1 00:00:23,623 --> 00:00:33,466 HOW MANY BOTTLES WERE YOU ABLE TO PRODUCE? >> A NORMAL YEAR, I PRODUCE AROUND 40,000, 50,000 BOTTLES. 2 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:39,506 >> THIS YEAR? >> ZERO. >> CLIMATE CHANGE HAS AFFECTED MANY OF FRANCE'S VINTAGES 3 00:00:39,572 --> 00:00:46,045 SEVERELY. ITS ECONOMY, TOO. BUT IN RAINY OLD ENGLAND, ACROSS THE CHANNEL, WE FOUND A VERY 4 00:00:46,112 --> 00:00:55,155 DIFFERENT STORY. DO YOU THINK THAT WINE LOVERS AROUND THE WORLD ALREADY KNOW THAT GREAT WINES ARE COMING OUT 5 00:00:55,221 --> 00:01:02,195 OF ENGLAND? IN OTHER WORDS-- IS IT "OOH, LA LA" NO MORE? IT'S "JOLLY GOOD"? 6 00:01:02,262 --> 00:01:04,264 ( LAUGHTER ) ( TICKING ) 7 00:01:06,399 --> 00:01:14,441 >> IN A CHANGING BRITAIN, NOSTALGIA CAN RESIDE AT THE BOTTOM OF A GLASS. IN THE OH-SO-ENGLISH VILLAGE OF 8 00:01:14,507 --> 00:01:20,513 ALDWORTH IN BERKSHIRE, YOU'LL FIND JUST A CRICKET GREEN, A CHURCH, A FEW HOUSES, AND A PUB RESISTANT TO TIME. 9 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:27,654 THE BELL INN HAS BEEN IN THE FAMILY OF HEATHER MACAULEY FOR 200 YEARS. WE'VE TALKED TO SOME PUB OWNERS 10 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:39,265 WHO'VE SAID THEY-- THEY FELT THIS PRESSURE TO EVOLVE, AND THEY'RE TRYING GOURMET FOOD AND D.J.s AND TECHNOLOGY. 11 00:01:41,868 --> 00:01:48,074 >> Lesley Stahl: GOOD EVENING, WELCOME TO "60 MINUTES PRESENTS." I'M LESLEY STAHL. 12 00:01:48,141 --> 00:01:55,882 TONIGHT, WE RAISE A GLASS, AND LIFT A PINT, TO OFFER "CHEERS" TO THE VENERABLE ENGLISH PUB. BUT WE BEGIN WITH THE WINE 13 00:01:55,949 --> 00:02:01,788 INDUSTRY. WHAT ARE THE SIGNS OF GLOBAL WARMING? GLACIERS ARE MELTING AT AN 14 00:02:01,855 --> 00:02:08,628 INCREASINGLY RAPID PACE. PERSISTENT DROUGHTS ARE SPREADING. AND, WE HAVE ANOTHER TO TELL YOU 15 00:02:08,695 --> 00:02:17,437 ABOUT-- WINE. AS IN, WHAT YOU MIGHT CRACK OPEN FOR VALENTINE'S DAY TOMORROW. FARMERS WHO GROW THE GRAPES HAVE 16 00:02:17,504 --> 00:02:24,711 SEEN THE EFFECTS OF CLIMATE CHANGE IN THE SOIL, IN THE ROOTS OF THE VINES, AND THE YIELDS OF THEIR CROPS. 17 00:02:24,777 --> 00:02:33,486 FRANCE, A MAJOR CENTER OF WINEMAKING FOR CENTURIES, IS EXPERIENCING INCREASINGLY HIGHER TEMPERATURES AND EXTREME WEATHER 18 00:02:33,553 --> 00:02:42,395 CONDITIONS THAT HAVE DAMAGED VINTAGES AND LIVELIHOODS. THIS PAST YEAR WAS PARTICULARLY DRAMATIC. 19 00:02:42,462 --> 00:02:51,371 FRANC RECORDED ITS SMALLEST HARVEST SINCE 1957, AND STANDS TO LOSE MORE THAN $2 BILLION IN SALES-- A HUGE BLOW TO THE 20 00:02:51,437 --> 00:02:59,112 COUNTRY'S SECOND-LARGEST EXPORT INDUSTRY. AND, AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN DECEMBER, IT'S HITTING NEARLY 21 00:02:59,178 --> 00:03:07,420 ALL THE WINE-GROWING REGIONS, WHERE THEY MAKE DRY WHITES, FRUITY REDS, AND FIZZY CHAMPAGNE. 22 00:03:07,487 --> 00:03:15,628 ALL BUBBLIES ARE CALLED SPARKLING WINE, BUT CHAMPAGNE IS MADE HERE AND NOWHERE ELSE-- IN THESE VINEYARDS AND VILLAGES OF 23 00:03:15,695 --> 00:03:27,607 CHAMPAGNE, LOCATED IN NORTHEASTERN FRANCE. THERE'S A MYSTIQUE TO CHAMPAGNE, AN AURA OF ROMANCE. 24 00:03:27,674 --> 00:03:35,315 COCO CHANEL ONCE SAID, "I ONLY DRINK CHAMPAGNE ON TWO OCCASIONS-- WHEN I'M IN LOVE, AND WHEN I'M NOT." 25 00:03:35,381 --> 00:03:40,553 THEY'VE BEEN PRODUCING THIS "WINE OF KINGS" HERE FOR CENTURIES. SO, HOW LONG HAS THIS WINEMAKING 26 00:03:40,620 --> 00:03:46,793 BUSINESS AND THE VINEYARDS BEEN IN YOUR FAMILY? >> Christine Sevillano: FROM 1700. 27 00:03:46,859 --> 00:03:52,765 >> Stahl: 1700. >> Sevillano: YES. >> Stahl: CHRISTINE SEVILLANO TOOK OVER THE FAMILY BUSINESS 28 00:03:52,832 --> 00:04:00,707 AND ITS 20 ACRES OF VINES 14 YEARS AGO. SHE'S THE TENTH GENERATION. >> Sevillano: THIS IS THE CELLAR 29 00:04:00,773 --> 00:04:08,114 OF MY GRANDFATHER. >> Stahl: OH. AFTER SURVIVING THE FRENCH REVOLUTION AND TWO WORLD WARS, 30 00:04:08,181 --> 00:04:14,087 HER FAMILY'S HOUSE OF PIOT- SEVILLANO FACED ITS WORST YEAR EVER IN 2021. >> Sevillano: WE LOST 90% OF OUR 31 00:04:14,153 --> 00:04:20,326 HARVEST. >> Stahl: 90%? >> Sevillano: YES. >> Stahl: HOW MANY BOTTLES WERE 32 00:04:20,393 --> 00:04:30,570 YOU ABLE TO PRODUCE THIS YEAR, AS OPPOSED TO A NORMAL YEAR? >> Sevillano: A NORMAL YEAR, I PRODUCE AROUND 40,000, 50,000 33 00:04:30,637 --> 00:04:36,609 BOTTLES. >> Stahl: AND THIS YEAR? >> Sevillano: ZERO. IT'S THEFIRST TIME IN THE 34 00:04:36,676 --> 00:04:43,983 HISTORY OF MY WINERY THAT WE WILL NOT MAKE CHAMPAGNE. >> Stahl: NOT A SINGLE BOTTLE FROM THIS WINERY? 35 00:04:44,050 --> 00:04:50,089 >> Sevillano: YES, YES. >> Stahl: HIGHER TEMPERATURES AND EXTREME WEATHER EPISODES DEVASTATED NOT ONLY HER HARVEST, 36 00:04:50,156 --> 00:04:59,432 BUT MUCH OF CHAMPAGNE'S. >> Sevillano: IT RAINED IN TWO OR THREE DAYS THAT IT RAINED NORMALLY IN ONE MONTH. 37 00:04:59,499 --> 00:05:03,536 EVEN MY FATHER TOLD ME THAT IN HIS CAREER HE HAS NEVER SEEN THAT. >> Stahl: ALMOST FLOOD-LIKE? 38 00:05:03,603 --> 00:05:12,679 >> Sevillano: YES. >> Stahl: THE WORST OF IT, SHE SAYS, CAME IN JUNE AND JULY, WHEN THE HEAT AND THE RAINS 39 00:05:12,745 --> 00:05:19,318 RESULTED IN A MORE CRIPPLING OUTBREAK THAN USUAL OF FUNGUSES, LIKE MILDEW CONTAMINATION. >> Sevillano: IN FACT, WHEN THE 40 00:05:19,385 --> 00:05:26,626 GRAPES ARE CONTAMINATED, THE-- THE FRUIT IS DRYING. AND AFTER, WE CAN'T USE IT, BECAUSE THERE IS NO JUICE, 41 00:05:26,693 --> 00:05:32,532 NOTHING. >> Stahl: AND YOU ATTRIBUTE THIS TO CLIMATE CHANGE? >> Sevillano: YES. 42 00:05:32,598 --> 00:05:38,271 BECAUSE IT WAS SO EXTREME. IT'S NOT NORMAL. >> Stahl: LAST YEAR'S EXTREME WEATHER NOT ONLY BATTERED 43 00:05:38,337 --> 00:05:46,212 CHAMPAGNE AND THE FOUNDATION OF ITS ECONOMY, BUT NEARLY EVERY ONE OF THE WINE-PRODUCING REGIONS IN FRANCE-- BURGUNDY TO 44 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:53,052 BORDEAUX, WHERE SOME OF THE HIGHEST QUALITY, BEST-KNOWN AND BEST-TASTING REDS AND WHITES ARE MADE. 45 00:05:53,119 --> 00:05:56,456 AND THESE ARE WHAT GRAPE? WHAT, WHAT-- >> Jacques Lurton: THIS IS MERLOT. 46 00:05:56,522 --> 00:06:02,261 >> Stahl: MERLOT! I LOVE MERLOT. >> Lurton: YEAH, MERLOT MAKES A BEAUTIFUL, SOFT-ROUNDED WINES. 47 00:06:02,328 --> 00:06:09,535 >> Stahl: JACQUES LURTON, THE HEAD OF A WINE FAMILY DYNASTY, RUNS THE CHATEAU LA LOUVIERE AND SEVERAL OTHER WINERIES IN 48 00:06:09,602 --> 00:06:17,210 BORDEAUX. HE SAYS VINE DISEASE IS GETTING WORSE ALL OVER FRANCE BECAUSE OF THE RISING TEMPERATURES. 49 00:06:17,276 --> 00:06:25,985 >> Lurton: WE DON'T HAVE WINTERS ANYMORE, ALMOST. IN WINTERTIME, NORMALLY YOU GET COLDER CONDITIONS. 