1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:08,808 and FORD. We go further, so you can. ( TICKING ) 2 00:00:11,077 --> 00:00:19,018 >> Pelley: WE MET PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY IN THE BLACKED-OUT HALLWAYS OF HIS COMMAND CENTER IN UKRAINE'S CAPITOL, KYIV. 3 00:00:19,085 --> 00:00:23,289 MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT HAS IT BEEN LIKE WORKING UNDER THESE CONDITIONS? >> Zelenskyy: WE FOUND WAY HOW 4 00:00:23,356 --> 00:00:30,697 TO WORK. WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER WAY. >> Pelley: YOU FOUND A WAY HOW TO WORK, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY 5 00:00:30,764 --> 00:00:38,738 OTHER WAY? WEEKS OF WAR, ATTACKS ON CIVILIANS AND NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE EXPOSED A SAVAGE RUSSIAN 6 00:00:38,805 --> 00:00:46,279 STRATEGY, BUT STILL ZELENSKYY'S CAPITOL CITY HOLDS. >> Pelley: NO ONE EXPECTED UKRAINE TO FIGHT RUSSIA TO A 7 00:00:46,346 --> 00:00:53,286 STANDSTILL. AND I WONDER, HOW DID YOU MANAGE? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): 8 00:00:53,353 --> 00:00:59,058 WE UNITED AS A NATION. WE BECAME A SINGLE FIST. ( TICKING ) 9 00:01:01,494 --> 00:01:07,066 >> Alfonsi: ON THE COAST OF EL SALVADOR, ABOUT AN HOUR FROM THE CAPITAL IS A TOWN CALLED EL ZONTE. 10 00:01:07,133 --> 00:01:13,640 BLACK VOLCANIC SAND GIVES WAY TO WARM WATER AND AN EXCEPTIONAL POINT BREAK THAT DRAWS SURFERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD. 11 00:01:13,706 --> 00:01:20,947 AMONG THEM IS AN AMERICAN EX-PAT WITH A DEGREE IN ECONOMICS, WHO LOCALS BELIEVE CAN ANSWER ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING QUESTIONS 12 00:01:21,014 --> 00:01:27,287 OF OUR TIME. WHAT'S BITCOIN? ( TICKING ) >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. 13 00:01:27,353 --> 00:01:34,894 >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL. 14 00:01:34,961 --> 00:01:43,536 >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES, TONIGHT, ON "60 MINUTES." 15 00:01:46,206 --> 00:01:54,514 >> Pelley: ON FEBRUARY 24th, WITH THE RUSSIAN INVASION COMING AT HIM FROM THREE SIDES, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR 16 00:01:54,581 --> 00:02:03,189 ZELENSKYY REACHED FOR HIS MOST POWERFUL WEAPON-- HIS PHONE. THE MOMENT ZELENSKYY TOLD HIS PEOPLE HE REFUSED TO FLEE— 17 00:02:03,256 --> 00:02:10,263 UKRAINE REFUSED TO FALL. LEADERS DON'T BECOME LEGENDS OFTEN, BUT OVER THESE NEARLY SEVEN WEEKS, THIS 44-YEAR-OLD 18 00:02:10,330 --> 00:02:20,440 FORMER COMEDIAN INSPIRED HIS COUNTRY TO STAND UP TO THE OVERWHELMING FORCE OF RUSSIA. LAST WEDNESDAY, WE WERE ADMITTED 19 00:02:20,507 --> 00:02:31,217 TO ZELENSKYY'S FORTIFIED WAR ROOMS TO MEET THE MAN WHO STANDS BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN ARMY AND THE FREE WORLD. 20 00:02:31,284 --> 00:02:40,226 WE MET PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY IN THE BLACKED-OUT HALLWAYS OF HIS COMMAND CENTER IN UKRAINE'S CAPITAL, KYIV. 21 00:02:40,293 --> 00:02:46,232 IT IS A FORTRESS, CROWDED WITH TROOPS, MACHINE GUNS, MINES, EXPLOSIVES AND A GREAT DEAL MORE. 22 00:02:46,299 --> 00:02:55,508 ARE YOU SAFE HERE? "YEAH, I'M FINE," HE TOLD US, "I FEEL PRETTY CALM ABOUT IT. OUR GUARDS ARE WORRIED BECAUSE 23 00:02:55,575 --> 00:03:00,513 THERE COULD BE AN AIRSTRIKE. BUT WHEN WE GET THE AIR RAID EVACUATION SIGNAL, WE HEAD DOWNSTAIRS." 24 00:03:00,580 --> 00:03:08,521 >> Pelley: MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT HAS IT BEEN LIKE WORKING UNDER THESE CONDITIONS? >> Zelenskyy: WE, WE, FOUND A 25 00:03:08,588 --> 00:03:16,296 WAY HOW TO WORK. WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER WAY. >> Pelley: YOU FOUND A WAY HOW TO WORK, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY 26 00:03:16,362 --> 00:03:22,702 OTHER WAY? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): IT HAS TO BE DARK IN HERE, YOU CAN'T SWITCH THE LIGHTS ON 27 00:03:22,769 --> 00:03:32,178 BECAUSE A BOMB COULD JUST FLY IN, DURING AN AIRSTRIKE. >> Pelley: YOU HAVE-- YOU HAVE TROOPS SLEEPING? 28 00:03:32,245 --> 00:03:39,519 THE PRESIDENT AND HIS STAFF HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 46 DAYS NOW. THE RUSSIAN INVASION PLAN EXPECTED KYIV TO FALL IN THREE 29 00:03:39,586 --> 00:03:46,292 DAYS BUT THAT RELIED ON ONE ASSUMPTION: THAT ZELENSKYY WOULD RUN. 30 00:03:46,359 --> 00:03:53,466 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): WHEN EVERYONE IS TELLING YOU, YOU NEED TO GO, YOU NEED TO THINK. 31 00:03:53,533 --> 00:03:58,271 BEFORE I DO SOMETHING I ANALYZE THE SITUATION. I'VE ALWAYS DONE IT CALMLY, WITHOUT ANY CHAOS. 32 00:03:58,338 --> 00:04:05,778 I MIGHT NOT BE THE STRONGEST WARRIOR. BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO BETRAY ANYONE. 33 00:04:05,845 --> 00:04:14,253 >> Pelley: WHAT DID YOU TELL YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN ABOUT YOUR DECISION? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): 34 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:22,362 I TOLD THEM, THIS IS MY CHOICE AND I CAN'T DO IT ANY OTHER WAY I'M THE PRESIDENT OF MY COUNTRY I'M THE PRESIDENT OF OUR PEOPLE 35 00:04:22,428 --> 00:04:31,170 AND EVEN IF I WASN'T PRESIDENT, I WOULD HAVE STAYED HERE. MY FAMILY UNDERSTOOD. NOT ONLY UNDERSTOOD, BUT FULLY 36 00:04:31,237 --> 00:04:38,978 SUPPORTED MY DECISION. FULLY. >> Pelley: IT WAS THE DECISION THAT SAVED UKRAINE FROM 37 00:04:39,045 --> 00:04:46,152 IMMEDIATE COLLAPSE. >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. WE ARE ALL HERE, OUR SOLDIERS 38 00:04:46,219 --> 00:04:55,862 ARE HERE, THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTRY ARE HERE. WE ARE ALL HERE PROTECTING OUR INDEPENDENCE, OUR COUNTRY AND 39 00:04:55,928 --> 00:05:02,969 WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE. >> Pelley: YOU HAD MADE A DECISION TO GIVE YOUR LIFE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, IF IT CAME TO 40 00:05:03,036 --> 00:05:10,410 THAT. >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): I DON'T WANT TO MAKE MYSELF OUT TO BE A HERO. 41 00:05:10,476 --> 00:05:22,522 I LOVE MY FAMILY. I WANT TO LIVE MANY MORE YEARS. BUT CHOOSING BETWEEN RUNNING OR OF COURSE I'M READY TO GIVE MY 42 00:05:22,588 --> 00:05:31,230 LIFE FOR MY COUNTRY. >> Pelley: FOR A MAN WITH 44 MILLION LIVES IN HIS HANDS, WE FOUND ZELENSKYY BUOYANT, 43 00:05:31,297 --> 00:05:40,673 GRACIOUS, HUMBLE AND BRUTALLY HONEST. THE DAY BEFORE OUR VISIT, AN ANGRIER ZELENSKYY SCOLDED THE 44 00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:48,648 U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL-- "WHERE'S THE SECURITY?" HE ASKED. >> Pelley: IN SPEAKING TO NATO, 45 00:05:48,715 --> 00:05:58,424 YOU CALLED THEM WEAK. IN SPEAKING TO THE U.N. SECURITY COUNCIL, YOU SAID, IF YOU CAN'T HELP, YOU SHOULDN'T EXIST. 