Captioning funded by CBS and FORD. We go further, so you can. >> 77 YEARS AGO, IN THIS
AMSTERDAM ANNEX, ANNE FRANK, HER FAMILY, AND FOUR OTHERS WERE DISCOVERED BY THE NAZIS AFTER MORE THAN TWO YEARS IN HIDING.
OH, WOW. THIS-- THIS IS THE FAMOUS-- >> THIS IS THE BOOKCASE. >> BOOKCASE.
>> TH-- THIS IS THE BOOKCASE. IT WAS USED TO CAMOUFLAGE THE ENTRANCE TO THE HIDING PLACE. >> IT'S ONE OF THE MOST WELL-
KNOWN ACCOUNTS OF LIFE UNDER NAZI OCCUPATION, AND ONE WITHOUT A CRITICAL ANSWER: WHO BETRAYED ANNE FRANK'S FAMILY?
THIS RETIRED F.B.I. AGENT, AND HIS ALL STAR TEAM OF INVESTIGATORS, BELIEVE THEY HAVE FINALLY FOUND THE ANSWER-- AND A
SURPRISING TWIST. WAIT, WAIT. SO, IN THE FILES, THER'S REFERENCE TO A NOTE THAT OTTO
FRANK RECEIVED THAT MENTIONS THIS SPECIFIC NAME? >> REMARKABLY SO. YES.
IT'S LISTED RIGHT THERE. ( TICKING ) ♪ ♪ ♪ >> ON STAGE, CHRIS STAPLETON CAN
SILENCE AN ARENA WITH A SLOW BURNING BALLAD. ♪ ♪ ♪ OR MANIPULATE HIS GUITAR TO
SOUND LIKE TROUBLE WALKING THROUGH THE DOOR. ♪ ♪ ♪ SO, WHY ARE MUSICIANS LIKE ADELE
AND PINK SO EAGER TO WORK WITH THIS CLEARLY COUNTRY MUSICIAN? JUST LISTEN. ♪ ♪ ♪
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( TICKING ) >> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES, TONIGHT, ON "60 MINUTES."
PUBLICATION, "THE DIARY OF ANNE FRANK" REMAINS AMONG THE MOST WIDELY-READ BOOKS IN THE WORLD. BLINKERING BETWEEN HOPE AND
DESPAIR, THE ACCOUNT OF A JEWISH TEENAGER'S LIFE IN HIDING IN AN ANNEX BEHIND AN AMSTERDAM WAREHOUSE, GAVE VOICE AND A FACE
TO MILLIONS OF VICTIMS OF THE NAZI GENOCIDE. YET ONE QUESTION HAS GONE STUBBORNLY UNANSWERED ALL THESE
YEARS: WHO ALERTED THE NAZI SEARCH TEAM, IN 1944, TO ANNE FRANK AND HER FAMILY'S HIDING PLACE?
TWO DUTCH POLICE INQUIRIES AND COUNTLESS HISTORIANS HAVE COME UP WITH THEORIES, BUT NO FIRM CONCLUSIONS.
THEN, IN 2016, A TEAM OF INVESTIGATORS, LED BY A VETERAN F.B.I. AGENT, DECIDED TO BRING MODERN CRIME-SOLVING TECHNIQUES
AND TECHNOLOGY TO THIS COLD CASE. AND NOW, THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN ANSWER, ONE WE'LL SHARE WITH
YOU TONIGHT, TO A QUESTION THAT'S BEDEVILED HISTORIANS, AND HAUNTED HOLLAND: WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE, FOR THE BETRAYAL?
>> VINCE PANKOKE HAD TURNED IN HIS BADGE AND GUN. HE WAS TWO YEARS INTO A COMFORTABLE FLORIDA RETIREMENT,
WHEN HIS PHONE RANG IN THE SPRING OF 2016. >> I RECEIVED A CALL FROM A COLLEAGUE FROM THE NETHERLANDS
WHO SAID, "IF YOU-- IF YOU'RE DONE LAYING ON THE BEACH, WE HAVE A CASE FOR YOU." >> WERE YOU LAYING ON THE BEACH?
>> I WAS ACTUALLY DRIVING TO THE BEACH. I WASN'T QUITE THERE YET. >> PANKOKE SPENT THREE DECADES
AS AN F.B.I. SPECIAL AGENT, TARGETING COLOMBIAN DRUG CARTELS. HIS WORK HAD ALSO TAKEN HIM TO
THE NETHERLANDS, WHERE HIS INVESTIGATIVE CHOPS LEFT AN IMPRESSION. >> WERE YOU LOOKING TO GET BACK
WHEN HE TOLD YOU WHAT IT WAS ABOUT? >> AFTER HE TOLD ME IT WAS TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO SOLVE THE
MYSTERY OF WHAT CAUSED THE RAID FOR ANNE FRANK AND THE OTHERS IN THE ANNEX, I NEEDED TO HEAR MORE.
>> 4,000 MILES AWAY, IN AMSTERDAM, THIJS BAYENS, A DUTCH FILMMAKER AND DOCUMENTARIAN, HAD BEEN ASKING AROUND FOR A
CREDENTIALED INVESTIGATOR TO DIG INTO A QUESTION THAT HE FEELS HOLLAND HAS NEVER QUITE RECKONED WITH, ONE THAT GETS TO THE
ESSENCE OF HUMAN NATURE. >> FOR ME, IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO INVESTIGATE WHAT MAKES US GIVE UP ON EACH OTHER.
THE AREA WHERE ANNE FRANK LIVED IS VERY NORMAL, AND IT'S A VERY WARM AREA WITH THE BUTCHER AND THE DOCTOR AND THE POLICEMAN.
THEY WORKED TOGETHER. THEY LOVED EACH OTHER. THEY LIVED TOGETHER. AND SUDDENLY PEOPLE START TO
BETRAY ON EACH OTHER. HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN? >> OF THE MILLIONS, LITERALLY MILLIONS OF STORIES TO COME OUT
OF THE HOLOCAUST, WHY DO YOU THINK THIS ONE RESONATES THE WAY IT DOES? >> I THINK RIGHT AFTER THE WAR
PEOPLE WERE SHOWN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, THE ATROCITIES THAT TOOK PLACE, THE HORROR.
AND, SUDDENLY, YOU FIND THIS INNOCENT, BEAUTIFUL, VERY SMART, FUNNY, TALENTED GIRL. AND SHE AS A LIGHTHOUSE COMES
OUT OF THE DARKNESS. AND THEN I THINK HUMANITY SAID, "THIS IS WHO WE ARE." >> BETRAYING FELLOW DUTCH TO THE
NAZIS WAS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE IN THE NETHERLANDS, BUT TWO POLICE PROBES AND A WHOLE LIBRARY OF BOOKS DEDICATED TO THE ANNE
FRANK CASE, YIELDED NEITHER CONVICTIONS NOR DEFINITIVE CONCLUSIONS. THIS QUESTION OF WHO BETRAYED
ANNE FRANK, THAT HAD BEEN INVESTIGATED FOR YEARS. WHAT WAS GOING TO MAKE YOUR INVESTIGATION DIFFERENT THAN THE
ONES BEFORE IT? >> IF IT'S A CRIMINAL ACT, IT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED BY THE POLICE.
