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We go further, so you can.
>> AT THE NATIONWIDE LEVEL, THE
NUMBER OF AMERICANS QUITTING
THEIR JOB IS HIGHER THAN EVER.
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>> DO THE DATA TELL YOU WHY?
>> WE CAN SEE WHAT SECTORS
PEOPLE ARE QUITTING-- RETAIL
SECTORS AND HOSPITALITY SECTORS.
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IT MAY NOT JUST BE WORTH IT FOR
SOME FOLKS.
AND SO, S-- IN SOME CASES,
PEOPLE ARE QUITTING, AND THEY'RE
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NOT YET RETURNING.
THEY'RE TAKING A BREAK.
AMERICANS ARE BURNT OUT.
>> SO, WHAT IS THE U.S.
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WORKFORCE LIKELY TO LOOK LIKE IN
THE NEAR FUTURE?
THAT'S OUR STORY, TONIGHT.
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>> I'M HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT,
"I WANT TO BE A PART OF A BETTER
WORLD FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR
GRANDCHILDREN."
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>> YEAH.
I CAN'T SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD,
BUT I CAN DO MY PART.
>> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU PUT
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AMERICANS FROM OPPOSITE SIDES OF
THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ACROSS
FROM ONE ANOTHER, AND ASKED THEM
TO TALK?
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HAVE A LOOK AT SOMETHING CALLED
"ONE SMALL STEP."
>> PEOPLE FEEL MISUNDERSTOOD AND
JUDGED.
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YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS EVER, IN
THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY,
NOBODY'S EVER CHANGED THEIR MIND
BECAUSE-- BY BEING CALLED AN
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IDIOT OR A MORON OR A SNOWFLAKE.
( TICKING )
>> IF IT'S NOT THE LEAST
GLAMOROUS JOB IN THE N.F.L., IT
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MAY BE THE MOST STRESSFUL.
WE SPEAK OF THE KICKER.
THEY ARE NOT THE BIGGEST OR BEST
ATHLETES ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD,
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BUT THEY SCORE ABOUT A THIRD OF
ALL POINTS.
SO, WITH THE N.F.L. PLAYOFFS ON
OUR DOORSTEP, WE THOUGHT IT
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WOULD BE INTERESTING TO GET
INSIDE THE QUIRKY MINDS OF THE
GUYS WHO BOOT THE BALL-- END
OVER END, WITH TIME RUNNING OUT-
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- UP AND OVER THE BAR.
>> IF YOU'RE NOT FEELING JUST,
LIKE, A LITTLE SOMETHING, LIKE,
YOU KNOW, ARE YOU EVEN REALLY
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LIVING?
( TICKING )
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>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
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>> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES AND MORE, TONIGHT,
ON "60 MINUTES."
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( TICKING )
>> Lesley Stahl: WE'VE ALL SEEN
SIGNS IN FRONT OF SHOPS,
RESTAURANTS, AND FACTORIES:
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"WE'RE HIRING!" "HELP WANTED!"
AND NOW, THE OMICRON VARIANT IS
TAKING A TOLL ON THE ALREADY-
DEPLETED WORKFORCE.
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WE'VE WONDERED HOW THERE CAN BE
SO MANY OPEN JOBS WHEN NEARLY
EVERY EMPLOYER SEEMS TO BE
OFFERING BETTER PAY, BENEFITS,
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AND EVEN SIGNING BONUSES.
THE GOVERNMENT'S JOBS REPORT,
RELEASED THIS PAST WEEK, TELLS
US WHAT HAS HAPPENED: WELL OVER
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20 MILLION PEOPLE QUIT THEIR
JOBS IN THE SECOND HALF OF 2021.
SOME ARE CALLING IT THE "BIG
QUIT," OTHERS, THE "GREAT
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RESIGNATION."
BUT, WHO CAN EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS
HAPPENING?
BILL WHITAKER REPORTS.
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HE FOUND THE BEST PLACE TO LOOK
FOR REAL-TIME ANSWERS IS THE
HUGE ONLINE JOB SITE LINKEDIN,
WHICH CALLS ITSELF THE WORLD'S
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LARGEST PROFESSIONAL NETWORK.
>> Karin Kimbrough: PEOPLE HAVE
BEEN LIVING TO WORK FOR A VERY
LONG TIME, AND I THINK THE
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PANDEMIC BROUGHT THAT MOMENT OF
REFLECTION FOR EVERYONE.
"WHAT DO I WANT TO DO?
WHAT MAKES MY HEART SING?"
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AND PEOPLE ARE THINKING, "IF NOT
NOW, THEN WHEN?"
>> Whitaker: KARIN KIMBROUGH IS
LINKEDIN'S CHIEF ECONOMIST.
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SHE HAS DEGREES FROM STANFORD
AND HARVARD AND A Ph.D. FROM
OXFORD, USED TO WORK FOR THE
FEDERAL RESERVE, AND NOW HAS A
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BIRDS-EYE VIEW OF THE U.S.
LABOR MARKET.
>> Kimbrough: WE HAVE THIS
UNIQUE VIEW OF THE DATA.
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WE CAN SEE ACROSS MILLIONS OF
MEMBERS AND WHAT THEY SHARE WITH
US, AND WE CAN SEE FROM
EMPLOYERS, MILLIONS OF THEM THAT
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ARE POSTING JOBS ON OUR
PLATFORM.
THERE IS ONE PERSON HIRED EVERY
15 SECONDS RIGHT NOW ON
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LINKEDIN.
>> Whitaker: BUT LINKEDIN'S DATA
ON WHO IS LEAVING JOBS IS MOST
COMPELLING: MILLIONS OF BABY
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BOOMERS RETIRING EARLY, BUT ALSO
MILLIONS OF "GEN Z"
WORKERS-- PEOPLE IN THEIR TEENS
AND EARLY 20s.
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MANY MORE WOMEN THAN MEN.
IN ALL, THE HIGHEST "QUIT RATE"
SINCE THE GOVERNMENT STARTED
KEEPING TRACK, TWO DECADES AGO.
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>> Kimbrough: AT THE NATIONWIDE
LEVEL, THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS
QUITTING THEIR JOB IS HIGHER
THAN EVER.
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>> Whitaker: HIGHER THAN EVER?
>> Kimbrough: HIGHER THAN EVER.
>> Whitaker: DO THE DATA TELL
YOU WHY?
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>> Kimbrough: WE CAN SEE WHAT
SECTORS PEOPLE ARE QUITTING--
RETAIL SECTORS AND HOSPITALITY
SECTORS.
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IT MAY NOT JUST BE WORTH IT FOR
SOME FOLKS.
AND SO, S-- IN SOME CASES,
PEOPLE ARE QUITTING, AND THEY'RE
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NOT YET RETURNING.
THEY'RE TAKING A BREAK.
AMERICANS ARE BURNT OUT.
I LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS-- IT'S
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A, "TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT"
MEASURE.
IT'S JUST A SIGN OF PEOPLE
SAYING, "YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED
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THIS."
>> Whitaker: "I'M OUT."
>> Kimbrough: "I'M OUT."
>> Whitaker: THE MOST RECENT
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DATA SHOW PEOPLE QUITTING JOBS
ACROSS THE BOARD: 4.4% OF ALL
POSITIONS IN EDUCATION ARE OPEN,
OVER 6% IN RETAIL, AND MORE THAN
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8% IN HEALTH CARE.
OPEN JOBS IN HOTELS AND
RESTAURANTS ARE NEARLY 9%.
THAT'S ALMOST 1.5 MILLION VACANT
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POSITIONS.
>> Carl Sobocinski: WE DO HAVE
OPENINGS, AND WE DO NEED MORE
EMPLOYEES.
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>> Whitaker: CARL SOBOCINSKI
OWNS SEVERAL RESTAURANTS IN
GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA.
HE NEEDS WORKERS BOTH IN THE
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KITCHEN AND OUT FRONT WAITING
TABLES.
WHAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IN-
- IN ATTRACTING THEM AND--
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KEEPING THE EMPLOYEES?
>> Sobocinski: IT'S A PROBLEM
THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT OUT THERE.
WHERE WE ARE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE
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THE WORKERS OUT THERE LOOKING
FOR THE JOBS.
>> Whitaker: CONSTRUCTION IS
ANOTHER SECTOR WITHOUT ENOUGH
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WORKERS.
AT LAST COUNT, THERE WERE NEARLY
350,000 OPEN CONSTRUCTION JOBS
NATIONWIDE.
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YOU'RE FINDING IT MORE DIFFICULT
TO FIND PEOPLE RIGHT NOW--
>> James Jordon: ABSOLUTELY.
>> Whitaker: --ACROSS THE BOARD?
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>> Jordon: ACROSS THE BOARD.
>> Whitaker: JAMES JORDON OWNS A
FAST-GROWING CONSTRUCTION
COMPANY IN GREENVILLE.
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>> Jordon: WE DOUBLED OUR
REVENUE YEAR OVER YEAR.
WE DON'T HAVE A WORK PROBLEM AT
ALL.
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NOW, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF
FINDING THE INDIVIDUALS TO BE
ABLE TO DO-- PERFORM THE WORK.
>> Whitaker: SO IT'S NOT A WORK
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PROBLEM, IT'S A WORKER PROBLEM?
>> Jordon: IT'S A WORKER
PROBLEM.
