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Captioning funded by CBS
and FORD.
We go further, so you can.
>> 77 YEARS AGO, IN THIS
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AMSTERDAM ANNEX, ANNE FRANK, HER
FAMILY, AND FOUR OTHERS WERE
DISCOVERED BY THE NAZIS AFTER
MORE THAN TWO YEARS IN HIDING.
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OH, WOW.
THIS-- THIS IS THE FAMOUS--
>> THIS IS THE BOOKCASE.
>> BOOKCASE.
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>> TH-- THIS IS THE BOOKCASE.
IT WAS USED TO CAMOUFLAGE THE
ENTRANCE TO THE HIDING PLACE.
>> IT'S ONE OF THE MOST WELL-
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KNOWN ACCOUNTS OF LIFE UNDER
NAZI OCCUPATION, AND ONE WITHOUT
A CRITICAL ANSWER: WHO BETRAYED
ANNE FRANK'S FAMILY?
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THIS RETIRED F.B.I. AGENT, AND
HIS ALL STAR TEAM OF
INVESTIGATORS, BELIEVE THEY HAVE
FINALLY FOUND THE ANSWER-- AND A
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SURPRISING TWIST.
WAIT, WAIT.
SO, IN THE FILES, THER'S
REFERENCE TO A NOTE THAT OTTO
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FRANK RECEIVED THAT MENTIONS
THIS SPECIFIC NAME?
>> REMARKABLY SO.
YES.
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IT'S LISTED RIGHT THERE.
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>> ON STAGE, CHRIS STAPLETON CAN
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SILENCE AN ARENA WITH A SLOW
BURNING BALLAD.
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OR MANIPULATE HIS GUITAR TO
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SOUND LIKE TROUBLE WALKING
THROUGH THE DOOR.
♪ ♪ ♪
SO, WHY ARE MUSICIANS LIKE ADELE
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AND PINK SO EAGER TO WORK WITH
THIS CLEARLY COUNTRY MUSICIAN?
JUST LISTEN.
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( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
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>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
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>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
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>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES, TONIGHT, ON
"60 MINUTES."
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PUBLICATION, "THE DIARY OF ANNE
FRANK" REMAINS AMONG THE MOST
WIDELY-READ BOOKS IN THE WORLD.
BLINKERING BETWEEN HOPE AND
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DESPAIR, THE ACCOUNT OF A JEWISH
TEENAGER'S LIFE IN HIDING IN AN
ANNEX BEHIND AN AMSTERDAM
WAREHOUSE, GAVE VOICE AND A FACE
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TO MILLIONS OF VICTIMS OF THE
NAZI GENOCIDE.
YET ONE QUESTION HAS GONE
STUBBORNLY UNANSWERED ALL THESE
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YEARS: WHO ALERTED THE NAZI
SEARCH TEAM, IN 1944, TO ANNE
FRANK AND HER FAMILY'S HIDING
PLACE?
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TWO DUTCH POLICE INQUIRIES AND
COUNTLESS HISTORIANS HAVE COME
UP WITH THEORIES, BUT NO FIRM
CONCLUSIONS.
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THEN, IN 2016, A TEAM OF
INVESTIGATORS, LED BY A VETERAN
F.B.I. AGENT, DECIDED TO BRING
MODERN CRIME-SOLVING TECHNIQUES
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AND TECHNOLOGY TO THIS COLD
CASE.
AND NOW, THEY BELIEVE THEY HAVE
AN ANSWER, ONE WE'LL SHARE WITH
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YOU TONIGHT, TO A QUESTION
THAT'S BEDEVILED HISTORIANS, AND
HAUNTED HOLLAND: WHO WAS
RESPONSIBLE, FOR THE BETRAYAL?
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>> VINCE PANKOKE HAD TURNED IN
HIS BADGE AND GUN.
HE WAS TWO YEARS INTO A
COMFORTABLE FLORIDA RETIREMENT,
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WHEN HIS PHONE RANG IN THE
SPRING OF 2016.
>> I RECEIVED A CALL FROM A
COLLEAGUE FROM THE NETHERLANDS
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WHO SAID, "IF YOU-- IF YOU'RE
DONE LAYING ON THE BEACH, WE
HAVE A CASE FOR YOU."
>> WERE YOU LAYING ON THE BEACH?
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>> I WAS ACTUALLY DRIVING TO THE
BEACH.
I WASN'T QUITE THERE YET.
>> PANKOKE SPENT THREE DECADES
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AS AN F.B.I. SPECIAL AGENT,
TARGETING COLOMBIAN DRUG
CARTELS.
HIS WORK HAD ALSO TAKEN HIM TO
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THE NETHERLANDS, WHERE HIS
INVESTIGATIVE CHOPS LEFT AN
IMPRESSION.
>> WERE YOU LOOKING TO GET BACK
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WHEN HE TOLD YOU WHAT IT WAS
ABOUT?
>> AFTER HE TOLD ME IT WAS TO,
YOU KNOW, TRY TO SOLVE THE
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MYSTERY OF WHAT CAUSED THE RAID
FOR ANNE FRANK AND THE OTHERS IN
THE ANNEX, I NEEDED TO HEAR
MORE.
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>> 4,000 MILES AWAY, IN
AMSTERDAM, THIJS BAYENS, A DUTCH
FILMMAKER AND DOCUMENTARIAN, HAD
BEEN ASKING AROUND FOR A
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CREDENTIALED INVESTIGATOR TO DIG
INTO A QUESTION THAT HE FEELS
HOLLAND HAS NEVER QUITE RECKONED
WITH, ONE THAT GETS TO THE
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ESSENCE OF HUMAN NATURE.
>> FOR ME, IT WAS REALLY
IMPORTANT TO INVESTIGATE WHAT
MAKES US GIVE UP ON EACH OTHER.
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THE AREA WHERE ANNE FRANK LIVED
IS VERY NORMAL, AND IT'S A VERY
WARM AREA WITH THE BUTCHER AND
THE DOCTOR AND THE POLICEMAN.
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THEY WORKED TOGETHER.
THEY LOVED EACH OTHER.
THEY LIVED TOGETHER.
AND SUDDENLY PEOPLE START TO
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BETRAY ON EACH OTHER.
HOW COULD THAT HAPPEN?
>> OF THE MILLIONS, LITERALLY
MILLIONS OF STORIES TO COME OUT
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OF THE HOLOCAUST, WHY DO YOU
THINK THIS ONE RESONATES THE WAY
IT DOES?
>> I THINK RIGHT AFTER THE WAR
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PEOPLE WERE SHOWN THE
CONCENTRATION CAMPS, THE
ATROCITIES THAT TOOK PLACE, THE
HORROR.
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AND, SUDDENLY, YOU FIND THIS
INNOCENT, BEAUTIFUL, VERY SMART,
FUNNY, TALENTED GIRL.
AND SHE AS A LIGHTHOUSE COMES
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OUT OF THE DARKNESS.
AND THEN I THINK HUMANITY SAID,
"THIS IS WHO WE ARE."
>> BETRAYING FELLOW DUTCH TO THE
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NAZIS WAS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE IN
THE NETHERLANDS, BUT TWO POLICE
PROBES AND A WHOLE LIBRARY OF
BOOKS DEDICATED TO THE ANNE
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FRANK CASE, YIELDED NEITHER
CONVICTIONS NOR DEFINITIVE
CONCLUSIONS.
THIS QUESTION OF WHO BETRAYED
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ANNE FRANK, THAT HAD BEEN
INVESTIGATED FOR YEARS.
WHAT WAS GOING TO MAKE YOUR
INVESTIGATION DIFFERENT THAN THE
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ONES BEFORE IT?
>> IF IT'S A CRIMINAL ACT,
IT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED BY THE
POLICE.
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SO WE SET IT UP AS A COLD CASE.
>> LIKE SO MANY, PANKOKE HAD
READ THE DIARY IN MIDDLE SCHOOL
IN WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA AND IT
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LEFT A MARK.
THERE WOULD BE NO PERP WALKS OR
BUSTED CRIME SYNDICATES HERE,
BUT HE WAS INTRIGUED,
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CAUTIOUSLY.
YOU HEAR, "WE'RE GOING TO GO
BACK AND LOOK AT ANNE FRANK."
AND THAT MIGHT HAVE THE RING OF
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SOME SCHLOCKY MEDIA CREATION.
