1 00:00:16,516 --> 00:00:26,493 >>> TONIGHT, THE PRESIDENT OF UKRAINE TELLS "60 MINUTES" ABOUT HIS DESPERATE FIGHT WITH RUSSIA, PREVENTING WORLD WAR III AND WHY 2 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:50,216 HIS PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST SO MUCH WILL NEVER DEAL WITH PUTIN. >>> YOU THINK AMERICA'S THE ONLY DEMPSEY 3 00:00:50,283 --> 00:00:57,524 DEMOCRACY IN THE WORLD WITH A PROBLEM? THIS IS ISRAEL. AND FOR MONTHS NOW, THERE HAVE 4 00:00:57,590 --> 00:01:05,265 BEEN THESE MASSIVE PROTESTS AGAINST PRIME MINISTER NETANYAHU AND HIS GOVERNMENT. >> YOU WANT TO MAKE THOSE 5 00:01:05,331 --> 00:01:10,203 ELECTED OFFICIALS UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS WRONG. YOU WANT TO WAKE UP AND SHAKE UP 6 00:01:10,270 --> 00:01:19,012 PEOPLE. AND YOU DON'T DO THAT BY BEING NICE. >>> DEION SANDERS WAS JUST ABOUT 7 00:01:19,078 --> 00:01:25,819 FASTER THAN EVERYONE. BUT THE SPEED AT WHICH HE'S TRANSFORMING COLLEGE FOOTBALL, WELL, THAT NEEDED TO BE 8 00:01:25,885 --> 00:01:34,093 DOCUMENTED BY "60 MINUTES." >> WHO'S THE BEST COACH IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL TODAY? >> LET ME SEE A MIRROR SO I CAN 9 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:42,202 SEE THAT. >> YOU FEEL THAT? >> YOU THINK I'M GOING TO SIT UP HERE AND TELL YOU SOMEBODY ELSE? 10 00:01:42,268 --> 00:01:45,972 YOU THINK THAT'S THE WAY I OPERATE? THAT SOMEBODY ELSE GOT THAT ON ME? 11 00:01:46,039 --> 00:01:55,381 >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. 12 00:01:55,448 --> 00:02:04,057 THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON THE 56th SEASON 13 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:13,566 >>> TONIGHT, SCOTT PELLEY REPORTS FROM UKRAINE WHERE HE SAT DOWN WITH PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY IN THE 14 00:02:13,633 --> 00:02:24,777 CAPITAL, KYIV. >> WE MET PRESIDENT ZELENSKYY AS HE PREPARED TO DEPART KYIV FOR THE UNITED STATES. 15 00:02:24,844 --> 00:02:32,685 THIS WEEK, HE WILL SPEAK AT THE U.N. AND MEET PRESIDENT BIDEN. IT IS A CRITICAL TIME. U.S. OFFICIALS TELL US THAT OVER 16 00:02:32,752 --> 00:02:41,494 NEARLY 600 DAYS, ALMOST HALF A MILLION TROOPS HAVE BEEN KILLED OR WOUNDED—BOTH SIDES, ALL TOGETHER—PART OF THE COST, SO 17 00:02:41,561 --> 00:02:52,238 FAR, OF VLADIMIR PUTIN'S UNPROVOKED INVASION. WE SPOKE TO ZELENSKYY ON THURSDAY. 18 00:02:52,305 --> 00:03:03,049 HE TOLD US THAT HIS PEOPLE ARE DYING EVERY DAY TO PREVENT WORLD WAR III. >> Translator: 19 00:03:03,116 --> 00:03:05,885 WE'RE DEFENDING THE VALUES OF THE WHOLE WORLD. ZELENSKYY SAID. AND THESE ARE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING THE HIGHEST 20 00:03:05,952 --> 00:03:16,863 PRICE. WE ARE TRULY FIGHTING FOR OUR FREEDOM, WE ARE DYING. WE ARE NOT FICTION, WE ARE NOT A 21 00:03:16,930 --> 00:03:25,171 BOOK. WE ARE FIGHTING FOR REAL WITH A NUCLEAR STATE THAT THREATENS TO DESTROY THE WORLD. 22 00:03:25,238 --> 00:03:37,050 >> THE UNITED STATES HAS CONTRIBUTED ABOUT 70 BILLION DOLLARS TO YOUR WAR EFFORT, AND I WONDER IF YOU EXPECT THAT 23 00:03:37,116 --> 00:03:44,190 LEVEL OF SUPPORT TO CONTINUE? [SPEAKING IN A GLOBAL LANGUAGE] >> Translator: THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 24 00:03:44,257 --> 00:03:49,028 [IS] SUPPORTING UKRAINE FINANCIALLY AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR THIS. I JUST THINK THEY'RE NOT 25 00:03:49,095 --> 00:03:56,769 SUPPORTING ONLY UKRAINE ALONE. IF UKRAINE FALLS, PUTIN WILL SURELY GO FURTHER. WHAT WILL THE UNITED STATES OF 26 00:03:56,836 --> 00:04:01,574 AMERICA DO WHEN PUTIN REACHES THE BALTIC STATES? WHEN HE REACHES THE POLISH BORDER? 27 00:04:01,641 --> 00:04:08,548 HE WILL. THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY. WE HAVE A LOT OF GRATITUDE. WHAT ELSE MUST UKRAINE DO FOR 28 00:04:08,615 --> 00:04:19,459 EVERYONE TO MEASURE OUR HUGE GRATITUDE? WE ARE DYING IN THIS WAR. LOOK, IF UKRAINE FALLS, WHAT 29 00:04:19,525 --> 00:04:30,069 WILL HAPPEN IN TEN YEARS? JUST THINK ABOUT IT. IF THE RUSSIANS REACH POLAND, WHAT'S NEXT? 30 00:04:30,136 --> 00:04:37,210 A THIRD WORLD WAR? >> WHAT WILL IT TAKE? ANOTHER 70 BILLION? >> Translator: 31 00:04:37,276 --> 00:04:42,348 I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER. THE WHOLE WORLD [HAS TO] DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO STOP PUTIN, OR WHETHER WE WANT TO START THE 32 00:04:42,415 --> 00:04:52,558 BEGINNING OF A WORLD WAR. WE CAN'T CHANGE PUTIN. RUSSIAN SOCIETY HAS LOST THE RESPECT OF THE WORLD. 33 00:04:52,625 --> 00:05:00,366 THEY ELECTED HIM, AND RE-ELECTED, HIM AND RAISED A SECOND HITLER. THEY DID THIS. 34 00:05:00,433 --> 00:05:14,814 WE CANNOT GO BACK IN TIME. BUT WE CAN STOP IT HERE. UKRAINE STOPPED THE RUSSIAN ADVANCE BUT AT A TERRIBLE COST 35 00:05:14,881 --> 00:05:18,217 --RUINED CITIES, MILLIONS OF REFUGEES--UNTOLD THOUSANDS OF DEAD—ALL FOR VLADIMIR PUTIN'S NATION-BUILDING VANITY. 36 00:05:18,284 --> 00:05:25,558 TODAY THE WAR IS FOUGHT ON A 700 MILE FRONT. THE RED AREA IS THE 20 PERCENT OF UKRAINE STILL OCCUPIED BY 37 00:05:25,625 --> 00:05:36,903 RUSSIA. THIS IS WHERE WESTERN-DONATED TANKS WERE SUPPOSED TO PUNCH THROUGH CUTTING THE RUSSIAN 38 00:05:36,969 --> 00:05:40,973 FORCE IN HALF. BUT TRENCHES, MINEFIELDS AND ARTILLERY STOPPED THE ARMORED ADVANCE. 