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and FORD.
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We go further, so you can.
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>> THIS MAN SAYS PRINCE MOHAMMAD
BIN SALMAN, THE RULER OF SAUDIA
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ARABIA, SENT AN
ASSASSINATION
TEAM TO KILL HIM, JUST AS
THE
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PRINCE DID FOR JAMAL KHASHOGGI.
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>> I AM HERE TO SOUND THE ALARM
ABOUT A PSYCHOPATH, KILLER, IN
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THE MIDDLE EAST, WITH
INFINITE
RESOURCES, WHO POSES THREAT
TO
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HIS PEOPLE, TO THE
AMERICANS,
AND TO THE PLANET.
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>> HOW DID HE ESCAPE?
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AND WHY IS HE GOING PUBLIC?
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THAT'S OUR STORY TONIGHT.
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( TICKING )
>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE
MAIN
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WATER SOURCE FOR THE
SOUTHWEST
BEGINS TO RUN DRY?
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THE COLORADO RIVER SERVES
40 MILLION PEOPLE THEIR DRINKING
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WATER, POWERS THEIR HOMES,
AND
IRRIGATES 90% OF THE
NATION'S
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WINTER FARMED GREENS.
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TO ALL OF THOSE DEMANDS, ADD THE
STRESS OF A 22-YEAR DROUGHT, AND
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YOU HAVE THE MAKINGS OF A
CRISIS.
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THESE WHITE BATHTUB RINGS, IS
THIS WHERE THE WATER USED TO BE?
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>> ABSOLUTELY.
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( TICKING )
>> I'M BATMAN.
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>> HE'S PLAYED BATMAN, AND
BIRDMAN, AND STARRED IN
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"SPIDER-MAN."
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THE IRONY IS THAT MICHAEL
KEATON'S REAL SUPER POWER IS
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PORTRAYING THE EVERY-MAN.
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>> YEAH, 22O-221, WHATEVER
IT
TAKES.
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>> THE SALESMAN, THE F.B.I. MAN,
THE PUT-UPON NEWSPAPERMAN.
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AN ACTOR ON A CAREER-LONG
CRUSADE AGAINST TYPECASTING,
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KEATON IS WILLFULLY
UNPREDICTABLE IN CHOOSING
HIS
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ROLES.
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>> PEOPLE TALK ABOUT RANGE.
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THERE'S-- YOU KNOW, IT'S--
FLATTERING.
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BUT RANGE DOESN'T REALLY--
RANGE, SCHMANGE.
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YOU KNOW?
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( TICKING )
>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
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>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
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>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
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>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
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>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
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>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
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THOSE STORIES AND MORE, TONIGHT,
ON "60 MINUTES."
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>> Scott Pelley: MUCH OF THE
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WORLD WAS HORRIFIED WHEN
SAUDI
ARABIA SENT A HIT SQUAD TO
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TURKEY TO MURDER "WASHINGTON
POST" COLUMNIST JAMAL KHASHOGGI.
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TONIGHT, THE MAN YOU ARE
ABOUT
TO MEET SAYS A SECOND SAUDI
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ASSASSINATION TEAM WAS SENT
TO
KILL HIM IN CANADA.
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SAAD ALJABRI WAS NUMBER TWO
IN
SAUDI INTELLIGENCE, AND HE
WAS
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AMONG THE BEST FRIENDS
AMERICA
HAD AGAINST TERRORISM.
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NOW, SAAD IS ASKING
AMERICA'S
HELP.
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TRUTH IS HARD TO TRIANGULATE
AMONG SPIES, DESPOTS, AND
THE
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MIDDLE EAST.
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YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT
SAAD
ALJABRI MAY NOT BE SPOTLESS.
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BUT AS A SPYMASTER, SAAD SAYS HE
HAS ONE MORE FAVOR FOR AMERICA:
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A WARNING ABOUT A PRINCE, WITH
THE POWER TO TROUBLE THE WORLD.
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>> Dr. Saad Aljabri: I AM
HERE
TO SOUND THE ALARM ABOUT A
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PSYCHOPATH, KILLER, IN THE
MIDDLE EAST, WITH INFINITE
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RESOURCES, WHO POSES THREAT
TO
HIS PEOPLE, TO THE
AMERICANS,
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AND TO THE PLANET.
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>> Pelley: SAAD ALJABRI IS
TALKING ABOUT MOHAMMED BIN
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SALMAN, WHO SEIZED POWER BEHIND
THE BACK OF THE MAN GREETING
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PRESIDENT OBAMA.
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THAT'S MOHAMMED BIN NAYEF, THEN
HEIR TO THE THRONE.
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BUT IN 2017, NAYEF WAS ARRESTED
BY PRINCE MOHAMMED BIN SALMAN.
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A PSYCHOPATH?
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>> Saad Aljabri: A
PSYCHOPATH
WITH NO EMPATHY.
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DOESN'T FEEL EMOTION, NEVER
LEARNED FROM HIS EXPERIENCE.
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AND WE HAVE WITNESSED ATROCITIES
AND CRIMES COMMITTED BY THIS
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KILLER.
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>> Pelley: A SOURCE FROM
U.S.
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INTELLIGENCE TOLD US, SAAD
ALJABRI WOULD NEVER SHOW UP FOR
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THIS INTERVIEW.
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HE'D LIVED TOO LONG IN A SILENT
PROFESSION.
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THE FACT THAT HE DID SHOW UP IS
A MEASURE OF HIS DESPERATION.
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SAAD IS 62, MARRIED, EIGHT
CHILDREN.
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HE STARTED AS A COP, BUT ROSE TO
THE TOP OF SAUDI INTELLIGENCE
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AND EARNED A Ph.D IN THE SCIENCE
OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.
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HE COULD BE SEEN IN THE
OVAL OFFICE, WITH AMERICAN
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AMBASSADORS, THE U.S.
MILITARY
COMMAND, AND WITH MICHAEL
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MORELL, FORMER ACTING
DIRECTOR
OF THE C.I.A.
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>> Michael Morell: I'M A BIG
ADMIRER.
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I FOUND DR. SAAD TO BE
EXTRAORDINARILY BRIGHT.
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I FOUND HIM TO BE INCREDIBLY
LOYAL TO HIS COUNTRY.
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>> Pelley: WOULD YOU SAY
HONORABLE?
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>> Morell: HONORABLE, YES,
ABSOLUTELY.
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>> Pelley: BUT IN 2017, SAAD
FOUND HIMSELF ON THE WRONG SIDE
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OF PRINCE MOHAMMED'S COUP.
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THE DEPOSED PRINCE NAYEF WAS
SAAD'S BOSS.
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SAAD FLED TO CANADA, WHERE HE
REMAINS, AND REFUSES TO RETURN.
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NOW, PRINCE MOHAMMED IS
MAKING
SAAD'S FAMILY PAY.
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THE VERY DAY OF THE COUP, TWO OF
HIS CHILDREN WERE BARRED FROM
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LEAVING THE KINGDOM.
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THIS IS HIS DAUGHTER, SARAH.
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>> ♪ HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU ♪
>> Pelley: AND HIS SON OMAR.
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BOTH PLANNED TO BE IN
AMERICAN
COLLEGES.
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THEY ARE NOW IN SAUDI
PRISONS.
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NEXT, THE FAMILY SAYS,
PRINCE
MOHAMMED TARGETED SAAD'S
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SON-IN-LAW.
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THEY CLAIM THE SON-IN-LAW WAS
KIDNAPPED IN A THIRD COUNTRY AND
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RETURNED TO THE KINGDOM.
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>> Khalid Aljabri: THE FIRST
NIGHT HE WAS KIDNAPPED, HE
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RECEIVED MORE THAN 100
LASHES.
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HE WAS TORTURED.
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HE WAS BEATEN ON HIS BACK,
ON
HIS LEGS.
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>> Pelley: KHALID ALJABRI IS
SAAD'S ELDEST SON.
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WHAT WAS HE TOLD HE WAS
BEING
DETAINED FOR?
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>> Khalid Aljabri: HE WAS BEING
TOLD THAT HE WAS DETAINED AND
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TORTURED AS A PROXY FOR HIS
FATHER-IN-LAW, MEANING MY
DAD.
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THEY EVEN ASKED HIM A QUESTION,
"WHO DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD
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ARREST AND TORTURE, SO DR. SAAD
CAN COME BACK TO THE KINGDOM?"
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>> Pelley: THEIR STORY
RECALLS
"WASHINGTON POST" COLUMNIST
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JAMAL KHASHOGGI, A CRITIC OF
PRINCE MOHAMMED.
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IN 2018, A YEAR AFTER HIS COUP,
U.S. INTELLIGENCE SAYS PRINCE
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MOHAMMAD SENT A TEAM TO
TURKEY
TO LURE KHASHOGGI TO A SAUDI
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CONSULATE AND DISMEMBER HIM.
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SAAD TOLD US THAT, DAYS
LATER,
BEFORE KHASHOGGI'S MURDER
WAS
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KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC, HE RECEIVED
A WARNING.
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A FRIEND IN A MIDDLE EASTERN
INTELLIGENCE SERVICE SAID
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ANOTHER HIT TEAM WAS HEADED FOR
SAAD IN CANADA.
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>> Saad Aljabri: AND THE WARNING
I RECEIVED, "DON'T BE IN A
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PROXIMITY OF ANY SAUDI
MISSION
IN CANADA.
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DON'T GO TO THE CONSULATE.
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DON'T GO TO THE EMBASSY."
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I SAID, WHY?
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SAID, THEY DISMEMBERED THE GUY,
THEY KILL HIM.
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YOU ARE ON THE TOP OF THE LIST.
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>> Pelley: SAAD SAYS A
SIX-PERSON TEAM LANDED AT
THE
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OTTAWA AIRPORT IN
MID-OCTOBER
2018.
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HE SAYS, MEMBERS OF THE TEAM
LIED TO CUSTOMS ABOUT
KNOWING
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ONE ANOTHER, AND THEY CARRIED
SUSPICIOUS EQUIPMENT FOR D.N.A.
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ANALYSIS.
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THE TEAM WAS DEPORTED.
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CANADA SEEMS TO CONFIRM AT LEAST
PART OF THIS STORY, SAYING, "WE
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ARE AWARE OF INCIDENTS IN WHICH
FOREIGN ACTORS HAVE ATTEMPTED TO
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THREATEN THOSE LIVING IN CANADA.
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IT IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE."
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IS THAT THE WAY INTELLIGENCE
ORGANIZATIONS WORK IN THIS
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WORLD?
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>> Morell: IT'S NOT A NORM
IN
THIS WORLD.
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IT'S A NORM FOR COUNTRIES LIKE
RUSSIA AND NORTH KOREA; IT'S NOT
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A NORM FOR ALMOST ANY OTHER
COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
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>> Pelley: DO YOU THINK MOHAMMED
BIN SALMAN FEARS YOU?
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>> Saad Aljabri: HE FEARS MY
INFORMATION.
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>> Pelley: SAAD TOLD US HIS
INFORMATION INCLUDES A 2014
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MEETING BETWEEN PRINCE MOHAMMED,
ON THE LEFT, AND THE THEN-HEAD
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OF INTELLIGENCE, MOHAMMED
BIN
NAYEF.
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IT WAS THREE YEARS BEFORE
THE
COUP.
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SAAD CLAIMS THE YOUNG PRINCE
BOASTED TO NAYEF THAT HE
COULD
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KILL THE SITTING KING, ABDULLAH,
TO CLEAR THE THRONE FOR HIS OWN
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FATHER.
