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JON WERTHEIM: Californians
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high-speed train that
was supposed to connect

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LA to San Francisco by 2020.

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Instead, they have this--

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an unfinished line
connecting, wait

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for it, Bakersfield and Merced.

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Why have 20 other countries
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rail, while America hasn't?

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We've heard people
saying what happened

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in the past is the past.

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Failure is not an option.

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Failure is always an option.

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Hersh!

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It's Mama.

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ANDERSON COOPER: Tonight,
the story of a mother

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who would not give up on her
son after he was taken hostage

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by Hamas on October 7, 2023.

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I was always
saying, I love you.

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Stay strong.

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Survive.

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I love you.

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Stay strong.

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Survive.

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I love you.

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You stay strong.

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Survive.

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Was it a command
to you as well?

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Yes.

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BILL WHITAKER: If
you're a rock fan,

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you already know Stewart
Copeland, acclaimed drummer

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for The Police.

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What you may not know is who or
what he's making music with now.

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[MONKEY CHATTERING]

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That's a kookaburra.

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BILL WHITAKER: Hundreds of
animals turned into something

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wild.

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You put an
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and those animals
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I'm Bill Whitaker.

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I'm Jon Wertheim.

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I'm Anderson Cooper.

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I'm Lesley Stahl.

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Those stories tonight
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It's hard to
exaggerate the role

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of the train in
the American story

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or the romance of train travel,
those iron horses galloping down

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rods of steel.

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Why, then, has high-speed rail--
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not tracked in the US?

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As we first reported in April,
an ambitious state-run project

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connecting LA and San Francisco
has lurched, derailed, cost

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billions, and may never happen.

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One private company is
betting that it could succeed

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where the public sector
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has had its bumps.

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As US high-speed rail remains
a mirage, a ghost train,

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it's become a stand-in
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can America get its act together
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The very model of
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it hums across the fruited
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of 200 miles an hour.

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It's revolutionized travel.

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It's a source of
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in Morocco.

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Here in the US, high-speed
rail looks like this,

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hardly passenger-ready.

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America's hopes for its
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were kindled in 2008, when
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a ballot measure for
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Los Angeles to San Francisco
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The estimated price
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Completion date, 2020.

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It would cut pollution,
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clear gridlock.

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Status update-- today, the
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authority is preparing to lay
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the same cost, only, slight
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instead of LA to San Francisco,
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distance, connecting,
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the metropolis of Bakersfield
and Merced, population 99,000.

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Oh, and when will it open?

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2033.

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Maybe.

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VINCE FONG: I think that the
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nightmare is the quintessential
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and mismanagement.

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You say this needs to stop.

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Needs to stop.

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JON WERTHEIM:
Congressman Vince Fong,

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a Republican from Bakersfield,
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He says that when
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approved high-speed rail,
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tag were more marketing campaign
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We're now in 2026.

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There are no trains.

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There's no track laid.

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It's a complete bait and switch.

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If I vote for a mansion in
Malibu by next year and someone

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says, actually, you know
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we're going to have a
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how do things go
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The business plan
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was very theoretical.

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This is what we think
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And it became very
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have the specifics worked out.

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This project--

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JON WERTHEIM: On that point,
management doesn't disagree.

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Toks Omishakin is California's
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and Anthony Williams, a
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Both are relatively new
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for their predecessors.

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There were mistakes made.

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Some of the criticism on this
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What happened?

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I don't think the
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and neither did we
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what it was going to
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JON WERTHEIM: To get the
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from the whole state, the
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to run inland, threatening the
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Yet the rail authority hadn't
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like precisely where it
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what's known as right of way.

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3,000 parcels had to be
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that we're working on today.

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It seems to me one farmer
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going through his field, and
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the works for a long time.

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Yeah, that's what happens
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JON WERTHEIM: More snarl--

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California's exacting
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which triggered all manner of
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As anyone who's renovated a
home knows, delay adds to price.

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So do the high US labor and
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compared to many
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And while the federal
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under the Obama and
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the burden fell
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When construction
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there to complete this rail?

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It wasn't.

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Let's be real.

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We had a lot to learn, and
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And it's arguable
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have been clearer about that.

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JON WERTHEIM: By
2019, costs ballooning

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and the timeline
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bipartisan political
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Newly elected
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said this in his first
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Right now, there
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to get from Sacramento
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let alone from San
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JON WERTHEIM: Under Newsom,
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interview requests,
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to focus on that initial
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a route few clamored for and
fewer are likely to ride,

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though the ultimate goal remains
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When you have a
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and when the budget no longer
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you want it to, you start
cutting off your arms and legs.

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JON WERTHEIM: Lou Thompson
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and, until 2024, sat on
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peer-review group.

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We've heard people
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We've heard people
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in the past is the past.

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Failure is not an option.

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Failure is always an option.

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Is that what's
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No, I don't think so.

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But I think what will
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is that they will cut back
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with the money they
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JON WERTHEIM: Here
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in California's
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of the few signs of concrete
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structures like this.

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Locals here jokingly refer to
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Ideally, these
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will one day be used to support
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but for now, these are
curiosities in a field,

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monuments to promises that
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that haven't been executed.

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Ironic because American rail
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In the 1800s, the US
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of the transcontinental
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stitching the country together
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NARRATOR: We turn to the future.

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JON WERTHEIM: In the 1950s,
the Eisenhower administration

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decided that the transportation
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creating-- and, critically,
continuously funding--

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the interstate highway system--

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NARRATOR: --and the family
cars in tip-top shape.

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JON WERTHEIM: --fueling the
world's proudest car culture.

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Meanwhile, Japan's famous
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and today more than 20 countries
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defined as cruising at
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Yes, Germany, and France
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Turkey, Indonesia.

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Egypt has broken ground.

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The obvious question
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be that we can't get it done
and they can get it done?

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We know we can do this.

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It's an economic engine.

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JON WERTHEIM: Mike Reininger is
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West, a private company that
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Oh, wow.

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Next stop, Zurich.

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It's like a European
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This train, which
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between Miami and
Orlando, hits top speeds

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of around 125 miles an hour.

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Not quite high-speed, but close.

