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and FORD.
We go further, so you can.
>> HOW FREQUENTLY ARE THESE
ATTACKS ON MEDICAL
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INFRASTRUCTURE HAPPENING?
>> DAILY.
AND THAT'S WORRISOME.
>> IN FACT, ATTACKING HEALTH
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CARE WORKERS AND HEALTH CARE
FACILITIES IS LITERALLY THE
ORIGINAL WAR CRIME...
>> YES.
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>> ...FROM THE GENEVA CONVENTION
IN 1864.
IN 1864.
>> EXACTLY.
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>> THIS IS A HOSPITAL IN
MYKOLAIV, ANOTHER HOSPITAL IN
MARIUPOL, THE LUHANSK CHILDREN'S
HOSPITAL, A HOSPITAL IN
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VOLNOVAKHA, AND THE MATERNITY
HOSPITAL IN MARIUPOL.
( TICKING )
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>> WHY DO SO MANY RUSSIAN
OLIGARCHS LIVE IN THE UNITED
KINGDOM?
WE TRAVELED TO LONDON, OR
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LONDONGRAD AS IT'S SOMETIMES
CALLED, TO FIND OUT.
WAS THIS ALL A STRATEGY FOR THE
OLIGARCHS TO BUILD INFLUENCE
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HERE IN THE U.K?
>> I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS
PRETTY CLEAR THAT IN SOME CASES
IT WAS.
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>> THESE ARE BEAUTIFUL.
LAURIE ANDERSON'S LARGEST-EVER
U.S. EXHIBITION IS CURRENTLY ON
DISPLAY AT THE SMITHSONIAN'S
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HIRSHHORN MUSEUM ON THE NATIONAL
MALL IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
IT'S AN ODYSSEY THROUGH HER
SINGULAR CREATIVE LIFE.
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THIS SEEMS VERY OMINOUS TO ME.
>> GOOD.
>> WOW!
IN ONE ROOM SHE'S PAINTED WORDS
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AND IMAGES THAT SEEM TO EXPLODE
ONTO THE WALLS AND FLOOR.
IT'S A KIND OF MULTI-DIMENSIONAL
SKETCHBOOK OF HER THOUGHTS,
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DREAMS, AND STORIES.
♪ ♪ ♪
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>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
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>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES AND MORE, TONIGHT
ON "60 MINUTES."
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>> Pelley: TONIGHT, THE RUSSIAN
ARMY HAS ABANDONED ITS ATTEMPT
TO TAKE UKRAINE'S CAPITAL CITY.
KYIV IS STILL UNDER AIR ASSAULT
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BUT RUSSIAN GROUND TROOPS ARE
RETREATING FROM THE SUBURBS
AFTER SUFFERING GRIEVOUS LOSSES.
NEW IMAGES OF LIBERATED
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NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SCENES OF RUIN
WITH EVIDENCE OF MANY CIVILIAN
DEATHS.
A PENTAGON SOURCE TELLS US THE
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GREATEST BATTLE NOW IS FOR THE
COASTAL CITY OF MARIUPOL.
MORE THAN 100,000 CIVILIANS ARE
TRAPPED THERE.
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ALSO, RUSSIAN MISSILES HAVE
EXPLODED IN THE MAJOR PORT CITY
OF ODESSA.
RUSSIA EXPECTED UKRAINE TO FALL
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IN A MATTER OF DAYS.
BUT NOW, AFTER SIX WEEKS, THE
RUSSIAN MILITARY HAS FAILED TO
SEIZE EVEN ONE OF ITS STRATEGIC
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OBJECTIVES.
EIGHT DAYS AGO, RUSSIAN MISSILES
EXPLODED IN LVIV, THE WESTERN
UKRAINIAN CITY NEAREST TO POLAND
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AND NATO.
THE ATTACK WAS PERHAPS A MESSAGE
TO PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHO WAS
SPEAKING IN POLAND THAT SAME
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HOUR.
THE NAME LVIV MEANS "CITY OF
LIONS."
AND THIS PAST WEEK, WE TRAVELED
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THERE TO FIND A DEFIANT PEOPLE
BRAVING AIR STRIKES, RUSHING IN
MEDICAL SUPPLIES, AND SHELTERING
THE INNOCENT.
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THIS IS THE ATTACK ON LVIV.
MARCH 26, AS UKRAINE FOUGHT THIS
INFERNO, MR. BIDEN CAME TO THE
END OF A PRECISELY CRAFTED
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SPEECH, THEN ADLIBBED HIS
DISGUST FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN.
>> President Biden: FOR GOD'S
SAKE, THIS MAN CANNOT REMAIN IN
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POWER.
>> Pelley: AMONG DIPLOMATS, IT
WAS HERESY.
BUT IN THE BOMB SHELTERS OF
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LVIV, IT WAS A PRAYER.
THE REGION, CENTERED ON THIS
NEARLY 800-YEAR-OLD CITY, HAS
BARRICADED ITS MONUMENTS AND
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OPENED ITS HEART WITH SHELTER
FOR HALF A MILLION HOMELESS
UKRAINIANS.
( LARYSA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN )
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"WE WANT TO GO HOME.
WE WANT TO GO HOME NOW.
BUT THEY'RE SHOOTING THERE."
LARYSA, HER SON, AND DAUGHTER
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FLED THE CITY OF KHARKIV ON A
19-HOUR TRAIN WITH NO FOOD OR
WATER.
( LARYSA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN )
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"BOMBING, BOMBING, BOMBING,
SHE TOLD US.
BOMBING, DAY AND NIGHT."
( LARYSA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN )
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"IT'S LIKE ARMAGEDDON," SHE
SAID.
>> Pelley: TEN MILLION
UKRAINIANS HAVE FLED ARMAGEDDON-
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- FOUR MILLION OUT OF THE
COUNTRY, SIX MILLION COMPRESSED
INTO UKRAINIAN CITIES.
IN "THE CITY OF LIONS," YOU CAN
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SPOT THE EVACUATION SHELTERS BY
THE CARGO PALLETS OUTSIDE.
THEY'RE FOUNDATIONS FOR NEW
HOMES.
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THIS IS A BASKETBALL COURT,
BLANKETED IN DONATED BEDDING.
THE HOMELESS, WRAPPED IN
COMPASSION, REST ON THE LATTICE
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OF THE WOODEN PALLETS.
THE ONLY PLACE THEY HAVE IN THE
WORLD MEASURES TEN FEET BY
THREE AND-A-HALF.
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THE SHELTERS ARE DANK, WITH THE
FAINT, ACRID SMELL OF TOO MANY
PEOPLE IN TOO SMALL A SPACE.
THE RULES ARE IMPLIED--
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KEEP QUIET, MIND YOUR PALLET,
DO NOT SHOW FEAR TO THE
CHILDREN.
FOOD AND MEDICINE ARE IN SHORT
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SUPPLY.
THEIR ONLY WEALTH IS TIME--
ENDLESS HOURS OF WORRY BROKEN
ONLY BY THE SIGHT OF A NEW
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ARRIVAL OR THE WAIL OF A SIREN.
( SIREN WAILING )
AIR RAID WARNINGS BREAK UP THE
DAY AND SEND UKRAINIANS TAPPING
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FOR A NEW APP THEY CAN'T LIVE
WITHOUT.
CALLED "AIR ALARM," IT SETS OFF
THE PHONE IN AN AIR RAID AND
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PINPOINTS WHERE THE BOMBS ARE
FALLING.
ON THIS EVACUATION, WE RAN INTO
IRYNA, A WOMAN WHO'D HEARD ONE
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SIREN TOO MANY.
( IRYNA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN )
"WHY?
WHY ARE THEY WREAKING THIS
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DESTRUCTION?
WHAT DID WE DO TO THEM?"
SHE SAID OF THE RUSSIANS.
