1 00:00:01,067 --> 00:00:14,414 and FORD. We go further, so you can. >> HOW FREQUENTLY ARE THESE ATTACKS ON MEDICAL 2 00:00:14,481 --> 00:00:19,285 INFRASTRUCTURE HAPPENING? >> DAILY. AND THAT'S WORRISOME. >> IN FACT, ATTACKING HEALTH 3 00:00:19,352 --> 00:00:26,092 CARE WORKERS AND HEALTH CARE FACILITIES IS LITERALLY THE ORIGINAL WAR CRIME... >> YES. 4 00:00:26,159 --> 00:00:32,966 >> ...FROM THE GENEVA CONVENTION IN 1864. IN 1864. >> EXACTLY. 5 00:00:33,032 --> 00:00:41,908 >> THIS IS A HOSPITAL IN MYKOLAIV, ANOTHER HOSPITAL IN MARIUPOL, THE LUHANSK CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, A HOSPITAL IN 6 00:00:41,975 --> 00:00:49,616 VOLNOVAKHA, AND THE MATERNITY HOSPITAL IN MARIUPOL. ( TICKING ) ♪ ♪ ♪ 7 00:00:49,682 --> 00:00:54,320 >> WHY DO SO MANY RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS LIVE IN THE UNITED KINGDOM? WE TRAVELED TO LONDON, OR 8 00:00:54,387 --> 00:01:03,329 LONDONGRAD AS IT'S SOMETIMES CALLED, TO FIND OUT. WAS THIS ALL A STRATEGY FOR THE OLIGARCHS TO BUILD INFLUENCE 9 00:01:03,396 --> 00:01:10,236 HERE IN THE U.K? >> I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT IN SOME CASES IT WAS. 10 00:01:10,303 --> 00:01:11,404 ( TICKING ) 11 00:01:12,038 --> 00:01:19,345 >> THESE ARE BEAUTIFUL. LAURIE ANDERSON'S LARGEST-EVER U.S. EXHIBITION IS CURRENTLY ON DISPLAY AT THE SMITHSONIAN'S 12 00:01:19,412 --> 00:01:25,652 HIRSHHORN MUSEUM ON THE NATIONAL MALL IN WASHINGTON, D.C. IT'S AN ODYSSEY THROUGH HER SINGULAR CREATIVE LIFE. 13 00:01:25,718 --> 00:01:31,324 THIS SEEMS VERY OMINOUS TO ME. >> GOOD. >> WOW! IN ONE ROOM SHE'S PAINTED WORDS 14 00:01:31,391 --> 00:01:39,332 AND IMAGES THAT SEEM TO EXPLODE ONTO THE WALLS AND FLOOR. IT'S A KIND OF MULTI-DIMENSIONAL SKETCHBOOK OF HER THOUGHTS, 15 00:01:39,399 --> 00:01:42,035 DREAMS, AND STORIES. ♪ ♪ ♪ 16 00:01:45,872 --> 00:01:49,976 >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. 17 00:01:50,043 --> 00:02:02,255 >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE, TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 18 00:02:05,058 --> 00:02:12,999 >> Pelley: TONIGHT, THE RUSSIAN ARMY HAS ABANDONED ITS ATTEMPT TO TAKE UKRAINE'S CAPITAL CITY. KYIV IS STILL UNDER AIR ASSAULT 19 00:02:13,066 --> 00:02:21,007 BUT RUSSIAN GROUND TROOPS ARE RETREATING FROM THE SUBURBS AFTER SUFFERING GRIEVOUS LOSSES. NEW IMAGES OF LIBERATED 20 00:02:21,074 --> 00:02:28,982 NEIGHBORHOODS ARE SCENES OF RUIN WITH EVIDENCE OF MANY CIVILIAN DEATHS. A PENTAGON SOURCE TELLS US THE 21 00:02:29,048 --> 00:02:37,624 GREATEST BATTLE NOW IS FOR THE COASTAL CITY OF MARIUPOL. MORE THAN 100,000 CIVILIANS ARE TRAPPED THERE. 22 00:02:37,690 --> 00:02:48,701 ALSO, RUSSIAN MISSILES HAVE EXPLODED IN THE MAJOR PORT CITY OF ODESSA. RUSSIA EXPECTED UKRAINE TO FALL 23 00:02:48,768 --> 00:02:55,642 IN A MATTER OF DAYS. BUT NOW, AFTER SIX WEEKS, THE RUSSIAN MILITARY HAS FAILED TO SEIZE EVEN ONE OF ITS STRATEGIC 24 00:02:55,708 --> 00:03:05,051 OBJECTIVES. EIGHT DAYS AGO, RUSSIAN MISSILES EXPLODED IN LVIV, THE WESTERN UKRAINIAN CITY NEAREST TO POLAND 25 00:03:05,118 --> 00:03:13,059 AND NATO. THE ATTACK WAS PERHAPS A MESSAGE TO PRESIDENT BIDEN, WHO WAS SPEAKING IN POLAND THAT SAME 26 00:03:13,126 --> 00:03:23,736 HOUR. THE NAME LVIV MEANS "CITY OF LIONS." AND THIS PAST WEEK, WE TRAVELED 27 00:03:23,803 --> 00:03:31,711 THERE TO FIND A DEFIANT PEOPLE BRAVING AIR STRIKES, RUSHING IN MEDICAL SUPPLIES, AND SHELTERING THE INNOCENT. 28 00:03:31,778 --> 00:03:41,054 THIS IS THE ATTACK ON LVIV. MARCH 26, AS UKRAINE FOUGHT THIS INFERNO, MR. BIDEN CAME TO THE END OF A PRECISELY CRAFTED 29 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:49,028 SPEECH, THEN ADLIBBED HIS DISGUST FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN. >> President Biden: FOR GOD'S SAKE, THIS MAN CANNOT REMAIN IN 30 00:03:49,095 --> 00:03:55,735 POWER. >> Pelley: AMONG DIPLOMATS, IT WAS HERESY. BUT IN THE BOMB SHELTERS OF 31 00:03:55,802 --> 00:04:05,144 LVIV, IT WAS A PRAYER. THE REGION, CENTERED ON THIS NEARLY 800-YEAR-OLD CITY, HAS BARRICADED ITS MONUMENTS AND 32 00:04:05,211 --> 00:04:11,884 OPENED ITS HEART WITH SHELTER FOR HALF A MILLION HOMELESS UKRAINIANS. ( LARYSA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN ) 33 00:04:11,951 --> 00:04:19,792 "WE WANT TO GO HOME. WE WANT TO GO HOME NOW. BUT THEY'RE SHOOTING THERE." LARYSA, HER SON, AND DAUGHTER 34 00:04:19,859 --> 00:04:25,965 FLED THE CITY OF KHARKIV ON A 19-HOUR TRAIN WITH NO FOOD OR WATER. ( LARYSA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN ) 35 00:04:26,032 --> 00:04:32,538 "BOMBING, BOMBING, BOMBING, SHE TOLD US. BOMBING, DAY AND NIGHT." ( LARYSA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN ) 36 00:04:32,605 --> 00:04:41,114 "IT'S LIKE ARMAGEDDON," SHE SAID. >> Pelley: TEN MILLION UKRAINIANS HAVE FLED ARMAGEDDON- 37 00:04:41,180 --> 00:04:49,122 - FOUR MILLION OUT OF THE COUNTRY, SIX MILLION COMPRESSED INTO UKRAINIAN CITIES. IN "THE CITY OF LIONS," YOU CAN 38 00:04:49,188 --> 00:04:57,130 SPOT THE EVACUATION SHELTERS BY THE CARGO PALLETS OUTSIDE. THEY'RE FOUNDATIONS FOR NEW HOMES. 39 00:04:57,196 --> 00:05:07,640 THIS IS A BASKETBALL COURT, BLANKETED IN DONATED BEDDING. THE HOMELESS, WRAPPED IN COMPASSION, REST ON THE LATTICE 40 00:05:07,707 --> 00:05:16,149 OF THE WOODEN PALLETS. THE ONLY PLACE THEY HAVE IN THE WORLD MEASURES TEN FEET BY THREE AND-A-HALF. 41 00:05:16,215 --> 00:05:25,191 THE SHELTERS ARE DANK, WITH THE FAINT, ACRID SMELL OF TOO MANY PEOPLE IN TOO SMALL A SPACE. THE RULES ARE IMPLIED-- 42 00:05:25,258 --> 00:05:32,165 KEEP QUIET, MIND YOUR PALLET, DO NOT SHOW FEAR TO THE CHILDREN. FOOD AND MEDICINE ARE IN SHORT 43 00:05:32,231 --> 00:05:43,843 SUPPLY. THEIR ONLY WEALTH IS TIME-- ENDLESS HOURS OF WORRY BROKEN ONLY BY THE SIGHT OF A NEW 44 00:05:43,910 --> 00:06:03,229 ARRIVAL OR THE WAIL OF A SIREN. ( SIREN WAILING ) AIR RAID WARNINGS BREAK UP THE DAY AND SEND UKRAINIANS TAPPING 45 00:06:03,296 --> 00:06:09,268 FOR A NEW APP THEY CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT. CALLED "AIR ALARM," IT SETS OFF THE PHONE IN AN AIR RAID AND 46 00:06:09,335 --> 00:06:19,912 PINPOINTS WHERE THE BOMBS ARE FALLING. ON THIS EVACUATION, WE RAN INTO IRYNA, A WOMAN WHO'D HEARD ONE 47 00:06:19,979 --> 00:06:28,788 SIREN TOO MANY. ( IRYNA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN ) "WHY? WHY ARE THEY WREAKING THIS 48 00:06:28,855 --> 00:06:36,129 DESTRUCTION? WHAT DID WE DO TO THEM?" SHE SAID OF THE RUSSIANS. ( IRYNA SPEAKING UKRAINIAN ) 49 00:06:36,195 --> 00:06:45,304 "WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN AT A CURB AND YOU SEE A LITTLE CHILD LYING THERE, DEAD, WHAT DID SHE DO? HUNDREDS OF OUR LITTLE CHILDREN 50 00:06:45,371 --> 00:06:55,915 ARE BEING KILLED-- LITTLE CHILDREN, DO YOU SEE?" WE DID SEE, IN AN IMAGE FROM THE CITY OF MARIUPOL. 