1 00:00:01,067 --> 00:00:15,815 We go further, so you can. >> AT THE NATIONWIDE LEVEL, THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS QUITTING THEIR JOB IS HIGHER THAN EVER. 2 00:00:15,882 --> 00:00:24,190 >> DO THE DATA TELL YOU WHY? >> WE CAN SEE WHAT SECTORS PEOPLE ARE QUITTING-- RETAIL SECTORS AND HOSPITALITY SECTORS. 3 00:00:24,257 --> 00:00:29,229 IT MAY NOT JUST BE WORTH IT FOR SOME FOLKS. AND SO, S-- IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE ARE QUITTING, AND THEY'RE 4 00:00:29,295 --> 00:00:34,267 NOT YET RETURNING. THEY'RE TAKING A BREAK. AMERICANS ARE BURNT OUT. >> SO, WHAT IS THE U.S. 5 00:00:34,334 --> 00:00:41,007 WORKFORCE LIKELY TO LOOK LIKE IN THE NEAR FUTURE? THAT'S OUR STORY, TONIGHT. ( TICKING ) 6 00:00:41,074 --> 00:00:49,015 >> I'M HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT, "I WANT TO BE A PART OF A BETTER WORLD FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN." 7 00:00:49,082 --> 00:00:53,052 >> YEAH. I CAN'T SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD, BUT I CAN DO MY PART. >> WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU PUT 8 00:00:53,119 --> 00:01:00,293 AMERICANS FROM OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM ACROSS FROM ONE ANOTHER, AND ASKED THEM TO TALK? 9 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,999 HAVE A LOOK AT SOMETHING CALLED "ONE SMALL STEP." >> PEOPLE FEEL MISUNDERSTOOD AND JUDGED. 10 00:01:06,065 --> 00:01:13,072 YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY, NOBODY'S EVER CHANGED THEIR MIND BECAUSE-- BY BEING CALLED AN 11 00:01:13,139 --> 00:01:20,380 IDIOT OR A MORON OR A SNOWFLAKE. ( TICKING ) >> IF IT'S NOT THE LEAST GLAMOROUS JOB IN THE N.F.L., IT 12 00:01:20,447 --> 00:01:27,153 MAY BE THE MOST STRESSFUL. WE SPEAK OF THE KICKER. THEY ARE NOT THE BIGGEST OR BEST ATHLETES ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD, 13 00:01:27,220 --> 00:01:33,059 BUT THEY SCORE ABOUT A THIRD OF ALL POINTS. SO, WITH THE N.F.L. PLAYOFFS ON OUR DOORSTEP, WE THOUGHT IT 14 00:01:33,126 --> 00:01:38,097 WOULD BE INTERESTING TO GET INSIDE THE QUIRKY MINDS OF THE GUYS WHO BOOT THE BALL-- END OVER END, WITH TIME RUNNING OUT- 15 00:01:38,164 --> 00:01:44,037 - UP AND OVER THE BAR. >> IF YOU'RE NOT FEELING JUST, LIKE, A LITTLE SOMETHING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU EVEN REALLY 16 00:01:44,103 --> 00:01:47,106 LIVING? ( TICKING ) 17 00:01:48,141 --> 00:01:51,878 >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. 18 00:01:51,945 --> 00:01:57,050 >> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE, TONIGHT, ON "60 MINUTES." 19 00:01:57,116 --> 00:02:09,963 ( TICKING ) >> Lesley Stahl: WE'VE ALL SEEN SIGNS IN FRONT OF SHOPS, RESTAURANTS, AND FACTORIES: 20 00:02:10,029 --> 00:02:19,772 "WE'RE HIRING!" "HELP WANTED!" AND NOW, THE OMICRON VARIANT IS TAKING A TOLL ON THE ALREADY- DEPLETED WORKFORCE. 21 00:02:19,839 --> 00:02:28,681 WE'VE WONDERED HOW THERE CAN BE SO MANY OPEN JOBS WHEN NEARLY EVERY EMPLOYER SEEMS TO BE OFFERING BETTER PAY, BENEFITS, 22 00:02:28,748 --> 00:02:37,857 AND EVEN SIGNING BONUSES. THE GOVERNMENT'S JOBS REPORT, RELEASED THIS PAST WEEK, TELLS US WHAT HAS HAPPENED: WELL OVER 23 00:02:37,924 --> 00:02:45,865 20 MILLION PEOPLE QUIT THEIR JOBS IN THE SECOND HALF OF 2021. SOME ARE CALLING IT THE "BIG QUIT," OTHERS, THE "GREAT 24 00:02:45,932 --> 00:02:53,540 RESIGNATION." BUT, WHO CAN EXPLAIN WHY THIS IS HAPPENING? BILL WHITAKER REPORTS. 25 00:02:53,606 --> 00:03:01,915 HE FOUND THE BEST PLACE TO LOOK FOR REAL-TIME ANSWERS IS THE HUGE ONLINE JOB SITE LINKEDIN, WHICH CALLS ITSELF THE WORLD'S 26 00:03:01,981 --> 00:03:12,859 LARGEST PROFESSIONAL NETWORK. >> Karin Kimbrough: PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIVING TO WORK FOR A VERY LONG TIME, AND I THINK THE 27 00:03:12,926 --> 00:03:17,931 PANDEMIC BROUGHT THAT MOMENT OF REFLECTION FOR EVERYONE. "WHAT DO I WANT TO DO? WHAT MAKES MY HEART SING?" 28 00:03:17,997 --> 00:03:25,772 AND PEOPLE ARE THINKING, "IF NOT NOW, THEN WHEN?" >> Whitaker: KARIN KIMBROUGH IS LINKEDIN'S CHIEF ECONOMIST. 29 00:03:25,838 --> 00:03:32,245 SHE HAS DEGREES FROM STANFORD AND HARVARD AND A Ph.D. FROM OXFORD, USED TO WORK FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE, AND NOW HAS A 30 00:03:32,312 --> 00:03:40,019 BIRDS-EYE VIEW OF THE U.S. LABOR MARKET. >> Kimbrough: WE HAVE THIS UNIQUE VIEW OF THE DATA. 31 00:03:40,086 --> 00:03:47,393 WE CAN SEE ACROSS MILLIONS OF MEMBERS AND WHAT THEY SHARE WITH US, AND WE CAN SEE FROM EMPLOYERS, MILLIONS OF THEM THAT 32 00:03:47,460 --> 00:03:52,765 ARE POSTING JOBS ON OUR PLATFORM. THERE IS ONE PERSON HIRED EVERY 15 SECONDS RIGHT NOW ON 33 00:03:52,832 --> 00:04:01,007 LINKEDIN. >> Whitaker: BUT LINKEDIN'S DATA ON WHO IS LEAVING JOBS IS MOST COMPELLING: MILLIONS OF BABY 34 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:08,881 BOOMERS RETIRING EARLY, BUT ALSO MILLIONS OF "GEN Z" WORKERS-- PEOPLE IN THEIR TEENS AND EARLY 20s. 35 00:04:08,948 --> 00:04:15,788 MANY MORE WOMEN THAN MEN. IN ALL, THE HIGHEST "QUIT RATE" SINCE THE GOVERNMENT STARTED KEEPING TRACK, TWO DECADES AGO. 36 00:04:15,855 --> 00:04:20,126 >> Kimbrough: AT THE NATIONWIDE LEVEL, THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS QUITTING THEIR JOB IS HIGHER THAN EVER. 37 00:04:20,193 --> 00:04:24,831 >> Whitaker: HIGHER THAN EVER? >> Kimbrough: HIGHER THAN EVER. >> Whitaker: DO THE DATA TELL YOU WHY? 38 00:04:24,897 --> 00:04:32,572 >> Kimbrough: WE CAN SEE WHAT SECTORS PEOPLE ARE QUITTING-- RETAIL SECTORS AND HOSPITALITY SECTORS. 39 00:04:32,639 --> 00:04:38,611 IT MAY NOT JUST BE WORTH IT FOR SOME FOLKS. AND SO, S-- IN SOME CASES, PEOPLE ARE QUITTING, AND THEY'RE 40 00:04:38,678 --> 00:04:42,382 NOT YET RETURNING. THEY'RE TAKING A BREAK. AMERICANS ARE BURNT OUT. I LIKE TO THINK OF IT AS-- IT'S 41 00:04:42,448 --> 00:04:45,985 A, "TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT" MEASURE. IT'S JUST A SIGN OF PEOPLE SAYING, "YOU KNOW, I DON'T NEED 42 00:04:46,052 --> 00:04:50,323 THIS." >> Whitaker: "I'M OUT." >> Kimbrough: "I'M OUT." >> Whitaker: THE MOST RECENT 43 00:04:50,390 --> 00:05:02,068 DATA SHOW PEOPLE QUITTING JOBS ACROSS THE BOARD: 4.4% OF ALL POSITIONS IN EDUCATION ARE OPEN, OVER 6% IN RETAIL, AND MORE THAN 44 00:05:02,135 --> 00:05:07,006 8% IN HEALTH CARE. OPEN JOBS IN HOTELS AND RESTAURANTS ARE NEARLY 9%. THAT'S ALMOST 1.5 MILLION VACANT 45 00:05:07,073 --> 00:05:15,815 POSITIONS. >> Carl Sobocinski: WE DO HAVE OPENINGS, AND WE DO NEED MORE EMPLOYEES. 46 00:05:15,882 --> 00:05:20,853 >> Whitaker: CARL SOBOCINSKI OWNS SEVERAL RESTAURANTS IN GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA. HE NEEDS WORKERS BOTH IN THE 47 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:28,861 KITCHEN AND OUT FRONT WAITING TABLES. WHAT'S THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE IN- - IN ATTRACTING THEM AND-- 48 00:05:28,928 --> 00:05:34,067 KEEPING THE EMPLOYEES? >> Sobocinski: IT'S A PROBLEM THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT OUT THERE. WHERE WE ARE, WE JUST DON'T HAVE 49 00:05:34,133 --> 00:05:38,271 THE WORKERS OUT THERE LOOKING FOR THE JOBS. >> Whitaker: CONSTRUCTION IS ANOTHER SECTOR WITHOUT ENOUGH 50 00:05:38,337 --> 00:05:46,879 WORKERS. AT LAST COUNT, THERE WERE NEARLY 350,000 OPEN CONSTRUCTION JOBS NATIONWIDE. 51 00:05:46,946 --> 00:05:51,050 YOU'RE FINDING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND PEOPLE RIGHT NOW-- >> James Jordon: ABSOLUTELY. >> Whitaker: --ACROSS THE BOARD? 52 00:05:51,117 --> 00:05:56,155 >> Jordon: ACROSS THE BOARD. >> Whitaker: JAMES JORDON OWNS A FAST-GROWING CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IN GREENVILLE. 53 00:05:56,222 --> 00:06:03,696 >> Jordon: WE DOUBLED OUR REVENUE YEAR OVER YEAR. WE DON'T HAVE A WORK PROBLEM AT ALL. 54 00:06:03,763 --> 00:06:09,669 NOW, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FINDING THE INDIVIDUALS TO BE ABLE TO DO-- PERFORM THE WORK. >> Whitaker: SO IT'S NOT A WORK 55 00:06:09,736 --> 00:06:14,907 PROBLEM, IT'S A WORKER PROBLEM? >> Jordon: IT'S A WORKER PROBLEM. >> Whitaker: WE CAME TO 56 00:06:14,974 --> 00:06:21,114 GREENVILLE, SOUTH CAROLINA AFTER SEEING IT ON A LINKEDIN DATA MAP SHOWING TRENDS OF GEOGRAPHIC MIGRATION. 