DID THAT WORRY YOU?
>> OH, IT DID. IT DID, BECAUSE
AS A CAREER INVESTIGATOR, I
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DIDN'T WNAT TO BE ASSOCIATED
WITH ANY TYPE OF A TABLOID TYPE
INVESTIGATION.
>> YOU HAD TO MAKE SURE THIS WAS
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SERIOUS.
>> LET'S FACE IT, I MEAN, THE
HONOR OF THE DIARY, THE HONOR
OF ANNE FRANK, WE HAD TO TREAT
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THIS WITH UTMOST RESPECT.
>> WHAT ULTIMATELY SEALED IT
THE GUARANTEE OF ABSOLUTE
AUTONOMY.
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THERE WOULD BE A BOOK ABOUT IT
WHICH HELPED FINANCE THE PROJECT
ALONG WITH FUNDING FROM THE CITY
OF AMSTERDAM.
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BUT THIS WAS GOING TO BE AN
INDEPENDENT UNDERTAKING WITH
SERIOUS INVESTIGATORS.
AND VINCE PANKOKE WAS GOING TO
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TAKE THE LEAD DIGGING IN.
YOU HAD DONE COLD BASES BEFORE.
BEFORE THIS, WHAT WAS THE
BIGGEST GAP IN TIME BETWEEN WHEN
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YOU WERE APROSMED AND THE CRIME
OCCURRED?
>> IT WAS ABOUT A FIVE-YEAR
CRIME AT THAT POINT.
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>> 75 YEARS, SO IT'S A LITTLE
DIFFERENT.
>> IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT.
>> THIS IS MORE THAN COLD.
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>> YEAH, THIS WAS FROZEN.
>> TO CHIP AWAY, PANKOKE HAD TO
DRAW UP HIS OWN BLUEPRINT.
HE KNEW THAT THERE WAS GOING TO
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BE MORE INFORMATION TO PLOW
THROUGH THAN ANY HUMAN COULD
HANDLE AND THAT ARTIFICIAL
INTELLIGENCE COULD BE A SECRET
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WEAPON.
AN F.B.I.'S DREAM TEAM WAS
ASSEMBLED: AN INVESTIGATIVE
PSYCHOLOGIST, HISTORIANS,
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CRIMINOLOGISTS, PLUS AN ARMY OF
ARCHIVAL RESEARCHERS.
WHAT DID ALL THESE PEOPLE WITH
DISPARATE SKILLS BRING TO THIS?
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>> THEY BROUGHT A DIFFERENT
VIEW.
IT WAS ALL OF THESE SKILLS THAT
HELP US UNDERSTAND AND PUT INTO
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CONTEXT A CRIME THAT HAPPENED IN
1944 WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THINGS
DIFFERENTLY.
>> TOGETHER, THEY DOVE INTO A
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FAMILIAR STORY.
THE FRANK FAMILY HAD MOVED TO
AMSTERDAM FROM GERMANY TO ESCAPE
THE RISE OF HITLER.
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THEY FOUND SAFETY IN HOLLAND,
WHERE OTTO FRANK RAN A
MANUFACTURING BUSINESS.
BUT THEN, THE NAZIS INVADED IN
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1940.
TWO YEARS LATER, THE
TWO YEARS LATER, THE FRANKS--
OTTO, WIFE EDITH, ANNE, AND HER
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SISTER, MARGOT,
ALONG WITH FOUR OTHER JEWISH
FRIENDS OF THE FAMILY WENT INTO
HIDING IN AN ANNEX BEHIND OTTO'S
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WAREHOUSE.
TODAY IT'S PRESERVED AS A MUSEUM
DR. GERTJAN BROEK, A HISTORIAN
AT THE ANNE FRANK HOUSE, SHOWED
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US IN.
OH, WOW. THIS-- THIS IS THE
FAMOUS BOOKCASE.
>> THIS IS THE BOOKCASE-
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IT WAS USED TO CAMOUFLAGE THE
ENTRANCE TO THE HIDING PLACE.
>> THE BOOKCASE HELPED PROTECT
THE FRANKS, AS DID A HANDFUL OF
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OTTO'S CLOSE COLLEAGUES AT THE
WAREHOUSE WHO WERE IN ON THE
SECRET.
>> WE GO INSIDE, MIND YOUR HEAD.
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>> OH, WOW
AFTER THE RAID, THE NAZIS TOOK
ANYTHING THAT WASN'T NAILED
DOWN.
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THESE RECREATIONS SHOW WHAT IT
LOOKED LIKE: TWO CRAMMED FLOORS,
761 DAYS, MORE THAN TWO
EXCRUCIATING YEARS INDOORS.
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THE OFFICE WORKERS BROUGHT FOOD
AND SUPPLIES, BUT THE EIGHT IN
HIDING COULDN'T MAKE A SOUND
DURING THE DAY.
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BY NIGHT, THEY COULD LISTEN TO
THE RADIO, DESPERATELY PLOTTING
UPDATES FROM THE FRONT ON THIS
MAP.
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>> HERE'S A NEWSPAPER CLIPPING
FROM SHORTLY AFTER D-DAY-- SO
JUNE, 1944-- WITH THE PINS THAT
TRIED TO FOLLOW THE ADVANCES OF
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THE ALLIED TROOPS IN THE DAYS
AND WEEKS PROBABLY AFTER.
>> THIS IS JUNE, 1944.
>> JUNE 1944--
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SO THERE'S HOPE BECAUSE ALLIED
FORCES ARE ON THE WAY.
THEIR LIFE DEPENDED ON WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN.
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>> ANNE'S BEDROOM WALLS-
FAMILIAR TO ANY TEENAGER--
PRESERVED FROM THE DAY SHE WAS
TAKEN AWAY.
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HERE, SHE CHRONICLED THE
MONOTONY AND THE HORROR OF LIFE
IN HIDING.
"OUTSIDE THINGS ARE TERRIBLE,
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DAY AND NIGHT" SHE WROTE IN
JANUARY 1943.
"THESE POOR PEOPLE ARE BEING
DRAGGED AWAY, WITH NOTHING BUT A
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BACKPACK AND A LITTLE BIT OF
MONEY."
HER LAST ENTRY WAS DATED AUGUST
1, 1944.
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SHE WAS 15.
TAKE ME TO THE DAY OF THE RAID.
IT'S THE SUMMER OF 1944, AND
WHAT HAPPENS THAT DAY?
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>> IT'S A WARM DAY, SUNNY.
AND AROUND 10:30, BETWEEN 10:30
AND 11:00, A COUPLE OF MEN WALK
IN.
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>> THEY WERE DETECTIVES WITH A
DUTCH POLICE UNIT WORKING WITH
THE NAZIS.
AN S.S. OFFICER NAMED
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SILBERBAUER LEAD THE TEAM.
THEY DEMANDED TO BE SHOWN AROUND
ARE THE WAREHOUSE.
>> THEY END UP IN FRONT OF THE
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BOOKCASE WHICH IS HIDING THE
ENTRANCE TO THE ANNEX.
AND IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK, TO
REALIZE THAT TWO OF THE
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POLICEMEN PRESENT HAD BEEN
SEASONED DETECTIVES, WELL
EXPERIENCED.
THEY HAD BEEN SEARCHING THIS
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TYPE OF BUILDING IN THE INNER
CITY OF AMSTERDAM BEFORE.
>> THEY KNEW THERE WAS LIKELY
SOMETHING BEHIND THAT BOOKCASE.
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THE STUNNED INHABITANTS THEY
FOUND WERE MARCHED OUT.
ON THE FLOOR BEHIND THEM, ANNE'S
DIARY, WHICH A QUICK-THINKING
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OFFICE WORKER LOYAL TO THE
FRANKS, PRESERVED.
OF THE EIGHT TAKEN AWAY, OTTO
FRANK WAS THE ONLY SURVIVOR.
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THE OTHERS WERE AMONG THE
100,000 DUTCH YOUS TOO DIE AT
THE HANDS OF THE NAUGHTIES.
IN AN INTERVIEW WITH CBS IN
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1964, OTTO RECOUNTED WHAT
HAPPENED WHEN HIS FAMILY WAS PUT
ON THE CATTLE CARS TO AUSCHWITZ
A MONTH AFTER THEIR CAPTURE.