>> Whitaker: WE CAME TO
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GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA AFTER
SEEING IT ON A LINKEDIN DATA MAP
SHOWING TRENDS OF GEOGRAPHIC
MIGRATION.
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LOTS OF WORKERS LEAVING BIG
CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND
CHICAGO, AND LOTS OF WORKERS
MOVING TO PLACES LIKE AUSTIN AND
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MIAMI, AND GREENVILLE.
THAT'S ANOTHER BIG SIGN OF THIS
JOB MARKET.
PEOPLE ARE MOVING.
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>> Kimbrough: A LOT OF PEOPLE
ARE JUST OPTING, BECAUSE OF
AFFORDABLE HOUSING COSTS, TO
CHOOSE MORE AFFORDABLE PLACES,
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SMALLER CITIES THAT GIVE YOU
MORE SPACE, WILL FEEL SAFER.
AND PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TRY
SOMETHING NEW.
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>> Whitaker: FOR WHAT YOU'D PAY
TO RENT AN APARTMENT IN SAN
FRANCISCO, YOU CAN BUY A NICE
HOUSE IN GREENVILLE.
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IT HAS ATTRACTED BIG EMPLOYERS
LIKE BMW AND MICHELIN, BUT ALSO
TRIES TO NURTURE SMALL
BUSINESSES AND START-UPS.
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STILL, YOU SEE ALL THE SAME
"HELP WANTED" SIGNS ON
GREENVILLE'S MAIN STREET AS YOU
WOULD IN ANY BIG CITY.
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MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT
GENEROUS GOVERNMENT STIMULUS AND
UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE REALLY
WHAT'S KEEPING SO MANY WORKERS
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ON THE SIDELINES-- NO MATTER
WHERE THEY LIVE.
>> Sobocinski: THE QUICK ANSWER
PEOPLE SAY IS, WE'RE STILL
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PROVIDING TOO MANY BENEFITS, AND
TOO MANY PEOPLE CAN SIT AT HOME
AND-- AND GET A CHECK.
I PERSONALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT.
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OUR ASSOCIATES THAT DIDN'T COME
BACK?
THEY'RE NOT SITTING AT HOME.
THEY FOUND OTHER CAREERS, OTHER
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OPPORTUNITIES, THAT FIT THEIR
LIFESTYLE BETTER.
>> Kimbrough: WHAT WE SAW WAS
THAT, WHEN THESE BENEFITS WERE
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TURNED OFF, WHEN WORKERS WERE NO
LONGER GETTING THE BENEFITS,
THEY DID NOT RUSH BACK TO WORK.
>> Whitaker: WHAT DOES THAT TELL
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YOU?
>> Kimbrough: THAT TELLS ME THAT
IT'S NOT JUST A FUNCTION OF THE
BENEFITS.
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THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT'S
GOING ON IN THE HEADS OF WORKERS
WHEN THEY MAKE THAT CALCULUS
ABOUT, "SHOULD I GO BACK, WILL I
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GO BACK, AND FOR WHAT JOB?"
>> Whitaker: SO, IS ALL OF THIS
PRODUCING A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN
THE BALANCE OF POWER BETWEEN
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EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES?
>> Kimbrough: IT'S AS IF THAT
SOCIAL CONTRACT OF WORK IS BEING
REWRITTEN, AND RIGHT NOW, THE
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WORKER'S HOLDING THE PEN.
THERE ARE JUST THOUSANDS UPON
THOUSANDS OF AVAILABLE JOBS IN
AMERICA RIGHT NOW, AND COMPANIES
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ARE EAGER TO HIRE-- BUT WORKERS
ARE BEING VERY CHOOSY.
>> Whitaker: SO, EMPLOYEES ARE
KIND OF IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT?
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>> Kimbrough: EMPLOYEES ARE IN
THE DRIVER'S SEAT RIGHT NOW.
>> Whitaker: WORKERS WANT BETTER
PAY AND BENEFITS, OF COURSE, BUT
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THEY'RE ALSO DEMANDING AUTONOMY
AND FLEXIBILITY, PARTICULARLY IN
THEIR WORK SCHEDULES.
AND EMPLOYERS, LARGE AND SMALL,
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SIMPLY HAVE TO RESPOND.
>> Sobocinski: I THINK
FLEXIBILITY'S CRITICAL.
>> Whitaker: THIS IS THE
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EMPLOYEES' DEMAND.
>> Sobocinski: THE EMPLOYEES,
THEY WANT FLEXIBILITY.
AND IF YOU'RE AN EMPLOYER THAT
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WON'T-- THAT WON'T WORK WITH
YOUR EMPLOYEES, TO-- TO BE
FLEXIBLE WITH THEM, THEN YOU'RE
GOING TO BE-- YOU'RE MISSING
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OUT.
I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO.
>> Whitaker: SO, IS IT THE CASE
THAT, GONE ARE THE DAYS WHERE AN
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EMPLOYER WOULD SAY, "YOU'RE JUST
LUCKY TO HAVE THIS JOB"?
>> Jordon: I-- I THINK SO.
I THINK SO, AND I THINK IT'S FOR
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THE BETTER.
>> Whitaker: JAMES JORDON'S
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WILL PAY AN
EMPLOYEE'S TUITION IF THEY WANT
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TO CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION...
>> Jordon: PERFECT TIMING!
COME ON IN.
>> Whitaker: ...AND THEIR MOVING
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EXPENSES, IF THEY RELOCATE.
AND, LIKE SO MANY EMPLOYERS,
HE'S OFFERING SIGNING BONUSES
AND FLEXIBLE HOURS TO NEW HIRES.
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I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS ONE YOUNG
MAN, ONE YOUNG RECRUIT, THAT YOU
CALLED EVERY DAY FOR TWO MONTHS?
>> Jordon: I DID!
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( LAUGHS )
>> Whitaker: ( LAUGHS )
YOU REALLY WANTED THIS YOUNG
MAN--
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>> Jordon: I DID.
I DID.
>> Whitaker: DID YOU FINALLY GET
HIM?
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>> Jordon: I FINALLY GOT HIM.
HE STARTED LAST WEEK, MONDAY.
>> Whitaker: WHAT A STUNNING
TURNAROUND FROM THE SPRING OF
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2020, WHEN THE PANDEMIC
ESSENTIALLY SHUT THE ECONOMY
DOWN.
>> Kimbrough: WE HAD NEVER SEEN
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ANYTHING LIKE IT.
WHEN YOU LOSE 22 MILLION JOBS IN
JUST TWO MONTHS?
AND, IT'S UNTHINKABLE.
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>> Whitaker: KIMBROUGH REMEMBERS
THAT WORKING MOTHERS WERE-- AND
STILL ARE-- AMONG THOSE HARDEST
HIT, AS THE PANDEMIC ROBBED THEM
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OF MANY OF THEIR CHILD-CARE
OPTIONS.
>> Kimbrough: WHAT WE'RE SEEING
NOW IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GREAT
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STORY OF RESILIENCE.
BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING MORE AND
MORE WOMEN COME BACK INTO THE
WORKFORCE.
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WE'RE STILL MISSING A FEW
MILLION WOMEN, BY THE WAY, IN
THE WORKFORCE.
WE'RE NOT FULLY THERE.
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>> Whitaker: STILL?
>> Kimbrough: STILL MISSING A
FEW MILLION WOMEN.
BUT WE'RE SEEING THEM COME BACK.
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AND PREDOMINANTLY, THE WOMEN
THAT WERE MISSING ARE PARENTS OF
YOUNG CHILDREN.
THEY WERE HIT THE HARDEST.
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>> Melissa Williams: I JUST
DECIDED TO LEAVE.
I HAD NOWHERE TO GO.
I HAD NO HOPES FOR EMPLOYMENT.
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LUCKILY, MY HUSBAND WAS
GAINFULLY EMPLOYED, AND I WAS
ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT, I JUST WALKED AWAY.
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>> Whitaker: MELISSA WILLIAMS
WALKED AWAY FROM A MARKETING JOB
IN GREENVILLE IN EARLY 2021.
WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT, SHE WAS
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BALANCING MARRIAGE, MOTHERHOOD,
AND HER CAREER.
YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PART OF A
TREND.
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>> Williams: YES.
>> Whitaker: THERE'S, LIKE, A
FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT--
>> Williams: THE GREAT
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RESIGNATION.
( LAUGHS )
>> Whitaker: PEOPLE WHO ARE
SAYING AND DOING WHAT YOU DID.
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"I-- I-- I CAN DO BETTER THAN
THIS.
THIS ISN'T-- THIS ISN'T FUN.
THIS ISN'T ME."
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>> Williams: LIKE YOU SAID, I
HIT A WALL, AND I WAS DONE.
>> Whitaker: WAS THAT DIFFICULT?
I MEAN--
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>> Williams: IT WAS.
IT WAS VERY SCARY.
BECAUSE I HAD-- I'VE BEEN
EMPLOYED SINCE I WAS 17 YEARS
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OLD.
I REMEMBER GOING HOME AFTER I
PUT IN MY RESIGNATION AND-- AND
I JUST SAT THERE ON THE COUCH
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AND I WAS LIKE, "WHAT DID I JUST
DO?
I JUST QUIT MY JOB.
I HAVE NO JOB TO GO TO.
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WE HAVE BILLS.
WE HAVE A CHILD.
WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES."