39 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:54,987 NOW, IT'S AN ARTILLERY DUEL WITH EACH SIDE FIRING ABOUT 40-THOUSAND SHELLS A DAY. UKRAINIAN INFANTRY IS ADVANCING 40 00:05:55,054 --> 00:06:08,101 BLOODY YARDS AT A TIME. IT'S WORLD WAR I WITH DRONES. >> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THE FIGHTING AT THE FRONT? 41 00:06:08,167 --> 00:06:13,272 >> Translator: IT'S A DIFFICULT QUESTION. I WILL BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU. 42 00:06:13,339 --> 00:06:20,113 WE HAVE THE INITIATIVE. THIS IS A PLUS. WE STOPPED THE RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE AND WE MOVED INTO A 43 00:06:20,179 --> 00:06:28,287 COUNTER-OFFENSIVE. DESPITE THAT, IT'S NOT VERY FAST. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE 44 00:06:28,354 --> 00:06:34,393 MOVING FORWARD EVERY DAY AND LIBERATING TERRITORY. >> YOU HAVE ABOUT SIX WEEKS OF GOOD WEATHER LEFT, AND I WONDER, 45 00:06:34,460 --> 00:06:42,101 AFTER THAT POINT WILL THE FRONT BE FROZEN IN PLACE? >> Translator: WE NEED TO LIBERATE OUR 46 00:06:42,168 --> 00:07:10,463 TERRITORY AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND MOVE FORWARD, EVEN IF IT'S LESS THAN HALF A MILE OR A HUNDRED YARDS. 47 00:07:10,530 --> 00:07:14,667 WE MUST DO IT. WE CAN'T LOSE TIME. FORGET ABOUT THE WEATHER, AND THE LIKE. 48 00:07:14,734 --> 00:07:17,170 IN PLACES THAT WE CAN'T GET THROUGH IN AN ARMORED VEHICLE - LET'S FLY. IF WE CAN'T FLY - LET'S SEND 49 00:07:17,236 --> 00:07:29,081 DRONES. WE MUSTN'T GIVE PUTIN A BREAK. IF THE FRONT IS STATIONARY, KRAINIAN DRONES HAVE VAULTED 50 00:07:29,148 --> 00:07:31,818 INTO RUSSIA ITSELF, HITTING THE KREMLIN, WARPLANES, AND MOSCOW HIGH RISES. OFFICIALLY, UKRAINE DOES NOT 51 00:07:31,884 --> 00:07:38,925 ACKNOWLEDGE THESE ATTACKS. >> THE DRONE STRIKES IN RUSSIA ARE BEING DONE ON YOUR ORDERS? >> Translator: 52 00:07:38,991 --> 00:07:53,706 NO. >> NOT ON YOUR ORDERS? >> Translator: WELL, YOU KNOW 53 00:07:53,773 --> 00:07:57,443 >> HOW WAS IT HAPPENING? >> Translator: YOU KNOW WE DON'T SHOOT AT THE TERRITORY OF THE RUSSIAN 54 00:07:57,510 --> 00:08:01,113 FEDERATION. WE DECIDED TO TRY THE QUESTION ANOTHER WAY. >> WHAT MESSAGE IS BEING SENT 55 00:08:01,180 --> 00:08:05,718 WITH THESE DRONE STRIKES IN RUSSIA? >> Translator: YOU DO KNOW THAT WE USE OUR 56 00:08:05,785 --> 00:08:08,554 PARTNERS' WEAPONS ON THE TERRITORY OF UKRAINE ONLY. AND THIS IS TRUE. BUT THESE ARE NOT PUNITIVE OPERATIONS, SUCH AS 57 00:08:08,621 --> 00:08:11,924 THEY CARRY OUT KILLING CIVILIANS. BUT RUSSIA NEEDS TO KNOW THAT WHEREVER IT IS, WHICHEVER PLACE 58 00:08:11,991 --> 00:08:15,294 THEY USE FOR LAUNCHING MISSILES TO STRIKE UKRAINE, UKRAINE HAS EVERY MORAL RIGHT TO SEND A RESPONSE TO THOSE PLCES. 59 00:08:15,361 --> 00:08:31,310 WE ARE RESPONDING TO THEM SAYING: “YOUR SKY IS NOT AS WELL LAST WINTER, IT WAS UKRAINIAN SKIES THAT WERE FILLED WITH 60 00:08:31,377 --> 00:08:35,648 MISSILES IN A RUSSIAN BOMBARDMENT TO DESTROY POWERPLANTS. MILLIONS SHIVERED IN THE DARK. 61 00:08:35,715 --> 00:08:45,391 WITH WINTER APPROACHING AGAIN, ZELENSKYY HAD THIS WARNING. >> Translator: THEY MUST KNOW IF YOU CUT OFF 62 00:08:45,458 --> 00:08:59,005 OUR POWER, DEPRIVE US OF ELECTRICITY, DEPRIVE US OF WATER, DEPRIVE US OF GASOLINE YOU NEED TO KNOW WE HAVE THE 63 00:08:59,071 --> 00:09:10,283 RIGHT TO DO IT TO YOU. SERIOUSLY NOW BECAUSE PUTIN'S MASS INVASION WAS A FIASCO. THE RED MARKS WHERE UKRAINE 64 00:09:10,349 --> 00:09:16,155 STOPPED RUSSIA'S ADVANCE LAST YEAR. IT ALSO MARKS THE STAIN OF RUSSIA'S WAR CRIMES. 65 00:09:16,222 --> 00:09:29,168 >> MR. PRESIDENT, IN TRAVELLING AROUND UKRAINE FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, WE SPOKE TO PEOPLE IN BOMBED-OUT SCHOOLS IN 66 00:09:29,235 --> 00:09:33,272 CHERNIHIV, WE'VE SEEN DESTROYED APARTMENT BLOCKS IN BORODYANKA, A BOMBED HOSPITAL IN IZIUM, CIVILIANS IN A MASS GRAVE IN 67 00:09:33,339 --> 00:09:52,425 BUCHA. THESE ARE NOT MILITARY TARGETS. WHAT IS VLADIMIR PUTIN TRYING TO DO? 68 00:09:52,491 --> 00:09:55,594 >> Translator: TO BREAK US. AND BY CHOOSING CIVILIAN TARGETS, PUTIN WANTED TO ACHIEVE 69 00:09:55,661 --> 00:10:03,769 EXACTLY THIS - TO BREAK [US]. THIS PERSON WHO HAS MADE HIS WAY WITH SUCH BLOODY ACTIONS, WITH EVERYTHING HE HAS SAID, CANNOT 70 00:10:03,836 --> 00:10:12,945 BE TRUSTED. THERE IS NO TRUST IN SUCH A PERSON BECAUSE HE HAS NOT BEEN A HUMAN BEING FOR A LONG TIME. 71 00:10:13,012 --> 00:10:23,289 >> THE RUSSIANS HAVE SUFFERED GRIEVOUS LOSSES WITHOUT RESORTING TO NUCLEAR WEAPONS, AND I WONDER IF YOU BELIEVE THAT 72 00:10:23,356 --> 00:10:30,329 THE THREAT OF NUCLEAR WAR IS NOW BEHIND US. >> Translator: I THINK HE'S GOING TO CONTINUE 73 00:10:30,396 --> 00:10:37,603 THREATENING. HE IS WAITING FOR THE UNITED STATES TO BECOME LESS STABLE. HE THINKS THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN 74 00:10:37,670 --> 00:10:49,181 DURING THE U.S. ELECTION. HE WILL BE LOOKING FOR INSTABILITY IN EUROPE AND THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 75 00:10:49,248 --> 00:10:56,255 HE WILL USE THE RISK OF USING NUCLEAR WEAPONS TO FUEL THAT INSTABILITY. HE WILL KEEP ON THREATENING. 