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>> Saad Aljabri: AND HE TOLD
HIM, I WANT TO ASSASSINATE KING
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ABDULLAH.
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I GET A POISON RING FROM RUSSIA.
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IT'S ENOUGH FOR ME JUST TO SHAKE
HAND WITH HIM, AND HE WILL BE
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DONE.
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>> Pelley: A POISON RING
FROM
RUSSIA?
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>> Saad Aljabri: THAT WHAT
HE
SAY.
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WHETHER HE'S JUST BRAGGING, OR?
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BUT HE SAID THAT, AND WE TOOK IT
SERIOUSLY.
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>> Pelley: BY "WE," SAAD
MEANS
SAUDI INTELLIGENCE TOOK IT
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SERIOUSLY.
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THE ALLEGED THREAT, HE SAYS, WAS
HANDLED WITHIN THE ROYAL FAMILY.
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SAAD TOLD US HE WATCHED THE
MEETING ON A VIDEO
RECORDING.
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DOES THIS VIDEO RECORDING STILL
EXIST?
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>> Saad Aljabri: YES.
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I KNOW WHERE IT IS NOW.
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I KNOW THERE ARE TWO COPIES
OF
THAT.
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I KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.
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>> Pelley: PRINCE MOHAMMED
IS
36, AND WIELDS UNLIMITED
POWER
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ON BEHALF OF HIS AILING
85-YEAR-OLD FATHER, KING SALMAN.
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THE PRINCE IS ADMIRED BY
SOME
FOR ALLOWING WOMEN TO DRIVE,
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PERMITTING MOVIE THEATERS, AND
DISBANDING THE RELIGIOUS POLICE
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WHO ONCE ASSAULTED COUPLES
FOR
HOLDING HANDS.
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>> Morell: THERE'S TWO GROUPS OF
PEOPLE IN SAUDI ARABIA.
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THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE VERY
HAPPY WITH MOHAMMED BIN SALMAN.
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THE 70% OF THE POPULATION
THAT
IS UNDER 30.
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HE IS NOT POPULAR WITH THE
OLD
GUARD, WITH THE ROYAL
FAMILY,
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BECAUSE HE CHANGED THE
SYSTEM.
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>> Pelley: BUT MUCH OF THAT
CHANGE HAS BEEN RECKLESS.
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HIS WAR IN YEMEN HAS KILLED
THOUSANDS OF CIVILIANS IN
WHAT
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THE U.N. SAYS MAY BE WAR CRIMES.
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HE INVITED LEBANON'S LEADER
TO
VISIT SAUDI ARABIA, TOOK HIM
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HOSTAGE, AND FORCED HIM TO
RESIGN.
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HE DETAINED HUNDREDS OF
POTENTIAL RIVALS UNTIL THEY
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SIGNED OVER THEIR WEALTH, JAILED
WOMEN CALLING FOR HUMAN RIGHTS,
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AND MURDERED JAMAL
KHASHOGGI.
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>> Saad Aljabri: I EXPECT TO BE
KILLED ONE DAY, BECAUSE THIS GUY
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WILL NOT REST OFF UNTIL HE
SEE
ME DEAD.
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>> Pelley: BUT WHAT DOES AMERICA
OWE SAAD ALJABRI?
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WE ASKED FORMER C.I.A.
ACTING
DIRECTOR AND CBS NEWS
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CONSULTANT, MICHAEL MORELL, WHO
WORKED CLOSELY WITH SAAD FROM
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2010 TO 2013.
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IS IT TOO MUCH TO SAY THAT SAAD
MAY HAVE SAVED AMERICAN LIVES?
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>> Morell: HE ABSOLUTELY--
DR. SAAD ABSOLUTELY SAVED
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AMERICAN LIVES.
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HE SAVED SAUDI LIVES, MANY
OF
THEM, AND HE SAVED AMERICAN
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LIVES.
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>> Pelley: CAN YOU NAME ANY
OF
THOSE CASES?
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>> Morell: THE ONE I CAN
TALK
ABOUT IS THE SO-CALLED
PRINTER
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CARTRIDGE PLOT.
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>> Pelley: IN 2010, AL-QAEDA HID
BOMBS IN TWO DESKTOP PRINTERS.
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THEY WERE IN THE AIR, AS CARGO,
HEADED TO THE U.S. ON TWO
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PLANES, PERHAPS INTENDED TO
EXPLODE OVER AMERICAN
CITIES.
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BUT THANKS TO INTELLIGENCE
RELAYED BY SAAD ALJABRI, THE
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BOMBS WERE INTERCEPTED
DURING
LAYOVERS.
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ARE THERE ANY OTHER EXAMPLES OF
TIMES THAT SAAD HAD SAVED
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AMERICAN LIVES?
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>> Morell: THERE ARE.
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>> Pelley: WHAT ARE THEY?
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>> Morell: I CAN'T TALK
ABOUT
THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL
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CLASSIFIED.
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>> Pelley: ARE THERE
SEVERAL?
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>> Morell: THERE ARE MANY.
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MANY.
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>> Pelley: WHILE WORKING IN THAT
CLASSIFIED WORLD, SAAD ALJABRI
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BECAME ENORMOUSLY WEALTHY.
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PRINCE MOHAMMED TYPICALLY
ACCUSES POTENTIAL RIVALS OF
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CORRUPTION, AND SAUDI
ENTITIES
ARE SUING SAAD IN THE U.S.
AND
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CANADA, CLAIMING HE STOLE AS
MUCH AS $500 MILLION FROM
THE
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COUNTER-TERRORISM BUDGET.
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DID YOU STEAL THE MONEY?
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>> Saad Aljabri: NO.
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>> Pelley: IF YOU DIDN'T
STEAL
THE MONEY, HOW DID YOU GET
SO
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RICH?
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>> Saad Aljabri: YOU KNOW, I
HAVE SERVED A ROYAL MONARCHY IN
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A CLOSE PROXIMITY FOR TWO
DECADES.
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THREE KINGS, FOUR CROWN PRINCE.
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THEY'VE BEEN NICE TO ME.
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THEY'VE BEEN VERY GENEROUS.
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IT'S A TRADITION IN SAUDI ARABIA
ROYAL FAMILY.
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THEY TAKE CARE OF PEOPLE AROUND
THEM.
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>> Morell: I DON'T KNOW IF
DR. SAAD WAS CORRUPT IN ANY WAY.
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I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF
HE
WASN'T, BECAUSE HE'S SUCH AN
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HONORABLE MAN.
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BUT I ALSO WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED
IF HE WAS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY, TO
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SOME EXTENT, HAD THEIR HAND
IN
THE KITTY.
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AND KING ABDULLAH ALLOWED
IT,
PERMITTED IT.
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>> Pelley: BUT IN THE SAUDI
LAWSUIT AGAINST SAAD, THE
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CANADIAN JUDGE HAS SAID THERE IS
"OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF
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FRAUD," AND SO SHE HAS
FROZEN
HIS ASSETS AS THE CASE MOVES
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FORWARD.
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THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT DECLINED AN
INTERVIEW, BUT IN A STATEMENT,
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IT SAID, "SAAD ALJABRI IS A
DISCREDITED FORMER
GOVERNMENT
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OFFICIAL WITH A LONG HISTORY OF
FABRICATING AND CREATING
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DISTRACTIONS TO HIDE THE
FINANCIAL CRIMES HE
COMMITTED.
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HE IMPLIES THAT STEALING WAS
ACCEPTABLE AT THE TIME.
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BUT IT WASN'T ACCEPTABLE NOR
LEGAL THEN, AND IT ISN'T
NOW."
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SAAD SAYS HE'S THINKING ONLY OF
HIS IMPRISONED CHILDREN.
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>> Saad Aljabri: I HAVE TO SPEAK
OUT.
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I AM APPEALING TO THE
AMERICAN
PEOPLE AND TO THE AMERICAN
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ADMINISTRATION TO HELP ME TO
RELEASE THOSE CHILDREN AND
TO
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RESTORE THEIR LIFE.
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>> Pelley: SAAD ALJABRI TOLD US
HE'S RECORDED A "DEATH VIDEO"
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THAT REVEALS MORE SECRETS OF THE
ROYAL FAMILY, AND SOME OF THE
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UNITED STATES.
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HE GAVE US A SHORT, SILENT CLIP
OF THE VIDEO WHICH, HE TOLD US,
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"COULD BE RELEASED" IF HE IS
KILLED.
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IT INCLUDES A MESSAGE TO
OMAR
AND SARAH, HIS IMPRISONED
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CHILDREN.
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>> Saad Aljabri: I TOLD
THEM,
I'M SORRY.
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I TRIED MY BEST.
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>> Pelley: DOES THE UNITED
STATES, AS A COUNTRY, OWE
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ANYTHING TO SAAD?
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>> Morell: DO I FEEL SOME
OBLIGATION TO DR. SAAD?
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YES.
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DOES THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA?
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THE PEOPLE AT C.I.A. DO.
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THE PEOPLE AT C.I.A. DO.
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YOUKNOW, WHETHER THE COUNTRY
DOES OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
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IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A HARD
QUESTION.
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>> Pelley: IT'S BEEN HARD
FOR
PRESIDENTS TO STAND UP TO
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MOHAMMED BIN SALMAN.
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NEITHER THE TRUMP NOR BIDEN
ADMINISTRATIONS PUBLICLY
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SANCTIONED HIM AFTER KHASHOGGI.
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SAUDI OIL ISN'T AS IMPORTANT AS
IT ONCE WAS, BUT COUNTERING IRAN
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IS, WHICH HAS LED TO A CERTAIN
TOLERANCE OF A MENACING PRINCE.
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( TICKING )
>> DR. SAAD ALJABRI ON THE
HIT
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SQUAD HE SAYS MOHAMMAD BIN
SALMAN SENT TO SILENCE DISSENT.
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AT 60minutesovertime.com.
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>> Bill Whitaker: THIS PAST
WEEK, CALIFORNIA DECLARED A
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STATEWIDE DROUGHT EMERGENCY.
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IT FOLLOWS THE FIRST-EVER
FEDERAL SHORTAGE DECLARATION ON
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THE COLORADO RIVER,
TRIGGERING
CUTS TO WATER SUPPLIES IN
THE
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SOUTHWEST.
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THE COLORADO IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF
THE REGION.
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IT WATERS SOME OF THE COUNTRY'S
FASTEST-GROWING CITIES,
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NOURISHES SOME OF OUR MOST
FERTILE FIELDS, AND POWERS
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$1.4 TRILLION IN ANNUAL ECONOMIC
ACTIVITY.
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THE RIVER RUNS MORE THAN
1,400
MILES, FROM HEADWATERS IN
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THE ROCKIES TO ITS DELTA IN
NORTHERN MEXICO, WHERE IT
ENDS
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IN A TRICKLE.
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SEVEN STATES AND 30 NATIVE
AMERICAN TRIBES LIE IN THE
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COLORADO RIVER BASIN.
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LATELY, THE RIVER HAS BEEN
RUNNING DRY DUE TO THE
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HISTORICALLY SEVERE DROUGHT.
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THE MAJESTIC, MEANDERING
COLORADO RIVER, THAT CUT THROUGH
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THESE RED CLIFFS, CARVING
THE
GRAND CANYON, IS A WONDER OF
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NATURE AND HUMAN INGENUITY.
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THE GLEN CANYON DAM CREATED
LAKE POWELL AND, 300 MILES
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DOWN-RIVER, LAKE MEAD SITS
BEHIND THE HOOVER DAM.