AND MY HUSBAND'S LIKE, "YOU WANT
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TO GO FOR A WALK?"
IT'S LIKE, "WELL, I DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING ELSE TO DO!"
( LAUGHS )
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SO WE WENT FOR A WALK.
( LAUGHS )
>> Kenzie Biggins: IT IS
CHALLENGING TO GO SAY, "I'M
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GOING TO GO OUT ON MY OWN,"
IN GENERAL.
IT REALLY DOES TAKE SOME WORK.
BUT PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE CONTROL.
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>> Whitaker: KENZIE BIGGINS
MOVED TO GREENVILLE IN 2017, A
FEW YEARS AFTER SHE FOUNDED
WORXBEE, WHICH PAIRS REMOTE
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ASSISTANTS WITH EXECUTIVES AND
COMPANIES THAT NEED
ADMINISTRATIVE HELP.
YOU FIND EXECUTIVE ASSISTANTS
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ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND YOU
TEAM THEM UP WITH EXECUTIVES AND
COMPANIES ALSO ALL OVER THE
COUNTRY?
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>> Biggins: YES.
>> Whitaker: SO ONE CAN BE IN
GREENVILLE, AND AN EXECUTIVE CAN
BE IN CHICAGO.
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>> Biggins: YEAH.
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BEST PAIRING
FOR YOU.
>> Whitaker: KENZIE HAD THE IDEA
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FOR WORXBEE YEARS BEFORE THE
PANDEMIC MADE SUCH ARRANGEMENTS
COMMON.
YOU WERE AHEAD OF THE CURVE, AND
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THEN THE CURVE CAUGHT UP.
( LAUGHS )
>> Biggins: LET ME JUST SAY
THIS, I GOT A LOT OF CRAZY LOOKS
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FOR A VERY LONG TIME, YOU KNOW,
WALKING INTO PLACES AND SAYING,
"YOU SHOULD HAVE A VIRTUAL
EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT."
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PEOPLE LOOKED AT ME LIKE I HAD
FIVE HEADS.
THEY WERE LIKE, "WHAT?"
>> Whitaker: PANDEMIC HITS, AND
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ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU'RE A
GENIUS.
>> Biggins: WE WENT FROM CLOSING
THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE A MONTH, TO
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CLOSING TEN TO 18 PEOPLE PER
MONTH, WHICH IS QUITE THE JUMP!
( LAUGHS )
IN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE PAIRED,
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AND BRING IN NEW E.A.s.
>> Kimbrough: AMERICANS HAVE
REALLY TAKEN A LIKING TO REMOTE
WORK.
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THEY'RE 2.5 TIMES AS LIKELY TO
APPLY TO A JOB THAT'S REMOTE
VERSUS A JOB THAT'S NOT REMOTE.
>> Whitaker: HOW'S THAT
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DIFFERENT FROM PRE-PANDEMIC?
>> Kimbrough: SO, PRE-PANDEMIC,
I THINK ONE IN EVERY 67 JOBS WAS
A REMOTE JOB.
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>> Whitaker: AND NOW?
>> Kimbrough: AND NOW IT'S ONE
IN SEVEN.
>> Whitaker: ONE IN SEVEN?
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>> Kimbrough: ONE IN SEVEN JOBS
IS REMOTE NOW.
IT'S HUGE--
>> Whitaker: THAT'S A HUGE
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SHIFT.
>> Kimbrough: HUGE RISE IN M--
AND I THINK WHAT IT IS, IS THAT
COMPANIES HAVE REALIZED THAT IF
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THEY WANT TO ATTRACT CANDIDATES,
THEY KIND OF NEED TO MEET THEM
WHERE THEY ARE NOW.
>> Williams: WORXBEE FOUND ME AT
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THE MOST OPPORTUNE TIME.
>> Whitaker: TWO MONTHS AFTER
QUITTING HER OFFICE JOB, MELISSA
STARTED WITH WORXBEE.
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>> Williams: THE CHURN RATE IS
FINALLY SHOWING ITS STRIPES.
SO, HALLELUJAH!
>> Whitaker: SHE'S NOW AN
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EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR THREE
ORGANIZATIONS.
YOU'RE WORKING FOR THREE
DIFFERENT BOSSES--
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>> Williams: YES.
UH-HUH.
>> Whitaker: FROM HOME.
>> Williams: UH-HUH.
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>> Whitaker: ALL VIRTUALLY.
>> Williams: YES.
>> Whitaker: IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU
COULD BE JUST AS BUSY AS YOU
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WERE BEFORE.
>> Williams: I AM.
I AM JUST AS BUSY.
THE DIFFERENCE IS, IT'S MY
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CHOICE.
>> Whitaker: NOW YOU HAVE A
FOURTH JOB?
>> Williams: I DO.
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( LAUGHS )
I DO.
I AM ALSO AN ENGLISH INSTRUCTOR
AT GREENVILLE TECHNICAL COLLEGE.
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>> Whitaker: WORXBEE, AND THE
ABILITY TO DESIGN YOUR WORK
LIFE, DOES THAT MAKE IT POSSIBLE
FOR YOU TO NOW ENJOY WHAT SEEMS
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TO BE YOUR PASSION?
>> Williams: ABSOLUTELY.
>> Whitaker: TO TEACH ENGLISH.
>> Williams: ABSOLUTELY.
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IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR WORXBEE,
I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO
EVEN GIVE THIS A SHOT.
>> Whitaker: THE PENDULUM OF
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POWER MAY SOON SWING BACK TOWARD
EMPLOYERS, ESPECIALLY AS WORKERS
WHO'VE QUIT THEIR JOBS DEPLETE
THEIR SAVINGS.
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BUT KARIN KIMBROUGH EXPECTS
EMPLOYEES TO CLING TO THE
FLEXIBILITY THEY'VE FOUGHT FOR.
>> Kimbrough: I THINK ACTUALLY
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THAT THIS TREND TOWARDS HAVING
MORE FLEXIBILITY COULD BE
PERMANENT.
>> Williams: I HONESTLY CAN SAY
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I DON'T SEE MYSELF GOING BACK TO
AN OFFICE, EVER.
AND THAT--
>> Whitaker: EVER?
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>> Williams: EVER.
HONESTLY, THERE IS NO OFFICE
THAT COULD OFFER ME WHAT I HAVE
IN MY HOUSE.
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IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE.
( TICKING )
>> Norah O'Donnell: THIS PAST
THURSDAY MARKED THE FIRST
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ANNIVERSARY OF THE ATTACK ON THE
U.S. CAPITOL, WHEN AN ANGRY MOB
TRIED AND FAILED TO STOP
CONGRESS FROM CERTIFYING THE
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2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
THE INSURRECTION'S ONLY SUCCESS
WAS TO FURTHER POLARIZE A
COUNTRY ALREADY DIVIDED.
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TONIGHT, WE'LL INTRODUCE YOU TO
SOMEONE ATTEMPTING TO BRIDGE
THAT DIVIDE.
DAVE ISAY HAS CRETED A PROGRAM
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CALLED "ONE SMALL STEP" TO GT
AMERICANS FROM ACROSS THE
POLITICAL SPECTRUM TO STOP
DEMONIZING ONE ANOTHER AND START
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COMMUNICATING-- FACE TO FACE,
ONE CONVERSATION AT A TIME.
"ONE SMALL STEP" GREW OUT OF
"STORYCORPS," THE ORAL HISTORY
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PROJECT DAVE ISAY FOUNDED 18
YEARS AGO.
IT HAS TAPED MORE THAN HALF A
MILLION AMERICANS TELLING THEIR
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STORIES, TO BECOME THE LARGEST
SINGLE COLLECTION OF HUMAN
VOICES EVER RECORDED-- WITH ONE
AIM AT ITS CORE.
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>> Dave Isay: WHAT IF WE JUST
GIVE THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THE
CHANCE TO BE LISTENED TO AND
HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT, YOU
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KNOW, WHO THEY ARE?
>> O'Donnell: DO YOU THINK PART
OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IN
AMERICA IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SO
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ANGRY BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL
LIKE ANYBODY'S LISTENING TO
THEM?
>> Isay: YEAH.
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I THINK PEOPLE FEEL-- PEOPLE
FEEL MISUNDERSTOOD AND JUDGED
AND UNHEARD.
YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS EVER, IN
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THE-- IN THE HISTORY OF
HUMANITY, NO-- NOBODY'S EVER
CHANGED THEIR MIND BECAUSE-- BY
BEING CALLED AN IDIOT OR A MORON
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OR A SNOWFLAKE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, MANY MINDS HAVE
BEEN CHANGED BY BEING LISTENED
TO, BY CONVERSATION, BEING TOLD
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THAT THEY'RE LOVED.
>> O'Donnell: SOMETHING THAT WE
WOULD ALL CONSIDER MAYBE SO
SIMPLE IS SO POWERFUL.
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>> Isay: YEAH, BEING TOLD THAT,
ALL OF OUR STORIES MATTER
EQUALLY AND INFINITELY, IS-- YOU
KNOW, IS-- IS SOMETHING EVERYONE
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NEEDS TO HEAR.
>> O'Donnell: DAVE ISAY SEEMS TO
ALWAYS BE LISTENING, ALWAYS
TAKING NOTES, EVEN DURING OUR
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INTERVIEW.
