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>> TONIGHT, UKRAINE'S FOREIGN
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MINISTER SPEAKS FRANKLY ABOUT
HIS COUNTRY'S DANGEROUS STARE
DOWN WITH RUSSIA.
IN THE EARLY '90s WHEN THE
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SOVIET UNION BROKE UP AND
UKRAINE BECAME AN INDEPENDENT
COUNTRY, YOU GAVE UP YOUR
NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
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DO YOU ALL LOOK BACK ON THAT AND
SAY, "IT WAS A MISTAKE."
>> I DO.
>> DO YOU FEEL THAT THE UNITED
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STATES OWES YOU?
>> PARTIALLY.
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>> SOMEONE IS TRYING TO SEND US
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A MESSAGE THAT THEY CAN STRIKE
BLOWS AGAINST US AND WE CAN'T
STRIKE BACK.
>> THIS FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY
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OFFICIAL BELIEVES HE WAS
ATTACKED IN WASHINGTON WITH A
MYSTERIOUS WEAPON.
HE'S NOT ALONE.
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THE DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A. AND
THE F.B.I. ARE INVESTIGATING
OTHER INCIDENTS, TWO WERE
REPORTED AT THE WHITE HOUSE.
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IS THE NATIONAL SECURITY
STRUCTURE IN DANGER OF BEING
INCAPACITATED DURING A TIME OF
CRISIS?
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>> NO, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE
CASE.
>> BUT IF PEOPLE ARE BEING
OVERCOME ON WEST EXECUTIVE
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AVENUE, IS THAT AN INDICATION
THAT THE WHITE HOUSE AND ITS
GROUNDS ARE NO LONGER SAFE?
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>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
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>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES, TONIGHT, ON
"60 MINUTES."
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>> Stahl: THE THREAT OF A
RUSSIAN INVASION OF UKRAINE
KEEPS ESCALATING, AS LAST-MINUTE
DIPLOMACY CONTINUES.
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PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN SAYS
UKRAINE BELONGS WITH RUSSIA, AND
WANTS A PROMISE IT WILL NEVER
JOIN NATO, THE WESTERN MILITARY
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ALLIANCE.
BUT HIS SABER-RATTLING HAS
PRODUCED EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS
TRYING TO PREVENT: MORE NATO AND
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U.S. TROOPS IN EASTERN EUROPE.
STILL, YESTERDAY, UKRAINIAN
PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKY
ANGRILY CALLED ON THE WEST TO DO
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MORE, SAYING THIS IS NOT ABOUT
WAR IN UKRAINE, THIS IS ABOUT
WAR IN EUROPE.
TODAY PRESIDENT BIDEN MET WITH
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THE NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL AT
THE WHITE HOUSE, AND SECRETARY
OF STATE BLINKEN REPEATED THE
U.S. VIEW THAT PUTIN'S PLAN TO
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INVADE βIS MOVING FORWARD.β
WE SPOKE LATE IN THE WEEK WITH
THE FOREIGN MINISTER OF UKRAINE,
DMYTRO KULEBA, ABOUT THE CRISIS,
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AT THE FRONT.
>> Dmytro Kuleba: WE STILL SEE A
ROOM FOR DIPLOMACY TO-- LET'S
PUT IT THIS WAY-- DEMOTIVATE
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PRESIDENT PUTIN FROM RESORTING
TO A LARGE MILITARY OPERATION.
>> Stahl: LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT
SOME HINTS THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT
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YOUR GOVERNMENT IS SENDING
SIGNALS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO
ABANDON YOUR AMBITION TO ENTER
NATO, IN OTHER WORDS, TO SATISFY
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ONE OF MR. PUTIN'S BIG DEMANDS.
IS THAT TRUE?
>> Kuleba: NO.
WE ARE NOT SENDING SUCH SIGNALS.
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THE MAJORITY OF UKRAINIANS WANT
UKRAINE TO BECOME A MEMBER OF
NATO.
THE ONLY SIGNAL WE ARE SENDING
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TO THE WORLD IS THAT IF UKRAINE
SUCCEEDS, AND IF RUSSIA PULLS
BACK, IT WILL BE MUCH SAFER FOR
ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC WORLD.
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>> Stahl: ARE YOU FACING ANY
KIND OF PRESSURE FROM THE UNITED
STATES OR ANY OF THE EUROPEAN
NATO MEMBERS THAT YOU SHOULD
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LOOSEN UP ON YOUR INSISTENCE?
>> Kuleba: THERE ARE SOME
COUNTRIES WHO SEND US MESS--
MESSAGES.
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AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT,
AGAIN, UKRAINE IS SEEKING
MEMBERSHIP IN NATO.
>> Stahl: HAS THERE BEEN ANY
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SUBTLE PRESSURE FROM THE UNITED
STATES FOR YOU TO ABANDON YOUR
DESIRE?
>> Kuleba: NO.
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SO FAR, THIS MESSAGE IS CA--
CAME FROM FEW EUROPEAN MEMBERS
OF NATO.
>> Stahl: IS THERE A FEAR THAT
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THIS THING IS WIDENING BEYOND
WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND YOUR
BORDER?
>> Kuleba: THIS THING HAS BEEN
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WIDE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
IT'S NOT ONLY ABOUT UKRAINE.
IT'S A GLOBAL-- IT'S ABOUT A
GLOBAL STRUGGLE BETWEEN
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DEMOCRACIES AND AUTHORITARIAN
REGIMES, BETWEEN THOSE WHO WANT
TO PLAY BY THE RULES AND THOSE
WHO WANT TO REWRITE RULES IN
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THEIR FAVOR.
>> Stahl: YOU KNOW, IN THE EARLY
'90s, WHEN THE SOVIET UNION
BROKE UP AND UKRAINE BECAME AN
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INDEPENDENT COUNTRY, YOU GAVE UP
YOUR NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
YOU HAD A-- A GIANT ARSENAL, I
THINK THE THIRD-LARGEST NUCLEAR
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ARSENAL IN THE WORLD.
YOU AGREED TO SEND THE NUKES
BACK TO RUSSIA.
AND IN RETURN, YOU GOT SECURITY
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GUARANTEES FROM THE UNITED
STATES AND FROM RUSSIA.
DO YOU ALL LOOK BACK ON THAT AND
SAY, "WE SHOULD NOT GIVEN UP OUR
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NUCLEAR WEAPONS, IT WAS A
MISTAKE?"
>> Kuleba: I DO.
>> Stahl: DO YOU FEEL THAT THE
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UNITED STATES OWES YOU?
>> Kuleba: PARTIALLY.
YOU KNOW, WHATEVER MISTAKES WERE
MADE IN HISTORY, OUR CURRENT
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LIFE GIVES ALL OF US EXCELLENT
OPPORTUNITIES TO CORRECT THOSE
MISTAKES.
AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE
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ABANDONED OUR NUCLEAR-- NUCLEAR
ARSENAL, GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE
SECURITY ASSURANCES THAT WERE
GIVEN TO US FAILED, I THINK SOME
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COUNTRIES SHOULD FEEL
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS, AND
WORK HARD ON FINDING THE RIGHT
AND EFFICIENT SECURITY GUARANTEE
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FOR UKRAINE.
>> Stahl: YESTERDAY PUTIN
WATCHED TEST LAUNCHES OF
RUSSIA'S DREADED LONG-RANGE
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NUCLEAR MISSILES.
UKRAINE FACES AN EVER-TIGHTENING
VISE: RUSSIAN FORCES CONTINUING
TO ADVANCE FROM THREE SIDES--
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CHOKING UKRAINE LIKE A BOA
CONSTRICTOR, WITH TANKS, FIGHTER
JETS, AND UP TO 190,000 TROOPS;
RUSSIAN NAVAL EXERCISES IN THE
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BLACK SEA THREATENING A
BLOCKADE, ALREADY DISRUPTING
COMMERCIAL SHIPPING.
UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS AND CIVILIANS
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ARE UNDER INTENSIFYING SHELLING
IN THE EAST.
>> Ben Hodges: WHAT A TERRIBLE
SHAME THAT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF
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PEOPLE MAY DIE AND-- AND
HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS
WILL BE LOST BECAUSE OF-- THIS
EGO.
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>> Stahl: RETIRED GENERAL BEN
HODGES KNOWS A LOT ABOUT
VLADIMIR PUTIN.
HODGES WAS A NATO COMMANDER IN
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2014 WHEN RUSSIA LAST INVADED
UKRAINE AND ANNEXED CRIMEA.
LATER, HE WAS THE TOP GENERAL OF
THE U.S. ARMY IN EUROPE UNTIL
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2017.
IS PUTIN BOXED IN AT THIS POINT?
>> Hodges: NO.
>> Stahl: WELL, IF HE
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WITHDRAWS...
>> Stahl: ISN'T HE EMBARRASSED?
>> Hodges: SURE, BUT, I MEAN,
THAT'S-- THAT'S-- I'M RELUCTANT
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TO SAY HE'S BOXED IN.
THIS IS A CRISIS 100% OF HIS OWN
MAKING.
>> Stahl: YEAH, BUT THE WORLD IS
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GOING TO SAY HE WAS ONE-UPPED BY
BIDEN.
CAN HE-- CAN HE ACCEPT THAT?
WE KNOW HIS EGO.
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>> Hodges: HIS EGO SHOULD NOT BE
OUR-- OUR ULTIMATE CONCERN.
OUR ULTIMATE CONCERN HAS GOT TO
BE PROTECTING THE VALUES THAT WE
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CARE ABOUT.
>> Stahl: DO YOU THINK WHAT
HAPPENED IN AFGHANISTAN, OUR
UGLY RETREAT FROM AFGHANISTAN,
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HAD ANY EFFECT ON HIS THINKING?
DID HE THINK THE UNITED STATES
HAD BECOME SOFT AND WEAK?
>> Hodges: I THINK THAT THE WAY
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WE CAME OUT OF AFGHANISTAN
PROBABLY BROUGHT SOME
SATISFACTION TO PRESIDENT PUTIN,
TO SEE US STRUGGLE LIKE THIS.
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AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT IN HIS
MIND HE THOUGHT, "OKAY, THIS--
THIS NEW GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE
THE STRENGTH TO MAKE HARD
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DECISIONS.β
SO, I'M SURE THAT THAT FACTORED
INTO HIS CALCULATION.
CERTAINLY A MISCALCULATION--
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NONETHELESS.
>> Stahl: YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE
SAID THAT MR. PUTIN COULD-- YOU
USED THE BOA CONSTRICTOR
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ANALOGY-- CHOKE OFF UKRAINE
WITHOUT A FULL INVASION.
>> Hodges: WELL, I WAS IN KYIV
JUST OVER TWO WEEKS AGO AND HAD
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THE CHANCE TO SPEND ABOUT AN
HOUR WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY,
AND HE REALLY IMPRESSED ON ME
THE IMPACT THAT HIS ECONOMY WAS
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FEELING.
THERE ALREADY WAS THIS PRESSURE,
THE BOA CONSTRICTOR METAPHOR WAS
ALREADY THERE.
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>> Stahl: BUT IF HE CAN DO THAT
WITHOUT A FULL-SCALE INVASION,
WHY WOULD HE MOVE IN?
>> Hodges: I DON'T THINK HE IS
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GOING TO LAUNCH WHAT SOME PEOPLE
CALL A FULL-ON INVASION, OR
ALL-OUT ASSAULT.
I JUST DON'T THINK HE NEEDS TO
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DO THAT BECAUSE HE-- THE
CONTINUOUS ECONOMIC PRESSURE
COULD CHOKE THE GOVERNMENT AND
CAUSE IT TO COLLAPSE.
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>> Stahl: TO PREVENT THAT, THE
U.S. HAS SENT IN $650 MILLION
WORTH OF MILITARY EQUIPMENT,
INCLUDING JAVELIN ANTITANK
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MISSILES, LARGE QUANTITIES OF
ARTILLERY AND MORTARS, AND
SECURE RADIOS.
BUT WASHINGTON IS NOT SNDING
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TROOPS INTO UKRAINE.
FOREIGN MINISTER KULEBA PRAISED
THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S
HANDLING OF THE CRISIS.
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HAVE THEY DONE ENOUGH?
>> Kuleba: AS LONG AS RUSSIA
SITS ON OUR BORDER AND IN THE
OCCUPIED TERRITORIES OF UKRAINE,
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IT'S NEVER ENOUGH.
UKRAINE IS NOT ASKING AMERICAN
SOLDIERS TO FIGHT FOR US.
THIS IS OUR COUNTRY AND WE WILL
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DEFEND IT, BUT, DEAR AMERICANS,
WHAT HAPPENS HERE MATTERS TO YOU
AS WELL, BECAUSE IF RUSSIA
PREVAILS HERE, OTHER MALICIOUS
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POWERS ACROSS THE GLOBE WILL
REALIZE THAT THE COLLECTIVE WEST
IS UNABLE TO DEFEND ITS
PRINCIPLES AND WHAT IT STANDS
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FOR.
AND IT WILL PROVOKE THEM TO ACT
MORE AGGRESSIVELY IN OTHER PARTS
OF THE WORLD TO PURSUE THEIR
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INTERESTS AGAINST THE U.S.
INTERESTS.
>> Stahl: ARE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT
CHINA?
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>> Kuleba: I'M JUST SPEAKING.
>> Stahl: DO YOU THINK THE
UNITED STATES SHOULD IMPOSE
SANCTIONS NOW?
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>> Kuleba: IT WOULD BE HELPFUL
TO IMPOSE AT LEAST SOME.
>> Stahl: THERE HAVE BEEN
REPORTS THAT YOUR PRESIDENT, AND
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PERHAPS YOU, HAVE FELT THAT THE,
PRESIDENT BIDEN CONTINUALLY
SAYING THAT AN INVASION IS
IMMINENT, IS BOXING MR. PUTIN IN
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AND PERHAPS ALMOST ENCOURAGING
AN INVASION.
>> Kuleba: NO.
WE NEVER-- WE NEVER THOUGHT THAT
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PRESIDENT BIDEN IS ENCOURAGING
AN INVASION BY RUSSIA, BUT WE
WERE VERY OPEN WITH OUR FRIENDS
IN THE UNITED STATES THAT
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REGULAR PUBLIC MESSAGES ABOUT
THE IMMINENCE OF WAR, THEY CAUSE
DAMAGE TO OUR ECONOMY AND TO OUR
FINANCIAL STABILITY.
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>> Stahl: SEEMS PRESIDENT BIDEN
GOT THAT MESSAGE.
THIS PAST WEEK, HE COMMITTED
MORE HELP FOR THE UKRAINIAN
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ECONOMY.
>> Kuleba: THEY ISSUE $1 BILLION
IN LOAN GUARANTEES TO UKRAINE.
THIS IS A MESSAGE TO EVERYONE
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INVOLVED IN BUSINESS ACTIVITY
THAT PARTNERS OF UKRAINE HAVE
TRUST IN THIS COUNTRY, AND
THEY'RE CONFIDENT THAT THIS
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COUNTRY WILL REMAIN STABLE, AND
IT'S SAFE DOING BUSINESS IN THIS
COUNTRY.
>> Stahl: DESPITE THE HIT TO THE
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ECONOMY, IN KYIV, THE CAPITAL,
IT'S BEEN LOOKING LIKE BUSINESS
AS USUAL.