76 00:10:56,322 --> 00:11:08,167 THAT U.S. ELECTION HE MENTIONED WORRIES HIM. HIS NEGOTIATIONS WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN HAVE BEEN CONTENTIOUS AT 77 00:11:08,234 --> 00:11:11,837 TIMES. BUT ZELENSKYY TENDS TO GET WHAT HE ASKS FOR-- EVEN IF, IN ZELENSKYY'S OPINION, IT'S 78 00:11:11,904 --> 00:11:18,911 GENERALLY, SIX MONTHS TOO LATE. THIS WEEK, ZELENSKYY WILL PRESS MR. BIDEN FOR MISSILES WITH LONGER RANGE. 79 00:11:18,978 --> 00:11:28,921 CONGRESS IS DEBATING ANOTHER 24 BILLION DOLLAR PACKAGE. >> Translator: AND IF UKRAINE HAD ENOUGH OF 80 00:11:28,988 --> 00:11:33,025 THESE MODERN SYSTEMS, WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY RESTORED THE TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF UKRAINE. 81 00:11:33,092 --> 00:11:47,339 WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE THAT. THESE SYSTEMS EXIST. >> ARE YOU SAFE HERE? WE FIRST MET ZELENSKYY NOT LONG 82 00:11:47,406 --> 00:11:55,681 AFTER THE INVASION WHEN HIS OFFICE WAS A BLACKED-OUT BUNKER. NOW A YEAR AND A HALF LATER, WE NOTICED A DIFFERENCE. 83 00:11:55,748 --> 00:12:00,453 AS WE WERE SETTING UP THE INTERVIEW, THE FORMER ACTOR USED HIS TALENT TO MASK THE STRAIN. HE SMILED AT A COMPLIMENT TO HIS 84 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:15,901 WIFE. >> YEAH, SO GREAT. >> AND THEN INSTANTLY, HE SEEMED PULLED BENEATH A DEPTH 85 00:12:15,968 --> 00:12:25,678 NO ONE CAN KNOW—WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS THINKING-- IT LOOKED LIKE EMPATHY--- FOR THE LOST AND FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT BE SAVED. 86 00:12:25,744 --> 00:12:38,757 >> OUR TIME WITH ZELENSKYY BEGAN IN SILENCE, A REMEMBRANCE OF THE FALLEN DURING A CEREMONY TO AWARD MEDALS OF VALOR. 87 00:12:38,824 --> 00:12:48,400 UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS TELL US UKRAINE AND RUSSIA HAVE LOST THEIR PROFESSIONAL ARMIES. NOW THE FORCES ARE MADE UP OF 88 00:12:48,467 --> 00:12:56,041 VOLUNTEERS, DRAFTEES, AND, IN RUSSIA'S CASE, PRISON INMATES. ZELENSKYY COUNTS HIS DEAD IN CASUALTY REPORTS EACH MORNING. 89 00:12:56,108 --> 00:13:04,216 >> YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT, BUT IT MUST BE HUMBLING TO MEET THOSE MEN. I WONDER WHAT THEY MEAN TO YOU? 90 00:13:04,283 --> 00:13:12,925 >> Translator: FIRST OF ALL, IT IS A GREAT HONOR FOR ME. I LOOK INTO THEIR EYES, AND IT 91 00:13:12,992 --> 00:13:28,140 MAKES ME PROUD THAT WE HAVE SUCH STRONG PEOPLE BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG RISK, A BIG RISK, YOU CAN DEFINITELY LOSE YOUR LIFE FOR 92 00:13:28,207 --> 00:13:41,887 THE SAKE OF SAVING OTHER LIVES. AND WHEN I SAY, “OTHER LIVES”, I DON'T SPEAK IN GENERAL, I MEAN MY OWN LIFE, THE LIVES OF MY 93 00:13:41,954 --> 00:13:45,724 CHILDREN AND I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY WHAT RISKS ARE INVOLVED. THAT EMPATHY FOR LIFE, HAS 94 00:13:45,791 --> 00:13:49,929 VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY REACHING OUT, AGAIN, TO THE UNITED NATIONS AND THE UNITED STATES HOPING TO CONVINCE THE ALLIES 95 00:13:49,995 --> 00:13:58,604 THAT THE WORLD CAN BE SAFE ONLY WHEN UKRAINE IS WHOLE. >> CAN YOU GIVE UP ANY PART OF UKRAINE FOR PEACE? 96 00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:10,115 >> Translator: NO. THIS IS OUR TERRITORY. >> YOU MUST HAVE IT ALL? INCLUDING CRIMEA? 97 00:14:10,182 --> 00:14:31,570 >> Translator: TODAY YOU AND I, YOU SAID IT TO ME, YOU SAW ME AWARDING PEOPLE MEDALS. 98 00:14:31,637 --> 00:14:41,614 WELL, TODAY IS A DAY LIKE THAT. A WEEK AGO, I GAVE AWARDS TO PARENTS OF SOLDIERS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED. 99 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,818 THERE WERE 24 FAMILIES OF THE DEAD. THERE WAS A WOMAN. SHE WAS WITH THREE CHILDREN. 100 00:14:45,884 --> 00:14:48,687 THERE WERE PARENTS, VERY OLD. THEY COULD BARELY WALK AND THEY HAD HAD ONLY ONE SON. ONE OF THE WOMEN WAS PREGNANT. 101 00:14:48,754 --> 00:14:59,131 SHE ARRIVED HOLDING A BABY IN HER ARMS. AND SHE WAS PREGNANT. AND THAT BABY WILL NEVER SEE, WHAT SHOULD I TELL THEM? THAT 102 00:14:59,198 --> 00:15:09,108 ALL OF THEM DIED SO THAT WE COULD SAY, “IT'S OKAY, RUSSIA YOU CAN TAKE IT ALL.” IT'S A DIFFICULT JOB. 103 00:15:09,174 --> 00:15:12,344 YOU UNDERSTAND ME, RIGHT? GIVING AWARDS TO PEOPLE WHOSE FACES SHOW THEIR WHOLE WORLD HAS COLLAPSED. 104 00:15:12,411 --> 00:15:14,613 AND ALL I CAN GIVE THEM, ALL I CAN GIVE THEM - IS VICTORY. 105 00:15:19,285 --> 00:15:33,966 >> HEAR MORE FROM SCOTT >>> ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU IS HEADING TO THE UNITED STATES - WITH PLANS 106 00:15:34,033 --> 00:15:42,941 TO MEET PRESIDENT BIDEN AT THE UN GENERAL ASSEMBLY THIS WEEK, AS HIS COUNTRY FACES PERHAPS ITS WORST DOMESTIC CRISIS EVER. AND 107 00:15:43,008 --> 00:15:52,051 IT'S NOT ABOUT THE PALESTINIAN CONFLICT: IT'S ABOUT ISRAELIS FIGHTING ISRAELIS. MASSIVE NUMBERS HAVE POURED INTO 108 00:15:52,117 --> 00:16:04,797 THE STREETS TO PROTEST THE NETANYAHU COALITION, ISRAEL'S MOST FAR-RIGHT GOVERNMENT EVER, AND ITS MOVE TO WEAKEN THE COURT 109 00:16:04,863 --> 00:16:09,835 SYSTEM. THE JUDICIAL OVERHAUL IS SEEN AS SO RADICAL PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS URGED NETANYAHU TO WALK AWAY 110 00:16:09,902 --> 00:16:25,651 FROM THIS; TELLING HIM ON THE PHONE TO UPHOLD OUR QUOTE “SHARED DEMOCRATIC VALUES.” THIS IS WHAT UP TO 111 00:16:25,718 --> 00:16:33,225 TWO-HUNDRED-THOUSAND ISRAELIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE DONE EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT FOR OVER 8 MONTHS. 