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It's akin to a beta test for
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a bullet train
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Vegas in just over
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can take five hours by car.

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Brightline West will
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first time in the country.

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And we'll operate at speeds of
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JON WERTHEIM: Out
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is solving the
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by running on the median
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Construction has
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of the station structures.

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The plan is to start
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What are you telling people
to get them out of their cars

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or getting them to
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It's more enjoyable.

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It's safer.

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It's reliable.

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This really is all about
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You don't think this car
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It's so hardened
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a part of the American psyche,
it just can't be cracked?

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I don't think so at all.

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JON WERTHEIM: Cultural questions
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trains run at street level
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and according to numbers
compiled by the Miami

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Heraldand local public
radio, more than 200 people

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have been hit and killed by
trains in the near decade

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since operations began.

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Brightline says that
running rail in the desert

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out West, where track crossings
won't be at street level,

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will be a safer proposition.

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Then there are the finances.

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The stratospheric costs of
building and running a rail line

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vastly outstrip revenues.

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Analysts have downgraded
Brightline's debt to junk,

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raising questions about
private rail as a business.

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To what extent,
big picture, do you

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worry about the future financial
viability of Brightline?

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The business has built
slower than we originally

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expected it to build.

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We thought we would be
carrying more passengers today

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than we are.

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The business is, in
fact, growing month

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over month, year over year.

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That's a great thing.

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That solidifies, in our mind,
the viability of the business.

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JON WERTHEIM: Brightline's
west coast project

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has already received
some federal funding

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and is hoping for a $6
billion loan from the Trump

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administration.

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If you look around the
world, for the most part,

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the infrastructure systems are
funded by the public sector.

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You do see a role
for government here?

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Absolutely.

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We welcome it.

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JON WERTHEIM: Back
in California,

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the rail authority
insists state funds

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can cover the cost of
the Central Valley leg.

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As for the rest--

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Just to be clear, as
we speak right now,

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are the funds there to
complete LA to San Francisco?

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The entire amount of money
we need, not there today.

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But do we believe we can
get those funds to get

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the project done?

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Absolutely.

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How much do you estimate
is going to cost to connect

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high-speed rail San
Francisco to LA?

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Today, we estimate, with
the right optimization,

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just over $125 billion.

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I think $126 billion is the
current estimate for that.

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JON WERTHEIM:
That's more funding

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than Amtrak has
received in its history

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and still leaves a shortfall
of roughly $90 billion.

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That's a big gap to fill.

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It is a big gap to
fill, but again, we

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have an understanding of how to
get there and to fill that gap.

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JON WERTHEIM: A
gap the authority

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hopes to fill with a new
plan to cut costs, lure

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private investment, and connect
to bigger cities much sooner.

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But there's another challenge
to building anything today--

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the swirling winds of
a political climate

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in which one party pushes and
the other reflexively pulls.

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Remember Gavin
Newsom's pessimism?

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In recent months, he's
championed the project.

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This is not just a
transportation project.

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This is about reimagining
the future of this region.

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JON WERTHEIM: Meanwhile,
in 2025, President Trump

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canceled $4 billion in
federal grants for the train,

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swiping at a political
nemesis in the process.

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Did you ever hear
of Gavin New-scum?

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That train is the worst
cost overrun I've ever seen.

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JON WERTHEIM: In a
statement to 60 Minutes,

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Secretary of Transportation Sean
Duffy said the administration is

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in favor of high-speed rail,
but this project has, quote,

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"wasted billions in taxpayer
dollars yet delivered nothing."

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Can this be done without help
from the federal government?

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This initial
segment, we believe so.

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The ultimate 494 miles
of building this out

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without the federal government's
help will be challenging.

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There's no doubt about that.

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Is this a nonstarter, to
build a project like this,

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without federal funding?

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Well, not only can't it be
done, it shouldn't be done.

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Because a lot of the
benefits of the project,

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the reason why you
build a project,

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is public-- pollution
reduction, congestion reduction,

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improved safety,
comfort, reliability.

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All of those things
are public benefits.

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JON WERTHEIM: There are other
ideas for US high-speed rail,

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say Dallas to Houston, but
nothing else in the building

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stage, leaving that uneasy,
overarching question.

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Morocco has high-speed
rail, and Serbia and China

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and Japan and Western Europe.

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Why don't we?

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What's your simple answer?

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Well, the simple answer is
they've decided they want to do

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it and pay for it,
and we haven't.

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You think we will
in our lifetimes?

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I don't know.

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I'm dubious.

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Absent a national political
will to work with the states

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to create some of
these systems, I

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think it's going to be im--
and of course my lifetime,

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almost certainly not.

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But maybe yours.

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I don't know.

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[CLOCK TICKING]

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Since Hamas launched a
terror attack on Israel

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nearly three years ago
when the war in Gaza began,

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far too many mothers,
Palestinian and Israeli,

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have lost children.

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This is one mother's story.

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Her name is Rachel
Goldberg-Polin.

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She's an American-Israeli
who moved to Jerusalem

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18 years ago with her husband,
Jon, and their three children.

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Her only son, Hersh, was
badly wounded and taken

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hostage by Hamas on October 7.

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Rachel and Jon worked
tirelessly to bring Hersh

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and the other hostages home.

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But on the 328th day
of his captivity,

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Hersh was executed
in a tunnel in Gaza.

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When we met her
earlier this year,

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Rachel Goldberg-Polin told us
that now, like so many others,

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she's trying to
figure out how to live

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after her child has died.

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To know that your child is
being tortured, tormented,

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starved, abused, is maimed--
and that's an excruciating form

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of suffering.

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And then what's so
fascinating to me

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is that when they came to tell
us that Hersh had been executed,

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then I realized that those 330
days had been the good part,

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because he was alive.

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And now I'm in this place, and
this is the rest of my life.

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How do I walk through this place
without a piece of me here?

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Have you figured that out yet?

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I'm trying to
reunderstand what

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it means to be in this world.

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There are millions of us right
now who have buried children.

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There's nothing unique about me.

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But it creates light for me to
try to give words to the pain.

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ANDERSON COOPER:
What was Hersh like?

