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>> Lesley Stahl: GOOD EVENING.
WELCOME TO "60 MINUTES
PRESENTS."
I'M LESLEY STAHL.
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TONIGHT: "CAPTURING HISTORY."
WE'LL LOOK AT TWO PROJECTS THAT
DO JUST THAT.
LATER, NORAH O'DONNELL VISITS
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STORYCORPS' DAVE ISAY AS HE
WORKS TO CHANGE THE HARSH AND
HOSTILE TONE OF AMERICA'S
POLITICAL DEBATE ONE
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CONVERSATION AT A TIME.
BUT WE BEGIN WITH A PROJECT TO
BRING HISTORY TO LIFE IN A WAY
WE'D NEVER SEEN BEFORE.
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MOST SURVIVORS OF WORLD WAR II'S
NAZI CONCENTRATION CAMPS ARE NOW
IN THEIR 80s AND 90s, AND SOON
THERE WILL BE NO ONE LEFT WHO
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EXPERIENCED THE HORRORS OF THE
HOLOCAUST FIRSTHAND, NO ONE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS OR BEAR WITNESS
TO FUTURE GENERATIONS.
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BUT AS WE FIRST REPORTED TWO
YEARS AGO, A NEW AND DRAMATIC
EFFORT IS UNDERWAY TO CHANGE
THAT, BY HARNESSING THE
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TECHNOLOGIES OF THE PRESENT AND
THE FUTURE, TO KEEP ALIVE THE
ABILITY TO TALK TO-- AND GET
ANSWERS FROM-- THE PAST.
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HI, AARON.
>> Aaron Elster: HELLO.
>> Stahl: CAN I ASK YOU SOME
QUESTIONS?
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>> Elster: YOU CAN ASK ME
ANYTHING YOU WANT, WITHIN
REASON.
>> Stahl: OUR INTERVIEW WITH
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HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR AARON ELSTER,
WHO SPENT TWO YEARS OF HIS
CHILDHOOD HIDDEN IN A NEIGHBOR'S
ATTIC, WAS UNLIKE ANY INTERVIEW
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WE HAVE EVER DONE.
AARON, TELL US WHAT YOUR PARENTS
DID BEFORE THE WAR.
>> Elster: THEY OWNED AND
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OPERATED A BUTCHER SHOP.
>> Stahl: IT WASN'T THE CONTENT
OF THE INTERVIEW THAT WAS SO
UNUSUAL.
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WHERE DID YOU LIVE?
>> Elster: I WAS BORN IN A SMALL
TOWN IN POLAND CALLED SOKOLOOÓW
PODLASKI.
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>> Stahl: IT'S THE FACT THAT
THIS INTERVIEW WAS WITH A MAN
WHO WAS NO LONGER ALIVE.
AARON ELSTER DIED FOUR YEARS
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AGO.
WHAT'S THE WEATHER LIKE TODAY?
>> Elster: I'M ACTUALLY A
RECORDING.
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I CANNOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
>> Heather Maio: THE SURVIVORS
WERE GETTING VERY OLD.
>> Stahl: HEATHER MAIO CAME UP
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WITH THE IDEA FOR THIS PROJECT.
SHE HAD WORKED ON EXHIBITS
FEATURING HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS
FOR YEARS, AND WANTED FUTURE
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GENERATIONS TO HAVE THE SAME
OPPORTUNITY TO INTERACT WITH
THEM AS SHE'D HAD.
>> Maio: I WANTED TO TALK TO A
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HOLOCAUST SURVIVOR LIKE I WOULD
TODAY, WITH THAT PERSON SITTING
RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME AND WE WERE
HAVING A CONVERSATION.
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>> Stahl: SHE KNEW THAT BACK IN
THE '90s, AFTER MAKING THE FILM
"SCHINDLER'S LIST," STEVEN
SPIELBERG CREATED A FOUNDATION
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NAMED FOR THE HEBREW WORD FOR
THE HOLOCAUST, SHOAH, TO FILM
AND COLLECT TESTIMONIES FROM AS
MANY SURVIVORS AS POSSIBLE.
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THEY HAVE INTERVIEWED NEARLY
55,000 OF THEM SO FAR, AND HAVE
STORED THEM AT THE UNIVERSITY OF
SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
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BUT MAIO DREAMED OF SOMETHING
MORE DYNAMIC-- BEING ABLE TO
ACTIVELY CONVERSE WITH SURVIVORS
AFTER THEY'RE GONE.
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AND SHE FIGURED, IN THE AGE OF
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE TOOLS
LIKE SIRI AND ALEXA, THE
TECHNOLOGY HAD TO BE CREATABLE.
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>> Stephen Smith: I'VE BEEN
INVOLVED IN INTERVIEWING
HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS FOR OVER 20
YEARS.
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>> Stahl: SHE BROUGHT THE IDEA
TO STEPHEN SMITH, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF THE U.S.C. SHOAH
FOUNDATION, AND NOW HER HUSBAND.
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HE LOVED IT, BUT SOME OF HIS
COLLEAGUES WEREN'T SO SURE.
>> Maio: ONE OF THEM LOOKED AT
ME-- SHE WAS LIKE, "YOU WANT TO
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TALK TO DEAD PEOPLE?"
( LAUGHS )
>> Stahl: AND YOU SAID, "YES,
BECAUSE THAT'S THE POINT."
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>> Maio: THAT'S THE POINT.
>> Stahl: WELL, MAYBE PEOPLE
THOUGHT YOU'RE TURNING THE
HOLOCAUST INTO SOMETHING, MAYBE
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HOKEY?
>> Maio: YEAH.
THEY SAID THAT, "YOU'RE GOING TO
DISNEY-FY--
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>> Stahl: YES.
>> Maio: "YOU'RE GOING TO
DISNEY-FY THE HOLOCAUST."
>> Smith: WE HAD A LOT OF
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PUSHBACK ON THIS PROJECT.
IS IT THE RIGHT THING TO DO?
WHAT ABOUT THE WELLBEING OF THE
SURVIVORS?
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ARE WE TRYING TO KEEP THEM ALIVE
BEYOND THEIR DEATHS?
EVERYONE HAD QUESTIONS, EXCEPT
FOR ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE-- THE
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SURVIVORS THEMSELVES, WHO SAID,
"WHERE DO I SIGN UP?
I WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN
THIS PROJECT."
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NO BARRIERS TO ENTRY.
>> Stahl: THE FIRST SURVIVOR
THEY SIGNED UP TO DO A TRIAL RUN
WAS A MAN NAMED PINCHAS GUTTER,
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WHO WAS BORN IN POLAND AND
DEPORTED TO THE MAJDANEK
CONCENTRATION CAMP WITH HIS
PARENTS AND TWIN SISTER SABINA
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AT THE AGE OF 11.
HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO SURVIVED.
THEY FLEW PINCHAS FROM HIS HOME
IN TORONTO TO LOS ANGELES, AND
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ASKED HIM TO SIT INSIDE THIS.
SO YOU'RE IN THIS DOME?
WHAT--
>> Pinchas Gutter: YEAH, I CALL
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IT A SPHERE.
THEY CALL IT A DOME.
AND THEN EVENTUALLY, IT WAS
CALLED A BUBBLE.
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>> Stahl: A BUBBLE, SURROUNDING
HIM WITH LIGHTS AND MORE THAN 20
CAMERAS.
THE GOAL WAS TO FUTURE-PROOF THE
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INTERVIEWS, SO THAT AS
TECHNOLOGY ADVANCES AND 3D,
HOLOGRAM-LIKE PROJECTION BECOMES
THE NORM, THEY'LL HAVE ALL THE
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NECESSARY ANGLES.