JUST ANOTHER EUROPEAN CITY,
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BELYING THE DRUMBEAT OF WAR.
AT THE CENTER OF THE CRISIS IS
44-YEAR-OLD VOLODYMYR ZELENSKY
ON THE FRONTLINES IN FATIGUES OR
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DRESSED UP WITH HEADS OF TATE.
HE'S AN UNLIKELY LEADER, A
POLITICAL NEOPHYTE WHO, LESS
THAN THREE YEARS AGO, WAS A
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COMEDIAN ON TELEVISION.
WE TALKED ABOUT HIM WITH YALE
HISTORIAN TIMOTHY SNYDER, AUTHOR
OF SEVERAL BOOKS ON THE REGION.
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THIS COMEDIAN, REALLY, AN
ENTERTAINER GETS ON THE WORLD
STAGE, AND HE'S UP AGAINST THIS
POWERFUL EX-K.G.B. AGENT WHO
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PLAYS CHESS MAGNIFICENTLY.
HE'S NEVER LED ANYTHING BEFORE.
>> Timothy Snyder: THAT'S TRUE.
THIS IS, SO TO SPEAK, A LITTLE
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GUY, WHO'S USED TO DEALING WITH
BIG GUYS, AND WHO HAS FOUND A
WAY TO DO IT, WHICH IS THAT HE'S
A LITTLE FUNNIER, HE'S A LITTLE
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FASTER, HE'S A LITTLE SHARPER.
AND, ONE THING FOR CERTAIN ABOUT
HIM, IS THAT HE'S NOT A PRODUCT
OF A POLITICAL MACHINE.
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AND THAT MAKES HIM A KIND OF
WILD CARD IN THIS OVERALL
SITUATION.
BUT IT IS ALSO WHAT MAKES HIM
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INTOLERABLE FOR PUTIN, BECAUSE
WHAT PUTIN WANTS IS A
PREDICTABLE UKRAINE, A
PREDICTABLE UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT,
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AND ZELENSKY, WHATEVER HIS
FLAWS, IS THE OPPOSITE OF THAT.
>> Stahl: ZELENSKY IS UKRAINE'S
SIXTH PRESIDENT SINCE IT FIRST
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BECAME AN INDEPENDENT DEMOCRACY
JUST 30 YEARS AGO.
BEFORE THAT, SAYS HISTORIAN
SNYDER, THE COUNTRY'S SUFFERING
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WAS PRETTY MUCH UNPARALLELED.
>> Snyder: UKRAINE IS AT THE
VERY CENTER OF THE HISTORY OF
ATROCITY IN THE 20th CENTURY.
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IT SUFFERED MORE UNDER STALIN
THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE
SOVIET UNION.
AND THEN IT SUFFERED MORE UNDER
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HITLER, ALONG WITH BELARUS, THAN
ANY OTHER PLACE THAT THE GERMANS
INVADED.
>> Stahl: WHILE THE REST OF THE
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WORLD IS ON EDGE, STRANGELY,
INSIDE UKRAINE THERE'S CALMNESS.
>> Snyder: THEY ARE PERFECTLY
AWARE THAT THERE'S A POSSIBILITY
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OF INVASION, BUT THE DIFFERENCE
IS THAT THEY DON'T THINK THAT
THIS IS SO EXCEPTIONAL.
THEY THINK IT'S COME BEFORE AND
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IT CAN COME AGAIN.
>> Stahl: IF IT COMES AGAIN, AND
THE RUSSIANS INVADE, THEY'LL
FACE A UKRAINIAN MILITARY THAT
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IS FAR BIGGER, BETTER-TRAINED,
MOTIVATED, AND EQUIPPED THAN IT
WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN PUTIN
TOOK CRIMEA.
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>> Kuleba: LARGE-SCALE INVASION
IN UKRAINE BY RUSSIA WILL
INFLICT HUGE DAMAGE ON RUSSIA
ITSELF.
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ECONOMICALLY, BECAUSE OF
SANCTIONS THAT WILL BE SLAMMED
ON RUSSIA IMMEDIATELY.
MILITARILY, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT
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THE COUNTRY THAT WILL GIVE UP.
THIS IS OUR LAND.
WE WILL BE DEFENDING IT.
>> Stahl: SO, WHAT HAPPENS IF
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THIS IS THE STATUS QUO?
THE RUSSIANS HAVE TROOPS ALMOST
ALL AROUND YOU.
THEY'RE JUST SITTING THERE, AND
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THEY'RE HURTING YOUR ECONOMY.
THEY'RE TRYING TO SUFFOCATE YOU
TO THE POINT THAT THEY CAN JUST
GET WHAT THEY WANT FROM YOU.
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>> Kuleba: WELL, YOU SEE, THEY
TRIED TO SUFFOCATE US, AND
DESTABILIZE US, AND SHATTER US
FROM THE INSIDE FOR THE LAST 300
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YEARS.
BUT THEY FAILED.
I'M STILL SITTING HERE WITH YOU
AS FOREIGN MINISTER OF
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INDEPENDENT UKRAINE.
WE KNOW THE THREAT.
WE UNDERSTAND IT.
WE LEARNED HOW TO LIVE WITH IT.
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>> Pelley: SINCE 2016, U.S.
GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS OVERSEAS
AND THEIR FAMILIES HAVE REPORTED
SUDDEN, UNEXPLAINED BRAIN
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INJURIES WITH SYMPTOMS OF
VERTIGO, CONFUSION, AND MEMORY
LOSS.
THE C.I.A., F.B.I. AND STATE
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DEPARTMENT ARE INVESTIGATING A
THEORY THAT SOME OF THESE
OFFICIALS WERE INJURED BY AN
UNSEEN WEAPON.
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WHO MIGHT BE TARGETING
AMERICANS, AND WHY, ARE UNKNOWN.
INCIDENTS HAVE BEEN REPORTED IN
EUROPE, ASIA, AND LATIN AMERICA,
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BUT OUR REPORTING HAS FOUND
SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY
OFFICIALS WHO SAY THEY WERE
STRICKEN IN WASHINGTON AND ON
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THE GROUNDS OF THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE FORMER OFFICIALS YOU ARE
ABOUT TO MEET ARE REVEALING
THEIR EXPERIENCES FOR THE
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FIRST TIME.
THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR
HELPING TO MANAGE THREATS TO
NATIONAL SECURITY.
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>> Olivia Troye: I COVERED ANY
AND ALL EMERGING THREATS,
HOMELAND SECURITY INCIDENTS,
DOMESTICALLY, SO I COVERED
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WHETHER IT WAS FROM MASS
SHOOTINGS TO HURRICANES, TO
NATURAL DISASTERS.
>> Pelley: OLIVIA TROYE WAS
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HOMELAND SECURITY AND
COUNTERTERRORISM ADVISOR TO
VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE.
SHE HAD SERVED IN THE PENTAGON,
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DEPLOYED TO IRAQ, SERVED IN THE
DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY AND
THE NATIONAL COUNTERTERRORISM
CENTER.
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AT THE WHITE HOUSE, SHE WORKED
IN THE 19th-CENTURY EISENHOWER
EXECUTIVE OFFICE BUILDING BESIDE
THE WEST WING.
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IN THE SUMMER OF 2019, SHE WAS
DESCENDING THESE STAIRS TOWARD
THE WHITE HOUSE, WHEN SHE FELT
SHE HAD BEEN PHYSICALLY STRUCK.
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>> Troye: BUT IT WAS LIKE THIS
PIERCING FEELING ON THE SIDE OF
MY HEAD.
IT WAS LIKE-- I REMEMBER IT WAS
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ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF MY HEAD,
AND I GOT LIKE, VERTIGO.
I WAS UNSTEADY.
