1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,400 [CLOCK TICKING] 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,960 BILL WHITAKER: The Cap Arconaonce a German version 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,220 of the Titanic. 4 00:00:10,220 --> 00:00:12,220 BILL NIVEN: It had its own tennis court. 5 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:13,980 It had a heated swimming pool. 6 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:15,560 It had the most wonderful restaurant, 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,760 where you could look out onto the sea, the most 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,090 wonderful first class cabins. 9 00:00:19,090 --> 00:00:20,340 It was a luxury cruise ship. 10 00:00:20,340 --> 00:00:22,740 It was a luxury, luxury cruise liner. 11 00:00:22,740 --> 00:00:23,820 Absolutely was. 12 00:00:23,820 --> 00:00:25,580 BILL WHITAKER: But during World War II, 13 00:00:25,580 --> 00:00:29,480 the Nazis turned the Cap Arcona into a floating concentration 14 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,240 camp. 15 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,880 Just days before liberation, the ship 16 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,240 was bombed, killing thousands on board. 17 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,360 Why was it targeted and who sent the warplanes? 18 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,860 The answers might surprise you. 19 00:00:41,860 --> 00:00:44,745 [CLOCK TICKING] 20 00:00:44,745 --> 00:00:46,120 JON WERTHEIM: This is the setting 21 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,080 that produced what is surely the most statistically 22 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,120 improbable story in classical music history. 23 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,800 Seven siblings, each a virtuoso by almost any definition. 24 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,910 They have performed at the world's great concert halls, 25 00:01:00,910 --> 00:01:05,690 recorded chart topping albums, won prestigious awards. 26 00:01:05,690 --> 00:01:07,930 Meet the Conwy masons. 27 00:01:07,930 --> 00:01:11,866 [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC] 28 00:01:29,610 --> 00:01:30,950 I'm Bill Whitaker. 29 00:01:30,950 --> 00:01:32,210 I'm Jon Wertheim. 30 00:01:32,210 --> 00:01:33,550 I'm Anderson Cooper. 31 00:01:33,550 --> 00:01:35,130 I'm Lesley Stahl. 32 00:01:35,130 --> 00:01:37,870 Those stories tonight on 60 Minutes. 33 00:01:37,870 --> 00:01:41,298 [CLOCK TICKING] 34 00:01:45,690 --> 00:01:48,330 Everyone knows the story of the Titanic, 35 00:01:48,330 --> 00:01:52,610 the opulent British ocean liner that struck an iceberg and sank. 36 00:01:52,610 --> 00:01:54,730 But it's likely you have never heard 37 00:01:54,730 --> 00:01:58,500 of the Cap Arcona,a German version of the Titanic. 38 00:01:58,500 --> 00:02:01,460 Before World War II, the vessel was a cruise ship 39 00:02:01,460 --> 00:02:02,940 for the well-to-do. 40 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:06,180 By the end of the war, the Nazis had transformed it 41 00:02:06,180 --> 00:02:09,000 into a floating concentration camp. 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,180 Packed with prisoners, the Cap Arcona 43 00:02:11,180 --> 00:02:14,420 was anchored in Lübeck Bay, in the Baltic Sea, when 44 00:02:14,420 --> 00:02:17,860 an aerial attack, just hours before liberation, 45 00:02:17,860 --> 00:02:20,860 killed nearly everyone on board. 46 00:02:20,860 --> 00:02:25,500 As we first reported in 2024, the ship's improbable journey 47 00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:28,500 from luxury liner to death trap is 48 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:31,140 one of the most horrific and little known 49 00:02:31,140 --> 00:02:33,560 war stories we have encountered. 50 00:02:36,420 --> 00:02:40,460 On sunlit days, Germany's Baltic Coast looks idyllic. 51 00:02:40,460 --> 00:02:44,100 But this beauty masks an unthinkable horror, 52 00:02:44,100 --> 00:02:46,220 one that's etched in the local memory 53 00:02:46,220 --> 00:02:50,860 and on this beachside marker, bearing the name Cap Arcona 54 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:55,480 and the German words for fear, panic, and grief. 55 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,240 It's so calm, so peaceful. 56 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,760 And yet, out there is a graveyard. 57 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,320 You can come to a place like this 58 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,205 and just feel the weight of the history. 59 00:03:04,205 --> 00:03:06,080 BILL WHITAKER: British historian, Bill Niven, 60 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,480 has spent much of his career, studying the Holocaust. 61 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,860 We met him at Lübeck Bay, where the memory of the Cap 62 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:17,960 Arconaand a smaller cargo ship, bombed on May 3, 1945, 63 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,560 still haunts this shore. 64 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,360 What is this place? 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,160 This is a memorial, an honorary Memorial to the victims 66 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,600 of the two ships that went down with the loss of some 7,000 67 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:30,400 lives. 68 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,000 It recalls all the nationalities that 69 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,178 were victims of the sinking of the ships. 70 00:03:35,178 --> 00:03:37,220 BILL WHITAKER: There were Americans on the ships. 71 00:03:37,220 --> 00:03:38,780 BILL NIVEN: Yes, there were Greeks. 72 00:03:38,780 --> 00:03:39,620 There were Italians. 73 00:03:39,620 --> 00:03:41,960 And the Jewish people, of course, 74 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,680 represented here by the Star of David. 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,000 BILL WHITAKER: Most of the victims were on the Cap Arcona. 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,900 [NON-ENGLISH SONG] 77 00:03:50,900 --> 00:03:53,670 Every year, on the anniversary of the attack, 78 00:03:53,670 --> 00:03:56,370 a somber ceremony is held at this site 79 00:03:56,370 --> 00:04:00,032 to remember those who perished and those who suffered. 80 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:01,490 BRUNO NEURATH-WILSON: My father was 81 00:04:01,490 --> 00:04:06,210 one of the survivors of the sinking of the Cap Arcona. 82 00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:07,690 BILL WHITAKER: Bruno Neurath-Wilson 83 00:04:07,690 --> 00:04:11,290 came to honor his father Willi, a political prisoner held 84 00:04:11,290 --> 00:04:12,930 on the Cap Arcona. 85 00:04:12,930 --> 00:04:16,829 Only about 400 prisoners survived the attack, 86 00:04:16,829 --> 00:04:19,250 including Bruno's father. 87 00:04:19,250 --> 00:04:21,810 What's it like for you to be in this place? 88 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:25,110 When we go to the place, where the Cap Arconasank, 89 00:04:25,110 --> 00:04:27,770 I try to imagine what happened. 90 00:04:27,770 --> 00:04:32,142 I really cannot imagine what happened on the ship. 91 00:04:32,142 --> 00:04:33,850 BILL WHITAKER: No one could have imagined 92 00:04:33,850 --> 00:04:37,810 this end for the Cap Arcona. 93 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:41,310 Launched with great fanfare in 1927, 94 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:44,610 the ship became known as the Queen of the Atlantic, 95 00:04:44,610 --> 00:04:47,530 transporting well-heeled passengers from Europe 96 00:04:47,530 --> 00:04:50,210 to South America in two weeks. 97 00:04:50,210 --> 00:04:51,720 What was it like in its heyday? 98 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,540 Well, it was one of the most beautiful ships the Germans had. 99 00:04:54,540 --> 00:04:56,760 It had its own tennis court. 100 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,560 It had a heated swimming pool. 101 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,140 It had the most wonderful restaurant, 102 00:05:00,140 --> 00:05:02,300 where you could look out onto the sea, the most 103 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:03,880 wonderful first class cabins. 104 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:04,760 BILL WHITAKER: It was a luxury-- 105 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:05,450 BILL NIVEN: It was a luxury-- 106 00:05:05,450 --> 00:05:06,620 BILL WHITAKER: A luxury cruise. 107 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:07,745 BILL NIVEN: --cruise liner. 108 00:05:07,745 --> 00:05:08,780 Absolutely was. 109 00:05:08,780 --> 00:05:11,420 BILL WHITAKER: The Cap Arcona traversed the Atlantic dozens 110 00:05:11,420 --> 00:05:17,000 of times, but in 1933, Germany underwent a sea change. 111 00:05:19,780 --> 00:05:21,680 Adolf Hitler came to power. 