50 00:06:26,052 --> 00:06:32,959 THESE COOL CONDITIONS TEND TO KILL THE FUNGUSES OR THE DISEASE. SO NORMALLY, WINTER CLEANS THE 51 00:06:33,025 --> 00:06:40,700 SITUATION, YOU SEE? BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS WHAT WE CALL SPRING FROST. 52 00:06:40,767 --> 00:06:50,076 >> Stahl: SPRING FROST WAS SO SEVERE IN APRIL THAT WINEGROWERS WERE ON THEIR KNEES LIGHTING BALES OF HAY AND CANDLES BETWEEN 53 00:06:50,143 --> 00:06:56,716 THEIR VINES IN A MOSTLY FUTILE ATTEMPT TO PROTECT THEIR YOUNG BUDS. >> Lurton: IT IS THE LARGEST 54 00:06:56,783 --> 00:07:02,622 CATASTROPHE WE HAVE EVER SUFFERED. BECAUSE, BEFORE, WE HAD SOME SPRING FROST IN SOME REGIONS, 55 00:07:02,688 --> 00:07:09,962 BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE IT ALL OVER FRANCE. NOW, DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE VERY STRONG 56 00:07:10,029 --> 00:07:17,336 WINTERS, THE BUDS START TO OPEN, AND THEN EXPOSE THEMSELVES TO THIS SERIES OF SPRING FROST THAT WE HAVE. 57 00:07:17,403 --> 00:07:24,977 >> Stahl: AND THAT IS THE CRUX-- >> Lurton: AND THAT, YOU SEE, IS WHAT AFFECT THE MOST THE QUANTITY OF THE GRAPES. 58 00:07:25,044 --> 00:07:32,251 >> Stahl: SO, TELL US ABOUT THIS YEAR, IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT. >> Lurton: IN AVERAGE, IN FRANCE THIS YEAR, A LOSS OF 30%. 59 00:07:32,318 --> 00:07:40,459 >> Stahl: 30% OF THE YIELDS. AND WHAT ABOUT YOU? WHAT'S YOUR PERCENT? >> Lurton: AND US, WE HAVE BEEN 60 00:07:40,526 --> 00:07:46,999 AFFECTED UP TO 40%. >> Stahl: SO, YOU'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST WINE PRODUCERS IN BORDEAUX. 61 00:07:47,066 --> 00:07:51,237 40% LOSS. I MEAN, THAT'S ENORMOUS. >> Lurton: IT'S HUGE. IT'S HUGE. 62 00:07:51,304 --> 00:07:59,612 >> Stahl: FOR BORDEAUX, HE ESTIMATES A LOSS OF ROUGHLY $800 MILLION IN SALES LAST YEAR. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S 63 00:07:59,679 --> 00:08:04,550 HAPPENING ALL OVER EUROPE OR-- OR JUST FRANCE? >> Greg Jones: NO. IT'S HAPPENING ALL OVER EUROPE, 64 00:08:04,617 --> 00:08:12,859 DEFINITELY. >> Stahl: GREG JONES IS A RESEARCH CLIMATOLOGIST WITH SOUTHERN OREGON UNIVERSITY, WHO 65 00:08:12,925 --> 00:08:19,432 FOR 25 YEARS HAS SPECIALIZED IN THE STUDY OF HOW CLIMATE INFLUENCES THE GROWING AND HARVESTING OF WINE GRAPES. 66 00:08:19,498 --> 00:08:24,036 >> Jones: WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS, WE'RE SEEING MORE OF THESE EXTREME EVENTS HAPPENING MORE FREQUENTLY AT GREATER 67 00:08:24,103 --> 00:08:27,640 DEGREES AND CAUSING MORE PROBLEMS. >> Stahl: YEAH, WE SEE IT EVERYWHERE. 68 00:08:27,707 --> 00:08:34,347 IT'S NOT JUST IN FARM REGIONS. I MEAN, EVERY PART OF OUR COUNTRY IS EXPERIENCING SOME EXTREME WEATHER CONDITION. 69 00:08:34,413 --> 00:08:42,054 SO, HOW DO YOU KNOW IT ISN'T THAT "NORMAL" EXTREME WEATHER, AS OPPOSED TO A GENERAL CLIMATE CHANGE? 70 00:08:42,121 --> 00:08:48,327 >> Jones: THERE'S AN AREA IN CLIMATE SCIENCE CALLED ATTRIBUTION SCIENCE. AND ATTRIBUTION SCIENCE IS ALL 71 00:08:48,394 --> 00:08:55,067 ABOUT TRYING TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH ROLE HUMANS HAVE IN THE GAME OF CLIMATE. SO, THE IDEA-- 72 00:08:55,134 --> 00:09:00,606 >> Stahl: OR WHO TO ATTRIBUTE IT TO, OKAY. >> Jones: YEAH, YEAH. SO, WHAT CLIMATOLOGISTS DO IS, 73 00:09:00,673 --> 00:09:06,679 WE DEVELOP MODELS THAT LOOK AT ASPECTS OF CLIMATE. AND THOSE MODELS THAT ARE COMING OUT ARE REALLY TELLING US MORE 74 00:09:06,746 --> 00:09:12,585 AND MORE THAT, IN THE ABSENCE OF HUMANS, MOST OF THESE THINGS WOULD NOT OCCUR TO THE SAME DEGREE THEY'RE OCCURRING TODAY. 75 00:09:12,652 --> 00:09:17,957 >> Stahl: TIE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT CLIMATE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN FRANCE NOW. >> Jones: SURE. 76 00:09:18,024 --> 00:09:22,528 IN-- IN-- IN FRANCE, JUST LIKE MOST OF EUROPE, TEMPERATURES HAVE GONE UP. SUMMERS HAVE GOTTEN DRYER. 77 00:09:22,595 --> 00:09:28,801 AND WINE GRAPES ARE JUST SENSITIVE. THEY'RE SENSITIVE TO THOSE KIND OF CHANGES, AND-- AND WE'VE BEEN 78 00:09:28,868 --> 00:09:33,806 SEEING IT WORLDWIDE. AND EUROPE HAS BEEN AT THE EPICENTER OF IT. >> Stahl: THIS WEATHER MAP OF 79 00:09:33,873 --> 00:09:44,250 EUROPE FOR JUNE 2021, THE SECOND-WARMEST JUNE IN EUROPE ON RECORD, SHOWS A RED BAND DEPICTING HIGH SURFACE AIR 80 00:09:44,317 --> 00:09:52,925 TEMPERATURES STRETCHING ACROSS MUCH OF THE CONTINENT. HEAT WAVES WERE ALSO RECORDED OVER WESTERN NORTH AMERICA IN 81 00:09:52,992 --> 00:10:01,367 JUNE 2021. SCORCHING TEMPERATURES AND DROUGHT CONDITIONS CONTRIBUTED TO WILDFIRES IN 2020 AROUND NAPA 82 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:10,643 AND SONOMA, THE CENTER OF AMERICA'S WINE INDUSTRY, WHERE FIELDS WERE LEFT BLACKENED. IN AUSTRALIA, THE BUSH FIRES OF 83 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:20,486 2019 AND '20 BURNT SOME VINEYARDS TO THE GROUND, WHILE SMOKE RUINED THE QUALITY OF THE GRAPES. 84 00:10:20,553 --> 00:10:28,928 IN 2017, IN ITALY, SPRING FROST, COMBINED WITH HAILSTORMS AND A HEAT WAVE KNOWN AS "LUCIFER," LED TO THE LOWEST HARVEST IN 85 00:10:28,995 --> 00:10:36,736 DECADES. PARTICULARLY HARD HIT WAS NORTHERN AND CENTRAL ITALY, WHERE PROSECCO, BAROLO AND 86 00:10:36,802 --> 00:10:42,608 CHIANTI ARE MADE. AND IN PARTS OF CHILE AND ARGENTINA, HIGHER TEMPERATURES ARE PUSHING WINE-GROWERS TO 87 00:10:42,675 --> 00:10:50,483 PLANT THEIR VINEYARDS AT HIGHER ALTITUDES, WHERE TEMPERATURES ARE COOLER. GREG JONES SAYS THE WARMING 88 00:10:50,549 --> 00:10:55,621 ATMOSPHERE IS ALSO CHANGING THE GRAPES' GROWTH CYCLE. >> Jones: IT ACCELERATES THAT RIPENING TO THE POINT THAT WE'RE 89 00:10:55,688 --> 00:11:03,996 PICKING EARLIER. FOR EXAMPLE, 2020, IN BURGUNDY, THE PICKING DATE WAS AUGUST 20. AND PRIOR TO THAT, WE'VE BEEN 90 00:11:04,063 --> 00:11:11,404 AVERAGING FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS, ABOUT SEPTEMBER 15. AND THEN, FOR 600 YEARS BEFORE THAT, WE WERE AVERAGING THE END 91 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:15,074 OF SEPTEMBER, FIRST OF OCTOBER. SO, YOU CAN-- >> Stahl: OH, SO IT'S DRAMATIC. >> Jones: SO IT'S PRETTY 92 00:11:15,141 --> 00:11:24,817 DRAMATIC. >> Stahl: THESE PAGES OF PARCHMENT, DOCUMENTING HARVEST DATES GOING BACK AS FAR AS 1354, 93 00:11:24,884 --> 00:11:29,088 WERE FOUND IN THE CHURCH OF NOTRE DAME IN BURGUNDY. 