1 00:00:01,401 --> 00:00:09,909 Captioning funded by CBS and FORD. We go further, so you can. >> "60 MINUTES" HAS JUST 2 00:00:09,976 --> 00:00:17,217 RETURNED FROM A TRIP TO AFGHANISTAN-- ITS CAPITOL, AND REMOTE PROVINCES. THERE ARE OBVIOUS EXAMPLES OF 3 00:00:17,283 --> 00:00:24,190 THE NEW TALIBAN CONTROL EVERYWHERE, AND SIGNS OF A COUNTRY IN CRISIS. BUT, WE WERE SURPRISED TO HEAR 4 00:00:24,257 --> 00:00:31,531 FROM AID WORKERS THAT THEY ARE IN REGULAR NEGOTIATION WITH THE TALIBAN, AS THEY TRY TO HELP THE MOST VULNERABLE AFGHANS. 5 00:00:31,598 --> 00:00:36,503 WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO THE TALIBAN AND TALK TO THEM, HOW DOES THAT WORK, AS A WOMAN? 6 00:00:36,569 --> 00:00:43,510 ( TICKING ) >> NASA IS PREPARING, AT A COST OF $10 BILLION, TO LOOK BACK IN TIME WITH THE 7 00:00:43,576 --> 00:00:50,950 REVOLUTIONARY WEBB TELESCOPE. WHAT MIGHT IT SEE? HOW ABOUT, NEARLY ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE BIG BANG. 8 00:00:51,017 --> 00:00:57,624 >> EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT; EVERYTHING WE CAN SEE, ME AND YOU; EVERYTHING ON THE PLANET; ALL THE HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS 9 00:00:57,690 --> 00:01:05,765 OF OTHER GALAXIES; ALL OF THAT ONLY MAKES UP ABOUT 5% OF THE UNIVERSE. THE REST OF IT, THAT OTHER 95%, 10 00:01:05,832 --> 00:01:12,505 WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS. ( TICKING ) >> THE SAYING HERE GOES: YOU'LL KNOW THE NEWFOUNDLANDERS 11 00:01:12,572 --> 00:01:19,345 IN HEAVEN-- THEY'LL BE THE ONES WHO WANT TO GO HOME. AND THE ADAGE COMES TO LIFE ON FOGO ISLAND, A 90-SQUARE MILE 12 00:01:19,412 --> 00:01:26,386 PATCHWORK OF TEN MINISCULE FISHING VILLAGES, WHERE CLAPBOARD HOUSES THE COLOR OF JELLY BEANS CLING TO ROCK 13 00:01:26,453 --> 00:01:34,861 400 MILLION YEARS OLD. AMONG ITS QUIRKS, NEWFOUNDLAND HAS ITS OWN TIME ZONE-- HALF AN HOUR AHEAD OF THE MAINLAND. 14 00:01:34,928 --> 00:01:41,634 BUT, WANDER THROUGH FOGO ISLAND'S VILLAGES, AND YOU MIGHT AS WELL SET YOUR WATCH BACK TO THE 18th CENTURY. 15 00:01:41,701 --> 00:01:48,041 ( TICKING ) >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. 16 00:01:48,107 --> 00:01:53,813 >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE, TONIGHT, 17 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,150 ON "60 MINUTES." ( TICKING ) 18 00:02:03,256 --> 00:02:08,795 >> Sharyn Alfonsi: WHEN THE U.S. PULLED UP STAKES IN AFGHANISTAN THIS PAST AUGUST, THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T EXPECT THE 19 00:02:08,862 --> 00:02:15,301 TALIBAN TO SEIZE CONTROL OF THE COUNTRY SO QUICKLY. 20 YEARS OF NATION-BUILDING, AND AN AFGHAN MILITARY, CRUMBLED 20 00:02:15,368 --> 00:02:22,442 WITHIN DAYS. TO CONTAIN THE TALIBAN'S POWER, THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY ACTED QUICKLY-- FREEZING AFGHAN 21 00:02:22,509 --> 00:02:30,083 ASSETS, SHUTTING DOWN FOREIGN AID, AND EXTENDING SANCTIONS. NOW, THE COUNTRY IS FACING MASS STARVATION, AND ECONOMIC 22 00:02:30,149 --> 00:02:35,655 COLLAPSE. WE WENT TO AFGHANISTAN; REPORTED FROM ITS PROVINCES AND CAPITAL; AND HAD A 23 00:02:35,722 --> 00:02:41,027 RARE CONVERSATION WITH A TALIBAN MINISTER. WE ALSO MET WITH HUMANITARIAN GROUPS, WHO HAVE BEEN LEFT TO 24 00:02:41,094 --> 00:02:52,472 PICK UP THE PIECES, WHILE NEGOTIATING WITH THE TALIBAN. AS OUR TEAM ARRIVED IN TO THE KABUL AIRPORT IN AFGHANISTAN, WE 25 00:02:52,539 --> 00:03:02,448 WEREN'T SURE WHAT WE'D FIND. ( CHAOS ) IT WAS JUST FOUR MONTHS AGO THAT THE WORLD WATCHED AS SCENES OF 26 00:03:02,515 --> 00:03:10,890 UNFORGETTABLE DESPERATION AND CHAOS PLAYED OUT HERE AFTER THE TALIBAN SEIZED CONTROL. ( CHAOS ) 27 00:03:10,957 --> 00:03:17,864 THE LUCKY ESCAPED. BUT, FOR THE 38 MILLION AFGHANS THAT REMAIN, THE ANGUISH CONTINUES. 28 00:03:17,931 --> 00:03:26,239 RIGHT AWAY, WE SAW THEIR NEW REALITY. ARMED TALIBAN FORCES ARE EVERYWHERE. 29 00:03:26,306 --> 00:03:32,345 WE NOTICED MANY OF THEM HAVE ABANDONED THEIR TRADITIONAL TURBANS, AND NOW WEAR THE UNIFORMS AND GEAR THAT WESTERN 30 00:03:32,412 --> 00:03:42,488 FORCES LEFT BEHIND. WE SEE WOMEN AND CHILDREN DODGING TRAFFIC TO BEG FOR CASH, AND MEN WAITING IN LONG LINES 31 00:03:42,555 --> 00:03:48,494 FOR FREE FOOD. >> Mary-Ellen McGroarty: I'VE BEEN WITH W.F.P. FOR A LONG TIME, 20-PLUS YEARS, AND I'VE 32 00:03:48,561 --> 00:03:55,134 NEVER SEEN A CRISIS UNFOLD AND ESCALATE AT THE PACE AND SCALE THAT WE ARE SEEING. >> Alfonsi: MARY-ELLEN McGROARTY 33 00:03:55,201 --> 00:04:02,575 IS THE DIRECTOR OF THE UNITED NATIONS WORLD FOOD PROGRAM IN AFGHANISTAN. FROM ITS WAREHOUSE IN KABUL, 34 00:04:02,642 --> 00:04:10,383 SHE'S OVERSEEN THE DELIVERY OF OVER 117 TONS OF FOOD TO NEARLY NINE MILLION AFGHANS SINCE AUGUST. 35 00:04:10,450 --> 00:04:16,222 SHE EXPLAINED TO US WHY THE COUNTRY IS NOW FACING MASS STARVATION. >> McGroarty: 72% OF THE 36 00:04:16,289 --> 00:04:21,628 POPULATION WERE ALREADY LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LINE BEFORE ALL THIS-- BEFORE THE FALL OF THE GOVERNMENT. 37 00:04:21,694 --> 00:04:26,132 >> Alfonsi: AND NOW, WHAT IS THE NEED LIKE? >> McGroarty: AND NOW IT'S JUST STAGGERING. 38 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:33,773 YOU KNOW, WE HAVE 22.8 MILLION PEOPLE IN WHAT WE CALL "SEVERE FOOD INSECURITY." >> Alfonsi: THAT'S MORE THAN 39 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:39,312 HALF THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. >> McGroarty: THAT IS MORE THAN HALF THE COUNTRY. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE JOBS. 40 00:04:39,379 --> 00:04:45,852 THEY CAN'T ACCESS CASH. YOU KNOW, FOOD PRICES ARE GOING UP. THE CURRENCY IS DEPRECIATING. 41 00:04:45,918 --> 00:04:53,059 SO, FOR US, WE'RE NOW REALLY IN A RACE AGAINST TIME. >> Alfonsi: RAVAGED BY WAR, DROUGHT, COVID, AND THE 42 00:04:53,126 --> 00:05:03,069 ECONOMIC CRASH THAT FOLLOWED THE TALIBAN TAKEOVER, AFGHANISTAN IS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE. ACCORDING TO UNICEF, ONE MILLION 43 00:05:03,136 --> 00:05:11,377 CHILDREN IN AFGHANISTAN ARE NOW AT RISK OF DYING OF STARVATION, INSIDE THE CHILDREN'S HOSPITAL IN KABUL, THE BEDS WERE FULL, 44 00:05:11,444 --> 00:05:21,587 AND ROOMS QUIET. THIS MOTHER TOLD US HER FIVE- MONTH-OLD DAUGHTER WAS STARVING. SHE WEIGHS JUST SEVEN POUNDS. 45 00:05:21,654 --> 00:05:26,926 DOCTORS SAY ALL OF THE CHILDREN IN THIS ROOM ARE SUFFERING FROM MALNUTRITION. THEY CAN'T OFFER THEM MEDICINE, 46 00:05:26,993 --> 00:05:32,799 BECAUSE THEY'VE RUN OUT. THEY CAN'T OFFER THEM FOOD, BECAUSE EVEN THE HOSPITAL DOESN'T HAVE ANY. 47 00:05:32,865 --> 00:05:38,871 NONE OF THE STAFF HERE HAS BEEN PAID IN FOUR MONTHS. THE HOSPITAL HAD BEEN SUPPORTED BY INTERNATIONAL AID-- THAT 48 00:05:38,938 --> 00:05:49,048 WAS CUT OFF WHEN THE TALIBAN TOOK OVER. 30 YEARS AGO, THE TALIBAN FIRST ROSE TO POWER AFTER A 49 00:05:49,115 --> 00:05:55,555 TEN-YEAR WAR WITH THE SOVIETS AND THE COLLAPSE OF THE COUNTRY'S COMMUNIST REGIME. ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS, THEY RULED 50 00:05:55,621 --> 00:06:02,795 WITH AN IRON FIST, BANISHING WOMEN FROM THE WORK-PLACE, SCHOOLS, AND PUBLIC LIFE-- EXECUTING THOSE WHO DIDN'T 51 00:06:02,862 --> 00:06:10,636 FOLLOW THEIR STRICT LAWS. TODAY, THERE ARE WOMEN ON THE STREETS, BUT NOT MANY. WHEN THE TAIBAN MARCHED INTO 52 00:06:10,703 --> 00:06:17,376 KABUL, THEY URGED WOMEN TO STAY HOME UNTIL THEY TAUGHT THEIR FIGHTERS "HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM." 53 00:06:17,443 --> 00:06:23,483 WHICH MAKES WHAT MARY-ELLEN McGROARTY IS DOING EVEN MORE SURPRISING. SHE'S BEEN PERSONALLY 54 00:06:23,549 --> 00:06:28,721 NEGOTIATING WITH THE TALIBAN, SO HER DRIVERS CAN DELIVER FOOD TO THE NEEDY. WHEN YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO, 55 00:06:28,788 --> 00:06:33,426 YOU KNOW, REACH OUT TO THE TALIBAN, AND TALK TO THEM, HOW DOES THAT WORK, AS A WOMAN? >> McGroarty: BEING A WOMAN IN 56 00:06:33,493 --> 00:06:43,102 AFGHANISTAN AT THE MOMENT, IS, YEAH, IT'S CHALLENGING. BUT I THINK THEY REALIZE I'M THE HEAD OF A U.N. ORGANIZATION, SO 57 00:06:43,169 --> 00:06:49,609 THEY DO HAVE TO MEET WITH ME. AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS. >> Alfonsi: AND FOR THE PERSON SITTING AT HOME, WHO SAYS, 58 00:06:49,675 --> 00:06:54,847 "WELL, HOW COULD THEY BE ENGAGING WITH THE TALIBAN? THEY'RE AN EXTREMIST GROUP," HOW DO YOU ANSWER THAT? 59 00:06:54,914 --> 00:07:01,687 >> McGroarty: WITH HUMANITARIAN WORK, YOU KNOW, THE HUMANITY COMES FIRST, AND BEING ABLE TO SAVE LIVES COMES FIRST. 60 00:07:01,754 --> 00:07:09,128 WE REMAIN IMPARTIAL, WITH A CLEAR FOCUS ON THE HUMANITARIAN IMPERATIVE. >> Alfonsi: McGROARTY TOLD US 61 00:07:09,195 --> 00:07:15,234 HUMANITARIAN GROUPS HAVE WORKED WITH THE TALIBAN FOR MUCH OF THE LAST DECADE. THEY HAD TO-- BECAUSE EVEN WHEN 62 00:07:15,301 --> 00:07:23,342 THERE WAS A DEMOCRATICALLY- ELECTED GOVERNMENT SITTING IN KABUL, THE TALIBAN CONTROLLED 60% TO 70% OF THE COUNTRY. 63 00:07:23,409 --> 00:07:30,349 MANUEL FONTAINE, A DIRECTOR FOR UNICEF, FIRST CAME TO AFGHANISTAN AFTER 9/11. HE EXPLAINED HOW THEIR 64 00:07:30,416 --> 00:07:36,522 RELATIONSHIP WITH THE TALIBAN HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS. HAS THE TALIBAN SAID TO YOU, "WE WANT YOU HERE. 65 00:07:36,589 --> 00:07:40,226 WE NEED YOU HERE. HELP US"? >> Manuel Fontaine: YES. ABSOLUTELY. 66 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:44,831 FROM THE BEGINNING. AND WE'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WE WILL BE UNCOMPROMISING WHEN IT COMES 67 00:07:44,897 --> 00:07:50,970 TO GIRLS' EDUCATION, WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING SURE THAT WOMEN CAN WORK. >> Alfonsi: SINCE AUGUST 15, 68 00:07:51,037 --> 00:07:59,145 HAVE THEY BEEN MORE OR LESS RECEPTIVE TO WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY, AND WHAT OTHER N.G.O.s HAVE TO SAY? 69 00:07:59,212 --> 00:08:04,917 >> Fontaine: THEY ARE RECEPTIVE NOW, IN THE SENSE THAT THEY REALIZE THAT WITH POWER COMES THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO 70 00:08:04,984 --> 00:08:10,756 SOMETHING FOR THE POPULATION OF AFGHANISTAN. THEY REALIZE THEY HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY, AND IN THAT 71 00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:15,695 SENSE, THEY'RE WILLING TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. >> Alfonsi: BECAUSE OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UNICEF IS NOW ABLE 72 00:08:15,761 --> 00:08:22,802 TO ACCESS COMMUNITIES PREVIOUSLY OFF-LIMITS. WE TRAVELED WITH THEM, AND THEIR GOVERNMENT-MANDATED TALIBAN 73 00:08:22,869 --> 00:08:30,910 ESCORTS, TO ONE OF THOSE PLACES. SO, WE ARE IN WARDAK PROVINCE, WHICH IS ABOUT TWO HOURS FROM KABUL, AND THE REASON THAT THIS 74 00:08:30,977 --> 00:08:38,885 ROAD IS SO BUMPY IS BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY I.E.D.s HERE. THIS WAS A TALIBAN STRONGHOLD FOR ABOUT A DECADE, SO GROUPS 75 00:08:38,951 --> 00:08:47,827 LIKE THE U.N. WOULD NEVER HAVE DREAMED OF COMING OUT HERE. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME UNICEF HAD BEEN TO THIS RURAL AREA IN 76 00:08:47,894 --> 00:08:54,867 12 YEARS. AND THE FIRST TIME THEY WERE ABLE TO LAY EYES ON ONE OF THE RESULTS OF THEIR 77 00:08:54,934 --> 00:09:06,646 NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE TALIBAN: THIS COMMUNITY-BASED SCHOOL FOR GIRLS. FOR HOW MANY OF YOU GIRLS IS 78 00:09:06,712 --> 00:09:18,724 THIS YOUR FIRST YEAR AT SCHOOL? RAISE YOUR HAND. THE YOUNGEST GIRL HERE IS SIX. THE OLDEST, 12. 79 00:09:18,791 --> 00:09:25,164 MANY OF THEM TOLD US THEY HOPED TO BE DOCTORS. THE SCHOOL-- AND 4,500 LIKE THEM-- OPERATE WITH THE 80 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:31,337 TALIBAN'S BLESSING. HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? THIS WAS A PROVINCE THAT WAS CONTROLLED BY THE TALIBAN FOR A 81 00:09:31,404 --> 00:09:37,777 DECADE. HOW DO YOU GET TO THEM AND SAY, WE WANT TO HAVE A SCHOOL HERE? >> Fontaine: TALKING TO THEM, 82 00:09:37,843 --> 00:09:42,048 EXPLAINING THE DIFFERENCE IT MAKES. THE DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING WITH THE TALIBAN DON'T START 83 00:09:42,114 --> 00:09:47,019 FROM SCRATCH. THAT CONFIDENCE WAS BUILT OVER THE YEARS. IN THE AREAS THEY CONTROLLED, 84 00:09:47,086 --> 00:09:52,959 THAT TRUST HAS STARTED TO BUILD. >> Alfonsi: WHAT WE SAW IN THAT SCHOOL WAS HEART-WARMING. BUT, WE KNOW THERE ARE A MILLION 85 00:09:53,025 --> 00:09:58,798 GIRLS IN HIGH SCHOOL WHO ARE NOT GOING TO SCHOOL. WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE NO WOMEN BEING ALLOWED, REALLY, TO ATTEND 86 00:09:58,864 --> 00:10:04,837 COLLEGE IN ANY WAY. ARE YOU MAKING ANY GROUND IN THAT AREA? >> Fontaine: WE ARE MAKING SOME 87 00:10:04,904 --> 00:10:09,408 GROUND, BUT NOT ENOUGH. THAT'S OBVIOUS. WHAT WE HEAR FROM TALIBAN IS THAT THEY WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY 88 00:10:09,475 --> 00:10:16,315 THAT IS KEEPING WITH THE CULTURE OF THE COUNTRY. SO, WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT. 89 00:10:16,382 --> 00:10:23,055 THIS COUNTRY NEEDS EVERYBODY'S STRENGTH. AFTER MONTHS OF NEGOTIATIONS, WE WERE GRANTED ACCESS TO 90 00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:31,030 MEET DR. QALANDAR EBAD, THE NEWLY-APPOINTED HEALTH MINISTER OF THE TALIBAN. A 41-YEAR-OLD PHYSICIAN, HE WAS 91 00:10:31,097 --> 00:10:41,207 EDUCATED IN PAKISTAN. WE WERE A LITTLE UNEASY WHEN HE INVITED US TO EAT WITH HIM AND OTHER TALIBAN LEADERS IN 92 00:10:41,273 --> 00:10:46,879 THE BASEMENT OF ONE OF THEIR BUILDINGS. HE AGREED TO SPEAK TO US ABOUT THE HEALTH CRISIS FACING THE 93 00:10:46,946 --> 00:10:54,420 COUNTRY, BUT HE TOLD US, HE DIDN'T WANT TO DISCUSS POLITICS. TALIBAN GUNMEN KEPT WATCH OVER THE INTERVIEW. 94 00:10:54,487 --> 00:11:02,595 SOME OF THE HUMANITARIAN WORKERS WE SPOKE TO SAID THAT THE COUNTRY IS ON THE VERGE OF ITS WORST HUMANITARIAN CRISIS EVER. 95 00:11:02,661 --> 00:11:10,603 DO YOU BELIEVE THAT TO BE TRUE? >> Dr. Qalandar Ebad: WE ARE ON THE EDGE OF THIS CRISIS. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE FUNDS 96 00:11:10,669 --> 00:11:17,743 ARE FREEZED BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. I THINK THEY CAN UNFREEZE THE FUNDS FOR THE HEALTH SECTOR OF 97 00:11:17,810 --> 00:11:24,650 AFGHANISTAN. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE NEED OF THE TIME. >> Alfonsi: THE INTERNATIONAL 98 00:11:24,717 --> 00:11:31,057 COMMUNITY HAS SPOKEN PRETTY CLEARLY, AND SAID THEY'RE "NOT GOING TO UNFREEZE FUNDS UNLESS THERE'S A GUARANTEE THAT 99 00:11:31,123 --> 00:11:37,863 ALL GIRLS WILL BE EDUCATED IN AFGHANISTAN." IS THE TALIBAN WILLING TO CONSIDER ANY KIND OF MOVEMENT IN 100 00:11:37,930 --> 00:11:47,440 THAT AREA? >> Dr. Ebad: I THINK IT'S A POLITICAL ISSUE. EDUCATION IS A SEPARATE CHAPTER 101 00:11:47,506 --> 00:11:57,249 AND DEPARTMENT, AND HEALTH IS A DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT. >> Alfonsi: WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS, YOU WANT TO KEEP 102 00:11:57,316 --> 00:12:01,287 HEALTH SEPARATE FROM THE IDEA OF EDUCATION. >> Dr. Ebad: YEAH. WHY THEY ARE MIXING THE TWO 103 00:12:01,353 --> 00:12:05,091 DIFFERENT TOPICS-- >> Alfonsi: WELL, BECAUSE I THINK THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, EDUCATING WOMEN IS GOOD FOR THE 104 00:12:05,157 --> 00:12:12,698 HEALTH OF THE COUNTRY. >> Dr. Ebad: YES. THERE'S NO DOUBT. >> Alfonsi: BUT THE MINISTER 105 00:12:12,765 --> 00:12:18,971 WOULD NOT GO FURTHER ON CONCESSIONS OR GIRL'S HIGH SCHOOL AND UNIVERSITY EDUCATION. NINE DAYS AGO, THE TALIBAN 106 00:12:19,038 --> 00:12:26,712 ISSUED A DECREE BANNING BOTH FORCED MARRIAGE AND TREATING WOMEN AS PROPERTY, BUT THERE WAS NO MENTION OF ALLOWING WOMEN 107 00:12:26,779 --> 00:12:35,421 TO WORK OUTSIDE THE HOME. SOON AFTER, THE WORLD BANK RELEASED $280 MILLION IN AID FOR AFGHANISTAN-- A SMALL PORTION OF 108 00:12:35,488 --> 00:12:42,528 THE $1.5 BILLION FROZEN BY THE WORLD BANK. VICKI AKEN HAS LED THE U.S.-BASED INTERNATIONAL 109 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:49,635 RESCUE COMMITTEE IN AFGHANISTAN FOR FOUR YEARS. >> Vicki Aken: WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A SYSTEM FOR CONTINUING TO 110 00:12:49,702 --> 00:12:58,410 SUPPORT JUST BASIC SERVICES LIKE EDUCATION AND HEALTH CARE. THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT, 75% OF THEIR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, WAS 111 00:12:58,477 --> 00:13:08,320 FUNDED BY DEVELOPMENT DONORS. >> Alfonsi: 75% OF THE GOVERNMENT BUDGET WAS FUNDED BY DONATIONS? 112 00:13:08,387 --> 00:13:17,029 AND SO HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION HAVE DRIED UP. >> Aken: YEAH, AND THERE'S STILL NO CLEAR WAY FORWARD. 113 00:13:17,096 --> 00:13:23,869 >> Alfonsi: HER STAFF OF 1,200, MOSTLY LOCALS, INTERVIEW FAMILIES IN THE NEEDIEST NEIGHBORHOODS. 114 00:13:23,936 --> 00:13:31,043 THAT'S HOW THEY FOUND HOMIRA. 19 YEARS OLD, SHE FLED EASTERN AFGHANISTAN THREE MONTHS AGO WITH HER TWO CHILDREN. 115 00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:38,284 WHAT KIND OF CHALLENGES HAVE YOU FACED? >> Homira ( translated ): I FACED A LOT OF PROBLEMS. 116 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:43,155 I COULDN'T SUPPORT MY CHILDREN, TO BUY SOMETHING LIKE FOOD OR CLOTHES. >> Alfonsi: THE INTERNATIONAL 117 00:13:43,222 --> 00:13:49,595 RESCUE COMMITTEE GAVE HER ABOUT $400 TO GET BLANKETS AND FOOD FOR WINTER. BUT, THEY ARE FEARFUL THEIR 118 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:58,671 FUNDS COULD RUN OUT. IF THE AID WASN'T HERE, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN TO YOUR FAMILY? IF THERE WASN'T THIS HELP? 119 00:13:58,737 --> 00:14:05,644 >> Homira ( translated ): I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUPPORT MY FAMILY OR CHILDREN. I'M REALLY THANKFUL FOR THEM. 120 00:14:05,711 --> 00:14:12,518 >> Alfonsi: WHAT DOES $400 MEAN TO A FAMILY IN THIS MOMENT? >> Aken: IT MEANS EVERYTHING, IN THIS MOMENT. 121 00:14:12,585 --> 00:14:24,563 I MEAN, WE SEE A LOT OF CASES WHERE PEOPLE MIGHT SEND THEIR CHILDREN OFF TO WORK, INCLUDING AS YOUNG AS FIVE OR SIX. 122 00:14:24,630 --> 00:14:30,169 YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT SELL THEIR DAUGHTERS INTO MARRIAGE. AND IT'S-- AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS HORRENDOUS. 123 00:14:30,236 --> 00:14:39,245 BUT WHEN YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF, SAY, EIGHT PEOPLE, AND YOU HAVE NO MEANS TO FEED EVERYONE, AND THEY SEE THAT AS THEIR ONLY 124 00:14:39,311 --> 00:14:46,051 OPTION... >> Alfonsi: HUMANITARIAN LEADERS SAY, WITHOUT SWIFT ACTION, MORE PEOPLE IN AFGHANISTAN COULD 125 00:14:46,118 --> 00:14:53,125 DIE OF HUNGER NEXT YEAR THAN FROM THE VIOLENCE OF THE PAST 20 YEARS OF WAR. >> Aken: IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT 126 00:14:53,192 --> 00:14:59,131 THE EFFECT OF SANCTIONS HAVE BEEN, THEY'RE REALLY HURTING THE PEOPLE OF AFGHANISTAN MORE THAN THEY'RE HURTING ANYONE IN 127 00:14:59,198 --> 00:15:08,574 THE TALIBAN. THE TALIBAN HAVE HAD SANCTIONS ON THEM FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND THEY'VE ALWAYS MANAGED TO 128 00:15:08,641 --> 00:15:14,913 SURVIVE THOSE SANCTIONS. BUT NOW THEY HAVE TO RUN A GOVERNMENT. >> Alfonsi: I THINK A LOT OF 129 00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:20,519 PEOPLE WILL SAY, "WELL, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE AID GO TO AFGHANISTAN, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GIVE MONEY TO THE 130 00:15:20,586 --> 00:15:26,925 TALIBAN. THAT'S AN EXTREMIST GROUP." >> Aken: SO YOU WANT TO MAKE 38 MILLION PEOPLE SUFFER BECAUSE 131 00:15:26,992 --> 00:15:38,504 OF A FEW THOUSAND? THAT MATH DOESN'T WORK FOR ME. ( TICKING ) >> Announcer: HOW "60 MINUTES" 132 00:15:38,570 --> 00:15:43,175 TRAVELED TO AFGHANISTAN TO MEET THE TALIBAN. >> THERE YOU ARE, FACE-TO-FACE WITH PEOPLE IN YOUR OWN 133 00:15:43,242 --> 00:15:48,314 COUNTRY'S UNIFORMS, THAT USED TO BE THE ENEMY. >> AT 60minutesovertime.com. 134 00:15:53,585 --> 00:16:02,061 >> Scott Pelley: THIS DECEMBER 22 MAY BECOME KNOWN AS THE DAY THE UNIVERSE CHANGED. THAT WEDNESDAY, NASA EXPECTS TO 135 00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:12,338 LAUNCH THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE-- THE LARGEST AND MOST EXPENSIVE INSTRUMENT EVER FLOWN. 100 TIMES MORE POWERFUL THAN THE 136 00:16:12,404 --> 00:16:21,814 31-YEAR-OLD HUBBLE TELESCOPE, WEBB CAN SEE BACK IN TIME, ALL THE WAY TO THE "LET THERE BE LIGHT" MOMENT-- THAT INSTANT 137 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:32,391 WHEN A COLD, DARK UNIVERSE IGNITED INTO STARS. WOW. WELL, SOMEHOW, THAT'S A LOT 138 00:16:32,458 --> 00:16:38,530 BIGGER THAN I IMAGINED. >> Amy Lo: SHE'S A BIG ONE. >> Pelley: A YEAR AGO, WE WERE AMONG THE LAST HUMANS TO 139 00:16:38,597 --> 00:16:46,004 SEE THE TELESCOPE MUCH AS IT WILL APPEAR IN SPACE. AFTER OUR VISIT, IT WAS PACKED AWAY FOR A JOURNEY OF A 140 00:16:46,071 --> 00:16:55,714 MILLION MILES, FAR BEYOND THE MOON, TO LIE FOREVER IN THE GRASP OF THE SUN. THE OPERATING LIFE IS HOW LONG? 141 00:16:55,781 --> 00:17:04,990 >> Lo: IT'S DESIGNED FOR 5.5 YEARS, WITH A GOAL OF TEN YEARS. SO, THAT MEANS WE CARRY ENOUGH STUFF ON THERE TO LAST 142 00:17:05,057 --> 00:17:12,398 FOR TEN YEARS. >> Pelley: AMY LO IS A SYSTEMS ENGINEER, WHO TOOK US UP IN THE CLEAN ROOM AT NORTHRUP GRUMMAN 143 00:17:12,464 --> 00:17:19,772 IN REDONDO BEACH, CALIFORNIA. >> Lo: WE HAD TO INVENT IT, DESIGN IT, BUILD IT, AND HAND-PUT IT TOGETHER. 