1 00:00:12,045 --> 00:00:18,000 >>> OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE REPORTED ON THE MORE THAN HALF A MILLION U.S. SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVED IN IRAQ AND 2 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:18,385 >>> OVER THE YEARS, WE'VE REPORTED ON THE MORE THAN HALF A MILLION U.S. SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVED IN IRAQ AND 3 00:00:18,451 --> 00:00:24,000 AFGHANISTAN AND ARE SUFFERING FROM POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. >> I COULDN'T MAKE SENSE OF IT, 4 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:24,758 AFGHANISTAN AND ARE SUFFERING FROM POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER. >> I COULDN'T MAKE SENSE OF IT, 5 00:00:24,824 --> 00:00:30,000 BUT -- >> TONIGHT YOU'LL HEAR PTSD CAN BE CONTAGIOUS. >> THE WORST OF IT WAS IN 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:30,497 BUT -- >> TONIGHT YOU'LL HEAR PTSD CAN BE CONTAGIOUS. >> THE WORST OF IT WAS IN 7 00:00:30,563 --> 00:00:36,000 SEVENTH GRADE. I KIND OF DECIDED THAT MY FAMILY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT ME HERE. 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,138 SEVENTH GRADE. I KIND OF DECIDED THAT MY FAMILY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT ME HERE. 9 00:00:38,204 --> 00:00:42,000 >>> ON THE BANKS OF THE RHONE RIVER BY A TRANQUIL CITY PARK SITS THE HIGHLY SECURE GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS OF INTERPOL. 10 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:48,000 >>> ON THE BANKS OF THE RHONE RIVER BY A TRANQUIL CITY PARK SITS THE HIGHLY SECURE GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS OF INTERPOL. 11 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,250 >>> ON THE BANKS OF THE RHONE RIVER BY A TRANQUIL CITY PARK SITS THE HIGHLY SECURE GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS OF INTERPOL. 12 00:00:50,316 --> 00:00:54,000 196 COUNTRIES ARE MEMBERS OF INTERPOL AND SHARE IMPORTANT INTELLIGENCE ABOUT WORLDWIDE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 13 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,021 196 COUNTRIES ARE MEMBERS OF INTERPOL AND SHARE IMPORTANT INTELLIGENCE ABOUT WORLDWIDE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 14 00:00:55,088 --> 00:01:00,000 BUT THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY SOME OF THOSE COUNTRIES ARE STILL PART OF ITS ALLIANCE. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,962 BUT THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY SOME OF THOSE COUNTRIES ARE STILL PART OF ITS ALLIANCE. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND 16 00:01:03,029 --> 00:01:06,000 HOW A COUNTRY THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR MASS MURDER CAN BE A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING WITH INTERPOL. 17 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:12,000 HOW A COUNTRY THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR MASS MURDER CAN BE A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING WITH INTERPOL. 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:12,672 HOW A COUNTRY THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR MASS MURDER CAN BE A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING WITH INTERPOL. 19 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:18,000 >>> THIS IS A TASMANIAN TIGER, OR WAS A TASMANIAN TIGER. MOST SCIENTISTS BELIEVE THE APEX PREDATOR TO BE EXTINCT. 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,948 >>> THIS IS A TASMANIAN TIGER, OR WAS A TASMANIAN TIGER. MOST SCIENTISTS BELIEVE THE APEX PREDATOR TO BE EXTINCT. 21 00:01:22,015 --> 00:01:24,000 BUT LIKE BIG FOOT AND THE LOCH NESS MONSTER, PLENTY OF PEOPLE BELIEVE OTHERWISE, THAT THIS TIGER IS STILL ROAMING THIS 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:30,000 BUT LIKE BIG FOOT AND THE LOCH NESS MONSTER, PLENTY OF PEOPLE BELIEVE OTHERWISE, THAT THIS TIGER IS STILL ROAMING THIS 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,391 BUT LIKE BIG FOOT AND THE LOCH NESS MONSTER, PLENTY OF PEOPLE BELIEVE OTHERWISE, THAT THIS TIGER IS STILL ROAMING THIS 24 00:01:31,458 --> 00:01:36,000 BEAUTIFUL ISLAND. >> ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HEARD A MIGHTY HOWL LIKE THIS. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. 25 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,130 BEAUTIFUL ISLAND. >> ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HEARD A MIGHTY HOWL LIKE THIS. >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. 26 00:01:37,197 --> 00:01:40,800 >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. 27 00:01:40,867 --> 00:01:42,000 >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:48,000 >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:54,000 >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 30 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,683 >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 31 00:01:56,749 --> 00:02:00,000 >>> TWO MILLION AMERICANS SERVED IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, AND AT LEAST 600,000 HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH POST TRAUMATIC 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:05,425 >>> TWO MILLION AMERICANS SERVED IN AFGHANISTAN AND IRAQ, AND AT LEAST 600,000 HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH POST TRAUMATIC 33 00:02:05,492 --> 00:02:06,000 STRESS DISORDER. FOR THE MOST PART, THE U.S. IS DOING BETTER, RECOGNIZING AND TREATING THESE WOUNDED WARRIORS. 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:12,000 STRESS DISORDER. FOR THE MOST PART, THE U.S. IS DOING BETTER, RECOGNIZING AND TREATING THESE WOUNDED WARRIORS. 35 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:12,365 STRESS DISORDER. FOR THE MOST PART, THE U.S. IS DOING BETTER, RECOGNIZING AND TREATING THESE WOUNDED WARRIORS. 36 00:02:12,432 --> 00:02:18,000 BUT LESS WELL KNOWN ARE MILLIONS MORE WHO ARE IN NEED BUT REMAIN HIDDEN. THEY ARE THE CHILDREN LIVING 37 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,640 BUT LESS WELL KNOWN ARE MILLIONS MORE WHO ARE IN NEED BUT REMAIN HIDDEN. THEY ARE THE CHILDREN LIVING 38 00:02:20,707 --> 00:02:24,000 WITH INJURED VETERANS. IN A PROFOUND SENSE, PTSD CAN BE CONTAGIOUS. MANY CHILDREN HAVE BECOME 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,882 WITH INJURED VETERANS. IN A PROFOUND SENSE, PTSD CAN BE CONTAGIOUS. MANY CHILDREN HAVE BECOME 40 00:02:28,948 --> 00:02:30,000 CAREGIVERS, CONFRONTING DEPRESSION AND FEAR. AND TONIGHT, YOU WILL HEAR THAT THE STRESS CAN BE SO GREAT IT 41 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:36,000 CAREGIVERS, CONFRONTING DEPRESSION AND FEAR. AND TONIGHT, YOU WILL HEAR THAT THE STRESS CAN BE SO GREAT IT 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:36,422 CAREGIVERS, CONFRONTING DEPRESSION AND FEAR. AND TONIGHT, YOU WILL HEAR THAT THE STRESS CAN BE SO GREAT IT 43 00:02:36,489 --> 00:02:42,000 CAN LEAD TO ATTEMPTS OF SUICIDE. AS WE FIRST REPORTED EARLIER THIS YEAR, TWO COURAGEOUS FAMILIES SPOKE TO US SO THAT 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,365 CAN LEAD TO ATTEMPTS OF SUICIDE. AS WE FIRST REPORTED EARLIER THIS YEAR, TWO COURAGEOUS FAMILIES SPOKE TO US SO THAT 45 00:02:45,431 --> 00:02:48,000 OTHERS CAN KNOW THAT HELP IS ON THE WAY FOR AMERICA'S CHILDREN OF WAR. >> IN 2011, CHUCK ROTENBERRY WAS 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:54,000 OTHERS CAN KNOW THAT HELP IS ON THE WAY FOR AMERICA'S CHILDREN OF WAR. >> IN 2011, CHUCK ROTENBERRY WAS 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:54,941 OTHERS CAN KNOW THAT HELP IS ON THE WAY FOR AMERICA'S CHILDREN OF WAR. >> IN 2011, CHUCK ROTENBERRY WAS 48 00:02:55,008 --> 00:03:00,000 A MARINE ON PATROL IN AFGHANISTAN, WHEN AN EFRP VISE IMPROVISED LAND MINE DETONATED A FEW FEET AWAY. 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:06,000 A MARINE ON PATROL IN AFGHANISTAN, WHEN AN EFRP VISE IMPROVISED LAND MINE DETONATED A FEW FEET AWAY. 50 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:06,586 A MARINE ON PATROL IN AFGHANISTAN, WHEN AN EFRP VISE IMPROVISED LAND MINE DETONATED A FEW FEET AWAY. 51 00:03:06,653 --> 00:03:12,000 >> WHICH SENT ME DOWN THE HILL 20, 30 FEET, KNOCKED ME OUT, CAUSED CATASTROPHIC INJURIES TO THE MARINE BEHIND ME AND THE 52 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,796 >> WHICH SENT ME DOWN THE HILL 20, 30 FEET, KNOCKED ME OUT, CAUSED CATASTROPHIC INJURIES TO THE MARINE BEHIND ME AND THE 53 00:03:16,863 --> 00:03:18,000 MARINE BEHIND HIM. >> Reporter: IT WAS ROTEN BERRY'S SECOND COMBAT TOUR AFTER IRAQ. 54 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:24,000 MARINE BEHIND HIM. >> Reporter: IT WAS ROTEN BERRY'S SECOND COMBAT TOUR AFTER IRAQ. 55 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,071 MARINE BEHIND HIM. >> Reporter: IT WAS ROTEN BERRY'S SECOND COMBAT TOUR AFTER IRAQ. 56 00:03:25,138 --> 00:03:28,441 >> WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MARINE BEHIND YOU, WHO HAD STEPPED ON THE IED? >> HE LOST BOTH HIS LEGS ABOVE 57 00:03:28,508 --> 00:03:30,000 THE KNEE. >> YOU AND THE MEDIC PUT THE TOURNIQUETS ON HIM. >> YES, SIR. 58 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,812 THE KNEE. >> YOU AND THE MEDIC PUT THE TOURNIQUETS ON HIM. >> YES, SIR. 59 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:36,000 >> YOU SAVED HIS LIFE. >> I E HELPED OUT, YEAH. >> Reporter: WHEN ROTENBERRY CAME HOME FROM HIS SEVEN-MONTH 60 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:42,000 >> YOU SAVED HIS LIFE. >> I E HELPED OUT, YEAH. >> Reporter: WHEN ROTENBERRY CAME HOME FROM HIS SEVEN-MONTH 61 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,489 >> YOU SAVED HIS LIFE. >> I E HELPED OUT, YEAH. >> Reporter: WHEN ROTENBERRY CAME HOME FROM HIS SEVEN-MONTH 62 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:48,000 DEPLOYMENT, HIS WIFE, LIZ, WAS PREGNANT WITH THEIR FOURTH CHILD. CHUCK WAS SUFFERING WITH A BRAIN 63 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:48,161 DEPLOYMENT, HIS WIFE, LIZ, WAS PREGNANT WITH THEIR FOURTH CHILD. CHUCK WAS SUFFERING WITH A BRAIN 64 00:03:48,227 --> 00:03:54,000 INJURY FROM A CONCUSSION AND PTSD. >> CHUCK WAS STRUGGLING TO JUST BE IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE HE WAS 65 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,803 INJURY FROM A CONCUSSION AND PTSD. >> CHUCK WAS STRUGGLING TO JUST BE IN THE HOUSE BECAUSE HE WAS 66 00:03:56,869 --> 00:04:00,000 DEALING WITH SO MANY EMOTIONS, MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY. HE WAS HIDING IN, YOU KNOW, BACK ROOMS, AND I'D FIND HIM CRYING. 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,611 DEALING WITH SO MANY EMOTIONS, MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY. HE WAS HIDING IN, YOU KNOW, BACK ROOMS, AND I'D FIND HIM CRYING. 68 00:04:04,677 --> 00:04:06,000 AND HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS CRYING. >> I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I WAS COMING OR GOING. 69 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:12,000 AND HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS CRYING. >> I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I WAS COMING OR GOING. 70 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:12,652 AND HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE WAS CRYING. >> I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER I WAS COMING OR GOING. 71 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:18,000 >> CHUCK KEPT A VIDEO DIARY, AS HE DEALT WITH SELF-ISOLATION, ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, AND DENIAL. >> ONE SECOND I'M UP SUPER HIGH, 72 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:23,396 >> CHUCK KEPT A VIDEO DIARY, AS HE DEALT WITH SELF-ISOLATION, ANXIETY, DEPRESSION, AND DENIAL. >> ONE SECOND I'M UP SUPER HIGH, 73 00:04:23,463 --> 00:04:24,000 THE NEXT, I'M NOT. >> CHUCK, WHO WAS THAT MAN WHO CAME HOME? >> IN MY HEAD, IT WAS ME. 74 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:30,000 THE NEXT, I'M NOT. >> CHUCK, WHO WAS THAT MAN WHO CAME HOME? >> IN MY HEAD, IT WAS ME. 75 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,605 THE NEXT, I'M NOT. >> CHUCK, WHO WAS THAT MAN WHO CAME HOME? >> IN MY HEAD, IT WAS ME. 76 00:04:32,672 --> 00:04:36,000 BUT I WAS VERY FAR FROM IT, I THINK. >> AT AGE SEVEN, HIS SON, KRISTOPHER PITCHED IN. 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,180 BUT I WAS VERY FAR FROM IT, I THINK. >> AT AGE SEVEN, HIS SON, KRISTOPHER PITCHED IN. 78 00:04:41,247 --> 00:04:42,000 OVER THE YEARS, HE TRIED TO SHIELD HIS DAD FROM TRIGGERS THAT SET HIM OFF AND SHIELD HIS SISTERS FROM THE EMOTIONAL 79 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:48,000 OVER THE YEARS, HE TRIED TO SHIELD HIS DAD FROM TRIGGERS THAT SET HIM OFF AND SHIELD HIS SISTERS FROM THE EMOTIONAL 80 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:48,588 OVER THE YEARS, HE TRIED TO SHIELD HIS DAD FROM TRIGGERS THAT SET HIM OFF AND SHIELD HIS SISTERS FROM THE EMOTIONAL 81 00:04:48,655 --> 00:04:54,000 TRAUMA. >> I JUST WORRIED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, THINGS THAT KIDS, I GUESS, AT THAT AGE SHOULD NOT BE 82 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:00,000 TRAUMA. >> I JUST WORRIED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, THINGS THAT KIDS, I GUESS, AT THAT AGE SHOULD NOT BE 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,937 TRAUMA. >> I JUST WORRIED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS, THINGS THAT KIDS, I GUESS, AT THAT AGE SHOULD NOT BE 84 00:05:05,004 --> 00:05:06,000 WORRIED ABOUT. AND IT KIND OF EVOLVED INTO KIND OF LIKE A HELPLESSNESS. >> HE WAS BECOMING ALMOST LIKE 85 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,941 WORRIED ABOUT. AND IT KIND OF EVOLVED INTO KIND OF LIKE A HELPLESSNESS. >> HE WAS BECOMING ALMOST LIKE 86 00:05:09,008 --> 00:05:12,000 MY HUSBAND. THERE WERE TIMES WHERE HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE HE WAS SO STRESSED 87 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:17,150 MY HUSBAND. THERE WERE TIMES WHERE HE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE HE WAS SO STRESSED 88 00:05:17,216 --> 00:05:18,000 INTERNALLY FROM EVERYTHING HAPPENING. AND I DON'T THINK HE KNEW HOW TO PROCESS IT AND UNDERSTAND IT. 89 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:23,389 INTERNALLY FROM EVERYTHING HAPPENING. AND I DON'T THINK HE KNEW HOW TO PROCESS IT AND UNDERSTAND IT. 90 00:05:23,456 --> 00:05:24,000 I KNEW KRISTOPHER WAS STARTING TO STRUGGLE WITH THE WEIGHT OF IT ALL. >> THE WEIGHT GREW, AS KRIS 91 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:30,000 I KNEW KRISTOPHER WAS STARTING TO STRUGGLE WITH THE WEIGHT OF IT ALL. >> THE WEIGHT GREW, AS KRIS 92 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,298 I KNEW KRISTOPHER WAS STARTING TO STRUGGLE WITH THE WEIGHT OF IT ALL. >> THE WEIGHT GREW, AS KRIS 93 00:05:32,365 --> 00:05:36,000 TURNED 12. >> THE WORST OF IT WAS IN SEVENTH GRADE. I THINK I KIND OF DECIDED THAT, 94 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,940 TURNED 12. >> THE WORST OF IT WAS IN SEVENTH GRADE. I THINK I KIND OF DECIDED THAT, 95 00:05:41,007 --> 00:05:42,000 YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT ME HERE. I REMEMBER LOOKING BACK ON THOSE DAYS. 96 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,480 YOU KNOW, MY FAMILY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT ME HERE. I REMEMBER LOOKING BACK ON THOSE DAYS. 97 00:05:47,547 --> 00:05:48,000 IT WAS JUST CHAOS ALL THE TIME. AND I -- I REMEMBER TAKING MY -- ONE OF THE DOGS' LEASHES UPSTAIRS AND 98 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:54,000 IT WAS JUST CHAOS ALL THE TIME. AND I -- I REMEMBER TAKING MY -- ONE OF THE DOGS' LEASHES UPSTAIRS AND 99 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:00,000 IT WAS JUST CHAOS ALL THE TIME. AND I -- I REMEMBER TAKING MY -- ONE OF THE DOGS' LEASHES UPSTAIRS AND 100 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,000 IT WAS JUST CHAOS ALL THE TIME. AND I -- I REMEMBER TAKING MY -- ONE OF THE DOGS' LEASHES UPSTAIRS AND 101 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,670 IT WAS JUST CHAOS ALL THE TIME. AND I -- I REMEMBER TAKING MY -- ONE OF THE DOGS' LEASHES UPSTAIRS AND 102 00:06:10,737 --> 00:06:12,000 TIED ONE END TO THE BUNK BED THAT WE HAD, MY LITTLE BROTHER'S BUNK BED. AND I TRIED, YOU KNOW, HANGING 103 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:18,000 TIED ONE END TO THE BUNK BED THAT WE HAD, MY LITTLE BROTHER'S BUNK BED. AND I TRIED, YOU KNOW, HANGING 104 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,248 TIED ONE END TO THE BUNK BED THAT WE HAD, MY LITTLE BROTHER'S BUNK BED. AND I TRIED, YOU KNOW, HANGING 105 00:06:22,315 --> 00:06:24,000 MYSELF. AND IT WAS WORKING, AND MY MOM WALKED IN ON ME KIND OF, AND I THINK I WAS, KIND OF, ABOUT TO 106 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,553 MYSELF. AND IT WAS WORKING, AND MY MOM WALKED IN ON ME KIND OF, AND I THINK I WAS, KIND OF, ABOUT TO 107 00:06:27,620 --> 00:06:30,000 PASS OUT. I WAS, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LOSING CONSCIOUSNESS. >> WALKING IN AND SEEING WHAT 108 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:35,328 PASS OUT. I WAS, KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LOSING CONSCIOUSNESS. >> WALKING IN AND SEEING WHAT 109 00:06:35,394 --> 00:06:36,000 WAS HAPPENING TO HIM AND WHAT HE WAS REALLY STRUGGLING WITH, I KNEW EVERYTHING ELSE HAD TO STOP. 110 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:41,100 WAS HAPPENING TO HIM AND WHAT HE WAS REALLY STRUGGLING WITH, I KNEW EVERYTHING ELSE HAD TO STOP. 111 00:06:41,167 --> 00:06:42,000 EVERYTHING JUST HAD TO STOP. AND MY FOCUS HAD TO BE KRISTOPHER. >> LIZ BECAME THE WARRIOR, 112 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:48,000 EVERYTHING JUST HAD TO STOP. AND MY FOCUS HAD TO BE KRISTOPHER. >> LIZ BECAME THE WARRIOR, 113 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:48,975 EVERYTHING JUST HAD TO STOP. AND MY FOCUS HAD TO BE KRISTOPHER. >> LIZ BECAME THE WARRIOR, 114 00:06:49,041 --> 00:06:54,000 FIGHTING FOR HER FAMILY. KRISTOPHER WENT TO INTENSIVE THERAPY. THEN HE AND HIS SISTERS ENROLLED 115 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,582 FIGHTING FOR HER FAMILY. KRISTOPHER WENT TO INTENSIVE THERAPY. THEN HE AND HIS SISTERS ENROLLED 116 00:06:56,649 --> 00:07:00,000 IN A CLINIC FOR MILITARY CHILDREN CONFRONTING PTSD. >> IT'S HARD, AS A MILITARY FAMILY, TO OWN THAT, WHEN YOU'RE 117 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:06,000 IN A CLINIC FOR MILITARY CHILDREN CONFRONTING PTSD. >> IT'S HARD, AS A MILITARY FAMILY, TO OWN THAT, WHEN YOU'RE 118 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,660 IN A CLINIC FOR MILITARY CHILDREN CONFRONTING PTSD. >> IT'S HARD, AS A MILITARY FAMILY, TO OWN THAT, WHEN YOU'RE 119 00:07:07,727 --> 00:07:12,000 BUILT WITH SUCH PRIDE AND P STRENGTH. AND YOU'RE SEEN AS RESILIENT, AS THE WORD IS N OUR COMMUNITY. 120 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,467 BUILT WITH SUCH PRIDE AND P STRENGTH. AND YOU'RE SEEN AS RESILIENT, AS THE WORD IS N OUR COMMUNITY. 121 00:07:14,534 --> 00:07:18,000 BUT IT'S OKAY TO NOT BE RESILIENT. AND IT'S OKAY -- IT'S OKAY TO ASK FOR HELP. 122 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,173 BUT IT'S OKAY TO NOT BE RESILIENT. AND IT'S OKAY -- IT'S OKAY TO ASK FOR HELP. 123 00:07:20,239 --> 00:07:24,000 >> THERAPY SAVED YOUR FAMILY. >> IT DID. >> Reporter: LITTLE WAS KNOWN ABOUT FAMILIES LIKE THE ROTEN 124 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:30,000 >> THERAPY SAVED YOUR FAMILY. >> IT DID. >> Reporter: LITTLE WAS KNOWN ABOUT FAMILIES LIKE THE ROTEN 125 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:30,783 >> THERAPY SAVED YOUR FAMILY. >> IT DID. >> Reporter: LITTLE WAS KNOWN ABOUT FAMILIES LIKE THE ROTEN 126 00:07:30,850 --> 00:07:36,000 ROTENBERRYS UNTIL THE WIFE OF A WOUNDED WARRIOR SPENT TEN MONTHS AT WALTER REED NATIONAL MILITARY MEDICAL CENTER. 127 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,425 ROTENBERRYS UNTIL THE WIFE OF A WOUNDED WARRIOR SPENT TEN MONTHS AT WALTER REED NATIONAL MILITARY MEDICAL CENTER. 128 00:07:39,492 --> 00:07:42,000 ELIZABETH DOLE, FORMER SENATOR AND TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY, HEARD THESE FAMILIES, WHILE CARING FOR THE LATE SENATOR, BOB 129 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,530 ELIZABETH DOLE, FORMER SENATOR AND TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY, HEARD THESE FAMILIES, WHILE CARING FOR THE LATE SENATOR, BOB 130 00:07:44,597 --> 00:07:47,834 DOLE. >> I MET ALL THESE YOUNG SPOUSES, MOTHERS, DADS, WHO WERE CARING FOR THEIR WOUNDED 131 00:07:47,900 --> 00:07:48,000 WARRIORS. I DON'T THINK AMERICA IS AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. MOST AMERICANS HAVE NO IDEA 132 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:53,639 WARRIORS. I DON'T THINK AMERICA IS AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. MOST AMERICANS HAVE NO IDEA 133 00:07:53,706 --> 00:07:54,000 WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THESE MILITARY FAMILIES. LESS THAN 1% ARE SERVING IN THE MILITARY TODAY. 134 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:00,000 WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THESE MILITARY FAMILIES. LESS THAN 1% ARE SERVING IN THE MILITARY TODAY. 135 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,050 WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THESE MILITARY FAMILIES. LESS THAN 1% ARE SERVING IN THE MILITARY TODAY. 136 00:08:04,116 --> 00:08:06,000 LESS THAN 1% ARE PROTECTING OUR FREEDOM AND OUR SECURITY. AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THEIR 137 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,822 LESS THAN 1% ARE PROTECTING OUR FREEDOM AND OUR SECURITY. AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO RAISE AWARENESS OF THEIR 138 00:08:09,889 --> 00:08:12,000 CHALLENGES AND THEIR NEEDS AND PROVIDE THEM SUPPORT. >> DOLE CREATED A FOUNDATION THAT COMMISSIONS STUDIES OF 139 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:18,000 CHALLENGES AND THEIR NEEDS AND PROVIDE THEM SUPPORT. >> DOLE CREATED A FOUNDATION THAT COMMISSIONS STUDIES OF 140 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,799 CHALLENGES AND THEIR NEEDS AND PROVIDE THEM SUPPORT. >> DOLE CREATED A FOUNDATION THAT COMMISSIONS STUDIES OF 141 00:08:19,866 --> 00:08:24,000 MILITARY CAREGIVERS. THE STUDIES DISCOVERED THAT MORE THAN 1 MILLION ARE CARING FOR THOSE INJURED DURING THE WARS 142 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,808 MILITARY CAREGIVERS. THE STUDIES DISCOVERED THAT MORE THAN 1 MILLION ARE CARING FOR THOSE INJURED DURING THE WARS 143 00:08:28,875 --> 00:08:30,000 SINCE 9/11. NEARLY HALF SAID THEY WERE OVERWHELMED. >> YOU KNOW, THEY FELT GUILTY 144 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:35,514 SINCE 9/11. NEARLY HALF SAID THEY WERE OVERWHELMED. >> YOU KNOW, THEY FELT GUILTY 145 00:08:35,581 --> 00:08:36,000 REALLY THAT THEY WERE LEANING ON THEIR CHILDREN SO MUCH, NEEDING THEIR SUPPORT, AND THAT THIS WAS CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE 146 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:42,000 REALLY THAT THEY WERE LEANING ON THEIR CHILDREN SO MUCH, NEEDING THEIR SUPPORT, AND THAT THIS WAS CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE 147 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,524 REALLY THAT THEY WERE LEANING ON THEIR CHILDREN SO MUCH, NEEDING THEIR SUPPORT, AND THAT THIS WAS CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR THE 148 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:48,000 CHILDREN. THERE ARE 2.3 MILLION CHILDREN LIVING IN THE HOMES OF WOUNDED WARRIORS. 149 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,497 CHILDREN. THERE ARE 2.3 MILLION CHILDREN LIVING IN THE HOMES OF WOUNDED WARRIORS. 150 00:08:51,564 --> 00:08:54,000 >> Reporter: ONE OF THEM IS ELIZABETH CORNELIUS. >> AND I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S OKAY BECAUSE IF MY 151 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,503 >> Reporter: ONE OF THEM IS ELIZABETH CORNELIUS. >> AND I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY'S OKAY BECAUSE IF MY 152 00:08:57,570 --> 00:09:00,000 MOM ISN'T OKAY, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO JUST FALL. >> Reporter: ELIZABETH HAS HELPED HER MOM, ARIEL, AS LONG 153 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:05,211 MOM ISN'T OKAY, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO JUST FALL. >> Reporter: ELIZABETH HAS HELPED HER MOM, ARIEL, AS LONG 154 00:09:05,278 --> 00:09:06,000 AS SHE CAN REMEMBER. EVEN BEFORE SHE WAS BORN, HER DAD BROUGHT TERRIFYING MEMORIES HOME FROM A COMBAT TOUR IN IRAQ. 155 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:11,751 AS SHE CAN REMEMBER. EVEN BEFORE SHE WAS BORN, HER DAD BROUGHT TERRIFYING MEMORIES HOME FROM A COMBAT TOUR IN IRAQ. 156 00:09:11,817 --> 00:09:12,000 ARIEL TOLD US HIS FIRST EPISODE CAME WITH A PIZZA DELIVERY. >> THE DELIVERY MAN CAME UP TO THE DOOR AND KNOCKED ON THE 157 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:18,000 ARIEL TOLD US HIS FIRST EPISODE CAME WITH A PIZZA DELIVERY. >> THE DELIVERY MAN CAME UP TO THE DOOR AND KNOCKED ON THE 158 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:18,591 ARIEL TOLD US HIS FIRST EPISODE CAME WITH A PIZZA DELIVERY. >> THE DELIVERY MAN CAME UP TO THE DOOR AND KNOCKED ON THE 159 00:09:18,658 --> 00:09:24,000 DOOR. AND YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND DIDN'T EXPECT IT. HE HAD AN IMMEDIATE FLASHBACK 160 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:24,931 DOOR. AND YOU KNOW, MY HUSBAND DIDN'T EXPECT IT. HE HAD AN IMMEDIATE FLASHBACK 161 00:09:24,997 --> 00:09:30,000 AND THREW ME TO THE FLOOR AND WAS YELLING, GET DOWN, GET DOWN, GET DOWN, GET DOWN. >> EVEN WITH THAT, HE DEPLOYED 162 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:35,741 AND THREW ME TO THE FLOOR AND WAS YELLING, GET DOWN, GET DOWN, GET DOWN, GET DOWN. >> EVEN WITH THAT, HE DEPLOYED 163 00:09:35,808 --> 00:09:36,000 TO IRAQ AGAIN IN 2007 AND TO AFGHANISTAN IN 2011. ARIEL IS A SCHOOLTEACHER. HER HUSBAND IS COMPLETELY 164 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:42,000 TO IRAQ AGAIN IN 2007 AND TO AFGHANISTAN IN 2011. ARIEL IS A SCHOOLTEACHER. HER HUSBAND IS COMPLETELY 165 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,850 TO IRAQ AGAIN IN 2007 AND TO AFGHANISTAN IN 2011. ARIEL IS A SCHOOLTEACHER. HER HUSBAND IS COMPLETELY 166 00:09:44,917 --> 00:09:48,000 DISABLED BY PTSD. HE CAN'T WORK AND WASN'T UP TO SPEAKING WITH US. 17-YEAR-OLD ELIZABETH HAS BECOME 167 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:54,000 DISABLED BY PTSD. HE CAN'T WORK AND WASN'T UP TO SPEAKING WITH US. 17-YEAR-OLD ELIZABETH HAS BECOME 168 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:54,360 DISABLED BY PTSD. HE CAN'T WORK AND WASN'T UP TO SPEAKING WITH US. 17-YEAR-OLD ELIZABETH HAS BECOME 169 00:09:54,427 --> 00:10:00,000 SOMETHING OF A COPARENT TO A BROTHER AND A SISTER AT HOME IN MONTANA, SHIELDING THEM, SHE TOLD US, FROM EPISODES AND 170 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:00,533 SOMETHING OF A COPARENT TO A BROTHER AND A SISTER AT HOME IN MONTANA, SHIELDING THEM, SHE TOLD US, FROM EPISODES AND 171 00:10:00,599 --> 00:10:02,568 ARGUMENTS. >> I JUST TRY TO SHIELD THEM AS MUCH AS I CAN, AS MY MOM DID FOR ME. 172 00:10:02,635 --> 00:10:06,000 AND SHE DID IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME. >> A LOT OF IT FALLS ON MYSELF, AND THEN SHE GOES OUT AND HELPS 173 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,942 AND SHE DID IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME. >> A LOT OF IT FALLS ON MYSELF, AND THEN SHE GOES OUT AND HELPS 174 00:10:10,009 --> 00:10:12,000 PICK UP THE PIECES THAT I CAN'T. >> Reporter: HER HUSBAND'S WORST CRISIS CAME ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF AN ATTACK THAT KILLED SEVERAL 175 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:18,000 PICK UP THE PIECES THAT I CAN'T. >> Reporter: HER HUSBAND'S WORST CRISIS CAME ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF AN ATTACK THAT KILLED SEVERAL 176 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,753 PICK UP THE PIECES THAT I CAN'T. >> Reporter: HER HUSBAND'S WORST CRISIS CAME ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF AN ATTACK THAT KILLED SEVERAL 177 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:24,000 OF HIS FELLOW MARINES. >> OH, GOSH. HE WAS EXTREMELY SUICIDAL BECAUSE OF ALL THE MEMORIES THAT 178 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,224 OF HIS FELLOW MARINES. >> OH, GOSH. HE WAS EXTREMELY SUICIDAL BECAUSE OF ALL THE MEMORIES THAT 179 00:10:25,291 --> 00:10:30,000 CAME BACK. HE WAS BARELY HANGING ON. IT'S JUST THAT REGRET. IT'S THE FLOW OF MEMORIES THAT 180 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:36,000 CAME BACK. HE WAS BARELY HANGING ON. IT'S JUST THAT REGRET. IT'S THE FLOW OF MEMORIES THAT 181 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,003 CAME BACK. HE WAS BARELY HANGING ON. IT'S JUST THAT REGRET. IT'S THE FLOW OF MEMORIES THAT 182 00:10:37,069 --> 00:10:42,000 COME IN. >> Reporter: EXTREMELY SUICIDAL, BUT ARIEL FOUND BEDS FOR INPATIENT MENTAL HEALTH CARE CAN 183 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,012 COME IN. >> Reporter: EXTREMELY SUICIDAL, BUT ARIEL FOUND BEDS FOR INPATIENT MENTAL HEALTH CARE CAN 184 00:10:46,078 --> 00:10:48,000 BE SCARCE. >> YOU KNOW, HELENA IS AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS AWAY. CASPER, WYOMING, IS EIGHT-PLUS 185 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,415 BE SCARCE. >> YOU KNOW, HELENA IS AN HOUR AND A HALF TO TWO HOURS AWAY. CASPER, WYOMING, IS EIGHT-PLUS 186 00:10:49,482 --> 00:10:53,886 HOURS AWAY. AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BED. WE THEN LOOKED AT IDAHO. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BED. 187 00:10:53,953 --> 00:10:54,000 WE LOOKED AT OREGON. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BED. WE STILL ENDED UP HAVING TO WAIT THREE WEEKS BEFORE HE COULD GET 188 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,000 WE LOOKED AT OREGON. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BED. WE STILL ENDED UP HAVING TO WAIT THREE WEEKS BEFORE HE COULD GET 189 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:00,826 WE LOOKED AT OREGON. THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BED. WE STILL ENDED UP HAVING TO WAIT THREE WEEKS BEFORE HE COULD GET 190 00:11:00,893 --> 00:11:06,000 THE SUPPORT HE NEEDED IN PUGET SOUND, WASHINGTON. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TEN HOURS AWAY. 191 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,566 THE SUPPORT HE NEEDED IN PUGET SOUND, WASHINGTON. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TEN HOURS AWAY. 192 00:11:07,633 --> 00:11:12,000 >> THREE WEEKS DURING THIS TIME YOU FELT LIKE HE COULD COMMIT SUICIDE. >> AT ANY POINT IN TIME. 193 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,873 >> THREE WEEKS DURING THIS TIME YOU FELT LIKE HE COULD COMMIT SUICIDE. >> AT ANY POINT IN TIME. 194 00:11:13,939 --> 00:11:18,000 AND WE COULDN'T GET HELP. >> Reporter: CHASING CARE IN A CRISIS AND NAVIGATING GOVERNMENT HEALTH INSURANCE RAISED STRESS 195 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,783 AND WE COULDN'T GET HELP. >> Reporter: CHASING CARE IN A CRISIS AND NAVIGATING GOVERNMENT HEALTH INSURANCE RAISED STRESS 196 00:11:23,849 --> 00:11:24,000 FOR EVERYONE. >> IT'S ROUGH ON HER BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN ON THE PHONE FOR HOURS AND HOURS READING 197 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:30,000 FOR EVERYONE. >> IT'S ROUGH ON HER BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN ON THE PHONE FOR HOURS AND HOURS READING 198 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:30,623 FOR EVERYONE. >> IT'S ROUGH ON HER BECAUSE SHE'S BEEN ON THE PHONE FOR HOURS AND HOURS READING 199 00:11:30,689 --> 00:11:36,000 PAMPHLETS TRYING TO FIND US HELP. >> IN 2018, ELIZABETH DOLE WATCHED PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGN A 200 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,699 PAMPHLETS TRYING TO FIND US HELP. >> IN 2018, ELIZABETH DOLE WATCHED PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGN A 201 00:11:40,766 --> 00:11:42,000 LAW THAT EXPANDED V.A. BENEFITS FOR CAREGIVERS OF THE SEVERELY DISABLED. IT OFFERS A STIPEND, ACCESS TO 202 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,006 LAW THAT EXPANDED V.A. BENEFITS FOR CAREGIVERS OF THE SEVERELY DISABLED. IT OFFERS A STIPEND, ACCESS TO 203 00:11:47,073 --> 00:11:48,000 HEALTH INSURANCE AND COUNSELING. THE DOLE FOUNDATION STUDIES FOUND THAT AT LEAST 100 OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE PROVIDING 204 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:54,000 HEALTH INSURANCE AND COUNSELING. THE DOLE FOUNDATION STUDIES FOUND THAT AT LEAST 100 OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE PROVIDING 205 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,382 HEALTH INSURANCE AND COUNSELING. THE DOLE FOUNDATION STUDIES FOUND THAT AT LEAST 100 OTHER ORGANIZATIONS ARE PROVIDING 206 00:11:56,449 --> 00:12:00,000 SUPPORT, WHICH NOW INCLUDE THE DOLE FOUNDATION ITSELF. STEVE SCHWAB IS THE CEO. >> HOW DOES THE FOUNDATION HELP 207 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,290 SUPPORT, WHICH NOW INCLUDE THE DOLE FOUNDATION ITSELF. STEVE SCHWAB IS THE CEO. >> HOW DOES THE FOUNDATION HELP 208 00:12:04,356 --> 00:12:06,000 THESE CHILDREN? >> ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE OFFER EMERGENCY FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO ANYBODY WHO 209 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,626 THESE CHILDREN? >> ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE DO IS WE OFFER EMERGENCY FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO ANYBODY WHO 210 00:12:07,693 --> 00:12:12,000 NEEDS IT. SECOND IS PEER SUPPORT. WE'RE BUILDING A FIRST OF ITS KIND PEER SUPPORT MODEL THAT 211 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,834 NEEDS IT. SECOND IS PEER SUPPORT. WE'RE BUILDING A FIRST OF ITS KIND PEER SUPPORT MODEL THAT 212 00:12:14,900 --> 00:12:18,000 WILL LINK THESE CHILDREN WITH OTHER CHILDREN LIKE THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES. WE OFFER ON-THE-GROUND RESPITE 213 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:24,000 WILL LINK THESE CHILDREN WITH OTHER CHILDREN LIKE THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES. WE OFFER ON-THE-GROUND RESPITE 214 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,344 WILL LINK THESE CHILDREN WITH OTHER CHILDREN LIKE THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES. WE OFFER ON-THE-GROUND RESPITE 215 00:12:25,411 --> 00:12:29,014 CARE, BACKUP CARE IN THE HOME TO PROVIDE A TRAINED HEALTH CARE WORKER TO COME IN AND BACK UP THAT MOM OR DAD SO THAT THAT 216 00:12:29,081 --> 00:12:30,000 FAMILY CAN TAKE A BREAK TOGETHER. >> Reporter: ONE DOLE FOUNDATION PARTNER CALLED OUR MILITARY KIDS 217 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:36,000 FAMILY CAN TAKE A BREAK TOGETHER. >> Reporter: ONE DOLE FOUNDATION PARTNER CALLED OUR MILITARY KIDS 218 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:36,489 FAMILY CAN TAKE A BREAK TOGETHER. >> Reporter: ONE DOLE FOUNDATION PARTNER CALLED OUR MILITARY KIDS 219 00:12:36,555 --> 00:12:42,000 PAID FEES TO HELP KEEP THE CORNELIUS CHILDREN IN SPORTS. THEIR MOM, ARIEL, SAYS THAT EVEN THE LITTLE THINGS HELP HER 220 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,331 PAID FEES TO HELP KEEP THE CORNELIUS CHILDREN IN SPORTS. THEIR MOM, ARIEL, SAYS THAT EVEN THE LITTLE THINGS HELP HER 221 00:12:45,397 --> 00:12:48,000 HUSBAND. >> HE IS AN AMAZING MAN, AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR HIM TO GET PAST -- I KNOW HE'LL NEVER GET 222 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:53,339 HUSBAND. >> HE IS AN AMAZING MAN, AND I CAN'T WAIT FOR HIM TO GET PAST -- I KNOW HE'LL NEVER GET 223 00:12:53,405 --> 00:12:54,000 PAST THE PTSD, BUT FOR HIM TO HEAL ENOUGH TO ENJOY LIFE AND TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE FAMILY DYNAMICS AND JUST BEING AROUND. 224 00:12:54,000 --> 00:13:00,000 PAST THE PTSD, BUT FOR HIM TO HEAL ENOUGH TO ENJOY LIFE AND TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE FAMILY DYNAMICS AND JUST BEING AROUND. 225 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,048 PAST THE PTSD, BUT FOR HIM TO HEAL ENOUGH TO ENJOY LIFE AND TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE FAMILY DYNAMICS AND JUST BEING AROUND. 226 00:13:03,115 --> 00:13:06,000 >> YOU HAVE HOPE FOR THAT? >> I SURE DO, YEAH. >> Reporter: TODAY, LIZ ROTENBERRY LEADS A DOLE 227 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,000 >> YOU HAVE HOPE FOR THAT? >> I SURE DO, YEAH. >> Reporter: TODAY, LIZ ROTENBERRY LEADS A DOLE 228 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,161 >> YOU HAVE HOPE FOR THAT? >> I SURE DO, YEAH. >> Reporter: TODAY, LIZ ROTENBERRY LEADS A DOLE 229 00:13:15,227 --> 00:13:18,000 FOUNDATION INITIATIVE TO TRAIN CAREGIVERS TO BE PUBLIC ADVOCATES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON CAPITOL HILL. 230 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,433 FOUNDATION INITIATIVE TO TRAIN CAREGIVERS TO BE PUBLIC ADVOCATES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON CAPITOL HILL. 231 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:24,000 HUSBAND, CHUCK, IS RECOVERING AND WORKS AS A DOG TRAINER FOR THE SECRET SERVICE. AND SON, KRISTOPHER RECOVERED 232 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:29,408 HUSBAND, CHUCK, IS RECOVERING AND WORKS AS A DOG TRAINER FOR THE SECRET SERVICE. AND SON, KRISTOPHER RECOVERED 233 00:13:29,475 --> 00:13:30,000 AND HAS APPLIED TO FOLLOW HIS FATHER INTO THE MILITARY. >> AFTER ALL THE THINGS THAT KRIS DID TO HELP THE FAMILY 234 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:36,000 AND HAS APPLIED TO FOLLOW HIS FATHER INTO THE MILITARY. >> AFTER ALL THE THINGS THAT KRIS DID TO HELP THE FAMILY 235 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,552 AND HAS APPLIED TO FOLLOW HIS FATHER INTO THE MILITARY. >> AFTER ALL THE THINGS THAT KRIS DID TO HELP THE FAMILY 236 00:13:39,618 --> 00:13:42,000 DURING YOUR TROUBLES, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR SON TO KNOW? >> FIRST OF ALL, EVERYBODY -- EVERYBODY THAT'S IN MY LIFE NOW, 237 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:48,000 DURING YOUR TROUBLES, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR SON TO KNOW? >> FIRST OF ALL, EVERYBODY -- EVERYBODY THAT'S IN MY LIFE NOW, 238 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,896 DURING YOUR TROUBLES, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR SON TO KNOW? >> FIRST OF ALL, EVERYBODY -- EVERYBODY THAT'S IN MY LIFE NOW, 239 00:13:50,963 --> 00:13:54,000 I WOULDN'T BE HERE WITHOUT THEM. I TELL HIM I LOVE HIM ALL THE TIME. AND HE REPLIES. 240 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,603 I WOULDN'T BE HERE WITHOUT THEM. I TELL HIM I LOVE HIM ALL THE TIME. AND HE REPLIES. 241 00:13:57,670 --> 00:14:00,000 BUT I NEVER REALLY SAY WHY. WATCHING HIM GROW, BEING AWARE OF OTHER PEOPLE, THERE'S PLENTY OF PROUD DAD MOMENTS FOR ME. 242 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:06,000 BUT I NEVER REALLY SAY WHY. WATCHING HIM GROW, BEING AWARE OF OTHER PEOPLE, THERE'S PLENTY OF PROUD DAD MOMENTS FOR ME. 243 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:12,000 BUT I NEVER REALLY SAY WHY. WATCHING HIM GROW, BEING AWARE OF OTHER PEOPLE, THERE'S PLENTY OF PROUD DAD MOMENTS FOR ME. 244 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,489 BUT I NEVER REALLY SAY WHY. WATCHING HIM GROW, BEING AWARE OF OTHER PEOPLE, THERE'S PLENTY OF PROUD DAD MOMENTS FOR ME. 245 00:14:17,556 --> 00:14:18,000 BUT I'M PROUD OF YOU EVERY DAY. ALL THE TIME. YOU OWE ME NOTHING BUT TO BE HAPPY. 246 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:24,000 BUT I'M PROUD OF YOU EVERY DAY. ALL THE TIME. YOU OWE ME NOTHING BUT TO BE HAPPY. 247 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:30,000 BUT I'M PROUD OF YOU EVERY DAY. ALL THE TIME. YOU OWE ME NOTHING BUT TO BE HAPPY. 248 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:34,740 BUT I'M PROUD OF YOU EVERY DAY. ALL THE TIME. YOU OWE ME NOTHING BUT TO BE HAPPY. 249 00:14:34,807 --> 00:14:36,000 >> MORE THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, THESE FAMILIES TOLD US THEY WANT THE NATION TO SIMPLY SEE AND KNOW THE CHILDREN LIVING 250 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:42,000 >> MORE THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, THESE FAMILIES TOLD US THEY WANT THE NATION TO SIMPLY SEE AND KNOW THE CHILDREN LIVING 251 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,048 >> MORE THAN JUST ABOUT ANYTHING, THESE FAMILIES TOLD US THEY WANT THE NATION TO SIMPLY SEE AND KNOW THE CHILDREN LIVING 252 00:14:43,115 --> 00:14:48,000 WITH DISABLED VETS WHO ARE, IN A SENSE, STILL FIGHTING AMERICA'S POST-9/11 WARS. 253 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,558 WITH DISABLED VETS WHO ARE, IN A SENSE, STILL FIGHTING AMERICA'S POST-9/11 WARS. 254 00:14:57,296 --> 00:15:00,000 >> REPORTING ON THE TOLL OF WAR. >> CERTAIN SYMPTOMS OF PTSD KICKED IN. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON 255 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:06,000 >> REPORTING ON THE TOLL OF WAR. >> CERTAIN SYMPTOMS OF PTSD KICKED IN. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON 256 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:12,000 >> REPORTING ON THE TOLL OF WAR. >> CERTAIN SYMPTOMS OF PTSD KICKED IN. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON 257 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:12,778 >> REPORTING ON THE TOLL OF WAR. >> CERTAIN SYMPTOMS OF PTSD KICKED IN. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON 258 00:15:12,845 --> 00:15:17,950 . >>> IF YOU'RE A FAN OF CRIME NOVELS AND MOVIES, YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD OF INTERPOL. 259 00:15:18,017 --> 00:15:24,000 THE INTERNATIONAL POLICE ORGANIZATION WAS STARTED 100 YEARS AGO, WHEN 20 COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE U.S., CAME 260 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,958 THE INTERNATIONAL POLICE ORGANIZATION WAS STARTED 100 YEARS AGO, WHEN 20 COUNTRIES, INCLUDING THE U.S., CAME 261 00:15:26,025 --> 00:15:30,000 TOGETHER TO FIGHT INTERNATIONAL CRIME. TODAY IT HAS 196 MEMBERS, CONNECTING THE NEW YORK POLICE 262 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,497 TOGETHER TO FIGHT INTERNATIONAL CRIME. TODAY IT HAS 196 MEMBERS, CONNECTING THE NEW YORK POLICE 263 00:15:31,563 --> 00:15:36,000 DEPARTMENT, SCOTLAND YARD, POLICE IN MOSCOW, MUMBAI, MANILA. BUT, AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN 264 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,538 DEPARTMENT, SCOTLAND YARD, POLICE IN MOSCOW, MUMBAI, MANILA. BUT, AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN 265 00:15:39,605 --> 00:15:42,000 JANUARY, FOR ALL ITS GOOD WORK, INTERPOL HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF DOING THE DIRTY WORK OF SOME OF ITS MORE REPRESSIVE MEMBERS. 266 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,979 JANUARY, FOR ALL ITS GOOD WORK, INTERPOL HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF DOING THE DIRTY WORK OF SOME OF ITS MORE REPRESSIVE MEMBERS. 267 00:15:47,046 --> 00:15:48,000 RUSSIA, FOR ONE, HAS USED INTERPOL TO TRACK DOWN PEOPLE WHO HAVE RUN AFOUL OF PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN. 268 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,584 RUSSIA, FOR ONE, HAS USED INTERPOL TO TRACK DOWN PEOPLE WHO HAVE RUN AFOUL OF PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN. 269 00:15:52,651 --> 00:15:54,000 LAST YEAR, WE VISITED INTERPOL IN LEON, FRANCE, AND FOUND AN INSTITUTION TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE TREACHEROUS PATH BETWEEN 270 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:00,000 LAST YEAR, WE VISITED INTERPOL IN LEON, FRANCE, AND FOUND AN INSTITUTION TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE TREACHEROUS PATH BETWEEN 271 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,193 LAST YEAR, WE VISITED INTERPOL IN LEON, FRANCE, AND FOUND AN INSTITUTION TRYING TO NAVIGATE THE TREACHEROUS PATH BETWEEN 272 00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:06,000 POLICING AND POLITICS. >> Reporter: ON THE BANKS OF THE RHONE RIVER BY A TRANQUIL CITY PARK SITS THE HIGHLY SECURE 273 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:12,000 POLICING AND POLITICS. >> Reporter: ON THE BANKS OF THE RHONE RIVER BY A TRANQUIL CITY PARK SITS THE HIGHLY SECURE 274 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,843 POLICING AND POLITICS. >> Reporter: ON THE BANKS OF THE RHONE RIVER BY A TRANQUIL CITY PARK SITS THE HIGHLY SECURE 275 00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:18,000 GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS OF INTERPOL. >> AS INTERPOL'S SECRETARY GENERAL, STOCK MANAGES OPERATIONS IN LEONE AND REGIONAL 276 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:24,000 GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS OF INTERPOL. >> AS INTERPOL'S SECRETARY GENERAL, STOCK MANAGES OPERATIONS IN LEONE AND REGIONAL 277 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:30,000 GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS OF INTERPOL. >> AS INTERPOL'S SECRETARY GENERAL, STOCK MANAGES OPERATIONS IN LEONE AND REGIONAL 278 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,925 GLOBAL HEADQUARTERS OF INTERPOL. >> AS INTERPOL'S SECRETARY GENERAL, STOCK MANAGES OPERATIONS IN LEONE AND REGIONAL 279 00:16:32,991 --> 00:16:36,000 OFFICES ON FIVE CONTINENTS. 