1354. >> Jones: IT'S A WONDERFUL DATA 94 00:11:29,155 --> 00:11:37,063 RECORD THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO LOOK AT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT CLIMATES WERE LIKE BACK THEN, HOW IT AFFECTED HARVESTS, 95 00:11:37,129 --> 00:11:40,900 AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TODAY. >> Stahl: I'M SMILING BECAUSE I'M THINKING, 1300s. I'M THINKING, THE MONKS WERE 96 00:11:40,966 --> 00:11:46,405 MAKING WINE. >> Jones: WELL, EXACTLY. >> Stahl: THE WINE INDUSTRY IN FRANCE IS SO VITAL TO THE 97 00:11:46,472 --> 00:11:54,713 ECONOMY THAT THE GOVERNMENT HAS SCIENTISTS STUDYING WAYS TO ADAPT AND MITIGATE THE CHANGING ENVIRONMENT. 98 00:11:54,780 --> 00:12:03,055 ONE ROUTE TO ADAPTATION IS TO INTRODUCE NEW GRAPE VARIETIES. EXPERIMENTAL VINEYARDS HAVE BEEN PLANTED WITH VINES FROM WARMER- 99 00:12:03,122 --> 00:12:12,298 CLIMATE COUNTRIES TO SEE IF THEY CAN GROW HERE, SO THE GRAPES CAN BE BLENDED IN WITH THE MERLOTS, CABERNETS AND OTHER FRENCH 100 00:12:12,364 --> 00:12:20,039 WINES. NATHALIE OLLAT IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE PROJECT AT THE BORDEAUX SCIENCE INSTITUTE OF VINE AND 101 00:12:20,106 --> 00:12:24,877 WINE. SO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT GRAPES THAT COME FROM SOUTHERN REGIONS THAT MAYBE GROW BETTER IN WARMER 102 00:12:24,944 --> 00:12:30,116 CLIMATES? >> Nathalie Ollat: YES. >> Stahl: LIKE FROM WHERE? >> Ollat: FROM SPAIN, FROM 103 00:12:30,182 --> 00:12:35,521 PORTUGAL, FROM GREECE. >> Stahl: HOW MANY ARE YOU ACTUALLY LOOKING AT? >> Ollat: SO, IN THIS 104 00:12:35,588 --> 00:12:42,461 EXPERIMENTAL VINEYARD, WE ARE STUDYING 52 DIFFERENT VARIETIES. >> Stahl: THEY'VE CHOSEN SIX OF THOSE VARIETIES THUS FAR TO BE 105 00:12:42,528 --> 00:12:50,603 PLANTED IN BORDEAUX. SO, THIS IS YOUR GREENHOUSE? >> Ollat: YES. THIS-- IT IS. 106 00:12:50,669 --> 00:12:56,609 >> Stahl: A SECOND ROUTE OF ADAPTATION IS GENETIC BREEDING. ARE YOU ACTUALLY CREATING NEW GRAPES; NEW, DIFFERENT KINDS OF 107 00:12:56,675 --> 00:13:05,117 GRAPES? >> Ollat: YES. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE GRAPES, NEW VARIETIES WHICH CAN BE RESISTANT 108 00:13:05,184 --> 00:13:13,125 TO DISEASE AND ALSO MORE ADAPTED TO CLIMATE CHANGE CONDITION. >> Stahl: AND DO NOT COMPROMISE THE DISTINCTIVE QUALITIES OF THE 109 00:13:13,192 --> 00:13:20,666 FRENCH WINES. AT THE INSTITUTE'S LABORATORY, SCIENTISTS ARE STUDYING THE GENETICS OF WINE'S COLOR, AROMA 110 00:13:20,733 --> 00:13:25,437 AND TASTE. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE EVEN AS YOU INTRODUCE NEW GRAPES? 111 00:13:25,504 --> 00:13:30,476 >> Ollat: YES. I THINK WE-- WE WANT TO CHANGE WITHOUT CHANGING, I WOULD SAY. >> Stahl: YES! 112 00:13:30,543 --> 00:13:37,483 HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CRACK THE PUZZLE; YOU'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO STAY AHEAD OF CLIMATE 113 00:13:37,550 --> 00:13:49,662 CHANGE? >> Ollat: ALL TOGETHER, WITH NEW VARIETIES, NEW GROWING PRACTICE, I THINK WE CAN-- WE CAN COPE 114 00:13:49,728 --> 00:13:56,168 WITH CLIMATE CHANGE, AT LEAST UNTIL THE-- THE MIDDLE OF THE 21st CENTURY. >> Stahl: THE MIDDLE OF THE 115 00:13:56,235 --> 00:13:59,872 CENTURY IS ONLY 30 YEARS FROM NOW. >> Ollat: YEAH, YEAH. >> Stahl: SO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 116 00:13:59,939 --> 00:14:08,747 HOW FAST TEMPERATURES ARE RISING, AND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THEY WILL RISE ABOVE A POINT WHERE YOU CAN'T... 117 00:14:08,814 --> 00:14:17,189 >> Ollat: THAT IT-- IT-- IT WILL BE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED TO KEEP WHAT WE CALL BORDEAUX STYLE AND BORDEAUX TASTE. 118 00:14:17,256 --> 00:14:25,798 >> Stahl: WITH ALL THE GLOOM AND DOOM ABOUT WARMING TEMPERATURES IN WINE COUNTRY, THERE'S ACTUALLY A SURPRISING UPSIDE. 119 00:14:25,864 --> 00:14:32,738 WHAT ABOUT QUALITY? WHAT ABOUT THE TASTE? WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT WINE? HOW IS CLIMATE CHANGE AFFECTING 120 00:14:32,805 --> 00:14:37,543 THAT? >> Lurton: ALORS, THE CLIMATE CHANGE IS AFFECTING THE QUALITY VERY POSITIVELY. 121 00:14:37,610 --> 00:14:46,151 >> Stahl: POSITIVELY? >> Lurton: YES, EX-- EXACTLY. WE HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A LARGE QUANTITY OF GOOD VINTAGES OF 122 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:54,960 BORDEAUX WINES. >> Stahl: WELL, EXPLAIN THAT. THAT'S COUNTERINTUITIVE. >> Lurton: THANKS TO THE GLOBAL 123 00:14:55,027 --> 00:15:00,299 WARMING AND THE CLIMATE CHANGE, NOW WE HAVE WARMER SUMMERS AND WHICH MEANS THAT OUR GRAPES ARE RIPENING BETTER. 124 00:15:00,366 --> 00:15:08,274 IF WE GET GOOD, WARM CONDITIONS, WE HAVE GOOD COLOR QUANTITY IN THE-- IN THE SKIN. BUT, AS WELL, WE HAVE THE RIGHT 125 00:15:08,340 --> 00:15:18,784 AMOUNT OF SUGAR. >> Stahl: WHAT A PAINFUL IRONY-- THE TASTE IMPROVES JUST AS THE YIELDS ARE SHRINKING FOR 126 00:15:18,851 --> 00:15:24,223 WINEMAKERS LIKE CHRISTINE SEVILLANO. SO, MORE QUALITY, BUT FEWER GRAPES. 127 00:15:24,290 --> 00:15:29,962 DRAMATICALLY FEWER GRAPES. >> Sevillano: YES. IT'S CRAZY. >> Stahl: IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER 128 00:15:30,029 --> 00:15:36,502 YEAR LIKE THIS ONE, FINANCIALLY, CAN YOU SURVIVE? >> Sevillano: IT WILL BE DIFFICULT. 129 00:15:36,568 --> 00:15:44,576 REALLY, REALLY DIFFICULT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I'M TRUSTFUL FOR NEXT YEAR. I MEAN, I'M TRUSTFUL. 130 00:15:44,643 --> 00:15:51,617 I HAVE TO. >> Stahl: IMPROVED TASTE IS NOT THE ONLY UNFORESEEN BENEFIT OF CLIMATE CHANGE FOR SOME 131 00:15:51,684 --> 00:15:59,191 WINEMAKERS. HOW IT'S AFFECTING THE BUBBLY YOU ARE LIKELY TO ENJOY AT THE NEXT PARTY OR WEDDING YOU 132 00:15:59,258 --> 00:16:12,905 ATTEND, WHEN WE RETURN. >> Stahl: FOR SOME WINEGROWERS, CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BEEN A DISASTER, AS WE'VE SEEN. 133 00:16:12,971 --> 00:16:20,512 BUT, AS IT TURNS OUT, CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BEEN A BOON FOR OTHERS. WHILE HIGHER TEMPERATURES HAVE 134 00:16:20,579 --> 00:16:28,220 HURT GROWERS IN FRANCE AND ITALY, PLACES THAT HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN TOO COLD TO PRODUCE QUALITY WINES ARE NOW TURNING 135 00:16:28,287 --> 00:16:35,327 OUT CONSISTENTLY GOOD ONES. FOR INSTANCE, AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN DECEMBER, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A 136 00:16:35,394 --> 00:16:43,702 VELVETY, WELL-BALANCED, FIRST- RATE WINE MADE IN ENGLAND IS WOEFULLY OUTDATED. TODAY, A NEW INDUSTRY HAS TAKEN 137 00:16:43,769 --> 00:16:50,242 ROOT. HEALTHY VINEYARDS IN ENGLAND ARE PRODUCING SOME OF THE WORLD'S BEST WINES. 