112 00:05:24,580 --> 00:05:28,400 In 1939, as German troops invaded Poland, 113 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,100 the Nazis commandeered the Cap Arcona 114 00:05:31,100 --> 00:05:34,100 to serve as a floating barracks in the Baltic. 115 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:37,820 Ironically, on one of its last trips before the war, 116 00:05:37,820 --> 00:05:41,260 the ocean liner carried some German-Jewish passengers, 117 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:44,780 who had bought tickets to safety in South America. 118 00:05:44,780 --> 00:05:48,315 But most Jews had no way to escape. 119 00:05:48,315 --> 00:05:50,190 MANFRED GOLDBERG: We were rounded up and sent 120 00:05:50,190 --> 00:05:54,390 to the concentration camp, just the three of us, my mother, I, 121 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:56,310 and my younger brother. 122 00:05:56,310 --> 00:05:59,630 BILL WHITAKER: Manfred Goldberg was just 11 years old, 123 00:05:59,630 --> 00:06:03,270 when the Nazis forcibly removed him and other Jews 124 00:06:03,270 --> 00:06:07,410 from his hometown of Kassel, in Central Germany. 125 00:06:07,410 --> 00:06:09,430 MANFRED GOLDBERG: The cruel experiences 126 00:06:09,430 --> 00:06:14,630 during my young years, between 11 and 15, 127 00:06:14,630 --> 00:06:18,838 they're firmly lodged, clearly, in my mind to this day. 128 00:06:18,838 --> 00:06:20,630 BILL WHITAKER: He would survive confinement 129 00:06:20,630 --> 00:06:24,670 in the Riga, Latvia ghetto and four different concentration 130 00:06:24,670 --> 00:06:25,750 camps. 131 00:06:25,750 --> 00:06:28,110 MANFRED GOLDBERG: We lost our names. 132 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:31,150 Each one of us was given a number instead. 133 00:06:31,150 --> 00:06:33,950 In the well-known camp of Auschwitz, 134 00:06:33,950 --> 00:06:36,710 people had the number tattooed on their arm, 135 00:06:36,710 --> 00:06:39,050 but we had to remember our numbers. 136 00:06:39,050 --> 00:06:43,810 My number, incidentally, was 56478. 137 00:06:43,810 --> 00:06:45,390 If you forgot it in the camps, you 138 00:06:45,390 --> 00:06:48,800 were usually punished for it, so I buried it 139 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,600 in my mind, so as never to forget it, 140 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,240 and I won't, as long as I live. 141 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:55,880 BILL WHITAKER: In Nazi-held Latvia, 142 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,040 Goldberg, his mother, Rosa, and other prisoners 143 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,440 were forced to repair bombed-out railroad tracks during the day. 144 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,900 When they returned to camp one night, 145 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:09,100 they learned the SS had taken Manfred's little brother, 146 00:07:09,100 --> 00:07:11,240 Hermann, and three other children. 147 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,328 They were never seen again. 148 00:07:13,328 --> 00:07:15,120 MANFRED GOLDBERG: They just disappeared off 149 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,520 the face of the Earth. 150 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,160 The next morning, both my mother and I 151 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,280 had to line up and go to work, as though nothing untoward had 152 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:23,980 happened. 153 00:07:23,980 --> 00:07:25,800 BILL WHITAKER: What did that do to you and your mother? 154 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,920 MANFRED GOLDBERG: I had grown close to my brother 155 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,040 because my mother packed some fairy tale books, stories 156 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,500 for small children, and we would lie on the floor, side by side, 157 00:07:36,500 --> 00:07:40,360 and I would read to him because he couldn't read himself. 158 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,160 As a result, we were so very close to each other. 159 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,780 So when he disappeared, I was nearly as 160 00:07:46,780 --> 00:07:51,880 heartbroken as my mother at the loss of her little baby, 161 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:52,860 so to speak. 162 00:07:52,860 --> 00:07:56,100 He was seven, when he went into the camps, and nine the day 163 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:58,220 he disappeared. 164 00:07:58,220 --> 00:08:00,980 BILL WHITAKER: Goldberg and his mother ended up in the Stutthof 165 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:03,460 Camp in Nazi-occupied Poland. 166 00:08:03,460 --> 00:08:05,920 Another young boy, George Schwab, 167 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,940 was imprisoned there, too. 168 00:08:07,940 --> 00:08:13,780 The crematoria, burning of bodies all the time, gassing. 169 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:14,500 Terrible. 170 00:08:14,500 --> 00:08:17,660 BILL WHITAKER: Schwab only nine years old, 171 00:08:17,660 --> 00:08:23,020 when German soldiers invaded his hometown of Liepaja, Latvia. 172 00:08:23,020 --> 00:08:25,780 Schwab's father, a prominent physician, 173 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:29,220 tried to protect other Jews in town. 174 00:08:29,220 --> 00:08:32,880 GEORGE SCHWAB: He noticed SS trucks were approaching, 175 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:40,720 and he waved for fellow Jews to disperse, and they arrested him, 176 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,910 knocked out one eye, threw him down the cellar, 177 00:08:44,910 --> 00:08:47,310 and then killed him. 178 00:08:47,310 --> 00:08:50,410 BILL WHITAKER: Bruno's father, Willi Neurath, was not Jewish, 179 00:08:50,410 --> 00:08:53,510 but he actively opposed the Nazi regime. 180 00:08:53,510 --> 00:08:57,350 My parents belonged to the small minority of German people 181 00:08:57,350 --> 00:08:59,610 who fight against the Nazis. 182 00:08:59,610 --> 00:09:01,610 They didn't fight with weapons, of course. 183 00:09:01,610 --> 00:09:02,810 Fight with their words. 184 00:09:02,810 --> 00:09:04,852 BRUNO NEURATH-WILSON: Yes, fighting with papers-- 185 00:09:04,852 --> 00:09:05,787 with printed papers. 186 00:09:05,787 --> 00:09:07,870 BILL WHITAKER: Willi was arrested for distributing 187 00:09:07,870 --> 00:09:10,270 anti-fascist flyers. 188 00:09:10,270 --> 00:09:11,810 They brought them to Buchenwald. 189 00:09:11,810 --> 00:09:14,790 And from Buchenwald, they brought him 190 00:09:14,790 --> 00:09:18,870 to the concentration camp, Neuengamme by Hamburg. 191 00:09:18,870 --> 00:09:21,230 BILL WHITAKER: The Neuengamme work camp mostly held 192 00:09:21,230 --> 00:09:22,750 political prisoners. 193 00:09:22,750 --> 00:09:27,230 Inside this massive warehouse, historian Bill Niven told us, 194 00:09:27,230 --> 00:09:30,930 prisoners, like Willi Neurath, made bricks. 195 00:09:30,930 --> 00:09:33,030 What does it feel like to walk in here? 196 00:09:33,030 --> 00:09:34,890 It feels like a factory of death. 197 00:09:34,890 --> 00:09:37,450 You can sense what went on in this place. 198 00:09:37,450 --> 00:09:39,610 But this was not a death camp. 199 00:09:39,610 --> 00:09:41,030 This was a work camp. 200 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:43,440 BILL NIVEN: It's a very, very slim distinction. 201 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,880 In the course of this work, they die. 202 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,920 They die in droves. 203 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,720 BILL WHITAKER: Willi Neurath managed to survive, 204 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,360 but as fate would have it, he, Schwab, the Goldbergs, 205 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,120 and the Cap Arcona all would end up 206 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:02,480 at Lübeck Bay, one of the last Nazi defensive positions. 207 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,260 In 1945, as the Allies were closing in, 208 00:10:06,260 --> 00:10:09,220 the Cap Arcona,now rusted and battered, 209 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:11,880 was repositioned to Lübeck Bay. 210 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,240 At the same time, SS Chief Heinrich Himmler 211 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,040 ordered the evacuation of concentration camps. 212 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,530 Why were they trying to clear these places out? 213 00:10:21,530 --> 00:10:23,240 BILL NIVEN: There is an order by Himmler 214 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,600 that no prisoner is to be delivered 215 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,520 into the hands of the enemy alive. 216 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,180 But I think the main concern was to get rid of evidence. 217 00:10:30,180 --> 00:10:31,700 Because prisoners are evidence. 