( IRYNA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN )
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"WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AT A CURB
AND YOU SEE A LITTLE CHILD LYING
THERE, DEAD, WHAT DID SHE DO?
HUNDREDS OF OUR LITTLE CHILDREN
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ARE BEING KILLED-- LITTLE
CHILDREN, DO YOU SEE?"
WE DID SEE, IN AN IMAGE FROM THE
CITY OF MARIUPOL.
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A BLOOD-STAINED BABY BLANKET
WRAPPED AN 18-MONTH-OLD BOY.
THE MOTHER FOLLOWS HER PARTNER
INTO A HOSPITAL.
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HER CHILD, NAMED KIRILL, DID NOT
SURVIVE.
WE WANT TO WARN YOU THAT WHAT
YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE OF THIS
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FAMILY IS HARD TO WATCH, BUT
THIS IS RUSSIA'S WAR ON
CIVILIANS IN UKRAINE.
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THE CASUALTIES INCLUDE THE
HOSPITALS THEMSELVES.
RUSSIA TARGETS THEM IN A
CRIMINAL CAMPAIGN.
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THIS IS A HOSPITAL IN MYKOLAIV,
ANOTHER HOSPITAL IN MARIUPOL,
THE LUHANSK CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL,
A HOSPITAL IN VOLNOVAKHA, AND
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THE MATERNITY HOSPITAL IN
MARIUPOL.
>> Dr. Jarno Habicht: WE HAVE
SEEN, AS OF TODAY, 72 ATTACKS ON
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HEALTH.
>> Pelley: DR. JARNO HABICHT
TOTALS THE ATROCITIES AS THE
HEAD OF THE U.N.'S WORLD HEALTH
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ORGANIZATION IN UKRAINE.
>> Habicht: MANY DOCTORS IN THE
HOSPITALS ARE ALSO UNDER ATTACK.
AND IT'S NOT ONLY HOSPITALS.
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IT COULD BE HOSPITALS.
IT COULD BE THE PRIMARY CARE
CENTERS.
WE HAVE SEEN MANY ATTACKS TO THE
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AMBULANCES.
WE HAVE 71 DEATHS AND A NUMBER
OF INJURIES ALSO THROUGH THOSE
ATTACKS.
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>> Pelley: 71 DEAD?
THOSE INCLUDE HEALTH CARE
PROFESSIONALS AND THEIR
PATIENTS?
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>> Habicht: THESE ARE THE HEALTH
CARE WORKERS, PATIENTS, THOSE
WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE FACILITIES.
>> Pelley: HOW FREQUENTLY ARE
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THESE ATTACKS ON MEDICAL
INFRASTRUCTURE HAPPENING?
>> Habicht: DAILY.
AND THAT'S WORRISOME.
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> Pelley: IN FACT, ATTACKING
HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND HEALTH
CARE FACILITIES IS LITERALLY THE
ORIGINAL WAR CRIME...
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>> Habicht: YES.
>> Pelley: ...FROM THE GENEVA
CONVENTION IN 1864.
>> Habicht: EXACTLY.
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>> Pelley: WHEN A HOSPITAL IS
ATTACKED, WHAT IS LOST?
>> Habicht: YOU LOSE HOPE,
BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE GO TO
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HOSPITAL BECAUSE THEY WANT TO
GET THE CARE, AND WHEN HOSPITALS
ARE ATTACKED, YOU DON'T HAVE
THOSE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN
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ACTUALLY GET HEALED AND BE
TREATED.
>> Pelley: AND THAT IS THE LOSS
OF HOPE?
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>> abicht: YES.
>> Pelley: IN UKRAINE TODAY,
HOPE MUST BE IMPORTED.
WE FOUND IT IN AN ABANDONED
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FACTORY WHERE AN AMERICAN
CHARITY, THE INTERNATIONAL
MEDICAL CORPS, IS DISTRIBUTING
MEDICAL SUPPLIES.
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>> Dr. John Roberts: EVERYTHING
IS BROKEN DOWN EXACTLY HOW YOU'D
SEE IT, YOU KNOW, IN A PHARMACY.
FOR INSTANCE, AMOXICILLIN, AN
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ANTIBIOTIC THAT'S REALLY, REALLY
USEFUL.
>> Pelley: THE I.M.C.'S DR. JOHN
ROBERTS TOLD US THESE BOXES HOLD
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EMERGENCY SUPPLIES CALLED AN
"I.H.K." OR INTERAGENCY HEALTH
KIT.
AND THIS WOULD TREAT HOW MANY
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PATIENTS FOR HOW LONG?
>> Roberts: SO THE I.H.K. AS A
TOTAL KIT CAN TREAT 10,000
PEOPLE FOR THREE MONTHS.
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WE HAVE BROUGHT IN TONS, AND
TONS, AND TONS OF MEDICAL
SUPPLIES, SURGICAL EQUIPMENT,
MEDICATIONS, BANDAGES,
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EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NEED
TO NOT ONLY DO PRIMARY HEALTH
CARE, BUT ALSO TO DO SURGERY, TO
BIRTH BABIES, TO TAKE CARE OF
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PREGNANT WOMEN.
>> Pelley: WITH A COUNTRY AT
WAR, HOW ARE THE NEEDS
DIFFERENT?
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>> Roberts: PEOPLE THINK "WAR,"
THEY THINK IT'S ALL GUNSHOT
WOUNDS AND BOMBS.
BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE
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HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THERE,
EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S NOT
NORMALLY A PROBLEM ALL OF A
SUDDEN BECOMES A PROBLEM.
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SO, FOR INSTANCE, SOMETHING AS
SIMPLE AS BLOOD PRESSURE
MEDICATION, OR MEDICATION FOR
HEART FAILURE, OR DIABETES,
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GETTING YOUR INSULIN, THAT GOES
AWAY.
>> Pelley: IN THE WAREHOUSE,
WE MET TWO INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL
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CORPS CO-WORKERS WHO RECENTLY
FLED THIS.
THESE ARE BURNED-OUT APARTMENT
BUILDINGS IN MARIUPOL.
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THE RUSSIANS COULDN'T SEIZE THIS
SOUTHERN PORT CITY, SO THEY
BOMBED THE 450,000 RESIDENTS
BACK TO THE MIDDLE AGES.
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VIOLETTA VOLOSHKINA AND
OLEKSANDR LAPAIEV ESCAPED WITH
THE TRUTH.
( OLEKSANDR LAPAIEV SPEAKING
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UKRAINIAN AND RUSSIAN )
"SUDDENLY THERE WAS NO GAS AT
THE GAS STATIONS," HE TOLD US.
"SO, WE COULDN'T GO ANYWHERE.
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THEN, FOOD STARTED DISAPPEARING
FROM THE STORES.
AND REAL HELL BROKE LOOSE--
POWER WAS OUT, WE COULDN'T
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CHARGE OUR PHONES, THE HEAT WAS
GONE.
THE WORST THING WAS THE
EXPLOSIONS GETTING CLOSER.
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THE SCHOOL WAS BURNING, SOME
SHOPS WERE ON FIRE.
NEXT TO OUR APARTMENT BUILDING
THERE WAS AN ABANDONED HOME.
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AND THAT BUILDING REALLY SAVED
US, BECAUSE WE COULD GO THERE,
BREAK THE DOOR FRAMES AND WINDOW
FRAMES, AND USE THAT TO START
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FIRES."
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE YOU
WERE WITH, IN THE BOMB SHELTER?
( OLEKSANDR LAPAIEV SPEAKING
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UKRAINIAN AND RUSSIAN )
"THERE WERE ABOUT 50 OF US IN
THE BASEMENT-- NO ROOM TO LIE
DOWN, MYSELF WITH MY WIFE AND
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DAUGHTER.
THERE WAS NO BATHROOM, NO WATER,
NO LIGHT.