I WAS-- I FELT NAUSEOUS.
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I WAS SOMEWHAT DISORIENTED, AND
I WAS JUST, I REMEMBER THINKING,
"OKAY, YOU'VE GOT TO-- DON'T
FALL DOWN THE STAIRS.
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YOU'VE GOT TO FIND YOUR GROUND
AGAIN AND STEADY YOURSELF."
>> Pelley: SHE STEADIED HERSELF
ON A RAILING, BUT THE "PIERCING
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FEELING" CONTINUED, AS SHE
PASSED BY THIS ENTRANCE TO THE
WEST WING.
>> Troye: IT WAS ALMOST LIKE, I
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COULDN'T REALLY PROCESS.
IT WAS LIKE A PARALYZING
PANIC ATTACK.
I'VE NEVER HAD THAT.
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I'VE NEVER FELT ANYTHING LIKE
THAT.
AND SO, I-- YOU KNOW, I-- I
THOUGHT TO MYSELF, "I MEAN, DO I
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HAVE A BRAIN TUMOR OUT OF THE
BLUE?
IS THIS WHAT HAPPENS?
AM I HAVING A STROKE?"
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>> Pelley: OLIVIA TROYE WAS
INSIDE THE SECURITY PERIMETER,
HEADED TO HER CAR.
SHE WENT DOWN THE STEPS, PAST
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THE WEST WING, AND DOWN THE
CLOSED PARKING LOT, USED BY
PRESIDENTS, CALLED WEST
EXECUTIVE AVENUE.
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THEN SHE PASSED THROUGH THE
SECRET SERVICE GATE AND OUT TO
THE STAFF PARKING IN THE
ELLIPSE, SOUTH OF THE WHITE
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HOUSE.
DID YOU EVER EXPERIENCE ANYTHING
LIKE THIS AGAIN?
>> Troye: SO, NOT IMMEDIATELY.
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BUT I DID AGAIN ABOUT A YEAR
LATER.
IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THE STEPS.
IT HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES
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WALKING TO MY CAR ON THE
ELLIPSE.
>> Pelley: TELL ME ABOUT THOSE
TIMES.
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>> Troye: IT WAS A SIMILAR
SENSATION, BUT THIS TIME, IT WAS
VERY MUCH THE FEELING OF VERTIGO
AND DIZZINESS.
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AND I FELT LIKE I COULDN'T
REALLY WALK.
THERE WAS SORT OF-- IT WAS LIKE
I HAD A DEPTH PERCEPTION ISSUE,
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WHERE I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT
WHERE THE GROUND WAS.
AND I WOULD START WALKING, AND I
FELT LIKE I WAS JUST GOING TO
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FALL RIGHT INTO THE GROUND.
>> Pelley: TROYE SAYS SHE DIDN'T
REPORT THE EPISODES BECAUSE SHE
DIDN'T WANT TO BELIEVE SHE WAS
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SERIOUSLY ILL, AND SHE WORRIED
WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO HER
SECURITY CLEARANCE AND CAREER.
AFTER THIS INTERVIEW, SHE
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REPORTED FOR THE FIRST TIME.
>> Troye: THERE IS A HUMAN
ASPECT OF IT, OF SHAME.
AND, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO ADMIT
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YOU'RE SICK?
DO YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND
TELL SOMEONE THAT, ESPECIALLY AS
A MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENCE
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COMMUNITY?
I THINK I'M STILL PROCESSING ALL
OF IT, AND THINKING ABOUT, LIKE,
HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE ARE LIKE ME
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WHO FELT THIS.
>> Pelley: IT APPEARS THERE ARE
SEVERAL.
A SENIOR MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL
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SECURITY COUNCIL SAYS HE WAS
STRICKEN IN NOVEMBER 2020, ON
THE SAME STEPS BY THE WEST WING.
THAT FORMER OFFICIAL, WHOSE
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INCIDENT WAS FIRST REPORTED IN
THE "NEW YORKER," ASKED US NOT
TO NAME HIM.
BUT HE DESCRIBED THE INCIDENT TO
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A CLOSE COLLEAGUE, JOHN BOLTON,
FORMER NATIONAL SECURITY
ADVISOR.
>> John Bolton: THEY HAD
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DISORIENTATION AND RINGING IN
THEIR EARS, AND JUST A GENERAL
INABILITY TO FUNCTION.
>> Pelley: BOLTON TOLD US, THE
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OFFICIAL SAID HE COULDN'T SPEAK
OR THINK CLEARLY.
HE WAS TAKEN TO AN EMERGENCY
ROOM.
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THE FORMER OFFICIAL SENT US THIS
NOTE, SAYING THAT, MORE THAN A
YEAR LATER, "I'M STILL
RECOVERING AND SUFFERING FROM
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HEADACHES AND OTHER SYMPTOMS,
AND HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH TWO
OTHER MEDICAL CONDITIONS THAT
ARE BELIEVED TO BE THE RESULT OF
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THE ATTACK."
HE'S STILL AN OUTPATIENT AT
WATER REED NATIONAL MILITARY
MEDIAL CENTER.
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>> Bolton: THAT WAS A VERY
DEBILITATING ATTACK, AND SIMILAR
TO WHAT OTHERS HAVE REPORTED.
>> Pelley: THOSE "OTHERS"
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INCLUDE MILES TAYLOR, ALSO
SPEAKING FOR THE FIRST TIME.
TAYLOR WAS DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF
AND, LATER, CHIEF OF STAFF OF
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THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.
>> Miles Taylor: YOUR JOB IS TO
OVERSEE THE ROUGHLY 250,000 MEN
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AND WOMEN OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT
CONDUCTED A RANGE OF MISSIONS,
FROM AVIATION SECURITY TO BORDER
SECURITY TO CYBERSECURITY.
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>> Pelley: TAYLOR TOLD US HE WAS
HIT WITH THE SAME SYMPTOMS
DESCRIBED BY OLIVIA TROYE.
>> Taylor: IT WAS LATE ONE NIGHT
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IN APRIL 2018.
I'D JUST BECOME DEPUTY CHIEF OF
STAFF OF THE DEPARTMENT, TAKING
ON SOME ADDITIONAL SENSITIVE
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ISSUES AT D.H.S., AND WOKE UP IN
MY APARTMENT THAT NIGHT, A ROW
HOUSE ON CAPITOL HILL, TO A
REALLY STRANGE SOUND.
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>> Pelley: THE SOUND THAT WOKE
MILES TAYLOR IS A COMMON
EXPERIENCE REPORTED BY DOZENS OF
AMERICANS STRICKEN OVERSEAS.
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>> Taylor: IT WAS SORT OF A
CHIRPING, SOMEWHERE BETWEEN WHAT
YOU WOULD THINK IS A CRICKET OR
SORT OF A DIGITAL SOUND.
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I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, BUT
IT WAS ENOUGH TO WAKE ME UP.
WHAT WAS REALLY STRANGE ABOUT IT
IS, I WENT TO THE WINDOW, OPENED
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UP MY WINDOW, LOOKED DOWN AT THE
STREET.
AND, KEEP IN MIND, SCOTT, THIS
IS PROBABLY 3:00, 3:30 IN THE
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MORNING.
AND I SEE A WHITE VAN.
AND THE VAN'S BRAKE LIGHTS
TURNED ON, AND IT PULLED OFF AND
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IT SPED AWAY.
>> Pelley: HOW LONG DID IT LAST?
>> Taylor: THIS WHOLE EPISODE
ONLY LASTED ABOUT SEVEN TO TEN
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MINUTES.
>> Pelley: HOW DID YOU FEEL THE
NEXT DAY?
>> Taylor: OFF.
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OFF-- NOT READY TO GO TO WORK,
YOU KNOW, KIND OF WANTING TO
TAKE THE DAY OFF, YOU KNOW,
SICK.
