1 00:00:10,643 --> 00:00:16,483 >>> IT'S A "60 MINUTES" TRADITION, HEARING FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, THOUGH TONIGHT, ONLY THE DEMOCRATIC 2 00:00:16,549 --> 00:00:23,656 TICKET SAT AND ANSWERED OUR QUESTIONS. >> YOU WANT TO EXPAND THE CHILD TAX CREDIT? 3 00:00:23,723 --> 00:00:27,327 >> YES, I DO. >> YOU WANT TO GIVE TAX BREAKS TO FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS. >> YES. 4 00:00:27,394 --> 00:00:30,930 >> AND PEOPLE STARTING SMALL BUSINESSES. >> CORRECT. >> HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR 5 00:00:30,997 --> 00:00:36,569 THAT? >> MY ECONOMIC PLAN WOULD STRENGTHEN AMERICA'S ECONOMY. HIS WOULD WEAKEN IT. 6 00:00:36,636 --> 00:00:45,145 >> PARDON ME, MADAME VICE PRESIDENT, THE QUESTION WAS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT? >> WHAT ARE YOUR FEARS FOR THIS 7 00:00:45,211 --> 00:00:52,018 COMING ELECTION DAY? >> THAT WE'LL BE DOING THIS AGAIN FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. >> STEPHEN RICHER IS A 8 00:00:52,085 --> 00:01:00,393 REPUBLICAN ELECTION OFFICIAL IN THE SWING STATE OF ARIZONA WHO HAS SPENT NEARLY FOUR YEARS FIGHTING TO CONVINCE FELLOW 9 00:01:00,460 --> 00:01:08,334 REPUBLICANS THAT THE 2020 ELECTION WASN'T STOLEN. >> HOW DID THEY REACT TO YOU? >> NOT WELL. 10 00:01:08,401 --> 00:01:16,976 NOT WELL AT ALL. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. 11 00:01:17,043 --> 00:01:23,183 >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECLILA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. 12 00:01:23,249 --> 00:01:32,392 THOSE STORIES, PLUS, WE REMEMBER THE TERROR ATTACK ON ISRAEL ONE YEAR AGO AND ADDRESS PRESIDENT TRUMP'S ABSENCE. 13 00:01:32,459 --> 00:01:37,697 TONIGHT, ON "60 MINUTES." 14 00:01:41,367 --> 00:01:50,844 >>> IT'S BEEN A TRADITION FOR MORE THAN HALF A CENTURY THAT THE MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT SIT DOWN WITH "60 15 00:01:50,910 --> 00:01:55,181 MINUTES" IN OCTOBER. IN 1968 IT WAS RICHARD NIXON AND HUBERT HUMPHREY. THIS YEAR, VICE PRESIDENT 16 00:01:55,248 --> 00:02:04,958 KAMALA HARRIS AND FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP ACCEPTED OUR INVITATION. BUT, UNFORTUNATELY, LAST WEEK, 17 00:02:05,024 --> 00:02:11,631 TRUMP CANCELED. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAD TOLD US THAT THE INTERVIEW WOULD BE THIS PAST THURSDAY AT MAR-A-LAGO. 18 00:02:11,698 --> 00:02:19,005 THEY ALSO ASKED US WHETHER WE WOULD MEET 78-YEAR-OLD TRUMP IN BUTLER, PENNSYLVANIA, WHERE HE WAS GRAZED IN AN ASSASSINATION 19 00:02:19,072 --> 00:02:27,947 ATTEMPT. WE AGREED. ON SEPTEMBER 9th, TRUMP'S COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR STEVEN 20 00:02:28,014 --> 00:02:35,855 CHEUNG SENT A TEXT THAT READ, QUOTE, I'M WORKING WITH OUR ADVANCE TEAM TO SEE LOGISTICALLY IF BUTLER WOULD WORK IN ADDITION 21 00:02:35,922 --> 00:02:44,330 TO THE SIT DOWN. SIT DOWN MEANING THE INTERVIEW IN FLORIDA. DAYS LATER, CHEUNG CALLED TO 22 00:02:44,397 --> 00:02:52,939 SAY, QUOTE, THE PRESIDENT SAID YES. THEN, A WEEK AGO, TRUMP BACKED OUT. 23 00:02:53,006 --> 00:02:58,278 THE CAMPAIGN OFFERED SHIFTING EXPLANATIONS. FIRST, IT COMPLAINED THAT WE WOULD FACT CHECK THE INTERVIEW. 24 00:02:58,344 --> 00:03:06,553 WE FACT CHECK EVERY STORY. LATER, TRUMP SAID HE NEEDED AN APOLOGY FOR HIS INTERVIEW IN 2020. 25 00:03:06,619 --> 00:03:16,996 TRUMP CLAIMS CORRESPONDENT LESLEY STAHL SAID IN THAT INTERVIEW THAT HUNTER BIDEN'S CONTROVERSIAL LAPTOP CAME FROM 26 00:03:17,063 --> 00:03:23,002 RUSSIA. SHE NEVER SAID THAT. TRUMP HAS SAID HIS OPPONENT DOESN'T DO INTERVIEWS BECAUSE 27 00:03:23,069 --> 00:03:29,275 SHE CAN'T HANDLE THEM. HE HAD PREVIOUSLY DECLINED ANOTHER DEBATE WITH HARRIS, SO TONIGHT MAY HAVE BEEN THE 28 00:03:29,342 --> 00:03:36,649 LARGEST AUDIENCE FOR THE CANDIDATES BETWEEN NOW AND ELECTION DAY. OUR QUESTIONS ADDRESSED THE 29 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:46,192 ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS AND THE WARS IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND EUROPE. BOTH CAMPAIGNS UNDERSTOOD THIS 30 00:03:46,259 --> 00:03:55,134 SPECIAL WOULD GO AHEAD IF EITHER CANDIDATE BACKED OUT. AND SO, WITH THAT, HERE'S BILL WHITAKER. 31 00:03:55,201 --> 00:04:02,375 >>> KAMALA HARRIS HAS BEEN A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT FOR JUST TWO AND A HALF MONTHS, AND THE POST CONVENTION HONEYMOON IS 32 00:04:02,442 --> 00:04:09,482 OVER. WITH THE ELECTION JUST 29 DAYS AWAY, HARRIS AND HER RUNNING MATE, MINNESOTA GOVERNOR TIM 33 00:04:09,549 --> 00:04:17,890 WALZ FACE UNRELENTING ATTACKS FROM DONALD TRUMP, AND THE RACE REMAINS EXTREMELY CLOSE. WE MET THE 59-YEAR-OLD VICE 34 00:04:17,957 --> 00:04:23,730 PRESIDENT THIS PAST WEEK ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL AND LATER AT THE VICE PRESIDENT'S RESIDENCE IN WASHINGTON, D.C. 35 00:04:23,796 --> 00:04:37,677 WE SPOKE ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND IMMIGRATION, UKRAINE AND CHINA. BUT WE BEGAN WITH THE ESCALATING WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST. 36 00:04:37,744 --> 00:04:43,449 ONE YEAR AFTER THE HAMAS TERROR ATTACK ON ISRAEL. >> THE EVENTS OF THE PAST FEW WEEKS HAVE PUSHED US TO THE 37 00:04:43,516 --> 00:04:50,790 BRINK, IF -- IF NOT INTO AN ALL-OUT REGIONAL WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST. WHAT CAN THE U.S. DO AT THIS 38 00:04:50,857 --> 00:04:58,731 POINT TO STOP THIS FROM SPINNING OUT OF CONTROL? >> WELL, LET'S START WITH OCTOBER 7. 39 00:04:58,798 --> 00:05:09,342 1,200 PEOPLE WERE MASSACRED, 250 HOSTAGES WERE TAKEN, INCLUDING AMERICANS, WOMEN WERE BRUTALLY RAPED, AND AS I SAID THEN, I 40 00:05:09,409 --> 00:05:15,682 MAINTAIN ISRAEL HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF. WE WOULD. AND HOW IT DOES SO MATTERS. 41 00:05:15,748 --> 00:05:22,555 FAR TOO MANY INNOCENT PALESTINIANS HAVE BEEN KILLED. THIS WAR HAS TO END. >> WE SUPPLY ISRAEL WITH 42 00:05:22,622 --> 00:05:29,929 BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN MILITARY AID, AND YET PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU SEEMS TO BE CHARTING HIS OWN COURSE. 43 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:37,336 THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION HAS PRESSED HIM TO AGREE TO A CEASE FIRE. HE'S RESISTED. 