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>> ON SEPTEMBER 4, 1944, WHEN WE
ARRIVED IN AUSCHWITZ, THERE WERE
MEN STANDING THERE WITH CLUBS.
"WOMEN HERE, MEN THERE."
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WE WERE SEPARATED RIGHT IN THE
STATION.
THE WOMEN WENT TO BERK NOW CAMP
AND WE WENT TO AUSCHWITZ CAMP.
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I NEVER SAW MY FAMILY AGAIN.
>> AFTER THE WAR, OTTO FRANK WAS
DETERMINED TO FIND OUT WHO
BETRAYED THE HIDING PLACE TO THE
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NAZIS.
IT WAS THE QUESTION MANY READERS
ASKED AFTER HE PUBLISHED HIS
DAUGHTER'S DIARY IN 1947.
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BUT AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS OTTO
ABRUPTLY STOPPED LOOKING.
MORE ON THAT CURIOUS DECISION
LATER.
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WHEN VINCE PANKOKE WENT TO
AMSTERDAM TO BEGIN HIS SEARCH,
HIS FIRST STOP, NATURALLY, WAS
THE SCREEN OF THE CRIME.
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>> I CALL THIS THE MOST VISITED
CRIME SCENE IN THE WORLD,
BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE FROM ALL
OVERLET WORLD, YOU KNOW,
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MILLIONS OF PEOPLE COME HERE.
>> SO WHEN YOU COME HERE FOR THE
FIRST TIME, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING
FOR?
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>> WELL, AS AN INVESTIGATOR, I
WANT TO SEE WHAT'S IN THE AREA.
OF COURSE I WANT TO SEE INSIDE
THE BUILDING.
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I WANT TO RECONSTRUCT HOW THE
ACTUAL ARREST TOOK PLACE AND WHO
PARTICIPATED IN IT.
>> PANKOKE AND HIS TEAM SPENT
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HOURS IN THE ANNEX LOOKING FOR
ANY CLUE, HOWEVER REMOTE.
>> SO YOU CAN SEE IT RIGHT
THROUGH THOSE BUSHES.
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>> HE ALSO CASED THE EXTERIOR,
TODAY ALMOST EXACTLY AS IT WAS
THEN.
>> THIS IS THE COURTYARD THAT IS
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BEHIND THE ANNEX, AND IT'S, AS
YOU CAN SEE, IT'S TOTALLY
ENCLOSED.
THIS COURTYARD AREA IS
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SURROUNDED BY THE BUILDINGS OF
THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
>> I THINK THE ONE COUGH THAT
GETS OVERHEARD, ONE WINDOW THAT
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HAPPENS TO BE OPEN AT THE WRONG
TIME, THE SHEER RISK FACTOR HERE
IS EXTRAORDINARY.
>> IT IS EXTRAORDINARY.
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WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE CASE,
ONE OF THE THEORIES THAT WAS OUT
THERE IS THAT THE RAID MAY HAVE
BEEN CAUSED BY SOMEBODY IN THE
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IMMEDIATE AREA SEEING SOMETHING,
HEARING SOMETHING, AND REPORTING
IT.
SO, THEREFORE, WE TRACKED AND
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IDENTIFIED EVERY RESIDENT THAT
LIVED IN THIS BLOCK AND ADJACENT
STREETS.
>> USING THE ARTIFICIAL
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INTELLIGENCE PROGRAM, PANKOKE
AND HIS TEAM MAPPED POTENTIAL
THREATS.
IN THE COURTYARD SURROUNDING THE
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ANNEX, THEY FOUND NAZI PARTY
MEMBERS AND EVEN KNOWN
INFORMANTS.
>> ALL LIVING JUST A WALL OR TWO
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AWAY FROM ONE ANOTHER.
WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE
THREATS, THE QUESTION ISN'T, YOU
KNOW, WHAT CAUSED THE RAID?
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THE QUESTION MIGHT BE HOW DID
THEY LAST MORE THAN TWO YEARS
WITHOUT BEING DISCOVERED?
>> IT STRIKES ME IN A CASE LIKE
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THIS ANYONE COULD BE A SUSPECT--
A NAZI SYMPATHIZER, AN
INFORMANT, SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS
TO WALK BY AND HEAR A COUGH.
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HOW DID YOU NAVIGATE THAT?
>> WE HAD TO CONSIDER ALL THOSE
OPTIONS.
THE TEAM AND I SAT DOWN AND WE
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COMPILED A LIST OF WAYS IN WHICH
THE ANNEX COULD HAVE BEEN
COMPROMISED.
YOU KNOW, WAS IT CARELESSNESS O
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THE PEOPLE OCCUPYING THE ANNEX,
MAYBE MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE OR
BEING SEEN IN THE WINDOWS?
YOU KNOW, WAS IT BETRAYAL?
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>> THERE IS A THEORY OUT THERE
THAT NO ONE BETRAYED THE FRANK
FAMILY.
THIS WAS COINCIDENCE OR THIS WAS
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GOOD DETECTIVE WORK.
DO YOU BUY THAT AT ALL?
>> NO, NO.
I MEAN, WE TOOK THAT THEORY
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APART, YOU KNOW, BIT BY BIT.
>> THIS DOESN'T PLAY OUT THE WAY
IT DOES BUT FOR A SPECIFIC TIP.
>> EXACTLY.
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>> WHO PROVIDED THAT TIP TO THE
NAZIS?
WHEN WE COME BACK, VINCE PANKOKE
AND THE COLD CASE TEAM NARROW
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DOWN THEIR LIST OF SUSPECTS.
AND FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME,
WE'LL REVEAL WHO THEY BELIEVE
BETRAYED THE FRANKS?
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30-YEAR
F.B.I. VETERAN, HAD WORKED
PLENTY OF COLD CASES, BUT NONE
THIS COLD.
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IT HAD BEEN MORE THAN SEVEN
DECADES SINCE ANNE FRANK AND HER
FAMILY HAD BEEN DISCOVERED IN
THEIR HIDING PLACE IN CENTRAL
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AMSTERDAM AND ULTIMATELY PUT ON
CATTLE CARS TO AUSCHWITZ.
AS TO THE QUESTION OF WHO
BETRAYED THE FAMILY TO THE
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NAZIS, ALL THE WITNESSES WERE
LONG DEAD, THEIR EVIDENCE
THINNED BY TIME.
BUT PANKOKE LEANED ON DECADES OF
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EXPERIENCE AND INTUITION,
STARTING WITH THE OLD CASE
FILES.
>> IN A NORMAL COLD CASE, YOU GO
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TO A FILE, YOU PULL IT OUT, YOU
READ THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT THE
PREVIOUS INVESTIGATION DID--
INTERVIEWS, LEADS THAT WERE
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FOLLOWED UP ON.
>> TWO PREVIOUS DUTCH POLICE
INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE RAID ON
ANNE FRANK'S HIDING PLACE, ONE
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IN 1948 AND ANOTHER IN 1963,
WERE NOT EXACTLY MASTER CLASSES
IN DETECTIVE WORK AND A LOT OF
TIME HAD PASSED.
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>> THE FILES WERE INCOMPLETE,
AND THEY WERE SCATTERED ABOUT IN
PROBABLY A DOZEN DIFFERENT
ARCHIVES.
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REPORTS WERE MISSING, WITNESSES
HAD PASSED ON, MEMORIES HAD
FAILED
>> PULLING FROM THE STANDARD
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COLD CASE PLAYBOOK, VINCE
PANKOKE FOLLOWED UP ON WHAT
LEADS HE COULD.
OTHERWISE, HE AND HIS TEAM HAD
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TO TAKE A FRESH APPROACH.
THEY SPENT YEARS IN PLACES LIKE
THE AMSTERDAM CITY ARCHIVES,
WHERE THE METICULOUS DUTCH
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RECORDKEEPING USED SO BRUTALLY
BY THE NAZIS PROVED A MAJOR
ASSET TO THE INVESTIGATION.
>> PEOPLE WERE FORCED TO WEAR
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THE STAR.
>> ALONG WITH PIETER VAN TWISK,
A VETERAN DUTCH JOURNALIST WHO
COFOUNDED THIS PROJECT AND LED
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THE RESEARCH TEAM, THEY SHOWED
US A TROVE OF ITEMS THEY DUG UP,
INCLUDING A RESIDENCE CARD
BELONGING TO ANNE FRANK.