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Easy.

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The universe really knew
what it was doing when it said,

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Rachel's going to have one
So this is the one for her.

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I was really blessed.

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ANDERSON COOPER: Hersh and
his best friend, Aner Shapira,

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were at the Nova music
festival near the Gaza border

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on the morning of October 7
when Hamas terrorists attacked.

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They slaughtered 378 people
and wounded hundreds more.

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What do you remember about
the morning of October 7?

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[SIGHS] The sirens started,
and I went and turned

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on my phone.

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And it 8:11, two messages
had come in from Hersh.

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The first one said, I love
you, and the second one said,

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I'm sorry.

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And that was it.

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Everything that had
ever happened in my life

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from the day I was born
until that second was over.

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ANDERSON COOPER:
Hersh sent those texts

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from inside this
bomb shelter crammed

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with more than two dozen people.

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That's Hersh against the wall
and Aner near the entrance.

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RACHEL GOLDBERG-POLIN:
Hamas came to the doorway

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and was throwing
in hand grenades.

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Aner was picking them up
and throwing them out.

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[MUFFLED EXPLOSION]

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Picking them up and
throwing them out.

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[MUFFLED EXPLOSION]

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ANDERSON COOPER:
According to survivors,

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Aner threw back at
least 10 grenades.

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[MUFFLED EXPLOSION]

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When he was killed,
others took his place.

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[MUFFLED EXPLOSION]

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In all, 16 people were
killed in the shelter.

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Hersh survived but was
seriously wounded by a grenade.

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There were four
young men who were not

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able to hide under bodies.

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They were all
wounded, and they were

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taken outside and
put on a pickup truck

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and driven into Gaza.

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And that footage we
saw for the first time

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when we talked with you.

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We spoke on October
16 on CNN, you and Jon.

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Our son, by all
accounts of the witnesses,

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had his left arm blown off.

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ANDERSON COOPER:
When Jon said that,

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I realized I'd seen their
son being kidnapped.

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Four days earlier, at
the Nova festival site,

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Israeli soldiers showed me
this gruesome video recovered

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from a terrorist cell phone.

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MAN: [SPEAKING ARABIC]

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ANDERSON COOPER: That's Hersh
with a bone sticking out

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of his left forearm, being
forced into a pickup truck.

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As soon as we got off, I
said, I need to call you.

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But I still-- to this
day, I am sorry that that

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is how you found out, that
I was the one to tell you

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that there's this video.

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But we were so
thankful, and it

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made us know that he
was taken alive, that he

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walked on his own two feet.

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And we also were really
grateful that you did it

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in such a human way.

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In this sideways world,
when we had the proof

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that he was kidnapped,
that was actually good.

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Time is running
out to save them.

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The time is running
out to save all of us.

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[CHANTING]

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ANDERSON COOPER: Rachel
became, for many,

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the face of the hostage crisis,
meeting the pope, world leaders,

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and giving hundreds
of interviews.

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We want to save Hersh's life.

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We want to save all
of those hostages.

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ANDERSON COOPER: Every day,
she wore a piece of tape.

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On it, she'd written
the number of days

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since Hersh and the other
250 hostages were taken.

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I was always
saying, I love you.

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Stay strong.

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Survive.

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I love you.

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Stay strong.

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Survive.

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I love you.

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Stay strong.

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Survive.

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Was it a command
to you as well?

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RACHEL GOLDBERG-POLIN: Yes.

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Because there were times
when I would just get

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seized with emotional and
psychological and physical pain.

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And I would keel over
onto Jon, and I would just

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say, how much longer?

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How much longer?

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[SPEAKING ARABIC]

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On the 201st day, Hamas
posted this video of Hersh.

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And we see the
stump of his arm.

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It was a propaganda video.

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RACHEL GOLDBERG-POLIN: Yes.

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And that gave us another
bolt of adrenaline.

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Keep going.

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This child needs you.

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Hersh!

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Hersh!

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It's Mama.

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ANDERSON COOPER:
On the 328th day,

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Rachel and Jon joined
other hostage families,

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screaming their loved ones'
names into a microphone towards

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Gaza.

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[INDISTINCT SHOUTING]

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ANDERSON COOPER: Rachel
didn't know it then,

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but that was the day her
son was murdered by Hamas.

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We ended up finding out
they killed him that day.

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And so I wonder, did he hear me?

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Do you think he did?

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I think there are
other ways that you

503
00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:57,030
can hear your parents
screaming for you,

504
00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:59,447
even if you don't hear them.

505
00:21:59,447 --> 00:22:01,530
ANDERSON COOPER: It was
in this underground tunnel

506
00:22:01,530 --> 00:22:05,930
in Rafah on August 31,
2024, Israeli soldiers

507
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:07,810
found Hersh's body.

508
00:22:07,810 --> 00:22:10,970
He and five other hostages
had been executed.

509
00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:14,890
Hersh was shot six
times at close range.

510
00:22:14,890 --> 00:22:17,390
When his body was
brought back to Israel,

511
00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:20,810
thousands lined the streets
and attended his funeral.

512
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:24,190
Finally, my sweet boy,
finally, finally, finally,

513
00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:27,062
finally, you're free.

514
00:22:27,062 --> 00:22:28,770
ANDERSON COOPER: Rachel
and Jon continued

515
00:22:28,770 --> 00:22:31,310
to advocate for the
remaining hostages,

516
00:22:31,310 --> 00:22:34,170
but they were desperate for
details about the last year

517
00:22:34,170 --> 00:22:36,610
of their son's life.

518
00:22:36,610 --> 00:22:41,110
Then, in February 2025,
something remarkable happened.

519
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:44,530
A hostage named Or Levy
was released by Hamas,

520
00:22:44,530 --> 00:22:48,130
along with two others.

521
00:22:48,130 --> 00:22:52,030
When Or was reunited with his
family and three-year-old son,

522
00:22:52,030 --> 00:22:56,090
he learned his wife, Eynav,
was killed on October 7.

523
00:22:56,090 --> 00:22:58,930
He was also told Hersh
had been murdered.

524
00:22:58,930 --> 00:22:59,930
OR LEVY: It broke me.