57 00:06:21,180 --> 00:06:28,554 LOTS OF WORKERS LEAVING BIG CITIES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO AND CHICAGO, AND LOTS OF WORKERS MOVING TO PLACES LIKE AUSTIN AND 58 00:06:28,621 --> 00:06:37,330 MIAMI, AND GREENVILLE. THAT'S ANOTHER BIG SIGN OF THIS JOB MARKET. PEOPLE ARE MOVING. 59 00:06:37,396 --> 00:06:46,139 >> Kimbrough: A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE JUST OPTING, BECAUSE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING COSTS, TO CHOOSE MORE AFFORDABLE PLACES, 60 00:06:46,205 --> 00:06:57,016 SMALLER CITIES THAT GIVE YOU MORE SPACE, WILL FEEL SAFER. AND PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TRY SOMETHING NEW. 61 00:06:57,083 --> 00:07:02,188 >> Whitaker: FOR WHAT YOU'D PAY TO RENT AN APARTMENT IN SAN FRANCISCO, YOU CAN BUY A NICE HOUSE IN GREENVILLE. 62 00:07:02,255 --> 00:07:10,196 IT HAS ATTRACTED BIG EMPLOYERS LIKE BMW AND MICHELIN, BUT ALSO TRIES TO NURTURE SMALL BUSINESSES AND START-UPS. 63 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:17,003 STILL, YOU SEE ALL THE SAME "HELP WANTED" SIGNS ON GREENVILLE'S MAIN STREET AS YOU WOULD IN ANY BIG CITY. 64 00:07:17,069 --> 00:07:24,043 MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT GENEROUS GOVERNMENT STIMULUS AND UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS ARE REALLY WHAT'S KEEPING SO MANY WORKERS 65 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:30,449 ON THE SIDELINES-- NO MATTER WHERE THEY LIVE. >> Sobocinski: THE QUICK ANSWER PEOPLE SAY IS, WE'RE STILL 66 00:07:30,516 --> 00:07:37,256 PROVIDING TOO MANY BENEFITS, AND TOO MANY PEOPLE CAN SIT AT HOME AND-- AND GET A CHECK. I PERSONALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT. 67 00:07:37,323 --> 00:07:42,195 OUR ASSOCIATES THAT DIDN'T COME BACK? THEY'RE NOT SITTING AT HOME. THEY FOUND OTHER CAREERS, OTHER 68 00:07:42,261 --> 00:07:50,203 OPPORTUNITIES, THAT FIT THEIR LIFESTYLE BETTER. >> Kimbrough: WHAT WE SAW WAS THAT, WHEN THESE BENEFITS WERE 69 00:07:50,269 --> 00:07:57,577 TURNED OFF, WHEN WORKERS WERE NO LONGER GETTING THE BENEFITS, THEY DID NOT RUSH BACK TO WORK. >> Whitaker: WHAT DOES THAT TELL 70 00:07:57,643 --> 00:08:02,281 YOU? >> Kimbrough: THAT TELLS ME THAT IT'S NOT JUST A FUNCTION OF THE BENEFITS. 71 00:08:02,348 --> 00:08:10,089 THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE HEADS OF WORKERS WHEN THEY MAKE THAT CALCULUS ABOUT, "SHOULD I GO BACK, WILL I 72 00:08:10,156 --> 00:08:21,400 GO BACK, AND FOR WHAT JOB?" >> Whitaker: SO, IS ALL OF THIS PRODUCING A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN THE BALANCE OF POWER BETWEEN 73 00:08:21,467 --> 00:08:27,340 EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES? >> Kimbrough: IT'S AS IF THAT SOCIAL CONTRACT OF WORK IS BEING REWRITTEN, AND RIGHT NOW, THE 74 00:08:27,406 --> 00:08:38,251 WORKER'S HOLDING THE PEN. THERE ARE JUST THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF AVAILABLE JOBS IN AMERICA RIGHT NOW, AND COMPANIES 75 00:08:38,317 --> 00:08:48,261 ARE EAGER TO HIRE-- BUT WORKERS ARE BEING VERY CHOOSY. >> Whitaker: SO, EMPLOYEES ARE KIND OF IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT? 76 00:08:48,327 --> 00:08:53,099 >> Kimbrough: EMPLOYEES ARE IN THE DRIVER'S SEAT RIGHT NOW. >> Whitaker: WORKERS WANT BETTER PAY AND BENEFITS, OF COURSE, BUT 77 00:08:53,165 --> 00:09:02,341 THEY'RE ALSO DEMANDING AUTONOMY AND FLEXIBILITY, PARTICULARLY IN THEIR WORK SCHEDULES. AND EMPLOYERS, LARGE AND SMALL, 78 00:09:02,408 --> 00:09:08,614 SIMPLY HAVE TO RESPOND. >> Sobocinski: I THINK FLEXIBILITY'S CRITICAL. >> Whitaker: THIS IS THE 79 00:09:08,681 --> 00:09:11,717 EMPLOYEES' DEMAND. >> Sobocinski: THE EMPLOYEES, THEY WANT FLEXIBILITY. AND IF YOU'RE AN EMPLOYER THAT 80 00:09:11,784 --> 00:09:17,323 WON'T-- THAT WON'T WORK WITH YOUR EMPLOYEES, TO-- TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THEM, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO BE-- YOU'RE MISSING 81 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:22,428 OUT. I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO. >> Whitaker: SO, IS IT THE CASE THAT, GONE ARE THE DAYS WHERE AN 82 00:09:22,495 --> 00:09:29,001 EMPLOYER WOULD SAY, "YOU'RE JUST LUCKY TO HAVE THIS JOB"? >> Jordon: I-- I THINK SO. I THINK SO, AND I THINK IT'S FOR 83 00:09:29,068 --> 00:09:34,840 THE BETTER. >> Whitaker: JAMES JORDON'S CONSTRUCTION COMPANY WILL PAY AN EMPLOYEE'S TUITION IF THEY WANT 84 00:09:34,907 --> 00:09:41,180 TO CONTINUE THEIR EDUCATION... >> Jordon: PERFECT TIMING! COME ON IN. >> Whitaker: ...AND THEIR MOVING 85 00:09:41,247 --> 00:09:48,888 EXPENSES, IF THEY RELOCATE. AND, LIKE SO MANY EMPLOYERS, HE'S OFFERING SIGNING BONUSES AND FLEXIBLE HOURS TO NEW HIRES. 86 00:09:48,955 --> 00:09:56,862 I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS ONE YOUNG MAN, ONE YOUNG RECRUIT, THAT YOU CALLED EVERY DAY FOR TWO MONTHS? >> Jordon: I DID! 87 00:09:56,929 --> 00:09:58,531 ( LAUGHS ) >> Whitaker: ( LAUGHS ) YOU REALLY WANTED THIS YOUNG MAN-- 88 00:09:58,597 --> 00:10:00,866 >> Jordon: I DID. I DID. >> Whitaker: DID YOU FINALLY GET HIM? 89 00:10:00,933 --> 00:10:06,339 >> Jordon: I FINALLY GOT HIM. HE STARTED LAST WEEK, MONDAY. >> Whitaker: WHAT A STUNNING TURNAROUND FROM THE SPRING OF 90 00:10:06,405 --> 00:10:12,845 2020, WHEN THE PANDEMIC ESSENTIALLY SHUT THE ECONOMY DOWN. >> Kimbrough: WE HAD NEVER SEEN 91 00:10:12,912 --> 00:10:20,486 ANYTHING LIKE IT. WHEN YOU LOSE 22 MILLION JOBS IN JUST TWO MONTHS? AND, IT'S UNTHINKABLE. 92 00:10:20,553 --> 00:10:26,759 >> Whitaker: KIMBROUGH REMEMBERS THAT WORKING MOTHERS WERE-- AND STILL ARE-- AMONG THOSE HARDEST HIT, AS THE PANDEMIC ROBBED THEM 93 00:10:26,826 --> 00:10:32,631 OF MANY OF THEIR CHILD-CARE OPTIONS. >> Kimbrough: WHAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS ACTUALLY A REALLY GREAT 94 00:10:32,698 --> 00:10:36,235 STORY OF RESILIENCE. BECAUSE WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE WOMEN COME BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE. 95 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:40,506 WE'RE STILL MISSING A FEW MILLION WOMEN, BY THE WAY, IN THE WORKFORCE. WE'RE NOT FULLY THERE. 96 00:10:40,573 --> 00:10:45,611 >> Whitaker: STILL? >> Kimbrough: STILL MISSING A FEW MILLION WOMEN. BUT WE'RE SEEING THEM COME BACK. 97 00:10:45,678 --> 00:10:50,850 AND PREDOMINANTLY, THE WOMEN THAT WERE MISSING ARE PARENTS OF YOUNG CHILDREN. THEY WERE HIT THE HARDEST. 98 00:10:50,916 --> 00:10:55,654 >> Melissa Williams: I JUST DECIDED TO LEAVE. I HAD NOWHERE TO GO. I HAD NO HOPES FOR EMPLOYMENT. 99 00:10:55,721 --> 00:11:01,327 LUCKILY, MY HUSBAND WAS GAINFULLY EMPLOYED, AND I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT. BUT, I JUST WALKED AWAY. 100 00:11:01,394 --> 00:11:08,467 >> Whitaker: MELISSA WILLIAMS WALKED AWAY FROM A MARKETING JOB IN GREENVILLE IN EARLY 2021. WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT, SHE WAS 101 00:11:08,534 --> 00:11:13,272 BALANCING MARRIAGE, MOTHERHOOD, AND HER CAREER. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PART OF A TREND. 102 00:11:13,339 --> 00:11:15,441 >> Williams: YES. >> Whitaker: THERE'S, LIKE, A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT-- >> Williams: THE GREAT 103 00:11:15,508 --> 00:11:20,112 RESIGNATION. ( LAUGHS ) >> Whitaker: PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING AND DOING WHAT YOU DID. 104 00:11:20,179 --> 00:11:23,949 "I-- I-- I CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS. THIS ISN'T-- THIS ISN'T FUN. THIS ISN'T ME." 105 00:11:24,016 --> 00:11:27,887 >> Williams: LIKE YOU SAID, I HIT A WALL, AND I WAS DONE. >> Whitaker: WAS THAT DIFFICULT? I MEAN-- 106 00:11:27,953 --> 00:11:31,724 >> Williams: IT WAS. IT WAS VERY SCARY. BECAUSE I HAD-- I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED SINCE I WAS 17 YEARS 107 00:11:31,791 --> 00:11:38,197 OLD. I REMEMBER GOING HOME AFTER I PUT IN MY RESIGNATION AND-- AND I JUST SAT THERE ON THE COUCH 108 00:11:38,264 --> 00:11:42,334 AND I WAS LIKE, "WHAT DID I JUST DO? I JUST QUIT MY JOB. I HAVE NO JOB TO GO TO. 109 00:11:42,401 --> 00:11:46,872 WE HAVE BILLS. WE HAVE A CHILD. WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITIES." AND MY HUSBAND'S LIKE, "YOU WANT 110 00:11:46,939 --> 00:11:51,377 TO GO FOR A WALK?" IT'S LIKE, "WELL, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO!" ( LAUGHS ) 111 00:11:51,444 --> 00:11:58,384 SO WE WENT FOR A WALK. ( LAUGHS ) >> Kenzie Biggins: IT IS CHALLENGING TO GO SAY, "I'M 112 00:11:58,451 --> 00:12:05,291 GOING TO GO OUT ON MY OWN," IN GENERAL. IT REALLY DOES TAKE SOME WORK. BUT PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE CONTROL. 