46 00:05:58,491 --> 00:06:08,267 NOT VERY DIPLOMATIC OF YOU. I WONDER WHY YOU FEEL THE NEED TO SPEAK SO BLUNTLY? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): 47 00:06:08,334 --> 00:06:15,742 WHEN YOU ARE WORKING AT DIPLOMACY, THERE ARE NO RESULTS ALL OF THIS IS VERY BUREAUCRATIC. 48 00:06:15,808 --> 00:06:22,482 THAT'S WHY THE WAY I'M TALKING TO THEM IS ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIABLE. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE LIVES 49 00:06:22,548 --> 00:06:32,158 TO GIVE, I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE EMOTIONS. I'M NO LONGER INTERESTED IN THEIR DIPLOMACY THAT LEADS TO 50 00:06:32,225 --> 00:06:38,431 THE DESTRUCTION OF MY COUNTRY. A LOT OF COUNTRIES HAVE CHANGED THEIR MIND ABOUT UKRAINE AND ABOUT OUR PEOPLE. 51 00:06:38,498 --> 00:06:44,804 BUT I THINK WE'VE PAID TOO HIGH PRICE FOR THAT. >> Pelley: WHAT MUST THE WORLD UNDERSTAND? 52 00:06:44,871 --> 00:06:52,578 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): WE ARE DEFENDING THE ABILITY OF A PERSON TO LIVE IN THE MODERN WORLD. 53 00:06:52,645 --> 00:07:00,753 WE ARE DEFENDING THE RIGHT TO LIVE. I NEVER THOUGHT THIS RIGHT WAS SO COSTLY. 54 00:07:00,820 --> 00:07:09,061 THESE ARE HUMAN VALUES. SO THAT RUSSIA DOESN'T CHOOSE WHAT WE SHOULD DO AND HOW I'M EXERCISING MY RIGHTS. 55 00:07:09,128 --> 00:07:20,339 THAT RIGHT WAS GIVEN TO ME BY GOD AND MY PARENTS. >> Pelley: GOD WAS HARD TO FIND ON OUR VISIT TO KYIV'S NORTHERN 56 00:07:20,406 --> 00:07:28,548 SUBURBS WHICH RUSSIA OCCUPIED FOR WEEKS. MUCH OF WHAT WE FOUND WILL BE DIFFICULT TO WATCH. 57 00:07:28,614 --> 00:07:36,756 BEHIND ST. ANDREW'S CHURCH THERE IS A SANDY TRENCH NOT QUITE FULL OF CIVILIAN RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN OF BUCHA. 58 00:07:36,823 --> 00:07:46,566 UKRAINE STOPPED THE RUSSIANS HERE, 45 MINUTES FROM THE CENTER OF THE CAPITAL CITY. THE RUSSIAN RETREAT WAS SO 59 00:07:46,632 --> 00:07:55,041 HASTY, IT SEEMS THERE WAS NO TIME TO COVER UP THE WAR CRIMES. PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY VISITED BUCHA TWO DAYS BEFORE OUR 60 00:07:55,107 --> 00:08:00,546 INTERVIEW. >> Pelley: WHAT DID YOU SEE IN BUCHA? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): 61 00:08:00,613 --> 00:08:09,188 DEATH. JUST DEATH. >> Pelley: LAST MONDAY WAS THE FIRST TIME ZELENSKYY SAW, WITH 62 00:08:09,255 --> 00:08:22,635 HIS OWN EYES, WHAT RUSSIA HAS DONE, IN WHAT VLADIMIR PUTIN CALLS THE LIBERATION OF UKRAINE. THE DAY AFTER OUR INTERVIEW, WE 63 00:08:22,702 --> 00:08:32,845 FOUND CIVILIAN NEIGHBORHOODS IN BUCHA-- BLOCKS AND BLOCKS-- SHELLED AND BLASTED WITH NO PURPOSE BUT TERROR. 64 00:08:32,912 --> 00:08:43,322 BODIES AND PARTS OF BODIES LAY IN THE STREETS, "LEFT OUT LIKE TRASH" ZELENSKYY TOLD US. NO ONE KNOWS HOW MANY VICTIMS 65 00:08:43,389 --> 00:08:51,731 ARE STILL IN THEIR HOMES-- YET TO BE FOUND. >> Pelley: THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH, MR. PRESIDENT, OF YOU IN BUCHA 66 00:08:51,797 --> 00:09:01,040 WITH AN EXPRESSION ON YOUR FACE THAT YOU HAVE NOT ALLOWED YOUR PEOPLE TO SEE DURING THIS WAR AND I WONDER WHAT WE'RE SEEING 67 00:09:01,107 --> 00:09:04,744 THERE. IS THAT HEARTBREAK? IS IT ANGER? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): 68 00:09:04,810 --> 00:09:16,722 IT'S ANGER. IT'S ANGER BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RUSSIANS. YOU CAN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS 69 00:09:16,789 --> 00:09:27,333 WORLD. THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET WHO GIVE THESE ORDERS AND PEOPLE WHO CARRY THEM OUT. 70 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:34,740 >> Pelley: IN BUCHA, NEIGHBORHOOD RELIEF FOR THE HUNGRY AND THE HOMELESS LOOKED LIKE WORLD WAR II IN COLOR. 71 00:09:34,807 --> 00:09:44,917 VALERIY MATVIENKO WAS SO ANGRY ABOUT THE SENSELESS RUSSIAN BULLET WOUND IN HIS LEG, WE CAN'T REPEAT WHAT HE TOLD US 72 00:09:44,984 --> 00:09:48,921 IN ENGLISH. >> Matvienko ( translated ): SOME OF THE RUSSIANS WERE NORMAL. 73 00:09:48,988 --> 00:09:56,896 SOME OF THEM WERE TOTALLY CRAZY. YOU COULD WALK, AND THEY WOULD SHOOT SOMETIMES UP IN THE AIR, SOMETIMES AT YOUR LEGS. 74 00:09:56,963 --> 00:10:01,100 SO, YOU'D HAVE TO JUMP IN FRONT OF THEM. CARS WERE RUN OVER BY RUSSIAN TANKS. 75 00:10:01,167 --> 00:10:15,614 VERY BRUTAL. NOT HUMAN. >> Pelley: CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU SAW? 76 00:10:15,681 --> 00:10:19,051 WE MET TETYANA DMITRIIVNA, WHO COMPRESSED THE OCCUPATION INTO A SINGLE WORD. >> Dmitriivna ( translated ): 77 00:10:19,118 --> 00:10:24,657 HORROR. HORROR. GUNFIRE WAS NON-STOP DAY AND NIGHT. 78 00:10:24,724 --> 00:10:31,330 THANKS TO GOD IT ALL PASSED AND WE SURVIVED. IT'S SIMPLY A MIRACLE. I HAD TWO GRANDCHILDREN WITH ME 79 00:10:31,397 --> 00:10:40,740 IN THE BASEMENT. I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD LIVE TO SEE THIS HORROR. >> Pelley: MR. ZELENSKYY TOLD US 80 00:10:40,806 --> 00:10:46,712 THAT HE COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT HUMAN BEINGS COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. >> Dmitriivna ( translated ): 81 00:10:46,779 --> 00:10:52,718 WE NEVER BELIEVED IT EITHER. WE ARE SIMPLY IN SHOCK, ALL OF US. >> Pelley: WHAT EVIDENCE IS 82 00:10:52,785 --> 00:11:00,960 THERE OF WAR CRIMES ACROSS UKRAINE? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): THE UKRAINIAN SECURITY SERVICE 83 00:11:01,027 --> 00:11:08,934 HAS INTERCEPTED COMMUNICATIONS. THERE ARE RUSSIAN SOLDIERS TALKING WITH THEIR PARENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY STOLE AND WHO THEY 84 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:16,776 ABDUCTED. THERE ARE RECORDINGS OF RUSSIAN PRISONERS OF WAR WHO ADMITTED TO KILLING PEOPLE. 85 00:11:16,842 --> 00:11:24,784 THERE ARE PILOTS IN PRISON WHO HAD MAPS WITH CIVILIAN TARGETS TO BOMB. THERE ARE ALSO INVESTIGATIONS 86 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:29,922 BEING DONE BASED ON THE REMAINS OF THE DEAD. >> Pelley: SHOULD VLADIMIR PUTIN BE PROSECUTED FOR WAR CRIMES? 87 00:11:29,989 --> 00:11:40,800 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): LOOK, I THINK EVERYONE WHO MADE A DECISION, WHO ISSUED AN ORDER, WHO FULFILLED AN ORDER, EVERYONE 88 00:11:40,866 --> 00:11:48,974 WHO IS RELEVANT TO THIS I BELIEVE THEY ARE ALL GUILTY. >> Pelley: DO YOU HOLD PUTIN RESPONSIBLE? 