44 00:05:37,403 --> 00:05:45,278 YOU URGED HIM NOT TO GO INTO LEBANON. HE WENT IN ANYWAY. DOES THE U.S. HAVE NO SWAY OVER 45 00:05:45,344 --> 00:05:52,118 PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU? >> THE WORK THAT WE DO DIPLOMATICALLY WITH THE LEADERSHIP OF ISRAEL IS AN 46 00:05:52,185 --> 00:05:59,525 ONGOING PURSUIT AROUND MAKING CLEAR OUR PRINCIPLES. >> BUT IT SEEMS THAT PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU IS NOT 47 00:05:59,592 --> 00:06:05,965 LISTENING. >> WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP PURSUING WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE UNITED STATES TO BE CLEAR 48 00:06:06,032 --> 00:06:18,111 ABOUT WHERE WE STAND ON THE NEED FOR THIS WAR TO END. >> DO WE HAVE A REAL CLOSE ALLY IN PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU? 49 00:06:18,177 --> 00:06:26,519 >> I THINK, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, THE BETTER QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE AN IMPORTANT ALLIANCE BETWEEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND 50 00:06:26,586 --> 00:06:33,459 THE ISRAELI PEOPLE. AND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS YES. >> WHILE THE WAR IN THE MIDDLE 51 00:06:33,526 --> 00:06:40,333 EAST HAS DOMINATED RECENT HEADLINES, IT'S THE ECONOMY THAT MOST CONCERNS AMERICAN VOTERS THIS ELECTION YEAR, AS ALWAYS. 52 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:48,241 >> THERE ARE LOTS OF SIGNS THAT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY IS DOING VERY WELL, BETTER THAN MOST COUNTRIES, I THINK, BUT THE 53 00:06:48,307 --> 00:06:57,183 AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T SEEM TO BE FEELING IT. GROCERIES ARE 25% HIGHER, AND PEOPLE ARE BLAMING YOU AND JOE 54 00:06:57,250 --> 00:07:03,623 BIDEN FOR THAT. ARE THEY WRONG? >> WE NOW HAVE HISTORIC LOW UNEMPLOYMENT IN AMERICA AMONG 55 00:07:03,689 --> 00:07:12,598 ALL GROUPS OF PEOPLE. WE NOW HAVE AN ECONOMY THAT IS THRIVING BY ALL MACROECONOMIC MEASURES. 56 00:07:12,665 --> 00:07:20,006 AND, TO YOUR POINT, PRICES ARE STILL TOO HIGH. AND I KNOW THAT. AND WE NEED TO DEAL WITH IT, 57 00:07:20,072 --> 00:07:24,744 WHICH IS WHY PART OF MY PLAN -- YOU MENTIONED GROCERIES. PART OF MY PLAN IS WHAT WE MUST DO TO BRING DOWN THE PRICE OF 58 00:07:24,811 --> 00:07:30,550 GROCERIES. >> HARRIS SAYS SHE'LL PRESS CONGRESS TO PASS A FEDERAL BAN ON PRICE GOUGING FOR FOOD AND 59 00:07:30,616 --> 00:07:37,423 GROCERIES, BUT DETAILS ARE YET TO BE DEFINED. >> YOU WANT TO EXPAND THE CHILD TAX CREDIT. 60 00:07:37,490 --> 00:07:41,661 >> YES, I DO. >> YOU WANT TO GIVE TAX BREAKS TO FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS. >> YES. 61 00:07:41,727 --> 00:07:46,399 >> AND PEOPLE STARTING SMALL BUSINESSES. >> CORRECT. >> BUT IT IS ESTIMATED BY THE 62 00:07:46,465 --> 00:07:55,374 NONPARTISAN COMMITTEE FOR RESPONSIBLE FEDERAL BUDGET THAT YOUR ECONOMIC PLAN WOULD ADD $3 TRILLION TO THE FEDERAL 63 00:07:55,441 --> 00:08:01,214 DEFICIT OVER THE NEXT DECADE. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? >> OKAY. 64 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:09,655 SO THE OTHER ECONOMISTS THAT HAVE REVIEWED MY PLAN VERSUS MY OPPONENT AND DETERMINED THAT MY ECONOMIC PLAN WOULD STRENGTHEN 65 00:08:09,722 --> 00:08:18,931 AMERICA'S ECONOMY. HIS WOULD WEAKEN IT. >> BUT -- >> MY PLAN, BILL, IF YOU DON'T 66 00:08:18,998 --> 00:08:23,269 MIND, MY PLAN IS ABOUT SAYING THAT WHEN YOU INVEST IN SMALL BUSINESSES, YOU INVEST IN THE MIDDLE CLASS, AND YOU STRENGTHEN 67 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:29,475 AMERICA'S ECONOMY. SMALL BUSINESSES ARE PART OF THE BACKBONE OF AMERICA'S ECONOMY. >> BUT -- BUT PARDON ME, MADAME 68 00:08:29,542 --> 00:08:35,281 VICE PRESIDENT, I -- THE -- THE QUESTION WAS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT? >> WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I'M 69 00:08:35,348 --> 00:08:43,756 GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RICHEST AMONG US, WHO CAN AFFORD IT, PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE IN TAXES. 70 00:08:43,823 --> 00:08:51,097 IT IS NOT RIGHT THAT TEACHERS AND NURSES AND FIREFIGHTERS ARE PAYING A HIGHER TAX RATE THAN BILLIONAIRES AND THE BIGGEST 71 00:08:51,163 --> 00:08:54,834 CORPORATIONS. >> BUT -- BUT -- >> AND I PLAN ON MAKING THAT FAIR. 72 00:08:54,901 --> 00:08:59,572 >> BUT WE'RE DEALING WITH THE REAL WORLD HERE. >> BUT THE REAL WORLD INCLUDES -- 73 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:05,411 >> HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET THIS THROUGH CONGRESS? >> YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU TALK QUIETLY WITH A LOT OF FOLKS IN 74 00:09:05,478 --> 00:09:09,115 CONGRESS, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT CAUSE THEIR CONSTITUENTS KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 75 00:09:09,181 --> 00:09:16,522 THEIR CONSTITUENTS ARE THOSE FIREFIGHTERS AND TEACHERS AND NURSES. THEIR CONSTITUENTS ARE MIDDLE 76 00:09:16,589 --> 00:09:23,229 CLASS, HARD-WORKING FOLK. >> AND CONGRESS HAS SHONE NO INCLINATION TO MOVE IN YOUR 77 00:09:23,296 --> 00:09:34,707 DIRECTION. >> I DISAGREE WITH YOU. THERE ARE PLENTY OF LEADERS IN CONGRESS WHO UNDERSTAND AND KNOW 78 00:09:34,774 --> 00:09:39,545 THAT THE TRUMP TAX CUTS BLEW UP OUR FEDERAL DEFICIT. NONE OF US, AND CERTAINLY I CANNOT AFFORD TO BE MYOPIC IN 79 00:09:39,612 --> 00:09:48,020 TERMS OF HOW I THINK ABOUT STRENGTHENING AMERICA'S ECONOMY. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. I AM A DEVOUT PUBLIC SERVANT. 80 00:09:48,087 --> 00:09:52,825 YOU KNOW THAT I AM ALSO A CAPITALIST. AND I KNOW THE LIMITATIONS OF GOVERNMENT. 81 00:09:52,892 --> 00:09:59,098 >> KAMALA HARRIS HAS BEEN IN GOVERNMENT FOR DECADES. SHE WAS FIRST ELECTED SAN FRANCISCO DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN 82 00:09:59,165 --> 00:10:07,573 2003, THEN CALIFORNIA ATTORNEY GENERAL. SHE WENT ON TO THE U.S. SENATE AND NOW VICE PRESIDENT. 83 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:15,381 >> A QUARTER OF REGISTERED VOTERS STILL SAY THEY DON'T KNOW YOU. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT MAKES YOU 84 00:10:15,448 --> 00:10:25,124 TICK. AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS? WHAT'S THE DISCONNECT? >> IT'S AN ELECTION, BILL, AND I 85 00:10:25,191 --> 00:10:30,963 TAKE IT SERIOUSLY THAT I HAVE TO EARN EVERYONE'S VOTE. THIS IS AN ELECTION FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. 