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>>> ONE OF THE COSTLIEST
RANSOMWARE ATTACKS IN HISTORY
HAPPENED HERE IN LAS VEGAS.
ENGLISH SPEAKING HACKERS TEAMED

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>>> ONE OF THE COSTLIEST
RANSOMWARE ATTACKS IN HISTORY
HAPPENED HERE IN LAS VEGAS.
ENGLISH SPEAKING HACKERS TEAMED

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>>> ONE OF THE COSTLIEST
RANSOMWARE ATTACKS IN HISTORY
HAPPENED HERE IN LAS VEGAS.
ENGLISH SPEAKING HACKERS TEAMED

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UP WITH ELITE RUSSIAN HACKERS.
IT MAY BE JUST THE BEGINNING.
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED?
>> THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE

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UP WITH ELITE RUSSIAN HACKERS.
IT MAY BE JUST THE BEGINNING.
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED?
>> THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE

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INVOLVED AT THIS POINT.
>>> DID PEOPLE TRY TO KILL YOU?
>> YES.
>> AUTHOR SALMAN RUSHDIE HAS

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INVOLVED AT THIS POINT.
>>> DID PEOPLE TRY TO KILL YOU?
>> YES.
>> AUTHOR SALMAN RUSHDIE HAS

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INVOLVED AT THIS POINT.
>>> DID PEOPLE TRY TO KILL YOU?
>> YES.
>> AUTHOR SALMAN RUSHDIE HAS

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BEEN MARKED MOST OF HIS LIFE.
IN 2022, A KNIFE-WIELDING
ATTACKER ALMOST KILLED HIM.
THIS IS HIS FIRST TELEVISION

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BEEN MARKED MOST OF HIS LIFE.
IN 2022, A KNIFE-WIELDING
ATTACKER ALMOST KILLED HIM.
THIS IS HIS FIRST TELEVISION

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INTERVIEW.
>> ONE OF THE SURGEONS WHO SAVED
MY LIFE SAID TO ME, HE SAID,
FIRST YOU WERE REALLY UNLUCKY.

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INTERVIEW.
>> ONE OF THE SURGEONS WHO SAVED
MY LIFE SAID TO ME, HE SAID,
FIRST YOU WERE REALLY UNLUCKY.

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THEN YOU WERE REALLY LUCKY.
I SAID, WHAT'S THE LUCKY PART.
HE SAID, THE LUCKY PART IS THE
MAN WHO ATTACKED YOU HAD NO IDEA

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THEN YOU WERE REALLY LUCKY.
I SAID, WHAT'S THE LUCKY PART.
HE SAID, THE LUCKY PART IS THE
MAN WHO ATTACKED YOU HAD NO IDEA

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THEN YOU WERE REALLY LUCKY.
I SAID, WHAT'S THE LUCKY PART.
HE SAID, THE LUCKY PART IS THE
MAN WHO ATTACKED YOU HAD NO IDEA

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HOW TO KILL A MAN WITH A KNIFE.
>>> THIS IS A TASMANIAN TIGER,
OR WAS A TASMANIAN TIGER.
MOST SCIENTISTS BELIEVE THE APEX

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HOW TO KILL A MAN WITH A KNIFE.
>>> THIS IS A TASMANIAN TIGER,
OR WAS A TASMANIAN TIGER.
MOST SCIENTISTS BELIEVE THE APEX

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PREDATOR TO BE EXTINCT.
BUT LIKE BIG FOOT AND THE LOCH
NESS MONSTER, PLENTY OF PEOPLE
BELIEVE OTHERWISE, THAT THIS

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PREDATOR TO BE EXTINCT.
BUT LIKE BIG FOOT AND THE LOCH
NESS MONSTER, PLENTY OF PEOPLE
BELIEVE OTHERWISE, THAT THIS

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TIGER IS STILL ROAMING THIS
BEAUTIFUL ISLAND.
>> ALL OF A SUDDEN, HEARD
THIS --

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TIGER IS STILL ROAMING THIS
BEAUTIFUL ISLAND.
>> ALL OF A SUDDEN, HEARD
THIS --

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TIGER IS STILL ROAMING THIS
BEAUTIFUL ISLAND.
>> ALL OF A SUDDEN, HEARD
THIS --

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>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M ANDERSON COOPER.
>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.

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>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M CECILIA VEGA.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT

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>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M CECILIA VEGA.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT

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ON "60 MINUTES."
>>> IN THE PAST YEAR, HOSPITALS,
PHARMACIES, TECH COMPANIES, LAS
VEGAS' BIGGEST HOTELS AND

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ON "60 MINUTES."
>>> IN THE PAST YEAR, HOSPITALS,
PHARMACIES, TECH COMPANIES, LAS
VEGAS' BIGGEST HOTELS AND

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ON "60 MINUTES."
>>> IN THE PAST YEAR, HOSPITALS,
PHARMACIES, TECH COMPANIES, LAS
VEGAS' BIGGEST HOTELS AND

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ON "60 MINUTES."
>>> IN THE PAST YEAR, HOSPITALS,
PHARMACIES, TECH COMPANIES, LAS
VEGAS' BIGGEST HOTELS AND

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CASINOS, HAVE BEEN PARALYZED BY
RANSOMWARE ATTACKS, IN WHICH
HACKERS BREAK INTO A CORPORATE
NETWORK, ENCRYPT, OR LOCK UP

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CASINOS, HAVE BEEN PARALYZED BY
RANSOMWARE ATTACKS, IN WHICH
HACKERS BREAK INTO A CORPORATE
NETWORK, ENCRYPT, OR LOCK UP

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CASINOS, HAVE BEEN PARALYZED BY
RANSOMWARE ATTACKS, IN WHICH
HACKERS BREAK INTO A CORPORATE
NETWORK, ENCRYPT, OR LOCK UP

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CRITICAL FILES, AND HOLD THEM
HOSTAGE UNTIL A RANSOM IS PAID.
IT'S A CRIME THAT'S GROWING MORE
COSTLY AND DISRUPTIVE EVERY

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CRITICAL FILES, AND HOLD THEM
HOSTAGE UNTIL A RANSOM IS PAID.
IT'S A CRIME THAT'S GROWING MORE
COSTLY AND DISRUPTIVE EVERY

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YEAR.
NOW CYBER SECURITY RESEARCHERS
FEAR IT'S ABOUT TO GET WORSE
WITH THE EMERGENCE OF AN

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YEAR.
NOW CYBER SECURITY RESEARCHERS
FEAR IT'S ABOUT TO GET WORSE
WITH THE EMERGENCE OF AN

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AUDACIOUS GROUP OF YOUNG
CRIMINAL HACKERS FROM THE U.S.,
UK, AND CANADA, THE FBI CALLS,
SCATTERED SPIDER.

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AUDACIOUS GROUP OF YOUNG
CRIMINAL HACKERS FROM THE U.S.,
UK, AND CANADA, THE FBI CALLS,
SCATTERED SPIDER.

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MORE TROUBLING, THEY HAVE TEAMED
UP WITH RUSSIA'S MOST NOTORIOUS
RANSOMWARE GANG.
THIS PAST SEPTEMBER, ONE OF THE

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MORE TROUBLING, THEY HAVE TEAMED
UP WITH RUSSIA'S MOST NOTORIOUS
RANSOMWARE GANG.
THIS PAST SEPTEMBER, ONE OF THE

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MORE TROUBLING, THEY HAVE TEAMED
UP WITH RUSSIA'S MOST NOTORIOUS
RANSOMWARE GANG.
THIS PAST SEPTEMBER, ONE OF THE

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MORE TROUBLING, THEY HAVE TEAMED
UP WITH RUSSIA'S MOST NOTORIOUS
RANSOMWARE GANG.
THIS PAST SEPTEMBER, ONE OF THE

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MOST PERNICIOUS RANSOMWARE
ATTACKS IN HISTORY WAS UNLEASHED
ON MGM RESORTS, COSTING THE
HOTEL AND CASINO GIANT MORE THAN

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MOST PERNICIOUS RANSOMWARE
ATTACKS IN HISTORY WAS UNLEASHED
ON MGM RESORTS, COSTING THE
HOTEL AND CASINO GIANT MORE THAN

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$100 MILLION.
IT DISRUPTED OPERATIONS AT A
DOZEN OF THE MOST RENOWNED
GAMING PALACES ON THE LAS VEGAS

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$100 MILLION.
IT DISRUPTED OPERATIONS AT A
DOZEN OF THE MOST RENOWNED
GAMING PALACES ON THE LAS VEGAS

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$100 MILLION.
IT DISRUPTED OPERATIONS AT A
DOZEN OF THE MOST RENOWNED
GAMING PALACES ON THE LAS VEGAS

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STRIP, MGM GRAND, ARIA, MANDALAY
BAY, NEW YORK, THE BELLAGIO.
ANTHONY CURTIS IS A LAS VEGAS
FIXTURE.

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STRIP, MGM GRAND, ARIA, MANDALAY
BAY, NEW YORK, THE BELLAGIO.
ANTHONY CURTIS IS A LAS VEGAS
FIXTURE.

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HE'S SO GOOD AT COUNTING CARDS,
HE'S BEEN BANNED FROM CARD GAMES
HERE.
HE NOW PUBLISHING "THE LAS VEGAS

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HE'S SO GOOD AT COUNTING CARDS,
HE'S BEEN BANNED FROM CARD GAMES
HERE.
HE NOW PUBLISHING "THE LAS VEGAS

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HE'S SO GOOD AT COUNTING CARDS,
HE'S BEEN BANNED FROM CARD GAMES
HERE.
HE NOW PUBLISHING "THE LAS VEGAS

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ADVISER," A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER
ON ALL THINGS VEGAS.
>> INCREDIBLY, WHEN IT HAPPENED,
I WAS IN AN MGM PROPERTY.

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ADVISER," A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER
ON ALL THINGS VEGAS.
>> INCREDIBLY, WHEN IT HAPPENED,
I WAS IN AN MGM PROPERTY.

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AND IT HAPPENED WHILE WE WERE
HAVING DINNER.
THERE JUST BEGAN TO BE A
RUMBLING THAT SOMETHING WAS

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AND IT HAPPENED WHILE WE WERE
HAVING DINNER.
THERE JUST BEGAN TO BE A
RUMBLING THAT SOMETHING WAS

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GOING ON.
I COULD SEE THAT SLOT MACHINES
WERE SITTING DARK, PEOPLE WERE
SCRAMBLING AROUND.

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GOING ON.
I COULD SEE THAT SLOT MACHINES
WERE SITTING DARK, PEOPLE WERE
SCRAMBLING AROUND.

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THE SHUTDOWN WAS STARTING TO
TAKE EFFECT.
>> ACROSS THE VEGAS STRIP,
THOUSANDS OF SLOT MACHINES

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THE SHUTDOWN WAS STARTING TO
TAKE EFFECT.
>> ACROSS THE VEGAS STRIP,
THOUSANDS OF SLOT MACHINES

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SUDDENLY STOPPED PAYING OUT.
>> ALL OF A SUDDEN, PEOPLE ARE
GOING, HOW DO I GET MY MONEY?
WHAT'S WRONG?

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SUDDENLY STOPPED PAYING OUT.
>> ALL OF A SUDDEN, PEOPLE ARE
GOING, HOW DO I GET MY MONEY?
WHAT'S WRONG?

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PEOPLE WERE SITTING THERE
WAITING AND COULDN'T GET PAID.
>> WERE THEY ANGRY?
>> THEY WERE GETTING ANGRY,

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PEOPLE WERE SITTING THERE
WAITING AND COULDN'T GET PAID.
>> WERE THEY ANGRY?
>> THEY WERE GETTING ANGRY,

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YEAH.
AND THIS WAS JUST THE TIP OF THE
ICE BERGS.
>> PARKING GATES FROZE, DIGITAL

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YEAH.
AND THIS WAS JUST THE TIP OF THE
ICE BERGS.
>> PARKING GATES FROZE, DIGITAL

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DOOR KEYS WOULDN'T WORK.
AS COMPUTERS WENT DOWN,
RESERVATIONS LOCKED UP AND LINES
BACKED UP AT THE FRONT DESKS.

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DOOR KEYS WOULDN'T WORK.
AS COMPUTERS WENT DOWN,
RESERVATIONS LOCKED UP AND LINES
BACKED UP AT THE FRONT DESKS.

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>> ANYTHING THAT REQUIRED
TECHNOLOGY WAS NOT WORKING.
>> SOUNDS LIKE CHAOS.
>> NOBODY KNEW WHAT TO DO.

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>> ANYTHING THAT REQUIRED
TECHNOLOGY WAS NOT WORKING.
>> SOUNDS LIKE CHAOS.
>> NOBODY KNEW WHAT TO DO.

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INCLUDING EMPLOYEES.
THE EMPLOYEES JUST HAD TO, YOU
KNOW, BEG FORGIVENESS AND
PATIENCE.

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INCLUDING EMPLOYEES.
THE EMPLOYEES JUST HAD TO, YOU
KNOW, BEG FORGIVENESS AND
PATIENCE.

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>> LOOK, IT'S CORPORATE
TERRORISM AT ITS FINEST.
>> THE COMPANY DECLINED OUR
INTERVIEW REQUEST.

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>> LOOK, IT'S CORPORATE
TERRORISM AT ITS FINEST.
>> THE COMPANY DECLINED OUR
INTERVIEW REQUEST.

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BUT AT A CONFERENCE A MONTH
AFTER THE HACK, MGM'S CEO
ADMITTED THE DISRUPTIONS WERE
DEVASTATING.

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BUT AT A CONFERENCE A MONTH
AFTER THE HACK, MGM'S CEO
ADMITTED THE DISRUPTIONS WERE
DEVASTATING.

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BUT AT A CONFERENCE A MONTH
AFTER THE HACK, MGM'S CEO
ADMITTED THE DISRUPTIONS WERE
DEVASTATING.

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>> FOR THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE
DAYS, WITH 36,000 HOTEL ROOMS
AND REGIONAL PROPERTIES, WE WERE
COMPLETELY IN THE DARK.

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>> FOR THE NEXT FOUR OR FIVE
DAYS, WITH 36,000 HOTEL ROOMS
AND REGIONAL PROPERTIES, WE WERE
COMPLETELY IN THE DARK.

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>> THE HACKERS DEMANDED
$30 MILLION TO UNLOCK MGM'S
DATA.
THE COMPANY REFUSED, BUT THEY

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>> THE HACKERS DEMANDED
$30 MILLION TO UNLOCK MGM'S
DATA.
THE COMPANY REFUSED, BUT THEY

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STILL PAID A PRICE, $100 MILLION
IN LOST REVENUE AND MILLIONS
MORE TO REBUILD THEIR SERVERS.
>> SO, HOW DID THE INTRUDERS GET

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STILL PAID A PRICE, $100 MILLION
IN LOST REVENUE AND MILLIONS
MORE TO REBUILD THEIR SERVERS.
>> SO, HOW DID THE INTRUDERS GET

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STILL PAID A PRICE, $100 MILLION
IN LOST REVENUE AND MILLIONS
MORE TO REBUILD THEIR SERVERS.
>> SO, HOW DID THE INTRUDERS GET

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IN?
THROUGH A TECHNIQUE OF DECEPTION
AND MANIPULATION CALLED SOCIAL
ENGINEERING.

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IN?
THROUGH A TECHNIQUE OF DECEPTION
AND MANIPULATION CALLED SOCIAL
ENGINEERING.

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FIRST, HACKERS ZEROED IN ON AN
EMPLOYEE, GATHERING INFORMATION
FROM THE DARK WEB AND OPEN
SOURCES, LIKE LINKEDIN.

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FIRST, HACKERS ZEROED IN ON AN
EMPLOYEE, GATHERING INFORMATION
FROM THE DARK WEB AND OPEN
SOURCES, LIKE LINKEDIN.

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NEXT, A SMOOTH-TALKING HACKER
IMPERSONATING THE EMPLOYEE
CALLED THE MGM TECH HELP DESK
AND CONVINCED THEM TO RESET HIS

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NEXT, A SMOOTH-TALKING HACKER
IMPERSONATING THE EMPLOYEE
CALLED THE MGM TECH HELP DESK
AND CONVINCED THEM TO RESET HIS

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PASSWORD.
>> WITH THAT, THE HACKER WAS
INSIDE MGM'S COMPUTERS AND
UNLEASHED THE DESTRUCTIVE

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PASSWORD.
>> WITH THAT, THE HACKER WAS
INSIDE MGM'S COMPUTERS AND
UNLEASHED THE DESTRUCTIVE

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PASSWORD.
>> WITH THAT, THE HACKER WAS
INSIDE MGM'S COMPUTERS AND
UNLEASHED THE DESTRUCTIVE

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MALWARE.
ANTHONY CURTIS SAYS IT WAS THE
CYBER CRIMINAL'S VERSION OF AN
"OCEAN'S 11" HEIST.

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MALWARE.
ANTHONY CURTIS SAYS IT WAS THE
CYBER CRIMINAL'S VERSION OF AN
"OCEAN'S 11" HEIST.

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MALWARE.
ANTHONY CURTIS SAYS IT WAS THE
CYBER CRIMINAL'S VERSION OF AN
"OCEAN'S 11" HEIST.

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>> THEY WANT TO GET THE MONEY.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO
GLOATING LIKE I LIKE THESE GUYS

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>> THEY WANT TO GET THE MONEY.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT?
>> I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO
GLOATING LIKE I LIKE THESE GUYS

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BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST CROOKS,
RIGHT?
BUT THESE HACKERS WERE ABLE TO
TURN THE TABLES.

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THE CASINOS HAVE THEIR -- THEY
HAVE THEIR SYSTEMS.
THEY HAVE THEIR PROTECTIONS.
THEY HAVE THEIR EXPERTS.

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THE CASINOS HAVE THEIR -- THEY
HAVE THEIR SYSTEMS.
THEY HAVE THEIR PROTECTIONS.
THEY HAVE THEIR EXPERTS.