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THESE RESERVOIRS ARE NOW
BEING
SUCKED DRY BY 40 MILLION
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DIFFERENT STRAWS-- THAT'S
THE
NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN BOOMING
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WESTERN STATES WHO DEPEND ON THE
COLORADO TO QUENCH THEIR THIRST,
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POWER THEIR HOMES, WATER
LAWNS
AND SPLASH IN THE SUN.
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ITS WATERS IRRIGATE FARMS
THAT
PRODUCE 90% OF THE COUNTRY'S
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WINTER GREENS.
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TO ALL THESE DEMANDS, ADD THE
STRESS OF A 22-YEAR DROUGHT, AS
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DRY AS ANY PERIOD IN 1,200
YEARS, AND YOU HAVE A RIVER
IN
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CRISIS.
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THESE WHITE BATHTUB RINGS; IS--
IS THIS WHERE THE WATER USED TO
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BE?
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>> Brad Udall: ABSOLUTELY.
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>> Whitaker: BRAD UDALL, A
CLIMATE SCIENTIST AT
COLORADO
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STATE UNIVERSITY, WENT OUT
ON
LAKE POWELL WITH US.
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SO ALL OF THIS WOULD HAVE
BEEN
UNDERWATER?
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>> Udall: YEAH.
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>> Whitaker: SO WHAT DOES THIS
TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING
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ON THE COLORADO RIVER?
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>> Udall: WELL, IT'S A SIGNAL OF
THE LONG-TERM PROBLEM WE'VE BEEN
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SEEING SINCE THE YEAR 2000,
WHICH IS, CLIMATE CHANGE IS
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REDUCING THE FLOWS OF THE
COLORADO SIGNIFICANTLY.
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>> Whitaker: LAKE POWELL AND
LAKE MEAD, THE TWO BIGGEST
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RESERVOIRS IN THE COUNTRY, WERE
NEARLY FULL IN 2000.
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TODAY, THEY ARE AT JUST
ABOUT
30% CAPACITY.
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>> Udall: THE LAKE'S NOW 155
FEET BELOW FULL.
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IT'S DROPPED SOMETHING LIKE
50
FEET THIS YEAR.
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>> Whitaker: AND IT'S STILL
DROPPING?
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>> Udall: YES.
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AND THAT'S WHEN POWER GENERATION
ACTUALLY BECOMES TO COME INTO
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QUESTION.
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>> Whitaker: SO IT DROPS SO LOW
THAT IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO
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GENERATE--
>> Udall: IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO
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GENERATE POWER.
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00:18:15,704 --> 00:18:17,672
>> Whitaker: --HYDROELECTRIC
POWER?
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00:18:17,739 --> 00:18:18,373
>> Udall: YEAH.
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>> Whitaker: BRAD UDALL HAS
STRONG CONNECTIONS TO THE RIVER.
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AS SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR,
HIS UNCLE, STEWART UDALL, OPENED
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00:18:25,780 --> 00:18:29,117
THE GLEN CANYON DAM.
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00:18:29,184 --> 00:18:31,720
HIS FATHER, CONGRESSMAN MO
UDALL, FOUGHT TO CHANNEL
RIVER
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WATER TO ARIZONA.
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AS A YOUNG MAN, BRAD WAS A
COLORADO RIVER GUIDE.
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TODAY, HE ANALYZES THE IMPACT OF
CLIMATE CHANGE ON WATER
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00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:42,430
RESOURCES.
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IS THE WEST ON A COLLISION
COURSE WITH CLIMATE CHANGE?
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>> Udall: IN SOME WAYS, YES, BUT
WE HAVE FULLY UTILIZED THIS
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SYSTEM.
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WE'VE OVER-ALLOCATED IT, AND WE
NOW NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO
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TURN SOME OF THIS BACK.
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BECAUSE THE ONLY LEVER WE
CONTROL RIGHT NOW IN THE
RIVER
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IS THE DEMAND LEVER.
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00:19:01,116 --> 00:19:05,420
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE
SUPPLY.
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00:19:05,487 --> 00:19:06,454
SO WE HAVE TO DIAL BACK DEMAND.
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00:19:06,521 --> 00:19:10,425
>> Whitaker: 70% OF COLORADO
RIVER WATER GOES TO AGRICULTURE.
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00:19:10,492 --> 00:19:16,698
WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
DECLARED THE WATER SHORTAGE, IT
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00:19:16,765 --> 00:19:17,365
TRIGGERED MANDATORY
CUTBACKS.
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PINAL COUNTY, ARIZONA GOT
HIT
HARD.
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>> Waylon Wuertz: PINAL COUNTY
ALONE, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOSING
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300,000 ACRE FEET OF SURFACE
WATER.
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THAT'S WATER THAT WOULD BE
DELIVERED FROM LAKE POWELL,
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00:19:31,846 --> 00:19:34,449
LAKE MEAD.
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AS PART OF THE COLORADO
RIVER.
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300,000 ACRE FEET IS 98 BILLION
GALLONS OF WATER.
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00:19:42,490 --> 00:19:46,161
>> Whitaker: WAYLON WUERTZ FARMS
500 ACRES IN PINAL COUNTY, SOUTH
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OF PHOENIX.
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00:19:46,528 --> 00:19:49,764
HIS FAMILY HAS TILLED SOIL HERE
FOR FOUR GENERATIONS.
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IT'S SOME OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE
LAND IN THE STATE.
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CROPS FROM PINAL COUNTY ARE
SHIPPED ALL OVER THE
COUNTRY.
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00:20:00,508 --> 00:20:06,448
WUERTZ GROWS GOURDS, COTTON, AND
ALFALFA-- PROFITABLE BUT THIRSTY
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00:20:06,514 --> 00:20:10,452
CROPS-- AND HIS ALLOTMENT OF
COLORADO RIVER WATER IS
BEING
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CUT BY 70%.
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00:20:12,821 --> 00:20:13,788
THIS IS COLORADO RIVER
WATER?
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00:20:13,855 --> 00:20:17,292
>> Wuertz: YEAH, KIND OF
THE--
THE LIFELINE OF OUR
IRRIGATED
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A.G. HERE.
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>> Whitaker: THIS COMES STRAIGHT
IN FROM LAKE MEAD?
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>> Wuertz: CORRECT.
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00:20:21,329 --> 00:20:23,999
THIS IS-- THROUGH HUNDREDS
OF
MILES OF CANAL SYSTEM.
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00:20:24,065 --> 00:20:29,904
IT'S MADE ITS WAY DOWN HERE
TO
CENTRAL ARIZONA.
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00:20:29,971 --> 00:20:31,773
>> Whitaker: AND WHAT PERCENTAGE
OF YOUR WATER IS SUPPLIED BY
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THIS CANAL?
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00:20:34,509 --> 00:20:37,779
>> Wuertz: IT'S BEEN CLOSE TO
50% OF THE WATER THAT WE'VE USED
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TO-- TO FARM HERE.
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00:20:38,546 --> 00:20:42,417
AND, THIS NEXT YEAR, IT'S
PROBABLY GOING TO DROP DOWN
TO
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ABOUT 20% OF THE WATER THAT
WE
USE.
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>> Whitaker: THAT'S ONE-SEVENTH
OF WHAT HE WAS GETTING A DECADE
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AGO.
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00:20:49,858 --> 00:20:54,429
TO USE LESS WATER AND MAKE ENDS
MEET, WUERTZ SOLD MORE THAN 300
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00:20:54,496 --> 00:20:58,433
ACRES TO A SOLAR FARM.
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00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:02,504
HE DIPPED INTO RETIREMENT FUNDS
TO REPAIR AND RESTART OLD WELLS.
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00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:06,708
HE LASER-LEVELED HIS FIELDS TO
MAKE IRRIGATION MORE EFFICIENT.
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00:21:06,775 --> 00:21:09,844
BUT IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH, IN THE
MIDDLE OF THIS DROUGHT.
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00:21:09,911 --> 00:21:10,512
>> Wuertz: NO, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
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00:21:10,578 --> 00:21:14,516
>> Whitaker: SO NEXT YEAR, HE
TOLD US, HE'LL HAVE TO LEAVE 150
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00:21:14,582 --> 00:21:17,686
ACRES UNCULTIVATED.
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00:21:17,752 --> 00:21:19,854
>> Wuertz: WHAT YOU SEE GREEN
HERE IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO DIE.
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00:21:19,921 --> 00:21:23,458
I HOPE WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH
WATER
TO PLANT IT IN THE FUTURE.
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00:21:23,525 --> 00:21:25,360
BUT MORE THAN LIKELY, IT'S GOING
TO STAY BROWN FOR QUITE SOME
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00:21:25,427 --> 00:21:25,860
TIME.
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00:21:25,927 --> 00:21:29,097
>> Amelia Flores: ALL THE WATER-
USERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE
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00:21:29,164 --> 00:21:31,833
UP SOMETHING TO KEEP THAT WATER
IN THE LAKE.
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00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:36,838
>> Whitaker: AMELIA FLORES IS
CHAIRWOMAN OF THE COLORADO RIVER
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00:21:36,905 --> 00:21:41,710
INDIAN TRIBES, A RESERVATION OF
FOUR TRIBES A FEW HOURS WEST OF
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00:21:41,776 --> 00:21:46,514
PHOENIX, WITH THE OLDEST AND
LARGEST WATER RIGHTS IN ARIZONA.
403
00:21:46,581 --> 00:21:49,851
AFTER BEING MOVED TO
RESERVATIONS, SOUTHWEST
TRIBES
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00:21:49,918 --> 00:21:54,289
GOT RIGHTS TO ABOUT A QUARTER OF
THE RIVER'S FLOW, BUT GOVERNMENT
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00:21:54,355 --> 00:21:55,857
RED TAPE AND LACK OF
INFRASTRUCTURE HAVE
PREVENTED
406
00:21:55,924 --> 00:21:58,560
THEM FROM USING THEIR FULL
ALLOTMENT.
407
00:21:58,626 --> 00:22:04,799
FLORES TOLD US, UNTIL THIS
DROUGHT, TRIBES WERE NEVER
408
00:22:04,866 --> 00:22:06,568
INCLUDED IN WATER NEGOTIATIONS.
409
00:22:06,634 --> 00:22:10,572
WHY HAD YOU NOT HAD A SEAT
AT
THE TABLE BEFORE THIS?
410
00:22:10,638 --> 00:22:13,908
>> Flores: BECAUSE THE
TRIBES
HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OVERLOOKED
IN
411
00:22:13,975 --> 00:22:18,580
THE POLICYMAKING, AND-- AND IN--
IN THE LAW OF THE RIVER.
412
00:22:18,646 --> 00:22:19,914
BUT THAT DAY HAS COME TO AN END.
413
00:22:19,981 --> 00:22:24,452
>> Whitaker: WHEN WESTERN STATES
FIRST DIVVIED UP THE COLORADO
414
00:22:24,519 --> 00:22:29,791
RIVER IN 1922, AND LATER, WHEN
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUILT THE
415
00:22:29,858 --> 00:22:31,926
HOOVER AND GLEN CANYON DAMS, THE
FUTURE SEEMED BOUNDLESS AND
416
00:22:31,993 --> 00:22:34,562
MANAGEABLE.
417
00:22:34,629 --> 00:22:37,398
THROUGH NEGOTIATION AND
COURT
BATTLES, STATES WORKED OUT
418
00:22:37,465 --> 00:22:41,569
AGREEMENTS-- THE LAW OF THE
RIVER-- TO SPLIT THE WATER
419
00:22:41,636 --> 00:22:45,840
EQUALLY BETWEEN UPPER AND LOWER
BASIN STATES.