86 00:10:31,030 --> 00:10:36,769 NO ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT THEY CAN JUST DECLARE THEMSELVES A CANDIDATE AND AUTOMATICALLY RECEIVE 87 00:10:36,836 --> 00:10:42,541 SUPPORT. YOU HAVE TO EARN IT. AND THAT'S WHAT I INTEND TO DO. >> LET ME TELL YOU WHAT YOUR 88 00:10:42,608 --> 00:10:50,449 CRITICS AND THE COLUMNISTS SAY. >> OKAY. >> THEY SAY THAT THE REASON SO MANY VOTERS DON'T KNOW YOU IS 89 00:10:50,516 --> 00:10:56,822 THAT YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR POSITION ON SO MANY THINGS. YOU WERE AGAINST FRACKING. NOW YOU'RE FOR IT. 90 00:10:56,889 --> 00:11:02,762 YOU SUPPORTED LOOSER IMMIGRATION POLICIES, NOW YOU'RE TIGHTENING THEM UP. YOU WERE FOR MEDICARE FOR ALL, 91 00:11:02,828 --> 00:11:10,636 NOW YOU'RE NOT. SO MANY THAT PEOPLE DON'T TRULY KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE OR WHAT YOU STAND FOR. 92 00:11:10,703 --> 00:11:17,510 AND I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD THAT. >> IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS I HAVE BEEN VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND I HAVE BEEN 93 00:11:17,576 --> 00:11:22,314 TRAVELING THE COUNTRY. AND I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO FOLKS AND SEEKING WHAT IS POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF COMMON 94 00:11:22,381 --> 00:11:34,560 GROUND. I BELIEVE IN BUILDING CONSENSUS. WE ARE A DIVERSE PEOPLE. GEOGRAPHICALLY, REGIONALLY, IN 95 00:11:34,627 --> 00:11:39,899 TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE IN OUR BACKGROUNDS AND WHAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO WANT IS THAT WE HAVE LEADERS WHO CAN BUILD 96 00:11:39,965 --> 00:11:46,906 CONSENSUS. WHERE WE CAN FIGURE OUT COMPROMISE AND UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A BAD THING, AS LONG AS YOU 97 00:11:46,972 --> 00:11:55,114 DON'T COMPROMISE YOUR VALUES, TO FIND COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS. AND THAT HAS BEEN MY APPROACH. >> BUT ONE ISSUE THAT HAS PROVEN 98 00:11:55,181 --> 00:12:02,822 IMPERVIOUS TO COMPROMISE IS IMMIGRATION. OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS, THE BIDEN/HARRIS APPROACH HAS BEEN 99 00:12:02,888 --> 00:12:09,428 INCONSISTENT, AND REPUBLICANS ARE CONVINCED IMMIGRATION IS THE VICE PRESIDENT'S ACHILLES HEEL. >> YOU RECENTLY VISITED THE 100 00:12:09,495 --> 00:12:20,005 SOUTHERN BORDER AND EMBRACED PRESIDENT BIDEN'S RECENT CRACK DOWN ON ASYLUM SEEKERS. AND THAT CRACKDOWN PRODUCED AN 101 00:12:20,072 --> 00:12:30,049 ALMOST IMMEDIATE AND DRAMATIC DECREASE IN THE NUMBER OF BORDER CROSSINGS. IF THAT'S THE RIGHT ANSWER NOW, 102 00:12:30,116 --> 00:12:36,956 WHY DIDN'T YOUR ADMINISTRATION TAKE THOSE STEPS IN 2021? >> THE FIRST BILL WE PROPOSED TO CONGRESS WAS TO FIX OUR BROKEN 103 00:12:37,022 --> 00:12:49,902 IMMIGRATION SYSTEM, KNOWING THAT IF YOU WANT TO ACTUALLY FIX IT, WE NEED CONGRESS TO ACT. IT WAS NOT TAKEN UP. 104 00:12:49,969 --> 00:12:58,777 FAST FORWARD TO A MOMENT WHEN A BIPARTISAN GROUP OF MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE, INCLUDING ONE OF 105 00:12:58,844 --> 00:13:01,080 THE MOST CONSERVATIVE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE GOT TOGETHER, CAME UP WITH A BORDER SECURITY BILL. 106 00:13:01,147 --> 00:13:08,387 WELL, GUESS WHAT HAPPENED? DONALD TRUMP GOT WORD THAT THIS BILL WAS AFOOT AND COULD BE PASSED AND HE WANTS TO RUN ON A 107 00:13:08,454 --> 00:13:14,627 PROBLEM INSTEAD OF FIXING A PROBLEM, SO HE TOLD HIS BUDDIES IN CONGRESS, KILL THE BILL. DON'T LET IT MOVE FORWARD. 108 00:13:14,693 --> 00:13:21,934 >> BUT I'VE BEEN COVERING THE BORDER FOR YEARS, AND SO I KNOW THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM THAT STARTED WITH YOUR 109 00:13:22,001 --> 00:13:28,174 ADMINISTRATION. >> CORRECT. CORRECT. >> BUT THERE WAS AN HISTORIC 110 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:34,613 FLOOD OF UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF YOUR ADMINISTRATION. 111 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:45,291 AS A MATTER OF FACT, ARRIVALS QUADRUPLED FROM THE LAST YEAR OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. WAS IT A MISTAKE TO LOOSEN THE 112 00:13:45,357 --> 00:13:53,199 IMMIGRATION POLICIES AS MUCH AS YOU DID? >> IT'S A LONG STANDING PROBLEM. AND SOLUTIONS ARE AT HAND, AND 113 00:13:53,265 --> 00:14:03,375 FROM DAY ONE LITERALLY, WE HAVE BEEN OFFERING SOLUTIONS. >> WHAT I WAS ASKING WAS WAS IT A MISTAKE TO KIND OF ALLOW THAT 114 00:14:03,442 --> 00:14:09,882 FLOOD TO HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE? >> I THINK -- THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE BEEN PROPOSING ARE ABOUT 115 00:14:09,949 --> 00:14:16,422 FIXING A PROBLEM, NOT PROMOTING A PROBLEM. OKAY. >> BUT THE NUMBERS DID QUADRUPLE 116 00:14:16,488 --> 00:14:25,164 >> AND THE NUMBERS TODAY BECAUSE OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE CUT THE FLOW OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION BY HALF. 117 00:14:25,231 --> 00:14:32,371 >> SHOULD YOU HAVE DONE THAT -- >> WE HAVE CUT THE FLOW OF FENTANYL BY HALF, BUT WE NEED CONGRESS TO BE ABLE TO ACT TO 118 00:14:32,438 --> 00:14:43,082 ACTUALLY FIX THE PROBLEM. >> YOU HAVE ACCUSED DONALD TRUMP OF USING RACIST TROPES WHEN IT COMES TO HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS IN 119 00:14:43,148 --> 00:14:48,420 SPRINGFIELD, OHIO. WHEN IT COMES TO BIRTHERISM, WHEN IT COMES TO CHARLOTTESVILLE. 120 00:14:48,487 --> 00:14:57,196 IN FACT, YOU HAVE CALLED HIM A RACIST AND DIVISIVE. YET DONALD TRUMP HAS THE SUPPORT OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF 121 00:14:57,263 --> 00:15:02,901 AMERICANS. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT? >> I AM GLAD YOU'RE POINTING THESE COMMENTS OUT THAT HE HAS 122 00:15:02,968 --> 00:15:09,775 MADE THAT HVE RESULTED IN A RESPONSE BY MOST REASONABLE PEOPLE TO SAY IT'S JUST WRONG. IT'S JUST WRONG. 123 00:15:09,842 --> 00:15:18,517 >> SO MANY PEOPLE SUPPORTING DONALD TRUMP, A MAN YOU HAVE CALLED A RACIST, HOW DO YOU BRIDGE THAT SEEMINGLY 124 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:30,863 UNBRIDGEABLE GAP? >> I BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA WANT A LEADER WHO'S NOT TRYING TO DIVIDE US AND 125 00:15:30,929 --> 00:15:36,235 DEMEANOR. I BELIEVE THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE RECOGNIZE THAT THE TRUE MEASURE OF THE STRENGTH OF A 126 00:15:36,302 --> 00:15:41,607 LEADER IS NOT BASED ON WHO YOU BEAT DOWN. IT'S BASED ON WHO YOU LIFT UP. [ APPLAUSE ]. 127 00:15:41,674 --> 00:15:48,747 >> THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN HOPSCOTCHING THE COUNTRY AND WITH LESS THAN A MONTH TO GO, THE PACE IS PICKING UP. 128 00:15:48,814 --> 00:15:54,019 THE VICE PRESIDENT TOLD US SHE HAS LOST TRACK OF HOW MANY STATES SHE'S VISITED. >> HOW ARE YOU DOING? 129 00:15:54,086 --> 00:15:59,591 >> I'M DOING WELL. >> YOU WELL? >> WE JOINED HER ON THE TRAIL LATE LAST WEEK IN THE CRUCIAL 130 00:15:59,658 --> 00:16:09,201 SWING STATE OF WISCONSIN IN THE TOWN OF RIPPON, THE BIRTHPLACE IN 1854 OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. [ APPLAUSE ] AND AT A RALLY 131 00:16:09,268 --> 00:16:15,407 PLASTERED WITH COUNTRY OVER PARTY BANNERS, HARRIS APPEARED WITH STAUNCH CONSERVATIVE LIZ CHENEY. 