SO WE SET IT UP AS A COLD CASE. >> LIKE SO MANY, PANKOKE HAD READ THE DIARY IN MIDDLE SCHOOL IN WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA AND IT
LEFT A MARK. THERE WOULD BE NO PERP WALKS OR BUSTED CRIME SYNDICATES HERE, BUT HE WAS INTRIGUED,
CAUTIOUSLY. YOU HEAR, "WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ANNE FRANK." AND THAT MIGHT HAVE THE RING OF
SOME SCHLOCKY MEDIA CREATION. DID THAT WORRY YOU? >> OH, IT DID. IT DID, BECAUSE AS A CAREER INVESTIGATOR, I
DIDN'T WNAT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH ANY TYPE OF A TABLOID TYPE INVESTIGATION. >> YOU HAD TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS
SERIOUS. >> LET'S FACE IT, I MEAN, THE HONOR OF THE DIARY, THE HONOR OF ANNE FRANK, WE HAD TO TREAT
THIS WITH UTMOST RESPECT. >> WHAT ULTIMATELY SEALED IT THE GUARANTEE OF ABSOLUTE AUTONOMY.
THERE WOULD BE A BOOK ABOUT IT WHICH HELPED FINANCE THE PROJECT ALONG WITH FUNDING FROM THE CITY OF AMSTERDAM.
BUT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN INDEPENDENT UNDERTAKING WITH SERIOUS INVESTIGATORS. AND VINCE PANKOKE WAS GOING TO
TAKE THE LEAD DIGGING IN. YOU HAD DONE COLD BASES BEFORE. BEFORE THIS, WHAT WAS THE BIGGEST GAP IN TIME BETWEEN WHEN
YOU WERE APROSMED AND THE CRIME OCCURRED? >> IT WAS ABOUT A FIVE-YEAR CRIME AT THAT POINT.
>> 75 YEARS, SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT. >> IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT. >> THIS IS MORE THAN COLD.
>> YEAH, THIS WAS FROZEN. >> TO CHIP AWAY, PANKOKE HAD TO DRAW UP HIS OWN BLUEPRINT. HE KNEW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO
BE MORE INFORMATION TO PLOW THROUGH THAN ANY HUMAN COULD HANDLE AND THAT ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE COULD BE A SECRET
WEAPON. AN F.B.I.'S DREAM TEAM WAS ASSEMBLED: AN INVESTIGATIVE PSYCHOLOGIST, HISTORIANS,
CRIMINOLOGISTS, PLUS AN ARMY OF ARCHIVAL RESEARCHERS. WHAT DID ALL THESE PEOPLE WITH DISPARATE SKILLS BRING TO THIS?
>> THEY BROUGHT A DIFFERENT VIEW. IT WAS ALL OF THESE SKILLS THAT HELP US UNDERSTAND AND PUT INTO
CONTEXT A CRIME THAT HAPPENED IN 1944 WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS DIFFERENTLY. >> TOGETHER, THEY DOVE INTO A
FAMILIAR STORY. THE FRANK FAMILY HAD MOVED TO AMSTERDAM FROM GERMANY TO ESCAPE THE RISE OF HITLER.
THEY FOUND SAFETY IN HOLLAND, WHERE OTTO FRANK RAN A MANUFACTURING BUSINESS. BUT THEN, THE NAZIS INVADED IN
1940. TWO YEARS LATER, THE TWO YEARS LATER, THE FRANKS-- OTTO, WIFE EDITH, ANNE, AND HER
SISTER, MARGOT, ALONG WITH FOUR OTHER JEWISH FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY WENT INTO HIDING IN AN ANNEX BEHIND OTTO'S
WAREHOUSE. TODAY IT'S PRESERVED AS A MUSEUM DR. GERTJAN BROEK, A HISTORIAN AT THE ANNE FRANK HOUSE, SHOWED
US IN. OH, WOW. THIS-- THIS IS THE FAMOUS BOOKCASE. >> THIS IS THE BOOKCASE-
IT WAS USED TO CAMOUFLAGE THE ENTRANCE TO THE HIDING PLACE. >> THE BOOKCASE HELPED PROTECT THE FRANKS, AS DID A HANDFUL OF
OTTO'S CLOSE COLLEAGUES AT THE WAREHOUSE WHO WERE IN ON THE SECRET. >> WE GO INSIDE, MIND YOUR HEAD.
>> OH, WOW AFTER THE RAID, THE NAZIS TOOK ANYTHING THAT WASN'T NAILED DOWN.
THESE RECREATIONS SHOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE: TWO CRAMMED FLOORS, 761 DAYS, MORE THAN TWO EXCRUCIATING YEARS INDOORS.
THE OFFICE WORKERS BROUGHT FOOD AND SUPPLIES, BUT THE EIGHT IN HIDING COULDN'T MAKE A SOUND DURING THE DAY.
BY NIGHT, THEY COULD LISTEN TO THE RADIO, DESPERATELY PLOTTING UPDATES FROM THE FRONT ON THIS MAP.
>> HERE'S A NEWSPAPER CLIPPING FROM SHORTLY AFTER D-DAY-- SO JUNE, 1944-- WITH THE PINS THAT TRIED TO FOLLOW THE ADVANCES OF
THE ALLIED TROOPS IN THE DAYS AND WEEKS PROBABLY AFTER. >> THIS IS JUNE, 1944. >> JUNE 1944--
SO THERE'S HOPE BECAUSE ALLIED FORCES ARE ON THE WAY. THEIR LIFE DEPENDED ON WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
>> ANNE'S BEDROOM WALLS- FAMILIAR TO ANY TEENAGER-- PRESERVED FROM THE DAY SHE WAS TAKEN AWAY.
HERE, SHE CHRONICLED THE MONOTONY AND THE HORROR OF LIFE IN HIDING. "OUTSIDE THINGS ARE TERRIBLE,
DAY AND NIGHT" SHE WROTE IN JANUARY 1943. "THESE POOR PEOPLE ARE BEING DRAGGED AWAY, WITH NOTHING BUT A
BACKPACK AND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY." HER LAST ENTRY WAS DATED AUGUST 1, 1944.
SHE WAS 15. TAKE ME TO THE DAY OF THE RAID. IT'S THE SUMMER OF 1944, AND WHAT HAPPENS THAT DAY?
>> IT'S A WARM DAY, SUNNY. AND AROUND 10:30, BETWEEN 10:30 AND 11:00, A COUPLE OF MEN WALK IN.
>> THEY WERE DETECTIVES WITH A DUTCH POLICE UNIT WORKING WITH THE NAZIS. AN S.S. OFFICER NAMED
SILBERBAUER LEAD THE TEAM. THEY DEMANDED TO BE SHOWN AROUND ARE THE WAREHOUSE. >> THEY END UP IN FRONT OF THE
BOOKCASE WHICH IS HIDING THE ENTRANCE TO THE ANNEX. AND IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO REALIZE THAT TWO OF THE
POLICEMEN PRESENT HAD BEEN SEASONED DETECTIVES, WELL EXPERIENCED. THEY HAD BEEN SEARCHING THIS
TYPE OF BUILDING IN THE INNER CITY OF AMSTERDAM BEFORE. >> THEY KNEW THERE WAS LIKELY SOMETHING BEHIND THAT BOOKCASE.
THE STUNNED INHABITANTS THEY FOUND WERE MARCHED OUT. ON THE FLOOR BEHIND THEM, ANNE'S DIARY, WHICH A QUICK-THINKING
OFFICE WORKER LOYAL TO THE FRANKS, PRESERVED. OF THE EIGHT TAKEN AWAY, OTTO FRANK WAS THE ONLY SURVIVOR.
THE OTHERS WERE AMONG THE 100,000 DUTCH YOUS TOO DIE AT THE HANDS OF THE NAUGHTIES. IN AN INTERVIEW WITH CBS IN
1964, OTTO RECOUNTED WHAT HAPPENED WHEN HIS FAMILY WAS PUT ON THE CATTLE CARS TO AUSCHWITZ A MONTH AFTER THEIR CAPTURE.
>> ON SEPTEMBER 4, 1944, WHEN WE ARRIVED IN AUSCHWITZ, THERE WERE MEN STANDING THERE WITH CLUBS. "WOMEN HERE, MEN THERE."
