1 00:00:02,836 --> 00:00:05,839 Captioning funded by CBS and FORD. We go further, so you can. 2 00:00:06,673 --> 00:00:11,244 >> Wertheim: ON THIS SPECIAL EDITION OF "60 MINUTES PRESENTS:" THE RITCHIE BOYS. THINK YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT WORLD 3 00:00:11,311 --> 00:00:18,318 WAR II'S GREATEST HEROES? ( EXPLOSION ) THINK AGAIN. TONIGHT, YOU'LL MEET FOUR 4 00:00:18,385 --> 00:00:26,760 SURVIVING MEMBERS OF A SECRET GROUP CALLED THE RITCHIE BOYS-- 11,000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS, MANY OF THEM JEWS, WHO HAD FLED NAZI 5 00:00:26,826 --> 00:00:32,565 GERMANY AND WERE TRAINED IN ESPIONAGE AND PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE. HOW EFFECTIVE WERE THEY AT 6 00:00:32,632 --> 00:00:38,772 GATHERING INTELLIGENCE? >> THEY WERE INCREDIBLY EFFECTIVE. 60%-PLUS OF THE ACTIONABLE 7 00:00:38,838 --> 00:00:46,880 INTELLIGENCE GATHERED ON THE BATTLEFIELD WAS GATHERED BY RITCHIE BOYS. THEY MADE A MASSIVE CONTRIBUTION 8 00:00:46,946 --> 00:01:00,560 TO ESSENTIALLY EVERY BATTLE THAT THE AMERICANS FOUGHT-- THE ENTIRE SETS OF BATTLES ON THE WESTERN FRONT. 9 00:01:00,627 --> 00:01:05,865 >> Wertheirm: GOOD EVENING. I'M JON WERTHEIM. WELCOME TO "60 MINUTES PRESENTS." 10 00:01:05,932 --> 00:01:12,138 FOR AS CASUALLY AS WE OFTEN TOSS AROUND THE WORD "HERO," SOMETIMES, NO LESSER TERM APPLIES. 11 00:01:12,205 --> 00:01:17,877 TONIGHT, WE'LL INTRODUCE YOU TO MEMBERS OF A SECRET AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE UNIT WHO FOUGHT IN WORLD WAR II. 12 00:01:17,944 --> 00:01:25,185 WHAT'S MOST EXTRAORDINARY ABOUT THIS GROUP? MANY OF THEM WERE GERMAN-BORN JEWS WHO FLED THEIR HOMELAND, 13 00:01:25,251 --> 00:01:30,423 CAME TO AMERICA, AND THEN JOINED THE U.S. ARMY. THEIR MISSION: TO USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THE GERMAN LANGUAGE 14 00:01:30,490 --> 00:01:37,864 AND CULTURE TO RETURN TO EUROPE AND FIGHT NAZISM. THE RITCHIE BOYS, AS THEY WERE KNOWN, TRAINED IN ESPIONAGE AND 15 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:44,737 FRONTLINE INTERROGATION. AND, INCREDIBLY, THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOST OF THE COMBAT INTELLIGENCE GATHERED ON 16 00:01:44,804 --> 00:01:49,843 THE WESTERN FRONT. FOR DECADES, THEY DIDN'T DISCUSS THEIR WORK. FORTUNATELY, SOME OF THE RITCHIE 17 00:01:49,909 --> 00:01:57,717 BOYS ARE STILL AROUND TO TELL THEIR TALES, AND THAT INCLUDES THE LIFE-FORCE THAT IS GUY STERN, AGE 99. 18 00:01:57,784 --> 00:02:07,460 YOU WORK SIX DAYS A WEEK, YOU SWIM EVERY MORNING, YOU LECTURE. ANY SIGNS OF SLOWING DOWN? >> Guy Stern: WELL, I THINK NOT. 19 00:02:07,527 --> 00:02:15,768 ( LAUGHS ) BUT I DON'T RUN AS FAST, I DON'T SWIM AS FAST. BUT I FEEL HAPPY WITH MY TASKS. 20 00:02:15,835 --> 00:02:25,311 >> Wertheim: JUST TWO WEEKS SHY OF TURNING 100, GUY STERN DRIPS WITH VITALITY. HE STILL WORKS SIX DAYS A WEEK-- 21 00:02:25,378 --> 00:02:31,784 AND IF YOU GET UP EARLY ENOUGH, YOU MIGHT CATCH HIM WORKING OUT AT HIS LOCAL PARK IN THE DETROIT SUBURBS. 22 00:02:31,851 --> 00:02:37,924 BUT, ASK HIM ABOUT HIS MOST FORMATIVE EXPERIENCE, AND HE DOESN'T HESITATE. IT WAS HIS SERVICE IN THE 23 00:02:37,991 --> 00:02:45,732 MILITARY DURING WORLD WAR II. WHAT WAS IT LIKE FOR YOU, LEAVING NAZI GERMANY, ESCAPING AS A JEW, AND THE NEXT TIME YOU 24 00:02:45,798 --> 00:02:51,771 GO BACK TO EUROPE, IT'S TO FIGHT THOSE GUYS? WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? >> Stern: I WAS A SOLDIER, DOING 25 00:02:51,838 --> 00:03:01,981 MY JOB, AND THAT PRECLUDED ANY CONCERN THAT I WAS GOING BACK TO A COUNTRY I ONCE WAS VERY ATTACHED TO. 26 00:03:02,048 --> 00:03:09,856 I HAD A WAR TO FIGHT, AND I DID IT. >> Wertheim: THIS IS GUY STERN 80 YEARS AGO. 27 00:03:09,923 --> 00:03:17,764 HE IS AMONG THE LAST SURVIVING RITCHIE BOYS-- A GROUP OF YOUNG MEN, MANY OF THEM GERMAN JEWS, WHO PLAYED AN OUTSIZED ROLE IN 28 00:03:17,830 --> 00:03:22,201 HELPING THE ALLIES WIN WORLD WAR II. THEY TOOK THEIR NAME FROM THE PLACE THEY TRAINED: CAMP 29 00:03:22,268 --> 00:03:29,976 RITCHIE, MARYLAND, A SECRET AMERICAN MILITARY INTELLIGENCE CENTER DURING THE WAR. STARTING IN 1942, MORE THAN 30 00:03:30,043 --> 00:03:37,984 11,000 SOLDIERS WENT THROUGH THE RIGOROUS TRAINING AT WHAT WAS THE ARMY'S FIRST CENTRALIZED SCHOOL FOR INTELLIGENCE AND 31 00:03:38,051 --> 00:03:44,090 PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE. >> David Frey: THE PURPOSE OF THE FACILITY WAS TO TRAIN INTERROGATORS. 32 00:03:44,157 --> 00:03:49,963 THAT WAS THE BIGGEST WEAKNESS THAT THE ARMY RECOGNIZED THAT IT HAD, WHICH WAS BATTLEFIELD INTELLIGENCE, AND THE 33 00:03:50,029 --> 00:03:58,104 INTERROGATION NEEDED TO TALK TO, SOMETIMES CIVILIANS, MOST OF THE TIME PRISONERS OF WAR, IN ORDER TO GLEAN INFORMATION FROM THEM. 34 00:03:58,171 --> 00:04:06,045 >> Wertheim: DAVID FREY IS A PROFESSOR OF HISTORY AND DIRECTOR OF THE CENTER FOR HOLOCAUST STUDIES AT THE U.S. 35 00:04:06,112 --> 00:04:12,018 MILITARY ACADEMY AT WEST POINT. HOW EFFECTIVE WERE THEY AT GATHERING INTELLIGENCE? >> Frey: THEY WERE INCREDIBLY 36 00:04:12,085 --> 00:04:19,692 EFFECTIVE. 60%-PLUS OF THE ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE GATHERED ON THE BATTLEFIELD WAS GATHERED BY 37 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:24,998 RITCHIE BOYS. >> Wertheim: 60% OF THE ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE? >> Frey: YES. 38 00:04:25,064 --> 00:04:31,871 THEY MADE A MASSIVE CONTRIBUTION TO ESSENTIALLY EVERY BATTLE THAT THE AMERICANS FOUGHT. THE ENTIRE SETS OF BATTLES ON 39 00:04:31,938 --> 00:04:37,443 THE WESTERN FRONT. >> Wertheim: RECRUITS WERE CHOSEN BASED ON THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF EUROPEAN LANGUAGE AND 40 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:42,048 CULTURE, AS WELL AS THEIR HIGH I.Q.s. ESSENTIALLY, THEY WERE INTELLECTUALS. 41 00:04:42,115 --> 00:04:50,056 THE LARGEST SET OF GRADUATES WERE 2,000 GERMAN-BORN JEWS. >> Frey: IF WE TAKE CAMP RITCHIE IN MICROCOSM, IT WAS ALMOST THE 42 00:04:50,123 --> 00:04:56,396 IDEAL OF AN AMERICAN MELTING POT. YOU HAD PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL OVER, UNITING FOR A PARTICULAR 43 00:04:56,462 --> 00:05:00,433 CAUSE. >> Wertheim: ALL IN SERVICE OF WINNING THE WAR? >> Frey: ALL IN SERVICE OF 44 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:05,204 WINNING THE WAR. AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT FORGES UNITY BETTER THAN HAVING A COMMON ENEMY. 