112 00:16:33,292 --> 00:16:43,736 THIS PACKED PROTEST IS IN TEL AVIV. SOME NIGHTS HAVE TURNED VIOLENT WITH POLICE CLASHES, COUNTER 113 00:16:43,802 --> 00:16:48,774 PROTESTS, AND CARS RAMMING INTO THE CROWDS. IT CAN FEEL LIKE THE COUNTRY IS UNRAVELING. 114 00:16:48,841 --> 00:17:00,853 THE PROTESTS WERE TRIGGERED BY THE GOVERNMENT'S JUDICIAL INITIATIVE TO SAP THE SUPREME COURT OF MUCH OF ITS POWER. 115 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:04,390 A WIDE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY SEES WEAKENING THE COURT AS A POWER-GRAB, SINCE IT IS THE ONLY CHECK IN ISRAEL ON THE 116 00:17:04,456 --> 00:17:16,602 GOVERNMENT. >> THIS IS A RED ALERT ON OUR DEMOCRACY! >> PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEVER 117 00:17:16,668 --> 00:17:26,145 DEMONSTRATED IN THEIR LIVES, HAVE POURED INTO THE STREETS -- LIKE EYAL NAVEH. HE LEADS A GROUP OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF 118 00:17:26,211 --> 00:17:40,025 MILITARY RESERVISTS, WHO ARE AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT. THEY CALL THEMSELVES “BROTHERS 119 00:17:40,092 --> 00:17:44,630 AND SISTERS IN ARMS” AS IT SAYS ON THEIR T-SHIRTS. THEY'RE PILOTS, FIGHTERS, INTELLIGENCE OFFICERS, SOME ARE WAR HEROES, 120 00:17:44,696 --> 00:17:56,475 MANY STILL GO ON DANGEROUS MISSIONS. >> AND NOW THE DANGER IS FROM INSIDE. 121 00:17:56,542 --> 00:18:00,813 >> MR >> MORE THAN THE ENEMIES FROM WITHOUT. >> NOW, YES, MUCH MORE. 122 00:18:00,879 --> 00:18:12,424 THIS IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO ISRAEL. >> WE SPOKE TO 3 OF THEM - SHIRA >> I WAS A COMBAT HELICOPTER 123 00:18:12,491 --> 00:18:27,005 PILOT. >> COMMANDER IN THE SPECIAL FORCES. >> AND OMRI RONEN 124 00:18:27,072 --> 00:18:35,247 >> I'M A FORMER OFFICER IN AN ELITE COMMANDO UNITED STATES. WHEN A REGIME A GOVERNMENT WANTS TO GAIN UNLIMITED POWER, PEOPLE 125 00:18:35,314 --> 00:18:43,789 ARE AFRAID, AND THE PEOPLE IN THE STREETS TODAY ARE AFRAID THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING GAIN UNLIMITED POWER. 126 00:18:43,856 --> 00:18:46,525 WITHOUT JUDICIAL REVIEW. >> THEY ALL SERVED UNDER NETANYAHU'S PAST GOVERNMENTS WITHOUT HESITATION BUT FEAR THIS 127 00:18:46,592 --> 00:18:50,596 ONE: A COALITION OF SETTLER EXTREMISTS AND THE ULTRA-ORTHODOX. THE HEAD OF NATIONAL SECURITY 128 00:18:50,662 --> 00:18:56,735 HAS HAD MULTIPLE CONVICTIONS, INCLUDING SUPPORTING TERRORISM AGAINST ARABS. THE FINANCE MINISTER IS A SELF-DESCRIBED 129 00:18:56,802 --> 00:19:05,077 FASCIST HOMOPHOBE. AS FOR NETANYAHU - HE'S IN THE MIDST OF THREE SEPARATE TRIALS ON CHARGES OF CORRUPTION. 130 00:19:05,143 --> 00:19:09,047 THE PROTESTORS SAY THAT LAWS HIS GOVERNMENT HAS INTRODUCED - OVER 200 OF THEM - WOULD NOT ONLY WEAKEN THE COURTS BUT CONTROL 131 00:19:09,114 --> 00:19:25,030 THE PRESS AND DIMINISH INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, AND THAT THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACIES LIKE HUNGARY BECAME AUTOCRATIC. 132 00:19:25,097 --> 00:19:31,670 >> WHAT HAPPENED IN HUNGARY AND POLAND WILL NOT HAPPEN HERE. >> THERE IS A TREND AND IT'S GOING AGAINST YOU AROUND THE 133 00:19:31,737 --> 00:19:38,677 WORLD >> YEAH. >> WE'LL BE THE FIRST TO STOP IT. 134 00:19:38,744 --> 00:19:45,951 >> YOU'RE ALL DETERMINED. >> WE ARE NOT JOKING. WE ARE REALLY -- >> SERIOUS. 135 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:50,656 >> TRYING TO STOP IT. AND WE WILL SUCCEED. >> ONE OF THEIR BIG WORRIES IS THAT WITHOUT A STRONG SUPREME 136 00:19:50,722 --> 00:19:53,692 COURT, THE ULTRA-ORTHODOX BLOC IN THE GOVERNMENT COULD TURN ISRAEL INTO A THEOCRACY, WHERE BIBLICAL LAWS PREVAIL. 137 00:19:53,759 --> 00:19:56,662 >> OUR SUPREME COURT IS OUR LAST LINE OF DEFENSE. AND THIS IS OUR LAST SAFEGUARD. WE NEED THEM EMPOWERED. WE NEED THEM 138 00:19:56,728 --> 00:19:59,531 INDEPENDENT. THAT'S WHAT WE FIGHT FOR. >> WHAT IS AT STAKE FOR WOMEN, SHIRA? 139 00:19:59,598 --> 00:20:02,501 >> THAT WE'LL ALL BE SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE BUS. >> LITERALLY? >> --LITERALLY. 140 00:20:02,568 --> 00:20:15,013 >> ARE YOU MARRIED? >> I'M MARRIED TO A WOMAN, A DOCTOR. WE HAVE A DAUGHTER, SHE'S ONE YEAR AND EIGHT MONTHS. 141 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,084 >> HER FEAR OF AN ASSAULT ON WOMEN'S AND GAY RIGHTS IS WELL-FOUNDED: A GOVERNMENT MEMBER SAID THE GAY COMMUNITY IS 142 00:20:19,151 --> 00:20:26,825 “MORE DANGEROUS THAN ISIS AND HEZBOLLAH.” ANOTHER MAJOR COMPLAINT IS THAT THE ULTRA-ORTHODOX HARDLY PAY 143 00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:35,100 ANY TAXES AND DON'T HAVE TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY, WHICH IS COMPULSORY FOR ALL OTHER JEWISH ISRAELIS. 