WE WERE SEPARATED RIGHT IN THE STATION. THE WOMEN WENT TO BERK NOW CAMP AND WE WENT TO AUSCHWITZ CAMP.
I NEVER SAW MY FAMILY AGAIN. >> AFTER THE WAR, OTTO FRANK WAS DETERMINED TO FIND OUT WHO BETRAYED THE HIDING PLACE TO THE
NAZIS. IT WAS THE QUESTION MANY READERS ASKED AFTER HE PUBLISHED HIS DAUGHTER'S DIARY IN 1947.
BUT AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS OTTO ABRUPTLY STOPPED LOOKING. MORE ON THAT CURIOUS DECISION LATER.
WHEN VINCE PANKOKE WENT TO AMSTERDAM TO BEGIN HIS SEARCH, HIS FIRST STOP, NATURALLY, WAS THE SCREEN OF THE CRIME.
>> I CALL THIS THE MOST VISITED CRIME SCENE IN THE WORLD, BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE FROM ALL OVERLET WORLD, YOU KNOW,
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COME HERE. >> SO WHEN YOU COME HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR?
>> WELL, AS AN INVESTIGATOR, I WANT TO SEE WHAT'S IN THE AREA. OF COURSE I WANT TO SEE INSIDE THE BUILDING.
I WANT TO RECONSTRUCT HOW THE ACTUAL ARREST TOOK PLACE AND WHO PARTICIPATED IN IT. >> PANKOKE AND HIS TEAM SPENT
HOURS IN THE ANNEX LOOKING FOR ANY CLUE, HOWEVER REMOTE. >> SO YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT THROUGH THOSE BUSHES.
>> HE ALSO CASED THE EXTERIOR, TODAY ALMOST EXACTLY AS IT WAS THEN. >> THIS IS THE COURTYARD THAT IS
BEHIND THE ANNEX, AND IT'S, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S TOTALLY ENCLOSED. THIS COURTYARD AREA IS
SURROUNDED BY THE BUILDINGS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> I THINK THE ONE COUGH THAT GETS OVERHEARD, ONE WINDOW THAT
HAPPENS TO BE OPEN AT THE WRONG TIME, THE SHEER RISK FACTOR HERE IS EXTRAORDINARY. >> IT IS EXTRAORDINARY.
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE CASE, ONE OF THE THEORIES THAT WAS OUT THERE IS THAT THE RAID MAY HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY SOMEBODY IN THE
IMMEDIATE AREA SEEING SOMETHING, HEARING SOMETHING, AND REPORTING IT. SO, THEREFORE, WE TRACKED AND
IDENTIFIED EVERY RESIDENT THAT LIVED IN THIS BLOCK AND ADJACENT STREETS. >> USING THE ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE PROGRAM, PANKOKE AND HIS TEAM MAPPED POTENTIAL THREATS. IN THE COURTYARD SURROUNDING THE
ANNEX, THEY FOUND NAZI PARTY MEMBERS AND EVEN KNOWN INFORMANTS. >> ALL LIVING JUST A WALL OR TWO
AWAY FROM ONE ANOTHER. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE THREATS, THE QUESTION ISN'T, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAUSED THE RAID?
THE QUESTION MIGHT BE HOW DID THEY LAST MORE THAN TWO YEARS WITHOUT BEING DISCOVERED? >> IT STRIKES ME IN A CASE LIKE
THIS ANYONE COULD BE A SUSPECT-- A NAZI SYMPATHIZER, AN INFORMANT, SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS TO WALK BY AND HEAR A COUGH.
HOW DID YOU NAVIGATE THAT? >> WE HAD TO CONSIDER ALL THOSE OPTIONS. THE TEAM AND I SAT DOWN AND WE
COMPILED A LIST OF WAYS IN WHICH THE ANNEX COULD HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED. YOU KNOW, WAS IT CARELESSNESS O
THE PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE ANNEX, MAYBE MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE OR BEING SEEN IN THE WINDOWS? YOU KNOW, WAS IT BETRAYAL?
>> THERE IS A THEORY OUT THERE THAT NO ONE BETRAYED THE FRANK FAMILY. THIS WAS COINCIDENCE OR THIS WAS
GOOD DETECTIVE WORK. DO YOU BUY THAT AT ALL? >> NO, NO. I MEAN, WE TOOK THAT THEORY
APART, YOU KNOW, BIT BY BIT. >> THIS DOESN'T PLAY OUT THE WAY IT DOES BUT FOR A SPECIFIC TIP. >> EXACTLY.
>> WHO PROVIDED THAT TIP TO THE NAZIS? WHEN WE COME BACK, VINCE PANKOKE AND THE COLD CASE TEAM NARROW
DOWN THEIR LIST OF SUSPECTS. AND FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, WE'LL REVEAL WHO THEY BELIEVE BETRAYED THE FRANKS?
30-YEAR F.B.I. VETERAN, HAD WORKED PLENTY OF COLD CASES, BUT NONE THIS COLD.
IT HAD BEEN MORE THAN SEVEN DECADES SINCE ANNE FRANK AND HER FAMILY HAD BEEN DISCOVERED IN THEIR HIDING PLACE IN CENTRAL
AMSTERDAM AND ULTIMATELY PUT ON CATTLE CARS TO AUSCHWITZ. AS TO THE QUESTION OF WHO BETRAYED THE FAMILY TO THE
NAZIS, ALL THE WITNESSES WERE LONG DEAD, THEIR EVIDENCE THINNED BY TIME. BUT PANKOKE LEANED ON DECADES OF
EXPERIENCE AND INTUITION, STARTING WITH THE OLD CASE FILES. >> IN A NORMAL COLD CASE, YOU GO
TO A FILE, YOU PULL IT OUT, YOU READ THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT THE PREVIOUS INVESTIGATION DID-- INTERVIEWS, LEADS THAT WERE
FOLLOWED UP ON. >> TWO PREVIOUS DUTCH POLICE INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE RAID ON ANNE FRANK'S HIDING PLACE, ONE
IN 1948 AND ANOTHER IN 1963, WERE NOT EXACTLY MASTER CLASSES IN DETECTIVE WORK AND A LOT OF TIME HAD PASSED.
>> THE FILES WERE INCOMPLETE, AND THEY WERE SCATTERED ABOUT IN PROBABLY A DOZEN DIFFERENT ARCHIVES.
REPORTS WERE MISSING, WITNESSES HAD PASSED ON, MEMORIES HAD FAILED >> PULLING FROM THE STANDARD
COLD CASE PLAYBOOK, VINCE PANKOKE FOLLOWED UP ON WHAT LEADS HE COULD. OTHERWISE, HE AND HIS TEAM HAD
TO TAKE A FRESH APPROACH. THEY SPENT YEARS IN PLACES LIKE THE AMSTERDAM CITY ARCHIVES, WHERE THE METICULOUS DUTCH
RECORDKEEPING USED SO BRUTALLY BY THE NAZIS PROVED A MAJOR ASSET TO THE INVESTIGATION. >> PEOPLE WERE FORCED TO WEAR
THE STAR. >> ALONG WITH PIETER VAN TWISK, A VETERAN DUTCH JOURNALIST WHO COFOUNDED THIS PROJECT AND LED
THE RESEARCH TEAM, THEY SHOWED US A TROVE OF ITEMS THEY DUG UP, INCLUDING A RESIDENCE CARD BELONGING TO ANNE FRANK.
>> YOU CAN SEE HER, HER NAME, HER FIRST NAME, HER SECOND NAME, AND SURNAME, AND DATE OF BIRTH. HERE YOU SEE AN "EYE" WHICH IS
HER RELIGION. >> AND ISRAELI. JEWISH. >> SHE WAS JEWISH, YES.