138 00:16:50,309 --> 00:16:58,350 THIS SPRAWLING VINEYARD WITH ACRES AND ACRES OF WINE GRAPES READY FOR HARVEST IS LOCATED IN KENT, 40 MILES OUTSIDE OF 139 00:16:58,417 --> 00:17:08,026 LONDON. IT DIDN'T EXIST 15 YEARS AGO, BUT GREAT BRITAIN'S WINE- PRODUCING FORTUNES HAVE BEEN 140 00:17:08,093 --> 00:17:14,099 HEATING UP, ALONG WITH THE PLANET. SO, HOW HAS CLIMATE CHANGE AFFECTED THE GRAPES, THE WINE, 141 00:17:14,166 --> 00:17:20,406 IN THIS REGION? >> Stephen Skelton: WELL, IT'S COMPLETELY REVOLUTIONIZED IT. >> Stahl: STEPHEN SKELTON, A 142 00:17:20,472 --> 00:17:26,178 MEMBER OF THE HIGHLY-RESPECTED INSTITUTE OF MASTERS OF WINE, IS A VITICULTURIST, AN EXPERT IN THE SCIENCE, PRODUCTION, AND 143 00:17:26,245 --> 00:17:32,117 BUSINESS OF WINE GRAPES. I NEVER HEARD OF REALLY GOOD ENGLISH WINE, I HAVE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 144 00:17:32,184 --> 00:17:36,688 >> Skelton: NO, IT WAS-- IT WAS VERY, VERY RARE, UNTIL WE REALIZED THAT YOU COULD GROW THESE CLASSIC FRENCH CHAMPAGNE 145 00:17:36,755 --> 00:17:41,226 VARIETIES IN-- IN OUR CLIMATE. >> Stahl: THIS IS WHAT THEY GROW IN CHAMPAGNE? >> Skelton: YEAH. 146 00:17:41,293 --> 00:17:49,067 AND THEY NOW GROW VERY, VERY SUCCESSFULLY HERE IN THE U.K. >> Stahl: WHAT USED TO BE A MINUTE COTTAGE INDUSTRY RUN BY 147 00:17:49,134 --> 00:17:56,642 RETIREES AND GENTLEMAN FARMERS IS TODAY ONE OF THE FASTEST WINE-GROWING REGIONS IN THE WORLD. 148 00:17:56,708 --> 00:18:01,180 THIS IS QUITE AN OPERATION GOING ON. >> Skelton: OH, IT'S BIG. IT'S A BIG WINERY. 149 00:18:01,246 --> 00:18:08,253 >> Stahl: IN 2018, THE VINTAGE IN ENGLAND WAS SO BOUNTIFUL THAT SOME VINEYARDS HAD TO SCRAMBLE TO BUY VATS AND TANKS TO HOLD IT 150 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:17,062 ALL. OTHERS SIMPLY THREW GRAPES AWAY. BY THE END OF THE DECADE, WINEMAKERS HERE WILL PRODUCE AN 151 00:18:17,129 --> 00:18:22,768 ESTIMATED 20 MILLION BOTTLES A YEAR. >> Skelton: THE FOUNDATION OF TODAY'S INDUSTRY IS THE FACT 152 00:18:22,835 --> 00:18:27,639 THAT WE CAN GROW THESE VARIETIES, WHICH WE COULDN'T GROW EARLIER. >> Stahl: SO, WHY COULDN'T YOU 153 00:18:27,706 --> 00:18:30,943 DO IT BEFORE? >> Skelton: BECAUSE THE-- THE CLIMATE WAS TOO COLD. >> Stahl: YOU JUST HAD TO GET 154 00:18:31,009 --> 00:18:36,782 THE TEMPERATURE UP AND-- >> Skelton: YEAH. >> Stahl: SO, DOES GLOBAL WARMING MEAN THAT ENGLAND NOW 155 00:18:36,849 --> 00:18:41,954 HAS MORE DAYS FOR THE GRAPES TO RIPEN? IS THAT-- >> Skelton: YEAH, BECAUSE WE 156 00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:46,792 HAVE MORE DAYS OVER 85, 86 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT. WE ARE-- WE ARE IN THE U.K. NOW. WE'RE NOW WHERE CHAMPAGNE WAS 30 157 00:18:46,859 --> 00:18:54,066 OR 40 YEARS AGO. THE CLIMATE HAS SHIFTED IN 30 OR 40 YEARS UPWARDS; NORTH. NORTHWARDS. 158 00:18:54,132 --> 00:19:01,406 >> Stahl: SO, THE CLIMATE, RIGHT NOW, WHERE YOU AND I ARE SITTING IN ENGLAND, IS THE SAME AS THE CLIMATE WAS 40 YEARS AGO IN 159 00:19:01,473 --> 00:19:04,376 FRANCE. >> Skelton: IN CHAMPAGNE. >> Stahl: IN CHAMPAGNE, FRANCE. >> Skelton: IN CHAMPAGNE. 160 00:19:04,443 --> 00:19:10,849 YEAH. >> Stahl: HE TRACES THE BIRTH OF THE INDUSTRY HERE TO 1988. >> Skelton: THEN THERE CAME TWO 161 00:19:10,916 --> 00:19:16,788 AMERICANS, THE MOSSES-- STUART AND SANDY MOSS. THEY BOUGHT AN ESTATE CALLED NYETIMBER, WHICH IS VERY 162 00:19:16,855 --> 00:19:21,627 WELL-KNOWN TODAY, AND THEY WERE THE FIRST PEOPLE TO PLANT A BIG, COMMERCIAL VINEYARD. >> Stahl: WHAT DID YOU THINK? 163 00:19:21,693 --> 00:19:24,596 >> Skelton: I THOUGHT THEY WERE BONKERS. I HAVE TO SAY. >> Stahl: OKAY. 164 00:19:24,663 --> 00:19:31,837 >> Skelton: YEAH, I THOUGHT THEY WERE NUTS. I HEARD THEY WERE RICH AMERICANS UP IN THE HILLS. 165 00:19:31,904 --> 00:19:36,808 AND HE HAD A FORTUNE FROM, APPARENTLY, DENTAL. THE DENTAL BUSINESS. AND I THOUGHT THEY WERE MAD. 166 00:19:36,875 --> 00:19:43,148 THEIR FIRST WINE TOOK-- TOOK A LONG WHILE TO MATURE. IT WAS FOUR YEARS IN THE MAKING BEFORE IT WAS TASTED. 167 00:19:43,215 --> 00:19:46,818 AND THEN IT WON THIS MAJOR PRIZE. >> Stahl: RIGHT AWAY? FOUR YEARS. 168 00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:51,657 >> Skelton: YEAH, YEAH. AND THE NEXT YEAR, THE SECOND YEAR, THEY WON AN EVEN BIGGER PRIZE. 169 00:19:51,723 --> 00:19:58,764 >> Stahl: ARE YOU THINKING THAT IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, THE ENGLISH SPARKLING WINE WILL BE ACTUALLY BETTER THAN WHAT 170 00:19:58,830 --> 00:20:03,802 THEY'RE GROWING IN CHAMPAGNE? >> Skelton: THEY PRODUCE 300 MILLION BOTTLES A YEAR. THE BEST IS STILL VERY, VERY 171 00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:10,409 GOOD. THE BEST IS SUPERB. BUT YOU COULD LINE UP THE BEST TEN ENGLISH SPARKLING WINES 172 00:20:10,475 --> 00:20:15,080 AGAINST THE BEST TEN CHAMPAGNES IN THE SAME SORT OF PRIZE CATEGORY; I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THE ENGLISH WINES WOULD BE-- 173 00:20:15,147 --> 00:20:23,188 WOULD BE IN THE TOP HALF. >> Stahl: TO PROVE HIS POINT, HE GAVE US A TASTE, OPENING A TEN- YEAR-OLD BOTTLE. 174 00:20:23,255 --> 00:20:27,459 >> Skelton: WE'RE GOING TO OPEN IT... PROFESSIONALLY. >> Stahl: OH, NO POP! >> Skelton: NO POP. 175 00:20:27,526 --> 00:20:32,798 >> Stahl: LOOK AT THAT! THE LONGER SPARKLING WINE AGES, HE SAYS, THE BETTER. AND WHAT YOU LOOK FOR IS THE 176 00:20:32,864 --> 00:20:39,404 SPRITZ OF FIZZ ON THE PALETTE. >> Skelton: YOU SEE, YOU'VE GOT THE BUBBLES COMING FROM THERE. >> Stahl: AND THAT'S A GOOD 177 00:20:39,471 --> 00:20:43,075 THING. >> Skelton: YEAH. YOU SEE, THEY'RE NICE AND SMALL. AND THEN, YOU NOSE IT. 178 00:20:43,141 --> 00:20:47,012 YOU GET A NICE, YEASTY CHARACTER. BAKING BREAD-- BRIOCHE, AS WE CALL IT. 179 00:20:47,079 --> 00:20:55,454 AND THAT'S A GORGEOUS, GORGEOUS BOTTLE OF WINE. >> Stahl: WINSTON CHURCHILL ONCE SAID, "I COULD NOT LIVE WITHOUT 180 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:03,261 CHAMPAGNE. IN VICTORY, I DESERVE IT; IN DEFEAT, I NEED IT!" WELL, NOTHING WOULD HAVE PLEASED 181 00:21:03,328 --> 00:21:11,136 HIM MORE THAN TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE ENGLISH BUBBLY IS NOW SO GOOD, THE HOUSE OF TAITTINGER-- ONE OF THE MOST PRESTIGIOUS OF 182 00:21:11,203 --> 00:21:20,912 FRENCH CHAMPAGNE MAKERS-- IS IN ENGLAND! IT'S NOW GROWING 120 ACRES OF GRAPES AND IS MAKING SPARKLING 183 00:21:20,979 --> 00:21:25,884 WINE NEAR CANTERBURY, IN WHAT'S KNOWN AS "THE GARDEN OF ENGLAND." PATRICK McGRATH, WHO REPRESENTS 184 00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:34,459 TAITTINGER IN GREAT BRITAIN, PERSUADED THE COMPANY TO INVEST HERE IN 2015. HAVE YOU BROUGHT THE GRAPES FROM 185 00:21:34,526 --> 00:21:41,166 FRANCE? >> Patrick McGrath: YEAH. THE-- THE VINES WERE IMPORTED FROM FRANCE AS-- AS TINY, LITTLE 186 00:21:41,233 --> 00:21:47,139 VINES, AND THE FIRST CROP WE HAD FROM THEM WAS IN 2020. AND THEN, THAT WINE WILL BE RELEASED AT THE END OF 2024. 