45 00:05:05,271 --> 00:05:10,143 YOU HAD A WHOLE LOAD OF IMMIGRANTS WHO REALLY WANTED TO GET BACK INTO THE FIGHT. >> Wertheim: IMMIGRANTS LIKE GUY 46 00:05:10,209 --> 00:05:18,117 STERN. HE GREW UP IN A CLOSE-KNIT FAMILY IN THE TOWN OF HILDESHEIM, GERMANY. 47 00:05:18,184 --> 00:05:26,125 WHEN HITLER TOOK POWER IN 1933, STERN SAYS THE CLIMATE GREW INCREASINGLY HOSTILE. >> Stern: MY FELLOW STUDENTS-- 48 00:05:26,192 --> 00:05:32,999 IT WAS AN ALL-MALE SCHOOL-- WITHDREW FROM YOU. >> Wertheim: BECAUSE YOU WERE JEWISH, YOU WERE OSTRACIZED? 49 00:05:33,066 --> 00:05:42,108 >> Stern: THAT IS CORRECT. I WENT TO MY FATHER ONE DAY AND I SAID, "CLASSES ARE BECOMING A TORTURE CHAMBER." 50 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:50,116 >> Wertheim: BY 1937, VIOLENCE AGAINST JEWS WAS ESCALATING. SENSING DANGER, STERN'S FATHER TRIED TO GET THE FAMILY OUT-- 51 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:57,390 BUT THE STERNS COULD ONLY SEND ONE OF THEIR OWN TO THE U.S. THEY CHOSE THEIR ELDEST SON. DO YOU REMEMBER SAYING GOODBYE 52 00:05:57,457 --> 00:06:02,195 TO YOUR FAMILY? >> Stern: YES. >> Wertheim: WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER FROM THAT? 53 00:06:02,261 --> 00:06:10,369 >> Stern: HANDKERCHIEFS. I COULDN'T KNOW AT THAT POINT THAT I WOULD NEVER SEE MY SIBLINGS OR MY PARENTS AGAIN, 54 00:06:10,436 --> 00:06:18,177 NOR MY GRANDMOTHER, AND SO FORTH AND SO ON. >> Wertheim: GUY STERN ARRIVED IN THE U.S. ALONE AT AGE 15, 55 00:06:18,244 --> 00:06:27,987 SETTLING WITH AN UNCLE IN ST. LOUIS. WHEN THE JAPANESE BOMBED PEARL HARBOR IN 1941, STERN, BY THEN A 56 00:06:28,054 --> 00:06:37,764 COLLEGE STUDENT, RACED TO ENLIST. >> Stern: I HAD AN IMMEDIATE, VISCERAL RESPONSE TO THAT, AND 57 00:06:37,830 --> 00:06:46,072 THAT WAS, THIS IS MY WAR FOR MANY REASONS. PERSONAL, OF COURSE, BUT ALSO THIS COUNTRY-- I WAS REALLY 58 00:06:46,139 --> 00:06:54,180 TREATED WELL. >> Wertheim: IN NEW YORK, PAUL FAIRBROOK HAD A SIMILAR IMPULSE. NOW 98, FAIRBROOK IS THE FORMER 59 00:06:54,247 --> 00:07:01,788 DEAN OF THE CULINARY INSTITUTE OF AMERICA. HIS JEWISH FAMILY LEFT GERMANY IN 1933 WHEN HE WAS 10. 60 00:07:01,854 --> 00:07:06,626 WHY DID YOU WANT TO ENLIST, INITIALLY? >> Paul Fairbrook: LOOK, I'M A GERMAN JEW, AND THERE'S NOTHING 61 00:07:06,692 --> 00:07:14,233 THAT I WANTED MORE, IS TO GET SOME REVENGE ON HITLER, WHO KILLED MY UNCLES, AND MY AUNTS, AND MY COUSINS. 62 00:07:14,300 --> 00:07:20,606 AND THERE WAS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND, AND NEITHER OF ALL THE MEN IN CAMP RITCHIE. SO MANY OF THEM WERE JEWISH. 63 00:07:20,673 --> 00:07:26,245 WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH. WE WERE DELIGHTED TO GET A CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE 64 00:07:26,312 --> 00:07:30,650 UNITED STATES. >> Wertheim: AT THE TIME, THOUGH, THE MILITARY WOULDN'T TAKE VOLUNTEERS WHO WEREN'T BORN 65 00:07:30,716 --> 00:07:38,257 IN THE U.S. BUT, WITHIN A FEW MONTHS, THE GOVERNMENT REALIZED THESE SO- CALLED ENEMY ALIENS COULD BE A 66 00:07:38,324 --> 00:07:44,330 VALUABLE RESOURCE IN THE WAR. WHY WERE THE RITCHIE BOYS SO SUCCESSFUL? >> Fairbrook: WELL, BECAUSE IT 67 00:07:44,397 --> 00:07:50,102 WAS AN UNUSUAL PART OF THE UNITED STATES ARMY. YOU CAN LEARN TO SHOOT A RIFLE IN SIX MONTHS, BUT YOU CAN'T 68 00:07:50,169 --> 00:07:54,240 LEARN FLUENT GERMAN IN SIX MONTHS. AND THAT'S WHAT THE KEY TO THE SUCCESS WAS. 69 00:07:54,307 --> 00:08:00,413 >> Wertheirm: WAS IT YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE LANGUAGE OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE PSYCHOLOGY AND THE GERMAN CULTURE? 70 00:08:00,479 --> 00:08:06,319 >> Fairbrook: OH, THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. THAT IS THE KEY TO BEING A GOOD INTERROGATOR. 71 00:08:06,385 --> 00:08:14,327 YOU REALLY KNOW AN AWFUL LOT OF THE SUBTLETIES WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH ANOTHER GERMAN, AND WE WERE ABLE 72 00:08:14,393 --> 00:08:22,201 TO FIND OUT THINGS IN THEIR ANSWERS THAT ENABLED US TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS. YOU REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, 73 00:08:22,268 --> 00:08:30,309 IT HELPS TO HAVE BEEN BORN IN GERMANY IN ORDER TO-- IN ORDER TO DO A GOOD JOB. >> Wertheim: BOTH REFUGEES LIKE 74 00:08:30,376 --> 00:08:37,817 FAIRBROOK AND STERN, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF AMERICAN-BORN RECRUITS WITH REQUISITE LANGUAGE SKILLS, WERE DRAFTED INTO THE 75 00:08:37,884 --> 00:08:45,424 ARMY AND SENT TO CAMP RITCHIE. HOW DID YOU FIND OUT YOU WERE GOING TO GO TO CAMP RITCHIE? >> Stern: I WAS CALLED TO THE 76 00:08:45,491 --> 00:08:52,198 COMPANY OFFICE AND TOLD, "YOU'RE SHIPPING OUT." AND I SAID, "MAY I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING?" 77 00:08:52,265 --> 00:08:57,336 AND HE SAID "NO, MILITARY SECRET." >> Wertheim: THEY SWORE YOU TO SECRECY? 78 00:08:57,403 --> 00:09:02,808 >> Stern: YES >> Wertheim: ORIGINALLY A RESORT, CAMP RITCHIE WAS A CURIOUSLY IDYLLIC SETTING TO 79 00:09:02,875 --> 00:09:10,283 PREPARE FOR THE HARSHNESS AND BRUTALITY OF WAR. NESTLED IN THE BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAINS OF MARYLAND, IT WAS 80 00:09:10,349 --> 00:09:16,255 AWAY FROM PRYING EYES-- AND PRYING SPIES- BUT CLOSE ENOUGH TO DECISION MAKERS AT THE PENTAGON. 81 00:09:16,322 --> 00:09:22,261 GIVE US A SENSE OF THE KINDS OF COURSES THEY TOOK. >> Frey: WELL, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE TRAINING 82 00:09:22,328 --> 00:09:28,267 WAS THAT THEY LEARNED TO DO INTERROGATION, AND IN PARTICULAR OF PRISONERS OF WAR. TECHNIQUES WHERE YOU WANT TO GET 83 00:09:28,334 --> 00:09:34,040 PEOPLE TO TALK TO YOU. YOU WANT TO CONVINCE THEM THAT YOU'RE TRUSTWORTHY. YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM THAT 84 00:09:34,106 --> 00:09:38,377 FEELING THAT YOU KNOW WHO THEY ARE, THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT THEM ALREADY. 