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>> Pelley: THEN, ABOUT FIVE
WEEKS LATER, TAYLOR SAYS IT
HAPPENED AGAIN.
>> Taylor: NEXT DAY, FEELING
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OFF-BALANCE, FEELING JUST OUT OF
IT-- AGAIN, THOSE SORT OF
CONCUSSION-LIKE SYMPTOMS YOU
WOULD HAVE FROM, YOU KNOW,
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GETTING KNOCKED PRETTY HARD IN A
SPORT.
AND THAT INCIDENT STOOD OUT TO
ME, BECAUSE I WAS ACTUALLY JUST
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GETTING READY TO LEAVE TO GO TO
ISRAEL ON A CONGRESSIONAL
DELEGATION.
WE WERE GOING TO MEET THE
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ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER, BENJAMIN
NETANYAHU, HAVE SOME SENSITIVE
CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ISRAELIS
ON IMPORTANT CYBERSECURITY
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ISSUES.
AND I REMEMBER BECAUSE I GOT TO
THE AIRPLANE AT ANDREWS AIR
FORCE BASE TO TAKE OFF AND
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THOUGHT, "I'M ALREADY NAUSEOUS.
I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN DO THIS
FLIGHT."
>> Pelly: BOTH MILES TAYLOR AND
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OLIVIA TROYE BECAME CRITICS OF
THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, BUT
THEY TOLD US THAT HAS NOTHING TO
DO WITH WHAT THEY SEE AS A
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POTENTIAL THREAT TO NATIONAL
SECURITY.
TAYLOR SAYS HE BECAME ALARMED BY
THAT THREAT IN 2018 AFTER HE
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HEARD OF ANOTHER CASE LIKE HIS
IN THE WASHINGTON AREA.
>> Taylor: I BECAME AWARE OF A
U.S. GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL, MORE
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SENIOR THAN ME, WHO'D
EXPERIENCED SIMILAR EPISODES AT
THEIR PLACE OF RESIDENCE.
>> Pelley: YOU SAY MORE SENIOR
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THAN YOU.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A CABINET-
LEVEL SECRETARY?
>> Taylor: THIS WAS AN
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INDIVIDUAL THAT, YES, WAS
ROUGHLY AT THE CABINET LEVEL
IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, WHO
HAD SIMILAR EPISODES OCCUR.
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THAT, TO ME AS A HOMELAND
SECURITY PROFESSIONAL, WAS A BIG
BLINKING RED LIGHT.
I MEAN, TO ME THIS SAID,
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"FIVE-ALARM FIRE."
WE MAY HAVE ONGOING ACTIVITY
TARGETING U.S. GOVERNMENT
OFFICIALS HERE IN OUR COUNTRY.
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>> Pelley: WHO WAS IT?
>> Taylor: I CAN'T SAY THE
INDIVIDUAL OUT OF RESPECT FOR,
YOU KNOW, THEIR PRIVACY.
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I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
BUT SOMEONE SENIOR ENOUGH TO
SAY, THIS IS MORE THAN JUST A
FLUKE.
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>> Pelley: MORE THAN A FLUKE.
A PATTERN, ACROSS TWO
ADMINISTRATIONS.
RECENT INJURIES AMONG U.S.
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OFFICIALS WERE REPORTED IN
VIENNA, AUSTRIA, AHEAD OF A TRIP
BY THE VICE PRESIDENT TO
VIETNAM, AND IN INDIA, DURING A
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VISIT BY THE DIRECTOR OF THE
C.I.A.
IN 2019, DURING A VISIT BY
PRESIDENT TRUMP TO LONDON, TWO
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MEMBERS OF JOHN BOLTON'S
NATIONAL SECURITY STAFF BECAME
ILL IN A HOTEL.
>> Bolton: AND THAT IT WAS ON
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THE FLOOR WHERE WE'D COMPLETELY
TAKEN UP WITH PERSONNEL FROM THE
WHITE HOUSE AND WHITE HOUSE
AGENCIES STRUCK ME AS BEING
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PRETTY GOOD EVIDENCE OF A
DELIBERATE ATTACK.
>> Pelley: YOU BELIEVE IT WAS AN
ATTACK?
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>> Bolton: I DON'T THINK THERE'S
ANY OTHER HYPOTHESIS, WHEN YOU
BEGIN TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER AND
THE PATTERN THAT WE'VE
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EXPERIENCED.
>> Pelley: BOLTON SAYS, MONTHS
LATER, ONE OF THOSE STAFF
MEMBERS HURT IN LONDON SAID SHE
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WAS OVERCOME, AGAIN, WALKING HER
DOG IN THE WASHINGTON AREA.
WE HAVE FOUND, SHE IS NOT THE
ONLY ONE WHO SAYS THEY WERE
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ATTACKED ABROAD AND, LATER, AT
HOME.
YOU MUST HAVE THOUGHT THAT,
WHEN YOU WERE HOME IN AMERICA,
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THAT YOU WERE SAFE?
>> Robyn Garfield: I'LL TELL
YOU, WHEN I LANDED FROM CHINA,
I LITERALLY WAS KISSING THE
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GROUND.
>> Pelley: WE MET ROBYN GARFIELD
IN 2019.
HE'S A COMMERCE DEPARTMENT
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OFFICIAL WHO TOLD US THAT HE,
HIS WIFE, AND TWO CHILDREN WERE
REPEATEDLY HIT IN CHINA.
YOUR DAUGHTER WAS LITERALLY
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FALLING DOWN?
>> Garfield: YES, SHE FELL DOWN
MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY.
>> Pelley: THEY WERE EVACUATED,
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AND ENROLLED IN A STATE
DEPARTMENT TREATMENT PROGRAM AT
THE UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA.
RECENTLY, GARFIELD TOLD US HIS
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FAMILY WAS HIT AGAIN DURING
THEIR YEAR OF TREATMENT IN
PHILADELPHIA.
>> Garfield: MY WIFE CATAPULTED
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OUT OF BED AND SPRINTED DOWN THE
HALLWAY TO CHECK THE CHILDREN,
WITHOUT ANY WORD.
AND SHE CAME BACK, AND SHE TOLD
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ME THAT AN EXTREMELY LOUD,
PAINFUL, SOUND HAD WOKEN HER UP.
>> Pelley: SO, THEY MOVED TO A
HOTEL-- WHERE GARFIELD SAYS IT
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HAPPENED AGAIN.
>> Garfield: AND WE WOKE UP
AROUND, I BELIEVE 2:00 A.M.,
WITH STRANGE VIBRATIONS IN OUR
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BODIES, AND A SOUND.
>> Pelley: WHICH LED GARFIELD TO
CHECK ON HIS CHILDREN, IN
ANOTHER ROOM.
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>> Garfield: I SAW AN EXTREMELY
EERIE SCENE, WHERE BOTH WERE
THRASHING IN THEIR BEDS--
ASLEEP, BUT BOTH KICKING AND
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MOVING PRETTY AGGRESSIVELY.
AND I WENT OVER TO MY DAUGHTER,
AND I PUT MY HEAD DOWN NEXT TO
HER HEAD, AND I HEARD A VERY
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DISTINCT SOUND, JUST RIGHT
THERE, SORT OF LIKE WATER
RUSHING.
SO, I PICKED HER UP, TOOK HER
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AND PUT HER WITH MY WIFE, AND I
CAME BACK AND I CHECKED MY SON.
SAME SOUND, JUST RIGHT NEXT TO
HIS HEAD.
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SO, I PICKED HIM UP, PUT HIM ON
MY SHOULDER, WALKED OVER TO MY
WIFE, AND I SAID, "WE'RE GETTING
OUT OF HERE."