132 00:16:15,474 --> 00:16:21,680 AS VICE CHAIR OF THE HOUSE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE, CHENEY BECAME ONE OF DONALD TRUMP'S FIERCEST CRITICS. 133 00:16:21,747 --> 00:16:33,058 >> I HAVE NEVER VOTED FOR A DEMOCRAT, BUT THIS YEAR I AM PROUDLY CASTING MY VOTE FOR VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS. 134 00:16:33,125 --> 00:16:40,933 [ APPLAUSE ]. >> THAT PROCLAMATION SPURRED A CHANT OF APPROVAL FROM THE CROWD. 135 00:16:40,999 --> 00:16:46,171 >>. [ CHANTING THANK YOU, LIZ ] >> FOUR YEARS AGO IF SOMEONE HAD TOLD YOU YOU WOULD BE 136 00:16:46,238 --> 00:16:51,810 CAMPAIGNING WITH LIZ CHENEY, WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE SAID TO THEM? >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 137 00:16:51,877 --> 00:16:57,649 SHE'S REALLY DIPLOMATIC. >> WOULD YOU EVER HAVE THOUGHT YOU WOULD BE CAMPAIGNING WITH KAMALA HARRIS? 138 00:16:57,716 --> 00:17:03,822 >> I HOPE THAT IF YOU HAD SAID TO ME FOUR YEARS AGO OUR CONSTITUTION IS GOING TO BE UNDER THREAT AND IT'S GOING TO 139 00:17:03,889 --> 00:17:10,729 BE CRUCIAL FOR THE PARTIES TO COME TOGETHER AND TO SUPPORT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS BECAUSE SHE'LL DEFEND THE RULE OF LAW, I 140 00:17:10,796 --> 00:17:15,934 KNOW I WOULD HAVE SAID THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'LL DO. >> I THANK YOU ALL -- >> WHOEVER WINS THE PRESIDENCY 141 00:17:16,001 --> 00:17:22,307 WILL TAKE ON A HOST OF DAUNTING CHALLENGES, ESPECIALLY BEYOND OUR BORDERS. BACK IN WASHINGTON, VICE 142 00:17:22,374 --> 00:17:30,983 PRESIDENT HARRIS TOLD US SHE'S DETERMINED THE U.S. MUST WIN THE ECONOMIC COMPETITION WITH CHINA FOR THE 21st CENTURY. 143 00:17:31,049 --> 00:17:37,222 AND AS FOR THE WAR BETWEEN RUSSIA AND UKRAINE? >> WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE IN ENDING THE WAR IN UKRAINE? 144 00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:45,264 >> THERE WILL BE NO SUCCESS IN ENDING THAT WAR WITHOUT UKRAINE AND THE U.N. CHARTER PARTICIPATING IN WHAT THAT 145 00:17:45,330 --> 00:17:54,206 SUCCESS LOOKS LIKE. >> WOULD YOU MEET WITH PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN TO NEGOTIATE A SOLUTION TO THE WAR IN UKRAINE? 146 00:17:54,273 --> 00:17:59,478 >> NOT BILATERALLY WITHOUT UKRAINE, NO. UKRAINE MUST HAVE A SAY IN THE FUTURE OF UKRAINE. 147 00:17:59,545 --> 00:18:09,488 >> AS PRESIDENT, WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE EFFORT TO EXPAND NATO TO INCLUDE UKRAINE? >> THOSE ARE ALL ISSUES THAT WE 148 00:18:09,555 --> 00:18:15,794 WILL DEAL WITH IF AND WHEN IT ARRIVES AT THAT POINT. RIGHT NOW, WE ARE SUPPORTING UKRAINE'S ABILITY TO DEFEND 149 00:18:15,861 --> 00:18:22,768 ITSELF AGAINST RUSSIA'S UNPROVOKED AGGRESSION. DONALD TRUMP, IF HE WERE PRESIDENT, PUTIN WOULD BE 150 00:18:22,835 --> 00:18:29,208 SITTING IN KYIV RIGHT NOW. HE TALKS ABOUT, OH, HE CAN END IT ON DAY ONE. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? 151 00:18:29,274 --> 00:18:38,617 IT'S ABOUT SURRENDER. >> A HARD LEFT TURN HERE, BUT YOU RECENTLY SURPRISED PEOPLE WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE A GUN 152 00:18:38,684 --> 00:18:44,356 OWNER AND THAT IF SOMEONE CAME INTO YOUR HOUSE -- >> THAT IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. 153 00:18:44,423 --> 00:18:51,864 >> THEY WOULD GET SHOT. >> WHAT KIND OF GUN DO YOU OWN AND WHEN AND WHY DID YOU GET IT? >> I HAVE A GLOCK, AND I'VE HAD 154 00:18:51,930 --> 00:19:00,606 IT FOR QUITE SOME TIME, AND I MEAN, LOOK, BILL, MY BACKGROUND IS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND -- SO THERE YOU GO. 155 00:19:00,672 --> 00:19:07,312 >> HAVE YOU EVER FIRED IT? >> YES. OF COURSE I HAVE, AT A SHOOTING RANGE. 156 00:19:07,379 --> 00:19:17,289 YES, OF COURSE I HAVE. >> WHEN WE COME BACK, VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TIM WALZ GETS THE "60 MINUTES" TREATMENT, 157 00:19:17,356 --> 00:19:21,527 AND KAMALA HARRIS TALKS ABOUT WHY DONALD TRUMP DECIDED NOT TO. 158 00:19:28,934 --> 00:19:36,275 >>> DEMOCRATIC VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TIM WALZ WAS LITTLE-KNOWN OUTSIDE OF MINNESOTA JUST TWO MONTHS AGO. 159 00:19:36,341 --> 00:19:42,180 HE DIDN'T EXACTLY COME FROM NOWHERE. HE WAS A SIX-TERM CONGRESSMAN AND NOW IS GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA 160 00:19:42,247 --> 00:19:48,520 WHERE HE HAS CHAMPIONED ABORTION RIGHTS, GUN CONTROL, AND OTHER PROGRESSIVE IDEAS. BUT IT WAS CALLING FORMER 161 00:19:48,587 --> 00:19:57,563 PRESIDENT TRUMP AND SENATOR J.D. VANCE WEIRD THAT MAY HAVE HANDED HIM ON THE TICKET. >> TWO MONTHS AGO, YOU AND 162 00:19:57,629 --> 00:20:04,503 KAMALA HARRIS BARELY KNEW EACH OTHER. NOW YOU'RE RUNNING TOGETHER, VYING FOR THE TOP OFFICES IN THE 163 00:20:04,570 --> 00:20:08,974 LAND. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE THAT YOU AGREE ON EVERYTHING. >> YEAH. 164 00:20:09,041 --> 00:20:14,880 >> WHAT HAVE BEEN SOME DISAGREEMENTS YOU'VE HAD SINCE YOU BECAME A TEAM? >> WELL, SHE PROBABLY DISAGREED 165 00:20:14,947 --> 00:20:21,553 WITH, SHE SAID, TIM, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL ON HOW YOU SAY THINGS, WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. 166 00:20:21,620 --> 00:20:28,427 >> WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, WALZ HAS BEEN CRITICIZED FOR EMBELLISHING OR TELLING OUTRIGHT FALSEHOODS ABOUT HIS MILITARY 167 00:20:28,493 --> 00:20:34,166 RECORD AND ABOUT HIS TRAVELS TO ASIA UNTIL THE 1980s. >> IN YOUR DEBATE WITH J.D. VANCE, YOU SAID, I'M A KNUCKLE 168 00:20:34,232 --> 00:20:42,507 HEAD AT TIMES, AND I THINK YOU WERE REFERRING TO THE TIME THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE IN HONG KONG DURING THE TIANANMEN SQUARE 169 00:20:42,574 --> 00:20:48,413 UNREST WHEN YOU WERE NOT. >> YEAH. >> IS THAT KIND OF MISREPRESENTATION, ISN'T THAT 170 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:56,088 MORE THAN JUST BEING A KNUCKLE HEAD? >> I THINK FOLKS KNOW WHO I AM, AND I THINK THEY KNOW THE 171 00:20:56,154 --> 00:21:02,494 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEONE EXPRESSING EMOTION, TELLING A STORY, GETTING A DATE WRONG, RATHER A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR LIKE 172 00:21:02,561 --> 00:21:11,570 DONALD TRUMP. >> BUT I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO THE QUESTION OF WHETHER YOU CAN BE TRUSTED TO TELL THE TRUTH? 