420
00:22:45,907 --> 00:22:49,911
THE LOWER STATES USE JUST ABOUT
ALL THEIR ALLOTMENT, AND IT'S
421
00:22:49,978 --> 00:22:50,578
FED THEIR TREMENDOUS GROWTH.
422
00:22:50,645 --> 00:22:54,582
THE UPPER STATES HAVE NEVER USED
THEIR FULL SHARE.
423
00:22:54,649 --> 00:22:58,553
NOW, THEY ARE BOOMING, AND SAY
THEY NEED THE WATER THEY'VE BEEN
424
00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:00,655
PROMISED.
425
00:23:00,722 --> 00:23:02,624
I CAN SEE THE BATHTUB RINGS
AROUND HERE TOO.
426
00:23:02,690 --> 00:23:05,560
>> Zach Renstrom: WE'RE
TRYING
TO KEEP EVERY DROP OF WATER
WE
427
00:23:05,627 --> 00:23:07,996
CAN INTO THIS RESERVOIR FOR NEXT
YEAR'S DRINKING WATER.
428
00:23:08,062 --> 00:23:10,632
>> Whitaker: ZACH RENSTROM
MANAGES THE WATER SYSTEM FOR
429
00:23:10,698 --> 00:23:13,968
WASHINGTON COUNTY IN
SOUTHWEST
UTAH.
430
00:23:14,035 --> 00:23:18,273
ST. GEORGE, THE COUNTY SEAT, IS
ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING METRO
431
00:23:18,339 --> 00:23:18,673
AREAS IN THE U.S.
432
00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:25,480
ITS POPULATION GREW 29% THIS
PAST DECADE.
433
00:23:25,547 --> 00:23:29,918
THE STATE OF UTAH GETS ABOUT
A
QUARTER OF ITS WATER FROM
THE
434
00:23:29,984 --> 00:23:33,688
COLORADO, BUT MOST OF WASHINGTON
COUNTY HAS ONLY ONE SOURCE, THE
435
00:23:33,755 --> 00:23:36,991
VIRGIN RIVER, WHICH FILLS
THIS
RESERVOIR.
436
00:23:37,058 --> 00:23:38,693
>> Renstrom: SO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE
IN THE PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING
437
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,330
REALLY STRICT CONSERVATION
MEASURES.
438
00:23:42,397 --> 00:23:43,965
AND IF THE CITIES DON'T
ADOPT
THOSE STANDARDS, THEN WE'LL
BE
439
00:23:44,032 --> 00:23:44,766
OUT OF WATER VERY QUICKLY.
440
00:23:44,833 --> 00:23:46,634
>> Whitaker: WHAT IS "VERY
QUICKLY?"
441
00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:49,971
>> Renstrom: WITHIN THE NEXT
FIVE TO TEN YEARS.
442
00:23:50,038 --> 00:23:54,642
>> Whitaker: SO, IN THE MIDST OF
THIS DROUGHT, UTAH IS PROPOSING
443
00:23:54,709 --> 00:23:58,646
TO BUILD A $1 TO $2 BILLION
PIPELINE, ABLE TO BRING 27
444
00:23:58,713 --> 00:24:02,050
BILLION GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR
FROM DWINDLING LAKE POWELL.
445
00:24:02,116 --> 00:24:06,721
UTAH SAYS IT'S ENTITLED TO
THE
WATER BY LAW.
446
00:24:06,788 --> 00:24:10,692
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
SIPHONING
OFF WATER FROM A LAKE THAT'S
447
00:24:10,758 --> 00:24:14,696
ALREADY AT A CRITICALLY LOW
LEVEL, TO HELP A CITY GROW
IN
448
00:24:14,762 --> 00:24:18,666
THE DESERT.
449
00:24:18,733 --> 00:24:22,203
>> Renstrom: EVERY STATE ON THE
COLORADO RIVER WAS ALLOTTED SO
450
00:24:22,270 --> 00:24:22,837
MUCH WATER, AND A WATER BUDGET.
451
00:24:22,904 --> 00:24:26,040
AND SO, WITH THEIR WATER BUDGET,
THE STATE OF UTAH HAS DECIDED
452
00:24:26,107 --> 00:24:28,776
THAT IT WANTS TO USE A PORTION
OF ITS WATER HERE IN ST. GEORGE,
453
00:24:28,843 --> 00:24:29,711
UTAH.
454
00:24:29,777 --> 00:24:32,080
>> Whitaker: BUT IT WAS A BUDGET
THAT WAS SET WHEN WATER WAS
455
00:24:32,146 --> 00:24:33,214
PLENTIFUL.
456
00:24:33,281 --> 00:24:34,249
IT ISN'T ANYMORE.
457
00:24:34,315 --> 00:24:34,749
WHAT IS UTAH HOPING FOR?
458
00:24:34,816 --> 00:24:38,052
>> Renstrom: UTAH WANTS THE
RIGHT TO DO WHAT EVERY OTHER
459
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,753
BASIN STATE HAS DONE.
460
00:24:38,820 --> 00:24:42,223
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE WATER FOR OUR FUTURE, FOR A
461
00:24:42,290 --> 00:24:44,058
HOTTER, DRYER SCENARIO
THAT'S
COMING UP.
462
00:24:44,125 --> 00:24:50,064
>> J.B. Hamby: BUILDING A MULTI-
BILLION DOLLAR PIPELINE TO PUMP
463
00:24:50,131 --> 00:24:52,267
OUT MORE WATER FROM AN
ALREADY
RAPIDLY DECLINING RESERVOIR
464
00:24:52,333 --> 00:24:56,037
SIMPLY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THE
21st CENTURY.
465
00:24:56,104 --> 00:25:02,076
>> Whitaker: J.B. HAMBY IS VICE
PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD THAT RUNS
466
00:25:02,143 --> 00:25:05,046
CALIFORNIA'S IMPERIAL IRRIGATION
DISTRICT, ONE OF THE RICHEST
467
00:25:05,113 --> 00:25:07,282
AGRICULTURAL REGIONS IN THE
COUNTRY, WITH THE SINGLE LARGEST
468
00:25:07,348 --> 00:25:10,518
ALLOCATION OF WATER ON THE
ENTIRE RIVER.
469
00:25:10,585 --> 00:25:13,521
>> Hamby: THERE'S A LOT OF URBAN
GROWTH AND SPRAWL OCCURRING IN
470
00:25:13,588 --> 00:25:14,756
OTHER PARTS OF THE COLORADO
RIVER BASIN THAT'S REALLY
NOT
471
00:25:14,822 --> 00:25:18,092
NECESSARILY SUSTAINABLE.
472
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:22,764
>> Whitaker: HAMBY SAYS
CALIFORNIA'S IMPERIAL VALLEY
473
00:25:22,830 --> 00:25:26,134
FARMS HAVE CUT WATER USAGE
ALMOST 20% SINCE 2003, BUT
474
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,772
POINTS OUT AS THE POPULATION OF
ST. GEORGE, UTAH GROWS, SO DOES
475
00:25:30,838 --> 00:25:32,140
ITS WATER USE.
476
00:25:32,206 --> 00:25:35,209
>> Hamby: WE NEED TO THINK
AND
RETHINK ABOUT HOW WE GROW,
AND
477
00:25:35,276 --> 00:25:37,512
IF WE GROW AND WHERE WE
GROW.
478
00:25:37,578 --> 00:25:38,813
>> Whitaker: ST. GEORGE WOULD
SAY THAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR
479
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,784
MORE-- THEY'RE ASKING FOR
WHAT
THEY NEED.
480
00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:46,754
>> Hamby: I THINK WHAT WE ALL
NEED TO HAVE IS A REALITY CHECK,
481
00:25:46,821 --> 00:25:50,458
HERE, AND RECOGNIZE THAT WE LIVE
IN AN ERA OF LIMITS RIGHT NOW,
482
00:25:50,525 --> 00:25:52,093
AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY
ANYTIME SOON.
483
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,762
IN FACT, IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET
WORSE.
484
00:25:54,829 --> 00:25:58,766
>> Whitaker: A BIG PART OF THE
PROBLEM IS THE LAW OF THE RIVER
485
00:25:58,833 --> 00:26:02,203
ITSELF, A HODGEPODGE OF RULES
AND REGULATIONS PIECED TOGETHER
486
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:05,506
OVER THE COURSE OF A
CENTURY.
487
00:26:05,573 --> 00:26:09,978
FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER ALL THE
LITIGATION AND NEGOTIATIONS, THE
488
00:26:10,044 --> 00:26:14,215
LAW ENDS UP ALLOCATING MORE
WATER THAN ACTUALLY FLOWS
DOWN
489
00:26:14,282 --> 00:26:14,849
THE COLORADO.
490
00:26:14,916 --> 00:26:20,188
AND THIS: IN TIMES OF SHORTAGE,
CHANNELS THAT PROVIDE MORE THAN
491
00:26:20,254 --> 00:26:25,994
A THIRD OF ARIZONA'S WATER MUST
RUN DRY BEFORE CALIFORNIA IS
492
00:26:26,060 --> 00:26:26,461
REQUIRED TO CUT BACK.
493
00:26:26,527 --> 00:26:32,200
SO-- SO, WAIT A MINUTE-- ARIZONA
IS BEING CALLED ON TO CUT ITS
494
00:26:32,266 --> 00:26:34,836
WATER INTAKE BEFORE
CALIFORNIA
HAS TO GIVE UP EVEN ONE
DROP?
495
00:26:34,902 --> 00:26:38,206
>> Udall: PRETTY AMAZING.
496
00:26:38,272 --> 00:26:38,873
IT CAN'T WORK IN TODAY'S WORLD.
497
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:43,311
AND IT'S, IN SOME WAYS, A LITTLE
MICROCOSM, RIGHT, OF THIS WHOLE
498
00:26:43,378 --> 00:26:46,681
LAW OF THE RIVER, WITH THESE
SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT
IN
499
00:26:46,748 --> 00:26:47,248
PLACE THAT JUST DON'T WORK.
500
00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:49,183
THEY CAN'T WORK.
501
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:50,852
AND THAT'S WHY A RETHINK'S
NEEDED.
502
00:26:50,918 --> 00:26:56,190
>> Whitaker: ONE EXAMPLE OF
RETHINKING?
503
00:26:56,257 --> 00:27:00,962
THE COLORADO RIVER INDIAN TRIBES
AGREED TO LEAVE FIELDS
504
00:27:01,029 --> 00:27:02,797
UNCULTIVATED, LEAVING 48 BILLION
GALLONS-- ALMOST THREE FEET OF
505
00:27:02,864 --> 00:27:06,000
WATER-- IN LAKE MEAD.
506
00:27:06,067 --> 00:27:08,269
THE STATE OF ARIZONA AGREED
TO
PAY THEM FOR THEIR LOSSES.
507
00:27:08,336 --> 00:27:14,275
>> Flores: MY PEOPLE WANT TO
HELP DURING THIS DROUGHT.
508
00:27:14,342 --> 00:27:18,913
WE WANT TO SAVE THE RIVER,
BECAUSE FOR CENTURIES, THE RIVER
509
00:27:18,980 --> 00:27:22,884
HAS ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF US, SO
NOW, WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE
510
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:23,084
RIVER.
511
00:27:23,151 --> 00:27:26,254
>> Udall: THAT'S WHAT
NEGOTIATIONS ARE ALL ABOUT,
512
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:26,888
RIGHT?
513
00:27:26,954 --> 00:27:30,124
IT MAY BE THERE ARE WAYS TO
CONSERVE, AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO
514
00:27:30,191 --> 00:27:34,896
GET THE SAME GOODS AND SERVICES
FOR LESS WATER.