144 00:17:19,838 --> 00:17:26,812 >> Pelley: AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SPACECRAFT, THAT SILVER SHROUD IS A PARASOL, BIG AS A TENNIS COURT, TO SHIELD WEBB 145 00:17:26,879 --> 00:17:35,387 FROM THE SUN. ABOVE, THERE ARE 21 FEET OF GOLD-PLATED MIRRORS, SIX TIMES BIGGER THAN HUBBLE'S MIRROR, TO 146 00:17:35,454 --> 00:17:42,861 CATCH THE EARLIEST STAR LIGHT IN CREATION. THERE ARE 18 OF THESE HEXAGONAL MIRRORS. 147 00:17:42,928 --> 00:17:49,668 BUT WHEN YOU FOLD THEM OUT, THEY ALL WORK IN CONCERT AS ONE MIRROR? >> Lo: THAT'S RIGHT. 148 00:17:49,735 --> 00:17:58,243 ALL 18 IMAGES WILL FORM ONE VERY NICE, SOLID IMAGE. >> Pelley: THAT IMAGE WOULD BE INVISIBLE TO THE HUMAN EYE. 149 00:17:58,310 --> 00:18:06,952 LIKE A NIGHT VISION CAMERA, WEBB IS DESIGNED TO SEE HEAT-- INFRARED LIGHT-- BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY SIGNATURE LEFT FROM THE 150 00:18:07,019 --> 00:18:17,596 STARS AT THE EDGE OF TIME. EVEN THAT GLOW WILL BE SO DIM, THE MIRRORS WILL HAVE TO SQUINT FOR HOURS TO EXPOSE AN IMAGE. 151 00:18:17,663 --> 00:18:26,872 HOW MUCH CONFIDENCE DO YOU HAVE? >> Lo: YOU KNOW, MY JOB IS TO WORRY. I PERSONALLY FEEL CONFIDENT THAT 152 00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:36,849 WE HAVE THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING. >> Pelley: THINKING OF EVERYTHING TOOK MORE THAN 25 YEARS AND $10 BILLION. 153 00:18:36,915 --> 00:18:43,422 ENGINEER AMY LO EXPLAINED THE CHALLENGE. >> Lo: IN MY MIND, THE BIGGEST ENGINEERING CHALLENGE WAS TO 154 00:18:43,489 --> 00:18:51,430 BUILD A SUN-SHIELD CAPABLE OF SHIELDING THE OPTICS, THE MIRRORS, AND THE INSTRUMENTS ON WEBB. 155 00:18:51,497 --> 00:18:58,003 HOW DO YOU BUILD SOMETHING BIG, BUT LIGHTWEIGHT? >> Pelley: THE SUN-SHIELD KEEPS WEBB COLD AND DARK. 156 00:18:58,070 --> 00:19:04,910 ANY INFRARED HEAT FROM THE SUN OR EARTH WOULD BLIND THE TELESCOPE. THE FIVE LAYERS ARE MADE OF 157 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:12,184 GOSSAMER SHEETS, NOT UNLIKE MYLAR BIRTHDAY BALLOONS. >> Lo: THE LAYER FACING THE SUN IS LAYER ONE, AND LAYER ONE 158 00:19:12,251 --> 00:19:18,257 REACHES ABOUT 230 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT. SO, A PRETTY WARM OVEN. LIKE, IF YOU WANTED TO COOK A 159 00:19:18,323 --> 00:19:22,561 MERINGUE, OR SOMETHING. >> Pelley: AND ON THE TELESCOPE SIDE? >> Lo: ON THE TELESCOPE SIDE, 160 00:19:22,628 --> 00:19:30,068 IT GETS TO NEGATIVE 370 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT. >> Pelley: THERE'S A ROUGHLY 600-DEGREE DIFFERENCE! 161 00:19:30,135 --> 00:19:34,606 >> Lo: THERE IS. >> Pelley: BETWEEN ONE SIDE OF THE HEAT SHIELD AND THE OTHER. >> Lo: YES, IT'S AMAZING THAT 162 00:19:34,673 --> 00:19:42,548 IT'S ABLE TO DO THIS WITH NOTHING MORE THAN THESE LAYERS. >> Pelley: THE ENGINEERING IS AMAZING. 163 00:19:42,614 --> 00:19:50,289 BUT, THE SCIENCE MAY REVEAL THE UNIVERSE. SINCE THE BEGINNING, THE BIG BANG, THE ARROW OF TIME HAS 164 00:19:50,355 --> 00:20:00,999 FLOWN NEARLY 14 BILLION YEARS. WEBB MAY SEE ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FIRST 100 MILLION-- THE BABY UNIVERSE. 165 00:20:01,066 --> 00:20:08,106 AMBER STRAUGHN IS AN ASTROPHYSICIST ON THE PROJECT. >> Amber Straughn: TELESCOPES REALLY ARE TIME MACHINES. 166 00:20:08,173 --> 00:20:14,246 THEY LITERALLY ALLOW US TO SEE INTO THE PAST. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS JUST DUE TO THE NATURE OF HOW 167 00:20:14,313 --> 00:20:18,383 LIGHT TRAVELS. LIGHT FROM THE SUN TAKES ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES TO GET TO THE EARTH. 168 00:20:18,450 --> 00:20:24,289 SO, WE'RE SEEING THE SUN AS IT WAS EIGHT MINUTES AGO. AND YOU CAN SORT OF THINK ABOUT STEPPING THAT FURTHER OUT INTO 169 00:20:24,356 --> 00:20:30,662 THE UNIVERSE. >> Pelley: SO, WHEN WE WALK OUT UNDER THE STARS, AND LOOK ABOVE US, WE'RE NOT SEEING THE STARS 170 00:20:30,729 --> 00:20:37,102 AS THEY ARE TODAY. WE'RE SEEING THEM AS THEY WERE PERHAPS MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO. >> Straughn: ABSOLUTELY. 171 00:20:37,169 --> 00:20:42,007 >> Pelley: BECAUSE IT TOOK THAT LONG FOR THE LIGHT TO REACH THE EARTH. >> Straughn: YES, FOR SURE. 172 00:20:42,074 --> 00:20:49,247 >> Pelley: HOW MUCH DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE UNIVERSE? >> Straughn: EVERYTHING WE KNOW ABOUT, EVERYTHING WE CAN SEE, 173 00:20:49,314 --> 00:20:54,453 ME AND YOU, EVERYTHING ON THE PLANET, ALL THE HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF OTHER GALAXIES-- ALL OF THAT ONLY MAKES UP ABOUT 174 00:20:54,519 --> 00:21:03,595 5% OF THE UNIVERSE. THE REST OF IT, THAT OTHER 95%, WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS. >> Pelley: THAT 95%, THE 175 00:21:03,662 --> 00:21:11,336 UNKNOWN, IS ALL AROUND US, LIKE A GHOST. NEARLY ALL THE COSMOS IS MADE UP OF WHAT PHYSICISTS CALL, IN 176 00:21:11,403 --> 00:21:20,412 DESPERATION, "DARK MATTER" AND "DARK ENERGY." NEVER SEEN, SCIENTISTS INFER THEY MUST EXIST, BECAUSE THEY'RE 177 00:21:20,479 --> 00:21:28,854 THE BEST EXPLANATION FOR HOW GALAXIES FORM AND MOVE. >> Straughn: SO, WE KNOW THAT DARK MATTER IS SORT OF THIS 178 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:36,028 SCAFFOLDING OF THE UNIVERSE. IT'S THE-- THE STRUCTURE ON WHICH GALAXIES SIT. AND IF THERE WASN'T DARK MATTER, 179 00:21:36,094 --> 00:21:41,633 THERE WOULDN'T BE GALAXIES, AND THERE WOULDN'T BE US. >> Pelley: WHAT MIGHT THE WEBB TELESCOPE REVEAL ABOUT 180 00:21:41,700 --> 00:21:46,238 DARK MATTER? >> Straughn: IT'S LIKE WE HAVE THIS 14-BILLION-YEAR-OLD STORY OF THE UNIVERSE, BUT WE'RE 181 00:21:46,304 --> 00:21:54,312 MISSING THAT FIRST CHAPTER. AND WEBB WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO ALLOW US TO SEE THOSE VERY FIRST GALAXIES THAT 182 00:21:54,379 --> 00:22:02,521 FORMED AFTER THE BIG BANG. NOW, GALAXIES ARE BORN AND THEN THEY EVOLVE, THEY CHANGE, OVER TIME, AND THIS WAY THAT GALAXIES 183 00:22:02,587 --> 00:22:10,529 CHANGE MUST RELY CRITICALLY ON DARK MATTER. AND WEBB IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO OBSERVE THAT PROCESS OF GALAXY 184 00:22:10,595 --> 00:22:17,602 EVOLUTION IN MUCH MORE DETAIL. >> Pelley: THE PROMISE OF DISCOVERY SHIELDED WEBB ON WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN A 185 00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:25,510 TREACHEROUS JOURNEY. IT WAS TO LAUNCH SEVEN YEARS AGO, BUT DELAYS COME WITH A MACHINE THIS AMBITIOUS. 186 00:22:25,577 --> 00:22:34,119 BECAUSE OF COST OVERRUNS, WEBB WAS CANCELLED, IN 2011, BY THE HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE; BUT IT WAS SAVED IN THE SENATE. 187 00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:42,961 ITS NAMESAKE IS JAMES WEBB, HEAD OF NASA IN THE 1960s, WHO MADE SCIENCE A TOP PRIORITY. WHAT ARE THE STAKES? 