218 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:32,700 They can talk. 219 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:33,500 They can tell. 220 00:10:33,500 --> 00:10:35,200 They can speak to those atrocities that 221 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,880 were committed by the Nazis. 222 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,000 So getting rid of the evidence meant 223 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,908 getting rid of human beings. 224 00:10:40,908 --> 00:10:42,450 BILL WHITAKER: Thousands of prisoners 225 00:10:42,450 --> 00:10:45,690 were sent to the Nazi holdout at Lübeck Bay. 226 00:10:45,690 --> 00:10:50,950 Willi Neurath was forced North from Neuengamme, about 50 miles. 227 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:55,050 From Stutthof in the East, George Schwab, Manfred Goldberg, 228 00:10:55,050 --> 00:10:59,850 and his mother were sent to a nearby town, aptly named Hell, 229 00:10:59,850 --> 00:11:01,890 and put on barges. 230 00:11:01,890 --> 00:11:07,010 We had to sit down, spread our legs wide apart, 231 00:11:07,010 --> 00:11:09,810 so the next person could sit between our legs 232 00:11:09,810 --> 00:11:12,970 so that their back was touching our chest. 233 00:11:12,970 --> 00:11:16,530 That way, they could get the maximum number of people 234 00:11:16,530 --> 00:11:20,290 into that confined area of the barge. 235 00:11:20,290 --> 00:11:22,570 Four tugs appeared. 236 00:11:22,570 --> 00:11:26,610 The crews were SS people. 237 00:11:26,610 --> 00:11:29,970 Each one coupled themselves to one of the barges, 238 00:11:29,970 --> 00:11:31,630 and they told us out to sea. 239 00:11:31,630 --> 00:11:36,770 We had absolutely no idea what was planned, what was happening. 240 00:11:36,770 --> 00:11:42,110 People kept speculating that they would just sink us 241 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:43,743 at sea to get rid of us. 242 00:11:43,743 --> 00:11:45,410 BILL WHITAKER: What were the conditions? 243 00:11:45,410 --> 00:11:46,450 Oh, terrible. 244 00:11:46,450 --> 00:11:48,250 Just beyond description. 245 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:52,130 No toilet facilities, hardly any food. 246 00:11:52,130 --> 00:11:53,210 You could hardly sit. 247 00:11:53,210 --> 00:11:54,970 You could certainly not sleep. 248 00:11:54,970 --> 00:11:55,990 Sounds like hell. 249 00:11:55,990 --> 00:11:59,050 Hell-- hell on Earth, absolutely. 250 00:11:59,050 --> 00:12:01,910 BILL WHITAKER: The barges, each packed with about 1,000 251 00:12:01,910 --> 00:12:05,370 prisoners, were towed by tugboat for six days, 252 00:12:05,370 --> 00:12:09,630 about 400 miles across the Baltic to where the Cap Arcona 253 00:12:09,630 --> 00:12:11,990 was positioned. 254 00:12:11,990 --> 00:12:17,250 The Cap Arconaarrived in Lübeck Bay on April 14, 1945, 255 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:19,430 two weeks before Hitler killed himself, 256 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:22,390 and three weeks before the end of the war in Europe. 257 00:12:22,390 --> 00:12:26,070 It was anchored out there, about 2 miles off shore. 258 00:12:26,070 --> 00:12:29,670 With its engines barely running and little in the way of food 259 00:12:29,670 --> 00:12:33,130 and water, the former queen of the Atlantic, 260 00:12:33,130 --> 00:12:35,520 a playground for the rich and famous, 261 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,080 was about to become a floating concentration camp. 262 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,900 With nowhere to hold the amassed prisoners, 263 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:47,660 SS guards jammed more than 4,000, including Willi Neurath, 264 00:12:47,660 --> 00:12:49,840 on to the Cap Arcona. 265 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,000 And one must remember, this is a ship that's meant for 1,500 266 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:53,500 people. 267 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:56,140 It's not meant 4,000 to 5,000 prisoners. 268 00:12:56,140 --> 00:12:57,420 So they were jammed. 269 00:12:57,420 --> 00:12:59,220 They were jammed like sardines. 270 00:12:59,220 --> 00:13:03,200 Do we know what the Nazis intended to do 271 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,860 with the prisoners on the ship? 272 00:13:04,860 --> 00:13:08,000 I think they intended them to die. 273 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,720 BILL WHITAKER: Prisoners already were dying on the barges, 274 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,500 fleeing Stutthof, carrying Schwab and the Goldbergs. 275 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:16,020 You had been without food and water? 276 00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:19,000 Very little, next to nothing. 277 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,920 Very little. 278 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,320 BILL WHITAKER: Once in the Bay, the SS guards 279 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,240 uncoupled the tugboats, leaving the prisoners adrift. 280 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,220 And we were left on the high seas, in the barges alone. 281 00:13:31,220 --> 00:13:32,340 They just abandoned you? 282 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:33,080 Abandoned. 283 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,410 We were left alone, supposedly, on minefields. 284 00:13:37,410 --> 00:13:39,330 BILL WHITAKER: Schwab and Goldberg 285 00:13:39,330 --> 00:13:41,690 told us, mixed in with the concentration 286 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:44,810 camp victims were a few prisoners of war. 287 00:13:44,810 --> 00:13:47,670 They had been better fed and better treated, 288 00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:49,970 and they seized the opportunity. 289 00:13:49,970 --> 00:13:53,650 They managed to prise loose some very long floorboards 290 00:13:53,650 --> 00:13:57,450 and began using these planks of wood as oars. 291 00:13:57,450 --> 00:14:01,390 And they rowed in that manner into the night. 292 00:14:01,390 --> 00:14:04,570 Shortly before dawn, the barge ran aground, 293 00:14:04,570 --> 00:14:07,170 and anyone who still had an ounce of strength 294 00:14:07,170 --> 00:14:09,890 began clambering onto the top deck. 295 00:14:09,890 --> 00:14:13,770 It meant jumping into the water and wading through the water 296 00:14:13,770 --> 00:14:14,970 to shore. 297 00:14:14,970 --> 00:14:17,550 But there were a proportion of people on board. 298 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:18,890 They were still alive. 299 00:14:18,890 --> 00:14:20,930 They were still breathing, but their mind 300 00:14:20,930 --> 00:14:22,470 had ceased functioning. 301 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:26,393 They just sat there listlessly, awaiting their fate. 302 00:14:26,393 --> 00:14:27,810 BILL WHITAKER: Norwegian prisoners 303 00:14:27,810 --> 00:14:31,580 on George Schwab's barge took advantage of the wind blowing 304 00:14:31,580 --> 00:14:33,020 toward shore. 305 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:36,140 They came and collected the blankets 306 00:14:36,140 --> 00:14:39,180 that we had and made sails. 307 00:14:39,180 --> 00:14:43,240 And we managed to sail towards land. 308 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,460 What was your condition? 309 00:14:45,460 --> 00:14:49,060 Terribly weak. 310 00:14:49,060 --> 00:14:52,860 I was a walking skeleton. 311 00:14:52,860 --> 00:14:54,400 BILL WHITAKER: Like many on board, 312 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,940 he was almost too weak to move. 313 00:14:56,940 --> 00:14:59,580 But a fellow prisoner, an acquaintance from his home 314 00:14:59,580 --> 00:15:04,420 town named Jule, saw him and demanded he get up. 315 00:15:04,420 --> 00:15:07,920 Jule sort of dragged me. 316 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,760 I begged him, leave me alone. 317 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,920 I have no strength. 318 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,395 I have-- no, no, no, no, no. 319 00:15:12,395 --> 00:15:14,020 BILL WHITAKER: With Jule's help, Schwab 320 00:15:14,020 --> 00:15:17,100 managed to climb out of the barge. 321 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:19,820 The Goldbergs got out of theirs, too, 322 00:15:19,820 --> 00:15:24,760 only to be intercepted by the SS and German troops on the beach. 323 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,500 They, of course, were livid that we had moved the barge 324 00:15:28,500 --> 00:15:30,350 and had jumped off. 325 00:15:30,350 --> 00:15:35,670 So in revenge, one part of them clambered onto the barge 326 00:15:35,670 --> 00:15:37,290 and would hear a lot of shooting. 327 00:15:37,290 --> 00:15:40,310 Everyone of these unfortunate people, 328 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:43,350 who no longer knew what to do to save themselves, 329 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:47,150 were shot because they were just sitting there listlessly. 330 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:50,990 And we felt practically certain that we would be shot next. 331 00:15:50,990 --> 00:15:55,330 But instead, they lined us up into a column. 