89 00:11:49,041 --> 00:11:56,982 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): I DO BELIEVE HE'S ONE OF THEM. THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE. >> Pelley: THE SLAUGHTER OF 90 00:11:57,049 --> 00:12:04,857 CIVILIANS COULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED, ZELENSKYY TOLD US. HE'S DEEPLY GRATEFUL FOR THE WEAPONS NATO AND THE U.S. 91 00:12:04,924 --> 00:12:13,032 ARE SENDING AROUND THE CLOCK, BUT HE'S BITTERLY DISAPPOINTED THE ALLIES REFUSE TO IMPOSE A NO-FLY ZONE OVER UKRAINE. 92 00:12:13,099 --> 00:12:22,842 PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS CALLED THAT AN INVITATION TO WORLD WAR III. BUT IN ZELENSKYY'S VIEW, IT'S THE KIND OF INACTION, THE WORLD 93 00:12:22,908 --> 00:12:34,854 HAS SUFFERED BEFORE. MR. PRESIDENT, IN A SPEECH TO NATO YOU SAID, "ALL THE PEOPLE WHO DIE WILL DIE BECAUSE OF YOU. 94 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:44,830 BECAUSE OF YOUR WEAKNESS." ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE WEST BEARS SOME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THESE ATROCITIES? 95 00:12:44,897 --> 00:12:52,872 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): HE TOLD US, I REMEMBER, ALL OF US REMEMBER, BOOKS ABOUT THE SECOND WORLD WAR AND ABOUT THE 96 00:12:52,938 --> 00:12:58,844 DEVIL IN UNIFORM: ADOLF HITLER. ARE THOSE COUNTRIES WHO DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE WAR RESPONSIBLE? 97 00:12:58,911 --> 00:13:06,919 THE COUNTRIES WHO LET GERMAN FORCES MARCH THROUGHOUT EUROPE? DOES THE WORLD CARRY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE GENOCIDE? 98 00:13:06,986 --> 00:13:16,929 YES. YES, IT DOES. WHEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO CLOSE THE SKY-- YES, IT'S SCARY, 99 00:13:16,996 --> 00:13:23,536 THAT A WORLD WAR COULD START. IT'S SCARY. I UNDERSTAND THAT, AND I CANNOT PUT PRESSURE ON THESE PEOPLE 100 00:13:23,602 --> 00:13:30,843 BECAUSE EVERYONE IS AFRAID OF WAR. BUT WHETHER THE WORLD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS, I BELIEVE 101 00:13:30,910 --> 00:13:39,118 SO, YES. I BELIEVE SO. STAND IN FRONT OF THE MIRROR EVERY DAY AND ASK YOURSELF, WERE 102 00:13:39,185 --> 00:13:45,824 YOU ABLE TO DO SOMETHING? OR WERE YOU UNABLE TO DO SOMETHING? YOU WILL FIND THE ANSWER IN THE 103 00:13:45,891 --> 00:13:56,535 MIRROR TO THIS QUESTION-- AND TO ANOTHER QUESTION- WHO ARE YOU? THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE. >> Pelley: PERHAPS, ZELENSKYY 104 00:13:56,602 --> 00:14:03,609 REACHES FOR WORLD WAR II BECAUSE OF HIS HOMELAND'S HISTORY OF CATASTROPHE, AND BECAUSE HE'S UKRAINE'S FIRST 105 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:09,815 JEWISH PRESIDENT. ZELENSKYY IS 44 YEARS OLD, HOLDS A LAW DEGREE, HE'S MARRIED WITH A SON AND A DAUGHTER. 106 00:14:09,882 --> 00:14:20,492 HIS FAMILY IS SAFE, SOMEWHERE IN UKRAINE. IN THIS WAR, ZELENSKYY IS THE LEADING MAN IN A TRAGEDY BUT 107 00:14:20,559 --> 00:14:29,001 HE'S WORKED HIS ENTIRE CAREER TO MAKE PEOPLE LAUGH. HE WAS UKRAINE'S FAVORITE COMEDIAN WHOSE SITCOM WAS 108 00:14:29,068 --> 00:14:29,668 POPULAR IN RUSSIA, TOO. 109 00:14:32,571 --> 00:14:40,980 IN HIS SHOW CALLED, "SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE," HE PLAYED A HIGH SCHOOL HISTORY TEACHER WHOSE ANGER AT CORRUPTION IN UKRAINE 110 00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:52,224 EXPLODES INTO A PROFANE RANT. A STUDENT POSTS THE TIRADE AND THE TEACHER IS ELECTED PRESIDENT. 111 00:14:52,291 --> 00:14:59,565 IN 2019, ZELENSKYY TURNED PARODY INTO POWER. HE RAN ON AN ANTI-CORRUPTION PLATFORM AND WON 73% OF THE 112 00:14:59,632 --> 00:15:09,241 VOTE. HE WAS 41 YEARS OLD. HE BROUGHT LONG-TIME FRIEND AND BUSINESS PARTNER, ANDRIY YERMAK, 113 00:15:09,308 --> 00:15:21,253 IN AS CHIEF-OF-STAFF. >> Yermak: HE'S SMART, HE'S STRONG, HE'S BRAVE, AND HE IS PERSON WHO IS SELF-MADE. 114 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:27,092 ZELENSKYY, IT'S NOT JUST THE LEADER OF OUR HEROIC NATION, I THINK HE IS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD 115 00:15:27,159 --> 00:15:33,799 >> Pelley: WHY DO YOU SAY PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY IS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD NOW? >> Yermak: BECAUSE UKRAINE 116 00:15:33,866 --> 00:15:41,740 DEFEND NOT JUST UKRAINE. WE DEFEND ALL DEMOCRACY. >> Pelley: ZELENSKYY HAS BEEN DEFENDING UKRAINE SINCE HIS 117 00:15:41,807 --> 00:15:51,817 INAUGURATION DAY. THAT GREEN T-SHIRT, WHICH CAUGHT THE EYE OF THE WORLD, WAS NO SURPRISE TO UKRAINIANS. 118 00:15:51,884 --> 00:15:58,824 HE KEEPS FATIGUES IN HIS OFFICE BECAUSE HE OFTEN VISITED THE BATTLEFRONT NEAR THE RUSSIAN BORDER, WHERE UKRAINE HAS BEEN 119 00:15:58,891 --> 00:16:07,433 IN A SHOOTING WAR WITH RUSSIA SINCE 2014. THAT WAS WHEN PUTIN INVADED PART OF UKRAINE CALLED, THE DONBAS, 120 00:16:07,499 --> 00:16:15,674 AND SEIZED UKRAINE'S CRIMEA PENINSULA. IN 2014, BEFORE ZELENSKYY WAS ELECTED, A RUSSIAN ANTI-AIRCRAFT 121 00:16:15,741 --> 00:16:29,154 BATTERY IN UKRAINE SHOT DOWN AN AIRLINER, KILLING 298 CIVILIANS. IN OUR INTERVIEW, ZELENSKYY TOLD US HE'S BEEN TRYING TO WARN THE 122 00:16:29,221 --> 00:16:37,296 WORLD THAT PUTIN WILL NOT STOP AT UKRAINE. >> Pelley: MR. PRESIDENT, IT APPEARS THAT THE FREE WORLD HAS 123 00:16:37,363 --> 00:16:45,104 CALCULATED THAT THE SUFFERING OF YOUR PEOPLE IS NOT WORTH EVEN THE RISK OF A NUCLEAR EXCHANGE. >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): 124 00:16:45,170 --> 00:16:53,178 I THINK SO. THAT'S HOW IT IS. SOME ARE USING THAT POLITICALLY, AS AN EXCUSE, BY SAYING, 125 00:16:53,245 --> 00:17:01,387 "WE CAN'T DEFEND UKRAINE BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A NUCLEAR WAR." I THINK THAT TODAY, NO ONE IN THIS WORLD CAN PREDICT WHAT 126 00:17:01,453 --> 00:17:09,361 RUSSIA WILL DO IF THEY INVADE FURTHER INTO OUR TERRITORY. THEY WILL DEFINITELY MOVE CLOSER AND CLOSER TO EUROPE, THEY WILL 127 00:17:09,428 --> 00:17:17,202 ONLY BECOME STRONGER AND LESS PREDICTABLE. >> Pelley: PRESIDENT BIDEN SAYS HE IS OUTRAGED BY BUCHA. 128 00:17:17,269 --> 00:17:25,911 NATO LEADERS SAY THEY ARE OUTRAGED BY BUCHA. SO, WHAT SHOULD THEY DO NOW? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): 129 00:17:25,978 --> 00:17:33,385 WEAPONS, NUMBER ONE. THEY NEED TO BE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT IT. THEY DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHAT 130 00:17:33,452 --> 00:17:41,226 I'M TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. THEY HAVE TO SUPPLY WEAPONS TO UKRAINE AS IF THEY WERE DEFENDING THEMSELVES AND THEIR 131 00:17:41,293 --> 00:17:49,368 OWN PEOPLE. THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS; IF THEY DON'T SPEED UP, IT WILL BE VERY HARD FOR US TO HOLD ON 132 00:17:49,435 --> 00:17:57,376 AGAINST THIS PRESSURE. THE SECOND FACTOR IS SANCTIONS. BECAUSE WE'VE FOUND SOME THINGS IN SANCTIONS THAT ARE EASY FOR 133 00:17:57,443 --> 00:18:04,683 FINANCIAL EXPERTS TO CIRCUMVENT. RUSSIA HAS BEEN CIRCUMVENTING THEM, AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. 134 00:18:04,750 --> 00:18:11,290 THE WESTERN WORLD KNOWS IT. THIS SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED. THIS IS NOT A MOVIE, THIS IS REAL LIFE. 135 00:18:11,356 --> 00:18:21,433 STOP FEARING THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION. WE'VE SHOWN, WE ARE NOT AFRAID. >> Pelley: WHEN WE COME BACK, IN 136 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:27,906 THE WAKE OF THE BUCHA ATROCITIES, PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY TELLS THE UNITED STATES WHAT HE MUST HAVE TO SURVIVE. 137 00:18:27,973 --> 00:18:29,341 ( TICKING ) 138 00:18:38,383 --> 00:18:47,759 >> Pelley: FRIDAY, A RUSSIAN MISSILE STRIKE HIT A CROWD OF REFUGEES STRIVING TO ESCAPE EASTERN UKRAINE BY TRAIN. 139 00:18:47,826 --> 00:18:56,268 AT LEAST 50 WERE KILLED, FIVE CHILDREN. UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY CALLS IT A WAR CRIME. 140 00:18:56,335 --> 00:19:02,374 TONIGHT, ZELENSKYY IS FIGHTING A POWERFUL RUSSIAN ASSAULT ON UKRAINE'S EAST AND SOUTH. RUSSIA HAS NOT SEIZED ITS 141 00:19:02,441 --> 00:19:10,349 STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES. SO, INSTEAD, IT'S SHELLING DEFIANT CITIES TO RUIN. THE ONE EXCEPTION, AT LEAST NOW, 142 00:19:10,415 --> 00:19:18,390 IS KYIV. IN A FEAT OF ARMS NO ONE EXPECTED, UKRAINE'S OUTGUNNED ARMY DEFEATED THE MASSIVE 143 00:19:18,457 --> 00:19:26,598 RUSSIAN FORCE THAT HAD BEEN ORDERED TO TAKE THE CAPITAL CITY. ( BELLS RINGING ) 144 00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:38,010 KYIV SURVIVES, FOR THE MOMENT, A CAPITAL OF MUMMIFIED MONUMENTS AND 19th CENTURY GRACE. BEFORE, IT WAS A BUMPER-TO- 145 00:19:38,076 --> 00:19:46,251 BUMPER CITY WITH THREE MILLION RESIDENTS. BUT NOW, THE STREETS ARE CONGESTED ONLY BY SHADOWS. 146 00:19:46,318 --> 00:19:54,393 AIR RAIDS ARE STILL A DANGER BUT, AFTER NEARLY SEVEN WEEKS, THE SIREN DOESN'T QUICKEN THE STEP LIKE IT USED TO. 147 00:19:54,459 --> 00:20:02,367 ( AIR RAID SIRENS ) HAVE YOU WON THE BATTLE OF KYIV? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): KYIV. 148 00:20:02,434 --> 00:20:14,379 I THINK, YES, BUT, THIS ISN'T THE FINAL VICTORY. I WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO TELL AFTER WE WIN THIS WAR. 149 00:20:14,446 --> 00:20:20,819 WHEN WE LIBERATE OUR COUNTRY, THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO TELL. BECAUSE BUCHA IS PART OF GREATER KYIV. 150 00:20:20,886 --> 00:20:32,731 BCHA, IRPIN, HOSTOMEL-- IF THE PEOPLE OF THOSE WERE WIPED OUT, THEN, DID WE WIN THIS BATTLE? I'M NOT SURE. 151 00:20:32,798 --> 00:20:44,009 WE'VE WITHSTOOD, AND WE DID NOT GIVE UP WHAT IS OURS. BUT WHETHER WE WON, I CAN'T SAY. >> Pelley: NO ONE EXPECTED 152 00:20:44,076 --> 00:20:50,382 UKRAINE TO FIGHT RUSSIA TO A STANDSTILL. AND I WONDER, HOW DID YOU MANAGE? 153 00:20:50,449 --> 00:20:58,256 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): WE UNITED AS A NATION. EVEN THOUGH OUR PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WOULD BE 154 00:20:58,323 --> 00:21:06,465 OUTNUMBERED TENFOLD, AND THERE WOULD BE NO WAY OUT. JUST NO WAY OUT. WE FOUGHT FOR OUR EXISTENCE AND 155 00:21:06,531 --> 00:21:14,439 FOR SURVIVAL. THAT'S THE COMBINED HEROISM OF EVERYONE- OF THE PEOPLE, OF THE AUTHORITIES, OF THE ARMED 156 00:21:14,506 --> 00:21:28,320 FORCES. WE BECAME A SINGLE FIST. >> Pelley: WE SAW THE UKRAINIAN PUNCH IN THE TOWN OF BUCHA WHERE 157 00:21:28,387 --> 00:21:34,726 THE REMAINS OF A RUSSIAN ARMORED COLUMN RUSTED, DEAD IN THE STREET. NEIGHBORS, HOLED UP FOR WEEKS, 158 00:21:34,793 --> 00:21:42,467 EMERGED TO REMEMBER WHAT VICTORY LOOKS LIKE. NO ONE SEEMED IN A HURRY TO DEAL WITH THE BITS OF RUSSIAN 159 00:21:42,534 --> 00:21:52,244 SOLDIERS IN THE WRECKAGE. THE FULL STORY OF HOW THE OUTMANNED UKRAINIAN ARMY STOPPED THE INVASION OF KYIV, WILL FILL 160 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:58,984 HISTORY BOOKS, BUT WE ALREADY KNOW PART OF IT. BECAUSE THE RUSSIANS BELIEVED THAT KYIV TO FALL IN A MATTER OF 161 00:21:59,051 --> 00:22:06,525 DAYS, THEY LITERALLY DID NOT BRING ENOUGH FOOD OR FUEL FOR THEIR ARMORED COLUMNS. ON THE OTHER SIDE, THE 162 00:22:06,591 --> 00:22:16,368 UKRAINIANS HAD BEEN TRAINED FOR YEARS BY THE CALIFORNIA NATIONAL GUARD AND OTHER U.S. UNITS. WHEN THE INVASION HAPPENED, THE 163 00:22:16,435 --> 00:22:25,544 UNITED STATES, BRITAIN AND OTHER COUNTRIES FLOODED UKRAINE WITH LIGHT-WEIGHT, SHOULDER-FIRED ANTI-TANK MISSILES. 164 00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:30,515 HOW MUCH DIFFERENCE HAVE AMERICAN ARMS MADE IN THIS WAR? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): THEY'RE HELPING. 165 00:22:30,582 --> 00:22:38,356 FRANKLY SPEAKING, I WOULD HAVE WANTED MORE. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THAT. 166 00:22:38,423 --> 00:22:46,398 BUT THE FACT THAT THE UNITED STATES HAS HELPED A LOT IS TRUE. >> Pelley: ZELENSKYY'S MAN IN CHARGE OF ARMING UKRAINE IS 167 00:22:46,465 --> 00:22:52,771 CHIEF-OF-STAFF, ANDRIY YERMAK. WHEN WE MET, HE'D JUST FINISHED A TWO-HOUR CALL WITH U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR, 168 00:22:52,838 --> 00:23:01,446 JAKE SULLIVAN AND THE CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS, GENERAL MARK MILLEY. YERMAK ASKED FOR HEAVIER 169 00:23:01,513 --> 00:23:06,585 WEAPONS-FASTER—FIRST THERE WAS ARTILLERY. >> Yermak: THE SECOND, WE NEED THE TANKS. 170 00:23:06,651 --> 00:23:14,493 WE NEED THE MILITARY JETS. AND WE NEED EVERYTHING WHICH GIVE TO US OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSED OUR SKY. 171 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:22,300 >> Pelley: WHEN YOU ASK THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION FOR ARTILLERY, TANKS, JET AIRPLANES. THE ADMINISTRATION SAYS WHAT? 172 00:23:22,367 --> 00:23:30,575 >> Yermak: WE HAD VERY DEEP AND VERY DETAILED CONVERSATION. THIS IS AMERICAN PRESIDENT WHO HAS DONE FOR UKRAINE MORE THAN 173 00:23:30,642 --> 00:23:40,452 ALL OTHER PRESIDENT. BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE WAR AND WE HAVE OPENLY SAID WE NEED MORE. IT'S NOT ENOUGH. 