51 00:06:55,982 --> 00:07:05,324 A BLOOD-STAINED BABY BLANKET WRAPPED AN 18-MONTH-OLD BOY. THE MOTHER FOLLOWS HER PARTNER INTO A HOSPITAL. 52 00:07:05,391 --> 00:07:13,633 HER CHILD, NAMED KIRILL, DID NOT SURVIVE. WE WANT TO WARN YOU THAT WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE OF THIS 53 00:07:13,699 --> 00:07:21,407 FAMILY IS HARD TO WATCH, BUT THIS IS RUSSIA'S WAR ON CIVILIANS IN UKRAINE. 54 00:07:36,689 --> 00:07:43,996 THE CASUALTIES INCLUDE THE HOSPITALS THEMSELVES. RUSSIA TARGETS THEM IN A CRIMINAL CAMPAIGN. 55 00:07:44,063 --> 00:07:56,008 THIS IS A HOSPITAL IN MYKOLAIV, ANOTHER HOSPITAL IN MARIUPOL, THE LUHANSK CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL, A HOSPITAL IN VOLNOVAKHA, AND 56 00:07:56,075 --> 00:08:01,380 THE MATERNITY HOSPITAL IN MARIUPOL. >> Dr. Jarno Habicht: WE HAVE SEEN, AS OF TODAY, 72 ATTACKS ON 57 00:08:01,447 --> 00:08:12,225 HEALTH. >> Pelley: DR. JARNO HABICHT TOTALS THE ATROCITIES AS THE HEAD OF THE U.N.'S WORLD HEALTH 58 00:08:12,291 --> 00:08:17,063 ORGANIZATION IN UKRAINE. >> Habicht: MANY DOCTORS IN THE HOSPITALS ARE ALSO UNDER ATTACK. AND IT'S NOT ONLY HOSPITALS. 59 00:08:17,129 --> 00:08:21,767 IT COULD BE HOSPITALS. IT COULD BE THE PRIMARY CARE CENTERS. WE HAVE SEEN MANY ATTACKS TO THE 60 00:08:21,834 --> 00:08:32,078 AMBULANCES. WE HAVE 71 DEATHS AND A NUMBER OF INJURIES ALSO THROUGH THOSE ATTACKS. 61 00:08:32,144 --> 00:08:36,582 >> Pelley: 71 DEAD? THOSE INCLUDE HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS AND THEIR PATIENTS? 62 00:08:36,649 --> 00:08:42,889 >> Habicht: THESE ARE THE HEALTH CARE WORKERS, PATIENTS, THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE FACILITIES. >> Pelley: HOW FREQUENTLY ARE 63 00:08:42,955 --> 00:08:49,495 THESE ATTACKS ON MEDICAL INFRASTRUCTURE HAPPENING? >> Habicht: DAILY. AND THAT'S WORRISOME. 64 00:08:49,562 --> 00:08:56,068 > Pelley: IN FACT, ATTACKING HEALTH CARE WORKERS AND HEALTH CARE FACILITIES IS LITERALLY THE ORIGINAL WAR CRIME... 65 00:08:56,135 --> 00:09:02,141 >> Habicht: YES. >> Pelley: ...FROM THE GENEVA CONVENTION IN 1864. >> Habicht: EXACTLY. 66 00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:13,452 >> Pelley: WHEN A HOSPITAL IS ATTACKED, WHAT IS LOST? >> Habicht: YOU LOSE HOPE, BECAUSE MANY PEOPLE GO TO 67 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:20,126 HOSPITAL BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET THE CARE, AND WHEN HOSPITALS ARE ATTACKED, YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE PLACES WHERE YOU CAN 68 00:09:20,192 --> 00:09:25,464 ACTUALLY GET HEALED AND BE TREATED. >> Pelley: AND THAT IS THE LOSS OF HOPE? 69 00:09:25,531 --> 00:09:33,472 >> abicht: YES. >> Pelley: IN UKRAINE TODAY, HOPE MUST BE IMPORTED. WE FOUND IT IN AN ABANDONED 70 00:09:33,539 --> 00:09:40,379 FACTORY WHERE AN AMERICAN CHARITY, THE INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL CORPS, IS DISTRIBUTING MEDICAL SUPPLIES. 71 00:09:40,446 --> 00:09:47,453 >> Dr. John Roberts: EVERYTHING IS BROKEN DOWN EXACTLY HOW YOU'D SEE IT, YOU KNOW, IN A PHARMACY. FOR INSTANCE, AMOXICILLIN, AN 72 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:53,759 ANTIBIOTIC THAT'S REALLY, REALLY USEFUL. >> Pelley: THE I.M.C.'S DR. JOHN ROBERTS TOLD US THESE BOXES HOLD 73 00:09:53,826 --> 00:10:01,467 EMERGENCY SUPPLIES CALLED AN "I.H.K." OR INTERAGENCY HEALTH KIT. AND THIS WOULD TREAT HOW MANY 74 00:10:01,534 --> 00:10:08,140 PATIENTS FOR HOW LONG? >> Roberts: SO THE I.H.K. AS A TOTAL KIT CAN TREAT 10,000 PEOPLE FOR THREE MONTHS. 75 00:10:08,207 --> 00:10:16,415 WE HAVE BROUGHT IN TONS, AND TONS, AND TONS OF MEDICAL SUPPLIES, SURGICAL EQUIPMENT, MEDICATIONS, BANDAGES, 76 00:10:16,482 --> 00:10:21,854 EVERYTHING THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO NOT ONLY DO PRIMARY HEALTH CARE, BUT ALSO TO DO SURGERY, TO BIRTH BABIES, TO TAKE CARE OF 77 00:10:21,921 --> 00:10:26,125 PREGNANT WOMEN. >> Pelley: WITH A COUNTRY AT WAR, HOW ARE THE NEEDS DIFFERENT? 78 00:10:26,192 --> 00:10:33,466 >> Roberts: PEOPLE THINK "WAR," THEY THINK IT'S ALL GUNSHOT WOUNDS AND BOMBS. BUT WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE 79 00:10:33,532 --> 00:10:39,138 HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THERE, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S NOT NORMALLY A PROBLEM ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOMES A PROBLEM. 80 00:10:39,205 --> 00:10:44,377 SO, FOR INSTANCE, SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS BLOOD PRESSURE MEDICATION, OR MEDICATION FOR HEART FAILURE, OR DIABETES, 81 00:10:44,443 --> 00:10:56,455 GETTING YOUR INSULIN, THAT GOES AWAY. >> Pelley: IN THE WAREHOUSE, WE MET TWO INTERNATIONAL MEDICAL 82 00:10:56,522 --> 00:11:01,627 CORPS CO-WORKERS WHO RECENTLY FLED THIS. THESE ARE BURNED-OUT APARTMENT BUILDINGS IN MARIUPOL. 83 00:11:01,694 --> 00:11:12,104 THE RUSSIANS COULDN'T SEIZE THIS SOUTHERN PORT CITY, SO THEY BOMBED THE 450,000 RESIDENTS BACK TO THE MIDDLE AGES. 84 00:11:12,171 --> 00:11:17,543 VIOLETTA VOLOSHKINA AND OLEKSANDR LAPAIEV ESCAPED WITH THE TRUTH. ( OLEKSANDR LAPAIEV SPEAKING 85 00:11:17,610 --> 00:11:23,816 UKRAINIAN AND RUSSIAN ) "SUDDENLY THERE WAS NO GAS AT THE GAS STATIONS," HE TOLD US. "SO, WE COULDN'T GO ANYWHERE. 86 00:11:23,883 --> 00:11:30,156 THEN, FOOD STARTED DISAPPEARING FROM THE STORES. AND REAL HELL BROKE LOOSE-- POWER WAS OUT, WE COULDN'T 87 00:11:30,222 --> 00:11:37,196 CHARGE OUR PHONES, THE HEAT WAS GONE. THE WORST THING WAS THE EXPLOSIONS GETTING CLOSER. 