113 00:12:05,357 --> 00:12:14,467 >> Whitaker: KENZIE BIGGINS MOVED TO GREENVILLE IN 2017, A FEW YEARS AFTER SHE FOUNDED WORXBEE, WHICH PAIRS REMOTE 114 00:12:14,533 --> 00:12:22,475 ASSISTANTS WITH EXECUTIVES AND COMPANIES THAT NEED ADMINISTRATIVE HELP. YOU FIND EXECUTIVE ASSISTANTS 115 00:12:22,541 --> 00:12:27,746 ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, AND YOU TEAM THEM UP WITH EXECUTIVES AND COMPANIES ALSO ALL OVER THE COUNTRY? 116 00:12:27,813 --> 00:12:31,750 >> Biggins: YES. >> Whitaker: SO ONE CAN BE IN GREENVILLE, AND AN EXECUTIVE CAN BE IN CHICAGO. 117 00:12:31,817 --> 00:12:37,556 >> Biggins: YEAH. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE BEST PAIRING FOR YOU. >> Whitaker: KENZIE HAD THE IDEA 118 00:12:37,623 --> 00:12:43,095 FOR WORXBEE YEARS BEFORE THE PANDEMIC MADE SUCH ARRANGEMENTS COMMON. YOU WERE AHEAD OF THE CURVE, AND 119 00:12:43,162 --> 00:12:48,300 THEN THE CURVE CAUGHT UP. ( LAUGHS ) >> Biggins: LET ME JUST SAY THIS, I GOT A LOT OF CRAZY LOOKS 120 00:12:48,367 --> 00:12:54,440 FOR A VERY LONG TIME, YOU KNOW, WALKING INTO PLACES AND SAYING, "YOU SHOULD HAVE A VIRTUAL EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT." 121 00:12:54,507 --> 00:12:58,277 PEOPLE LOOKED AT ME LIKE I HAD FIVE HEADS. THEY WERE LIKE, "WHAT?" >> Whitaker: PANDEMIC HITS, AND 122 00:12:58,344 --> 00:13:04,683 ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU'RE A GENIUS. >> Biggins: WE WENT FROM CLOSING THREE TO FOUR PEOPLE A MONTH, TO 123 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:11,056 CLOSING TEN TO 18 PEOPLE PER MONTH, WHICH IS QUITE THE JUMP! ( LAUGHS ) IN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE PAIRED, 124 00:13:11,123 --> 00:13:16,996 AND BRING IN NEW E.A.s. >> Kimbrough: AMERICANS HAVE REALLY TAKEN A LIKING TO REMOTE WORK. 125 00:13:17,062 --> 00:13:21,400 THEY'RE 2.5 TIMES AS LIKELY TO APPLY TO A JOB THAT'S REMOTE VERSUS A JOB THAT'S NOT REMOTE. >> Whitaker: HOW'S THAT 126 00:13:21,467 --> 00:13:30,576 DIFFERENT FROM PRE-PANDEMIC? >> Kimbrough: SO, PRE-PANDEMIC, I THINK ONE IN EVERY 67 JOBS WAS A REMOTE JOB. 127 00:13:30,643 --> 00:13:34,747 >> Whitaker: AND NOW? >> Kimbrough: AND NOW IT'S ONE IN SEVEN. >> Whitaker: ONE IN SEVEN? 128 00:13:34,813 --> 00:13:37,183 >> Kimbrough: ONE IN SEVEN JOBS IS REMOTE NOW. IT'S HUGE-- >> Whitaker: THAT'S A HUGE 129 00:13:37,249 --> 00:13:44,256 SHIFT. >> Kimbrough: HUGE RISE IN M-- AND I THINK WHAT IT IS, IS THAT COMPANIES HAVE REALIZED THAT IF 130 00:13:44,323 --> 00:13:47,359 THEY WANT TO ATTRACT CANDIDATES, THEY KIND OF NEED TO MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE NOW. >> Williams: WORXBEE FOUND ME AT 131 00:13:47,426 --> 00:13:55,801 THE MOST OPPORTUNE TIME. >> Whitaker: TWO MONTHS AFTER QUITTING HER OFFICE JOB, MELISSA STARTED WITH WORXBEE. 132 00:13:55,868 --> 00:13:59,004 >> Williams: THE CHURN RATE IS FINALLY SHOWING ITS STRIPES. SO, HALLELUJAH! >> Whitaker: SHE'S NOW AN 133 00:13:59,071 --> 00:14:05,177 EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT FOR THREE ORGANIZATIONS. YOU'RE WORKING FOR THREE DIFFERENT BOSSES-- 134 00:14:05,244 --> 00:14:06,879 >> Williams: YES. UH-HUH. >> Whitaker: FROM HOME. >> Williams: UH-HUH. 135 00:14:06,946 --> 00:14:10,516 >> Whitaker: ALL VIRTUALLY. >> Williams: YES. >> Whitaker: IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU COULD BE JUST AS BUSY AS YOU 136 00:14:10,583 --> 00:14:17,423 WERE BEFORE. >> Williams: I AM. I AM JUST AS BUSY. THE DIFFERENCE IS, IT'S MY 137 00:14:17,489 --> 00:14:20,125 CHOICE. >> Whitaker: NOW YOU HAVE A FOURTH JOB? >> Williams: I DO. 138 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:26,765 ( LAUGHS ) I DO. I AM ALSO AN ENGLISH INSTRUCTOR AT GREENVILLE TECHNICAL COLLEGE. 139 00:14:26,832 --> 00:14:34,607 >> Whitaker: WORXBEE, AND THE ABILITY TO DESIGN YOUR WORK LIFE, DOES THAT MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO NOW ENJOY WHAT SEEMS 140 00:14:34,673 --> 00:14:38,944 TO BE YOUR PASSION? >> Williams: ABSOLUTELY. >> Whitaker: TO TEACH ENGLISH. >> Williams: ABSOLUTELY. 141 00:14:39,011 --> 00:14:46,418 IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR WORXBEE, I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO EVEN GIVE THIS A SHOT. >> Whitaker: THE PENDULUM OF 142 00:14:46,485 --> 00:14:53,459 POWER MAY SOON SWING BACK TOWARD EMPLOYERS, ESPECIALLY AS WORKERS WHO'VE QUIT THEIR JOBS DEPLETE THEIR SAVINGS. 143 00:14:53,525 --> 00:15:02,234 BUT KARIN KIMBROUGH EXPECTS EMPLOYEES TO CLING TO THE FLEXIBILITY THEY'VE FOUGHT FOR. >> Kimbrough: I THINK ACTUALLY 144 00:15:02,301 --> 00:15:08,007 THAT THIS TREND TOWARDS HAVING MORE FLEXIBILITY COULD BE PERMANENT. >> Williams: I HONESTLY CAN SAY 145 00:15:08,073 --> 00:15:10,276 I DON'T SEE MYSELF GOING BACK TO AN OFFICE, EVER. AND THAT-- >> Whitaker: EVER? 146 00:15:10,342 --> 00:15:15,414 >> Williams: EVER. HONESTLY, THERE IS NO OFFICE THAT COULD OFFER ME WHAT I HAVE IN MY HOUSE. 147 00:15:15,481 --> 00:15:30,362 IT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. ( TICKING ) >> Norah O'Donnell: THIS PAST THURSDAY MARKED THE FIRST 148 00:15:30,429 --> 00:15:38,370 ANNIVERSARY OF THE ATTACK ON THE U.S. CAPITOL, WHEN AN ANGRY MOB TRIED AND FAILED TO STOP CONGRESS FROM CERTIFYING THE 149 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:44,009 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. THE INSURRECTION'S ONLY SUCCESS WAS TO FURTHER POLARIZE A COUNTRY ALREADY DIVIDED. 150 00:15:44,076 --> 00:15:50,382 TONIGHT, WE'LL INTRODUCE YOU TO SOMEONE ATTEMPTING TO BRIDGE THAT DIVIDE. DAVE ISAY HAS CRETED A PROGRAM 151 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:57,256 CALLED "ONE SMALL STEP" TO GT AMERICANS FROM ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM TO STOP DEMONIZING ONE ANOTHER AND START 152 00:15:57,323 --> 00:16:06,432 COMMUNICATING-- FACE TO FACE, ONE CONVERSATION AT A TIME. "ONE SMALL STEP" GREW OUT OF "STORYCORPS," THE ORAL HISTORY 153 00:16:06,498 --> 00:16:12,838 PROJECT DAVE ISAY FOUNDED 18 YEARS AGO. IT HAS TAPED MORE THAN HALF A MILLION AMERICANS TELLING THEIR 154 00:16:12,905 --> 00:16:21,313 STORIES, TO BECOME THE LARGEST SINGLE COLLECTION OF HUMAN VOICES EVER RECORDED-- WITH ONE AIM AT ITS CORE. 155 00:16:21,380 --> 00:16:26,452 >> Dave Isay: WHAT IF WE JUST GIVE THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THE CHANCE TO BE LISTENED TO AND HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT, YOU 156 00:16:26,518 --> 00:16:31,924 KNOW, WHO THEY ARE? >> O'Donnell: DO YOU THINK PART OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IN AMERICA IS THAT PEOPLE ARE SO 157 00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:34,460 ANGRY BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYBODY'S LISTENING TO THEM? >> Isay: YEAH. 158 00:16:34,526 --> 00:16:42,234 I THINK PEOPLE FEEL-- PEOPLE FEEL MISUNDERSTOOD AND JUDGED AND UNHEARD. YOU KNOW, NOBODY HAS EVER, IN 159 00:16:42,301 --> 00:16:45,838 THE-- IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY, NO-- NOBODY'S EVER CHANGED THEIR MIND BECAUSE-- BY BEING CALLED AN IDIOT OR A MORON 160 00:16:45,904 --> 00:16:53,045 OR A SNOWFLAKE. BUT, YOU KNOW, MANY MINDS HAVE BEEN CHANGED BY BEING LISTENED TO, BY CONVERSATION, BEING TOLD 161 00:16:53,112 --> 00:16:57,316 THAT THEY'RE LOVED. >> O'Donnell: SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ALL CONSIDER MAYBE SO SIMPLE IS SO POWERFUL. 162 00:16:57,383 --> 00:17:05,257 >> Isay: YEAH, BEING TOLD THAT, ALL OF OUR STORIES MATTER EQUALLY AND INFINITELY, IS-- YOU KNOW, IS-- IS SOMETHING EVERYONE 163 00:17:05,324 --> 00:17:10,496 NEEDS TO HEAR. >> O'Donnell: DAVE ISAY SEEMS TO ALWAYS BE LISTENING, ALWAYS TAKING NOTES, EVEN DURING OUR 164 00:17:10,562 --> 00:17:18,170 INTERVIEW. HE TOLD US JOURNALISM SHOULD BE A PUBLIC SERVICE, AND NOW HOPES THAT "ONE SMALL STEP" CAN HELP 165 00:17:18,237 --> 00:17:25,244 END WHAT HE CALLS THE "CULTURE OF CONTEMPT" THAT IS TEARING APART THE COUNTRY. >> Isay: THE SITUATION IS SO BAD 166 00:17:25,310 --> 00:17:32,985 THAT, YOU KNOW, IF-- IF THE CULTURE OF CONTEMPT WINS-- THINGS ARE JUST NOT GOING TO END WELL FOR THE UNITED STATES. 