173 00:21:11,637 --> 00:21:18,276 >> YEAH, WELL, I THINK I CAN. I WILL OWN UP TO BEING A KNUCKLE HEAD AT TIMES, BUT THE FOLKS CLOSEST TO ME KNOW THAT I KEEP 174 00:21:18,343 --> 00:21:27,085 MY WORD. >> WALZ PROUDLY TOUTS HIS RECORD AS GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA. BUT IT ALSO HAS OPENED HIM UP TO 175 00:21:27,152 --> 00:21:33,892 CRITICISM FROM HIS REPUBLICAN OPPONENTS. FORMER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS THAT 176 00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:39,865 YOU AND YOUR ADMINISTRATION IN MINNESOTA HAS BEEN DANGEROUSLY LIBERAL. RADICAL LEFT, HE CALLS IT. 177 00:21:39,931 --> 00:21:47,939 SO WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT CRITICISM THAT RATHER THAN LEADING THE WAY, YOU AND MINNESOTA ARE ACTUALLY OUT OF 178 00:21:48,006 --> 00:21:52,611 STEP WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTRY? >> PRESIDENT TRUMP MAY BE REFERRING TO THAT -- THAT OUR 179 00:21:52,678 --> 00:21:58,750 CHILDREN GET BREAKFAST AND LUNCH IN SCHOOL SO THAT THEY CAN LEARN. HE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT WE HAVE 180 00:21:58,817 --> 00:22:04,923 A PAID FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE POLICY THAT WAS PROMOTED BY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. DONALD TRUMP SPENDS HIS TAME 181 00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:12,264 TEARING DOWN STATES RATHER THAN LIFTING UP THE THINGS WE DO. THE BEST OF IT. DONALD TRUMP'S CRITIQUES OF 182 00:22:12,330 --> 00:22:17,969 THAT, NOT ONLY ARE THEY WRONG, BUT I'M WAITING FOR, WHAT IS HIS SOLUTION? HERE IN MINNESOTA, WE'RE SO 183 00:22:18,036 --> 00:22:25,010 OPTIMISTIC WE WALK ON WATER HALF THE YEAR. >> IT WAS THAT KIND OF HUMOR AND CANDOR THAT HELPED LAND TIM WALZ 184 00:22:25,077 --> 00:22:32,617 THE JOB AS KAMALA HARRIS'S RUNNING MALT. >> BEFORE YOU JOINED THE TICKET, YOU CALLED REPUBLICANS WEIRD. 185 00:22:32,684 --> 00:22:38,156 AND THAT'S SORT OF BECOME A RALLYING CRY FOR DEMOCRATS. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT LABEL STUCK? 186 00:22:38,223 --> 00:22:42,694 >> I WAS REALLY TALKING ABOUT THE BEHAVIORS. BEING OBSESSED WITH PEOPLE'S PERSONAL LIVES IN THEIR BEDROOMS 187 00:22:42,761 --> 00:22:50,202 AND THEIR REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, MAKING UP STORIES ABOUT LEGAL FOLKS LEGALLY HERE EATING CATTLES AND DOGS. 188 00:22:50,268 --> 00:22:55,874 THEY'RE DEHUMANIZING, THEY GO BEYOND WEIRD. I SAID THIS, IT BECOMES ALMOST DANGEROUS. 189 00:22:55,941 --> 00:23:04,883 LET'S DEBATE POLICY IN A REAL WAY, AND LET'S TRY AND FIND AN OBJECTIVE TRUTH AGAIN. >> GOD BLESS AMERICA. 190 00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:10,822 >> KAMALA HARRIS AND TIM WALZ ARE IN A FULL SPRINT TO NOVEMBER 5th, HOPING THEIR ARGUMENTS WILL GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO CROSS THE 191 00:23:10,889 --> 00:23:22,601 LINE AHEAD OF DONALD TRUMP AND J.D. VANCE. YOU ARE SITTING HERE WITH US. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN CANCELED AN 192 00:23:22,667 --> 00:23:29,541 INTERVIEW THAT THEY HAD AGREED TO, TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS BROADCAST. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? 193 00:23:29,608 --> 00:23:36,348 >> IF HE IS NOT GOING TO GIVE YOUR VIEWERS THE ABILITY TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL, THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION, QUESTION AND 194 00:23:36,414 --> 00:23:45,190 ANSWER WITH YOU, THEN WATCH HIS RALLIES. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE ABOUT 195 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:54,833 HIMSELF AND ALL OF HIS PERSONAL GRIEVANCES. AND WHAT YOU WILL NOT HEAR IS ANYTHING ABOUT YOU, THE 196 00:23:54,900 --> 00:24:02,107 LISTENER. YOU WILL NOT HEAR ABOUT HOW HE IS GOING TO TRY TO BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER, FIND COMMON 197 00:24:02,174 --> 00:24:14,452 GROUND. AND, BILL, THAT IS WHY I BELIEVE IN MY SOUL AND HEART THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE READY TO 198 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:20,759 TURN THE PAGE. >>> MORE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET. PLUS, ONE YEAR COVERING RAPIDLY 199 00:24:20,826 --> 00:24:28,300 ESCALATING CONFLICT IN THE MIDDLE EAST. >> CIVILIANS CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE AS ALWAYS ARE THE ONES 200 00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:39,277 SUFFERING THE 201 00:24:41,646 --> 00:24:45,851 >>> WITH DONALD TRUMP PULLING OUT OF HIS "60 MINUTES" INTERVIEW TONIGHT, WE'LL TURN TO A DIFFERENT REPUBLICAN WHO IS 202 00:24:45,917 --> 00:24:55,627 PAYING THE PRICE FOR TRUMP'S CLAIMS OF A STOLEN 2020 ELECTION. STEPHEN RICHER 203 00:24:55,694 --> 00:25:00,765 HELPS ADMINISTER VOTING IN MARICOPA COUNTY, ARIZONA. THAT'S PHOENIX AND HOME TO 60% OF ARIZONA VOTERS. 204 00:25:00,832 --> 00:25:09,274 MARICOPA IS OFTEN DECISIVE IN A STATE WHICH SWINGS EITHER WAY. TRUMP CLAIMED MARICOPA COUNTY WAS STOLEN IN 2020. 205 00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:18,750 REPUBLICAN STEPHEN RICHER WAS DETERMINED TO FIND THE TRUTH, TO RESTORE BELIEF IN THE BALLOT. HE DISCOVERED THAT TRUTH WASN'T 206 00:25:18,817 --> 00:25:27,192 WHAT MANY WANTED TO HEAR. >> I'VE BECOME MUCH MORE CYNICAL ABOUT POLITICS. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO 207 00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:32,464 HAVE NO LINES IN THE SAND. A LOT OF POLITICIANS. A LOT OF POLITICIANS FOR WHOM IT'S LIKE OXYGEN, THAT IF YOU 208 00:25:32,530 --> 00:25:38,303 TOLD THEM THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE REELECTED, IT WOULD BE LIKE UNPLUGGING THEM FROM OXYGEN. SO WHICHEVER WAY THE WINDS ARE 209 00:25:38,370 --> 00:25:43,642 BLOWING, EVEN IF IT'S HIGHLY IMMORAL, THAT THEY'RE ON -- THEY'RE ON FOR THE RIDE. >> WHAT ARE YOUR FEARS FOR THIS 210 00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:49,915 COMING ELECTION DAY? >> THAT WE'LL -- WE'LL BE DOING THIS AGAIN FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. 211 00:25:49,981 --> 00:25:58,290 >> NEARLY FOUR YEARS AGO, REPUBLICAN ATTORNEY STEPHEN RICHER WAS THE VOTER'S CHOICE FOR MARICOPA COUNTY RECORDER, 212 00:25:58,356 --> 00:26:06,865 THE OFFICE THAT RECORDS VOTER REGISTRATION AND HANDLES BALLOTS BY MAIL. RICHER TOOK OFFICE AFTER THE 213 00:26:06,932 --> 00:26:13,672 2020 VOTE WHEN HIS OWN PARTY WAS UP IN ARMS OVER ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD. IT WAS RICHER'S FIRST ELECTED 214 00:26:13,738 --> 00:26:21,046 OFFICE AND HE KNEW WHAT TO DO. >> THEY JUST NEED ANSWERS. IT -- IT -- IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED OF AN ISSUE. 215 00:26:21,112 --> 00:26:25,317 IT'S JUST PEOPLE ARE UNCERTAIN. THEY EXPECTED DONALD TRUMP TO WIN. I EXPECTED DONALD TRUMP TO WIN 216 00:26:25,383 --> 00:26:31,089 IN MARICOPA COUNTY. HE DIDN'T WIN. THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. AS SOON AS WE GIVE THEM LOGICAL, 217 00:26:31,156 --> 00:26:38,029 FACTUAL ANSWERS, ALL WILL BE WELL. >> AND THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED? >> THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. 