525
00:22:59,930 --> 00:23:02,070
And I told my
parents right away,

526
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:05,995
I want to meet their parents.

527
00:23:05,995 --> 00:23:07,370
ANDERSON COOPER:
It turned out Or

528
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:10,170
had spent three days
with Hersh in a tunnel,

529
00:23:10,170 --> 00:23:14,250
and he says something Hersh
told him saved his life.

530
00:23:14,250 --> 00:23:18,410
Seeing this guy without
an arm, without a hand,

531
00:23:18,410 --> 00:23:20,950
and you know what he did?

532
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:21,850
He laughed about it.

533
00:23:21,850 --> 00:23:22,847
About his hand?

534
00:23:22,847 --> 00:23:23,430
OR LEVY: Yeah.

535
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:26,450
And he laughed about everything,
and he smiled the entire time.

536
00:23:26,450 --> 00:23:28,010
He wasn't broken?

537
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:29,370
OR LEVY: No, he wasn't.

538
00:23:29,370 --> 00:23:31,530
Hersh kept repeating
this mantra.

539
00:23:31,530 --> 00:23:33,970
"He who has a why
can bear any how."

540
00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:36,690
ANDERSON COOPER: "He who
has a why can bear any how"

541
00:23:36,690 --> 00:23:41,230
is a mantra Hersh got from this
book, Man's Search for Meaning,

542
00:23:41,230 --> 00:23:46,330
a 1946 concentration camp memoir
by a survivor, Viktor Frankl,

543
00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:49,730
who'd adapted a similar
saying by Friedrich Nietzsche.

544
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:51,210
OR LEVY: It became our mantra.

545
00:23:51,210 --> 00:23:52,110
ANDERSON COOPER:
Everybody there?

546
00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:53,070
Everybody there.

547
00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:58,010
That idea that if you have
a why, you can survive--

548
00:23:58,010 --> 00:23:59,810
You can do anything.

549
00:23:59,810 --> 00:24:01,610
ANDERSON COOPER: Soon
after he was freed,

550
00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:05,250
Or got Hersh's mantra
tattooed on his arm.

551
00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:07,650
OR LEVY: My son, he asked
me, what does it say?

552
00:24:07,650 --> 00:24:09,690
He doesn't speak English.

553
00:24:09,690 --> 00:24:12,110
And I just laughed,
and I said, your name.

554
00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:13,460
"Your name"?

555
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:14,820
Because that's your why?

556
00:24:14,820 --> 00:24:16,140
OR LEVY: This is my why.

557
00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:19,740
The only reason why
I survived was him.

558
00:24:19,740 --> 00:24:21,500
What was Hersh's why?

559
00:24:21,500 --> 00:24:24,840
I asked Or that, and he
said-- he went like this.

560
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:25,700
You.

561
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:33,860
It was this shocking,
life-affirming CPR

562
00:24:33,860 --> 00:24:40,540
from beyond to have Hersh,
through Or, telling us,

563
00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:42,080
what's your why going to be?

564
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,640
Because you can bear this,
even this, even losing me.

565
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:46,620
You could do it.

566
00:24:46,620 --> 00:24:49,420
And so part of what I'm
trying so hard to do now

567
00:24:49,420 --> 00:24:52,742
is to figure out,
what is my why?

568
00:24:52,742 --> 00:24:54,700
ANDERSON COOPER: Rachel
was told something else

569
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,900
by Or that gave her
tremendous comfort.

570
00:24:57,900 --> 00:25:00,300
He said, it's
important that you

571
00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:02,700
know that he told me
that my mother spoke

572
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:07,557
to the secretary
of state in the US.

573
00:25:07,557 --> 00:25:08,640
Hersh had told him that?

574
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,737
Yeah, and I said, he heard
on the news I had spoken

575
00:25:11,737 --> 00:25:12,820
to the secretary of state?

576
00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:17,660
And he said, no, he
heard you on the news.

577
00:25:17,660 --> 00:25:23,700
And it was like, all
of a sudden, thank God.

578
00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:29,820
First of all, that he heard
my voice and that he knew.

579
00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:31,220
We are nobodies.

580
00:25:31,220 --> 00:25:33,640
We are absolute nobodies.

581
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,380
I even say the equivalent of
John Doe in the Jewish world

582
00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:40,900
is Rachel Goldberg.

583
00:25:40,900 --> 00:25:43,420
But we tried so hard.

584
00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:45,740
And he knew.

585
00:25:45,740 --> 00:25:47,740
ANDERSON COOPER: When we
met Rachel in Jerusalem

586
00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:51,160
in February, days before
the new war with Iran,

587
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,540
she'd recently finished writing
a book called When We See You

588
00:25:54,540 --> 00:25:57,500
Again,which came out in April.

589
00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:00,960
You wrote in the book, "People
want hope, resilience, recovery,

590
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,480
strength, survival, healing.

591
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,180
They want thriving and rising
from the ashes like the phoenix

592
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:06,480
from the days of yore.

593
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,820
But the pain is chronic,
ever-present, constant, gnawing,

594
00:26:10,820 --> 00:26:14,500
circular, not linear."

595
00:26:14,500 --> 00:26:15,740
That's how it feels?

596
00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:18,180
RACHEL GOLDBERG-POLIN:
That's how it feels now.

597
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:23,820
I'm open to it
feeling different.

598
00:26:23,820 --> 00:26:25,540
Have you noticed a change?

599
00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:30,460
I think my understanding
of grief has changed.

600
00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:33,840
I was dreading and
uncomfortable with grief.

601
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,180
And recently I had this
whole different thought

602
00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:47,700
of maybe grief is actually just
this precious badge of love

603
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:51,220
that you wear because
someone has died

604
00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:53,617
and your love is
continuing to grow.

605
00:26:53,617 --> 00:26:55,700
ANDERSON COOPER: When the
body of the last hostage

606
00:26:55,700 --> 00:26:58,060
was returned this
past January, it

607
00:26:58,060 --> 00:27:02,820
had been 843 days since
the October 7 attack.