88 00:11:37,263 --> 00:11:44,203 THE SCHOOL WAS BURNING, SOME SHOPS WERE ON FIRE. NEXT TO OUR APARTMENT BUILDING THERE WAS AN ABANDONED HOME. 89 00:11:44,270 --> 00:11:53,546 AND THAT BUILDING REALLY SAVED US, BECAUSE WE COULD GO THERE, BREAK THE DOOR FRAMES AND WINDOW FRAMES, AND USE THAT TO START 90 00:11:53,612 --> 00:11:59,852 FIRES." WHAT HAPPENED TO THE PEOPLE YOU WERE WITH, IN THE BOMB SHELTER? ( OLEKSANDR LAPAIEV SPEAKING 91 00:11:59,919 --> 00:12:05,524 UKRAINIAN AND RUSSIAN ) "THERE WERE ABOUT 50 OF US IN THE BASEMENT-- NO ROOM TO LIE DOWN, MYSELF WITH MY WIFE AND 92 00:12:05,591 --> 00:12:12,264 DAUGHTER. THERE WAS NO BATHROOM, NO WATER, NO LIGHT. ONE ELDERLY LADY SUFFERED FOR 93 00:12:12,331 --> 00:12:17,603 TWO DAYS, SHE SHOUTED, SHE MOANED. AND IMAGINE, IT'S 11:00 AT NIGHT, IT'S DARK, AND SHE PASSES 94 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:28,347 AWAY." HE TOLD US FOUR DAYS LATER THEY ESCAPED THE BASEMENT. THE BODY OF THE ELDERLY WOMAN 95 00:12:28,414 --> 00:12:32,852 WAS STILL BY THE DOOR. ( VIOLETTA VOLOSHKINA SPEAKING RUSSIAN ) "WHEN WE WERE IN THE BASEMENT," 96 00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:41,093 VIOLETTA TOLD US, "WE THOUGHT THAT ONLY OUR PLACE WAS BEING SHELLED, BECAUSE PLANES WERE FLYING OVER US AND DROPPING 97 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:49,368 BOMBS. WHEN WE LEFT THE CITY, WE SAW THE WHOLE CITY WAS DESTROYED." YOU GAVE US A PICTURE OF THE 98 00:12:49,435 --> 00:12:53,606 BASEMENT SHELTER YOU WERE IN. WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? ( VIOLETTA VOLOSHKINA SPEAKING RUSSIAN ) 99 00:12:53,672 --> 00:13:00,279 "WE HAD TO COOK ON A FIRE. WE DIDN'T WASH FOR TWO WEEKS BECAUSE THE WATER WAS ONLY FOR DRINKING. 100 00:13:00,346 --> 00:13:05,651 WE COLLECTED BRANCHES, MADE A FIRE AND ALL COOKED TOGETHER. ALL THE PEOPLE BROUGHT EVERYTHING THEY HAD. 101 00:13:05,718 --> 00:13:13,659 NATURALLY, WE COOKED ALL THE MEAT FIRST BECAUSE IT WOULD SPOIL." YOUR DAUGHTER TURNED 17 YEARS 102 00:13:13,726 --> 00:13:20,332 OLD DURING THIS INVASION AND I WONDER IF YOU THINK SHE HAS A FUTURE IN UKRAINE? ( OLEKSANDR LAPAIEV SPEAKING 103 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:26,338 UKRAINIAN AND RUSSIAN ) "EVERYTHING I OWN FITS IN A SINGLE SUITCASE," OLEKSANDER TOLD US. 104 00:13:26,405 --> 00:13:36,682 "I DON'T KNOW, HONESTLY, HOW A CHILD IS SUPPOSED TO CARRY ON." THE RUSSIANS CLAIM THEY ARE LIBERATING THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE. 105 00:13:36,749 --> 00:13:42,054 ( VIOLETTA VOLOSHKINA SPEAKING RUSSIAN ) "WE DIDN'T ASK ANYONE TO LIBERATE US. 106 00:13:42,121 --> 00:13:49,662 WE LIVED PEACEFULLY IN OUR CITY. WE LIVED OUR LIVES. WE WENT TO WORK, AND EVERYTHING WAS FINE, WE HAD A HAPPY LIFE. 107 00:13:49,728 --> 00:14:05,277 SOMEONE STARTED A WAR, AND SOMEONE RUINED OUR LIVES." LVIV HAS KNOWN MANY INVASIONS OVER EIGHT CENTURIES. 108 00:14:05,344 --> 00:14:13,719 HERE, JUST GOING ABOUT THE DAY IS AN ACT OF DEFIANCE. ON THE COFFEE SHOP DOOR, WE COULDN'T HELP BUT NOTICE THE 109 00:14:13,786 --> 00:14:21,727 SIGN THAT KEEPS A DAILY TALLY OF RUSSIAN SOLDIERS KILLED AND PLANES AND TANKS AND SHIPS DESTROYED. 110 00:14:21,794 --> 00:14:29,735 THE NUMBERS ARE FROTHY BUT, INSIDE, WHERE I.D.S ARE CHECKED TO KEEP RUSSIANS OUT, THEY'RE SERVING UP COURAGE. 111 00:14:29,802 --> 00:14:33,739 >> Roberts: CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW YOU'RE FEELING AND THE PROBLEMS YOU ARE HAVING? 112 00:14:33,806 --> 00:14:40,145 >> Pelley: IN THE SHELTERS, DR. JOHN ROBERTS IS LOOKING AT THE LONG HAUL, COUNTING UP THE SHORTAGES. 113 00:14:40,212 --> 00:14:44,383 >> Roberts: WE TRY AND FORMULATE EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED, AND FILL THAT NEED IN THE BEST WAY POSSIBLE. 114 00:14:44,450 --> 00:14:49,622 SO WE BRING IN TONS OF MEDICATIONS... ( AIR RAID SIREN BLARES ) >> Pelley: YOU KNOW, I THINK 115 00:14:49,688 --> 00:14:56,395 THAT'S THE AIR RAID SIREN. >> Roberts: YES, IT IS. >> Pelley: ONCE AGAIN, LVIV TOOK COVER. 116 00:14:56,462 --> 00:15:08,474 DURING OUR VISIT, THE UNITED NATIONS APPOINTED A COMMISSION TO INVESTIGATE WAR CRIMES. THAT WILL BE FOR THE FUTURE. 117 00:15:08,540 --> 00:15:17,850 FOR NOW, IN THE SHELTERS OF "THE CITY OF LIONS," THEY PRAY THEIR LIGHT ENDURES THE DARKNESS. 118 00:15:20,519 --> 00:15:29,795 >> SEE HOW THE "60 MINUTES" TEAM REPORTED FROM INSIDE UKRAINE, AT 60minutesovertime.com. SPONSORED BY COLOGUARD. 119 00:15:29,862 --> 00:15:36,268 ( TICKING ) 120 00:15:38,003 --> 00:15:44,710 >> Bill Whitaker: AS RUSSIAN TROOPS LAY WASTE TO UKRAINIAN CITIES, THE WEST HAS TRIED TO PUNISH PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN 121 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:53,952 BY CHOKING OFF THE FINANCES OF HIS CLOSEST ALLIES, MEGA-RICH OLIGARCHS WHO HAVE LIVED ABROAD IN LUXURY FOR DECADES. 122 00:15:54,019 --> 00:16:01,827 AND WHILE EUROPE HAS SEIZED MANSIONS AND SUPER-YACHTS, AND THE U.S. HAS FROZEN BANK ACCOUNTS AND BANNED TRAVEL, THE 123 00:16:01,894 --> 00:16:08,667 U.K. IS LAGGING BEHIND. FOR YEARS, BRITAIN ACTIVELY COURTED RUSSIAN BILLIONAIRES, IGNORING REPORTS THAT SOME OF 124 00:16:08,734 --> 00:16:17,743 THEIR WEALTH WAS SUSPECT. TODAY, THERE'S SO MUCH RUSSIAN CASH IN BRITAIN, THE CAPITAL HAS BEEN NICKNAMED “LONDONGRAD.” 125 00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:24,416 BRITISH INTELLIGENCE HAS WARNED THAT OLIGARCHS' MONEY IS PROPPING UP PUTIN'S REGIME, AND HELPING TO FUND THE WAR IN 126 00:16:24,483 --> 00:16:30,022 UKRAINE. NOW, THE U.K. IS UNDER PRESSURE TO SHOW ITS WESTERN ALLIES IT CAN STOP THE FLOOD OF CORRUPT 127 00:16:30,089 --> 00:16:37,696 MONEY. >> Dominic Grieve: MONEY HAS BEEN FLOWING INTO THE UNITED KINGDOM, ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT 128 00:16:37,763 --> 00:16:42,000 ABOUT THIS, WHICH OFTEN HAS HAD WHAT I CAN ONLY DESCRIBE AS A TAINTED SOURCE. BUT THEN, RUSSIA IS A MAFIA 129 00:16:42,067 --> 00:16:48,907 STATE. >> Whitaker: DOMINIC GRIEVE IS A FORMER CONSERVATIVE MEMBER OF PARLIAMENT, WHO SERVED AS 130 00:16:48,974 --> 00:16:54,580 ATTORNEY GENERAL AND CHAIRED BRITAIN'S INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. HIS 2019 REPORT ON RUSSIAN 131 00:16:54,646 --> 00:17:04,857 INTERFERENCE IN U.K. POLITICS, FOUND BRITAIN WAS AWASH IN RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS' MONEY, MUCH OF IT FROM UNTRACEABLE SOURCES. 132 00:17:04,923 --> 00:17:09,428 >> Grieve: SO, ONE HAS TO FACE UP TO THE FACT THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE IN RUSSIA OR DO BUSINESS IN RUSSIA, YOU HAVE TO 133 00:17:09,495 --> 00:17:14,733 DANCE TO THE TUNE OF THE MAFIA BOSS. AND THE MAFIA BOSS IS PRESIDENT PUTIN. 134 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:21,073 >> Whitaker: YOU DON'T BECOME AN OLIGARCH, YOU DON'T BECOME A WEALTHY BUSINESSMAN IN RUSSIA WITHOUT DANCING TO THE TUNE OF 135 00:17:21,140 --> 00:17:28,680 PUTIN? >> Grieve: A LOT OF RUSSIAN BUSINESSMEN HAVE VERY CLOSE LINKS TO THE KREMLIN. 136 00:17:28,747 --> 00:17:36,221 OTHERS DON'T. BUT AS LONG AS YOU HAVE A CONNECTION TO RUSSIA, THEN THE RISK IS THAT IF YOU DON'T 137 00:17:36,288 --> 00:17:43,695 CONFORM TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RUSSIAN STATE YOU WILL COME UNSTUCK. >> Whitaker: SINCE THE COLLAPSE 138 00:17:43,762 --> 00:17:50,536 OF THE SOVIET UNION, THE UNITED KINGDOM HAS WELCOMED THE OLIGARCHS WITH FEW QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT THEIR FORTUNES. 