HE TOLD US JOURNALISM SHOULD BE
A PUBLIC SERVICE, AND NOW HOPES
THAT "ONE SMALL STEP" CAN HELP
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END WHAT HE CALLS THE "CULTURE
OF CONTEMPT" THAT IS TEARING
APART THE COUNTRY.
>> Isay: THE SITUATION IS SO BAD
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THAT, YOU KNOW, IF-- IF THE
CULTURE OF CONTEMPT WINS--
THINGS ARE JUST NOT GOING TO END
WELL FOR THE UNITED STATES.
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>> O'Donnell: WHAT'S FUELING THE
CULTURE OF CONTEMPT?
>> Isay: IT'S MEDIA.
IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA.
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I MEAN, THERE'S A MULTI-MULTI-
MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR HATE
INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, WHERE
PEOPLE-- YOU KNOW, CAN MAKE
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MONEY BY MAKING US HATE AND FEAR
EACH OTHER.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DAVID AND
GOLIATH FIGHT HERE.
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>> O'Donnell: LONG BEFORE HE
STARTED STORYCORPS AND "ONE
SMALL STEP," DAVE ISAY FOUGHT TO
TELL STORIES OF THE FORGOTTEN BY
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MAKING RADIO DOCUMENTARIES IN
FLOPHOUSES, COAL MINES, AND
PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECTS.
>> Isay: I NEED YOU GUYS FROM
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HERE ON IN TO BE, LIKE, REALLY
ON TOP OF STUFF.
>> O'Donnell: HE FIRST APPEARED
ON "60 MINUTES" NEARLY 25 YEARS
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AGO, IN A STORY WITH LESLEY
STAHL ABOUT TWO TEENAGERS FROM
CHICAGO WHO MADE THEIR OWN
DOCUMENTARY WITH HIS HELP.
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THE PAIR WON A PEABODY AWARD,
ONE OF THE HIGHEST HONORS IN
BROADCASTING.
>> Teenager: THANK YOU.
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>> O'Donnell: IN 2003, HE GOT
THE IDEA FOR STORYCORPS.
>> Isay: EVERYBODY-- MY FAMILY,
EVERYBODY, THOUGHT IT WAS
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ABSOLUTELY INSANE.
YOU KNOW, WE-- ( LAUGHTER )
WE STARTED WITH A BOOTH IN GRAND
CENTRAL TERMINAL.
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AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE IDEA.
YOU COME TO THE BOOTH WITH YOUR
GRANDMOTHER, WITH ANYONE WHO YOU
WANT TO HONOR BY LISTENING TO
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THEM.
SO PEOPLE THINK OF IT AS, "IF I
HAD 40 MINUTES LEFT TO LIVE,
WHAT WOULD I SAY TO THIS PERSON
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WHO MEANS SO MUCH TO ME?"
>> O'Donnell: TO ATTRACT PEOPLE,
HE REACHED OUT TO THE PEOPLE'S
LIBRARY-- SPECIFICALLY THE
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DIRECTOR OF THE LIBRARY OF
CONGRESS' AMERICAN FOLKLIFE
CENTER.
>> Isay: AND I SAID, "I'M GOING
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TO TRY AND RECORD THE WHOLE
COUNTRY.
WILL YOU ACCEPT THE MATERIAL?"
AND SHE SAID THOSE MAGICAL THREE
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LETTERS, "YES."
( LAUGHS )
AND THAT WAS IT.
AND HERE WE ARE.
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>> O'Donnell: THE STORYCORPS
ARCHIVE IS IN GOOD COMPANY AT
WHAT IS THE LARGEST LIBRARY IN
THE WORLD.
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OTHER TREASURES HERE INCLUDE A
RARE GUTENBERG BIBLE, AS WELL AS
A DRAFT OF THE DECLARATION OF
INDEPENDENCE HANDWRITTEN BY
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THOMAS JEFFERSON, AND A
PRELIMINARY DRAFT OF PRESIDENT
LINCOLN'S EMANCIPATION
PROCLAMATION.
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DR. CARLA HAYDEN SERVES AS THE
LIBRARIAN OF CONGRESS.
UNTIL RECENTLY IT WAS A LIFETIME
APPOINTMENT, SO ONLY 14 PEOPLE
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HAVE HELD THE JOB SINCE 1802.
HOW DOES HAVING STORYCORPS HERE
FIT INTO YOUR VISION FOR THE
LIBRARY OF CONGRESS?
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>> Dr. Carla Hayden: STORYCORPS
IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF ADDING
HISTORY AND CONTEXT AND THE
INDIVIDUALS WHO MAKE HISTORY.
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NOT JUST THE ONES THAT WE SEE ON
THE NEWS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE
PART OF THE FABRIC OF OUR
AMERICAN LIFE.
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THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE-- WHAT DID
THEY FEEL, WHAT DO THEY BELIEVE?
>> O'Donnell: TO TRY TO FIND
OUT, STORYCORPS ROLLED OUT A
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MOBILE BOOTH IN 2005 TO TRAVEL
THE COUNTRY.
THEY ALSO LAUNCHED PARTNERSHIPS
AND STORY COLLECTION PROGRAMS IN
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MULTIPLE AMERICAN CITIES.
>> Isay: THIS IS DAVE ISAY,
FOUNDER OF STORYCORPS.
>> O'Donnell: WHEN THE PANDEMIC
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HIT, THEY CREATED A NEW WAY FOR
PEOPLE TO SUBMIT STORIES ONLINE.
>> Isay: SHARE YOUR INTERVIEW
FAR AND WIDE, AND KNOW THAT
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SOMEDAY, FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL
BE LISTENING.
>> O'Donnell: EVERY FRIDAY, FOR
THE LAST 16 YEARS, NATIONAL
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PUBLIC RADIO SENDS ONE STORY
INTO THE HOMES, HEADPHONES, AND
CARS OF SIX MILLION PEOPLE.
>> Steve Inskeep: HEY, IT'S
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FRIDAY, WHICH IS WHEN WE HEAR
FROM STORYCORPS.
>> O'Donnell: WE WERE RECENTLY
AT NPR'S WASHINGTON STUDIO TO
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HEAR "MORNING EDITION" HOST
STEVE INSKEEP INTRODUCE THE
STORY OF MIGUEL ENCINIAS, A
DECORATED FIGHTER PILOT WHO
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PASSED AWAY IN 2016 AT THE AGE
OF 92.
>> Inskeep: HE SERVED AS A U.S.
MILITARY PILOT IN WORLD WAR II
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AND KOREA AND VIETNAM.
TWO OF HIS CHILDREN, ISABEL AND
JUAN PABLO ENCINIAS, CAME TO
STORYCORPS TO REMEMBER HIM.
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>> Isabel Encinias: WHEN I WAS
LITTLE, I REMEMBER HIM FLYING IN
HIS FIGHTER JET AND US WAITING
FOR HIM ON THE TARMAC AND
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THINKING, "OH MY GOD, WHAT A
HERO MY FATHER IS."
>> Juan-Pablo Encinias: AS HE
GOT OLDER, HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH
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DEMENTIA.
BUT EVEN AT THE END, WHEN HE
COGNITIVELY WASN'T ALL THERE, HE
WOULD HEAR A PLANE AND JUST LOOK
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UP AND STARE AT IT IN THE SKY.
AND YOU COULD TELL THAT HE JUST
WANTED TO BE UP IN THAT PLANE
WITH EVERY OUNCE OF HIS BEING.
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>> Isabel Encinias: MAYBE HE'S
LISTENING TO US SOMEWHERE UP
THERE.
( LAUGHS )
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>> Juan-Pablo Encinias: I HOPE
SO.
>> Isay: SOMETIMES, IN AN
INTERVIEW, YOU CAN ALMOST SEE
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SPARKS FLYING OUT OF SOMEONE'S
MOUTH.
THERE'S-- THERE'S JUST THIS KIND
OF MAGNIFICENCE AND GRACE TO THE
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STORY.
AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU
JUST-- IT-- IT ALMOST DEMANDS TO
BE SHARED WITH A LARGER
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AUDIENCE.
>> O'Donnell: IN 2010,
STORYCORPS BEGAN TO ANIMATE
CONVERSATIONS TO BE VIEWED BY
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NEW AUDIENCES ONLINE, LIKE THIS
ONE, RECORDED IN MISSISSIPPI,
BETWEEN ALBERT SYKES AND HIS
NINE-YEAR-OLD SON AIDAN.
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>> Aidan Sykes: ARE YOU PROUD OF
ME?
>> Albert Sykes: OF COURSE.
YOU MY MAN.
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I-- I JUST LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT
YOU, PERIOD.
>> Aidan Sykes: THE THING I LOVE
ABOUT YOU-- YOU NEVER GIVE UP ON
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ME.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WIL
ALWAYS REMEMBER ABOUT MY DAD.
>> O'Donnell: HAVE YOU THOUGHT
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ABOUT SELLING KLEENEXES?
( LAUGHS )
YOU COULD MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
>> Isay: WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO
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GET KLEENEX AS A SPONSOR, BUT
THEY'VE NEVER AGREED.
( LAUGHS )
>> O'Donnell: ONLY A TINY
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FRACTION OF STORYCORPS' HUNDREDS
OF THOUSANDS OF STORIES EVER
MAKE IT ONTO THE RADIO.
THEY'RE SELECTED BY STORYCORPS'
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FACILITATORS, WHO MAKE UP THE
ACTUAL CORPS OF STORYCORPS.