167 00:17:33,051 --> 00:17:38,524 >> O'Donnell: WHAT'S FUELING THE CULTURE OF CONTEMPT? >> Isay: IT'S MEDIA. IT'S SOCIAL MEDIA. 168 00:17:38,590 --> 00:17:46,498 I MEAN, THERE'S A MULTI-MULTI- MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR HATE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, WHERE PEOPLE-- YOU KNOW, CAN MAKE 169 00:17:46,565 --> 00:17:53,839 MONEY BY MAKING US HATE AND FEAR EACH OTHER. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DAVID AND GOLIATH FIGHT HERE. 170 00:17:53,906 --> 00:18:00,746 >> O'Donnell: LONG BEFORE HE STARTED STORYCORPS AND "ONE SMALL STEP," DAVE ISAY FOUGHT TO TELL STORIES OF THE FORGOTTEN BY 171 00:18:00,813 --> 00:18:06,585 MAKING RADIO DOCUMENTARIES IN FLOPHOUSES, COAL MINES, AND PUBLIC HOUSING PROJECTS. >> Isay: I NEED YOU GUYS FROM 172 00:18:06,652 --> 00:18:10,589 HERE ON IN TO BE, LIKE, REALLY ON TOP OF STUFF. >> O'Donnell: HE FIRST APPEARED ON "60 MINUTES" NEARLY 25 YEARS 173 00:18:10,656 --> 00:18:20,933 AGO, IN A STORY WITH LESLEY STAHL ABOUT TWO TEENAGERS FROM CHICAGO WHO MADE THEIR OWN DOCUMENTARY WITH HIS HELP. 174 00:18:20,999 --> 00:18:26,872 THE PAIR WON A PEABODY AWARD, ONE OF THE HIGHEST HONORS IN BROADCASTING. >> Teenager: THANK YOU. 175 00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:33,445 >> O'Donnell: IN 2003, HE GOT THE IDEA FOR STORYCORPS. >> Isay: EVERYBODY-- MY FAMILY, EVERYBODY, THOUGHT IT WAS 176 00:18:33,512 --> 00:18:38,584 ABSOLUTELY INSANE. YOU KNOW, WE-- ( LAUGHTER ) WE STARTED WITH A BOOTH IN GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL. 177 00:18:38,650 --> 00:18:42,588 AND IT'S A VERY SIMPLE IDEA. YOU COME TO THE BOOTH WITH YOUR GRANDMOTHER, WITH ANYONE WHO YOU WANT TO HONOR BY LISTENING TO 178 00:18:42,654 --> 00:18:46,658 THEM. SO PEOPLE THINK OF IT AS, "IF I HAD 40 MINUTES LEFT TO LIVE, WHAT WOULD I SAY TO THIS PERSON 179 00:18:46,725 --> 00:18:53,632 WHO MEANS SO MUCH TO ME?" >> O'Donnell: TO ATTRACT PEOPLE, HE REACHED OUT TO THE PEOPLE'S LIBRARY-- SPECIFICALLY THE 180 00:18:53,699 --> 00:18:58,303 DIRECTOR OF THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS' AMERICAN FOLKLIFE CENTER. >> Isay: AND I SAID, "I'M GOING 181 00:18:58,370 --> 00:19:03,509 TO TRY AND RECORD THE WHOLE COUNTRY. WILL YOU ACCEPT THE MATERIAL?" AND SHE SAID THOSE MAGICAL THREE 182 00:19:03,575 --> 00:19:09,047 LETTERS, "YES." ( LAUGHS ) AND THAT WAS IT. AND HERE WE ARE. 183 00:19:09,114 --> 00:19:14,653 >> O'Donnell: THE STORYCORPS ARCHIVE IS IN GOOD COMPANY AT WHAT IS THE LARGEST LIBRARY IN THE WORLD. 184 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:22,694 OTHER TREASURES HERE INCLUDE A RARE GUTENBERG BIBLE, AS WELL AS A DRAFT OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE HANDWRITTEN BY 185 00:19:22,761 --> 00:19:30,636 THOMAS JEFFERSON, AND A PRELIMINARY DRAFT OF PRESIDENT LINCOLN'S EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION. 186 00:19:30,702 --> 00:19:38,644 DR. CARLA HAYDEN SERVES AS THE LIBRARIAN OF CONGRESS. UNTIL RECENTLY IT WAS A LIFETIME APPOINTMENT, SO ONLY 14 PEOPLE 187 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:46,818 HAVE HELD THE JOB SINCE 1802. HOW DOES HAVING STORYCORPS HERE FIT INTO YOUR VISION FOR THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS? 188 00:19:46,885 --> 00:19:54,993 >> Dr. Carla Hayden: STORYCORPS IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF ADDING HISTORY AND CONTEXT AND THE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAKE HISTORY. 189 00:19:55,060 --> 00:20:02,334 NOT JUST THE ONES THAT WE SEE ON THE NEWS, BUT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PART OF THE FABRIC OF OUR AMERICAN LIFE. 190 00:20:02,401 --> 00:20:10,642 THE EVERYDAY PEOPLE-- WHAT DID THEY FEEL, WHAT DO THEY BELIEVE? >> O'Donnell: TO TRY TO FIND OUT, STORYCORPS ROLLED OUT A 191 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:18,650 MOBILE BOOTH IN 2005 TO TRAVEL THE COUNTRY. THEY ALSO LAUNCHED PARTNERSHIPS AND STORY COLLECTION PROGRAMS IN 192 00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:22,688 MULTIPLE AMERICAN CITIES. >> Isay: THIS IS DAVE ISAY, FOUNDER OF STORYCORPS. >> O'Donnell: WHEN THE PANDEMIC 193 00:20:22,754 --> 00:20:30,495 HIT, THEY CREATED A NEW WAY FOR PEOPLE TO SUBMIT STORIES ONLINE. >> Isay: SHARE YOUR INTERVIEW FAR AND WIDE, AND KNOW THAT 194 00:20:30,562 --> 00:20:38,637 SOMEDAY, FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL BE LISTENING. >> O'Donnell: EVERY FRIDAY, FOR THE LAST 16 YEARS, NATIONAL 195 00:20:38,704 --> 00:20:47,479 PUBLIC RADIO SENDS ONE STORY INTO THE HOMES, HEADPHONES, AND CARS OF SIX MILLION PEOPLE. >> Steve Inskeep: HEY, IT'S 196 00:20:47,546 --> 00:20:53,585 FRIDAY, WHICH IS WHEN WE HEAR FROM STORYCORPS. >> O'Donnell: WE WERE RECENTLY AT NPR'S WASHINGTON STUDIO TO 197 00:20:53,652 --> 00:21:00,692 HEAR "MORNING EDITION" HOST STEVE INSKEEP INTRODUCE THE STORY OF MIGUEL ENCINIAS, A DECORATED FIGHTER PILOT WHO 198 00:21:00,759 --> 00:21:06,698 PASSED AWAY IN 2016 AT THE AGE OF 92. >> Inskeep: HE SERVED AS A U.S. MILITARY PILOT IN WORLD WAR II 199 00:21:06,765 --> 00:21:15,974 AND KOREA AND VIETNAM. TWO OF HIS CHILDREN, ISABEL AND JUAN PABLO ENCINIAS, CAME TO STORYCORPS TO REMEMBER HIM. 200 00:21:16,041 --> 00:21:19,845 >> Isabel Encinias: WHEN I WAS LITTLE, I REMEMBER HIM FLYING IN HIS FIGHTER JET AND US WAITING FOR HIM ON THE TARMAC AND 201 00:21:19,911 --> 00:21:26,084 THINKING, "OH MY GOD, WHAT A HERO MY FATHER IS." >> Juan-Pablo Encinias: AS HE GOT OLDER, HE WAS DIAGNOSED WITH 202 00:21:26,151 --> 00:21:33,625 DEMENTIA. BUT EVEN AT THE END, WHEN HE COGNITIVELY WASN'T ALL THERE, HE WOULD HEAR A PLANE AND JUST LOOK 203 00:21:33,692 --> 00:21:40,432 UP AND STARE AT IT IN THE SKY. AND YOU COULD TELL THAT HE JUST WANTED TO BE UP IN THAT PLANE WITH EVERY OUNCE OF HIS BEING. 204 00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:44,670 >> Isabel Encinias: MAYBE HE'S LISTENING TO US SOMEWHERE UP THERE. ( LAUGHS ) 205 00:21:44,736 --> 00:21:47,806 >> Juan-Pablo Encinias: I HOPE SO. >> Isay: SOMETIMES, IN AN INTERVIEW, YOU CAN ALMOST SEE 206 00:21:47,873 --> 00:21:51,610 SPARKS FLYING OUT OF SOMEONE'S MOUTH. THERE'S-- THERE'S JUST THIS KIND OF MAGNIFICENCE AND GRACE TO THE 207 00:21:51,677 --> 00:21:57,616 STORY. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES WHERE YOU JUST-- IT-- IT ALMOST DEMANDS TO BE SHARED WITH A LARGER 208 00:21:57,683 --> 00:22:03,689 AUDIENCE. >> O'Donnell: IN 2010, STORYCORPS BEGAN TO ANIMATE CONVERSATIONS TO BE VIEWED BY 209 00:22:03,755 --> 00:22:13,932 NEW AUDIENCES ONLINE, LIKE THIS ONE, RECORDED IN MISSISSIPPI, BETWEEN ALBERT SYKES AND HIS NINE-YEAR-OLD SON AIDAN. 210 00:22:13,999 --> 00:22:18,036 >> Aidan Sykes: ARE YOU PROUD OF ME? >> Albert Sykes: OF COURSE. YOU MY MAN. 211 00:22:18,103 --> 00:22:25,444 I-- I JUST LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU, PERIOD. >> Aidan Sykes: THE THING I LOVE ABOUT YOU-- YOU NEVER GIVE UP ON 212 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:30,549 ME. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WIL ALWAYS REMEMBER ABOUT MY DAD. >> O'Donnell: HAVE YOU THOUGHT 213 00:22:30,615 --> 00:22:34,219 ABOUT SELLING KLEENEXES? ( LAUGHS ) YOU COULD MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. >> Isay: WE'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO 214 00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:38,790 GET KLEENEX AS A SPONSOR, BUT THEY'VE NEVER AGREED. ( LAUGHS ) >> O'Donnell: ONLY A TINY 215 00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:46,298 FRACTION OF STORYCORPS' HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF STORIES EVER MAKE IT ONTO THE RADIO. THEY'RE SELECTED BY STORYCORPS' 216 00:22:46,364 --> 00:22:53,705 FACILITATORS, WHO MAKE UP THE ACTUAL CORPS OF STORYCORPS. >> Facilitator: ONCE I PRESS RECORD, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU 217 00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:57,676 INTRODUCE YOURSELVES. >> O'Donnell: FACILITATORS ARE TRAINED IN BOTH THE ART AND THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF STORY 218 00:22:57,743 --> 00:23:03,749 COLLECTION. >> Facilitator: WONDERFUL. >> O'Donnell: JASON REYNOLDS SERVES ON STORYCORPS' BOARD OF 219 00:23:03,815 --> 00:23:13,158 DIRECTORS. HE'S ALSO ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR AND CELEBRATED YOUNG ADULT AUTHORS IN THE COUNTRY. 