515
00:27:34,962 --> 00:27:37,899
LET'S LET A.G. GROW CROPS
THAT
USE LESS WATER.
516
00:27:37,965 --> 00:27:39,100
LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE
CITIES USE WATER AS EFFICIENTLY
517
00:27:39,167 --> 00:27:41,936
AS POSSIBLE.
518
00:27:42,003 --> 00:27:44,272
SO, I MEAN, WE NEED SOME
OPTIMISM HERE, RIGHT?
519
00:27:44,338 --> 00:27:46,641
>> Wuertz: THIS DESERT GROUND...
520
00:27:46,707 --> 00:27:49,243
>> Whitaker: BUT AS WE SAW
AT
THIS MEETING OF PINAL COUNTY
521
00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:50,845
FARMERS, OPTIMISM IS IN
SHORT
SUPPLY.
522
00:27:50,912 --> 00:27:54,982
>> Wuertz: THE FARMER WHO'S
PREPARED THEIR WHOLE LIFE,
523
00:27:55,049 --> 00:27:59,387
WORKED THE LAND, FARMED THE
LAND, IS GETTING THE SHORT
END
524
00:27:59,454 --> 00:28:02,056
OF THE STICK.
525
00:28:02,123 --> 00:28:04,492
>> Whitaker: FARMERS HERE
AND
ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST FEED
THE
526
00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:05,593
COUNTRY.
527
00:28:05,660 --> 00:28:07,028
BUT IT TAKES MORE THAN TWO-
THIRDS OF THE COLORADO RIVER TO
528
00:28:07,095 --> 00:28:10,398
PRODUCE THE BOUNTY.
529
00:28:10,465 --> 00:28:14,335
WITH LAKE LEVELS DROPPING,
ARIZONA FARMERS LIKE WAYLON
530
00:28:14,402 --> 00:28:18,973
WUERTZ FEAR THEIR FERTILE FIELDS
COULD BECOME DESERT AGAIN.
531
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,977
>> Wuertz: YOU'RE GOING TO
SEE
DRASTIC CUTS, A DRASTIC
CHANGE
532
00:28:23,044 --> 00:28:24,645
OF WHAT NEXT YEAR HAS TO BRING.
533
00:28:24,712 --> 00:28:26,414
AND FOR MY PARTICULAR FAMILY
FARM, WE'RE DOING ALL THAT
WE
534
00:28:26,481 --> 00:28:30,985
CAN TO KEEP IT GOING.
535
00:28:31,052 --> 00:28:36,390
BUT I HAVE A FEELING IT'S JUST A
MATTER OF TIME BEFORE NONE OF
536
00:28:36,457 --> 00:28:37,925
THIS EXISTS.
537
00:28:37,992 --> 00:28:40,862
( TICKING )
( TICKING )
538
00:28:48,669 --> 00:28:51,572
>> Jon Wertheim: IT'S ALMOST
LIKE, WHEN NO ONE WAS
LOOKING,
539
00:28:51,639 --> 00:28:52,773
MICHAEL KEATON CREPT ON TO
HOLLYWOOD'S A-LIST, AND THEN
540
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,476
NEVER LEFT.
541
00:28:55,543 --> 00:28:56,777
EXCEPT THAT WE WERE LOOKING.
542
00:28:56,844 --> 00:28:58,479
KEATON'S FILMS HAVE,
COLLECTIVELY, GROSSED
BILLIONS
543
00:28:58,546 --> 00:29:00,781
AT THE BOX OFFICE.
544
00:29:00,848 --> 00:29:04,252
HE'S PLAYED BIRDMAN AND BATMAN,
AND STARRED IN "SPIDER-MAN."
545
00:29:04,318 --> 00:29:07,121
THE IRONY IS THAT KEATON'S REAL
POWER IS PORTRAYING THE
546
00:29:07,188 --> 00:29:08,356
EVERY-MAN.
547
00:29:08,422 --> 00:29:12,360
THE SALESMAN, THE F.B.I.
MAN,
THE PUT-UPON NEWSPAPERMAN.
548
00:29:12,426 --> 00:29:15,763
AN ACTOR ON A CAREER-LONG
CRUSADE AGAINST TYPECASTING,
549
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:16,864
KEATON IS WILLFULLY
UNPREDICTABLE IN CHOOSING
HIS
550
00:29:16,931 --> 00:29:19,367
ROLES.
551
00:29:19,433 --> 00:29:22,270
BUT, HE IS CONSISTENT IN NAILING
THEM.
552
00:29:22,336 --> 00:29:24,805
AND AT AGE 70, HE'S STILL AT IT.
553
00:29:24,872 --> 00:29:28,276
FIND MICHAEL KEATON A CHARACTER
HE FINDS APPEALING, AND, TO
554
00:29:28,342 --> 00:29:32,847
BORROW A PHRASE, IT'S SHOW TIME.
555
00:29:32,914 --> 00:29:36,651
FORGET ABOUT MEETING AT SOME
PRECIOUS MALIBU BISTRO OR ON
A
556
00:29:36,717 --> 00:29:36,918
MOVIE SET.
557
00:29:36,984 --> 00:29:44,859
MICHAEL KEATON WANTED US TO MEET
HIM IN HIS ELEMENT, SO WE DID,
558
00:29:44,926 --> 00:29:48,262
HERE-- ON HIS 1,000-ACRE SWATCH
OF TROUT STREAMS AND MOUNTAINS
559
00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:48,863
UNDER MONTANA'S BIG SKY.
560
00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:51,832
>> Michael Keaton: WOW, LOOK AT
THAT.
561
00:29:51,899 --> 00:29:53,034
>> Wertheim: IT'S EASY TO BE
HUMBLED BY THE SHEER VASTNESS OF
562
00:29:53,100 --> 00:29:56,304
THE PLACE.
563
00:29:56,370 --> 00:29:58,306
NOT THAT THIS IS A MOVIE STAR IN
NEED OF ANY EGO REDUCTION.
564
00:29:58,372 --> 00:30:00,875
>> Keaton: AS SOON AS I
BOUGHT
THIS PLACE-- SOON AS I
BOUGHT
565
00:30:00,942 --> 00:30:04,245
IT-- AND IT WAS A DREAM OF MINE
FROM THE TIME I WAS A LITTLE
566
00:30:04,312 --> 00:30:07,982
KID-- IT HIT ME.
567
00:30:08,049 --> 00:30:10,251
LIKE, IT WAS CRYSTAL CLEAR THAT
I DON'T REALLY OWN ANYTHING.
568
00:30:10,318 --> 00:30:12,853
YOU DON'T REALLY-- YOU--
WE'RE
RENTERS.
569
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:13,955
YOU KNOW, I DON'T OWN THIS.
570
00:30:14,021 --> 00:30:15,423
THIS IS JUST-- I JUST
HAPPENED
TO MAKE A TRANSACTION.
571
00:30:15,489 --> 00:30:16,857
>> Wertheim: JUST PASSING
THROUGH.
572
00:30:16,924 --> 00:30:19,327
>> Keaton: PASSING THROUGH.
573
00:30:19,393 --> 00:30:22,263
>> Wertheim: AFTER A SHORT DRIVE
UP A DIRT PATH, WE DISCUSSED
574
00:30:22,330 --> 00:30:24,865
RANGE OF A DIFFERENT SORT.
575
00:30:24,932 --> 00:30:28,269
WE ASKED KEATON ABOUT HIS
STAGGERING VERSATILITY, THE KEY
576
00:30:28,336 --> 00:30:31,172
TO HIS SUCCESS AND HOLLYWOOD
LONGEVITY.
577
00:30:31,239 --> 00:30:32,974
>> Wertheim: GO DOWN YOUR
IMdB
PAGE AND, IN THE BEST
POSSIBLE
578
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,844
WAY, YOU GET WHIPLASH.
579
00:30:36,911 --> 00:30:40,248
I SEE THIS ARCHETYPE,
AMERICAN
MALE, AND IT'S LAWYERS, AND
580
00:30:40,314 --> 00:30:41,983
NEWSPAPER MEN, AND DOCTORS.
581
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:43,284
>> Keaton: I GUESS THAT'S TRUE.
582
00:30:43,351 --> 00:30:44,719
I GUESS, YEAH.
583
00:30:44,785 --> 00:30:48,055
IF I WENT-- AND I'VE NEVER SEEN
MY IMd-- IMdB?
584
00:30:48,122 --> 00:30:48,756
OR IM-B-D?
585
00:30:48,823 --> 00:30:50,591
( LAUGHS )
WHICH ONE?
586
00:30:50,658 --> 00:30:53,928
I CAN KNOW-- WHICH-- WHICH ONE
COMES FIRST-- BUT I-- BUT, YEAH.
587
00:30:53,995 --> 00:30:55,997
WELL, IF YOU PUT IT LIKE
THAT,
I'D GO, YEAH, PRETTY MUCH.
588
00:30:56,063 --> 00:30:57,565
BUT IT'S A REPRESENTATION OF ALL
KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THAT.
589
00:30:57,632 --> 00:31:00,534
LIKE, BUT-- WHO'S THE PERSON IN
THAT JOB?
590
00:31:00,601 --> 00:31:02,169
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S-- WHAT'S
THE
PERSON IN THAT JOB?
591
00:31:02,236 --> 00:31:03,771
>> Wertheim: RIGHT, RIGHT,
RIGHT, RIGHT.
592
00:31:03,838 --> 00:31:06,340
>> Keaton: PEOPLE TALK ABOUT
RANGE.
593
00:31:06,407 --> 00:31:08,709
THERE'S-- YOU KNOW, IT'S--
FLATTERING.
594
00:31:08,776 --> 00:31:10,311
BUT RANGE DOESN'T REALLY--
RANGE, SCHMANGE, YOU KNOW.
595
00:31:10,378 --> 00:31:12,046
IT, LIKE--
>> Wertheim: REALLY?
596
00:31:12,113 --> 00:31:13,447
>> Keaton: YEAH, WELL, RANGE--
>> Wertheim: I WOULD THINK YOU'D
597
00:31:13,514 --> 00:31:14,749
TAKE PRIDE IN THAT.
598
00:31:14,815 --> 00:31:15,850
>> Keaton: I DO.
599
00:31:15,916 --> 00:31:18,152
BUT I DON'T THINK OF IT IN TERMS
OF, "WELL, YOU PLAYED THAT.
600
00:31:18,219 --> 00:31:18,919
THEN, YOU WERE FUNNY.
601
00:31:18,986 --> 00:31:20,655
AND THEN, YOU-- THEN YOU WERE A
SAD MAN.
602
00:31:20,721 --> 00:31:22,323
AND THEN YOU--"
YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY, TO
603
00:31:22,390 --> 00:31:24,592
ME-- RANGE.
604
00:31:24,659 --> 00:31:26,994
YOU KNOW, YOU GO INSIDE
THE--
THE PERSON, YOU KNOW.
605
00:31:27,061 --> 00:31:28,362
>> Wertheim: IS THERE RANGE
WITHIN A CHARACTER?
606
00:31:28,429 --> 00:31:29,597
>> Keaton: YEAH.
607
00:31:29,664 --> 00:31:31,432
BECAUSE THEY'RE HUMAN
BEINGS,
YOU KNOW.
608
00:31:31,499 --> 00:31:34,335
>> Wertheim: AND THAT
INCLUDES
ONE SUPERHERO.
609
00:31:34,402 --> 00:31:36,971
THIS MAY BE THE RANCH
"BATMAN"
BUILT.