85 00:09:38,444 --> 00:09:46,652 SO, WHATEVER INFORMATION THEY'RE GIVING YOU IS INFORMATION THAT YOU PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW. BUT THEY ALSO DID TERRAIN 86 00:09:46,719 --> 00:09:54,160 ANALYSIS, THEY ALSO DID PHOTO ANALYSIS, AND AERIAL RECONNAISSANCE ANALYSIS. THEY DID COUNTERINTELLIGENCE 87 00:09:54,226 --> 00:09:58,264 TRAINING. >> Wertheim: THIS WAS REALLY A BROAD RANGE OF INTELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES. 88 00:09:58,331 --> 00:10:04,270 >> Frey: IT WAS A VERY BROAD RANGE AND THEY DID IT ALL GENERALLY IN EIGHT WEEKS. >> Wertheim: WHAT YOU DESCRIBE, 89 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:10,276 IT ALMOST SOUNDS LIKE THESE WERE PRECURSORS TO C.I.A. AGENTS. >> Frey: THEY WERE, IN FACT. SOME OF THEM WERE TRAINED AS 90 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:16,282 SPIES AND SOME OF THEM WENT ON TO CAREERS AS SPIES. >> Victor Brombert: MY PARENTS WERE PACIFISTS, SO THE IDEA OF 91 00:10:16,349 --> 00:10:26,359 MY GOING TO WAR WAS FOR THEM CALAMITOUS, HOWEVER THEY REALIZED THAT IT WAS A NECESSARY WAR, ESPECIALLY FOR US. 92 00:10:26,425 --> 00:10:33,132 >> Wertheim: VICTOR BROMBERT, NOW 98-YEARS-OLD, IS A FORMER PROFESSOR OF ROMANCE LANGUAGES AND LITERATURE AT YALE, AND THEN 93 00:10:33,199 --> 00:10:38,471 PRINCETON. HE WAS BORN IN BERLIN TO A RUSSIAN JEWISH FAMILY. WHEN HITLER CAME TO POWER, THE 94 00:10:38,537 --> 00:10:46,278 BROMBERTS FLED TO FRANCE, AND THEN TO THE U.S. EAGER TO FIGHT THE NAZIS, HE, TOO, JOINED THE ARMY. 95 00:10:46,345 --> 00:10:52,818 AFTER RECRUITERS FOUND OUT HE SPOKE FOUR LANGUAGES, THEY DISPATCHED HIM TO CAMP RITCHIE, WHERE STRENUOUS CLASSROOM 96 00:10:52,885 --> 00:11:02,762 INSTRUCTION WAS COUPLED WITH STRENUOUS FIELD EXERCISES. >> Brombert: THERE WERE LONG AND DEMANDING EXERCISES AND CLOSE 97 00:11:02,828 --> 00:11:10,336 COMBAT TRAINING. "HOW TO KILL A SENTRY FROM BEHIND." I THOUGHT, "I'M NEVER GOING TO 98 00:11:10,403 --> 00:11:14,874 DO THAT," BUT I WAS SHOWN HOW TO DO IT. >> Wertheim: SO PHYSICAL COMBAT TRAINING AS WELL AS 99 00:11:14,940 --> 00:11:18,811 INTELLIGENCE? >> Brombert: YES, WELL, WITH A STICK. YOU SORT OF SWING IT AROUND THE 100 00:11:18,878 --> 00:11:26,218 NECK FROM BEHIND AND THEN PULL. >> Wertheim: AMONG THE UNUSUAL SIGHTS AT RITCHIE: A TEAM OF U.S. SOLDIERS DRESSED IN GERMAN 101 00:11:26,285 --> 00:11:32,525 UNIFORMS. THE RITCHIE BOYS TRAINED FOR WAR AGAINST THESE FAKE GERMANS WITH FAKE GERMAN TANKS MADE OUT OF 102 00:11:32,591 --> 00:11:40,199 WOOD. ANOTHER UNUSUAL SIGHT: TOWERING OVER RECRUITS, FRANK LEAVITT, A WORLD WAR I VETERAN AND PRO 103 00:11:40,266 --> 00:11:46,338 WRESTLING STAR AT THE TIME, WAS AMONG THE INSTRUCTORS. TRAINING WAS DESIGNED TO BE AS REALISTIC AS POSSIBLE. 104 00:11:46,405 --> 00:11:52,912 THE RITCHIE BOYS PRACTICED STREET FIGHTING IN LIFE-SIZE REPLICAS OF GERMAN VILLAGES, AND QUESTIONED MOCK CIVILIANS IN 105 00:11:52,978 --> 00:12:01,020 FULL SCALE GERMAN HOMES. SOME OF THE PRISONERS WERE ACTUAL GERMAN P.O.W.s BROUGHT TO CAMP RITCHIE SO THE RITCHIE BOYS 106 00:12:01,087 --> 00:12:06,459 COULD PRACTICE THEIR INTERROGATION TECHNIQUES. I UNDERSTAND YOU, YOU HAD SPARRING PARTNERS. 107 00:12:06,525 --> 00:12:13,966 YOU PLAYACTED-- >> Brombert: ONE HAD TO PLAYACT WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE WERE ACTING AS PRISONERS AND SOME OF 108 00:12:14,033 --> 00:12:20,873 THEM WERE REAL PRISONERS. >> Wertheim: BY THE SPRING OF 1944, THE RITCHIE BOYS WERE READY TO RETURN TO WESTERN 109 00:12:20,940 --> 00:12:28,414 EUROPE, THIS TIME AS NATURALIZED AMERICANS IN AMERICAN UNIFORMS. STILL, IF THEY WERE CAPTURED, THEY KNEW WHAT THE NAZIS WOULD 110 00:12:28,481 --> 00:12:37,089 DO TO THEM. SOME OF THEM REQUESTED NEW DOG TAGS, WITH VERY GOOD REASON. THIS DOG TAG SAYS HEBREW. 111 00:12:37,156 --> 00:12:42,528 DID YOUR DOG TAG IDENTIFY YOU AS JEWISH? >> Stern: I PREFERRED NOT HAVING IT. 112 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:46,632 I ASKED THEM TO LEAVE IT OFF >> Wertheim: YOU DIDN'T WANT TO BE IDENTIFIED AS JEWISH GOING BACK TO WESTERN EUROPE. 113 00:12:46,699 --> 00:12:58,410 >> Stern: NO BECAUSE I KNEW THAT THE CONTACT WITH GERMANS MIGHT NOT BE VERY NICE. >> Wertheim: ON JUNE 6, 1944, D- 114 00:12:58,477 --> 00:13:06,585 DAY, THE ALLIES LAUNCHED ONE OF THE MOST SWEEPING MILITARY OPERATIONS IN HISTORY. A MIGHTY ONSLAUGHT OF MORE THAN 115 00:13:06,652 --> 00:13:18,564 160,000 MEN, 13,000 AIRCRAFT, AND 5,000 VESSELS. >> Stern: WE WERE ON A P.T. BOAT TAKING OFF FROM SOUTHAMPTON. 116 00:13:18,631 --> 00:13:26,572 AND WE ALL WERE SCARED. WE WERE BRIEFED THAT THE GERMANS WERE NOT GOING TO WELCOME US GREATLY. 117 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:34,480 AS A JEW, I KNEW I MIGHT NOT BE TREATED EXACTLY BY THE GENEVA RULES. >> Wertheim: DIVIDED INTO SIX- 118 00:13:34,547 --> 00:13:40,486 MAN TEAMS, THE RITCHIE BOYS WERE ATTACHED TO DIFFERENT ARMY UNITS. THEIR JOB: TO PROVIDE 119 00:13:40,553 --> 00:13:46,692 BATTLEFIELD INTELLIGENCE. WHEN THEY LANDED ON THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY, WEHRMACHT TROOPS WERE WAITING FOR THEM, WELL- 120 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:54,567 ARMED AND WELL PREPARED. VICTOR BROMBERT WAS WITH THE FIRST AMERICAN ARMORED DIVISION TO LAND ON OMAHA BEACH. 121 00:13:54,633 --> 00:14:02,007 HE IS STILL HAUNTED BY WHAT HE EXPERIENCED THAT DAY. >> Brombert: I SAW IMMENSE DEBRIS. 122 00:14:02,074 --> 00:14:10,382 WOUNDED PEOPLE. DEAD PEOPLE. I REMEMBER BEING UP ON A CLIFF THE FIRST NIGHT OVER OMAHA 123 00:14:10,449 --> 00:14:18,657 BEACH. AND WE WERE STRAFED AND I SAID TO MYSELF, UH, "NOW, IT'S THE END," BECAUSE I COULD- YOU COULD 124 00:14:18,724 --> 00:14:25,998 FEEL THE MACHINE GUN BULLETS. >> Wertheim: IS THAT WHEN YOU FIRST REALIZE- I'M- I'M IN A WAR HERE? 125 00:14:26,065 --> 00:14:33,973 >> Brombert: YES, I REALIZED THAT I WAS AFRAID. I NEVER CALCULATED THAT THERE IS SUCH A THING AS TERROR, FEAR. 126 00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:40,179 SO, I EXPERIENCED VISCERALLY, FEAR. >> Wertheim: ON THE FRONT LINES FROM NORMANDY ONWARDS, THE 127 00:14:40,246 --> 00:14:46,185 RITCHIE BOYS FOUGHT IN EVERY MAJOR BATTLE IN EUROPE, COLLECTING TACTICAL INTELLIGENCE, INTERROGATING 128 00:14:46,252 --> 00:14:52,524 PRISONERS AND CIVILIANS, ALL IN SERVICE OF WINNING THE WAR. WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL HEAR ABOUT SOME OF THE SURPRISING 129 00:14:52,591 --> 00:15:03,002 WAYS THEY FORGED CONNECTIONS WITH THE ENEMY IN ORDER TO EXTRACT STRATEGIC INFORMATION. 130 00:15:04,903 --> 00:15:12,311 >> Wertheim: IN 1944, THE RITCHIE BOYS HEADED TO EUROPE TO FIGHT IN A WAR THAT WAS FOR THEM, INTENSELY PERSONAL. 131 00:15:12,378 --> 00:15:18,917 THEY WERE MEMBERS OF A SECRET GROUP WHOSE MASTERY OF THE GERMAN LANGUAGE AND CULTURE HELPED THEM PROVIDE BATTLEFIELD 132 00:15:18,984 --> 00:15:26,191 INTELLIGENCE THAT PROVED PIVOTAL TO THE ALLIES' VICTORY. THE RITCHIE BOYS LANDED ON THE BEACHES OF NORMANDY ON D-DAY, 133 00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:31,063 AND HELPED LIBERATE PARIS. THEY CROSSED INTO GERMANY WITH THE ALLIED ARMIES AND WITNESSED THE HORRORS OF THE NAZI 134 00:15:31,130 --> 00:15:38,304 CONCENTRATION CAMPS. ALL THE WHILE, THEY TRACKED DOWN EVIDENCE AND INTERROGATED NAZI CRIMINALS, LATER TRIED AT 135 00:15:38,370 --> 00:15:46,812 NUREMBERG. IT WAS ALSO IN EUROPE THAT SOME OF THEM, LIKE GUY STERN, LEARNED WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THE 136 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:51,083 FAMILIES THEY LEFT BEHIND. >> THIS IS IT. THEY'RE ON THE BEACH. >> Wertheim: BY THE SUMMER OF 137 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:58,424 1944, GERMAN TROOPS IN NORMANDY WERE OUTNUMBERED AND OVERPOWERED. THE ALLIES LIBERATED PARIS IN 138 00:15:58,490 --> 00:16:04,463 AUGUST. >> THE DATE WAS AUGUST 25. >> Wertheim: AND DROVE NAZI TROOPS OUT OF FRANCE. 