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>> Pelley: GARFIELD REPORTED
THIS TO THE F.B.I.
TODAY, HIS FAMILY IS POSTED
ABROAD, WHERE THEY CONTINUE TO
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WORK TO IMPROVE BALANCE,
EYESIGHT, AND MEMORY.
>> Garfield: THIS IS THE MOST
DIFFICULT ASPECT OF THIS WHOLE
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ISSUE FOR ME, ARE THE CHILDREN
WHO'VE BEEN IMPACTED-- BOTH MINE
AS WELL AS MANY OTHERS.
I PERSONALLY KNOW THE PARENTS
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OF, I BELIEVE, EIGHT OTHER
CHILDREN.
I CAN TELL YOU, I'VE PERSONALLY
SEEN BALANCE ISSUES IN CHILDREN
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THAT HAVE NEVER HAD THAT;
TROUBLE WITH FINDING THEIR
WORDS, STUTTERING.
AND THEN, CONTINUING CHALLENGES
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AROUND VISION.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE
HAVE HEARD FROM SOME PARENTS
IS THAT THESE ARE MANIFESTING
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IN THE CLASSROOM IN REAL,
TANGIBLE WAYS.
>> Pelley: PERSISTENT
NEUROLOGICAL SYMPTOMS ARE NOT
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THE ONLY FIGHT THESE AMERICANS
HAVE FACED.
SOME OF THEIR EARLY REPORTS
WERE DISMISSED AS PSYCHOSOMATIC,
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OR ILLNESSES CONNECTED TO AN
INFECTION OR EXPOSURE TO
PESTICIDES.
SOME WERE TOLD THAT THEY
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WERE SUFFERING THE EFFECT OF
OLD SPORTS INJURIES.
ONE THEORY HAD IT THAT THE SOUND
THESE VICTIMS HEARD DURING THE
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INCIDENTS WAS ACTUALLY A
PARTICULAR SPECIES OF CICADA.
>> Unidentified Person: IT WAS
ROUGH.
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IT WAS ROUGH IN THE BEGINNING.
IT WAS A DARK PLACE TO BE.
WE WERE KIND OF SHOVED ASIDE,
AND THEY WANTED IT TO GO AWAY.
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>> Pelley: THIS MAN IS AMONG
THOSE WHO FOUGHT FOR
RECOGNITION.
HE'S ONE OF THE FIRST CASES,
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FROM 2016.
AMERICANS ASSIGNED TO THE U.S.
EMBASSY IN CUBA SAY THEY AND
THEIR FAMILIES WERE STRUCK AT
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HOME, FREQUENTLY, IN THE NIGHT.
HE REMEMBERS THE FIRST TIME.
>> Unidentified Person: AND THAT
NIGHT, ALL THE DOGS STARTED
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KICKING OFF, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
BARKING, WHICH WAS VERY UNUSUAL
FOR THEM ALL TO GO IN CHORUS.
AND THEN THIS, JUST, LOUD SOUND,
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JUST ABSOLUTELY FILLED MY ROOM.
IT FELT LIKE MY HEAD WAS SLOWLY
STARTING TO GET CRUSHED.
>> Pelley: WE AGREED NOT TO USE
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HIS NAME.
HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT
FEDERAL AGENCY HE WORKED FOR.
>> Unidentified Person: AND THEN
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THE SEVERE EAR PAIN STARTED.
SO, I LIKEN IT TO, IF YOU PUT A
Q-TIP TOO FAR AND YOU BOUNCE IT
OFF YOUR EARDRUM.
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WELL, IMAGINE TAKING A SHARP
PENCIL AND JUST KIND OF POKING
THAT.
IT WAS VERY JARRING AND PAINFUL.
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AND EVENTUALLY, I STARTED
BLACKING OUT.
( DRUM )
>> Pelley: WITH THE FIRST
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PUBLIC REPORTS COMING FROM CUBA,
THE AFFLICTION BECAME KNOWN AS
"HAVANA SYNDROME."
MORE THAN TWO DOZEN EMBASSY
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OFFICIALS REPORTED INJURY, BUT
AN EARLY F.B.I. REPORT
SPECULATED IT WAS ALL MASS
HYSTERIA.
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HIS BRAIN INJURIES LEFT HIM
DISABLED, ESSENTIALLY RETIRED,
AT THE AGE OF 36.
A WEIGHTED VEST HELPS HIM
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BALANCE.
HIS SERVICE DOG HELPS WITH
WALKING AND HIS LOSS OF VISION.
LEGALLY BLIND IN ONE EYE?
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>> Unidentified Person: CORRECT.
YEAH.
>> Pelley: WHAT HAVE THE DOCTORS
TOLD YOU?
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>> Unidentified Person: IT'S NOT
THE EYE, IT'S THE WIRING.
>> Pelley: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> Unidentified Person: THE EYE
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FUNCTION, AS ITSELF, IS
COMPLETELY CORRECT AND
APPROPRIATE.
IT'S THE SIGNAL THAT COMES OUT
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THE BACK OF THE EYE INTO THE
BRAIN, IS WHERE THE PROBLEMS
ARE, AND NO ONE REALLY KNOWS HOW
TO FIX THAT.
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>> Pelley: HE IS SPEAKING
TONIGHT, FOR THE FIRST TIME, TO
PUT AN END TO DOUBT.
YOU HAVE NOT WANTED TO DO THIS
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INTERVIEW.
>> Unidentified Person: NO.
THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF MY WORST
NIGHTMARES.
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>> Pelley: WHY IS THAT?
>> Unidentified Person: I DIDN'T
DO MY JOB BECAUSE I WANT TO BE
KNOWN.
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I DID MY JOB BECAUSE I LOVE MY
COUNTRY.
AND I WAS GOOD AT IT.
GOD, AND I MISS MY JOB.
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I'M HERE BECAUSE I'M TIRED OF
THE GASLIGHTING THAT KEEPS
HAPPENING FROM THE U.S.
GOVERNMENT.
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I'M TIRED OF THIS YO-YO-ING.
BECAUSE I'M WATCHING NEW
COLLEAGUES, AND FRIENDS THAT
I'VE TRAINED WITH, AND FRIENDS
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THAT I'VE KNOWN FOR YEARS, THAT
ARE BEING SENT TO THESE
COUNTRIES AND COMING BACK A
SHELL OF THEIR FORMER SELVES.
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WE NEED TO HELP THEM, AND WE
NEED TO STOP THIS.
>> Pelley: BUT, WHO IS IT THAT
MUST BE STOPPED?
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WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL ASK THE
DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A. ABOUT HIS
INVESTIGATION, AND WE'LL LOOK AT
THE KIND OF DEVICE CAPABLE OF
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INFLICTING BRAIN INJURY WITHOUT
A TRACE.
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>> Pelley: BRAIN INJURIES
SUFFERED BY U.S. OFFICIALS IN
WASHINGTON AND ABROAD ARE THE
FOCUS OF AN INTENSE
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INVESTIGATION.
AFTER STARTING WITH AROUND 1,000
POSSIBLE CASES, A C.I.A. TASK
FORCE HAS ZEROED IN ON ABOUT TWO
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DOZEN THAT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED.
THE TASK FORCE, WHICH INCLUDES
THE F.B.I., IS LED BY A C.I.A.
OFFICER WHO HELPED FIND OSAMA
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BIN LADEN.
THE NEW DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A.,
WILLIAM BURNS, TOLD US, ONE
THING IS ALREADY CLEAR-- AFTER
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EARLY DISBELIEF, THESE INJURED
AMERICANS CAN NO LONGER BE
DOUBTED.
>> William Burns: IN MY FIRST
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WEEK AS DIRECTOR, I BEGAN WHAT
HAS BECOME DOZENS AND DOZENS OF
MEETINGS WITH AFFECTED OFFICERS
AND FAMILY MEMBERS.