ONE ELDERLY LADY SUFFERED FOR
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TWO DAYS, SHE SHOUTED,
SHE MOANED.
AND IMAGINE, IT'S 11:00 AT
NIGHT, IT'S DARK, AND SHE PASSES
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AWAY."
HE TOLD US FOUR DAYS LATER THEY
ESCAPED THE BASEMENT.
THE BODY OF THE ELDERLY WOMAN
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WAS STILL BY THE DOOR.
( VIOLETTA VOLOSHKINA SPEAKING
RUSSIAN )
"WHEN WE WERE IN THE BASEMENT,"
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VIOLETTA TOLD US, "WE THOUGHT
THAT ONLY OUR PLACE WAS BEING
SHELLED, BECAUSE PLANES WERE
FLYING OVER US AND DROPPING
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BOMBS.
WHEN WE LEFT THE CITY, WE SAW
THE WHOLE CITY WAS DESTROYED."
YOU GAVE US A PICTURE OF THE
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BASEMENT SHELTER YOU WERE IN.
WHAT WAS THAT LIKE?
( VIOLETTA VOLOSHKINA SPEAKING
RUSSIAN )
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"WE HAD TO COOK ON A FIRE.
WE DIDN'T WASH FOR TWO WEEKS
BECAUSE THE WATER WAS ONLY FOR
DRINKING.
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WE COLLECTED BRANCHES, MADE A
FIRE AND ALL COOKED TOGETHER.
ALL THE PEOPLE BROUGHT
EVERYTHING THEY HAD.
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NATURALLY, WE COOKED ALL THE
MEAT FIRST BECAUSE IT WOULD
SPOIL."
YOUR DAUGHTER TURNED 17 YEARS
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OLD DURING THIS INVASION AND I
WONDER IF YOU THINK SHE HAS A
FUTURE IN UKRAINE?
( OLEKSANDR LAPAIEV SPEAKING
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UKRAINIAN AND RUSSIAN )
"EVERYTHING I OWN FITS IN A
SINGLE SUITCASE," OLEKSANDER
TOLD US.
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"I DON'T KNOW, HONESTLY, HOW A
CHILD IS SUPPOSED TO CARRY ON."
THE RUSSIANS CLAIM THEY ARE
LIBERATING THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE.
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( VIOLETTA VOLOSHKINA SPEAKING
RUSSIAN )
"WE DIDN'T ASK ANYONE TO
LIBERATE US.
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WE LIVED PEACEFULLY IN OUR CITY.
WE LIVED OUR LIVES.
WE WENT TO WORK, AND EVERYTHING
WAS FINE, WE HAD A HAPPY LIFE.
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SOMEONE STARTED A WAR, AND
SOMEONE RUINED OUR LIVES."
LVIV HAS KNOWN MANY INVASIONS
OVER EIGHT CENTURIES.
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HERE, JUST GOING ABOUT THE DAY
IS AN ACT OF DEFIANCE.
ON THE COFFEE SHOP DOOR, WE
COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THE
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SIGN THAT KEEPS A DAILY TALLY OF
RUSSIAN SOLDIERS KILLED AND
PLANES AND TANKS AND SHIPS
DESTROYED.
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THE NUMBERS ARE FROTHY BUT,
INSIDE, WHERE I.D.S ARE CHECKED
TO KEEP RUSSIANS OUT, THEY'RE
SERVING UP COURAGE.
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>> Roberts: CAN YOU TELL ME A
LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU'RE
FEELING AND THE PROBLEMS YOU ARE
HAVING?
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>> Pelley: IN THE SHELTERS,
DR. JOHN ROBERTS IS LOOKING AT
THE LONG HAUL, COUNTING UP THE
SHORTAGES.
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>> Roberts: WE TRY AND FORMULATE
EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED, AND FILL
THAT NEED IN THE BEST WAY
POSSIBLE.
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SO WE BRING IN TONS OF
MEDICATIONS...
( AIR RAID SIREN BLARES )
>> Pelley: YOU KNOW, I THINK
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THAT'S THE AIR RAID SIREN.
>> Roberts: YES, IT IS.
>> Pelley: ONCE AGAIN, LVIV TOOK
COVER.
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DURING OUR VISIT, THE UNITED
NATIONS APPOINTED A COMMISSION
TO INVESTIGATE WAR CRIMES.
THAT WILL BE FOR THE FUTURE.
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FOR NOW, IN THE SHELTERS OF
"THE CITY OF LIONS," THEY PRAY
THEIR LIGHT ENDURES THE
DARKNESS.
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>> SEE HOW THE "60 MINUTES" TEAM
REPORTED FROM INSIDE UKRAINE,
AT 60minutesovertime.com.
SPONSORED BY COLOGUARD.
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( TICKING )
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>> Bill Whitaker: AS RUSSIAN
TROOPS LAY WASTE TO UKRAINIAN
CITIES, THE WEST HAS TRIED TO
PUNISH PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN
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BY CHOKING OFF THE FINANCES OF
HIS CLOSEST ALLIES, MEGA-RICH
OLIGARCHS WHO HAVE LIVED ABROAD
IN LUXURY FOR DECADES.
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AND WHILE EUROPE HAS SEIZED
MANSIONS AND SUPER-YACHTS, AND
THE U.S. HAS FROZEN BANK
ACCOUNTS AND BANNED TRAVEL, THE
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U.K. IS LAGGING BEHIND.
FOR YEARS, BRITAIN ACTIVELY
COURTED RUSSIAN BILLIONAIRES,
IGNORING REPORTS THAT SOME OF
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THEIR WEALTH WAS SUSPECT.
TODAY, THERE'S SO MUCH RUSSIAN
CASH IN BRITAIN, THE CAPITAL HAS
BEEN NICKNAMED “LONDONGRAD.”
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BRITISH INTELLIGENCE HAS WARNED
THAT OLIGARCHS' MONEY IS
PROPPING UP PUTIN'S REGIME, AND
HELPING TO FUND THE WAR IN
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UKRAINE.
NOW, THE U.K. IS UNDER PRESSURE
TO SHOW ITS WESTERN ALLIES IT
CAN STOP THE FLOOD OF CORRUPT
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MONEY.
>> Dominic Grieve: MONEY HAS
BEEN FLOWING INTO THE UNITED
KINGDOM, ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT
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ABOUT THIS, WHICH OFTEN HAS HAD
WHAT I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE AS A
TAINTED SOURCE.
BUT THEN, RUSSIA IS A MAFIA
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STATE.
>> Whitaker: DOMINIC GRIEVE IS A
FORMER CONSERVATIVE MEMBER OF
PARLIAMENT, WHO SERVED AS
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ATTORNEY GENERAL AND CHAIRED
BRITAIN'S INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE.
HIS 2019 REPORT ON RUSSIAN
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INTERFERENCE IN U.K. POLITICS,
FOUND BRITAIN WAS AWASH IN
RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS' MONEY, MUCH
OF IT FROM UNTRACEABLE SOURCES.
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>> Grieve: SO, ONE HAS TO FACE
UP TO THE FACT THAT IF YOU'RE
GOING TO LIVE IN RUSSIA OR DO
BUSINESS IN RUSSIA, YOU HAVE TO
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DANCE TO THE TUNE OF THE MAFIA
BOSS.
AND THE MAFIA BOSS IS PRESIDENT
PUTIN.
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>> Whitaker: YOU DON'T BECOME AN
OLIGARCH, YOU DON'T BECOME A
WEALTHY BUSINESSMAN IN RUSSIA
WITHOUT DANCING TO THE TUNE OF
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PUTIN?
>> Grieve: A LOT OF RUSSIAN
BUSINESSMEN HAVE VERY CLOSE
LINKS TO THE KREMLIN.
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OTHERS DON'T.
BUT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A
CONNECTION TO RUSSIA, THEN THE
RISK IS THAT IF YOU DON'T
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CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF
THE RUSSIAN STATE YOU WILL COME
UNSTUCK.