>> Facilitator: ONCE I PRESS
RECORD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU
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INTRODUCE YOURSELVES.
>> O'Donnell: FACILITATORS ARE
TRAINED IN BOTH THE ART AND THE
TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF STORY
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COLLECTION.
>> Facilitator: WONDERFUL.
>> O'Donnell: JASON REYNOLDS
SERVES ON STORYCORPS' BOARD OF
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DIRECTORS.
HE'S ALSO ONE OF THE MOST
POPULAR AND CELEBRATED YOUNG
ADULT AUTHORS IN THE COUNTRY.
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16 YEARS AGO, FRESH OUT OF
COLLEGE, HE WAS A FACILITATOR
WHO CONDUCTED CLOSE TO 300
STORYCORPS SESSIONS OVER 18
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MONTHS.
>> Jason Reynolds: I FELT LIKE I
WAS PRIVY TO SOMETHING SPECIAL,
SOMETHING SACRED, YOU KNOW, AND
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SOMETHING THAT WOULD LAST
FOREVER.
YOU KNOW, AND NO ONE WOULD KNOW
THAT I'M IN THE ROOM, RIGHT?
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BUT I WAS IN THE ROOM FOR SOME
OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL TALES I'VE
EVER HEARD.
>> O'Donnell: SO IT SOUNDS LIKE
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WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE BOOTH IS
VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PEOPLE
MAY HEAR ON THE RADIO?
>> Reynolds: ABSOLUTELY.
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SOMETIMES YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR
THE ANXIETY OF IT ALL.
AND OTHER TIMES, YOU CAN HEAR--
THE GENTLE TENDERNESS OF HUMAN
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BEINGS.
>> Isay: I THINK STORYCORPS AND
THE FACILITATORS, THEY GET TO
SEE, YOU KNOW, WHO WE REALLY ARE
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AS AMERICANS, AND IT'S NOT WHAT
YOU SEE ON 24-HOUR NEWS.
>> O'Donnell: AROUND THE TIME OF
THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION,
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DAVE ISAY SAYS HE GOT THE IDEA
FOR A NEW KIND OF STORYCORPS
THAT COULD PERHAPS HELP UNITE A
COUNTRY BECOMING INCREASINGLY
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DIVIDED.
HE DECIDED TO CALL IT "ONE SMALL
STEP."
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
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REGULAR STORYCORPS AND ONE SMALL
STEP?
>> Isay: SO, EVERY REGULAR
STORYCORPS INTERVIEW ARE PEOPLE
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WHO KNOW AND LOVE EACH OTHER.
AND EVERY ONE SMALL STEP
INTERVIEW ARE STRANGERS.
AND IN THE CASE OF ONE SMALL
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STEP, IT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE ACROSS
THE POLITICAL DIVIDE.
>> Facilitator: SO, AFTER YOU
READ EACH OTHER'S BIOS, I'M
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GOING TO ASK, WHY DID YOU WANT
TO DO THE INTERVIEW TODAY?
>> Isay: SO, WE MATCH STRANGERS
WHO DISAGREE POLITICALLY, TO PUT
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THEM FACE-TO-FACE FOR 50
MINUTES.
IT'S NOT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS;
IT'S JUST TO TALK ABOUT YOUR
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LIVES.
>> O'Donnell: FACILITATORS BEGIN
BY ASKING THE PARTICIPANTS TO
READ ONE ANOTHER'S BIOGRAPHY OUT
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LOUD, AS IN THIS RECENT SESSION
IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA.
THE PROJECT TRIES TO MATCH
PEOPLE WHO MAY BE FROM DIFFERENT
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POLITICAL PARTIES, BUT HAVE
SOMETHING ELSE IN COMMON.
>> Brenda Brown-Grooms: "HI.
I GREW UP AS AN ARMY BRAT AND--
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AND EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN,
SURROUNDED BY A VERY POWERFUL
IDEOLOGY OF CONSERVATISM,
PATRIOTISM, AND RELIGION."
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>> Nicole Unice: "I AM A BAPTIST
PASTOR AND PERFORMANCE ARTIST, A
NATIVE CHARLOTTESVILLIAN,
GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF
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VIRGINIA, AND UNION THEOLOGICAL
SEMINARY IN NEW YORK CITY."
>> O'Donnell: PARTICIPANTS ARE
ENCOURAGED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THEY
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SHARE.
>> Brown-Grooms: WE'RE PASTORS,
AND WE'RE-- WE-- WE'RE HELPING
PEOPLE TO FIND THEIR PATH AND
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FIND THEIR VOICE.
>> Unice: OH, BRENDA, I LOVE
WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT HELPING
PEOPLE FIND THEIR PATH, BECAUSE
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I FEEL SUCH A CONNECTION THERE.
>> O'Donnell: THE FORMAT IS
DERIVED FROM A PSYCHOLOGICAL
CONCEPT DEVELOPED IN THE 1950s
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CALLED CONTACT THEORY.
>> Isay: WHICH SAYS THAT WHEN
YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE
ENEMIES, AND YOU PUT THEM FACE-
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TO-FACE UNDER VERY, VERY
SPECIFIC CONDITIONS-- AND THEY
HAVE A CONVERSATION AND A KIND
OF VISCERAL, EMOTIONAL
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EXPERIENCE WITH EACH OTHER, THAT
HATE CAN MELT AWAY.
AND PEOPLE CAN SEE EACH OTHER IN
A NEW WAY.
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>> Unice: I'M HERE BECAUSE I
THOUGHT, "I WANT TO BE A PART OF
A BETTER WORLD FOR OUR CHILDREN
AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN."
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>> Brown-Grooms: YEAH.
YEAH.
I CAN'T SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD,
BUT I CAN DO MY PART WHERE I AM.
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AND, DAGNABBIT, I'M GOING TO.
( LAUGHS )
>> O'Donnell: ONE SMALL STEP
JUST CROSSED THE NOT-SO-SMALL
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MILESTONE OF COMPLETING 1,000
SESSIONS, AND THERE ARE OVER
6,000 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING
LIST.
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>> Isay: SO, I'M JUST GOING TO
GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN ON
WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH ONE
SMALL STEP SINCE WE LAST SPOKE.
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>> O'Donnell: ONCE A MONTH, DAVE
ISAY MEETS WITH WHAT HE CALLS
ONE SMALL STEP'S BRAIN-TRUST.
IT INCLUDES SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY
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PROFESSORS FROM YALE AND
COLUMBIA, FORMER POLITICAL
ADVISERS FROM BOTH THE RIGHT AND
THE LEFT...
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>> Member: I LIKE HOW YOU CAN'T
TELL WHO'S A DEMOCRAT AND WHO'S
A REPUBLICAN.
>> O'Donnell: ...AND POLLSTERS
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WHO'VE FOUND DATA TO SUPPORT THE
IDEA THAT THERE IS AN "EXHAUSTED
MAJORITY" IN AMERICA.
>> Isay: THEY'RE TIRED, THEY'RE
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SCARED, THEY'RE SICK OF THE
DIVISION, AND THEY WANT TO
FIGURE OUT A WAY OUT.
AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT--
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WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM A WAY
OUT.
>> O'Donnell: DAVE ISAY MAKES IT
A POINT TO VENTURE OUTSIDE OF
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STORYCORPS' HOME TURF ON NPR TO
INCREASE THE PROJECT'S REACH.
>> Tucker Carlson: I HAVE NO
IDEA WHAT YOUR POLITICS ARE,
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WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I
LIKE YOU SO MUCH, BECAUSE I
DON'T THINK YOU ARE PRIMARILY
POLITICAL.
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YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN
BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER.
>> O'Donnell: YOU ACTIVELY SEEK
OUT MEDIA OUTLETS THAT APPEAL TO
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CONSERVATIVES?
>> Isay: YES.
>> O'Donnell: LIKE TUCKER
CARLSON, GLENN BECK.
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>> Isay: YEAH.
YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT MAKES ONE
SMALL STEP SPECIAL IS THAT ALL
OF US BELIEVE IN EVERY CELL OF
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OUR BODY THAT THERE IS A FLAME
OF GOOD IN YOU, WHETHER YOU'RE
LIBERAL OR WHETHER YOU'RE
CONSERVATIVE.
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AND OUR JOB IS TO FAN THAT FLAME
UNTIL IT BECOMES A ROARING FIRE.
>> Reynolds: I TAKE MY HAT OFF
TO DAVE.
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I THINK-- I THINK, ONCE MORE,
HE'S PROVING THAT, LIKE, HE--
HE-- HE'S WILLING TO WALK THE
WALK.
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>> O'Donnell: WHEN YOU HEARD
ABOUT THE ONE SMALL STEP
INITIATIVE, WHAT DID YOU THINK?
>> Reynolds: IT IS VERY, VERY
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DIFFICULT FOR US TO HATE ONE
ANOTHER WHEN I'M LOOKING YOU IN
THE FACE, AND WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT WHAT WE LIKE TO S-- COOK
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OUR CHILDREN FOR DINNER.
AND TALKING ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT
IT IS TO GET OUR BABIES INTO
COLLEGE.
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IT ISN'T AN EASY FIX, IT ISN'T
SOME KIND OF HOCUS POCUS, OR YOU
KNOW, KUMBAYA, OR IT'S ALL FINE.
IT ISN'T ANY OF THAT.
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HE KNOWS THAT.
BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO
SOMETHING.
>> Isay: OUR DREAM WITH ONE
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SMALL STEP IS THAT WE CONVINCE
THE COUNTRY THAT IT'S OUR
PATRIOTIC DUTY TO SEE THE
HUMANITY IN PEOPLE WITH WHOM WE
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DISAGREE.
>> O'Donnell: IT'S GOING TO TAKE
A LOT OF STORIES TO BRING THIS
COUNTRY TOGETHER.
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>> Isay: WE'RE BANKING ON A BIT
OF A MIRACLE HERE.
YOU JUST DON'T GIVE UP.
( TICKING )
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>> THE STORYCORPS SESSION JASON
REYNOLDS NEVER FORGOT:
>> Reynolds: WHAT A GIFT TO BE
ALLOWED TO WATCH SUCH AN
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INCREDIBLE THING HAPPEN.
>> AT 60minutesovertime.com.
SPONSORED BY COLOGUARD.
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>> Jon Wertheim: THE N.F.L.
PLAYOFFS START NEXT WEEKEND, AND
HERE'S ONE SAFE BET: AT LEAST A
FEW GAMES WILL COME DOWN TO
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FOOTBALL'S GREAT SECRET, HIDING
IN PLAIN SIGHT.
WE SPEAK OF KICKERS, WHO SCORE
ABOUT A THIRD OF THE POINTS IN
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THE N.F.L., BUT ONLY GET A SMALL
FRACTION OF THE RESPECT.
IT WAS BUDDY RYAN, THE HARD-
BOILED COACH, WHO ONCE GROWLED:
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"KICKERS ARE LIKE TAXI-CABS.
YOU CAN ALWAYS GO OUT AND HIRE
ANOTHER ONE."
SURE ENOUGH, THIS SEASON, ALMOST
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HALF THE N.F.L. TEAMS HAVE
REPLACED THEIR KICKERS, AT LEAST
ONCE.
BUT THEN, ONTO THE FIELD JOGS
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JUSTIN TUCKER OF THE BALTIMORE
RAVENS, WHO CLEAVES THE UPRIGHTS
WITH A MIX OF POWER AND
PRECISION.
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THE RAVENS HAD A ROUGH SEASON,
BUT TUCKER IS ON A TRAJECTORY,
END-OVER-END, TO GO DOWN AS
PERHAPS THE GREATEST N.F.L.
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KICKER, THERE EVER WAS-- IN
TURN, ELEVATING THE ENTIRE
POSITION.
>> Announcer: THIS IS THE GUY
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YOU WANT, GREG!
>> Wertheim: IF THERE WERE ONE
SIGNATURE MOMENT FROM THE N.F.L.
THIS SEASON, IT MIGHT BE THIS.
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( CROWD NOISE )
DETROIT LIONS, 17; BALTIMORE
RAVENS, 16.
THREE SECONDS LEFT.
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JUSTIN TUCKER, THE RAVENS' 32-
YEAR-OLD KICKER, LINES UP BEYOND
MIDFIELD, BEYOND THE TAIL OF THE
LIONS' LOGO...
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>> Announcer: THIS IS FOR AN
N.F.L. RECORD, 66 YARDS.
>> Wertheim: ...AND, ACTION.
>> Announcer: ON ITS WAY!
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>> Justin Tucker: I FELT THE
THUD OF THE BALL, I KNEW IT WAS
GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE.
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL
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I SAW THE BALL HIT THE CROSSBAR.
>> Announcer: IT BOUNCES OFF THE
CROSSBAR, AND IT'S GOOD!
HA-HA-HA-- OH MY GOODNESS!
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OH MY GOODNESS!
>> Tucker: I THINK THAT'S WHEN
WE ALL KNEW THAT WE HAD JUST
BEEN A PART OF AN HISTORIC
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MOMENT.
>> Wertheim: NOTE THE REACTION
OF HIS COACH, JOHN HARBAUGH.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE )
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TUCKER'S TEAMMATES WERE EQUALLY
GIDDY.
>> Teammate: AHH!
LET'S GO!
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>> Wertheim: WHAT MADE IT
REMARKABLE?
FOR ONE, THE SHEER DISTANCE.
BY A MATTER OF INCHES, THE 66-
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YARDER SET A NEW N.F.L.
RECORD FOR LONGEST FIELD GOAL
EVER.
BUT ALSO, SINCE WHEN HAVE YOU
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HEARD THIS KIND OF SWOONING OVER
A KICKER?
>> Harbaugh: WE'LL BE TALKING
ABOUT THIS FOREVER!
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SO PROUD OF YOU, MAN.
HE'S THE BEST EVER.
HE'S THE BEST.
>> Wertheim: BEST EVER?
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>> Harbaugh: BEST THAT'S EVER
DONE IT.
( LOCKER ROOM )
>> Wertheim: JOHN HARBAUGH SAYS
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IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE OF
TUCKER'S RECORD-BREAKER IN
DETROIT.
WHAT IS HIS SECRET KICKING
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SAUCE?
>> Harbaugh: YOU KNOW, HE'S A
VERY TALENTED GUY; LEG STRENGTH,
ACCURACY.
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ALL THE NUMBERS ARE THERE.
BUT TO ME, THE BIGGEST THING IS
JUST THE WAY HE APPROACHES IT.
I MEAN, HIS DEMEANOR, PERSONA,
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IN THE BIGGEST MOMENTS, THE
BIGGEST KICKS, UNDER THE MOST
PRESSURE, THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM
THE BEST EVER.
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>> Wertheim: YOU SOUND FIRED UP
WHEN YOU SAY THAT.
>> Harbaugh: WELL, I'M FIRED UP
THAT HE'S OUR KICKER.
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( LAUGHS )
MAKES US A BETTER FOOTBALL TEAM.
>> Wertheim: TUCKER WEIGHS ONLY
180 POUNDS, BUT HE'S OFTEN
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RESCUED THE RAVENS.
>> Announcer: JUSTIN TUCKER!
>> Wertheim: GOING INTO THIS
WEEKEND, TUCKER HAD MADE 57
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STRAIGHT FIELD GOALS IN THE
FOURTH QUARTER OR OVERTIME.
HE WASN'T DRAFTED.
HE'S SCORED MORE THAN A THIRD OF
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THE RAVENS' POINTS SINCE HE'S
GOTTEN HERE.
>> Harbaugh: RIGHT.
>> Wertheim: IS HE WORTH A
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FIRST-ROUND PICK TODAY?
>> Harbaugh: HE IS.
ABSOLUTELY.
HE WOULD BE.
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>> Wertheim: HERE'S THE REAL
KICKER, AS IT WERE: ACROSS THE
N.F.L., MORE FIELD GOALS ARE
BEING MADE FROM LONGER
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DISTANCES, WITH GREATER ACCURACY
THAN EVER.
BUT THEN THERE ARE WACKY SUNDAYS
LIKE THE ONE IN OCTOBER...
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>> Announcer: IT'S NO GOOD!
McPHERSON'S KICK.
>> Wertheim: ...WHEN NORMALLY
RELIABLE KICKERS FOR THE PACKERS
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AND BENGALS...
>> Announcer: NO GOOD!
CROSBY FROM 40-- IT IS NO GOOD!
>> Wertheim: ...COMBINED TO MISS
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FIVE FIELD GOALS IN THE LAST TEN
MINUTES.
>> Announcer: WHAT IS GOING ON?
>> Wertheim: AND THE EXTRA
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POINT, ONCE ALMOST AUTOMATIC,
HAS BECOME MORE OF AN ADVENTURE
SINCE THE N.F.L. EXTENDED THE
DISTANCE IN 2015.
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>> Announcer: UGH!
>> Wertheim: ALL THOSE GAMES
HINGING ON THE SMALLEST GUYS ON
THE FIELD, SPLITTING OR MISSING
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THOSE TWO UPRIGHTS?
THE OUTCOME WILL DEPEND AS MUCH
ON THE MIND AS ON THE FOOT.
EVEN FOR JUSTIN TUCKER, NERVES
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COME INTO PLAY.
>> Tucker: IF YOU'RE NOT FEELING
JUST, LIKE, A LITTLE SOMETHING,
LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU EVEN
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REALLY LIVING?
YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE
CHALLENGE OF PLAYING THIS
POSITION AT THIS LEVEL, IS
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THINKING ABOUT ALL THAT,
PROCESSING IT,
COMPARTMENTALIZING IT, PUTTING
IT AWAY, AND THEN STILL GOING
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OUT THERE AND DOING YOUR JOB.
>> Announcer: CALAIS CAMPBELL!
>> Wertheim: TUCKER'S TEAMMATE,
SIX-FOOT EIGHT DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
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CALAIS CAMPBELL, WHOSE JOB
INCLUDES BLOCKING KICKS, SAYS HE
CAN DETECT FEAR IN KICKERS WHEN
THE GAME'S ON THE LINE.
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>> Calais Campbell: YOU KNOW, IT
CAN BE REALLY GOOD KICKERS,
UNTIL A SITUATION COMES AND THEY
JUST-- ALL THAT CONFIDENCE GOES
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AWAY.
YOU CAN SEE THE NERVOUSNESS IN
THEIR EYES.
AND VERY FEW KICKERS HAVE THE
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ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE
THAT-- THAT KIND OF PRESSURE.
>> Wertheim: YOU SEE THAT, ON
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LINE?