174 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:51,062 WE NEED IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IF WE RECEIVE THIS SUPPORT IN TIME, WE WILL WIN. >> Pelley: A WHITE HOUSE 175 00:23:51,129 --> 00:24:00,305 OFFICIAL TELLS US, YERMAK GOT A "YES" TO HIS REQUESTS. BUT FILLING ORDERS TAKES TIME. THE UKRAINIANS NEED RUSSIAN MADE 176 00:24:00,372 --> 00:24:08,747 WEAPONS THAT THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW TO USE. THE U.S. IS CAJOLING ALLIES TO SHIP THEIR RUSSIAN GEAR NOW ON 177 00:24:08,814 --> 00:24:19,858 THE PROMISE THAT THE U.S. WILL REPLACE IT LATER. AMERICA HAS THROWN IN NEARLY $2 BILLION IN MILITARY AID. 178 00:24:19,925 --> 00:24:25,263 FROM THE UKRAINIAN POINT OF VIEW, OF COURSE, NOTHING IS FAST ENOUGH. RUSSIAN BOMBARDMENT IS 179 00:24:25,330 --> 00:24:34,272 ESCALATING IN THE EAST AND SOUTH. CITIES ARE BEING SHELLED TO RUIN, INCLUDING MARIUPOL, WITH 180 00:24:34,339 --> 00:24:38,910 450,000 RESIDENTS. >> Pelley: WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING NOW IN THE EAST AND IN THE SOUTH? 181 00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:45,817 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): WE THINK THIS WILL BE A NEW WAVE OF THIS WAR. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH RUSSIAN 182 00:24:45,884 --> 00:24:50,655 WEAPONRY THERE WILL BE. BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WILL BE MANY TIMES MORE THAN THERE IS NOW. 183 00:24:50,722 --> 00:25:02,934 ALL DEPENDS ON HOW FAST WE WILL BE HELPED BY THE UNITED STATES. TO BE HONEST, WHETHER WE WILL BE ABLE TO SURVIVE DEPENDS ON THIS. 184 00:25:03,001 --> 00:25:11,109 I HAVE 100% CONFIDENCE IN OUR PEOPLE AND IN OUR ARMED FORCES. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE THE CONFIDENCE THAT WE WILL BE 185 00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:18,717 RECEIVING EVERYTHING WE NEED. >> Pelley: AND SO WHAT ARE YOU ASKING OF PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): 186 00:25:18,783 --> 00:25:26,725 TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, LONG AGO, I ASKED PRESIDENT BIDEN FOR VERY SPECIFIC ITEMS. HE HAS THE LIST. 187 00:25:26,791 --> 00:25:34,332 PRESIDENT BIDEN CAN ENTER HISTORY AS THE PERSON WHO STOOD SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WHO WON AND 188 00:25:34,399 --> 00:25:44,676 CHOSE THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR OWN COUNTRY. THIS ALSO DEPENDS ON HIM. >> Pelley: YOU ARE FRUSTRATED 189 00:25:44,743 --> 00:25:50,715 WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): NO. I'M NOT DISAPPOINTED. 190 00:25:50,782 --> 00:25:58,590 I DON'T KNOW HOW ANOTHER PRESIDENT IN HIS PLACE WOULD HELP US, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S DIFFICULT. 191 00:25:58,657 --> 00:26:04,663 WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. I THINK SO, AT LEAST. UKRAINE DEPENDS ON THE SUPPORT OF THE UNITED STATES. 192 00:26:04,729 --> 00:26:14,739 AND I, AS THE LEADER OF A COUNTRY AT WAR-- I CAN ONLY BE GRATEFUL. >> Pelley: AS FOR THE OTHER 193 00:26:14,806 --> 00:26:19,911 PRESIDENT AT WAR, WE ASKED ZELENSKYY IF HE WOULD MEET, NOW, FACE TO FACE WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN. 194 00:26:19,978 --> 00:26:26,785 HE TOLD US IT WAS WORTH THE CHANCE. THEY WOULDN'T RESOLVE EVERYTHING ZELENSKYY SAID BUT THEY MIGHT 195 00:26:26,851 --> 00:26:34,659 STOP THE KILLING. >> Pelley: ARE YOU WILLING TO GIVE UP ANY PART OF UKRAINE FOR PEACE? 196 00:26:34,726 --> 00:26:39,331 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): OVERALL WE ARE NOT READY TO GIVE AWAY OUR COUNTRY. I THINK WE HAVE ALREADY GIVEN UP 197 00:26:39,397 --> 00:26:46,671 A LOT OF LIVES. SO, WE NEED TO STAND FIRM FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN. BUT THIS IS LIFE. 198 00:26:46,738 --> 00:26:53,178 DIFFERENT THINGS HAPPEN. >> Pelley: IT'S NEGOTIABLE? >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): WELL, THIS ISSUE WOULD 199 00:26:53,244 --> 00:27:00,885 DEFINITELY BE RAISED IN THE COURSE OF NEGOTIATIONS. WE UNDERSTAND THE RUSSIAN SIDE. WE UNDERSTAND ONE OF THEIR 200 00:27:00,952 --> 00:27:06,858 PROVISIONS THAT IS ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT IS TO RECOGNIZE CRIMEA AS RUSSIAN TERRITORY. I WILL DEFINITELY NOT RECOGNIZE 201 00:27:06,925 --> 00:27:14,566 THAT. AND THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO TAKE THE SOUTHERN PARTS OF OUR COUNTRY. 202 00:27:14,632 --> 00:27:25,844 I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND THAT QUESTIONS LIKE THIS WILL BE RAISED IN NEGOTIATIONS, IF THERE EVER ARE ANY. 203 00:27:25,910 --> 00:27:29,214 BUT WE WERE NOT READY TO GIVE UP OUR TERRITORY FROM THE BEGINNING. HAD WE BEEN WILLING TO GIVE UP 204 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,918 OUR TERRITORY, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO WAR. >> Pelley: MR. PRESIDENT, IN ALMOST EVERY SPEECH TO YOUR 205 00:27:33,985 --> 00:27:38,156 COUNTRY YOU SAY THAT UKRAINE IS GOING TO WIN. WHAT DOES WINNING LOOK LIKE TO YOU? 206 00:27:38,223 --> 00:27:46,765 >> Zelenskyy ( translated ): VICTORY. FIRST OF ALL, OUR PEOPLE WOULD DEFINITELY FEEL VICTORY. 207 00:27:46,831 --> 00:27:58,443 THEY WILL COME BACK. THE RETURN OF REFUGEES IS BLOOD FOR THE BODY OF UKRAINE, WITHOUT THEM THERE IS NOTHING. 208 00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:03,114 THE BOMBARDMENTS WOULD END. WE WOULD RECOVER OUR TERRITORY. THERE WOULD BE NO RUSSIAN SOLDIERS IN OUR COUNTRY. 209 00:28:03,181 --> 00:28:10,722 YES, I UNDERSTAND THEY WILL NOT WITHDRAW FROM CRIMEA, AND WE'LL BE ARGUING AND NEGOTIATING FOR ONE TERRITORY OR ANOTHER IN THE 210 00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:18,930 SOUTH OF OUR COUNTRY, THE DONBAS. I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, AFTER WHICH WE CAN SAY, 211 00:28:18,997 --> 00:28:26,504 "THIS IS VICTORY." BUT, IF YOU DON'T MIND-- I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT JUST YET. >> Pelley: MR. PRESIDENT, WE 212 00:28:26,571 --> 00:28:34,813 WISH YOU ALL THE LUCK IN THE WORLD. >> Zelenskyy: I NEED HALF OF IT. I THINK EVEN HALF WILL BE 213 00:28:34,879 --> 00:28:46,458 ENOUGH. >> Pelley: VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY HAS BORROWED MORE LUCK THAN ANYONE EXPECTED. 214 00:28:46,524 --> 00:28:54,933 WITH THE REPRIEVE OF KYIV, UKRAINE HAS TURNED MERE ADMIRATION INTO CREDIBILITY. ITS PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING 215 00:28:54,999 --> 00:29:10,882 GRIEVOUS LOSS EVERY HOUR, BUT THEY HAVE PROVEN-- THERE WAS A MOMENT IN KYIV-- WHEN THEY SILENCED THE GUNS OF RUSSIA. 