139 00:17:50,602 --> 00:17:58,076 INSTEAD, A TWO-MILLION-POUND INVESTMENT GOT SPECIAL VISAS AND A FAST TRACK TO CITIZENSHIP FOR HUNDREDS OF OLIGARCHS. 140 00:17:58,143 --> 00:18:06,151 BILLIONS OF POUNDS POURED IN, AND RUSSIAN TYCOONS WENT ON A BUYING SPREE. ANDREY GURYEV, AN OIL 141 00:18:06,218 --> 00:18:14,927 BILLIONAIRE, BOUGHT WITANHURST. IN LONDON, ONLY BUCKINGHAM PALACE IS LARGER. ROMAN ABRAMOVICH PURCHASED THE 142 00:18:14,993 --> 00:18:22,134 CHAMPION CHELSEA SOCCER CLUB. THERE WAS SO MUCH MONEY, DOMINIC GRIEVE SAYS, IT WAS HARD TO TELL LEGITIMATE INVESTORS FROM 143 00:18:22,201 --> 00:18:32,511 CROOKED ONES. THE 2019 REPORT FOUND IT WAS SO EASY TO WASH DIRTY CASH IN BRITAIN, THE VISA PROGRAM WAS 144 00:18:32,578 --> 00:18:38,917 KNOWN AS THE LAUNDROMAT. IT SOUNDS QUITE ALARMING, WHAT YOU FOUND IN THIS REPORT. >> Grieve: EVERYBODY ON IT WAS 145 00:18:38,984 --> 00:18:48,460 IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT THAT THE UNITED KINGDOM WAS IN DANGER OF BEING COMPLACENT ABOUT THE THREAT THAT RUSSIA POSED IN THE 146 00:18:48,527 --> 00:18:54,900 ROUND, ONE ASPECT OF WHICH WAS THE FACT THAT WE HAD OPENED THE DOOR TO ALLOWING LARGE QUANTITIES OF RUSSIAN MONEY TO 147 00:18:54,967 --> 00:19:02,708 COME INTO OUR COUNTRY AND TO BE INVESTED HERE. >> Whitaker: WAS THIS ALL A STRATEGY FOR THE OLIGARCHS TO, 148 00:19:02,774 --> 00:19:08,881 SORT OF, BUILD INFLUENCE HERE IN THE U.K.? >> Grieve: I THINK THE EVIDENCE IS PRETTY CLEAR THAT IN SOME 149 00:19:08,947 --> 00:19:18,457 CASES IT WAS. IT'S A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE INFLUENCE IS BEING USED TO TRY TO SOFTEN UP THE RESPONSES OF 150 00:19:18,524 --> 00:19:26,198 WESTERN DEMOCRACIES TOWARDS THE ACTIONS OF THE RUSSIAN STATE. >> Whitaker: THE OLIGARCHS MAY LIVE ABROAD IN SPLENDOR BUT 151 00:19:26,265 --> 00:19:37,676 MOST, NOT ALL, OWE THEIR FORTUNES TO VLADIMIR PUTIN. PUTIN CAN MAKE THEM DO PRACTICALLY ANYTHING, SAYS 152 00:19:37,743 --> 00:19:44,883 MIKHAIL KHODORKOVSKY, ONCE THE RICHEST BILLIONAIRE IN RUSSIA, HE'S NOW JUST A MILLIONAIRE IN EXILE IN LONDON. 153 00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:54,192 KHODORKOVSKY TOLD US MANY OF THE OLIGARCHS THRIVE AND SURVIVE AT THE INDULGENCE OF THE KREMLIN. "THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT," HE 154 00:19:54,259 --> 00:20:02,901 TOLD US, "PUTIN WILL GIVE THE ORDER TO RECRUIT MERCENARIES, TRANSFER MONEY, OR SPREAD FAKE NEWS ON SOCIAL MEDIA." 155 00:20:02,968 --> 00:20:10,309 HE TOLD US PUTIN USES OLIGARCH MONEY TO HELP FUND THE WAR IN UKRAINE. AND THE OLIGARCHS, PUTIN'S FOOT 156 00:20:10,375 --> 00:20:20,352 SOLDIERS HE CALLS THEM, SIMPLY COMPLY. "I THINK BECAUSE THEY FEEL A NOOSE AROUND THEIR NECK TIED BY 157 00:20:20,419 --> 00:20:29,061 PUTIN," HE TOLD US. "I CAN ONLY EXPLAIN IT THIS WAY." IN 2003 KHODORKOVSKY, AN OIL 158 00:20:29,127 --> 00:20:37,169 TITAN, DARED TO PUBLICLY CRITICIZE PUTIN. HE WAS ARRESTED AND CHARGED WITH FRAUD. 159 00:20:37,235 --> 00:20:42,207 THE LION OF INDUSTRY WAS TRIED AND CONVICTED IN A COURTROOM CAGE AND SPENT TEN YEARS IN PRISON. 160 00:20:42,274 --> 00:20:54,219 IS THAT WHY MORE PEOPLE DON'T SPEAK OUT AGAINST PUTIN? "YES," HE TOLD US, "PUTIN WANTED TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT NO ONE 161 00:20:54,286 --> 00:21:02,027 WAS ALLOWED TO CRITICIZE HIM. IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT THE KREMLIN WANTS, YOU CAN EASILY BE IMPRISONED." 162 00:21:02,094 --> 00:21:10,369 KHODORKOVSKY TOLD US THE OLIGARCHS' LINKS TO THE KREMLIN SHOULD HAVE SET OFF ALARMS. INSTEAD, THE INFUSION OF MONEY 163 00:21:10,435 --> 00:21:18,276 IGNITED A LONDON REAL ESTATE BOOM. A GOVERNMENT REPORT FOUND ONE OF THE EASIEST WAYS TO TURN DIRTY 164 00:21:18,343 --> 00:21:23,582 MONEY INTO A LEGITIMATE ASSET IS TO BUY A HOUSE. >> Oliver Bullough: INCREDIBLY GRAND STAIRWAYS. 165 00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:30,288 >> Whitaker: OLIVER BULLOUGH WORKED AS A JOURNALIST IN RUSSIA, AND NOW WRITES BOOKS ON FINANCIAL CRIMES. 166 00:21:30,355 --> 00:21:36,128 HE SHOWED US AROUND TO EXPLAIN HOW THE LAUNDROMAT WORKS. THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF CHOICE FOR THE RUSSIAN 167 00:21:36,194 --> 00:21:42,868 OLIGARCHS? THIS IS BELGRAVIA. THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND EATON SQUARE ARE SOME OF THE MOST 168 00:21:42,934 --> 00:21:49,541 EXPENSIVE ON EARTH, ONCE THE EXCLUSIVE PRESERVE OF DUKES AND BARONS, NOW... >> Bullough: THERE IS THIS 169 00:21:49,608 --> 00:21:54,179 NICKNAME FOR EATON SQUARE. IT'S CALLED "RED SQUARE" BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY RUSSIANS. I MEAN, IT'S A SLIGHTLY IRONIC 170 00:21:54,246 --> 00:22:01,853 NICKNAME, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE RED SQUARE IS, YOU KNOW, TENDS BE ASSOCIATED WITH COMMUNISM. >> Whitaker: THE ANTI-CORRUPTION 171 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:09,027 GROUP, TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL, ESTIMATES RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS WITH LINKS TO THE KREMLIN OWN AT LEAST $2 BILLION 172 00:22:09,094 --> 00:22:14,433 WORTH OF PROPERTY IN LONDON. SO, IF AN OLIGARCH WERE TO BUY IN HERE, HE COULD CLEAN HIS MONEY AND HIS REPUTATION? 173 00:22:14,499 --> 00:22:21,039 >> Bullough: YEAH. IF YOU'RE THE KIND OF PERSON WHO CAN OWN A HOUSE ON EATON SQUARE, YOU'RE SLIPPING IN, SEAMLESSLY 174 00:22:21,106 --> 00:22:26,344 SLIPPING INTO A TRADITION OF ARISTOCRACY AND NOBILITY. >> Whitaker: IT'S POWERFUL >> Bullough IT'S POWERFUL. 175 00:22:26,411 --> 00:22:30,449 RIGHT? YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO HAS STOLEN A COMPANY IN RUSSIA. YOU ARE ONLY RICH BECAUSE YOU'RE 176 00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:38,356 FRIENDS WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN. BUT LOOK, LOOK WHAT YOU'VE GOT, LOOK WHERE YOU ARE. THIS IS LONDON'S CORE INDUSTRY. 177 00:22:38,423 --> 00:22:45,464 THIS IS WHAT WE DO: TRANSFORMING THUGS INTO ARISTOCRATS 24 HOURS A DAY. >> Whitaker: OLIGARCH CARE IN 178 00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:53,905 LONDON IS WORTH AN ESTIMATED $350 MILLION A YEAR. REAL ESTATE AGENTS, TAX ADVISORS, BANKERS HAVE BECOME 179 00:22:53,972 --> 00:22:59,044 RICH SERVING THEM. HIGH-POWERED LAWYERS DEPLOY THE BRITISH LEGAL SYSTEM TO PROTECT THEM. 180 00:22:59,111 --> 00:23:06,618 ALL THE WHILE, BULLOUGH TOLD US, MOST BRITISH POLITICIANS TURNED A BLIND EYE. >> Bullough: THERE WAS A GENERAL 181 00:23:06,685 --> 00:23:11,757 FEELNG THAT IF THE MONEY WAS COMING HERE AND PAYING TAXES THAT WAS BUILDING SCHOOLS AND BUILDING ROADS AND BUILDING 182 00:23:11,823 --> 00:23:18,396 HOSPITALS, THEN WE DIDN'T CARE WHERE IT CAME FROM. BUT IT SEEMS EXTRAORDINARY NOW, LOOKING BACK, THAT THE MURDER OF 183 00:23:18,463 --> 00:23:26,505 ALEXANDER LITVINENKO IN 2006 DID NOT OCCASION A NATIONAL CONVERSATION AT LEAST ABOUT WHAT WE WERE DOING. 