900 EMPLOYEES WORK AT THE LEONE HEADQUARTERS. MANY ARE POLICE OFFICERS ON LOAN 280 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,300 OFFICES ON FIVE CONTINENTS. 900 EMPLOYEES WORK AT THE LEONE HEADQUARTERS. MANY ARE POLICE OFFICERS ON LOAN 281 00:16:41,367 --> 00:16:42,000 FROM MEMBER COUNTRIES CHOSEN FOR THEIR EXPERTISE. THEY DON'T CARRY GUNS OR MAKE ARRESTS, BUT RATHER COLLECT AND 282 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:48,000 FROM MEMBER COUNTRIES CHOSEN FOR THEIR EXPERTISE. THEY DON'T CARRY GUNS OR MAKE ARRESTS, BUT RATHER COLLECT AND 283 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:48,107 FROM MEMBER COUNTRIES CHOSEN FOR THEIR EXPERTISE. THEY DON'T CARRY GUNS OR MAKE ARRESTS, BUT RATHER COLLECT AND 284 00:16:48,173 --> 00:16:53,512 SHARE INFORMATION WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AROUND THE GLOBE. INTERPOL ALSO HAS BUREAUS IN 285 00:16:53,579 --> 00:16:54,000 EACH MEMBER COUNTRY, INCLUDING ONE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., MANAGED BY THE DEPARTMENTS OF JUSTICE AND HOMELAND SECURITY. 286 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,000 EACH MEMBER COUNTRY, INCLUDING ONE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., MANAGED BY THE DEPARTMENTS OF JUSTICE AND HOMELAND SECURITY. 287 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:06,000 EACH MEMBER COUNTRY, INCLUDING ONE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., MANAGED BY THE DEPARTMENTS OF JUSTICE AND HOMELAND SECURITY. 288 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:06,492 EACH MEMBER COUNTRY, INCLUDING ONE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., MANAGED BY THE DEPARTMENTS OF JUSTICE AND HOMELAND SECURITY. 289 00:17:06,558 --> 00:17:10,062 >> SO, WHAT IS THE MAIN MISSION OF INTERPOL? >> I WOULD DESCRIBE IT AS AN INFORMATION BROKER. 290 00:17:10,129 --> 00:17:12,000 WE COLLECT, WE INVITE MEMBER COUNTRIES TO SHARE INFORMATION. WE DO ANALYSIS. WE ENRICH THE INFORMATION. 291 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:12,798 WE COLLECT, WE INVITE MEMBER COUNTRIES TO SHARE INFORMATION. WE DO ANALYSIS. WE ENRICH THE INFORMATION. 292 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:18,000 INTERPOL'S INFORMATION IS LEADING TO ARRESTS OF HIGH-LEVEL CRIMINALS, MURDERERS, DRUG TRAFFICKERS, THOSE WHO ARE 293 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:18,070 INTERPOL'S INFORMATION IS LEADING TO ARRESTS OF HIGH-LEVEL CRIMINALS, MURDERERS, DRUG TRAFFICKERS, THOSE WHO ARE 294 00:17:18,137 --> 00:17:24,000 ABUSING CHILDREN ALL AROUND THE WORLD. EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT HAPPENS. >> Reporter: LAST YEAR, INTERPOL 295 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,444 ABUSING CHILDREN ALL AROUND THE WORLD. EVERY SINGLE DAY THAT HAPPENS. >> Reporter: LAST YEAR, INTERPOL 296 00:17:25,511 --> 00:17:30,000 COORDINATED A CRACKDOWN ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND PROSTITUTION, OPERATION GLOBAL CHAIN, THAT LED TO 212 ARRESTS IN 22 COUNTRIES 297 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,487 COORDINATED A CRACKDOWN ON HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND PROSTITUTION, OPERATION GLOBAL CHAIN, THAT LED TO 212 ARRESTS IN 22 COUNTRIES 298 00:17:35,554 --> 00:17:36,000 AND THE RELEASE OF MORE THAN 1,400 VICTIMS FORCED INTO CRIMINALITY. IT'S BEEN GOING AFTER ONE OF THE 299 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:42,000 AND THE RELEASE OF MORE THAN 1,400 VICTIMS FORCED INTO CRIMINALITY. IT'S BEEN GOING AFTER ONE OF THE 300 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,366 AND THE RELEASE OF MORE THAN 1,400 VICTIMS FORCED INTO CRIMINALITY. IT'S BEEN GOING AFTER ONE OF THE 301 00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:48,000 WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL CRIME ORGANIZATIONS, ITALY BASED -- THANKS TO INTERPOL THE SECOND MOST WANTED MAN IN ITALY WAS 302 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,839 WORLD'S MOST POWERFUL CRIME ORGANIZATIONS, ITALY BASED -- THANKS TO INTERPOL THE SECOND MOST WANTED MAN IN ITALY WAS 303 00:17:53,906 --> 00:17:54,000 ARRESTED IN BRAZIL AFTER 23 YEARS ON THE RUN. >> WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HIM THROUGH IMAGES THAT WERE SHARED 304 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,645 ARRESTED IN BRAZIL AFTER 23 YEARS ON THE RUN. >> WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY HIM THROUGH IMAGES THAT WERE SHARED 305 00:17:59,711 --> 00:18:00,000 THAT ALLOWED US TO BE SURE IT WAS THE GUY. >> TATTOOS? >> TATTOOS. 306 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:06,000 THAT ALLOWED US TO BE SURE IT WAS THE GUY. >> TATTOOS? >> TATTOOS. 307 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,052 THAT ALLOWED US TO BE SURE IT WAS THE GUY. >> TATTOOS? >> TATTOOS. 308 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:12,000 >> CYRIL GOUT, A FORENSIC EXPERT FROM THE FRENCH NATIONAL POLICE, OVERSEES 19 MASSIVE DATABASES, WHICH ARE QUERIED 20 MILLION 309 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:18,000 >> CYRIL GOUT, A FORENSIC EXPERT FROM THE FRENCH NATIONAL POLICE, OVERSEES 19 MASSIVE DATABASES, WHICH ARE QUERIED 20 MILLION 310 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,465 >> CYRIL GOUT, A FORENSIC EXPERT FROM THE FRENCH NATIONAL POLICE, OVERSEES 19 MASSIVE DATABASES, WHICH ARE QUERIED 20 MILLION 311 00:18:19,531 --> 00:18:22,434 TIMES A DAY. THEY ARE A COMPENDIUM OF CRIME, PIRACY, FUGITIVES, ELICIT FIREARMS, STOLEN TRAVEL 312 00:18:22,501 --> 00:18:24,000 DOCUMENTS. >> MY ROLE IS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THE END USERS. 313 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:29,975 DOCUMENTS. >> MY ROLE IS TO MAKE THIS INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO THE END USERS. 314 00:18:30,042 --> 00:18:31,810 >> YOUR MEMBERS. >> THE MEMBER COUNTRIES OF INTERPOL. BUT FOR ME, THE CUSTOMERS, THE 315 00:18:31,877 --> 00:18:36,000 END USERS. THESE ARE THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO WANT TO ARREST THOSE MAJOR CRIMINALS AND PROVIDING THEM 316 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,118 END USERS. THESE ARE THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO WANT TO ARREST THOSE MAJOR CRIMINALS AND PROVIDING THEM 317 00:18:40,185 --> 00:18:42,000 WITH ACTIONABLE INFORMATION EVERYWHERE AROUND THE WORLD. >> Reporter: INTERPOL HAS A NUMBER OF WAYS TO ALERT ITS 318 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,292 WITH ACTIONABLE INFORMATION EVERYWHERE AROUND THE WORLD. >> Reporter: INTERPOL HAS A NUMBER OF WAYS TO ALERT ITS 319 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,000 MMBERS, INCLUDING A YELLOW NOTICE FOR MISSING PERSONS, A BLACK NOTICE FOR UNIDENTIFIED BODIES. 320 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:54,000 MMBERS, INCLUDING A YELLOW NOTICE FOR MISSING PERSONS, A BLACK NOTICE FOR UNIDENTIFIED BODIES. 321 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,467 MMBERS, INCLUDING A YELLOW NOTICE FOR MISSING PERSONS, A BLACK NOTICE FOR UNIDENTIFIED BODIES. 322 00:18:55,534 --> 00:19:00,000 PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANT, THE RED NOTICE, A CLOSELY GUARDED LIST OF 74,000 OF THE WORLD'S MOST WANTED FUGITIVES. 323 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,008 PERHAPS MOST IMPORTANT, THE RED NOTICE, A CLOSELY GUARDED LIST OF 74,000 OF THE WORLD'S MOST WANTED FUGITIVES. 324 00:19:03,075 --> 00:19:06,000 WITH THE SUSPECT'S NAME, PICTURE, FINGERPRINTS, DETAILS OF THE ALLEGED CRIME, AND THE COUNTRY SEEKING THE ARREST. 325 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:11,517 WITH THE SUSPECT'S NAME, PICTURE, FINGERPRINTS, DETAILS OF THE ALLEGED CRIME, AND THE COUNTRY SEEKING THE ARREST. 326 00:19:11,583 --> 00:19:12,000 >> THE RED NOTICE IS NOT AN INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANT. THAT IS ALSO VERY OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD. 327 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,220 >> THE RED NOTICE IS NOT AN INTERNATIONAL ARREST WARRANT. THAT IS ALSO VERY OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD. 328 00:19:15,287 --> 00:19:18,000 >> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A DIGITAL WANTED POSTER. >> YES. 329 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,993 >> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A DIGITAL WANTED POSTER. >> YES. 330 00:19:21,059 --> 00:19:24,000 IT'S AN ALERT THAT WE ARE DISSEMINATING THAT SOMEBODY IS WANTED BY A MEMBER COUNTRY. >> Reporter: EACH NOTICE IS 331 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:29,368 IT'S AN ALERT THAT WE ARE DISSEMINATING THAT SOMEBODY IS WANTED BY A MEMBER COUNTRY. >> Reporter: EACH NOTICE IS 332 00:19:29,434 --> 00:19:30,000 VETTED BY A TASK FORCE SECRETARY GENERAL STOCK CREATED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T VIOLATE RULES FORBIDDING THE USE OF INTERPOL 333 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:35,541 VETTED BY A TASK FORCE SECRETARY GENERAL STOCK CREATED TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T VIOLATE RULES FORBIDDING THE USE OF INTERPOL 334 00:19:35,607 --> 00:19:36,000 FOR POLITICAL, RELIGIOUS, OR RACIAL PERSECUTION. BUT THE VETTING IS NOT FOOLPROOF. 335 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:41,480 FOR POLITICAL, RELIGIOUS, OR RACIAL PERSECUTION. BUT THE VETTING IS NOT FOOLPROOF. 336 00:19:41,547 --> 00:19:42,000 >> SOME OF INTERPOL'S MORE REPRESSIVE MEMBERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RED NOTICES, USING FABRICATED CHARGES TO LOCATE, 337 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,000 >> SOME OF INTERPOL'S MORE REPRESSIVE MEMBERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RED NOTICES, USING FABRICATED CHARGES TO LOCATE, 338 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,923 >> SOME OF INTERPOL'S MORE REPRESSIVE MEMBERS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF RED NOTICES, USING FABRICATED CHARGES TO LOCATE, 339 00:19:50,989 --> 00:19:54,000 DETAIN, AND EXTRADITE PEOPLE THEY WANT TO GET THEIR HANDS ON, LIKE POLITICAL DISSIDENTS OR INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE MERELY 340 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,294 DETAIN, AND EXTRADITE PEOPLE THEY WANT TO GET THEIR HANDS ON, LIKE POLITICAL DISSIDENTS OR INNOCENT PEOPLE WHO HAVE MERELY 341 00:19:55,360 --> 00:20:00,000 DISPLEASED POWERFUL OFFICIALS. >> LIKE ANY INFORMATION SHARING SYSTEM, THE INFORMATION YOU GET OUT IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE 342 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,535 DISPLEASED POWERFUL OFFICIALS. >> LIKE ANY INFORMATION SHARING SYSTEM, THE INFORMATION YOU GET OUT IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE 343 00:20:03,602 --> 00:20:06,000 INFORMATION YOU PUT IN. >> RHYS DAVIES, ON THE LEFT, AND BEN KEEF ARE BARRISTERS, BRITISH LAWYERS, WHO HELP PEOPLE ACCUSED 344 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,510 INFORMATION YOU PUT IN. >> RHYS DAVIES, ON THE LEFT, AND BEN KEEF ARE BARRISTERS, BRITISH LAWYERS, WHO HELP PEOPLE ACCUSED 345 00:20:11,577 --> 00:20:12,000 OF CRIMES TO NAVIGATE INTERPOL'S COMPLEX BUREAUCRACY. >> OUR CLIENTS COME TO US AND SAY, WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED IN A 346 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:18,000 OF CRIMES TO NAVIGATE INTERPOL'S COMPLEX BUREAUCRACY. >> OUR CLIENTS COME TO US AND SAY, WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED IN A 347 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,186 OF CRIMES TO NAVIGATE INTERPOL'S COMPLEX BUREAUCRACY. >> OUR CLIENTS COME TO US AND SAY, WE'VE BEEN ACCUSED IN A 348 00:20:21,253 --> 00:20:24,000 PARTICULAR STATE OF A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, WHICH HAS BEEN FABRICATED FOR POLITICAL REASONS. 349 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,959 PARTICULAR STATE OF A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, WHICH HAS BEEN FABRICATED FOR POLITICAL REASONS. 350 00:20:27,025 --> 00:20:30,000 AND INTERPOL HAS JUST TAKEN THIS AT FACE VALUE, ISSUED A RED NOTICE. >> Reporter: BOTH CONCEDE 351 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,265 AND INTERPOL HAS JUST TAKEN THIS AT FACE VALUE, ISSUED A RED NOTICE. >> Reporter: BOTH CONCEDE 352 00:20:33,332 --> 00:20:36,000 INTERPOL DOES A LOT OF GOOD, DESPITE A YEARLY BUDGET OF $170 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE OMAHA POLICE 353 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,273 INTERPOL DOES A LOT OF GOOD, DESPITE A YEARLY BUDGET OF $170 MILLION, WHICH IS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE OMAHA POLICE 354 00:20:41,340 --> 00:20:42,000 DEPARTMENT. >> THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THEY ARE MEANT TO BELIEVE THEIR MEMBER STATES. 355 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,243 DEPARTMENT. >> THE CONSTITUTION SAYS THEY ARE MEANT TO BELIEVE THEIR MEMBER STATES. 356 00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:48,000 SO, WHEN A MEMBER STATE -- RUSSIA, CHINA, TURKEY -- WHOSE RULE OF LAW IS OFTEN NON-EXISTENT SAY TO THEM A 357 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:54,000 SO, WHEN A MEMBER STATE -- RUSSIA, CHINA, TURKEY -- WHOSE RULE OF LAW IS OFTEN NON-EXISTENT SAY TO THEM A 358 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,087 SO, WHEN A MEMBER STATE -- RUSSIA, CHINA, TURKEY -- WHOSE RULE OF LAW IS OFTEN NON-EXISTENT SAY TO THEM A 359 00:20:55,153 --> 00:21:00,000 PARTICULAR PERSON IS WANTED FOR A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, THEY ARE BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION TO ALEVE THEM. 360 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,627 PARTICULAR PERSON IS WANTED FOR A CRIMINAL OFFENSE, THEY ARE BOUND BY THE CONSTITUTION TO ALEVE THEM. 361 00:21:01,693 --> 00:21:05,297 >> DOES INTERPOL VIEW ALL THE INFORMATION THAT COMES OUT OF ALL OF THEM AS EQUAL? >> THIS IS ONE OF OUR MAIN 362 00:21:05,364 --> 00:21:06,000 FRUSTRATIONS IS THE INTERPOL DON'T PENALIZE COUNTRIES PROPERLY. >> THEY WERE NEVER IN THAT CLUB. 363 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,967 FRUSTRATIONS IS THE INTERPOL DON'T PENALIZE COUNTRIES PROPERLY. >> THEY WERE NEVER IN THAT CLUB. 364 00:21:09,034 --> 00:21:12,000 >> THEY WERE NEVER IN THE CLUB. WHEN A COUNTRY IS CLEARLY EGREGIOUSLY BREACHING THE RULES AND MANIPULATING THE SYSTEM ON A 365 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,000 >> THEY WERE NEVER IN THE CLUB. WHEN A COUNTRY IS CLEARLY EGREGIOUSLY BREACHING THE RULES AND MANIPULATING THE SYSTEM ON A 366 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:18,143 >> THEY WERE NEVER IN THE CLUB. WHEN A COUNTRY IS CLEARLY EGREGIOUSLY BREACHING THE RULES AND MANIPULATING THE SYSTEM ON A 367 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:23,281 GROSS SCALE, THEY DON'T SUSPEND THEM. THEY'VE NOT SUSPENDED RUSSIA. RUSSIA IS STILL AN ACTIVE MEMBER 368 00:21:23,348 --> 00:21:24,000 OF INTERPOL. >> Reporter: RUSSIA ACCOUNTS FOR NEARLY HALF OF THE RED NOTICES INTERPOL MAKES PUBLIC. 