216 00:29:10,949 --> 00:29:21,459 ( TICKING ) >> LEADING FROM THE FRONT. MORE FROM PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, AT: 217 00:29:24,629 --> 00:29:32,637 ( TICKING ) >> Alfonsi: IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT ABOUT BITCOIN LATELY, THOSE AREN'T 218 00:29:32,704 --> 00:29:39,410 VOICES IN YOUR HEAD. LAST MONTH, IN AN ATTEMPT TO SKIRT HARSH FINANCIAL SANCTIONS, A TOP RUSSIAN LAWMAKER SAID 219 00:29:39,477 --> 00:29:44,782 RUSSIA MAY START ACCEPTING BITCOIN FOR OIL AND GAS. IF YOU WATCHED THE SUPER BOWL THIS YEAR, YOU PROBABLY SAW THE 220 00:29:44,849 --> 00:29:52,624 ADS FOR CRYPTO-COMPANIES. AND NOW, PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS TURNED HIS ATTENTION TO DIGITAL ASSETS, SIGNING AN EXECUTIVE 221 00:29:52,690 --> 00:30:00,598 ORDER TO EXAMINE THE RISKS AND BENEFITS OF CRYPTOCURRENCIES. SO, WE THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO TRY AND GET OUR HEADS AROUND THE 222 00:30:00,665 --> 00:30:06,571 COMPLICATED WORLD OF CRYPTO-CURRENCIES, SPECIFICALLY THE LARGEST ONE, BITCOIN. TO DO THAT, WE WENT TO ONE OF 223 00:30:06,638 --> 00:30:16,648 THE SIMPLEST PLACES IN THE WORLD, A REMOTE TOWN KNOWN AS“ BITCOIN BEACH.” ON THE COAST OF EL SALVADOR, 224 00:30:16,714 --> 00:30:25,924 ABOUT AN HOUR FROM THE CAPITAL IS A TOWN CALLED EL ZONTE. BLACK VOLCANIC SAND GIVES WAY TO WARM WATER AND AN EXCEPTIONAL 225 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:34,132 POINT BREAK THAT DRAWS SURFERS FROM AROUND THE WORLD. BUT WANDER DOWN EL ZONTE'S WINDING DIRT ROADS, AND IT'S 226 00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:40,171 EASY TO SPOT A DIFFERENT KIND OF TOURIST. DO YOU SURF? >> Andreas Kohl: I DON'T YET, 227 00:30:40,238 --> 00:30:47,445 BUT I MIGHT TAKE IT UP HERE. >> Alfonsi: WE MET ANDREAS KOHL, VISITING FROM LIECHTENSTEIN. HE CAME TO EL ZONTE BECAUSE 228 00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:54,519 IT'S ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES IN THE WORLD YOU CAN USE BITCOIN TO PAY FOR JUST ABOUT ANYTHING-- TAMALES, HOTELS, OR SOUVENIRS. 229 00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:58,690 >> Kohl: BITCOIN CITY'S HAPPENING HERE, AND IT MIGHT BE THE NEXT SINGAPORE. I WANT TO SEE IT HAPPEN. 230 00:30:58,756 --> 00:31:04,696 >> Alfonsi: SINGAPORE? IT'S HARD TO IMAGINE. THE ONLY TRAFFIC JAMS IN EL ZONTE ARE CAUSED BY LOOSE 231 00:31:04,762 --> 00:31:15,506 LIVESTOCK. TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS REMOTE TOWN OF 3,000 BECAME PART OF A GRAND BITCOIN EXPERIMENT AND HOW 232 00:31:15,573 --> 00:31:23,748 IT ALL WORKS, WE WERE TOLD TO HEAD TO THIS BREAK AND LOOK FOR A MIDDLE-AGED BLONDE GUY LOCALS CALL “THE MAN.” 233 00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:30,655 THAT'S HIM-- MIKE PETERSON, AN EX-PAT FROM SAN DIEGO WITH A DEGREE IN ECONOMICS AND A NOSE FOR DECENT WAVES. 234 00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:39,397 >> Peterson: I WOUND UP HERE ON A SURF TRIP I THINK, LIKE, 18 YEARS AGO. FELL IN LOVE WITH THE WARM 235 00:31:39,464 --> 00:31:44,702 WATER, THE NICE WAVES, BUT MOST ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE HERE. >> Alfonsi: PETERSON, WHO ONCE WORKED AS A FINANCIAL PLANNER, 236 00:31:44,769 --> 00:31:52,710 MOVED TO EL ZONTE A FEW YEARS LATER AND STARTED HELPING THOSE PEOPLE. IN 2015, HE STARTED MISSIONSAKE, 237 00:31:52,777 --> 00:31:59,317 A CHARITY THAT SUPPORTS MISSIONARIES AND FUNDED SCHOLARSHIPS AND CREATED LOCAL JOBS. 238 00:31:59,384 --> 00:32:04,555 AT THAT TIME, MOST YOUNG PEOPLE HERE LEFT TOWN OR THE COUNTRY TO FIND WORK. >> Peterson: THAT'S KIND OF THE 239 00:32:04,622 --> 00:32:08,760 CYCLE THAT WE'VE SEEN OF DESTRUCTION, OF PEOPLE HAVING TO LEAVE BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY. 240 00:32:08,826 --> 00:32:12,997 THEN, THEIR KIDS ARE GROWING UP WITHOUT THEIR PARENTS HERE, SO THEY'RE VERY VULNERABLE TO THE GANGS. 241 00:32:13,064 --> 00:32:18,703 THEY JOIN THE GANGS, THE GANGS GROW, AND YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF DESTRUCTIVE CYCLE. >> Roman Martinez: THIS IS HOW 242 00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:24,809 WE GREW UP HERE. LIKE, THE OPPORTUNITIES WERE ALMOST NOTHING. >> Alfonsi: YOU HAD TO LEAVE IF 243 00:32:24,876 --> 00:32:30,715 YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING? >> Martinez: THAT WAS, LIKE, THE PARADIGM. >> Alfonsi: ROMAN MARTINEZ GREW 244 00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:36,721 UP IN EL ZONTE AND STARTED WORKING WITH PETERSON'S CHARITY TO HELP KIDS LIKE ISMAEL GALDAMEZ. 245 00:32:36,788 --> 00:32:42,293 HE QUIT SCHOOL AT 13. >> Galdamez: ALL I WANTED TO DO IS TO WORK HARD AND TO LIVE. THAT'S IT. 246 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,897 NOT ABOUT MY FUTURE. >> Alfonsi: IT WAS JUST SURVIVING THE DAY, GETTING THROUGH THE DAY. 247 00:32:45,963 --> 00:32:51,636 >> Galdamez: EXACTLY, AS MY PARENTS DID. IT'S SAD, BUT IT'S THE REALITY. >> Alfonsi: BUT THEN, IN 248 00:32:51,703 --> 00:33:00,311 2019, EL ZONTE GOT AN UNEXPECTED BREAK. PETERSON SAYS HE WAS INTRODUCED TO SOMEONE REPRESENTING AN 249 00:33:00,378 --> 00:33:04,949 ANONYMOUS DONOR WITH A FORTUNE IN BITCOIN WHO WANTED TO SEE IT PUT TO GOOD USE, WITH ONE STIPULATION. 250 00:33:05,016 --> 00:33:11,055 >> Peterson: THE STIPULATION WAS, YOU CAN'T JUST CONVERT IT INTO DOLLARS BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THE ACTUAL USAGE OF 251 00:33:11,122 --> 00:33:16,561 BITCOIN WOULD BE WHAT WOULD BENEFIT THE PEOPLE. AND SO, FOR ME, IT WAS, LIKE, "WOW, THIS IS SOMEBODY THAT 252 00:33:16,627 --> 00:33:24,235 WANTS TO ACTUALLY SEE A CIRCULAR ECONOMY GENERATED USING BITCOIN, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO ACTUALLY PUT THE FUNDS BEHIN IT." 253 00:33:24,302 --> 00:33:30,775 >> Alfonsi: PETERSON AND A TEAM OF COMMUNITY LEADERS GOT TO WORK CREATING THE “BITCOIN BEACH INITIATIVE.” 254 00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:38,750 THEY USED THE ANONYMOUS DONATION TO CREATE DOZENS OF MUCH NEEDED JOBS IN EL ZONTE, BUT THEY'D HAVE TO PAY EVERYONE IN BITCOIN. 255 00:33:38,816 --> 00:33:44,355 BE HONEST, WHAT DID THEY SAY WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP, "LET'S USE BITCOIN"? >> Peterson: FIRST, THEY JUST 256 00:33:44,422 --> 00:33:49,327 KIND OF LOOKED AT YOU WITH THIS BLANK STARE, LIKE, "WELL, SHOW ME THESE BITCOINS, AND-- AND HOW DO-- HOW DO YOU HOLD THEM? 257 00:33:49,394 --> 00:33:56,834 AND WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE?" >> Alfonsi: ALL FAIR QUESTIONS WITHOUT AN EASY ANSWER, BUT MIKE PETERSON OFFERED HIS NEIGHBORS 258 00:33:56,901 --> 00:34:04,909 AND US HIS BEST EXPLANATION TO WHAT MIGHT BE THE MOST CHALLENGING QUESTION OF ALL. WHAT'S BITCOIN? 