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>> YOU CAN SEE HER, HER NAME,
HER FIRST NAME, HER SECOND NAME,
AND SURNAME, AND DATE OF BIRTH.
HERE YOU SEE AN "EYE" WHICH IS
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HER RELIGION.
>> AND ISRAELI.
JEWISH.
>> SHE WAS JEWISH, YES.
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>> EVERY DUTCH RESIDENT HAD TO
HAVE ONE OF THESE?
>> YES.
>> THIS IS VERY DETAILED AND
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THIS IS HER PARENTS' BIT, DATES
ON IT.
>> THAT IS ALL WHY IT WAS SO
EASY FOR NAZIS TO FIND PEOPLE IN
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THE NETHERLANDS AND KNOW WHO WAS
JEWISH AND WHO WAS NOT JEWISH.
>> ONE PIECE OF PAPER IN THE
40s, AND YOU HAVE EVERYTHING
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YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT SOMEONE.
>> YES.
>> THE TEAM FED EVERY MORSAL
THEY COULD-- LETTERS, MAPS,
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PHOTOS, EVEN WHOLE BOOKS-- INTO
THE ARTIFICIALLY INTELLIGENCE
DATABASE DEVELOPED SPECIFICALLY
FOR THE PROJECT.
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THEN THEY LET MACHINE LEARNING
DO ITS THING.
>> IT WOULD IDENTIFY
RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN PEOPLE,
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ADDRESSES THAT WERE ALIKE.
AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR THOSE
CONNECTIONS, CLUES TO SOLVING
THIS.
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>> QUANTIFY HOW MUCH TIME THAT
SAVED YOU.
>> OH, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS
OF MANHOURS.
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>> THIS ALSO TELLS YOU WHAT'S
GARBAGE, WHAT'S EXCLUDED, WHAT
ISN'T GOING TO HELP YOUR CASE.
>> OH, YEAH, BECAUSE MUCH OF
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WHAT WE DO IS ELIMINATING THE
UNNECESSARY.
>> THE TEAM PAID PARTICULAR
ATTENTION TO ARREST RECORDS FROM
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THE TIME.
THE NAZIS WERE HELL . ON RIDDING
THE NETHERLANDS OF ALL JEWS,
PART OF THE FINAL SOLUTION.
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BY 1942, THE FRANKS REMEMBER
AMONG SOME 25,000 JEWS HIDING
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
THE NAZIS WERE SKILLED AT
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FETTING PEOPLE TO TALK.
>> THEIR TYPICAL M.O. WAS ONCE
THEY ARRESTED SOMEBODY THE FIRST
QUESTION THAT WAS POSED TO THEM,
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"DO YOU KNOW WHERE ANY OTHER
JEWS WERE IN HIDING?"
WE CHRONICLED ALL THE ARRESTS
PRIOR TO AND AFTER THE ANNEX
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RATE TO FIND ANY CONNECTION, ANY
LOOSE THREAD THAT WOULD SHOW US
THEY WENT FROM ONE ARREST TO
ANOTHER AND ULTIMATELY TO THE
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ANNEX.
>> AND THE IMPLICATION IS I'LL
MAKE YOUR SENTENCE MORE LENIENT
IF YOU GIVE UP SOME NAMES?
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>> YEAH.
>> EFFECTIVE?
>> OH, IT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
>> BEFORE LONG, SUSPECTS
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EMERGED, DOZENS OF THEM, LIKE
BILLAM VAN MERE, AN EMPLOYEE IN
THE WAREHOUSE WHERE THE FRANKS
WERE HIDING.
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>> HE WAS PRIME SUSPECT UNDER
ONE AFTER THE WAR.
HE'S WORKING DOWNSTAIRS IN THE
WAREHOUSE.
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HE WAS VERY SHIFTY, SUSPICIOUS,
ACTUALLY A THIEF.
>> SEEMS A SHIFTY, SUSPICIOUS
THIEF, AND YET YOU ELIMINATED
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HIM AS A SUSPECT.
>> NOT A BETRAR, THOUGH.
HE WAS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC.
HE HAD INCENTIVE NOT TO BETRAY
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THEM, BECAUSE IF HE DID, HE
WOULD HAVE LOST HIS JOB.
THE BUSINESS WOULD HAVE BEEN
CLOSED.
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>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU
LOOKING FOR WHEN YOU'RE
CONSIDERING SUSPECTS?
>> WE'RE LOOKING AT DID THEY
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HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE?
WE LOOK AT THEIR MOTIVE.
YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THE MOTIVE
BE?
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WERE THEY ANTI-SEMITIC?
WHERE THEY TRYING TO DO THIS FOR
MONEY?
AND OPPORTUNITY, WERE THEY EVEN
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IN TOWN?
>> THIS KNOWLEDGE, MOTIVE,
OPPORTUNITY, YOU'RE USING THAT
WHEN ENFIL TRAITING DRUG
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CARTELS?
>> IT'S STANDARD LAW ENFORCEMENT
TECHNIQUE.
>> WHAT KIND OF A PERSON WOULD
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BETRAY THE FRANK FAMILY?
>> I WOULD EXPECT MAYBE THAT A
VERY BAD PERSON, THAT THIS
PERSON WAS, SAY, PSYCHOPATHIC
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MIND, WOULD DO THIS.
>> VANDER MERE KNOWS
PSYCHOPATHIC MINESES.
HE HAD BEEN AN INVESTIGATIVE
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PSYCHOLOGIST.
ON VINCE PANKOKE'S TEAM, HE
ANALYZED THE BEHAVIOR OF
SUSPECTS THEY WERE CONSIDERING.
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THAT'S YOUR FIRST INSTINCT, IT
IT HAD TO BE A PSYCHOPATH TO DO
THIS?
>> YES, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE SO
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VERY CAREFUL.
IT'S SURVIVING.
YOUR DAY-TO-DAY LIFE IS FILLED
WITH FEAR.
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YOUR FAMILY MIGHT BE ARRESTED
THE NEXT DAY.
YOU'RE THINKING EVERY DAY ABOUT
YOUR OWN SURVIVAL.
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SO THAT'S THE CONTEXT.
>> IN A VACUUM, IT HAD TO BE A
PSYCHOPATH TO DO THIS, BUT GIVEN
THE CONTEXT, THEN WHAT KIND OF
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PERSON MIGHT DO THIS?
>> THEN YOU END UP IN A
SITUATION WHERE IT COULD BE
ANYBODY.
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>> OVER TIME THE FOCUS SHIFTED
TO SOMEONE WHO ON THE SURFACE
MIGHT NOT HAVE RAISED SUSPICION.
THIS SUSPECT WAS A NEIGHBOR OF
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THE FRANKS AND DID WORK FOR
THEM, BUT THE F.B.I.'S MAN'S
SIXTH SENSE KICKED IN.
A BUSINESS MAN WITH A WIFE AND,
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AND HE SERVED ON A COUNCIL THE
NAZIS SET UP TO CARRY OUT THEIR
POLICIES WITHIN THE JEWISH
COMMUNITY.
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IN EXCHANGE FOR DOING THE NAZI'S
BIDDING, MEMBERS MIGHT BE SPARED
THE GAS CHAMBERS.
>> WE KNOW FROM HISTORY, THAT
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THE JEWISH COUNCIL WAS DISSOLVED
IN LATE SEPTEMBER OF 1943.
AND THEY WERE SENT TO THE CAMPS.
WE FIGURED, WELL, IF ARNOLD
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VANDENBERG IS IN A CAMP
SOMEWHERE, HE CERTAINLY CAN'T BE
PRIVY TO INFORMATION THAT WOULD
LEAD TO THE COMPROMISE OF THE
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ANNEX.
>> WAS HE IN A CAMP SOMEWHERE?
>> WELL, WE THOUGHT HE WAS.
SO DUE DILIGENCE, WE STARTED TO
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SEARCH, AND WE COULDN'T FIND
ARNOLD VANDENBERG OR ANY OF HIS
IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS IN
THOSE CAMPS.
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>> WHY NOT?
>> WELL, THAT WAS THE QUESTION.
IF HE WASN'T IN THE CAMPS, WHERE
WAS HE?