144 00:20:35,167 --> 00:20:43,141 THE SUPREME COURT RULED THAT THAT IS NOT FAIR. BUT DEFYING THE COURT, THE ORTHODOX PLAN TO PASS A LAW IN 145 00:20:43,208 --> 00:20:51,116 THE KNESSET, ISRAEL'S PARLIAMENT, THAT WOULD TURN THEIR UNOFFICIAL MILITARY EXEMPTION INTO AN IRONCLAD LAW. 146 00:20:51,183 --> 00:21:03,395 >> THEY WANT A LAW THAT THEY WILL NOT GO TO THE ARMY. MY 15-YEARS-OLD, IN THREE YEARS HE WILL GO TO THE ARMY. 147 00:21:03,462 --> 00:21:06,932 I'M GONNA NOT SLEEP, LIKE, THREE YEARS. AND THE OTHER FATHER THE ULTRA-ORTHODOX FATHER, WILL SLEEP ALL THE TIME. 148 00:21:06,999 --> 00:21:18,443 >> EYAL NAVEH, FATHER OF 6, IS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, HE'S WORKING AT BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ARMS ROUND THE CLOCK. 149 00:21:18,510 --> 00:21:27,119 HE AND RON SERVED TOGETHER IN ISRAEL'S MOST FAMOUS COMMANDO UNIT, LIKE THE GREEN BERETS, CALLED SAYERET MATKAL. 150 00:21:27,185 --> 00:21:33,225 THEY'RE USING THEIR MILITARY SKILLS TO LEAD A CAMPAIGN OF CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AND HARASSMENT, INCLUDING AT THE 151 00:21:33,291 --> 00:21:48,440 HOMES OF KNESSET MEMBERS TO PRESSURE THEM TO VOTE DOWN THE JUDICIAL OVERHAUL. >> YOU WANT TO MAKE THOSE 152 00:21:48,507 --> 00:21:52,244 ELECTED OFFICIALS UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS WRONG. YOU WANT TO WAKE UP AND SHAKE UP PEOPLE. AND YOU DON'T 153 00:21:52,310 --> 00:22:00,919 DO THAT BY BEING NICE. >> THAT MEANS FORMING HUMAN CHAINS IN FRONT OF THE DEFENSE MINISTRY. 154 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:07,759 THEY BLOCK MAJOR TRAFFIC ARTERIES. THEIR BARRICADE OF THE KNESSET BROUGHT OUT POLICE WATER CANNONS. 155 00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:16,968 MEMBERS, INCLUDING RON, HAVE BEEN ARRESTED AND INTERROGATED. HERE THEY'RE SURROUNDING THE CAR OF JUSTICE MINISTER AND VICE 156 00:22:17,035 --> 00:22:25,544 PRIME MINISTER YARIV LEVIN, THE ARCHITECT OF THE CONTROVERSIAL JUDICIAL OVERHAUL. THEY WREAK HAVOC OUTSIDE HIS 157 00:22:25,610 --> 00:22:35,020 HOME BY BURNING TIRES AND DISTURBING HIS NEIGHBORS. HE SAYS HE RESPECTS THEIR RIGHT TO PROTEST BUT TO REMEMBER HIS 158 00:22:35,087 --> 00:22:48,467 GOVERNMENT WON THE ELECTION. >> NO DEMOCRACY CAN ACCEPT A SITUATION THAT THE GOVERNMENT, THE ELECTED GOVERNMENT THAT HAS 159 00:22:48,533 --> 00:23:06,418 A MAJORITY IN THE PARLIAMENT, WON'T BE ABLE TO PASS ANY BILL AND TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THERE ARE PROTESTS, BECAUSE THERE ARE 160 00:23:06,485 --> 00:23:10,522 ARE PROTESTS, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST IT. >> YOU SAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO FEAR THAT THERE WON'T BE EQUAL 161 00:23:10,589 --> 00:23:25,837 RIGHTS FOR EVERYBODY ARE COMPLETELY MISTAKEN AND THEIR CHARGES ARE BASELESS. HOWEVER, YOU ARE PART OF THE MOST RIGHT 162 00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:29,508 WING GOVERNMENT THAT ISRAEL HAS EVER HAD. >> I'M PROUD TO BE PART OF THAT GOVERNMENT, AND I THINK THAT'S 163 00:23:29,574 --> 00:23:48,660 WHAT ISRAELIS WANTED TO SEE. >> BUT YOU HAVE PEOPLE IN YOUR CABINET WHO HAVE MADE OPENLY RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC 164 00:23:48,727 --> 00:23:52,998 STATEMENTS, AND THEY'RE MINISTERS. >> I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS OF 165 00:23:53,064 --> 00:23:55,634 PARLIAMENT THAT SUPPORT THIS GOVERNMENT STAND FIRMLY BEHIND DEMOCRATIC AND LIBERAL PRINCIPLES. 166 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:58,603 >> BUT UNDER YOUR RULES, IF THEY ALL PASS -- THE GOVERNMENT COULD OVERRULE THE COURT. AM I WRONG? >> THIS IS NOT MY-- WHAT I'M 167 00:23:58,670 --> 00:24:01,940 OFFERING. THE SITUATION IN ISRAEL IS THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS ABOVE THE GOVERNMENT, IS ABOVE THE PARLIAMENT, IS EVEN 168 00:24:02,007 --> 00:24:05,310 ABOVE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TO BALANCE IT. >> HE SAYS THE COURT IS AN ELITE 169 00:24:05,377 --> 00:24:17,622 BASTION THAT TOO OFTEN OVERRULES LAWMAKERS CHOSEN BY THE PEOPLE. THE FIGHT OVER THE COURT HAS BROUGHT THE COUNTRY TO A COLD 170 00:24:17,689 --> 00:24:23,061 CIVIL WAR. IN JULY, THE FIRST STEP OF LEVIN'S JUDICIAL OVERHAUL PASSED, SEVERELY LIMITING THE 171 00:24:23,128 --> 00:24:30,268 COURT'S POWER TO STRIKE DOWN GOVERNMENT DECISIONS. SOME TEN-THOUSAND MILITARY RESERVISTS WERE SO UPSET, THEY 172 00:24:30,335 --> 00:24:36,842 PLEDGED TO STOP SHOWING UP FOR DUTY. SOME OF NETANYAHU'S ALLIES SUGGESTED THEY SHOULD BE TRIED, 173 00:24:36,908 --> 00:24:51,122 EVEN EXECUTED. >> IF YOU WANT PILOTS TO BE ABLE TO FLY AND SHOOT BOMBS AND MISSILES INTO HOUSES KNOWING 174 00:24:51,189 --> 00:25:06,037 THEY MIGHT BE KILLING CHILDREN, THEY MUST HAVE THE STRONGEST CONFIDENCE IN THE PEOPLE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS. 175 00:25:06,104 --> 00:25:10,675 >> IN THE MORAL VALUES OF THEM. >> EXACTLY. >> WHEN THEY MADE THEIR DECISION, MANY BROTHERS AND 176 00:25:10,742 --> 00:25:23,021 SISTERS IN ARMS CAME TO TEARS. >> IT WAS THE HARDEST THINGS TO DO. WHEN YOU ARE IN YOUR DNA A SOLDIER, THIS IS WHAT I DO, 25 177 00:25:23,088 --> 00:25:34,566 YEARS, IT'S IN MY BLOOD. IT'S LIKE TO CUT A HAND. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT YOU, YOUR GROUP, THAT 178 00:25:34,633 --> 00:25:48,280 YOU'RE UNPATRIOTIC AND THAT YOU'RE TRAITORS. >> THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT. I AM A PATRIOT. EVERY YEAR 179 00:25:48,346 --> 00:25:52,083 I GO TO RESERVE AND SERVE. I LEAVE THE HOUSE, I LEAVE MY CHILDREN, I LEAVE MY WIFE, I LEAVE EVERYONE TO SERVE. MY 180 00:25:52,150 --> 00:25:56,288 FRIENDS DIED FOR THIS COUNTRY. >> THE MILITARY HAS WARNED THAT LOSING SO MANY PILOTS, AND HIGH-RANKING RESERVISTS COULD 181 00:25:56,354 --> 00:26:02,127 JEOPARDIZE READINESS AND HURT NATIONAL SECURITY. BUT SEVERAL FORMER HEADS OF THE MILITARY AND MOSSAD SUPPORT THE 182 00:26:02,193 --> 00:26:12,837 PROTEST AND BLAME THE GOVERNMENT FOR ALLOWING THE SITUATION TO COME TO THIS. >> IF YOU DID FIND OUT THAT 183 00:26:12,904 --> 00:26:27,285 ISRAEL WAS AT RISK BECAUSE OF SO MANY RESERVISTS LEAVING, WOULD YOU STEP BACK AND WITHDRAW YOUR PROPOSALS? 184 00:26:27,352 --> 00:26:30,288 >> WHAT'S THE PRICE OF DEMOCRACY? WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING ME TO DO? WE'LL TELL THE ISRAEL CITIZENS, "OKAY, 185 00:26:30,355 --> 00:26:51,376 DON'T GO TO VOTE. THERE'S NO NEED TO HOLD ELECTIONS." WE'LL COME TO THOSE EX-MILITARISTS AND WILL ASK THEM 186 00:26:51,443 --> 00:27:00,352 WHAT WE ARE ALLOWED TO DO OR NOT. ONE ISSUE RARELY MENTIONED BY THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ARMS 187 00:27:00,418 --> 00:27:12,697 IS THE ISRAELI OCCUPATION OF THE WEST BANK. >> IF YOU DON'T INCLUDE PALESTINIAN RIGHTS AS PART OF 188 00:27:12,764 --> 00:27:24,609 WHAT YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR, THEN HOW CAN YOU SAY YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY? >> MANY ISRAELIS HAVE DIFFERENT 189 00:27:24,676 --> 00:27:28,046 OPINIONS ON THE PALESTINIAN CONFLICT. AND IT'S A VERY DIVIDING ISSUE. >> SO, YOUR COALITION WOULD 190 00:27:28,113 --> 00:27:38,156 SPLINTER? THE PROTEST COALITION-- >> THE -- YEAH, IF YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE OCCUPATION ONE 191 00:27:38,223 --> 00:27:41,159 DAY, AND I THINK THAT EVERYONE HERE DOES, THE ONLY WAY TO STOP IT AND TO SOLVE IT IS TO MAKE SURE ISRAEL REMAINS A DEMOCRACY. 192 00:27:41,226 --> 00:27:44,662 >> THIS PAST WEEK THE SUPREME COURT HELD A HEARING TO DECIDE WHETHER TO REVOKE THE FIRST STEP OF LEVIN'S JUDICIAL PACKAGE. IF 193 00:27:44,729 --> 00:27:48,166 THE COURT DOES, NETANYAHU WON'T SAY WHETHER HE WILL COMPLY. IF HE DOESN'T, IT WOULD LEAD TO AN UNPRECEDENTED CRISIS, LEAVING IT 194 00:27:48,233 --> 00:27:54,406 UP TO THE MILITARY, THE POLICE AND THE CITIZENS TO DECIDE WHOSE ORDERS TO FOLLOW: THE COURT'S OR THE ELECTED OFFICIALS'. 195 00:27:54,472 --> 00:28:08,319 BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN ARMS SAYS IT'S RED ALERT FOR ISRAEL'S FUTURE: WITH DEMOCRACY AT STAKE >> BUT YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF 196 00:28:08,386 --> 00:28:21,366 DEMOCRACY YOU CAN'T FORGET THIS IS A GOVERNMENT THAT WAS VOTED IN BY THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL. AND THAT'S DEMOCRACY. 197 00:28:21,433 --> 00:28:24,469 >> EVERY DEMOCRACY THAT TURNED INTO A DICTATORSHIP WAS ELECTED IN A DEMOCRATIC WAY. THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACIES TURN INTO 198 00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:37,115 DICTATORSHIPS-- 199 00:28:42,187 --> 00:28:49,594 >>> CONVENTIONALLY, 60 MINUTES DOESN'T PROFILE THE SAME SUBJECT TWICE IN TWO SEASONS. BUT CONVENTION DOESN'T INTERSECT 200 00:28:49,661 --> 00:28:55,500 WITH PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAMER DEION SANDERS. LAST FALL, WE MET SANDERS IN MISSISSIPPI, WHERE HE WAS 201 00:28:55,567 --> 00:29:03,608 COACHING JACKSON STATE TO PROMINENCE IN A CONFERENCE OF HISTORICALLY BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES. 202 00:29:03,675 --> 00:29:14,185 THEN THE MAN WHO CALLS HIMSELF COACH PRIME HIGH-STEPPED IT TO BOULDER, TO THE UNIVERSITY OF COLORADO, TAKING HIS BLAZINGLY 203 00:29:14,252 --> 00:29:17,622 SINGULAR STYLE WITH HIM. THERE, HE HASN'T JUST AWOKEN A DORMANT PROGRAM; BUT HAS TRANSFORMED IT INTO THE TALK OF 204 00:29:17,689 --> 00:29:24,395 COLLEGE FOOTBALL, IF NOT AMERICAN SPORTS, SANDERS IS REVERED. HE IS REVILED. 205 00:29:24,462 --> 00:29:35,840 BUT HIS SUDDEN IMPACT IS INDISPUTABLE. FOR THE SECOND TIME IN TWO RADICALLY DIFFERENT 206 00:29:35,907 --> 00:29:38,943 ENVIRONMENTS, UNAPOLOGETIC AS EVER, HE'S SHAKEN THE SPORT LIKE A SNOWGLOBE. >> ARE YOU THE CHANGE AGENT? ARE 207 00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:54,659 YOU THE ULTIMATE CHANGE AGENT-- >> I-I MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I TRULY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. I MAKE FOLKS NERVOUS, MAN. I GET FOLKS 208 00:29:54,726 --> 00:29:57,595 MOVIN' IN THEIR SEAT. I GET FOLKS TWIDDLIN' THEIR THUMBS. I GET THEM THINKIN' AND SECOND-GUESSIN' THEIRSELF. YOU 209 00:29:57,662 --> 00:30:00,632 KNOW -- HAVE YOU EVER BEEN SO CLEAN THAT YOU WALKED IN, AND SOMEBODY LOOKED DOWN AT YOU, TEN THEY LOOKED AT THEMSELVES? 210 00:30:00,698 --> 00:30:03,201 THEY HAD TO CHECK THEMSELVES BECAUSE YOU WERE SO CLEAN? I HAVE THAT EFFECT. >> THAT'S THE VIBE YOU'RE 211 00:30:03,268 --> 00:30:10,675 GETTIN-- >> NO, I HAVE THAT EFFECT. THAT WAS SOME GOOD GAME RIGHT THERE, BOY. 212 00:30:10,742 --> 00:30:25,056 GOD, THAT WAS GOOD. WE AIN'T GOT NEXT, WE GOT NOW. WE AIN'T COMING NO MO' PLAYERS >> WE HERE, WE HERE, WE HERE, WE 213 00:30:25,123 --> 00:30:33,264 HERE, WE HERE >> THIS WAS THE SCENE IN THE LOCKER ROOM TWO WEEKENDS AGO. >> GIVE ME MY THEME MUSIC. 