>> Whitaker: SINCE THE COLLAPSE
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OF THE SOVIET UNION, THE UNITED
KINGDOM HAS WELCOMED THE
OLIGARCHS WITH FEW QUESTIONS
ASKED ABOUT THEIR FORTUNES.
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INSTEAD, A TWO-MILLION-POUND
INVESTMENT GOT SPECIAL VISAS AND
A FAST TRACK TO CITIZENSHIP FOR
HUNDREDS OF OLIGARCHS.
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BILLIONS OF POUNDS POURED IN,
AND RUSSIAN TYCOONS WENT ON A
BUYING SPREE.
ANDREY GURYEV, AN OIL
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BILLIONAIRE, BOUGHT WITANHURST.
IN LONDON, ONLY BUCKINGHAM
PALACE IS LARGER.
ROMAN ABRAMOVICH PURCHASED THE
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CHAMPION CHELSEA SOCCER CLUB.
THERE WAS SO MUCH MONEY, DOMINIC
GRIEVE SAYS, IT WAS HARD TO TELL
LEGITIMATE INVESTORS FROM
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CROOKED ONES.
THE 2019 REPORT FOUND IT WAS SO
EASY TO WASH DIRTY CASH IN
BRITAIN, THE VISA PROGRAM WAS
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KNOWN AS THE LAUNDROMAT.
IT SOUNDS QUITE ALARMING, WHAT
YOU FOUND IN THIS REPORT.
>> Grieve: EVERYBODY ON IT WAS
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IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT THAT THE
UNITED KINGDOM WAS IN DANGER OF
BEING COMPLACENT ABOUT THE
THREAT THAT RUSSIA POSED IN THE
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ROUND, ONE ASPECT OF WHICH WAS
THE FACT THAT WE HAD OPENED THE
DOOR TO ALLOWING LARGE
QUANTITIES OF RUSSIAN MONEY TO
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COME INTO OUR COUNTRY AND TO BE
INVESTED HERE.
>> Whitaker: WAS THIS ALL A
STRATEGY FOR THE OLIGARCHS TO,
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SORT OF, BUILD INFLUENCE HERE IN
THE U.K.?
>> Grieve: I THINK THE EVIDENCE
IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT IN SOME
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CASES IT WAS.
IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE
INFLUENCE IS BEING USED TO TRY
TO SOFTEN UP THE RESPONSES OF
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WESTERN DEMOCRACIES TOWARDS THE
ACTIONS OF THE RUSSIAN STATE.
>> Whitaker: THE OLIGARCHS MAY
LIVE ABROAD IN SPLENDOR BUT
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MOST, NOT ALL, OWE THEIR
FORTUNES TO VLADIMIR PUTIN.
PUTIN CAN MAKE THEM DO
PRACTICALLY ANYTHING, SAYS
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MIKHAIL KHODORKOVSKY, ONCE THE
RICHEST BILLIONAIRE IN RUSSIA,
HE'S NOW JUST A MILLIONAIRE IN
EXILE IN LONDON.
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KHODORKOVSKY TOLD US MANY OF THE
OLIGARCHS THRIVE AND SURVIVE AT
THE INDULGENCE OF THE KREMLIN.
"THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT," HE
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TOLD US, "PUTIN WILL GIVE THE
ORDER TO RECRUIT MERCENARIES,
TRANSFER MONEY, OR SPREAD FAKE
NEWS ON SOCIAL MEDIA."
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HE TOLD US PUTIN USES OLIGARCH
MONEY TO HELP FUND THE WAR IN
UKRAINE.
AND THE OLIGARCHS, PUTIN'S FOOT
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SOLDIERS HE CALLS THEM, SIMPLY
COMPLY.
"I THINK BECAUSE THEY FEEL A
NOOSE AROUND THEIR NECK TIED BY
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PUTIN," HE TOLD US.
"I CAN ONLY EXPLAIN IT THIS
WAY."
IN 2003 KHODORKOVSKY, AN OIL
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TITAN, DARED TO PUBLICLY
CRITICIZE PUTIN.
HE WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH
FRAUD.
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THE LION OF INDUSTRY WAS TRIED
AND CONVICTED IN A COURTROOM
CAGE AND SPENT TEN YEARS IN
PRISON.
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IS THAT WHY MORE PEOPLE DON'T
SPEAK OUT AGAINST PUTIN?
"YES," HE TOLD US, "PUTIN WANTED
TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT NO ONE
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WAS ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE HIM.
IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT THE KREMLIN
WANTS, YOU CAN EASILY BE
IMPRISONED."
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KHODORKOVSKY TOLD US THE
OLIGARCHS' LINKS TO THE KREMLIN
SHOULD HAVE SET OFF ALARMS.
INSTEAD, THE INFUSION OF MONEY
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IGNITED A LONDON REAL ESTATE
BOOM.
A GOVERNMENT REPORT FOUND ONE OF
THE EASIEST WAYS TO TURN DIRTY
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MONEY INTO A LEGITIMATE ASSET IS
TO BUY A HOUSE.
>> Oliver Bullough: INCREDIBLY
GRAND STAIRWAYS.
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>> Whitaker: OLIVER BULLOUGH
WORKED AS A JOURNALIST IN
RUSSIA, AND NOW WRITES BOOKS ON
FINANCIAL CRIMES.
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HE SHOWED US AROUND TO EXPLAIN
HOW THE LAUNDROMAT WORKS.
THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF
CHOICE FOR THE RUSSIAN
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OLIGARCHS?
THIS IS BELGRAVIA.
THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND EATON
SQUARE ARE SOME OF THE MOST
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EXPENSIVE ON EARTH, ONCE THE
EXCLUSIVE PRESERVE OF DUKES AND
BARONS, NOW...
>> Bullough: THERE IS THIS
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NICKNAME FOR EATON SQUARE.
IT'S CALLED "RED SQUARE" BECAUSE
THERE ARE SO MANY RUSSIANS.
I MEAN, IT'S A SLIGHTLY IRONIC
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NICKNAME, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE RED
SQUARE IS, YOU KNOW, TENDS BE
ASSOCIATED WITH COMMUNISM.
>> Whitaker: THE ANTI-CORRUPTION
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GROUP, TRANSPARENCY
INTERNATIONAL, ESTIMATES RUSSIAN
OLIGARCHS WITH LINKS TO THE
KREMLIN OWN AT LEAST $2 BILLION
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WORTH OF PROPERTY IN LONDON.
SO, IF AN OLIGARCH WERE TO BUY
IN HERE, HE COULD CLEAN HIS
MONEY AND HIS REPUTATION?
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>> Bullough: YEAH.
IF YOU'RE THE KIND OF PERSON WHO
CAN OWN A HOUSE ON EATON SQUARE,
YOU'RE SLIPPING IN, SEAMLESSLY
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SLIPPING INTO A TRADITION OF
ARISTOCRACY AND NOBILITY.
>> Whitaker: IT'S POWERFUL
>> Bullough IT'S POWERFUL.
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RIGHT?
YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO HAS STOLEN A
COMPANY IN RUSSIA.
YOU ARE ONLY RICH BECAUSE YOU'RE
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FRIENDS WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN.
BUT LOOK, LOOK WHAT YOU'VE GOT,
LOOK WHERE YOU ARE.
THIS IS LONDON'S CORE INDUSTRY.
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THIS IS WHAT WE DO: TRANSFORMING
THUGS INTO ARISTOCRATS 24 HOURS
A DAY.
>> Whitaker: OLIGARCH CARE IN
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LONDON IS WORTH AN ESTIMATED
$350 MILLION A YEAR.
REAL ESTATE AGENTS, TAX
ADVISORS, BANKERS HAVE BECOME
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RICH SERVING THEM.