>> EVERY DUTCH RESIDENT HAD TO HAVE ONE OF THESE? >> YES. >> THIS IS VERY DETAILED AND
THIS IS HER PARENTS' BIT, DATES ON IT. >> THAT IS ALL WHY IT WAS SO EASY FOR NAZIS TO FIND PEOPLE IN
THE NETHERLANDS AND KNOW WHO WAS JEWISH AND WHO WAS NOT JEWISH. >> ONE PIECE OF PAPER IN THE 40s, AND YOU HAVE EVERYTHING
YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SOMEONE. >> YES. >> THE TEAM FED EVERY MORSAL THEY COULD-- LETTERS, MAPS,
PHOTOS, EVEN WHOLE BOOKS-- INTO THE ARTIFICIALLY INTELLIGENCE DATABASE DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PROJECT.
THEN THEY LET MACHINE LEARNING DO ITS THING. >> IT WOULD IDENTIFY RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN PEOPLE,
ADDRESSES THAT WERE ALIKE. AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR THOSE CONNECTIONS, CLUES TO SOLVING THIS.
>> QUANTIFY HOW MUCH TIME THAT SAVED YOU. >> OH, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF MANHOURS.
>> THIS ALSO TELLS YOU WHAT'S GARBAGE, WHAT'S EXCLUDED, WHAT ISN'T GOING TO HELP YOUR CASE. >> OH, YEAH, BECAUSE MUCH OF
WHAT WE DO IS ELIMINATING THE UNNECESSARY. >> THE TEAM PAID PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO ARREST RECORDS FROM
THE TIME. THE NAZIS WERE HELL . ON RIDDING THE NETHERLANDS OF ALL JEWS, PART OF THE FINAL SOLUTION.
BY 1942, THE FRANKS REMEMBER AMONG SOME 25,000 JEWS HIDING ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THE NAZIS WERE SKILLED AT
FETTING PEOPLE TO TALK. >> THEIR TYPICAL M.O. WAS ONCE THEY ARRESTED SOMEBODY THE FIRST QUESTION THAT WAS POSED TO THEM,
"DO YOU KNOW WHERE ANY OTHER JEWS WERE IN HIDING?" WE CHRONICLED ALL THE ARRESTS PRIOR TO AND AFTER THE ANNEX
RATE TO FIND ANY CONNECTION, ANY LOOSE THREAD THAT WOULD SHOW US THEY WENT FROM ONE ARREST TO ANOTHER AND ULTIMATELY TO THE
ANNEX. >> AND THE IMPLICATION IS I'LL MAKE YOUR SENTENCE MORE LENIENT IF YOU GIVE UP SOME NAMES?
>> YEAH. >> EFFECTIVE? >> OH, IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE. >> BEFORE LONG, SUSPECTS
EMERGED, DOZENS OF THEM, LIKE BILLAM VAN MERE, AN EMPLOYEE IN THE WAREHOUSE WHERE THE FRANKS WERE HIDING.
>> HE WAS PRIME SUSPECT UNDER ONE AFTER THE WAR. HE'S WORKING DOWNSTAIRS IN THE WAREHOUSE.
HE WAS VERY SHIFTY, SUSPICIOUS, ACTUALLY A THIEF. >> SEEMS A SHIFTY, SUSPICIOUS THIEF, AND YET YOU ELIMINATED
HIM AS A SUSPECT. >> NOT A BETRAR, THOUGH. HE WAS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC. HE HAD INCENTIVE NOT TO BETRAY
THEM, BECAUSE IF HE DID, HE WOULD HAVE LOST HIS JOB. THE BUSINESS WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED.
>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU LOOKING FOR WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING SUSPECTS? >> WE'RE LOOKING AT DID THEY
HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE? WE LOOK AT THEIR MOTIVE. YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THE MOTIVE BE?
WERE THEY ANTI-SEMITIC? WHERE THEY TRYING TO DO THIS FOR MONEY? AND OPPORTUNITY, WERE THEY EVEN
IN TOWN? >> THIS KNOWLEDGE, MOTIVE, OPPORTUNITY, YOU'RE USING THAT WHEN ENFIL TRAITING DRUG
CARTELS? >> IT'S STANDARD LAW ENFORCEMENT TECHNIQUE. >> WHAT KIND OF A PERSON WOULD
BETRAY THE FRANK FAMILY? >> I WOULD EXPECT MAYBE THAT A VERY BAD PERSON, THAT THIS PERSON WAS, SAY, PSYCHOPATHIC
MIND, WOULD DO THIS. >> VANDER MERE KNOWS PSYCHOPATHIC MINESES. HE HAD BEEN AN INVESTIGATIVE
PSYCHOLOGIST. ON VINCE PANKOKE'S TEAM, HE ANALYZED THE BEHAVIOR OF SUSPECTS THEY WERE CONSIDERING.
THAT'S YOUR FIRST INSTINCT, IT IT HAD TO BE A PSYCHOPATH TO DO THIS? >> YES, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE SO
VERY CAREFUL. IT'S SURVIVING. YOUR DAY-TO-DAY LIFE IS FILLED WITH FEAR.
YOUR FAMILY MIGHT BE ARRESTED THE NEXT DAY. YOU'RE THINKING EVERY DAY ABOUT YOUR OWN SURVIVAL.
SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT. >> IN A VACUUM, IT HAD TO BE A PSYCHOPATH TO DO THIS, BUT GIVEN THE CONTEXT, THEN WHAT KIND OF
PERSON MIGHT DO THIS? >> THEN YOU END UP IN A SITUATION WHERE IT COULD BE ANYBODY.
>> OVER TIME THE FOCUS SHIFTED TO SOMEONE WHO ON THE SURFACE MIGHT NOT HAVE RAISED SUSPICION. THIS SUSPECT WAS A NEIGHBOR OF
THE FRANKS AND DID WORK FOR THEM, BUT THE F.B.I.'S MAN'S SIXTH SENSE KICKED IN. A BUSINESS MAN WITH A WIFE AND,
AND HE SERVED ON A COUNCIL THE NAZIS SET UP TO CARRY OUT THEIR POLICIES WITHIN THE JEWISH COMMUNITY.
IN EXCHANGE FOR DOING THE NAZI'S BIDDING, MEMBERS MIGHT BE SPARED THE GAS CHAMBERS. >> WE KNOW FROM HISTORY, THAT
THE JEWISH COUNCIL WAS DISSOLVED IN LATE SEPTEMBER OF 1943. AND THEY WERE SENT TO THE CAMPS. WE FIGURED, WELL, IF ARNOLD
VANDENBERG IS IN A CAMP SOMEWHERE, HE CERTAINLY CAN'T BE PRIVY TO INFORMATION THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE COMPROMISE OF THE
ANNEX. >> WAS HE IN A CAMP SOMEWHERE? >> WELL, WE THOUGHT HE WAS. SO DUE DILIGENCE, WE STARTED TO
SEARCH, AND WE COULDN'T FIND ARNOLD VANDENBERG OR ANY OF HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS IN THOSE CAMPS.
>> WHY NOT? >> WELL, THAT WAS THE QUESTION. IF HE WASN'T IN THE CAMPS, WHERE WAS HE?
>> TURNED OUT, HE WAS LIVING IN OPEN LIFE IN THE MIDDLE OF AMSTERDAM, VINCE PANKOKE SAYS. ONLY POSSIBLE IF VANDENBERG HAD
SOME KIND OF LEVERAGE. TO MY EARS, YOU'RE DESCRIBING AN OPERATOR. IS THAT FAIR?