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THEY HAVE THEIR SECURITY.
THESE GUYS ARE BETTER.
>> LATER, MGM'S BIGGEST
COMPETITOR, CAESARS ADMITTED IT

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THEY HAVE THEIR SECURITY.
THESE GUYS ARE BETTER.
>> LATER, MGM'S BIGGEST
COMPETITOR, CAESARS ADMITTED IT

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THEY HAVE THEIR SECURITY.
THESE GUYS ARE BETTER.
>> LATER, MGM'S BIGGEST
COMPETITOR, CAESARS ADMITTED IT

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ALSO SUFFERED A SOCIAL
ENGINEERING ATTACK AROUND THE
SAME TIME, SUSPECTED BY THE SAME
GROUP.

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ALSO SUFFERED A SOCIAL
ENGINEERING ATTACK AROUND THE
SAME TIME, SUSPECTED BY THE SAME
GROUP.

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BUT CAESARS PAID A RANSOM,
REPORTEDLY $15 MILLION, AND
SUFFERED NO DISRUPTIONS.
>> FROM AN FBI PERSPECTIVE, OUR

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BUT CAESARS PAID A RANSOM,
REPORTEDLY $15 MILLION, AND
SUFFERED NO DISRUPTIONS.
>> FROM AN FBI PERSPECTIVE, OUR

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POSITION IS WE RECOMMEND A
RANSOM NOT BE PAID, BUT WE
UNDERSTAND IT'S A BUSINESS
DECISION DURING A TIME OF

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POSITION IS WE RECOMMEND A
RANSOM NOT BE PAID, BUT WE
UNDERSTAND IT'S A BUSINESS
DECISION DURING A TIME OF

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POSITION IS WE RECOMMEND A
RANSOM NOT BE PAID, BUT WE
UNDERSTAND IT'S A BUSINESS
DECISION DURING A TIME OF

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CRISIS.
>> BRYAN VORNDRAN IS HEAD OF THE
FBI'S CYBER DIVISION.
HE TOLD US FBI ATTACKS HAVE

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CRISIS.
>> BRYAN VORNDRAN IS HEAD OF THE
FBI'S CYBER DIVISION.
HE TOLD US FBI ATTACKS HAVE

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GROWN INCREASINGLY BRAZEN.
>> ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT THE
NUMBERS, IT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE
GLOBAL ECONOMY AND FOR THE U.S.

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GROWN INCREASINGLY BRAZEN.
>> ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT THE
NUMBERS, IT'S A PROBLEM FOR THE
GLOBAL ECONOMY AND FOR THE U.S.

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ECONOMY AND FOR THE SECURITY OF
THE UNITED STATES.
THERE'S ESTIMATES THAT GLOBAL
LOSSES EXCEED 1 BILLION U.S.

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ECONOMY AND FOR THE SECURITY OF
THE UNITED STATES.
THERE'S ESTIMATES THAT GLOBAL
LOSSES EXCEED 1 BILLION U.S.

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DOLLARS PER YEAR.
>> HAVE YOU MADE ANY ARRESTS IN
THE LAS VEGAS CASES?
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT

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DOLLARS PER YEAR.
>> HAVE YOU MADE ANY ARRESTS IN
THE LAS VEGAS CASES?
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT

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SPECIFIC CASES OR SPECIFIC
COMPANIES.
>> BUT HE DID POINT US TOWARD
THE PRIME SUSPECT.

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SPECIFIC CASES OR SPECIFIC
COMPANIES.
>> BUT HE DID POINT US TOWARD
THE PRIME SUSPECT.

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>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ACTORS
BEHIND SOME OF THE MORE RECENT
RANSOMWARE ATTACKS, THE NAME
THAT'S GENERALLY RAISED IS

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>> WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ACTORS
BEHIND SOME OF THE MORE RECENT
RANSOMWARE ATTACKS, THE NAME
THAT'S GENERALLY RAISED IS

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SCATTERED SPIDER.
THAT'S A CRIMINAL GROUP THAT WE
HAVE A LOT OF ATTENTION ON
BECAUSE OF THE HAVOC THEY'RE

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SCATTERED SPIDER.
THAT'S A CRIMINAL GROUP THAT WE
HAVE A LOT OF ATTENTION ON
BECAUSE OF THE HAVOC THEY'RE

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WREAKING ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES.
>> SCATTERED SPIDER IS WHAT THE
FBI CALLS A LOOSE KNIT WEB OF

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WREAKING ACROSS THE UNITED
STATES.
>> SCATTERED SPIDER IS WHAT THE
FBI CALLS A LOOSE KNIT WEB OF

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NATIVE SPEAKING HACKERS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CASINO HACKS
AND DOZEN MORE.
THEIR SPECIALTY IS SOCIAL

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NATIVE SPEAKING HACKERS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CASINO HACKS
AND DOZEN MORE.
THEIR SPECIALTY IS SOCIAL

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NATIVE SPEAKING HACKERS
RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CASINO HACKS
AND DOZEN MORE.
THEIR SPECIALTY IS SOCIAL

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ENGINEERING.
>> PART OF THEIR SUCCESS IS
BECAUSE THEY ARE FLUENT IN
WESTERN CULTURE, THEY KNOW HOW

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ENGINEERING.
>> PART OF THEIR SUCCESS IS
BECAUSE THEY ARE FLUENT IN
WESTERN CULTURE, THEY KNOW HOW

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OUR SOCIETY WORKS, THEY KNOW
WHAT TO SAY TO GET SOMEONE TO DO
SOMETHING.
>> ALLISON NIXON IS CHIEF

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OUR SOCIETY WORKS, THEY KNOW
WHAT TO SAY TO GET SOMEONE TO DO
SOMETHING.
>> ALLISON NIXON IS CHIEF

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RESEARCH OFFICER AT UNIT 221B, A
CYBER SECURITY FIRM THAT FOCUSES
ON ENGLISH-SPEAKING CYBER
CRIMINALS.

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RESEARCH OFFICER AT UNIT 221B, A
CYBER SECURITY FIRM THAT FOCUSES
ON ENGLISH-SPEAKING CYBER
CRIMINALS.

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SHE SAYS SCATTERED SPIDER IS
JUST ONE OF MANY ELICIT HACKING
GROUPS, ALL PART OF A SPRAWLING
COLLECTION OF ONLINE CRIMINALS

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SHE SAYS SCATTERED SPIDER IS
JUST ONE OF MANY ELICIT HACKING
GROUPS, ALL PART OF A SPRAWLING
COLLECTION OF ONLINE CRIMINALS

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SHE SAYS SCATTERED SPIDER IS
JUST ONE OF MANY ELICIT HACKING
GROUPS, ALL PART OF A SPRAWLING
COLLECTION OF ONLINE CRIMINALS

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CALLING THEMSELVES THE
COMMUNITY, OR THE COM.
>> THE COM IS A SUBCULTURE.
IT IS SPECIFICALLY AN ENGLISH

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CALLING THEMSELVES THE
COMMUNITY, OR THE COM.
>> THE COM IS A SUBCULTURE.
IT IS SPECIFICALLY AN ENGLISH

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SPEAKING YOUTH SUBCULTURE THAT
HAS ARISEN IN THE PAST FEW
YEARS.
IT'S VERY NEW, BUT IT'S

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SPEAKING YOUTH SUBCULTURE THAT
HAS ARISEN IN THE PAST FEW
YEARS.
IT'S VERY NEW, BUT IT'S

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SURPRISINGLY DISRUPTIVE.
>> MEMBERS OF THE COM HAVE
HACKED INTO COMPANIES LIKE
MICROSOFT, NVIDIA, AND

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SURPRISINGLY DISRUPTIVE.
>> MEMBERS OF THE COM HAVE
HACKED INTO COMPANIES LIKE
MICROSOFT, NVIDIA, AND

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ELECTRONIC ARTS.
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED?
>> YEARS AGO, IT WAS MAYBE A FEW
HUNDRED PEOPLE.

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ELECTRONIC ARTS.
>> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED?
>> YEARS AGO, IT WAS MAYBE A FEW
HUNDRED PEOPLE.

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BUT SINCE 2018, THE POPULATION
HAS EXPLODED BECAUSE OF THE
MONEY COMING IN TO THESE GROUPS.
AND THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE

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BUT SINCE 2018, THE POPULATION
HAS EXPLODED BECAUSE OF THE
MONEY COMING IN TO THESE GROUPS.
AND THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE

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BUT SINCE 2018, THE POPULATION
HAS EXPLODED BECAUSE OF THE
MONEY COMING IN TO THESE GROUPS.
AND THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE

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INVOLVED AT THIS POINT.
>> HOW ARE THEY CONNECTED?
>> THEY CONNECT OVER THE
INTERNET, SOCIAL SPACES WHERE

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INVOLVED AT THIS POINT.
>> HOW ARE THEY CONNECTED?
>> THEY CONNECT OVER THE
INTERNET, SOCIAL SPACES WHERE

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PEOPLE HANG OUT, GAMING SERVERS.
IT'S ALMOST ANALOGOUS TO, LIKE,
MAYBE THE BACK ALLEY WHERE THE
BAD KIDS HANG OUT, BUT ON THE

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PEOPLE HANG OUT, GAMING SERVERS.
IT'S ALMOST ANALOGOUS TO, LIKE,
MAYBE THE BACK ALLEY WHERE THE
BAD KIDS HANG OUT, BUT ON THE

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PEOPLE HANG OUT, GAMING SERVERS.
IT'S ALMOST ANALOGOUS TO, LIKE,
MAYBE THE BACK ALLEY WHERE THE
BAD KIDS HANG OUT, BUT ON THE

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INTERNET.
>> HOW OLD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
>> MALES UNDER THE AGE OF 25.
>> UNDER 25 DOWN TO -- HOW

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INTERNET.
>> HOW OLD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?
>> MALES UNDER THE AGE OF 25.
>> UNDER 25 DOWN TO -- HOW

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YOUNG?
>> LIKE, 13, 14.
>> INVOLVED THE IN PULLING OFF
MAJOR CRIMES?

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YOUNG?
>> LIKE, 13, 14.
>> INVOLVED THE IN PULLING OFF
MAJOR CRIMES?

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>> YEAH.
>> MEMBERS COMMUNICATE AND POST
PICTURES ON MESSAGING APPS LIKE
TELEGRAM.

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>> YEAH.
>> MEMBERS COMMUNICATE AND POST
PICTURES ON MESSAGING APPS LIKE
TELEGRAM.

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THEIR CHATTER, A TOXIC STEW OF
RACISM, SEXISM, BOASTING ABOUT
THE MONEY THEY'VE SCAMMED AND
HOW MENACING THEY ARE.

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THEIR CHATTER, A TOXIC STEW OF
RACISM, SEXISM, BOASTING ABOUT
THE MONEY THEY'VE SCAMMED AND
HOW MENACING THEY ARE.

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>> THERE ARE THESE TOXIC ONLINE
SPACES, WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN
SOCIALIZE AND MINGLE WITH
CRIMINALS AND GANG MEMBERS.

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>> THERE ARE THESE TOXIC ONLINE
SPACES, WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN
SOCIALIZE AND MINGLE WITH
CRIMINALS AND GANG MEMBERS.

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>> THERE ARE THESE TOXIC ONLINE
SPACES, WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN
SOCIALIZE AND MINGLE WITH
CRIMINALS AND GANG MEMBERS.

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AND THE END RESULT OF ALL OF
THIS IS THIS ONLINE SUBCULTURE
HAS FORMED THAT GLORIFIES CRIME,
THAT MEASURES ONE'S PERSONAL

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AND THE END RESULT OF ALL OF
THIS IS THIS ONLINE SUBCULTURE
HAS FORMED THAT GLORIFIES CRIME,
THAT MEASURES ONE'S PERSONAL

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WORTH BY HOW MUCH HARM THEY CAN
CAUSE THE WORLD.
>> SCATTERED SPIDER IS ONE OF
THE MOST SOPHISTICATED OFFSHOOTS

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WORTH BY HOW MUCH HARM THEY CAN
CAUSE THE WORLD.
>> SCATTERED SPIDER IS ONE OF
THE MOST SOPHISTICATED OFFSHOOTS

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OF THE COM.
THEIR CRIMINAL EXPLOITS CAUGHT
THE ATTENTION OF CYBER SECURITY
COMPANIES AND OTHER HACKERS,

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OF THE COM.
THEIR CRIMINAL EXPLOITS CAUGHT
THE ATTENTION OF CYBER SECURITY
COMPANIES AND OTHER HACKERS,

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INCLUDING THE MOST NOTORIOUS
RUSSIAN RANSOMWARE GANG,
BLACKCAT.
THEY SAW THE YOUNG NATIVE

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INCLUDING THE MOST NOTORIOUS
RUSSIAN RANSOMWARE GANG,
BLACKCAT.
THEY SAW THE YOUNG NATIVE

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INCLUDING THE MOST NOTORIOUS
RUSSIAN RANSOMWARE GANG,
BLACKCAT.
THEY SAW THE YOUNG NATIVE

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ENGLISH SPEAKING WESTERNERS AS A
FORCE MULTIPLIER.
BOTH CLAIMED CREDIT FOR THE MGM
ATTACK.

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ENGLISH SPEAKING WESTERNERS AS A
FORCE MULTIPLIER.
BOTH CLAIMED CREDIT FOR THE MGM
ATTACK.

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>> HISTORICALLY SPEAKING,
RUSSIAN CYBER CRIMINALS DO NOT
LIKE WORKING WITH WESTERN CYBER
CRIMINALS.

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>> HISTORICALLY SPEAKING,
RUSSIAN CYBER CRIMINALS DO NOT
LIKE WORKING WITH WESTERN CYBER
CRIMINALS.

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THERE WAS NOT ONLY A LANGUAGE
BARRIER, BUT ALSO THEY KIND OF
LOOKED DOWN ON THEM AND VIEWED
THEM AS UNPROFESSIONAL.

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THERE WAS NOT ONLY A LANGUAGE
BARRIER, BUT ALSO THEY KIND OF
LOOKED DOWN ON THEM AND VIEWED
THEM AS UNPROFESSIONAL.

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>> THE RUSSIAN AND WESTERN
HACKERS MET IN THE SHADOWY
CORNERS OF THE DARK WEB AND NOW
ARE POWERFUL PARTNERS IN CRIME.

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>> THE RUSSIAN AND WESTERN
HACKERS MET IN THE SHADOWY
CORNERS OF THE DARK WEB AND NOW
ARE POWERFUL PARTNERS IN CRIME.

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>> THE RUSSIAN AND WESTERN
HACKERS MET IN THE SHADOWY
CORNERS OF THE DARK WEB AND NOW
ARE POWERFUL PARTNERS IN CRIME.

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SCATTERED SPIDER USES ITS
ENGLISH AND SOCIAL ENGINEERING
SKILLS TO BREAK IN TO WESTERN
COMPANIES' NETWORKS.

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SCATTERED SPIDER USES ITS
ENGLISH AND SOCIAL ENGINEERING
SKILLS TO BREAK IN TO WESTERN
COMPANIES' NETWORKS.

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BLACKCAT PROVIDES ITS EXPERIENCE
AND ITS MALWARE, USED IN SOME OF
THE MOST SHOCKING RANSOMWARE
ATTACKS.

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BLACKCAT PROVIDES ITS EXPERIENCE
AND ITS MALWARE, USED IN SOME OF
THE MOST SHOCKING RANSOMWARE
ATTACKS.

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INCLUDING THE 2021 ATTACK ON
COLONIAL PIPELINE, WHICH CAUSED
GAS SHORTAGES UP AND DOWN THE
EAST COAST.

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INCLUDING THE 2021 ATTACK ON
COLONIAL PIPELINE, WHICH CAUSED
GAS SHORTAGES UP AND DOWN THE
EAST COAST.