188 00:22:43,028 --> 00:22:47,999 WHAT'S RIDING ON THAT ROCKET WITH WEBB? >> Bill Ochs: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT'S AT STAKE, IT REALLY 189 00:22:48,066 --> 00:22:55,774 IS NASA'S REPUTATION, TO TAKE ON A MISSION THAT IS AS CHALLENGING AS WEBB AND BE SUCCESSFUL. >> Pelley: BILL OCHS AND GREG 190 00:22:55,841 --> 00:23:03,415 ROBINSON RUN THE PROGRAM. OCHS WAS AN ENGINEER ON HUBBLE. ROBINSON HAS SUPERVISED NASA QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE. 191 00:23:03,482 --> 00:23:09,221 >> Greg Robinson: IF YOU WANT TO BE BOLD AND GET THE KIND OF SCIENCE WE'RE AFTER, YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE INVESTMENT. 192 00:23:09,287 --> 00:23:14,960 AND IT'S GOING TO ANSWER TWO BIG QUESTIONS FOR ASTROPHYSICS: WHERE DID WE COME FROM, AND, ARE WE ALONE? 193 00:23:15,026 --> 00:23:18,897 AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THOSE RESULTS. >> Pelley: IS WEBB GOING TO WORK? 194 00:23:18,964 --> 00:23:22,834 >> Robinson: YES, IT'S GOING TO WORK. I HAVE VERY HIGH CONFIDENCE. >> Ochs: I AM 100% CONFIDENT. 195 00:23:22,901 --> 00:23:30,442 >> Pelley: WHY 100% CONFIDENT? >> Ochs: BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE TESTING THAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE YEARS, AND THE TYPE OF 196 00:23:30,509 --> 00:23:35,213 ENGINEERING THAT WENT INTO IT, YOU BUILD A SENSE OF CONFIDENCE THAT, YOU KNOW THIS IS GOING TO WORK. 197 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,785 >> Pelley: WHAT ARE YOU MOST CONCERNED ABOUT? >> Ochs: UNFOLDING THE ENTIRE TELESCOPE IS WHAT YOU WORRY 198 00:23:39,851 --> 00:23:47,626 ABOUT. >> Pelley: THE OBSERVATORY HAD TO BE FOLDED INTO AN "ARIANE 5" ROCKET JUST 16 FEET WIDE-- 199 00:23:47,692 --> 00:23:55,267 IT'S WRAPPED TODAY TIGHT AS A ROSE-BUD. IN FLIGHT, MORE THAN 40 SYSTEMS MUST BLOSSOM WITH PERFECTION, 200 00:23:55,333 --> 00:24:04,309 INCLUDING AMY LO'S NEVER- INVENTED-BEFORE SUN-SHIELD. >> Pelley: ALL FIVE LAYERS WILL BE FOLDED UP AND HELD IN PLACE 201 00:24:04,376 --> 00:24:11,082 BY PINS. HOW MANY PINS ARE THERE? >> Lo: THERE'S 107 OF THESE MEMBRANE-RELEASE DEVICES AND 202 00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:18,723 PINS, THAT HOLD ALL FIVE LAYERS PINNED TO THIS STRUCTURE HERE, CALLED A U.P.S. ALL TOTAL, 107. 203 00:24:18,790 --> 00:24:24,563 >> Pelley: AND AS YOU'RE UNFOLDING, HOW MANY OF THOSE CAN FAIL? >> Lo: NONE. 204 00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:28,166 >> Pelley: NONE? >> Lo: NONE. >> Pelley: NOT ONE? >> Lo: NOT ONE. 205 00:24:28,233 --> 00:24:36,374 >> Pelley: THERE IS LITERALLY NO ROOM FOR ERROR. >> Lo: WE TEST AND WE DO A LOT OF ANALYSIS TO ENSURE THAT EACH 206 00:24:36,441 --> 00:24:42,647 AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE WILL RELEASE ON ORBIT. >> Pelley: $10 BILLION RIDES ON THOSE PINS. 207 00:24:42,714 --> 00:24:50,488 THE HUBBLE TELESCOPE, 340 MILES UP, COULD BE REACHED WITH A WRENCH. WEBB, AT A MILLION MILES, IS 208 00:24:50,555 --> 00:24:57,662 BEYOND REPAIR. BILL OCHS TOLD US THAT IF SOMETHING DOES GET STUCK, THERE IS AN EMERGENCY PLAN. 209 00:24:57,729 --> 00:25:03,635 >> Ochs: WE'VE DEVELOPED ALGORITHMS TO, ESSENTIALLY, WE CALL IT "THE SHIMMY." WE DO A LITTLE SHAKE ON THE 210 00:25:03,702 --> 00:25:08,607 TELESCOPE, AND WE CAN ROCK IT BACK AND FORTH. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE WE CALL "THE TWIRL," 211 00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:13,879 WHICH CAN ACTUALLY SPIN THE TELESCOPE EITHER CLOCKWISE OR COUNTERCLOCKWISE, TO HELP SHAKE THINGS LOOSE. 212 00:25:13,945 --> 00:25:17,782 >> Pelley: SO, YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT I DO WITH DEVICES WHEN THEY'RE NOT WORKING-- YOU'RE GOING TO SHAKE IT. 213 00:25:17,849 --> 00:25:26,124 >> Ochs: YEAH, YEAH, KIND OF DO THE SAME THING, YES. >> Pelley: IF 107 PINS RELEASE, THE MIRRORS SYNCHRONIZE, AND 214 00:25:26,191 --> 00:25:34,165 10,000 THINGS GO RIGHT, WEBB WILL BE LIMITED ONLY BY ABOUT TEN YEARS OF FUEL FOR PIVOTING AND POINTING. 215 00:25:34,232 --> 00:25:42,507 CANADA CONTRIBUTED THE AIMING SYSTEM THAT WILL GUIDE WEBB TO WONDERS FAR AND NEAR. MORE THAN 1,000 ASTRONOMERS 216 00:25:42,574 --> 00:25:49,180 AROUND THE WORLD ARE COMPETING FOR TELESCOPE TIME. HEIDI HAMMEL WAS GRANTED 100 HOURS. 217 00:25:49,247 --> 00:25:57,255 >> Heidi Hammel: I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS. MY PARTICULAR FOCUS IS OBJECTS IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM. 218 00:25:57,322 --> 00:26:06,231 >> Pelley: HAMMEL TOLD US THAT LIGHT IS FULL OF INFORMATION. WEBB CAN DEFINE THE CHEMISTRY OF A PLACE BY ANALYZING ITS 219 00:26:06,298 --> 00:26:12,337 WAVELENGTHS OF LIGHT. >> Hammel: WHAT IS THE ATMOSPHERIC WATER CONTENT OF MARS, AND HOW DOES IT CHANGE 220 00:26:12,404 --> 00:26:21,813 WITH TIME? WHAT DRIVES THE CHEMISTRY IN THE UPPER ATMOSPHERE OF NEPTUNE? CAN WE SEE IF THERE'S WATER 221 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:28,687 COMING OUT OF THE MOONS OF JUPITER OR SATURN? THERE ARE JUST AN INFINITE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS I WANT TO 222 00:26:28,753 --> 00:26:34,125 ANSWER. >> Pelley: ASTROPHYSICIST NATALIE BATALHA ALSO HAS TIME ON WEBB. 223 00:26:34,192 --> 00:26:41,800 SHE'LL BE LOOKING AT PLANETS BEYOND OUR SOLAR SYSTEM. >> Natalie Batalha: ON AVERAGE, EVERY STAR IN THE GALAXY HAS AT 224 00:26:41,866 --> 00:26:46,905 LEAST ONE PLANET. THAT MEANS THAT THERE ARE MORE PLANETS IN THE GALAXY THAN THERE ARE STARS. 225 00:26:46,972 --> 00:26:54,546 HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF PLANETS. >> Pelley: AND WITH THAT MANY PLANETS, BATALHA IS SURE WEBB COULD FIND SOME WITH THE 226 00:26:54,612 --> 00:27:02,721 CHEMISTRY AND CONDITIONS OF LIFE. >> Batalha: THERE HAPPENS TO BE ONE PLANETARY SYSTEM-- THE STAR 227 00:27:02,787 --> 00:27:10,595 HAS SEVEN PLANETS ORBITING IT. AND THE STAR IS ONLY ABOUT 40 LIGHT YEARS AWAY, SO IT'S A GREAT TARGET TO STUDY. 228 00:27:10,662 --> 00:27:19,004 AND IT HAS THREE EARTH-SIZED PLANETS ORBITING IN WHAT I WOULD CALL THE GOLDILOCKS ZONE, WHERE LIFE COULD POTENTIALLY EXIST. 229 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:22,607 >> Pelley: NOT TOO HOT, NOT TOO COLD. >> Batalha: THAT'S THE IDEA. YES. 230 00:27:22,674 --> 00:27:30,281 AND SO, THIS IS ALSO ONE OF THE VERY FIRST TARGETS THAT WE'RE GOING TO OBSERVE WITH WEBB. AND WHAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE 231 00:27:30,348 --> 00:27:36,921 IS, IS THERE CARBON DIOXIDE IN THE ATMOSPHERE? WHAT ARE THE GREENHOUSE GASSES? IS THERE CARBON DIOXIDE IN 232 00:27:36,988 --> 00:27:43,328 COMBINATION WITH METHANE? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EARTH HAS. SO, BY LOOKING AT THESE CHEMICAL CONSTITUENTS, WE MIGHT BE ABLE 233 00:27:43,395 --> 00:27:49,300 TO PIECE TOGETHER IF IT'S NOT JUST A PLANET IN WHAT WE CALL THE "HABITABLE ZONE," BUT IF IT'S TRULY A HABITABLE 234 00:27:49,367 --> 00:27:55,173 ENVIRONMENT. >> Pelley: AND SOMEBODY MIGHT ASK, "WHY DOES IT MATTER?" >> Batalha: THE END POINT IS 235 00:27:55,240 --> 00:28:01,012 TO PUT AN END TO OUR COSMIC LONELINESS. WE WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S LIFE OUT THERE. 