>> I CALL HIM A CHESS PLAYER. HE THOUGHT IN TERMS OF LAYERS OF PROTECTION, BY OBTAINING DIFFERENT EXEMPTIONS FROM BEING
PLACED INTO CAMPS. >> AS IT HAPPENED, VANDENBERG, WHO DIED IN 1950, HAD COME UP BEFORE IN A REPORT FROM THE 1963
INVESTIGATION, THOUGH, ASTONISHINGLY, THERE WAS LITTLE APPARENT FOLLOW-UP BY POLICE. >> WE READ JUST ONE SMALL
PARAGRAPH THAT MENTIONED DURING THE INTERVIEW OF OTTO FRANK, HE TOLD THEM THAT SHORTLY AFTER LIBERATION, HE RECEIVED AN
ANONYMOUS NOTE IDENTIFYING HIS BETRAR OF THE ADDRESS WHERE THEY WERE STAYING, THE ANNEX, AS ARNOLD VANDENBERG.
>> WAIT, SO IN THE FILE WAS REFERENCE TO A NOTE THAT OTTO FRANK RECEIVED THAT MENTIONS THIS SPECIFIC NAME?
>> REMARKABLY SO, YES. IT'S LISTED RIGHT THERE. >> THE NOTE WAS SO STRIKING TO OTTO FRANK, THAT HE TYPED UP A
COPY FOR HIS RECORDS. NATURALLY, THE VETERAN F.B.I. MAN WANTED TO KNOW WHERE WAS THAT NOTE?
ANY SEASONED INVESTIGATOR WILL TELL YOU THAT IDEALLY, GOOD SHOE LEATHER COMES GARNISHED WITH GOOD LUCK.
IN 2018, THE TEAM LOCATED THE SON OF ONE OF THE FORMER INVESTIGATORS. THERE, IN THE SON'S HOME, BURIED
IN SOME OLD FILES, OTTO'S COPY OF THE NOTE. >> I JUST WANT TO GET THIS STRAIGHT-- YOU'RE TALKING TO THE
SON OF AN INVESTIGATOR. HE SAYS, "YEAH, 50 YEARS AGO, MY DAD LOOKED INTO THIS, AND I MIGHT HAVE SOME MATERIAL."
>> YEAH. WE WERE LUCKY. >> YOU'VE HELD THE METAPHORICAL SMOKING GUN IN YOUR HAND BEFORE
IN THE F.B.I. YOU'RE HANDLING THIS ANONYMOUS NOTE. DOES IT FEEL LIKE A SMOKING GUN?
>> NOT A SMOKING GUN, BUT IT FEELS LIKE A WARM GUN WITH THE EVIDENCE OF THE BULLETS SITTING NEARBY.
>> BACK AT THE ARCHIVES THEY SHOWED IT TO US, OTTO'S COPY. THE TEAM USED FORENSIC TECHNIQUES WHICH THEY SAY
AUTHENTICATES IT. THAT HANDWRITING YOU SEE? THE SCRIBBLINGS OF THE 1963 DETECTIVE.
THE ANONYMOUS NOTE INFORMED OTTO THAT HE HAD BEEN BETRAYED BY ARNOLD VANDENBERG WHO HANDED THE NAUGHTIES AN ENTIRE LIST OF
ADDRESSES WITH JEWS WERE HIDING. >> WHOEVER AUTHORED THIS ANONYMOUS NOTE KNEW SO MUCH, LISTS TURNED IN.
>> THIS WAS INFORMATION YOU WERE ABLE TO CORROBORATE. >> PETER WAS ABLE TO LOCATE IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES RECORDS
THAT INDICATED THAT IN FACT SOMEBODY FROM THE JEWISH COUNCIL, OF WHICH ARNOLD VANDENBERG WAS A MEMBER, WAS
TURNING OVER LISTS OF ADDRESSES WHERE JEWS WERE IN HIDING. >> WHAT'S YOUR THEORY OF THE CASE HERE?
HOW AND WHY WOULD ARNOLD VANDENBERG HAVE BETRAYED THE FRANK FAMILY? >> WELL, IN HIS ROLE AS BEING A
FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE JEWISH COUNCIL, HE WOULD HAVE HAD PRIVY TO ADDRESSES WHERE JEWS WERE HIDING.
WHEN VANDENBERG LOST ALL HIS SERIES OF PROTECTIONS, EXEMPTING HIM FROM HAVING TO GO TO THE CAMPS, HE HAD TO PROVIDE
SOMETHING VALUABLE TO THE NAZIS THAT HE'S HAD CONTACT WITH,s TO LET HIM, AND HIS WIFE AT THAT TIME, STAY SAFE.
>> IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE HE KNEW WHO HE WAS GIVING UP? >> THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO INDICATE THAT HE KNEW WHO WAS
HIDING AT ANY OF THESE ADDRESSES. THEY WERE JUST ADDRESSES THAT WERE PROVIDED WHERE JEWS WERE
KNOWN TO HAVE BEEN IN HIDING. >> WE CONTACTED THE FOUNDATION OTTO FRANK STARTED IN SWITZERLAND AND THE ANNE FRANK
HOUSE IN AMSTERDAM, NEITHER OF WHICH FORMALLY PARTICIPATED IN THE INVESTIGATION, TO TRY TO FIND OUT WHETHER THEY COULD
PROVIDE ANY OTHER EVIDENCE THAT MIGHT IMPLICATE OR CLEAR ARNOLD VANDENBERG. THE ANNE FRANK HOUSE SAID THEY
COULD NOT. THE FOUNDATION IS RESERVING COMMENT UNTIL THEY'VE SEEN THE ENTIRE RESULTS OF THE
INVESTIGATION. THE COLD CASE TEAM BEGAN TO CONFRONT THE REAL POSSIBILITY THAT OTTO FRANK MIGHT HAVE KNOWN
THE IDENTITY OF THE BETRAYER. WHAT REASON, THEY WONDERED, WHAT OTTO HAVE HAD TO KEEP THIS TO HIMSELF?
>> HE KNEW THAT ARNOLD VANDENBERG WAS JEWISH, AND IN THIS PERIOD AFTER THE WAR, ANTI-SEMITISM WAS STILL AROUND.
SO PERHAPS HE JUST FELT THAT "IF I BRING THIS UP AGAIN WITH ARNOLD VANDENBERG BEING JEWISH, IT WILL ONLY STOKE THE FIRES
FURTHER." BUT WEHAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE FACT THAT HE WAS JEWISH JUST MEANT THAT HE WAS PLACED INTO AN
UNTENABLE POSITION BY THE NAZIS TO DO SOMETHING TO SAVE HIS LIFE. >> THE TEAM WRESTLED WITH THESE
ETHICAL QUESTIONS. THE FILMMAKER AND DOCUMENTARIAN WHO COCEIVED OF THE PROJECT, WONDERED WHETHER THE REVELATION
WOULD BE FODDER FOR BIGOTS AND ANTI-SEMMITES. THE CONCLUSION WAS THIS CULPRIT WAS A JEWISH MAN WHO BY ALL
ACCOUNTS WAS WAS DOING WHAT HE DID TO PROTECT HIS OWN FAMILY. WHAT WAS YOUR EMOTION WHEN YOU HEARD THIS?
>> I FOUND IT VERY PAINFUL. MAYBE OU CAN EVEN SAY I HOPED IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
>> WHY? >> BECAUSE I FEEL THE PAIN OF ALL THESE PEOPLE BEING PUT IN-- IN A SITUATION WHICH IS VERY
HARD FOR US TO UNDERSTAND. >> I SUSPECT WHEN THIS IS REVEALED, PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD ARE GOING TO BE
UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA THAT A JEW BETRAYED ANOTHER JEW. >> I HOPE SO. >> YOU HOPE THEY WILL BE.