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AND THIS YEAR'S ATTACK ON
UNITEDHEALTH GROUP, WHICH
DISRUPTED PHARMACIES NATIONWIDE.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS OFFERING

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AND THIS YEAR'S ATTACK ON
UNITEDHEALTH GROUP, WHICH
DISRUPTED PHARMACIES NATIONWIDE.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS OFFERING

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AND THIS YEAR'S ATTACK ON
UNITEDHEALTH GROUP, WHICH
DISRUPTED PHARMACIES NATIONWIDE.
THE STATE DEPARTMENT IS OFFERING

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A $15 MILLION REWARD FOR
INFORMATION ON RUSSIA'S
BLACKCAT.
>> THIS IS BLACKCAT'S DATA LEAK

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A $15 MILLION REWARD FOR
INFORMATION ON RUSSIA'S
BLACKCAT.
>> THIS IS BLACKCAT'S DATA LEAK

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SITE.
>> JON DiMAGGIO, A FORMER
ANALYST AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY
AGENCY NOW INVESTIGATES

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SITE.
>> JON DiMAGGIO, A FORMER
ANALYST AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY
AGENCY NOW INVESTIGATES

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SITE.
>> JON DiMAGGIO, A FORMER
ANALYST AT THE NATIONAL SECURITY
AGENCY NOW INVESTIGATES

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RANSOMWARE AS CHIEF SECURITY
STRATEGIST FOR THE CYBER
SECURITY COMPANY.
>> THERE'S A TERM CALLED

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RANSOMWARE AS CHIEF SECURITY
STRATEGIST FOR THE CYBER
SECURITY COMPANY.
>> THERE'S A TERM CALLED

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RANSOMWARE AS A SERVICE THAT'S
BEEN GIVEN TO THE STRUCTURE AND
FORMAT OF THESE GANGS.
>> DiMAGGIO SAYS RANSOMWARE AS A

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RANSOMWARE AS A SERVICE THAT'S
BEEN GIVEN TO THE STRUCTURE AND
FORMAT OF THESE GANGS.
>> DiMAGGIO SAYS RANSOMWARE AS A

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SERVICE HAS TAKEN THE CRIME TO A
NEW LEVEL.
THE LONG ESTABLISHED RUSSIAN
GANGS, LIKE BLACKCAT, OFFER

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SERVICE HAS TAKEN THE CRIME TO A
NEW LEVEL.
THE LONG ESTABLISHED RUSSIAN
GANGS, LIKE BLACKCAT, OFFER

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THEIR SERVICES, MALWARE,
EXPERIENCE NEGOTIATING RANSOMS
AND LAUNDERING MONEY, TO WHAT
THEY CALL AFFILIATES, LIKE

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THEIR SERVICES, MALWARE,
EXPERIENCE NEGOTIATING RANSOMS
AND LAUNDERING MONEY, TO WHAT
THEY CALL AFFILIATES, LIKE

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SCATTERED SPIDER.
>> IN RETURN, WHEN A VICTIM PAYS
AN EXTORTION, THE PROFIT THAT
COMES FROM IT IS NOW SHARED

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SCATTERED SPIDER.
>> IN RETURN, WHEN A VICTIM PAYS
AN EXTORTION, THE PROFIT THAT
COMES FROM IT IS NOW SHARED

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SCATTERED SPIDER.
>> IN RETURN, WHEN A VICTIM PAYS
AN EXTORTION, THE PROFIT THAT
COMES FROM IT IS NOW SHARED

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AMONGST THOSE CRIMINALS.
>> THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RUSSIAN
GANGS ARE RUN LIKE LEGITIMATE
COMPANIES, WITH EASY TO NAVIGATE

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AMONGST THOSE CRIMINALS.
>> THE MOST SUCCESSFUL RUSSIAN
GANGS ARE RUN LIKE LEGITIMATE
COMPANIES, WITH EASY TO NAVIGATE

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PLATFORMS, 24 HOUR SERVICE
DESKS, EVEN HUMAN RESOURCES TO
HIRE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS.
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT

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PLATFORMS, 24 HOUR SERVICE
DESKS, EVEN HUMAN RESOURCES TO
HIRE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS.
>> THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT

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SPECIALIZE IN DEVELOPING MALWARE
AND RANSOMWARE, AND THEY'RE IN
VERY HIGH DEMAND.
>> YOU SAID YOU'VE GOTTEN TO

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SPECIALIZE IN DEVELOPING MALWARE
AND RANSOMWARE, AND THEY'RE IN
VERY HIGH DEMAND.
>> YOU SAID YOU'VE GOTTEN TO

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KNOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.
>> YES.
>> ARE THEY MOSTLY YOUNG MEN?
>> THE LEADERSHIP ARE PEOPLE IN

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KNOW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.
>> YES.
>> ARE THEY MOSTLY YOUNG MEN?
>> THE LEADERSHIP ARE PEOPLE IN

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THEIR 40s, LATE 30s.
THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
EXPERIENCE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
A FINANCIAL BACKGROUND.

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THEIR 40s, LATE 30s.
THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
EXPERIENCE, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE
A FINANCIAL BACKGROUND.

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>> DiMAGGIO SAYS THE RUSSIAN
GOVERNMENT PROVIDES A SAFE HAVEN
FOR RANSOMWARE GANGS.
>> AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TARGET,

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>> DiMAGGIO SAYS THE RUSSIAN
GOVERNMENT PROVIDES A SAFE HAVEN
FOR RANSOMWARE GANGS.
>> AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TARGET,

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YOU KNOW, AN ORGANIZATION THAT
FALLS WITHIN RUSSIA OR THE
FORMER SOVIET STATE, THEY DON'T
GET PROSECUTED.

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YOU KNOW, AN ORGANIZATION THAT
FALLS WITHIN RUSSIA OR THE
FORMER SOVIET STATE, THEY DON'T
GET PROSECUTED.

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IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CRIME.
>> IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CRIME
TO ATTACK AMERICAN BUSINESSES?
>> IT'S CRAZY, RIGHT?

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IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CRIME.
>> IT'S NOT CONSIDERED A CRIME
TO ATTACK AMERICAN BUSINESSES?
>> IT'S CRAZY, RIGHT?

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THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, THOUGH.
>> SO, IT'S LIKE THEY OPERATE
WITH IMPUNITY.
>> 100%.

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THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, THOUGH.
>> SO, IT'S LIKE THEY OPERATE
WITH IMPUNITY.
>> 100%.

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THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY THIS
IS SUCH A POPULAR CRIME.
>> RUSSIAN RANSOMWARE HAS BECOME
SUCH A THREAT, THE ELITE CYBER

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THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY THIS
IS SUCH A POPULAR CRIME.
>> RUSSIAN RANSOMWARE HAS BECOME
SUCH A THREAT, THE ELITE CYBER

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THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WHY THIS
IS SUCH A POPULAR CRIME.
>> RUSSIAN RANSOMWARE HAS BECOME
SUCH A THREAT, THE ELITE CYBER

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WARRIORS AT THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY HAVE JOINED THE
FIGHT.
BEFORE RETIRING LAST MONTH, ROB

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WARRIORS AT THE NATIONAL
SECURITY AGENCY HAVE JOINED THE
FIGHT.
BEFORE RETIRING LAST MONTH, ROB

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JOYCE WAS NSA'S DIRECTOR OF
CYBER SECURITY.
HE TOLD US THE COLONIAL PIPELINE
ATTACK WAS A WAKEUP CALL.

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JOYCE WAS NSA'S DIRECTOR OF
CYBER SECURITY.
HE TOLD US THE COLONIAL PIPELINE
ATTACK WAS A WAKEUP CALL.

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>> IT CAUSED US TO STEP BACK AND
DECIDE THAT WE HAD TO PUT MORE
RESOURCES INTO THIS FOREIGN
THREAT.

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>> IT CAUSED US TO STEP BACK AND
DECIDE THAT WE HAD TO PUT MORE
RESOURCES INTO THIS FOREIGN
THREAT.

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SO, ONE OF THE THINGS NSA HAS,
WE HAVE HACKERS.
AND IT REALLY, AT TIMES, TAKES A
HACKER TO DEFEAT A HACKER.

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SO, ONE OF THE THINGS NSA HAS,
WE HAVE HACKERS.
AND IT REALLY, AT TIMES, TAKES A
HACKER TO DEFEAT A HACKER.

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THAT'S THE VALUE NSA CAN BRING
IS WE CAN IDENTIFY PEOPLE,
SPECIFIC PEOPLE, INVOLVED IN
SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES.

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THAT'S THE VALUE NSA CAN BRING
IS WE CAN IDENTIFY PEOPLE,
SPECIFIC PEOPLE, INVOLVED IN
SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES.

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THAT'S THE VALUE NSA CAN BRING
IS WE CAN IDENTIFY PEOPLE,
SPECIFIC PEOPLE, INVOLVED IN
SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES.

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>> THE NSA HELPED IDENTIFY THE
RUSSIAN HACKER RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE COLONIAL PIPELINE ATTACK.
AND IN JANUARY 2022, AFTER

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>> THE NSA HELPED IDENTIFY THE
RUSSIAN HACKER RESPONSIBLE FOR
THE COLONIAL PIPELINE ATTACK.
AND IN JANUARY 2022, AFTER

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MONTHS OF NEGOTIATIONS, RUSSIA
ARRESTED HIM AND OTHER
ACCOMPLICES.
BUT FIVE WEEKS LATER, IT ALL

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MONTHS OF NEGOTIATIONS, RUSSIA
ARRESTED HIM AND OTHER
ACCOMPLICES.
BUT FIVE WEEKS LATER, IT ALL

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MONTHS OF NEGOTIATIONS, RUSSIA
ARRESTED HIM AND OTHER
ACCOMPLICES.
BUT FIVE WEEKS LATER, IT ALL

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CAME UNDONE.
>> FOLLOWING THE UKRAINE
INVASION, THOSE PEOPLE WERE LET
OUT OF JAIL.

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CAME UNDONE.
>> FOLLOWING THE UKRAINE
INVASION, THOSE PEOPLE WERE LET
OUT OF JAIL.

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>> SO, THEY'RE BACK IN BUSINESS.
>> YES, SIR.
>> AND NOW THEY'VE TEAMED UP
WITH THE YOUNG NATIVE ENGLISH

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>> SO, THEY'RE BACK IN BUSINESS.
>> YES, SIR.
>> AND NOW THEY'VE TEAMED UP
WITH THE YOUNG NATIVE ENGLISH

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SPEAKERS OF SCATTERED SPIDER.
THE FBI'S BRYAN VORNDRAN CALLS
IT AN EVOLUTION OF CYBER CRIME.
>> SO, IN THE CASE OF SCATTERED

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SPEAKERS OF SCATTERED SPIDER.
THE FBI'S BRYAN VORNDRAN CALLS
IT AN EVOLUTION OF CYBER CRIME.
>> SO, IN THE CASE OF SCATTERED

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SPIDER, IS IT POWERFUL THAT THEY
ARE WITH BLACKCAT?
OF COURSE.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO

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SPIDER, IS IT POWERFUL THAT THEY
ARE WITH BLACKCAT?
OF COURSE.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO

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KNOW THAT WE ARE AGAINST THE
VERY CAPABLE SET OF ADVERSARIES.
THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT THEIR WORK.
WE'RE ALSO VERY GOOD AT OUR

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KNOW THAT WE ARE AGAINST THE
VERY CAPABLE SET OF ADVERSARIES.
THEY'RE VERY GOOD AT THEIR WORK.
WE'RE ALSO VERY GOOD AT OUR

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WORK.
>> IN JANUARY, THE BUREAU
ARRESTED A 19-YEAR-OLD FROM
FLORIDA, NOAH URBAN, CHARGED

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WORK.
>> IN JANUARY, THE BUREAU
ARRESTED A 19-YEAR-OLD FROM
FLORIDA, NOAH URBAN, CHARGED

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WITH STEALING CRYPTOCURRENCY.
HE'S PLEADED NOT GUILTY.
CYBER INVESTIGATORS HAVE TIED
HIM TO SCATTERED SPIDER, BUT SO

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WITH STEALING CRYPTOCURRENCY.
HE'S PLEADED NOT GUILTY.
CYBER INVESTIGATORS HAVE TIED
HIM TO SCATTERED SPIDER, BUT SO

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WITH STEALING CRYPTOCURRENCY.
HE'S PLEADED NOT GUILTY.
CYBER INVESTIGATORS HAVE TIED
HIM TO SCATTERED SPIDER, BUT SO

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FAR NOT TO THE CASINO HEISTS.
THE SCATTERED SPIDER HACKERS WHO
DID PULL OFF THE ATTACK ARE
STILL ONLINE, HIDING IN PLAIN

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FAR NOT TO THE CASINO HEISTS.
THE SCATTERED SPIDER HACKERS WHO
DID PULL OFF THE ATTACK ARE
STILL ONLINE, HIDING IN PLAIN

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FAR NOT TO THE CASINO HEISTS.
THE SCATTERED SPIDER HACKERS WHO
DID PULL OFF THE ATTACK ARE
STILL ONLINE, HIDING IN PLAIN

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SIGHT, IN UNHOLY ALLIANCE WITH
RUSSIANS.
ALLISON NIXON CALLS LAS VEGAS A
HARBINGER.

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SIGHT, IN UNHOLY ALLIANCE WITH
RUSSIANS.
ALLISON NIXON CALLS LAS VEGAS A
HARBINGER.

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>> THE LEVEL OF CYBER CRIME HAS
RISEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT
FEELS OVERWHELMING, AND EVERY
YEAR IT GETS WORSE.

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>> THE LEVEL OF CYBER CRIME HAS
RISEN TO THE POINT WHERE IT
FEELS OVERWHELMING, AND EVERY
YEAR IT GETS WORSE.

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AND IT FEELS LIKE, AS DEFENDERS,
WE'RE -- IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE
WINNING EVERY BATTLE AND LOSING
THE WAR.

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AND IT FEELS LIKE, AS DEFENDERS,
WE'RE -- IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE'RE
WINNING EVERY BATTLE AND LOSING
THE WAR.

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>>> SALMAN RUSHDIE HAS BEEN A
MARKED MAN FOR NEARLY HALF HIS
LIFE.
IN 1989, IRAN'S LEADER,

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>>> SALMAN RUSHDIE HAS BEEN A
MARKED MAN FOR NEARLY HALF HIS
LIFE.
IN 1989, IRAN'S LEADER,

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>>> SALMAN RUSHDIE HAS BEEN A
MARKED MAN FOR NEARLY HALF HIS
LIFE.
IN 1989, IRAN'S LEADER,

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AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI, DECLARED HIS
NOVELS AN INSULT TO ISLAM AND
CALLED FOR HIS ASSASSINATION.
RUSHDIE WENT INTO HIDING WITH

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AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI, DECLARED HIS
NOVELS AN INSULT TO ISLAM AND
CALLED FOR HIS ASSASSINATION.
RUSHDIE WENT INTO HIDING WITH

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AYATOLLAH KHOMEINI, DECLARED HIS
NOVELS AN INSULT TO ISLAM AND
CALLED FOR HIS ASSASSINATION.
RUSHDIE WENT INTO HIDING WITH

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AROUND THE CLOCK POLICE
PROTECTION FOR TEN YEARS.
HE EVENTUALLY MOVED TO THE U.S.
AND THOUGHT HE WAS SAFE.

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BUT IN AUG 2022, AS HE WAS ABOUT
TO SPEAK AT A LITERARY FESTIVAL
IN CHAUTAUQUA NEW YORK, RUSHDIE
WAS ATTACKED WITH A KNIFE.

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BUT IN AUG 2022, AS HE WAS ABOUT
TO SPEAK AT A LITERARY FESTIVAL
IN CHAUTAUQUA NEW YORK, RUSHDIE
WAS ATTACKED WITH A KNIFE.

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BUT IN AUG 2022, AS HE WAS ABOUT
TO SPEAK AT A LITERARY FESTIVAL
IN CHAUTAUQUA NEW YORK, RUSHDIE
WAS ATTACKED WITH A KNIFE.

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RUSHDIE LOST HIS RIGHT EYE AND
CAME CLOSE TO DYING.
HE'S COME TO TERMS WITH THE
ATTEMPT ON HIS LIFE BY WRITING A

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RUSHDIE LOST HIS RIGHT EYE AND
CAME CLOSE TO DYING.
HE'S COME TO TERMS WITH THE
ATTEMPT ON HIS LIFE BY WRITING A

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BOOK ABOUT IT CALLED SIMPLY,
"KNIFE," WHICH COMES OUT
TUESDAY.
THIS IS HIS FIRST TELEVISION

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BOOK ABOUT IT CALLED SIMPLY,
"KNIFE," WHICH COMES OUT
TUESDAY.
THIS IS HIS FIRST TELEVISION

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INTERVIEW SINCE THE ATTACK.
>> YOU HAD HAD A DREAM TWO DAYS
I THINK IT WAS BEFORE THE
ATTACK.

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INTERVIEW SINCE THE ATTACK.
>> YOU HAD HAD A DREAM TWO DAYS
I THINK IT WAS BEFORE THE
ATTACK.

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00:16:12,438 --> 00:16:18,000
WHAT WAS THE DREAM?
>> I KIND OF HAD A PREMONITION.
I HAD A DREAM OF BEING ATTACKED
IN A NAZI THEATER.

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00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,145
WHAT WAS THE DREAM?
>> I KIND OF HAD A PREMONITION.
I HAD A DREAM OF BEING ATTACKED
IN A NAZI THEATER.

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IT WAS A KIND OF ROMAN EMPIRE
DREAM.
IT'S AS IF I WAS IN THE
COLOSSEUM AND WAS JUST SOMEBODY

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IT WAS A KIND OF ROMAN EMPIRE
DREAM.
IT'S AS IF I WAS IN THE
COLOSSEUM AND WAS JUST SOMEBODY

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WITH A SPEAR STABBING DOWNWARDS
AND I WAS ROLLING AROUND ON THE
FLOOR TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM
HIM.

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WITH A SPEAR STABBING DOWNWARDS
AND I WAS ROLLING AROUND ON THE
FLOOR TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM
HIM.

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AND I WOKE UP AND WAS QUITE
SHAKEN BY IT.
AND I HAD TO GO TO CHAUTAUQUA.
I SAID TO MY WIFE, ELIZA, I

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00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:42,000
AND I WOKE UP AND WAS QUITE
SHAKEN BY IT.
AND I HAD TO GO TO CHAUTAUQUA.
I SAID TO MY WIFE, ELIZA, I

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00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,803
AND I WOKE UP AND WAS QUITE
SHAKEN BY IT.
AND I HAD TO GO TO CHAUTAUQUA.
I SAID TO MY WIFE, ELIZA, I

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DON'T WANT TO GO.
>> BECAUSE OF THE DREAM?
>> BECAUSE OF THE DREAM.
BUT I THOUGHT, THAT'S SILLY.

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DON'T WANT TO GO.
>> BECAUSE OF THE DREAM?
>> BECAUSE OF THE DREAM.
BUT I THOUGHT, THAT'S SILLY.

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>> SALMAN RUSHDIE HAD BEEN
INVITED TO THE TRANQUIL TOWN OF
CHAUTAUQUA TO SPEAK ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING WRITERS

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>> SALMAN RUSHDIE HAD BEEN
INVITED TO THE TRANQUIL TOWN OF
CHAUTAUQUA TO SPEAK ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING WRITERS

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00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,087
>> SALMAN RUSHDIE HAD BEEN
INVITED TO THE TRANQUIL TOWN OF
CHAUTAUQUA TO SPEAK ABOUT THE
IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING WRITERS

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WHOSE LIVES ARE UNDER THREAT.
>> DID YOU HAVE ANY ANXIETY
BEING IN SUCH A PUBLIC SPACE?
>> NOT REALLY.

302
00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,327
WHOSE LIVES ARE UNDER THREAT.
>> DID YOU HAVE ANY ANXIETY
BEING IN SUCH A PUBLIC SPACE?
>> NOT REALLY.