610
00:31:37,038 --> 00:31:40,308
KEATON BOUGHT IT IN 1989,
THE
SAME YEAR AS HIS BIGGEST
611
00:31:40,374 --> 00:31:40,908
BLOCKBUSTER.
612
00:31:40,975 --> 00:31:43,911
>> Keaton: ALL RIGHT, LISTEN...
613
00:31:43,978 --> 00:31:46,314
>> Wertheim: BUT BY THEN, HE HAD
ALREADY ESTABLISHED HIS M.O.,
614
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:50,951
DELIVERING A CERTAIN
BELIEVABILITY TO A BROAD
ARRAY
615
00:31:51,018 --> 00:31:52,320
OF CHARACTERS: A
STAY-AT-HOME
DAD, A CRAZY-HAIRED
616
00:31:52,386 --> 00:31:54,488
POLTERGEIST...
617
00:31:54,555 --> 00:31:56,424
>> Keaton: IT'S SHOWTIME!
618
00:31:56,490 --> 00:31:58,326
>> Wertheim: ...A WASHED-UP
ACTOR, A FOUNDER.
619
00:31:58,392 --> 00:32:04,999
IN EACH OF THEM, KEATON
DOES,
WELL, THAT KEATON THING.
620
00:32:05,066 --> 00:32:09,170
HE PROJECTS A DISARMING
INTENSITY.
621
00:32:09,236 --> 00:32:12,039
HIS BROWS ARCH.
622
00:32:12,106 --> 00:32:13,007
THE EYES NARROW.
623
00:32:13,074 --> 00:32:14,475
THE MOUTH PUCKERS.
624
00:32:14,542 --> 00:32:15,242
AND WE ARE BUYING HIS CHARACTER.
625
00:32:15,309 --> 00:32:16,377
>> Keaton: I'M HERE BECAUSE
I
THINK THE STORY IS WRONG.
626
00:32:16,444 --> 00:32:19,046
IS IT?
627
00:32:19,113 --> 00:32:20,981
>> Wertheim: EVEN BEFORE HIS
TRADEMARK STACCATO PATTER KICKS
628
00:32:21,048 --> 00:32:22,383
IN.
629
00:32:22,450 --> 00:32:24,985
>> Keaton: I USED TO KIND OF
THINK I HAD TO FLEE FROM--
ME,
630
00:32:25,052 --> 00:32:27,388
YOU KNOW.
631
00:32:27,455 --> 00:32:28,723
AND THEN LATER ON, THERE'S
SOMETHING IN ME THAT'S-- THAT'S
632
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:31,058
OKAY.
633
00:32:31,125 --> 00:32:34,328
I WAS NEVER AFRAID TO GO TO A
DARK OR SCARY OR REALLY, REALLY,
634
00:32:34,395 --> 00:32:39,633
REALLY RAW PLACES-- EVER, EVER.
635
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:42,737
BUT ALSO I DIDN'T WANT TO LOOK
BACK AND GO, "YOU KIND OF-- KIND
636
00:32:42,803 --> 00:32:44,138
OF WUSSED OUT," YOU KNOW?
637
00:32:44,205 --> 00:32:46,407
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S NO CRIME
IN SAYING, "THIS IS PRETTY EASY.
638
00:32:46,474 --> 00:32:48,976
JUST-- JUST OPEN YOUR MOUTH, AND
LET THE WORDS COME OUT, AND--
639
00:32:49,043 --> 00:32:51,011
AND TELL THE TRUTH."
640
00:32:51,078 --> 00:32:52,980
>> Wertheim: THIS SIXTH
SENSE
FOR AUTHENTICITY FIRST CAME
TO
641
00:32:53,047 --> 00:32:56,984
KEATON IN THE MOST UN-HOLLYWOOD
OF PLACES: KEATON'S HOME IN
642
00:32:57,051 --> 00:33:00,354
WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA.
643
00:33:00,421 --> 00:33:04,458
IT WAS A SEMINAL MOMENT IN HIS
CHILDHOOD WHEN HIS FAMILY WON A
644
00:33:04,525 --> 00:33:05,092
BLACK AND WHITE TV IN A RAFFLE.
645
00:33:05,159 --> 00:33:09,063
>> Keaton: SO WHAT I WATCHED AND
LEARNED AND-- AND GREW UP ON AND
646
00:33:09,130 --> 00:33:12,032
LOVED WAS REALLY TELEVISION--
OLD WESTERNS PRIMARILY, WHICH I
647
00:33:12,099 --> 00:33:12,800
LOVED.
648
00:33:12,867 --> 00:33:13,367
I WANTED TO BE THOSE PEOPLE.
649
00:33:13,434 --> 00:33:16,470
( LAUGHS )
>> Wertheim: YOU DIDN'T WANT TO
650
00:33:16,537 --> 00:33:17,037
BE GENE AUTRY.
651
00:33:17,104 --> 00:33:20,541
YOU WANTED TO BE THE COWBOY.
652
00:33:20,608 --> 00:33:21,041
>> Keaton: OH, YEAH.
653
00:33:21,108 --> 00:33:23,043
AND, YOU KNOW, THE THING IS, I
NEVER BOUGHT THOSE GUYS, EVEN AT
654
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:24,645
A YOUNG AGE.
655
00:33:24,712 --> 00:33:25,212
I SAID, "THEY'RE TOO PRETTY.
656
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,181
THEY'RE TOO CLEAN.
657
00:33:27,248 --> 00:33:28,449
THEY PROBABLY DON'T SMELL."
658
00:33:28,516 --> 00:33:29,850
FROM THE TIME I WAS YOUNG.
659
00:33:29,917 --> 00:33:33,053
I HAD TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING
I
WAS SEEING.
660
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,323
>> Wertheim: MICHAEL KEATON GREW
UP THE YOUNGEST OF SEVEN KIDS,
661
00:33:36,390 --> 00:33:40,161
RAISED IN A WORKING-CLASS
TOWN
OUTSIDE PITTSBURGH.
662
00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:44,098
HIS FATHER WAS A CIVIL ENGINEER;
HIS MOTHER RAN THE SHOW AT HOME.
663
00:33:44,165 --> 00:33:46,467
KEATON WAS AN ALTAR-BOY--
LITERALLY-- AND HE SAYS, A
664
00:33:46,534 --> 00:33:49,103
DECENT STUDENT, AS LONG AS THERE
WERE NUNS AROUND.
665
00:33:49,170 --> 00:33:53,040
HE ATTENDED KENT STATE
UNIVERSITY FOR ONE YEAR, AND
666
00:33:53,107 --> 00:33:56,577
THEN SERIOUSLY COMMITTED TO WHAT
HAD, TILL THEN, BEEN VAGUE
667
00:33:56,644 --> 00:33:58,446
DESIGNS OF ACTING AND PERFORMING
STAND-UP COMEDY.
668
00:33:58,512 --> 00:34:01,348
>> Keaton: I MEAN, EVERYBODY HAS
THE HARD MEMORIES, THE
669
00:34:01,415 --> 00:34:04,518
EMBARRASSING TOUGH TIMES,
AND
THE DOWN TIMES.
670
00:34:04,585 --> 00:34:06,987
YOU KNOW, NO-- NO MONEY OR NO--
YOU KNOW, LIVING IN ( BLEEP )
671
00:34:07,054 --> 00:34:07,955
PLACES.
672
00:34:08,022 --> 00:34:10,524
BUT THAT'S, LIKE-- THAT'S, LIKE,
NOT A BIG DEAL TO ME.
673
00:34:10,591 --> 00:34:12,426
YOU KNOW, THAT'S-- THAT'S
JUST
PART OF THE DEAL.
674
00:34:12,493 --> 00:34:14,795
>> Wertheim: BUT HIS
NOSTALGIA
HAS ITS LIMITS.
675
00:34:14,862 --> 00:34:16,730
HE RECALLS THE PERILS OF THE
OPEN MIC.
676
00:34:16,797 --> 00:34:20,067
I HEARD A STORY, WHEN YOU
FOLLOWED AN IRISH FOLK SINGER UP
677
00:34:20,134 --> 00:34:21,135
ON STAGE?
678
00:34:21,202 --> 00:34:22,303
>> Keaton: UGH.
679
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:22,870
>> Wertheim: WHAT HAPPENED?
680
00:34:22,937 --> 00:34:25,506
>> Keaton: WELL, FIRST OF
ALL,
THIS ( BLEEP ) GUY WOULD
WEAR,
681
00:34:25,573 --> 00:34:29,143
LIKE, ONE OF THOSE KNIT
SWEATERS, LIKE, IN JULY.
682
00:34:29,210 --> 00:34:32,213
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE,
LIKE,
FISHERMAN SWEATERS.
683
00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:34,515
>> Wertheim: HE'S COMMITTED
TO
THE ROLE.
684
00:34:34,582 --> 00:34:36,784
>> Keaton: YES, TOTALLY
COMMITTED TO THE ROLE, YOU KNOW.
685
00:34:36,851 --> 00:34:38,752
HE'S GOING TO SING THAT SONG
WHERE, LIKE, ALL THE KIDS IN THE
686
00:34:38,819 --> 00:34:40,521
FAMILY WENT DOWN IN THE SHIP,
YOU KNOW, IN THE COLD ( BLEEP )
687
00:34:40,588 --> 00:34:42,456
IRISH SEA."
688
00:34:42,523 --> 00:34:44,425
AND I'M GOING TO GO, "HEY,
EVERYBODY, HOW YOU DOING?"
689
00:34:44,492 --> 00:34:46,527
>> Wertheim: NOT MUCH OF A WARM-
UP ACT.
690
00:34:46,594 --> 00:34:49,129
>> Keaton: NO.
691
00:34:49,196 --> 00:34:53,100
>> Wertheim: IN LOS ANGELES,
KEATON SHARPENED HIS IMPROV
692
00:34:53,167 --> 00:34:56,170
CHOPS IN THE CLUBS ON SUNSET AND
ON THE SMALL SCREEN.
693
00:34:56,237 --> 00:34:57,137
>> Keaton: I DO.
694
00:34:57,204 --> 00:35:00,241
>> Wertheim: THEN, HIS BIG
BREAK-- HE CAUGHT THE EYE OF
A
695
00:35:00,307 --> 00:35:01,609
SEASONED COMEDY WRITER WHO
RECOMMENDED HIM TO A HOT
696
00:35:01,675 --> 00:35:03,878
DIRECTOR IN TOWN.
697
00:35:03,944 --> 00:35:04,612
>> Keaton: I GOT AN
AUDITION.
698
00:35:04,678 --> 00:35:06,547
AND THEN I GOT A CALLBACK,
ANOTHER CALLBACK, ANOTHER
699
00:35:06,614 --> 00:35:08,415
CALLBACK, ANOTHER-- I THINK FIVE
OR SIX.
700
00:35:08,482 --> 00:35:10,317
>> Wertheim: ALL FOR THE ROLE OF
BILLY BLAZE.
701
00:35:10,384 --> 00:35:10,918
>> Keaton: YEAH, BILLY
BLAZE.
702
00:35:10,985 --> 00:35:12,486
YEAH.
703
00:35:12,553 --> 00:35:13,187
HOW YOU DOING?
704
00:35:13,254 --> 00:35:14,889
I'M BILL BLAZEJOWSKI.
705
00:35:14,955 --> 00:35:15,723
YOU CAN CALL ME BILLY BLAZE.
706
00:35:15,789 --> 00:35:16,590
YOU MUST BE CHUCK, RIGHT?
707
00:35:16,657 --> 00:35:18,826
NICE SHOES.