HIGH-POWERED LAWYERS DEPLOY THE
BRITISH LEGAL SYSTEM TO PROTECT
THEM.
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ALL THE WHILE, BULLOUGH TOLD US,
MOST BRITISH POLITICIANS TURNED
A BLIND EYE.
>> Bullough: THERE WAS A GENERAL
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FEELNG THAT IF THE MONEY WAS
COMING HERE AND PAYING TAXES
THAT WAS BUILDING SCHOOLS AND
BUILDING ROADS AND BUILDING
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HOSPITALS, THEN WE DIDN'T CARE
WHERE IT CAME FROM.
BUT IT SEEMS EXTRAORDINARY NOW,
LOOKING BACK, THAT THE MURDER OF
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ALEXANDER LITVINENKO IN 2006 DID
NOT OCCASION A NATIONAL
CONVERSATION AT LEAST ABOUT WHAT
WE WERE DOING.
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>> Whitaker: A FORMER K.G.B.
SPY, ALEXANDER LITVINENKO WAS
WORKING WITH BRITISH POLICE TO
EXPOSE THE RUSSIAN MAFIA WHEN
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KREMLIN ASSASSINS PUT A
RADIOACTIVE TOXIN IN HIS TEACUP.
IN 2018, RUSSIAN DOUBLE AGENT
SERGEI SKRIPAL AND HIS DAUGHTER,
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SURVIVED AN ATTACK WITH A
SOVIET-ERA NERVE AGENT ON
BRITISH SOIL.
STILL, BULLOUGH TOLD US, THE
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LAUNDROMAT CHURNED ON.
ONLY NOW WITH RUSSIAN MISSILES
RAINING DEATH ON UKRAINE IS
BRITAIN SERIOUSLY QUESTIONING
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THE MONEY OLIGARCHS HAVE BEEN
SHOWERING DOWN ON THEM FOR
YEARS.
>> Bullough: IT WAS PRETTY
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OBVIOUS WHAT RUSSIA WAS LIKE BY
2018.
AND YET, IT WAS STILL- YOU FIND
PRIME MINISTERS SAYING “IT'S
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TIME WE FINALLY GOT RID OF THE
DIRTY MONEY IN THIS COUNTRY."
SO, IT'S TIME NOW?
HOW WAS IT NOT TIME, YOU KNOW, A
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DECADE PREVIOUSLY?
WE HAVE BECOME VERY DEPENDENT
CERTAINLY, IN LONDON ON THE FEES
THAT THIS MONEY GENERATES.
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>> WE NOW COME TO THE LEADER OF
THE OPPOSITION, THE RIGHT
HONORABLE KEIR STARMER.
>> Keir Starmer: FOR TOO LONG
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BRITAIN HAS BEEN A SAFE HAVEN
FOR STOLEN MONEY.
PUTIN THINKS THAT WE'RE TOO
CORRUPTED TO DO THE RIGHT THING
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AND PUT AN END TO IT.
DOES THE PRIME MINISTER AGREE
NOW IS THE TIME TO SANCTION
EVERY OLIGARCH AND CRACK OPEN
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EVERY SHELL COMPANY SO WE CAN
PROVE PUTIN WRONG?
>> PRIME MINISTER.
>> Boris Johnson: YES MR.
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SPEAKER, AND THAT IS WHY THIS
GOVERNMENT HAS BROUGHT FORWARD
THE UNPRECEDENTED MEASURES THAT
WE HAVE.
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>> Whitaker: THE GOVERNMENT OF
BORIS JOHNSON CANCELED THE VISA
PROGRAM WHEN RUSSIA INVADED
UKRAINE.
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IT BANNED TRAVEL AND FROZE THE
ASSETS OF 19 OLIGARCHS.
IT WILL SOON LAUNCH AN ANTI-
CORRUPTION POLICE UNIT.
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BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES, LABOR
AND CONSERVATIVE, HAVE COURTED
RUSSIAN MONEY, BUT CONSERVATIVES
HAVE GOTTEN THE LION'S SHARE—-
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AT LEAST $4 MILLION IN POLITICAL
DONATIONS SINCE 2012, INCLUDING
ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS FROM
ALEXANDER TEMERKO, A FORMER
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RUSSIAN ARMS TYCOON, NOW A
BRITISH CITIZEN.
HE'S NOT ON THE SANCTIONS LIST.
>> Ian Blackford: HOW CAN OUR
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ALLIES TRUST THIS PRIME MINISTER
TO CLEAN UP DIRTY RUSSIAN MONEY
IN THE U.K. WHEN HE WON'T EVEN
CLEAN UP HIS OWN POLITICAL
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PARTY?
>> Johnson: MR. SPEAKER, I JUST
THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT
AS YOU UNDERSTAND, WE DO NOT
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RAISE MONEY FROM RUSSIAN
OLIGARCHS.
PEOPLE WHO GIVE MONEY TO THIS—-
TO THIS—- TO THIS--
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WE RAISE MONEY FROM PEOPLE WHO
ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE ON THE
U.K. REGISTER OF INTERESTS, AND
THAT IS, THAT-- THAT IS HOW WE
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DO IT.
>> Whitaker: BUT NOTHING
INFLAMED JOHNSON'S CRITICS MORE
THAN HIS 2020 APPOINTMENT OF
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MEDIA MOGUL EVGENY LEBEDEV, A
DUAL CITIZEN, TO THE HOUSE OF
LORDS.
>> OUR TRUSTEE AND WELL BELOVED
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EVGENY ALEXANDROVICH LEBEDEV.
>> Whitaker: DESPITE WARNINGS
FROM BRITISH SECURITY SERVICES
THAT THE SON OF AN EX-K.G.B.
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AGENT POSED A SECURITY RISK,
LORD LEBEDEV OF HAMPTON AND
SIBERIA PUT ON HIS ERMINE ROBES.
NOW FROM HIS SEAT, HE CAN WATCH
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OTHER BRITISH LORDS RACE TO
RESIGN FROM BOARDS OF RUSSIAN
COMPANIES.
>> Grieve: YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED
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IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS THERE'S
BEEN THE MOST MASSIVE BAILOUT OF
PEOPLE LEAVING THE BOARDS OF
RUSSIAN COMPANIES BECAUSE IT'S
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BECOME SOCIALLY, QUITE APART
FROM POLITICALLY, UNACCEPTABLE
FOR THEM TO BE ON IT.
BUT IN THE PAST, THERE WERE
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PLENTY OF SUCH FACILITATORS
AROUND.
>> Whitaker: WHAT MADE IT
ACCEPTABLE BEFORE?
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I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN ONE
INCIDENT AFTER ANOTHER THAT
SHOULD HAVE SET UP ALARM BELLS.
>> Grieve: WELL, THAT'S
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CERTAINLY MY VIEW, BECAUSE WE
WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE
THINGS AND ABOUT THE THREAT, THE
POTENTIAL THREAT, THAT RUSSIA
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POSES TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.
>> Whitaker: FORMER OLIGARCH
MIKHAIL KHODORKOVSKY TOLD US HE
THOUGHT THE SANCTIONS WERE
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ESSENTIAL BUT NOT ENOUGH.
"WHAT DRIVES ME CRAZY," HE TOLD
US, "IS THE COWARDICE OF WESTERN
LEADERS WHO SAY WE CAN'T DO
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THIS, WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE
PUTIN MIGHT RETALIATE.
THAT APPEASEMENT IS EXACTLY THE
TACTIC THE WEST USED AGAINST
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HITLER AND THAT LED TO MILLIONS
OF LIVES BEING LOST."
>> STOP PUTIN!
STOP THE WAR!
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>> Whitaker: PRESSURE IS
BUILDING ON THE OLIGARCHS OF
BRITAIN.
ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS NOW CALL
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THEM OUT.
CLOSE PUTIN ALLY ROMAN
ABRAMOVICH, WHO IS SELLING HIS
SOCCER CLUB, MAY HAVE BEEN
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POISONED HIMSELF IN KYIV.