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00:17:08,394 --> 00:17:12,000
IN THE MORE THAN 20 YEARS THAT
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN AMERICA,
I'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
>> YOU HAVEN'T HAD SECURITY

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00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,501
IN THE MORE THAN 20 YEARS THAT
I'VE BEEN LIVING IN AMERICA,
I'VE DONE A LOT OF THESE THINGS.
>> YOU HAVEN'T HAD SECURITY

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00:17:15,567 --> 00:17:18,000
AROUND YOU, CLOSE PROTECTION
DETAIL.
>> LONG TIME, LONG TIME.
WHAT HAPPENS IN MANY PLACES THAT

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00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,006
AROUND YOU, CLOSE PROTECTION
DETAIL.
>> LONG TIME, LONG TIME.
WHAT HAPPENS IN MANY PLACES THAT

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00:17:21,073 --> 00:17:24,000
YOU GO AND LECTURE IS THAT
THEY'RE USED TO HAVING A CERTAIN
DEGREE OF SECURITY, VENUE
SECURITY.

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00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,211
YOU GO AND LECTURE IS THAT
THEY'RE USED TO HAVING A CERTAIN
DEGREE OF SECURITY, VENUE
SECURITY.

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00:17:26,278 --> 00:17:30,000
IN THIS CASE, THERE WASN'T ANY.
>> THE IRONY, OF COURSE, IS YOU
WERE THERE TO TALK ABOUT WRITERS
IN DANGER.

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00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,185
IN THIS CASE, THERE WASN'T ANY.
>> THE IRONY, OF COURSE, IS YOU
WERE THERE TO TALK ABOUT WRITERS
IN DANGER.

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00:17:33,252 --> 00:17:36,000
>> YEAH, EXACTLY, AND THE NEED
FOR WRITERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES
TO HAVE SAFE SPACES IN AMERICA,
AMONGST OTHER PLACES.

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00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,825
>> YEAH, EXACTLY, AND THE NEED
FOR WRITERS IN OTHER COUNTRIES
TO HAVE SAFE SPACES IN AMERICA,
AMONGST OTHER PLACES.

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AND IT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE A
SAFE SPACE FOR ME.
>> FOR YEARS, NO PLACE WAS SAFE
FOR SALMAN RUSHDIE, WHOSE

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00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:48,000
AND IT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE A
SAFE SPACE FOR ME.
>> FOR YEARS, NO PLACE WAS SAFE
FOR SALMAN RUSHDIE, WHOSE

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00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,034
AND IT TURNED OUT NOT TO BE A
SAFE SPACE FOR ME.
>> FOR YEARS, NO PLACE WAS SAFE
FOR SALMAN RUSHDIE, WHOSE

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"SATANIC VERSES" OFFENDED SOME
MUSS
MUSLIMS FOR ITS DEPICTION OF THE
PROPHET MUHAMMAD.

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00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:59,878
"SATANIC VERSES" OFFENDED SOME
MUSS
MUSLIMS FOR ITS DEPICTION OF THE
PROPHET MUHAMMAD.

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00:17:59,945 --> 00:18:00,000
FATWA, A DECREE CALLING FOR
RUSHDIE'S DEATH IN 1989.
THERE WERE WORLDWIDE PROTESTS
FROM LONDON TO -- THE BOOK'S

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00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:06,000
FATWA, A DECREE CALLING FOR
RUSHDIE'S DEATH IN 1989.
THERE WERE WORLDWIDE PROTESTS
FROM LONDON TO -- THE BOOK'S

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00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:12,000
FATWA, A DECREE CALLING FOR
RUSHDIE'S DEATH IN 1989.
THERE WERE WORLDWIDE PROTESTS
FROM LONDON TO -- THE BOOK'S

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00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:12,958
FATWA, A DECREE CALLING FOR
RUSHDIE'S DEATH IN 1989.
THERE WERE WORLDWIDE PROTESTS
FROM LONDON TO -- THE BOOK'S

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JAPANESE TRANSLATOR WAS
MURDERED, AND OTHERS ASSOCIATED
WITH IT WERE ATTACKED.
>> DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA THAT IT

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00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,164
JAPANESE TRANSLATOR WAS
MURDERED, AND OTHERS ASSOCIATED
WITH IT WERE ATTACKED.
>> DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA THAT IT

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00:18:19,231 --> 00:18:24,000
WOULD CAUSE VIOLENCE?
>> NO.
I HAD NO IDEA.
I THOUGHT PROBABLY SOME

325
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:24,503
WOULD CAUSE VIOLENCE?
>> NO.
I HAD NO IDEA.
I THOUGHT PROBABLY SOME

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00:18:24,570 --> 00:18:28,006
CONSERVATIVE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE
WOULDN'T LIKE IT.
BUT THEY DIDN'T LIKE ANYTHING I
WROTE ANYWAY.

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00:18:28,073 --> 00:18:30,000
SO, I THOUGHT, WELL, THEY DON'T
HAVE TO READ IT.
>> WERE YOU NAIVE?
>> PROBABLY.

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00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,111
SO, I THOUGHT, WELL, THEY DON'T
HAVE TO READ IT.
>> WERE YOU NAIVE?
>> PROBABLY.

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00:18:33,178 --> 00:18:36,000
IT'S EASY LOOKING BACK.
NOTHING LIKE THIS HAD EVER
HAPPENED TO ANYBODY.
AND OF COURSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE

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00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,284
IT'S EASY LOOKING BACK.
NOTHING LIKE THIS HAD EVER
HAPPENED TO ANYBODY.
AND OF COURSE ALL THOSE PEOPLE

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00:18:39,351 --> 00:18:42,000
WHO ATTACKED THE BOOK DID SO
WITHOUT READING IT.
I'M OFTEN TOLD THAT I'M INTENDED
TO INSULT, OFFEND PEOPLE.

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00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:48,000
WHO ATTACKED THE BOOK DID SO
WITHOUT READING IT.
I'M OFTEN TOLD THAT I'M INTENDED
TO INSULT, OFFEND PEOPLE.

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00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:48,327
WHO ATTACKED THE BOOK DID SO
WITHOUT READING IT.
I'M OFTEN TOLD THAT I'M INTENDED
TO INSULT, OFFEND PEOPLE.

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00:18:48,393 --> 00:18:54,000
MY VIEW IS, IF I NEED TO INSULT
YOU, I CAN DO IT REALLY QUICKLY.
I DON'T NEED TO SPEND FIVE YEARS
OF MY LIFE TRYING TO WRITE A

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00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,702
MY VIEW IS, IF I NEED TO INSULT
YOU, I CAN DO IT REALLY QUICKLY.
I DON'T NEED TO SPEND FIVE YEARS
OF MY LIFE TRYING TO WRITE A

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00:18:56,768 --> 00:19:00,000
600-PAGE BOOK TO INSULT YOU.
>> RUSHDIE WAS LIVING IN LONDON
WHEN HE WENT INTO HIDING.
AND FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE

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00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,475
600-PAGE BOOK TO INSULT YOU.
>> RUSHDIE WAS LIVING IN LONDON
WHEN HE WENT INTO HIDING.
AND FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS, THE

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00:19:03,542 --> 00:19:06,000
BRITISH GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HIM
24-HOUR POLICE PROTECTION.
>> DID PEOPLE TRY TO KILL YOU?
>> YES.

339
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,914
BRITISH GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HIM
24-HOUR POLICE PROTECTION.
>> DID PEOPLE TRY TO KILL YOU?
>> YES.

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00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:12,000
THERE WERE MAYBE AS MANY AS HALF
A DOZEN SERIOUS ASSASSINATION
ATEMPS, WHICH WERE NOT RANDOM
PEOPLE.

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THERE WERE MAYBE AS MANY AS HALF
A DOZEN SERIOUS ASSASSINATION
ATEMPS, WHICH WERE NOT RANDOM
PEOPLE.

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00:19:15,287 --> 00:19:18,000
THEY WERE STATE SPONSORED
PROFESSIONALS.
>> AFTER DIPLOMATIC
NEGOTIATIONS, THE IRANIAN STATE

343
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,626
THEY WERE STATE SPONSORED
PROFESSIONALS.
>> AFTER DIPLOMATIC
NEGOTIATIONS, THE IRANIAN STATE

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00:19:20,692 --> 00:19:24,000
CALLED OFF ITS ASSASSINS IN
1988.
RUSHDIE FINALLY CAME OUT OF THE
SHADOWS.

345
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,164
CALLED OFF ITS ASSASSINS IN
1988.
RUSHDIE FINALLY CAME OUT OF THE
SHADOWS.

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HE MOVED TO NEW YORK AND FOR THE
NEXT TWO DECADES LIVED OPENLY.
HE WAS A MAN ABOUT TOWN.
HE CONTINUED WRITING AND BECAME

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00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,505
HE MOVED TO NEW YORK AND FOR THE
NEXT TWO DECADES LIVED OPENLY.
HE WAS A MAN ABOUT TOWN.
HE CONTINUED WRITING AND BECAME

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00:19:33,572 --> 00:19:36,000
A CELEBRATED ADVOCATE FOR
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION.
SO, WHEN HE RECEIVED THE
INVITATION TO SPEAK AT

349
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,511
A CELEBRATED ADVOCATE FOR
FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION.
SO, WHEN HE RECEIVED THE
INVITATION TO SPEAK AT

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00:19:39,578 --> 00:19:42,000
CHAUTAUQUA IN AUGUST OF 2022, HE
GLADLY ACCEPTED.
>> IN HIS NEW BOOK, "KNIFE," HE
DESCRIBED WHAT HAPPENED NEXT.

351
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:48,000
CHAUTAUQUA IN AUGUST OF 2022, HE
GLADLY ACCEPTED.
>> IN HIS NEW BOOK, "KNIFE," HE
DESCRIBED WHAT HAPPENED NEXT.

352
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,388
CHAUTAUQUA IN AUGUST OF 2022, HE
GLADLY ACCEPTED.
>> IN HIS NEW BOOK, "KNIFE," HE
DESCRIBED WHAT HAPPENED NEXT.

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00:19:49,454 --> 00:19:54,000
>> THEN IN THE CORNER OF MY
RIGHT EYE, THE LAST THING MY
RIGHT EYE WOULD EVER SEE, I SAW
THE MAN IN BLACK RUNNING TOWARD

354
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,295
>> THEN IN THE CORNER OF MY
RIGHT EYE, THE LAST THING MY
RIGHT EYE WOULD EVER SEE, I SAW
THE MAN IN BLACK RUNNING TOWARD

355
00:19:56,361 --> 00:20:00,000
ME DOWN THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF
BLACK CLOTHES, BLACK FACE MASK.
HE WAS COMING IN HARD AND LOW, A
SQUAT MISSILE.

356
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,636
ME DOWN THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF
BLACK CLOTHES, BLACK FACE MASK.
HE WAS COMING IN HARD AND LOW, A
SQUAT MISSILE.

357
00:20:04,703 --> 00:20:06,000
I CONFESSED I HAD SOMETIMES
IMAGINED MY ASSASSIN RISING UP
IN SOME PUBLIC FORUM OR OTHER
AND COMING FOR ME IN JUST THIS

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00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:12,000
I CONFESSED I HAD SOMETIMES
IMAGINED MY ASSASSIN RISING UP
IN SOME PUBLIC FORUM OR OTHER
AND COMING FOR ME IN JUST THIS

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00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,146
I CONFESSED I HAD SOMETIMES
IMAGINED MY ASSASSIN RISING UP
IN SOME PUBLIC FORUM OR OTHER
AND COMING FOR ME IN JUST THIS

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00:20:14,212 --> 00:20:18,000
WAY.
SO, MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN I SAW
THIS MURDEROUS SHAPE RUSHING
TOWARDS ME WAS, SO IT'S YOU.

361
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,887
WAY.
SO, MY FIRST THOUGHT WHEN I SAW
THIS MURDEROUS SHAPE RUSHING
TOWARDS ME WAS, SO IT'S YOU.

362
00:20:21,954 --> 00:20:24,000
HERE YOU ARE.
>> SO, IT'S YOU.
HERE YOU ARE.
>> YEAH.

363
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:24,923
HERE YOU ARE.
>> SO, IT'S YOU.
HERE YOU ARE.
>> YEAH.

364
00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:28,694
>> IT'S LIKE YOU'D BEEN WAITING
FOR YOU.
>> YEAH.
THAT'S WHAT IT FELT LIKE.

365
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,000
IT FELT LIKE SOMETHING COMING
OUT OF THE DISTANT PAST AND
TRYING TO DRAG ME BACK IN TIME,
IF YOU LIKE, BACK INTO THAT

366
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:35,434
IT FELT LIKE SOMETHING COMING
OUT OF THE DISTANT PAST AND
TRYING TO DRAG ME BACK IN TIME,
IF YOU LIKE, BACK INTO THAT

367
00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:36,000
DISTANT PAST, IN ORDER TO KILL
ME.
AND WHEN HE GOT TO ME, HE
BASICALLY HIT ME VERY HARD HERE.

368
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:42,000
DISTANT PAST, IN ORDER TO KILL
ME.
AND WHEN HE GOT TO ME, HE
BASICALLY HIT ME VERY HARD HERE.

369
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,209
DISTANT PAST, IN ORDER TO KILL
ME.
AND WHEN HE GOT TO ME, HE
BASICALLY HIT ME VERY HARD HERE.

370
00:20:44,276 --> 00:20:48,000
AND INITIALLY I THOUGHT I'D BEEN
PUNCHED.
>> YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEE A
KNIFE.

371
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:48,080
AND INITIALLY I THOUGHT I'D BEEN
PUNCHED.
>> YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY SEE A
KNIFE.

372
00:20:48,146 --> 00:20:54,000
>> I DIDN'T SEE A KNIFE.
AND I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I SAW
BLOOD COMING OUT THAT THERE HAD
BEEN A KNIFE IN HIS FIST.

373
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,154
>> I DIDN'T SEE A KNIFE.
AND I DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL I SAW
BLOOD COMING OUT THAT THERE HAD
BEEN A KNIFE IN HIS FIST.

374
00:20:56,221 --> 00:21:00,000
>> WHERE WAS THAT STAB?
>> HERE.
>> IN YOUR NECK?
>> IN MY NECK.

375
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:00,359
>> WHERE WAS THAT STAB?
>> HERE.
>> IN YOUR NECK?
>> IN MY NECK.

376
00:21:00,425 --> 00:21:05,130
THEN THERE WERE MORE.
THE WORST WOUND -- THERE WAS A
BIG SLASH WOUND LIKE THIS ACROSS
MY NECK.

377
00:21:05,197 --> 00:21:06,000
AND THERE'S A PUNCTURE, STAB
WOUND HERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THE
ATTACK ON MY EYE.

378
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:12,000
AND THERE'S A PUNCTURE, STAB
WOUND HERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THE
ATTACK ON MY EYE.

379
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,170
AND THERE'S A PUNCTURE, STAB
WOUND HERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S THE
ATTACK ON MY EYE.

380
00:21:12,237 --> 00:21:17,476
>> DO YOU REMEMBER BEING STABBED
IN THE EYE?
>> NO.
I REMEMBER FALLING.

381
00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:18,000
THEN I REMEMBER NOT KNOWING WHAT
HAD HAPPENED TO MY EYE.
>> HE WAS ALSO STABBED IN HIS
HAND, CHEST, ABDOMEN, AND THIGH,

382
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:24,000
THEN I REMEMBER NOT KNOWING WHAT
HAD HAPPENED TO MY EYE.
>> HE WAS ALSO STABBED IN HIS
HAND, CHEST, ABDOMEN, AND THIGH,

383
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,884
THEN I REMEMBER NOT KNOWING WHAT
HAD HAPPENED TO MY EYE.
>> HE WAS ALSO STABBED IN HIS
HAND, CHEST, ABDOMEN, AND THIGH,

384
00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:30,000
15 WOUNDS IN ALL.
>> HE WAS, BOTH, STABBING AND
ALSO SLASHING.
>> I THINK HE WAS JUST WILDLY --

385
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,157
15 WOUNDS IN ALL.
>> HE WAS, BOTH, STABBING AND
ALSO SLASHING.
>> I THINK HE WAS JUST WILDLY --

386
00:21:32,224 --> 00:21:36,000
>> THE ATTACK LASTED 27 SECONDS.
TO FEEL JUST HOW LONG THAT IS --
>> THIS IS WHAT 27 SECONDS IS.

387
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:42,000
>> THE ATTACK LASTED 27 SECONDS.
TO FEEL JUST HOW LONG THAT IS --
>> THIS IS WHAT 27 SECONDS IS.

388
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,000
>> THE ATTACK LASTED 27 SECONDS.
TO FEEL JUST HOW LONG THAT IS --
>> THIS IS WHAT 27 SECONDS IS.

389
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,476
>> THE ATTACK LASTED 27 SECONDS.
TO FEEL JUST HOW LONG THAT IS --
>> THIS IS WHAT 27 SECONDS IS.

390
00:21:54,346 --> 00:22:00,000
[ SILENCE ]

391
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,656
[ SILENCE ]

392
00:22:07,793 --> 00:22:12,000
>> THAT'S QUITE A LONG TIME.
THAT'S THE EXTRAORDINARY
HALF-MINUTE OF INTIMACY IN WHICH
LIFE MEETS DEATH.

393
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,669
>> THAT'S QUITE A LONG TIME.
THAT'S THE EXTRAORDINARY
HALF-MINUTE OF INTIMACY IN WHICH
LIFE MEETS DEATH.

394
00:22:17,736 --> 00:22:18,000
>> WHAT STOPPED IT FROM BEING
LONGER?
>> THE AUDIENCE PULLING HIM OFF
ME.

395
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,707
>> WHAT STOPPED IT FROM BEING
LONGER?
>> THE AUDIENCE PULLING HIM OFF
ME.