220 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:18,864 16 YEARS AGO, FRESH OUT OF COLLEGE, HE WAS A FACILITATOR WHO CONDUCTED CLOSE TO 300 STORYCORPS SESSIONS OVER 18 221 00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:25,137 MONTHS. >> Jason Reynolds: I FELT LIKE I WAS PRIVY TO SOMETHING SPECIAL, SOMETHING SACRED, YOU KNOW, AND 222 00:23:25,203 --> 00:23:29,508 SOMETHING THAT WOULD LAST FOREVER. YOU KNOW, AND NO ONE WOULD KNOW THAT I'M IN THE ROOM, RIGHT? 223 00:23:29,574 --> 00:23:33,545 BUT I WAS IN THE ROOM FOR SOME OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL TALES I'VE EVER HEARD. >> O'Donnell: SO IT SOUNDS LIKE 224 00:23:33,612 --> 00:23:42,087 WHAT YOU HEARD IN THE BOOTH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT PEOPLE MAY HEAR ON THE RADIO? >> Reynolds: ABSOLUTELY. 225 00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:45,891 SOMETIMES YOU CAN ALMOST HEAR THE ANXIETY OF IT ALL. AND OTHER TIMES, YOU CAN HEAR-- THE GENTLE TENDERNESS OF HUMAN 226 00:23:45,957 --> 00:23:54,432 BEINGS. >> Isay: I THINK STORYCORPS AND THE FACILITATORS, THEY GET TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHO WE REALLY ARE 227 00:23:54,499 --> 00:24:03,141 AS AMERICANS, AND IT'S NOT WHAT YOU SEE ON 24-HOUR NEWS. >> O'Donnell: AROUND THE TIME OF THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, 228 00:24:03,208 --> 00:24:09,815 DAVE ISAY SAYS HE GOT THE IDEA FOR A NEW KIND OF STORYCORPS THAT COULD PERHAPS HELP UNITE A COUNTRY BECOMING INCREASINGLY 229 00:24:09,881 --> 00:24:15,387 DIVIDED. HE DECIDED TO CALL IT "ONE SMALL STEP." WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 230 00:24:15,453 --> 00:24:21,393 REGULAR STORYCORPS AND ONE SMALL STEP? >> Isay: SO, EVERY REGULAR STORYCORPS INTERVIEW ARE PEOPLE 231 00:24:21,459 --> 00:24:26,565 WHO KNOW AND LOVE EACH OTHER. AND EVERY ONE SMALL STEP INTERVIEW ARE STRANGERS. AND IN THE CASE OF ONE SMALL 232 00:24:26,631 --> 00:24:31,069 STEP, IT'S PEOPLE WHO ARE ACROSS THE POLITICAL DIVIDE. >> Facilitator: SO, AFTER YOU READ EACH OTHER'S BIOS, I'M 233 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:38,543 GOING TO ASK, WHY DID YOU WANT TO DO THE INTERVIEW TODAY? >> Isay: SO, WE MATCH STRANGERS WHO DISAGREE POLITICALLY, TO PUT 234 00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:43,215 THEM FACE-TO-FACE FOR 50 MINUTES. IT'S NOT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS; IT'S JUST TO TALK ABOUT YOUR 235 00:24:43,281 --> 00:24:50,922 LIVES. >> O'Donnell: FACILITATORS BEGIN BY ASKING THE PARTICIPANTS TO READ ONE ANOTHER'S BIOGRAPHY OUT 236 00:24:50,989 --> 00:24:57,195 LOUD, AS IN THIS RECENT SESSION IN RICHMOND, VIRGINIA. THE PROJECT TRIES TO MATCH PEOPLE WHO MAY BE FROM DIFFERENT 237 00:24:57,262 --> 00:25:03,902 POLITICAL PARTIES, BUT HAVE SOMETHING ELSE IN COMMON. >> Brenda Brown-Grooms: "HI. I GREW UP AS AN ARMY BRAT AND-- 238 00:25:03,969 --> 00:25:12,043 AND EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN, SURROUNDED BY A VERY POWERFUL IDEOLOGY OF CONSERVATISM, PATRIOTISM, AND RELIGION." 239 00:25:12,110 --> 00:25:18,683 >> Nicole Unice: "I AM A BAPTIST PASTOR AND PERFORMANCE ARTIST, A NATIVE CHARLOTTESVILLIAN, GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF 240 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:23,021 VIRGINIA, AND UNION THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY IN NEW YORK CITY." >> O'Donnell: PARTICIPANTS ARE ENCOURAGED TO FOCUS ON WHAT THEY 241 00:25:23,088 --> 00:25:28,727 SHARE. >> Brown-Grooms: WE'RE PASTORS, AND WE'RE-- WE-- WE'RE HELPING PEOPLE TO FIND THEIR PATH AND 242 00:25:28,793 --> 00:25:37,602 FIND THEIR VOICE. >> Unice: OH, BRENDA, I LOVE WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT HELPING PEOPLE FIND THEIR PATH, BECAUSE 243 00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:42,974 I FEEL SUCH A CONNECTION THERE. >> O'Donnell: THE FORMAT IS DERIVED FROM A PSYCHOLOGICAL CONCEPT DEVELOPED IN THE 1950s 244 00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:50,982 CALLED CONTACT THEORY. >> Isay: WHICH SAYS THAT WHEN YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE ENEMIES, AND YOU PUT THEM FACE- 245 00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:58,990 TO-FACE UNDER VERY, VERY SPECIFIC CONDITIONS-- AND THEY HAVE A CONVERSATION AND A KIND OF VISCERAL, EMOTIONAL 246 00:25:59,057 --> 00:26:05,897 EXPERIENCE WITH EACH OTHER, THAT HATE CAN MELT AWAY. AND PEOPLE CAN SEE EACH OTHER IN A NEW WAY. 247 00:26:05,964 --> 00:26:10,268 >> Unice: I'M HERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT, "I WANT TO BE A PART OF A BETTER WORLD FOR OUR CHILDREN AND OUR GRANDCHILDREN." 248 00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:17,976 >> Brown-Grooms: YEAH. YEAH. I CAN'T SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD, BUT I CAN DO MY PART WHERE I AM. 249 00:26:18,043 --> 00:26:24,816 AND, DAGNABBIT, I'M GOING TO. ( LAUGHS ) >> O'Donnell: ONE SMALL STEP JUST CROSSED THE NOT-SO-SMALL 250 00:26:24,883 --> 00:26:29,988 MILESTONE OF COMPLETING 1,000 SESSIONS, AND THERE ARE OVER 6,000 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST. 251 00:26:30,055 --> 00:26:35,060 >> Isay: SO, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RUNDOWN ON WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH ONE SMALL STEP SINCE WE LAST SPOKE. 252 00:26:35,126 --> 00:26:43,034 >> O'Donnell: ONCE A MONTH, DAVE ISAY MEETS WITH WHAT HE CALLS ONE SMALL STEP'S BRAIN-TRUST. IT INCLUDES SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGY 253 00:26:43,101 --> 00:26:47,939 PROFESSORS FROM YALE AND COLUMBIA, FORMER POLITICAL ADVISERS FROM BOTH THE RIGHT AND THE LEFT... 254 00:26:48,006 --> 00:26:51,977 >> Member: I LIKE HOW YOU CAN'T TELL WHO'S A DEMOCRAT AND WHO'S A REPUBLICAN. >> O'Donnell: ...AND POLLSTERS 255 00:26:52,043 --> 00:26:59,050 WHO'VE FOUND DATA TO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT THERE IS AN "EXHAUSTED MAJORITY" IN AMERICA. >> Isay: THEY'RE TIRED, THEY'RE 256 00:26:59,117 --> 00:27:02,487 SCARED, THEY'RE SICK OF THE DIVISION, AND THEY WANT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY OUT. AND WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT-- 257 00:27:02,554 --> 00:27:10,028 WE'VE GOT TO GIVE THEM A WAY OUT. >> O'Donnell: DAVE ISAY MAKES IT A POINT TO VENTURE OUTSIDE OF 258 00:27:10,095 --> 00:27:15,100 STORYCORPS' HOME TURF ON NPR TO INCREASE THE PROJECT'S REACH. >> Tucker Carlson: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR POLITICS ARE, 259 00:27:15,166 --> 00:27:18,203 WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE YOU SO MUCH, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU ARE PRIMARILY POLITICAL. 260 00:27:18,269 --> 00:27:22,607 YOU ARE REALLY INTERESTED IN BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER. >> O'Donnell: YOU ACTIVELY SEEK OUT MEDIA OUTLETS THAT APPEAL TO 261 00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:26,711 CONSERVATIVES? >> Isay: YES. >> O'Donnell: LIKE TUCKER CARLSON, GLENN BECK. 262 00:27:26,778 --> 00:27:38,523 >> Isay: YEAH. YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT MAKES ONE SMALL STEP SPECIAL IS THAT ALL OF US BELIEVE IN EVERY CELL OF 263 00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:45,363 OUR BODY THAT THERE IS A FLAME OF GOOD IN YOU, WHETHER YOU'RE LIBERAL OR WHETHER YOU'RE CONSERVATIVE. 264 00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:50,335 AND OUR JOB IS TO FAN THAT FLAME UNTIL IT BECOMES A ROARING FIRE. >> Reynolds: I TAKE MY HAT OFF TO DAVE. 265 00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:53,405 I THINK-- I THINK, ONCE MORE, HE'S PROVING THAT, LIKE, HE-- HE-- HE'S WILLING TO WALK THE WALK. 266 00:27:53,471 --> 00:27:58,143 >> O'Donnell: WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT THE ONE SMALL STEP INITIATIVE, WHAT DID YOU THINK? >> Reynolds: IT IS VERY, VERY 267 00:27:58,209 --> 00:28:06,351 DIFFICULT FOR US TO HATE ONE ANOTHER WHEN I'M LOOKING YOU IN THE FACE, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE LIKE TO S-- COOK 268 00:28:06,418 --> 00:28:13,291 OUR CHILDREN FOR DINNER. AND TALKING ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO GET OUR BABIES INTO COLLEGE. 