INDUSTRIALIST OLEG DERIPASKA'S
BELGRAVIA MANSION WAS OCCUPIED
BY SQUATTERS TWO WEEKS AGO.
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OLIVER BULLOUGH TOLD US LONDON'S
DIRTY SECRET.
>> Bullough: IT'S AMORAL.
IT DOESN'T CARE.
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>> Whitaker: WHAT'S AT STAKE
HERE IF THIS CONTINUES?
>> Bullough: I THINK THE REALLY
IMPORTANT POINT TO UNDERSTAND IS
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THAT AN OLIGARCH DOESN'T STOP
BEING AN OLIGARCH IF THEY FLY TO
THE U.K.
THEY WANT THE SAME THINGS IN THE
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U.K. AS THEY WANT AT HOME, WHICH
IS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT RIGGED
ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT AUCTIONS.
THEY WANT PREFERENTIAL ACCESS TO
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POLITICIANS.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY,
VERY RISK-AVERSE ABOUT ALLOWING
THAT TO HAPPEN HERE.
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BECAUSE ONCE YOU SET OFF DOWN
THAT PATH, IT'S VERY HARD TO
COME BACK.
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>> Anderson Cooper: LAURIE
ANDERSON IS AN ARTIST WHOSE WORK
DEFIES ANY EASY DESCRIPTION.
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SHE'S A PIONEER OF THE AVANT-
GARDE BUT, AS WE LEARNED, THAT
DOESN'T BEGIN TO DESCRIBE WHAT
SHE CREATES.
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HER WORK ISN'T SOLD IN
GALLERIES, IT'S EXPERIENCED BY
AUDIENCES WHO COME TO SEE HER
PERFORM: SINGING, TELLING
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STORIES, AND PLAYING STRANGE
VIOLINS OF HER OWN INVENTION.
SHE WON A GRAMMY FOR A CHAMBER
MUSIC ALBUM ABOUT HURRICANE
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SANDY, AND REMAINS ONE OF
AMERICA'S MOST UNUSUAL AND
VISIONARY ARTISTS.
A MAJOR EXHIBITION OF HER WORK
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IS ON DISPLAY AT THE
SMITHSONIAN'S HIRSHHORN MUSEUM
IN WASHINGTON, D.C.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LAURIE
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ANDERSON.
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SHE'S PLAYED ELECTRONIC DRUMS ON
HER BODY, AND ELECTRIC VIOLINS
THAT SING AND HOWL.
FOR NEARLY FIVE DECADES NOW
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SHE'S BLENDED THE BEAUTIFUL AND
THE BIZARRE, CHALLENGING
AUDIENCES WITH HOMILIES AND
HUMOR.
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>> Laurie Anderson: WELCOME TO
DIFFICULT LISTENING HOUR.
>> Cooper: SHE BLURS BOUNDARIES
ACROSS MUSIC, THEATER, DANCE,
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AND FILM.
IT'S NOT JUST AUDIENCES THAT
HAVE A HARD TIME DEFINING HER
WORK, LAURIE ANDERSON SOMETIMES
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DOES AS WELL.
>> Anderson: I USED TO SAY
MULTIMEDIA ARTIST.
AND THAT WAS RIDICULOUS.
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MULTIMEDIA ARTIST.
IT'S SO CLUMSY.
WITH A GUN TO MY HEAD, I SAY I
TELL STORIES.
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AND THOSE LOOK LIKE PAINTINGS
SOMETIMES.
THEY LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, SONGS.
THEY LOOK LIKE FILMS.
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THEY'RE JUST STORIES.
WHAT IS A STORY?
WHAT IS ITS FUNCTION?
HOW DOES IT WORK?
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WHO'S TELLING IT?
TO WHO?
O SUPERMAN.
>> Cooper: IF YOU'VE HEARD OF
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LAURIE ANDERSON AT ALL, IT MAY
BE BECAUSE OF THIS EIGHT-MINUTE-
LONG SONG SHE RECORDED BACK IN
1980.
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IT'S EERIE AND SOMEWHAT
UNSETTLING AND TO HER SURPRISE,
IT BECAME A HIT.
>> Anderson: THIS WAS A SONG
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ABOUT HOW BASICALLY TECHNOLOGY
CANNOT SAVE YOU.
>> Cooper: I FIRST HEARD IT WHEN
I WAS 14.
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I JUST WAS, LIKE, WHAT IS THIS?
AND I STILL LISTEN TO IT.
>> Anderson: IT'S ABOUT A LOT OF
THINGS.
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JUSTICE.
SAFETY.
PWER.
♪ THERE'S ALWAYS FORCE ♪
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>> Cooper: SHE RECORDED
"O SUPERMAN" HERSELF IN HER
APARTMENT IN DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN.
>> Anderson: I HAD A LOT OF
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EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD LOOP
THINGS.
SO, I WAS MAKING A LOT OF VOCAL
LOOPS.
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ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO HIT IT
RIGHT IN THE RIGHT SPOT, SO THEY
HOCK IT AND DO THIS.
>> Cooper: YOU SAY, "BECAUSE
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WHEN LOVE IS GONE THERE'S ALWAYS
JUSTICE.”
>> Anderson: HERE, HERE YOU GO.
YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE A VOCODER.
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HERE WE GO.
HERE WE GO.
GO AHEAD.
>> Cooper: "AND WHEN JUSTICE IS
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GONE, THERE'S ALWAYS FORCE.
AND WHEN FORCE IS GONE, THERE'S
ALWAYS MOM.
HI, MOM.”
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I LOVE THAT.
>> Anderson: YOU DO THAT VERY
WELL.
>> Cooper: I'VE BEEN LISTENING
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TO IT FOR--
>> Anderson: YOU GOT THE JOB.
>> Cooper: THE SONG LED TO HER
GROUNDBREAKING FIRST ALBUM,
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"BIG SCIENCE."
>> Anderson: WELL, YOU DON'T
KNOW ME.
>> Cooper: "PITCHFORK" SAID,
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"LISTENING TO LAURIE ANDERSON'S
FIRST ALBUM IS LIKE SITTING DOWN
WITH A STRANGE FORM OF LIFE THAT
HAS BEEN STUDYING US FOR A LONG
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TIME."
>> Anderson: I'D LIKE TO MEET
THAT WRITER.
I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS, IS WHEN
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YOU ACTUALLY BREAK IT DOWN,
BIZARRE.
AND UNLIKELY.
THAT'S MY LENS, I THINK.
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UNLIKELY.
>> Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON GREW
UP IN GLEN ELLYN, ILLINOIS,
WHERE SHE WAS ONE OF EIGHT
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CHILDREN.
EVERY WEEKEND SHE PLAYED VIOLIN
WITH THE CHICAGO YOUTH SYMPHONY,
AND THEN WALKED ACROSS THE
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STREET TO THE ART INSTITUTE TO
STUDY PAINTING.
>> Anderson: AND IT DIDN'T SEEM
DIFFERENT TO ME TO GO LIKE THIS
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OR GO LIKE THIS.
>> Cooper: IT WAS THE SAME
THING.
>> Anderson: SAME THING.
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I WOULD JUST, IS THAT?
OR IS THAT?
IS IT--
>> Cooper: PLAYING THE VIOLIN OR
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PAINTING WAS--
>> Anderson: COLORFUL ENOUGH?
IS IT COOL ENOUGH?
IS IT ADVENTUROUS ENOUGH?
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IS IT RIGHT ENOUGH?
IS IT-- IT'S ALL-- IT'S JUST THE
SAME EXACT THING.
ALL THE SAME QUESTIONS.
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AND IT WAS JUST WHAT A HAND WAS
DOING AND WHAT IS,
IT'S MAKING SOUND OVER HERE.
IT'S MAKING COLOR OVER HERE.