139 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:10,903 BUT HITLER WAS DETERMINED TO CONTINUE THE WAR. IN THE ARDENNES REGION OF BELGIUM, THE GERMANS MOUNTED A 140 00:16:10,969 --> 00:16:16,909 MASSIVE COUNTEROFFENSIVE, WHICH BECAME KNOWN AS "THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE." I SEE A TENT IN THE BACKGROUND 141 00:16:16,975 --> 00:16:21,847 OF THAT PHOTO RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU. >> Stern: YES, THAT'S MY INTERROGATION TENT. 142 00:16:21,914 --> 00:16:25,718 >> Wertheim: SO, THIS IS YOU ON THE JOB. YOU'RE IN BELGIUM? >> Stern: YES, DOING MY JOB 143 00:16:25,784 --> 00:16:30,989 INTERROGATING. RIGHT. >> Wertheim: AMID THE CHAOS OF WAR, GUY STERN AND THE OTHER 144 00:16:31,056 --> 00:16:38,964 RITCHIE BOYS HAD A JOB TO DO. EMBEDDED IN EVERY ARMY UNIT, THEY INTERROGATED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CAPTURED NAZI 145 00:16:39,031 --> 00:16:46,872 SOLDIERS AS WELL AS CIVILIANS, EXTRACTING KEY STRATEGIC INFORMATION ON ENEMY STRENGTH, TROOP MOVEMENTS, AND DEFENSIVE 146 00:16:46,939 --> 00:16:52,878 POSITIONS. THEY THEN TYPED UP THEIR DAILY REPORTS IN THE FIELD TO BE PASSED UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND. 147 00:16:52,945 --> 00:17:03,055 >> Brombert: OUR INTERROGATIONS, IT HAD TO DO WITH TACTICAL IMMEDIATE CONCERNS. AND THAT'S WHY CIVILIANS COULD 148 00:17:03,122 --> 00:17:10,262 BE USEFUL AND SOLDIERS COULD BE USEFUL. "WHERE IS THE MINEFIELD?" VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU SAVE 149 00:17:10,329 --> 00:17:16,935 LIFE IF YOU KNOW WHERE THE MINE. "WHERE IS THE MACHINE GUN NEST?" "HOW MANY MACHINE GUNS DO YOU HAVE THERE?" 150 00:17:17,002 --> 00:17:23,208 "WHERE ARE YOUR RESERVE UNITS?" AND IF YOU DON'T GET IT FROM ONE PRISONER, YOU MIGHT GET IT FROM THE OTHER. 151 00:17:23,275 --> 00:17:30,716 >> Wertheim: 98-YEAR-OLD VICTOR BROMBERT SAYS THEY RELIED ON THIR CAMP RITCHIE TRAINING TO GET PEOPLE TO OPEN UP. 152 00:17:30,783 --> 00:17:38,490 >> Brombert: WE IMPROVISED ACCORDING TO THE SITUATION, ACCORDING TO THE KIND OF UNIT, ACCORDING TO THE KIND OF PERSON 153 00:17:38,557 --> 00:17:46,965 WE WERE INTERROGATING. BUT CERTAINLY WHAT DID NOT WORK WAS VIOLENCE OR THREAT OF VIOLENCE. 154 00:17:47,032 --> 00:17:53,839 NEVER. WHAT DID WORK IS COMPLICITY. >> Wertheim: WHAT-- WHAT DO YOU MEAN? 155 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:58,477 >> Brombert: BY COMPLICITY I MEAN, "OH, WE ARE TOGETHER IN THIS WAR. YOU ON ONE SIDE AND WE ON THIS 156 00:17:58,544 --> 00:18:05,050 SIDE. ISN'T IT A MISERABLE THING? AREN'T WE ALL, SORT OF, TIRED OF IT?" 157 00:18:05,117 --> 00:18:09,621 >> Wertheim: THE SHARED EXPERIENCE? >> Brombert: THE SHARED EXPERIENCE, EXACTLY. 158 00:18:09,688 --> 00:18:17,029 GIVING OUT SOME CIGARETTES ALSO HELPS A LOT. A FRIENDLY APPROACH. TRYING TO BE HUMAN. 159 00:18:17,095 --> 00:18:23,035 >> Wertheim: THE RITCHIE BOYS CONNECTED WITH PRISONERS ON SUBJECTS AS VARIED AS FOOD AND SOCCER RIVALRIES, BUT THEY 160 00:18:23,101 --> 00:18:29,575 WEREN'T ABOVE USING DECEPTION ON DIFFICULT TARGETS. THE RITCHIE BOYS DISCOVERED THAT THE NAZIS WERE TERRIFIED OF 161 00:18:29,641 --> 00:18:38,250 ENDING UP IN RUSSIAN CAPTIVITY, AND THEY USED THAT TO GREAT EFFECT. IF A GERMAN P.O.W. WOULDN'T 162 00:18:38,317 --> 00:18:47,593 TALK, HE MIGHT FACE GUY STERN DRESSED UP AS A RUSSIAN OFFICER. >> Stern: I HAD MY WHOLE UNIFORM WITH MEDALS, RUSSIAN MEDALS, AND 163 00:18:47,659 --> 00:18:55,100 I GAVE MYSELF THE NAME "COMMISSAR KRUKOV." >> Wertheim: THAT'S WHAT YOU CALLED YOURSELF? 164 00:18:55,167 --> 00:19:00,706 >> Stern: THAT WAS MY PSEUDONYM. >> Wertheim: HOW DID YOU DO COMMISSAR? >> Stern: THANK YOU FOR ASKING. 165 00:19:00,772 --> 00:19:11,116 ( LAUGHS ) I GAVE MYSELF ALL THE ACCOUTERMENTS OF LOOKING LIKE A FIERCE RUSSIAN COMMISSAR. 166 00:19:11,183 --> 00:19:23,095 AND SOME WE DIDN'T BREAK, BUT 80% WERE SO DARNED SCARED OF THE RUSSIANS AND WHAT THEY WOULD DO. >> Wertheim: SO, THERE'S A REAL 167 00:19:23,161 --> 00:19:33,372 ELEMENT OF COSTUMES AND DECEPTION AND ACCENTS. >> Stern: YES, AND IT'S THEATRICS IN A WAY, YES. 168 00:19:33,438 --> 00:19:39,177 >> Wertheim: THEIR SUBJECTS RANGED FROM LOW LEVEL GERMAN SOLDIERS TO HIGH RANKING NAZI OFFICERS, INCLUDING HANS 169 00:19:39,244 --> 00:19:47,119 GOEBBELS, BROTHER OF HITLER'S CHIEF PROPOGANDIST, JOSEPH GOEBBELS. ANOTHER BIT OF INDISPENSABLE 170 00:19:47,185 --> 00:19:55,193 RITCHIE BOY HANDIWORK: THE ORDER OF BATTLE OF THE GERMAN ARMY. PAUL FAIRBROOK HELPED WRITE THIS COMPACT MANUAL, KNOWN AS "THE 171 00:19:55,260 --> 00:20:03,168 RED BOOK," WHICH OUTLINED IN GREAT DETAIL THE MAKEUP OF VIRTUALLY EVERY NAZI UNIT, INFORMATION EVERY RITCHIE BOY 172 00:20:03,235 --> 00:20:07,506 COMMITTED TO MEMORY. >> Fairbrook: WHEN THE SOLDIERS SAID, "I'M NOT GOING TO TALK," THEY COULD SAY, "WAIT A MINUTE. 173 00:20:07,573 --> 00:20:13,712 I KNOW ALL ABOUT YOU. LOOK, I GOT A BOOK HERE AND IT TELLS ME THAT YOU WERE HERE AND YOU WENT THERE AND YOUR BOSS WAS 174 00:20:13,779 --> 00:20:17,316 THIS." AND THEY WERE IMPRESSED WITH THAT >> Wertheim: SO, IT SOUNDS LIKE 175 00:20:17,382 --> 00:20:25,157 THIS GAVE THE OFFICERS IN THE FIELD A GUIDE TO THE GERMAN ARMY SO THEY COULD THEN INTERROGATE THE GERMAN P.O.W.s MORE 176 00:20:25,223 --> 00:20:29,094 EFFICIENTLY. >> Fairbrook: THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. >> Wertheim: THE RITCHIE BOYS 177 00:20:29,161 --> 00:20:37,869 EARNED A REPUTATION FOR DELIVERING IMPORTANT TACTICAL INFORMATION FAST, MAKING A MAJOR CONTRIBUTION TO EVERY BATTLE ON 178 00:20:37,936 --> 00:20:43,175 THE WESTERN FRONT. >> Frey: THE WORK THEY DO IN THE FIELD, BEING ABLE TO GLEAN INFORMATION SIMPLY BY, FROM THE 179 00:20:43,241 --> 00:20:51,450 UNIFORM THAT A CAPTURED P.O.W. IS WEARING OR THE TYPE OF WEAPON THAT THEY HAVE OR THE UNIT THAT THEY'VE JUST CAPTURED. 