608
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:06,140
Rachel and Jon finally took
down the pieces of tape

609
00:27:06,140 --> 00:27:10,980
their family had worn and stuck
on a wall in their apartment.

610
00:27:10,980 --> 00:27:13,220
That's the day
we buried Hersh.

611
00:27:13,220 --> 00:27:21,460
So many lives, so many innocent
lives, on both sides, lost.

612
00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:24,285
ANDERSON COOPER: Rachel has
kept Hersh's room as he left it.

613
00:27:24,285 --> 00:27:25,660
RACHEL GOLDBERG-POLIN:
And that's

614
00:27:25,660 --> 00:27:27,000
the tape that we took down.

615
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:27,640
ANDERSON COOPER: Oh, my gosh.

616
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,020
It's extraordinary to see.

617
00:27:29,020 --> 00:27:32,000
All the pain and everything
that is in that ball.

618
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,180
RACHEL GOLDBERG-POLIN: It's
these symbols of failure.

619
00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:37,800
What we were fighting
for did happen.

620
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,360
We got all of these people
home, not as we wanted.

621
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:44,900
We wanted them home alive,
but they had come home.

622
00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:48,000
You said these are
all symbols of failure.

623
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,120
Do you think you failed?

624
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:49,960
Yeah.

625
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,300
You did more than
anybody could possibly do.

626
00:27:54,300 --> 00:27:56,300
It's true.

627
00:27:56,300 --> 00:28:01,633
And sometimes 100%
is not enough.

628
00:28:01,633 --> 00:28:03,605
[CLOCK TICKING]

629
00:28:12,990 --> 00:28:15,550
If you're a rock and
roll fan, you already

630
00:28:15,550 --> 00:28:17,290
know Stewart Copeland.

631
00:28:17,290 --> 00:28:19,590
Drumming legend
Copeland, Andy Summers,

632
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:23,950
and a guy named Sting romped
to global stardom as The Police

633
00:28:23,950 --> 00:28:25,910
in the 1970s.

634
00:28:25,910 --> 00:28:29,390
So we were intrigued to learn
that Copeland had teamed up

635
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:32,390
with celebrated
naturalist Martyn Stewart

636
00:28:32,390 --> 00:28:35,650
for a pioneering album,
sharing the limelight

637
00:28:35,650 --> 00:28:41,190
not with Sting, but with hyenas,
owls, and howler monkeys.

638
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:43,830
It's called Wild Concerto.

639
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:46,470
As we first reported
in April, the album

640
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:49,150
is based on Martyn
Stewart's life work,

641
00:28:49,150 --> 00:28:52,870
an extraordinary collection of
audio recordings of the world's

642
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:54,390
living creatures.

643
00:28:54,390 --> 00:28:57,670
Some are now extinct
or endangered,

644
00:28:57,670 --> 00:29:02,230
making Wild Concertoas much
a manifesto as a music album.

645
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:04,830
We had to hear more.

646
00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:07,656
[ORCHESTRA MUSIC]

647
00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:12,910
There's really only one way to
start the day at the world's

648
00:29:12,910 --> 00:29:15,290
most famous recording studio.

649
00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:17,550
[ORCHESTRA MUSIC]

650
00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:20,710
Martyn in the flesh, at last.

651
00:29:20,710 --> 00:29:21,730
So great to see you.

652
00:29:21,730 --> 00:29:24,150
We've been so deep
into our mission here.

653
00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:25,590
BILL WHITAKER: Martyn Stewart.

654
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:27,350
Stewart Copeland.

655
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:31,470
This unlikely pair, the quiet
naturalist and the intrepid rock

656
00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:32,130
star--

657
00:29:32,130 --> 00:29:33,930
I hope you have
fun with this music.

658
00:29:33,930 --> 00:29:35,670
BILL WHITAKER: --were
here at Abbey Road

659
00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:38,990
to turn animal sounds
into a concerto,

660
00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:43,590
here in the same studio
the Fab Four made famous.

661
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:45,010
No pressure.

662
00:29:45,010 --> 00:29:48,662
[MUSIC PLAYING]

663
00:29:48,662 --> 00:29:49,870
MARTYN STEWART: Unbelievable.

664
00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:51,950
The history in here is just--

665
00:29:51,950 --> 00:29:54,650
Imagine McCartney running
up and down those stairs.

666
00:29:54,650 --> 00:29:55,870
[BIRDS CALLING ON RECORDING]

667
00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:59,030
This almost makes us Beatles.

668
00:29:59,030 --> 00:30:01,390
BILL WHITAKER: But today,
it's the animal kingdom

669
00:30:01,390 --> 00:30:03,250
that gets its shot at stardom.

670
00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:07,734
[MUSIC PLAYING]

671
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:15,830
It's superstar time for
the wrens, bears, frogs,

672
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:17,410
and hundreds more--

673
00:30:17,410 --> 00:30:18,510
[MONKEY CHATTERING]

674
00:30:18,510 --> 00:30:20,590
That's the kookaburra.

675
00:30:20,590 --> 00:30:22,730
BILL WHITAKER: --while
the humans play backup.

676
00:30:22,730 --> 00:30:25,030
[UPRIGHT BASS PLAYING, PIGEON
COOING ON RECORDING]

677
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:28,190
That's the wonga pigeon.

678
00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:28,970
Even better.

679
00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:29,830
We're good.

680
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:30,710
Brilliant.

681
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:31,730
Let's move on.

682
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:34,150
[BIRDS CHIRPING]

683
00:30:34,150 --> 00:30:37,070
BILL WHITAKER: Wild Concerto
is a groundbreaking album

684
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:42,390
based on the unmatched audio
archive of Martyn Stewart.

685
00:30:42,390 --> 00:30:45,210
He's crisscrossed the
planet for decades,

686
00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:48,830
collecting nearly 100,000
recordings of its wild

687
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:51,750
inhabitants.

688
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:54,030
Stewart Copeland
wrote the music.

689
00:30:54,030 --> 00:30:56,450
When you sent me your
original raw samples--

690
00:30:56,450 --> 00:31:00,630
BILL WHITAKER: All he had to do
was wade through 30,000 hours

691
00:31:00,630 --> 00:31:04,430
of field recordings to choose
which animals would get the star

692
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:05,390
treatment.