214 00:30:33,331 --> 00:30:38,269 >> BEFORE THE COLORADO BUFFALOES AND THEIR NEW COACH, DEION SANDERS, OPENED THE SEASON A 21-POINT UNDERDOG, AT TCU. 215 00:30:38,336 --> 00:30:44,275 >> DO YOUR JOB, EVERYBODY DO YOUR JOB. >> COLORADO WAS FRESH OFF A 1-11 SEASON. TCU WAS FRESH FROM 216 00:30:44,342 --> 00:30:51,783 PLAYING IN LAST SEASON'S NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME. WITH SKILL AND WILL, THE BUFFALOES WON 45-42, BEHIND 217 00:30:51,849 --> 00:30:58,990 THEIR STAR QUARTERBACK, SHEDEUR SANDERS. BUT THE REAL FOCUS—AS EVER—WAS ON SHEDEUR'S 56-YEAR-OLD FATHER. 218 00:30:59,057 --> 00:31:08,099 IT WAS HIS FIRST WIN AS COACH OF A POWER FIVE SCHOOL, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL. >> DO YOU FEEL LIKE YOU WERE 219 00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:14,072 UNDERESTIMATED? YOU COME HERE, AND IT'S, "I DON'T KNOW IF COACH PRIME CAN WIN." 220 00:31:14,138 --> 00:31:23,281 YOU MUST HAVE HEARD WHAT SOME OF THESE OTHER COACHES WERE SAYIN', BOTH SECRETLY AND OUT LOUD--- >> THAT'S FEAR. 221 00:31:23,348 --> 00:31:28,486 >> FEAR. >> YEAH, THAT'S FEAR. THAT'S LIKE, "HEY, MAN. SHOOT, WE DON'T WANNA LET THAT ENGINE 222 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:31,356 THAT COULD GET GOIN' BECAUSE IF THAT ENGINE THAT COULD GET GOIN', HE GOIN' START SAYIN', 'I THINK I CAN. I THINK I CAN.' AND 223 00:31:31,422 --> 00:31:34,359 SOONER OR LATER, HE GONNA START SAYIN', 'I KNOW I CAN. I KNOW I CAN.' THEN SOONER OR LATER, HE GONNA START SAYIN', 'I DID 224 00:31:34,425 --> 00:31:45,236 THAT.'" >> HIS COLORADO DEBUT DREW NATIONAL ATTENTION AND MONSTER TV RATINGS. INTEREST COMPOUNDED 225 00:31:45,303 --> 00:31:49,374 LAST WEEKEND, WHEN THE BUFFALOES PLAYED BEFORE THE BIGGEST HOME CROWD IN 15 YEARS AND BEAT RIVAL NEBRASKA. 226 00:31:49,440 --> 00:32:06,624 THIS WEEKEND? BOTH FOX AND ESPN DISPATCHED THEIR PREGAME 227 00:32:08,693 --> 00:32:12,830 PREGAME SHOWS, THE ROCK INCLUDED,TO BOULDER .THEN THE BUFFALOES RALLIED LATE TO BEAT COLORADO STATE IN A DOUBLE 228 00:32:12,897 --> 00:32:15,733 OVERTIME THRILLER. THREE GAMES INTO THE SEASON, THE FOOTHILLS OF THE ROCKIES MARK THE UNLIKELY EPICENTER OF AN ENTIRE SPORT. 229 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:33,384 >> WHAT'S THIS BEEN LIKE FOR YOU? >> IT'S-- IT'S BEEN-- A LOTTA FUN. 230 00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:45,096 >> RICK GEORGE, WHO HIRED COACH PRIME, HAS BEEN COLORADO'S ATHLETIC DIRECTOR FOR A DECADE. >> IT'S GREAT-- FOR US TO BE 231 00:32:45,163 --> 00:32:53,671 ABLE TO BRING THIS PROGRAM BACK TO RELEVANCY. AND WE HAD FAILED IN MY PREVIOUS NINE YEARS-- TEN YEARS. 232 00:32:53,738 --> 00:33:09,420 >> FAIR TO CALL THIS A BIT OF A HAIL MARY? >> IT WASN'T A HAIL MARY, BUT IT WAS A MOMENT IN TIME FOR OUR-- 233 00:33:09,487 --> 00:33:16,728 UNIVERSITY AND OUR ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT THAT WE WERE EITHER GONNA BE RELEVANT OR WE WERE GONNA BE IRRELEVANT. 234 00:33:16,794 --> 00:33:19,297 >> IT'S EARLY TO QUANTIFY THE FULL PRIME EFFECT . BUT MERCHANDISE SALES? UP 819 PERCENT FROM LAST SEASON. 235 00:33:19,364 --> 00:33:22,166 INSTAGRAM FOLLOWERS? UP MORE THAN TENFOLD. SEASON TICKETS? SOLD OUT .SANDERS MIGHT BE THE IDEAL COACH FOR THESE SHIFTING 236 00:33:22,233 --> 00:33:25,069 TIMES IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL..ANOTHER SON, DEION JUNIOR, IS PART OF THE ARMY OF VIDEOGRAPHERS FILMING THE TEAM 237 00:33:25,136 --> 00:33:37,348 NONSTOP FOR YOUTUBE AND AN UPCOMING DOCUSERIES. >> THIS TEAM WON ONE GAME LAST SEASON. 238 00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:44,922 >> UH HUR HUH. >> IS THAT IN A WAY A POINT OF APPEAL? >> GOD WOULDN'T 239 00:33:44,989 --> 00:33:47,759 RELOCATE ME TO SOMETHING THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL. THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE, DO IT? HE HAD TO FIND THE MOST DISAPPOINTING AND THE 240 00:33:47,825 --> 00:33:55,433 MOST-- DIFFICULT TASK. AND THIS IS WHAT IT WAS. AND THIS IS WHAT IT IS. AND I LOVE THAT. >> THIS WASN'T DISSIMILAR TO 241 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:58,636 WHAT HE TOLD US LAST YEAR THAT “GOD HAD CALLED HIM COLLECT” TO COME TO JACKSON STATE UNIVERSITY AND ELEVATE, YES, THE FOOTBALL 242 00:33:58,703 --> 00:34:06,177 PROGRAM BUT ALSO ALL HBCUS HE STAYED THREE SEASONS, BUT THE SAME NIGHT LAST DECEMBER THAT JSU WON THE CONFERENCE 243 00:34:06,244 --> 00:34:17,355 CHAMPIONSHIP, SANDERS ANNOUNCED HE WAS OFF TO COLORADO TO CLIMB ANOTHER MOUNTAIN. YOU LEFT JACKSON STATE, AND YOU 244 00:34:17,422 --> 00:34:26,464 YOU LEFT JACKSON STATE AND YOU LEFT QUICK. WHAT DID YOU TELL THOSE KIDS-- >> NO, I DIDN'T LEAVE QUICK. 245 00:34:26,531 --> 00:34:34,338 >> WHAT DID YOU TELL THOSE KIDS? >> I DIDN'T LEAVE QUICK. >> YOU WERE -- >> I DIDN'T LEAVE 246 00:34:34,405 --> 00:34:48,052 QUICK. I LEFT WHEN I WAS SUPPOSED TO LEAVE. JON WERTHEIM: ALRIGHT DEION >> WE FINISHED. 