>> Smith: SO THE VERY FIRST DAY
WE WENT TO FILM PINCHAS, WE HAD
THESE ULTRA-HIGH-SPEED CAMERAS.
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THEY WERE ALL LINKED TOGETHER
AND SYNCED TOGETHER TO MAKE THIS
VIDEO OF HIM.
SO, WE SIT DOWN AND THEY PRESS
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RECORD.
NOTHING HAPPENS.
SO PINCHAS IS SITTING THERE WITH
6,000 L.E.D. LIGHTS ON HIM AND
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CAMERAS THAT DON'T WORK.
>> Pinchas: CAN I GO BACK TO
SLEEP NOW?
>> Stahl: SUNGLASSES SHIELDED
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HIS EYES.
>> Pinchas: WHEN ARE WE GOING TO
START?
I WAS BORED SITTING IN THAT
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CHAIR, SO I STARTED SINGING TO
MYSELF.
♪ ♪ ♪
SO SUDDENLY, STEVEN HAD THIS
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IDEA-- "OH, HE'S SINGING.
WE'RE GOING TO RECORD SOME SONGS
OF HIS."
♪ ♪ ♪
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>> Smith: HE WAS SUCH A GOOD
SPORT.
>> Maio: HE WAS A REALLY GOOD
SPORT.
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>> Stahl: EVENTUALLY THE CAMERAS
ROLLED, AND PINCHAS WAS ASKED TO
COME BACK TO THE BUBBLE FOR THE
REAL THING.
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HOW LONG WERE YOU IN THAT CHAIR?
>> Gutter: A WHOLE WEEK, FROM
9:00 TO 5:00.
>> Stahl: A WEEK?
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>> Gutter: WE WERE THERE WITH
BREAKS FOR LUNCH.
AND-- BUT I WAS THERE FROM 9:00
TO 5:00 ANSWERING QUESTIONS--
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>> Stahl: OH MY GOSH.
IT TOOK SO LONG BECAUSE THEY
ASKED HIM NEARLY 2,000
QUESTIONS.
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THE IDEA WAS TO COVER EVERY
CONCEIVABLE QUESTION ANYONE
MIGHT EVER WANT TO ASK HIM.
DID YOU HAVE TO LOOK EXACTLY THE
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SAME?
>> Gutter: I HAD TO WEAR THE
SAME CLOTHES AND I HAD THREE
PAIRS OF THE SAME JACKETS, THE
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SAME SHIRTS, THE SAME TROUSERS,
THE SAME SHOES.
>> Stahl: PINCHAS CAN NOW BE
SEEN, IN THOSE SHIRTS, TROUSERS,
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AND SHOES, AT HOLOCAUST MUSEUMS
IN DALLAS, INDIANA, AND HERE AT
THE ILLINOIS HOLOCAUST MUSEUM IN
SKOKIE, OUTSIDE CHICAGO, WHERE
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VISITORS CAN ASK HIM THEIR OWN
QUESTIONS.
>> Girl: WHAT KEPT YOU GOING, OR
WHAT GAVE YOU HOPE WHILE YOU
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WERE EXPERIENCING HARDSHIP IN
THE CAMPS?
>> Gutter: WE DID HOPE THAT THE
NAZIS WOULD LOSE THE WAR.
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>> Stahl: PINCHAS'S IMAGE IS
PROJECTED ONTO AN 11-FOOT HIGH
SCREEN.
>> Smith: WHAT WE SEE HERE...
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>> Stahl: SMITH JOINED US TO
EXPLAIN HOW THE TECHNOLOGY
WORKS.
>> Smith: SO WHAT'S HAPPENING
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IS, ALL OF THE ANSWERS TO THE
QUESTIONS THAT PINCHAS GAVE GO
INTO A DATABASE.
AND WHEN YOU ASK A QUESTION, THE
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ALGORITHM IS LOOKING THROUGH ALL
OF THE DATABASE-- "DO I HAVE AN
ANSWER TO THAT?"
AND THEN IT'LL BRING BACK WHAT
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IT THINKS IS THE CLOSEST ANSWER
TO YOUR QUESTION.
>> Stahl: I'M GOING TO TRY
TALKING TO PINCHAS.
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>> Smith: YES.
>> Stahl: ALL RIGHT.
DID YOU HAVE A HAPPY CHILDHOOD?
>> Gutter: I HAD A VERY HAPPY
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CHILDHOOD.
MY PARENTS WERE WINEMAKERS.
MY FATHER STARTED TEACHING ME TO
BECOME A WINEMAKER WHEN I WAS
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3.5 YEARS OLD.
BY THE AGE OF FIVE, I COULD
ALREADY READ AND I COULD ALREADY
WRITE.
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>> Stahl: WOW, YOU'RE VERY
SMART.
>> Gutter: THANK YOU.
>> Stahl: I'VE NOTICED THERE'S A
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LITTLE JIGGLE RIGHT BEFORE
PINCHAS STARTS TO TALK.
WHAT IS THAT?
>> Smith: WHAT YOU'RE SEEING
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HERE ISN'T A HUMAN BEING.
IT'S VIDEO CLIPS THAT ARE-- THAT
ARE BEING BUTTED UP TO EACH
OTHER AND PLAYED.
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AND AS IT SEARCHES AND BRINGS
THE CLIP IN, YOU JUST-- YOU'RE
SEEING A LITTLE BIT OF A JUMP
CUT.
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>> Stahl: THE JUMP CUTS STOPPED
BEING DISTRACTING ONCE WE
STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE FATE
OF PINCHAS'S FAMILY.
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TELL US WHAT HAPPENED WHEN YOU
GOT TO THE CAMP.
>> Gutter: AS SOON AS WE ARRIVED
THERE, WE WERE BEING SEPARATED
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INTO DIFFERENT GROUPS, AND MY
SISTER WAS SOMEHOW PUSHED
TOWARDS THE CHILDREN.
AND I SAW HER, SHE MUST HAVE
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SPOTTED MY MOTHER.
SO SHE RAN TOWARDS MY MOTHER.
I SAW MY MOTHER.
AND SHE HUGGED HER.
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AND SINCE THAT TIME, ALL I CAN
REMEMBER WHENEVER I THINK OF MY
SISTER IS HER LONG-- BIG, LONG,
BLONDE BRAID.
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>> Stahl: THAT WAS THE LAST TIME
HE SAW HIS TWIN SISTER SABINA.
HE LEARNED LATER THAT DAY THAT
SHE AND BOTH HIS PARENTS HAD
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BEEN KILLED IN THE GAS CHAMBERS.
PINCHAS WAS ALONE AT AGE 11, PUT
TO WORK AS A SLAVE LABORER.
DID YOU EVER SEE ANYBODY KILLED?
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>> Gutter: UNFORTUNATELY, I SAW
MANY PEOPLE DIE IN FRONT OF MY
EYES.
>> Stahl: I WASN'T SURE HOW A
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RECORDING WOULD HANDLE WHAT I
WANTED TO ASK PINCHAS NEXT...
HOW CAN YOU STILL HAVE FAITH IN
GOD?
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>> Gutter: HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY
NOT BELIEVE IN GOD?
>> Stahl: WELL, HOW DID HE LET
THIS HAPPEN?
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>> Gutter: GOD GAVE HUMAN BEINGS
THE KNOWLEDGE OF RIGHT AND WRONG
AND HE ALLOWED THEM TO DO WHAT
THEY WISHED ON THIS EARTH, TO
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FIND THEIR OWN WAY.
TO MY MIND, WHEN GOD SEES WHAT
HUMAN BEINGS ARE UP TO,
ESPECIALLY THINGS LIKE GENOCIDE,
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HE WEEPS.
>> Stahl: WOW.