218 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:46,438 >> THE LOGICAL, FACTUAL ANSWERS CAME AFTER MULTIPLE INVESTIGATIONS. A HAND RECOUNT OF MARICOPA 219 00:26:46,504 --> 00:26:59,117 COUNTY'S 2.1 MILLION PAPER BALLOTS CONFIRMED JOE BIDEN WON. STATEWIDE, PROSECUTIONS FOR ILLEGAL VOTING INVOLVED A TOTAL 220 00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:04,456 OF 19 BALLOTS. IN MARICOPA, 50 BALLOTS HAD BEEN COUNTED TWICE FOR A TYPICAL REASON. 221 00:27:04,522 --> 00:27:11,329 >> SOMEBODY MADE A MISTAKE. A HUMAN BEING MADE A MISTAKE. THERE WERE 2.1 MILLION BALLOTS CAST IN THE 2020 ELECTION. 222 00:27:11,396 --> 00:27:16,101 THESE 50 SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN TABULATED. BY NO MEANS WERE THE 50 ALL FOR ONE CANDIDATE OR ANOTHER, SO IT 223 00:27:16,167 --> 00:27:23,508 HAD A NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT ON THE ACTUAL CONTEST. >> NEGLIGIBLE, TOO, BECAUSE TRUMP LOST MARICOPA COUNTY BY 224 00:27:23,575 --> 00:27:31,249 45,109 VOTES. >> WHAT EVIDENCE OF WIDESPREAD FRAUD WAS FOUND IN MARICOPA COUNTY IN 2020? 225 00:27:31,316 --> 00:27:39,324 >> OH, NONE. AND I WOULD SAY MARICOPA COUNTY'S 2020 ELECTION IS THE MOST SCRUTINIZED ELECTION IN 226 00:27:39,391 --> 00:27:48,299 HUMAN HISTORY. >> WHEN YOU BEGAN TO TELL YOUR FELLOW REPUBLICANS IN MARICOPA COUNTY THAT THE ELECTION WAS 227 00:27:48,366 --> 00:27:53,071 FAIR AND THERE WAS NO FRAUD THAT WOULD CHANGE THE OUTCOME, HOW DID THEY REACT TO YOU? >> NOT WELL. 228 00:27:53,138 --> 00:28:04,182 YEAH. NOT WELL AT ALL. >> THEY INCLUDED TRUMP WHO SAID, QUOTE THE ENTIRE DATABASE OF 229 00:28:04,249 --> 00:28:12,123 MARICOPA COUNTY IN ARIZONA HAS BEEN DELETED. HE CALLED IT AN UNBELIEVABLE ELECTION CRIME." 230 00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:16,361 >> IT WAS A SATURDAY AFTERNOON, AND I WAS IN THE OFFICE LOOKING AT THE VERY THING THAT HE WAS SAYING WE HAD DELETED. 231 00:28:16,428 --> 00:28:23,234 AND SO JUST SORT OF THE -- LIKE THE -- THE -- THE LUDICROUS NATURE OF IT, IT JUST IS -- IS -- IS OFFENSIVE. 232 00:28:23,301 --> 00:28:29,007 >> WHAT DID YOU SAY IN RESPONSE TO WHAT THE PRESIDENT HAD WRITTEN? >> I SAID SOMETHING LIKE, THIS 233 00:28:29,074 --> 00:28:37,482 IS UNHINGED. I'M LOOKING AT THE VOTER REGISTRATION DATABASE RIGHT NOW. THESE LIES HAVE TO STOP. 234 00:28:37,549 --> 00:28:44,322 THIS IS AS DISPROVABLE AS SAYING TWO PLUS TWO EQUALS FIVE. >> AND THE REACTION WAS WHAT? >> THE REACTION WAS SIGNIFICANT. 235 00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:50,662 >> THREE VIOLENT THREATS TO STEPHEN RICHER HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED. ONE MAN GOT THREE AND A HALF 236 00:28:50,728 --> 00:28:57,001 YEARS. THE OTHERS ARE AWAITING TRIAL. >> WHAT WE SEE HERE IS YOUR PUBLIC STATEMENT SAYING THAT 237 00:28:57,068 --> 00:29:03,475 THIS WAS NOT CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET. >> UNDAUNTED, RICHER EXPLAINED THE FACTS. 238 00:29:03,541 --> 00:29:10,215 HERE, IN 2021, HE WAS HECKLED AND FOLLOWED TO HIS CAR. >> PEOPLE WERE BANGING ON MY WINDSHIELD AS I GOT INTO THE 239 00:29:10,281 --> 00:29:19,457 CAR. >> WHAT WERE THEY SHOUTING? >> TURNCOAT, YOU'RE WRONG, YOU'RE AN IDIOT, DON'T BE A 240 00:29:19,524 --> 00:29:31,469 TRAITOR, HOW COULD YOU. >> THE FEVER HAS NEVER BROKEN. THIS WAS THREE MONTHS AGO. >> I DO NOT BELIEVE THE 2020 241 00:29:31,536 --> 00:29:39,811 ELECTION WAS STOLEN. >> BOOOOO! >> SO WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE REMAIN PASSIONATELY UNCONVINCED? 242 00:29:39,878 --> 00:29:47,752 >> I THINK IT HAS BECOME THE -- THE -- THE TATTOO. I THINK IT HAS BECOME THE TATTOO TO SHOW THAT YOU'RE A TRUE 243 00:29:47,819 --> 00:29:54,058 BELIEVER OF THE MOVEMENT. >> YOU BELIEVE THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN. >> I DO. 244 00:29:54,125 --> 00:30:00,398 >> SHELBY BUSCH STARTED A POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE WHICH INVESTIGATES WHAT SHE CALLS WIDESPREAD FRAUD IN MARICOPA 245 00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:09,941 COUNTY, FRAUD NO CREDIBLE INVESTIGATION HAS FOUND. SHE'S TAKEN IN NEARLY A MILLION DOLLARS IN DONATIONS FOR THE 246 00:30:10,008 --> 00:30:17,382 WORK OF HER PAC. AND THE ARIZONA REPUBLICAN PARTY AWARDED HER THE LEADERSHIP OF ITS DELEGATION AT LAST SUMMER'S 247 00:30:17,448 --> 00:30:26,157 NATIONAL CONVENTION. >> AND THAT'S WHY I, SHELBY BUSCH, THE DELEGATION CHAIR AND OUR WONDERFUL STATE CHAIRWOMAN 248 00:30:26,224 --> 00:30:39,404 GINA SWOBODA, AND THIS ENTIRE DELEGATION CAST THEIR 43 DELEGATES TO DONALD J. TRUMP. >> YOU ARE A RISING STAR IN THE 249 00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:47,312 STATE PARTY. >> WELL, I DEFINITELY HAVE BROUGHT SOME ATTENTION ON TO MYSELF, THAT IS FOR SURE. 250 00:30:47,378 --> 00:30:55,253 >> WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE HAPPENED IN THE MARICOPA VOTE IN 2020? >> I BELIEVE THAT FRAUDULENT VOTES WERE PUT INTO THE SYSTEM. 251 00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:01,693 I ALSO BELIEVE THAT A LOT OF STATE STATUTES AND REGULATIONS AND POLICIES WERE BROKE, WHICH MAKES THE ELECTION QUESTIONABLE 252 00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:11,536 AT BEST. >> BUSCH STILL QUESTIONS WHETHER SIGNATURE VERIFICATION WAS PROPER AND WHETHER SOME BALLOTS 253 00:31:11,603 --> 00:31:16,975 WERE COLLECTED ILLEGALLY. SHE'S AN ADMINISTRATOR IN A MEDICAL PRACTICE. >> YOU'RE SELF-EDUCATED -- 254 00:31:17,041 --> 00:31:22,213 >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> -- WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTIONS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. 255 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:28,586 >> IN A RECENT CASE A JUDGE DISQUALIFIED YOU FROM TESTIFYING IN THE CASE BECAUSE HE SAID YOU WERE, QUOTE, OBVIOUSLY 256 00:31:28,653 --> 00:31:38,029 UNQUALIFIED, NOT EVEN IN THE BALLPARK. >> THAT'S ONE JUDGE'S OPINION, WHO IS A RADICAL LEFTIST WHO IS 257 00:31:38,096 --> 00:31:43,067 LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IT HAD ANY MERIT IN MY CREDIBILITY WHATSOEVER. 258 00:31:43,134 --> 00:31:54,912 >> IS THERE A DANGER IN UNDERMINING PEOPLE'S FAITH IN THE ELECTION SYSTEM BY PERSISTING WITH THESE CONSPIRACY 259 00:31:54,979 --> 00:31:59,517 THEORIES THAT NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO VALIDATE? >> AGAIN, I'M GOING TO DISAGREE WITH YOU, SIR, RESPECTFULLY. 260 00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:02,887 IT HAS BEEN VALIDATED. AND BECAUSE -- >> WHERE? BY WHOM? 261 00:32:02,954 --> 00:32:09,227 >> THE ELECTION OFFICIALS -- >> GIVE ME -- GIVE ME A COURT CASE. GIVE ME SOMETHING. 262 00:32:09,294 --> 00:32:16,067 >> I DON'T NEED A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN DISPROVING INFORMATION TO TELL ME WHETHER WHAT I HAVE IS 263 00:32:16,134 --> 00:32:23,474 VALID. IT'S UP TO EACH INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN, AS A MEMBER OF THIS SOCIETY, TO REVIEW THE EVIDENCE, 264 00:32:23,541 --> 00:32:27,145 TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES AND MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. >> IT'S VALID CAUSE YOU SAY IT IS. 265 00:32:27,211 --> 00:32:31,382 >> I SAY IT'S VALID BECAUSE I SAY IT IS. AND IF SOMEBODY LOOKS AT IT, THEY CAN DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S 266 00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:38,790 VALID. THE EVIDENCE SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. DATA DOES NOT LIE. DATA DOESN'T LIE. 267 00:32:38,856 --> 00:32:45,663 ELECTION OFFICIALS DO. >> THE ELECTION WAS NOT STOLEN. IT WAS LOST. >> ATTORNEY BEN GINSBERG HAS 268 00:32:45,730 --> 00:32:59,344 REPRESENTED THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN MANY OF ITS MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION CASES. IN 2022, HE JOINED CONSERVATIVE 269 00:32:59,410 --> 00:33:05,783 JUDGES AND SENATORS IN LOST, NOT STOLEN. AN INVESTIGATION THAT EXPOSES ELECTION FRAUD LIES. 270 00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:13,725 PART OF IT CENTERS ON TRUMP'S SWING STATE LAWSUITS. >> DONALD TRUMP AND HIS SUPPORTERS BROUGHT 64 CASES. 271 00:33:13,791 --> 00:33:23,801 THEY LOST 63 OF THEM OUTRIGHT. THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS A PARTIAL VICTORY INVOLVING 200 VOTES, FAR FROM OUTCOME DETERMINATIVE. 272 00:33:23,868 --> 00:33:30,608 >> AND ALL OF THAT TOLD YOU WHAT? >> THE EVIDENCE TO BACK UP THE ALLEGATIONS OF FRAUD AND 273 00:33:30,675 --> 00:33:37,482 ELECTIONS BEING UNRELIABLE SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST. >> THE ELECTION DENIERS IN ARIZONA WILL SAY, WE DID LOSE 274 00:33:37,548 --> 00:33:45,390 ALL THOSE CASES, BUT THE JUDGES WEREN'T FAIR. >> UNDER THE RULE OF LAW, YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SUBMIT YOUR 275 00:33:45,456 --> 00:33:54,332 LITIGATION, BUT UNDER THE RULE OF LAW, A CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLE, A REPUBLICAN PRINCIPLE FOR AS LONG AS I'VE 276 00:33:54,399 --> 00:34:01,806 BEEN PRACTICING ELECTION LAW, YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT THE RULINGS OF THE COURT. >> I DON'T HAVE TIME, FRANKLY, 277 00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:07,712 TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER PEOPLE BELIEVE ME OR QUESTION MY INTEGRITY. I HAVE WHAT I BELIEVE IS THE 278 00:34:07,779 --> 00:34:14,419 MISSION THAT I AM ON, AND THAT MISSION IS FOR MY CHILDREN AND MY GRANDCHILDREN. I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE FRIENDS. 279 00:34:14,485 --> 00:34:20,425 I AM HERE TO DO A JOB. >> WHERE DOES THAT MANDATE FOR THAT MISSION COME FROM? >> IT COMES FROM MY OWN PERSONAL 280 00:34:20,491 --> 00:34:33,938 DRIVE, AND IT ALSO COMES FROM, I BELIEVE, A CALLING FROM GOD. >> MR. CHAIR AND BOARD. >> IT HAS BEEN A CALLING FOR 281 00:34:34,005 --> 00:34:38,476 MANY. >> FEAR GOD. >> OVER NEARLY FOUR YEARS IN MEETINGS OF THE REPUBLICAN-LED 282 00:34:38,543 --> 00:34:40,478 MARICOPA OUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WHICH CERTIFIES THE VOTE. >> VENEZUELA, DOMINION MACHINE. 283 00:34:40,545 --> 00:34:49,987 >> OUR ELECTION IN AMERICA IS A JOKE AND MARICOPA IS A JOKE. >> YOU ARE THE CANCER THAT IS TEARING THIS NATION APART! 284 00:34:50,054 --> 00:34:57,962 GOOD DAY! >> HAVE YOU BEEN ACCUSED OF TREASON? >> OH, YEAH. 285 00:34:58,029 --> 00:35:04,368 TREASON, MURDERING FELLOW OFFICIALS THAT WOULD TALK. >> REPUBLICAN CLINT HICKMAN HAS BEEN A COUNTY SUPERVISOR 11 286 00:35:04,435 --> 00:35:14,512 YEARS. IN 2020 HE WAS AMONG TRUMP'S MOST LOYAL SUPPORTERS. >> MARICOPA COUNTY SUPERVISOR 287 00:35:14,579 --> 00:35:22,753 CLINT HICKMAN. [ APPLAUSE ]. >> STILL PROUD THAT HE TOOK THE TIME TO CALL ME OUT AND THANK ME 288 00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:31,796 FOR THE WORK THAT I WAS TRYING TO ACCMPLISH. >> THANK YOU, CLINT. GOOD JOB, CLINT. 289 00:35:31,863 --> 00:35:38,503 >> BUT HICKMAN SAW NO EVIDENCE OF FRAUD AND SAID SO WHEN HE VOTED TO CERTIFY THE ELECTION. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 290 00:35:38,569 --> 00:35:42,573 AYE. >> YOU'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF DEATH THREATS. >> I'VE LOST COUNT. 291 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:49,213 I HAVE LOST COUNT. AND SO HAVE MY COLLEAGUES. AND SO HAVE -- SO HAVE ELECTION WORKERS. 292 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:57,121 >> WELL, YOU'VE LOST COUNT, BUT HERE'S ONE. >> HELLO, MR. HICKMAN, I AM GLAD THAT YOU ARE STANDING UP FOR 293 00:35:57,188 --> 00:36:02,627 DEMOCRACY AND WANT TO PLACE YOUR HAND ON THE BIBLE AND SAY THAT THE ELECTION WAS HONEST AND FAIR. 294 00:36:02,693 --> 00:36:09,834 I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. WHEN WE COME TO LYNCH YOUR STUPID LYING COMMIE [ BLEEP ] 295 00:36:09,901 --> 00:36:11,969 YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT YOU LIED ON THE [ BLEEP ] BIBLE, YOU PIECE OF 296 00:36:12,036 --> 00:36:18,342 [ BLEEP ] YOU'RE GONNA DIE, YOU PIECE OF [ BLEEP ] WE'RE GOING TO HANG YOU. 297 00:36:18,409 --> 00:36:25,216 WE'RE GOING TO HANG YOU. >> THAT MAN IS IN PRISON FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS, BUT THERE WERE OTHERS. 298 00:36:25,283 --> 00:36:35,192 >> BUT THE CHILLING ONE THAT YOU DIDN'T PLAY IS ONE OF THE GUYS SAID, WE KNOW THE RESTAURANTS THAT YOU ARE IN. 299 00:36:35,259 --> 00:36:47,338 AND WE KNOW WHERE YOUR KIDS GO TO SCHOOL. >> MENACE GREW IN THE SHADOWS AND EMERGED ON THE STAGE. 300 00:36:47,405 --> 00:36:55,780 >> I HEAR THE WORD UNITY, AND I GET SICK TO MY STOMACH. BECAUSE THERE IS A LOT OF EARTHLY FAKE AND VILE UNITY TALK 301 00:36:55,846 --> 00:37:07,058 GOING AROUND IN OUR STATE. >> THIS IS SHELBY BUSCH, THE MARICOPA COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY VICE-CHAIR TALKING ABOUT FELLOW 302 00:37:07,124 --> 00:37:15,366 REPUBLICAN STEPHEN RICHER THIS PAST MARCH. >> SO WHAT DOES UNITY MEAN TO ME? 303 00:37:15,433 --> 00:37:28,579 IT MEANS UNIFYING WITH THOSE THAT SHARE THE CORE BIBLICAL, CHRISTIAN JUDEO PRINCIPLES THAT WE SHARE. 