332 00:15:55,330 --> 00:16:03,550 We were told that we were going to be shipped to a liner 333 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:06,070 by the name of Cap Arcona. 334 00:16:06,070 --> 00:16:08,150 And while we stood there, we saw 335 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:14,510 quite a large number of bombers, aeroplanes, moving overhead. 336 00:16:14,510 --> 00:16:17,590 The Cap Arconawas in the bomber's sights. 337 00:16:17,590 --> 00:16:22,430 The war was nearly over, but the prisoners ordeal was not. 338 00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:25,290 That part of the story when we come back. 339 00:16:25,290 --> 00:16:28,658 [CLOCK TICKING] 340 00:16:33,930 --> 00:16:37,490 At the beginning of May, 1945, the war in Europe 341 00:16:37,490 --> 00:16:39,170 was all, but over. 342 00:16:39,170 --> 00:16:40,910 Adolf Hitler was dead. 343 00:16:40,910 --> 00:16:44,090 German forces were in retreat, and the Third Reich 344 00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:45,410 was crumbling. 345 00:16:45,410 --> 00:16:49,450 One of the last Nazi defensive positions was at Lübeck Bay, 346 00:16:49,450 --> 00:16:52,290 in the Baltic Sea, where German ships fled, 347 00:16:52,290 --> 00:16:55,730 seeking safe harbor, including the Cap Arcona, 348 00:16:55,730 --> 00:16:58,810 a luxury ocean liner commandeered by the Nazis 349 00:16:58,810 --> 00:17:00,410 for the war effort. 350 00:17:00,410 --> 00:17:05,490 As the Allies closed in, the SS evacuated concentration camps 351 00:17:05,490 --> 00:17:11,930 and packed thousands of prisoners on to the Cap Arcona. 352 00:17:11,930 --> 00:17:18,089 Around noon, on May 3, 1945, 13-year-old George Schwab was 353 00:17:18,089 --> 00:17:20,730 ordered to line up to board the ship. 354 00:17:20,730 --> 00:17:22,890 But the Cap Arcona could not come 355 00:17:22,890 --> 00:17:26,540 close to shore because it was a large liner. 356 00:17:26,540 --> 00:17:27,480 It was a big ship. 357 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:31,180 So we were going to be transported to the Cap Arcona 358 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:32,680 by another ship. 359 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,120 I was in the back of the line. 360 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:35,560 I was in no hurry. 361 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,460 You purposely got to the back of the line? 362 00:17:37,460 --> 00:17:39,260 Back of the line. 363 00:17:39,260 --> 00:17:41,780 BILL WHITAKER: He was at a dock near this German Naval 364 00:17:41,780 --> 00:17:46,100 base, where Manfred Goldberg and his mother were lined up, too. 365 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:48,900 And it is while we stood there, 366 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:53,360 that we witnessed bombers and fighter planes coming along. 367 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:55,420 Could you see any markings on the plane? 368 00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:57,858 No, we had no idea what nationality they were. 369 00:17:57,858 --> 00:17:59,400 You could see the planes coming in? 370 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,858 You could see the planes clearly. 371 00:18:00,858 --> 00:18:02,740 You could see the bombs dropping. 372 00:18:02,740 --> 00:18:05,320 Can you remember what it sounded like? 373 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,600 There was some pretty powerful explosions, 374 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,540 and there were quite a few. 375 00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:12,040 BILL WHITAKER: The Cap Arconawas hit. 376 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,960 With more than 4,000 prisoners on board, 377 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,040 the floating concentration camp became a fiery tomb. 378 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,440 In a hard-to-believe turn of events, 379 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,390 the attackers were British typhoon fighters, 380 00:18:24,390 --> 00:18:27,070 like these, part of the Allied forces, 381 00:18:27,070 --> 00:18:30,150 moving in to finish off the Nazis. 382 00:18:30,150 --> 00:18:33,090 The British came to liberate these prisoners. 383 00:18:33,090 --> 00:18:33,830 They did, yeah. 384 00:18:33,830 --> 00:18:37,330 And ended up killing thousands of them. 385 00:18:37,330 --> 00:18:39,590 It's like horror on top of horror. 386 00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:40,170 It is. 387 00:18:40,170 --> 00:18:44,670 And yet, some of them did survive to remember it. 388 00:18:44,670 --> 00:18:47,390 BILL WHITAKER: Bill Niven is a British historian and scholar 389 00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:48,750 of the Holocaust. 390 00:18:48,750 --> 00:18:52,750 He told us the mistaken attack on the Cap Arconaand a smaller 391 00:18:52,750 --> 00:18:56,750 ship is one of the most wrenching tragedies of the war. 392 00:18:56,750 --> 00:18:59,030 BILL NIVEN: The prisoners knew that the war 393 00:18:59,030 --> 00:19:00,510 was nearing its end. 394 00:19:00,510 --> 00:19:02,550 I think a lot of them probably had hopes, 395 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:03,970 that they would survive. 396 00:19:03,970 --> 00:19:07,390 And that gave them the strength and the courage to hang on. 397 00:19:07,390 --> 00:19:10,470 BILL WHITAKER: At the Cap Arcona Museum, in the town of Neustadt, 398 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:13,710 by Lübeck Bay, he described the attack. 399 00:19:13,710 --> 00:19:16,410 British typhoons struck in waves. 400 00:19:16,410 --> 00:19:19,870 The Cap Arconawas hit around 3:00 PM. 401 00:19:19,870 --> 00:19:22,940 Do you have any idea how many bombs were dropped on the ship? 402 00:19:22,940 --> 00:19:25,180 Some people say 60 or over 60. 403 00:19:25,180 --> 00:19:27,800 You can imagine the panic and the horror that broke out 404 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,460 when the bombs hit the ship, especially 405 00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:31,960 for those concentration camp prisoners, who were in the very 406 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,260 lower decks of the ship. 407 00:19:33,260 --> 00:19:35,760 And they were unable to get up to the top because 408 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,480 of the flames. 409 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,240 BILL WHITAKER: Is this the worst case 410 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:43,480 of friendly fire in the Royal Air Force's history? 411 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,560 Quite probably, yeah. 412 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,720 BILL WHITAKER: Sebastian Cox retired last year 413 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,760 as chief historian for Britain's Royal Air Force, the RAF. 414 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,120 He blames the incident on the fog of war. 415 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:58,560 Why was the Cap Arconatargeted? 416 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:03,160 Because the Allies believed that there 417 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,480 was going to be an attempt to flee 418 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,760 by certain Nazi elements across the Baltic 419 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,280 to Norway and essentially continue the war. 420 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,440 Did the British military have any idea 421 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,280 that concentration camp survivors 422 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,400 were on the Cap Arcona? 423 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,477 If you mean, did the pilots have any idea, absolutely not. 424 00:20:23,477 --> 00:20:25,810 BILL WHITAKER: But other members of the British military 425 00:20:25,810 --> 00:20:27,170 did know. 426 00:20:27,170 --> 00:20:30,770 What we learn from the records that the British were handed 427 00:20:30,770 --> 00:20:35,050 to opportunities very close to the 3rd of May, 428 00:20:35,050 --> 00:20:38,190 in regards to the placement of prisoners on board the ship. 429 00:20:38,190 --> 00:20:41,070 Concentration camp prisoners on those ships. 430 00:20:41,070 --> 00:20:42,050 Indeed. 431 00:20:42,050 --> 00:20:45,210 BILL WHITAKER: Daniel Long wrote his PhD history thesis 432 00:20:45,210 --> 00:20:47,650 on the attack on the Cap Arcona. 433 00:20:47,650 --> 00:20:50,010 We met him at the British National Archives 434 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:54,650 in London, where he showed us these fragile war documents. 435 00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:57,250 DANIEL LONG: This is the only official investigation 436 00:20:57,250 --> 00:21:00,560 that was carried out into the tragic sinking of the Cap 437 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:01,522 Arcona. 