>> YES. >> BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU HOW BIZARRE THE NAZI REGIME REALLY OPERATED AND HOW THEY BROUGHT
PEOPLE TO DO THESE TERRIBLE THINGS. THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD I HAVE DONE?
THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION. ERPT. >> THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, HE SOUGHT COUNCIL FROM AN ORTHODOX
RABBI IN AMSTERDAM WHO SERVED AS CHIEF JEWISH CHAPLAIN IN THE DUTCH ARMY. IS A GREATER GOOD BEING SERVED
HERE? I HOPE SO. I TRULY HOPE SO. I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL
UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE NAZI IDEOLOGY DID DURING THE HOLOCAUST WAS TO DEHUMANIZE JEWISH PEOPLE.
AND GOING BACK INTO HISTORY AND LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH AND ATANG TRUTH IS ACTUALLY GIVING THE JEWISH PEOPLE BACK THEIR OWN
HUMANITY. EVEN IF THAT MEANS THAT SOMETIMES JEWISH PEOPLE ARE SEEN AS NOT ACTING MORALLY CORRECT,
THAT GIVES THEM BACK THEIR OWN HUMANITY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY HUMAN BEINGS ARE WHEN THEY'RE FACED WITH EXISTENTIAL THREATS.
>> AFTER HIS YEARS OF INVESTIGATING THIS SEVEN-DECADE-OLD COLD CASE, WE HAD A HYPOTHETICAL FOR VINCE
PANKOKE. YOU'RE BACK TO BEING AN F.B.I. AGENT. YOU'VE GOT THIS CASE YOU'VE
BUILT. YOU'VE GOT YOUR EVIDENCE. AND YOU HANDED OVER TO THE PROSECUTOR, THE U.S. ATTORNEY.
YOU THINK YOU'RE GETTING A CONVICTION? >> NO. THERE COULD BE SOME REASONABLE
DOUBT. >> TO BE CLEAR, IT'S A CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE. >> IT IS A CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE,
AS MANY CASES ARE. IN TODAY'S CRIME SOLVING THEY WANT POSITIVE D.N.A. EVIDENCE OR VIDEO SURVEILLANCE TAPE.
WE CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY OF THAT. BUT IN A HISTORICAL CASE THIS OLD WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT WE OBTAINED, I THINK IT'S PRETTY
CONVINCING. >> NOW BACK IN RETIREMENT, VINCE PANKOKE THINKS HE'S GLIMPSED A NEW WAY TO THAW COLD CASES.
HE MARVELS THAT AN INVESTIGATION THAT PUT NO ONE BEHIND BARS TURNED OUT TO BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CASE OF HIS CAREER.
AND ONE, HE BELIEVES, THAT BROUGHT AN ANSWER TO A PAINFUL HISTORICAL QUESTION.
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>> Alfonsi: HIS CONTEMPORARIES WILL TELL YOU HE'S AMONG THE BEST COUNTRY MUSIC HAS THESE
DAYS. KENTUCKY-BRED CHRIS STAPLETON IS A TRIPLE THREAT: A POWERFULLY GIFTED SINGER, PROLIFIC
SONGWRITER, AND SKILLED GUITAR PLAYER. NOW 43-YEARS-OLD, HIS TALENTS HAVE CONNECTED WITH MUSIC FANS
ACROSS GENERATIONS AND GENRES. HE'S COLLABORATED WITH ARTISTS LIKE ADELE, PINK! AND CARLOS SANTANA, WON FIVE GRAMMY AWARDS,
AND IS UP FOR ANOTHER THREE THIS YEAR. BUT CHRIS STAPLETON WASN'T LOOKING FOR ACCOLADES OR STARDOM
WHEN HE CAME TO NASHVILLE. HE WAS A STORYTELLER, AND HE INVITED US BACKSTAGE TO HEAR HIS.
♪ ♪ ♪
BEFORE EVERY CONCERT, CHRIS STAPLETON, AND HIS ALL-STAR BAND, THAT INCLUDES HIS WIFE, MORGANE, START THEIR NIGHT WITH
A PRE-SHOW JAM. ♪ ♪ ♪ MINUTES LATER, THE MUSIC TAKES FLIGHT.
♪ ♪ ♪ THERE'S NO FLASH OR GIMMICKS, NOTHING PRE-RECORDED. IT'S LIVE MUSIC IN ITS PUREST
FORM. ♪ ♪ ♪ CENTER STAGE, CHRIS STAPLETON LOOKS EVERY BIT THE COUNTRY
MUSIC STAR, BUT LISTEN CAREFULLY. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
HIS MUSIC WEAVES BETWEEN SOUL... ♪ ♪ ♪ SOUTHERN ROCK... ♪ ♪ ♪
AND HEART-ACHING BLUES. ♪ ♪ ♪ YOU'VE SUNG ABOUT WHISKEY, WOMEN, WEED, LOVE, AND
HEARTBREAK. DOES IT GET ANY MORE COUNTRY THAN THAT? >> Chris Stapleton: I DON'T
THINK IT DOES GET ANY MORE COUNTRY THAN THAT. WHEN PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LABEL ME SOMETHING OTHER THAN A
COUNTRY SINGER-- YOU KNOW, I DON'T PROBABLY SING LIKE A TRADITIONAL COUNTRY SINGER, YOU KNOW, BUT, ULTIMATELY, I'M ME.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO BE THE BEST VERSION OF THAT THAT I CAN BE. AND WHETHER THAT'S PLAYING A
SONG THAT LEANS INTO BLUES OR A SONG THAT LEANS INTO R&B OR A SONG THAT LEANS INTO REALLY DISTINCTLY OUTLAW COUNTRY, I
LOVE ALL THAT MUSIC. AND I DON'T FEEL LIMITED TO PLAYING ONE TYPE OF SONG. ♪ ♪ ♪
>> Alfonsi: ON STAGE, HE CAN SILENCE N ARENA WITH A SLOW BURNING BALLAD. ♪ ♪ ♪
OR MANIPULATE HIS GUITAR TO SOUND LIKE TROUBLE WALKING THROUGH THE DOOR. ♪ ♪ ♪
BUT OFF STAGE, WE FOUND CHRIS STAPLETON TO BE SOFT-SPOKEN, ALMOST SHY. >> Chris Stapleton: THIS GUITAR
I GOT NOT THAT LONG AGO. >> Alfonsi: HE SHOWED US AROUND HIS BAND CAVE IN NASHVILLE, A REHEARSAL SPACE FILLED WITH
ARTIFACTS AND AWARDS. THOSE ARE GRAMMY'S, AND THOSE ARE SPRAY PAINTED WAFFLE IRONS. >> Chris Stapleton: THEY'RE
BASED ON AIRPLAY IN THE WAFFLE HOUSE JUKE BOX, SO AS FAR I KNOW WE'VE WON THE MOST. >> Alfonsi: THE GOLDEN WAFFLE?
>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH, WELL, IT'S CALLED A TUNIE. I MEAN, GRAMMY'S ARE COOL. THIS IS FELLOW MUSICIANS VOTING
FOR YOU. THIS IS THE PEOPLE VOTING FOR YOU. >> Alfonsi: THE WALLS OF THE
WAREHOUSE ARE LINED WITH THE INSTRUMENTS AND GEAR HE COLLECTS OBSESSIVELY. DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE GUITAR?