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>> Cooper: SHE CAME TO NEW YORK
IN 1966 AND BEGAN EXPERIMENTING
WITH MUSIC AND SHORT FILMS, BUT
AFTER A WHILE SHE THOUGHT HER
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WORK MIGHT BE BETTER RECEIVED IN
EUROPE.
YOU WANTED TO TOUR IN EUROPE.
>> Anderson: I DID, YEAH.
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I WROTE TO ABOUT MAYBE 500,
LET'S SAY, ART CENTERS, SAYING,
"I'M PLANNING A TOUR IN THE
FALL."
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I HAD NO TOUR.
AND "WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE PART
OF THAT?"
>> Cooper: WITH A COUPLE
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RESPONSES, SHE TOOK OFF FOR
ITALY.
THAT'S HER IN 1975, PLAYING A
VIOLIN WITH A TAPE RECORDER
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INSIDE PLAYING LOOPS SO SHE
COULD DUET WITH HERSELF.
>> Anderson: BUT THEN WHEN IS
THE CONCERT OVER?
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THERE'S NO END TO A LOOP.
SO, I THOUGHT, "I NEED A TIMING
MECHANISM."
SO, I WORE SOME ICE SKATES WITH
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THEIR BLADES FROZEN INTO BLOCKS
OF ICE.
SO WHEN I'D PLAY UNTIL THE ICE
STARTED MELTING AND CRACKING.
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AND THEN WHEN I BEGAN TO LOSE MY
BALANCE, I WOULD JUST STOP.
THAT WAS IT.
THAT WAS THE CLOCK.
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>> Cooper: AND YOU WERE DOING
THIS ON THE STREET?
>> Anderson: YEAH.
USUALLY IN THE HOTTEST PART OF
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TOWN, BECAUSE IT COULD TAKE A
LONG TIME TO HAVE THESE THINGS,
THE CUBES MELT.
>> Cooper: FOR YEARS SHE WAS A
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TRAVELING TROUBADOUR,
EXPERIMENTING WITH SOUND, LIGHT
AND STORIES.
>> Anderson: AND I'VE BEEN
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AROUND THE BLOCK, BUT I DON'T
CARE, I'M ON A ROLL, I'M ON A
WILD RIDE.
>> Cooper: AFTER THE UNLIKELY
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SUCCESS OF "O SUPERMAN," SHE GOT
AN EIGHT RECORD DEAL WITH WARNER
BROS.
SUDDENLY, THE AVANT-GARDE ARTIST
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WAS PLAYING ON MTV.
THAT MUST'VE BEEN STRANGE. TO
HAVE THAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL
SUCCESS DANGLED BEFORE YOU.
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>> Anderson: I KNEW ENOUGH ABOUT
THE POP WORLD TO KNOW IT WAS
EXTREMELY FICKLE.
SO, I SAID, "OKAY.
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I'M NOT GONNA BE TRICKED BY
THIS.”
>> Cooper: A CHANCE MEETING WITH
A ROCK AND ROLL LEGEND SHE'D
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VAGUELY HEARD OF CHANGED HER
LIFE.
HIS NAME WAS LOU REED, AND HE
ASKED HER OUT.
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>> Anderson: AND WE WENT OVER TO
THE A.E.S. CONVENTION AT THE
JAVITZ CENTER.
SUPER GEEKY THING TO DO.
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WE WERE LOOKING AT TUBE
MICROPHONES.
>> Cooper: SO, FOR YOUR FIRST
DATE, YOU WENT TO THE ACOUSTICAL
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SOCIETY ENGINEERING CONVENTION.
IT DOESN'T SOUND VERY ROMANTIC.
>> Anderson: I DIDN'T THINK OF
IT AS ROMANTIC.
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>> Cooper: YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT
WAS A DATE?
>> Anderson: NO, I DID NOT.
HE SAID, "LET'S GO GET, LET'S GO
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GET A COFFEE."
I SAID, "OKAY."
AND, AND I WAS LIKE, "I KIND OF
LIKE THIS GUY.”
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WE WEREN'T REALLY APART FOR 21
YEARS AFTER THAT.
>> Cooper: WOW.
>> Anderson: YEAH.
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HE'S MY BEST FRIEND.
♪ A THOUSAND TIMES
YOU'D BETTER HANG ON
♪ TO YOUR EMOTIONS
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HANG ON TO YOUR EMOTIONS ♪
>> Cooper: THEY SHARED BUDDHISM,
TAI CHI, AND BOUNDLESS
CREATIVITY, AND FINALLY GOT
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MARRIED IN 2008.
FIVE YEARS LATER, LOU REED DIED
AFTER A LONG BATTLE WITH LIVER
CANCER.
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YOU WROTE ABOUT HIS DEATH,
"I'VE NEVER SEEN AN EXPRESSION
AS FULL OF WONDER AS LOU'S AS HE
DIED.
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HE WASN'T AFRAID.
I HAD GOTTEN TO WALK WITH HIM TO
THE END OF THE WORLD.
LIFE, SO BEAUTIFUL, PAINFUL, AND
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DAZZLING, DOES NOT GET BETTER
THAN THAT."
>> Anderson: YEAH, LOU WAS A
PERSON WHO HAD THOUGHT ABOUT
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THIS AND HAD, HAD PREPARED
HIMSELF FOR IT AND, AND WAS 100%
THERE.
>> Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON STILL
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LIVES IN THE APARTMENT THEY
SHARED IN THE WEST VILLAGE, AND
EVERYDAY WALKS HER DOG LITTLE
WILL TO THE STUDIO SHE'S HAD
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SINCE THE 1970s.
WHEN WE DROPPED IN ON HER SHE
WAS REHEARSING WITH CELLIST
RUBIN KODHELI.
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>> Anderson: CAN YOU PLAY?
>> Cooper: IT'S AN OPERA SHE
WROTE ABOUT AMELIA EARHART'S
DOOMED ATTEMPT TO CIRCUMNAVIGATE
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THE GLOBE.
>> Anderson: SHE'S ON THIS
CRACKLY RADIO, AND SHE'S GOING,
LIKE, "I CAN SEE YOU, BUT I
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CAN'T HEAR YOU."
AND THEY'RE GOING, "I CAN HEAR
YOU, BUT I CAN'T SEE YOU."
>> Cooper: SHE'S IN PERPETUAL
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MOTION, PLAYING WITH TECHNOLOGY
AND IMAGES, FASCINATED BY
LANGUAGE AND SOUND.
>> Anderson: WHAT WAS REALLY FUN
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ABOUT THIS-- OOP.
>> Cooper: SHE'S WORKING WITH AN
AUSTRALIAN UNIVERSITY ON AN
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PROGRAM
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LOADED WITH EVERYTHING SHE'S
EVER WRITTEN, SAID, OR SUNG.
YOU CAN ASK IT A QUESTION OR
GIVE IT A PHOTOGRAPH, AND THE
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ALGORITHM CREATES AN ORIGINAL
POEM IN THE WORDS AND SPEECH
PATTERN OF LAURIE ANDERSON.
>> Anderson: HALF OF IT IS
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REALLY TERRIBLE POETRY.
A QUARTER OF IT IS KIND OF
INTERESTING, AND A QUARTER OF IT
IS REALLY KIND OF GREAT.
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>> Cooper: TO SEE HOW IT WORKS
WE UPLOADED A PHOTOGRAPH OF MY
NEWBORN SON, SEBASTIAN.
WOW.
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>> Anderson: THE MOUTH, THE EYE,
THE HAND, THE FACE.
THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO, NO PLACE
TO HIDE IT.
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IT'S EVERYWHERE NOW THAT I'M
HERE.
I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S ME.
WHO DID THIS?
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WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?
WHY ARE YOU HERE?
>> Cooper: I'M LIKE, I'M CR--
LIKE CRYING.
