, THEY'VE DONE TERRIBLE THINGS. COMMITTED AWFUL CRIMES, RUINED 315 00:37:58,275 --> 00:38:02,480 FAMILIES. WHY SHOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO BE OUT HERE, TO BE TRUSTED TO BE WORKING WITH THESE HORSES? 316 00:38:02,546 --> 00:38:06,717 >> WE DON'T PROVIDE THE SENTENCE TO THEM. WE DON'T PROVIDE THE PUNISHMENT FOR THEM. 317 00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:12,490 THE JUDGE DECIDED ALL OF THAT. OUR JOB IS TO SUPERVISE THEM WHILE THEY'RE IN HERE. AND HOPEFULLY RETURN THEM TO 318 00:38:12,556 --> 00:38:17,228 SOCIETY WHERE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUALS, WHERE THEY CAN BE LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS. 319 00:38:17,294 --> 00:38:23,567 I THINK THIS PROGRAM GOES A LONG WAY TO DO THAT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY GET OUT, AND WE CAN BELIEVE THAT 320 00:38:23,634 --> 00:38:28,305 THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL. AND THEY AREN'T GOING TO RE-OFFEND. >> YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE, RIGHT, 321 00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:35,880 THAT THE HORSES AREN'T RETURNED, AND THE INMATES DON'T RETURN? IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? >> RIGHT. 322 00:38:35,946 --> 00:38:43,254 >> IN WYOMING, THE RECIDIVISM RATE IS BELOW 30%, AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING ABOUT THAT 4-FOOT CATTLE FENCE, WELL, THE WARDEN 323 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,992 SAYS IN THE LAST 22 YEARS, FEWER THAN TEN INMATES HAVE MADE A RUN FOR IT. >> COME BACK DOWN TO A WALK. 324 00:38:48,059 --> 00:38:53,264 >> STAYING ON THE RIGHT OF THE FENCE IS NOT LOST ON PEYTONN SUCHOR, AN INMATE SERVING SEVEN TO TEN YEARS FOR 325 00:38:53,330 --> 00:39:00,104 AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. HE TRANSFERRED FROM A MAXIMUM-SECURITY PRISON A YEAR AGO AND CAME HERE WITH NO 326 00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:07,044 EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH HORSES. >> WHAT'S IT LIKE TO STEP INTO A PEN THE FIRST TIME WITH A WILD 800-POUND HORSE? 327 00:39:07,111 --> 00:39:14,919 >> ADRENALINE, HEART-POUNDING EXCITEMENT. BUT I WAS EXCITED TO DO IT BECAUSE ONCE YOU GET A HORSE TO 328 00:39:14,985 --> 00:39:22,293 GO THE DIRECTION YOU WANT AND THEN COME JOIN UP TO YOU AND YOU TURN AROUND AND HE'S RIGHT THERE, IT'S LIKE WOW. 329 00:39:22,359 --> 00:39:29,033 THIS ANIMAL, THIS CONNECTION, THIS FEELING. I CAN'T EXPLAIN IT. >> WHAT HAS THIS TAUGHT YOU 330 00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:37,575 ABOUT YOURSELF? >> IT'S TAUGHT ME RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S TAUGHT ME WHAT I WANNA DO 331 00:39:37,641 --> 00:39:41,779 FOR A CAREER WHEN I GET OUTTA HERE. THIS MAKES YOU LOOK AT LIFE A WHOLE DIFFERENT WAY. 332 00:39:41,846 --> 00:39:48,619 >> AND SUCHOR'S PATIENCE AND FEEL ARE PAYING OFF. AT AUCTION, A GELDING LIKE THIS ONE COULD SELL FOR THOUSANDS -- 333 00:39:48,686 --> 00:39:55,493 BUT IT'S NOT WITHOUT A LITTLE HEARTACHE. >> IS IT HARD TO SEE THEM GO? >> IT IS, BUT AT THE SAME TIME 334 00:39:55,559 --> 00:40:00,231 WE'RE NOT DOING THIS JUST FOR US, WE'RE DOING IT FOR THEM, TOO. IT'S A SECOND CHANCE FOR THEM AS 335 00:40:00,297 --> 