693
00:31:05,390 --> 00:31:07,890
The screaming piha
was a natural.

694
00:31:07,890 --> 00:31:10,190
[SCREAMING PIHA CALLING]

695
00:31:10,190 --> 00:31:12,750
There is the bird in question.

696
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:14,810
Here is the orchestral
version of that bird.

697
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:18,768
[ORCHESTRA MUSIC PLAYING]

698
00:31:18,768 --> 00:31:22,230
[SCREAMING PIHA CALLING,
SCREECHING]

699
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:23,213
It's just brilliant.

700
00:31:23,213 --> 00:31:24,630
BILL WHITAKER:
Copeland told us it

701
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:27,150
was the raw sounds of
the animals themselves

702
00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:29,830
that dictated what
instruments he chose.

703
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:33,310
Take this tune by
some Arctic wolves.

704
00:31:33,310 --> 00:31:35,850
First of all, we have
the wolves on their own.

705
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:39,950
[WOLVES BARKING AND WHINING ON
RECORDING]

706
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:41,090
Beautiful, right?

707
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:42,875
Still makes my
hair stand on end.

708
00:31:42,875 --> 00:31:45,250
STEWART COPELAND: OK, let's
hear that with the orchestra.

709
00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:49,646
[ANIMAL CHATTER]

710
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,420
It's a trombone with the wolves.

711
00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:05,160
[WOLVES HOWLING]

712
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,380
They're not actual notes.

713
00:32:06,380 --> 00:32:09,020
But you put an
instrument with them,

714
00:32:09,020 --> 00:32:12,380
and those animals
become Pavarotti.

715
00:32:12,380 --> 00:32:15,250
[ORCHESTRA PLAYING]

716
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,040
BILL WHITAKER: In
the recording studio,

717
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,660
the wolves howled into
the musicians' headsets.

718
00:32:21,660 --> 00:32:25,499
[ANIMALS CHATTER]

719
00:32:30,625 --> 00:32:32,000
STEWART COPELAND:
Yep, we got it.

720
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,320
I'm going to come out
there, kiss and hug

721
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,980
every single one of you.

722
00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:37,340
So pucker up, babies.

723
00:32:37,340 --> 00:32:38,120
[APPLAUSE]

724
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,040
Thank you so much, everybody.

725
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,840
You rock.

726
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,560
One, two, three!

727
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,240
BILL WHITAKER:
Copeland should know.

728
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,200
You may remember his rock star
days when he wielded drumsticks

729
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,320
as if they were lethal weapons.

730
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,800
As one third of The
Police, Copeland

731
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,160
banged his way to the upper
reaches of pop stardom.

732
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,120
(SINGING) Every
breath you take

733
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,600
BILL WHITAKER: The Police sold
more than 75 million records.

734
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,510
(SINGING) And
every vow you break

735
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:09,940
BILL WHITAKER:
Singing along yet?

736
00:33:09,940 --> 00:33:12,640
(SINGING) Roxanne--

737
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,900
BILL WHITAKER: By 1986,
the party was over.

738
00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:17,840
The Police were busted.

739
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,465
(SINGING) You don't
ever wanna to see me again

740
00:33:20,465 --> 00:33:21,840
BILL WHITAKER:
But it didn't take

741
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,080
long before Copeland's
propulsive drumming landed

742
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,000
him a new gig and put
him on a glide path

743
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,560
to becoming a composer.

744
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,800
How did that happen?

745
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,720
I blame Francis Coppola.

746
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,620
It's his fault?

747
00:33:34,620 --> 00:33:35,300
You blame him?

748
00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:36,280
Yes.

749
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,000
His thing is to find the
talent and give them rope.

750
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,160
And he got a drummer
from a rock band

751
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,800
and hired me to score his movie.

752
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,063
Because his concept
was all about rhythm.

753
00:33:48,063 --> 00:33:48,980
This is Rumble Fish?

754
00:33:48,980 --> 00:33:51,200
This is Rumble Fish.

755
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:52,520
MAN: Yeah, that's right.

756
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,160
BILL WHITAKER: Copeland told
us he knew nothing about film

757
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,080
scores, but he knew rhythm.

758
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,480
So he arranged barking dogs,
clacking billiard balls,

759
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,720
and pile drivers
in rhythmic loops,

760
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,400
making music for what
he called "found sound."

761
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,239
[UPBEAT MUSIC, GLASS SHATTERS]

762
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,340
For horror films, this
here is very useful.

763
00:34:15,340 --> 00:34:16,860
BILL WHITAKER: More
movies followed.

764
00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:19,719
[KNOCKING, HIGH-PITCHED WHINE]

765
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,613
Then he started writing
classical music.

766
00:34:22,613 --> 00:34:25,280
This here, it's an opera that
I did with the Deutsche National

767
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Theater in Germany.

768
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,145
BILL WHITAKER: Copeland told
us he'd found a new love--

769
00:34:29,145 --> 00:34:30,520
Because the main
thing you want

770
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,820
to do as a composer is create
parts that are fun to play.

771
00:34:34,820 --> 00:34:36,639
[PERCUSSIVE RHYTHM]

772
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,480
BILL WHITAKER: --as he showed
us around his Los Angeles studio

773
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,960
stuffed with instruments.

774
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,699
He says he noodles around on
the mall when he's composing.

775
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:47,040
[DRUM STING]

776
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,159
The drummer, who had never
followed a sheet of music,

777
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,451
had become a maestro.

778
00:34:52,451 --> 00:34:54,159
You loved the drums
right from the start.

779
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:55,078
Power

780
00:34:55,078 --> 00:34:56,120
BILL WHITAKER: The power.

781
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,840
What is it about the
orchestra you love so much?

782
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,400
It's the beauty.

783
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,800
My daddy raised me to
be a jazz musician.

784
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Meanwhile, just
quietly, my mother

785
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,960
was playing Stravinsky,
Ravel, Debussy.

786
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,280
And that hit me emotionally.

787
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,780
Now I've got [VOCALIZING].