369 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:30,000 OF INTERPOL. >> Reporter: RUSSIA ACCOUNTS FOR NEARLY HALF OF THE RED NOTICES INTERPOL MAKES PUBLIC. 370 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:30,122 OF INTERPOL. >> Reporter: RUSSIA ACCOUNTS FOR NEARLY HALF OF THE RED NOTICES INTERPOL MAKES PUBLIC. 371 00:21:30,188 --> 00:21:36,000 ACCORDING TO A RUSSIAN POLICE OFFICIAL, ITS INTERPOL BUREAU IN MOSCOW HELPED ARREST AND EXTRADITE MORE THAN 100 372 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:40,098 ACCORDING TO A RUSSIAN POLICE OFFICIAL, ITS INTERPOL BUREAU IN MOSCOW HELPED ARREST AND EXTRADITE MORE THAN 100 373 00:21:40,165 --> 00:21:42,000 CRIMINALS IN 2021 AND IN 2022 HELPED NAB THE FOUNDER OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST DARK NET CRIMINAL MARKETPLACE CALLED 374 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,836 CRIMINALS IN 2021 AND IN 2022 HELPED NAB THE FOUNDER OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST DARK NET CRIMINAL MARKETPLACE CALLED 375 00:21:44,903 --> 00:21:48,000 HYDRA. BUT SOME OF THE INFORMATION RUSH GIVES INTERPOL IS SUSPECT. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, HUMAN 376 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,677 HYDRA. BUT SOME OF THE INFORMATION RUSH GIVES INTERPOL IS SUSPECT. MEMBERS OF CONGRESS, HUMAN 377 00:21:51,743 --> 00:21:54,000 RIGHTS GROUPS, AND THE EUROPEAN UNION HAVE LABELLED RUSSIA A SERIAL ABUSER OF RED NOTICES. >> SO, RUSSIA IS WIDELY VIEWED 378 00:21:54,000 --> 00:22:00,000 RIGHTS GROUPS, AND THE EUROPEAN UNION HAVE LABELLED RUSSIA A SERIAL ABUSER OF RED NOTICES. >> SO, RUSSIA IS WIDELY VIEWED 379 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,987 RIGHTS GROUPS, AND THE EUROPEAN UNION HAVE LABELLED RUSSIA A SERIAL ABUSER OF RED NOTICES. >> SO, RUSSIA IS WIDELY VIEWED 380 00:22:02,054 --> 00:22:06,000 AS BEING FAIRLY BRAZEN IN ITS ATTEMPTS TO MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM. THE FAMOUS EXAMPLE WE TALK ABOUT 381 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,059 AS BEING FAIRLY BRAZEN IN ITS ATTEMPTS TO MANIPULATE THE SYSTEM. THE FAMOUS EXAMPLE WE TALK ABOUT 382 00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:12,000 IS BILL BROWDER. >> Reporter: BILL BROWDER IS A LONDON-BASED, AMERICAN-BORN FINANCIER. 383 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,135 IS BILL BROWDER. >> Reporter: BILL BROWDER IS A LONDON-BASED, AMERICAN-BORN FINANCIER. 384 00:22:17,202 --> 00:22:18,000 HE MADE HIS FORTUNE IN RUSSIA BUT HAS SPENT THE LAST 11 YEARS ON THE RUN FROM PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN, AFTER HE AND HIS 385 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,374 HE MADE HIS FORTUNE IN RUSSIA BUT HAS SPENT THE LAST 11 YEARS ON THE RUN FROM PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN, AFTER HE AND HIS 386 00:22:22,441 --> 00:22:24,000 LAWYER EXPOSED CORRUPTION BY RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. HIS LAWYER WAS ARRESTED AND DIED AFTER BEING BEATEN IN A MOSCOW 387 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,914 LAWYER EXPOSED CORRUPTION BY RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS. HIS LAWYER WAS ARRESTED AND DIED AFTER BEING BEATEN IN A MOSCOW 388 00:22:28,980 --> 00:22:30,000 PRISON. BROWDER WAS CONVICTED IN ABSENTIA ON SUSPECT FRAUD CHARGES. 389 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:36,000 PRISON. BROWDER WAS CONVICTED IN ABSENTIA ON SUSPECT FRAUD CHARGES. 390 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,021 PRISON. BROWDER WAS CONVICTED IN ABSENTIA ON SUSPECT FRAUD CHARGES. 391 00:22:36,088 --> 00:22:42,000 THE KREMLIN TURNED TO INTERPOL TO BRING HIM IN. >> SO, HOW MANY TIMES, BY YOUR COUNT, HAS RUSSIA TRIED TO 392 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,429 THE KREMLIN TURNED TO INTERPOL TO BRING HIM IN. >> SO, HOW MANY TIMES, BY YOUR COUNT, HAS RUSSIA TRIED TO 393 00:22:44,496 --> 00:22:48,000 ARREST YOU BY WAY OF INTERPOL? >> EIGHT TIMES. I MUST HOLD THE GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS FOR THE NUMBER OF 394 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,970 ARREST YOU BY WAY OF INTERPOL? >> EIGHT TIMES. I MUST HOLD THE GUINNESS BOOK OF WORLD RECORDS FOR THE NUMBER OF 395 00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:54,000 TIMES THEY'VE TRIED TO ABUSE INTERPOL. >> Reporter: HIS CLOSEST CALL CAME IN 2018, WHEN HE WAS 396 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:59,711 TIMES THEY'VE TRIED TO ABUSE INTERPOL. >> Reporter: HIS CLOSEST CALL CAME IN 2018, WHEN HE WAS 397 00:22:59,778 --> 00:23:00,000 VISITING SPAIN. >> I OPENED THE DOOR OF THE HOTEL, AND OUTSIDE THE DOOR, JUST ABOUT TO KNOCK, IS THE 398 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:06,000 VISITING SPAIN. >> I OPENED THE DOOR OF THE HOTEL, AND OUTSIDE THE DOOR, JUST ABOUT TO KNOCK, IS THE 399 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,719 VISITING SPAIN. >> I OPENED THE DOOR OF THE HOTEL, AND OUTSIDE THE DOOR, JUST ABOUT TO KNOCK, IS THE 400 00:23:07,786 --> 00:23:12,000 MANAGER OF THE HOTEL AND TWO UNIFORMED OFFICERS FROM THE SPANISH POLICE. I PULL OUT MY PASSPORT, I HAND 401 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:18,000 MANAGER OF THE HOTEL AND TWO UNIFORMED OFFICERS FROM THE SPANISH POLICE. I PULL OUT MY PASSPORT, I HAND 402 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:18,263 MANAGER OF THE HOTEL AND TWO UNIFORMED OFFICERS FROM THE SPANISH POLICE. I PULL OUT MY PASSPORT, I HAND 403 00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:20,732 IT TO THE -- ONE OF THE TWO POLICE OFFICERS. AND HE SAID, YOU'RE UNDER ARREST. 404 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:24,000 AND I SAID, WHAT FOR? AND HE SAID, INTERPOL, RUSSIA. >> Reporter: THE HOTEL MANAGER TOLD HIM TO COLLECT HIS THINGS 405 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:24,269 AND I SAID, WHAT FOR? AND HE SAID, INTERPOL, RUSSIA. >> Reporter: THE HOTEL MANAGER TOLD HIM TO COLLECT HIS THINGS 406 00:23:24,336 --> 00:23:29,908 FROM THE BEDROOM. ONCE OUT OF SIGHT, BROWDER GRABBED HIS PHONE AND SENT OUT THIS TWEET. 407 00:23:29,975 --> 00:23:30,000 >> AT THE TIME, I HAD ABOUT 100,000 FOLLOWERS, AND I TWEETED OUT, URGENT, BEING ARRESTED IN MADRID, SPAIN, RIGHT NOW. 408 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:35,714 >> AT THE TIME, I HAD ABOUT 100,000 FOLLOWERS, AND I TWEETED OUT, URGENT, BEING ARRESTED IN MADRID, SPAIN, RIGHT NOW. 409 00:23:35,781 --> 00:23:36,000 >> THAT WAS QUICK THINKING. >> THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAD THIS WORRY. THEY'D BEEN CHASING ME WITH 410 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,118 >> THAT WAS QUICK THINKING. >> THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME I HAD THIS WORRY. THEY'D BEEN CHASING ME WITH 411 00:23:40,185 --> 00:23:42,000 INTERPOL FOR A LONG TIME. I'M SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE POLICE CAR, AND BECAUSE THEY HADN'T TAKEN AWAY MY PHONE, I 412 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:48,000 INTERPOL FOR A LONG TIME. I'M SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE POLICE CAR, AND BECAUSE THEY HADN'T TAKEN AWAY MY PHONE, I 413 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,162 INTERPOL FOR A LONG TIME. I'M SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE POLICE CAR, AND BECAUSE THEY HADN'T TAKEN AWAY MY PHONE, I 414 00:23:50,228 --> 00:23:54,000 TOOK A PICTURE OF THE BACK OF THEIR HEADS. >> Reporter: HE SENT THIS PICTURE IN A SECOND URGENT 415 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:54,833 TOOK A PICTURE OF THE BACK OF THEIR HEADS. >> Reporter: HE SENT THIS PICTURE IN A SECOND URGENT 416 00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:57,269 TWEET, IN THE BACK OF THE SPANISH POLICE CAR GOING TO THE STATION ON THE RUSSIAN ARREST WARRANT. 417 00:23:57,335 --> 00:24:00,000 >> WHAT WERE YOU HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH? >> I'M HOPING TO WAKE THE WHOLE WORLD UP TO THE FACT THAT I'M 418 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,976 >> WHAT WERE YOU HOPING TO ACCOMPLISH? >> I'M HOPING TO WAKE THE WHOLE WORLD UP TO THE FACT THAT I'M 419 00:24:05,043 --> 00:24:06,000 BEING ARRESTED. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE SLIPPED INTO THE BACK OF A RUSSIAN JET AND SENT OFF WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING 420 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280 BEING ARRESTED. I DIDN'T WANT TO BE SLIPPED INTO THE BACK OF A RUSSIAN JET AND SENT OFF WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING 421 00:24:08,346 --> 00:24:12,000 WHERE I WAS. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS HAPPENING OR WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? 422 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,884 WHERE I WAS. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS HAPPENING OR WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? 423 00:24:12,951 --> 00:24:18,000 >> IF I WAS SENT TO RUSSIA, I WOULD BE KILLED, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. >> Reporter: WHILE BROWDER 424 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,791 >> IF I WAS SENT TO RUSSIA, I WOULD BE KILLED, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. >> Reporter: WHILE BROWDER 425 00:24:19,858 --> 00:24:24,000 STAYED LOCKED IN A HOLDING CELL, HIS TWEETS WENT AROUND THE WORLD. >> THE CHIEF OF POLICE COMES 426 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,098 STAYED LOCKED IN A HOLDING CELL, HIS TWEETS WENT AROUND THE WORLD. >> THE CHIEF OF POLICE COMES 427 00:24:27,165 --> 00:24:30,000 BACK WITH A TRANSLATOR AND SAYS, WE'VE JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH INTERPOL GENERAL SECRETARIAT IN LEONE. 428 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,805 BACK WITH A TRANSLATOR AND SAYS, WE'VE JUST GOTTEN OFF THE PHONE WITH INTERPOL GENERAL SECRETARIAT IN LEONE. 429 00:24:33,872 --> 00:24:36,000 THE WARRANT IS NO LONGER VALID. YOU'RE FREE TO GO. >> WOW. AS A RESULT OF YOUR TWEETS? 430 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,008 THE WARRANT IS NO LONGER VALID. YOU'RE FREE TO GO. >> WOW. AS A RESULT OF YOUR TWEETS? 431 00:24:37,075 --> 00:24:42,000 >> AS A RESULT OF THE TWEETS. >> ARE YOU FEARFUL THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN AGAIN? >> EVERY TIME I CROSS THE 432 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:42,881 >> AS A RESULT OF THE TWEETS. >> ARE YOU FEARFUL THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN AGAIN? >> EVERY TIME I CROSS THE 433 00:24:42,948 --> 00:24:48,000 BORDER, MY HEART STARTS BEATING A LITTLE BIT FASTER. >> Reporter: WE ASKED JURGEN STOCK WHY, AFTER ALL THIS, 434 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,156 BORDER, MY HEART STARTS BEATING A LITTLE BIT FASTER. >> Reporter: WE ASKED JURGEN STOCK WHY, AFTER ALL THIS, 435 00:24:51,223 --> 00:24:54,000 RUSSIA HASN'T BEEN SUSPENDED FROM INTERPOL, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE U.N. IS INVESTIGATING RUSSIA FOR WAR 436 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,895 RUSSIA HASN'T BEEN SUSPENDED FROM INTERPOL, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE U.N. IS INVESTIGATING RUSSIA FOR WAR 437 00:24:56,962 --> 00:25:00,000 CRIMES IN UKRAINE. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW A COUNTRY THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR MASS MURDER CAN 438 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,403 CRIMES IN UKRAINE. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW A COUNTRY THAT IS BEING INVESTIGATED FOR MASS MURDER CAN 439 00:25:05,470 --> 00:25:06,000 BE A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING WITH INTERPOL. >> INTERPOL INTRODUCED SOME MEASURES WHEN THE CONFLICT 440 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:12,000 BE A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING WITH INTERPOL. >> INTERPOL INTRODUCED SOME MEASURES WHEN THE CONFLICT 441 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,347 BE A MEMBER IN GOOD STANDING WITH INTERPOL. >> INTERPOL INTRODUCED SOME MEASURES WHEN THE CONFLICT 442 00:25:15,413 --> 00:25:18,000 STARTED TO AVOID ANY POLITICAL ABUSE OF OUR SYSTEMS. BUT WE ALSO DECIDED TO KEEP THE CHANNELS OF INFORMATION OPEN. 443 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:24,000 STARTED TO AVOID ANY POLITICAL ABUSE OF OUR SYSTEMS. BUT WE ALSO DECIDED TO KEEP THE CHANNELS OF INFORMATION OPEN. 444 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:24,089 STARTED TO AVOID ANY POLITICAL ABUSE OF OUR SYSTEMS. BUT WE ALSO DECIDED TO KEEP THE CHANNELS OF INFORMATION OPEN. 445 00:25:24,155 --> 00:25:30,000 >> Reporter: RUSSIA IS HARDLY THE ONLY COUNTRY TO USE INTERPOL TO DO ITS DIRTY WORK. BAHRAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, USED 446 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,328 >> Reporter: RUSSIA IS HARDLY THE ONLY COUNTRY TO USE INTERPOL TO DO ITS DIRTY WORK. BAHRAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, USED 447 00:25:30,395 --> 00:25:36,000 INTERPOL TO NAB A PROFESSIONAL SOCCER PLAYER, AN OUTSPOKEN CRITIC OF THE GOVERNMENT AT THE BANGKOK AIRPORT IN 2018. 448 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,135 INTERPOL TO NAB A PROFESSIONAL SOCCER PLAYER, AN OUTSPOKEN CRITIC OF THE GOVERNMENT AT THE BANGKOK AIRPORT IN 2018. 449 00:25:37,202 --> 00:25:42,000 HE SPENT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS IN A THAI PRISON. CHINA USED A RED NOTICE TO ARREST THIS CHINESE UYGHUR 450 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,978 HE SPENT TWO AND A HALF MONTHS IN A THAI PRISON. CHINA USED A RED NOTICE TO ARREST THIS CHINESE UYGHUR 451 00:25:47,045 --> 00:25:48,000 ACTIVIST IN MOROCCO IN 2021. HE REMAINS IN PRISON AWAITING EXTRADITION. AND QATAR ISSUED A RED NOTICE 452 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,850 ACTIVIST IN MOROCCO IN 2021. HE REMAINS IN PRISON AWAITING EXTRADITION. AND QATAR ISSUED A RED NOTICE 453 00:25:51,917 --> 00:25:54,000 FOR THE SCOTTISH ENGINEER IN 2022 OVER A DISPUTED $5,000 BANK LOAN. HE SPENT TWO MONTHS IN AN IRAQI 454 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,590 FOR THE SCOTTISH ENGINEER IN 2022 OVER A DISPUTED $5,000 BANK LOAN. HE SPENT TWO MONTHS IN AN IRAQI 455 00:25:58,657 --> 00:26:00,000 PRISON. ALL OF THESE RED NOTICES WERE EENTUALLY RESCINDED BUT NOT BEFORE LIVES WERE UPENDED. 456 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,000 PRISON. ALL OF THESE RED NOTICES WERE EENTUALLY RESCINDED BUT NOT BEFORE LIVES WERE UPENDED. 457 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,034 PRISON. ALL OF THESE RED NOTICES WERE EENTUALLY RESCINDED BUT NOT BEFORE LIVES WERE UPENDED. 458 00:26:09,100 --> 00:26:12,000 >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHARACTERIZE THE PEOPLE WHO GET CAUGHT UP IN THIS. ARE THEY COLLATERAL DAMAGE? 459 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,340 >> I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CHARACTERIZE THE PEOPLE WHO GET CAUGHT UP IN THIS. ARE THEY COLLATERAL DAMAGE? 