236 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:10,822 >> Pelley: FROM A RESEARCHER'S PERSPECTIVE, IS WEBB EVOLUTIONARY OR REVOLUTIONARY? >> Batalha: EVERY TIME YOU PUT A 237 00:28:10,889 --> 00:28:18,196 NEW PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY INTO SPACE, OR YOU LOOK AT THE UNIVERSE WITH DIFFERENT EYES, YOU-- YOU LEARN SOMETHING 238 00:28:18,263 --> 00:28:22,967 REVOLUTIONARY. SOMETHING THAT YOU COULDN'T HAVE EVEN PREDICTED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE 239 00:28:23,034 --> 00:28:30,809 SURPRISES ARE GOING TO BE, BUT THE TECHNOLOGY IS REVOLUTIONARY. AND THERE WILL BE TREMENDOUS SURPRISES THAT WILL ASTOUND US. 240 00:28:30,875 --> 00:28:38,817 >> Pelley: WEBB IS ON THE DOORSTEP, ABOARD A EUROPEAN SPACE AGENCY ROCKET. SOME, INCLUDING AMY LO, MAY HOLD 241 00:28:38,883 --> 00:28:47,025 THEIR BREATH AS IT UNFOLDS ITSELF ON THE MONTH-LONG JOURNEY TO ITS STATION AROUND THE SUN. THE FIRST IMAGES, IN SIX MONTHS 242 00:28:47,092 --> 00:28:56,768 OR SO, WILL BE CONVERTED FROM INVISIBLE INFRARED INTO PICTURES SUITABLE FOR HEADLINES. CHANCES ARE, WHAT WE SEE, 243 00:28:56,835 --> 00:29:15,019 WE WILL NOT UNDERSTAND-- THE VERY DEFINITION OF WONDER. ( TICKING ) >> Jon Wertheim: A REMOTE JEWEL 244 00:29:15,086 --> 00:29:20,692 OF LAND OFF THE COAST OF CANADA, FOGO ISLAND FLOATS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE NORTHEAST PROVINCE OF 245 00:29:20,758 --> 00:29:26,631 NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR, THE OUTSTRETCHED RIGHT FINGERTIP OF THIS CONTINENT. THE PLACE MIGHT BE DROP-DEAD 246 00:29:26,698 --> 00:29:33,238 GORGEOUS, BUT IT WASN'T IMMUNE TO THE FATE BEFALLING SO MANY SMALL AND ISOLATED COMMUNITIES IN NORTH AMERICA: 247 00:29:33,304 --> 00:29:39,911 ITS ONE AND ONLY INDUSTRY WENT INTO STEEP DECLINE, AND SO IN TURN, DID ITS POPULATION. THEN, ABOUT A DECADE AGO, 248 00:29:39,978 --> 00:29:46,451 A LOCAL RETURNED HOME, FRESH OFF MAKING A FORTUNE IN THE TECH SECTOR. HER POCKETS WERE DEEP. 249 00:29:46,518 --> 00:29:53,258 SO WAS HER DESIRE TO LIFT UP THE PLACE AND BRING PEOPLE BACK. SO, SHE UNLEASHED A SORT OF ECONOMIC EXPERIMENT. 250 00:29:53,324 --> 00:30:01,766 WE TOOK TWO PLANES, A LONG DRIVE, AND A FERRY TO REACH FOGO ISLAND, AND CHECK ON THE EARLY RESULTS. 251 00:30:01,833 --> 00:30:09,140 THE SAYING HERE GOES: YOU'LL KNOW THE NEWFOUNDLANDERS IN HEAVEN-- THEY'LL BE THE ONES WHO WANT TO GO HOME. 252 00:30:09,207 --> 00:30:16,748 AND THE ADAGE COMES TO LIFE ON FOGO ISLAND, A 90-SQUARE MILE PATCHWORK OF TEN MINISCULE FISHING VILLAGES, WHERE 253 00:30:16,814 --> 00:30:24,355 CLAPBOARD HOUSES THE COLOR OF JELLY BEANS CLING TO ROCK 400 MILLION YEARS OLD. AMONG ITS QUIRKS, NEWFOUNDLAND 254 00:30:24,422 --> 00:30:33,164 HAS ITS OWN TIME ZONE-- HALF AN HOUR AHEAD OF THE MAINLAND. BUT WANDER THROUGH FOGO ISLAND'S VILLAGES, AND YOU MIGHT AS WELL 255 00:30:33,231 --> 00:30:38,603 SET YOUR WATCH BACK TO THE 18th CENTURY. ( PIG SNORTING ) BACK THEN, ALL YOU NEEDED TO 256 00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:48,313 GET BY HERE WAS A PIG, A POTATO PATCH, AND SOMETHING CALLED A PUNT: A SMALL, WOODEN FISHING BOAT USED IN PURSUIT OF NORTH 257 00:30:48,379 --> 00:30:57,255 ATLANTIC COD, THE SPECIES THAT ONCE KEPT THIS PLACE AFLOAT. SEEMINGLY EVERY STRUCTURE ON THE ISLAND WAS BUILT IN SERVICE OF 258 00:30:57,322 --> 00:31:06,431 CATCHING AND PRESERVING FISH. WITH ONE GLEAMING EXCEPTION. A $40 MILLION, LUXURY INN. PART EDGE-OF-THE-EARTH 259 00:31:06,497 --> 00:31:14,305 DESTINATION, PART ECONOMIC- ENGINE-ON-STILTS, THE INN IS THE BRAINCHILD OF EIGHTH-GENERATION FOGO ISLANDER ZITA COBB. 260 00:31:14,372 --> 00:31:19,310 AND LOCALS GAVE HER A FUNNY LOOK WHEN SHE FIRST FLOATED THE IDEA. WHAT KIND OF REACTION DID THAT GET? 261 00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:23,414 >> Zita Cobb: "WHY WOULD ANYONE COME HERE?" WE LOVE THIS PLACE, BUT IT WASN'T OBVIOUS WHEN, YOU KNOW, 262 00:31:23,481 --> 00:31:28,753 THERE ARE FANCY PLACES IN THE WORLD THAT PEOPLE GO. OUR ASSUMPTION IS EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO WHERE IT'S WARM. 263 00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:33,191 ( LAUGHS ) >> Wertheim: SOMEONE SUGGESTED TO US, IT LOOKED LIKE A SHIP. >> Cobb: THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE 264 00:31:33,258 --> 00:31:39,697 INN WAS OBVIOUSLY A TOPIC OF MUCH CONVERSATION. I THINK ABOUT IT AS A METAPHOR. IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE FROM HERE AND 265 00:31:39,764 --> 00:31:44,969 PEOPLE FROM AWAY. IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE AND THE PAST. >> Wertheim: THE PAST LOOMS 266 00:31:45,036 --> 00:31:51,743 LARGE ON FOGO ISLAND. TO FULLY APPRECIATE THE INN, EVEN AS A METAPHOR, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND FOGO'S HISTORY. 267 00:31:51,809 --> 00:31:58,383 IT'S JUST SOMETHING. ZITA COBB TOOK US THROUGH DOZENS OF TINY ISLANDS THAT DOT FOGO'S WATERS TO A PLACE CALLED LITTLE 268 00:31:58,449 --> 00:32:07,258 FOGO ISLAND; AND FOR THOSE KEEPING TRACK, THAT'S AN ISLAND, OFF AN ISLAND, OFF AN ISLAND. HER ANCESTORS LANDED HERE FROM 269 00:32:07,325 --> 00:32:14,165 IRELAND AND SOUTH ENGLAND. THEY CAME FOR ONE REASON. >> Cobb: FISH, FISH, AND FISH. >> Wertheim: WHEN YOU SAY FISH, 270 00:32:14,232 --> 00:32:20,305 IS IT JUST A GIVEN? >> Cobb: IT'S A GIVEN. SO WHEN, YES, WHEN WE SAY FISH, WE MEAN COD. 271 00:32:20,371 --> 00:32:26,511 >> Wertheim: IS IT POSSIBLE TO EXAGGERATE THE IMPORTANCE OF COD TO THIS PLACE? >> Cobb: NO, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE, 272 00:32:26,577 --> 00:32:34,252 BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT SOMEONE FROM HERE, YOU CAN FIGURE IT OUT BY JUST STUDYING THAT LOWLY FISH. 273 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:39,123 IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A NOBLE FISH. >> Wertheim: A NOBLE FISH? >> Cobb: IT ASKS VERY LITTLE, 274 00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:45,029 AND GIES SO MUCH. THEY EXIST ON ALMOST ANYTHING. I MEAN, I THINK A COD COULD EAT A RUBBER BOOT, IF IT HAD TO. 275 00:32:45,096 --> 00:32:51,369 >> Wertheim: NOT UNLIKE THE NOBLE FISH, ZITA COBB'S FAMILY SURVIVED WITHOUT FUSS. IN COD THEY TRUSTED. 276 00:32:51,436 --> 00:32:57,408 FAMILIES WORKED SIDE-BY-SIDE HERE, TRADING THEIR FISH FOR GOODS. NO BANK ACCOUNTS, NO CASH. 277 00:32:57,475 --> 00:33:03,748 COBB'S PARENTS COULD NEITHER READ NOR WRITE. SHE AND HER SIX BROTHERS GREW UP IN A HOUSE WITH NO ELECTRICITY. 278 00:33:03,815 --> 00:33:09,253 SHE SAYS IT WAS A HAPPY CHILDHOOD. UNTIL IT WASN'T. >> Wertheim: WHAT HAPPENED? 279 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:15,193 >> Cobb: THE WORST OF THE 20th CENTURY CAME DOWN ON TOP OF US VERY QUICKLY, IN THE FORM OF THE INDUSTRIALIZATION OF THE 280 00:33:15,259 --> 00:33:21,833 FISHERIES. SO, THESE ENORMOUS FACTORY SHIPS SHOWED UP HERE, ALL ALONG THE COAST OF NEWFOUNDLAND, AND 281 00:33:21,899 --> 00:33:29,540 FISHED DAY AND NIGHT UNTIL JUST ABOUT EVERY LAST FISH WAS GONE. >> Wertheim: WITH ONE SMALL PUNT LAUNCHED FROM THIS ONE DOCK, 282 00:33:29,607 --> 00:33:35,513 COBB'S FATHER COULDN'T COMPETE WITH COMMERCIAL VESSELS THAT HAD COME TO THE NORTH ATLANTIC FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. 