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AND I FOUND THEIR STORIES TO BE
POWERFUL AND COMPELLING, AND
SOMETIMES HEARTBREAKING.
>> Pelley: BILL BURNS HAD HEARD
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THOSE STORIES FROM C.I.A.
OFFICERS WHO REPORTED INJURY
SINCE 2016, BUT THIS PAST FALL,
WHILE ON AN OFFICIAL VISIT TO
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INDIA, A MEMBER OF HIS STAFF WAS
STRICKEN IN THEIR HOTEL.
LATER, BURNS PERSONALLY ESCORTED
THAT STAFF MEMBER TO MEDICAL
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EVALUATIONS.
IT SEEMS THAT THE DELHI INCIDENT
MIGHT HAVE BEEN INTENDED TO SEND
YOU A MESSAGE.
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>> Burns: I DON'T KNOW.
AND AS I SAID, I CAN'T COMMENT
ON INDIVIDUAL CASES HERE AS
WELL.
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ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THAT
EACH STORY I'VE HEARD, EACH
OFFICER I'VE MET WITH, WHO'S
BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS, JUST
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REDOUBLES MY COMMITMENT AND MY
DETERMINATION ON THIS ISSUE.
I HAVE ENORMOUS FAITH...
>> Pelley: BILL BURNS SERVED
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FIVE PRESIDENTS AT THE STATE
DEPARTMENT, RISING TO THE
HIGHEST RANK IN THE FOREIGN
SERVICE.
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HE TOOK OVER C.I.A. FOR
PRESIDENT BIDEN LAST SPRING.
>> Burns: EARLY ON, I TRIPLED
THE NUMBER OF FULL-TIME MEDICAL
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PERSONNEL WORKING ON THIS ISSUE.
WE STREAMLINED ACCESS TO
WALTER REED, ESTABLISHED NEW
PARTNERSHIPS WITH OTHER
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WORLD-CLASS MEDICAL PROVIDERS,
INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CASE
MANAGERS, AND WE'RE ALSO MAKING
PROGRESS ON THE INVESTIGATIVE
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SIDE AS WELL.
>> Pelly: PROGRESS ON THE
INVESTIGATIVE SIDE CAME, THIS
MONTH, WITH A REPORT ON THE
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NATURE OF THE BRAIN INJURY.
>> Dr. David Relman: WHAT WE'RE
HEARING ABOUT NOW...
>> Pelley: DR. DAVID RELMAN
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HELPED LEAD TWO GOVERNMENT
PANELS THAT INVESTIGATED THE
INJURIES.
HE'S A PROFESSOR OF MEDICINE AT
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STANFORD UNIVERSITY.
>> Relman: WHAT WE FOUND WAS, WE
THOUGHT, CLEAR EVIDENCE OF AN
INJURY TO THE AUDITORY AND
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VESTIBULAR SYSTEM OF THE BRAIN.
EVERYTHING STARTING WITH THE
INNER EAR, WHERE HUMANS PERCEIVE
SOUND AND SENSE BALANCE, AND
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THEN TRANSLATE THOSE PERCEPTIONS
INTO BRAIN ELECTRICAL SIGNALS.
>> Pelley: DR. RELMAN'S
COMMITTEES FOCUSED ON ONE SUBSET
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OF PATIENTS WHOSE EXPERIENCES
SEEMED INEXPLICABLE.
>> Relman: THIS SUBSET OF CASES
HAD A VERY UNUSUAL, SO-CALLED
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ACUTE SENSORY EVENT, AN
EXPERIENCE THAT CONSISTED OF THE
ABRUPT ONSET OF INTENSE PRESSURE
OR VIBRATION IN THE FACE OR
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HEAD, SOMETIMES WITH THE ABRUPT
ONSET OF SOUND.
>> Pelley: SOUND, LIKE THAT
DESCRIBED BY THE OFFICIALS WHO
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SPOKE TO US.
>> Unidentified Person: AND THEN
THIS, JUST, LOUD SOUND JUST
ABSOLUTELY FILLED MY ROOM.
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>> Pelley: THIS FORMER OFFICIAL,
WHO WE AGREED NOT TO NAME,
RECORDED THE SOUND AT HIS HOME
IN HAVANA.
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BEFORE WE PLAY IT, UNDERSTAND
THAT THE SOUND DOES NOT CAUSE
THE INJURY.
IT IS A BYPRODUCT-- LIKE THE
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SOUND OF A GUN, WHICH IS NOT
WHAT DOES THE HARM.
HERE'S WHAT HE RECORDED.
( TONE )
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>> Pelley: THE INJURED OFFICIALS
WE SPOKE WITH SAID THE SOUND, OR
A FEELING OF PRESSURE, CAME FROM
ONE DIRECTION, AND FOCUSED IN
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NE LOCATION.
>> Taylor: IT WAS A CONTINUOUS
SOUND, AND ONE THAT ONLY CHANGED
BASED ON MY LOCATION.
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>> Relman: THEY LEFT, IT
DISSIPATED.
THEY RETURNED, IT RECURRED.
THAT TO US WAS SOMETHING THAT
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WE HAD NEVER HEARD OF, WE COULD
NOT EXPLAIN BY KNOWN MEDICAL OR
ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS, AND TO
US, DESERVED OUR SPECIAL
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ATTENTION IN AN EFFORT TO
UNDERSTAND WHAT MIGHT BE THE
PLAUSIBLE MECHANISM.
>> Pelley: THAT MECHANISM,
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DR. RELMAN'S COMMITTEES
CONCLUDED, WAS MOST LIKELY
"PULSED ELECTROMAGNETIC ENERGY."
IN OTHER WORDS, A FOCUSED BEAM
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OF MICROWAVES FIRED FROM A
DISTANCE.
>> James Benford: I THINK THE
BEST EXPLANATION, THE MOST
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PLAUSIBLE, IS THAT IT'S A
HIGH-POWER MICROWAVE WEAPON.
>> Pelley: JAMES BENFORD IS A
PHYSICIST AND LEADING AUTHORITY
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ON MICROWAVES.
HE WAS NOT PART OF THE
GOVERNMENT STUDIES, BUT HE
CO-WROTE THE BOOK ON MICROWAVE
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TRANSMISSION.
THESE ARE PORTABLE MICROWAVE
TRANSMITTERS OF THE KIND THAT
COULD DAMAGE THE TISSUES OF THE
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BRAIN.
>> Benford: THERE ARE MANY
KINDS, AND THEY CAN GO ANYWHERE
IN SIZE FROM A SUITCASE ALL THE
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WAY UP TO A LARGE TRACTOR-
TRAILER UNIT.
AND THE BIGGER THE DEVICE, THE
LONGER THE RANGE.
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>> Pelley: THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO
TRANSMIT ITS MICROWAVE ENERGY
THROUGH THE WALL OF A VAN, THE
WALL OF A HOME, SOMETHING LIKE
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THAT?
>> Benford: VANS HAVE WINDOWS.
MICROWAVES GO THROUGH GLASS.
THEY GO THROUGH BRICK.
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THEY GO THROUGH PRACTICALLY
EVERYTHING.
>> Pelley: THE TECHNOLOGY,
BENFORD TOLD US, HAS BEEN
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STUDIED MORE THAN 50 YEARS.
>> Benford: IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED
WIDELY IN, PERHAPS, A DOZEN
COUNTRIES.
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THE PRIMARY COUNTRIES ARE THE
UNITED STATES, RUSSIA AND CHINA.
>> Relman: THE IMPLICATIONS OF A
MECHANISM LIKE THAT SUGGEST
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SOMETHING DIFFERENT ABOUT THE
WORLD NOW, INVOLVING THE LOSS OF
NORMS.