180 00:20:51,516 --> 00:20:59,324 THAT INFORMATION IS OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE BECAUSE IT TELLS YOU WHERE CERTAIN UNITS ARE, AND IF YOU KNOW WHERE CERTAIN UNITS 181 00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:05,163 ARE, YOU KNOW WHERE THE WEAK SPOTS ARE. YOU KNOW WHERE THE STRONG POINTS ARE, AND YOU KNOW YOU WHAT TO 182 00:21:05,230 --> 00:21:11,803 AVOID AND WHAT TO ATTACK. >> Wertheim: DAVID FREY TEACHES HISTORY TO CADETS AT THE U.S. MILITARY ACADEMY AT WEST POINT. 183 00:21:11,870 --> 00:21:18,276 >> Frey: THIS IS WHERE THE HAVING AN INTELLIGENCE OFFICER FROM CAMP RITCHIE WAS OF CRITICAL IMPORTANCE, BECAUSE 184 00:21:18,343 --> 00:21:23,181 THEY WOULD KNOW THIS INFORMATION. YOUR AVERAGE COMMANDER IN THE FIELD MIGHT NOT. 185 00:21:23,248 --> 00:21:29,187 >> Wertheim: THEIR WORK SAVED LIVES? >> Frey: ABSOLUTELY. THEY CERTAINLY SAVED LIVES. 186 00:21:29,254 --> 00:21:35,527 I THINK THAT'S QUANTIFIABLE. PART OF WHAT THE RITCHIE BOYS DID WAS TO CONVINCE GERMAN UNITS TO SURRENDER WITHOUT FIGHTING. 187 00:21:35,594 --> 00:21:39,264 >> Wertheim: AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT SOME OF THAT ORIGINATED AT CAMP RITCHIE? >> Frey: MUCH OF IT ORIGINATED 188 00:21:39,331 --> 00:21:45,103 AT CAMP RITCHIE BECAUSE IT HAD NEVER- IT HADN'T BEEN DONE BEFORE. HOW DO YOU APPEAL TO PEOPLE IN 189 00:21:45,170 --> 00:21:51,109 THEIR OWN LANGUAGE? KNOWING HOW TO SHAPE THAT APPEAL WAS PRETTY CRITICAL TO THE SUCCESS OF THE MOBILE BROADCAST 190 00:21:51,176 --> 00:21:57,382 UNITS. >> Wertheim: IN TRUCKS EQUIPPED WITH LOUDSPEAKERS, RITCHIE BOYS WENT TO THE FRONT LINES UNDER 191 00:21:57,449 --> 00:22:04,990 HEAVY FIRE, AND TRIED, IN GERMAN, TO PERSUADE THEIR NAZI COUNTERPARTS TO SURRENDER. THEY ALSO DRAFTED AND DROPPED 192 00:22:05,057 --> 00:22:10,262 LEAFLETS FROM AIRPLANES BEHIND ENEMY LINES. >> Wertheim: THIS WAS ONE OF THE LEAFLETS THAT WAS DROPPED OUT. 193 00:22:10,328 --> 00:22:19,304 >> Stern: OUT OF A PLANE. I HAVE SOME THAT WERE SHOT. THIS ONE WAS OUR MOST EFFECTIVE LEAFLET. 194 00:22:19,371 --> 00:22:29,247 AND WHY WAS THAT? BECAUSE EISENHOWER HAD SIGNED IT AND THE GERMANS HAD AN INCREDIBLY NAIÏVE APPROACH TO 195 00:22:29,314 --> 00:22:36,621 EVERYTHING THAT WAS SIGNED AND SEALED. >> Wertheim: AND YOU THINK BECAUSE IT HAD THAT SIGNATURE, 196 00:22:36,688 --> 00:22:43,295 SOMEHOW THAT CERTIFIED IT. >> Stern: YES, THAT CARRIED WEIGHT, AND THE BELIEF IN THE PRINTED MATTER WAS VERY GREAT. 197 00:22:43,361 --> 00:22:47,399 >> Wertheim: THAT'S THE KIND OF THING YOU WOULD KNOW. >> Stern: YES. >> Wertheim: AS A FORMER GERMAN 198 00:22:47,466 --> 00:22:52,838 WHO UNDERSTOOD THE PSYCHOLOGY AND THE MENTALITY. >> Stern: THAT'S CORRECT. >> Wertheim: APART FROM THE 199 00:22:52,904 --> 00:22:58,310 FIGHTING, THERE WERE OTHER THREATS CONFRONTING THE RITCHIE BOYS. GIVEN THEIR FOREIGN ACCENTS, 200 00:22:58,376 --> 00:23:03,615 THEY WERE IN PARTICULAR DANGER OF BEING MISTAKEN FOR THE ENEMY BY THEIR OWN TROOPS, WHO INSTITUTED PASSWORDS AT 201 00:23:03,682 --> 00:23:10,122 CHECKPOINTS. >> Brombert: WHAT HAPPENED TO ONE OF THE RITCHIE BOYS-- AT NIGHT ON THE WAY TO THE LATRINE, 202 00:23:10,188 --> 00:23:14,526 HE WAS ASKED FOR A PASSWORD AND HE GAVE THE NAME, THE WORD FOR THE PASSWORD, BUT WITH A GERMAN ACCENT. 203 00:23:14,593 --> 00:23:18,697 HE WAS SHOT RIGHT AWAY AND KILLED. >> Wertheim: DID YOU EVER WORRY YOUR ACCENT MIGHT GET YOU 204 00:23:18,764 --> 00:23:26,705 KILLED? >> Brombert: YES, OF COURSE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T TALK LIKE AN ALABAMA PERSON OR A TEXAN. 205 00:23:26,772 --> 00:23:31,977 >> Wertheim: SOME RITCHIE BOYS WERE RECRUITED TO GO ON SECRET MISSIONS DURING THE WAR. 97-YEAR-OLD MAX LERNER, AN 206 00:23:32,043 --> 00:23:39,384 AUSTRIAN JEW FLUENT IN GERMAN AND FRENCH, SERVED AS A SPECIAL AGENT WITH THE COUNTERINTELLIGENCE CORPS, 207 00:23:39,451 --> 00:23:46,091 PASSING INFORMATION TO FRENCH UNDERGROUND RESISTANCE GROUPS. YOU WERE TRAINED AS A SPY? >> Max Lerner: YES. 208 00:23:46,158 --> 00:23:53,165 >> Wertheim: WHAT WERE YOU TRAINED TO DO? >> Lerner: WEAR CIVILIAN CLOTHES, PASS MESSAGES, KILL. 209 00:23:53,231 --> 00:23:59,337 >> Wertheim: THIS IS GOING BEHIND ENEMY LINES. I MEAN, THIS IS YOU'RE TAKING YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS HERE. 210 00:23:59,404 --> 00:24:05,410 >> Lerner: WELL, IT WAS A WAR. >> Wertheim: THAT'S HOW YOU LOOKED AT IT. >> Lerner: IT WAS MY WAR. 211 00:24:05,477 --> 00:24:13,185 AND I NEEDED TO GET MY OWN BACK. I WANTED DESPERATELY TO DO SOMETHING. >> Wertheim: AT ONE POINT, MAX 212 00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:19,457 LERNER DISGUISED HIMSELF AS A GERMAN OFFICER AND SNUCK BEHIND ENEMY LINES, LEADING A TEAM OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS INTO A GERMAN 213 00:24:19,524 --> 00:24:26,298 DEPOT AT NIGHT AND DESTROYING THE EQUIPMENT. DID YOU WORRY WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN IF YOU WERE CAPTURED? 214 00:24:26,364 --> 00:24:29,768 >> Lerner: I WASN'T SMART ENOUGH. >> Wertheim: WHAT DO YOU SUSPECT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED? 215 00:24:29,835 --> 00:24:35,407 >> Lerner: OH, I WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED. >> Wertheim: BY THE SPRING OF 1945, ALLIED FORCES NEARED 216 00:24:35,473 --> 00:24:42,714 BERLIN AND HITLER TOOK HIS LIFE IN HIS UNDERGROUND BUNKER. GERMANY SURRENDERED ON MAY 8 OF THAT YEAR. 217 00:24:42,781 --> 00:24:50,589 WHAT DO YOU REMEMBER FEELING THAT DAY? >> Stern: ELATED. IT WAS ABSOLUTELY, "WE WON, 218 00:24:50,655 --> 00:24:55,460 KID!" (.LAUGHS ) >> Wertheim: AND THOSE ARE YOUR, THOSE ARE YOUR COMRADES? 219 00:24:55,527 --> 00:24:59,364 >> Stern: YES. >> Wertheim: THOSE ARE YOUR GUYS. >> Stern: YES. 220 00:24:59,431 --> 00:25:07,505 >> Wertheim: BUT JOY TURNED TO HORROR AS ALLIED SOLDIERS AND THE WORLD LEARNED THE FULL SCALE OF THE NAZI MASS EXTERMINATION. 221 00:25:07,572 --> 00:25:15,480 GUY STERN RECALLS ARRIVING AT BUCHENWALD CONCENTRATION CAMP THREE DAYS AFTER ITS LIBERATION, ALONGSIDE A FELLOW AMERICAN 222 00:25:15,547 --> 00:25:26,024 SERGEANT. >> Stern: WE WERE WALKING ALONG AND YOU SAW THESE EMACIATED, HORRIBLY LOOKING, CLOSE TO DEATH 223 00:25:26,091 --> 00:25:37,569 PEOPLE. AND SO, I FELL BACK BEHIND, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE SEEN CRYING TO A HARDENED SOLDIER, 224 00:25:37,636 --> 00:25:51,516 AND THEN HE LOOKED AROUND TO LOOK WHERE I WAS, HOW I WAS DELAYED, AND HE, THIS GOOD FELLOW FROM MIDDLE OF OHIO, WAS 225 00:25:51,583 --> 00:25:59,457 BAWLING JUST AS I WAS. >> Wertheim: A FEW DAYS LATER, STERN RETURNED TO THE PLACE OF HIS BIRTH, HOPING TO REUNITE 226 00:25:59,524 --> 00:26:07,565 WITH HIS FAMILY. BUT HILDESHEIM WAS NOW IN RUINS. A CHILDHOOD FRIEND DESCRIBED TO STERN HOW HIS PARENTS, YOUNGER 227 00:26:07,632 --> 00:26:15,340 BROTHER AND SISTER HAD BEEN FORCED FROM THEIR HOME AND DEPORTED. >> Stern: THEY WERE KILLED 228 00:26:15,407 --> 00:26:23,415 EITHER IN WARSAW OR IN AUSCHWITZ. NONE OF MY FAMILY SURVIVED. I WAS THE ONLY ONE TO GET OUT. 229 00:26:23,481 --> 00:26:29,521 >> Wertheim: DID YOU EVER ASK YOURSELF, "WHY ME?" WHY WERE YOU THE ONE THAT MADE IT TO THE UNITED STATES? 