438 00:21:01,522 --> 00:21:03,230 BILL WHITAKER: Shortly after the bombing, 439 00:21:03,230 --> 00:21:05,170 a British war crimes investigator 440 00:21:05,170 --> 00:21:06,930 interviewed the intelligence officer 441 00:21:06,930 --> 00:21:10,570 for the squadrons that attacked the Cap Arconaand other ships 442 00:21:10,570 --> 00:21:11,802 in the Bay. 443 00:21:11,802 --> 00:21:14,010 DANIEL LONG: The intelligence officer admitted on two 444 00:21:14,010 --> 00:21:18,510 occasions that a message was received on the 2nd of May 1945, 445 00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:21,350 that the ships had been loaded with concentration camp 446 00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:22,390 prisoners. 447 00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:24,510 BILL WHITAKER: That intelligence came in the day 448 00:21:24,510 --> 00:21:26,150 before the attack. 449 00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:28,190 DANIEL LONG: Which then leads to suggest 450 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:31,130 that there was ample time to warn the pilots on the planes. 451 00:21:31,130 --> 00:21:34,790 That information did not make it to the RAF pilots. 452 00:21:34,790 --> 00:21:35,773 That's correct. 453 00:21:35,773 --> 00:21:37,190 BILL WHITAKER: The report does not 454 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:41,190 say why the intelligence officer failed to inform the pilots, 455 00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:44,670 but it did blame RAF personnel for the error 456 00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:47,590 and called for further inquiry. 457 00:21:47,590 --> 00:21:50,550 The report strongly urged that there 458 00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:53,390 be a follow-up investigation. 459 00:21:53,390 --> 00:21:55,150 That has never happened, has it? 460 00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:56,410 Not to my knowledge. 461 00:21:56,410 --> 00:21:58,030 Why not? 462 00:21:58,030 --> 00:22:03,190 Attempting to conduct a detailed investigation 463 00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:06,170 would, in many respects, be a little pointless. 464 00:22:06,170 --> 00:22:07,790 What are you going to conclude? 465 00:22:07,790 --> 00:22:11,810 To find out what went wrong, what mistakes were made. 466 00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:14,030 We know what happened. 467 00:22:14,030 --> 00:22:16,640 The RAF made a mistake. 468 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,500 An individual made a very tragic mistake, 469 00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:22,280 and we know the consequences. 470 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,240 BILL WHITAKER: About 7,000 prisoners perished when 471 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,480 the ships were bombed in the Bay. 472 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,660 Of the more than 4,000 on the Cap Arcona, 473 00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:34,880 only about 400 survived. 474 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,560 Bill Niven told us several survivors later 475 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,568 wrote accounts of the hell they endured at sea. 476 00:22:41,568 --> 00:22:44,760 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] 477 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,960 Thousands of prisoners were packed together like herrings. 478 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,320 [NON-ENGLISH SPEECH] 479 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,140 So they stretched their arms up, and they cried out, I want out! 480 00:22:55,140 --> 00:22:56,095 I want out! 481 00:22:56,095 --> 00:22:58,220 This is really quite terrible to have to read this. 482 00:22:58,220 --> 00:23:00,940 The fire suddenly got more and more intensive, 483 00:23:00,940 --> 00:23:03,240 and this was because the flesh of the prisoners 484 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,180 was burning so strongly, it made this intensity happen. 485 00:23:07,180 --> 00:23:09,840 It's distressing to read. 486 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,020 BILL WHITAKER: Bruno Neurath-Wilson's father, 487 00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:14,810 Willi, a political prisoner, was trapped 488 00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:16,665 on the ship when the bombs hit. 489 00:23:16,665 --> 00:23:18,290 BRUNO NEURATH-WILSON: My father managed 490 00:23:18,290 --> 00:23:21,590 to go to the back of the ship, where it was not burning, 491 00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:24,790 and that he survived, because he couldn't swim. 492 00:23:24,790 --> 00:23:26,550 He survived because he couldn't swim. 493 00:23:26,550 --> 00:23:28,175 BRUNO NEURATH-WILSON: He couldn't swim. 494 00:23:28,175 --> 00:23:29,470 He did not jump into the water. 495 00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:33,290 And prisoners who jumped into the water were shot by the SS. 496 00:23:33,290 --> 00:23:35,790 BILL WHITAKER: When the British realized their mistake, 497 00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:39,890 they dispatched rescuers, who plucked Willi Neurath and others 498 00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:44,710 from the listing deck of the Cap Arcona,and took them to shore. 499 00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:48,298 This is the stretch of beach where your father came ashore? 500 00:23:48,298 --> 00:23:49,590 This front of the beach, yes. 501 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:53,830 BILL WHITAKER: Bruno told us, in an improbable twist of fate, 502 00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:56,430 his mother, Eva, a naval staff assistant, 503 00:23:56,430 --> 00:23:59,970 had been transferred to the naval base at Lübeck Bay. 504 00:23:59,970 --> 00:24:04,090 When she saw the bombing, she was drawn to the beach. 505 00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:07,990 She had only one hope-- to know where is my husband? 506 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:09,270 Is he still living? 507 00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:11,830 And maybe my husband is on the ship. 508 00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:13,780 How did they find each other? 509 00:24:13,780 --> 00:24:15,500 She came from this direction, and she 510 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:17,560 saw a man coming towards her. 511 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,000 She didn't recognize the one person she wanted to see. 512 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,820 He must have been thin and weak. 513 00:24:24,820 --> 00:24:27,500 And dirty from the burning. 514 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:31,780 But he came over to her and called his nickname 515 00:24:31,780 --> 00:24:33,820 he had for her, Muppel. 516 00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:34,820 What does Muppel mean? 517 00:24:34,820 --> 00:24:38,900 Muppel means something like I love your round face. 518 00:24:38,900 --> 00:24:42,820 She recognized his voice by this one word, "Muppel." 519 00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:47,360 BILL WHITAKER: That ship was a graveyard for so many people. 520 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,800 But yet, it brought your parents back together. 521 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,620 Yeah, I don't know if there are hidden meanings in life, 522 00:24:54,620 --> 00:24:58,380 but one meaning can be that I am alive now 523 00:24:58,380 --> 00:25:01,460 and can tell you about this story. 524 00:25:01,460 --> 00:25:03,060 BILL WHITAKER: As for George Schwab, 525 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:06,060 he pulled inspiration from the horror. 526 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:10,470 This is a prize for having helped Latvia get into NATO. 527 00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:13,190 BILL WHITAKER: The native of Latvia, moved to New York, 528 00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:15,690 earned a PhD in political science, 529 00:25:15,690 --> 00:25:20,150 and had an illustrious career as an academic and peace broker. 530 00:25:20,150 --> 00:25:22,363 GEORGE SCHWAB: Here, I'm with King Hussein-- 531 00:25:22,363 --> 00:25:23,530 BILL WHITAKER: Bill Clinton. 532 00:25:23,530 --> 00:25:24,780 GEORGE SCHWAB: --Bill Clinton. 533 00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:27,550 Dr. Schwab, I think you knew everyone. 534 00:25:27,550 --> 00:25:30,590 Somewhat. 535 00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:32,630 BILL WHITAKER: Manfred Goldberg and his mother 536 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:33,950 settled in London. 537 00:25:33,950 --> 00:25:36,910 She passed away in 1961. 538 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:40,510 Goldberg married, started a business and a family. 539 00:25:40,510 --> 00:25:44,990 In 2017, he returned to the Stutthof concentration camp 540 00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:47,990 with the then Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. 541 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:51,990 He made it his life mission to share his story. 