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I FIND--
>> Anderson: I KNOW, IT'S--
>> Cooper: THIS REALLY
EMOTIONAL--
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>> Anderson: I KNOW.
SEE, THE THING IS, IT REALLY
SHOWS US MORE THAT HOW MUCH OF
OURSELVES WE PUT INTO LANGUAGE.
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>> Cooper: YEAH.
LAST YEAR, ANDERSON DELIVERED
SIX VIRTUAL LECTURES AS THE
NORTON PROFESSOR OF POETRY AT
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HARVARD.
>> Anderson: YOU KNOW THE BEST
WAY TO SEE THE CITY IS AT NIGHT
FROM THE AIR.
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>> Cooper: FOLLOWING IN THE
FOOTSTEPS OF ROBERT FROST,
LEONARD BERNSTEIN, AND TONI
MORRISON.
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NOT SURPRISINGLY, ANDERSON'S
LECTURES WERE VERY DIFFERENT.
>> Anderson: NEEYAA-- WHOA.
THAT'S IT!
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OH, YOU'RE IN THE CONGO ROOM.
>> Cooper: PERHAPS THE CLOSEST
ANYONE CAN GET INSIDE LAURIE
ANDERSON'S MIND IS THIS VIRTUAL
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REALITY WORLD SHE CREATED WITH A
COLLABORATOR IN TAIWAN.
>> Anderson: IT'S A WORLD THAT
LOOKS SPATIAL, BUT IT'S MADE OF
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WORDS AND DRAWINGS.
IT FEELS AS THOUGH YOU'RE FLYING
INSIDE A WORK OF ART.
>> Cooper: YOU'VE BEEN WORKING
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WITH TECHNOLOGY FOR 40 YEARS
NOW.
DOES IT STILL FASCINATE YOU?
>> Anderson: YEAH.
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IT-- IT DOES.
I-- I'M STILL A GEEK, YOU KNOW?
I LIKE IT.
I DON'T THINK I WORSHIP IT.
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>> Cooper: IT'S NOT THE SAVIOR
THAT SOME HOPE?
>> Anderson: OH, NO.
NO.
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NO.
AND THIS WAS SAID TO ME BY A
CRYPTOLOGIST: "IF YOU THINK
TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO SOLVE
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YOUR PROBLEMS, YOU DON'T
UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY AND YOU
DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEMS."
AND I LIKED THAT VERY MUCH
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BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST
GO, "OH, YEAH.
THAT'S GONNA FIX IT."
REALLY?
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>> Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON'S
LARGEST-EVER U.S. EXHIBITION IS
CURRENTLY ON DISPLAY AT THE
SMITHSONIAN'S HIRSHHORN MUSEUM
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ON THE NATIONAL MALL IN
WASHINGTON, D.C.
IT'S AN ODYSSEY THROUGH HER
SINGULAR CREATIVE LIFE.
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THIS SEEMS VERY OMINOUS TO ME.
>> Anderson: GOOD.
THERE'S SO MUCH FLAG WAVING
THESE DAYS, AND IT BECOMES QUITE
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MECHANICAL IN SOME WAYS AND I
GUESS I'M-- TERRIFIED OF THE
RISE OF FASCISM AROUND THE
WORLD, FRANKLY.
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>> Cooper: IN ONE ROOM SHE'S
PAINTED WORDS AND IMAGES THAT
SEEM TO EXPLODE ONTO THE WALLS
AND FLOOR.
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IT'S A KIND OF MULTI-DIMENSIONAL
SKETCHBOOK OF HER THOUGHTS,
DREAMS, AND STORIES.
DID YOU MAP THIS OUT BEFORE YOU
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DID IT?
>> Anderson: NO, I SHOULD HAVE.
>> Cooper: NEW IDEAS ARE BUILT
ON OLDER WORKS.
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SHE FIRST CAME UP WITH THIS
CONCEPT IN THE 1970s.
>> Anderson: THIS IS CALLED
"CITIZENS."
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>> Cooper: I'VE NEVER SEEN
ANYTHING LIKE THIS.
MINIATURE CLAY FIGURES WITH
VIDEO OF PEOPLE PROJECTED ONTO
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THEM.
AND I FEEL LIKE THEY ALL WANT TO
KILL ME.
>> Anderson: THIS ONE DOES.
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>> Cooper: THEY'RE ALL
SHARPENING KNIVES.
>> Anderson: BECAUSE I THINK
IT'S, LIKE, PEOPLE LIKE ELVES,
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RIGHT, YOU KNOW?
>> Cooper: UH-HUH.
>> Anderson: AND FAIRIES.
>> Cooper: YEAH.
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>> Anderson: SO, I THINK THAT'S,
FOR ME, IS THE FASCINATION OF--
>> Cooper: THESE ARE SOME BADASS
FAIRIES.
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FROM MINIATURES TO MONUMENTS.
>> Mohammed El Gharani: WE
DIDN'T SEE THE SUN; WE DIDN'T
SEE THE FRESH AIR FOR WEEKS.
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>> Cooper: IN ANOTHER ROOM,
ANOTHER STORY.
THIS ONE TOLD BY A GIANT VIDEO
PROJECTION OF MOHAMMAD EL
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GHARANI, HELD FOR SEVEN YEARS IN
GUANTANAMO AS A TEENAGER WITHOUT
CHARGE, UNTIL A JUDGE RELEASED
HIM.
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>> Anderson: FOR ME, I GAVE THIS
PERSON A MEGAPHONE TO SAY, "IT'S
YOUR TURN.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY?"
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THIS IS NOT ABOUT MY OPINIONS OF
WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
THIS IS MOHAMMED EL GHARANI'S
STORY.
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>> Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON IS 74
NOW, AND STILL CONJURING UP NEW
STORIES, AND NEW WAYS TO TELL
THEM.
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>> Anderson: I'M NOT AN ARTIST
TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER
PLACE.
THIS IS NOT MY GOAL, YOU KNOW,
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AT ALL, EXCEPT LIKE SECRETLY.
>> Cooper: JUST, VERY QUIETLY,
THAT'S YOUR GOAL.
>> Anderson: QUIETLY.
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BECAUSE I REALLY LOVE BEAUTIFUL
THINGS.
BECAUSE IT'S THRILLING TO, TO
PUT YOUR MIND SOMEWHERE ELSE AND
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BE SOMEWHERE THAT YOU COULD
NEVER HAVE IMAGINED.
AND THEN SUDDENLY YOU'RE
IMAGINING IT.
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AND THEN YOU'RE THERE.
IT'S MAGIC.
( TICKING )
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>> Cooper: NOW, AN UPDATE ON OUR
STORY FROM THIS PAST NOVEMBER
ABOUT HAZING.
SAM MARTINEZ, A 19-YEAR-OLD
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FRESHMAN AT WASHINGTON STATE
UNIVERSITY, DIED OF ACUTE
ALCOHOL POISONING WHILE PLEDGING
THE ALPHA TAU OMEGA FRATERNITY.
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HIS PARENTS, HECTOR MARTINEZ AND
JOLAYNE HOUTZ TOLD US THE
NATIONAL FRATERNITY HID THE
LOCAL CHAPTER'S HAZING HISTORY
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AND HINDERED THE INVESTIGATION
OF SAM'S DEATH.
>> IF WE HAD KNOWN EVEN A
FRACTION OF WHAT WE KNOW NOW,
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SAM NEVER WOULD'VE WANTED TO
JOIN THAT FRATERNITY.
>> Cooper: HIS PARENTS BEGAN A
CAMPAIGN TO TOUGHEN WASHINGTON'S
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HAZING LAWS AND TO DISCLOSE
FRATERNITIES' DISCIPLINARY
RECORDS.“
SAM'S LAW,” WAS SIGNED BY
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GOVERNOR JAY INSLEE ON
WEDNESDAY.
I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH
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ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."