184 00:23:26,571 --> 00:23:34,412 >> Whitaker: A FORMER K.G.B. SPY, ALEXANDER LITVINENKO WAS WORKING WITH BRITISH POLICE TO EXPOSE THE RUSSIAN MAFIA WHEN 185 00:23:34,479 --> 00:23:45,090 KREMLIN ASSASSINS PUT A RADIOACTIVE TOXIN IN HIS TEACUP. IN 2018, RUSSIAN DOUBLE AGENT SERGEI SKRIPAL AND HIS DAUGHTER, 186 00:23:45,157 --> 00:23:51,196 SURVIVED AN ATTACK WITH A SOVIET-ERA NERVE AGENT ON BRITISH SOIL. STILL, BULLOUGH TOLD US, THE 187 00:23:51,263 --> 00:24:02,107 LAUNDROMAT CHURNED ON. ONLY NOW WITH RUSSIAN MISSILES RAINING DEATH ON UKRAINE IS BRITAIN SERIOUSLY QUESTIONING 188 00:24:02,174 --> 00:24:07,546 THE MONEY OLIGARCHS HAVE BEEN SHOWERING DOWN ON THEM FOR YEARS. >> Bullough: IT WAS PRETTY 189 00:24:07,612 --> 00:24:12,884 OBVIOUS WHAT RUSSIA WAS LIKE BY 2018. AND YET, IT WAS STILL- YOU FIND PRIME MINISTERS SAYING “IT'S 190 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:18,490 TIME WE FINALLY GOT RID OF THE DIRTY MONEY IN THIS COUNTRY." SO, IT'S TIME NOW? HOW WAS IT NOT TIME, YOU KNOW, A 191 00:24:18,557 --> 00:24:29,467 DECADE PREVIOUSLY? WE HAVE BECOME VERY DEPENDENT CERTAINLY, IN LONDON ON THE FEES THAT THIS MONEY GENERATES. 192 00:24:29,534 --> 00:24:33,305 >> WE NOW COME TO THE LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION, THE RIGHT HONORABLE KEIR STARMER. >> Keir Starmer: FOR TOO LONG 193 00:24:33,371 --> 00:24:38,677 BRITAIN HAS BEEN A SAFE HAVEN FOR STOLEN MONEY. PUTIN THINKS THAT WE'RE TOO CORRUPTED TO DO THE RIGHT THING 194 00:24:38,743 --> 00:24:47,519 AND PUT AN END TO IT. DOES THE PRIME MINISTER AGREE NOW IS THE TIME TO SANCTION EVERY OLIGARCH AND CRACK OPEN 195 00:24:47,586 --> 00:24:54,659 EVERY SHELL COMPANY SO WE CAN PROVE PUTIN WRONG? >> PRIME MINISTER. >> Boris Johnson: YES MR. 196 00:24:54,726 --> 00:25:00,031 SPEAKER, AND THAT IS WHY THIS GOVERNMENT HAS BROUGHT FORWARD THE UNPRECEDENTED MEASURES THAT WE HAVE. 197 00:25:00,098 --> 00:25:06,338 >> Whitaker: THE GOVERNMENT OF BORIS JOHNSON CANCELED THE VISA PROGRAM WHEN RUSSIA INVADED UKRAINE. 198 00:25:06,404 --> 00:25:14,546 IT BANNED TRAVEL AND FROZE THE ASSETS OF 19 OLIGARCHS. IT WILL SOON LAUNCH AN ANTI- CORRUPTION POLICE UNIT. 199 00:25:14,613 --> 00:25:21,820 BOTH POLITICAL PARTIES, LABOR AND CONSERVATIVE, HAVE COURTED RUSSIAN MONEY, BUT CONSERVATIVES HAVE GOTTEN THE LION'S SHARE—- 200 00:25:21,887 --> 00:25:31,129 AT LEAST $4 MILLION IN POLITICAL DONATIONS SINCE 2012, INCLUDING ALMOST A MILLION DOLLARS FROM ALEXANDER TEMERKO, A FORMER 201 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:38,470 RUSSIAN ARMS TYCOON, NOW A BRITISH CITIZEN. HE'S NOT ON THE SANCTIONS LIST. >> Ian Blackford: HOW CAN OUR 202 00:25:38,536 --> 00:25:44,476 ALLIES TRUST THIS PRIME MINISTER TO CLEAN UP DIRTY RUSSIAN MONEY IN THE U.K. WHEN HE WON'T EVEN CLEAN UP HIS OWN POLITICAL 203 00:25:44,542 --> 00:25:49,915 PARTY? >> Johnson: MR. SPEAKER, I JUST THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT AS YOU UNDERSTAND, WE DO NOT 204 00:25:49,981 --> 00:25:59,858 RAISE MONEY FROM RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS. PEOPLE WHO GIVE MONEY TO THIS—- TO THIS—- TO THIS-- 205 00:25:59,925 --> 00:26:08,600 WE RAISE MONEY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE ON THE U.K. REGISTER OF INTERESTS, AND THAT IS, THAT-- THAT IS HOW WE 206 00:26:08,667 --> 00:26:13,271 DO IT. >> Whitaker: BUT NOTHING INFLAMED JOHNSON'S CRITICS MORE THAN HIS 2020 APPOINTMENT OF 207 00:26:13,338 --> 00:26:20,578 MEDIA MOGUL EVGENY LEBEDEV, A DUAL CITIZEN, TO THE HOUSE OF LORDS. >> OUR TRUSTEE AND WELL BELOVED 208 00:26:20,645 --> 00:26:26,718 EVGENY ALEXANDROVICH LEBEDEV. >> Whitaker: DESPITE WARNINGS FROM BRITISH SECURITY SERVICES THAT THE SON OF AN EX-K.G.B. 209 00:26:26,785 --> 00:26:37,562 AGENT POSED A SECURITY RISK, LORD LEBEDEV OF HAMPTON AND SIBERIA PUT ON HIS ERMINE ROBES. NOW FROM HIS SEAT, HE CAN WATCH 210 00:26:37,629 --> 00:26:42,701 OTHER BRITISH LORDS RACE TO RESIGN FROM BOARDS OF RUSSIAN COMPANIES. >> Grieve: YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED 211 00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:50,608 IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS THERE'S BEEN THE MOST MASSIVE BAILOUT OF PEOPLE LEAVING THE BOARDS OF RUSSIAN COMPANIES BECAUSE IT'S 212 00:26:50,675 --> 00:26:55,714 BECOME SOCIALLY, QUITE APART FROM POLITICALLY, UNACCEPTABLE FOR THEM TO BE ON IT. BUT IN THE PAST, THERE WERE 213 00:26:55,780 --> 00:27:02,354 PLENTY OF SUCH FACILITATORS AROUND. >> Whitaker: WHAT MADE IT ACCEPTABLE BEFORE? 214 00:27:02,420 --> 00:27:09,227 I MEAN, THERE HAVE BEEN ONE INCIDENT AFTER ANOTHER THAT SHOULD HAVE SET UP ALARM BELLS. >> Grieve: WELL, THAT'S 215 00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:14,666 CERTAINLY MY VIEW, BECAUSE WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THOSE THINGS AND ABOUT THE THREAT, THE POTENTIAL THREAT, THAT RUSSIA 216 00:27:14,733 --> 00:27:22,674 POSES TO OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. >> Whitaker: FORMER OLIGARCH MIKHAIL KHODORKOVSKY TOLD US HE THOUGHT THE SANCTIONS WERE 217 00:27:22,741 --> 00:27:32,751 ESSENTIAL BUT NOT ENOUGH. "WHAT DRIVES ME CRAZY," HE TOLD US, "IS THE COWARDICE OF WESTERN LEADERS WHO SAY WE CAN'T DO 218 00:27:32,817 --> 00:27:41,226 THIS, WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE PUTIN MIGHT RETALIATE. THAT APPEASEMENT IS EXACTLY THE TACTIC THE WEST USED AGAINST 219 00:27:41,292 --> 00:27:46,664 HITLER AND THAT LED TO MILLIONS OF LIVES BEING LOST." >> STOP PUTIN! STOP THE WAR! 220 00:27:46,731 --> 00:27:51,269 >> Whitaker: PRESSURE IS BUILDING ON THE OLIGARCHS OF BRITAIN. ANTI-WAR DEMONSTRATORS NOW CALL 221 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:58,676 THEM OUT. CLOSE PUTIN ALLY ROMAN ABRAMOVICH, WHO IS SELLING HIS SOCCER CLUB, MAY HAVE BEEN 222 00:27:58,743 --> 00:28:09,421 POISONED HIMSELF IN KYIV. INDUSTRIALIST OLEG DERIPASKA'S BELGRAVIA MANSION WAS OCCUPIED BY SQUATTERS TWO WEEKS AGO. 223 00:28:09,487 --> 00:28:17,595 OLIVER BULLOUGH TOLD US LONDON'S DIRTY SECRET. >> Bullough: IT'S AMORAL. IT DOESN'T CARE. 224 00:28:17,662 --> 00:28:22,734 >> Whitaker: WHAT'S AT STAKE HERE IF THIS CONTINUES? >> Bullough: I THINK THE REALLY IMPORTANT POINT TO UNDERSTAND IS 225 00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:27,539 THAT AN OLIGARCH DOESN'T STOP BEING AN OLIGARCH IF THEY FLY TO THE U.K. THEY WANT THE SAME THINGS IN THE 226 00:28:27,605 --> 00:28:34,746 U.K. AS THEY WANT AT HOME, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT RIGGED ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT AUCTIONS. THEY WANT PREFERENTIAL ACCESS TO 227 00:28:34,813 --> 00:28:43,822 POLITICIANS. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY RISK-AVERSE ABOUT ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN HERE. 228 00:28:43,888 --> 00:28:50,762 BECAUSE ONCE YOU SET OFF DOWN THAT PATH, IT'S VERY HARD TO COME BACK. ( TICKING ) 229 00:28:52,730 --> 00:29:02,407 ( TICKING ) >> Anderson Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON IS AN ARTIST WHOSE WORK DEFIES ANY EASY DESCRIPTION. 230 00:29:02,474 --> 00:29:08,713 SHE'S A PIONEER OF THE AVANT- GARDE BUT, AS WE LEARNED, THAT DOESN'T BEGIN TO DESCRIBE WHAT SHE CREATES. 231 00:29:08,780 --> 00:29:15,420 HER WORK ISN'T SOLD IN GALLERIES, IT'S EXPERIENCED BY AUDIENCES WHO COME TO SEE HER PERFORM: SINGING, TELLING 232 00:29:15,487 --> 00:29:21,526 STORIES, AND PLAYING STRANGE VIOLINS OF HER OWN INVENTION. SHE WON A GRAMMY FOR A CHAMBER MUSIC ALBUM ABOUT HURRICANE 233 00:29:21,593 --> 00:29:28,766 SANDY, AND REMAINS ONE OF AMERICA'S MOST UNUSUAL AND VISIONARY ARTISTS. A MAJOR EXHIBITION OF HER WORK 234 00:29:28,833 --> 00:29:36,708 IS ON DISPLAY AT THE SMITHSONIAN'S HIRSHHORN MUSEUM IN WASHINGTON, D.C. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LAURIE 235 00:29:36,774 --> 00:29:40,778 ANDERSON. 236 00:29:44,716 --> 00:29:56,127 SHE'S PLAYED ELECTRONIC DRUMS ON HER BODY, AND ELECTRIC VIOLINS THAT SING AND HOWL. FOR NEARLY FIVE DECADES NOW 237 00:29:56,194 --> 00:30:00,865 SHE'S BLENDED THE BEAUTIFUL AND THE BIZARRE, CHALLENGING AUDIENCES WITH HOMILIES AND HUMOR. 238 00:30:00,932 --> 00:30:12,710 >> Laurie Anderson: WELCOME TO DIFFICULT LISTENING HOUR. >> Cooper: SHE BLURS BOUNDARIES ACROSS MUSIC, THEATER, DANCE, 239 00:30:12,777 --> 00:30:23,655 AND FILM. IT'S NOT JUST AUDIENCES THAT HAVE A HARD TIME DEFINING HER WORK, LAURIE ANDERSON SOMETIMES 240 00:30:23,721 --> 00:30:28,760 DOES AS WELL. >> Anderson: I USED TO SAY MULTIMEDIA ARTIST. AND THAT WAS RIDICULOUS. 241 00:30:28,826 --> 00:30:33,097 MULTIMEDIA ARTIST. IT'S SO CLUMSY. WITH A GUN TO MY HEAD, I SAY I TELL STORIES. 242 00:30:33,164 --> 00:30:39,804 AND THOSE LOOK LIKE PAINTINGS SOMETIMES. THEY LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, SONGS. THEY LOOK LIKE FILMS. 243 00:30:39,871 --> 00:30:44,709 THEY'RE JUST STORIES. WHAT IS A STORY? WHAT IS ITS FUNCTION? HOW DOES IT WORK? 244 00:30:44,776 --> 00:30:56,120 WHO'S TELLING IT? TO WHO? O SUPERMAN. >> Cooper: IF YOU'VE HEARD OF 245 00:30:56,187 --> 00:31:00,725 LAURIE ANDERSON AT ALL, IT MAY BE BECAUSE OF THIS EIGHT-MINUTE- LONG SONG SHE RECORDED BACK IN 1980. 246 00:31:00,792 --> 00:31:08,900 IT'S EERIE AND SOMEWHAT UNSETTLING AND TO HER SURPRISE, IT BECAME A HIT. >> Anderson: THIS WAS A SONG 247 00:31:08,967 --> 00:31:14,172 ABOUT HOW BASICALLY TECHNOLOGY CANNOT SAVE YOU. >> Cooper: I FIRST HEARD IT WHEN I WAS 14. 248 00:31:14,239 --> 00:31:19,978 I JUST WAS, LIKE, WHAT IS THIS? AND I STILL LISTEN TO IT. >> Anderson: IT'S ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS. 249 00:31:20,044 --> 00:31:30,888 JUSTICE. SAFETY. PWER. ♪ THERE'S ALWAYS FORCE ♪ 250 00:31:30,955 --> 00:31:34,692 >> Cooper: SHE RECORDED "O SUPERMAN" HERSELF IN HER APARTMENT IN DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN. >> Anderson: I HAD A LOT OF 251 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:39,264 EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD LOOP THINGS. SO, I WAS MAKING A LOT OF VOCAL LOOPS. 252 00:31:39,330 --> 00:31:49,407 ACTUALLY, YOU HAVE TO HIT IT RIGHT IN THE RIGHT SPOT, SO THEY HOCK IT AND DO THIS. >> Cooper: YOU SAY, "BECAUSE 253 00:31:49,474 --> 00:31:55,947 WHEN LOVE IS GONE THERE'S ALWAYS JUSTICE.” >> Anderson: HERE, HERE YOU GO. YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE A VOCODER. 254 00:31:56,014 --> 00:32:03,588 HERE WE GO. HERE WE GO. GO AHEAD. >> Cooper: "AND WHEN JUSTICE IS 255 00:32:03,655 --> 00:32:14,198 GONE, THERE'S ALWAYS FORCE. AND WHEN FORCE IS GONE, THERE'S ALWAYS MOM. HI, MOM.” 256 00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:17,035 I LOVE THAT. >> Anderson: YOU DO THAT VERY WELL. >> Cooper: I'VE BEEN LISTENING 257 00:32:17,101 --> 00:32:25,310 TO IT FOR-- >> Anderson: YOU GOT THE JOB. >> Cooper: THE SONG LED TO HER GROUNDBREAKING FIRST ALBUM, 258 00:32:25,376 --> 00:32:28,946 "BIG SCIENCE." >> Anderson: WELL, YOU DON'T KNOW ME. >> Cooper: "PITCHFORK" SAID, 259 00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:33,418 "LISTENING TO LAURIE ANDERSON'S FIRST ALBUM IS LIKE SITTING DOWN WITH A STRANGE FORM OF LIFE THAT HAS BEEN STUDYING US FOR A LONG 260 00:32:33,484 --> 00:32:40,191 TIME." >> Anderson: I'D LIKE TO MEET THAT WRITER. I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS, IS WHEN 261 00:32:40,258 --> 00:32:45,596 YOU ACTUALLY BREAK IT DOWN, BIZARRE. AND UNLIKELY. THAT'S MY LENS, I THINK. 262 00:32:45,663 --> 00:32:52,837 UNLIKELY. >> Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON GREW UP IN GLEN ELLYN, ILLINOIS, WHERE SHE WAS ONE OF EIGHT 263 00:32:52,904 --> 00:32:59,010 CHILDREN. EVERY WEEKEND SHE PLAYED VIOLIN WITH THE CHICAGO YOUTH SYMPHONY, AND THEN WALKED ACROSS THE 264 00:32:59,077 --> 00:33:03,648 STREET TO THE ART INSTITUTE TO STUDY PAINTING. >> Anderson: AND IT DIDN'T SEEM DIFFERENT TO ME TO GO LIKE THIS 265 00:33:03,715 --> 00:33:07,218 OR GO LIKE THIS. >> Cooper: IT WAS THE SAME THING. >> Anderson: SAME THING. 266 00:33:07,285 --> 00:33:10,621 I WOULD JUST, IS THAT? OR IS THAT? IS IT-- >> Cooper: PLAYING THE VIOLIN OR 267 00:33:10,688 --> 00:33:15,660 PAINTING WAS-- >> Anderson: COLORFUL ENOUGH? IS IT COOL ENOUGH? IS IT ADVENTUROUS ENOUGH? 268 00:33:15,727 --> 00:33:24,736 IS IT RIGHT ENOUGH? IS IT-- IT'S ALL-- IT'S JUST THE SAME EXACT THING. ALL THE SAME QUESTIONS. 