283 00:33:35,580 --> 00:33:39,917 HOW BAD DID THINGS GET FOR HIM? >> Cobb: THINGS GOT-- HE WOULD GO OUT AND COME BACK WITH NOTHING. 284 00:33:39,984 --> 00:33:47,091 BUT ONE DAY IN PARTICULAR, HE CAME BACK WITH ONE FISH. AND HE BROUGHT THE FISH INTO THE HOUSE, AND HE SLAPPED IT 285 00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:54,198 DOWN ONTO THE KITCHEN FLOOR, AND SAID, "WELL, IT'S DONE." AND IT WAS THE NEXT DAY HE BURNED HIS BOAT. 286 00:33:54,265 --> 00:33:57,902 >> Wertheim: HE BURNED HIS BOAT? >> Cobb: HE BURNED HIS BOAT. >> Wertheim: IT'S ALMOST LIKE A SACRIFICE. 287 00:33:57,969 --> 00:34:05,710 >> Cobb: IT WAS. HE DID IT AS A STATEMENT. HE DID IT AS AN EXPRESSION OF PAIN AND ANGER. 288 00:34:05,777 --> 00:34:12,617 >> Wertheim: LAMBERT COBB MADE THIS SACRIFICE ONCE HE REALIZED THAT THOSE BIG BOATS WERE-- IN HIS WORDS-- TURNING FISH INTO 289 00:34:12,683 --> 00:34:17,855 MONEY. >> Cobb: HE SAID TO ME, AS A TEN-YEAR-OLD, "YOU HAVE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS MONEY THING 290 00:34:17,922 --> 00:34:23,394 WORKS. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, IT'S GOING TO EAT EVERYTHING WE LOVE." >> Wertheim: HE WASN'T WRONG. 291 00:34:23,461 --> 00:34:31,269 AS FISH STOCKS DWINDLED, SO DID THE ISLAND'S POPULATION-- FROM 5,000 TO 2,500. THE COBBS LEFT, GRUDGINGLY, FOR 292 00:34:31,335 --> 00:34:38,009 THE MAINLAND IN THE 1970s. ZITA COBB'S FATHER DIED SHORTLY THEREAFTER; BUT SHE HEEDED HIS ADVICE. 293 00:34:38,075 --> 00:34:44,515 SHE GOT A BUSINESS DEGREE, WORKED IN FIBER OPTICS, LANDED IN SILICON VALLEY, AND BEFORE LONG, WAS THE THIRD-HIGHEST PAID 294 00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:51,889 FEMALE EXECUTIVE IN AMERICA. IN HER EARLY 40s, SHE CASHED OUT TENS OF MILLIONS IN STOCK OPTIONS, DROPPED OUT OF THE 295 00:34:51,956 --> 00:34:58,329 WINNER-TAKE-ALL ECONOMY, AND TOOK HER BUSINESS SAVVY HOME, DETERMINED TO REVITALIZE FOGO ISLAND. 296 00:34:58,396 --> 00:35:03,801 INSTEAD OF WRITING A CHECK, SHE POSED A QUESTION: >> Cobb: WHAT DO WE HAVE, AND WHAT DO WE KNOW? 297 00:35:03,868 --> 00:35:11,709 AND HOW CAN WE PUT THAT FORWARD IN A WAY THAT'S DIGNIFIED FOR FOGO ISLANDERS, AND CREATES ECONOMY, AND CONNECTS US TO THE 298 00:35:11,776 --> 00:35:19,684 WORLD? ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Wertheim: SPEND ONE NIGHT AT WHAT THE LOCALS CALL A 299 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:26,657 SHED PARTY, AND THE ANSWER EMERGES. >> Cobb: WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF THIS PLACE, IF 300 00:35:26,724 --> 00:35:31,662 THERE'S ONE THING WE'RE REALLY GOOD AT IT'S HOSPITALITY. >> Wertheim: WHAT DOES HOSPITALITY MEAN HERE? 301 00:35:31,729 --> 00:35:37,201 >> Cobb: HOSPITALITY, IN ITS PUREST FORM, IS THE LOVE OF A STRANGER. WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF STRANGERS 302 00:35:37,268 --> 00:35:42,640 AND WHEN THEY ARRIVED, AS MY MOTHER USED TO SAY, IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO SEE A LIGHT COMING INTO THE HARBOR THAN A LIGHT 303 00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:47,512 GOING OUT. >> Wertheim: SO, IN 2013, COBB BUILT THE BIGGEST BEACON IN THE HARBOR. 304 00:35:47,578 --> 00:35:54,485 SHE MADETHE FOGO ISLAND INN THE CENTERPIECE OF A CHARITABLE TRUST-- CALLED SHOREFAST-- WITH PROFITS REINVESTED IN THE 305 00:35:54,552 --> 00:35:59,290 ISLAND. AT $2,000 A NIGHT, THE INN DOES TURN A PROFIT. BUT THERE WERE OTHER 306 00:35:59,357 --> 00:36:05,463 CONSIDERATIONS. >> Cobb: WE'RE GOING TO PUT A 29-ROOM INN ON AN ISLAND THAT'S NEVER HAD AN INN. 307 00:36:05,530 --> 00:36:09,734 WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT? WELL, MORE PEOPLE WILL COME? WELL, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE? 308 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,439 AS ONE WOMAN SAID "WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ONLY 2,500 PEOPLE. WE CAN ONLY LOVE SO MANY PEOPLE AT A TIME." 309 00:36:15,506 --> 00:36:22,747 >> Wertheim: SHOREFAST AND THE INN EMPLOY MORE THAN 300 ISLANDERS, BUT THE REAL PAYOFF IS THE RIPPLE EFFECT. 310 00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:30,922 FOR STARTERS, ALL THE FURNITURE AT THE INN IS LOCALLY MADE. SAME FOR THE PILLOWS AND QUILTS. IT SO HAPPENS THE WOMEN OF FOGO 311 00:36:30,988 --> 00:36:36,527 ISLAND HAVE BEEN MAKING THEM FOR THEIR OWN HOMES FOR 400 YEARS. >> Lillian Dwyer: WE'RE GETTING THERE. 312 00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:41,799 WE GOT HALF DONE. >> Wertheim: WORD IS OUT NOW. THIS QUILT IS DESTINED FOR A CUSTOMER IN BALTIMORE. 313 00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:46,237 WE JOINED THE QUILTING BEE... >> Dwyer: WATCH HIM, MILLICENT. >> Wertheim: ...BUT DIDN'T LAST LONG. 314 00:36:46,304 --> 00:36:50,975 IT WAS ALL VERY NICE, EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE SQUARE. >> Dwight Budden: THIS IS OUR LETTUCE ROOM. 315 00:36:51,042 --> 00:36:55,813 >> Wertheim: SHOREFAST PUTS UP SEED MONEY FOR NEW BUSINESSES, TOO-- A QUARTER OF A MILLION DOLLARS SO FAR. 316 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,319 >> Hayward Budden: AND THEN YOU PUT YOUR PLANT IN. >> Wertheim: A $7,500 MICRO-LOAN WENT TO DWIGHT BUDDEN AND HIS 317 00:37:01,385 --> 00:37:09,393 FATHER HAYWARD, A FORMER FISHER WHO LEFT FOGO ISLAND WHEN THE INDUSTRY COLLAPSED. HE'S BACK NOW, AS A HYDROPONIC 318 00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:14,198 FARMER, GROWING GREENS FOR THE INN. >> Dwight Budden: YEAH, THERE'S OUR KALE. 319 00:37:14,265 --> 00:37:19,103 >> Wertheim: DOES HAYWARD EAT KALE? >> Hayward Budden: NOT TOO MUCH. ( LAUGHS ) 320 00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:26,043 >> Wertheim: BEYOND THE KALE, NEW CULTURE IS TAKING ROOT. FUTURISTIC-LOOKING STUDIOS NOW SPECKLE THE LANDSCAPE-- PART OF 321 00:37:26,110 --> 00:37:36,420 SHOREFAST'S AMBITION TO BRING ARTISTS-IN-RESIDENCE TO FOGO. AND BACK AT THE INN, A CHEF TURNS COD INTO HAUTE CUISINE. 322 00:37:36,487 --> 00:37:42,560 >> Wertheim: IF YOUR DAD SAW COD WITH MAGNOLIA OIL AND SEA FOAM-- >> Cobb: AND PORCINI. >> Wertheim: AND PORCINI-- 323 00:37:42,627 --> 00:37:45,363 >> Cobb: CINI-- YES. ( LAUGHS ) >> Wertheim: WHAT WOULD HE SAY? >> Cobb: YES. 324 00:37:45,429 --> 00:37:49,367 FIRST THING, HE'D SAY, "CAN YOU REALLY EAT THAT?" >> Wertheim: YOU CAN DO MORE THAN EAT COD; YOU CAN FISH FOR 325 00:37:49,433 --> 00:37:55,573 IT AGAIN. NOW THAT A DECADES-LONG BAN HAS BEEN EASED, FOGO ISLAND'S FISHERS ARE BACK HAULING COD. 326 00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:03,347 WE VENTURED OUT OF FOGO HARBOR WITH BROTHERS GLEN AND JERRY BEST-- THE FIFTH GENERATION OF THEIR FAMILY TO HARVEST THESE 327 00:38:03,414 --> 00:38:07,518 WATERS. >> Glen Best: YOU GO EAST, YOUR NEXT STOP IS IRELAND. >> Wertheim: IRELAND? 