788
00:35:13,780 --> 00:35:15,160
In one ear, I got Jimi Hendrix.

789
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,920
In the other ear, I've
got Igor Stravinsky.

790
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,160
And so they've always
both kind of been there,

791
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,840
interacting in my brain.

792
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,420
We will hear these
sounds in Wild Concerto?

793
00:35:24,420 --> 00:35:25,940
Yeah, as well as all these--

794
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:26,856
[CYMBALS CLANG]

795
00:35:26,856 --> 00:35:28,520
[BIRD SQUAWKING]

796
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,360
And these.

797
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,400
A world away,
different music was

798
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,720
pouring into the ears
of Martyn Stewart.

799
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,760
He's been
eavesdropping on nature

800
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,920
now for more than 60 years.

801
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,040
It started when he was 11.

802
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,400
Armed with a tape
recorder, he'd escaped

803
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,460
to the bluebell woods near
his home in middle England.

804
00:35:47,460 --> 00:35:49,120
[BIRDS CHIRPING]

805
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:50,620
His first recordings?

806
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:52,460
This Eurasian blackbird.

807
00:35:52,460 --> 00:35:54,120
[BIRDS CHIRPING]

808
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,620
What started as a boyhood lark
became a career with a mission.

809
00:35:58,620 --> 00:36:00,470
[BIRD SQUAWKING]

810
00:36:00,470 --> 00:36:02,220
[WIND WHISTLING]

811
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,600
MARTYN STEWART: I always believe
the reason I'm on this planet

812
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,640
is to fight for the animals
and the environment.

813
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,160
And it's kind of my
rent for being here.

814
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,440
I feel empowered to
give that message.

815
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,480
And what is that message?

816
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:21,480
We're losing some of the
most precious species on Earth.

817
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,480
I can go back to
places that have

818
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,580
been monitored over
a period of 20 years,

819
00:36:26,580 --> 00:36:28,880
and the change is significant.

820
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,180
And audio has done that.

821
00:36:30,180 --> 00:36:32,420
Audio is the barometer
of the planet.

822
00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:35,960
If you want to know the health
of the stream or the river,

823
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,540
the dipper will tell you.

824
00:36:37,540 --> 00:36:40,280
The frog will tell you
the health of the marsh.

825
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,700
And the birds will tell you
the health of the planet.

826
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,070
BILL WHITAKER: At
home in Florida,

827
00:36:47,070 --> 00:36:51,490
Stewart told us he still takes
his microphone out every day,

828
00:36:51,490 --> 00:36:53,690
like a doctor with
a stethoscope.

829
00:36:53,690 --> 00:36:55,450
MARTYN STEWART: Watch
the spiders, Bill.

830
00:36:55,450 --> 00:36:59,210
BILL WHITAKER: He listens to the
rhythms of the natural world.

831
00:36:59,210 --> 00:37:02,150
I hear that white
noise of the ocean.

832
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:03,850
[WHOOSHING]

833
00:37:03,850 --> 00:37:05,290
The cicada.

834
00:37:05,290 --> 00:37:06,870
[CICADAS SHRILLING]

835
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:09,490
BILL WHITAKER: These
days, he's deeply worried

836
00:37:09,490 --> 00:37:12,370
about a catastrophic
decline in wildlife

837
00:37:12,370 --> 00:37:16,170
populations around the world.

838
00:37:16,170 --> 00:37:18,410
Stewart has the
last known recording

839
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:23,110
of the golden Panamanian frog,
here in its digital form.

840
00:37:23,110 --> 00:37:26,610
[FROG CHITTERING]

841
00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:30,110
The northern white rhino is
also extinct in the wild.

842
00:37:30,110 --> 00:37:32,002
[RHINO GRUNTING]

843
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:35,770
Other recordings give
no hint of the danger

844
00:37:35,770 --> 00:37:37,850
he overcame to get them.

845
00:37:37,850 --> 00:37:41,150
Here's a howler monkey
spoiling for a fight--

846
00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:42,898
[HOWLER MONKEY BARKING]

847
00:37:43,730 --> 00:37:45,850
--and the crocodile
that swallowed

848
00:37:45,850 --> 00:37:47,470
one of his microphones.

849
00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:49,190
[CROCODILE GRUNTING]

850
00:37:49,690 --> 00:37:51,045
We have the hyenas here.

851
00:37:51,045 --> 00:37:52,670
BILL WHITAKER: Stewart
Copeland told us

852
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:55,150
his favorite animal
was the hyena--

853
00:37:55,150 --> 00:37:56,370
[HYENA BARKING]

854
00:37:56,370 --> 00:38:00,370
--a rare recording from the
Skeleton Coast in Namibia.

855
00:38:00,370 --> 00:38:03,830
Well, they have a
very wide vocabulary.

856
00:38:03,830 --> 00:38:05,390
They make loving sounds.

857
00:38:05,390 --> 00:38:06,830
They make aggressive sounds.

858
00:38:06,830 --> 00:38:08,490
How does the
loving sound sound?

859
00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:10,234
[GRUNTING]

860
00:38:10,734 --> 00:38:11,750
That's Interesting.

861
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:15,850
In fact, I'll share with
you that my wife and I

862
00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:18,690
have adopted the
hyena love sounds

863
00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:21,370
as a part of our relationship.

864
00:38:21,370 --> 00:38:23,710
Little kinky, but works.

865
00:38:23,710 --> 00:38:25,890
[HYENAS LAUGHING]

866
00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:27,630
And then they have
the laughing hyena.

867
00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:28,410
They actually do.

868
00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:31,218
[LAUGHS]

869
00:38:31,218 --> 00:38:34,930
BILL WHITAKER: No surprise,
the hyenas got their own cut

870
00:38:34,930 --> 00:38:37,110
on Wild Concerto.

871
00:38:37,110 --> 00:38:40,838
[ORCHESTRA MUSIC, VOCALIZING]

872
00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:46,610
How did you come up with
a composition that enhanced

873
00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:48,430
the sound of the hyenas?

874
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:51,153
I've asked the Lord above
that question many times.

875
00:38:51,153 --> 00:38:52,070
And what did he say?