STEPHEN, I COULD ASK HIM
QUESTIONS FOR TEN HOURS.
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AND ON THE SCREEN--
>> Smith: YEAH.
>> Stahl: WOW.
SINCE PINCHAS GUTTER WAS FILMED,
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THE SHOAH FOUNDATION HAS
RECORDED INTERVIEWS WITH DOZENS
MORE HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS, EACH
FOR A FULL WEEK.
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AND THEY'VE SHRUNK THE SET-UP
REQUIRED, SO THEY CAN TAKE A
MOBILE RIG ON THE ROAD TO RECORD
SURVIVORS CLOSE TO WHERE THEY
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LIVE.
THEY'VE DELIBERATELY CHOSEN
INTERVIEW SUBJECTS WITH ALL
DIFFERENT WARTIME EXPERIENCES--
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SURVIVORS OF AUSCHWITZ, HIDDEN
CHILDREN, AND AS WE SAW LAST
FALL IN NEW JERSEY...
>> Alan Moskin: GOING TO HOOK ME
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UP AGAIN, HUH?
>> Tech: YUP.
>> Stahl: 93-YEAR-OLD ALAN
MOSKIN, WHO ISN'T A HOLOCAUST
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SURVIVOR.
HE WAS A LIBERATOR.
>> Moskin: ENTERING THAT CAMP
WAS THE MOST HORRIFIC SIGHT I'VE
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EVER SEEN OR EVER HOPE TO SEE
THE REST OF MY LIFE.
>> Stahl: MOSKIN WAS AN 18-YEAR-
OLD PRIVATE WHEN HIS ARMY UNIT
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LIBERATED A LITTLE-KNOWN
CONCENTRATION CAMP CALLED
GUNSKIRCHEN.
>> Moskin: THERE WAS A PILE OF
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SKELETON-LIKE BODIES ON THE
LEFT.
THERE WAS ANOTHER PILE OF
SKELETON-LIKE BODIES ON THE
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RIGHT.
"THOSE POOR SOULS."
THAT'S THE TERM MY LIEUTENANT
KEPT SCREAMING.
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"OH MY GOD, LOOK AT THESE POOR
SOULS."
>> Stahl: EACH OF ALAN MOSKIN'S
ANSWERS IS THEN ISOLATED BY A
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TEAM OF RESEARCHERS AT THE SHOAH
FOUNDATION OFFICE...
>> Moskin: I REMEMBER THE
EXPRESSION AND THE ATTITUDE OF
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ALL OF US, "WHAT IN THE FREAK?
WHAT IS THIS?
GOD ALMIGHTY."
>> Stahl: ...WHO ADD INTO THE
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SYSTEM A VARIETY OF QUESTIONS
PEOPLE MIGHT ASK TO TRIGGER THAT
RESPONSE.
>> Maio: FOR EVERY QUESTION THAT
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WE ASKED, THERE ARE 15 DIFFERENT
WAYS OF ASKING THE SAME
QUESTION.
>> Stahl: AND THAT'S FED IN?
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>> Maio: AND THAT'S ALL MANUAL.
>> Stahl: EDITORS ROTATE THE
IMAGE, TURN THE GREEN SCREEN
BACKGROUND INTO BLACK, AND THEN
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A LONG PROCESS OF TESTING
BEGINS, SOME OF IT IN SCHOOLS.
>> Teacher: SO, MR. PINCHAS ON
YOUR SCREEN...
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>> Stahl: STUDENTS ARE ASKED TO
TRY IT OUT, ASK WHATEVER
QUESTIONS THEY WANT, AND SEE IF
THE SYSTEM CALLS UP THE CORRECT
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ANSWER.
>> Boy: HOW DID YOU FIND OUT
THAT YOUR CITY WAS GETTING
INVADED BY GERMANY?
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>> Boy: WOULD YOU EVER WANT TO
SEEK REVENGE?
>> Boy: HOW DID YOU FEEL ABOUT
YOUR FAMILY?
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>> Gutter: CAN YOU REPHRASE
THAT, PLEASE?
>> Stahl: EVERY QUESTION AND
RESPONSE IS THEN REVIEWED.
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>> Maio: WE LOG EVERY SINGLE
QUESTION THAT'S ASKED OF THE
SYSTEM, AND SEE IF THERE IS A
BETTER RESPONSE THAT ADDRESSES
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THAT QUESTION MORE DIRECTLY.
>> Stahl: AS WE DISCOVERED, IT'S
STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS.
TELL US ABOUT YOUR FAMILY WHEN
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YOU WERE A LITTLE BOY.
>> Gutter: HOW ABOUT YOU ASK ME
ABOUT LIFE AFTER THE WAR?
>> Smith: SO, COUPLE OF THINGS
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ABOUT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
IT IS MAINLY ARTIFICIAL AND NOT
SO INTELLIGENT.
>> Maio: JUST YET, FOR NOW.
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>> Smith: BUT THE BEAUTY OF
ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS THAT
IT DEVELOPS OVER TIME.
SO WE AREN'T CHANGING THE
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CONTENT.
ALL THE ANSWERS REMAIN THE SAME.
BUT OVER TIME, THE RANGE OF
QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN ASK WILL
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BE ENHANCED CONSIDERABLY.
>> Stahl: AND YOU HAD TO STAY
SILENT?
QUESTIONS TO DRAW OUT WHAT IT
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WAS LIKE FOR AARON ELSTER HIDING
IN THAT ATTIC 75 YEARS AGO.
>> Elster: I USED TO PRAY TO GOD
TO LET ME LIVE UNTIL I WAS 25.
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I WANTED TO TASTE WHAT ADULTHOOD
WOULD BE LIKE.
>> Stahl: THE REST OF THAT
CONVERSATION WITH AARON ELSTER,
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AS WELL AS ONE WITH A SURVIVOR
OF JOSEF MENGELE'S INFAMOUS TWIN
EXPERIMENTS AT AUSCHWITZ, WHEN
WE COME BACK.
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>> Elster: SO, AM I A LUCKY GUY?
YES, I AM.
( TICKING )
>> Stahl: THE WHOLE POINT OF THE
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SHOAH FOUNDATION'S PROJECT IS TO
ALLOW MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS
WITH HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS TO
CONTINUE EVEN AFTER THE
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SURVIVORS THEMSELVES ARE GONE.
AND, OF THE MORE THAN 50 MEN AND
WOMEN WHO'VE PARTICIPATED SO
FAR, SIX HAVE PASSED AWAY
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ALREADY.
TONIGHT, WE WANTED TO SHARE
CONVERSATIONS WITH TWO OF THEM--
CONVERSATIONS THAT, AT TIMES,
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FELT SO NORMAL WE COULD ALMOST
FORGET WE WERE TALKING TO THE
DIGITAL IMAGE OF SOMEONE WHO WAS
NO LONGER LIVING.
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FIRST, A SPUNKY, 4'9" WOMAN
NAMED EVA KOR-- AN IDENTICAL
TWIN WHO, TOGETHER WITH HER
SISTER, SURVIVED AUSCHWITZ AND
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THE NOTORIOUS EXPERIMENTS OF DR.
JOSEF MENGELE.
EVA KOR SPENT HER LIFE AFTER THE
WAR IN TERRE HAUTE, INDIANA.
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SHE DIED LAST SUMMER AT THE AGE
OF 85.
HI, EVA.
HOW ARE YOU TODAY?
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>> Eva Kor: I'M FINE, AND HOW
ARE YOU?
>> Stahl: I'M GOOD.
IT FELT NATURAL TO ANSWER HER
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QUESTION BEFORE POSING MY OWN.
SO, HOW OLD WERE YOU WHEN YOU
WENT TO AUSCHWITZ?