187 00:21:47,205 --> 00:21:56,248 >> Stahl: YOU KNOW, IN-- IN FRANCE, PART OF THE PROBLEM IS NOT JUST WARMING; IT'S EXTREME WEATHER CONDITIONS. 188 00:21:56,314 --> 00:22:01,687 YOU KNOW, TOO MUCH FLOODING, TOO MUCH FROST, TOO HOT. WON'T ENGLAND ALSO HAVE EXTREME SITUATIONS LIKE THAT? 189 00:22:01,753 --> 00:22:09,494 >> McGrath: NOT AT THE MOMENT. WE'RE FORTUNATE, YOU KNOW. ENGLAND IS COMING ONTO THE RADAR AS BEING AN AREA THAT IS 190 00:22:09,561 --> 00:22:16,568 WARMING, BUT IS STILL MODERATE IN TERMS OF HEAT, COMPARED TO SOUTH AND CENTRAL EUROPE, WHERE IT'S BECOMING VERY, VERY HOT. 191 00:22:16,635 --> 00:22:26,545 >> Stahl: DO YOU THINK THAT WINE LOVERS AROUND THE WORLD ALREADY KNOW THAT GREAT WINES ARE COMING OUT OF ENGLAND? 192 00:22:26,611 --> 00:22:32,718 IN OTHER WORDS-- IS IT "OOH, LA LA" NO MORE? IT'S "JOLLY GOOD"? >> McGrath: I THINK-- I THINK 193 00:22:32,784 --> 00:22:41,159 IN-- WE'RE STILL AT THE, SORT OF-- IN THE STARTING BLOCK. BUT, CERTAINLY, YES. OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THE-- 194 00:22:41,226 --> 00:22:48,967 FROM A SMALL BASE, THE SALES OF ENGLISH HAVE BEEN GROWING SUBSTANTIALLY. >> Stahl: TAITTINGER'S AIM IS TO 195 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:57,008 PRODUCE 300,000 BOTTLES A YEAR BY 2025. OVERALL, THE ENGLISH WINE INDUSTRY HAD $220 MILLION IN 196 00:22:57,075 --> 00:23:04,349 SALES IN 2020. THE IDEA OF FIRST-RATE ENGLISH WINE WOULD HAVE BEEN LAUGHED AT 20 YEARS AGO, BUT A SIMILAR 197 00:23:04,416 --> 00:23:14,259 MIGRATION HAS HAPPENED ON THE WEST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES, WHERE EXCELLENT AND INCREASINGLY POPULAR PINOT AND CHARDONNAY 198 00:23:14,326 --> 00:23:21,566 GRAPES ARE NOW FOUND 560 MILES NORTH OF NAPA, IN WILLAMETTE VALLEY, OREGON. >> Greg Jones: IN THE 1950s AND 199 00:23:21,633 --> 00:23:27,906 '60s, THERE WERE REALLY ALMOST NO GRAPES GROWN IN OREGON. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE CLIMATES WERE TOO COLD. 200 00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:33,478 AND SO, IF YOU FAST FORWARD TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, WE'RE JUST IN A DIFFERENT WORLD. >> Stahl: GREG JONES, A WINE 201 00:23:33,545 --> 00:23:41,920 CLIMATOLOGIST AT SOUTHERN OREGON UNIVERSITY, SAYS GRAPES ARE NOW GROWING IN EVEN MORE UNEXPECTED PLACES. 202 00:23:41,987 --> 00:23:48,059 >> Jones: WE HAVE WINERIES TODAY IN NORWAY, IN QUEBEC, IN-- IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, IN TASMANIA, IN-- IN THE SOUTH ISLANDS OF-- 203 00:23:48,126 --> 00:23:52,297 OF CHILE. >> Stahl: TASMANIAN WINE. >> Jones: YEAH, TASMANIA'S REALLY BEEN BURGEONING AS REALLY 204 00:23:52,364 --> 00:23:58,603 A GREAT WINE-PRODUCING REGION IN AUSTRALIA. >> Stahl: OH, WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING. 205 00:23:58,670 --> 00:24:06,111 TASMANIA IS SOUTH OF AUSTRALIA. >> Jones: SURE. >> Stahl: SO, AS WINEMAKING GOES NORTH IN THE NORTHERN 206 00:24:06,178 --> 00:24:08,747 HEMISPHERE, ARE YOU SAYING IT'S GOING SOUTH... >> Jones: SOUTH. YES, YEAH. 207 00:24:08,814 --> 00:24:13,084 >> Stahl: ...IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE? >> Jones: YEAH. IT'S GOING FURTHER POLEWARD IN 208 00:24:13,151 --> 00:24:19,758 BOTH HEMISPHERES. IN PARTS OF SOUTHERN ARGENTINA AND CHILE, AND-- AND PARTS OF-- MANY PARTS OF NORTHERN EUROPE 209 00:24:19,825 --> 00:24:28,066 HAVE STARTED GROWING GRAPES. >> Stahl: IN REAL TIME. >> Jones: IN REAL TIME. >> Stahl: SO, IF YOU REALLY WANT 210 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:33,338 A VERY VIVID "NOW" EXAMPLE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING DUE TO CLIMATE CHANGE, GO LOOK AT WINE. >> Jones: YEAH, YOU CAN. 211 00:24:33,405 --> 00:24:41,213 PEOPLE ARE EXPERIMENTING AT-- AT NORTHERLY LATITUDES, THAT-- I'M AMAZED THAT IN MY CAREER I DIDN'T THINK I WOULD SEE IT. 212 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:47,085 >> Stahl: IN THE UNITED KINGDOM, AS A MEASURE OF ITS ACCEPTANCE, ENGLISH SPARKLING WINE HAS HAD THE ROYAL IMPRIMATUR, THE QUEEN 213 00:24:47,152 --> 00:24:57,128 SERVING IT AT BUCKINGHAM PALACE. AND IT WAS POURED AT THE RECENT CLIMATE CHANGE SUMMIT IN SCOTLAND. 214 00:24:57,195 --> 00:25:04,369 MASTER OF WINE STEPHEN SKELTON IS BULLISH ON THE FUTURE. IF GLOBAL WARMING IS INTENSIFYING, HOW WORRIED ARE 215 00:25:04,436 --> 00:25:11,142 YOU AND THE OTHER ENGLISH VINTNERS THAT IT'S GOING TO MOVE NORTH BEYOND YOUR ABILITY TO GROW GOOD GRAPES? 216 00:25:11,209 --> 00:25:14,713 >> Stephen Skelton: NO, I'M NOT WORRIED AT ALL. I MEAN, THE NEXT 40 YEARS IS GOING TO BE FASCINATING, I 217 00:25:14,779 --> 00:25:19,050 THINK. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST ON THE CUSP OF IT BEING REALLY COMMERCIAL. 218 00:25:19,117 --> 00:25:23,321 OUR YIELD LEVELS ARE NOT QUITE WHERE WE WANT THEM YET. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT MORE HEAT. 219 00:25:23,388 --> 00:25:30,028 >> Stahl: YOU MIGHT GET IT. >> Skelton: YEAH. >> Stahl: BUT EVENTUALLY... >> Skelton: WHO KNOWS? 220 00:25:30,095 --> 00:25:34,199 WE'LL HAVE TO START GROWING ORANGES AND BANANAS. >> Stahl: I MEAN, IT'S A SERIOUS QUESTION. 221 00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:40,739 >> Skelton: YEAH. PERSONALLY, I THINK WE WILL COPE WITH-- WITH WHAT'S BEING THROWN AT US. 222 00:25:40,805 --> 00:25:46,945 >> Stahl: SOME OF THE WINEMAKERS WE MET ARE BENEFITING, SOME ARE SUFFERING, BUT ALL ARE SEEING FIRST-HAND THE MESSAGE THAT 223 00:25:47,012 --> 00:25:53,118 CLIMATE CHANGE IS DELIVERING. >> Jones: WINE GRAPES HAVE OFTEN BEEN CALLED THE CANARY IN THE COAL MINE. 224 00:25:53,184 --> 00:26:00,825 >> Stahl: CLIMATOLOGIST GREG JONES SAYS THAT'S BEEN TRUE SINCE THE FIRST WINE WAS MADE IN 6000 B.C. IN EASTERN EUROPE, AND 225 00:26:00,892 --> 00:26:06,264 THEN SPREAD TO ANCIENT EGYPT, GREECE, AND PERSIA. KINGS CELEBRATED THEIR VICTORIES WITH WINE, AND THE CHRISTIAN 226 00:26:06,331 --> 00:26:16,441 WORLD PUT IT AT THE HEART OF THE EUCHARIST. WINE HISTORY, JONES SAYS, IS HUMAN HISTORY. 227 00:26:16,508 --> 00:26:21,613 >> Jones: WINE TOUCHES SOCIETY IN SOME PRETTY POWERFUL WAYS. IT'S RELATED TO CIVILIZATIONS. IT'S RELATED TO HISTORY. 228 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:27,485 IT'S RELATED TO GEOGRAPHY. IT'S RELATED TO ROMANTICISM, ART, GASTRONOMY, BIOLOGY, CHEMISTRY. 