542 00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:55,650 I consider that part of my revenge on the Nazis. 543 00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:58,910 They wanted to exterminate us. 544 00:25:58,910 --> 00:26:02,350 And here we are, not only having survived, 545 00:26:02,350 --> 00:26:04,150 we are now great grandparents. 546 00:26:04,150 --> 00:26:05,510 That's your revenge. 547 00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:09,370 My revenge on the Nazis, yes. 548 00:26:09,370 --> 00:26:11,490 BILL WHITAKER: The Cap Arconalay half sunken 549 00:26:11,490 --> 00:26:15,330 in Lübeck Bay for four years before being dismantled. 550 00:26:15,330 --> 00:26:19,170 But the story has lain beneath the surface, little known 551 00:26:19,170 --> 00:26:22,930 beyond this Baltic Coast. 552 00:26:22,930 --> 00:26:26,650 It's now tradition on the 3rd of May for families of victims 553 00:26:26,650 --> 00:26:30,470 and survivors to sail to the site, where the ship was bombed. 554 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:33,255 [BELL RINGS] 555 00:26:35,090 --> 00:26:37,670 They want the world to remember. 556 00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:45,770 This past November, Manfred Goldberg 557 00:26:45,770 --> 00:26:49,010 passed away at the age of 95. 558 00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:52,290 Several months earlier, he had returned to Lübeck Bay 559 00:26:52,290 --> 00:26:56,250 to commemorate the 80th anniversary of his liberation. 560 00:26:56,250 --> 00:27:00,010 He stood on the site, where he witnessed the attack on the Cap 561 00:27:00,010 --> 00:27:02,490 Arconaand went to a Jewish cemetery 562 00:27:02,490 --> 00:27:05,662 to chant a memorial prayer. 563 00:27:05,662 --> 00:27:08,614 [CLOCK TICKING] 564 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:19,340 Let us make the case that the most successful music 565 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:22,360 conservatory is not in Paris, Vienna, or Berlin, 566 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,840 but rather in a house on a tree-lined street in Nottingham, 567 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,660 England. 568 00:27:26,660 --> 00:27:28,800 It might be an unpretentious structure, 569 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,620 but it's there that seven extravagant talents were 570 00:27:31,620 --> 00:27:33,460 nourished on a variety of instruments 571 00:27:33,460 --> 00:27:37,020 before setting off to perform at the world's great concert halls, 572 00:27:37,020 --> 00:27:40,740 often as featured soloists with the world's great orchestras. 573 00:27:40,740 --> 00:27:43,700 When we first met them last winter, each of the seven 574 00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,100 was still under age 30, representing the young crossover 575 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,060 stars that the ever-graying classical music world so 576 00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:51,500 urgently needs. 577 00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,460 Oh, and one other thing, they're all siblings. 578 00:27:54,460 --> 00:27:56,560 Presenting, the Kanneh-Masons. 579 00:28:06,830 --> 00:28:10,270 It's rare these days to find all seven Kanneh-Mason siblings 580 00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:12,990 under one roof. 581 00:28:12,990 --> 00:28:16,730 But when they are back in their childhood home in Nottingham, 582 00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:19,830 old habits return quickly. 583 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:23,270 Amid the din, it's hard to keep thoughts together, much less 584 00:28:23,270 --> 00:28:24,630 keep tempo. 585 00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:27,550 Every room spoken for as the siblings practice 586 00:28:27,550 --> 00:28:31,190 Bach or Beethoven or Brahms. 587 00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:33,550 This was the setting that produced what is surely 588 00:28:33,550 --> 00:28:35,830 the most statistically improbable story 589 00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:37,510 in classical music history. 590 00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:43,030 Seven siblings, each a virtuoso by almost any definition. 591 00:28:43,030 --> 00:28:50,270 Roll call-- Jeneba, 23, Aminata, 20, Sheku, 26, Braimah, 28, 592 00:28:50,270 --> 00:28:54,710 Isata, 30, Konya, 26, and Mariatu, 17. 593 00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:56,650 The Gretl Von Trapp, as it were. 594 00:29:01,150 --> 00:29:03,200 The Kanneh-Mason siblings have toured 595 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,900 the world, recorded chart-topping albums, 596 00:29:05,900 --> 00:29:07,720 won prestigious awards. 597 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,820 They perform with each other in every combination. 598 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,600 And as we saw at Carnegie Hall two years ago, 599 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,440 the bond between the siblings expresses itself 600 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,620 as a musical banter. 601 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,060 We noticed when you play together, 602 00:29:27,060 --> 00:29:29,400 there really seems to be this unspoken 603 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,240 connection, this telepathy. 604 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200 What is it like playing with a sibling versus accompaniment 605 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,760 you're not related to? 606 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,440 Well, because we're so close, I 607 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,140 think there's a speed at the way that we interact. 608 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,800 And I think that kind of unspoken communication 609 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,900 is just very quick because of how close we are. 610 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,500 Because we would listen to each other playing around the house, 611 00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:02,010 so we know each other's playing very well. 612 00:30:02,010 --> 00:30:04,330 JON WERTHEIM: That dynamic helped the Kanneh-Masons 613 00:30:04,330 --> 00:30:06,450 build a devoted fan base. 614 00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:07,990 I also played cello. 615 00:30:07,990 --> 00:30:10,050 JON WERTHEIM: The diverse young fan base 616 00:30:10,050 --> 00:30:13,490 in a genre desperate for a wider audience. 617 00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:15,770 The overarching question to this whole story 618 00:30:15,770 --> 00:30:19,570 is how do seven siblings achieve this level 619 00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:21,150 of talent and success? 620 00:30:21,150 --> 00:30:23,230 Well, I think that environment is so important, 621 00:30:23,230 --> 00:30:26,530 and because our environment was so intensely musical and loving 622 00:30:26,530 --> 00:30:28,770 and supportive, it was kind of bound 623 00:30:28,770 --> 00:30:30,770 to happen in one way or another, as 624 00:30:30,770 --> 00:30:35,610 in us feeling like we could achieve what we have achieved 625 00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:36,790 on our instruments. 626 00:30:36,790 --> 00:30:40,450 I'm hearing a lot of nurture more than nature. 627 00:30:40,450 --> 00:30:42,670 Yeah, I think that's what we all believe. 628 00:30:42,670 --> 00:30:44,590 I think if there were a nature part, 629 00:30:44,590 --> 00:30:46,630 it would be having that base level of interest. 630 00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:49,930 You can't force a child to like something. 631 00:30:49,930 --> 00:30:52,030 JON WERTHEIM: There was never a grand plan here, 632 00:30:52,030 --> 00:30:53,290 say the parents. 633 00:30:53,290 --> 00:30:56,750 Kadie Kanneh, born in Sierra Leonne, and Stewart Mason, 634 00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:59,930 born in London, had taken music classes in school, 635 00:30:59,930 --> 00:31:01,070 but that's it. 636 00:31:01,070 --> 00:31:02,910 When they started raising kids, music 637 00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:05,470 was just another entry in a packed schedule 638 00:31:05,470 --> 00:31:07,308 of after-school activities. 639 00:31:07,308 --> 00:31:08,850 They went to cricket down the road. 640 00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:09,410 Do you remember? 641 00:31:09,410 --> 00:31:09,950 Oh, gosh, yes. 642 00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:10,870 Lots of football, cricket, karate. 643 00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:11,537 Cricket, yeah. 644 00:31:11,537 --> 00:31:12,662 I'd forgotten, yes, tennis. 645 00:31:12,662 --> 00:31:13,570 Lots of tennis. 646 00:31:13,570 --> 00:31:14,230 Gymnastics. 647 00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:15,398 Gymnastics, yes. 648 00:31:15,398 --> 00:31:17,190 So I think, in the end, what you want to do 649 00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:20,630 is fuel your child's creative juices, really. 