>> Kor: WHEN I ARRIVED IN
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AUSCHWITZ, I WAS TEN YEARS OLD.
AND I STAYED IN AUSCHWITZ UNTIL
LIBERATION, WHICH WAS ABOUT NINE
MONTHS LATER WHEN WE WERE
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LIBERATED.
>> Smith: SO WE MADE A LITTLE
ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE FACT WE
WERE STARTING THIS PROJECT.
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I GET A CALL THE NEXT DAY FROM A
LADY CALLED EVA KOR.
I DIDN'T KNOW HER AT THAT POINT
IN TIME.
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AND SHE SAYS, "I WANT TO BE ONE
OF THOSE 3-D INTERVIEWS."
>> Maio: "I WANT TO BE A
HOLOGRAM."
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>> Smith: "--A HOLOGRAM."
I WANT TO BE A HOLOGRAM.
>> Stahl: STEPHEN SMITH,
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE U.S.C.
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SHOAH FOUNDATION, AND HIS WIFE
AND COLLEAGUE HEATHER MAIO
SMITH, WERE RUNNING THE PROJECT.
>> Smith: I SAID, "WELL, I'M
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TRAVELING, I'M VERY SORRY."
"WHERE'RE YOU GOING?"
"OH, WELL, I'VE GOT TO GO TO NEW
YORK.
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I'M GOING TO D.C."
"WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO
D.C.?
I'M GOING TO D.C."
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TURNS OUT WE WERE GOING TO THE
SAME EVENT IN D.C.
I ARRIVE AT MY HOTEL, SHE'S
SITTING IN THE LOBBY, WAITING
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FOR ME.
>> Stahl: WHEN EVA, ON THE
RIGHT, AND HER TWIN SISTER
MIRIAM ARRIVED AT AUSCHWITZ,
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THEY WERE PULLED AWAY FROM THEIR
PARENTS AND OLDER SISTERS AND
TAKEN TO A BARRACK FULL OF
TWINS.
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THEY NEVER SAW THEIR FAMILY
AGAIN.
"60 MINUTES" REPORTED ON
MENGELE'S TWIN EXPERIMENTS IN A
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STORY BACK IN 1992, AND WE
ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED THE LIVING
EVA KOR AT HER HOME IN TERRE
HAUTE.
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EVA TOLD US THEN ABOUT BECOMING
EXTREMELY SICK AFTER AN
INJECTION.
>> Kor: MENGELE CAME IN EVERY
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MORNING AND EVERY EVENING, WITH
FOUR OTHER DOCTORS, AND HE
DECLARED, VERY SARCASTICALLY,
LAUGHING, "TOO BAD.
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SHE'S SO YOUNG.
SHE HAS ONLY TWO WEEKS TO LIVE."
WHEN I HEARD THAT, I KNEW HE WAS
RIGHT AND I IMMEDIATELY MADE A
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SIENT PLEDGE THAT I WOULD PROVE
YOU, DR. MENGELE, WRONG.
>> Stahl: IMAGINE PICKING UP A
CONVERSATION ALMOST 30 YEARS
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LATER-- AND AFTER EVA'S DEATH.
EVA, TELL US ABOUT DR. MENGELE.
WHAT WAS HE LIKE?
>> Kor: HE HAD A GORGEOUS FACE,
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A MOVIE STAR FACE, AND VERY
PLEASANT, ACTUALLY.
DARK HAIR, DARK EYES.
WHEN I LOOKED INTO HIS EYES, I
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COULD SEE NOTHING BUT EVIL.
PEOPLE SAY THAT THE EYES ARE THE
CENTER OF THE SOUL, AND IN
MENGELE'S CASE, THAT WAS
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CORRECT.
>> Stahl: EVA AND MIRIAM ARE
VISIBLE IN FOOTAGE TAKEN BY THE
SOVIET FORCES THAT LIBERATED
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AUSCHWITZ 77 YEARS AGO.
THEY WENT BACK TO THE CAMP MANY
TIMES; EVA CONTINUING TO GO EVEN
AFTER MIRIAM'S DEATH IN 1993.
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>> BECAUSE THE TRAIN CAME ON
THAT DIRECTION.
>> Stahl: IT WAS ON ONE OF THOSE
VISITS THAT EVA MADE A STUNNING
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ANNOUNCEMENT:
>> Kor: I, EVA MOSES KOR...
>> Stahl: THAT SHE HAD DECIDED
TO FORGIVE HER NAZI CAPTORS.
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>> Kor: ...HEREBY GIVE AMNESTY
TO ALL NAZIS WHO PARTICIPATED...
>> Stahl: SHE CAME UNDER
BLISTERING ATTACK FROM OTHER
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SURVIVORS.
HOW CAN YOU FORGIVE?
HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
>> Kor: MY FORGIVENESS DOES NOT
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MEAN THAT I FORGET WHAT
HAPPENED, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE.
MY FORGIVENESS IS AN ACT OF
SELF-HEALING, SELF-LIBERATION,
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AND SELF-EMPOWERMENT.
>> Stahl: ARE YOU ABLE TO
FORGIVE, AARON?
>> Elster: I CANNOT FORGIVE.
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>> Stahl: AARON ELSTER
DISAGREES.
>> Elster: FOR THEM TO GET
FORGIVENESS, THEY HAVE TO ASK MY
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LITTLE SISTER, SARAH, WHOM THEY
BRUTALLY MURDERED.
I HAVE NO RIGHT TO FORGIVE, AND
I WILL NOT FORGIVE.
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>> Smith: WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR
ME IN THIS PROJECT IS THAT WE
HAVE HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS WHO
HAVE DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW
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ABOUT GOD AND RELIGION AND FAITH
AND FORGIVENESS.
AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROJECT
WILL ALLOW US TO DO.
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>> Stahl: AARON ELSTER, UNLIKE
MANY HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS, NEVER
SPENT TIME IN A CONCENTRATION
CAMP.
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AS JEWS WERE BEING ROUNDED UP IN
HIS TOWN'S MARKETPLACE AND SENT
TO TREBLINKA, HIS FATHER TOLD
HIM TO RUN.
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HE WAS NINE YEARS OLD.
>> Elster: AND I MANAGED TO
CRAWL INTO THE SEWER THAT RAN
ALONG THE MARKETPLACE, THE
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STREET, AND KEPT CRAWLING UNTIL
I FELT I WAS OUT OF SIGHT, STOOD
UP AND STARTED RUNNING.
>> Stahl: HE MADE IT TO THE
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BUILDING OF AN OLDER POLISH
COUPLE NAMED THE GURSKIS, WHO'D
BEEN CUSTOMERS AT HIS FAMILY'S
BUTCHER SHOP.
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>> Maio: HE SHOWS UP.
AND SHE DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE HIM.
HE STARTED CRYING.
AND THEN SHE LED HIM UPSTAIRS.
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>> Stahl: AARON, HOW LONG DID
YOU STAY IN THE ATTIC?
>> Elster: I LIVED IN THAT ATTIC
FOR CLOSE TO TWO YEARS.
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>> Stahl: TWO YEARS, WITH JUST
ONE VISIT A DAY TO BRING FOOD
AND WATER.
WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN THE ATTIC?
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>> Elster: OH, THERE'S SO MANY
THINGS THAT I REMEMBER.
THE HUNGER, THE FEAR, THE
ABSOLUTE, TOTAL LONELINESS.
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WHAT DO YOU DO ALL DAY?
YOU'RE SITTING THERE.
I USED TO CATCH FLIES, OUT OF
DESPERATION, AND TEAR THEIR
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WINGS OFF, SO THEY WOULDN'T FLY
AWAY, SO I HAD THEM THERE.
>> Stahl: HOW DID YOU SURVIVE?