328 00:38:07,585 --> 00:38:11,188 >> Glen Best: WE'RE NOT GOING THERE TODAY. ( LAUGHS ) >> Jerry Best: HAND OVER HAND, 329 00:38:11,255 --> 00:38:14,692 LIKE THAT. ALL RIGHT. >> Wertheim: THE BEST BROTHERS SHOWED US THE TRADITIONAL 330 00:38:14,759 --> 00:38:21,465 NEWFOUNDLAND WAY OF FISHING WITH A HANDLINE-- 150 FEET DOWN, NO RODS, REELS, OR NETS. NOW WE'RE TALKING 331 00:38:21,532 --> 00:38:26,570 >> Glen Best: THAT'S A BEAUTY. >> Wertheim: UP COMES COD, WITHOUT MUCH OF A FIGHT. >> Glen Best: NOW THAT'S A NICE 332 00:38:26,637 --> 00:38:32,777 COD. THAT'S PROBABLY A 20-POUND FISH. >> Wertheim: COD IS MAKING A COMEBACK IN THE NORTH ATLANTIC. 333 00:38:32,843 --> 00:38:40,418 CANADA STILL IMPOSES CATCH LIMITS, BUT WHEN THE BESTS GET DOWN TO BUSINESS, THEY USE AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM TO DROP 334 00:38:40,484 --> 00:38:46,157 THOUSANDS OF HOOKS IN THE WATER AT A TIME. WE WATCHED THEM OFFLOAD 20,000 POUNDS OF COD FROM A SINGLE 335 00:38:46,223 --> 00:38:53,397 TRIP. WHAT'S MORE, SHELLFISH HAS DONE THE UNTHINKABLE, AND DETHRONED COD AS KING. 336 00:38:53,464 --> 00:39:01,138 CRAB AND SHRIMP NOW MAKE UP 80% OF GLEN BEST'S BUSINESS; AND HE'S NEVER HAD A BETTER YEAR. YOU TOLD ME YOU CAUGHT 400,000 337 00:39:01,205 --> 00:39:06,577 POUNDS OF SNOW CRAB. AT $7.60 A POUND. >> Glen Best: YEAH, IT'S PRETTY GOOD. 338 00:39:06,644 --> 00:39:10,247 >> Wertheim: $3 MILLION BUCKS. >> Glen Best: IT ADDS UP. >> Wertheim: THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. >> Glen Best: YEAH, IT WAS A 339 00:39:10,314 --> 00:39:14,218 GOOD YEAR. >> Wertheim: BUT A THRIVING FISHERY ISN'T ALWAYS ENOUGH TO KEEP THE KIDS AROUND. 340 00:39:14,285 --> 00:39:19,857 BEST'S THREE CHILDREN HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM FOGO TO PURSUE OTHER CAREERS. YOUR FAMILY'S BEEN DOING THIS 341 00:39:19,924 --> 00:39:25,262 FOR GENERATIONS. YOU NAMED THIS BOAT AFTER YOUR DAD. >> Glen Best: SO, THE SAD PART 342 00:39:25,329 --> 00:39:31,669 ABOUT IT IS THAT JERRY AND MYSELF, WE PROBABLY COULD BE THE LAST GENERATION THAT WILL FISH WITHIN OUR FAMILY. 343 00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:38,709 WHEN THE DAY COMES, THAT THAT HAPPENS, THAT WILL PROBABLY BE A SAD DAY. >> Wertheim: STILL, FOGO 344 00:39:38,776 --> 00:39:43,514 ISLAND'S POPULATION HAS STABILIZED. THERE'S HOPE THE NEXT CENSUS WILL SHOW AN UPTICK. 345 00:39:43,581 --> 00:39:49,553 BABIES ARE THE ISLAND'S BIGGEST CELEBRITIES. BUT, AS EVER, WITH GROWTH, COME GROWING PAINS. 346 00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:57,228 IT'S ALREADY BECOME ONE OF THOSE ISLANDS WHERE YOU HAVE TO PRAY TO GET A SPOT ON THE FERRY. JENNIFER SEXTON SPENT SUMMERS ON 347 00:39:57,294 --> 00:40:03,400 FOGO ISLAND VISITING HER GRANDPARENTS. SHE RECENTLY MOVED HERE FROM WESTERN CANADA TO OPEN THIS 348 00:40:03,467 --> 00:40:08,973 COFFEE JOINT, WHERE LOCALS MIX WITH THOSE WHO COME FROM AWAY. >> Jennifer Sexton: EVERYBODY ASKS ABOUT THE INN. 349 00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:13,911 >> Wertheim: WHAT DO YOU TELL THEM? >> Sexton: WELL, IT'S A BLESSING AND A CURSE. 350 00:40:13,978 --> 00:40:20,785 >> Wertheim: HER REGULARS GRUMBLE THAT NOT LONG AGO, THEY COULD GET A HOME FOR $25,000-- CANADIAN. 351 00:40:20,851 --> 00:40:26,123 NOW HOMES COST TEN TIMES AS MUCH. >> Sexton: FOR SOMEBODY FROM AWAY, THAT WOULDN'T BE A LOT. 352 00:40:26,190 --> 00:40:31,962 BUT FOR SOMEBODY FROM HERE, THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY. >> Wertheim: ZITA COBB, THE WOMAN WHO TURNED THIS TIDE, 353 00:40:32,029 --> 00:40:39,003 SAYS SHE DOESN'T WANT UNCHECKED GROWTH, EITHER. >> Cobb: AS THE ECONOMY GROWS, WE WILL BE SMALLER AS A 354 00:40:39,069 --> 00:40:43,140 PERCENTAGE OF THE WHOLE ECONOMY. >> Wertheim: A RARE BUSINESS LEADER THAT WANTS LESS MARKET SHARE. 355 00:40:43,207 --> 00:40:47,444 ( LAUGHS ) >> Cobb: WE WANT LESS MARKET SHARE, EXACTLY. >> Wertheim: YOU SAY THAT WITH A 356 00:40:47,511 --> 00:40:51,682 SMILE ON YOUR FACE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY HERE. >> Cobb: YEAH. I MEAN, THE CONSEQUENCES ARE 357 00:40:51,749 --> 00:40:57,321 HUGE, BECAUSE-- AS MY BROTHER SAYS, YES, OUR-- OUR PARENTS WILL GET OUT OF THE GRAVEYARD AND WRING OUR NECKS IF WE-- IF 358 00:40:57,388 --> 00:41:02,226 WE MESS THIS UP. >> Wertheim: WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THE-- THE CAPITALIST WHO WOULD SAY, WHY ARE YOU 359 00:41:02,293 --> 00:41:07,765 LIMITING YOUR GROWTH? >> Cobb: THAT IS THE TECHNO- ECONOMIC QUESTION. BUT I START WITH A DIFFERENT 360 00:41:07,832 --> 00:41:13,771 QUESTION: WHAT ARE WE OPTIMIZING FOR? WE ARE OPTIMIZING FOR PLACE. WE'RE OPTIMIZING FOR COMMUNITY. 361 00:41:13,838 --> 00:41:19,810 >> Wertheim: THE PILLARS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN WON OVER. IF COBB'S EXPERIMENT HELPS DIVERSIFY THE ECONOMY, GLEN BEST 362 00:41:19,877 --> 00:41:24,748 SAYS HE'S ALL-IN. >> Glen Best: IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE OVERRUN BY TOURISM. THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS 363 00:41:24,815 --> 00:41:28,686 HERE. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THE VENICE OF-- NEWFOUNDLAND, YOU KNOW? 364 00:41:28,752 --> 00:41:33,691 WE'RE NOT OUT OF PATIENCE WITH PEOPLE YET. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> Wertheim: ON OUR LAST NIGHT, 365 00:41:33,757 --> 00:41:43,367 AT THE SHED PARTY, WE GOT THE FULL SWEEP OF FOGO ISLAND, ITS HOSPITALITY, AND ITS CONTRASTS LAID OUT ON THE TABLE. 366 00:41:43,434 --> 00:41:51,809 COD AND CRAB. YOUNG AND OLD. WARMTH, WIT, AND THIS: ♪ DON'T TELL FATE WHAT TO DO ♪ 367 00:41:51,876 --> 00:41:57,581 >> Wertheim: A TRADITIONAL SONG DELIVERED WITH A HANDSHAKE. A KIND OF HOPE THAT COMES TEMPERED BY HISTORY. 368 00:41:57,648 --> 00:42:05,189 >> Cobb: THE UNDOING OF THIS TRADITIONAL WAY OF MAKING A LIFE WAS VERY PAINFUL. I THINK I STILL CARRY THOSE 369 00:42:05,256 --> 00:42:10,094 BROKEN HEARTS. I THINK THAT KIND OF PAIN DOESN'T GO AWAY. >> Wertheim: TO WHAT EXTENT HAS 370 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:15,532 THAT BEEN REPAIRED BY THE WORK YOU'VE DONE SINCE YOU'VE COME BACK? >> Cobb: YEAH, I THINK IT 371 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:22,473 ACTUALLY DOES HELP. YOU CAN HEAL A BROKEN HEART. ♪ BE SATISFIED WITH WHAT YOU'VE GOT 372 00:42:22,539 --> 00:42:40,557 ♪ LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE ♪ ( TICKING ) >> Pelley: NEXT SUNDAY ON "60 MINUTES," THE SCIENCE BEHIND 373 00:42:40,624 --> 00:42:46,263 THIS WEEKEND'S CATASTROPHIC STORM. WHAT SPAWNED ONE OF THE MOST DEVASTATING SWARMS OF TORNADOES 374 00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:52,403 EVER TO TEAR THROUGH THE UNITED STATES? MORE THAN 80 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED AND MANY ARE MISSING 375 00:42:52,469 --> 00:43:00,344 ACROSS ARKANSAS, TENNESSEE, MISSOURI, ILLINOIS AND KENTUCKY. THERE ARE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN LOSSES. 376 00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:07,818 NEXT SUNDAY, THE NEW SCIENCE OF SUPER STORMS. 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