396
00:22:21,773 --> 00:22:24,000
>> STRANGERS TO YOU.
>> TOTAL -- TO THIS DAY I DON'T
KNOW THEIR NAMES.
>> SOME OF THE STRANGERS

397
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:29,247
>> STRANGERS TO YOU.
>> TOTAL -- TO THIS DAY I DON'T
KNOW THEIR NAMES.
>> SOME OF THE STRANGERS

398
00:22:29,314 --> 00:22:30,000
RESTRAINED THE ATTACKERS, WHILE
OTHERS TRIED TO STEM THE FLOW OF
RUSHDIE'S BLOOD.
>> THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF

399
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,854
RESTRAINED THE ATTACKERS, WHILE
OTHERS TRIED TO STEM THE FLOW OF
RUSHDIE'S BLOOD.
>> THERE'S REALLY A LOT OF

400
00:22:35,921 --> 00:22:36,000
BLOOD.
>> I WAS WATCHING IT SPREAD.
AND THEN I REMEMBER THINKING
THAT I WAS PROBABLY DYING.

401
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,425
BLOOD.
>> I WAS WATCHING IT SPREAD.
AND THEN I REMEMBER THINKING
THAT I WAS PROBABLY DYING.

402
00:22:40,492 --> 00:22:42,000
AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE
IT WAS QUITE MATTER OF FACT.
IT WASN'T LIKE I WAS TERRIFIED
OF IT OR WHATEVER.

403
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,598
AND IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE
IT WAS QUITE MATTER OF FACT.
IT WASN'T LIKE I WAS TERRIFIED
OF IT OR WHATEVER.

404
00:22:46,665 --> 00:22:48,000
AND YEAH, THERE WAS NOTHING.
NO HEAVENLY CHOIRS.
NO PEARLY GATES.
I MEAN, I'M NOT A SUPERNATURAL

405
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,000
AND YEAH, THERE WAS NOTHING.
NO HEAVENLY CHOIRS.
NO PEARLY GATES.
I MEAN, I'M NOT A SUPERNATURAL

406
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:54,372
AND YEAH, THERE WAS NOTHING.
NO HEAVENLY CHOIRS.
NO PEARLY GATES.
I MEAN, I'M NOT A SUPERNATURAL

407
00:22:54,439 --> 00:22:58,710
PERSON, YOU KNOW.
I BELIEVE THAT DEATH COMES AS
THE END.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT HAPPENED

408
00:22:58,777 --> 00:23:00,000
THAT MADE ME CHANGE MY MIND
ABOUT THAT.
>> YOU HAVE NOT HAD A
REVELATION.

409
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,414
THAT MADE ME CHANGE MY MIND
ABOUT THAT.
>> YOU HAVE NOT HAD A
REVELATION.

410
00:23:02,481 --> 00:23:06,000
>> I HAVE NOT HAD ANY REVELATION
EXCEPT THAT THERE'S NO
REVELATION TO BE HAD.
>> HIS ATTACKER, THE MAN IN

411
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,722
>> I HAVE NOT HAD ANY REVELATION
EXCEPT THAT THERE'S NO
REVELATION TO BE HAD.
>> HIS ATTACKER, THE MAN IN

412
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:12,000
BLACK, WAS HUSTLED OFF THE
STAGE.
>> IN THE BOOK, YOU DO NOT USE
THE ATTACKER'S NAME.

413
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,393
BLACK, WAS HUSTLED OFF THE
STAGE.
>> IN THE BOOK, YOU DO NOT USE
THE ATTACKER'S NAME.

414
00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:18,000
>> I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
WANT HIS NAME IN MY BOOK.
AND I DON'T USE IT IN
CONVERSATION EITHER.

415
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,299
>> I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T
WANT HIS NAME IN MY BOOK.
AND I DON'T USE IT IN
CONVERSATION EITHER.

416
00:23:21,366 --> 00:23:24,000
>> THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU TO
NOT GIVE HIM SPACE IN YOUR
BRAIN.
>> YEAH.

417
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,237
>> THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU TO
NOT GIVE HIM SPACE IN YOUR
BRAIN.
>> YEAH.

418
00:23:25,303 --> 00:23:28,807
HE AND I HAD 27 SECONDS
TOGETHER.
THAT'S IT.
I DON'T NEED TO GIVE HIM ANY

419
00:23:28,874 --> 00:23:30,000
<u>ORE OF MY TIME.</u>
>> PARAMEDICS FLEW RUSHDIE TO A
HOSPITAL IN ERIE, PENNSYLVANIA,
40 MILES AWAY, WHERE A TEAM OF

420
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:36,000
<u>ORE OF MY TIME.</u>
>> PARAMEDICS FLEW RUSHDIE TO A
HOSPITAL IN ERIE, PENNSYLVANIA,
40 MILES AWAY, WHERE A TEAM OF

421
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,382
<u>ORE OF MY TIME.</u>
>> PARAMEDICS FLEW RUSHDIE TO A
HOSPITAL IN ERIE, PENNSYLVANIA,
40 MILES AWAY, WHERE A TEAM OF

422
00:23:37,449 --> 00:23:42,000
DOCTORS BATTLED FOR EIGHT HOURS
TO SAVE HIS LIFE.
WHEN HE FINALLY CAME OUT OF
SURGERY, HIS WIFE, ELIZA, A POET

423
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,022
DOCTORS BATTLED FOR EIGHT HOURS
TO SAVE HIS LIFE.
WHEN HE FINALLY CAME OUT OF
SURGERY, HIS WIFE, ELIZA, A POET

424
00:23:44,089 --> 00:23:48,000
AND NOVELIST, WAS WAITING.
>> I MEAN, HE WASN'T MOVING AND
HE WAS JUST LAID OUT.
>> HE LOOKED HALF DEAD TO YOU.

425
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,996
AND NOVELIST, WAS WAITING.
>> I MEAN, HE WASN'T MOVING AND
HE WAS JUST LAID OUT.
>> HE LOOKED HALF DEAD TO YOU.

426
00:23:51,062 --> 00:23:54,000
>> YES, HE DID.
HE WAS A DIFFERENT COLOR.
HE WAS COLD.
I MEAN, HIS FACE WAS STAPLED --

427
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,871
>> YES, HE DID.
HE WAS A DIFFERENT COLOR.
HE WAS COLD.
I MEAN, HIS FACE WAS STAPLED --

428
00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:00,000
JUST STAPLES HOLDING HIS FACE
TOGETHER.
>> RUSHDIE WAS ON A VENTILATOR,
UNABLE TO SPEAK.

429
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,877
JUST STAPLES HOLDING HIS FACE
TOGETHER.
>> RUSHDIE WAS ON A VENTILATOR,
UNABLE TO SPEAK.

430
00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:06,000
ELIZA AND THE DOCTORS HAD NO
IDEA WHETHER THE KNIFE THAT HAD
PENETRATED HIS EYE HAD DAMAGED
HIS BRAIN.

431
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:12,000
ELIZA AND THE DOCTORS HAD NO
IDEA WHETHER THE KNIFE THAT HAD
PENETRATED HIS EYE HAD DAMAGED
HIS BRAIN.

432
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,852
ELIZA AND THE DOCTORS HAD NO
IDEA WHETHER THE KNIFE THAT HAD
PENETRATED HIS EYE HAD DAMAGED
HIS BRAIN.

433
00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:18,000
>> SOMEONE FROM THE STAFF SAID
THAT WE WOULD USE THE SYSTEM OF
WIGGLING THE TOES.
>> TO COMMUNICATE.

434
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,124
>> SOMEONE FROM THE STAFF SAID
THAT WE WOULD USE THE SYSTEM OF
WIGGLING THE TOES.
>> TO COMMUNICATE.

435
00:24:19,191 --> 00:24:24,000
>> TO COMMUNICATE.
>> DO YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST
QUESTION YOU ASKED?
>> I THINK I SAID, SALMAN, IT'S

436
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,931
>> TO COMMUNICATE.
>> DO YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST
QUESTION YOU ASKED?
>> I THINK I SAID, SALMAN, IT'S

437
00:24:25,997 --> 00:24:30,000
ELIZA, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
AND THERE WAS -- THERE WAS A
WIGGLE.
AND ASKED HIM, I THINK, CAN

438
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,504
ELIZA, CAN YOU HEAR ME.
AND THERE WAS -- THERE WAS A
WIGGLE.
AND ASKED HIM, I THINK, CAN

439
00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:36,000
YOU -- DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU
ARE?
WIGGLED.
AND IT WAS -- IT WAS A VERY

440
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,543
YOU -- DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU
ARE?
WIGGLED.
AND IT WAS -- IT WAS A VERY

441
00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:42,000
BASIC, SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
>> YOU CAN'T EXPRESS YOURSELF
WITH ANY SUBTLETY WITH YOUR
TOES.

442
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,483
BASIC, SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
>> YOU CAN'T EXPRESS YOURSELF
WITH ANY SUBTLETY WITH YOUR
TOES.

443
00:24:45,550 --> 00:24:48,000
>> WHICH IS YOUR FAVORITE THING.
>> AFTER 18 DAYS IN THE HOSPITAL
AND THREE WEEKS IN REHAB,
RUSHDIE WAS DISCHARGED.

444
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:54,000
>> WHICH IS YOUR FAVORITE THING.
>> AFTER 18 DAYS IN THE HOSPITAL
AND THREE WEEKS IN REHAB,
RUSHDIE WAS DISCHARGED.

445
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,528
>> WHICH IS YOUR FAVORITE THING.
>> AFTER 18 DAYS IN THE HOSPITAL
AND THREE WEEKS IN REHAB,
RUSHDIE WAS DISCHARGED.

446
00:24:56,595 --> 00:25:00,000
>> ONE OF THE SURGEONS WHO SAVED
MY LIFE SAID TO ME, FIRST YOU
WERE REALLY UNLUCKY.
THEN YOU WERE REALLY LUCKY.

447
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,000
>> ONE OF THE SURGEONS WHO SAVED
MY LIFE SAID TO ME, FIRST YOU
WERE REALLY UNLUCKY.
THEN YOU WERE REALLY LUCKY.

448
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:06,571
>> ONE OF THE SURGEONS WHO SAVED
MY LIFE SAID TO ME, FIRST YOU
WERE REALLY UNLUCKY.
THEN YOU WERE REALLY LUCKY.

449
00:25:06,638 --> 00:25:12,000
I SAID, WHAT'S THE LUCKY PART?
HE SAID, THE LUCKY PART IS THAT
THE MAN WHO KILLED YOU HAD NO
IDEA HOW TO KILL A MAN.

450
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,678
I SAID, WHAT'S THE LUCKY PART?
HE SAID, THE LUCKY PART IS THAT
THE MAN WHO KILLED YOU HAD NO
IDEA HOW TO KILL A MAN.

451
00:25:13,745 --> 00:25:18,000
>> YOU'RE NOT A BELIEVER IN
MIRACLES, BUT YOU WRITE IN THE
BOOK BELIEVE THIS IS A MIRACLE.
>> THIS IS A CONTRADICTION.

452
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,487
>> YOU'RE NOT A BELIEVER IN
MIRACLES, BUT YOU WRITE IN THE
BOOK BELIEVE THIS IS A MIRACLE.
>> THIS IS A CONTRADICTION.

453
00:25:22,554 --> 00:25:24,000
I CERTAINLY DON'T FEEL THAT SOME
HAND REACHED DOWN FROM THE SKIES
AND GUIDED ME, BUT I DO THINK
SOMETHING HAPPENED WHICH WASN'T

454
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:30,000
I CERTAINLY DON'T FEEL THAT SOME
HAND REACHED DOWN FROM THE SKIES
AND GUIDED ME, BUT I DO THINK
SOMETHING HAPPENED WHICH WASN'T

455
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,562
I CERTAINLY DON'T FEEL THAT SOME
HAND REACHED DOWN FROM THE SKIES
AND GUIDED ME, BUT I DO THINK
SOMETHING HAPPENED WHICH WASN'T

456
00:25:30,629 --> 00:25:36,000
SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN.
AND I HAVE NO EXPLANATION FOR
IT.
>> HIS ATTACKER WAS A

457
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:36,001
SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN.
AND I HAVE NO EXPLANATION FOR
IT.
>> HIS ATTACKER WAS A

458
00:25:36,067 --> 00:25:42,000
24-YEAR-OLD FROM NEW JERSEY, WHO
LIVED IN HIS MOTHER'S BASEMENT.
HE'S BELIEVED TO BE A LONE WOLF.
HE'S PLEADED NOT GUILTY TO

459
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,042
24-YEAR-OLD FROM NEW JERSEY, WHO
LIVED IN HIS MOTHER'S BASEMENT.
HE'S BELIEVED TO BE A LONE WOLF.
HE'S PLEADED NOT GUILTY TO

460
00:25:44,109 --> 00:25:48,000
ATTEMPTED MURDER AND IS AWAITING
TRIAL.
IN AN INTERVIEW, HE TOLD "THE
NEW YORK POST," HE'D ONLY READ A

461
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,583
ATTEMPTED MURDER AND IS AWAITING
TRIAL.
IN AN INTERVIEW, HE TOLD "THE
NEW YORK POST," HE'D ONLY READ A

462
00:25:51,650 --> 00:25:54,000
COUPLE OF PAGES OF "THE SATANIC
VERSES."
HE SAID HE DIDN'T LIKE HIM VERY
MUCH BECAUSE RUSHDIE HAD,

463
00:25:54,000 --> 00:26:00,000
COUPLE OF PAGES OF "THE SATANIC
VERSES."
HE SAID HE DIDN'T LIKE HIM VERY
MUCH BECAUSE RUSHDIE HAD,

464
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,458
COUPLE OF PAGES OF "THE SATANIC
VERSES."
HE SAID HE DIDN'T LIKE HIM VERY
MUCH BECAUSE RUSHDIE HAD,

465
00:26:00,525 --> 00:26:04,663
ATTACKS ISLAM.
>> DOES IT MATTER TO YOU WHAT
HIS MOTIVE WAS?
>> I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING TO

466
00:26:04,729 --> 00:26:06,000
ME BECAUSE IT'S A MYSTERY.
IF I HAD WRITTEN A CHARACTER WHO
KNEW SO LITTLE ABOUT HIS
PROPOSED VICTIM AND YET WAS

467
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,503
ME BECAUSE IT'S A MYSTERY.
IF I HAD WRITTEN A CHARACTER WHO
KNEW SO LITTLE ABOUT HIS
PROPOSED VICTIM AND YET WAS

468
00:26:11,569 --> 00:26:12,000
WILLING TO COMMIT THE CRIME OF
MURDER, MY PUBLISHERS MIGHT WELL
SAY TO ME THAT THAT'S
UNDERMOTIVATED.

469
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,000
WILLING TO COMMIT THE CRIME OF
MURDER, MY PUBLISHERS MIGHT WELL
SAY TO ME THAT THAT'S
UNDERMOTIVATED.

470
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:18,576
WILLING TO COMMIT THE CRIME OF
MURDER, MY PUBLISHERS MIGHT WELL
SAY TO ME THAT THAT'S
UNDERMOTIVATED.

471
00:26:18,643 --> 00:26:23,515
>> YOU NEED TO DEVELOP THAT
CHARACTER?
>> NOT ENOUGH OF A REASON, NOT
CONVINCING.

472
00:26:23,581 --> 00:26:24,000
BUT YET THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
>> RUSHDIE'S "KNIFE," HIS 22nd
BOOK, IS ONE HE INITIALLY DID
NOT WANT TO WRITE.

473
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:30,000
BUT YET THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
>> RUSHDIE'S "KNIFE," HIS 22nd
BOOK, IS ONE HE INITIALLY DID
NOT WANT TO WRITE.

474
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:30,221
BUT YET THAT'S WHAT HE DID.
>> RUSHDIE'S "KNIFE," HIS 22nd
BOOK, IS ONE HE INITIALLY DID
NOT WANT TO WRITE.

475
00:26:30,288 --> 00:26:35,427
>> IT WAS THE LAST THING I
WANTED TO DO.
>> BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T WANT THIS
TO, YET AGAIN, DEFINE YOU.

476
00:26:35,493 --> 00:26:36,000
>> YEAH.
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME
AFTER "THE SATANIC VERSES" WAS
PUBLISHED THAT THE ONLY THING

477
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,466
>> YEAH.
IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME
AFTER "THE SATANIC VERSES" WAS
PUBLISHED THAT THE ONLY THING

478
00:26:41,533 --> 00:26:42,000
PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT ME WAS THIS
DEATH THREAT.
IT BECAME CLEAR TO ME THAT I
COULDN'T WRITE ANYTHING ELSE.

479
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,672
PEOPLE KNEW ABOUT ME WAS THIS
DEATH THREAT.
IT BECAME CLEAR TO ME THAT I
COULDN'T WRITE ANYTHING ELSE.

480
00:26:47,739 --> 00:26:48,000
>> YOU HAD TO WRITE THIS FIRST.
>> I HAD TO WRITE THIS FIRST.
I HAD TO FOCUS ON -- TO USE THE
CLICHÉ -- THE ELEPHANT IN THE

481
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:54,000
>> YOU HAD TO WRITE THIS FIRST.
>> I HAD TO WRITE THIS FIRST.
I HAD TO FOCUS ON -- TO USE THE
CLICHÉ -- THE ELEPHANT IN THE

482
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,147
>> YOU HAD TO WRITE THIS FIRST.
>> I HAD TO WRITE THIS FIRST.
I HAD TO FOCUS ON -- TO USE THE
CLICHÉ -- THE ELEPHANT IN THE

483
00:26:56,214 --> 00:27:00,000
ROOM.
THE MOMENT I THOUGHT THAT, KIND
OF SOMETHING CHANGED IN MY HEAD
AND IT BECAME A BOOK I REALLY

484
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,153
ROOM.
THE MOMENT I THOUGHT THAT, KIND
OF SOMETHING CHANGED IN MY HEAD
AND IT BECAME A BOOK I REALLY

485
00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:06,000
WANTED TO WRITE.
>> YOU SAID, THE LANGUAGE WAS MY
KNIFE.
MAYBE THIS WAS THE KNIFE I COULD

486
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,325
WANTED TO WRITE.
>> YOU SAID, THE LANGUAGE WAS MY
KNIFE.
MAYBE THIS WAS THE KNIFE I COULD

487
00:27:07,392 --> 00:27:11,830
USE TO FIGHT BACK TO TAKE CHARGE
OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME, TO OWN
IT, MAKE IT MINE.
>> YEAH.