HOW DID YOU SURVIVE IN THAT
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ATTIC?
>> Elster: I HAD THE ABILITY TO
DAYDREAM.
I USED TO WRITE NOVELS IN MY
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HEAD.
I WAS THE HERO ALL THE TIME.
AND WE HAVE THAT ABILITY-- TO
EITHER GIVE IN TO OUR MISERY AND
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OUR PAIN AND DIE, OR ABSORB THE
PHYSICAL PAIN BY KEEP YOUR
MENTALITY, KEEP YOUR SOUL, KEEP
YOUR MIND.
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SO, WAS I BORED?
WAS I SCARED?
WAS I IN NEED OF SOMEBODY TO
ACCEPT ME OR TO TELL ME THAT I'M
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OKAY, THAT I'M A NICE KID?
SURE.
BUT THAT WAS NOT PART OF MY
LIFE.
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>> Smith: WE GOT A PHONE CALL TO
SAY THAT AARON ELSTER HAD
SUDDENLY PASSED AWAY.
I WAS AT A CONFERENCE AT THAT
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TIME.
SO THE NEXT MORNING, I WENT INTO
THE-- LITTLE ROOM THAT WE HAD,
AND I TURNED ON AARON ELSTER'S
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TESTIMONY.
AND I REALIZED I WAS GOING TO BE
THE FIRST PERSON EVER TO CLICK
THAT LITTLE BUTTON AND ASK A
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QUESTION OF SOMEBODY WHO WAS NO
LONGER ALIVE.
AND FOR THE NEXT SIX HOURS,
PEOPLE CAME IN AND OUT OF THAT
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ROOM.
HIS FUNERAL HAD NOT YET TAKEN
PLACE, AND YET THE LEGACY WAS
ALREADY CONTINUING.
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AND IT WAS A VERY POWERFUL AND
TOUCHING MOMENT.
>> Maio: YOU'RE GOOD.
YOU'RE DOING GREAT.
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>> Stahl: A TOUCHING MOMENT THAT
MAY SOON BE AVAILABLE TO OTHERS
BEYOND THE COMMUNITY OF
HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS.
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>> Maio: THEY'RE GOING TO COME
IN, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE
YOU LOOK.
>> Stahl: HEATHER MAIO SMITH
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SAYS, IN THE PROCESS OF
DEVELOPING AND TESTING THIS
TECHNOLOGY, SHE WAS BARRAGED
WITH INQUIRIES.
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>> Maio: THERE WASN'T ONE
PERSON-- LITERALLY, NOT ONE--
THAT DIDN'T ASK ME IF THEY COULD
DO A SIMILAR INTERVIEW WITH
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EITHER A LOVED ONE, OR FOR
THEMSELVES.
>> Stahl: UNRELATED TO THE
HOLOCAUST?
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>> Maio: UNRELATED, COMPLETELY
UNRELATED.
"CAN I DO THIS WITH SOMEONE THAT
I KNOW?"
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>> Stahl: WHAT'S THE ANSWER?
>> Maio: YES.
>> Stahl: SHE HAS STARTED AN
INDEPENDENT COMPANY THAT IS
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TRYING TO EXPAND THE USE OF THIS
TECHNOLOGY.
>> I WAS AN ASTRONAUT FOR NASA.
>> Stahl: ...RECORDING
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INTERVIEWS WITH OTHER HISTORICAL
FIGURES LIKE ASTRONAUTS, AND
EVENTUALLY, WITH ANYONE AT ALL.
>> Maio: WHAT UNIT WERE YOU IN?
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>> Stahl: SO DO YOU THINK THAT
THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A TOOL
THAT PEOPLE WILL USE?
EVERYBODY WILL BE RECORDING
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THEIR HISTORIES--
>> Maio: INTERACTIVELY.
>> Stahl: --AND OTHER PEOPLE CAN
INTERVIEW THEM?
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>> Maio: UH-HUH.
>> Stahl: IT'LL JUST BE LIFE?
>> Maio: YEAH.
>> WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND
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GET STARTED.
>> Stahl: FOR NOW, THOUGH, THE
RACE IS ON TO CAPTURE INTERVIEWS
WITH AS MANY HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS
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AS POSSIBLE WHILE THERE'S STILL
TIME, SO THE CONVERSATIONS CAN
CONTINUE, ALWAYS, WITH PEOPLE
LIKE AARON ELSTER.
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DO YOU WANT REVENGE?
>> Elster: WHEN I WAS A
YOUNGSTER, I WANTED REVENGE
VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH.
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AND I HATED.
I HATED.
BUT MOST OF THE PERPETRATORS,
MOST OF THE KILLERS ARE DEAD.
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SO WHO AM I GOING TO HATE?
THE GRANDCHILDREN THAT HAD
NOTHING TO DO WITH?
IT'S NOT RIGHT.
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REVENGE IS NOT PART OF MY LIFE,
NOT PART OF MY THINKING.
>> Stahl: YOU KNOW, HERE YOU
HAVE THESE PEOPLE WHO WERE
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BASICALLY DESTINED TO BE
ANNIHILATED.
THAT THEY SURVIVED IS THE
MIRACLE.
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BUT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE
MURDERED, KILLED.
AND NOW THEY HAVE IMMORTALITY.
>> Smith: THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED
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TO HAVE A NAME.
THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE
DESTROYED FOR ALL TIME.
AND NOW, THROUGH THIS PROGRAM,
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THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO
ANSWER QUESTIONS HUNDREDS OF
YEARS AFTER THE NAZIS HAVE GONE.
>> Stahl: IT'S THAT "NEVER
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FORGET."
>> Smith: WE'VE HAD A LOT OF
CLICHEEÉS AROUND THE HOLOCAUST.
YOU KNOW, "NEVER AGAIN, NEVER
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FORGET, WE MUST REMEMBER," ALL
THIS SORT OF THING.
WHAT THIS DOES, IT MAKES SURE
THAT THERE ISN'T CLOSURE,
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BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT A
STATEMENT.
IT'S NOT ABOUT A PARTICULAR
THING THAT'S BEING INSTRUCTED OF
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YOU.
THE ONUS IS ON YOU TO ASK THE
QUESTIONS.
THE ONUS IS ON YOU TO BE
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CURIOUS, AND TO WANT TO KNOW.
AND SO, IN A SENSE, IT TURNS THE
LEARNING ON ITS HEAD AND SAYS,
"I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT
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THE LESSONS OF THE HOLOCAUST
ARE.
I'M NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT
THE HOLOCAUST MEANS.
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BUT IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT,
THEN YOU CAN ASK."
>> Gutter: IT'S SO TERRIBLY
IMPORTANT.
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>> Stahl: SO THERE WE WERE, AT A
SPECIAL MOMENT IN TIME WHEN THE
LIVING PINCHAS GUTTER COULD TALK
TO THE ONE WHO WILL LIVE
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FOREVER.
WOULD YOU ASK YOU A QUESTION FOR
US?
>> Gutter: I WILL ASK THE ONE
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WHICH IS MY FAVORITE.
>> Stahl: OKAY.
>> Gutter: CAN YOU SING ME A
SONG FROM YOUR YOUTH?
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YOU WANT ME TO SING IT FOR YOU?
YES, PLEASE.
♪ ♪ ♪
( SINGING IN POLISH )
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♪ ♪ ♪
♪ ♪ ♪
>> Stahl: WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
WHAT IS THE SONG?
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IS IT A HAPPY SONG?
>> Gutter: YEAH, WELL, IT'S A
HAPPY SONG.