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>> TURNED OUT, HE WAS LIVING IN
OPEN LIFE IN THE MIDDLE OF
AMSTERDAM, VINCE PANKOKE SAYS.
ONLY POSSIBLE IF VANDENBERG HAD
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SOME KIND OF LEVERAGE.
TO MY EARS, YOU'RE DESCRIBING AN
OPERATOR.
IS THAT FAIR?
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>> I CALL HIM A CHESS PLAYER.
HE THOUGHT IN TERMS OF LAYERS OF
PROTECTION, BY OBTAINING
DIFFERENT EXEMPTIONS FROM BEING
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PLACED INTO CAMPS.
>> AS IT HAPPENED, VANDENBERG,
WHO DIED IN 1950, HAD COME UP
BEFORE IN A REPORT FROM THE 1963
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INVESTIGATION, THOUGH,
ASTONISHINGLY, THERE WAS LITTLE
APPARENT FOLLOW-UP BY POLICE.
>> WE READ JUST ONE SMALL
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PARAGRAPH THAT MENTIONED DURING
THE INTERVIEW OF OTTO FRANK, HE
TOLD THEM THAT SHORTLY AFTER
LIBERATION, HE RECEIVED AN
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ANONYMOUS NOTE IDENTIFYING HIS
BETRAR OF THE ADDRESS WHERE THEY
WERE STAYING, THE ANNEX, AS
ARNOLD VANDENBERG.
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>> WAIT, SO IN THE FILE WAS
REFERENCE TO A NOTE THAT OTTO
FRANK RECEIVED THAT MENTIONS
THIS SPECIFIC NAME?
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>> REMARKABLY SO, YES.
IT'S LISTED RIGHT THERE.
>> THE NOTE WAS SO STRIKING TO
OTTO FRANK, THAT HE TYPED UP A
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COPY FOR HIS RECORDS.
NATURALLY, THE VETERAN F.B.I.
MAN WANTED TO KNOW WHERE WAS
THAT NOTE?
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ANY SEASONED INVESTIGATOR WILL
TELL YOU THAT IDEALLY, GOOD SHOE
LEATHER COMES GARNISHED WITH
GOOD LUCK.
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IN 2018, THE TEAM LOCATED THE
SON OF ONE OF THE FORMER
INVESTIGATORS.
THERE, IN THE SON'S HOME, BURIED
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IN SOME OLD FILES, OTTO'S COPY
OF THE NOTE.
>> I JUST WANT TO GET THIS
STRAIGHT-- YOU'RE TALKING TO THE
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SON OF AN INVESTIGATOR.
HE SAYS, "YEAH, 50 YEARS AGO, MY
DAD LOOKED INTO THIS, AND I
MIGHT HAVE SOME MATERIAL."
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>> YEAH.
WE WERE LUCKY.
>> YOU'VE HELD THE METAPHORICAL
SMOKING GUN IN YOUR HAND BEFORE
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IN THE F.B.I.
YOU'RE HANDLING THIS ANONYMOUS
NOTE.
DOES IT FEEL LIKE A SMOKING GUN?
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>> NOT A SMOKING GUN, BUT IT
FEELS LIKE A WARM GUN WITH THE
EVIDENCE OF THE BULLETS SITTING
NEARBY.
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>> BACK AT THE ARCHIVES THEY
SHOWED IT TO US, OTTO'S COPY.
THE TEAM USED FORENSIC
TECHNIQUES WHICH THEY SAY
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AUTHENTICATES IT.
THAT HANDWRITING YOU SEE?
THE SCRIBBLINGS OF THE 1963
DETECTIVE.
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THE ANONYMOUS NOTE INFORMED OTTO
THAT HE HAD BEEN BETRAYED BY
ARNOLD VANDENBERG WHO HANDED THE
NAUGHTIES AN ENTIRE LIST OF
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ADDRESSES WITH JEWS WERE HIDING.
>> WHOEVER AUTHORED THIS
ANONYMOUS NOTE KNEW SO MUCH,
LISTS TURNED IN.
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>> THIS WAS INFORMATION YOU WERE
ABLE TO CORROBORATE.
>> PETER WAS ABLE TO LOCATE IN
THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES RECORDS
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THAT INDICATED THAT IN FACT
SOMEBODY FROM THE JEWISH
COUNCIL, OF WHICH ARNOLD
VANDENBERG WAS A MEMBER, WAS
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TURNING OVER LISTS OF ADDRESSES
WHERE JEWS WERE IN HIDING.
>> WHAT'S YOUR THEORY OF THE
CASE HERE?
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HOW AND WHY WOULD ARNOLD
VANDENBERG HAVE BETRAYED THE
FRANK FAMILY?
>> WELL, IN HIS ROLE AS BEING A
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FOUNDING MEMBER OF THE JEWISH
COUNCIL, HE WOULD HAVE HAD PRIVY
TO ADDRESSES WHERE JEWS WERE
HIDING.
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WHEN VANDENBERG LOST ALL HIS
SERIES OF PROTECTIONS, EXEMPTING
HIM FROM HAVING TO GO TO THE
CAMPS, HE HAD TO PROVIDE
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SOMETHING VALUABLE TO THE NAZIS
THAT HE'S HAD CONTACT WITH,s
TO LET HIM, AND HIS WIFE AT THAT
TIME, STAY SAFE.
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>> IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE HE KNEW
WHO HE WAS GIVING UP?
>> THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO
INDICATE THAT HE KNEW WHO WAS
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HIDING AT ANY OF THESE
ADDRESSES.
THEY WERE JUST ADDRESSES THAT
WERE PROVIDED WHERE JEWS WERE
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KNOWN TO HAVE BEEN IN HIDING.
>> WE CONTACTED THE FOUNDATION
OTTO FRANK STARTED IN
SWITZERLAND AND THE ANNE FRANK
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HOUSE IN AMSTERDAM, NEITHER OF
WHICH FORMALLY PARTICIPATED IN
THE INVESTIGATION, TO TRY TO
FIND OUT WHETHER THEY COULD
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PROVIDE ANY OTHER EVIDENCE THAT
MIGHT IMPLICATE OR CLEAR ARNOLD
VANDENBERG.
THE ANNE FRANK HOUSE SAID THEY
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COULD NOT.
THE FOUNDATION IS RESERVING
COMMENT UNTIL THEY'VE SEEN THE
ENTIRE RESULTS OF THE
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INVESTIGATION.
THE COLD CASE TEAM BEGAN TO
CONFRONT THE REAL POSSIBILITY
THAT OTTO FRANK MIGHT HAVE KNOWN
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THE IDENTITY OF THE BETRAYER.
WHAT REASON, THEY WONDERED, WHAT
OTTO HAVE HAD TO KEEP THIS TO
HIMSELF?
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>> HE KNEW THAT ARNOLD
VANDENBERG WAS JEWISH, AND IN
THIS PERIOD AFTER THE WAR,
ANTI-SEMITISM WAS STILL AROUND.
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SO PERHAPS HE JUST FELT THAT "IF
I BRING THIS UP AGAIN WITH
ARNOLD VANDENBERG BEING JEWISH,
IT WILL ONLY STOKE THE FIRES
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FURTHER."
BUT WEHAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT
THE FACT THAT HE WAS JEWISH JUST
MEANT THAT HE WAS PLACED INTO AN
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UNTENABLE POSITION BY THE NAZIS
TO DO SOMETHING TO SAVE HIS
LIFE.
>> THE TEAM WRESTLED WITH THESE
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ETHICAL QUESTIONS.
THE FILMMAKER AND DOCUMENTARIAN
WHO COCEIVED OF THE PROJECT,
WONDERED WHETHER THE REVELATION
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WOULD BE FODDER FOR BIGOTS AND
ANTI-SEMMITES.
THE CONCLUSION WAS THIS CULPRIT
WAS A JEWISH MAN WHO BY ALL
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ACCOUNTS WAS WAS DOING WHAT HE
DID TO PROTECT HIS OWN FAMILY.
WHAT WAS YOUR EMOTION WHEN YOU
HEARD THIS?
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>> I FOUND IT VERY PAINFUL.
MAYBE OU CAN EVEN SAY I HOPED
IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING LIKE
THIS.
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>> WHY?
>> BECAUSE I FEEL THE PAIN OF
ALL THESE PEOPLE BEING PUT IN--
IN A SITUATION WHICH IS VERY
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HARD FOR US TO UNDERSTAND.