488
00:27:11,896 --> 00:27:12,000
I MEAN, LANGUAGE IS A WAY OF
BREAKING OPEN THE WORLD.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WEAPONS,
BUT I'D BEEN USING THIS

489
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,000
I MEAN, LANGUAGE IS A WAY OF
BREAKING OPEN THE WORLD.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WEAPONS,
BUT I'D BEEN USING THIS

490
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,272
I MEAN, LANGUAGE IS A WAY OF
BREAKING OPEN THE WORLD.
I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER WEAPONS,
BUT I'D BEEN USING THIS

491
00:27:21,339 --> 00:27:24,000
PARTICULAR TOOL FOR QUITE A LONG
TIME.
SO, I FELT THIS WAS MY WAY OF
DEALING WITH IT.

492
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,677
PARTICULAR TOOL FOR QUITE A LONG
TIME.
SO, I FELT THIS WAS MY WAY OF
DEALING WITH IT.

493
00:27:25,744 --> 00:27:30,000
>> IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS
SINCE THE ATTACK, AND RUSHDIE IS
BACK HOME NOW IN NEW YORK,
SLOWLY GETTING USED TO

494
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,418
>> IT'S BEEN ALMOST TWO YEARS
SINCE THE ATTACK, AND RUSHDIE IS
BACK HOME NOW IN NEW YORK,
SLOWLY GETTING USED TO

495
00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:36,000
NAVIGATING THE WORLD WITH ONE
EYE.
>> HOW MUCH TIME DID IT TAKE TO,
KIND OF, READJUST?

496
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,822
NAVIGATING THE WORLD WITH ONE
EYE.
>> HOW MUCH TIME DID IT TAKE TO,
KIND OF, READJUST?

497
00:27:37,889 --> 00:27:42,000
>> I'M STILL DOING IT.
>> YOU STILL ARE?
>> YEAH.
>> DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE A

498
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,462
>> I'M STILL DOING IT.
>> YOU STILL ARE?
>> YEAH.
>> DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU ARE A

499
00:27:44,529 --> 00:27:46,898
DIFFERENT PERSON AFTER THE
ATTACK?
>> I DON'T FEEL I'M VERY
DIFFERENT.

500
00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:48,000
BUT I THINK IT HAS CAST A
SHADOW.
I THINK THAT SHADOW IS JUST
THERE.

501
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,301
BUT I THINK IT HAS CAST A
SHADOW.
I THINK THAT SHADOW IS JUST
THERE.

502
00:27:50,368 --> 00:27:54,000
SOME DAYS IT'S DARK, AND SOME
DAYS IT'S NOT.
>> YOU FEEL LESS THAN YOU WERE
BEFORE?

503
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:54,439
SOME DAYS IT'S DARK, AND SOME
DAYS IT'S NOT.
>> YOU FEEL LESS THAN YOU WERE
BEFORE?

504
00:27:54,506 --> 00:27:59,644
>> NO.
I JUST FEEL MORE THE PRESENCE OF
DEATH.
>> IN AN INTERVIEW ALMOST 25

505
00:27:59,711 --> 00:28:00,000
YEARS AGO, YOU SAID OF THE
FATWA, I WANT TO FIND AN END TO
THIS STORY.
IT IS THE ONE STORY I MUST FIND

506
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,583
YEARS AGO, YOU SAID OF THE
FATWA, I WANT TO FIND AN END TO
THIS STORY.
IT IS THE ONE STORY I MUST FIND

507
00:28:05,650 --> 00:28:06,000
AN END TO.
HAVE YOU FOUND THAT ENDING?
AND AN ENDING TO THIS STORY AS
WELL?

508
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,521
AN END TO.
HAVE YOU FOUND THAT ENDING?
AND AN ENDING TO THIS STORY AS
WELL?

509
00:28:09,587 --> 00:28:12,000
>> I THOUGHT I HAD, AND THEN
TURNED OUT I HADN'T.
I'M HOPING THIS IS JUST A LAST
TWITCH OF THAT STORY.

510
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:18,000
>> I THOUGHT I HAD, AND THEN
TURNED OUT I HADN'T.
I'M HOPING THIS IS JUST A LAST
TWITCH OF THAT STORY.

511
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,231
>> I THOUGHT I HAD, AND THEN
TURNED OUT I HADN'T.
I'M HOPING THIS IS JUST A LAST
TWITCH OF THAT STORY.

512
00:28:20,298 --> 00:28:23,134
I DON'T KNOW.
I'LL LET YOU KNOW.

513
00:28:28,273 --> 00:28:30,000
>>> SALMAN RUSHDIE ON CENSORSHIP
IN AMERICA TODAY.
>> THERE'S -- FROM THE LEFT AND
FROM THE RIGHT.

514
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,779
>>> SALMAN RUSHDIE ON CENSORSHIP
IN AMERICA TODAY.
>> THERE'S -- FROM THE LEFT AND
FROM THE RIGHT.

515
00:28:34,846 --> 00:28:36,000
>>> THERE'S THE LOCH NESS
MONSTER IN SCOTLAND.
AND IN THE HIMALAYAS, THERE'S
THE YETI, THE ABOMINABLE

516
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:42,000
>>> THERE'S THE LOCH NESS
MONSTER IN SCOTLAND.
AND IN THE HIMALAYAS, THERE'S
THE YETI, THE ABOMINABLE

517
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:48,000
>>> THERE'S THE LOCH NESS
MONSTER IN SCOTLAND.
AND IN THE HIMALAYAS, THERE'S
THE YETI, THE ABOMINABLE

518
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:54,000
>>> THERE'S THE LOCH NESS
MONSTER IN SCOTLAND.
AND IN THE HIMALAYAS, THERE'S
THE YETI, THE ABOMINABLE

519
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,834
>>> THERE'S THE LOCH NESS
MONSTER IN SCOTLAND.
AND IN THE HIMALAYAS, THERE'S
THE YETI, THE ABOMINABLE

520
00:28:55,900 --> 00:29:00,000
SNOWMAN.
IN TASMANIA, THERE'S THE
THYLACINE, A CREATURE THAT
BRINGS OUT FOLKLORE AND FOLKS

521
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,406
SNOWMAN.
IN TASMANIA, THERE'S THE
THYLACINE, A CREATURE THAT
BRINGS OUT FOLKLORE AND FOLKS

522
00:29:01,473 --> 00:29:06,000
ARMED WITH GRAINY IMAGES,
CONVINCED THEY'VE SEEN THE
THING.
BUT UNLIKE OTHER MYTHICAL

523
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,481
ARMED WITH GRAINY IMAGES,
CONVINCED THEY'VE SEEN THE
THING.
BUT UNLIKE OTHER MYTHICAL

524
00:29:09,547 --> 00:29:12,000
CREATURES, THE THYLACINE,
ACTUALLY INDISPUTABLY EXISTED.
WHICH GIVES HOPES TO SO MANY
OBSESSIVES, DREAMERS, AND TRUE

525
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:18,000
CREATURES, THE THYLACINE,
ACTUALLY INDISPUTABLY EXISTED.
WHICH GIVES HOPES TO SO MANY
OBSESSIVES, DREAMERS, AND TRUE

526
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,560
CREATURES, THE THYLACINE,
ACTUALLY INDISPUTABLY EXISTED.
WHICH GIVES HOPES TO SO MANY
OBSESSIVES, DREAMERS, AND TRUE

527
00:29:22,627 --> 00:29:24,000
BELIEVERS LOOKING FOR THE
TASMANIAN TIGER IN THE BUSH, AND
AS YOU'LL SEE, IN THE LAB.
THIS IS A STORY THAT SAYS AS

528
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,900
BELIEVERS LOOKING FOR THE
TASMANIAN TIGER IN THE BUSH, AND
AS YOU'LL SEE, IN THE LAB.
THIS IS A STORY THAT SAYS AS

529
00:29:28,967 --> 00:29:30,000
MUCH ABOUT HUMAN NATURE AS IT
DOES NATURE NATURE, FURTHER
PROOF THAT EVEN IN THE FACE OF
SCIENCE AND LOGIC, PASSION

530
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:36,000
MUCH ABOUT HUMAN NATURE AS IT
DOES NATURE NATURE, FURTHER
PROOF THAT EVEN IN THE FACE OF
SCIENCE AND LOGIC, PASSION

531
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:36,674
MUCH ABOUT HUMAN NATURE AS IT
DOES NATURE NATURE, FURTHER
PROOF THAT EVEN IN THE FACE OF
SCIENCE AND LOGIC, PASSION

532
00:29:36,741 --> 00:29:42,000
SURVIVES IN THE WILD JUST FINE.
>> YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS HOW
MANY YEARS NOW?
>> I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER

533
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,248
SURVIVES IN THE WILD JUST FINE.
>> YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS HOW
MANY YEARS NOW?
>> I'VE BEEN DOING THIS FOR OVER

534
00:29:43,314 --> 00:29:48,000
30 YEARS, AND EVERY DAY IS AN
ADVENTURE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
HERE WE GO.

535
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,525
30 YEARS, AND EVERY DAY IS AN
ADVENTURE.
>> ALL RIGHT.
HERE WE GO.

536
00:29:53,591 --> 00:29:54,000
>> GETTING THERE WASN'T EASY,
BUT ADRIAN "RICHO" RICHARDSON,
RETRACED HIS STEPS.
TRAMPING AROUND THE DENSE

537
00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,000
>> GETTING THERE WASN'T EASY,
BUT ADRIAN "RICHO" RICHARDSON,
RETRACED HIS STEPS.
TRAMPING AROUND THE DENSE

538
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,601
>> GETTING THERE WASN'T EASY,
BUT ADRIAN "RICHO" RICHARDSON,
RETRACED HIS STEPS.
TRAMPING AROUND THE DENSE

539
00:30:03,668 --> 00:30:06,000
OUTBACK OF TASMANIA ON JANUARY
28, 2017, 1245 :45 P.M., HE HEA
THE SOUND.
>> AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS THIS

540
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:12,000
OUTBACK OF TASMANIA ON JANUARY
28, 2017, 1245 :45 P.M., HE HEA
THE SOUND.
>> AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS THIS

541
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,381
OUTBACK OF TASMANIA ON JANUARY
28, 2017, 1245 :45 P.M., HE HEA
THE SOUND.
>> AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WAS THIS

542
00:30:16,447 --> 00:30:18,000
MIGHTY HELL LIKE THIS.
I WAS GOB SMACKED.
THE HAIRS ON MY NECK STOOD ON
END.

543
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:24,000
MIGHTY HELL LIKE THIS.
I WAS GOB SMACKED.
THE HAIRS ON MY NECK STOOD ON
END.

544
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,990
MIGHTY HELL LIKE THIS.
I WAS GOB SMACKED.
THE HAIRS ON MY NECK STOOD ON
END.

545
00:30:26,057 --> 00:30:30,000
AS THAT CALL FINISHED, ANOTHER
ONE CALLED FROM THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE FOREST.
ANOTHER HOWL LIKE THAT ONE.

546
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,330
AS THAT CALL FINISHED, ANOTHER
ONE CALLED FROM THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE FOREST.
ANOTHER HOWL LIKE THAT ONE.

547
00:30:32,397 --> 00:30:36,000
>> WHAT DID THAT ONE SOUND LIKE?
>> EXACTLY LIKE --
>> RICHO CRANED HIS NECK BUT SAW
NO CREATURE.

548
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,537
>> WHAT DID THAT ONE SOUND LIKE?
>> EXACTLY LIKE --
>> RICHO CRANED HIS NECK BUT SAW
NO CREATURE.

549
00:30:39,604 --> 00:30:42,000
STILL, HE'S SURE OF WHAT IT WAS,
A TASMANIAN TIGER.
>> THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT WENT
QUIET FOR ABOUT A MINUTE.

550
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:48,000
STILL, HE'S SURE OF WHAT IT WAS,
A TASMANIAN TIGER.
>> THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT WENT
QUIET FOR ABOUT A MINUTE.

551
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,147
STILL, HE'S SURE OF WHAT IT WAS,
A TASMANIAN TIGER.
>> THE WHOLE ENVIRONMENT WENT
QUIET FOR ABOUT A MINUTE.

552
00:30:49,214 --> 00:30:54,000
THERE WAS THIS UNBELIEVABLE
FEELING.
I JUST CAN'T EXPLAIN IT.
>> YOU'RE STILL EMOTIONAL

553
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:54,085
THERE WAS THIS UNBELIEVABLE
FEELING.
I JUST CAN'T EXPLAIN IT.
>> YOU'RE STILL EMOTIONAL

554
00:30:54,152 --> 00:31:00,000
TALKING ABOUT THIS.
>> LOOK, I'M GOING TO REMEMBER
THAT CALL TO THE TIME I DIE.
THEN I HAD TO TRY AND PROVE TO

555
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,793
TALKING ABOUT THIS.
>> LOOK, I'M GOING TO REMEMBER
THAT CALL TO THE TIME I DIE.
THEN I HAD TO TRY AND PROVE TO

556
00:31:01,859 --> 00:31:06,000
OTHERS WHAT I'D HEARD.
>> WHEN HE RETURNED TO HIS HOME
IN HOBART, TASMANIA'S CAPITAL,
HE DIDN'T GO TO THE PUB TO SHARE

557
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,703
OTHERS WHAT I'D HEARD.
>> WHEN HE RETURNED TO HIS HOME
IN HOBART, TASMANIA'S CAPITAL,
HE DIDN'T GO TO THE PUB TO SHARE

558
00:31:11,769 --> 00:31:12,000
HIS ACCOUNT.
HE STAYED UP AT HIS DESK.
>> WHAT MY PASSION IS THE
THYLACINE.

559
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:18,000
HIS ACCOUNT.
HE STAYED UP AT HIS DESK.
>> WHAT MY PASSION IS THE
THYLACINE.

560
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,509
HIS ACCOUNT.
HE STAYED UP AT HIS DESK.
>> WHAT MY PASSION IS THE
THYLACINE.

561
00:31:18,576 --> 00:31:24,000
I KNOW IT'S THERE.
>> AND THIS ONLY REINFORCED YOUR
FAITH.
>> OH, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

562
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,215
I KNOW IT'S THERE.
>> AND THIS ONLY REINFORCED YOUR
FAITH.
>> OH, WITHOUT A DOUBT.

563
00:31:24,282 --> 00:31:30,000
>> ONE SLIGHT HITCH, ONE CRIMP
ON THE BARBIE, AS IT WERE, THE
CREATURE RICHO DESCRIBED SO
BREATHLESSLY, IT WAS DECLARED

564
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,525
>> ONE SLIGHT HITCH, ONE CRIMP
ON THE BARBIE, AS IT WERE, THE
CREATURE RICHO DESCRIBED SO
BREATHLESSLY, IT WAS DECLARED

565
00:31:34,592 --> 00:31:36,000
EXTINCT ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO.
>> THOUGHT MAYBE IT'S A DINGO.
MAYBE IT'S A WOLF.
>> IN TASMANIA, WE DO NOT HAVE

566
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:41,032
EXTINCT ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO.
>> THOUGHT MAYBE IT'S A DINGO.
MAYBE IT'S A WOLF.
>> IN TASMANIA, WE DO NOT HAVE

567
00:31:41,099 --> 00:31:42,000
ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE IT.
WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE WILD DOGS IN
ANY FORM.
THE ONLY FERAL THING WE HAVE

568
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:48,000
ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE IT.
WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE WILD DOGS IN
ANY FORM.
THE ONLY FERAL THING WE HAVE

569
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:48,573
ANYTHING REMOTELY LIKE IT.
WE DO NOT EVEN HAVE WILD DOGS IN
ANY FORM.
THE ONLY FERAL THING WE HAVE

570
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,000
AROUND HERE IS DEER OR CATS.
>> I DON'T THINK DEERS ARE
MAKING THAT NOISE.
>> NO, SIR, THEY DID NOT.

571
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,880
AROUND HERE IS DEER OR CATS.
>> I DON'T THINK DEERS ARE
MAKING THAT NOISE.
>> NO, SIR, THEY DID NOT.

572
00:31:55,947 --> 00:32:00,000
>> THE TASMANIAN TIGER ROAMED
THESE PARTS FOR THOUSANDS OF
YEARS.
MORE WOLF THAN TIGER, IT WAS --

573
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,388
>> THE TASMANIAN TIGER ROAMED
THESE PARTS FOR THOUSANDS OF
YEARS.
MORE WOLF THAN TIGER, IT WAS --

574
00:32:03,454 --> 00:32:06,000
IS -- A MARSUPIAL WEIGHING ABOUT
55 POUNDS.
>> THE TASMANIAN TIGER.
>> IT WAS ALSO A CARNIVORE THAT

575
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,863
IS -- A MARSUPIAL WEIGHING ABOUT
55 POUNDS.
>> THE TASMANIAN TIGER.
>> IT WAS ALSO A CARNIVORE THAT

576
00:32:11,929 --> 00:32:12,000
PREYED ON FARMERS' SHEEP.
RECALLING THE FATE OF THE WOLF
OF THE AMERICAN WEST AROUND THE
SAME TIME, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT

577
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,000
PREYED ON FARMERS' SHEEP.
RECALLING THE FATE OF THE WOLF
OF THE AMERICAN WEST AROUND THE
SAME TIME, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT

578
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:18,703
PREYED ON FARMERS' SHEEP.
RECALLING THE FATE OF THE WOLF
OF THE AMERICAN WEST AROUND THE
SAME TIME, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT

579
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:24,000
PAID OUT BOUNTIES TO HUNTERS
PRESENTING CARCASSES.
THE POPULATION DWINDLED ONE,
CAPTIVE AT THE ZOO, WHERE IT

580
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,080
PAID OUT BOUNTIES TO HUNTERS
PRESENTING CARCASSES.
THE POPULATION DWINDLED ONE,
CAPTIVE AT THE ZOO, WHERE IT

581
00:32:29,147 --> 00:32:30,000
DIED IN 1936.
WITH THE REQUIRED 50 YEARS
ELAPSES WITHOUT A CONFIRMED
SIGHTING, THE TIGER WAS PUT ON

582
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,000
DIED IN 1936.
WITH THE REQUIRED 50 YEARS
ELAPSES WITHOUT A CONFIRMED
SIGHTING, THE TIGER WAS PUT ON

583
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:36,354
DIED IN 1936.
WITH THE REQUIRED 50 YEARS
ELAPSES WITHOUT A CONFIRMED
SIGHTING, THE TIGER WAS PUT ON

584
00:32:36,421 --> 00:32:42,000
THE EXTINCT LIST IN 1986.
YET PUTTING THE MANIA IN
TASMANIA, THE SEARCH BECAME A
NATIONAL OBSESSION.