IT'S LIKE A BROTHER AND A
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SISTER-- WHICH, OF COURSE, MY
TWIN SISTER-- ARE TRAVELING IN
THE WOODS OR ON THE-- ON THE
ROAD, AND THEY CAN'T GET OVER
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HOW BEAUTIFUL THE WORLD IS.
>> Stahl: OH MY GOD.
♪ ♪ ♪
( SINGING IN POLISH )
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♪ ♪ ♪
( TIC
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( TICKING )
>> Stahl: ON JANUARY 6 LAST
YEAR, WHEN AN ANGRY MOB TRIED
AND FAILED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM
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CERTIFYING THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL
ELECTION, THE INSURRECTION'S
ONLY SUCCESS WAS TO FURTHER
POLARIZE A COUNTRY ALREADY
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DIVIDED.
THIS PAST JANUARY, NORAH
O'DONNELL INTRODUCED US TO
SOMEONE ATTEMPTING TO BRIDGE
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THAT DIVIDE.
DAVE ISAY HAS CREATED A PROGRAM
CALLED “ONE SMALL STEP” TO GET
AMERICANS FROM ACROSS THE
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POLITICAL SPECTRUM TO STOP
DEMONIZING ONE ANOTHER AND START
COMMUNICATING FACE TO FACE, ONE
CONVERSATION AT A TIME.“
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ONE SMALL STEP” GREW OUT OF“
STORYCORPS," THE ORAL HISTORY
PROJECT DAVE ISAY FOUNDED 18
YEARS AGO.
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IT HAS TAPED MORE THAN HALF A
MILLION AMERICANS TELLING THEIR
STORIES, TO BECOME THE LARGEST
SINGLE COLLECTION OF HUMAN
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VOICES EVER RECORDED, WITH ONE
AIM AT ITS CORE.
>> Dave Isay: WHAT IF WE JUST
GIVE THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THE
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CHANCE TO BE LISTENED TO AND
HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT, YOU
KNOW, WHO THEY ARE?
>> Norah O'Donnell: DO YOU THINK
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PART OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING
IN AMERICA IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SO
ANGRY BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL
LIKE ANYBODY'S LISTENING TO
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THEM?
>> Isay: YEAH.
I THINK PEOPLE FEEL-- PEOPLE
FEEL MISUNDERSTOOD AND JUDGED
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AND UNHEARD.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS EVER, IN
THE-- IN THE HISTORY OF
HUMANITY, NO-- NOBODY'S EVER
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CHANGED THEIR MIND BECAUSE-- BY
BEING CALLED AN IDIOT OR A MORON
OR A SNOWFLAKE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MANY MINDS HAVE
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BEEN CHANGED BY BEING LISTENED
TO, BY CONVERSATION, BEING TOLD
THAT THEY'RE LOVED.
>> O'Donnell: SOMETHING THAT WE
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WOULD ALL CONSIDER MAYBE SO
SIMPLE IS SO POWERFUL.
>> Isay: YEAH, BEING TOLD THAT,
ALL OF OUR STORIES MATTER
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EQUALLY AND INFINITELY, IS-- YOU
KNOW, IS-- IS SOMETHING EVERYONE
NEEDS TO HEAR.
>> O'Donnell: DAVE ISAY SEEMS TO
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ALWAYS BE LISTENING, ALWAYS
TAKING NOTES, EVEN DURING OUR
INTERVIEW.
HE TOLD US JOURNALISM SHOULD BE
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A PUBLIC SERVICE, AND NOW HOPES
THAT "ONE SMALL STEP" CAN HELP
END WHAT HE CALLS THE "CULTURE
OF CONTEMPT" THAT IS TEARING
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APART THE COUNTRY.
>> Isay: THE SITUATION IS SO BAD
THAT, YOU KNOW, IF-- IF THE
CULTURE OF CONTEMPT WINS--
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THINGS ARE JUST NOT GOING TO END
WELL FOR THE UNITED STATES.
>> O'Donnell: WHAT'S FUELING THE
CULTURE OF CONTEMPT?
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>> Isay: IT'S MEDIA.
IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA.
I MEAN, THERE'S A MULTI-MULTI-
MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR HATE
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INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, WHERE
PEOPLE-- YOU KNOW, CAN MAKE
MONEY BY MAKING US HATE AND FEAR
EACH OTHER.
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IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DAVID AND
GOLIATH FIGHT HERE.
>> O'Donnell: LONG BEFORE HE
STARTED STORYCORPS AND "ONE
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SMALL STEP," DAVE ISAY FOUGHT TO
TELL STORIES OF THE FORGOTTEN BY
MAKING RADIO DOCUMENTARIES IN
FLOPHOUSES, COAL MINES, AND
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PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECTS.
>> Isay: I NEED YOU GUYS FROM
HERE ON IN TO BE, LIKE, REALLY
ON TOP OF STUFF.
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>> O'Donnell: HE FIRST APPEARED
ON "60 MINUTES" NEARLY 25 YEARS
AGO, IN A STORY WITH LESLEY
STAHL ABOUT TWO TEENAGERS FROM
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CHICAGO WHO MADE THEIR OWN
DOCUMENTARY WITH HIS HELP.
THE PAIR WON A PEABODY AWARD,
ONE OF THE HIGHEST HONORS IN
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BROADCASTING.
>> Teenager: THANK YOU.
>> O'Donnell: IN 2003, HE GOT
THE IDEA FOR STORYCORPS.
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>> Isay: EVERYBODY-- MY FAMILY,
EVERYBODY, THOUGHT IT WAS
ABSOLUTELY INSANE.
YOU KNOW, WE-- ( LAUGHTER )
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WE STARTED WITH A BOOTH IN GRAND
CENTRAL TERMINAL.
AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE IDEA.
YOU COME TO THE BOOTH WITH YOUR
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GRANDMOTHER, WITH ANYONE WHO YOU
WANT TO HONOR BY LISTENING TO
THEM.
SO PEOPLE THINK OF IT AS, "IF I
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HAD 40 MINUTES LEFT TO LIVE,
WHAT WOULD I SAY TO THIS PERSON
WHO MEANS SO MUCH TO ME?"
>> O'Donnell: TO ATTRACT PEOPLE,
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HE REACHED OUT TO THE PEOPLE'S
LIBRARY-- SPECIFICALLY THE
DIRECTOR OF THE LIBRARY OF
CONGRESS' AMERICAN FOLKLIFE
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CENTER.
>> Isay: AND I SAID, "I'M GOING
TO TRY AND RECORD THE WHOLE
COUNTRY.
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WILL YOU ACCEPT THE MATERIAL?"
AND SHE SAID THOSE MAGICAL THREE
LETTERS, "YES."
( LAUGHS )
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AND THAT WAS IT.
AND HERE WE ARE.
>> O'Donnell: THE STORYCORPS
ARCHIVE IS IN GOOD COMPANY AT
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WHAT IS THE LARGEST LIBRARY IN
THE WORLD.
OTHER TREASURES HERE INCLUDE A
RARE GUTENBERG BIBLE, AS WELL AS
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A DRAFT OF THE DECLARATION OF
INDEPENDENCE HANDWRITTEN BY
THOMAS JEFFERSON, AND A
PRELIMINARY DRAFT OF PRESIDENT
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LINCOLN'S EMANCIPATION
PROCLAMATION.
DR. CARLA HAYDEN SERVES AS THE
LIBRARIAN OF CONGRESS.
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UNTIL RECENTLY IT WAS A LIFETIME
APPOINTMENT, SO ONLY 14 PEOPLE
HAVE HELD THE JOB SINCE 1802.
HOW DOES HAVING STORYCORPS HERE
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FIT INTO YOUR VISION FOR THE
LIBRARY OF CONGRESS?
>> Dr. Carla Hayden: STORYCORPS
IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF ADDING
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HISTORY AND CONTEXT AND THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO MAKE HISTORY.