>> I SUSPECT WHEN THIS IS
REVEALED, PEOPLE AROUND THE
WORLD ARE GOING TO BE
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UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE IDEA THAT
A JEW BETRAYED ANOTHER JEW.
>> I HOPE SO.
>> YOU HOPE THEY WILL BE.
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>> YES.
>> BECAUSE IT SHOWS YOU HOW
BIZARRE THE NAZI REGIME REALLY
OPERATED AND HOW THEY BROUGHT
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PEOPLE TO DO THESE TERRIBLE
THINGS.
THE REAL QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD
I HAVE DONE?
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THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION.
ERPT.
>> THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, HE
SOUGHT COUNCIL FROM AN ORTHODOX
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RABBI IN AMSTERDAM WHO SERVED AS
CHIEF JEWISH CHAPLAIN IN THE
DUTCH ARMY.
IS A GREATER GOOD BEING SERVED
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HERE?
I HOPE SO.
I TRULY HOPE SO.
I HOPE THAT PEOPLE WILL
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UNDERSTAND THAT ONE OF THE
THINGS THAT THE NAZI IDEOLOGY
DID DURING THE HOLOCAUST WAS TO
DEHUMANIZE JEWISH PEOPLE.
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AND GOING BACK INTO HISTORY AND
LOOKING FOR THE TRUTH AND ATANG
TRUTH IS ACTUALLY GIVING THE
JEWISH PEOPLE BACK THEIR OWN
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HUMANITY.
EVEN IF THAT MEANS THAT
SOMETIMES JEWISH PEOPLE ARE SEEN
AS NOT ACTING MORALLY CORRECT,
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THAT GIVES THEM BACK THEIR OWN
HUMANITY BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY
HUMAN BEINGS ARE WHEN THEY'RE
FACED WITH EXISTENTIAL THREATS.
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>> AFTER HIS YEARS OF
INVESTIGATING THIS
SEVEN-DECADE-OLD COLD CASE, WE
HAD A HYPOTHETICAL FOR VINCE
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PANKOKE.
YOU'RE BACK TO BEING AN F.B.I.
AGENT.
YOU'VE GOT THIS CASE YOU'VE
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BUILT.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR EVIDENCE.
AND YOU HANDED OVER TO THE
PROSECUTOR, THE U.S. ATTORNEY.
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YOU THINK YOU'RE GETTING A
CONVICTION?
>> NO.
THERE COULD BE SOME REASONABLE
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DOUBT.
>> TO BE CLEAR, IT'S A
CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE.
>> IT IS A CIRCUMSTANTIAL CASE,
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AS MANY CASES ARE.
IN TODAY'S CRIME SOLVING THEY
WANT POSITIVE D.N.A. EVIDENCE OR
VIDEO SURVEILLANCE TAPE.
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WE CAN'T GIVE YOU ANY OF THAT.
BUT IN A HISTORICAL CASE THIS
OLD WITH ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT
WE OBTAINED, I THINK IT'S PRETTY
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CONVINCING.
>> NOW BACK IN RETIREMENT, VINCE
PANKOKE THINKS HE'S GLIMPSED A
NEW WAY TO THAW COLD CASES.
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HE MARVELS THAT AN INVESTIGATION
THAT PUT NO ONE BEHIND BARS
TURNED OUT TO BE THE MOST
SIGNIFICANT CASE OF HIS CAREER.
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AND ONE, HE BELIEVES, THAT
BROUGHT AN ANSWER TO A PAINFUL
HISTORICAL QUESTION.
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>> Alfonsi: HIS CONTEMPORARIES
WILL TELL YOU HE'S AMONG THE
BEST COUNTRY MUSIC HAS THESE
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DAYS.
KENTUCKY-BRED CHRIS STAPLETON IS
A TRIPLE THREAT: A POWERFULLY
GIFTED SINGER, PROLIFIC
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SONGWRITER, AND SKILLED GUITAR
PLAYER.
NOW 43-YEARS-OLD, HIS TALENTS
HAVE CONNECTED WITH MUSIC FANS
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ACROSS GENERATIONS AND GENRES.
HE'S COLLABORATED WITH ARTISTS
LIKE ADELE, PINK! AND CARLOS
SANTANA, WON FIVE GRAMMY AWARDS,
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AND IS UP FOR ANOTHER THREE THIS
YEAR.
BUT CHRIS STAPLETON WASN'T
LOOKING FOR ACCOLADES OR STARDOM
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WHEN HE CAME TO NASHVILLE.
HE WAS A STORYTELLER, AND HE
INVITED US BACKSTAGE TO HEAR
HIS.
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BEFORE EVERY CONCERT, CHRIS
STAPLETON, AND HIS ALL-STAR
BAND, THAT INCLUDES HIS WIFE,
MORGANE, START THEIR NIGHT WITH
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A PRE-SHOW JAM.
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MINUTES LATER, THE MUSIC TAKES
FLIGHT.
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THERE'S NO FLASH OR GIMMICKS,
NOTHING PRE-RECORDED.
IT'S LIVE MUSIC IN ITS PUREST
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FORM.
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CENTER STAGE, CHRIS STAPLETON
LOOKS EVERY BIT THE COUNTRY
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MUSIC STAR, BUT LISTEN
CAREFULLY.
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HIS MUSIC WEAVES BETWEEN SOUL...
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SOUTHERN ROCK...
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AND HEART-ACHING BLUES.
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YOU'VE SUNG ABOUT WHISKEY,
WOMEN, WEED, LOVE, AND
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HEARTBREAK.
DOES IT GET ANY MORE COUNTRY
THAN THAT?
>> Chris Stapleton: I DON'T
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THINK IT DOES GET ANY MORE
COUNTRY THAN THAT.
WHEN PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LABEL
ME SOMETHING OTHER THAN A
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COUNTRY SINGER-- YOU KNOW, I
DON'T PROBABLY SING LIKE A
TRADITIONAL COUNTRY SINGER, YOU
KNOW, BUT, ULTIMATELY, I'M ME.
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AND I'M JUST TRYING TO BE THE
BEST VERSION OF THAT THAT I CAN
BE.
AND WHETHER THAT'S PLAYING A
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SONG THAT LEANS INTO BLUES OR A
SONG THAT LEANS INTO R&B OR A
SONG THAT LEANS INTO REALLY
DISTINCTLY OUTLAW COUNTRY, I
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LOVE ALL THAT MUSIC.
AND I DON'T FEEL LIMITED TO
PLAYING ONE TYPE OF SONG.
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>> Alfonsi: ON STAGE, HE CAN
SILENCE N ARENA WITH A SLOW
BURNING BALLAD.
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OR MANIPULATE HIS GUITAR TO
SOUND LIKE TROUBLE WALKING
THROUGH THE DOOR.
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BUT OFF STAGE, WE FOUND CHRIS
STAPLETON TO BE SOFT-SPOKEN,
ALMOST SHY.
>> Chris Stapleton: THIS GUITAR
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I GOT NOT THAT LONG AGO.
>> Alfonsi: HE SHOWED US AROUND
HIS BAND CAVE IN NASHVILLE, A
REHEARSAL SPACE FILLED WITH
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ARTIFACTS AND AWARDS.
THOSE ARE GRAMMY'S, AND THOSE
ARE SPRAY PAINTED WAFFLE IRONS.
>> Chris Stapleton: THEY'RE
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BASED ON AIRPLAY IN THE WAFFLE
HOUSE JUKE BOX, SO AS FAR I KNOW
WE'VE WON THE MOST.
>> Alfonsi: THE GOLDEN WAFFLE?
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>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH, WELL,
IT'S CALLED A TUNIE.
I MEAN, GRAMMY'S ARE COOL.
THIS IS FELLOW MUSICIANS VOTING
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FOR YOU.
THIS IS THE PEOPLE VOTING FOR
YOU.
>> Alfonsi: THE WALLS OF THE
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WAREHOUSE ARE LINED WITH THE
INSTRUMENTS AND GEAR HE COLLECTS
OBSESSIVELY.
DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE GUITAR?
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THIS IS ONLY A FRACTION OF IT.
HE TOLD US HE TAKES ABOUT 20 OF
HIS GUITARS ON TOUR.
>> Chris Stapleton: THIS IS
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NUMBER ONE.