230 00:26:29,587 --> 00:26:43,568 >> Stern: YES, EVEN LAST NIGHT. AND I SAID "WELL, HUH, IN SLANG, THERE AIN'T NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT YOU, BUT IF YOU WERE 231 00:26:43,635 --> 00:26:55,580 SAVED, YOU GOT TO SHOW THAT YOU WERE WORTHY OF IT. AND THAT HAS BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE IN MY LIFE. 232 00:26:55,647 --> 00:27:03,555 >> Wertheim: AS A WAY TO HONOR YOUR FAMILY THAT PERISHED. >> Stern: YEAH. >> Wertheim: AFTER THE GERMAN 233 00:27:03,621 --> 00:27:11,162 ARMY'S SURRENDER, GUY STERN AND THE OTHER RITCHIE BOYS TOOK ON A NEW ASSIGNMENT: HUNTING DOWN TOP NAZI OFFICERS RESPONSIBLE FOR 234 00:27:11,229 --> 00:27:16,101 THE ATROCITIES THAT KILLED SO MANY, INCLUDING MANY OF THEIR LOVED ONES. WHEN WE COME BACK, WE'LL HEAR 235 00:27:16,167 --> 00:27:23,608 ABOUT SOME OF THE SURPRISING WAYS GUY STERN AND THE OTHER RITCHIE BOYS WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY SUSPECTED NAZI WAR 236 00:27:23,675 --> 00:27:34,552 CRIMINALS, MANY OF WHOM LATER STOOD TRIAL FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AT NUREMBERG. ( TICKING ) 237 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:44,162 ( TICKING ) >> Wertheim: THE RITCHIE BOYS WERE MEMBERS OF A SECRET AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE GROUP 238 00:27:44,229 --> 00:27:50,935 WHOSE MASTERY OF THE GERMAN LANGUAGE AND CULTURE PROVED CRITICAL TO THE ALLIES' VICTORY OVER HITLER. 239 00:27:51,002 --> 00:27:58,343 MANY OF THEM WERE JEWISH REFUGEES FROM EUROPE, WHO FLED THEIR HOMELAND, CAME TO AMERICA AND JOINED THE U.S. ARMY. 240 00:27:58,410 --> 00:28:05,850 AFTER HITLER'S DEFEAT, MANY OF THEM TOOK ON A CHALLENGING NEW ASSIGNMENT: USING THEIR LANGUAGE AND INTERROGATION SKILLS TO FIND 241 00:28:05,917 --> 00:28:11,756 AND ARREST TOP NAZI WAR CRIMINALS. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE GREATEST CONTRIBUTION OF THE 242 00:28:11,823 --> 00:28:23,902 RITCHIE BOYS? >> Stern: I THINK IT WAS THE CONTINUOUS FLOW OF RELIABLE INFORMATION THAT REALLY HELPED 243 00:28:23,968 --> 00:28:31,910 EXPEDITE THE END OF THE WAR. >> Wertheim: THIS HAD A REAL MATERIAL IMPACT ON WORLD WAR II. >> Stern: YES 244 00:28:31,976 --> 00:28:39,984 >> Wertheim: FOR 99-YEAR-OLD GUY STERN, A GERMAN JEW WHOSE ENTIRE FAMILY WAS KILLED BY THE NAZIS, THE ALLIES' VICTORY OVER HITLER 245 00:28:40,051 --> 00:28:47,892 WAS THE CULMINATION OF A PUBLIC CRUSADE AND A PRIVATE ONE AS WELL. >> Stern: DEFEATING THE 246 00:28:47,959 --> 00:29:03,441 WEHRMACHT AND THE WAFFEN S.S. AND ALL THE FANCY TROOPS THEY HAD WAS A SATISFACTION BOTH AS A TEAM MEMBER AND AS A PERSONAL 247 00:29:03,508 --> 00:29:15,587 SATISFACTION. THE VERY ASPECT OF THESE S.O.B.s NOW BEING AT MY COMMAND-- ( LAUGHS ) 248 00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:21,926 GAVE ME ALSO SOME PERSONAL SATISFACTION. >> Wertheim: AFTER GERMANY'S SURRENDER, THE RITCHIE BOYS TOOK 249 00:29:21,993 --> 00:29:27,999 ON THE DIFFICULT TASK OF IDENTIFYING AND TRACKING DOWN NAZI CRIMINALS. LONGTIME YALE AND PRINCETON 250 00:29:28,066 --> 00:29:38,176 PROFESSOR VICTOR BROMBERT HELPED ENACT THE OFFICIAL ALLIED POLICY OF REMOVING NAZI INFLUENCE FROM GERMAN PUBLIC LIFE, KNOWN AS DE- 251 00:29:38,243 --> 00:29:46,851 NAZIFICATION. SO, IN MAY OF 1945, GERMANY SURRENDERS, AND YOU'RE ASSIGNED TO THE DE-NAZIFICATION PROCESS. 252 00:29:46,918 --> 00:29:55,994 WHAT- WHAT DID THAT ENTAIL? >> Brombert: WE WERE SUPPOSED TO ARREST IMPORTANT NAZI OFFICIALS, NOT JUST ANY NAZI PARTY MEMBER. 253 00:29:56,060 --> 00:30:05,970 IT WAS VERY, VERY HARD, VERY DIFFICULT AND VERY RARE TO HAVE A GERMAN DENOUNCE ANOTHER GERMAN AT THAT POINT. 254 00:30:06,037 --> 00:30:15,246 NOW IS IT BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THAT THE NAZIS MIGHT COME BACK, THAT IT'S NOT OVER? OR IS IT JUST A HABIT OR HABIT 255 00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:22,420 OF OBEDIENCE OR DIGNITY? I DON'T KNOW. AND AT GREAT EFFORT WE FOUND PEOPLE, WE ARRESTED THEM, WE 256 00:30:22,487 --> 00:30:28,493 WERE PROUD OF DOING THAT. >> Wertheim: AS PART OF DE- NAZIFICATION, PHOTOS OF NAZI ATROCITIES WERE POSTED IN GERMAN 257 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:37,936 SHOP WINDOWS AND RITCHIE BOYS LED THE COUNTRY'S CITIZENS ON TOURS OF THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS TO EDUCATE THE LOCAL POPULATION 258 00:30:38,002 --> 00:30:43,975 ABOUT THE EVIL HITLER HAD PERPETRATED. SOMETIMES ENTIRE GERMAN TOWNS WERE FORCED TO PAY RESPECTS TO 259 00:30:44,042 --> 00:30:51,382 THE DEAD. MAX LERNER WAS ASSIGNED TO INTERVIEW GERMAN CIVILIANS TO HELP GAUGE THE DEGREE TO WHICH 260 00:30:51,449 --> 00:30:58,022 THEY HAD SERVED THE NAZI CAUSE AND DETERMINE WHICH ONES SHOULD BE PUNISHED. I IMAGINE ALL OF A SUDDEN NO ONE 261 00:30:58,089 --> 00:31:03,127 WANTS TO ADMIT TO BEING A NAZI >> Lerner: THERE WERE NO NAZIS. THEY WERE ALL FORCED TO DO IT >> Wertheim: THAT'S WHAT YOU 262 00:31:03,194 --> 00:31:06,231 WERE TOLD. "I'M DENOUNCING THIS AND I WAS FORCED TO DO IT." >> Lerner: YES. 263 00:31:06,297 --> 00:31:14,706 THEY WERE ALL JUSTIFYING THEMSELVES. "IT WAS A TERRIBLE SITUATION. AND I HAD NO CHOICE." 264 00:31:14,772 --> 00:31:20,111 "I HAD NO CHOICE." THAT WAS THE MANTRA. "I WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED IF I HADN'T GONE ALONG." 265 00:31:20,178 --> 00:31:26,084 >> Wertheim: DID YOU EVER CONFRONT A NAZI WHO SAID "THIS WAS MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE? >> Lerner: NO. 266 00:31:26,150 --> 00:31:30,054 >> Wertheim: UNPRINCIPLED AND DISHONORABLE AND I'M SORRY? >> Lerner: NO. >> Wertheim: NEVER? 267 00:31:30,121 --> 00:31:36,027 >> Lerner: NEVER. >> Wertheim: ONE OF THE WAYS THEY IDENTIFIED SUBJECTS WANTED FOR INTERROGATION WAS BY 268 00:31:36,094 --> 00:31:42,033 CONSULTING THIS BOOK, "THE CENTRAL REGISTRY OF WAR CRIMINALS AND SECURITY SUSPECTS," WHICH LISTED ENEMY 269 00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:50,975 NATIONALS SUSPECTED OF COMMITTING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WAR CRIMES IN EUROPE- EVERYONE FROM LOW RANKING MEMBERS OF THE 270 00:31:51,042 --> 00:31:56,281 ARMED FORCES TO TOP NAZI OFFICIALS. TO ALLIED INVESTIGATORS IT BECAME A SORT OF NAZI HUNTER'S 271 00:31:56,347 --> 00:32:02,320 BIBLE. DID YOU ENJOY HUNTING NAZIS? DID IT GIVE YOU ANY SATISFACTION? 