460 00:26:15,407 --> 00:26:18,000 >> NO, I WOULD NEVER CALL THAT COLLATERAL DAMAGE. AND WE ARE INVESTING ALL WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT EVERY PIECE OF 461 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,681 >> NO, I WOULD NEVER CALL THAT COLLATERAL DAMAGE. AND WE ARE INVESTING ALL WE CAN TO ENSURE THAT EVERY PIECE OF 462 00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:24,000 INFORMATION IN OUR DATABASES ARE COMPLIANT WITH OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS. >> BUT YOU KNOW AND WE HAVE 463 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,521 INFORMATION IN OUR DATABASES ARE COMPLIANT WITH OUR RULES AND REGULATIONS. >> BUT YOU KNOW AND WE HAVE 464 00:26:29,587 --> 00:26:30,000 HEARD OF INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LANGUISHING IN JAIL BECAUSE OF ERRONEOUS INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT OUT BY INTERPOL. 465 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:36,000 HEARD OF INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LANGUISHING IN JAIL BECAUSE OF ERRONEOUS INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT OUT BY INTERPOL. 466 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,931 HEARD OF INCIDENTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE LANGUISHING IN JAIL BECAUSE OF ERRONEOUS INFORMATION THAT WAS SENT OUT BY INTERPOL. 467 00:26:39,998 --> 00:26:42,000 >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE SYSTEM IS PERFECT. WE SEE WRONG DECISIONS ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AND WE HAVE SEEN 468 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,000 >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE SYSTEM IS PERFECT. WE SEE WRONG DECISIONS ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AND WE HAVE SEEN 469 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,076 >> I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE SYSTEM IS PERFECT. WE SEE WRONG DECISIONS ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL, AND WE HAVE SEEN 470 00:26:51,142 --> 00:26:54,000 WRONG DECISIONS ALSO AT INTERPOL. THAT IS CORRECT A SMALL NUMBER OF CASES. 471 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,914 WRONG DECISIONS ALSO AT INTERPOL. THAT IS CORRECT A SMALL NUMBER OF CASES. 472 00:26:55,981 --> 00:27:00,000 >> Reporter: INTERPOL ADMITS IN 2022, 304 OF NEARLY 24,000 WANTED PERSON ALERTS WERE FOUND TO VIOLATES ITS RULES AND WERE 473 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:00,518 >> Reporter: INTERPOL ADMITS IN 2022, 304 OF NEARLY 24,000 WANTED PERSON ALERTS WERE FOUND TO VIOLATES ITS RULES AND WERE 474 00:27:00,585 --> 00:27:06,000 DENIED OR DELETED. THE ORGANIZATION DECLINED TO SHARE WHICH COUNTRIES WERE THE WORST OFFENDERS. 475 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,896 DENIED OR DELETED. THE ORGANIZATION DECLINED TO SHARE WHICH COUNTRIES WERE THE WORST OFFENDERS. 476 00:27:11,963 --> 00:27:12,000 >> THERE ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED CASES AGAINST RUSSIA, CHINA, TURKEY, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, FOR REPEATEDLY ABUSING THE 477 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,000 >> THERE ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED CASES AGAINST RUSSIA, CHINA, TURKEY, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, FOR REPEATEDLY ABUSING THE 478 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:18,737 >> THERE ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED CASES AGAINST RUSSIA, CHINA, TURKEY, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, FOR REPEATEDLY ABUSING THE 479 00:27:18,803 --> 00:27:24,000 INTERPOL NOTICES. WHY NOT NAME AND SHAME THESE COUNTRIES? >> BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THIS IS 480 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,543 INTERPOL NOTICES. WHY NOT NAME AND SHAME THESE COUNTRIES? >> BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THIS IS 481 00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:29,781 NOT IN THE INTEREST OF INTERNATIONAL POLICE COOPERATION. YOU NEED TO HAVE A PLATFORM 482 00:27:29,848 --> 00:27:30,000 WHERE INFORMATION IS BEING COLLECTED FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD, WHERE CRIMINAL GROUPS ARE OPERATING. 483 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,952 WHERE INFORMATION IS BEING COLLECTED FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE WORLD, WHERE CRIMINAL GROUPS ARE OPERATING. 484 00:27:34,019 --> 00:27:36,000 WE WANT TO PROVIDE A CHANNEL EVEN BETWEEN STATES THAT HAVE DIPLOMATIC DIFFICULTIES OR EVEN ARE IN CONFLICT. 485 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:42,000 WE WANT TO PROVIDE A CHANNEL EVEN BETWEEN STATES THAT HAVE DIPLOMATIC DIFFICULTIES OR EVEN ARE IN CONFLICT. 486 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,527 WE WANT TO PROVIDE A CHANNEL EVEN BETWEEN STATES THAT HAVE DIPLOMATIC DIFFICULTIES OR EVEN ARE IN CONFLICT. 487 00:27:42,594 --> 00:27:47,766 OUR DECISION IS NOT TO POLICE A MEMBER COUNTRY IN TERMS OF THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS AGENDA. THAT'S NOT OUR ROLE AS A 488 00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:48,000 TECHNICAL POLICE ORGANIZATION. >> THAT'S NOT JUSTICE. THAT IS NOT JUSTICE. WE GET IT RIGHT MOST OF THE 489 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,936 TECHNICAL POLICE ORGANIZATION. >> THAT'S NOT JUSTICE. THAT IS NOT JUSTICE. WE GET IT RIGHT MOST OF THE 490 00:27:52,003 --> 00:27:54,000 TIME. >> BRITISH BARRISTERS RHYS DAVIES AND BEN KEITH SAY IF INTERPOL IS TO SURVIVE ANOTHER 491 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,109 TIME. >> BRITISH BARRISTERS RHYS DAVIES AND BEN KEITH SAY IF INTERPOL IS TO SURVIVE ANOTHER 492 00:27:58,176 --> 00:28:00,000 100 YEARS, IT MUST LEARN TO POLICE ITSELF. >> WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW AND HUMAN RIGHTS, 493 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:06,000 100 YEARS, IT MUST LEARN TO POLICE ITSELF. >> WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW AND HUMAN RIGHTS, 494 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:06,317 100 YEARS, IT MUST LEARN TO POLICE ITSELF. >> WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW AND HUMAN RIGHTS, 495 00:28:06,384 --> 00:28:12,000 AND INTERPOL ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE WHO ARE ALLEGEDLY CRIMINALS AND LET INNOCENT PEOPLE GET CAUGHT UP IN 496 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,323 AND INTERPOL ARE CONCERNED ABOUT TRYING TO CATCH PEOPLE WHO ARE ALLEGEDLY CRIMINALS AND LET INNOCENT PEOPLE GET CAUGHT UP IN 497 00:28:12,390 --> 00:28:16,461 THE MIDDLE. IT FEELS LIKE THAT'S THE PRICE THEY'RE PREPARED TO PAY FOR CATCHING THE BAD GUYS. 498 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:18,000 AND WE THINK THE PRICE PAID IS FAR TOO HIGH. 499 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,964 AND WE THINK THE PRICE PAID IS FAR TOO HIGH. 500 00:28:30,542 --> 00:28:36,000 >>> THERE'S THE LOCH NESS MONSTER IN SCOTLAND. AND IN THE HIMALAYAS, THERE'S THE YETI, THE ABOMINABLE 501 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,582 >>> THERE'S THE LOCH NESS MONSTER IN SCOTLAND. AND IN THE HIMALAYAS, THERE'S THE YETI, THE ABOMINABLE 502 00:28:37,649 --> 00:28:42,000 SNOWMAN. IN TASMANIA, THE TEAR DROP OF AN ISLAND UNDER THE EYE OF THE AUSTRALIAN MAINLAND, THERE'S THE 503 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,557 SNOWMAN. IN TASMANIA, THE TEAR DROP OF AN ISLAND UNDER THE EYE OF THE AUSTRALIAN MAINLAND, THERE'S THE 504 00:28:45,623 --> 00:28:48,000 THYLACINE, A CREATURE WE FIRST REPORTED IN APRIL BRINGS OUT FOLKLORE AND FOLKS ARMED WITH GRAINY IMAGES CONVINCED THEY'VE 505 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,764 THYLACINE, A CREATURE WE FIRST REPORTED IN APRIL BRINGS OUT FOLKLORE AND FOLKS ARMED WITH GRAINY IMAGES CONVINCED THEY'VE 506 00:28:52,831 --> 00:28:54,000 SEEN A THING. UNLIKE MYTHICAL CREATURES, THE THYLACINE, OR TASMANIAN TIGER, ACTUALLY INDISPUTABLY EXISTED. 507 00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:00,000 SEEN A THING. UNLIKE MYTHICAL CREATURES, THE THYLACINE, OR TASMANIAN TIGER, ACTUALLY INDISPUTABLY EXISTED. 508 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,307 SEEN A THING. UNLIKE MYTHICAL CREATURES, THE THYLACINE, OR TASMANIAN TIGER, ACTUALLY INDISPUTABLY EXISTED. 509 00:29:02,373 --> 00:29:06,000 IT ROAMED THE ISLAND AS RECENTLY AS LAST CENTURY, WHICH GIVES HOPE TO SO MANY OBSESSIVES AND TRUE BELIEVERS LOOKING FOR THE 510 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:12,000 IT ROAMED THE ISLAND AS RECENTLY AS LAST CENTURY, WHICH GIVES HOPE TO SO MANY OBSESSIVES AND TRUE BELIEVERS LOOKING FOR THE 511 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,250 IT ROAMED THE ISLAND AS RECENTLY AS LAST CENTURY, WHICH GIVES HOPE TO SO MANY OBSESSIVES AND TRUE BELIEVERS LOOKING FOR THE 512 00:29:12,317 --> 00:29:18,000 TASMANIAN TIGER IN THE BUSH, AND AS YOU'LL SEE, IN THE LAB. THIS IS A STORY THAT SAYS SO MUCH ABOUT HUMAN NATURE AS IT 513 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,991 TASMANIAN TIGER IN THE BUSH, AND AS YOU'LL SEE, IN THE LAB. THIS IS A STORY THAT SAYS SO MUCH ABOUT HUMAN NATURE AS IT 514 00:29:20,058 --> 00:29:24,000 DOES NATURE NATURE. EVEN IN THE FACE OF SCIENCE AND LOGIC, PASSION SURVIVES IN THE WILD JUST FINE. 515 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,499 DOES NATURE NATURE. EVEN IN THE FACE OF SCIENCE AND LOGIC, PASSION SURVIVES IN THE WILD JUST FINE. 516 00:29:27,565 --> 00:29:30,000 >> YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS HOW MANY YEARS NOW? >> I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND EVERY DAY IS AN 517 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,003 >> YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS HOW MANY YEARS NOW? >> I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER 30 YEARS, AND EVERY DAY IS AN 518 00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:36,000 ADVENTURE. >> ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. >> GETTING THERE WASN'T EASY, 519 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:42,000 ADVENTURE. >> ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. >> GETTING THERE WASN'T EASY, 520 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:42,547 ADVENTURE. >> ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO. >> GETTING THERE WASN'T EASY, 521 00:29:42,614 --> 00:29:48,000 BUT ADRIAN "RICHO" RICHARDSON, A RETIRED MILITARY MAN TURNED SELF-DECLARED TIGER SEEKER, RETRACED HIS STEPS. 522 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,787 BUT ADRIAN "RICHO" RICHARDSON, A RETIRED MILITARY MAN TURNED SELF-DECLARED TIGER SEEKER, RETRACED HIS STEPS. 523 00:29:49,854 --> 00:29:54,000 TRAMPING AROUND THE DENSE OUTBACK OF TASMANIA ON JANUARY 28, 2017, 12:45 P.M., HE HEARD THE SOUND. 524 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,395 TRAMPING AROUND THE DENSE OUTBACK OF TASMANIA ON JANUARY 28, 2017, 12:45 P.M., HE HEARD THE SOUND. 525 00:29:57,462 --> 00:30:00,000 >> AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS THIS ALMIGHTY HOWL LIKE THIS. I WAS GOB SMACKED. THE HAIRS ON MY ARM AND MY NECK 526 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,000 >> AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS THIS ALMIGHTY HOWL LIKE THIS. I WAS GOB SMACKED. THE HAIRS ON MY ARM AND MY NECK 527 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,542 >> AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS THIS ALMIGHTY HOWL LIKE THIS. I WAS GOB SMACKED. THE HAIRS ON MY ARM AND MY NECK 528 00:30:10,608 --> 00:30:12,000 STOOD ON END. AND AS THAT CALL FINISHED, ANOTHER ONE COME FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FOREST, ANOTHER HOWL 529 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,682 STOOD ON END. AND AS THAT CALL FINISHED, ANOTHER ONE COME FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FOREST, ANOTHER HOWL 530 00:30:17,749 --> 00:30:18,000 LIKE THAT. >> WHAT DID THAT ONE SOUND LIKE? >> EXACTLY LIKE -- >> RICHO CRANED HIS NECK BUT SAW 531 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,754 LIKE THAT. >> WHAT DID THAT ONE SOUND LIKE? >> EXACTLY LIKE -- >> RICHO CRANED HIS NECK BUT SAW 532 00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:24,000 NO CREATURE. STILL, HE'S SURE OF WHAT IT WAS, A TASMANIAN TIGER. >> THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT WENT 533 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,000 NO CREATURE. STILL, HE'S SURE OF WHAT IT WAS, A TASMANIAN TIGER. >> THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT WENT 534 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:36,000 NO CREATURE. STILL, HE'S SURE OF WHAT IT WAS, A TASMANIAN TIGER. >> THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT WENT 535 00:30:36,067 --> 00:30:40,538 QUIET FOR ABOUT A MINUTE. IT WAS AN UNBELIEVABLE FEELING. I JUST CAN'T EXPLAIN IT. >> YOU'RE STILL EMOTIONAL 536 00:30:40,605 --> 00:30:42,000 TALKING ABOUT THIS. >> LOOK, I'M GOING TO REMEMBER THAT CALL TO THE TIME I DIE. THEN I HAD TO TRY AND PROVE TO 537 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,911 TALKING ABOUT THIS. >> LOOK, I'M GOING TO REMEMBER THAT CALL TO THE TIME I DIE. THEN I HAD TO TRY AND PROVE TO 538 00:30:46,978 --> 00:30:48,000 OTHERS WHAT I'D HEARD. >> Reporter: WHEN HE RETURNED TO HIS HOME IN HOBART, TASMANIA'S CAPITAL, HE DIDN'T GO 539 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:54,000 OTHERS WHAT I'D HEARD. >> Reporter: WHEN HE RETURNED TO HIS HOME IN HOBART, TASMANIA'S CAPITAL, HE DIDN'T GO 540 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,987 OTHERS WHAT I'D HEARD. >> Reporter: WHEN HE RETURNED TO HIS HOME IN HOBART, TASMANIA'S CAPITAL, HE DIDN'T GO 541 00:30:56,054 --> 00:31:00,000 TO THE PUB TO SHARE HIS ACCOUNT. HE STAYED UP AT HIS DESK. >> WHAT MY PASSION IS THE THYLACINE. 542 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,095 TO THE PUB TO SHARE HIS ACCOUNT. HE STAYED UP AT HIS DESK. >> WHAT MY PASSION IS THE THYLACINE. 543 00:31:04,162 --> 00:31:06,000 I KNOW IT'S THERE. >> AND THIS ONLY REINFORCED YOUR FAITH. >> OH, WITHOUT A DOUBT. 544 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,201 I KNOW IT'S THERE. >> AND THIS ONLY REINFORCED YOUR FAITH. >> OH, WITHOUT A DOUBT. 545 00:31:10,268 --> 00:31:12,000 >> ONE SLIGHT HITCH, ONE CRIMP ON THE BARBIE, AS IT WERE, THE CREATURE RICHO DESCRIBED SO VIVIDLY AND BREATHLESSLY, IT WAS 546 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:18,000 >> ONE SLIGHT HITCH, ONE CRIMP ON THE BARBIE, AS IT WERE, THE CREATURE RICHO DESCRIBED SO VIVIDLY AND BREATHLESSLY, IT WAS 547 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,643 >> ONE SLIGHT HITCH, ONE CRIMP ON THE BARBIE, AS IT WERE, THE CREATURE RICHO DESCRIBED SO VIVIDLY AND BREATHLESSLY, IT WAS 548 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:24,000 DECLARED EXTINCT ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO. >> THOUGHT MAYBE IT'S A DINGO. MAYBE IT'S A WOLF. 549 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,685 DECLARED EXTINCT ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO. >> THOUGHT MAYBE IT'S A DINGO. MAYBE IT'S A WOLF. 550 00:31:27,752 --> 00:31:30,000 >> IN TASMANIA, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE IT. WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE WILD DOGS IN ANY FORM. 551 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,056 >> IN TASMANIA, WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE IT. WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE WILD DOGS IN ANY FORM. 552 00:31:32,123 --> 00:31:36,000 THE ONLY FERAL THING WE HAVE AROUND HERE IS DEER OR CATS. >> I DON'T THINK DEERS ARE MAKING THAT NOISE YOU JUST MADE. 553 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,866 THE ONLY FERAL THING WE HAVE AROUND HERE IS DEER OR CATS. >> I DON'T THINK DEERS ARE MAKING THAT NOISE YOU JUST MADE. 554 00:31:41,933 --> 00:31:42,000 >> NO, SIR, THEY DID NOT. >> THE TASMANIAN TIGER ROAMED THESE PARTS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. 