650 00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:23,190 It does not sound as though your children 651 00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:25,810 were conceived to have in mind to be musicians. 652 00:31:25,810 --> 00:31:27,190 It sounds like it. 653 00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:29,070 It all happens accidentally, really. 654 00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:31,630 JON WERTHEIM: The eldest, Isata, started on piano 655 00:31:31,630 --> 00:31:33,070 when she was six. 656 00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:36,330 She took to it, and as the Kanneh-Mason clan grew, 657 00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:39,470 the younger siblings, as younger siblings do, 658 00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:42,750 imitated the bigger kids. 659 00:31:42,750 --> 00:31:45,070 A glorious chain reaction. 660 00:31:45,070 --> 00:31:47,250 As to which instruments they chose, 661 00:31:47,250 --> 00:31:49,710 there was healthy competition, perhaps 662 00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:51,890 with a dash of Freud thrown in. 663 00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:58,040 Sheku was saying that he took up cello, in part 664 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,480 because you had the violin, and he wanted 665 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:01,952 to play a bigger instrument. 666 00:32:01,952 --> 00:32:04,160 Yeah, I think that could have been something about, 667 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,180 I think, and it helps. 668 00:32:05,180 --> 00:32:08,120 It's objectively a better instrument so, then. 669 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,360 You're going to take that? 670 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,380 I think the violin is more popular. 671 00:32:11,380 --> 00:32:12,540 There's more repertoire. 672 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,400 JON WERTHEIM: It became clear each also 673 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,440 had talent, blazing, abundant talent, which 674 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,260 Stuart, an executive in the travel industry, 675 00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:28,740 and Kadie, a former English professor, 676 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:30,600 were determined to foster. 677 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,860 It was intense. 678 00:32:31,860 --> 00:32:36,140 The kids attended local public schools, then practiced 3 and 4 679 00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:38,160 hours a day. 680 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,840 All seven were selected for the junior program 681 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,300 at the renowned Royal Academy of Music in London, two 682 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,960 hours each way, every Saturday. 683 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,560 Any extra income went directly to instruments and lessons. 684 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,530 Kadie says that more than once they nearly defaulted 685 00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:56,730 on their mortgage. 686 00:32:56,730 --> 00:32:58,748 Some people might hear the story and say, boy, I 687 00:32:58,748 --> 00:33:00,790 wonder what kind of pressure that must have been. 688 00:33:00,790 --> 00:33:02,810 There must have been a real hot house. 689 00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:03,602 Was it a hot house? 690 00:33:03,602 --> 00:33:05,227 STUART MASON: No, it's not a hot house. 691 00:33:05,227 --> 00:33:07,630 I think it's a house of children who had a love of music. 692 00:33:07,630 --> 00:33:08,790 They did work hard. 693 00:33:08,790 --> 00:33:10,957 KADIE KANNEH: It's an interesting balance, isn't it? 694 00:33:10,957 --> 00:33:13,190 Because they told us, this is what they wanted to do. 695 00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:14,982 So then, we had to be honest and say, well, 696 00:33:14,982 --> 00:33:17,890 if this is what you want to do, then you have to work hard. 697 00:33:17,890 --> 00:33:20,770 Because the reality is, if you want 698 00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:25,125 to be successful at anything, you have to go for it. 699 00:33:25,125 --> 00:33:26,750 But if they said, music's not for me, 700 00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:31,350 I want to be a champion darts player or a florist. 701 00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:33,730 Great. 702 00:33:33,730 --> 00:33:35,530 JON WERTHEIM: As the kids grew, the home 703 00:33:35,530 --> 00:33:38,690 grew into an informal music school. 704 00:33:38,690 --> 00:33:40,570 Every week, they'd all gather for what they 705 00:33:40,570 --> 00:33:42,690 called their Sunday concerts. 706 00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:46,030 Each would play a piece, while the others would give notes. 707 00:33:46,030 --> 00:33:46,830 Put us in the room. 708 00:33:46,830 --> 00:33:48,050 What are those like? 709 00:33:48,050 --> 00:33:50,798 Well, the room was the hallway, usually. 710 00:33:50,798 --> 00:33:52,590 So everyone would be sitting on the stairs, 711 00:33:52,590 --> 00:33:55,375 looking down at the space. 712 00:33:55,375 --> 00:33:56,000 Looking down. 713 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,620 Like gladiator stadium. 714 00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:58,840 At the unlucky performer. 715 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,140 And then we take it in turns and perform. 716 00:34:01,140 --> 00:34:01,580 MARIATU KANNEH-MASON: Yeah. 717 00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:03,122 ISATA KANNEH-MASON: And it's so scary 718 00:34:03,122 --> 00:34:05,100 because you finished performing, and then I 719 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:06,960 was like, who wants to go first? 720 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,420 These were really critical-- these were really helpful 721 00:34:10,420 --> 00:34:11,607 to your growth as musicians. 722 00:34:11,607 --> 00:34:13,940 Yeah, because you have to get used to putting yourself 723 00:34:13,940 --> 00:34:15,040 under that pressure. 724 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,980 Otherwise, you go on stage, and it's so easy 725 00:34:16,980 --> 00:34:18,600 to just crumble under the nerves. 726 00:34:21,420 --> 00:34:24,520 JON WERTHEIM: If mom and dad weren't typical stage parents, 727 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,219 the pressure came instead from one another. 728 00:34:27,219 --> 00:34:30,120 As siblings, they can dispense with the niceties. 729 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,620 They remain each other's toughest critics, most demanding 730 00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:34,820 coaches. 731 00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:38,159 Prepare just as those-- 732 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:39,659 ISATA KANNEH-MASON: I think pressure 733 00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:43,480 comes from knowing the standards in the music world, 734 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,080 and I suppose that's not a negative pressure, 735 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,020 but just a feeling of this is what's required of me. 736 00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:50,920 JON WERTHEIM: In terms of career strategy, 737 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,639 Kadie says the kids have always called the shots, 738 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,120 and it's never been about clicks, likes, or commerce. 739 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,940 We're the Kanneh-Masons. 740 00:34:58,940 --> 00:35:00,360 JON WERTHEIM: In 2015, they agreed 741 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,040 to appear on Britain's Got Talent. 742 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,060 Good exposure. 743 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,760 But only if they can include real classical repertoire rather 744 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,960 than a pop heavy set list. 745 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,200 You surely could have milked this story, the novelty of seven 746 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,020 kids, and shopped a reality show. 747 00:35:24,020 --> 00:35:24,520 Yes. 748 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,520 JON WERTHEIM: How did you make these commercial decisions, what 749 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,580 to pursue and what not. 750 00:35:28,580 --> 00:35:30,455 KADIE KANNEH: Because they did not want that. 751 00:35:30,455 --> 00:35:32,440 They wanted to be classical musicians 752 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,680 and be really good at what they did. 753 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,220 They had their convictions. 