269 00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:18,663 IT ISN'T AN EASY FIX, IT ISN'T SOME KIND OF HOCUS POCUS, OR YOU KNOW, KUMBAYA, OR IT'S ALL FINE. IT ISN'T ANY OF THAT. 270 00:28:18,730 --> 00:28:22,467 HE KNOWS THAT. BUT SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DO SOMETHING. >> Isay: OUR DREAM WITH ONE 271 00:28:22,534 --> 00:28:28,106 SMALL STEP IS THAT WE CONVINCE THE COUNTRY THAT IT'S OUR PATRIOTIC DUTY TO SEE THE HUMANITY IN PEOPLE WITH WHOM WE 272 00:28:28,173 --> 00:28:32,377 DISAGREE. >> O'Donnell: IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF STORIES TO BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER. 273 00:28:32,444 --> 00:28:39,717 >> Isay: WE'RE BANKING ON A BIT OF A MIRACLE HERE. YOU JUST DON'T GIVE UP. ( TICKING ) 274 00:28:39,784 --> 00:28:45,990 >> THE STORYCORPS SESSION JASON REYNOLDS NEVER FORGOT: >> Reynolds: WHAT A GIFT TO BE ALLOWED TO WATCH SUCH AN 275 00:28:46,057 --> 00:28:58,903 INCREDIBLE THING HAPPEN. >> AT 60minutesovertime.com. SPONSORED BY COLOGUARD. ( TICKING ) 276 00:28:58,970 --> 00:29:05,743 >> Jon Wertheim: THE N.F.L. PLAYOFFS START NEXT WEEKEND, AND HERE'S ONE SAFE BET: AT LEAST A FEW GAMES WILL COME DOWN TO 277 00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:14,486 FOOTBALL'S GREAT SECRET, HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT. WE SPEAK OF KICKERS, WHO SCORE ABOUT A THIRD OF THE POINTS IN 278 00:29:14,552 --> 00:29:20,058 THE N.F.L., BUT ONLY GET A SMALL FRACTION OF THE RESPECT. IT WAS BUDDY RYAN, THE HARD- BOILED COACH, WHO ONCE GROWLED: 279 00:29:20,125 --> 00:29:24,929 "KICKERS ARE LIKE TAXI-CABS. YOU CAN ALWAYS GO OUT AND HIRE ANOTHER ONE." SURE ENOUGH, THIS SEASON, ALMOST 280 00:29:24,996 --> 00:29:30,969 HALF THE N.F.L. TEAMS HAVE REPLACED THEIR KICKERS, AT LEAST ONCE. BUT THEN, ONTO THE FIELD JOGS 281 00:29:31,035 --> 00:29:36,975 JUSTIN TUCKER OF THE BALTIMORE RAVENS, WHO CLEAVES THE UPRIGHTS WITH A MIX OF POWER AND PRECISION. 282 00:29:37,041 --> 00:29:43,281 THE RAVENS HAD A ROUGH SEASON, BUT TUCKER IS ON A TRAJECTORY, END-OVER-END, TO GO DOWN AS PERHAPS THE GREATEST N.F.L. 283 00:29:43,348 --> 00:29:48,720 KICKER, THERE EVER WAS-- IN TURN, ELEVATING THE ENTIRE POSITION. >> Announcer: THIS IS THE GUY 284 00:29:48,786 --> 00:29:54,959 YOU WANT, GREG! >> Wertheim: IF THERE WERE ONE SIGNATURE MOMENT FROM THE N.F.L. THIS SEASON, IT MIGHT BE THIS. 285 00:29:55,026 --> 00:30:01,833 ( CROWD NOISE ) DETROIT LIONS, 17; BALTIMORE RAVENS, 16. THREE SECONDS LEFT. 286 00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:09,274 JUSTIN TUCKER, THE RAVENS' 32- YEAR-OLD KICKER, LINES UP BEYOND MIDFIELD, BEYOND THE TAIL OF THE LIONS' LOGO... 287 00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:15,313 >> Announcer: THIS IS FOR AN N.F.L. RECORD, 66 YARDS. >> Wertheim: ...AND, ACTION. >> Announcer: ON ITS WAY! 288 00:30:15,380 --> 00:30:18,950 >> Justin Tucker: I FELT THE THUD OF THE BALL, I KNEW IT WAS GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL 289 00:30:19,017 --> 00:30:27,225 I SAW THE BALL HIT THE CROSSBAR. >> Announcer: IT BOUNCES OFF THE CROSSBAR, AND IT'S GOOD! HA-HA-HA-- OH MY GOODNESS! 290 00:30:27,292 --> 00:30:30,762 OH MY GOODNESS! >> Tucker: I THINK THAT'S WHEN WE ALL KNEW THAT WE HAD JUST BEEN A PART OF AN HISTORIC 291 00:30:30,828 --> 00:30:38,970 MOMENT. >> Wertheim: NOTE THE REACTION OF HIS COACH, JOHN HARBAUGH. ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) 292 00:30:39,037 --> 00:30:43,975 TUCKER'S TEAMMATES WERE EQUALLY GIDDY. >> Teammate: AHH! LET'S GO! 293 00:30:44,042 --> 00:30:50,081 >> Wertheim: WHAT MADE IT REMARKABLE? FOR ONE, THE SHEER DISTANCE. BY A MATTER OF INCHES, THE 66- 294 00:30:50,148 --> 00:30:55,453 YARDER SET A NEW N.F.L. RECORD FOR LONGEST FIELD GOAL EVER. BUT ALSO, SINCE WHEN HAVE YOU 295 00:30:55,520 --> 00:31:01,859 HEARD THIS KIND OF SWOONING OVER A KICKER? >> Harbaugh: WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOREVER! 296 00:31:01,926 --> 00:31:03,962 SO PROUD OF YOU, MAN. HE'S THE BEST EVER. HE'S THE BEST. >> Wertheim: BEST EVER? 297 00:31:04,028 --> 00:31:08,900 >> Harbaugh: BEST THAT'S EVER DONE IT. ( LOCKER ROOM ) >> Wertheim: JOHN HARBAUGH SAYS 298 00:31:08,967 --> 00:31:11,135 IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE OF TUCKER'S RECORD-BREAKER IN DETROIT. WHAT IS HIS SECRET KICKING 299 00:31:11,202 --> 00:31:15,974 SAUCE? >> Harbaugh: YOU KNOW, HE'S A VERY TALENTED GUY; LEG STRENGTH, ACCURACY. 300 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:22,013 ALL THE NUMBERS ARE THERE. BUT TO ME, THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST THE WAY HE APPROACHES IT. I MEAN, HIS DEMEANOR, PERSONA, 301 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,751 IN THE BIGGEST MOMENTS, THE BIGGEST KICKS, UNDER THE MOST PRESSURE, THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM THE BEST EVER. 302 00:31:26,818 --> 00:31:31,022 >> Wertheim: YOU SOUND FIRED UP WHEN YOU SAY THAT. >> Harbaugh: WELL, I'M FIRED UP THAT HE'S OUR KICKER. 303 00:31:31,089 --> 00:31:35,026 ( LAUGHS ) MAKES US A BETTER FOOTBALL TEAM. >> Wertheim: TUCKER WEIGHS ONLY 180 POUNDS, BUT HE'S OFTEN 304 00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:42,300 RESCUED THE RAVENS. >> Announcer: JUSTIN TUCKER! >> Wertheim: GOING INTO THIS WEEKEND, TUCKER HAD MADE 57 305 00:31:42,367 --> 00:31:48,606 STRAIGHT FIELD GOALS IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OR OVERTIME. HE WASN'T DRAFTED. HE'S SCORED MORE THAN A THIRD OF 306 00:31:48,673 --> 00:31:52,076 THE RAVENS' POINTS SINCE HE'S GOTTEN HERE. >> Harbaugh: RIGHT. >> Wertheim: IS HE WORTH A 307 00:31:52,143 --> 00:31:55,013 FIRST-ROUND PICK TODAY? >> Harbaugh: HE IS. ABSOLUTELY. HE WOULD BE. 308 00:31:55,079 --> 00:32:00,051 >> Wertheim: HERE'S THE REAL KICKER, AS IT WERE: ACROSS THE N.F.L., MORE FIELD GOALS ARE BEING MADE FROM LONGER 309 00:32:00,118 --> 00:32:08,726 DISTANCES, WITH GREATER ACCURACY THAN EVER. BUT THEN THERE ARE WACKY SUNDAYS LIKE THE ONE IN OCTOBER... 310 00:32:08,793 --> 00:32:11,496 >> Announcer: IT'S NO GOOD! McPHERSON'S KICK. >> Wertheim: ...WHEN NORMALLY RELIABLE KICKERS FOR THE PACKERS 311 00:32:11,562 --> 00:32:19,203 AND BENGALS... >> Announcer: NO GOOD! CROSBY FROM 40-- IT IS NO GOOD! >> Wertheim: ...COMBINED TO MISS 312 00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:24,142 FIVE FIELD GOALS IN THE LAST TEN MINUTES. >> Announcer: WHAT IS GOING ON? >> Wertheim: AND THE EXTRA 313 00:32:24,208 --> 00:32:33,685 POINT, ONCE ALMOST AUTOMATIC, HAS BECOME MORE OF AN ADVENTURE SINCE THE N.F.L. EXTENDED THE DISTANCE IN 2015. 314 00:32:33,751 --> 00:32:38,890 >> Announcer: UGH! >> Wertheim: ALL THOSE GAMES HINGING ON THE SMALLEST GUYS ON THE FIELD, SPLITTING OR MISSING 315 00:32:38,956 --> 00:32:46,064 THOSE TWO UPRIGHTS? THE OUTCOME WILL DEPEND AS MUCH ON THE MIND AS ON THE FOOT. EVEN FOR JUSTIN TUCKER, NERVES 316 00:32:46,130 --> 00:32:48,466 COME INTO PLAY. >> Tucker: IF YOU'RE NOT FEELING JUST, LIKE, A LITTLE SOMETHING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU EVEN 317 00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:55,807 REALLY LIVING? YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF PLAYING THIS POSITION AT THIS LEVEL, IS 318 00:32:55,873 --> 00:33:01,879 THINKING ABOUT ALL THAT, PROCESSING IT, COMPARTMENTALIZING IT, PUTTING IT AWAY, AND THEN STILL GOING 319 00:33:01,946 --> 00:33:07,151 OUT THERE AND DOING YOUR JOB. >> Announcer: CALAIS CAMPBELL! >> Wertheim: TUCKER'S TEAMMATE, SIX-FOOT EIGHT DEFENSIVE LINEMAN 320 00:33:07,218 --> 00:33:12,790 CALAIS CAMPBELL, WHOSE JOB INCLUDES BLOCKING KICKS, SAYS HE CAN DETECT FEAR IN KICKERS WHEN THE GAME'S ON THE LINE. 321 00:33:12,857 --> 00:33:16,127 >> Calais Campbell: YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE REALLY GOOD KICKERS, UNTIL A SITUATION COMES AND THEY JUST-- ALL THAT CONFIDENCE GOES 322 00:33:16,194 --> 00:33:21,799 AWAY. YOU CAN SEE THE NERVOUSNESS IN THEIR EYES. AND VERY FEW KICKERS HAVE THE 323 00:33:21,866 --> 00:33:26,003 ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT-- THAT KIND OF PRESSURE. >> Wertheim: YOU SEE THAT, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LINE? 324 00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:33,978 >> Campbell: OH, YEAH, ALL THE TIME. >> Wertheim: N.F.L. KICKING TITAN MORTEN ANDERSEN MADE 583 325 00:33:34,045 --> 00:33:36,981 FIELD GOALS OVER A 25-YEAR CAREER. ANDERSEN SAYS KICKERS HAVE NOWHERE TO HIDE. 326 00:33:37,048 --> 00:33:42,487 >> Morten Andersen: WE'RE VERY EXPOSED. OUR PERFORMANCE FEEDBACK IS IMMEDIATE. 