229 00:26:27,552 --> 00:26:35,260 SO, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE TIED TO IT THAT IT BECOMES SOMETHING THAT WE CAN-- WE CAN TELL THE STORY OF CLIMATE CHANGE 230 00:26:35,327 --> 00:26:39,764 THROUGH WINE PRETTY EASILY. ( TICKING ) 231 00:26:41,766 --> 00:26:49,240 >> FROM THE "60 MINUTES" ARCHIVE: HOW CLIMATE CHANGE IS RESHAPING MANY FACETS OF OUR WORLD. 232 00:26:49,307 --> 00:26:57,449 GO TO 60minutesovertime.com. ( TICKING ) 233 00:26:59,851 --> 00:27:07,392 >> Stahl: WE WERE NEARING LAST CALL ON THE GRANDEST OF BRITISH INSTITUTIONS: THE PUB. AFTER ENDURING FOR HUNDREDS OF 234 00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:15,300 YEARS AS CENTERS FOR SCHMOOZING AND BOOZING, PUBS WERE GOING THE WAY OF MORNING NEWSPAPERS, AFTERNOON TEA, AND THE WHOLE 235 00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:26,578 IDEA OF EMPIRE. A RANGE OF FACTORS UNDERCUT THE KIND OF NEIGHBORHOOD JOINT WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS YOUR NAME. 236 00:27:26,644 --> 00:27:33,385 THEN CAME COVID, WHICH KEPT MOST BRITISH PUBS CLOSED FOR MORE THAN A YEAR. BUT LAST SUMMER, THE U.K. 237 00:27:33,451 --> 00:27:42,394 REOPENED, AND-- NOT UNLIKE AN OVER-SERVED PATRON-- THE PUB STORY STARTED TO STAGGER AND LURCH IN AN UNEXPECTED 238 00:27:42,460 --> 00:27:50,435 DIRECTION. AND, AS JON WERTHEIM FIRST REPORTED IN OCTOBER, MAYBE IT'S NOT QUITE CLOSING TIME AFTER 239 00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:56,641 ALL. >> Jon Wertheirm: 1,200-PLUS YEARS OLD? A MAN WALKS INTO A PUB. 240 00:27:56,708 --> 00:28:05,450 OF COURSE HE DOES. IN THIS CASE, IT'S A VERY OLD PUB, YE OLDE FIGHTING COCKS, IN ST. ALBANS OUTSIDE LONDON. 241 00:28:05,517 --> 00:28:11,189 ITS LANDLORD, OR PUBLICAN, IS CHRISTO TOFALLI. SO YOUR PUB IS ONE OF DOZENS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT CLAIMS TO BE 242 00:28:11,256 --> 00:28:14,759 THE OLDEST EVER? >> Christo Tofalli: YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. >> Wertheirm: MAKE-- MAKE YOUR 243 00:28:14,826 --> 00:28:17,929 CASE. MAKE YOUR CASE. >> Tofalli: IT TURNS OUT THERE'S A BIT OF A MISCONCEPTION, WHICH 244 00:28:17,996 --> 00:28:23,401 ONE'S THE OLDEST AND WHAT THE OLDEST PUB IS. SO, WE'RE THE OLDEST PUB. THE FIRST BRICK WAS LAID IN 793, 245 00:28:23,468 --> 00:28:28,540 AND THE OLDEST INHABITED BUILDING IN EUROPE. VIKINGS INVADED ENGLAND IN THE SAME YEAR THE FIRST BRICK WAS 246 00:28:28,606 --> 00:28:34,479 LAID, IN 793. >> Wertheirm: I SUSPECT VIKINGS WOULD LIKE THIS PLACE. >> Tofalli: THEY WOULD LOVE THIS 247 00:28:34,546 --> 00:28:39,317 PLACE. >> Wertheirm: BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, LET'S DEFINE OUR TERMS: WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT MERE 248 00:28:39,384 --> 00:28:46,591 BARS, OR FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SPORTS BARS. THESE ARE PUBS, SHORT FOR PUBLIC HOUSES. 249 00:28:46,658 --> 00:28:54,532 THEY EXIST AS MUCH FOR CONVIVIALITY AS FOR WHAT'S ON TAP: COLD LAGER, AND TO THE SHOCK OF FIRST-TIMERS, WARM ALE. 250 00:28:54,599 --> 00:29:02,373 THEY'VE BEEN CORNERSTONES OF THE CULTURE HERE FOR CENTURIES. THE WRITER/COMEDIAN AL MURRAY BELIEVES THE VALUE PROPOSITION 251 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,145 GOES WELL BEYOND BEER. >> Al Murray: IT'S A COMMUNITY PLACE. IT'S A COMMUNITARIAN PLACE, IN A 252 00:29:07,212 --> 00:29:10,615 WAY THAT SITTING IN YOUR FRONT ROOM WATCHING TELEVISION JUST ISN'T. >> Wertheirm: WHAT IS IT ABOUT 253 00:29:10,682 --> 00:29:15,954 THIS CULTURE THAT HAS SUCH APPEAL TO YOU? >> Murray: TO SOUND SORT OF IDEALISTIC ABOUT IT, PRINCES AND 254 00:29:16,020 --> 00:29:22,694 PAUPERS ARE EQUALLY WELCOME IN HERE. AND GIVEN THAT BRITAIN IS SUCH A CLASS-RIDDEN SOCIETY, THERE ARE 255 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,032 VERY FEW PLACES WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU STAND AT THE BAR AND YOUR-- YOUR MONEY'S AS GOOD AS ANYONE ELSE'S. 256 00:29:28,099 --> 00:29:31,970 >> Wertheirm: YOU SOUND LIKE A PUB ROMANTIC. >> Murray: I AM COMPLETELY ROMANTIC ABOUT THE IDEA OF PUBS. 257 00:29:32,036 --> 00:29:35,840 >> Wertheirm: WHY? >> Murray: THERE IS SOMETHING GENUINELY BEAUTIFUL ABOUT THE IDEA OF SOMEWHERE WHERE ANYONE 258 00:29:35,907 --> 00:29:44,082 CAN GO AT ANY TIME AND SIT IN THE CORNER, WITH-- WITH THEIR OWN THOUGHTS AND A DRINK, AND IT'S A BEAUTIFUL NOTION. 259 00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:50,889 >> Wertheirm: YOU DON'T GO TO TURNER'S OLD STAR FOR QUIET CONTEMPLATION. ONE OF THE LAST OF THE SO-CALLED 260 00:29:50,955 --> 00:29:56,728 BOOZERS IN LONDON'S EAST END, IT'S THE HEARTBEAT OF THE PROUDLY WORKING-CLASS COMMUNITY HERE. 261 00:29:56,794 --> 00:30:01,799 PUT IN A DAY OF WORK-- YOU WORK HARD, YOU COME IN, AND THEN YOU... ? >> Pub Patron: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 262 00:30:01,866 --> 00:30:07,572 YOU WORK HARD ALL DAY AND THEN YOU, KIND OF LIKE-- IT'S JUST LIKE HAVING A MENTAL SHOWER AFTER A HARD DAY'S WORK. 263 00:30:07,639 --> 00:30:12,076 KIND OF WIND DOWN. IT'S LIKE A REAL-LIFE "CHEERS," I GUESS, YOU KNOW? >> Pub Patron: THEY MAKE YOU 264 00:30:12,143 --> 00:30:16,714 FEEL WELCOME. THEY MAKE YOU FEEL WELCOME. YOU'RE FAMILY. YOU'RE FAMILY. 265 00:30:16,781 --> 00:30:20,752 >> Wertheirm: PAUL AND BERNICE DREW HAVE RUN THE OLD STAR FOR 17 YEARS. THEY MET ACROSS THE STREET. 266 00:30:20,818 --> 00:30:29,160 GOT ENGAGED HERE. THEY LIVE UPSTAIRS. THE PUB IS THEIR LIVING ROOM, THE REGULARS, THEIR OLDEST 267 00:30:29,227 --> 00:30:32,297 FRIENDS. WHEN YOU SAY "REGULARS," THOUGH, THESE ARE REALLY REGULARS. >> Paul Drew: OH YEAH, EVERYDAY. 268 00:30:32,363 --> 00:30:36,601 >> Bernice Drew: EVERYBODY. EVERYONE FROM NAUGHT TO 90 ENJOYS THEMSELVES. THERE'S A CORE OF PEOPLE, I 269 00:30:36,668 --> 00:30:43,841 SUPPOSE TEN, 15 PEOPLE, THAT COME IN EVERY DAY REGARDLESS. WINTER, SUMMER, WHENEVER. >> Paul Drew: THEY ALL COME, 270 00:30:43,908 --> 00:30:49,214 HAVE THEIR COUPLE OF BEERS, HAVE A LAUGH. CHEW THE WAG, AS THEY SAY. AND, YOU KNOW, SLAG EVERYONE 271 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,883 OFF. ( LAUGHS ) THEY'RE ALWAYS HAVING A GO AT EACH OTHER. 272 00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:55,520 ( LAUGHTER ) >> Wertheirm: I HEAR YOU SAY WITH A REAL PRIDE, "THIS IS A PROPER PUB." 273 00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:59,123 >> Paul Drew: IT IS. IT'S MY PUB PUB. IT'S WHAT WE CALL IT, DON'T WE? >> Bernice Drew: NO, IT'S A PUB 274 00:30:59,190 --> 00:31:02,627 PUB. >> Paul Drew: WE CALL IT OUR PUB PUB. >> Wertheirm: FOR CENTURIES, 275 00:31:02,694 --> 00:31:11,202 PUBS HAVE BEEN AS MUCH SALON AS SALOON, AS THEY'VE TAKEN A STOOL AND WATCHED HISTORY AND MYTH UNFOLD. 