754 00:35:36,220 --> 00:35:37,400 Yes, yes. 755 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,960 PRESENTER: Well, here is Sheku Kanneh-Mason. 756 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,380 JON WERTHEIM: From there, the invites and accolades, 757 00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:46,440 you might say, crescendoed. 758 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,530 Sheku won a major British Music Award 759 00:35:49,530 --> 00:35:51,690 and caught the eye of a certain couple 760 00:35:51,690 --> 00:35:54,250 in search of a wedding entertainer. 761 00:35:54,250 --> 00:35:55,890 When he performed at the marriage 762 00:35:55,890 --> 00:35:58,910 of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle in 2018, 763 00:35:58,910 --> 00:36:00,630 the world heard him play. 764 00:36:00,630 --> 00:36:03,938 [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC] 765 00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:11,930 And suddenly, Sheku was a bona fide star, the first cellist 766 00:36:11,930 --> 00:36:15,690 ever to crack the top 10 on the UK album charts. 767 00:36:15,690 --> 00:36:18,850 Here he is, posing for British GQ. 768 00:36:18,850 --> 00:36:21,650 Ironic, because of all the Kanneh-Masons, 769 00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:25,690 Sheku presents as the quietest, perhaps the least comfortable 770 00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:27,690 wearing the cloak of celebrity. 771 00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:29,240 But get a cello in his hand-- 772 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:30,490 Would you mind playing for us? 773 00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:32,130 SHEKU KANEH-MASON: Oh, with pleasure. 774 00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:33,870 JON WERTHEIM: --and he transforms. 775 00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:36,790 [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC] 776 00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:52,340 And draws packed audiences, as we saw in London. 777 00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:55,400 The siblings came out to support, as they try to do, 778 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,720 whenever one of their own takes the stage. 779 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,260 [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC] 780 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:04,240 Sheku's performance quivers with intensity. 781 00:37:07,180 --> 00:37:11,460 Yes, that sweat, glistening on this $3 million 782 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:13,720 Venetian cello he has on loan. 783 00:37:20,100 --> 00:37:21,480 That was phenomenal. 784 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,300 JON WERTHEIM: All seven still perform as a family from time 785 00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,100 to time, but Konya has pivoted, devoting herself 786 00:37:28,100 --> 00:37:29,780 to writing fiction. 787 00:37:29,780 --> 00:37:33,700 Aminata tried out acting school, but music tugged her back, 788 00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:36,560 and she decided to return to conservatory. 789 00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:41,980 Braimah branched out, too, touring 790 00:37:41,980 --> 00:37:44,380 with the dance pop band, Clean Bandit, 791 00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:46,670 before returning to classical. 792 00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:49,210 The youngest, Mariatu, plans to go pro. 793 00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:55,490 As to the four current Kanneh-Mason professionals, 794 00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:58,470 they are busy recording or performing. 795 00:37:58,470 --> 00:38:04,590 This summer, Sheku was down under on tour in Australia. 796 00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:08,870 You've come into the public as this unit, as the Kanneh-Masons. 797 00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:11,350 How do you balance the collective, 798 00:38:11,350 --> 00:38:14,688 with also trying to carve out an identity as individuals? 799 00:38:14,688 --> 00:38:17,230 ISATA KANNEH-MASON: I think it's something that probably gets 800 00:38:17,230 --> 00:38:21,150 easier as you get older, because you start to just get 801 00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:23,670 more confidence and more knowledge about what kind 802 00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:25,170 of things you want to be doing. 803 00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:27,650 And also musically, I think that gets easier. 804 00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:30,450 I mean, we play different instruments with different ages. 805 00:38:30,450 --> 00:38:32,110 We play different repertoire. 806 00:38:32,110 --> 00:38:35,010 JON WERTHEIM: Though there are, well, some strings attached. 807 00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:37,640 Out of all the sisters, we look the most similar. 808 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,890 So a lot of the time people come up to me and be like, 809 00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:42,210 oh, you played so well last night at Carnegie. 810 00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:43,840 And I was like, that wasn't me. 811 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,880 So we tried to do like-- did it happen to you? 812 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,660 A few days ago. 813 00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:48,080 The first time this has ever happened. 814 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,300 No, someone said, oh, I saw you on TV this morning. 815 00:38:50,300 --> 00:38:51,760 I said, no, you didn't. 816 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,800 I was asleep. 817 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,720 JON WERTHEIM: They confess they remain fiercely competitive 818 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:01,560 when, say, apportioning dinner or playing board games. 819 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:02,163 No. 820 00:39:02,163 --> 00:39:04,080 JON WERTHEIM: So we wondered about competition 821 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,760 in their careers. 822 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,065 You should be inspired by those around you. 823 00:39:08,065 --> 00:39:09,440 And if someone is doing something 824 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,940 that you're not able to, I think you 825 00:39:10,940 --> 00:39:13,320 should feel that encouragement and inspiration to want 826 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:13,820 to do that. 827 00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:16,680 But I think as soon as that comparison starts 828 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,005 to become about the external things like, 829 00:39:19,005 --> 00:39:20,880 oh, you're doing this concert, then, I think, 830 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,720 everything can just crumble very quickly, I think. 831 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,420 And I think that kind of rivalry, 832 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:27,240 if you feeling good about yourself 833 00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:30,960 as a musician is based on, haha, you did get this concert 834 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,360 and I did, I think that's a very weak base. 835 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,640 So you'll joke about who got the biggest piece of pizza, 836 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,760 but you guys draw a line, that's not 837 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,680 going to contaminate our music. 838 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,300 We draw the line at music because our instruments are 839 00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:46,120 such an integral part of ourselves, 840 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,680 and it would be deeply attacking the other person. 841 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,660 [INSTRUMENTAL MUSIC] 842 00:39:53,660 --> 00:39:56,260 JON WERTHEIM: Yet another way the Kanneh-Masons maintain 843 00:39:56,260 --> 00:40:03,580 harmony, an orchestra greater than the sum of its parts, 844 00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:06,440 this most remarkable of septets. 845 00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:24,892 ANNOUNCER: For a look at how 60 Minutesreports its stories-- 846 00:40:24,892 --> 00:40:27,100 Yeah, I'm not sure I can get much closer than this. 847 00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,180 ANNOUNCER: --go to 60minutesovertime.com. 848 00:40:34,620 --> 00:40:35,800 I'm Jon Wertheim. 849 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,660 We'll be back next week with another edition of 60 Minutes. 850 00:40:43,190 --> 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