00:40:04,969 WELL. >> HAVE YOU RIDDEN HIM WITHOUT A TIE-DOWN? >> YES, MA'AM. 336 00:40:05,035 --> 00:40:09,673 >> THIS SEPTEMBER, THE HONOR FARM HELD ITS SECOND AUCTION OF THE YEAR. HUNDREDS OF BUYERS CAME TO THE 337 00:40:09,740 --> 00:40:14,445 PRISON FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO INSPECT THESE HORSES AND QUERY THEIR TRAINERS -- A LITTLE LIKE KICKING THE TIRES ON A CAR 338 00:40:14,512 --> 00:40:23,387 LOT. THEN, EACH MUSTANG TAKES THE MAIN STAGE, TROTTING AND LOPING -- SOLD TO THE HIGHEST 339 00:40:23,454 --> 00:40:35,566 BIDDER. IN ALL, 34 HORSES FETCHED $65,000 FOR THE BUREAU OF LAND MANAGEMENT, AN ACHIEVEMENT 340 00:40:35,633 --> 00:40:45,609 ALMOST AS GOOD AS THE LOOK IN THE INMATES' FACES. BUT REMEMBER MICHAEL DAVIS, THE OLD COWBOY WHO COULDN'T BE 341 00:40:45,676 --> 00:40:49,747 BUCKED? WE NOTICED HE WASN'T AT THE AUCTION. THE WARDEN TOLD US HE WAS 342 00:40:49,814 --> 00:40:55,019 SUSPENDED FOR NOT GETTING ALONG WITH OTHERS. GENTLING A HORSE AND REHABILITATING THE MAN DON'T 343 00:40:55,085 --> 00:41:04,028 ALWAYS HAPPEN ON THE SAME CLOCK. BY HIGH NOON, EVERY MUSTANG HAD A NEW HOME AND FOR THIS WILD BUNCH, GENTLING HAS ITS VIRTUES. 344 00:41:04,094 --> 00:41:09,300 I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. IF YOU WERE A BETTING MAN, WOULD YOU BET A PSYCHOLOGIST IS 345 00:41:09,366 --> 00:41:15,105 QUICKER TO CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR OF MAN, A DOCTOR, A THERAPIST, OR A HORSE? >> I THINK A HORSE. 346 00:41:15,172 --> 00:41:20,878 100%. AND THAT'S JUST PURELY TRAVIS SHOOPMAN TALKING, BUT THE HORSES ARE A MAJOR ROLE IN WHAT BETTERS 347 00:41:20,945 --> 00:41:28,285 THOSE MEN. THEY CAN TEACH YOU LIFE LESSONS EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. TEACH YOU THAT YOU GOT SOMETHING 348 00:41:28,352 --> 00:41:33,123 IN YOU THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD. THEY CAN TEACH YOU THAT IT'S OKAY TO BE AFRAID, BUT IT CAN 349 00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:39,964 STILL BE DONE. NOTHING'S IMPOSSIBLE. THERE'S SO MANY LIFE LESSONS. 350 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:57,147 >>> "THE LAST MINUTE" OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITED HEALTH CARE. GET MEDICARE WITH MORE. 351 00:41:57,214 --> 00:42:06,690 >>> NOW AN UPDATE ON A STORY WE FIRST REPORTED IN MARCH, 2021, ON NASA'S PLANS TO GO "BACK TO THE MOON." 352 00:42:06,757 --> 00:42:16,867 AFTER MONTHS OF DELAYS THIS PAST WEDNESDAY, ARTEMIS 1, NASA'S NEW MOON ROCKET, CARRIED AN UNMANNED ORION CREW CAPSULE, ROSE INTO 353 00:42:16,934 --> 00:42:24,742 FLORIDA'S NIGHT SKY. ONE CHANGE FROM THE APOLLO DAYS OF THE 1970s, IS THAT ARTEMIS IS BEING LED LARGELY BY WOMEN. 354 00:42:24,808 --> 00:42:33,684 LAUNCH DIRECTOR CHARLIE BLACKWELL-THOMPSON TOLD US NASA PLANS ITS NEXT MOON LAUNCH -- ARTEMIS II IN 2024, THIS TIME 355 00:42:33,751 --> 00:42:43,160 WITH A CREW ON BOARD, FOLLOWED BY ARTEMIS III. >> WHERE, THEN, WE WILL GO TO THE SURFACE OF THE MOON. 356 00:42:43,227 --> 00:42:47,398 >> DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF, AND HOW COOL THAT SOUNDS? >> IT DOES SOUND PRETTY COOL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. 357 00:42:47,464 --> 00:42:50,034 WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."