276 00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:17,875 IN LONDON'S SOHO, THE FRENCH HOUSE WAS WHERE BOHEMIANS WOULD RUB SHOULDERS WITH RESISTANCE LEADERS. 277 00:31:17,942 --> 00:31:24,782 AFTER PARIS FELL TO THE NAZIS IN 1940, CHARLES DE GAULLE, IN EXILE, IS SAID TO HAVE WRITTEN HIS FAMOUS SPEECH TO THE FRENCH 278 00:31:24,849 --> 00:31:33,791 FREE FORCES HERE. A LITTLE FURTHER EAST ON THE RIVER THAMES, LEGEND HAS IT THAT THE 17th CENTURY JUDGE JEFFREYS 279 00:31:33,858 --> 00:31:41,266 WOULD WATCH THOSE HE SENTENCED HANG, AS HE LUNCHED AND SIPPED ALE AT THE PROSPECT OF WHITBY. AND THEN THERE'S THE CHOLERA 280 00:31:41,332 --> 00:31:47,839 EPIDEMIC THAT GRIPPED LONDON IN 1854, KILLING 550 PEOPLE IN TWO WEEKS. A LOCAL DOCTOR, JOHN SNOW, 281 00:31:47,905 --> 00:31:56,214 FIGURED OUT THE PROBLEM: CONTAMINATED WATER FROM A WELL WAS SPREADING THE DISEASE, AND SIMPLY REMOVING THE HANDLE FROM 282 00:31:56,281 --> 00:32:04,055 THE PUMP EFFECTIVELY ENDED THE EPIDEMIC. JOHN SNOW WASN'T KNIGHTED, BUT HE DID RECEIVE WHAT MIGHT BE THE 283 00:32:04,122 --> 00:32:13,665 NEXT-HIGHEST BRITISH HONOR-- CHRISTENING A PUB AFTER SOMEONE IS AN EXCEPTION. MANY PUB NAMES READ LIKE DRUNKEN 284 00:32:13,731 --> 00:32:19,270 "MAD LIBS:" RANDOM ADJECTIVE PLUS RANDOM NOUN, OFTEN AN ANIMAL. THE APE AND APPLE. 285 00:32:19,337 --> 00:32:24,175 THE SNOOTY FOX. THE DRUNKEN DUCK. THE BLACK DOG. FOR PETE BROWN, BRITAIN'S 286 00:32:24,242 --> 00:32:32,884 LEADING WRITER ON BEER AND PUBS, THESE NAMES OFFER A CLUE TO EVERY ESTABLISHMENT'S STORY. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? 287 00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:37,388 >> Pete Brown: IT'S BECOME ONE OF THE QUIRKY ASPECTS OF THE BRITISH PUB. BUT IT-- IT STARTS OFF IN A VERY 288 00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:43,294 PRACTICAL WAY, WHICH IS THAT MOST OF THE POPULATION WHO WENT TO PUBS UNTIL RECENTLY WERE ILLITERATE. 289 00:32:43,361 --> 00:32:47,699 SO, YOU COULDN'T PUT A NAME SIGN UP. YOU HAD TO HAVE A PICTORIAL SIGN. 290 00:32:47,765 --> 00:32:51,736 SO YOU-- YOU'D PICK A PICT-- YOU'D PICK A PICTURE OF SOMETHING THAT HAD SOME RESONANCE WITH PEOPLE. 291 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:57,175 BUT THEN, SOME OF THE ONES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, I THINK, IT'S KIND OF THE PUB SELF- SATIRIZING ITSELF. 292 00:32:57,241 --> 00:33:03,614 >> Wertheirm: AND IT'S NOT JUST PUB NAMES THAT VEER TOWARD THE COLORFUL AND ECCENTRIC. JUST BEHIND LONDON'S LAW COURTS, 293 00:33:03,681 --> 00:33:12,090 AND THEN BEHIND THE BAR, YOU'LL FIND THE OWNER, CHEF, AND STAR PERFORMER OF THE SEVEN STARS PUB, THE TALENTED MRS. ROXY 294 00:33:12,156 --> 00:33:17,995 BEAUJOLAIS. YOUR HUSBAND IS AMERICAN. >> Roxy Beaujolais: YES. >> Wertheirm: HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN 295 00:33:18,062 --> 00:33:21,432 WHAT YOU DO TO-- TO HIS FAMILY? >> Beaujolais: WELL, WHEN I WAS FIRST INTRODUCED TO THEM, ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, HIS MOTHER ASKED 296 00:33:21,499 --> 00:33:30,541 ME WHAT I DID. AND I SAID, "I'M A PUBLICAN." SHE SAID, "WHAT?" AND MY HUSBAND DOVE IN AND SAID, 297 00:33:30,608 --> 00:33:35,246 "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, MAMA. N-- NOT A REPUBLICAN! ( LAUGHS ) A PUBLICAN-- A TAVERN KEEPER." 298 00:33:35,313 --> 00:33:41,686 >> Wertheirm: SO WHAT-- WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS JOB THAT CLEARLY FEEDS SOMETHING IN YOU? >> Beaujolais: I'M GOOD AT IT, 299 00:33:41,753 --> 00:33:45,490 DARLING. ( LAUGHTER ) I'M GOOD AT IT. YOU KNOW, I COOK, I-- YOU KNOW, 300 00:33:45,556 --> 00:33:53,998 I HAVE A PASSING INTEREST IN THE PRODUCT THAT I SELL, MYSELF. YOU KNOW, I LOVE IT. >> Wertheirm: FOR THE LAST 25 301 00:33:54,065 --> 00:33:58,770 YEARS, COMEDIAN AL MURRAY HAS LOVED PLAYING THE FIGURE BEHIND THE BAR. HIS ALTER EGO ON STAGES? 302 00:33:58,836 --> 00:34:05,610 A HEAD-SHAVED, OVER-OPINIONATED BLOWHARD HE CALLS "THE PUB LANDLORD." >> Pub Landlord: WE'RE SENSIBLE 303 00:34:05,676 --> 00:34:11,616 PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY, AREN'T WE? DOWN TO EARTH PEOPLE. WE NEVER PUT A MAN ON THE MOON. 304 00:34:11,682 --> 00:34:16,120 NAH, THE MOON WAS NEVER GOING TO BE PART OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE, WAS IT? NAH. 305 00:34:16,187 --> 00:34:21,426 THERE'S NO ONE TO GIVE IT BACK TO, ONCE WERE DONE WITH IT, WAS THERE? >> Wertheirm: WHAT IS IT ABOUT 306 00:34:21,492 --> 00:34:27,031 THAT ARCHETYPE? >> Murray: HE'S A KNOW-ALL WHO KNOWS NOTHING. IT'S-- IT'S A GUY WHO HAS POWER 307 00:34:27,098 --> 00:34:31,836 BUT NO AUTHORITY. IT'S A GUY WHO IS-- IS WRITING INTELLECTUAL CHECKS HE CAN'T POSSIBLY CASH. 308 00:34:31,903 --> 00:34:38,409 >> Wertheirm: A MILE-- MILE WIDE, INCH DEEP. >> Murray: IT'S THE WHOLE SWIRL OF WHAT HAPPENS IN A PUB. 309 00:34:38,476 --> 00:34:43,915 THE PUBLICAN IS THE CONDUIT, THE CONFESSOR, THE-- THE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, HIGH PRIEST, IN-- IN A SPACE LIKE THIS. 310 00:34:43,981 --> 00:34:52,924 SO, ALL GOES THROUGH HIM. >> Wertheirm: IT'S ALL GOOD FUN, BUT AS HIS CHARACTER SUGGESTS, PUB CULTURE IS, IF NOT ERODING, 311 00:34:52,990 --> 00:35:00,198 UNDERGOING CONSIDERABLE CHANGE. FOR GENERATIONS, THE NUMBER OF BRITISH PUBS HAS BEEN DECLINING. FROM 65,000 TO FEWER THAN 50,000 312 00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:11,108 IN THE LAST 25 YEARS. THE CAUSES OF DEATH ARE MANY: HIGH BEER DUTY, A SMOKING BAN, CHEAP SUPERMARKET LAGER, PEOPLE 313 00:35:11,175 --> 00:35:17,482 DRINKING LESS. PERHAPS THE BIGGEST CULPRITS? VENTURE CAPITALISTS AND DEVELOPERS MORE INTERESTED IN A 314 00:35:17,548 --> 00:35:24,388 PUB'S REAL ESTATE THAN WHAT'S ON TAP. AND THEN, IN MARCH 2020 CAME THE HAMMER BLOW-- COVID-19. 315 00:35:24,455 --> 00:35:31,462 WHAT WAS IT LIKE WHEN THIS CLOSED FOR THE FIRST TIME? >> Tofalli: SOUL-DESTROYING. I MEAN, IN BUSINESS TERMS-- 316 00:35:31,529 --> 00:35:40,171 LETHAL. I STILL HAVEN'T GOT ANY WORDS FOR IT, JON. IT-- IT-- IT-- WE HAVE A PASSION 317 00:35:40,238 --> 00:35:45,176 TO OPEN THE DOOR EVERY SINGLE DAY. >> Wertheirm: THIS-- THIS WASN'T JUST, CHANGE THE SIGN ON THE 318 00:35:45,243 --> 00:35:51,816 DOOR? THIS SOUNDS ALMOST EXISTENTIAL? >> Tofalli: OH, IT'S TERMINAL, FOR A LOT OF PUBS. 319 00:35:51,883 --> 00:36:01,158 >> Wertheirm: EVEN IN THE WORST OF TIMES-- THE NAPOLEONIC WARS, THE SPANISH FLU-- PUBS DID NOT CLOSE. 