304 00:37:28,646 --> 00:37:42,326 THAT'S UNITY. BUT IF STEPHEN RICHER WALKED IN THIS ROOM, I WOULD LYNCH HIM. I DON'T UNIFY WITH PEOPLE WHO 305 00:37:42,393 --> 00:37:48,633 DON'T BELIEVE IN THE PRINCIPLES WE BELIEVE IN AND THE AMERICAN CAUSE THAT FOUNDED THIS COUNTRY. >> WHEN YOU HEARD SHELBY BUSCH 306 00:37:48,699 --> 00:37:53,404 SAY THAT SHE WOULD LYNCH YOU -- >> YEAH. >> -- YOU THOUGHT WHAT? >> I FIRST THOUGHT LIKE, WHY IS 307 00:37:53,471 --> 00:38:04,582 THAT WORD IN YOUR VOCABULARY? LYNCH IS A WEIRDLY HISTORICALLY LOADED AND ODDLY SPECIFIC TERM. >> BUSCH OFFERED A MODIFIED 308 00:38:04,649 --> 00:38:11,956 DEFINITION OF LYNCHING. >> I THINK MANY PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH A POLITICAL LYNCHING. 309 00:38:12,023 --> 00:38:21,999 IT'S -- IT'S REFERRED TO AS DESTROYING SOMEONE'S CAREER. IT WAS NOT EVER MEANT PHYSICALLY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. 310 00:38:22,066 --> 00:38:30,474 PROBABLY A POOR CHOICE OF WORDS. >> YOU HAVE SEEN UNREST IN THIS COUNTY, THE CIVIL DISORDER IN THIS COUNTY. 311 00:38:30,541 --> 00:38:40,985 YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING TO THAT. >> WHAT I AM DOING IS I AM SHINING A BIG BRIGHT LIGHT ON THE DISDAIN AND THE ARROGANCE OF 312 00:38:41,052 --> 00:38:48,359 SOME OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS. THEY ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE. AND UNTIL THEY ARE READY TO STEP 313 00:38:48,426 --> 00:38:56,000 UP AND DO THAT, THEN THERE WILL BE UNREST. >> IS ELECTION DENIALISM A SWINDLE? 314 00:38:56,067 --> 00:39:01,739 >> OH, 100% SO FOR SOME PEOPLE. IT'S A SWINDLE EMOTIONALLY FOR SOME. IT'S A SWINDLE POLITICALLY FOR 315 00:39:01,806 --> 00:39:08,012 SOME. IT'S A SWINDLE ECONOMICALLY FOR SOME. >> THIS PAST JULY, STEPHEN 316 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:14,819 RICHER RAN IN THE PRIMARY FOR REELECTION. HE LOST TO A FELLOW REPUBLICAN WHO SAID MARICOPA ELECTIONS ARE 317 00:39:14,885 --> 00:39:26,964 A LAUGHINGSTOCK. RICHER MOVES ON AFTER THIS ELECTION LEAVING BEHIND HIS ENDURING CONTRIBUTION, THE 318 00:39:27,031 --> 00:39:39,110 FORTRESS DEFENSES AROUND THE CENTER WHERE THE VOTES ARE COUNTED, A WALL TO DEFEND AMERICA FROM AMERICANS. 319 00:39:39,176 --> 00:39:48,052 >> I HAVE SEEN SOME UGLINESS IN THE CHARACTER OF HUMAN BEINGS. IT HAS GIVEN ME GREAT INSIGHT INTO HORRIFIC MOMENTS OF HUMAN 320 00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,756 HISTORY. I WOULD LOOK AT SOME OF THESE HISTORICAL MOMENTS AND SAY, LIKE, WELL, THAT -- THAT -- THAT 321 00:39:51,822 --> 00:40:01,866 COULDN'T HAPPEN HERE. BUT MOMENTS LIKE THESE BEGIN TO GIVE YOU INSIGHT ON HOW STUFF LIKE THAT CAN BUILD UP, HOW THE 322 00:40:01,932 --> 00:40:08,639 ANIMAL PASSIONS, HOW GOING ALONG WITH THE CROWD, HOW THE EMOTIONS OF JUST BEING YOUR SIDE VERSUS THEIR SIDE. 323 00:40:08,706 --> 00:40:17,948 IT'S JUST TO SAY THAT SOME OF THE SAME HUMAN IMPULSES THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, NOW I DO UNDERSTAND. 324 00:40:18,015 --> 00:40:21,318 >> YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THINGS CAN GO WRONG? >> I UNDERSTAND HOW A SOCIETY OF EDUCATED PEOPLE CAN DO SOMETHING 325 00:40:21,385 --> 00:40:24,889 TRULY HORRIBLE. 326 00:40:34,732 --> 00:40:42,640 >>> THE LAST MINUTE OF 60 MINUTES IS SPOKESPERNSORED BY U HEALTH CARE, RELIABLE COVERAGE FOR YOUR WHOLE LIFE AHEAD. 327 00:40:45,409 --> 00:40:47,645 >>> ONE THING IS CERTAIN ABOUT THE ELECTION, FOUR WEEKS FROM TOMORROW. WHOEVER WINS WILL BECOME A 328 00:40:47,711 --> 00:40:55,352 WARTIME PRESIDENT. THE WARS ARE IN UKRAINE AND IN THE MIDDLE EAST. AND THE UNITED STATES IS DEEPLY 329 00:40:55,419 --> 00:41:05,963 INVOLVED IN BOTH, PROVIDING ARMS AND MONEY TO UKRAINE IN ITS WAR AGAINST RUSSIAN INVADERS, AND TO ISRAEL, IN THE WAR WITH HAMAS, 330 00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:12,336 AND NOW WITH HEZBOLLAH, THE HOUTHIS AND IRAN. ISRAEL'S WAR STARTED ONE YEAR AGO TODAY, 331 00:41:12,403 --> 00:41:21,312 WHEN THE PALESTINIAN MILITANT GROUP HAMAS LAUNCHED A SURPRISE TERROR ATTACK, STORMING ACROSS THE GAZA BORDER INTO ISRAEL, AS 332 00:41:21,378 --> 00:41:32,423 WE REPORTED THAT WEEK, TALKING TO SURVIVORS AMIR AND MIRI TIBON FROM THE NAHAL OZ KIBBUTZ. >> THE HAMAS TERRORISTS, I MEAN, 333 00:41:32,489 --> 00:41:39,296 THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF THEM AROUND AND INSIDE THE KIBBUTZ. THE -- THE NUMBERS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPREHEND. 334 00:41:39,363 --> 00:41:49,373 >> THERE ARE TWO KIBBUTZES NEAR YOURS, BE'ERI, AND KFAR AZZA. WHAT HAPPENED THERE? >> IN THOSE TWO COMMUNITIES, 335 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:56,747 HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE SLAUGHTERED. BE'ERI AND KFAR AZZA AND THE MUSIC FESTIVAL THAT HAPPENED 336 00:41:56,814 --> 00:42:02,586 NEAR ONE OF THEM. THOSE ARE THE THREE SCENES OF THE LARGEST MASSACRE OF JEWISH PEOPLE SINCE THE HOLOCAUST 337 00:42:02,653 --> 00:42:12,062 ENDED. >> MORE THAN 1,100 ISRAELIS WERE KILLED, MOST OF THEM CIVILIANS. IN KIBBUTZ BE'ERI, WE MET ALON 338 00:42:12,129 --> 00:42:21,538 GAT. FROM THIS HOME, HAMAS TOOK HIS MOTHER AT GUNPOINT AND SHOT HER, WHILE HE, HIS WIFE, DAUGHTER, 339 00:42:21,605 --> 00:42:30,481 AND SISTER WERE CAPTURED. HE AND HIS DAUGHTER ESCAPED, HIS SISTER CARAMEL AND WIFE YARDEN ROMAN WERE TAKEN HOSTAGE. 340 00:42:30,547 --> 00:42:36,287 >> THEY COULD DO ANYTHING TO ME. I HAD -- >> YOU WERE HELPLESS? >> I WAS HELPLESS. 341 00:42:36,353 --> 00:42:42,626 >> YOU CANNOT OBJECT TO ANYTHING. IT COULD COST YOU YOUR LIFE. >> YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT RAPE? 342 00:42:42,693 --> 00:42:49,466 >> YEAH. I WAS WORRIED TO GET RAPED. >> YEAH. OF COURSE. 343 00:42:49,533 --> 00:42:56,140 >> AND FORTUNATELY ENOUGH, THEY DIDN'T DO IT. >> YARDEN WAS RELEASED IN A PRISONER-SWAP AFTER 54 DAYS IN 344 00:42:56,206 --> 00:43:07,551 CAPTIVITY. CARAMEL WAS EXECUTED BY HAMAS AFTER NEARLY 330 DAYS. OCTOBER 7th BECAME ISRAEL'S 345 00:43:07,618 --> 00:43:14,892 9/11. ANOTHER DATE THAT LIVES IN INFAMY ON THE CALENDAR OF HISTORY. 346 00:43:14,959 --> 00:43:20,998 NOW, AS THE WAR ENTERS A SECOND YEAR, MORE THAN 41,000 PALESTINIANS HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES IN GAZA. 347 00:43:21,065 --> 00:43:30,240 MANY MORE, THEIR HOMES. THE ISRAELI DEATH TOLL IS ABOUT 1,500. HAMAS STILL HOLDS ABOUT 100 348 00:43:30,307 --> 00:43:39,717 HOSTAGES, THOUGH ISRAEL BELIEVES ONLY HALF ARE STILL ALIVE. THE WAR IS FOUGHT ON AND OVER BIBLICAL LANDS, BUT NO 349 00:43:39,783 --> 00:43:50,260 MODERN-DAY SOLOMON HAS EMERGED TO RESOLVE IT. AFTER ONE YEAR, THE TIME FOR PEACE IS LONG OVERDUE. 350 00:43:50,327 --> 00:43:57,801 I'M LESLEY STAHL. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT SUNDAY FOR