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>> Campbell: OH, YEAH, ALL THE
TIME.
>> Wertheim: N.F.L. KICKING
TITAN MORTEN ANDERSEN MADE 583
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FIELD GOALS OVER A 25-YEAR
CAREER.
ANDERSEN SAYS KICKERS HAVE
NOWHERE TO HIDE.
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>> Morten Andersen: WE'RE VERY
EXPOSED.
OUR PERFORMANCE FEEDBACK IS
IMMEDIATE.
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IT'S EITHER GOOD OR BAD.
>> Wertheim: HOW MUCH OF THIS IS
MENTAL?
>> Andersen: I WOULD SAY 90% OF
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IT IS MENTAL, AND THE LAST 10%
IS MENTAL.
( LAUGHS )
>> Wertheim: IT'S LIKE YOGI
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BERRA DOES KICKING.
( LAUGHS )
YOU HAD A KICK TO GO TO THE
SUPER BOWL.
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>> Andersen: YEAH.
>> Wertheim: DID YOU FEEL FEAR
WHEN YOU WALKED OUT?
>> Andersen: NO.
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BECAUSE I HAD, IN MY MENTAL
REHEARSALS, THE NIGHT BEFORE, IN
THE HOTEL, I-- I WOULD DO THREE
OR FOUR SCENARIOS.
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I WOULD REHEARSE THEM IN SLOW
MOTION AND REAL TIME.
SO, I REMEMBER STANDING ON THE
SIDELINE, AND ALL MY TEAMMATES
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WERE ON THEIR KNEES.
THEY WERE HOLDING HANDS.
AND I THOUGHT TO MY-- I REMEMBER
THINKING TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW,
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"THEY'RE NOT DRIVING THE CAR.
I'M DRIVING THE CAR."
>> Wertheim: WHEN ANDERSEN DROVE
THE ATLANTA FALCONS INTO THE
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SUPER BOWL IN 1999, HE WAS SO
SURE HE'D NAILED HIS KICK, HE
DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO WATCH.
ANDERSEN IS THE SECOND-LEADING
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SCORER IN N.F.L. HISTORY--
BEHIND ANOTHER KICKER, FOUR-TIME
SUPER BOWL WINNER ADAM
VINATIERI-- AND YET...
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YOU'RE ONE OF ONLY TWO PURE
KICKERS IN THE FOOTBALL HALL OF
FAME.
HOW CAN THAT BE?
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>> Andersen: IT'S A GREAT
INJUSTICE!
ONE OF THE GREATEST INJUSTICES
IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.
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I'M KIDDING!
A LITTLE BIT.
>> Wertheim: YOU GUYS ARE
SCORING A THIRD OF THE POINTS,
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THOUGH.
HOW CAN THERE BE ONLY TWO OF
YOU?
>> Andersen: CORRECT, AND-- AND
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IF, IF THE POINT OF THE GAME IS
TO SCORE MORE POINTS THAN THE
OTHER TEAM, WHO'S MORE IMPORTANT
THAN THE LEADING SCORER ON THE
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FOOTBALL TEAM?
>> Wertheim: KICKERS HAVE LONG
BEEN SEEN AS SOMETHING, WELL,
FOREIGN.
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LITERALLY.
GUYS BORN IN EUROPE WITH NAMES
LIKE GOGOLAK AND STENERUD.
MAYBE IT WAS THE BAREFOOT
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KICKERS IN THE SNOW, OR GARO
YEPREMIAN'S LONE PASS OF HIS
CAREER-- IN THE SUPER BOWL NO
LESS-- THAT HELPED CREATE A
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PERCEPTION: KICKERS AREN'T REAL
FOOTBALL PLAYERS.
AND THEN, THERE IS ANOTHER FALSE
PERCEPTION: THAT KICKING A
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FOOTBALL AIN'T ALL THAT
DIFFICULT.
YOU EVER HAVE TEAMMATES SAY,
"KICKING A BALL THROUGH
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UPRIGHTS, HOW HARD CAN THAT BE?"
>> Andersen: SO, EVERY SATURDAY
MORNING, WE HAD A WALK THROUGH.
AND ALL THE GUYS WANTED TO KICK
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FIELD GOALS.
AND I'M LIKE, "DON'T DO IT,
GUYS, THIS IS NOT MUSCLES YOU'RE
USED TO USING."
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>> Wertheim: ANYONE ACTUALLY
MAKE THE FIELD GOAL, WHEN THEY
WEREN'T BLOWING OUT THEIR KNEES?
>> Andersen: IT WASN'T A PRETTY
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SIGHT.
AND I WAS JUST LIKE, "YOU GUYS
ARE IDIOTS!
( LAUGHS )
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THIS IS NOT GOING TO END WELL."
>> Wertheim: THERE ARE SELDOM
BACK-UP KICKERS IN THE N.F.L.,
SO, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED THREE
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WEEKS AGO WHEN CAROLINA PANTHERS
KICKER ZANE GONZALEZ INJURED HIS
LEG IN WARM-UPS.
THE TEAM SCRAMBLED TO FIND ANY
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PLAYER WHO COULD KICK, HOLDING
FIELD AUDITIONS ON THE SPOT.
NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE PANTHERS
DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO KICK A FIELD
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GOAL OR EXTRA POINT THAT DAY.
THEN AGAIN, KICKERS ARE A
SPECIAL BREED.
>> Tucker: ♪ AVE MARIA ♪
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>> Wertheim: HOW MANY
LINEBACKERS DARE SING OPERA AS A
HOBBY?
JUSTIN TUCKER WAS HAPPY TO BELT
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OUT "AVE MARIA" AT A BALTIMORE
CHRISTMAS CONCERT A FEW YEARS
AGO.
>> Tucker: ♪ AVE MARIA ♪
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♪ ♪ ♪
>> Wertheim: WE HEARD HE'S SHY
ABOUT HIS SINGING.
>> Campbell: ( LAUGHS )
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YEAH.
YEAH, VERY SHY.
I MEAN, HE'S THE LIFE OF THE
PARTY IN THE LOCKER ROOM EVERY
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DAY.
>> Wertheim: EVERY DAY, YOU
SAID?
>> Campbell: OH, EVERY DAY.
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>> Wertheim: KICKERS AVOID
FOOTBALL'S VIOLENCE.
THEY EVEN PRACTICE ON THEIR OWN
FIELD-- SOMETIMES, NOT AT ALL.
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WE HAD AN N.F.L. KICKER TELL US,
"ALL THE PLAYERS WANT TO BE US
DURING PRACTICE, AND NONE OF THE
TEAMMATES WANT TO BE US WITH
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THREE SECONDS LEFT IN THE GAME."
YOU'RE-- YOU'RE SMILING WHEN I--
>> Tucker: IT'S BECAUSE I'VE
HEARD THAT, TIME AND TIME AGAIN,
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FROM-- FROM MY TEAMMATES, OVER
THE YEARS.
>> Wertheim: YOU BUY IT?
>> Tucker: AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY
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TRUE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE AN OBVIOUSLY
LIGHTER WORKLOAD.
WE'RE NOT HITTING OR GETTING
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HIT.
OUR PRACTICES ARE MUCH LESS
STRENUOUS THAN BASICALLY EVERY
SINGLE OTHER PERSON OUT HERE,
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YOU KNOW, WEARING A FOOTBALL
UNIFORM.
>> Wertheim: CONNOR BARTH KICKED
FOR FOUR N.F.L. TEAMS OVER A
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TEN-YEAR CAREER.
>> Connor Barth: I THINK PEOPLE
WANT TO BE US DURING PRACTICE,
BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE SNEAK OFF
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FROM CAMP AND PLAY SOME GOLF
AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HIT
STARBUCKS.
I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU MAKE YOUR
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KICKS, NO ONE EVER IS GOING TO
WORRY ABOUT YOU.
>> Wertheim: I THINK I MISHEARD
YOU.
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YOU-- YOU DIDN'T REALLY SAY THAT
KICKERS SNEAK OFF DURING
PRACTICE, TO GO PLAY GOLF AND GO
TO STARBUCKS?
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>> Barth: I MEAN, YOU COULD ONLY
WATCH SO MUCH FILM KICKING,
RIGHT?
YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAYBOOK WITH
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500 PAGES IN IT.
SO, YOU GOT SOME DOWNTIME DURING
THE DAY.
>> Wertheim: BUT IT'S NOT ALL
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PAR THREES AND PUMPKIN SPICE
LATTE.
THERE IS A REAL PRECISION TO
KICKING A FIELD GOAL-- AN
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EFFICIENT THREE-MAN ASSEMBLY
LINE WITH THE SNAPPER AND
HOLDER.
HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FROM THE
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SNAP UNTIL YOU'RE BOOTING THAT
BALL?
>> Tucker: TYPICALLY, 1.3
SECONDS, GIVE OR TAKE SEVERAL
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HUNDREDTHS.
>> Wertheim: 1.3 SECONDS?
THAT'S IT?
>> Tucker: 1.3 SECONDS.
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>> Wertheim: IF IT'S 1.4, WHAT
HAPPENS?
>> Tucker: IF IT'S 1.4, YOU RUN
THE RISK OF GETTING A KICK
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BLOCKED BY AN EDGE RUSH.
>> Wertheim: SO, JUST A LITTLE
BIT OF TIME, AND SOMEONE ELSE IS
PUTTING THEIR HAND UP AND
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BLOCKING THAT KICK.