320 00:36:01,225 --> 00:36:06,464 DESPITE THE BOMBINGS IN THE BLITZ, CHURCHILL INSISTED THAT PUBS REMAIN OPEN. HOW BAD CAN THINGS BE, IF WE CAN 321 00:36:06,531 --> 00:36:12,403 STILL PULL A PINT? >> Newsreel: THIS IS JUST A LITTLE STORY TO SHOW THAT THE SPIRIT OF THE PUBS IS EXCELLENT; 322 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:19,744 THEIR HOUSES BOMBED, THEY CARRY ON OUTSIDE. >> Wertheirm: THE LOCKDOWN GAVE BRITAIN A GLIMPSE OF A FUTURE 323 00:36:19,810 --> 00:36:27,552 WITHOUT PUBS. FOR MONTHS, THE COBBLED STREETS WHERE DICKENS ONCE WALKED: SILENT. 324 00:36:27,618 --> 00:36:32,957 THE TAVERNS WHERE CHAUCER OR SHAKESPEARE MIGHT HAVE DRUNK: EMPTY. MILLIONS OF BARRELS OF BEER 325 00:36:33,024 --> 00:36:40,631 LITERALLY DOWN THE DRAIN. WHAT DOES THIS COUNTRY STAND TO LOSE IF PUBS DIMINISH? >> Brown: PART OF ITS IDENTITY. 326 00:36:40,698 --> 00:36:47,138 WE CELEBRATE OUR NATIONALITY IN A VERY QUIET WAY. IN-- IN A VERY MODEST WAY. AND THE PUB IS THE PERFECT 327 00:36:47,204 --> 00:36:53,144 EXAMPLE OF THAT. WE'RE-- WE'RE PROUD OF THE PUB. AND IF IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM US, I THINK WE'D LOSE SOMETHING 328 00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:56,948 OF WHAT DEFINES US, AS A NATION. >> Wertheirm: IT'S NOT FLAG- WAVING JINGOISM, BUT-- BUT COMING IN HERE IS SORT OF AN-- 329 00:36:57,014 --> 00:37:00,618 AN-- AN-- >> Brown: YEAH. >> Wertheirm: --ACT OF PATRIOTISM, YOU'RE SAYING. 330 00:37:00,685 --> 00:37:07,258 >> Brown: IT'S JUST COMING IN AND JUST GOING, "YEAH, I'LL HAVE ANOTHER PINT, THANK YOU." >> Wertheirm: COMING OUT OF 331 00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:17,535 LOCKDOWN, THE PINT-WIELDING PATRIOTS BELIEVED, MORE THAN EVER, THAT THE PUB IS AN INSTITUTION WORTH SAVING. 332 00:37:17,602 --> 00:37:24,141 SAVING THE TRADITIONAL PUB, IS THAT NOSTALGIA FOR A BRITAIN THAT MAY NO LONGER EXIST? >> Murray: OH, THERE ARE SO MANY 333 00:37:24,208 --> 00:37:30,748 BRITAINS THAT MAY NO LONGER EXIST, BUT THE-- THE ONE THAT'S WORTH SAVING IS THE PUB, SURELY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED 334 00:37:30,815 --> 00:37:35,019 A NAVY ANYMORE, DO WE? WE NEED PUBS. ( LAUGHS ) >> Wertheirm: IN A CHANGING 335 00:37:35,086 --> 00:37:42,093 BRITAIN, NOSTALGIA CAN RESIDE AT THE BOTTOM OF A GLASS. IN THE OH-SO-ENGLISH VILLAGE OF ALDWORTH IN BERKSHIRE, YOU'LL 336 00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:50,635 FIND JUST A CRICKET GREEN, A CHURCH, A FEW HOUSES, AND A PUB RESISTANT TO TIME. THE BELL INN HAS BEEN IN THE 337 00:37:50,701 --> 00:37:57,308 FAMILY OF HEATHER MACAULAY FOR 200 YEARS. SHE WAS BORN IN THE PUB, AND NOW, AT AGE 85, RUNS IT WITH HER 338 00:37:57,375 --> 00:38:07,385 SON, HUGH. HOW MANY GENERATIONS IN-- IN THESE 200 YEARS? >> Heather Macaulay: WE GO AS-- 339 00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:14,659 IT WAS JAMES AND HUGH AND THOMAS AND RONALD AND THEN ME. FIVE, I SUPPOSE. >> Wertheirm: WE'VE TALKED TO 340 00:38:14,725 --> 00:38:21,298 SOME PUB OWNERS WHO'VE SAID THEY-- THEY FELT THIS PRESSURE TO EVOLVE, AND THEY'RE TRYING GOURMET FOOD AND D.J.s AND 341 00:38:21,365 --> 00:38:27,838 TECHNOLOGY. >> Hugh Macaulay: HERE, NO. WE ARE PLAIN, SIMPLE. THAT'S HOW WE SURVIVE, THAT'S 342 00:38:27,905 --> 00:38:32,643 HOW WE'RE GOING TO SURVIVE. I DON'T THINK WE'LL EVER BE PUTTING TVs IN HERE, SOMEHOW. >> Heather Macaulay: OH NO, NO. 343 00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:39,650 WELL, I DON'T EVEN HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. >> ertheirm: PUBS LIKE THE BELL INNS AND THE OLD STARS HAVE DONE 344 00:38:39,717 --> 00:38:46,490 WHAT THEY'VE ALWAYS DONE, SERVED THEIR COMMUNITIES. BUT WHERE DOES THE REST OF THE COUNTRY FIT IN? 345 00:38:46,557 --> 00:38:54,498 NIGERIAN-BORN CLEMENT OGBONNAYA IS PROUD OWNER OF THE PRINCE OF PECKHAM IN SOUTH LONDON. HE HAS TAKEN THE MAGIC OF THE 346 00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:59,136 PUB AND ADAPTED IT TO MULTICULTURAL, 21st CENTURY BRITAIN. >> Wertheirm: YOU HEAR THE WORD 347 00:38:59,203 --> 00:39:02,673 "PUB" 20 YEARS AGO. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? >> Clement Ogbonnaya: I'M THINKING, I'M NOT GOING THERE. 348 00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:05,776 ( LAUGHS ) >> Wertheirm: SO, PLAY THAT OUT FOR ME. YOU WALK INTO A CONVENTIONAL PUB 349 00:39:05,843 --> 00:39:12,249 AND, WHAT HAPPENS? >> Ogbonnaya: THINK OF CLINT EASTWOOD IN A WESTERN MOVIE. LIKE, EVERYONE LOOKS AT THE DOOR 350 00:39:12,316 --> 00:39:15,786 SWINGING-- "WHO'S THAT GUY?" THAT'S HOW-- THAT'S HOW I FELT IN SOME PUBS I WALKED IN. >> Wertheirm: PIANO STOPS 351 00:39:15,853 --> 00:39:20,825 PLAYING? >> Ogbonnaya: ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. >> Wertheirm: FOUR YEARS AGO, 352 00:39:20,891 --> 00:39:27,998 CLEMENT BOUGHT UP A NEIGHBORHOOD JOINT DESTINED TO BE TURNED INTO AN APARTMENT BLOCK OR A MINI- MARKET. 353 00:39:28,065 --> 00:39:32,169 >> Ogbonnaya: PUBS PLAY A MASSIVE PART IN REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITIES, REPRESENTING THE UNDER-REPRESENTED, THE 354 00:39:32,236 --> 00:39:38,142 MARGINALIZED, AND GIVING THEM A SPACE, GIVING THEM SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE, THEY CAN CONGREGATE, THEY CAN SHARE 355 00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:44,115 IDEAS. >> Werheirm: WHEN KIDS TODAY HEAR THE WORD "PUB," WHAT-- WHAT DO YOU WANT THEM TO THINK? 356 00:39:44,181 --> 00:39:47,518 >> Ogbonnaya: I WANT THEM TO THINK, "THAT'S-- THAT'S A SPACE FOR ME. THAT'S A SPACE WHERE I CAN BE. 357 00:39:47,585 --> 00:39:50,788 THAT'S A SPACE WHERE I CAN CELEBRATE. THAT'S A SPACE WHERE I CAN HANG OUT, I CAN LAUGH, I CAN MOURN." 358 00:39:50,855 --> 00:39:55,259 >> Wertheirm: THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING FOR, WHEN YOU OPENED THIS PLACE. >> Ogbonnaya: I JUST-- I JUST 359 00:39:55,326 --> 00:40:04,602 LOVE SEEING THE MELTING POT THAT IS LONDON REFLECTED IN THIS PUB. >> Wertheirm: BEER AND GOOD CHEER WON'T SAVE THEM ALL. 360 00:40:04,668 --> 00:40:12,810 WE HAD TO POUR ONE OUT FOR ONE OF THE OLDEST PUBS IN THE COUNTRY, YE OLDE FIGHTING COCKS. THEY HAD TO CALL CLOSING TIME 361 00:40:12,877 --> 00:40:21,385 LAST WEEKEND, ANOTHER FINANCIAL COVID CASUALTY. BUT THE PRINCE OF PECKHAM MAY HAVE SEIZED ON A WAY OUT-- CATER 362 00:40:21,452 --> 00:40:27,057 TO AN EVOLVING AND EVER- CHANGING BRITAIN. THOSE PINTS, AFTER ALL, AREN'T GOING TO DRINK THEMSELVES. 363 00:40:27,124 --> 00:40:40,671 ( TICKING ) >> Stahl: I'M LESLEY STAHL. THANKS FOR JOINING US. 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