IF I HAD TO HAVE ONE GUITAR,
AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS AN
ELECTRIC GUITAR, THIS WOULD BE
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THE ONE I'D TAKE WITH ME.
AND THE REST OF THEM DO OTHER
THINGS AND I LOVE THEM VERY
DEARLY, BUT THIS ONE THIS ONE IS
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THE ONE THAT I WOULD TAKE.
>> Alfonsi: DID YOU EVER TAKE
LESSONS?
>> Chris Stapleton: I TOOK ONE
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LESSON AND THEN THE GUY THAT I
TOOK A LESSON FROM QUIT TEACHIN'
LESSONS.
AND SO, THAT WAS KIND OF THE
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END.
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>> Alfonsi: MUSICIANS ALONG THE
WAY TAUGHT HIM THE REST.
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>> Chris Stapleton: ANY GUITAR
PLAYER, LIKE, REAL, YOU KNOW,
TECHNICALLY SKILLED, TRAINED
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GUITAR PLAYER, WILL TELL YOU
THAT I'M NOT A GREAT GUITAR
PLAYER.
>> Alfonsi: THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY
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SAY.
PEOPLE SAY YOU'RE A GREAT GUITAR
PLAYER.
>> Chris Stapleton: WELL, THEY
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DO SAY THAT.
OTHER PEOPLE SAY THAT.
BUT I MEAN, I THINK I HAVE A
GOOD SENSE OF DOING WHAT I DO.
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I'M PROBABLY MORE OF A STYLIST
THAN I AM-- SOMEBODY WHO CAN DO
ANYTHING.
I'M GOOD AT BEING ME ON GUITAR.
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>> Alfonsi: CHRIS STAPLETON'S
SENSE OF SELF WAS SHARPENED IN
THE MOUNTAINS OF EASTERN
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KENTUCKY.
HIS FATHER WAS AN ENGINEER WHO
WORKED IN THE COAL MINES AND
KEPT COUNTRY MUSIC CDs IN THE
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CAR.
CHRIS WAS AN ATHLETE, TRYING OUT
A “STARTER MUSTACHE” BACK IN
HIGH SCHOOL.
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HE WAS ALSO LISTENING TO RAP
ARTISTS LIKE DR. DRE AND SNOOP
DOGG.
IT'S HARD TO THINK ABOUT YOU,
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ROLLIN' AROUND LISTENING TO
SNOOP DOGG.
>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH, IT
WAS-- YOU KNOW, IT WAS SOME OF
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THE REALIST-- IT WAS SO REAL
THAT IT TRANSLATED EVEN TO SOME
KID IN EASTERN KENTUCKY WHO HAD
NO NOTION OF THE THINGS THAT HE
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WAS TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW.
>> Alfonsi: THAT'S INTERESTING.
YOU USED THE WORD "REAL."
LIKE, IT FELT AUTHENTIC TO YOU
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EVEN THOUGH THAT WAS NOT YOUR
WORLD--
>> Chris Stapleton: WELL, I
THINK IT WAS.
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IT WAS DANGEROUS, TOO, AND REAL
AND DANGEROUS ARE VERY APPEALING
TO, YOU KNOW, 15-16-YEAR-OLD
KIDS.
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>> Alfonsi: STAPLETON GRADUATED
VALEDICTORIAN FROM HIS HIGH
SCHOOL AND LANDED AT VANDERBILT
UNIVERSITY, TRANSFERRED TO
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KENTUCKY, AND THEN DROPPED OUT.
EVENTUALLY, DISCOVERING HIS
DREAM JOB: WRITING MUSIC.
YOU WERE GOING TO BE AN
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ENGINEER?
>> Chris Stapleton: I WAS AT ONE
POINT, YEAH.
I DID GO TO ENGINEERING SCHOOL
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FOR A MINUTE.
>> Alfonsi: WHAT DID-- WHAT'D
YOU THINK YOU WERE GONNA DO?
>> Chris Stapleton: I WAS-- MY
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MAJOR WAS BIOMEDICAL
ENGINEERING.
>> Alfonsi: SO, PRETTY MUCH THE
SAME THING YOU'RE DOING NOW.
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( LAUGHS )
>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH, PRETTY
MUCH THE SAME THING DOING NOW.
YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WELL, MY
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DAD'S AN ENGINEER.
I'LL GO BE AN ENGINEER, YOU
KNOW?
AND THAT WAS-- IT WASN'T FOR ME.
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>> Alfonsi: DID YOU KNOW YOU
WANTED TO BE A SONGWRITER?
>> Chris Stapleton: I DIDN'T
EVEN KNOW IT WAS A THING.
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>> Alfonsi: WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
>> Chris Stapleton: I JUST
ASSUMED WHEN PEOPLE SANG SONGS
ON RECORDS, THAT THEY MADE IT
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UP.
YOU KNOW, AND THEN--
>> Alfonsi: THAT IT WAS COMING
FROM THEM.
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>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH.
AND THAT-- AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I
MET SOMEBODY WHO WAS A
SONGWRITER.
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AND THEN IT WAS JUST LIKE,
THAT'S A JOB?
THEY'RE GOING TO PAY YOU TO SIT
IN A ROOM AND MAKE THINGS UP ON
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GUITAR?
THAT'S M-- THAT'S THE-- I NEED
THAT JOB.
THAT'S THE JOB I WANT.
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>> Alfonsi: IN 2001, ARMED WITH
THE SONGS HE'D BEEN WRITING
SINCE HIGH SCHOOL, STAPLETON
WENT BACK TO NASHVILLE.
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FOUR DAYS AFTER ARRIVING IN
TOWN, HE GOT A JOB WITH A MUSIC
PUBLISHING COMPANY WRITING FOR
OTHER ARTISTS.
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HE'D GO ON TO WRITE FOR SOME OF
COUNTRY'S BIGGEST STARS LIKE
GEORGE STRAIT, MIRANDA LAMBERT,
LUKE BRYAN, AND BLAKE SHELTON.
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HOW MAY SONGS DO YOU THINK
YOU'VE WRITTEN?
>> Chris Stapleton: I DON'T
KNOW. PROBABLY IN EXCESS OF
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1,000.
>> Alfonsi: 1,000.
HOW MANY DO YOU THINK ARE GOOD?
>> Chris Stapleton: TEN.
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>> Alfonsi: STOP.
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WHAT'S A WIN FOR-- WRITING A
SONG?
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WHEN DO YOU KNOW, OKAY, THIS
IS-- I DID THIS WELL.
>> Chris Stapleton: I DON'T
THINK I EVER KNOW THAT.
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THE WIN IS FINISHING THE SONG.
AND THERE ARE A LOT OF
SONGWRITERS WHO WILL CLAIM THAT
THEY KNOW.
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"YEAH, I KNEW THIS-- WHEN WE
WROTE THIS ONE THAT IT WAS A
SIX-WEEK NUMBER ONE.
AND-- AND I WAS GONNA GET A BIG
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GIANT CHECK IN THE MAIL."
I REALLY JUST THINK THOSE GUYS
ARE FULL OF ( BLEEP ).
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY KNOWS
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THAT.
LIKE, YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY KNOW
HOW EVERYBODY'S GOING TO FEEL
ABOUT A SONG THAT YOU WRITE.
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THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW.
I DON'T TRUST COMPUTER RESEARCH
OR PHONE SURVEYS OR ANYTHING
LIKE THAT.
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YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE
PEOPLE.
I TRUST PEOPLE.
AND I TRUST PEOPLE WHO HAVE
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TASTE.
>> Alfonsi: PEOPLE LIKE HIS
WIFE, MORGANE.
SHE WAS THE ONE WITH THE RECORD
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DEAL WHEN THEY MET.
HER DEAL DIDN'T LAST, BUT THEIRS
DID.
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SHE IS THE MOTHER OF THEIR FIVE
CHILDREN, HIS MUSE, AND HARMONY
SINGER.
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WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST IMPRESSION
WHEN YOU HEARD HIS VOICE, WHEN
YOU HEARD HIM SING, AS A
MUSICIAN?
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>> Morgane Stapleton: IT WAS
VERY MUCH A... A "WHOA."
HE'S SO POWERFUL.
JUST THE SHEER VOLUME OF HIS
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VOICE IS JUST-- IT-- HE DOESN'T
NEED A MICROPHONE IN A ROOM
THAT'S QUIET.