>> Tucker: EXACTLY.
YOU KNOW, THAT MUSCLE MEMORY
THAT GETS DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT,
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YOU KNOW, YEARS OF PRACTICE,
THAT'S WHAT GOES INTO THOSE 1.3
SECONDS, WHEN THEY MATTER THE
MOST.
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>> Wertheim: WE WERE ALSO
SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT TUCKER
AND HIS FELLOW KICKERS ARE
STRIKING A FOOTBALL UNIQUE TO
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THEM.
>> Barth: THAT'S DEFINITELY A K-
BALL RIGHT THERE.
>> Wertheim: A K-BALL.
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THE "K" STANDING FOR KICKERS.
>> Barth: YOU CAN'T DO TOO MANY
CRAZY THINGS, BUT YOU WANT TO
TRY TO LIKE, MASH THE BACK OF
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THIS BALL, AND BREAK IN THESE
SEAMS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN.
>> Tucker: I CAN'T GO TOO DEEPLY
INTO THE TRADE SECRETS THAT THE
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MEASURES OUR EQUIPMENT GUYS GO
TO, TO PREP THESE FOOTBALLS FOR
GAME DAY-- LEGALLY, I SHOULD
ADD.
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BUT THERE'S A BRUSH THAT HAS
BRISTLES ON ONE SIDE, AND THAT'S
THE ONLY TOOL THAT YOU'RE
ALLOWED TO USE.
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>> Barth: SO, YOU'RE BRUSHING...
>> Wertheim: THE BRUSH SMOOTHES
THE SIDES OF THE BALL WHERE THE
KICKER'S FOOT MAKES IMPACT.
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I DON'T THINK MOST FANS REALIZE
THAT THE BALL THAT THE
QUARTERBACK'S THROWING WITH, IS
DIFFERENT FROM THAN THE ONE
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YOU'RE KICKING WITH.
>> Barth: NO, I MEAN, A K-BALL,
QUARTERBACKS DO NOT USE IT.
THE REST OF THE POSITION PLAYERS
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DO NOT USE THIS BALL.
>> Tucker: THE PURPOSE OF THIS
BALL IS TO, YOU KNOW, SEND IT TO
THE MOON WITH MY FOOT.
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SO, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO
LOOSEN UP THE LEATHER, SO WHEN
MY FOOT COMPRESSES INTO THE
BALL, IT EXPLODES THE OTHER WAY
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IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS
BALL JUST SIMPLY WOULD NOT.
>> Wertheim: YOU TALK ABOUT A
SWEET SPOT?
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>> Tucker: I TRY TO PICK OUT THE
DIMPLES ON THE BALL THAT I'M
GOING TO MATCH UP MY FOOT TO.
>> Wertheim: REALLY?
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THE SPECIFIC DIMPLES?
>> Tucker: I-- I TRY TO.
>> Wertheim: WOW.
OH, GEEZ.
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>> Tucker: IT'S A LITTLE EASIER
SAID THAN DONE.
SO, MAYBE AN INCH UNDER THE
CENTER OF THE BALL.
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THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO MATCH
THAT BONE COMING OFF OF MY BIG
TOE ON THE TOP OF MY FOOT.
I'M TRYING TO MATCH IT UP TO
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ABOUT RIGHT HERE.
>> Wertheim: WOW.
TELL ME ABOUT YOUR FOOTWEAR,
HERE.
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CONNOR BARTH LET US IN ON MORE
TRIBAL SECRETS.
>> Barth: I TAKE, LIKE, A
MACHINE AND GRIND IT DOWN SO
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THAT MY FRONT CLEATS ARE
COMPLETELY FLAT.
THAT WAY, WHEN I SWING THROUGH
THE BALL, IT KIND OF GLIDES
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THROUGH LIKE-- ALMOST LIKE A
GOLF CLUB.
>> Wertheim: THIS PLANTS AND
THIS SLIDES.
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>> Barth: THIS ONE SLIDES
THROUGH.
THIS ONE IS YOUR PLANT SHOE--
THAT KIND OF JUST CATCHES
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EVERYTHING, SO THAT YOU STOP AND
YOU KICK.
>> Wertheim: IT'S LIKE TWO
DIFFERENT GARDEN TOOLS.
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>> Barth: YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY
COOL, IT'S--
>> Wertheim: BARTH'S SHOES ARE
NOT JUST MISMATCHED-- THEY'RE
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NOT EVEN THE SAME SIZE.
>> Barth: I WEAR A SIZE 12.
THIS IS A 10.5.
>> Wertheim: THAT'S A SIZE AND A
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HALF SMALLER THAN WHAT--
>> Barth: MY KICKING SHOE NEEDS
TO BE SO MUCH TIGHTER THAN MY
REGULAR.
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SO, IT'S PRETTY COOL, BUT I
THINK MY FOOT'S GOTTEN SMALLER
OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE I'VE
BEEN JAMMING MY FOOT INTO A--
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ALMOST TWO TIMES SMALLER SHOE.
( BALL IMPACT )
>> Wertheim: WE MET BARTH ON HIS
OLD HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL FIELD
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IN WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA.
HE WAS WARMING UP BY KICKING 40-
YARD FIELD GOALS WITH NO STEP.
TRY THAT SOMETIME.
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HE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE
KICKER'S VULNERABILITY.
BARTH MADE 83% OF HIS N.F.L.
FIELD GOALS, BUT KICKING FOR THE
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CHICAGO BEARS IN NOVEMBER 2017,
BARTH ATTEMPTED A GAME-TYING
FIELD GOAL AT SOLDIER FIELD WITH
EIGHT SECONDS LEFT--
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>> Announcer: NOT EVEN CLOSE!
WOW, HOLY MOSES.
>> Wertheim: HE WALKED OFF THE
FIELD DEJECTED.
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THE BEARS FIRED HIM THE NEXT
DAY, AND HIS CAREER WAS OVER.
DID YOU THINK YOUR CAREER WAS IN
JEOPARDY WITH ONE KICK?
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>> Barth: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ENDED MY
CAREER ON A LITTLE BETTER NOTE,
SO...
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I'VE NEVER SEEN MORE MIDDLE
FINGERS IN THE CROWD ON THE WAY
OUT OF THE-- ( LAUGHS )
OF THE ST-- HEY, CHICAGO
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BEARS... HEY, CHICAGO FANS ARE
THE BEST FANS!
( LAUGHS )
>> Wertheim: NOW, AT AGE 35,
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HE'S THINKING OF MAKING A
COMEBACK.
GIVEN THE CHURN AMONG N.F.L.
KICKERS, WHY NOT?
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>> Barth: YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN
SOME INCONSISTENCIES THIS YEAR
WITH KICKERS.
WE'LL GO WATCH SOME GAMES AND
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I'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE
MISSES.
AND ALL MY, ALL MY BUDDIES ARE
TEXTING, "YOU GOT TO GO BACK."
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AND...
>> Wertheim: YOU'RE WATCHING
FOOTBALL ON SUNDAYS AND
THINKING...
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>> Barth: YEAH, I COULD MAKE
SOME MORE FIELD GOALS, YEAH.
>> Wertheim: WITH OUR GAME CLOCK
DOWN TO ITS FINAL TICKING, WE
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FIGURED IT WAS ONLY FITTING WE
SUMMON JUSTIN TUCKER TO TAKE US
OUT.
>> Tucker: I'LL ASK YOU A
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QUESTION.
LIKE, HOW AMAZING IS THAT, YOU
KNOW, WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING
ABOUT KICKING FOOTBALLS?
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I'M HAVING THE LOVELIEST TIME
RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S-- IT'S
JUST A WILD RIDE.
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>> Wertheim: THROUGH THE
UPRIGHTS, MAN.
>> Tucker: IT'S LIKE THAT-- LIKE
THAT OLD COUNTRY SONG, "DROP
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KICK ME, JESUS, THROUGH THE
GOALPOSTS OF LIFE."
( LAUGHS )
AND HERE WE ARE, JUST LIVING
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LIFE, MAN.
>> Wertheim: IN THE MAIL THIS
WEEK-- VIEWERS' COMMENTS ON LAST
SUNDAY'S ONE-HOUR EDITION OF OUR
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STORY ABOUT THE "RITCHIE BOYS."
THE TALE OF THEIR SECRET WORLD
WAR II INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS
ELICITED NEAR- UNANIMOUS
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RESPONSES, AT A TIME WHEN THE
NATION IS OTHERWISE SO DEEPLY
DIVIDED.
"THIS WAS MOVING, AND SO NEEDED
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NOW.
THEIR MASSIVE CONTRIBUTIONS AND
REMARKABLE STORIES ARE
INSPIRING."
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00:42:38,956 --> 00:42:46,363
"THE MEN YOU INTERVIEWED WERE
FASCINATING, INTELLIGENT, AND
BRAVE, AND ARE TO BE ADMIRED."
AND THEN THERE WAS THIS ABOUT
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THE RITCHIE BOYS-- MANY OF WHOM
WERE JEWISH REFUGEES WHO HAD
ESCAPED FROM NAZI GERMANY.
"IT WAS SO WONDERFUL TO HEAR HOW
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THEY HAD THE LAST WORD AGAINST
HITLER AND THE HORRENDOUS
NAZIS."
I'M JON WERTHEIM.
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WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH
ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES."
( TICKING )
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