THIS IS ONLY A FRACTION OF IT. HE TOLD US HE TAKES ABOUT 20 OF HIS GUITARS ON TOUR. >> Chris Stapleton: THIS IS
NUMBER ONE. IF I HAD TO HAVE ONE GUITAR, AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN ELECTRIC GUITAR, THIS WOULD BE
THE ONE I'D TAKE WITH ME. AND THE REST OF THEM DO OTHER THINGS AND I LOVE THEM VERY DEARLY, BUT THIS ONE THIS ONE IS
THE ONE THAT I WOULD TAKE. >> Alfonsi: DID YOU EVER TAKE LESSONS? >> Chris Stapleton: I TOOK ONE
LESSON AND THEN THE GUY THAT I TOOK A LESSON FROM QUIT TEACHIN' LESSONS. AND SO, THAT WAS KIND OF THE
END. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Alfonsi: MUSICIANS ALONG THE WAY TAUGHT HIM THE REST.
♪ ♪ ♪ >> Chris Stapleton: ANY GUITAR PLAYER, LIKE, REAL, YOU KNOW, TECHNICALLY SKILLED, TRAINED
GUITAR PLAYER, WILL TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT A GREAT GUITAR PLAYER. >> Alfonsi: THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY
SAY. PEOPLE SAY YOU'RE A GREAT GUITAR PLAYER. >> Chris Stapleton: WELL, THEY
DO SAY THAT. OTHER PEOPLE SAY THAT. BUT I MEAN, I THINK I HAVE A GOOD SENSE OF DOING WHAT I DO.
I'M PROBABLY MORE OF A STYLIST THAN I AM-- SOMEBODY WHO CAN DO ANYTHING. I'M GOOD AT BEING ME ON GUITAR.
♪ ♪ ♪ >> Alfonsi: CHRIS STAPLETON'S SENSE OF SELF WAS SHARPENED IN THE MOUNTAINS OF EASTERN
KENTUCKY. HIS FATHER WAS AN ENGINEER WHO WORKED IN THE COAL MINES AND KEPT COUNTRY MUSIC CDs IN THE
CAR. CHRIS WAS AN ATHLETE, TRYING OUT A “STARTER MUSTACHE” BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL.
HE WAS ALSO LISTENING TO RAP ARTISTS LIKE DR. DRE AND SNOOP DOGG. IT'S HARD TO THINK ABOUT YOU,
ROLLIN' AROUND LISTENING TO SNOOP DOGG. >> Chris Stapleton: YEAH, IT WAS-- YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOME OF
THE REALIST-- IT WAS SO REAL THAT IT TRANSLATED EVEN TO SOME KID IN EASTERN KENTUCKY WHO HAD NO NOTION OF THE THINGS THAT HE
WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW. >> Alfonsi: THAT'S INTERESTING. YOU USED THE WORD "REAL." LIKE, IT FELT AUTHENTIC TO YOU
EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS NOT YOUR WORLD-- >> Chris Stapleton: WELL, I THINK IT WAS.
IT WAS DANGEROUS, TOO, AND REAL AND DANGEROUS ARE VERY APPEALING TO, YOU KNOW, 15-16-YEAR-OLD KIDS.
>> Alfonsi: STAPLETON GRADUATED VALEDICTORIAN FROM HIS HIGH SCHOOL AND LANDED AT VANDERBILT UNIVERSITY, TRANSFERRED TO
KENTUCKY, AND THEN DROPPED OUT. EVENTUALLY, DISCOVERING HIS DREAM JOB: WRITING MUSIC. YOU WERE GOING TO BE AN
ENGINEER? >> Chris Stapleton: I WAS AT ONE POINT, YEAH. I DID GO TO ENGINEERING SCHOOL
FOR A MINUTE. >> Alfonsi: WHAT DID-- WHAT'D YOU THINK YOU WERE GONNA DO? >> Chris Stapleton: I WAS-- MY
MAJOR WAS BIOMEDICAL ENGINEERING. >> Alfonsi: SO, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING YOU'RE DOING NOW.
( LAUGHS ) >> Chris Stapleton: YEAH, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING DOING NOW. YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WELL, MY
DAD'S AN ENGINEER. I'LL GO BE AN ENGINEER, YOU KNOW? AND THAT WAS-- IT WASN'T FOR ME.
>> Alfonsi: DID YOU KNOW YOU WANTED TO BE A SONGWRITER? >> Chris Stapleton: I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS A THING.
>> Alfonsi: WHAT DO YOU MEAN? >> Chris Stapleton: I JUST ASSUMED WHEN PEOPLE SANG SONGS ON RECORDS, THAT THEY MADE IT
UP. YOU KNOW, AND THEN-- >> Alfonsi: THAT IT WAS COMING FROM THEM.
>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH. AND THAT-- AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I MET SOMEBODY WHO WAS A SONGWRITER.
AND THEN IT WAS JUST LIKE, THAT'S A JOB? THEY'RE GOING TO PAY YOU TO SIT IN A ROOM AND MAKE THINGS UP ON
GUITAR? THAT'S M-- THAT'S THE-- I NEED THAT JOB. THAT'S THE JOB I WANT.
>> Alfonsi: IN 2001, ARMED WITH THE SONGS HE'D BEEN WRITING SINCE HIGH SCHOOL, STAPLETON WENT BACK TO NASHVILLE.
FOUR DAYS AFTER ARRIVING IN TOWN, HE GOT A JOB WITH A MUSIC PUBLISHING COMPANY WRITING FOR OTHER ARTISTS.
HE'D GO ON TO WRITE FOR SOME OF COUNTRY'S BIGGEST STARS LIKE GEORGE STRAIT, MIRANDA LAMBERT, LUKE BRYAN, AND BLAKE SHELTON.
HOW MAY SONGS DO YOU THINK YOU'VE WRITTEN? >> Chris Stapleton: I DON'T KNOW. PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF
1,000. >> Alfonsi: 1,000. HOW MANY DO YOU THINK ARE GOOD? >> Chris Stapleton: TEN.
>> Alfonsi: STOP. ♪ ♪ ♪ WHAT'S A WIN FOR-- WRITING A SONG?
WHEN DO YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS IS-- I DID THIS WELL. >> Chris Stapleton: I DON'T THINK I EVER KNOW THAT.
THE WIN IS FINISHING THE SONG. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SONGWRITERS WHO WILL CLAIM THAT THEY KNOW.
"YEAH, I KNEW THIS-- WHEN WE WROTE THIS ONE THAT IT WAS A SIX-WEEK NUMBER ONE. AND-- AND I WAS GONNA GET A BIG
GIANT CHECK IN THE MAIL." I REALLY JUST THINK THOSE GUYS ARE FULL OF ( BLEEP ). I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS
THAT. LIKE, YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY KNOW HOW EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FEEL ABOUT A SONG THAT YOU WRITE.
THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW. I DON'T TRUST COMPUTER RESEARCH OR PHONE SURVEYS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE PEOPLE. I TRUST PEOPLE. AND I TRUST PEOPLE WHO HAVE
TASTE. >> Alfonsi: PEOPLE LIKE HIS WIFE, MORGANE. SHE WAS THE ONE WITH THE RECORD
DEAL WHEN THEY MET. HER DEAL DIDN'T LAST, BUT THEIRS DID. ♪ ♪ ♪
SHE IS THE MOTHER OF THEIR FIVE CHILDREN, HIS MUSE, AND HARMONY SINGER. ♪ ♪ ♪
WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST IMPRESSION WHEN YOU HEARD HIS VOICE, WHEN YOU HEARD HIM SING, AS A MUSICIAN?
>> Morgane Stapleton: IT WAS VERY MUCH A... A "WHOA." HE'S SO POWERFUL. JUST THE SHEER VOLUME OF HIS
VOICE IS JUST-- IT-- HE DOESN'T NEED A MICROPHONE IN A ROOM THAT'S QUIET. IT'S POWERFUL.