IT'S POWERFUL.
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>> Alfonsi: BUT MORGANE SAYS
CHRIS NEVER CRAVED THE
SPOTLIGHT.
HE WAS HAPPY WRITING SONGS FOR
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OTHERS AND ENJOYING HIS SIDE
HUSTLE PLAYING IN BANDS.
STILL, HIS POWERFUL VOICE WAS
GAINING LEGEND AROUND
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NASHVILLE'S MUSIC ROW.
AT AGE 33, ALREADY A TEN-YEAR
VETERAN OF THE COUNTRY MUSIC
SCENE, UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP
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OFFERED HIM HIS OWN RECORD DEAL.
MORGANE HAD TO CONVINCE HIM TO
SAY YES.
YOU DIDN'T JUMP ON IT RIGHT OFF
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THE BAT BECAUSE OF WHAT?
>> Chris Stapleton: OH, I'M
SUSPICIOUS OF MOST THINGS.
IT'S JUST PART OF MY
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PERSONALITY.
>> Alfonsi: IT IS?
>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH.
>> Alfonsi: WHAT WERE YOU
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SUSPICIOUS OF, THEY WERE GONNA
TELL YOU T--
>> Chris Stapleton: I DON'T
KNOW--
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>> Alfonsi: LIKE, SHAVE YOUR
BEARD AND GET A SPRAY TAN?
>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH, MAYBE.
I-- I DON'T KNOW.
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JUST-- MY ANSWER BACK WAS,
"OKAY.
I-- I'LL DO THIS.
BUT-- I'M GOING TO NEED TO, YOU
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KNOW-- DO WHAT I WANT TO DO."
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>> Alfonsi: HE WENT ON TO
RELEASE HIS FIRST SINGLE IN
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2013, BUT IT WENT NOWHERE.
>> Chris Stapleton: THE SAME
MONTH THAT THAT SINGLE DIED MY
DAD ALSO PASSED AWAY IN THAT
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SAME MONTH.
IT WAS-- IT WAS A BAD MONTH, AND
I DIDN'T, DIDN'T FEEL GREAT
ABOUT IT, AND I WAS IN A REAL
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BAD SPOT.
>> Alfonsi: HOPING TO HELP,
MORGANE BOUGHT THIS VINTAGE JEEP
CHRIS HAD BEEN EYEING ONLINE,
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EVEN THOUGH IT WAS 1,600 MILES
AWAY IN PHOENIX, ARIZONA.
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THEY PICKED IT UP, AND ON THE
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TRIP BACK TO NASHVILLE, HE WROTE
"TRAVELLER," THE TITLE TRACK TO
HIS FIRST SOLO ALBUM.
THE COLLECTION OF 14 SONGS WOULD
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BE A TURNING POINT IN HIS
CAREER.
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>> Chris Stapleton: WE DID THAT
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WHOLE RECORD IN A WEEK.
>> Alfonsi: YOU DID "TRAVELLER"
IN ONE WEEK?
>> Chris Stapleton: YEAH.
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>> Alfonsi: YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING
ME.
>> Chris Stapleton: WE WERE ON A
ROLL, AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY I
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CAN DESCRIBE IT.
>> Alfonsi: AND DID YOU KNOW IN
YOUR HEART, LIKE, I KNOW WHAT
THIS SHOULD SOUND LIKE, I KNOW
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WHAT THIS SHOULD BE?
>> Chris Stapleton: WELL, I
WANTED TO MAKE A RECORD THAT I
THOUGHT MY DAD WOULD'VE LIKED.
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>> Alfonsi: MUSIC CRITICS LOVED
IT, BUT EARLY ON THE ALBUM WAS
ONLY A MODEST SUCCESS.
THAT CHANGED OVERNIGHT WHEN, AT
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THE 2015 C.M.A. AWARDS, POP STAR
JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE, A NEW FRIEND
AND FAN, JOINED HIM TO PERFORM.
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>> Chris Stapleton: IT WAS
ELECTRIC.
KIND OF LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE
KIND OF MOMENTS, THAT WAS ONE OF
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'EM, FOR SURE.
MAYBE-- THE BIGGEST ONE FOR US,
YOU KNOW?
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MOST PEOPLE THAT WERE WATCHING
THAT SHOW HAD NEVER HEARD OF ME
AT THAT POINT.
AND THEN SALES OF THAT RECORD
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WENT UP, YOU KNOW, A BAZILLION
PERCENT.
AND IT WAS JUST NUTTY AFTER
THAT.
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>> CHRIS STAPELTON, TRAVELLER!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
>> Alfonsi: STAPLETON WON FOUR
C.M.A. AWARDS THAT NIGHT, AND
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TWO GRAMMY'S A FEW MONTHS LATER.
SOMETHING HE NEVER DREAMED OF
WHEN HE CAME TO NASHVILLE TO
WRITE MUSIC.
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>> Chris Stapleton: THIS IS
LOWER BROADWAY.
ONE TIME, A LONG TIME AGO, JUST
FOR ALMOST A GAG, ME AND A BUDDY
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CAME DOWN AND I SAID, "WELL, I'M
JUST GOING TO PLAY ON THE-- THE
CORNER AND SEE WHAT I CAN DO."
>> Alfonsi: YOU DID?
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>> Chris Stapleton: I DID.
SO, I PLAYED ON THE CORNER.
AND-- AND I MADE, LIKE, I DON'T
KNOW, $40 BUCKS IN AN HOUR.
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AND AT THAT POINT, THAT WAS THE
MOST MONEY I'D EVER MADE IN AN
HOUR, AND I WAS LIKE, "MAYBE I
SHOULD JUST COME HERE AND PLAY
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ON THE STREET."
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>> Alfonsi: MORE THAN A DECADE
LATER, JUST BLOCKS FROM THAT
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CORNER, THIS WAS THE CROWD THAT
CAME TO HEAR HIM.
CHRIS STAPLETON HAS GROWN INTO
ONE OF THE BIGGEST STARS IN
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COUNTRY MUSIC, BUT HE REMAINS
ONE OF THE MOST RELUCTANT.
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IT MUST BE HARD FOR YOU TO HIDE
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OUT RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE A VERY DISTINCT LOOKING
FELLOW.
>> Chris Stapleton: I AM A VERY
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DISTINCT LOOKING FELLOW.
I CAN HIDE OUT.
I CAN WALK AROUND A LOT OF
PLACES, IF I'M NOT WEARING--
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>> Alfonsi: THE HAT.
>> Chris Stapleton: THE HAT AND,
YOU KNOW, ALL BLACKED OUT.
BUT-- AND ALSO, I'M KIND OF
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SCARY LOOKING.
SO, IT ALSO GIVES PEOPLE JUST
ENOUGH PAUSE SOMETIMES TO GO,
"I-- I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD
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WALK UP TO HIM RIGHT NOW."
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>> Alfonsi: HE MAY LOOK LIKE A
HELLS ANGEL, BUT HIS SONGS
REVEAL CHRIS STAPLETON'S TRUE
CHARACTER.
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UNDER THE HAT, IT'S ALL HEART.
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( TICKING )
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>> Wertheim: NEXT SUNDAY ON "60
MINUTES," A LOOK AT THE FADING
FUTURE OF LOCAL NEWSPAPERS.
AS HEDGE FUNDS AND FINANCIAL
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FIRMS SWALLOW UP DAILIES AND
WEEKLIES, CLOSING NEWSROOMS AND
SLASHING STAFF, HEADLINES AND
DEADLINES HAVE GIVEN WAY TO
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BOTTOM LINES.
BUT SOME LOSSES CAN'T BE SEEN ON
A SPREADSHEET.
>> THERE'S A CERTAIN ELEMENT OF
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COMMUNITY COHESION WHICH COMES
FROM THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER.
IT REMINDS US ALL ABOUT SHARED
EXPERIENCES.
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YOU KNOW WHO DIED, YOU KNOW WHO
GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, YOU
KNOW WHOSE KID HAD A GREAT GAME.
YOU KNOW THOSE ARE ALL IMPORTANT
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ELEMENTS ABOUT HOLDING PEOPLE
TOGETHER.
>> Wertheim: YOU'RE DESCRIBING
THE SOUL OF A COMMUNITY.
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>> SURE.