708
00:35:18,893 --> 00:35:21,195
>> Wertheim: "NIGHT SHIFT,"
DIRECTED BY RON HOWARD,
MARKED
709
00:35:21,262 --> 00:35:24,999
KEATON'S FIRST MOVIE, AN
ELECTRIC, BREAKOUT COMEDIC
710
00:35:25,065 --> 00:35:26,934
PERFORMANCE, ONE THAT STILL
HOLDS UP.
711
00:35:27,001 --> 00:35:28,369
>> Keaton: I NEED THE CAR KEYS.
712
00:35:28,435 --> 00:35:28,702
YOU GOT THEM?
713
00:35:28,769 --> 00:35:31,672
THANK YOU.
714
00:35:31,739 --> 00:35:34,575
>> Wertheim: WITH LICENSE TO
IMPROV, HE STEALS SCENE
AFTER
715
00:35:34,642 --> 00:35:37,511
SCENE AS BILL BLAZEJOWSKI,
THE
ANTIC-FRANTIC MORGUE
ATTENDANT
716
00:35:37,578 --> 00:35:40,581
MOONLIGHTING AS A PIMP.
717
00:35:40,648 --> 00:35:41,215
>> Keaton: LOVE BROKERS, HA, HA!
718
00:35:41,282 --> 00:35:43,751
>> Wertheim: YOU SEEMED TO
GET
THAT GUY.
719
00:35:43,817 --> 00:35:45,185
>> Keaton: YEAH, I GOT THAT GUY.
720
00:35:45,252 --> 00:35:48,088
IT WAS KIND OF THERE ON THE
PAGE.
721
00:35:48,155 --> 00:35:49,390
YOU KNOW, THE-- LIKE, I'M AN
IDEA MAN, THAT WAS THE
722
00:35:49,456 --> 00:35:50,925
FUNDAMENTAL THING.
723
00:35:50,991 --> 00:35:52,593
THIS IS BILL.
724
00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:56,030
IDEA TO ELIMINATE GARBAGE:
EDIBLE PAPER.
725
00:35:56,096 --> 00:35:58,098
AND THEY WERE WELCOMING IN
ALL
THE IMPROV.
726
00:35:58,165 --> 00:35:59,767
>> Wertheim: YOU COULD BRING
YOUR IMPROV CHOPS.
727
00:35:59,833 --> 00:36:00,534
>> Keaton: YEAH, YEAH.
728
00:36:00,601 --> 00:36:01,168
YEAH, THEY WERE GOOD ABOUT THAT.
729
00:36:01,235 --> 00:36:02,403
>> Wertheim: KIND OF THE BEST OF
BOTH WORLDS.
730
00:36:02,469 --> 00:36:03,137
YOU'RE NOT DOING STAND-UP.
731
00:36:03,203 --> 00:36:04,672
BUT, LIKE--
>> Keaton: 100%.
732
00:36:04,738 --> 00:36:07,374
>> Wertheim: HE WOULD LEAN ON
THOSE SKILLS ONE YEAR LATER, IN
733
00:36:07,441 --> 00:36:08,642
"MR. MOM."
734
00:36:08,709 --> 00:36:10,611
>> Keaton: WE'RE GOING TO
RIP
THESE WALLS OUT, AND THEN,
OF
735
00:36:10,678 --> 00:36:11,011
COURSE, REWIRE IT.
736
00:36:11,078 --> 00:36:13,480
>> Ron Richardson: YEAH, YOU'RE
GOING TO MAKE IT ALL 220?
737
00:36:13,547 --> 00:36:16,650
>> Keaton: YEAH, 220, 221,
WHATEVER IT TAKES.
738
00:36:16,717 --> 00:36:20,487
>> Wertheim: BUT RIGHT
BEFORE
HOLLYWOOD COULD CORNER
KEATON
739
00:36:20,554 --> 00:36:25,259
SOLELY AS A COMEDIC ACTOR,
HE
SWIVELED IN THE OPPOSITE
740
00:36:25,326 --> 00:36:28,462
DIRECTION, WITH MOVIES LIKE
"CLEAN AND SOBER" AND THE
741
00:36:28,529 --> 00:36:29,029
THRILLER "PACIFIC HEIGHTS."
742
00:36:29,096 --> 00:36:30,898
NOT A LOT OF TYPECASTING
HERE.
743
00:36:30,965 --> 00:36:32,366
ACCIDENT OR DESIGN?
744
00:36:32,433 --> 00:36:34,668
>> Keaton: I WANTED TO SET IT UP
SO THAT I HAD MORE SHOTS.
745
00:36:34,735 --> 00:36:37,705
I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO PLAY
A
LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.
746
00:36:37,771 --> 00:36:40,307
BECAUSE, I LEARNED REAL QUICKLY
THAT THEY WERE GOING, "OH, WE
747
00:36:40,374 --> 00:36:40,841
LIKE WHEN HE DOES THAT.
748
00:36:40,908 --> 00:36:41,275
GET HIM TO DO THAT.
749
00:36:41,342 --> 00:36:44,645
LET'S HIRE HIM TO DO THAT
THING."
750
00:36:44,712 --> 00:36:46,647
I THOUGHT, "OH BOY, THAT COULD,
I THINK, FRANKLY, I WOULD HAVE
751
00:36:46,714 --> 00:36:47,915
BEEN OUT OF THE BUSINESS."
752
00:36:47,982 --> 00:36:52,653
PEOPLE WOULD HAVE BEEN, IF
THEY'RE NOT BORED ALREADY, BORED
753
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:53,253
TO TEARS EARLY WITH ME.
754
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,691
>> Wertheim: THIS OVERLAY OF
LIGHT AND DARK CONVINCED
755
00:36:57,758 --> 00:37:01,228
DIRECTOR TIM BURTON THAT MICHAEL
KEATON WAS RIGHT FOR THE LEAD IN
756
00:37:01,295 --> 00:37:04,732
HIS NEXT BIG BUDGET MOVIE:
"BATMAN."
757
00:37:04,798 --> 00:37:09,336
KEATON WOULD EMBODY BRUCE WAYNE
AS A COMPLICATED, EVEN TORMENTED
758
00:37:09,403 --> 00:37:10,738
TYCOON, HELL-BENT ON
JUSTICE.
759
00:37:10,804 --> 00:37:14,508
HARDCORE FANS OF THE DC
COMIC
HERO WERE HORRIFIED ABOUT
760
00:37:14,575 --> 00:37:16,710
CASTING MR. MOM AS THE CAPED
CRUSADER.
761
00:37:16,777 --> 00:37:20,214
>> Man: WHAT ARE YOU?
762
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,315
>> Keaton: I'M BATMAN.
763
00:37:21,382 --> 00:37:22,716
YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LONG MEMORY.
764
00:37:22,783 --> 00:37:25,853
YOU KNOW, SO A COUPLE OCCASIONS
WHERE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE
765
00:37:25,919 --> 00:37:29,356
KIND OF-- NOT JUST, MAYBE
DID
MORE THAN DOUBT YOU.
766
00:37:29,423 --> 00:37:31,792
YOU GO, "OKAY, I'LL WAIT."
767
00:37:31,859 --> 00:37:33,661
>> Wertheim: PEERS, OR
REVIEWERS, OR?
768
00:37:33,727 --> 00:37:36,263
>> Keaton: JUST THINGS THAT
HAPPENED A COUPLE TIMES.
769
00:37:36,330 --> 00:37:36,897
YOU JUST KIND OF CLOCK IT.
770
00:37:36,964 --> 00:37:38,699
>> Wertheim: YOU REMEMBER
THAT
STUFF.
771
00:37:38,766 --> 00:37:39,733
>> Keaton: YEAH.
772
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,335
>> Wertheim: SO YOU'RE
COMING
INTO THIS ROLE, AND YOU'RE
THE
773
00:37:41,402 --> 00:37:43,837
NEW BATMAN.
774
00:37:43,904 --> 00:37:45,305
>> Keaton: YEAH, YEAH.
775
00:37:45,372 --> 00:37:46,240
NO, I AM THE-- BATMAN.
776
00:37:46,306 --> 00:37:46,874
>> Wertheim: YOU'RE THE BATMAN.
777
00:37:46,940 --> 00:37:47,508
BUT YOU'VE GOT THIS
LINEAGE...
778
00:37:47,574 --> 00:37:48,876
>> Keaton: YEAH.
779
00:37:48,942 --> 00:37:49,410
LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
780
00:37:49,476 --> 00:37:51,445
NO, I'M KIDDING.
781
00:37:51,512 --> 00:37:54,915
( LAUGHS )
BATMAN, THE FIRST BATMAN, I
782
00:37:54,982 --> 00:37:57,317
THINK TIM AND I BOTH KNEW IF
THAT DOESN'T WORK, THAT ONE,
I
783
00:37:57,384 --> 00:37:58,786
HAD AWARENESS OF.
784
00:37:58,852 --> 00:38:00,421
I THOUGHT, "OOH, THIS-- THIS
COULD REALLY FAIL."
785
00:38:00,487 --> 00:38:02,322
( LAUGHS )
>> Wertheim: YEAH, I MEAN,
IT
786
00:38:02,389 --> 00:38:03,924
STRIKES ME, THAT'S ANOTHER RISK
OF A DIFFERENT KIND, RIGHT?
787
00:38:03,991 --> 00:38:04,792
>> Keaton: YEAH.
788
00:38:04,858 --> 00:38:05,392
YEAH.
789
00:38:05,459 --> 00:38:08,462
THERE WAS A LOT OF PRESSURE
ON
THAT MOVIE FOR EVERYBODY.
790
00:38:08,529 --> 00:38:13,400
>> Wertheim: HOLY
GAMBLE-THAT-
PAID-OFF, BATMAN.
791
00:38:13,467 --> 00:38:16,804
THE MOVIE MADE MORE THAN $400
MILLION AND CATAPULTED KEATON TO
792
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:19,840
A NEW PLANE OF STARDOM--
PROOF
THAT RESISTING CONVENTIONAL
793
00:38:19,907 --> 00:38:21,608
HOLLYWOOD WISDOM HAD ITS
ADVANTAGES.
794
00:38:21,675 --> 00:38:26,747
KEATON CONTINUED HIS GAME OF
CHARACTER HOPSCOTCH IN
ANOTHER
795
00:38:26,814 --> 00:38:28,849
30 MOVIES, FROM SHAKESPEARE
TO
"SPOTLIGHT."
796
00:38:28,916 --> 00:38:33,387
SOME BROUGHT MORE BOX OFFICE
SUCCESS THAN OTHERS.
797
00:38:33,454 --> 00:38:37,057
BUT WHEN HE WASN'T ACTING,
KEATON WAS A HANDS-ON DAD TO HIS
798
00:38:37,124 --> 00:38:39,426
SON SEAN, WHO IS NOW 38 AND
A
SUCCESSFUL SONGWRITER IN LOS
799
00:38:39,493 --> 00:38:40,394
ANGELES.
800
00:38:40,461 --> 00:38:45,399
AND KEATON HAD REACHED A
POINT
WHERE HE COULD BE CHOOSY.
801
00:38:45,466 --> 00:38:50,938
IN 2014, ENTER "BIRDMAN,"
AND
KEATON'S ALMOST ABSURDIST
ROLE
802
00:38:51,004 --> 00:38:52,606
THAT EARNED HIM A GOLDEN
GLOBE
FOR BEST ACTOR.
803
00:38:52,673 --> 00:38:53,107
HARDEST ROLE YOU'VE HAD?
804
00:38:53,173 --> 00:38:54,575
>> Keaton: MOSTLY, YEAH.