259 00:34:04,976 --> 00:34:12,850 >> Peterson: SO, BITCOIN IS THE-- THE WORLD'S FIRST DECENTRALIZED MONEY THAT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY ANY GOVERNMENT. 260 00:34:12,917 --> 00:34:17,088 THERE'S NO GATEKEEPERS IN IT. IT'S-- YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LIVES ON THE INTERNET. IT CAN BE TRANSFERRED IN 261 00:34:17,155 --> 00:34:24,362 ELECTRONIC FORM. THAT ACTUALLY LETS PEOPLE OWN IT THEMSELVES, TRULY OWN IT. >> Alfonsi: IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S 262 00:34:24,429 --> 00:34:30,835 PEER-TO-PEER DIGITAL MONEY. THERE ISN'T A BANK OR THIRD PARTY IN THE MIDDLE. BANKS HAVE NEVER REALLY BEEN 263 00:34:30,902 --> 00:34:37,508 PART OF THE EQUATION FOR MOST SALVADORANS; ABOUT 70% OF THE COUNTRY IS UNBANKED. THAT MEANS THEY HAVE LIMITED 264 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:44,882 ACCESS TO LOANS, MORTGAGES, OR CREDIT CARDS. CASH HAS ALWAYS BEEN KING, WHICH MADE CONVINCING PEOPLE IN 265 00:34:44,949 --> 00:34:52,890 EL ZONTE TO WORK FOR BITCOIN-- A CURRENCY THEY COULDN'T HOLD OR SEE-- ESPECIALLY DIFFICULT. SO, MIKE PETERSON AND HIS 266 00:34:52,957 --> 00:34:59,564 PARTNERS TURNED THEIR ATTENTION TO A GROUP MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH ALL THINGS DIGITAL: TEENAGERS. 267 00:34:59,630 --> 00:35:04,969 ISMAEL GALDAMEZ WAS ONE OF THE FIRST HIRES. >> Peterson: SO, WE WERE HIRING THEM TO DO THINGS IN THE 268 00:35:05,036 --> 00:35:11,742 COMMUNITY, PICK UP TRASH OUT OF THE RIVER, AND THEN WE'D PAY THEM IN BITCOIN. AND SO, THEY GOT INTO THIS 269 00:35:11,809 --> 00:35:16,981 RHYTHM OF GOING OUT AND WORKING AND EARNING BITCOIN. >> Alfonsi: AND SO, YOU'RE GIVING THEM THE BITCOIN, BUT DID 270 00:35:17,048 --> 00:35:21,652 THEY HAVE ANYWHERE TO SPEND THE BITCOIN? >> Peterson: THAT'S ALWAYS THE CHALLENGE WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO 271 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:28,960 BRING A NEW SYSTEM INTO PLACE, YOU KNOW, THE CHICKEN AND THE EGG PROBLEM. >> Alfonsi: ENTER MOMMA ROSA. 272 00:35:29,026 --> 00:35:36,501 UNDER A TIN ROOF AND OVER AN OPEN FLAME, SHE RUNS A POPULAR PUPUSA SPOT IN TOWN. HER SON, JORGE, WORKS WITH MIKE 273 00:35:36,567 --> 00:35:40,972 PETERSON AND CONVINCED “MOMMA” TO BE THE FIRST IN EL ZONTE TO ACCEPT BITCOIN. DID SHE SAY, "WHERE'S THE 274 00:35:41,038 --> 00:35:47,979 MONEY?" >> Jorge Valenzuela: YEAH, SHE SAY, LIKE, "OKAY, IF YOU PAY ME, BUT HOW CAN I SEE IT? 275 00:35:48,045 --> 00:35:52,984 WHEN I TOUCH THE MONEY?" >> Alfonsi: YEAH. AND SHE JUST HAD TO TRUST YOU? >> Valenzuela: YEAH. 276 00:35:53,050 --> 00:36:00,925 SO, SHE SAY, "YOU CAN COME AND TEACH ME." >> Alfonsi: HRE'S HOW IT WORKS. CUSTOMERS SCAN HER “QR” CODE; 277 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:06,998 THEN, USING A POPULAR PHONE APP CALLED “BITCOIN BEACH,” INSTANTLY TRANSFER BITCOIN FROM THEIR WALLETS TO HERS, WHICH SHE 278 00:36:07,064 --> 00:36:14,605 KEEPS IN HER APRON. MOMMA ROSA USED HER BITCOIN SAVINGS TO BUY A TRUCK AND TWO COWS. 279 00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:19,277 THE GRANDMOTHER OF 18 IS NOW BULLISH ON BITCOIN. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT BEING A PIONEER OF TECHNOLOGY? 280 00:36:19,343 --> 00:36:27,184 >> Mamma Rosa: ( LAUGHS ) >> Alfonsi: YOU LIKE IT. HOLA! BUT NOT EVERYONE IN TOWN HAS 281 00:36:27,251 --> 00:36:31,956 BOUGHT IN. ACEPTAS BITCOIN? >> NO. >> Alfonsi: NO. 282 00:36:32,023 --> 00:36:37,428 CAN I ASK YOU, DO YOU ACCEPT BITCOIN? >> NO. >> Alfonsi: BECAUSE BITCOIN IS 283 00:36:37,495 --> 00:36:44,068 COMPLICATED, IT'S NOT BACKED BY A GOVERNMENT AUTHORITY. THERE'S ALSO CONCERN ABOUT THE COMPUTER POWER OR ENERGY NEEDED 284 00:36:44,135 --> 00:36:51,275 TO SUPPORT BITCOIN'S UNDERLYING NETWORK. MOST PEOPLE DON'T BUY A WHOLE BITCOIN BUT A FRACTION OF ONE. 285 00:36:51,342 --> 00:36:57,148 IT'S LARGELY UNREGULATED AND EXTREMELY VOLATILE. THERE IS ONLY A LIMITED SUPPLY, SO ITS VALUE SWELLS AND DIPS 286 00:36:57,214 --> 00:37:05,122 BASED ON DEMAND. BITCOIN WAS INTRODUCED IN 2009. A YEAR LATER, A SINGLE BITCOIN WAS VALUED AT PENNIES. 287 00:37:05,189 --> 00:37:13,464 ITS VALUE INCHED UP AND DOWN, PEAKING LAST NOVEMBER AT ALMOST $70,000 A BITCOIN, ONLY TO LOSE AROUND 30% OF ITS VALUE IN THE 288 00:37:13,531 --> 00:37:22,473 LAST FEW MONTHS. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN IT DROPS 20%? AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL TO A PERSON OR A SHOP OWNER HERE. 289 00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:27,044 ARE THEY KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR GOING, "HEY, WHAT'S UP”? >> Peterson: NOT KNOCKING ON THE DOOR, BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL 290 00:37:27,111 --> 00:37:31,449 CALL JORGE AND, LIKE, "HEY, WHAT-- WHAT'S GOING ON?" AND SO, THEN, WE'LL KIND OF CONNECT THEM WITH PEOPLE WHO'VE 291 00:37:31,515 --> 00:37:37,655 BEEN IN THIS FROM THE BEGINNING. THEY'VE SEEN, LIKE, "YES, THERE'S UPS AND DOWN VOLATILITIES ALONG THE WAY, BUT 292 00:37:37,722 --> 00:37:42,893 OVER THE LONG-TERM PERSPECTIVE, IT'S GOING UP IN VALUE AGAINST THE DOLLAR." >> Alfonsi: YOU'RE NOT DOUBLING 293 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,833 DOWN ON THIS BECAUSE YOU, PERSONALLY, CAN GET RICH? >> Peterson: I WILL BENEFIT IF THE PRICE OF BITCOIN GOES UP, 294 00:37:48,899 --> 00:37:53,204 BUT I CAN'T IMPACT THAT. I CAN'T INFLUENCE THAT. THAT'S NOT THE DRIVING REASON BEHIND THIS. 295 00:37:53,270 --> 00:38:00,378 THE REASON IS, WE WANT TO SEE EL ZONTE TRANSFORMED. >> Alfonsi: THIS IS ALL YOU? YEAH? 296 00:38:00,444 --> 00:38:04,715 ABOUT 45 BUSINESSES ARE NOW RIDING THE BITCOIN WAVE IN EL ZONTE. YOU CAN PAY YOUR DENTIST, 297 00:38:04,782 --> 00:38:11,255 THE ELECTRIC BILL, OR FOR A CUP OF COFFEE WITH BITCOIN. SO, I PUT IN $2 AND SEND? >> Roman Martinez: SEND, YES. 298 00:38:11,322 --> 00:38:15,993 >> Alfonsi: MIKE PETERSON AND HIS PARTNERS USED BITCOIN TO HELP PAY FOR THIS CONTINUING EDUCATION CENTER. 299 00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:19,997 THERE ARE COMPUTER AND ENGLISH CLASSES. >> Teacher: "I'LL CALL BACK LATER." 300 00:38:20,064 --> 00:38:25,136 >> Class: "I'LL CALL BACK LATER." >> Alfonsi: TEACHERS ARE PAID IN BITCOIN. 301 00:38:25,202 --> 00:38:33,177 ALL OF IT'S ATTRACTED GOOD PRESS, BITCOIN TOURISTS, AND A FEW HOODIE-WEARING TECH ENTREPRENEURS. 302 00:38:33,244 --> 00:38:37,982 >> Jack Mallers: YEAH, SO, WE HAD GONE TO EL SALVADOR JUST TO PROVE THAT OUR PRODUCT WORKED AND PROVE THAT WE COULD BE 303 00:38:38,049 --> 00:38:45,156 BETTER AT WESTERN UNION THAN WESTERN UNION. >> Alfonsi: JACK MALLERS IS A 28-YEAR-OLD C.E.O. FROM CHICAGO 304 00:38:45,222 --> 00:38:53,164 WHO DEVELOPED AN APP CALLED“ STRIKE,” DESIGNED TO DISRUPT ONE OF THE BIGGEST BUSINESSES IN EL SALVADOR: REMITTANCES, MONEY 305 00:38:53,230 --> 00:39:01,138 SENT FROM OVERSEAS. LAST YEAR, SALVADORANS RECEIVED MORE THAN $7 BILLION THROUGH SERVICES LIKE WESTERN UNION, 306 00:39:01,205 --> 00:39:07,211 WHICH CAN CHARGE UPWARDS OF 10% FOR A TRANSFER THAT CAN TAKE DAYS. USING BITCOIN'S DIGITAL 307 00:39:07,278 --> 00:39:13,217 INFRASTRUCTURE, KNOWN AS“ RAILS,” THE STRIKE APP ALLOWS USERS TO SEND U.S. DOLLARS ACROSS BORDERS INSTANTLY, FOR 308 00:39:13,284 --> 00:39:19,223 PENNIES. >> Mallers: WE LAUNCH IT, IT GETS ONE DOWNLOAD A DAY, THEN IT GETS A HUNDRED DOWNLOADS A DAY, 309 00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:25,229 THEN IT GETS A THOUSAND DOWNLOADS A DAY, THEN IT GETS 20,000 DOWNLOADS A DAY. >> Alfonsi: THEN, MALLERS GOT AN 310 00:39:25,296 --> 00:39:29,934 UNEXPECTED MESSAGE ON HIS PHONE. YOU GET A DIRECT MESSAGE ON TWITTER FROM WHO? >> Mallers: THE BROTHER OF THE 311 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:35,673 PRESIDENT. >> Alfonsi: AND HE WANTS TO MEET WITH YOU. >> Mallers: HE WANTS TO MEET 312 00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:43,214 WITH ME, AND HE GAVE ME 24 HOURS. EL SALVADOR'S POPULIST PRESIDENT, NAYIB BUKELE, ONCE 313 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:50,821 REFERRED TO HIMSELF AS“ THE WORLD'S COOLEST DICTATOR.” HE'S BEEN ACCUSED OF ILLEGALLY GRABBING POWER AND ORDERING 314 00:39:50,888 --> 00:39:55,559 SOLDIERS TO OCCUPY THE NATION'S LEGISLATIVE ASSEMBLY TO PUSH THROUGH HIS AGENDA. >> Mallers: IT WAS SCARY. 315 00:39:55,626 --> 00:40:05,169 IT WAS REALLY SCARY. I THOUGHT THERE WERE LIKELY TWO OUTCOMES-- IS THAT THEY WERE NOT HAPPY WITH ME INTERFERING WITH 316 00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:09,940 THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM IN EL SALVADOR, OR THEY WERE TREMENDOUSLY HAPPY AND BOUGHT INTO THE VISION THAT THIS WAS 317 00:40:10,007 --> 00:40:16,447 REPRESENTATIVE OF A BETTER WORLD FOR NOT ONLY EL SALVADOR BUT THE PLANET. HIS UTOPIAN BLUEPRINT FOR 318 00:40:16,514 --> 00:40:22,953 BITCOIN LED TO “MONTHS OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THE GOVERNMENT” THAT LED TO THIS. LAST SUMMER, AT A BITCOIN 319 00:40:23,020 --> 00:40:31,228 CONFERENCE IN MIAMI, BUKELE ANNOUNCED IN A VIDEO MESSAGE THAT EL SALVADOR WOULD BECOME THE FIRST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD 320 00:40:31,295 --> 00:40:35,599 TO ADOPT BITCOIN AS AN OFFICIAL CURRENCY ALONGSIDE THE U.S. DOLLAR. ( CROWDS CHEERING ) 321 00:40:35,666 --> 00:40:39,303 IT WASN'T DISCUSSED AMONG LAWMAKERS OR... >> Luis Membreño: NEVER. >> Alfonsi: NO DEBATE? 322 00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:45,576 >> Membreño: WE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING BEFORE THAT DAY. >> Alfonsi: LUIS MEMBREÑO IS AN ECONOMIST BASED IN SAN SALVADOR 323 00:40:45,643 --> 00:40:53,250 AND AN OUTSPOKEN CRITIC OF PRESIDENT BUKELE'S POLICIES. >> Membreño: THE GOVERNMENT WANTS PEOPLE TO THINK THAT THIS 324 00:40:53,317 --> 00:41:01,225 CAN BE A CURRENCY, BUT THIS IS JUST AN ASSET AND A SPECULATIVE ASSET WITH A HUGE VOLATILITY. IMAGINE THE U.S. DOLLAR HAVING A 325 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:07,298 VOLATILITY OF 20% IN ONE DAY; WOULD BE CRAZY. >> Alfonsi: EL SALVADOR IS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN DEBT AND 326 00:41:07,364 --> 00:41:15,906 HAS LONG RELIED ON LOANS FROM THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND TO PROP UP ITS ECONOMY. IN JANUARY, THE I.M.F. EXPRESSED 327 00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:21,312 CONCERN ABOUT THE RISK OF BITCOIN'S VOLATILITY AND HAS DELAYED FURTHER RELIEF TO EL SALVADOR. 328 00:41:21,378 --> 00:41:29,320 BUT BUKELE IS DOUBLING DOWN; HE'S SPENT AN ESTIMATED $400 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO PUSH BITCOIN INTO 329 00:41:29,386 --> 00:41:35,593 CIRCULATION. PROTESTS FOLLOWED. HE'S CALLING HIMSELF THE C.E.O. OF EL SALVADOR. 330 00:41:35,659 --> 00:41:41,298 WHAT KIND OF C.E.O. DO YOU THINK HE IS? >> Membreño: UNRESPONSIBLE ONE. AN IMMATURE ONE. 331 00:41:41,365 --> 00:41:48,205 >> Alfonsi: BUT ISN'T BUKELE KIND OF A GENIUS IN A WAY, BECAUSE HE'S CHANGED THE NARRATIVE? 332 00:41:48,272 --> 00:41:53,310 YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE GANG PROBLEM; WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, "LOOK WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH BITCOIN." 333 00:41:53,377 --> 00:41:59,583 >> Membreño: YEAH, DEFINITELY. AND-- AND HE'S SO GOOD AT IT. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A DAY IN WHICH 334 00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:05,356 PEOPLE WILL FIND OUT THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS INDEBTED, THAT THEY WILL INCREASE TAXES TO EVERYBODY, AND THAT THE PARTY IS 335 00:42:05,422 --> 00:42:14,632 OVER. >> Alfonsi: IN EL ZONTE, 19- YEAR-OLD ISMAEL GALDAMEZ DOESN'T WORRY ABOUT A WIPEOUT. 336 00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:21,372 HE'S TEACHING SURF LESSONS AND BACK IN SCHOOL. AND WHEN HE LEARNED THE SHAVED ICE VENDORS IN EL ZONTE WERE 337 00:42:21,438 --> 00:42:28,245 GOING 30 MINUTES OUT OF TOWN TO BUY ICE, HE DECIDED TO BECOME THE ICE SUPPLIER IN TOWN AND USED HIS BITCOIN PROFITS TO BUY 338 00:42:28,312 --> 00:42:32,583 THIS FREEZER. >> Galdamez: IT WAS $200. >> Alfonsi: AND YOU CUT THOSE GUYS OUT OF THE ICE GAME? 339 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:36,921 >> Galdamez: EXACTLY. >> Alfonsi: YOU'RE A SHARK. >> Galdamez: YES. >> Alfonsi: A BITCOIN SHARK... 340 00:42:36,987 --> 00:42:45,062 IN BRACES. ISMAEL IS PLANNING TO MOVE HIS PARENTS AND SIBLINGS INTO THIS NEW HOUSE IN EL ZONTE LATER THIS 341 00:42:45,129 --> 00:43:04,615 MONTH. HE PLANS TO PAY THE MORTGAGE IN BITCOIN. ( TICKING ) 342 00:43:07,885 --> 00:43:15,926 >> Alfonsi: I'M SHARON ALFONSI. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES." 343 00:43:18,896 --> 00:43:20,597 ( TICKING ) Captioning funded by CBS