>> Alfonsi: BUT MORGANE SAYS CHRIS NEVER CRAVED THE SPOTLIGHT. HE WAS HAPPY WRITING SONGS FOR
OTHERS AND ENJOYING HIS SIDE HUSTLE PLAYING IN BANDS. STILL, HIS POWERFUL VOICE WAS GAINING LEGEND AROUND
NASHVILLE'S MUSIC ROW. AT AGE 33, ALREADY A TEN-YEAR VETERAN OF THE COUNTRY MUSIC SCENE, UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP
OFFERED HIM HIS OWN RECORD DEAL. MORGANE HAD TO CONVINCE HIM TO SAY YES. YOU DIDN'T JUMP ON IT RIGHT OFF
THE BAT BECAUSE OF WHAT? >> Chris Stapleton: OH, I'M SUSPICIOUS OF MOST THINGS. IT'S JUST PART OF MY
PERSONALITY. >> Alfonsi: IT IS? >> Chris Stapleton: YEAH. >> Alfonsi: WHAT WERE YOU
SUSPICIOUS OF, THEY WERE GONNA TELL YOU T-- >> Chris Stapleton: I DON'T KNOW--
>> Alfonsi: LIKE, SHAVE YOUR BEARD AND GET A SPRAY TAN? >> Chris Stapleton: YEAH, MAYBE. I-- I DON'T KNOW.
JUST-- MY ANSWER BACK WAS, "OKAY. I-- I'LL DO THIS. BUT-- I'M GOING TO NEED TO, YOU
KNOW-- DO WHAT I WANT TO DO." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Alfonsi: HE WENT ON TO RELEASE HIS FIRST SINGLE IN
2013, BUT IT WENT NOWHERE. >> Chris Stapleton: THE SAME MONTH THAT THAT SINGLE DIED MY DAD ALSO PASSED AWAY IN THAT
SAME MONTH. IT WAS-- IT WAS A BAD MONTH, AND I DIDN'T, DIDN'T FEEL GREAT ABOUT IT, AND I WAS IN A REAL
BAD SPOT. >> Alfonsi: HOPING TO HELP, MORGANE BOUGHT THIS VINTAGE JEEP CHRIS HAD BEEN EYEING ONLINE,
EVEN THOUGH IT WAS 1,600 MILES AWAY IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA. ♪ ♪ ♪ THEY PICKED IT UP, AND ON THE
TRIP BACK TO NASHVILLE, HE WROTE "TRAVELLER," THE TITLE TRACK TO HIS FIRST SOLO ALBUM. THE COLLECTION OF 14 SONGS WOULD
BE A TURNING POINT IN HIS CAREER. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Chris Stapleton: WE DID THAT
WHOLE RECORD IN A WEEK. >> Alfonsi: YOU DID "TRAVELLER" IN ONE WEEK? >> Chris Stapleton: YEAH.
>> Alfonsi: YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME. >> Chris Stapleton: WE WERE ON A ROLL, AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I
CAN DESCRIBE IT. >> Alfonsi: AND DID YOU KNOW IN YOUR HEART, LIKE, I KNOW WHAT THIS SHOULD SOUND LIKE, I KNOW
WHAT THIS SHOULD BE? >> Chris Stapleton: WELL, I WANTED TO MAKE A RECORD THAT I THOUGHT MY DAD WOULD'VE LIKED.
>> Alfonsi: MUSIC CRITICS LOVED IT, BUT EARLY ON THE ALBUM WAS ONLY A MODEST SUCCESS. THAT CHANGED OVERNIGHT WHEN, AT
THE 2015 C.M.A. AWARDS, POP STAR JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE, A NEW FRIEND AND FAN, JOINED HIM TO PERFORM. ♪ ♪ ♪
>> Chris Stapleton: IT WAS ELECTRIC. KIND OF LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE KIND OF MOMENTS, THAT WAS ONE OF
'EM, FOR SURE. MAYBE-- THE BIGGEST ONE FOR US, YOU KNOW? ♪ ♪ ♪
MOST PEOPLE THAT WERE WATCHING THAT SHOW HAD NEVER HEARD OF ME AT THAT POINT. AND THEN SALES OF THAT RECORD
WENT UP, YOU KNOW, A BAZILLION PERCENT. AND IT WAS JUST NUTTY AFTER THAT.
>> CHRIS STAPELTON, TRAVELLER! ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) >> Alfonsi: STAPLETON WON FOUR C.M.A. AWARDS THAT NIGHT, AND
TWO GRAMMY'S A FEW MONTHS LATER. SOMETHING HE NEVER DREAMED OF WHEN HE CAME TO NASHVILLE TO WRITE MUSIC.
>> Chris Stapleton: THIS IS LOWER BROADWAY. ONE TIME, A LONG TIME AGO, JUST FOR ALMOST A GAG, ME AND A BUDDY
CAME DOWN AND I SAID, "WELL, I'M JUST GOING TO PLAY ON THE-- THE CORNER AND SEE WHAT I CAN DO." >> Alfonsi: YOU DID?
>> Chris Stapleton: I DID. SO, I PLAYED ON THE CORNER. AND-- AND I MADE, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, $40 BUCKS IN AN HOUR.
AND AT THAT POINT, THAT WAS THE MOST MONEY I'D EVER MADE IN AN HOUR, AND I WAS LIKE, "MAYBE I SHOULD JUST COME HERE AND PLAY
ON THE STREET." ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Alfonsi: MORE THAN A DECADE LATER, JUST BLOCKS FROM THAT
CORNER, THIS WAS THE CROWD THAT CAME TO HEAR HIM. CHRIS STAPLETON HAS GROWN INTO ONE OF THE BIGGEST STARS IN
COUNTRY MUSIC, BUT HE REMAINS ONE OF THE MOST RELUCTANT. ♪ ♪ ♪ IT MUST BE HARD FOR YOU TO HIDE
OUT RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE A VERY DISTINCT LOOKING FELLOW. >> Chris Stapleton: I AM A VERY
DISTINCT LOOKING FELLOW. I CAN HIDE OUT. I CAN WALK AROUND A LOT OF PLACES, IF I'M NOT WEARING--
>> Alfonsi: THE HAT. >> Chris Stapleton: THE HAT AND, YOU KNOW, ALL BLACKED OUT. BUT-- AND ALSO, I'M KIND OF
SCARY LOOKING. SO, IT ALSO GIVES PEOPLE JUST ENOUGH PAUSE SOMETIMES TO GO, "I-- I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD
WALK UP TO HIM RIGHT NOW." ♪ ♪ ♪
>> Alfonsi: HE MAY LOOK LIKE A HELLS ANGEL, BUT HIS SONGS REVEAL CHRIS STAPLETON'S TRUE CHARACTER.
UNDER THE HAT, IT'S ALL HEART.
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>> Wertheim: NEXT SUNDAY ON "60 MINUTES," A LOOK AT THE FADING FUTURE OF LOCAL NEWSPAPERS. AS HEDGE FUNDS AND FINANCIAL
FIRMS SWALLOW UP DAILIES AND WEEKLIES, CLOSING NEWSROOMS AND SLASHING STAFF, HEADLINES AND DEADLINES HAVE GIVEN WAY TO
BOTTOM LINES. BUT SOME LOSSES CAN'T BE SEEN ON A SPREADSHEET. >> THERE'S A CERTAIN ELEMENT OF
COMMUNITY COHESION WHICH COMES FROM THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER. IT REMINDS US ALL ABOUT SHARED EXPERIENCES.
YOU KNOW WHO DIED, YOU KNOW WHO GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, YOU KNOW WHOSE KID HAD A GREAT GAME. YOU KNOW THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT
ELEMENTS ABOUT HOLDING PEOPLE TOGETHER. >> Wertheim: YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE SOUL OF A COMMUNITY.
>> SURE.