585
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,628
THE EXTINCT LIST IN 1986.
YET PUTTING THE MANIA IN
TASMANIA, THE SEARCH BECAME A
NATIONAL OBSESSION.

586
00:32:43,695 --> 00:32:48,000
IN THE TASMANIAN TIGER, NOT THE
TASMANIAN DEVIL, BECAME A LOCAL
MASCOT.
ITS IMAGE ADORNS TASMANIA'S COAT

587
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,337
IN THE TASMANIAN TIGER, NOT THE
TASMANIAN DEVIL, BECAME A LOCAL
MASCOT.
ITS IMAGE ADORNS TASMANIA'S COAT

588
00:32:52,403 --> 00:32:54,000
OF ARMS AND GOVERNMENT
BUILDINGS.
HERE'S THE ISLAND'S CURRENT
LICENSE PLATE.

589
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,308
OF ARMS AND GOVERNMENT
BUILDINGS.
HERE'S THE ISLAND'S CURRENT
LICENSE PLATE.

590
00:32:57,375 --> 00:33:00,000
AT LOCAL WATERING HOLES, THE
REGULARS PUT DOWN THEIR BEER
LONG ENOUGH TO TELL YOU THEY'VE
SEEN THE ANIMAL, OR KNOW SOMEONE

591
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,415
AT LOCAL WATERING HOLES, THE
REGULARS PUT DOWN THEIR BEER
LONG ENOUGH TO TELL YOU THEY'VE
SEEN THE ANIMAL, OR KNOW SOMEONE

592
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:06,000
WHO HAS.
>> HELD A TORCH ON IT FOR 40
SECONDS, I RECKON.
>> WHEN NICK MOONEY WAS A

593
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:12,000
WHO HAS.
>> HELD A TORCH ON IT FOR 40
SECONDS, I RECKON.
>> WHEN NICK MOONEY WAS A

594
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,326
WHO HAS.
>> HELD A TORCH ON IT FOR 40
SECONDS, I RECKON.
>> WHEN NICK MOONEY WAS A

595
00:33:15,393 --> 00:33:18,000
BIOLOGIST, IT FELL TO HIM TO
INVESTIGATE THE VARIOUS
TASMANIAN TIGER ACCOUNTS.
>> I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO

596
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:24,000
BIOLOGIST, IT FELL TO HIM TO
INVESTIGATE THE VARIOUS
TASMANIAN TIGER ACCOUNTS.
>> I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO

597
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,302
BIOLOGIST, IT FELL TO HIM TO
INVESTIGATE THE VARIOUS
TASMANIAN TIGER ACCOUNTS.
>> I KNOW SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO

598
00:33:24,369 --> 00:33:30,000
HAVE GOT CLASSES OF CAMERAS IN
VERY REMOTE AREAS, SERVICED
REMOTELY BY SATELLITE, AND WHO
GO AND CHECK ON THE CAMERAS WITH

599
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,846
HAVE GOT CLASSES OF CAMERAS IN
VERY REMOTE AREAS, SERVICED
REMOTELY BY SATELLITE, AND WHO
GO AND CHECK ON THE CAMERAS WITH

600
00:33:34,912 --> 00:33:36,000
THEIR OWN HE WILICOPTER, ALL SO
OF THINGS.
>> YOU MOVED WAY BEYOND THE GUY
WITH BINOCULARS SAYING, I THINK

601
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:42,000
THEIR OWN HE WILICOPTER, ALL SO
OF THINGS.
>> YOU MOVED WAY BEYOND THE GUY
WITH BINOCULARS SAYING, I THINK

602
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,388
THEIR OWN HE WILICOPTER, ALL SO
OF THINGS.
>> YOU MOVED WAY BEYOND THE GUY
WITH BINOCULARS SAYING, I THINK

603
00:33:43,454 --> 00:33:48,000
I MAY HAVE SEEN SOMETHING.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> HE CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE, NO
ONE EVER QUITE CAPTURES A CLEAR

604
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,097
I MAY HAVE SEEN SOMETHING.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> HE CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE, NO
ONE EVER QUITE CAPTURES A CLEAR

605
00:33:53,164 --> 00:33:54,000
IMAGE.
>> HAVE YOU EVER GOT A REPORT
THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE PAUSE?
>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE DEAD

606
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,000
IMAGE.
>> HAVE YOU EVER GOT A REPORT
THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE PAUSE?
>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE DEAD

607
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:00,705
IMAGE.
>> HAVE YOU EVER GOT A REPORT
THAT GAVE YOU A LITTLE PAUSE?
>> SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE DEAD

608
00:34:00,772 --> 00:34:06,000
ACCURATE WITH THE TIMES, THE
PLACES, THE DISTANCES.
AND VERY GOOD NATURALISTS OFTEN
DON'T EXAGGERATE.

609
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:12,000
ACCURATE WITH THE TIMES, THE
PLACES, THE DISTANCES.
AND VERY GOOD NATURALISTS OFTEN
DON'T EXAGGERATE.

610
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:12,383
ACCURATE WITH THE TIMES, THE
PLACES, THE DISTANCES.
AND VERY GOOD NATURALISTS OFTEN
DON'T EXAGGERATE.

611
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:18,000
IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY TO THOSE
PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK YOU SAW A
THYLACINE.
>> FOR THE DEVOTED ARMY OF

612
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,557
IT'S VERY HARD TO SAY TO THOSE
PEOPLE, I DON'T THINK YOU SAW A
THYLACINE.
>> FOR THE DEVOTED ARMY OF

613
00:34:19,624 --> 00:34:24,000
SEEKERS, THE INVESTMENT ISN'T
JUST ONE OF HOPE AND TIME.
EACH YEAR, RICHO SPENDS MORE
THAN HE CARES TO ADMIT DOLLARS

614
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,697
SEEKERS, THE INVESTMENT ISN'T
JUST ONE OF HOPE AND TIME.
EACH YEAR, RICHO SPENDS MORE
THAN HE CARES TO ADMIT DOLLARS

615
00:34:26,764 --> 00:34:30,000
ON TRAIL CAM BATTERIES ALONE.
>> HOW MUCH HAVE YOU SUNK INTO
THIS OBSESSION?
>> SIR, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO

616
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:36,000
ON TRAIL CAM BATTERIES ALONE.
>> HOW MUCH HAVE YOU SUNK INTO
THIS OBSESSION?
>> SIR, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO

617
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,242
ON TRAIL CAM BATTERIES ALONE.
>> HOW MUCH HAVE YOU SUNK INTO
THIS OBSESSION?
>> SIR, I WOULDN'T LIKE TO

618
00:34:38,309 --> 00:34:42,000
SPECULATE, AND PLEASE DON'T TELL
MY WIFE.
>> IT CAN BE OUR SECRET.
>> SHE OFTEN ASKS AND I DON'T --

619
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,185
SPECULATE, AND PLEASE DON'T TELL
MY WIFE.
>> IT CAN BE OUR SECRET.
>> SHE OFTEN ASKS AND I DON'T --

620
00:34:47,251 --> 00:34:48,000
CAN WE STOP THAT ONE?
CAN WE READ THROUGH THAT ONE
AGAIN?
>> IN THE BUSH, WE MET ANOTHER

621
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:54,000
CAN WE STOP THAT ONE?
CAN WE READ THROUGH THAT ONE
AGAIN?
>> IN THE BUSH, WE MET ANOTHER

622
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,928
CAN WE STOP THAT ONE?
CAN WE READ THROUGH THAT ONE
AGAIN?
>> IN THE BUSH, WE MET ANOTHER

623
00:34:56,994 --> 00:35:00,000
ENTHUSIAST, CHRIS REHBERG, AND
APPROACHES THE MATTER IN THE
MANNER OF A CSI DETECTIVE.
>> APART FROM THE CAMERAS,

624
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,000
ENTHUSIAST, CHRIS REHBERG, AND
APPROACHES THE MATTER IN THE
MANNER OF A CSI DETECTIVE.
>> APART FROM THE CAMERAS,

625
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,438
ENTHUSIAST, CHRIS REHBERG, AND
APPROACHES THE MATTER IN THE
MANNER OF A CSI DETECTIVE.
>> APART FROM THE CAMERAS,

626
00:35:07,505 --> 00:35:12,000
YOU'VE BEEN SCOURING FOR PRINTS,
FIR, EVEN POO.
>> YEAH, EVERYTHING.
FOOTPRINTS IS A BIG ONE.

627
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,111
YOU'VE BEEN SCOURING FOR PRINTS,
FIR, EVEN POO.
>> YEAH, EVERYTHING.
FOOTPRINTS IS A BIG ONE.

628
00:35:14,178 --> 00:35:18,000
I FOUND A SERIES OF 18, 19
INDIVIDUAL STEPS IN A TRACK LINE
THAT ARE AN EXCELLENT MATCH FOR
TASSIE TIGER.

629
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,953
I FOUND A SERIES OF 18, 19
INDIVIDUAL STEPS IN A TRACK LINE
THAT ARE AN EXCELLENT MATCH FOR
TASSIE TIGER.

630
00:35:22,019 --> 00:35:24,000
THE QUALITY OF THE PRINTS IS
PRISTINE.
CHECK IT OUT.
WHAT'S THE ANIMAL BEEN EATING?

631
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,660
THE QUALITY OF THE PRINTS IS
PRISTINE.
CHECK IT OUT.
WHAT'S THE ANIMAL BEEN EATING?

632
00:35:29,727 --> 00:35:30,000
>> THERE ARE EVEN TRACKING
COLLECTIVES.
RICHO WAS PART OF A BOOTH
RICHARDSON TIGER TEAM.

633
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,732
>> THERE ARE EVEN TRACKING
COLLECTIVES.
RICHO WAS PART OF A BOOTH
RICHARDSON TIGER TEAM.

634
00:35:34,799 --> 00:35:36,000
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON
WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A HISTORIC
DAY.
>> WHICH MADE WORLDWIDE NEWS IN

635
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,000
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON
WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A HISTORIC
DAY.
>> WHICH MADE WORLDWIDE NEWS IN

636
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,640
>> THANK YOU FOR JOINING US ON
WHAT WE BELIEVE IS A HISTORIC
DAY.
>> WHICH MADE WORLDWIDE NEWS IN

637
00:35:42,707 --> 00:35:47,879
2017, AFTER CALLING A PRESS
CONFERENCE TO ANNOUNCE A
SIGHTING.
BUT WHEN THEY PROVIDED THIS

638
00:35:47,945 --> 00:35:48,000
IMAGE AS PROOF, NICK MOONEY
ASSESSED IT AS A CHANCE BUT NOT
AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION.
>> WHAT IS THE MIDDLE GROUND.

639
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,000
IMAGE AS PROOF, NICK MOONEY
ASSESSED IT AS A CHANCE BUT NOT
AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION.
>> WHAT IS THE MIDDLE GROUND.

640
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:54,285
IMAGE AS PROOF, NICK MOONEY
ASSESSED IT AS A CHANCE BUT NOT
AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION.
>> WHAT IS THE MIDDLE GROUND.

641
00:35:54,352 --> 00:36:00,000
YOU CAN BE RIGHT.
YOU CAN BE LYING.
OR YOU CAN HAVE AN ILLUSION.
>> AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WAYS

642
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,826
YOU CAN BE RIGHT.
YOU CAN BE LYING.
OR YOU CAN HAVE AN ILLUSION.
>> AND THERE'S ALL SORTS OF WAYS

643
00:36:01,893 --> 00:36:06,000
THAT OUR MEMORY CAN BE AFFECTED
BY TIME.
I'VE HAD LOTS OF TALKS WITH SIGH
PSYCHIATRISTS AND DETECTIVES

644
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,468
THAT OUR MEMORY CAN BE AFFECTED
BY TIME.
I'VE HAD LOTS OF TALKS WITH SIGH
PSYCHIATRISTS AND DETECTIVES

645
00:36:10,535 --> 00:36:12,000
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS.
YOU REALLY OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE A
CHOICE, A PERSONAL CALL IN THE
END TO ESSENTIALLY TELL THEM

646
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,000
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS.
YOU REALLY OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE A
CHOICE, A PERSONAL CALL IN THE
END TO ESSENTIALLY TELL THEM

647
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,676
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THIS.
YOU REALLY OFTEN HAVE TO MAKE A
CHOICE, A PERSONAL CALL IN THE
END TO ESSENTIALLY TELL THEM

648
00:36:18,743 --> 00:36:23,147
THEY'RE WRONG AND THEIR MIND IS
DECEIVING THEM.
YOU CAN'T TELL THEM THAT BECAUSE
YOU DON'T KNOW.

649
00:36:23,214 --> 00:36:24,000
IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DON'T
KNOW.
>> RICHO AND THE OTHER SEEKERS
WON'T HAVE TO WAIT LONG.

650
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:30,000
IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DON'T
KNOW.
>> RICHO AND THE OTHER SEEKERS
WON'T HAVE TO WAIT LONG.

651
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,621
IF YOU WEREN'T THERE, YOU DON'T
KNOW.
>> RICHO AND THE OTHER SEEKERS
WON'T HAVE TO WAIT LONG.

652
00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:36,000
THEY WON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO INTO
THE BUSH IF A GROUP OF INVESTORS
DELIVER ON THEIR GOAL.
ANDREW PASK COMES TO THE QUEST

653
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:42,000
THEY WON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO INTO
THE BUSH IF A GROUP OF INVESTORS
DELIVER ON THEIR GOAL.
ANDREW PASK COMES TO THE QUEST

654
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,901
THEY WON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO INTO
THE BUSH IF A GROUP OF INVESTORS
DELIVER ON THEIR GOAL.
ANDREW PASK COMES TO THE QUEST

655
00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:48,000
ARMED WITH A MICROSCOPE.
>> IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE IN
THAT LANDSCAPE AND TO SEE ONE
WALKING PAST IN THE PUSH, AN

656
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,000
ARMED WITH A MICROSCOPE.
>> IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE IN
THAT LANDSCAPE AND TO SEE ONE
WALKING PAST IN THE PUSH, AN

657
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,679
ARMED WITH A MICROSCOPE.
>> IT WOULD BE LIKE TO BE IN
THAT LANDSCAPE AND TO SEE ONE
WALKING PAST IN THE PUSH, AN

658
00:36:54,745 --> 00:37:00,000
ACTUAL ONE RATHER THAN A CRAPPY
PHOTOGRAPH.
>> TELL US WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
>> WE CAN'T MAGICALLY BRING THE

659
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,887
ACTUAL ONE RATHER THAN A CRAPPY
PHOTOGRAPH.
>> TELL US WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
>> WE CAN'T MAGICALLY BRING THE

660
00:37:02,954 --> 00:37:06,000
TASMANIAN TIGER BACK.
WE HAVE TO START WITH A LIVING
CELL AND ENGINEER OUR THYLACINE
BACK INTO EXISTENCE.

661
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,360
TASMANIAN TIGER BACK.
WE HAVE TO START WITH A LIVING
CELL AND ENGINEER OUR THYLACINE
BACK INTO EXISTENCE.

662
00:37:09,427 --> 00:37:12,000
YOU FIND THE CLOSEST LIVING
RELATIVE TO YOUR ANIMAL THAT HAS
GONE EXTINCT.
FOR US, THAT IS A SMALL

663
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:18,000
YOU FIND THE CLOSEST LIVING
RELATIVE TO YOUR ANIMAL THAT HAS
GONE EXTINCT.
FOR US, THAT IS A SMALL

664
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,204
YOU FIND THE CLOSEST LIVING
RELATIVE TO YOUR ANIMAL THAT HAS
GONE EXTINCT.
FOR US, THAT IS A SMALL

665
00:37:20,271 --> 00:37:24,000
MARSUPIAL.
>> A DEVELOPMENTAL BIOLOGIST,
PASK HAS RAISED $15 MILLION FOR
A DEEXTINCTION PROJECT THAT

666
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,000
MARSUPIAL.
>> A DEVELOPMENTAL BIOLOGIST,
PASK HAS RAISED $15 MILLION FOR
A DEEXTINCTION PROJECT THAT

667
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,281
MARSUPIAL.
>> A DEVELOPMENTAL BIOLOGIST,
PASK HAS RAISED $15 MILLION FOR
A DEEXTINCTION PROJECT THAT

668
00:37:30,348 --> 00:37:36,000
RECALLS "JURASSIC PARK."
LEONARDO DiCAPRIO, PARIS HILTON,
AND EVEN THE CIA AMONG ITS
ADVOCATES.

669
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:42,000
RECALLS "JURASSIC PARK."
LEONARDO DiCAPRIO, PARIS HILTON,
AND EVEN THE CIA AMONG ITS
ADVOCATES.

670
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,000
RECALLS "JURASSIC PARK."
LEONARDO DiCAPRIO, PARIS HILTON,
AND EVEN THE CIA AMONG ITS
ADVOCATES.

671
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,102
RECALLS "JURASSIC PARK."
LEONARDO DiCAPRIO, PARIS HILTON,
AND EVEN THE CIA AMONG ITS
ADVOCATES.