327 00:33:42,553 --> 00:33:45,857 IT'S EITHER GOOD OR BAD. >> Wertheim: HOW MUCH OF THIS IS MENTAL? >> Andersen: I WOULD SAY 90% OF 328 00:33:45,923 --> 00:33:49,260 IT IS MENTAL, AND THE LAST 10% IS MENTAL. ( LAUGHS ) >> Wertheim: IT'S LIKE YOGI 329 00:33:49,327 --> 00:33:52,930 BERRA DOES KICKING. ( LAUGHS ) YOU HAD A KICK TO GO TO THE SUPER BOWL. 330 00:33:52,997 --> 00:33:55,166 >> Andersen: YEAH. >> Wertheim: DID YOU FEEL FEAR WHEN YOU WALKED OUT? >> Andersen: NO. 331 00:33:55,233 --> 00:34:01,105 BECAUSE I HAD, IN MY MENTAL REHEARSALS, THE NIGHT BEFORE, IN THE HOTEL, I-- I WOULD DO THREE OR FOUR SCENARIOS. 332 00:34:01,172 --> 00:34:07,211 I WOULD REHEARSE THEM IN SLOW MOTION AND REAL TIME. SO, I REMEMBER STANDING ON THE SIDELINE, AND ALL MY TEAMMATES 333 00:34:07,278 --> 00:34:12,116 WERE ON THEIR KNEES. THEY WERE HOLDING HANDS. AND I THOUGHT TO MY-- I REMEMBER THINKING TO MYSELF, YOU KNOW, 334 00:34:12,183 --> 00:34:17,422 "THEY'RE NOT DRIVING THE CAR. I'M DRIVING THE CAR." >> Wertheim: WHEN ANDERSEN DROVE THE ATLANTA FALCONS INTO THE 335 00:34:17,488 --> 00:34:27,231 SUPER BOWL IN 1999, HE WAS SO SURE HE'D NAILED HIS KICK, HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO WATCH. ANDERSEN IS THE SECOND-LEADING 336 00:34:27,298 --> 00:34:34,172 SCORER IN N.F.L. HISTORY-- BEHIND ANOTHER KICKER, FOUR-TIME SUPER BOWL WINNER ADAM VINATIERI-- AND YET... 337 00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:37,742 YOU'RE ONE OF ONLY TWO PURE KICKERS IN THE FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME. HOW CAN THAT BE? 338 00:34:37,809 --> 00:34:42,713 >> Andersen: IT'S A GREAT INJUSTICE! ONE OF THE GREATEST INJUSTICES IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. 339 00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:46,184 I'M KIDDING! A LITTLE BIT. >> Wertheim: YOU GUYS ARE SCORING A THIRD OF THE POINTS, 340 00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:48,753 THOUGH. HOW CAN THERE BE ONLY TWO OF YOU? >> Andersen: CORRECT, AND-- AND 341 00:34:48,820 --> 00:34:52,190 IF, IF THE POINT OF THE GAME IS TO SCORE MORE POINTS THAN THE OTHER TEAM, WHO'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE LEADING SCORER ON THE 342 00:34:52,256 --> 00:34:57,795 FOOTBALL TEAM? >> Wertheim: KICKERS HAVE LONG BEEN SEEN AS SOMETHING, WELL, FOREIGN. 343 00:34:57,862 --> 00:35:03,367 LITERALLY. GUYS BORN IN EUROPE WITH NAMES LIKE GOGOLAK AND STENERUD. MAYBE IT WAS THE BAREFOOT 344 00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:11,342 KICKERS IN THE SNOW, OR GARO YEPREMIAN'S LONE PASS OF HIS CAREER-- IN THE SUPER BOWL NO LESS-- THAT HELPED CREATE A 345 00:35:11,409 --> 00:35:17,648 PERCEPTION: KICKERS AREN'T REAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS. AND THEN, THERE IS ANOTHER FALSE PERCEPTION: THAT KICKING A 346 00:35:17,715 --> 00:35:22,353 FOOTBALL AIN'T ALL THAT DIFFICULT. YOU EVER HAVE TEAMMATES SAY, "KICKING A BALL THROUGH 347 00:35:22,420 --> 00:35:27,458 UPRIGHTS, HOW HARD CAN THAT BE?" >> Andersen: SO, EVERY SATURDAY MORNING, WE HAD A WALK THROUGH. AND ALL THE GUYS WANTED TO KICK 348 00:35:27,525 --> 00:35:32,663 FIELD GOALS. AND I'M LIKE, "DON'T DO IT, GUYS, THIS IS NOT MUSCLES YOU'RE USED TO USING." 349 00:35:32,730 --> 00:35:35,633 >> Wertheim: ANYONE ACTUALLY MAKE THE FIELD GOAL, WHEN THEY WEREN'T BLOWING OUT THEIR KNEES? >> Andersen: IT WASN'T A PRETTY 350 00:35:35,700 --> 00:35:39,270 SIGHT. AND I WAS JUST LIKE, "YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS! ( LAUGHS ) 351 00:35:39,337 --> 00:35:45,943 THIS IS NOT GOING TO END WELL." >> Wertheim: THERE ARE SELDOM BACK-UP KICKERS IN THE N.F.L., SO, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED THREE 352 00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:51,482 WEEKS AGO WHEN CAROLINA PANTHERS KICKER ZANE GONZALEZ INJURED HIS LEG IN WARM-UPS. THE TEAM SCRAMBLED TO FIND ANY 353 00:35:51,549 --> 00:35:57,622 PLAYER WHO COULD KICK, HOLDING FIELD AUDITIONS ON THE SPOT. NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE PANTHERS DIDN'T EVEN TRY TO KICK A FIELD 354 00:35:57,688 --> 00:36:05,696 GOAL OR EXTRA POINT THAT DAY. THEN AGAIN, KICKERS ARE A SPECIAL BREED. >> Tucker: ♪ AVE MARIA ♪ 355 00:36:05,763 --> 00:36:10,434 >> Wertheim: HOW MANY LINEBACKERS DARE SING OPERA AS A HOBBY? JUSTIN TUCKER WAS HAPPY TO BELT 356 00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:22,313 OUT "AVE MARIA" AT A BALTIMORE CHRISTMAS CONCERT A FEW YEARS AGO. >> Tucker: ♪ AVE MARIA ♪ 357 00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:26,651 ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Wertheim: WE HEARD HE'S SHY ABOUT HIS SINGING. >> Campbell: ( LAUGHS ) 358 00:36:26,717 --> 00:36:30,221 YEAH. YEAH, VERY SHY. I MEAN, HE'S THE LIFE OF THE PARTY IN THE LOCKER ROOM EVERY 359 00:36:30,288 --> 00:36:32,456 DAY. >> Wertheim: EVERY DAY, YOU SAID? >> Campbell: OH, EVERY DAY. 360 00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:40,331 >> Wertheim: KICKERS AVOID FOOTBALL'S VIOLENCE. THEY EVEN PRACTICE ON THEIR OWN FIELD-- SOMETIMES, NOT AT ALL. 361 00:36:40,398 --> 00:36:46,070 WE HAD AN N.F.L. KICKER TELL US, "ALL THE PLAYERS WANT TO BE US DURING PRACTICE, AND NONE OF THE TEAMMATES WANT TO BE US WITH 362 00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:51,342 THREE SECONDS LEFT IN THE GAME." YOU'RE-- YOU'RE SMILING WHEN I-- >> Tucker: IT'S BECAUSE I'VE HEARD THAT, TIME AND TIME AGAIN, 363 00:36:51,409 --> 00:36:55,346 FROM-- FROM MY TEAMMATES, OVER THE YEARS. >> Wertheim: YOU BUY IT? >> Tucker: AND IT'S ABSOLUTELY 364 00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:59,283 TRUE. I MEAN, WE HAVE AN OBVIOUSLY LIGHTER WORKLOAD. WE'RE NOT HITTING OR GETTING 365 00:36:59,350 --> 00:37:06,791 HIT. OUR PRACTICES ARE MUCH LESS STRENUOUS THAN BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON OUT HERE, 366 00:37:06,857 --> 00:37:13,698 YOU KNOW, WEARING A FOOTBALL UNIFORM. >> Wertheim: CONNOR BARTH KICKED FOR FOUR N.F.L. TEAMS OVER A 367 00:37:13,764 --> 00:37:17,735 TEN-YEAR CAREER. >> Connor Barth: I THINK PEOPLE WANT TO BE US DURING PRACTICE, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE SNEAK OFF 368 00:37:17,802 --> 00:37:22,073 FROM CAMP AND PLAY SOME GOLF AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE HIT STARBUCKS. I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU MAKE YOUR 369 00:37:22,139 --> 00:37:24,875 KICKS, NO ONE EVER IS GOING TO WORRY ABOUT YOU. >> Wertheim: I THINK I MISHEARD YOU. 370 00:37:24,942 --> 00:37:28,379 YOU-- YOU DIDN'T REALLY SAY THAT KICKERS SNEAK OFF DURING PRACTICE, TO GO PLAY GOLF AND GO TO STARBUCKS? 371 00:37:28,446 --> 00:37:34,151 >> Barth: I MEAN, YOU COULD ONLY WATCH SO MUCH FILM KICKING, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE A PLAYBOOK WITH 372 00:37:34,218 --> 00:37:38,322 500 PAGES IN IT. SO, YOU GOT SOME DOWNTIME DURING THE DAY. >> Wertheim: BUT IT'S NOT ALL 373 00:37:38,389 --> 00:37:45,262 PAR THREES AND PUMPKIN SPICE LATTE. THERE IS A REAL PRECISION TO KICKING A FIELD GOAL-- AN 374 00:37:45,329 --> 00:37:49,600 EFFICIENT THREE-MAN ASSEMBLY LINE WITH THE SNAPPER AND HOLDER. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FROM THE 375 00:37:49,667 --> 00:37:52,837 SNAP UNTIL YOU'RE BOOTING THAT BALL? >> Tucker: TYPICALLY, 1.3 SECONDS, GIVE OR TAKE SEVERAL 376 00:37:52,903 --> 00:37:58,876 HUNDREDTHS. >> Wertheim: 1.3 SECONDS? THAT'S IT? >> Tucker: 1.3 SECONDS. 