269 00:33:24,802 --> 00:33:28,940 AND IT WAS JUST WHAT A HAND WAS DOING AND WHAT IS, IT'S MAKING SOUND OVER HERE. IT'S MAKING COLOR OVER HERE. 270 00:33:29,006 --> 00:33:36,814 >> Cooper: SHE CAME TO NEW YORK IN 1966 AND BEGAN EXPERIMENTING WITH MUSIC AND SHORT FILMS, BUT AFTER A WHILE SHE THOUGHT HER 271 00:33:36,881 --> 00:33:44,889 WORK MIGHT BE BETTER RECEIVED IN EUROPE. YOU WANTED TO TOUR IN EUROPE. >> Anderson: I DID, YEAH. 272 00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:51,662 I WROTE TO ABOUT MAYBE 500, LET'S SAY, ART CENTERS, SAYING, "I'M PLANNING A TOUR IN THE FALL." 273 00:33:51,729 --> 00:33:55,967 I HAD NO TOUR. AND "WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE PART OF THAT?" >> Cooper: WITH A COUPLE 274 00:33:56,033 --> 00:34:03,708 RESPONSES, SHE TOOK OFF FOR ITALY. THAT'S HER IN 1975, PLAYING A VIOLIN WITH A TAPE RECORDER 275 00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:09,080 INSIDE PLAYING LOOPS SO SHE COULD DUET WITH HERSELF. >> Anderson: BUT THEN WHEN IS THE CONCERT OVER? 276 00:34:09,147 --> 00:34:14,485 THERE'S NO END TO A LOOP. SO, I THOUGHT, "I NEED A TIMING MECHANISM." SO, I WORE SOME ICE SKATES WITH 277 00:34:14,552 --> 00:34:21,626 THEIR BLADES FROZEN INTO BLOCKS OF ICE. SO WHEN I'D PLAY UNTIL THE ICE STARTED MELTING AND CRACKING. 278 00:34:21,692 --> 00:34:25,129 AND THEN WHEN I BEGAN TO LOSE MY BALANCE, I WOULD JUST STOP. THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS THE CLOCK. 279 00:34:25,196 --> 00:34:29,033 >> Cooper: AND YOU WERE DOING THIS ON THE STREET? >> Anderson: YEAH. USUALLY IN THE HOTTEST PART OF 280 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:35,840 TOWN, BECAUSE IT COULD TAKE A LONG TIME TO HAVE THESE THINGS, THE CUBES MELT. >> Cooper: FOR YEARS SHE WAS A 281 00:34:35,907 --> 00:34:40,978 TRAVELING TROUBADOUR, EXPERIMENTING WITH SOUND, LIGHT AND STORIES. >> Anderson: AND I'VE BEEN 282 00:34:41,045 --> 00:34:47,418 AROUND THE BLOCK, BUT I DON'T CARE, I'M ON A ROLL, I'M ON A WILD RIDE. >> Cooper: AFTER THE UNLIKELY 283 00:34:47,485 --> 00:34:56,994 SUCCESS OF "O SUPERMAN," SHE GOT AN EIGHT RECORD DEAL WITH WARNER BROS. SUDDENLY, THE AVANT-GARDE ARTIST 284 00:34:57,061 --> 00:35:03,100 WAS PLAYING ON MTV. THAT MUST'VE BEEN STRANGE. TO HAVE THAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL SUCCESS DANGLED BEFORE YOU. 285 00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:09,273 >> Anderson: I KNEW ENOUGH ABOUT THE POP WORLD TO KNOW IT WAS EXTREMELY FICKLE. SO, I SAID, "OKAY. 286 00:35:09,340 --> 00:35:16,814 I'M NOT GONNA BE TRICKED BY THIS.” >> Cooper: A CHANCE MEETING WITH A ROCK AND ROLL LEGEND SHE'D 287 00:35:16,881 --> 00:35:21,786 VAGUELY HEARD OF CHANGED HER LIFE. HIS NAME WAS LOU REED, AND HE ASKED HER OUT. 288 00:35:21,853 --> 00:35:27,158 >> Anderson: AND WE WENT OVER TO THE A.E.S. CONVENTION AT THE JAVITZ CENTER. SUPER GEEKY THING TO DO. 289 00:35:27,225 --> 00:35:31,496 WE WERE LOOKING AT TUBE MICROPHONES. >> Cooper: SO, FOR YOUR FIRST DATE, YOU WENT TO THE ACOUSTICAL 290 00:35:31,562 --> 00:35:36,834 SOCIETY ENGINEERING CONVENTION. IT DOESN'T SOUND VERY ROMANTIC. >> Anderson: I DIDN'T THINK OF IT AS ROMANTIC. 291 00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:40,104 >> Cooper: YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A DATE? >> Anderson: NO, I DID NOT. HE SAID, "LET'S GO GET, LET'S GO 292 00:35:40,171 --> 00:35:48,079 GET A COFFEE." I SAID, "OKAY." AND, AND I WAS LIKE, "I KIND OF LIKE THIS GUY.” 293 00:35:48,145 --> 00:35:55,987 WE WEREN'T REALLY APART FOR 21 YEARS AFTER THAT. >> Cooper: WOW. >> Anderson: YEAH. 294 00:35:56,053 --> 00:36:03,861 HE'S MY BEST FRIEND. ♪ A THOUSAND TIMES YOU'D BETTER HANG ON ♪ TO YOUR EMOTIONS 295 00:36:03,928 --> 00:36:13,404 HANG ON TO YOUR EMOTIONS ♪ >> Cooper: THEY SHARED BUDDHISM, TAI CHI, AND BOUNDLESS CREATIVITY, AND FINALLY GOT 296 00:36:13,471 --> 00:36:24,782 MARRIED IN 2008. FIVE YEARS LATER, LOU REED DIED AFTER A LONG BATTLE WITH LIVER CANCER. 297 00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:32,089 YOU WROTE ABOUT HIS DEATH, "I'VE NEVER SEEN AN EXPRESSION AS FULL OF WONDER AS LOU'S AS HE DIED. 298 00:36:32,156 --> 00:36:35,459 HE WASN'T AFRAID. I HAD GOTTEN TO WALK WITH HIM TO THE END OF THE WORLD. LIFE, SO BEAUTIFUL, PAINFUL, AND 299 00:36:35,526 --> 00:36:41,132 DAZZLING, DOES NOT GET BETTER THAN THAT." >> Anderson: YEAH, LOU WAS A PERSON WHO HAD THOUGHT ABOUT 300 00:36:41,198 --> 00:36:51,475 THIS AND HAD, HAD PREPARED HIMSELF FOR IT AND, AND WAS 100% THERE. >> Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON STILL 301 00:36:51,542 --> 00:36:57,114 LIVES IN THE APARTMENT THEY SHARED IN THE WEST VILLAGE, AND EVERYDAY WALKS HER DOG LITTLE WILL TO THE STUDIO SHE'S HAD 302 00:36:57,181 --> 00:37:03,921 SINCE THE 1970s. WHEN WE DROPPED IN ON HER SHE WAS REHEARSING WITH CELLIST RUBIN KODHELI. 303 00:37:03,988 --> 00:37:12,129 >> Anderson: CAN YOU PLAY? >> Cooper: IT'S AN OPERA SHE WROTE ABOUT AMELIA EARHART'S DOOMED ATTEMPT TO CIRCUMNAVIGATE 304 00:37:12,196 --> 00:37:17,201 THE GLOBE. >> Anderson: SHE'S ON THIS CRACKLY RADIO, AND SHE'S GOING, LIKE, "I CAN SEE YOU, BUT I 305 00:37:17,268 --> 00:37:24,542 CAN'T HEAR YOU." AND THEY'RE GOING, "I CAN HEAR YOU, BUT I CAN'T SEE YOU." >> Cooper: SHE'S IN PERPETUAL 306 00:37:24,609 --> 00:37:29,280 MOTION, PLAYING WITH TECHNOLOGY AND IMAGES, FASCINATED BY LANGUAGE AND SOUND. >> Anderson: WHAT WAS REALLY FUN 307 00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:34,018 ABOUT THIS-- OOP. >> Cooper: SHE'S WORKING WITH AN AUSTRALIAN UNIVERSITY ON AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PROGRAM 308 00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:43,995 LOADED WITH EVERYTHING SHE'S EVER WRITTEN, SAID, OR SUNG. YOU CAN ASK IT A QUESTION OR GIVE IT A PHOTOGRAPH, AND THE 309 00:37:44,061 --> 00:37:49,200 ALGORITHM CREATES AN ORIGINAL POEM IN THE WORDS AND SPEECH PATTERN OF LAURIE ANDERSON. >> Anderson: HALF OF IT IS 310 00:37:49,266 --> 00:37:56,007 REALLY TERRIBLE POETRY. A QUARTER OF IT IS KIND OF INTERESTING, AND A QUARTER OF IT IS REALLY KIND OF GREAT. 311 00:37:56,073 --> 00:37:59,310 >> Cooper: TO SEE HOW IT WORKS WE UPLOADED A PHOTOGRAPH OF MY NEWBORN SON, SEBASTIAN. WOW. 312 00:37:59,377 --> 00:38:02,446 >> Anderson: THE MOUTH, THE EYE, THE HAND, THE FACE. THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO, NO PLACE TO HIDE IT. 313 00:38:02,513 --> 00:38:07,485 IT'S EVERYWHERE NOW THAT I'M HERE. I CAN'T BELIEVE IT'S ME. WHO DID THIS? 314 00:38:07,551 --> 00:38:10,021 WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? WHY ARE YOU HERE? >> Cooper: I'M LIKE, I'M CR-- LIKE CRYING. 315 00:38:10,087 --> 00:38:13,257 I FIND-- >> Anderson: I KNOW, IT'S-- >> Cooper: THIS REALLY EMOTIONAL-- 316 00:38:13,324 --> 00:38:17,261 >> Anderson: I KNOW. SEE, THE THING IS, IT REALLY SHOWS US MORE THAT HOW MUCH OF OURSELVES WE PUT INTO LANGUAGE. 