NOT JUST THE ONES THAT WE SEE ON
THE NEWS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
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PART OF THE FABRIC OF OUR
AMERICAN LIFE.
THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE-- WHAT DID
THEY FEEL, WHAT DO THEY BELIEVE?
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>> O'Donnell: TO TRY TO FIND
OUT, STORYCORPS ROLLED OUT A
MOBILE BOOTH IN 2005 TO TRAVEL
THE COUNTRY.
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THEY ALSO LAUNCHED PARTNERSHIPS
AND STORY COLLECTION PROGRAMS IN
MULTIPLE AMERICAN CITIES.
>> Isay: THIS IS DAVE ISAY,
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FOUNDER OF STORYCORPS.
>> O'Donnell: WHEN THE PANDEMIC
HIT, THEY CREATED A NEW WAY FOR
PEOPLE TO SUBMIT STORIES ONLINE.
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>> Isay: SHARE YOUR INTERVIEW
FAR AND WIDE, AND KNOW THAT
SOMEDAY, FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL
BE LISTENING.
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>> O'Donnell: EVERY FRIDAY, FOR
THE LAST 16 YEARS, NATIONAL
PUBLIC RADIO SENDS ONE STORY
INTO THE HOMES, HEADPHONES, AND
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CARS OF SIX MILLION PEOPLE.
>> Steve Inskeep: HEY, IT'S
FRIDAY, WHICH IS WHEN WE HEAR
FROM STORYCORPS.
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>> O'Donnell: WE WERE RECENTLY
AT NPR'S WASHINGTON STUDIO TO
HEAR "MORNING EDITION" HOST
STEVE INSKEEP INTRODUCE THE
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STORY OF MIGUEL ENCINIAS, A
DECORATED FIGHTER PILOT WHO
PASSED AWAY IN 2016 AT THE AGE
OF 92.
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>> Inskeep: HE SERVED AS A U.S.
MILITARY PILOT IN WORLD WAR II
AND KOREA AND VIETNAM.
TWO OF HIS CHILDREN, ISABEL AND
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JUAN PABLO ENCINIAS, CAME TO
STORYCORPS TO REMEMBER HIM.
>> Isabel Encinias: WHEN I WAS
LITTLE, I REMEMBER HIM FLYING IN
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HIS FIGHTER JET AND US WAITING
FOR HIM ON THE TARMAC AND
THINKING, "OH MY GOD, WHAT A
HERO MY FATHER IS."
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>> Juan-Pablo Encinias: AS HE
GOT OLDER, HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
DEMENTIA.
BUT EVEN AT THE END, WHEN HE
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COGNITIVELY WASN'T ALL THERE, HE
WOULD HEAR A PLANE AND JUST LOOK
UP AND STARE AT IT IN THE SKY.
AND YOU COULD TELL THAT HE JUST
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WANTED TO BE UP IN THAT PLANE
WITH EVERY OUNCE OF HIS BEING.
>> Isabel Encinias: MAYBE HE'S
LISTENING TO US SOMEWHERE UP
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THERE.
( LAUGHS )
>> Juan-Pablo Encinias: I HOPE
SO.
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>> Isay: SOMETIMES, IN AN
INTERVIEW, YOU CAN ALMOST SEE
SPARKS FLYING OUT OF SOMEONE'S
MOUTH.
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THERE'S-- THERE'S JUST THIS KIND
OF MAGNIFICENCE AND GRACE TO THE
STORY.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU
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JUST-- IT-- IT ALMOST DEMANDS TO
BE SHARED WITH A LARGER
AUDIENCE.
>> O'Donnell: IN 2010,
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STORYCORPS BEGAN TO ANIMATE
CONVERSATIONS TO BE VIEWED BY
NEW AUDIENCES ONLINE, LIKE THIS
ONE, RECORDED IN MISSISSIPPI,
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BETWEEN ALBERT SYKES AND HIS
NINE-YEAR-OLD SON AIDAN.
>> Aidan Sykes: ARE YOU PROUD OF
ME?
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>> Albert Sykes: OF COURSE.
YOU MY MAN.
I-- I JUST LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT
YOU, PERIOD.
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>> Aidan Sykes: THE THING I LOVE
ABOUT YOU-- YOU NEVER GIVE UP ON
ME.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL
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ALWAYS REMEMBER ABOUT MY DAD.
>> O'Donnell: HAVE YOU THOUGHT
ABOUT SELLING KLEENEXES?
( LAUGHS )
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YU COULD MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
>> Isay: WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO
GET KLEENEX AS A SPONSOR, BUT
THEY'VE NEVER AGREED.
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( LAUGHS )
>> O'Donnell: ONLY A TINY
FRACTION OF STORYCORPS' HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS OF STORIES EVER
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MAKE IT ONTO THE RADIO.
THEY'RE SELECTED BY STORYCORPS'
FACILITATORS, WHO MAKE UP THE
ACTUAL CORPS OF STORYCORPS.
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>> Facilitator: ONCE I PRESS
RECORD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU
INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
>> O'Donnell: FACILITATORS ARE
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TRAINED IN BOTH THE ART AND THE
TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF STORY
COLLECTION.
>> Facilitator: WONDERFUL.
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>> O'Donnell: JASON REYNOLDS
SERVES ON STORYCORPS' BOARD OF
DIRECTORS.
HE'S ALSO ONE OF THE MOST
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POPULAR AND CELEBRATED YOUNG
ADULT AUTHORS IN THE COUNTRY.
16 YEARS AGO, FRESH OUT OF
COLLEGE, HE WAS A FACILITATOR
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WHO CONDUCTED CLOSE TO 300
STORYCORPS SESSIONS OVER 18
MONTHS.
>> Jason Reynolds: I FELT LIKE I
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WAS PRIVY TO SOMETHING SPECIAL,
SOMETHING SACRED, YOU KNOW, AND
SOMETHING THAT WOULD LAST
FOREVER.
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YOU KNOW, AND NO ONE WOULD KNOW
THAT I'M IN THE ROOM, RIGHT?
BUT I WAS IN THE ROOM FOR SOME
OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL TALES I'VE
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EVER HEARD.
>> O'Donnell: SO IT SOUNDS LIKE
WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE BOOTH IS
VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PEOPLE
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MAY HEAR ON THE RADIO?
>> Reynolds: ABSOLUTELY.
SOMETIMES YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR
THE ANXIETY OF IT ALL.
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AND OTHER TIMES, YOU CAN HEAR--
THE GENTLE TENDERNESS OF HUMAN
BEINGS.
>> Isay: I THINK STORYCORPS AND
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THE FACILITATORS, THEY GET TO
SEE, YOU KNOW, WHO WE REALLY ARE
AS AMERICANS, AND IT'S NOT WHAT
YOU SEE ON 24-HOUR NEWS.
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>> O'Donnell: AROUND THE TIME OF
THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION,
DAVE ISAY SAYS HE GOT THE IDEA
FOR A NEW KIND OF STORYCORPS
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THAT COULD PERHAPS HELP UNITE A
COUNTRY BECOMING INCREASINGLY
DIVIDED.
HE DECIDED TO CALL IT "ONE SMALL
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STEP."
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
REGULAR STORYCORPS AND ONE SMALL
STEP?
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>> Isay: SO, EVERY REGULAR
STORYCORPS INTERVIEW ARE PEOPLE
WHO KNOW AND LOVE EACH OTHER.
AND EVERY ONE SMALL STEP
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INTERVIEW ARE STRANGERS.
AND IN THE CASE OF ONE SMALL
STEP, IT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE ACROSS
THE POLITICAL DIVIDE.