555 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:48,000 >> NO, SIR, THEY DID NOT. >> THE TASMANIAN TIGER ROAMED THESE PARTS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. 556 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,775 >> NO, SIR, THEY DID NOT. >> THE TASMANIAN TIGER ROAMED THESE PARTS FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. 557 00:31:50,842 --> 00:31:54,000 MORE WOLF THAN TIGER, IT WAS/IS A MARSUPIAL WEIGHING ABOUT 55 POUNDS. >> THE TASMANIAN TIGER. 558 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,000 MORE WOLF THAN TIGER, IT WAS/IS A MARSUPIAL WEIGHING ABOUT 55 POUNDS. >> THE TASMANIAN TIGER. 559 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,118 MORE WOLF THAN TIGER, IT WAS/IS A MARSUPIAL WEIGHING ABOUT 55 POUNDS. >> THE TASMANIAN TIGER. 560 00:32:00,184 --> 00:32:06,000 >> Reporter: IT WAS ALSO A CARNIVORE THAT PREYED ON FARMERS' SHEEP. RECALLING THE FATE OF THE WOLF 561 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,526 >> Reporter: IT WAS ALSO A CARNIVORE THAT PREYED ON FARMERS' SHEEP. RECALLING THE FATE OF THE WOLF 562 00:32:08,593 --> 00:32:12,000 OF THE AMERICAN WEST AROUND THE SAME TIME, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PAID OUT BOUNTIES TO HUNTERS PRESENTING CARCASSES. 563 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,798 OF THE AMERICAN WEST AROUND THE SAME TIME, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PAID OUT BOUNTIES TO HUNTERS PRESENTING CARCASSES. 564 00:32:13,865 --> 00:32:18,000 THE POPULATION DWINDLED ONE, CAPTIVE AT THE ZOO, WHERE IT DIED IN 1936. WITH THE REQUIRED 50 YEARS 565 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,940 THE POPULATION DWINDLED ONE, CAPTIVE AT THE ZOO, WHERE IT DIED IN 1936. WITH THE REQUIRED 50 YEARS 566 00:32:23,007 --> 00:32:24,000 ELAPSING WITHOUT A CONFIRMED SIGHTING, THE TIGER WAS PUT ON THE EXTINCT LIST IN 1986. YET PUTTING THE MANIA IN 567 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,580 ELAPSING WITHOUT A CONFIRMED SIGHTING, THE TIGER WAS PUT ON THE EXTINCT LIST IN 1986. YET PUTTING THE MANIA IN 568 00:32:29,647 --> 00:32:30,000 TASMANIA, THE SEARCH BECAME A NATIONAL OBSESSION. IN THE TASMANIAN TIGER, NOT THE TASMANIAN DEVIL, BECAME A LOCAL 569 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,385 TASMANIA, THE SEARCH BECAME A NATIONAL OBSESSION. IN THE TASMANIAN TIGER, NOT THE TASMANIAN DEVIL, BECAME A LOCAL 570 00:32:34,452 --> 00:32:36,000 MASCOT. ITS IMAGE ADORNS TASMANIA'S COAT OF ARMS AND GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. 571 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,057 MASCOT. ITS IMAGE ADORNS TASMANIA'S COAT OF ARMS AND GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS. 572 00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,000 HERE'S THE ISLAND'S CURRENT LICENSE PLATE. AT LOCAL WATERING HOLES, THE REGULARS PUT DOWN THEIR TAZZY 573 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:48,000 HERE'S THE ISLAND'S CURRENT LICENSE PLATE. AT LOCAL WATERING HOLES, THE REGULARS PUT DOWN THEIR TAZZY 574 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,538 HERE'S THE ISLAND'S CURRENT LICENSE PLATE. AT LOCAL WATERING HOLES, THE REGULARS PUT DOWN THEIR TAZZY 575 00:32:53,604 --> 00:32:54,000 TIGER BEER LONG ENOUGH TO TELL YOU THEY'VE SEEN THE ANIMAL, OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS. >> HELD A TORCH ON IT FOR 40 576 00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:00,000 TIGER BEER LONG ENOUGH TO TELL YOU THEY'VE SEEN THE ANIMAL, OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS. >> HELD A TORCH ON IT FOR 40 577 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:00,144 TIGER BEER LONG ENOUGH TO TELL YOU THEY'VE SEEN THE ANIMAL, OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS. >> HELD A TORCH ON IT FOR 40 578 00:33:00,211 --> 00:33:04,215 SECONDS, I RECKON. >> WHEN NICK MOONEY WAS A BIOLOGIST, IT FELL TO HIM TO INVESTIGATE THE VARIOUS 579 00:33:04,282 --> 00:33:06,000 TASMANIAN TIGER ACCOUNTS. NOW, IN RETIREMENT, HE'S THE ISLANDS UNOFFICIAL ARBITER. >> I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO 580 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:12,000 TASMANIAN TIGER ACCOUNTS. NOW, IN RETIREMENT, HE'S THE ISLANDS UNOFFICIAL ARBITER. >> I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO 581 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:12,190 TASMANIAN TIGER ACCOUNTS. NOW, IN RETIREMENT, HE'S THE ISLANDS UNOFFICIAL ARBITER. >> I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO 582 00:33:12,256 --> 00:33:18,000 HAVE GOT CLASSES OF CAMERAS IN VERY REMOTE AREAS, SERVICED REMOTELY BY SATELLITE, AND WHO GO AND CHECK ON THE CAMERAS WITH 583 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:18,830 HAVE GOT CLASSES OF CAMERAS IN VERY REMOTE AREAS, SERVICED REMOTELY BY SATELLITE, AND WHO GO AND CHECK ON THE CAMERAS WITH 584 00:33:18,896 --> 00:33:24,000 THEIR OWN HELICOPTER, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. >> YOU MOVED WAY BEYOND THE GUY WITH BINOCULARS SAYING, I THINK 585 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,237 THEIR OWN HELICOPTER, ALL SORTS OF THINGS. >> YOU MOVED WAY BEYOND THE GUY WITH BINOCULARS SAYING, I THINK 586 00:33:26,304 --> 00:33:30,000 I MAY HAVE SEEN SOMETHING. >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. >> Reporter: HE CAN'T HELP NOTICE, NO ONE EVER QUITE 587 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,945 I MAY HAVE SEEN SOMETHING. >> OH, ABSOLUTELY. >> Reporter: HE CAN'T HELP NOTICE, NO ONE EVER QUITE 588 00:33:34,011 --> 00:33:36,000 CAPTURES A CLEAR IMAGE. STILL, REPORTED SIGHTINGS COME BY THE THOUSANDS. >> HAVE YOU EVER GOT A REPORT 589 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,451 CAPTURES A CLEAR IMAGE. STILL, REPORTED SIGHTINGS COME BY THE THOUSANDS. >> HAVE YOU EVER GOT A REPORT 590 00:33:40,518 --> 00:33:42,000 THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE PAUSE? >> YES. SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE DEAD ACCURATE WITH THE TIMES, THE 591 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:48,000 THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE PAUSE? >> YES. SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE DEAD ACCURATE WITH THE TIMES, THE 592 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,626 THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE PAUSE? >> YES. SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE DEAD ACCURATE WITH THE TIMES, THE 593 00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:54,000 PLACES, THE DISTANCES. AND VERY GOOD NATURALISTS OFTEN DON'T EXAGGERATE. THEY TAKE THEIR SKILLS VERY 594 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,669 PLACES, THE DISTANCES. AND VERY GOOD NATURALISTS OFTEN DON'T EXAGGERATE. THEY TAKE THEIR SKILLS VERY 595 00:33:58,736 --> 00:34:00,000 SERIOUSLY. AND IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK YOU SAW A THYLACINE. 596 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,109 SERIOUSLY. AND IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY TO THOSE PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK YOU SAW A THYLACINE. 597 00:34:05,176 --> 00:34:06,000 >> Reporter: FOR THE DEVOTED ARMY OF SEEKERS, THE INVESTMENT ISN'T JUST ONE OF HOPE AND TIME. EACH YEAR, RICHO SPENDS MORE 598 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,000 >> Reporter: FOR THE DEVOTED ARMY OF SEEKERS, THE INVESTMENT ISN'T JUST ONE OF HOPE AND TIME. EACH YEAR, RICHO SPENDS MORE 599 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,784 >> Reporter: FOR THE DEVOTED ARMY OF SEEKERS, THE INVESTMENT ISN'T JUST ONE OF HOPE AND TIME. EACH YEAR, RICHO SPENDS MORE 600 00:34:12,850 --> 00:34:18,000 THAN HE CARES TO ADMIT DOLLARS ON TRAIL CAM BATTERIES ALONE. >> HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU SUNK INTO THIS OBSESSION? 601 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,660 THAN HE CARES TO ADMIT DOLLARS ON TRAIL CAM BATTERIES ALONE. >> HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE YOU SUNK INTO THIS OBSESSION? 602 00:34:22,727 --> 00:34:24,000 >> SIR, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SPECULATE, AND PLEASE DON'T TELL MY WIFE. >> MAKE IT OUR SECRET. 603 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,000 >> SIR, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SPECULATE, AND PLEASE DON'T TELL MY WIFE. >> MAKE IT OUR SECRET. 604 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:30,234 >> SIR, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO SPECULATE, AND PLEASE DON'T TELL MY WIFE. >> MAKE IT OUR SECRET. 605 00:34:30,301 --> 00:34:36,000 >> SHE OFTEN ASKS AND I GO DON'T -- CAN WE STOP THAT ONE? CAN WE READ THROUGH THAT ONE 606 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,041 >> SHE OFTEN ASKS AND I GO DON'T -- CAN WE STOP THAT ONE? CAN WE READ THROUGH THAT ONE 607 00:34:37,108 --> 00:34:42,000 AGAIN? >> Reporter: IN THE BUSH, WE MET ANOTHER ENTHUSIAST, CHRIS REHBERG, AND APPROACHES THE 608 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,082 AGAIN? >> Reporter: IN THE BUSH, WE MET ANOTHER ENTHUSIAST, CHRIS REHBERG, AND APPROACHES THE 609 00:34:45,149 --> 00:34:48,000 MATTER IN THE MANNER OF A CSI DETECTIVE. >> APART FROM THE CAMERAS, I GATHER YOU'VE BEEN SCOURING 610 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,888 MATTER IN THE MANNER OF A CSI DETECTIVE. >> APART FROM THE CAMERAS, I GATHER YOU'VE BEEN SCOURING 611 00:34:50,955 --> 00:34:54,000 FOR PRINTS, FIR, EVEN POO. >> YEAH, EVERYTHING. FOOTPRINTS IS A BIG ONE. I FOUND A SERIES OF 18, 19 612 00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:00,000 FOR PRINTS, FIR, EVEN POO. >> YEAH, EVERYTHING. FOOTPRINTS IS A BIG ONE. I FOUND A SERIES OF 18, 19 613 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,399 FOR PRINTS, FIR, EVEN POO. >> YEAH, EVERYTHING. FOOTPRINTS IS A BIG ONE. I FOUND A SERIES OF 18, 19 614 00:35:01,466 --> 00:35:06,000 INDIVIDUAL STEPS IN A TRACK LINE THAT ARE AN EXCELLENT MATCH FOR TASSIE TIGER. NOT ONLY ARE THEY AN EXCELLENT 615 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:12,000 INDIVIDUAL STEPS IN A TRACK LINE THAT ARE AN EXCELLENT MATCH FOR TASSIE TIGER. NOT ONLY ARE THEY AN EXCELLENT 616 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,180 INDIVIDUAL STEPS IN A TRACK LINE THAT ARE AN EXCELLENT MATCH FOR TASSIE TIGER. NOT ONLY ARE THEY AN EXCELLENT 617 00:35:16,247 --> 00:35:18,000 MATCH, THE QUALITY OF THE PRINTS IS PRISTINE. CHECK IT OUT. WHAT'S THE ANIMAL BEEN EATING? 618 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,283 MATCH, THE QUALITY OF THE PRINTS IS PRISTINE. CHECK IT OUT. WHAT'S THE ANIMAL BEEN EATING? 619 00:35:19,350 --> 00:35:23,621 >> THERE ARE EVEN TRACKING COLLECTIVES. RICHO WAS PART OF A BOOTH RICHARDSON TIGER TEAM. 620 00:35:23,688 --> 00:35:24,000 >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A HISTORIC DAY. >> WHICH MADE WORLDWIDE NEWS IN 621 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,359 >> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A HISTORIC DAY. >> WHICH MADE WORLDWIDE NEWS IN 622 00:35:28,426 --> 00:35:30,000 2017, AFTER CALLING A PRESS CONFERENCE TO ANNOUNCE A SIGHTING. BUT WHEN THEY PROVIDED THIS 623 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,665 2017, AFTER CALLING A PRESS CONFERENCE TO ANNOUNCE A SIGHTING. BUT WHEN THEY PROVIDED THIS 624 00:35:34,732 --> 00:35:36,000 IMAGE AS PROOF, NICK MOONEY ASSESSED IT AS A CHANCE BUT NOT AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. >> WHAT IS THE MIDDLE GROUND? 625 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,000 IMAGE AS PROOF, NICK MOONEY ASSESSED IT AS A CHANCE BUT NOT AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. >> WHAT IS THE MIDDLE GROUND? 626 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,878 IMAGE AS PROOF, NICK MOONEY ASSESSED IT AS A CHANCE BUT NOT AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. >> WHAT IS THE MIDDLE GROUND? 627 00:35:46,944 --> 00:35:48,000 YOU CAN BE RIGHT, YOU CAN BE LYING, OR WHAT? OR YOU CAN HAVE AN ILLUSION. >> AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WAYS 628 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,000 YOU CAN BE RIGHT, YOU CAN BE LYING, OR WHAT? OR YOU CAN HAVE AN ILLUSION. >> AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WAYS 629 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,453 YOU CAN BE RIGHT, YOU CAN BE LYING, OR WHAT? OR YOU CAN HAVE AN ILLUSION. >> AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WAYS 630 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,524 THAT OUR MEMORY CAN BE AFFECTED BY TIME. I'VE HAD LOTS OF TALKS WITH PSYCHIATRISTS AND DETECTIVES 631 00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:00,000 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS. YOU REALLY OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE, A PERSONAL CALL IN THE END -- 632 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:06,000 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS. YOU REALLY OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE, A PERSONAL CALL IN THE END -- 633 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,664 TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS. YOU REALLY OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE, A PERSONAL CALL IN THE END -- 634 00:36:06,731 --> 00:36:12,000 >> TO ESSENTIALLY TELL THEM THEY'RE WRONG AND THEIR MIND IS DECEIVING THEM. >> YOU CAN'T TELL THEM THAT 635 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,338 >> TO ESSENTIALLY TELL THEM THEY'RE WRONG AND THEIR MIND IS DECEIVING THEM. >> YOU CAN'T TELL THEM THAT 636 00:36:14,405 --> 00:36:18,000 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW. IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DON'T KNOW. >> RICHO AND THE OTHER SEEKERS 637 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,943 BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW. IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DON'T KNOW. >> RICHO AND THE OTHER SEEKERS 638 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:24,000 WON'T HAVE TO WAIT LONG. THEY WON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO INTO THE BUSH IF A GROUP OF BIOLOGISTS AND INVESTORS DELIVER 639 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,250 WON'T HAVE TO WAIT LONG. THEY WON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO INTO THE BUSH IF A GROUP OF BIOLOGISTS AND INVESTORS DELIVER 640 00:36:26,317 --> 00:36:30,000 ON THEIR GOAL. ANDREW PASK COMES TO THE QUEST ARMED WITH A MICROSCOPE. >> I THINK ABOUT IT ALL THE 641 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:36,000 ON THEIR GOAL. ANDREW PASK COMES TO THE QUEST ARMED WITH A MICROSCOPE. >> I THINK ABOUT IT ALL THE 642 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,530 ON THEIR GOAL. ANDREW PASK COMES TO THE QUEST ARMED WITH A MICROSCOPE. >> I THINK ABOUT IT ALL THE 643 00:36:39,597 --> 00:36:41,799 TIME. IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE IN THAT LANDSCAPE AND TO SEE ONE WALKING PAST IN THE PUSH, AN ACTUAL ONE 644 00:36:41,866 --> 00:36:42,000 RATHER THAN A CRAPPY PHOTOGRAPH. >> TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. >> WE CAN'T MAGICALLY BRING THE 645 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,805 RATHER THAN A CRAPPY PHOTOGRAPH. >> TELL US EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING. >> WE CAN'T MAGICALLY BRING THE 646 00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:48,000 TASMANIAN TIGER BACK. WE HAVE TO START WITH A LIVING CELL AND THEN ENGINEER OUR THYLACINE BACK INTO EXISTENCE. 