272 00:32:02,387 --> 00:32:08,326 >> Lerner: IT GAVE ME A GREAT DEAL OF SATISFACTION. "ENJOY" IS PERHAPS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT IT GAVE ME GREAT DEAL 273 00:32:08,393 --> 00:32:16,100 OF SATISFACTION. >> Wertheim: WHY SPECIFICALLY? >> Lerner: BECAUSE I REMEMBERED MY PARENTS. 274 00:32:16,167 --> 00:32:24,108 MY FATHER WAS 49-YEARS-OLD AND, AND MY MOTHER WAS 48, AND THEY LEFT EVERYTHING THEY HAD BUILT UP BEHIND, AND ARRIVED IN THE 275 00:32:24,175 --> 00:32:32,116 UNITED STATES PENNILESS. >> Wertheim: AND YOU WERE ABLE TO CONFRONT THE PEOPLE THAT HAD CAUSED THIS, THIS TRAUMA. 276 00:32:32,183 --> 00:32:39,357 >> Lerner: YES. >> Wertheim: ALL S.S. MEMBERS WERE SUBJECT TO AUTOMATIC ARREST. 277 00:32:39,424 --> 00:32:46,264 ESTABLISHED BY HITLER AND LED BY HEINRICH HIMMLER, THE S.S. WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR SECURITY AND INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION IN 278 00:32:46,331 --> 00:32:52,236 GERMANY. THE S.S. CONTROLLED THE GERMAN POLICE FORCES AND CONCENTRATION CAMPS, AND DIRECTED THE SO- 279 00:32:52,303 --> 00:33:00,111 CALLED "FINAL SOLUTION" TO KILL ALL EUROPEAN JEWS. MAX LERNER RECALLS THAT IN ONE RESPECT AT LEAST, IDENTIFYING 280 00:33:00,178 --> 00:33:08,186 MOST S.S. MEMBERS WAS EASY. >> Lerner: YOU KNOW HOW TO TELL AN S.S. MAN? >> Wertheim: HOW? 281 00:33:08,252 --> 00:33:15,593 >> Lerner: THEY HAVE A TATTOO OF THEIR BLOOD GROUP UNDER THEIR LEFT ARMS. >> Wertheim: S.S. MEN, YOU'RE 282 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:20,198 SAYING, HAVE A TATTOO UNDER THEIR LEFT ARM WITH THEIR BLOOD TYPE? >> Lerner: YES. 283 00:33:20,264 --> 00:33:27,105 OR THEY HAD AN EFFORT TO ERASE IT. >> Wertheim: THE PURPOSE OF THE TATTOO WAS TO IDENTIFY A 284 00:33:27,171 --> 00:33:35,480 SOLDIER'S BLOOD TYPE IN CASE A TRANSFUSION WAS NEEDED OR IF HIS DOG TAGS WENT MISSING. MAX LERNER RECALLS BEING PUT IN 285 00:33:35,546 --> 00:33:42,153 CHARGE OF ONE PROMINENT CAPTURED GERMAN PRISONER AT A JAIL IN WEISBADEN, GERMANY. THAT WAS JULIUS STREICHER, THE 286 00:33:42,220 --> 00:33:48,226 FOUNDER AND EDITOR OF THE NAZI PAPER "DER STUERMER" AND ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S LEADING ANTI- SEMITES. 287 00:33:48,292 --> 00:33:55,099 >> Lerner: HE SPENT SEVERAL DAYS IN MY JAIL. AND I MADE SURE HE KNEW THAT IT WAS A JEW WHO CONTROLLED HIM. 288 00:33:55,166 --> 00:34:03,708 >> Wertheim: YOU LET HIM KNOW YOU WERE JEWISH? >> Lerner: OH, YES. >> Wertheim: STRIECHER WAS LATER 289 00:34:03,775 --> 00:34:11,048 TRIED AND CONVICTED AT THE INTERNATIONAL MILITARY TRIBUNAL AT NUREMBERG, WHERE CONCENTRATION CAMP SURVIVORS WHO 290 00:34:11,115 --> 00:34:16,554 BORE WITNESS TO THE MASS MURDER FACED DOWN THEIR NAZI TORMENTORS. DOZENS OF RITCHIE BOYS WORKED AT 291 00:34:16,621 --> 00:34:23,394 THE NUREMBERG TRIALS AS PROSECUTORS, INTERROGATORS AND TRANSLATORS. RITCHIE BOYS ALSO COLLECTED 292 00:34:23,461 --> 00:34:30,234 EVIDENCE WHICH LED TO THE PROSECUTION OF MANY HIGH RANKING NAZIS INCLUDING HERMANN GOERING, HEAD OF THE LUFTWAFFE; RUDOLPH 293 00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:39,844 HESS, DEPUTY FURHER TO ADOLF HITLER; AND WILHELM KEITEL, CHIEF OF THE WEHRMACHT, GERMANY'S ARMED FORCES. 294 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:47,084 >> THE EVIDENCE RELATING TO WAR CRIMES HAS BEEN OVERWHELMING IN ITS VOLUME AND ITS DETAIL. >> Wertheim: ALL WERE CONVICTED 295 00:34:47,151 --> 00:34:52,356 FOR THEIR CRIMES, AND MANY WERE EXECUTED. AFTER THE WAR, GUY STERN AND THE OTHER RITCHIE BOYS WERE 296 00:34:52,423 --> 00:35:00,665 CELEBRATED FOR THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS. >> Stern: THE BRONZE STAR WAS GIVEN TO ME RIGHT AT THE END OF 297 00:35:00,731 --> 00:35:06,304 HOSTILITIES. THIS IS THE GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, WHICH I'M NOT REALLY ENTITLED TO. 298 00:35:06,370 --> 00:35:18,316 ( LAUGHS ) AND THIS HERE IS THE EUROPEAN THEATRE OF OPERATIONS MEDAL WITH FIVE BATTLES IN WHICH I 299 00:35:18,382 --> 00:35:23,221 PARTICIPATED. >> Wertheim: DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF A HERO? >> Stern: GOD, NO. 300 00:35:23,287 --> 00:35:40,638 I TELL YOU, WHEN WE LANDED ON OMAHA BEACH, THERE WERE THE WHOLE HEIGHTS HAD BEEN OCCUPIED BY THE GERMAN ARTILLERY. 301 00:35:40,705 --> 00:35:52,316 AND I LOOKED UP ON THOSE HEIGHTS AND THERE WERE OUR AMERICAN SOLDIERS IN FULL OCCUPATION ON THE DAY-D PLUS THREE, AND I SAID 302 00:35:52,383 --> 00:36:06,364 TO MYSELF, "THAT CAN'T BE DONE." AND TO TAKE THOSE HEIGHTS AGAINST HEAVY FIRING, GOING UP THOSE STEEP CLIFFS, AND OF 303 00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:15,406 COURSE, IT HAD BEEN DONE. THE EVIDENCE WAS BEFORE US. THOSE WERE THE HEROES. >> Wertheim: GUY STERN RETURNED 304 00:36:15,473 --> 00:36:24,382 TO NORMANDY IN 2016 TO PAY HIS RESPECTS TO THE MORE THAN 9,300 MEN BURIED IN THE AMERICAN CEMETERY THERE, ON THE BLUFF 305 00:36:24,448 --> 00:36:32,390 OVERLOOKING THE HALLOWED BEACH. DID THE RITCHIE BOYS REDEFINE WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A SOLDIER AND CONTRIBUTE TO A MILITARY? 306 00:36:32,456 --> 00:36:36,827 >> Frey: I THINK THEY DID. BECAUSE THEY SERVED IN SO MANY DIFFERENT CAPACITIES. >> Wertheim: HISTORY PROFESSOR 307 00:36:36,894 --> 00:36:44,402 DAVID FREY RUNS THE CENTER FOR HOLOCAUST AND GENOCIDE STUDIES AT THE U.S. MILITARY ACADEMY AT WEST POINT. 