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>> Facilitator: SO, AFTER YOU
READ EACH OTHER'S BIOS, I'M
GOING TO ASK, WHY DID YOU WANT
TO DO THE INTERVIEW TODAY?
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>> Isay: SO, WE MATCH STRANGERS
WHO DISAGREE POLITICALLY, TO PUT
THEM FACE-TO-FACE FOR 50
MINUTES.
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IT'S NOT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS;
IT'S JUST TO TALK ABOUT YOUR
LIVES.
>> O'Donnell: FACILITATORS BEGIN
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BY ASKING THE PARTICIPANTS TO
READ ONE ANOTHER'S BIOGRAPHY OUT
LOUD, AS IN THIS RECENT SESSION
IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.
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THE PROJECT TRIES TO MATCH
PEOPLE WHO MAY BE FROM DIFFERENT
POLITICAL PARTIES, BUT HAVE
SOMETHING ELSE IN COMMON.
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>> Brenda Brown-Grooms: "HI.
I GREW UP AS AN ARMY BRAT AND--
AND EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN,
SURROUNDED BY A VERY POWERFUL
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IDEOLOGY OF CONSERVATISM,
PATRIOTISM, AND RELIGION."
>> Nicole Unice: "I AM A BAPTIST
PASTOR AND PERFORMANCE ARTIST, A
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NATIVE CHARLOTTESVILLIAN,
GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF
VIRGINIA, AND UNION THEOLOGICAL
SEMINARY IN NEW YORK CITY."
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>> O'Donnell: PARTICIPANTS ARE
ENCOURAGED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THEY
SHARE.
>> Brown-Grooms: WE'RE PASTORS,
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AND WE'RE-- WE-- WE'RE HELPING
PEOPLE TO FIND THEIR PATH AND
FIND THEIR VOICE.
>> Unice: OH, BRENDA, I LOVE
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WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT HELPING
PEOPLE FIND THEIR PATH, BECAUSE
I FEEL SUCH A CONNECTION THERE.
>> O'Donnell: THE FORMAT IS
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DERIVED FROM A PSYCHOLOGICAL
CONCEPT DEVELOPED IN THE 1950s
CALLED CONTACT THEORY.
>> Isay: WHICH SAYS THAT WHEN
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YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE
ENEMIES, AND YOU PUT THEM FACE-
TO-FACE UNDER VERY, VERY
SPECIFIC CONDITIONS-- AND THEY
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HAVE A CONVERSATION AND A KIND
OF VISCERAL, EMOTIONAL
EXPERIENCE WITH EACH OTHER, THAT
HATE CAN MELT AWAY.
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AND PEOPLE CAN SEE EACH OTHER IN
A NEW WAY.
>> Unice: I'M HERE BECAUSE I
THOUGHT, "I WANT TO BE A PART OF
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A BETTER WORLD FOR OUR CHILDREN
AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN."
>> Brown-Grooms: YEAH.
YEAH.
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I CAN'T SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD,
BUT I CAN DO MY PART WHERE I AM.
AND, DAGNABBIT, I'M GOING TO.
( LAUGHS )
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>> O'Donnell: ONE SMALL STEP
JUST CROSSED THE NOT-SO-SMALL
MILESTONE OF COMPLETING 1,000
SESSIONS, AND THERE ARE OVER
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6,000 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING
LIST.
>> Isay: SO, I'M JUST GOING TO
GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN ON
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WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH ONE
SMALL STEP SINCE WE LAST SPOKE.
>> O'Donnell: ONCE A MONTH, DAVE
ISAY MEETS WITH WHAT HE CALLS
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ONE SMALL STEP'S BRAIN-TRUST.
IT INCLUDES SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY
PROFESSORS FROM YALE AND
COLUMBIA, FORMER POLITICAL
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ADVISERS FROM BOTH THE RIGHT AND
THE LEFT...
>> Member: I LIKE HOW YOU CAN'T
TELL WHO'S A DEMOCRAT AND WHO'S
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A REPUBLICAN.
>> O'Donnell: ...AND POLLSTERS
WHO'VE FOUND DATA TO SUPPORT THE
IDEA THAT THERE IS AN "EXHAUSTED
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MAJORITY" IN AMERICA.
>> Isay: THEY'RETIRED, THEY'RE
SCARED, THEY'RE SICK OF THE
DIVISION, AND THEY WANT TO
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FIGURE OUT A WAY OUT.
AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT--
WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM A WAY
OUT.
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>> O'Donnell: DAVE ISAY MAKES IT
A POINT TO VENTURE OUTSIDE OF
STORYCORPS' HOME TURF ON NPR TO
INCREASE THE PROJECT'S REACH.
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>> Tucker Carlson: I HAVE NO
IDEA WHAT YOUR POLITICS ARE,
WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I
LIKE YOU SO MUCH, BECAUSE I
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DON'T THINK YOU ARE PRIMARILY
POLITICAL.
YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN
BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
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>> O'Donnell: YOU ACTIVELY SEEK
OUT MEDIA OUTLETS THAT APPEAL TO
CONSERVATIVES?
>> Isay: YES.
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>> O'Donnell: LIKE TUCKER
CARLSON, GLENN BECK.
>> Isay: YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT MAKES ONE
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SMALL STEP SPECIAL IS THAT ALL
OF US BELIEVE IN EVERY CELL OF
OUR BODY THAT THERE IS A FLAME
OF GOOD IN YOU, WHETHER YOU'RE
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LIBERAL OR WHETHER YOU'RE
CONSERVATIVE.
AND OUR JOB IS TO FAN THAT FLAME
UNTIL IT BECOMES A ROARING FIRE.
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>> Reynolds: I TAKE MY HAT OFF
TO DAVE.
I THINK-- I THINK, ONCE MORE,
HE'S PROVING THAT, LIKE, HE--
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HE-- HE'S WILLING TO WALK THE
WALK.
>> O'Donnell: WHEN YOU HEARD
ABOUT THE ONE SMALL STEP
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INITIATIVE, WHAT DID YOU THINK?
>> Reynolds: IT IS VERY, VERY
DIFFICULT FOR US TO HATE ONE
ANOTHER WHEN I'M LOOKING YOU IN
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THE FACE, AND WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT WHAT WE LIKE TO S-- COOK
OUR CHILDREN FOR DINNER.
AND TALKING ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT
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IT IS TO GET OUR BABIES INTO
COLLEGE.
IT ISN'T AN EASY FIX, IT ISN'T
SOME KIND OF HOCUS POCUS, OR YOU
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KNOW, KUMBAYA, OR IT'S ALL FINE.
IT ISN'T ANY OF THAT.
HE KNOWS THAT.
BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO
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SOMETHING.
>> Isay: OUR DREAM WITH ONE
SMALL STEP IS THAT WE CONVINCE
THE COUNTRY THAT IT'S OUR
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PATRIOTIC DUTY TO SEE THE
HUMANITY IN PEOPLE WITH WHOM WE
DISAGREE.
>> O'Donnell: IT'S GOING TO TAKE
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A LOT OF STORIES TO BRING THIS
COUNTRY TOGETHER.
>> Isay: WE'RE BANKING ON A BIT
OF A MIRACLE HERE.
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YOU JUST DON'T GIVE UP.
( TICKING )
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>> THE STORYCORPS SESSION JASON
REYNOLDS NEVER FORGOT:
>> Reynolds: WHAT A GIFT TO BE
ALLOWED TO WATCH SUCH AN
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INCREDIBLE THING HAPPEN.
>> AT 60minutesovertime.com.
SPONSORED BY COLOGUARD.
( TIC
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( TICKING )
>> Stahl: I'M LESLEY STAHL.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH A
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BRAND-NEW EDITION OF "60