377 00:37:58,943 --> 00:38:03,481 >> Wertheim: IF IT'S 1.4, WHAT HAPPENS? >> Tucker: IF IT'S 1.4, YOU RUN THE RISK OF GETTING A KICK 378 00:38:03,547 --> 00:38:10,388 BLOCKED BY AN EDGE RUSH. >> Wertheim: SO, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, AND SOMEONE ELSE IS PUTTING THEIR HAND UP AND 379 00:38:10,454 --> 00:38:15,292 BLOCKING THAT KICK. >> Tucker: EXACTLY. YOU KNOW, THAT MUSCLE MEMORY THAT GETS DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT, 380 00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:20,197 YOU KNOW, YEARS OF PRACTICE, THAT'S WHAT GOES INTO THOSE 1.3 SECONDS, WHEN THEY MATTER THE MOST. 381 00:38:20,264 --> 00:38:25,670 >> Wertheim: WE WERE ALSO SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT TUCKER AND HIS FELLOW KICKERS ARE STRIKING A FOOTBALL UNIQUE TO 382 00:38:25,736 --> 00:38:30,307 THEM. >> Barth: THAT'S DEFINITELY A K- BALL RIGHT THERE. >> Wertheim: A K-BALL. 383 00:38:30,374 --> 00:38:34,445 THE "K" STANDING FOR KICKERS. >> Barth: YOU CAN'T DO TOO MANY CRAZY THINGS, BUT YOU WANT TO TRY TO LIKE, MASH THE BACK OF 384 00:38:34,512 --> 00:38:40,451 THIS BALL, AND BREAK IN THESE SEAMS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. >> Tucker: I CAN'T GO TOO DEEPLY INTO THE TRADE SECRETS THAT THE 385 00:38:40,518 --> 00:38:46,457 MEASURES OUR EQUIPMENT GUYS GO TO, TO PREP THESE FOOTBALLS FOR GAME DAY-- LEGALLY, I SHOULD ADD. 386 00:38:46,524 --> 00:38:51,495 BUT THERE'S A BRUSH THAT HAS BRISTLES ON ONE SIDE, AND THAT'S THE ONLY TOOL THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO USE. 387 00:38:51,562 --> 00:38:58,436 >> Barth: SO, YOU'RE BRUSHING... >> Wertheim: THE BRUSH SMOOTHES THE SIDES OF THE BALL WHERE THE KICKER'S FOOT MAKES IMPACT. 388 00:38:58,502 --> 00:39:02,406 I DON'T THINK MOST FANS REALIZE THAT THE BALL THAT THE QUARTERBACK'S THROWING WITH, IS DIFFERENT FROM THAN THE ONE 389 00:39:02,473 --> 00:39:07,478 YOU'RE KICKING WITH. >> Barth: NO, I MEAN, A K-BALL, QUARTERBACKS DO NOT USE IT. THE REST OF THE POSITION PLAYERS 390 00:39:07,545 --> 00:39:10,915 DO NOT USE THIS BALL. >> Tucker: THE PURPOSE OF THIS BALL IS TO, YOU KNOW, SEND IT TO THE MOON WITH MY FOOT. 391 00:39:10,981 --> 00:39:18,456 SO, ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DO TO LOOSEN UP THE LEATHER, SO WHEN MY FOOT COMPRESSES INTO THE BALL, IT EXPLODES THE OTHER WAY 392 00:39:18,522 --> 00:39:23,094 IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS BALL JUST SIMPLY WOULD NOT. >> Wertheim: YOU TALK ABOUT A SWEET SPOT? 393 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,599 >> Tucker: I TRY TO PICK OUT THE DIMPLES ON THE BALL THAT I'M GOING TO MATCH UP MY FOOT TO. >> Wertheim: REALLY? 394 00:39:28,666 --> 00:39:31,602 THE SPECIFIC DIMPLES? >> Tucker: I-- I TRY TO. >> Wertheim: WOW. OH, GEEZ. 395 00:39:31,669 --> 00:39:38,709 >> Tucker: IT'S A LITTLE EASIER SAID THAN DONE. SO, MAYBE AN INCH UNDER THE CENTER OF THE BALL. 396 00:39:38,776 --> 00:39:46,517 THAT'S WHERE I'M TRYING TO MATCH THAT BONE COMING OFF OF MY BIG TOE ON THE TOP OF MY FOOT. I'M TRYING TO MATCH IT UP TO 397 00:39:46,584 --> 00:39:49,754 ABOUT RIGHT HERE. >> Wertheim: WOW. TELL ME ABOUT YOUR FOOTWEAR, HERE. 398 00:39:49,820 --> 00:39:55,559 CONNOR BARTH LET US IN ON MORE TRIBAL SECRETS. >> Barth: I TAKE, LIKE, A MACHINE AND GRIND IT DOWN SO 399 00:39:55,626 --> 00:39:58,028 THAT MY FRONT CLEATS ARE COMPLETELY FLAT. THAT WAY, WHEN I SWING THROUGH THE BALL, IT KIND OF GLIDES 400 00:39:58,095 --> 00:40:01,298 THROUGH LIKE-- ALMOST LIKE A GOLF CLUB. >> Wertheim: THIS PLANTS AND THIS SLIDES. 401 00:40:01,365 --> 00:40:06,704 >> Barth: THIS ONE SLIDES THROUGH. THIS ONE IS YOUR PLANT SHOE-- THAT KIND OF JUST CATCHES 402 00:40:06,771 --> 00:40:09,974 EVERYTHING, SO THAT YOU STOP AND YOU KICK. >> Wertheim: IT'S LIKE TWO DIFFERENT GARDEN TOOLS. 403 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,712 >> Barth: YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY COOL, IT'S-- >> Wertheim: BARTH'S SHOES ARE NOT JUST MISMATCHED-- THEY'RE 404 00:40:14,779 --> 00:40:17,548 NOT EVEN THE SAME SIZE. >> Barth: I WEAR A SIZE 12. THIS IS A 10.5. >> Wertheim: THAT'S A SIZE AND A 405 00:40:17,615 --> 00:40:22,219 HALF SMALLER THAN WHAT-- >> Barth: MY KICKING SHOE NEEDS TO BE SO MUCH TIGHTER THAN MY REGULAR. 406 00:40:22,286 --> 00:40:27,024 SO, IT'S PRETTY COOL, BUT I THINK MY FOOT'S GOTTEN SMALLER OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN JAMMING MY FOOT INTO A-- 407 00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:32,096 ALMOST TWO TIMES SMALLER SHOE. ( BALL IMPACT ) >> Wertheim: WE MET BARTH ON HIS OLD HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL FIELD 408 00:40:32,163 --> 00:40:43,307 IN WILMINGTON, NORTH CAROLINA. HE WAS WARMING UP BY KICKING 40- YARD FIELD GOALS WITH NO STEP. TRY THAT SOMETIME. 409 00:40:43,374 --> 00:40:51,549 HE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE KICKER'S VULNERABILITY. BARTH MADE 83% OF HIS N.F.L. FIELD GOALS, BUT KICKING FOR THE 410 00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:58,522 CHICAGO BEARS IN NOVEMBER 2017, BARTH ATTEMPTED A GAME-TYING FIELD GOAL AT SOLDIER FIELD WITH EIGHT SECONDS LEFT-- 411 00:40:58,589 --> 00:41:03,928 >> Announcer: NOT EVEN CLOSE! WOW, HOLY MOSES. >> Wertheim: HE WALKED OFF THE FIELD DEJECTED. 412 00:41:03,994 --> 00:41:10,568 THE BEARS FIRED HIM THE NEXT DAY, AND HIS CAREER WAS OVER. DID YOU THINK YOUR CAREER WAS IN JEOPARDY WITH ONE KICK? 413 00:41:10,634 --> 00:41:14,271 >> Barth: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ENDED MY CAREER ON A LITTLE BETTER NOTE, SO... 414 00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:20,811 I'VE NEVER SEEN MORE MIDDLE FINGERS IN THE CROWD ON THE WAY OUT OF THE-- ( LAUGHS ) OF THE ST-- HEY, CHICAGO 415 00:41:20,878 --> 00:41:24,682 BEARS... HEY, CHICAGO FANS ARE THE BEST FANS! ( LAUGHS ) >> Wertheim: NOW, AT AGE 35, 416 00:41:24,748 --> 00:41:30,254 HE'S THINKING OF MAKING A COMEBACK. GIVEN THE CHURN AMONG N.F.L. KICKERS, WHY NOT? 417 00:41:30,321 --> 00:41:35,125 >> Barth: YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN SOME INCONSISTENCIES THIS YEAR WITH KICKERS. WE'LL GO WATCH SOME GAMES AND 418 00:41:35,192 --> 00:41:39,163 I'LL HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE MISSES. AND ALL MY, ALL MY BUDDIES ARE TEXTING, "YOU GOT TO GO BACK." 419 00:41:39,230 --> 00:41:41,198 AND... >> Wertheim: YOU'RE WATCHING FOOTBALL ON SUNDAYS AND THINKING... 420 00:41:41,265 --> 00:41:46,570 >> Barth: YEAH, I COULD MAKE SOME MORE FIELD GOALS, YEAH. >> Wertheim: WITH OUR GAME CLOCK DOWN TO ITS FINAL TICKING, WE 421 00:41:46,637 --> 00:41:51,642 FIGURED IT WAS ONLY FITTING WE SUMMON JUSTIN TUCKER TO TAKE US OUT. >> Tucker: I'LL ASK YOU A 422 00:41:51,709 --> 00:41:56,113 QUESTION. LIKE, HOW AMAZING IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT KICKING FOOTBALLS? 423 00:41:56,180 --> 00:41:59,617 I'M HAVING THE LOVELIEST TIME RIGHT NOW. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S-- IT'S JUST A WILD RIDE. 424 00:41:59,683 --> 00:42:03,687 >> Wertheim: THROUGH THE UPRIGHTS, MAN. >> Tucker: IT'S LIKE THAT-- LIKE THAT OLD COUNTRY SONG, "DROP 425 00:42:03,754 --> 00:42:06,290 KICK ME, JESUS, THROUGH THE GOALPOSTS OF LIFE." ( LAUGHS ) AND HERE WE ARE, JUST LIVING 426 00:42:06,357 --> 00:42:21,338 LIFE, MAN. >> Wertheim: IN THE MAIL THIS WEEK-- VIEWERS' COMMENTS ON LAST SUNDAY'S ONE-HOUR EDITION OF OUR 427 00:42:21,405 --> 00:42:30,414 STORY ABOUT THE "RITCHIE BOYS." THE TALE OF THEIR SECRET WORLD WAR II INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS ELICITED NEAR- UNANIMOUS 428 00:42:30,481 --> 00:42:34,351 RESPONSES, AT A TIME WHEN THE NATION IS OTHERWISE SO DEEPLY DIVIDED. "THIS WAS MOVING, AND SO NEEDED 429 00:42:34,418 --> 00:42:38,889 NOW. THEIR MASSIVE CONTRIBUTIONS AND REMARKABLE STORIES ARE INSPIRING." 430 00:42:38,956 --> 00:42:46,363 "THE MEN YOU INTERVIEWED WERE FASCINATING, INTELLIGENT, AND BRAVE, AND ARE TO BE ADMIRED." AND THEN THERE WAS THIS ABOUT 431 00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:52,970 THE RITCHIE BOYS-- MANY OF WHOM WERE JEWISH REFUGEES WHO HAD ESCAPED FROM NAZI GERMANY. "IT WAS SO WONDERFUL TO HEAR HOW 432 00:42:53,037 --> 00:42:57,841 THEY HAD THE LAST WORD AGAINST HITLER AND THE HORRENDOUS NAZIS." I'M JON WERTHEIM. 433 00:42:57,908 --> 00:43:09,853 WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES." ( TICKING ) Captioning funded by CBS