876
00:38:52,070 --> 00:38:53,117
He said, I don't know.

877
00:38:53,117 --> 00:38:54,950
Just see if you can
make a living out of it.

878
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:56,170
Just be you.

879
00:38:56,170 --> 00:38:57,510
This is just magic.

880
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:58,810
It's magical.

881
00:38:58,810 --> 00:39:01,570
BILL WHITAKER: Martyn Stewart
told us working at Abbey Road

882
00:39:01,570 --> 00:39:03,490
was a revelation.

883
00:39:03,490 --> 00:39:08,290
He's used to being alone in wild
spaces at the ends of the Earth,

884
00:39:08,290 --> 00:39:11,690
so we wondered what had
made Stewart share his life

885
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:14,090
work with a rock star.

886
00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:17,210
What made you decide to do that?

887
00:39:17,210 --> 00:39:21,050
I'm living with cancer.

888
00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:24,610
It's hard to talk
about that stuff, Bill.

889
00:39:24,610 --> 00:39:26,190
But I got ill.

890
00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:34,070
And my niece Amanda, who
works at the BBC, she said,

891
00:39:34,070 --> 00:39:36,610
we have to preserve
your archive.

892
00:39:36,610 --> 00:39:40,530
You need people to
see what you have.

893
00:39:40,530 --> 00:39:42,890
BILL WHITAKER: Stewart
told us his illness is not

894
00:39:42,890 --> 00:39:45,250
the only crisis
he's dealing with.

895
00:39:45,250 --> 00:39:48,130
He fears more animals
are facing extinction

896
00:39:48,130 --> 00:39:50,450
as the world keeps growing.

897
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:53,810
Part of his audio archive
has become a mausoleum

898
00:39:53,810 --> 00:39:56,370
to past lives.

899
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:59,210
If we keep
stealing from nature,

900
00:39:59,210 --> 00:40:01,570
then the inevitable
is going to happen.

901
00:40:01,570 --> 00:40:03,450
We're going to lose a lot more.

902
00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:05,450
What is the inevitable?

903
00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:07,570
Mass extinction.

904
00:40:07,570 --> 00:40:12,130
When you think about what
we've lost in my lifetime,

905
00:40:12,130 --> 00:40:13,730
there's no change.

906
00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:15,250
It's not slowing down.

907
00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:17,810
And I don't know
how to slow it down.

908
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:20,810
But if you show people
the beauty of something

909
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:22,890
and get them to fall
in love with that,

910
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:24,750
maybe we can tip something.

911
00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:26,270
[INSECTS CHIRPING]

912
00:40:26,770 --> 00:40:30,410
BILL WHITAKER: He says he hopes
Wild Concertowill draw in those

913
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:33,610
who wouldn't otherwise
listen to a screaming piha

914
00:40:33,610 --> 00:40:36,450
or a go-away bird.

915
00:40:36,450 --> 00:40:39,040
Count Copeland
among the converted.

916
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,140
OK, what's the walla,
walla, walla, walla?

917
00:40:41,140 --> 00:40:41,800
Here we go.

918
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:45,660
[PERCUSSIVE MUSIC, ANIMAL
CHATTER]

919
00:40:45,660 --> 00:40:46,500
What's that?

920
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:48,140
Walla, walla, walla.

921
00:40:48,140 --> 00:40:49,580
Which is the
marbled frogmouth.

922
00:40:49,580 --> 00:40:51,040
Marbled frogmouth.

923
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,280
I remember that--

924
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,963
[PERCUSSIVE MUSIC, ANIMAL
CHATTER]

925
00:40:54,963 --> 00:40:56,380
BILL WHITAKER:
Copeland told us he

926
00:40:56,380 --> 00:41:00,940
hopes Wild Concertowill
immortalize those animal songs--

927
00:41:00,940 --> 00:41:04,220
a human tribute,
a heartfelt elegy

928
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:06,440
to Mother Nature's orchestra.

929
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,422
[VIOLIN PLAYING]

930
00:41:08,422 --> 00:41:11,386
[LIVELY WIND INSTRUMENT MELODY]

931
00:41:14,350 --> 00:41:16,320
[BIRD CALLING]

932
00:41:16,820 --> 00:41:18,796
[CLOCK TICKING]

933
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:25,300
ANNOUNCER: Take a tour through
Stewart Copeland's studio.

934
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:27,020
Sting gave me this
little guitar here.

935
00:41:27,020 --> 00:41:28,720
ANNOUNCER: At
60minutesovertime.com.

936
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:30,336
[STRUMS GUITAR]

937
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:36,060
[CLOCK TICKING]

938
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:37,580
I'm Bill Whitaker.

939
00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:42,300
We'll be back next week with
another edition of 60 Minutes.

940
00:41:45,780 --> 00:41:47,540
(SINGING) It's a good time

941
00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:48,540
Join us.

942
00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:50,200
Because we think what, Nate?

943
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,600
There's no better
way to start your day.

944
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,480
What he said.

945
00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:57,200
I'm Tony Dokoupil.

946
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,260
The CBS Evening
Newsis the story

947
00:41:59,260 --> 00:42:01,440
of America one day at a time.

948
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,040
I'm Tony.

949
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,220
While we cover a lot
of ground, we also

950
00:42:04,220 --> 00:42:06,120
stick to the
basics-- what's real.

951
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,160
Do you ever get scared?

952
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:07,500
Yeah.

953
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:08,940
TONY DOKOUPIL: --and
what's important.

954
00:42:08,940 --> 00:42:11,482
I'm just asking you why you're
here and what your message is.

955
00:42:11,482 --> 00:42:14,360
Success for us is not how
much we pack into a show,

956
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,855
but how much you
take away from it.

957
00:42:15,855 --> 00:42:17,980
And we'll always end with
the good stuff, something

958
00:42:17,980 --> 00:42:19,740
to remind you that
there's a lot of life

959
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:21,680
out there beyond the headlines.

960
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:22,580
So join me.

961
00:42:22,580 --> 00:42:25,340
This is the CBS Evening News.

962
00:42:25,340 --> 00:42:26,540
[AUDIO LOGO]

963
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,290
[CLOCK TICKING]