805
00:38:54,641 --> 00:38:57,611
IT HAD TO BE SO SPECIFIC, AND SO
PRECISE.
806
00:38:57,678 --> 00:39:00,914
YOU ACTUALLY HAD TO BE, LIKE, ON
A CERTAIN WORD, OR A POINT IN
807
00:39:00,981 --> 00:39:04,852
THE SENTENCE, AND GEOGRAPHICALLY
IN A SPOT.
808
00:39:04,918 --> 00:39:09,323
LIKE, ON-- IN A HALLWAY OR DOWN
A SET OF STAIRS.
809
00:39:09,389 --> 00:39:09,857
SPECIFICALLY WORD PERFECT.
810
00:39:09,923 --> 00:39:10,858
AND IT WAS REALLY HARD.
811
00:39:10,924 --> 00:39:13,460
SCARY EVERY DAY.
812
00:39:13,527 --> 00:39:15,796
>> Wertheim: DO PEOPLE IN
YOUR
LINE OF WORK HAVE RIVALS,
LIKE
813
00:39:15,863 --> 00:39:16,797
ATHLETES?
814
00:39:16,864 --> 00:39:17,998
I MEAN, ARE YOU, YOU KNOW, "HEY,
BILL MURRAY, I'M COMING FOR
815
00:39:18,065 --> 00:39:19,299
YOU"?
816
00:39:19,366 --> 00:39:20,334
>> Keaton: I DON'T KNOW.
817
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,468
YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE THING.
818
00:39:21,535 --> 00:39:22,870
THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.
819
00:39:22,936 --> 00:39:25,038
YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T GO, LIKE, BOX
EACH OTHER.
820
00:39:25,105 --> 00:39:27,040
( LAUGHS )
YOU KNOW, I MEAN.
821
00:39:27,107 --> 00:39:28,842
WE'RE ALL IN A BROTHER AND
SISTERHOOD TO SOME DEGREE,
YOU
822
00:39:28,909 --> 00:39:29,510
KNOW?
823
00:39:29,576 --> 00:39:33,313
LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE CRITICISM OF
PEOPLE'S PERFORMANCES I FIND
824
00:39:33,380 --> 00:39:33,914
REALLY BUSH LEAGUE, YOU
KNOW?
825
00:39:33,981 --> 00:39:37,417
IT'S LIKE, "WHAT DO I KNOW?" I'M
NOT SURE I EVEN KNOW ENOUGH.
826
00:39:37,484 --> 00:39:37,951
AND I'M NOT BEING HUMBLE.
827
00:39:38,018 --> 00:39:40,621
I'M BEING HONEST.
828
00:39:40,687 --> 00:39:41,855
I DON'T-- I DON'T KNOW THAT I
EVEN KNOW ENOUGH TO SAY, "WELL,
829
00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:44,892
THAT'S NOT ANY GOOD."
830
00:39:44,958 --> 00:39:46,860
>> Wertheim: IN HIS LATEST
PROJECT, KEATON IS BACK TO
831
00:39:46,927 --> 00:39:49,463
INTERPRETING THE AMERICAN MALE.
832
00:39:49,530 --> 00:39:52,866
"DOPESICK," OUT THIS MONTH, IS A
HULU MINI-SERIES ABOUT THE
833
00:39:52,933 --> 00:39:54,535
COUNTRY'S OPIOID EPIDEMIC.
834
00:39:54,601 --> 00:39:56,770
>> Keaton: I WOULD NEVER
PRESCRIBE A NARCOTIC FOR
835
00:39:56,837 --> 00:39:57,437
MODERATE PAIN.
836
00:39:57,504 --> 00:40:01,441
>> Wertheim: KEATON PLAYS A
DOCTOR IN A COAL-MINING TOWN
837
00:40:01,508 --> 00:40:03,143
OVERWHELMED BY OXYCONTIN.
838
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:05,445
BUT THIS TIME, HE ADMITS THERE'S
A LITTLE MORE TO THE PART.
839
00:40:05,512 --> 00:40:09,983
>> Keaton: YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS
A LOT TO ME, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
840
00:40:10,050 --> 00:40:13,220
I LOST A NEPHEW TO FENTANYL AND
HEROIN.
841
00:40:13,287 --> 00:40:16,223
>> Wertheim: WHAT'S IT LIKE WHEN
YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF PERSONAL
842
00:40:16,290 --> 00:40:16,857
CONNECTION TO A ROLE?
843
00:40:16,924 --> 00:40:21,461
>> Keaton: YOU HAVE TO
REMOVE
THE EMOTION AND JUST, LIKE I
844
00:40:21,528 --> 00:40:25,465
KEEP SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S--
WHAT'S THE JOB AT HAND, YOU
845
00:40:25,532 --> 00:40:28,869
KNOW, WHAT'S-- I'M JUST A
STORYTELLER.
846
00:40:28,936 --> 00:40:32,673
>> Wertheim: BEFITTING A MAN WHO
PIVOTS FROM ROLE TO ROLE, KEATON
847
00:40:32,739 --> 00:40:34,007
IS ESPECIALLY THRILLED BY
PITTSBURGH'S TRANSITION FROM
848
00:40:34,074 --> 00:40:36,810
STEEL TO TECH.
849
00:40:36,877 --> 00:40:40,514
HE RETURNS HOME OFTEN, AND
INVITED US TO A MODIFIED
STEEL
850
00:40:40,581 --> 00:40:44,985
MILL-TURNED-INNOVATION
CENTER
NOT FAR FROM WHERE HE GREW
UP.
851
00:40:45,052 --> 00:40:48,555
KEATON IS AN INVESTOR IN A
CONSTRUCTION COMPANY, NEXII,
852
00:40:48,622 --> 00:40:51,358
THAT HERE IN PITTSBURGH PLANS TO
MAKE ECO-FRIENDLY ALTERNATIVES
853
00:40:51,425 --> 00:40:52,860
TO CONCRETE.
854
00:40:52,926 --> 00:40:53,460
>> Keaton: I GET THIS.
855
00:40:53,527 --> 00:40:57,464
AND I ACTUALLY LIKE IT.
856
00:40:57,531 --> 00:41:01,268
AND IF I'M GOING TO-- MAN, JUST
LOOK AT THIS SUMMER.
857
00:41:01,335 --> 00:41:04,938
IF I'M GOING TO HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO DO ANYTHING
AND
858
00:41:05,005 --> 00:41:07,674
PUT MY MONEY WHERE MY MOUTH IS,
YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE AN OPINION
859
00:41:07,741 --> 00:41:08,442
ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE
ANYMORE.
860
00:41:08,508 --> 00:41:09,042
IT'S, LIKE, HERE, NOW.
861
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:10,744
>> Wertheim: THE BILL'S COME
DUE, HUH?
862
00:41:10,811 --> 00:41:11,245
>> Keaton: THAT'S RIGHT.
863
00:41:11,311 --> 00:41:13,513
THE BILL'S-- THE BILL'S COME
DUE.
864
00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:16,450
>> Wertheim: KEATON WOULD
HAPPILY SPEND MORE TIME
HERE--
865
00:41:16,516 --> 00:41:20,520
AND IN MONTANA-- IF IT
WEREN'T
FOR THAT PESKY DAY JOB.
866
00:41:20,587 --> 00:41:22,623
HE JUST FINISHED FILMING
"THE
FLASH," REPRISING HIS ROLE
AS
867
00:41:22,689 --> 00:41:25,525
BATMAN, 30 YEARS AFTER HE
LEFT
THE FRANCHISE.
868
00:41:25,592 --> 00:41:28,929
AND WE HAD TO KNOW-- BUT, IS
THIS BRUCE WAYNE STILL THE
869
00:41:28,996 --> 00:41:33,533
TORTURED, SOMEWHAT DARK
FIGURE
HE WAS, AS WE RECALL?
870
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,935
>> Keaton: ISH.
871
00:41:35,002 --> 00:41:40,908
HE'S KIND OF-- YOU KNOW, I CAN'T
GIVE TOO MUCH OF THIS AWAY.
872
00:41:40,974 --> 00:41:42,843
I'M ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO GOES,
"WELL, I-- I-- I'M NOT GIVING
873
00:41:42,910 --> 00:41:43,810
THAT ( BLEEP ) AWAY."
874
00:41:43,877 --> 00:41:44,678
GO SEE THE MOVIE.
875
00:41:44,745 --> 00:41:46,914
>> Wertheim: HOW'S THE
COSTUME
FIT?
876
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:49,516
>> Keaton: PROUD TO SAY, I
SLIPPED RIGHT BACK INTO IT.
877
00:41:49,583 --> 00:41:52,552
>> Wertheim: YOU'RE 70 YEARS
OLD, AND YOU'RE STILL
KICKING
878
00:41:52,619 --> 00:41:52,920
BAD GUYS' ASS.
879
00:41:52,986 --> 00:41:55,088
THAT'S GOT TO FEEL GOOD.
880
00:41:55,155 --> 00:41:56,123
>> Keaton: YEAH.
881
00:41:56,189 --> 00:41:57,524
IF YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHOSE
ASS
NEEDS KICKED, JUST DON'T
CALL
882
00:41:57,591 --> 00:41:58,592
ME.
883
00:41:58,659 --> 00:42:03,363
( LAUGHS )
( TICKING )
884
00:42:07,634 --> 00:42:09,803
>> Whitaker: WITH THE DEATH
OF
GENERAL COLIN POWELL THIS
PAST
885
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:13,807
WEEK, AMERICA LOST ONE MORE
OF
ITS DWINDLING SUPPLY OF WISE
886
00:42:13,874 --> 00:42:17,511
MEN, AND WISE WOMEN-- WASHINGTON
HANDS WITH SEASONED PERSPECTIVE
887
00:42:17,577 --> 00:42:21,448
WHO COULD TELL A PRESIDENT WHEN
HE IS WRONG.
888
00:42:21,515 --> 00:42:23,216
LIKE GENERAL POWELL, THEY
WEREN'T ALWAYS RIGHT, BUT COULD
889
00:42:23,283 --> 00:42:28,155
BE TRUSTED TO HOLD THE NATION'S
INTEREST ABOVE PERSONAL
890
00:42:28,221 --> 00:42:29,222
AMBITION.
891
00:42:29,289 --> 00:42:32,693
SAM NUNN, OLYMPIA SNOWE, AND
GEORGE MITCHELL CAME FROM
THE
892
00:42:32,759 --> 00:42:33,460
SENATE.
893
00:42:33,527 --> 00:42:37,798
JIM BAKER WAS AN
ESTABLISHMENT
LAWYER.
894
00:42:37,864 --> 00:42:40,767
A FEW WERE FROM WALL STREET, OR,
LIKE GENERAL POWELL, FROM THE
895
00:42:40,834 --> 00:42:41,201
MILITARY.
896
00:42:41,268 --> 00:42:45,806
LAST SUNDAY ON THIS
BROADCAST,
WE HEARD FROM ANOTHER,
ROBERT
897
00:42:45,872 --> 00:42:47,374
GATES, WHO ROSE THROUGH THE
NATIONAL SECURITY AND
898
00:42:47,441 --> 00:42:49,810
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITIES.
899
00:42:49,876 --> 00:42:53,213
MOST OF THEM ARE NOW RETIRED OR
GONE.
900
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,516
WE CAN ONLY WONDER IF THE
PRESENT STATE OF AMERICAN
901
00:42:56,583 --> 00:42:59,219
POLITICS IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING
THEIR SUCCESSORS.
902
00:42:59,286 --> 00:43:01,788
I'M BILL WHITAKER.
903
00:43:01,855 --> 00:43:06,960
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH