[ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> HELENE IS THE DEADLIEST HURRICANE TO HIT THE U.S. MAINLAND SINCE KATRINA,
PRODUCING TIDAL WAVES OF DAMAGE IN THE MOUNTAIN VALLEYS OF NORTH CAROLINA. >> IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WAS AT
THE OCEAN. >> TONIGHT YOU'LL MEET THE RESILIENT CITIZENS WHO ARE STILL COUNTING THEIR DEAD, HELPING
EACH OTHER CLEAN UP, AND CLEARING UP CONSPIRACY THEORIES >> THE U.S. GOVERNMENT DID NOT GEO-ENGINEER THIS STORM.
[ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> WE HAVE REPORTED ON ALEXEI NAVALNY SINCE 2016. THE FARELESS OPPOSITION NEEDER
TO VLADIMIR PUTIN WAS BEATEN, POISONED, AND THIS YEAR AT AGE 47, HE DIED IN A RUSSIAN PENAL COLONY.
HIS SECRET PRISON DIARIES WILL BE PUBLISHED THIS WEEK AS A MEMOIR. AND HIS WIDOW, YULIA, TALKS
ABOUT HOW SHE IS NOW LEADING THE FIGHT AGAINST PUTIN. >> IT'S A DANGEROUS PLACE TO BE. >> I DON'T CARE AT ALL.
[ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> WANT A WINDOW INTO THIS UPCOMING ELECTION? COME WITH US TO IDYLLIC DOOR
COUNTY. YOU SAID WHOEVER WINS DOORS COUNTY WINS WISCONSIN AND WHOEVER WINS WISCONSIN WINS THE
ELECTION. NOT AN EXAGGERATION. >> WHOEVER WINS DOOR COUNTY IS PROBABLY THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON THIS SPECIAL >>> IN FLORIDA, RESIDENTS ARE ONCE AGAIN BEGINNING THE SLOW
PROCESS OF RECOVERY. MILTON WAS THE SECOND HURRICANE TO TAKE AIM AT THE STATE IN AS MANY WEEKS.
JUST 13 DAYS EARLIER, HURRICANE HELENE HIT FLORIDA, THEN CARVED A 500-MILE PATH OF DESTRUCTION NORTH, KILLING MORE THAN 240
PEOPLE, THE DEADLIEST STORM TO STRIKE THE U.S. MAINLAND SINCE HURRICANE KATRINA. ONE OF THE AREAS HARDEST HIT WAS
WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA, A REGION UNACCUSTOMED TO HURRICANES. RESIDENTS WERE CAUGHT OFF GUARD WITH THE APPALACHIAN MOUNTAIN
RANGE ACTED LIKE A FUNNEL FOR THE REMNANTS OF HELENE, DEVASTATING THE COMMUNITIES BELOW.
TONIGHT, YOU WILL HEAR FROM SURVIVORS AND ABOUT THE ENORMOUS EFFORT TO BRING RELIEF TO NORTH CAROLINA.
>> WITH THE FORCE OF A TIDAL WAVE, WATER TORE DOWN THE APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS, KNOCKED OVER BRIDGES, AND SENT HOMES AND
PEOPLE DOWNSTREAM. WE MADE OUR WAY 45 MILES NORTH OF ASHEVILLE, SNAKING AROUND THE WASHED OUT ROADS AND INTO THE
COMMUNITIES HELENE TRIED TO WIPE OFF THE MOUNTAIN. 2,000 FEET UP, WE SAW WHAT IS LEFT OF GREEN MOUNTAIN, A TOWN
TUCKED ABOVE THE GURGLING NORTH TOW RIVER UNTIL THE REMNANTS OF HELENE CAME ROARING DOWN THE MOUNTAIN WITH ENOUGH POWER TO
SNAP THEIR CONCRETE BRIDGE IN HALF. >> IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU WAS AT THE OCEAN, AND IT LOOKED LIKE
THE OCEAN EXCEPT IT WAS DIRTIER AND MUDDIER. WE SAW A HOUSE FLOAT DOWN. THAT WAY.
IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN THROUGH IT, SOMETHING I NEVER WANT TO SEE AGAIN. AND I PRAY NOBODY HAS TO.
>> JANE WHITSON PETERSON, HER HUSBAND, AND 96-YEAR-OLD MOTHER WERE TRAPPED INSIDE THE GENERAL STORE THE FAMILY HAS RUN FOR
MORE THAN 60 YEARS. SHE TOOK THIS VIDEO FROM THE SECOND FLOOR. >> WE HAD TWO DOORS DOWN THAT
WAY OUTSIDE AND THEN WE HAD THIS BACK ONE. AND WE TRIED TO BLOCK THEM. AND YOU DON'T STOP WATER.
AND IT BUSTED THROUGH THE BACK DOOR, AND THEN IT STARTED COMING IN THE FRONT DOOR. >> WATER IS COMING THROUGH THE
STORE? >> IT COME THREE DIFFERENT WAYS. SO, WHEN WE GOT UP THERE AND WE STOOD ON THE STEPS AND WATCHED
IT COME IN. AND ALL WE COULD DO IS SIT AND WATCH IT AND PRAY THAT IT DIDN'T GET NO HIGHER.
IT CAME UP TO THE SEVENTH STEP. >> THIS IS WHAT THOSE ANSWERED PRAYERS LOOK LIKE TODAY. ONLY THE SKELETON OF THE FAMILY
STORE IS LEFT. THE FATHER'S OLD CASH REGISTER IS CLOGGED WITH MUD, AND HER MOTHER'S HOME WAS DESTROYED.
>> SHE'S 96. SHE'S RAISED SEVEN KIDS AND WORKED 16, 18 HOURS A DAY. IT'S REALLY HARD FOR HER, BUT MY
MOM GOT UP THE NEXT MORNING SINGING. >> SINGING? >> SINGING.
♪ WHEN I'M CALLED UP THERE ♪ >> A HYMN ABOUT HEAVEN. SHE SHARED IT WITH US, SURROUNDED BY WHAT'S LEFT OF HER
HOME ON GREEN MOUNTAIN. ♪ WHEN THE ROAD IS CALLED UP ♪ ♪ I'LL BE THERE ♪ >> FOR SO MANY THIS WAS THEIR
SLICE OF HEAVEN, LIVING IN THE HOLLERS, THE COMMUNITIES BUILT IN THE VALLEYS OF THE APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS.
>> WHAT DO YOU DO NEXT AS A FAMILY? >> WE KEEP GOING. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.
I'VE NOT BEEN A WHOLE LOT OF PLACES, BUT I WOULD NEVER GO NOWHERE ELSE TO LIVE. EVERYBODY KNOWS EVERYBODY.
AND IF YOU NEED A HAND, WE'RE THERE. WE DO ANYTHING WE CAN TO HELP YOU.
>> THIS IS HOME? >> THIS IS HOME. >> I CALL IT GOD'S COUNTRY. I KNOW EVERYBODY SAYS THAT
BECAUSE WHERE THEY LIVE. BUT THIS LITTLE PIECE OF WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA IS JUST -- THE MOUNTAINS ARE JUST -- THEY'RE
MAGICAL. >> JEFF HOWELL'S FAMILY HAS LIVED IN THE AREA FOR SEVEN GENERATIONS.
>> IS THERE A BRIDGE UP THROUGH HERE -- >> HOW IS THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR
YANCEY COUNTY, AN AREA THAT WAS HIT HARD BY HELENE. THE DEVASTATION CAUGHT MOST RESIDENTS BY SURPRISE.
WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA HASN'T SEEN ANYTHING THIS SINCE THE GREAT FLOOD OF 1916, WHEN TWO STORMS CONVERGED AND PUSHED
RIVERS OVER THEIR BANKS. >> IT'S GOING TO HIT THE BULL'S EYE RIGHT HERE. >> FORECASTERS SAY THIS TIME THE
STAGE WAS SET FOR DISASTER WELL BEFORE HELENE ROARED IN. DAYS EARLIER A WEATHER FRONT STALLED OVER THE MOUNTAINS.
SOME AREAS GOT MORE THAN A FOOT OF RAIN. >> WHEN HELENE ARRIVED, THESE MOUNTAINS WERE ALREADY
SATURATED. THERE HAD BEEN THREE DAYS OF RAIN. CREEKS AND STREAMS REROUTED AND
GREW BIGGER AND STRONGER. THERE WAS NOWHERE FOR ALL THAT WATER TO GO BUT DOWN, AND IT TOOK EVERYTHING IN ITS PATH WITH
IT. >> WE STARTED GETTING THE ENTRAPMENTS, THE LANDSLIDE CALLS, AND THE MOST WORRISOME
THING ABOUT IT IS WHEN THE CALLS STOPPED. BECAUSE WE HAD NO RADIO COMMUNICATION.
WE HAD NO CELL PHONE. WE HAD NO INTERNET. YOU COULDN'T TALK TO ANYONE. AND IT WAS -- THAT WAS
TERRIFYING. >> 45 MILES TO THE SOUTH, ASHEVILLE, WHICH SITS IN A VALLEY OF THE BLUE RIDGE
MOUNTAINS, ACTED AS A CATCH BASIN FOR THE WATER THAT FUNNELED DOWN THE APPALACHIANS. >> GET DOWN.
>> TRIGGERING LANDSLIDES ALONG THE WAY. THE TWO RIVERS THAT INTERSECT WITH THE CITY SWELLED TO THE
HIGHEST LEVELS IN HISTORY. THE WATER WAS SO STRONG IT PUSHED HOMES OFF THEIR FOUNDATIONS AND LIFTED A 10,000
POUND TRACTOR-TRAILER INTO THE TREE TOPS. RESCUE CREWS WOUND THROUGH THE CITY ON BOATS.
RADIOS, CELL PHONES, AND THE INTERNET WERE KNOCKED OUT. UP IN YANCEY COUNTY, THEY COULDN'T CALL FOR HELP OR WAIT
FOR IT. >> WE BASICALLY JUST ABANDONED THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. AND OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT,
THEY WERE ALREADY OUT DOING RESCUES. BUT WE WOULD JUST GO IN, GIVE ME ANOTHER NAME.
AND WE'D TAKE OFF AND TRY TO FIND THESE PEOPLE AND GET THEM. >> A LOCAL FIREFIGHTER AND HIS WIFE WERE AMONG THOSE RESCUED.
>> HE AND HIS WIFE WERE ASLEEP IN THEIR HOUSE WHEN THE FLOOD WASHED IT OFF THE FOUNDATION. AND THEY'RE FLOATING DOWN WHERE
THE RIVER BECAME. AND IT SHOVED THEM THROUGH THE WALL OF THEIR HOUSE. THEY HUNG ON TO A TREE FOR TWO
OR THREE HOURS UNTIL THEY WERE FOUND. BUT THEN THE NEXT DAY, HE WAS -- HIS FACE WAS SCRATCHED ALL TO
PIECES, BANDAGED UP. BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF PEOPLE WE HAVE. >> I SAY WE WORK OUR WAY THIS
WAY UP HERE. >> MORE THAN 70 SEARCH AND RESCUE TEAMS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY WERE DISPATCHED TO NORTH
CAROLINA. LOCALS HELPED GUIDE THEM UP THE TREACHEROUS MOUNTAIN TERRAIN TO LOOK FOR SURVIVORS.
FOREST RANGERS AND PARAMEDICS CARRIED A MAN WHO BROKE HIS BACK IN THE LANDSLIDE THREE MILES DOWN A STEEP SLOPE IN THE DARK.
IN THE WEEK AFTER THE STORM, HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE REPORTED MISSING. SOME FAMILIES COULDN'T REACH
THEIR LOVED ONES FOR DAYS. OTHERS COULDN'T REACH THEM AT ALL. DESPERATE TO CONNECT, SOME
PEOPLE POSTED MESSAGES ON THE PORCH OUTSIDE THE HOTEL NUWRAY, A CORNERSTONE OF THE COUNTY FOR NEARLY 200 YEARS.
BOARDS FILLED WITH THE NAMES OF THE MISSING AND HEARTBREAKING UPDATES. WE ARE ALIVE, HOUSE GONE.
>> DINNER'S READY, EVERYBODY. COME ON IN, GUYS. >> THE NUWRAY HAS BEEN FEEDING STORM VICTIMS WARM MEALS EVERY
DAY. >> THIS IS VERY NICE OF YOU GUYS. >> DONATIONS AND RELIEF WORKERS
HAVE POURED IN. FEMA SET UP MORE THAN 40 PROCESSING CENTERS -- >> TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR
ASSISTANCE -- >> -- AND SAYS SO FAR IT HAS DISTRIBUTED MORE THAN $100 MILLION TO NORTH CAROLINA
VICTIMS. AID IS ARRIVING BY HELICOPTERS, EVEN MULES, CARRYING LOADS OF MEDICINE TO AREAS TRUCKS
COULDN'T REACH. MORE THAN 500 ROADS REMAIN CLOSED, AND MORE THAN 100 BRIDGES NEED TO BE REPLACED.
A PATCHWORK OF DUSTY ROUTES NOW HOLDS THE REGION TOGETHER. >> THESE ARE THE TENTS WE GOT FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
>> JEFF HOWELL, WHO FOUGHT WITH THE U.S. ARMY IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, IS NOW TRYING TO GET HELP TO HIS NEIGHBORS.
>> YOU HEAR THE PHRASE, YOU CAN'T GET THERE FROM HERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF THAT. PART OF THE COMMUNITY, IT'S CUT
OFF, AND THEY HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO AROUND THROUGH TENNESSEE TO GET HERE, 60 MILES ONE WAY. >> SO, YOUR TIME IN THE RESERVES
PREPARE YOU FOR THIS? >> IT -- IT DID. IT'S UNLIKE COMBAT STRESS BECAUSE IN COMBAT, YOU CAN SHOOT
BACK. I CAN'T DO ANYTHING. AND THAT'S VERY FRUSTRATING. BUT WHAT I CAN DO IS, YOU KNOW,
WORKING WITH THE PEOPLE AROUND HERE AND KEEP THE MISCOMMUNICATIONS DOWN IS THE BEST THING I CAN DO RIGHT NOW.
BUT THAT'S A STRUGGLE IN ITSELF. >> JEFF HOWELL IS NOW DEALING WITH THE STORM OF DISINFORMATION.
HE TOLD US CONSPIRACY THEORIES AND FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT'S RESPONSE TO THE FLOOD HAVE ALSO MADE THEIR WAY
TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY MAKE IT UP. YOU KNOW, STORIES ABOUT FEMA
SEIZING TRAILERS AND DRAINING TANKERS. WE'RE GOING, THAT'S JUST -- THAT IS REALLY NOT HAPPENING.
>> HOW DOES THAT IMPACT WORKERS ON THE GROUND? >> IT TAKES THEIR FOCUS AWAY FROM WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE
DOING WHEN THEY'RE HAVING TO DEBUNK THIS SORT OF STUFF AND EXPLAIN TO PEOPLE, NO, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT DID NOT GEO-ENGINEER
THIS STORM. BUT, LIKE I SAID, SOME PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOING TO BELIEVE IT NO MATTER WHAT.
>> THE DAY AFTER WE SPOKE TO HOWELL, A NEIGHBORING COUNTY WAS INVESTIGATING REPORTS OF AN ARMED MILITIA, QUOTE, HUNTING
FEMA. ONE ARREST WAS MADE. FEMA SUSPENDED DOOR-TO-DOOR OPERATIONS IN WESTERN NORTH
CAROLINA FOR 48 HOURS. BUT THE AGENCY REPORTS ALL OPERATIONS HAVE RESUMED. THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS STILL
IN NEED OF HELP, A PLACE CURIOUSLY CALLED RELIEF. >> THIS IS OLD POST OFFICE. >> YOU USED TO PLAY IN HERE?
>> WE DID. >> JAMES WARRICK TOLD US THE AREA WAS NAMED AFTER A MEDICINE THE TOWN DOCTOR SOLD IN THE
1800s THAT PROVIDED RELIEF TO ITS PATRONS. THE MAIN INGREDIENT WAS ALCOHOL. WARRICK AND HIS MOTHER, JEWEL,
HAVE LIVED IN THAT SAME DOCTOR'S HOUSE FOR THE PAST 55 YEARS. TODAY IT IS BURIED IN MUD. LESS THAN 1% OF RESIDENTS IN
HARDEST HIT AREAS OF WESTERN NORTH CAROLINA HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE. >> WHAT WAS IT LIKE BEFORE?
>> IT WAS WONDERFUL. IT WAS WONDERFUL. >> JAMES AND JEWEL EVACUATED DAYS BEFORE THE STORM AND SAY
THEY ENCOURAGE THEIR NEIGHBORS TO LEAVE AS WELL. BUT BY THE TIME THEY TRIED, IT WAS TOO LATE.
>> THERE WAS A WALL OF WATER THAT CAME DOWN THE RIVER THAT ENGULFED THIS AREA. AND IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME WALL
OF WATER THAT TOOK OUR NEIGHBORS WITH IT. SO, WE ARE THE ONLY TWO SURVIVING PEOPLE HERE IN RELIEF.
SIX OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE DIED. >> THAT IS WHAT'S LEFT OF THE CAR THE COUPLE NEXT DOOR AND HER TWO YOUNG BOYS TRIED TO ESCAPE
IN. IT WAS CRUSHED BY WATER SO POWERFUL IT TWISTED THE TRAIN TRACKS IN TOWN.
MORE THAN THREE WEEKS AFTER THE STORM, CREWS ARE STILL SEARCHING THE DEBRIS ALONG THE RIVERS. IN NORTH CAROLINA, AT LEAST 125
PEOPLE WERE KILLED BY HEELENE, MORE THAN 50 ARE STILL MISSING. ACROSS THE APPALACHIAN MOUNTAINS, THE ROAD TO RELIEF
WILL BE A LONG ONE. >> I'M STILL IN SHOCK. I MEAN, I CARRY ON AND I LAUGH AND I JOKE.
THERE ARE TIMES I WANT TO CRY. BUT I'VE NOT REALLY LET LOOSE. BUT I HAVE A STRONG FAMILY AND WE HAVE A STRONG COMMUNITY, AND
WE'RE ALL PULLING TOGETHER. >> YOU'LL STAY HERE? >> I THINK SO. THIS IS MOM'S HOME.
>> YEAH. IT'S MY FAMILY'S HOME. THE GIRLS AND JAMES AND THE GRANDCHILDREN.
YEAH. WE'LL SURVIVE. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT GIVING UP. WE CAN'T.
THERE'S HOPE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE HOPE, YOU MOVE ON. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ]
>> HOW DISINFORMATION HAS HAMPERED FEMA'S RECOVERY EFFORTS. >> MISTRUST IN THE GOVERNMENT.
IT CAN IMPACT PEOPLE'
>>> THE DEATH OF ALEXEI NAVALNY IN A RUSSIAN PRISON IN THE ARCTIC IN FEBRUARY SPARKED AN OUTCRY AROUND THE WORLD.
HE WAS COMPARED TO NELSON MANDELA AS A PRISONER OF CONSCIOUS. WHILE BEHIND BARS HE CREATED A
MEMOIR DOCUMENTING HIS THREE-YEAR BATTLE TO SURVIVE THE UNSPEAKABLE PRISON CONDITIONS. THIS IS OUR THIRD STORY ON
NAVALNY, THE FIRST IN 2017, WHEN HE STOOD UP TO VLADIMIR PUTIN BY RUNNING AGAINST HIM FOR PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA.
WHEN HE WAS ARRESTED IN 2021, NAVALNY'S POPULARITY AS THE MOST PROMINENT LEADER OF THE PUTIN OPPOSITION, WAS GROWING.
>> Translator: PUTIN IS A THIEF AND THE HEAD OF AN ENTIRE CORRUPT SYSTEM. >> HE WAS DEFIANT, BRAVE FOR
TAKING ON THE ALL-POWERFUL VLADIMIR PUTIN OUT IN THE OPEN, DENOUNCING HIM AS A GANGSTER. HE REFUSED TO BACK DOWN AND PAID
THE ULTIMATE PRICE. THREE YEARS IN RUSSIAN PRISONS AND THEN THIS YEAR, DEATH AT AGE 47.
HIS WIFE, YULIA, WAONCE HER HUSBAND'S SILENT PARTNER, IS NOW THE LEADER OF HIS OPPOSITION MOVEMENT.
SHE SAYS ALEXI'S MEMOIR, "PATRIOT," REPRESENTS HIS FINAL ACT OF DEFIANCE. >> IT WAS HIS LIFE.
IT WAS HIS EVERY-MINUTE JOB. >> AND NOW HE'S FIGHTING FROM THE GRAVE. >> I WOULD PREFER HE WOULD FIGHT
NOT FROM THE GRAVE. AND OF COURSE IT'S VERY TOUGH FOR ME TO SAY THIS, BUT WE CAN SAY SO.
>> OVER THE SUMMER, A RUSSIAN COURT ISSUED AN ARREST WARRANT FOR HER. >> IT'S A DANGEROUS PLACE TO BE.
>> I DON'T CARE AT ALL. >> YOU'RE NOT AFRAID. >> NO. NOT REALLY.
WHY SHOULD I BE AFRAID? >> THEY COULD KIDNAP YOU. THEY COULD TRY TO POISON YOU. >> THEY COULD.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE AND SPEND MY LIFE EVERY DAY THINKING ABOUT IF THEY KIDNAP ME TODAY OR TOMORROW, IF THEY ARE
GOING TO POISON ME TODAY OR TOMORROW. >> YOU KNOW WHO YOU SOUND LIKE? YOU SOUND LIKE ALEXIE.
HE WOULD SAY THE SAME THING. >> OF COURSE. I'VE BEEN LIVING WITH HIM MORE THAN 25 YEARS.
>> THAT-IN THAT TIME, ALEXEI BECAME AN ACTIVIST AND INVESTIGATOR, POSTING HIS FINDINGS ONLINE ABOUT BRIBES AND
KICKBACKS AND EVIDENCE OF THE WEALTH PUTIN AND HIS CRONIES HAD, AS NAVALNY SAID, STOLEN FROM THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE.
>> YOU'RE GOADING THEM. >> THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO STEAL MY COUNTRY, AND I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH IT.
I'M NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF SPEECHLESS PERSON RIGHT NOW. I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP SILENT.
>> HE CALLED PUTIN A MAD MAN WHO WAS SUCKING THE BLOOD OUT OF RUSSIA, AND MORE INSULTS, AS HE BUILT A PRO DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT,
OPENING OFFICES ALL ACROSS RUSSIA. IT WAS A TIME WHEN OTHER PUTIN OPPONENTS WERE DYING IN
SUSPICIOUS SUICIDES. A CAR BOMBING. DISSIDENT BORIS -- WAS SHOT IN THE OPEN NEAR THE KREMLIN.
AND NAVALNY HIMSELF WAS SUBJECTED TO MULTIPLE ARRESTS AND BEATINGS. AN ATTACK WITH A CAUSTIC
CHEMICAL. AND IN 2020 AN ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT THAT HE RECOUNTS IN THE BEGINNING OF HIS BOOK.
HE WRITES THAT SHORTLY BEFORE HE BOARDED A PLANE IN SIBERIA, HE WAS POISONED WITH A SOVIET ERA MILITARY GRADE NERVE AGENT.
HE COLLAPSED, MOANING IN AGONY, AS HIS BODY BEGAN TO SHUT DOWN. WHILE HE WAS IN A COMA AT A RUSSIAN HOSPITAL, YULIA WAGED A
CAMPAIGN TO PRESSURE PUTIN TO RE RELEASE ALEXEI SO HE COULD FLY TO BERLIN FOR TREATMENT. >> YOU SAID YOU THINK MR. PUTIN
IS RESPONSIBLE. >> I DON'T THINK. I'M SURE THAT HE'S RESPONSIBLE. >> HE SPENT FIVE MONTHS
RECOVERING IN GERMANY. THAT'S WHEN HE STARTED WRITING THE MEMOIR. THEN, IN JANUARY OF 2021, THE
NAVALNYS RETURN TO RUSSIA. WHEN THEY LANDED, THEY WERE MET BY RUSSIAN POLICE. HE WAS ARRESTED, SAID GOOD-BYE
TO HIS WIFE, AND WAS LED AWAY. >> THIS IS A QUESTION YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKED OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
BUT IT'S ALMOST THE ESSENTIAL QUESTION. WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO GO BACK, THE TWO OF YOU?
YOU KNEW THE DANGER, FOR SURE. AND DO YOU REGRET IT NOW? >> YOU ASK ME ABOUT OUR DECISION, LIKE WE WERE SITTING
TOGETHER AND DISCUSSING IF HE NEEDS TO GO BACK OR HE DOESN'T NEED TO GO BACK. IT DIDN'T WORK LIKE THIS.
FROM THE FIRST DAY, THEN I REALIZED THAT HE COULD RECOVER AFTER THIS POISONING. I KNEW THAT HE WOULD GO BACK AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE. >> SO, WASN'T EVEN A DEBATE. >> NO. >> JUST WHEN DO WE GO BACK AS
OPPOSED TO IF. >> OF COURSE I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE ALL MY LIFE WITH MY HUSBAND, BUT AT THAT MOMENT, I
KNEW THAT THERE'S JUST ONE DECISION WHICH HE WOULD TAKE. AND IT WAS HIS DECISION. AND I KNEW HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS
FOR HIM. AND I KNEW THAT HE WOULDN'T BE HAPPY TO LIVE IN EXILE. >> HIS ARREST SPARKED PROTESTS
ACROSS RUSSIA. BUT FAR FROM DISAPPEARING IN PRISON, NAVALNY MANAGED TO MAINTAIN A PRESENCE ON SOCIAL
MEDIA. HOW? WE'VE BEEN ASKED NOT TO SAY. BUT IT ENABLED HIM TO KEEP UP
HIS ATTACKS ON PUTIN. MEANWHILE, HIS TEAM OF INVESTIGATORS RELEASED DRONE FOOTAGE OF WHAT THEY SAID WAS
PUTIN'S BILLION DOLLAR PALACE ON THE BLACK SEA. IT WAS VIEWED MORE THAN 100 MILLION TIMES ON YOUTUBE.
>> IT MUST HAVE DRIVEN PUTIN INSANE. HE LOCKED HIM UP AND HE'S STILL GETTING THE ANTI-PUTIN MESSAGE
OUT. >> THAT'S WHY HIS CONDITIONS WERE WORSE FROM MONTH TO MONTH. >> THOSE CONDITIONS, NAVALNY
WROTE IN HIS DIARIES, INCLUDED SLEEP DEPRIVATION, PUNITIVE SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, ALMOST NO MEDICAL CARE.
AND WHEN NONE OF THAT BROKE HIM, HE WAS SENT REPEATEDLY TO A CONCRETE BLACK HOLE CALLED THE PUNISHMENT CELL, WHERE HE WOULD
REMAIN FOR UP TO 15 DAYS AT A TIME. >> HERE'S HOW HE DESCRIBED IT. HE SAID IT WAS A DOG HOUSE.
AND THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE PRISONERS WERE SENT TO BE TORTURED AND RAPED AND SOMETIMES MURDERED.
I WONDERED HOW YOU READ THOSE PASSAGES. I WAS THINKING OF YOU WHEN I READ IT AND THOUGHT, WHAT IS SHE
FEELING? HOW ARE YOU READING THIS? >> IT'S VERY TOUGH MOMENT TO THINK ABOUT ALL THIS TORTURING
PLACE AND TORTURING CONDITIONS AND ABOUT HIM, HOW HE WAS LAUGHING AT THESE PEOPLE WHILE HE WAS THERE.
>> NAVALNY THOUGHT OF HIS LIFE IN PRISON AS HIS WORK, SURVIVING AND STAYING POSITIVE HIS JOB. I KNOW ONE THING FOR SURE, HE
WROTE, THAT I'M AMONG THE HAPPIEST 1% OF PEOPLE ON THE PLANET, THOSE WHO ABSOLUTELY ADORE THEIR WORK.
I HAVE ENORMOUS SUPPORT FROM THE PEOPLE, AND I MET A WOMAN WITH WHOM I SHARED NOT ONLY LOVE BUT WHO WAS JUST AS OPPOSED AS I AM
TO WHAT IS GOING ON. MAYBE WE WILL SUCCEED, BUT WE HAVE TO TRY. >> HE WROTE MUCH OF THIS BOOK
WHILE HE WAS IN PRISON. HE WAS UNDER CONSTANT SURVEILLANCE, CAMERAS ON HIM ALL THE TIME, AND HE MANAGED TO GET
THE PAGES OUT. >> ALEXEI WAS VERY SMART, VERY INVENTIVE. >> LET ME READ YOU WHAT HE SAYS
IN THE BOOK ABOUT THIS. >> OKAY. >> HE SAYS, I HAD TO DEVISE A WHOLE CLANDESTINE OPERATION TO
BAMBOOZLE THE GUARDS INVOLVING A SUBSTITUTION OF IDENTICAL NOTEBOOKS. AND AFTER THAT WE WENT TO COURT,
WHERE I WAS ABLE PHYSICALLY TO PASS ITEMS TO SOMEONE. >> IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DIARIES FROM
THE FIRST YEAR, FROM THE SECOND YEAR, AND NOT FROM THE THIRD YEAR BECAUSE IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. >> THESE ARE SOME OF THE DIARIES
HE SMUGGLED OUT WHEN HE WENT TO COURT, WHICH WAS OFTEN AS HE WAS TRIED AND CONVICTED SEVERAL TIMES ON VARIOUS PRETEXTS.
AFTER EACH VERDICT, HE WAS MOVED TO A DIFFERENT PRISON WITH HARSHER CONDITIONS. LAST DECEMBER, HE WAS
TRANSFERRED TO THIS PENAL COLONY NORTH OF THE ARCTIC CIRCLE. THIS WOULD BE HIS FINAL COURT APPEARANCE.
HE LOOKED HEALTHY AND IN GOOD SPIRITS, SHARING A LAUGH WITH COURT OFFICIALS. THE VERY NEXT DAY, FEBRUARY 16,
2024, HE WAS DEAD. RUSSIAN OFFICIALS ANNOUNCED LATER THAT THE CAUSE WAS, QUOTE, NOT CRIMINAL IN NATURE AND DUE
TO COMBINED DISEASES. >> IT WAS AT THE TIME THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS OVER A PRISONER SWAP WERE UNDERWAY.
AND ALEXEI MIGHT BE ONE OF THE PRISONERS WHO WAS TO BE RELEASED. >> I REALIZED THAT ALEXEI -- HE
COULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO STAND AGAINST PUTIN. AND ALL THE THINGS, THIS UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S NOT
POSSIBLE TO LET NAVALNY BE FREE. >> YOU POSTED A MESSAGE SHORTLY AFTER HIS DEATH. YOU SAID, BRAVELY, I THOUGHT,
VLADIMIR PUTIN KILLED MY HUSBAND. BY KILLING ALEXEI, PUTIN KILLED HALF OF ME, HALF OF MY HEART,
AND HALF OF MY SOUL. >> THAT'S TRUE. I CAN SAY NOW THE SAME, NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
>> HERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU SAID. YOU POSTED THIS ON X. PLEASE DO NOT FORGET, VLADIMIR
PUTIN IS A MURDERER AND A WAR CRIMINAL. HIS PLACE IS IN PRISON AND NOT SOMEWHERE IN THE HAGUE IN A COZY
CELL WITH A TV BUT IN RUSSIA IN THE SAME TWO BY THREE METER CELL IN WHICH YOU KILLED ALEXEI. >> FOR ME IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
I THINK THAT FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN, HE NEEDS TO BE IN RUSSIAN PRISON TO SEE WHAT NOT JUST MY HUSBAND BUT ALL THE PRISONERS IN RUSSIA.
>> HIS POLITICAL NETWORK INSIDE RUSSIA HAS BEEN CRUSHED. YULIA AND THEIR TWO CHILDREN HAVE BEEN FORCED TO LIVE IN
EXILE. MANY OF HIS OLD TEAM NOW OPERATE OUT OF HERE IN LITHUANIA, AND THREE OF HIS LAWYERS ARE ON
TRIAL IN RUSSIA. >> I'M SO HAPPY YOU'RE HERE. >> AND YULIA IS CONSTANTLY ON THE ROAD LOBBYING WESTERN
LEADERS TO STAND UP TO PUTIN. >> SO, THE QUESTION IS INEVITABLE, PAINFUL BUT INEVITABLE.
HAS PUTIN WON? HAS HE SHUT DOWN THE OPPOSITION TO SUCH AN EXTENT THAT IT'S OVER?
>> BUT IT'S NOT FINISHED. WE CONTINUE THE FIGHT. HE STILL HAS MILLIONS OF SUPPORT ES.
E ERS. YOU CAN SEE BY HOW MANY PEOPLE GO EVERY DAY TO HIS GRAVE, HOW
MANY FLOWERS ON HIS GRAVE. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> FOR ALL THE POLARIZATION IN
AMERICAN POLITICS, EVERYONE CAN AGREE THAT SEVEN STATES HOLD THE KEY TO NEXT MONTH'S ELECTION. THESE SWING STATES CONTAIN A
TOTAL OF 513 COUNTIES. AND AMONG THEM, ONLY ONE HAS VOTED FOR THE WINNING CANDIDATE IN EVERY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION
THIS CENTURY. DOOR COUNTY, WISCONSIN, OFFERS A DISTINCT SHADE OF PURPLE, UNENCUMBERED BY TRIBAL
LOYALTIES, THE CITIZENRY IS WHIPSAWED FROM GEORGE W. BUSH TWICE TO BARACK OBAMA TWICE TO DONALD TRUMP AND THEN TO JOE
BIDEN. CONSIDER DOOR A WINDOW INTO THIS CRITICAL ELECTION. FEVERISHLY DONALD TRUMP AND
KAMALA HARRIS HAVE BEEN CAMPAIGNING IN SWING STATES, ESPECIALLY WISCONSIN. BUT NEITHER HAS VISITED
AMERICA'S SWINGIEST COUNTY, SO WE DECIDED TO. >> THE WISCONSIN TOURISM BOARD COULD DO WORSE THAN TO ANCHOR
ITS NEXT MARKETING CAMPAIGN IN DOOR COUNTY. THE PENINSULA WEDGED BETWEEN LAKE MICHIGAN AND GREEN BAY, THE
WATER, NOT THE HOME OF THE PACKERS. NICKNAMED THE CAPE COD OF THE WEST, DOOR COUNTY AND ITS
COASTLINE COME EMBROIDERED WITH LIMESTONE CLIFFS, TREES THAT BLAZE TO LIFE IN THE FALL, AND ENDURING TRADITIONS LIKE THE
FISH BOIL. THE POPULATION, 30,000. AND NO ONE KNOWS MORE OF THE LOCALS THAN 84-YEAR-OLD NIELS
WEBORG, LONG TIME FIRE CHIEF. >> TELL ME ABOUT DOOR COUNTY. >> HOW FAR DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK?
MY RELEVANTS LANDED HERE IN 1851 FROM NORWAY. >> WEBORG HAS A UNIQUE WAY OF PLACING DOOR COUNTY ON THE MAP.
>> UP THE SUN, GREEN BAY IS DOWN HERE, MILWAUKEE IS DOWN HERE, AND WE'RE DOWN HERE ON THE PENINSULA.
>> SO WE'VE GOT A BAY SIDE AND A LAKE MICHIGAN SIDE. >> THERE YOU GO. >> TELL ME POLITICALLY WHAT ARE
PEOPLE LIKE? >> POLITICALLY WE WERE STRICTLY REPUBLICANS. >> BUT THEN THE TRANSPLANTS CAME
AND NOW DOOR COUNTY IS THE ULTIMATE POLITICAL WEATHER VANE. IN 2020 JOE BIDEN CARRIED DOOR COUNTY BY 292 VOTES, THE
TIGHTEST MARGIN IN ANY WISCONSIN COUNTY. >> IT'S NOT JUST THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS.
IT'S VIRTUALLY EVERY STATE-WIDE ELECTION, WE SEEM TO PICK THE WINNER. IT'S KIND OF WEIRD.
>> REPUBLICAN JOEL KITCHENS REPRESENTS DOOR COUNTY IN THE STATE ASSEMBLY. >> WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THAT
TO? >> I THINK A LOT OF IT IS WE ARE SUCH A CROSS SECTION OF THE STATE THAT WE HAVE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME HERE FROM THE CITIES AND SUBURBS AND RETIRED. WE HAVE A STRONG AGRICULTURE
COMMUNITY. WE HAVE HEAVY MANUFACTURING. THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY HERE BUT THERE ARE ALSO A LOT OF PEOPLE
THAT ARE REALLY STRUGGLING AS WELL. >> ON OUR ROAD TRIP THROUGH DOOR COUNTY LAST WEEK, WE SAW THIS
FIRST HAND. THE COUNTY IS 92% WHITE BUT POLITICALLY DIVERSE. IN THE RURAL SOUTH, ABUNDANT
SIGNS FOR DONALD TRUMP AND TOWERING SILOS. 25-YEAR-OLD AUSTIN VANDERTIE IS A SIXTH GENERATION DAIRY FARMER.
>> WHEN YOU GO INTO THAT VOTING FIRST TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER, WHAT IS THE ONE ISSUE THAT'S MOST GOING TO IMPACT HOW YOU VOTE?
>> INFLATION. YOU KNOW, INFLATION AFFECTS THE COST OF MY FEED, MY FUEL, MY SEED, MY FERTILIZER, EVERYTHING
THAT IT TAKES FOR ME TO GROW A CROP AND FEED IT TO MY COWS TO GET A GOOD PRODUCT. >> LIKE MANY OF HIS NEIGHBORS,
VANDERTIE IS VOTING FOR TRUMP. AS WE HEAD NORKTH -- NEAR THE TP OF THE THUMB IN DOOR COUNTY IN THE TOURIST TOWN OF SISTER BAY,
WHERE RED GIVES GROUND TO BLUE, WE MET EMMA COX, WHO RUNS KINDGOODS, A NEW AGE BOUTIQUE. >> FOR THIS ELECTION, WHAT IS
GOING TO BE THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT? >> I THINK THE ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN DRIVING THE WORK OF
ACTIVISM I'VE BEEN DOING THE LAST TWO YEARS AS BEEN REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. >> CHARMING AS HER POCKET OF
AMERICA MIGHT BE, SHE UNDERSTANDS DOOR COUNTY MAY BE THE LEADING INDICATOR IN THIS MOST CONTENTIOUS ELECTION.
>> IT FEELS LIKE ALL EYES ARE ON US. ALL EYES ARE ON WISCONSIN. ALL EYES HAVE BEEN ON DOOR
COUNTY. AND IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S PRESSURE FOR US TO DELIVER. >> AS MUCH AS YOU CAN HAVE A
BELLWETHER TOWN WITHIN A BELLWETHER COUNTY, STURGEON BAY IS DOORS, GRAVITATIONAL, AND POLITICAL CENTER.
SHIPBUILDING IS THE BIG INDUSTRY HERE. SENSIBILITIES VARY FROM ONE YARD TO THE NEXT.
EVEN THE ANIMALS GET INTO THE ACT. >> TELL ME WHO WE HAVE HERE? >> THIS IS ZIVA.
SHE'S OUR DOG FOR DEMOCRACY. >> WE MET ZIVA AS WELL AS HER OWNERS, JOHN AND ANNETTE VINCENT, WHO ORGANIZED A POP-UP
RALLY. FLANKING BOTH SIDES OF THE MAIN DRAG IN STURGEON BAY, DRUMMING UP SUPPORT FOR THE DEMOCRATIC
TICKET. AND THIS IS WHERE SHABBY STEREOTYPES COME TO DIE. >> I SAW TRUMP WITH A GUN WRACK
HONK AND I SAW A PRIUS GO BY. >> ISN'T THAT INTERESTING? >> IT'S MORE THAN JUST KWENS COINCIDENTAL.
WE'RE SO ON THE EDGE. >> HERE COMES A TRUCK. >> PURPLE. >> WE ARE VERY PURPLE.
THAT IS OUR IMPRESSION FOR MOVING UP HERE. WE ARE VERY, VERY PURPLE. >> NOW RETIRED, THEY RELOCATED
FROM CHICAGO. THEY COME THREE DAYS A WEEK NOT JUST TO RALLY BUT TO GAUGE THE POLITICAL WIND SWIRLING OFF THE
BAY. >> WHAT'S A POSITIVE RESPONSE LOOK LIKE? >> POSITIVE RESPONSE CAN BE
ANYTHING FROM JUST A NOD OF THE HEAD TO A ENTHUSIASTIC WAVE, A HORN HONK, A SOLID HORN HONK. >> YOU HAVE DATA ON RAISED
THUMBS VERSUS RAISED MIDDLE FINGERS. >> I WOULD SAY I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SAMPLE SIZE.
AND WE RUN WELL OVER 80% POSITIVE TO THE NEGATIVE. >> FOR MORE SCIENTIFIC ASSESSMENT OF THE ENTIRE STATE
OF WISCONSIN, WE TURN TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE MARKET LAWSUIT POLL. HIS POLL HAS KAMALA HARRIS UP
FOUR. BUT NOT SO FAST. >> WHAT IS IT LIKE BEING A POLLSTER THESE DAYS?
>> IT'S CHALLENGING BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN POLLING ERRORS IN 2016 AND 2020, AND THOSE WERE MAJOR ISSUES.
>> MEMORABLY IN 2016 AND 2020, MOST POLLS, CBS INCLUDED, FELL SHORT WHEN ACCOUNTING FOR THE TRUMP VOTE.
>> THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC, PARTICULAR TO TRUMP THAT MAKES HIS SUPPORT HARD TO CAPTURE. >> IN THESE FOUR MOST RECENT
ELECTIONS, THE TWO BIG ERRORS HAVE BOTH COME WHEN TRUMP'S ON THE BALLOT AND THE TWO ELECTIONS WITHOUT HIM ON THE BALLOT, WE'VE
BEEN AS GOOD OR BETTER THAN OUR LONG-TERM AVERAGE. >> SAY MORE ABOUT WHY YOU THINK THAT IS.
>> THE PEOPLE THAT TRUMP MOBILIZES TO VOTE REALLY DO TURN OUT FOR HIM. BUT THEY SEEM TO DROP OUT OF THE
ELECTORATE IN THE MIDTERM. MY SUSPENSION IS IT KEEPS THE KAMALA HARRIS CAMPAIGN UP ALL NIGHT LONG THAT THERE IS THIS
COHORT THAT HASN'T BEEN CAPTURABLE. >> CORRECT. >> BRIAN SCHIMMING IS SHAKING
THE TREES TO IDENTIFY THOSE HIDDEN TRUMP VOTERS AND CRUCIALLY GET THEM TO THE POLLS. >> HOW MANY POTENTIAL TRUMP
SUPPORTERS ARE THERE IN WISCONSIN WHO HAVE NEVER VOTED BEFORE? >> WELL, I SPOKE AT PRESIDENT
TRUMP'S RALLY THE OTHER DAY. AND I SAID TO THE FOLKS THERE, LOOK, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS
STATE WHO THINK LIKE US. THEY ACT LIKE US. THEY LIVE LIKE US. THEY BELIEVE LIKE US.
BUT THEY DON'T VOTE. AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT. >> IS IT RISKY TO RELY ON THIS SECTOR OF THESE LOW PROPENSITY
VOTER WHO IS HAVE BEEN RELIABLE IN THE PAST. >> IT'S RISKY NOT TO. >> MAKE SURE THEY GET OUT TO
VOTE. >> FOR THE DEMOCRATS, THE STRATEGY ENTAILS RUNNING UP THE NUMBERS IN MILWAUKEE AND BOOMING
DANE COUNTY, HOME TO MADISON, THE STATE CAPITAL AND THE UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN, WHERE BIDEN WON MORE THAN 75% OF THE
VOTE IN 2020. MEANWHILE, THEY'LL TRY TO -- THE BLEEDING IN RURAL SWATHS THAT SWUNG HEAVILY TOWARD TRUMP.
BEN WIKLER, STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHAIR, THINKS IT'S A COMPLETE JUMP BALL RIGHT NOW FOR WISCONSIN'S 10 ELECTORAL VOTES.
>> SO, ON ELECTION NIGHT EXPECT TO STAY UP VERY LATE. AND WHEN YOU FIND OUT WHO WON WISCONSIN, WHICH MIGHT HAPPEN AT
4:00 IN THE MORNING, YOU PROBABLY KNOW WHO WON THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. >> IT'S THAT PIVOTAL.
>> WISCONSIN WAS THE STATE THAT TIPPED THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE FOR DONALD TRUMP IN 2016. THERE IS EVERY POSSIBILITY THAT
WISCONSIN COULD TIP THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AGAIN IN 2024. >> WISCONSIN WAS DECIDED BY LESS
THAN 1% IN THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS. BUT GET THIS. AROUND 80% OF THE STATE'S
COUNTIES WERE DECIDED BY A DOUBLE DIGIT MARGIN, WHICH ONLY MAGNIFIES DOOR COUNTY'S UNCANNY DISTINCTION.
>> I THINK IN DOOR COUNTY, THIS ELECTION'S ALMOST PERFECTLY TIED AS WELL. I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THE COUNTY
BY COUNTY DATA BEFORE I JOINED YOU TODAY. WHOEVER WINS DOOR COUNTY ON ELECTION DAY PROBABLY WINS THE
STATE OF WISCONSIN YET AGAIN. >> YOU SAY WHOEVER WINS DOOR COUNTY LIKELY WINS WISCONSIN. YOU ALSO SAID WHOEVER WINS
WISCONSIN LIKELY WINS THE NATIONAL ELECTION. NOT AN EXAGGERATION. DOOR COUNTY WISCONSIN --
>> HISTORICALLY THE CASE, WHOEVER WINS IN ODOOR COUNTY IS PROBABLY THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
>> IT GOT US THINKING IS THERE ONE PERSON IN DOOR COUNTY WHO'S ACTUALLY PICKED THE WINNING CANDIDATE IN EACH OF THE LAST
SIX PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. THE COUNTY DID COLLECTIVELY, BUT DID ANY SINGLE VOTER. IF SO, FINDING THIS MYSTERY
THINKER MIGHT PROVIDE A HECK OF A CLUE INTO HOW THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WILL GO. SO, WE WENT ON A SEARCH.
>> THIS IS YOUR 5:00 NEWS FROM THE DOOR COUNTY DAILY NEWS. >> WE STARTED WITH AN APV AT THE LOCAL RADIO STATION.
>> IF YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW IN DOOR COUNTY HAS VOTED FOR THE WINNER OF EVERY PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION GOING BACK TO 2000.
>> BUT NO RESPONSE. BEST KNOWN FOR THE GOATS THAT GRAZE ON THE GRASS ROOF. INSIDE WE BEAT THE SUN AND CAN
THE TOURISTS LET THEMSELVES IN THE BACK DOOR AND POUR THEIR OWN COFFEE. >> DO YOU KNOW ANYONE THAT'S
VOTED FOR PRESIDENT SIX STRAIGHT YEARS NOW AND GOTTEN IT RIGHT? >> NO. >> NO.
>> WE WERE TOLD TO GO TO ANOTHER TABLE AND ASK THE GUY IN THE HAT. >> WE GOT A HOT TIP.
>> I GOT SOME OF THEM. GEORGE H.W. WAS MY VOTE BUT NOT HIS SON. >> NEXT UP, THE LOCAL WATERING
HOLE. >> YOU KNOW THAT PERSON? >> I'M OUT. >> YOU HAVE YOUR WORK CUT OUT
FOR YOU. >> THEN SUDDENLY, A PROMISING LEAD. >> I THINK YOU FOUND YOUR VOTER.
>> SERIOUSLY? > RIGHT OVER THERE. >> THERE AT THE END OF THE BAR SITTING BEFORE SOMETHING CALLED
A BADGER MELT AND A TALL GLASS OF MILK, TRUCKER JOE CON LYNN. >> BUSH, BUSH, OBAMA, OBAMA, TRUMP, BIDEN.
>> FIVE OUT OF SIX. >> FIVE OUT OF SIX. I ASK YOU HOW YOU'RE GOING TO BE VOTING THIS YEAR.
>> I THINK I'M GOING TO BE VOTING FOR TRUMP AGAIN. >> THREE TIMES IN A ROW. >> YES.
>> WE COME AGONIZINGLY CLOSE. >> 898. >> OUR LAST STOP, THE ROTARY CLUB OF STURGEON BAY.
>> I'M CURIOUS. DOES ANYONE KNOW SOMEONE, A VOTER, WHO ACTUALLY VOTED FOR THE WINNING CANDIDATE ALL SIX
YEARS? ANYONE? >> OH. I THINK I DID.
>> YOU DID? I THINK I DID. >> BEHOLD. OUR DOOR COUNTY UNICORN.
>> NO, NO. NO, I DIDN'T NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT. >> I THOUGHT YOU HAD ALL SIX.
>> I THOUGHT I DID. BUT NOW I'M THINKING BACK. I DIDN'T. >> AFTER SCOURING DOOR COUNTY,
WE CAME UP EMPTY, WHICH SHOWS THE IMPROBABILITY OF IT ALL. BUT IN OUR QUEST, MAYBE WE STUMBLED ACROSS SOMETHING EVEN
MORE RARE. WE FOUND A PLACE IN AMERICA WHERE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY OUTRANK PARTY LOYALTY.
IN THIS DIVISIVE ELECTION SEASON, WE CAME TO AMERICA'S ULTIMATE BATTLEGROUND, EXCEPT THERE WAS NO BATTLE.
AS THEY SAY HERE WITH PRIDE, WE LIVE ABOVE THE TENSION LINE. >> WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF HOW THE TONE IN DOOR COUNTY COMPARES TO
THE TONE NATIONALLY? >> YOU DON'T WANT TO ALIENATE YOUR NEIGHBORS. YOU DON'T WANT TO ALIENATE YOUR
FELLOW BUSINESS OWNERS. YOU ALL COME TOGETHER. >> DO YOU HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO VOTE
DIFFERENTLY FROM YOU? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. >> EVERYONE INVITED TO THANKSGIVING REGARDLESS?
>> ABSOLUTELY. POLITICS IS -- YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT, THAT MEANS IT'S GONE WAY TOO FAR IN THE
WRONG DIRECTION. >> YOU RECOGNIZE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE VIBE IN THE COUNTRY AT LARGE.
>> WE'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN WISCONSIN I GUESS. WE'VE GOT THAT MIDWEST NICE GOING ON.
>> IN KEEPING WITH THE UNDULATIONS OF HIGHWAY 42, IN DOOR COUNTY, WISCONSIN, YOU SWING BACK AND FORTH AND
CONTINUE ON DOWN THE ROAD. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> "THE LAST MINUTE" OF "60
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"60 MINUTES" ISN'T THE LAST WORD OF OUR BROADCAST. COMING UP ON THIS EXPANDED 90-MINUTE EDITION, WE'LL TELL
YOU ABOUT A TRAGIC YET LITTLE KNOWN WORLD WAR II STORY, THE BOMBING OF THE CAP ARCONA, AN OCEAN LINER PACKED WITH
CONCENTRATION CAMP PRISONERS. GERMANY'S BALTIC DAY LOOKS IDYLLIC, BUT THIS BEAUTY MASKS AN UNTHINKABLE HORROR, ONE
THAT'S ETCHED ON THIS BEACH SIDE MARKER BEARING THE NAME CAP ARCONA, AND THE GERMAN WORDS FOR FEAR, PANIC, AND GRIEF.
>> IT'S SO CALM, SO CONTROLLED, AND YET OUT THERE IS A GRAVEYARD. YOU CAN COME TO A PLACE LIKE
THIS AND JUST FEEL THE WEIGHT OF HISTORY. >> THAT IMPORTANT HISTORY LESSON TOLD MY
>>> EVERYONE KNOWS THE STORY OF THE TITANIC, THE OPULENT BRITISH OCEAN LINER THAT STRUCK AN ICEBERG AND SANK.
BUT IT'S LIKELY YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THE CAP ARCONA, A GERMAN VERSION OF THE TITANIC. BEFORE WORLD WAR II, THE VESSEL
WAS A CRUISE SHIP FOR THE WELL TO DO. BY THE END OF THE WAR, THE NAZIS HAD TRANSFORMED IT INTO A
FLOATING CONCENTRATION CAMP. BACKED WITH PRISONERS, THE CAP ARCONA WAS ANCHORED IN THE BALTIC SEA WHEN AN AERIAL ATTACK
JUST HOURS BEFORE LIBERATION KILLED NEARLY EVERYONE ON BOARD. THE SHIP'S IMPROBABLE JOURNEY FROM LUXURY LINER TO DEATH TRAP
IS ONE OF THE MOST HORRIFIC AND LITTLE-KNOWN WAR STORIES WE HAVE ENCOUNTERED. ON SUN LIT DAYS, GERMANY'S
BALTIC COAST LOOKS IDYLLIC. BUT THIS BEAUTY MASKS AN UNTHINKABLE HORROR, ONE THAT'S ETCHED IN THE LOCAL MEMORY AND
ON THIS BEACHSIDE MARKER BEARING THE NAME CAP ARCONA AND THE GERMAN WORDS FOR FEAR, PANIC, AND GRIEF.
>> IT'S SO PALM, SO PEACEFUL, AND YET OUT THERE IS A GRAVEYARD. YOU CAN COME TO A PLACE LIKE
THIS AND JUST FEEL THE WEIGHT OF THE HISTORY. >> BRITISH HISTORIAN BILL NIVEN HAS SPENT MUCH OF HIS CAREER
STUDYING THE HOLOCAUST. WE MET HIM AT LUBECK BAY, WHERE THE MEMORY OF THE CAP ARCONA AND A SMALLER CARGO SHIP STILL
HAUNTS THIS SHORE. >> WHAT IS THIS PLACE? >> THIS IS A MEMORIAL TO THE VICTIMS OF THE TWO SHIPS THAT
WENT DOWN. WE LOST SOME 7,000 LIVES. IT RECALLS ALL THE NATIONALITIES THAT WERE VICTIMS OF THE SINKING
OF THE SHIPS. >> THERE WERE AMERICANS ON THE SHIPS. >> YES.
THERE WERE GREEKS. THERE WERE ITALIANS. AND THE JEWISH PEOPLE OF COURSE REPRESENTED HERE BY THE STAR OF
DAVID. >> MOST OF THE VICTIMS WERE ON THE CAP ARCONA. EVERY YEAR ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF
THE ATTACK, A SOMBER CEREMONY IS HELD AT THIS SITE TO REMEMBER THOSE WHO PERISHED AND THOSE WHO SUFFERED.
>> MY FATHER WAS ONE OF THE SURVIVORS OF THE SURVIVORS OF THE SINKING OF THE CAP ARCONA.
>> BRUNO NEURATH-WILSON CAME TO HONOR HIS FATHER. ONLY ABOUT 400 PRISONERS SURVIVED THE ATTACK, INCLUDING
BRUNO'S FATHER. >> WHAT'S IT LIKE FOR YOU TO BE IN THIS PLACE? >> WHEN WE GO TO THE PLACE WHERE
THE CAP ARCONA SANK, I TRY TO IMAGINE WHAT HAPPENED. I REALLY CANNOT IMAGINE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE SHIP.
>> NO ONE COULD HAVE IMAGINED THIS END FOR THE CAP ARCONA. LAUNCHED WITH GREAT FANFARE IN 1927, THE SHIP BECAME KNOWN AS
THE QUEEN OF THE ATLANTIC, TRANSPORTING WELL-HEELED PASSENGERS FROM EUROPE TO SOUTH AMERICA IN TWO WEEKS.
>> WHAT WAS IT LIKE IN ITS HEYDAY? >> IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL SHIPS THE GERMANS HAD.
IT HAD A TENNIS COURT. IT HAD A HEATING SWIMMING POOL. IT HAD A WONDERFUL RESTAURANT. >> IT WAS A LUXURY CRUISE SHIP.
>> IT WAS A LUXURY CRUISE LINER, ABSOLUTELY WAS. >> THE CAP ARCONA TRAVERSED THE ATLANTIC DOZENS OF TIMES.
BUT IN 1933, GERMANY UNDERWENT A SEA CHANGE. ADOLF HITLER CAME TO POYER. IN 1939, AS GERMAN TROOPS
INVADED POLAND, THE NAZIS COMMANDEERED THE CAP ARCONA TO SERVE AS A FLOATING BARRACKS. IRONICALLY ON ONE OF ITS LAST
TRIPS BEFORE THE WAR, THE OCEAN LINER CARRIED SOME GERMAN JEWISH PASSENGERS WHO BOUGHT TICKETS TO SAFETY IN SOUTH AMERICA.
BUT MOST JEWS HAD NO WAY TO ESCAPE. >> WE WERE ROUNDED UP AND SENT TO CONCENTRATION CAMP, JUST THE
THREE OF US, MY MOTHER, I, AND MY YOUNGER BROTHER. >> 94-YEAR-OLD MANFRED GOLDBERG WAS JUST 11 WHEN THE NAZIS
FORCIBLY REMOVED HIM AND OTHER JEWS FROM HIS HOMETOWN OF KASSEL IN CENTRAL GERMANY. HE WOULD SURVIVE CONFINEMENT IN
THE LATVIA GHETTO AND FOUR DIFFERENT CONCENTRATION CAMPS. >> THE CRUEL EXPERIENCE DURING MY YOUNG YEARS BETWEEN 11 AND
15, THEY'RE FIRMLY LODGED CLEARLY IN MY MIND TO THIS DAY. >> IN NAZI-HELD LATVIA, GOLDBERG, HIS MOTHER, ROSA, AND
OTHER PRISONERS WERE FORCED TO REPAIR BOMBED OUT RAILROAD TRACKS DURING THE DAY. WHEN THEY RETURNED TO CAMP ONE
NIGHT, THEY LEARNED THE SS HAD TAKEN MANFRED'S LITTLE BROTHER, HER HERMAN, AND THREE OTHER
CHILDREN. THEY WERE NEVER SEEN AGAIN. >> THEY JUST DISAPPEARED OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH.
THE NEXT MORNING, BOTH MY MOTHER AND I HAD TO LINE UP AND GO TO WORK AS THOUGH NOTHING HAD HAPPENED.
>> WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU AND YOUR MOTHER? >> I WAS NEARLY AS HEART BROKEN AS MY MOTHER AT THE LOSS OF HER
LITTLE BABY, SO TO SPEAK. HE WAS SEVEN WHEN HE WENT INTO THE CAMPS AND NINE THE DAY HE DISAPPEARED.
>> GOLDBERG AND HIS MOTHER ENDED UP IN THE CAMP IN NAZI OCCUPIED POLAND. ANOTHER YOUNG BOY, GEORGE
SCHWAB, WAS IN PRISON THERE TOO. >> BURNING BODIES ALL THE TIME, GASSING, TERRIBLE. >> SCHWAB IS 92, BUT HE WAS ONLY
NINE WHEN GERMAN SOLDIERS INVADED HIS HOMETOWN OF LIEPAJA, LATVIA. SCHWAB'S FATHER, A PROMINENT
PHYSICIAN, TRIED TO PROTECT OTHER JEWS IN TOWN. >> HE NOTICED SS TRUCKS WERE APPROACHING, AND HE WAVED FOR
FELLOW JEWS TO DISPERSE. AND THEY ARRESTED HIM, KNOCKED OUT ONE EYE, THREW HIM DOWN THE CELLAR, AND THEN KILLED HIM.
>> BRUNO'S FATHER, WILLI NEURATH, WAS NOT JEWISH, BUT HE ACTIVELY OPPOSED THE NAZI REGIME.
>> GERMAN PEOPLE WHO FIGHT AGAINST THE NAZIS. THEY DIDN'T FIGHT WITH WEAPONS, OF COURSE.
>> WITH THEIR WORDS. >> FIGHTING WITH PAPERS, WITH PRINTED PAPERS. >> WILLI WAS ARRESTED FOR
DISTRIBUTED ANTIFASCIST FLYERS. THEY BROUGHT HIM TO THE NEUENGAMME WORK CAMP. >> THE NEUENGAMME WORK CAMP
MOSTLY HELD POLITICAL PRISONERS. INSIDE THIS MASSIVE WAREHOUSE, THE HISTORIAN TOLD US PRISONERS LIKE WILLI NEURATH MADE BRICKS.
>> WHAT DOES IT FEEL LIKE TO WALK IN HERE? >> IT FEELS LIKE A FACTORY OF DEATH.
YOU CAN SENSE WHAT WENT ON IN THIS PLACE. >> BUT THIS WAS NOT A DEATH CAMP.
THIS WAS A WORK CAMP. >> IT'S A VERY, VERY SLIM DISTINCTION. IN THE COURSE OF THIS WORK, THEY
DIE. THEY DIE IN DROVES. >> WILLI NEURATH MANAGED TO SURVIVE.
BUT AS FATE WOULD HAVE IT, HE, SCHWAB, THE GOLDBERGS, AND THE CAP ARCONA ALL WOULD END UP IN THE LUBECK BAY, ONE OF THE LAST
NAZI DEFENSIVE POSITIONS. IN 1945, AS THE ALLIES WERE CLOSING IN, THE CAP ARCONA, NOW RUSTED AND BATTERED, WAS
REPOSITIONED TO LUBECK BAY. AT THE SAME TIME, SS CHIEF HEINRICH HIMMLER ORDERED THE EVACUATION OF CONCENTRATION
CAMPS. >> WHY WERE THEY TRYING TO CLEAN UP THE CAMPS? >> THERE WAS AN ORDER BY
HIMMLER. THEY CAN TALK, THEY CAN TELL, THEY CAN SPEAK TO THE ATROCITIES BY THE NAZIS.
SO, GETTING RID OF THE EVIDENCE MEANT GETTING RID OF HUMAN BEINGS. >> THOUSANDS OF PRISONERS WERE
SENT TO THE NAZI HOLDOUT AT LUBECK BAY. WILLI NEURATH WAS FORCED NORTH ABOUT 50 MILES.
FROM -- IN THE EAST, MANFRED GOLDBERG, HIS MOTHER, AND GEORGE SCHWAB WERE SENT TO A NEARBY TOWN APTLY NAMED HELL AND PUT ON
BARGES. >> WHAT WERE THE CONDITIONS? >> OH, TERRIBLE. JUST BEYOND DESCRIPTION.
NO TOILET FACILITIES. HARDLY ANY FOOD. YOU COULD HARDLY SIT. YOU COULD CERTAINLY NOT SLEEP.
>> SOUNDS LIKE HELL. >> HELL. HELL ON EARTH, ABSOLUTELY. >> THE BARGES EACH PACKED WITH
ABOUT 1,000 PRISONERS WERE TOWED BY TUG BOAT FOR ABOUT SIX DAYS TO WHERE THE CAP ARCONA WAS POSITIONED.
>> THE CAP ARCONA ARRIVED IN LUBECK BAY ON APRIL 14, 1945, TWO WEEKS BEFORE HITLER KILLED HIMSELF AND THREE WEEKS BEFORE
THE END OF THE WAR IN EUROPE. IT WAS ANCHORED OUT THERE ABOUT TWO MILES OFFSHORE. WITH ITS ENGINES BARELY RUNNING
AND LITTLE IN THE WAY OF FOOD AND WATER, THE FORMER QUEEN OF THE ATLANTIC, A PLAYGROUND FOR THE RICH AND FAMOUS, WAS ABOUT
TO BECOME A FLOATING CONCENTRATION CAMP. >> WITH NOWHERE TO HOLD THE AMASSED PRISONERS, SS GUARDS
JAMMED MORE THAN 4,000, INCLUDING WILLI NEURATH, ONTO THE CAP ARCONA. >> THIS IS A SHIP THAT'S MEANT
FOR 1,500 PEOPLE. IT'S NOT MEANT FOR 4 TO 5,000 PRISONERS. >> DO WE KNOW WHAT THE NAZIS
INTENDED TO DO WITH THE PRISONERS ON THE SHIP? >> I THINK THEY INTENDED THEM TO DIE.
>> PRISONERS ALREADY WERE DYING ON THE BARGES. ONCE IN THE BAY, THE SS GUARDS UNCOUPLED THE TUG BOATS LEAVING
THE PRISONERS ADRIFT. >> THEY JUST ABANDONED YOU. >> ABANDONED. WE WERE LEFT ALONE SUPPOSEDLY ON
MINE FIELDS. >> SCHWAB AND GOLDBERG TOLD US MIXED IN WITH THE CONCENTRATION CAMP VICTIMS WERE A FEW
PRISONERS OF WAR. THEY HAD BEEN BETTER FED AND BETTER TREATED, AND THEY SEIZED THE OPPORTUNITY.
>> THEY MANAGED TO PRY LOOSE SOME VERY LONG FLOORBOARDS AND BEGAN USING THESE PLANKS OF WOOD AS OARS.
AND THEY ROWED INTO THE NIGHT. SHORTLY BEFORE DAWN, THE BARGE -- >> NORWEGIAN PRISONERS ON GEORGE
SCHWAB'S BARGE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE WIND BLOWING TOWARD SHORE. >> THEY CAME AND COLLECTED THE -- THAT WE HAD AND MADE
SAILS. AND WE MANAGED TO SAIL TOWARDS LAND. >> NEAR DEATH BUT DESPERATE TO
LIVE, SCHWAB AND THE GOLDBERGS FOUND THE STRENGTH TO CLIMB OUT OF THEIR BARGES, ONLY TO BE INTERCEPTED BY THE SS AND GERMAN
TROOPS ON THE BEACH, WHO SHOT AND KILLED MANY PRISONERS ON THE SPOT. >> AND WE FELT PRACTICALLY
CERTAIN THAT WE WOULD BE SHOT NEXT. BUT INSTEAD, THEY LINED US UP INTO A COLUMN.
>> WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE SHIPPED TO A LINER BY THE NAME OF CAP ARCONA. >> AND WHILE WE STOOD THERE, WE
SAW QUITE A LARGE NUMBER OF BOMBERS, AIRPLANES, MOVING OVERHEAD. >> THE CAP ARCONA WAS IN THE
BOMBERS' SIGHTS. THE WAR WAS NEARLY OVER, BUT THE PRISONERS' ORDEAL WAS NOT. THAT PART OF THE STORY WHEN WE
COME BACK. [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] [ STOPWATCH TICKING ] >>> AT THE BEGINNING OF MAY
1945, THE WAR IN EUROPE WAS ALL BUT OVER. ADOLF HITLER WAS DEAD. GERMAN FORCES WERE IN RETREAT.
AND THE THIRD REICH WAS CRUMBLING. ONE OF THE LAST NAZI DEFENSIVE POSITIONS WAS AT LUBECK BAY IN
THE BALTIC SEA, WHERE GERMAN SHIPS FLED SEEKING SAFE HARBOR, INCLUDING THE CAP ARCONA, A LUXURY OCEAN LINER COMMANDEERED
BY THE NAZIS FOR THE WAR EFFORT. AS THE ALLIES CLOSED IN, THE SS EVACUATED CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND PACKED THOUSANDS OF
PRISONERS ONTO THE CAP ARCONA. AROUND NOON ON MAY 3, 1945, 13-YEAR-OLD GEORGE SCHWAB WAS ORDERED TO LINE UP TO BOARD THE
SHIP. >> THE CAP ARCONA COULD NOT COME CLOSE TO SHORE BECAUSE IT WAS A LARGE SHIP.
SO, WE WERE GOING TO BE TRANSPORTED TO THE CAP ARCONA BY A HUDDLE SHIP. I WAS IN THE BACK OF THE LINE.
I WAS IN NO HURRY. >> YOU PURPOSELY GOT TO THE BACK OF THE LINE. >> BACK OF THE LINE.
>> HE WAS AT A DOCK NEAR THIS GERMAN NAVAL BASE, WHERE MANFRED GOLDBERG AND HIS MOTHER WERE LINED UP TOO.
>> AND JUST WHILE WE STOOD THERE THAT WE WITNESSED BOMBERS AND FIGHTER PLANES COMING ALONG. >> COULD YOU SEE ANY MARKINGS ON
THE PLANE? >> NO. WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT NATIONALITY THEY WERE.
>> YOU COULD SEE THE PLANES COMING IN. >> YOU COULD SEE THE PLANES CLEARLY.
YOU COULD SEE THE BOMBS DROPPING. >> CAN YOU REMEMBER WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE?
>> THERE WERE PRETTY POWERFUL EXPLOSIONS. THERE WERE QUITE A FEW. >> THE CAP ARCONA WAS HIT.
WITH MORE THAN 4,000 PRISONERS ON BOARD, THE FLOATING CONCENTRATION CAMP BECAME A FIERY TOMB.
IN A HARD-TO-BELIEVE TURN OF EVENTS, THE ATTACKERS WERE BRITISH TYPHOON FIGHTERS LIKE THESE, PART OF THE ALLIED FORCES
MOVING IN TO FINISH OFF THE NAZIS. >> THE BRITISH CAME TO LIBERATE THESE PRISONERS.
>> THEY DID, YEAH. >> AND ENDED UP KILLING THOUSANDS OF THEM. >> YEAH.