672
00:37:51,168 --> 00:37:54,000
WE'LL LET HIM EXPLAIN.
>> WE EXAMINE ALL OF ITS DNA.
WE COMPARE THAT TO THE DNA OF
YOUR EXTINCT SPECIES, THE

673
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,474
WE'LL LET HIM EXPLAIN.
>> WE EXAMINE ALL OF ITS DNA.
WE COMPARE THAT TO THE DNA OF
YOUR EXTINCT SPECIES, THE

674
00:37:56,540 --> 00:38:00,000
TASMANIAN TIGER, AND WE LOOK AT
THE TWO GENOMES OR TWO PILES OF
DNA, HOW THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
AND ONCE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THE

675
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,881
TASMANIAN TIGER, AND WE LOOK AT
THE TWO GENOMES OR TWO PILES OF
DNA, HOW THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
AND ONCE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED THE

676
00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:06,000
DIFFERENCES, IT'S JUST A MATTER
OF THEN GOING IN AND MAKING ALL
OF THOSE EDITS TO TURN YOUR FAT
TAIL DUNNART INTO A CELL.

677
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:12,000
DIFFERENCES, IT'S JUST A MATTER
OF THEN GOING IN AND MAKING ALL
OF THOSE EDITS TO TURN YOUR FAT
TAIL DUNNART INTO A CELL.

678
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,361
DIFFERENCES, IT'S JUST A MATTER
OF THEN GOING IN AND MAKING ALL
OF THOSE EDITS TO TURN YOUR FAT
TAIL DUNNART INTO A CELL.

679
00:38:17,428 --> 00:38:18,000
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT DUNNART IS
CLOSER THAN THE TASMANIAN DEVIL.
>> THAT LITTLE DUNNART IS A
FEROCIOUS CARNIVORE EVEN THOUGH

680
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:24,000
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT DUNNART IS
CLOSER THAN THE TASMANIAN DEVIL.
>> THAT LITTLE DUNNART IS A
FEROCIOUS CARNIVORE EVEN THOUGH

681
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,935
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT DUNNART IS
CLOSER THAN THE TASMANIAN DEVIL.
>> THAT LITTLE DUNNART IS A
FEROCIOUS CARNIVORE EVEN THOUGH

682
00:38:25,002 --> 00:38:30,000
AND IT'S A VERY, VERY SURROGATE
FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THIS
EDITING IN.
>> A NATIVE OF MINNESOTA, KRIS

683
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,543
AND IT'S A VERY, VERY SURROGATE
FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THIS
EDITING IN.
>> A NATIVE OF MINNESOTA, KRIS

684
00:38:32,610 --> 00:38:36,000
HELGEN IS CREATIVE OF THE
RESEARCH INSTITUTE IN SYDNEY.
HE UNDERSTANDS THE PUSH TO
DEEXTINCT THE TASSIE TIGER.

685
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:42,000
HELGEN IS CREATIVE OF THE
RESEARCH INSTITUTE IN SYDNEY.
HE UNDERSTANDS THE PUSH TO
DEEXTINCT THE TASSIE TIGER.

686
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:42,887
HELGEN IS CREATIVE OF THE
RESEARCH INSTITUTE IN SYDNEY.
HE UNDERSTANDS THE PUSH TO
DEEXTINCT THE TASSIE TIGER.

687
00:38:42,953 --> 00:38:48,000
>> THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE
MAMMALS.
AND I LOVE ALL MAMMALS.
I AM A MAMMAL GUY.

688
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,092
>> THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE
MAMMALS.
AND I LOVE ALL MAMMALS.
I AM A MAMMAL GUY.

689
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:53,030
THIS IS A SPECIAL, SPECIAL
ANIMAL.
>> HE TOOK US UPSTAIRS TO HIS
LAB TO SHOW US WHY.

690
00:38:53,097 --> 00:38:54,000
>> SO, THIS IS TASMANIAN TIGER
OF THE 19th CENTURY.
>> SEE THE STRIPES, SEE THE
THICK TAIL, SEE THE GAPING MOUTH

691
00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,000
>> SO, THIS IS TASMANIAN TIGER
OF THE 19th CENTURY.
>> SEE THE STRIPES, SEE THE
THICK TAIL, SEE THE GAPING MOUTH

692
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,640
>> SO, THIS IS TASMANIAN TIGER
OF THE 19th CENTURY.
>> SEE THE STRIPES, SEE THE
THICK TAIL, SEE THE GAPING MOUTH

693
00:39:02,707 --> 00:39:06,000
WITH THE SHARP TEETH.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS
DE-EXTINCTION EFFORT WITH
RESPECT TO THE TASMANIAN TIGER.

694
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,146
WITH THE SHARP TEETH.
>> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THIS
DE-EXTINCTION EFFORT WITH
RESPECT TO THE TASMANIAN TIGER.

695
00:39:09,213 --> 00:39:12,000
>> I WOULD BE THE FIRST PERSON
TO LINE UP TO SEE THIS ANIMAL IF
IT COULD BE SOMEHOW BROUGHT BACK
FROM EXTINCTION.

696
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,420
>> I WOULD BE THE FIRST PERSON
TO LINE UP TO SEE THIS ANIMAL IF
IT COULD BE SOMEHOW BROUGHT BACK
FROM EXTINCTION.

697
00:39:16,487 --> 00:39:18,000
>> THAT SAID, HELGEN IS THE
SKEPTIC, EXPLAINING THAT WISHING
TASSIE TIGERS WERE RUNNING
RAMPANT DOESN'T OVERCOME

698
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:24,000
>> THAT SAID, HELGEN IS THE
SKEPTIC, EXPLAINING THAT WISHING
TASSIE TIGERS WERE RUNNING
RAMPANT DOESN'T OVERCOME

699
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:24,228
>> THAT SAID, HELGEN IS THE
SKEPTIC, EXPLAINING THAT WISHING
TASSIE TIGERS WERE RUNNING
RAMPANT DOESN'T OVERCOME

700
00:39:24,295 --> 00:39:30,000
SCIENCE.
>> THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD
ACTUALLY TWEAK THE DNA OF THIS
MOUSE-SIZED ANIMAL INTO MAKING

701
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:30,568
SCIENCE.
>> THE IDEA THAT YOU COULD
ACTUALLY TWEAK THE DNA OF THIS
MOUSE-SIZED ANIMAL INTO MAKING

702
00:39:30,634 --> 00:39:36,000
THIS APEX PREDATOR OF AUSTRALIA,
IT STRETCHES IMAGINATION IN MANY
DIFFERENT WAYS.
THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE PROJECT.

703
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,943
THIS APEX PREDATOR OF AUSTRALIA,
IT STRETCHES IMAGINATION IN MANY
DIFFERENT WAYS.
THIS IS AN IMPOSSIBLE PROJECT.

704
00:39:39,009 --> 00:39:42,000
>> WE ALL LOVE OPTIMISM.
WE ALL LOVE INNOVATION.
>> WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WE'RE
GOING TO MODIFY THE GENOME OF A

705
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,784
>> WE ALL LOVE OPTIMISM.
WE ALL LOVE INNOVATION.
>> WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WE'RE
GOING TO MODIFY THE GENOME OF A

706
00:39:46,851 --> 00:39:48,000
DUNNART TO CREATE A GENETICALLY
MODIFIED DUNNART THAT MIGHT LOOK
A LITTLE MORE LIKE A THYLACINE.
MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT

707
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:54,000
DUNNART TO CREATE A GENETICALLY
MODIFIED DUNNART THAT MIGHT LOOK
A LITTLE MORE LIKE A THYLACINE.
MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT

708
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,594
DUNNART TO CREATE A GENETICALLY
MODIFIED DUNNART THAT MIGHT LOOK
A LITTLE MORE LIKE A THYLACINE.
MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT

709
00:39:56,660 --> 00:40:00,000
GENETICALLY AND IT GETS BIGGER.
MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT
GENETICALLY AND IT HAS STEPS ON
IT.

710
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,734
GENETICALLY AND IT GETS BIGGER.
MAYBE WE'LL BE ABLE TO TWEAK IT
GENETICALLY AND IT HAS STEPS ON
IT.

711
00:40:03,801 --> 00:40:06,000
BUT THERE'S ABOUT 1,001 STEPS IN
BETWEEN.
>> HELGEN HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THE
SOURCE OF THE TASSIE TIGER

712
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,940
BUT THERE'S ABOUT 1,001 STEPS IN
BETWEEN.
>> HELGEN HAS THOUGHT ABOUT THE
SOURCE OF THE TASSIE TIGER

713
00:40:10,007 --> 00:40:12,000
OBSESSION AND WONDERS HOW MUCH
IS DRIVEN BY REMORSE.
>> IT'S A SPECIAL SYMBOL ABOUT
AUSTRALIA AND ABOUT WHAT WE'VE

714
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,579
OBSESSION AND WONDERS HOW MUCH
IS DRIVEN BY REMORSE.
>> IT'S A SPECIAL SYMBOL ABOUT
AUSTRALIA AND ABOUT WHAT WE'VE

715
00:40:15,646 --> 00:40:18,000
LOST.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXTINCTIONS
HERE IN THE LAST 100, 200 YEARS.
30 MAMMAL MAS ALONE.

716
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,052
LOST.
WE'VE HAD A LOT OF EXTINCTIONS
HERE IN THE LAST 100, 200 YEARS.
30 MAMMAL MAS ALONE.

717
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,000
SO, IN THE UNITED STATES, ONLY
ONE OR TWO MAMMAL SPECIES HAVE
DISAPPEARED ENTIRELY.
>> WHY AREN'T PEOPLE TAKING THIS

718
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:30,000
SO, IN THE UNITED STATES, ONLY
ONE OR TWO MAMMAL SPECIES HAVE
DISAPPEARED ENTIRELY.
>> WHY AREN'T PEOPLE TAKING THIS

719
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:35,399
SO, IN THE UNITED STATES, ONLY
ONE OR TWO MAMMAL SPECIES HAVE
DISAPPEARED ENTIRELY.
>> WHY AREN'T PEOPLE TAKING THIS

720
00:40:35,466 --> 00:40:36,000
SERIOUSLY?
>> SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE
DREAM, IF WE CAN JUST GET THIS
ANIMAL BACK.

721
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,036
SERIOUSLY?
>> SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE
DREAM, IF WE CAN JUST GET THIS
ANIMAL BACK.

722
00:40:39,103 --> 00:40:42,000
MAYBE IT WOULD HELP US THINK
DIFFERENT ABOUT EXTINCTION OR
THE GUILT THAT WE MIGHT FEEL OF
HAVING REMOVED SUCH A SPECIAL

723
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,909
MAYBE IT WOULD HELP US THINK
DIFFERENT ABOUT EXTINCTION OR
THE GUILT THAT WE MIGHT FEEL OF
HAVING REMOVED SUCH A SPECIAL

724
00:40:44,975 --> 00:40:48,000
ANIMAL FROM THE PLANET, WHETHER,
YOU KNOW, THEY IMAGINED IT MIGHT
BE STILL HIDING IN TASMANIA OR
IN A LAB TO BE REBORN.

725
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,483
ANIMAL FROM THE PLANET, WHETHER,
YOU KNOW, THEY IMAGINED IT MIGHT
BE STILL HIDING IN TASMANIA OR
IN A LAB TO BE REBORN.

726
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:54,000
THERE IS THIS BURNING HOPE.
>> RICHO RECKONS THAT IF HIS
COUNTRYMEN IN THE DNA SEQUENCING
LABS CAN RESURRECT A TASSIE

727
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:00,000
THERE IS THIS BURNING HOPE.
>> RICHO RECKONS THAT IF HIS
COUNTRYMEN IN THE DNA SEQUENCING
LABS CAN RESURRECT A TASSIE

728
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,526
THERE IS THIS BURNING HOPE.
>> RICHO RECKONS THAT IF HIS
COUNTRYMEN IN THE DNA SEQUENCING
LABS CAN RESURRECT A TASSIE

729
00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:06,000
TIGER, GOOD ON THEM.
BUT REGARDLESS, HE'LL CONTINUE
COMING HERE.
FAITH UNSHAKEN, HE'S CERTAIN

730
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,732
TIGER, GOOD ON THEM.
BUT REGARDLESS, HE'LL CONTINUE
COMING HERE.
FAITH UNSHAKEN, HE'S CERTAIN

731
00:41:08,799 --> 00:41:12,000
THIS ANIMAL, MOST FAMOUS FOR
BEING EXTINCT, IS NOT EXTINCT AT
ALL.
>> IF SOMEONE ACCUSE YOU OF

732
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,673
THIS ANIMAL, MOST FAMOUS FOR
BEING EXTINCT, IS NOT EXTINCT AT
ALL.
>> IF SOMEONE ACCUSE YOU OF

733
00:41:15,739 --> 00:41:18,000
BEING OBSESSED, WOULD YOU PLEAD
GUILTY?
>> CERTAINLY.
YOUR HONOR, I AM GUILTY.

734
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,278
BEING OBSESSED, WOULD YOU PLEAD
GUILTY?
>> CERTAINLY.
YOUR HONOR, I AM GUILTY.

735
00:41:21,345 --> 00:41:24,000
>> YOU'RE TASMANIAN TIGER
OBSESSIVE.
>> I AM, INDEED.
IT'S BEEN MY LOVE.

736
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,684
>> YOU'RE TASMANIAN TIGER
OBSESSIVE.
>> I AM, INDEED.
IT'S BEEN MY LOVE.

737
00:41:26,750 --> 00:41:30,000
>> WHY IS THAT?
WHY HAVE YOU CONTINUED TO SEARCH
SO LONG FOR THIS?
>> I JUST KNOW IT'S THERE.

738
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,557
>> WHY IS THAT?
WHY HAVE YOU CONTINUED TO SEARCH
SO LONG FOR THIS?
>> I JUST KNOW IT'S THERE.

739
00:41:33,624 --> 00:41:36,000
IN MY OWN HEART, I KNOW IT'S
THERE.
>> AND IF IT ISN'T THERE, WELL,
WE SAY, WHAT'S THE HARM IN

740
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,230
IN MY OWN HEART, I KNOW IT'S
THERE.
>> AND IF IT ISN'T THERE, WELL,
WE SAY, WHAT'S THE HARM IN

741
00:41:39,296 --> 00:41:42,000
SEARCHING?
COMING TO THE PLANET
SUBBASEMENT, BUSH BASHING THIS
GORGEOUS TERRAIN, THERE ARE

742
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,536
SEARCHING?
COMING TO THE PLANET
SUBBASEMENT, BUSH BASHING THIS
GORGEOUS TERRAIN, THERE ARE

743
00:41:45,603 --> 00:41:48,000
WORSE WAYS AND PLACES TO SPEND
YOUR DAYS.

744
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,474
WORSE WAYS AND PLACES TO SPEND
YOUR DAYS.

745
00:41:58,482 --> 00:42:00,000
>>> NOW, THE LAST MINUTE OF "60
MINUTES."
>> NOW, AN UPDATE ON OUR STORY
FROM NOVEMBER ABOUT THE SOCIAL

746
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:06,000
>>> NOW, THE LAST MINUTE OF "60
MINUTES."
>> NOW, AN UPDATE ON OUR STORY
FROM NOVEMBER ABOUT THE SOCIAL

747
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,125
>>> NOW, THE LAST MINUTE OF "60
MINUTES."
>> NOW, AN UPDATE ON OUR STORY
FROM NOVEMBER ABOUT THE SOCIAL

748
00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:12,000
SECURITY ADMINISTRATION
DEMANDING REPAYMENT FROM PEOPLE
THE AGENCY HAS MISTAKENLY
OVERPAID, SOMETIMES YEARS OR

749
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,163
SECURITY ADMINISTRATION
DEMANDING REPAYMENT FROM PEOPLE
THE AGENCY HAS MISTAKENLY
OVERPAID, SOMETIMES YEARS OR

750
00:42:13,230 --> 00:42:18,000
EVEN DECADES AGO.
LAST MONTH, SOCIAL SECURITY
COMMISSIONER MARTIN O'MALLEY
TOLD THE SENATE HEARING, HE'S

751
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,970
EVEN DECADES AGO.
LAST MONTH, SOCIAL SECURITY
COMMISSIONER MARTIN O'MALLEY
TOLD THE SENATE HEARING, HE'S

752
00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:24,000
MAKING SOME CHANGES.
>> MANY OF YOU PROBABLY SAW THE
TELEVISION JOURNALISM PIECE DONE
BY "60 MINUTES," HIGHLIGHTING

753
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,512
MAKING SOME CHANGES.
>> MANY OF YOU PROBABLY SAW THE
TELEVISION JOURNALISM PIECE DONE
BY "60 MINUTES," HIGHLIGHTING

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THE INJUSTICE THAT WE DO TO
AMERICANS WHEN, THROUGH NO FAULT
OF THEIR OWN, WE OVERPAY THEM
AND THEN CLAW BACK IN A RATHER

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THE INJUSTICE THAT WE DO TO
AMERICANS WHEN, THROUGH NO FAULT
OF THEIR OWN, WE OVERPAY THEM
AND THEN CLAW BACK IN A RATHER

756
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:36,553
THE INJUSTICE THAT WE DO TO
AMERICANS WHEN, THROUGH NO FAULT
OF THEIR OWN, WE OVERPAY THEM
AND THEN CLAW BACK IN A RATHER

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BRUTAL AND SUMMARY WAY 100% OF
THEIR CHECK.
>> SOCIAL SECURITY WILL NOW
WITHHOLD NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE

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BRUTAL AND SUMMARY WAY 100% OF
THEIR CHECK.
>> SOCIAL SECURITY WILL NOW
WITHHOLD NO MORE THAN 10% OF THE

759
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MONTHLY PAYMENT AND MAKE IT
EASIER FOR BENEFICIARIES

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00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:54,000
MONTHLY PAYMENT AND MAKE IT
EASIER FOR BENEFICIARIES

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00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:00,000
MONTHLY PAYMENT AND MAKE IT
EASIER FOR BENEFICIARIES

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00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,000
MONTHLY PAYMENT AND MAKE IT
EASIER FOR BENEFICIARIES

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MONTHLY PAYMENT AND MAKE IT
EASIER FOR BENEFICIARIES