317 00:38:17,328 --> 00:38:26,704 >> Cooper: YEAH. LAST YEAR, ANDERSON DELIVERED SIX VIRTUAL LECTURES AS THE NORTON PROFESSOR OF POETRY AT 318 00:38:26,771 --> 00:38:31,142 HARVARD. >> Anderson: YOU KNOW THE BEST WAY TO SEE THE CITY IS AT NIGHT FROM THE AIR. 319 00:38:31,208 --> 00:38:37,248 >> Cooper: FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF ROBERT FROST, LEONARD BERNSTEIN, AND TONI MORRISON. 320 00:38:37,314 --> 00:38:43,721 NOT SURPRISINGLY, ANDERSON'S LECTURES WERE VERY DIFFERENT. >> Anderson: NEEYAA-- WHOA. THAT'S IT! 321 00:38:43,788 --> 00:38:51,662 OH, YOU'RE IN THE CONGO ROOM. >> Cooper: PERHAPS THE CLOSEST ANYONE CAN GET INSIDE LAURIE ANDERSON'S MIND IS THIS VIRTUAL 322 00:38:51,729 --> 00:38:57,401 REALITY WORLD SHE CREATED WITH A COLLABORATOR IN TAIWAN. >> Anderson: IT'S A WORLD THAT LOOKS SPATIAL, BUT IT'S MADE OF 323 00:38:57,468 --> 00:39:05,309 WORDS AND DRAWINGS. IT FEELS AS THOUGH YOU'RE FLYING INSIDE A WORK OF ART. >> Cooper: YOU'VE BEEN WORKING 324 00:39:05,376 --> 00:39:09,313 WITH TECHNOLOGY FOR 40 YEARS NOW. DOES IT STILL FASCINATE YOU? >> Anderson: YEAH. 325 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:16,053 IT-- IT DOES. I-- I'M STILL A GEEK, YOU KNOW? I LIKE IT. I DON'T THINK I WORSHIP IT. 326 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:20,958 >> Cooper: IT'S NOT THE SAVIOR THAT SOME HOPE? >> Anderson: OH, NO. NO. 327 00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:25,529 NO. AND THIS WAS SAID TO ME BY A CRYPTOLOGIST: "IF YOU THINK TECHNOLOGY IS GOING TO SOLVE 328 00:39:25,596 --> 00:39:32,002 YOUR PROBLEMS, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND TECHNOLOGY AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR PROBLEMS." AND I LIKED THAT VERY MUCH 329 00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:37,041 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST GO, "OH, YEAH. THAT'S GONNA FIX IT." REALLY? 330 00:39:37,108 --> 00:39:43,280 >> Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON'S LARGEST-EVER U.S. EXHIBITION IS CURRENTLY ON DISPLAY AT THE SMITHSONIAN'S HIRSHHORN MUSEUM 331 00:39:43,347 --> 00:39:51,122 ON THE NATIONAL MALL IN WASHINGTON, D.C. IT'S AN ODYSSEY THROUGH HER SINGULAR CREATIVE LIFE. 332 00:39:51,188 --> 00:39:57,328 THIS SEEMS VERY OMINOUS TO ME. >> Anderson: GOOD. THERE'S SO MUCH FLAG WAVING THESE DAYS, AND IT BECOMES QUITE 333 00:39:57,394 --> 00:40:07,605 MECHANICAL IN SOME WAYS AND I GUESS I'M-- TERRIFIED OF THE RISE OF FASCISM AROUND THE WORLD, FRANKLY. 334 00:40:07,671 --> 00:40:13,410 >> Cooper: IN ONE ROOM SHE'S PAINTED WORDS AND IMAGES THAT SEEM TO EXPLODE ONTO THE WALLS AND FLOOR. 335 00:40:13,477 --> 00:40:19,216 IT'S A KIND OF MULTI-DIMENSIONAL SKETCHBOOK OF HER THOUGHTS, DREAMS, AND STORIES. DID YOU MAP THIS OUT BEFORE YOU 336 00:40:19,283 --> 00:40:24,455 DID IT? >> Anderson: NO, I SHOULD HAVE. >> Cooper: NEW IDEAS ARE BUILT ON OLDER WORKS. 337 00:40:24,522 --> 00:40:29,360 SHE FIRST CAME UP WITH THIS CONCEPT IN THE 1970s. >> Anderson: THIS IS CALLED "CITIZENS." 338 00:40:29,426 --> 00:40:34,565 >> Cooper: I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. MINIATURE CLAY FIGURES WITH VIDEO OF PEOPLE PROJECTED ONTO 339 00:40:34,632 --> 00:40:40,037 THEM. AND I FEEL LIKE THEY ALL WANT TO KILL ME. >> Anderson: THIS ONE DOES. 340 00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:44,375 >> Cooper: THEY'RE ALL SHARPENING KNIVES. >> Anderson: BECAUSE I THINK IT'S, LIKE, PEOPLE LIKE ELVES, 341 00:40:44,441 --> 00:40:49,280 RIGHT, YOU KNOW? >> Cooper: UH-HUH. >> Anderson: AND FAIRIES. >> Cooper: YEAH. 342 00:40:49,346 --> 00:40:54,151 >> Anderson: SO, I THINK THAT'S, FOR ME, IS THE FASCINATION OF-- >> Cooper: THESE ARE SOME BADASS FAIRIES. 343 00:40:54,218 --> 00:41:01,325 FROM MINIATURES TO MONUMENTS. >> Mohammed El Gharani: WE DIDN'T SEE THE SUN; WE DIDN'T SEE THE FRESH AIR FOR WEEKS. 344 00:41:01,392 --> 00:41:08,732 >> Cooper: IN ANOTHER ROOM, ANOTHER STORY. THIS ONE TOLD BY A GIANT VIDEO PROJECTION OF MOHAMMAD EL 345 00:41:08,799 --> 00:41:15,940 GHARANI, HELD FOR SEVEN YEARS IN GUANTANAMO AS A TEENAGER WITHOUT CHARGE, UNTIL A JUDGE RELEASED HIM. 346 00:41:16,006 --> 00:41:21,378 >> Anderson: FOR ME, I GAVE THIS PERSON A MEGAPHONE TO SAY, "IT'S YOUR TURN. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY?" 347 00:41:21,445 --> 00:41:28,118 THIS IS NOT ABOUT MY OPINIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED HERE. THIS IS MOHAMMED EL GHARANI'S STORY. 348 00:41:28,185 --> 00:41:35,793 >> Cooper: LAURIE ANDERSON IS 74 NOW, AND STILL CONJURING UP NEW STORIES, AND NEW WAYS TO TELL THEM. 349 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:43,667 >> Anderson: I'M NOT AN ARTIST TO MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. THIS IS NOT MY GOAL, YOU KNOW, 350 00:41:43,734 --> 00:41:50,107 AT ALL, EXCEPT LIKE SECRETLY. >> Cooper: JUST, VERY QUIETLY, THAT'S YOUR GOAL. >> Anderson: QUIETLY. 351 00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:57,381 BECAUSE I REALLY LOVE BEAUTIFUL THINGS. BECAUSE IT'S THRILLING TO, TO PUT YOUR MIND SOMEWHERE ELSE AND 352 00:41:57,448 --> 00:42:01,485 BE SOMEWHERE THAT YOU COULD NEVER HAVE IMAGINED. AND THEN SUDDENLY YOU'RE IMAGINING IT. 353 00:42:01,552 --> 00:42:11,095 AND THEN YOU'RE THERE. IT'S MAGIC. ( TICKING ) 354 00:42:13,097 --> 00:42:18,102 >> Cooper: NOW, AN UPDATE ON OUR STORY FROM THIS PAST NOVEMBER ABOUT HAZING. SAM MARTINEZ, A 19-YEAR-OLD 355 00:42:18,168 --> 00:42:26,377 FRESHMAN AT WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY, DIED OF ACUTE ALCOHOL POISONING WHILE PLEDGING THE ALPHA TAU OMEGA FRATERNITY. 356 00:42:26,443 --> 00:42:35,152 HIS PARENTS, HECTOR MARTINEZ AND JOLAYNE HOUTZ TOLD US THE NATIONAL FRATERNITY HID THE LOCAL CHAPTER'S HAZING HISTORY 357 00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:40,224 AND HINDERED THE INVESTIGATION OF SAM'S DEATH. >> IF WE HAD KNOWN EVEN A FRACTION OF WHAT WE KNOW NOW, 358 00:42:40,291 --> 00:42:45,629 SAM NEVER WOULD'VE WANTED TO JOIN THAT FRATERNITY. >> Cooper: HIS PARENTS BEGAN A CAMPAIGN TO TOUGHEN WASHINGTON'S 359 00:42:45,696 --> 00:42:51,335 HAZING LAWS AND TO DISCLOSE FRATERNITIES' DISCIPLINARY RECORDS.“ SAM'S LAW,” WAS SIGNED BY 360 00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:56,774 GOVERNOR JAY INSLEE ON WEDNESDAY. I'M ANDERSON COOPER. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH 361 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:07,751 ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."