647 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,000 TASMANIAN TIGER BACK. WE HAVE TO START WITH A LIVING CELL AND THEN ENGINEER OUR THYLACINE BACK INTO EXISTENCE. 648 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,182 TASMANIAN TIGER BACK. WE HAVE TO START WITH A LIVING CELL AND THEN ENGINEER OUR THYLACINE BACK INTO EXISTENCE. 649 00:36:58,249 --> 00:37:00,000 YOU FIND THE CLOSEST LIVING RELATIVE TO YOUR ANIMAL THAT HAS GONE EXTINCT. FOR US, THAT IS A SMALL 650 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,956 YOU FIND THE CLOSEST LIVING RELATIVE TO YOUR ANIMAL THAT HAS GONE EXTINCT. FOR US, THAT IS A SMALL 651 00:37:05,022 --> 00:37:06,000 MARSUPIAL SPECIES CALLED THE FAT-TAILED -- >> A DEVELOPMENTAL BIOLOGIST, PASK HAS RAISED $15Â MILLION FOR 652 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,996 MARSUPIAL SPECIES CALLED THE FAT-TAILED -- >> A DEVELOPMENTAL BIOLOGIST, PASK HAS RAISED $15Â MILLION FOR 653 00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:18,000 A DE-EXTINCTION PROJECT THAT RECALLS "JURASSIC PARK." IN PARTNERSHIP WITH AMERICAN COMPANY, COLOSSAL BIOSCIENCES 654 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,641 A DE-EXTINCTION PROJECT THAT RECALLS "JURASSIC PARK." IN PARTNERSHIP WITH AMERICAN COMPANY, COLOSSAL BIOSCIENCES 655 00:37:23,708 --> 00:37:24,000 WHICH COUNTS -- WAIT FOR IT -- LEONARDO DiCAPRIO, PARIS HILTON, AND EVEN THE CIA AMONG ITS ADVOCATES. 656 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,000 WHICH COUNTS -- WAIT FOR IT -- LEONARDO DiCAPRIO, PARIS HILTON, AND EVEN THE CIA AMONG ITS ADVOCATES. 657 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,419 WHICH COUNTS -- WAIT FOR IT -- LEONARDO DiCAPRIO, PARIS HILTON, AND EVEN THE CIA AMONG ITS ADVOCATES. 658 00:37:35,486 --> 00:37:36,000 HE'S AVID HE'LL -- WE'LL LET HIM EXPLAIN. >> WE EXAMINE ALL OF ITS DNA. WE COMPARE THAT TO THE DNA OF 659 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,122 HE'S AVID HE'LL -- WE'LL LET HIM EXPLAIN. >> WE EXAMINE ALL OF ITS DNA. WE COMPARE THAT TO THE DNA OF 660 00:37:38,189 --> 00:37:42,000 YOUR EXTINCT SPECIES, THE TASMANIAN TIGER, AND WE LOOK AT EVERYWHERE THAT THOSE TWO GENOMES OR THOSE TWO PILES OF 661 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,297 YOUR EXTINCT SPECIES, THE TASMANIAN TIGER, AND WE LOOK AT EVERYWHERE THAT THOSE TWO GENOMES OR THOSE TWO PILES OF 662 00:37:46,364 --> 00:37:48,000 DNA, IF YOU LIKE, ARE DIFFERENT. AND ONCE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THE DIFFERENCES, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEN GOING IN AND MAKING ALL 663 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,404 DNA, IF YOU LIKE, ARE DIFFERENT. AND ONCE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THE DIFFERENCES, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF THEN GOING IN AND MAKING ALL 664 00:37:53,471 --> 00:37:54,000 OF THOSE EDITS TO TURN YOUR FAT TAIL DUNNART INTO A CELL. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT DUNNART IS CLOSER THAN THE TASMANIAN DEVIL. 665 00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,000 OF THOSE EDITS TO TURN YOUR FAT TAIL DUNNART INTO A CELL. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT DUNNART IS CLOSER THAN THE TASMANIAN DEVIL. 666 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:06,000 OF THOSE EDITS TO TURN YOUR FAT TAIL DUNNART INTO A CELL. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT DUNNART IS CLOSER THAN THE TASMANIAN DEVIL. 667 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,084 OF THOSE EDITS TO TURN YOUR FAT TAIL DUNNART INTO A CELL. >> YOU'RE SAYING THAT DUNNART IS CLOSER THAN THE TASMANIAN DEVIL. 668 00:38:07,151 --> 00:38:12,000 >> THAT LITTLE DUNNART IS A FEROCIOUS CARNIVORE EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY, VERY SMALL. AND IT'S A VERY GOOD SURROGATE 669 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,591 >> THAT LITTLE DUNNART IS A FEROCIOUS CARNIVORE EVEN THOUGH IT'S VERY, VERY SMALL. AND IT'S A VERY GOOD SURROGATE 670 00:38:13,658 --> 00:38:18,000 FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THIS EDITING IN. >> Reporter: A NATIVE OF MINNESOTA, KRIS HELGEN IS 671 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000 FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THIS EDITING IN. >> Reporter: A NATIVE OF MINNESOTA, KRIS HELGEN IS 672 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,935 FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THIS EDITING IN. >> Reporter: A NATIVE OF MINNESOTA, KRIS HELGEN IS 673 00:38:25,002 --> 00:38:28,072 CREATIVE OF THE RESEARCH INSTITUTE IN SYDNEY. HE UNDERSTANDS THE PUSH TO DEEXTINCT THE TASSIE TIGER. 674 00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:30,000 >> THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE MAMMALS. >> REALLY? >> AND I LOVE ALL MAMMALS. 675 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,410 >> THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE MAMMALS. >> REALLY? >> AND I LOVE ALL MAMMALS. 676 00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:36,000 I AM A MAMMAL GUY. THIS IS A SPECIAL, SPECIAL ANIMAL. >> HE TOOK US UPSTAIRS TO HIS 677 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:36,547 I AM A MAMMAL GUY. THIS IS A SPECIAL, SPECIAL ANIMAL. >> HE TOOK US UPSTAIRS TO HIS 678 00:38:36,614 --> 00:38:42,000 LAB TO SHOW US WHY. >> SO, THIS IS TASMANIAN TIGER OF THE 19th CENTURY. >> SEE THE STRIPES, SEE THE 679 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:48,000 LAB TO SHOW US WHY. >> SO, THIS IS TASMANIAN TIGER OF THE 19th CENTURY. >> SEE THE STRIPES, SEE THE 680 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,526 LAB TO SHOW US WHY. >> SO, THIS IS TASMANIAN TIGER OF THE 19th CENTURY. >> SEE THE STRIPES, SEE THE 681 00:38:48,592 --> 00:38:52,596 THICK TAIL, SEE THE GAPING MOUTH WITH THE SHARP TEETH. >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS DE-EXTINCTION EFFORT WITH 682 00:38:52,663 --> 00:38:54,000 RESPECT TO THE TASMANIAN TIGER. >> I WOULD BE THE FIRST PERSON TO LINE UP TO SEE THIS ANIMAL IF IT COULD BE SOMEHOW BROUGHT BACK 683 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,935 RESPECT TO THE TASMANIAN TIGER. >> I WOULD BE THE FIRST PERSON TO LINE UP TO SEE THIS ANIMAL IF IT COULD BE SOMEHOW BROUGHT BACK 684 00:38:58,002 --> 00:39:00,000 FROM EXTINCTION. >> THAT SAID, HELGEN IS THE SKEPTIC, GENTLY EXPLAINING THAT WISHING TASSIE TIGERS WERE 685 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,000 FROM EXTINCTION. >> THAT SAID, HELGEN IS THE SKEPTIC, GENTLY EXPLAINING THAT WISHING TASSIE TIGERS WERE 686 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,612 FROM EXTINCTION. >> THAT SAID, HELGEN IS THE SKEPTIC, GENTLY EXPLAINING THAT WISHING TASSIE TIGERS WERE 687 00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:12,000 RUNNING RAMPANT DOESN'T OVERCOME SCIENCE. >> THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY TWEAK THE DNA OF THIS 688 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,851 RUNNING RAMPANT DOESN'T OVERCOME SCIENCE. >> THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY TWEAK THE DNA OF THIS 689 00:39:13,918 --> 00:39:18,000 MOUSE-SIZED ANIMAL INTO MAKING THIS APEX PREDATOR OF AUSTRALIA, IT STRETCHES IMAGINATION IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. 690 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:24,000 MOUSE-SIZED ANIMAL INTO MAKING THIS APEX PREDATOR OF AUSTRALIA, IT STRETCHES IMAGINATION IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. 691 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,595 MOUSE-SIZED ANIMAL INTO MAKING THIS APEX PREDATOR OF AUSTRALIA, IT STRETCHES IMAGINATION IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. 692 00:39:24,662 --> 00:39:30,000 THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE PROJECT. >> WE ALL LOVE OPTIMISM. WE ALL LOVE INNOVATION. >> WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WE'RE 693 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,168 THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE PROJECT. >> WE ALL LOVE OPTIMISM. WE ALL LOVE INNOVATION. >> WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WE'RE 694 00:39:31,235 --> 00:39:36,000 GOING TO MODIFY THE GENOME OF A DUNNART TO CREATE A GENETICALLY MODIFIED DUNNART THAT MIGHT LOOK A BIT MORE LIKE A THYLACINE. 695 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,212 GOING TO MODIFY THE GENOME OF A DUNNART TO CREATE A GENETICALLY MODIFIED DUNNART THAT MIGHT LOOK A BIT MORE LIKE A THYLACINE. 696 00:39:41,278 --> 00:39:42,000 MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT GENETICALLY AND IT GETS BIGGER. MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT GENETICALLY AND IT HAS STEPS ON 697 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,881 MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT GENETICALLY AND IT GETS BIGGER. MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT GENETICALLY AND IT HAS STEPS ON 698 00:39:43,948 --> 00:39:48,000 IT. BUT THERE'S ABOUT 1,001 STEPS IN BETWEEN. >> HELGEN HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THE 699 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,257 IT. BUT THERE'S ABOUT 1,001 STEPS IN BETWEEN. >> HELGEN HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THE 700 00:39:53,324 --> 00:39:54,000 SOURCE OF THE CURRENT TASSIE TIGER OBSESSION AND WONDERS HOW MUCH IS DRIVEN BY REMORSE. >> IT'S A SPECIAL SYMBOL ABOUT 701 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,129 SOURCE OF THE CURRENT TASSIE TIGER OBSESSION AND WONDERS HOW MUCH IS DRIVEN BY REMORSE. >> IT'S A SPECIAL SYMBOL ABOUT 702 00:39:58,195 --> 00:40:00,000 AUSTRALIA AND ABOUT WHAT WE'VE LOST. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXTINCTIONS HERE IN THE LAST 100, 200 YEARS. 703 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,000 AUSTRALIA AND ABOUT WHAT WE'VE LOST. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXTINCTIONS HERE IN THE LAST 100, 200 YEARS. 704 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,241 AUSTRALIA AND ABOUT WHAT WE'VE LOST. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXTINCTIONS HERE IN THE LAST 100, 200 YEARS. 705 00:40:10,307 --> 00:40:12,000 30 MAMMALS ALONE. SO, IN THE UNITED STATES, ONLY ONE OR TWO MAMMAL SPECIES HAVE DISAPPEARED ENTIRELY. 706 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,878 30 MAMMALS ALONE. SO, IN THE UNITED STATES, ONLY ONE OR TWO MAMMAL SPECIES HAVE DISAPPEARED ENTIRELY. 707 00:40:13,944 --> 00:40:18,000 >> WHY AREN'T PEOPLE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY? AND WHY ARE PEOPLE INVESTING SO MUCH IN THIS? 708 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,618 >> WHY AREN'T PEOPLE TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY? AND WHY ARE PEOPLE INVESTING SO MUCH IN THIS? 709 00:40:20,684 --> 00:40:24,000 >> SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE DREAM, IF WE CAN JUST GET THIS ANIMAL BACK. MAYBE IT WOULD HELP US THINK 710 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,589 >> SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE DREAM, IF WE CAN JUST GET THIS ANIMAL BACK. MAYBE IT WOULD HELP US THINK 711 00:40:25,656 --> 00:40:30,000 DIFFERENT ABOUT EXTINCTION OR THE GUILT THAT WE MIGHT FEEL OF HAVING REMOVED SUCH A SPECIAL ANIMAL FROM THE PLANET, WHETHER, 712 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,964 DIFFERENT ABOUT EXTINCTION OR THE GUILT THAT WE MIGHT FEEL OF HAVING REMOVED SUCH A SPECIAL ANIMAL FROM THE PLANET, WHETHER, 713 00:40:34,031 --> 00:40:36,000 YOU KNOW, THEY IMAGINED IT MIGHT BE STILL HIDING IN TASMANIA OR IN A LAB TO BE REBORN. THERE IS THIS BURNING HOPE. 714 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,304 YOU KNOW, THEY IMAGINED IT MIGHT BE STILL HIDING IN TASMANIA OR IN A LAB TO BE REBORN. THERE IS THIS BURNING HOPE. 715 00:40:40,371 --> 00:40:42,000 >> RICHO RECKONS THAT IF HIS COUNTRYMEN IN THE DNA SEQUENCING LABS CAN RESURRECT A TASSIE TIGER, GOOD ON THEM. 716 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:48,000 >> RICHO RECKONS THAT IF HIS COUNTRYMEN IN THE DNA SEQUENCING LABS CAN RESURRECT A TASSIE TIGER, GOOD ON THEM. 717 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,612 >> RICHO RECKONS THAT IF HIS COUNTRYMEN IN THE DNA SEQUENCING LABS CAN RESURRECT A TASSIE TIGER, GOOD ON THEM. 718 00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:54,000 BUT REGARDLESS, HE'LL CONTINUE COMING HERE. FAITH UNSHAKEN, HE'S CERTAIN THIS ANIMAL, MOST FAMOUS FOR 719 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,020 BUT REGARDLESS, HE'LL CONTINUE COMING HERE. FAITH UNSHAKEN, HE'S CERTAIN THIS ANIMAL, MOST FAMOUS FOR 720 00:40:56,086 --> 00:41:00,000 BEING EXTINCT, IS NOT EXTINCT AT ALL. >> IF SOMEONE ACCUSED YOU OF BEING OBSESSED, WOULD YOU PLEAD 721 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,527 BEING EXTINCT, IS NOT EXTINCT AT ALL. >> IF SOMEONE ACCUSED YOU OF BEING OBSESSED, WOULD YOU PLEAD 722 00:41:03,594 --> 00:41:06,000 GUILTY? >> CERTAINLY. I AM UP TO THAT. YOUR HONOR, I AM GUILTY. 723 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,334 GUILTY? >> CERTAINLY. I AM UP TO THAT. YOUR HONOR, I AM GUILTY. 724 00:41:10,401 --> 00:41:12,000 >> YOU'RE A TASMANIAN TIGER OBSESSIVE. >> I AM, INDEED. IT'S BEEN MY LOVE. 725 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,505 >> YOU'RE A TASMANIAN TIGER OBSESSIVE. >> I AM, INDEED. IT'S BEEN MY LOVE. 726 00:41:14,572 --> 00:41:17,141 >> WHY IS THAT? WHY HAVE YOU CONTINUED TO SEARCH SO LONG FOR THIS? >> I JUST KNOW IT'S THERE. 727 00:41:17,208 --> 00:41:18,000 I DO. IN MY OWN HEART, I KNOW IT'S THERE. >> AND IF IT ISN'T THERE, WELL, 728 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,413 I DO. IN MY OWN HEART, I KNOW IT'S THERE. >> AND IF IT ISN'T THERE, WELL, 729 00:41:22,479 --> 00:41:24,000 WE SAY, WHAT'S THE HARM IN SEARCHING? COMING TO THE PLANET'S SUBBASEMENT, BUSH BASHING THIS 730 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:30,000 WE SAY, WHAT'S THE HARM IN SEARCHING? COMING TO THE PLANET'S SUBBASEMENT, BUSH BASHING THIS 731 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,690 WE SAY, WHAT'S THE HARM IN SEARCHING? COMING TO THE PLANET'S SUBBASEMENT, BUSH BASHING THIS 732 00:41:32,756 --> 00:41:36,000 GORGEOUS TERRAIN, THERE ARE WORSE WAYS AND PLACES TO SPEND YOUR DAYS. 733 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:37,862 GORGEOUS TERRAIN, THERE ARE WORSE WAYS AND PLACES TO SPEND YOUR DAYS.