HUMANS WERE AFFECTED IN A
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SERIOUS FASHION, AND FOR THAT
VERY REASON ALONE, WE HAVE TO
UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER.
>> Pelley: THE INVESTIGATION IS
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ALSO TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHO
COULD BE BEHIND THIS, AND THEIR
MOTIVE.
MICROWAVES CAN BE A TOOL FOR
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SPIES.
SOME DEVICES ARE CAPABLE OF
COLLECTING DATA, REMOTELY, FROM
PHONES AND COMPUTERS.
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WHATEVER IS CAUSING THE BRAIN
INJURIES, A C.I.A. INTERIM
REPORT LAST MONTH SAID, THERE IS
NO EVIDENCE OF A MASSIVE, GLOBAL
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CAMPAIGN TO ATTACK AMERICANS.
THE INTERIM C.I.A. REPORT LAST
MONTH SAID, "WE ASSESS IT
UNLIKELY THAT A FOREIGN ACTOR,
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INCLUDING RUSSIA, IS CONDUCTING
A SUSTAINED, WORLDWIDE CAMPAIGN
HARMING U.S. PERSONNEL WITH A
WEAPON OR A MECHANISM."
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DO YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT NO ONE
WAS HARMED BY A HOSTILE ACTOR?
>> Burns: NOT AT ALL.
THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY
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ASSESSES NOW THAT THERE'S NOT A
SINGLE CAUSE THAT IT WOULD
EXPLAIN THE MORE THAN 1,000
INCIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN
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REPORTED SINCE HAVANA IN 2016.
WE'VE ALSO NOT YET BEEN ABLE TO
LINK A FOREIGN STATE ACTOR OR AN
EXTERNAL DEVICE OR MECHANISM TO
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ANY OF THOSE CASES.
>> Pelley: THIS IS THE WORLD'S
PREEMINENT INTELLIGENCE AGENCY.
WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO FIGURE
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OUT?
>> Burns: IT'S A VERY
COMPLICATED ISSUE, YOU KNOW,
DEALING WITH A WHOLE RANGE OF
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INCIDENTS WHICH HAVE, YOU KNOW,
DIFFERENT KINDS OF EXPLANATIONS
FOR THEM AS WELL.
IT'S A VERY CHARGED ISSUE,
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EMOTIONALLY, AS WELL.
I UNDERSTAND THAT VERY CLEARLY.
AND THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, MAKES
ME EVEN MORE DETERMINED NOT ONLY
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TO ENSURE PEOPLE GET THE CARE
THAT THEY DESERVE, BUT ALSO THAT
WE GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS.
>> Pelley: FORMER NATIONAL
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SECURITY ADVISOR JOHN BOLTON
FEARS THERE IS A THREAT TO THE
HIGHEST LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT,
GIVEN THE TWO NATIONAL SECURITY
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OFFICIALS WHO SAY THEY WERE
OVERCOME ON WEST EXECUTIVE
AVENUE BY THE WEST WING INSIDE
THE WHITE HOUSE GATES.
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>> Bolton: IF WE WERE AT WAR
AND AN ADVERSARY COULD DISABLE
THE PRESIDENT AND HIS TOP
ADVISORS, OR COMMANDERS IN THE
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FIELD, IT COULD RENDER US
EXTRAORDINARILY VULNERABLE.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE
THREAT WE'RE FACING.
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BUT, I WOULD MUCH RATHER FOCUS
ON FINDING OUT THE ANSWER NOW,
RATHER THAN FINDING OUT LATER
WHEN IT MAY BE TOO LATE.
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>> Pelley: FORMER HOMELAND
SECURITY CHIEF OF STAFF
MILES TAYLOR SAYS HE BELIEVES
HE WAS TARGETED IN TWO
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MYSTERIOUS INCIDENTS AT HIS
WASHINGTON HOME.
>> Taylor: SOMEONE IS TRYING TO
SEND US A MESSAGE, THAT THEY CAN
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STRIKE BLOWS AGAINST US AND WE
CAN'T STRIKE BACK.
THAT LINE BEING CROSSED INTO
THE UNITED STATES TAKES THIS IN
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SOME WAYS JUST SHY OF THE REALM
OF WARFARE.
>> Pelley: IS THE NATIONAL
SECURITY STRUCTURE IN DANGER OF
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BEING INCAPACITATED DURING A
TIME OF CRISIS?
>> Burns: NO, I DON'T THINK
THAT'S THE CASE.
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>> Pelley: BUT IF PEOPLE ARE
BEING OVERCOME ON WEST EXECUTIVE
AVENUE, IS THAT AN INDICATION
THAT THE WHITE HOUSE AND ITS
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GROUNDS ARE NO LONGER SAFE?
>> Burns: NO.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE.
WHAT IT IS AN INDICATION OF, IS
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THAT WE NEED TO TAKE EACH OF
THESE REPORTED INCIDENTS VERY
SERIOUSLY.
AND AS A GOVERNMENT-- AND THIS
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IS A GOVERNMENT-WIDE EFFORT-- TO
POUR THE VERY BEST RESOURCES WE
HAVE INTO THIS.
>> Pelley: WHAT LINE IS CROSSED
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IF A HOSTILE ACTOR IS DOING THIS
IN WASHINGTON, D.C.?
>> Burns: OH, THAT-- THAT WOULD
BE A PRETTY PROFOUND LINE TO BE
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CROSSED, IF IN FACT THAT WERE
THE CASE; IF WE WERE EVER ABLE
TO DEVELOP CONCRETE EVIDENCE
THAT THAT WERE THE CASE.
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BUT WE DO NOT HAVE EVIDENCE OF
THAT AT THIS POINT.
>> Pelley: YOU UNDERSTAND HOW
FRUSTRATING YOUR COMMENTS MUST
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BE TO SOME OF THESE PEOPLE WHO
BELIEVE THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED TO THEM, ON WHAT DAY,
AND AT WHAT TIME, AND WHAT
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HAPPENED TO THEIR CHILDREN-- AND
YET, THE DIRECTOR OF THE C.I.A.
IS SAYING, WE CAN'T CONNECT THE
DOTS; WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH YET.
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>> Burns: WE'RE NOT AT A
POSITION YET WHERE WE CAN OFFER
HARD EVIDENCE THAT WOULD CONNECT
ALL THOSE DOTS.
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BUT AS I SAID, WE'RE NOT DONE
YET.
WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO
DO.
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AND WHAT I'VE SAID DIRECTLY TO A
NUMBER OF THOSE OFFICERS IS, MY
PROMISE IS THAT I AM ABSOLUTELY
COMMITTED TO EXHAUSTING EVERY
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ALTERNATIVE, SO THAT WE CAN
PROVIDE THE KIND OF ANSWERS THAT
WE OWE THEM.
>> Pelley: THIS PAST SUMMER IN
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GENEVA, PRESIDENT BIDEN RAISED
THE ISSUE WITH RUSSIAN PRESIDENT
PUTIN.
THE RUSSIANS DENY THEY'RE
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INVOLVED.
THE SECRET SERVICE DECLINED TO
COMMENT ON WHITE HOUSE SECURITY.
THE IRON GATES OF WEST EXECUTIVE
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AVENUE, BY THE WEST WING, WENT
UP IN 1951 AFTER THE ATTEMPTED
ASSASSINATION OF HARRY TRUMAN.
70 YEARS LATER, THERE IS
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EVIDENCE THE GATES MAY HAVE BEEN
BREACHED BY AN INVISIBLE THREAT.
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>> THE YOUNGEST VICTIMS:
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STORIES OF CHILDREN
BELIEVED TO BE AFFECTED BY
HAVANA SYNDROME, AT
60minutesovertime.com,
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>> Pelley: I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH
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