IT'S LIKE HORROR ON TOP OF HORROR. >> IT IS. AND YET SOME OF THEM DID SURVIVE
TO REMEMBER IT. >> BILL NIVEN IS A BRITISH HISTORIAN AND SCHOLAR OF THE HOLOCAUST.
HE TOLD US THE MISTAKEN ATTACK ON THE CAP ARCONA AND A SMALLER SHIP IS ONE OF THE MOST WRENCHING TRAGEDIES OF THE WAR.
>> THE PRISONERS KNEW THAT THE WAR WAS NEARING ITS END. I THINK A LOT OF THEM PROBABLY HAD HOPES THAT THEY WOULD
SURVIVE, AND THAT GAVE THEM THE STRENGTH AND THE COURAG TO HANG ON. >> AT THE CAP ARCONA MUSEUM IN
THE TOWN BY LUBECK BAY, HE DESCRIBED THE ATTACK. BRITISH TYPHOON STRUCK IN WAVES. THE CAP ARCONA WAS HIT AROUND
3:00 P.M. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY BOMBS WERE DROPPED ON THE SHIP? >> SOME PEOPLE SAY 60.
YOU CAN IMAGINE THE PANIC AND THE HORROR THAT BROKE OUT WHEN THE BOMBS HIT THE SHIP, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE
CONCENTRATION PRISONERS IN THE VERY LOWER DECKS OF THE SHIP AND THEY WERE UNABLE TO GET UP TO THE TOP BECAUSE OF THE FLAMES.
>> IS THIS THE WORST CASE OF FRIENDLY FIRE IN THE RURAL AIR FORCE'S HISTORY? >> QUITE PROBABLY, YEAH.
>> SEBASTIAN COX IS CHIEF HISTORIAN FOR BRITAIN'S ROYAL AIR FORCE, THE RAF. HE BLAMES THE INCIDENT ON THE
FOG OF WAR. >> WHY WAS THE CAP ARCONA TARGETED? >> BECAUSE THE ALLIES BELIEVED
THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN ATTEMPT TO FLEE BY CERTAIN NAZI ELEMENTS ACROSS THE BALTIC TO NORWAY AND ESSENTIALLY CONTINUE THE WAR.
>> DID THE BRITISH MILITARY HAVE ANY IDEA THAT CONCENTRATION CAMP SURVIVORS WERE ON THE CAP ARCONA?
>> IF YOU MEAN DID THE PILOTS HAVE ANY IDEA, ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> BUT OTHER MEMBERS OF THE BRITISH MILITARY DID KNOW.
>> WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THE RECORDS, THAT THE BRITISH WERE HANDED TWO OPPORTUNITIES VERY CLOSE TO THE THIRD OF MAY IN
REGARDS TO PLACEMENT OF PRISON RS ON BOARD THE SHIP. >> CONCENTRATION CAMP PRISONERS ON THOSE SHIPS.
>> INDEED. >> DANIEL LONG WROTE HIS PHD HISTORY THESIS ON THE ATTACK ON THE CAP ARCONA.
WE MET HIM AT THE BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES IN LONDON, WHERE HE SHOWED US THIS THESE FRAGILE WAR DOCUMENTS.
>> THIS IS THE ONLY OFFICIAL INVESTIGATION THAT WAS CARRIED OUT INTO THE TRAGIC SINKING OF THE CAP ARCONA.
>> SHORTLY AFTER THE BOMBING, A BRITISH WAR CRIMES INVESTIGATOR INTERVIEWED THE -- SQUADRONS THAT ATTACKED THE CAP ARCONA.
>> THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER ADMITTED ON TWO OCCASIONS A MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED THAT THE SHIPS HAD BEEN LOADED WITH
CONCENTRATION CAMP PRISONERS. >> THAT INTELLIGENCE CAME IN THE DAY BEFORE THE ATTACK. >> WHICH THEN LEADS TO SUGGEST
THERE WAS AMPLE TIME TO WARN THE PILOTS ON THE PLANES. >> THAT INFORMATION DID NOT MAKE IT TO THE RAF PILOTS.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE REPORT DOES NOT SAY WHY THE INTELLIGENCE OFFICER FAILED TO INFORM THE PILOTS, BUT IT DID
BLAME RAF PERSONNEL FOR THE ERROR AND CALLED FOR FURTHER INQUIRY. >> THE REPORT STRONGLY URGED
THAT THERE BE A FOLLOW-UP INVESTIGATION. THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENE, HAS IT? >> NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.
>> WHY NOT? >> ATTEMPTING TO, YOU KNOW, CONDUCT A DETAILED INVESTIGATION WOULD, IN MANY RESPECTS, BE A
LITTLE POINTLESS. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CONCLUDE? >> TO FIND OUT WHAT WENT WRONG, WHAT MISTAKES WERE MADE.
>> WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. THE RAF MADE A MISTAKE. AN INDIVIDUAL MADE A VERY TRAGIC MISTAKE.
AND WE KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES. >> ABOUT 7,000 PRISONERS PERISHED WHEN THE SHIPS WERE BOMBED IN THE BAY.
OF THE MORE THAN 4,000 ON THE CAP ARCONA, ONLY ABOUT 400 SURVIVED. BILL NIVEN TOLD US SEVERAL
SURVIVORS LATER WROTE ACCOUNTS OF THE HELL THEY ENDURED AT SEA. >> THOUSANDS OF PRISONER WS WER BACKED TOGETHER LIKE HERRINGS.
[ SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE ] SO THEY STRETCHED THEIR ARMS UP AND THEY CRIED OUT, I WANT OUT,
I WANT OUT. THIS IS REALLY QUITE TERRIBLE TO HAVE TO READ THIS. THE FIRE SUDDENLY GOT MORE AND
MORE INTENSIVE, AND THIS WAS BECAUSE THE FLESH OF THE PRISONERS WAS BURNING SO STRONGLY IT MADE THIS INTENSITY
HAPPEN. IT'S DISTRESSING TO READ. >> BRUNO NEURATH WITH HIS FATHER, WILLI, A POLITICAL
PRISONER, WAS TRAPPED ON THE SHIP WHEN THE BOMBS HIT. >> MY FATHER MANAGED TO GO TO THE BACK OF THE SHIP WHERE IT
WAS NOT BURNING. HE SURVIVED BECAUSE HE COULDN'T SWIM. >> HE SURVIVED BECAUSE HE
COULDN'T SWIM? >> HE DID NOT JUMP INTO THE WATER. PRISONERS WOULD JUMP INTO THE
WATER WERE SHOT BY THE SS. >> WHEN THE BRITISH REALIZED THEIR MISTAKE, THEY DISPATCHED RESCUER WHO IS PLUCKED WILLI
NEURATH AND OTHERS FROM THE DECK OF THE CAR ARCONA AND TOOK THEM TOSHORE. >>THIS ISTHESTRETCH OF BEACH
WHERE YOUR FATHER CAME ASHORE. >> YES. >> BRUNO TOLD US IN AN IMPROBABLE TWIST OF FATE, HIS
MOTHER, AVA, A NAVAL STAFF ASSISTANT HAD BEEN TRANSFERRED TO THE NAVAL BASE AT LUBECK BAY. WHEN SHE SAW THE BOMBING, SHE
WAS DRAWN TO THE BEACH. >> SHE HAD ONLY ONE HOPE, TO KNOW WHERE IS MY HUSBAND, IS HE STILL LIVING, AND MAYBE MY
HUSBAND IS ON THE SHIP. >> HOW DID THEY FIND EACH OTHER? >> SHE CAME FROM THIS DIRECTION AND SHE SAW A MAN COMING TOWARDS
HER. SHE DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE ONE PERSON SHE WANTED TO SEE. >> HE MUST HAVE BEEN THIN AND
WEAK. >> AND DIRTY FROM THE BURNING. BUT HE CAME OVER TO HER. >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.
>> IT MEANS SOMETHING LIKE I LOVE YOUR ROUND FACE. SHE RECOGNIZED HIS VOICE BY THIS WORD.
>> THAT SHIP WAS A GRAVE YARD FOR SO MANY PEOPLE BUT YET IT BROUGHT YOUR PARENTS BACK TOGETHER.
>> YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE HIDDEN MEANINGS IN LIFE. BUT ONE MEANING CAN BE -- I CAN
TELL ABOUT THE STORY. >> AS FOR GEORGE SCHWAB, HE PULLED INSPIRATION FROM THE HORROR.
>> THIS IS -- >> THE NATIVE OF LATVIA MOVED TO NEW YORK, EARNED A PHD IN POLITICAL SCIENCE, AND HAD AN
ILLUSTRIOUS CAREER AS AN ACADEMIC AND PEACE BROKER. >> HERE WAS KING HUSSEIN, CLINTON.
>> DR. SCHWAB, I THINK YOU KNEW EVERYONE. >> SOMEWHAT. >> MANFRED GOLDBERG AND HIS
MOTHER SETTLED IN LONDON. SHE PASSED AWAY IN 1961. GOLDBERG MARRIED, STARTED A BUSINESS AND A FAMILY.
IN 2017, HE RETURNED TO THE CONCENTRATION CAMP WITH THE THEN DUKE AND DUCHESS OF CAMBRIDGE. HE HAS MADE IT HIS LIFE MISSION
TO SHARE HIS STORY. >> I CONSIDER THAT PART OF MY REVENGE ON THE NAZIS. THEY WANTED TO EXTERMINATE US.
AND HERE WE ARE NOT ONLY HAVING SURVIVED. WE ARE NOW GREAT GRANDPARENTS. >> THAT'S YOUR REVENGE.
>> MY REVENGE ON THE NAZIS, YES. >> THE CAP ARCONA LAY HALF SUNKEN IN LUBECK BAY FOR FOUR YEARS BEFORE BEING DISMANTLED.
BUT THE STORY IS LAYING BENEATH THE SURFACE, LITTLE KNOWN BEYOND THIS BALTIC COAST. IT'S NOW TRADITION ON THE THIRD
OF MAY FOR FAMILIES OF VICTIMS AND SURVIVORS TO SAIL TO THE SITE WHERE THE SHIP WAS BOMBED. THEY WANT THE WORLD TO REMEMBER.
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