308 00:36:44,468 --> 00:36:52,376 >> Frey: THERE WERE RITCHIE BOYS THAT WERE IN THE FIRST WAVE ON THE FIRST DAY AT D-DAY. THERE WERE RITCHIE BOYS WHO WERE 309 00:36:52,443 --> 00:36:58,516 IN P.O.W. CAMPS EMBEDDED AND GATHERING INFORMATION IN THE UNITED STATES. SOME DIDN'T EVEN GO OVER TO- TO 310 00:36:58,583 --> 00:37:04,455 EUROPE. THERE WERE RITCHIE BOYS WHO WERE IN VIRTUALLY EVERY BATTLE THAT YOU CAN THINK OF, AND SOME 311 00:37:04,522 --> 00:37:09,493 ACTUALLY SUFFERED THE WORST FATE. THERE WERE TWO WHO WERE ACTUALLY CAPTURED AT THE BATTLE OF THE 312 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:15,066 BULGE. AND WHEN THEIR IDENTITY WAS DISCOVERED, THEY WERE SUMMARILY EXECUTED BY THE GERMANS THAT HAD 313 00:37:15,132 --> 00:37:18,202 CAPTURED THEM. >> Wertheim: BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWISH? >> Frey: BECAUSE THEY WERE 314 00:37:18,269 --> 00:37:24,442 JEWISH. >> Wertheim: WEHRMACHT CAPTAIN CURT BRUNS, CONVICTED BY A MILITARY TRIBUNAL OF ORDERING 315 00:37:24,508 --> 00:37:34,385 THE MURDER OF THOSE TWO RITCHIE BOYS, WAS EXECUTED BY A FIRING SQUAD IN JUNE, 1945. AFTER THE WAR, THE RITCHIE BOYS 316 00:37:34,452 --> 00:37:40,458 CONTINUED THEIR WORK. 98-YEAR-OLD PAUL FAIRBROOK HELPED SET UP THE GERMAN MILITARY DOCUMENTS SECTION AT 317 00:37:40,524 --> 00:37:48,432 CAMP RITCHIE, A VAST CATALOG OF MORE THAN 20,000 CAPTURED GERMAN DOCUMENTS. >> Fairbrook: THEY SENT US BACK 318 00:37:48,499 --> 00:37:54,438 TO CAMP RITCHIE AND THEY CREATED SOMETHING THAT I CALL THE EQUIVALENT OF THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS. 319 00:37:54,505 --> 00:38:00,444 WE HAD TO- WE GOT A LOT OF GERMAN PRISONERS WHO WERE WILLING TO HELP US CATALOG ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS. 320 00:38:00,511 --> 00:38:06,717 >> Wertheim: THE PROJECT DETAILED EVERY ASPECT OF THE GERMAN ARMY'S OPERATIONS DURING THE WAR, INCLUDING HOW THEY WERE 321 00:38:06,784 --> 00:38:14,992 STRUCTURED, HOW THEY MOBILIZED AND HOW THEY USED INTELLIGENCE. THE U.S. WAR DEPARTMENT USED THIS COLLECTION OF GERMAN 322 00:38:15,059 --> 00:38:20,698 DOCUMENTS TO STUDY GERMANY'S BATTLES WITH THE SOVIETS ON THE EASTERN FRONT, IN ORDER TO BE BETTER PREPARED FOR ANY FUTURE 323 00:38:20,765 --> 00:38:28,305 CONFLICT WITH RUSSIA. >> Wertheim: SO, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF IMPACT YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AFTER THE WAR FROM 324 00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:32,510 THIS, THIS CAMP IN MARYLAND? >> Frey: RIGHT. IT WAS NOT ONLY THAT SHORT TERM IMPACT ON THE BATTLEFIELD. 325 00:38:32,576 --> 00:38:39,784 IT WAS AN IMPACT ON WAR CRIMES. THEN SHAPING THE COLD WAR ERA, THEY REALLY PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE. 326 00:38:39,850 --> 00:38:47,525 >> Wertheim: AFTER THE WAR, GUY STERN, VICTOR BROMBERT, PAUL FAIRBROOK AND MAX LERNER CAME HOME, MARRIED, AND WENT TO IVY 327 00:38:47,591 --> 00:38:53,030 LEAGUE SCHOOLS ON THE G.I. BILL. GUY STERN BECAME A PROFESSOR AND TAUGHT FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS. 328 00:38:53,097 --> 00:39:00,504 THEY ALL ROSE TO THE TOP OF THEIR FIELDS, AS DID A NUMBER OF OTHER RITCHIE BOYS. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE SOME 329 00:39:00,571 --> 00:39:05,876 RITCHIE BOYS, BECAME FAIRLY PROMINENT FIGURES. >> Frey: THERE ARE A WHOLE VARIETY OF PROMINENT RITCHIE 330 00:39:05,943 --> 00:39:11,849 BOYS. >> Wertheim: IT TURNS OUT THAT AUTHOR J.D. SALINGER WAS A RITCHIE BOY. 331 00:39:11,916 --> 00:39:18,556 SO WAS ARCHIBALD ROOSEVELT, GRANDSON OF THEODORE ROOSEVELT. AS WAS PHILANTHROPIST DAVID ROCKEFELLER, AND MEDIA BARON AND 332 00:39:18,622 --> 00:39:24,562 BILLIONAIRE JOHN KLUGE. >> Frey: SOME BECAME AMBASSADORS. OTHERS WERE ACTUALLY REALLY 333 00:39:24,628 --> 00:39:31,001 IMPORTANT IN AMERICAN SCIENCE. >> Wertheim: AND NOTABLY, PROFESSOR FREY SAYS, MORE THAN 250 RITCHIE BOYS CONTINUED TO 334 00:39:31,068 --> 00:39:38,576 WORK IN THE FIELD OF INTELLIGENCE AFTER THE WAR, BECOMING PROFESSIONAL SPIES. >> Frey: MANY OF THOSE WHO 335 00:39:38,642 --> 00:39:47,251 TRAINED AT CAMP RITCHIE ACTUALLY DID GO ON TO THE O.S.S., THE PRECURSOR TO THE C.I.A., THAT MEANT THAT THE PEOPLE WHO 336 00:39:47,318 --> 00:39:54,558 LEARNED THEIR CRAFT AT CAMP RITCHIE PLAYED A SIGNIFICANT ROLE IN SETTING UP WHAT EVENTUALLY BECAME THE C.I.A. 337 00:39:54,625 --> 00:40:00,197 >> Wertheim: HOW DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE RECALLING THE RITCHIE BOYS? >> Frey: I THINK WE LOOK AT THIS 338 00:40:00,264 --> 00:40:04,568 GROUP AND WE SEE TRUE HEROES. WE SEE THOSE WHO ARE THE GREATEST OF THE GREATEST GENERATION. 339 00:40:04,635 --> 00:40:12,576 THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO MADE MASSIVE CONTRIBUTIONS, WHO HELPED SHAPE WHAT IT MEANT TO BE AMERICAN AND WHO, IN SOME CASES, 340 00:40:12,643 --> 00:40:18,582 GAVE THEIR LIVES IN SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY. >> Wertheim: THIS-- THIS IS A REMARKABLE STORY. 341 00:40:18,649 --> 00:40:24,588 WHY DO SO FEW AMERICANS KNOW ABOUT THIS? >> Frey: BECAUSE IT INVOLVES MILITARY INTELLIGENCE, MUCH OF 342 00:40:24,655 --> 00:40:34,231 IT WAS ACTUALLY KEPT SECRET UNTIL THE, THE 1990s. A LOT OF WHAT WAS LEARNED AND THE METHODS USED ARE IMPORTANT 343 00:40:34,298 --> 00:40:40,571 TO KEEP SECRET. AND ONLY IN THE EARLY 2000s DID WE BEGIN TO SEE REUNIONS OF THE RITCHIE BOYS. 344 00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:48,579 >> Wertheim: NOW IN THEIR LATE 90s, THESE HUMBLE WARRIORS STILL KEEP IN TOUCH, SWAPPING STORIES ABOUT A CHAPTER IN AMERICAN 345 00:40:48,646 --> 00:40:56,921 HISTORY NOW FINALLY BEING TOLD. WHAT IS IT LIKE WHEN YOU GET TOGETHER AND REFLECT ON THIS EXPERIENCE GOING ON 80 YEARS 346 00:40:56,987 --> 00:41:03,460 AGO? >> Stern: WE ALWAYS FIND ANOTHER ANECDOTE TO TELL. ( LAUGHS ) 347 00:41:03,527 --> 00:41:08,666 >> Wertheim: YOU HAVE A SMILE ON YOUR FACE WHEN YOU THINK BACK. >> Stern: YES, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. 348 00:41:08,732 --> 00:41:16,073 >> Wertheim: IT WAS HARD FOR US NOT TO NOTICE THAT BEYOND THE STORIES RUNS A DEEP SENSE OF PRIDE. 349 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:20,644 >> Fairbrook: YOU BET YOUR LIFE I'M PROUD OF THE RITCHIE BOYS. IT WAS WONDERFUL TO BE PART OF THEM! 350 00:41:20,711 --> 00:41:28,652 I WAS PROUD TO BE IN THE AMERICAN ARMY AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE HAD TO DO. I DON'T THINK WE'RE HEROES, BUT 351 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:35,860 THE OPPORTUNITY TO HELP FIGHT AND WIN THE WAR WAS A WONDERFUL WAY. I CAN LOOK ANYBODY STRAIGHT IN 352 00:41:35,926 --> 00:41:40,664 THEIR EYE AND SAY I THINK I'VE EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE AN AMERICAN. AND THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT IT 353 00:41:40,731 --> 00:41:46,503 DID FOR ME. ( TICKING ) 354 00:41:47,638 --> 00:41:54,645 >> MORE FROM RITCHIE BOY GUY STERN. >> Stern: THAT IS THE FRENCH LEGION OF HONOR. 355 00:41:54,712 --> 00:42:03,220 >> AT 60minutesovertime.com. 356 00:42:03,654 --> 00:42:08,192 >> Wertheim: I'M JON WERTHEIM. THANKS FOR JOINING US. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH A BRAND NEW EDITION OF "60 357 00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:16,133 MINUTES." Captioning funded by CBS and FORD. We go further, so you can. 358 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:17,501 Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH access.wgbh.org