247 00:34:48,119 --> 00:35:02,767 MOST COACHES GET A NEW JOB AND THEY LEAVE EXPEDITIOUSLY, AND I FINISHED THE TASK. >>YOU SAY FINISHED THE TASK, WAS 248 00:35:02,834 --> 00:35:05,903 THERE-- WAS THERE MORE WORK YOU COULD'VE DONE IN JACKSON, OR-- DEION SANDERS: I THINK WE DID A TREMENDOUS JOB IN JACKSON. I 249 00:35:05,970 --> 00:35:12,677 THINK WE LAID DOWN A TREMENDOUS BLUEPRINT. WE TRIED TO PRESS SANDERS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES SURROUNDING HIS 250 00:35:12,743 --> 00:35:15,613 ABANDONING THE MISSION AT JACKSON STATE HE'S HINTED THE SCHOOL'S LACK OF FORWARD THINKING MAY HAVE FACTORED IN 251 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,316 HIS DECISION. BUT ON THIS TOPIC, HE WAS ABOUT AS ELUSIVE AS HE WAS RETURNING PUNTS FOR TOUCHDOWNS IN THE NFL JON 252 00:35:18,382 --> 00:35:23,754 WERTHEIM: WHAT DID YOU TELL THOSE KIDS WHEN YOU LEFT? >> UM, OPPORTUNITY CALLED. SOONER OR LATER IN LIFE-- THERE 253 00:35:23,821 --> 00:35:26,591 WILL BE OPPORTUNITY THAT KNOCKS AT YOUR DOOR. AND AT THIS JUNCTURE IN MY LIFE, I FELT LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT ONLY ME, 254 00:35:26,657 --> 00:35:29,460 BUT FOR MY KIDS AS WELL, WAS TREMENDOUS. NOT ONLY DID WE TAKE SEVERAL KIDS FROM THAT TEAM, THREE TRAINERS, MAYBE 12 TO 14 255 00:35:29,527 --> 00:35:33,931 STAFFERS. SO WE AFFORDED TO GIVE PEOPLE A TREMENDOUS OPPORTUNITY HERE. >> THE DISTANCE BETWEEN JACKSON 256 00:35:33,998 --> 00:35:36,834 AND BOULDER IS A THOUSAND MILES AND IMMEASURABLY FURTHER CULTURALLY. SANDERS WENT FROM A CITY THAT IS 83 PERCENT BLACK TO 257 00:35:36,901 --> 00:35:39,604 ONE THAT IS ONE PERCENT BLACK .FROM A PLACE WITH A WATER CRISIS; TO THE KIND OF HIPSTER COLLEGE TOWN WHERE THERE'S A 258 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:44,775 SHOP DEVOTED TO KITES. JON WERTHEIM: WHAT ARE YOUR FIRST IMPRESSIONS? >> BEAUTIFUL. UNBELIEVABLE. JUST 259 00:35:44,842 --> 00:35:47,645 THE WHOLE PEACE AND SERENITY OF IT ALL. I HAD NEVER FATHOM COMIN' HERE. I AIN'T EVER EVEN VACATION HERE, MAN. I AIN'T EVER 260 00:35:47,712 --> 00:35:50,581 BEEN SKIIN' OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, SNOWBOARDING OR WHATEVER, ALL THE STUFF. YOU KNOW - I AIN'T NEVER DONE NONE OF THAT. 261 00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:57,722 JON WERTHEIM: YOU DON'T EVEN FLY FISH. >> NO, I DON'T. I FISH, I'M FLY WHILE I FISH, BUT I DON'T 262 00:35:57,788 --> 00:36:05,963 (LAUGHTER) FLY FISH. >> STILL, HE WASTED NO TIME INGRATIATING HIMSELF IN THE COMMUNITY... INCLUDING A VISIT 263 00:36:06,030 --> 00:36:22,513 TO PEGGY COPPOM, A 98-YEAR-OLD BUFFALOES SUPERFAN. >> ARE YOU PRIME? >> THAT'S WHAT THEY CALL ME. 264 00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:36,761 >> DO I CALL YOU THAT OR DEION? >> NO, NO, CALL ME ANYTHING YOU WANT. WE GOOD. DECEMBER, SANDERS ENCOURAGED 265 00:36:36,827 --> 00:36:40,531 PLAYERS TO ENTER THE TRANSFER PORTAL—AN OPEN MARKET FOR ATHLETES TO FIND NEW SCHOOLS— TEAM MEETING NAT: I PROMISE YOU 266 00:36:40,598 --> 00:36:46,404 IT IS MY JOB TO GET RID OF YOU. AND MAKE ROOM FOR SUPERIOR TALENT HE PLANNED TO BRING IN. MORE THAN FIFTY PLAYERS 267 00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:59,750 EVENTUALLY TRANSFERRED OUT. >>YOU GOT HERE, AND YOU DIDN'T PULL PUNCHES. YOU TOLD SOME OF THESE GUYS- DEION SANDERS: HAVE 268 00:36:59,817 --> 00:37:02,687 I EVER? YOU TAKE A TEAM THAT'S WON ONE GAME, AND YOU FIRE THE WHOLE COACHIN' STAFF. SO, WHO DID THE COACHING STAFF RECRUIT? 269 00:37:02,753 --> 00:37:05,556 THE KIDS. SO, THE KIDS ARE JUST AS MUCH TO BLAME AS THE COACHING STAFF. AND I CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT A MULTITUDE OF 270 00:37:05,623 --> 00:37:12,496 THEM COULDN'T HELP US GET TO WHERE WE WANTED TO GO. YOU TOLD MOST OF THESE GUYS "THE MORE YOU JUMP IN, THE MORE ROOM 271 00:37:12,563 --> 00:37:19,170 YOU'RE GONNA MAKE." "THOSE OF YOU WE DON'T RUN OFF, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO MAKE YOU QUIT." >> YEAH. 272 00:37:19,236 --> 00:37:24,809 >> YOU MADE IT VERY CLEAR. >> YEAH, NOW, IF YOU WENT FOR THAT, IF YOU WAS-- WERE ABLE TO LET WORDS RUN YOU OFF, 273 00:37:24,875 --> 00:37:27,545 YOU AIN'T FOR US BECAUSE WE'RE A OLD-SCHOOL STAFF. WE COACH HARD. WE COACH TOUGH. WE'RE DISCIPLIN-- 'NARIANS. SO, IF 274 00:37:27,612 --> 00:37:32,250 YOU'RE-- ALLOWING VERBIAGE TO RUN YOU OFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T FEEL SECURE WITH YOUR ABILITY, YOU AIN'T FOR US. 275 00:37:32,316 --> 00:37:37,588 >> IF SOME KID SAID, "YOU KNOW WHAT? NO. I'M STAYIN'. YOU'RE NOT GONNA RUN ME OFF WITH YOUR WORDS." 276 00:37:37,655 --> 00:37:42,927 >> RIGHT, STAY. >> SO. >> PROVE IT. >> I'M SURE THAT YOUR 277 00:37:42,994 --> 00:37:45,663 STRAIGHT TALK WAS APPRECIATED BY SOME. BUT-- IS THIS SCORCHED-EARTH POLICY GOOD FOR-- FOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL OR FOR THE 278 00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:51,002 KIDS? >> I THINK TRUTH IS GOOD FOR KIDS. WE'RE SO BUSY LYIN', WE DON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE 279 00:37:51,068 --> 00:37:53,804 THE TRUTH NO MORE IN-- IN SOCIETY. WE WANT EVERYBODY TO FEEL GOOD. THAT'S NOT-- THAT'S NOT THE WAY LIFE IS. NOW, IT IS 280 00:37:53,871 --> 00:37:58,643 MY JOB TO MAKE SURE I HAVE WHAT WE NEED TO WIN. THAT MAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE FEEL GOOD. WINNING DOES-- 281 00:37:58,709 --> 00:38:05,449 >> I GOT TO PUSH BACK ON THIS. YOU'RE THE FATHER OF -- >> YES. >> FATHER OF COLLEGE ATHLETES. 282 00:38:05,516 --> 00:38:11,389 >> FIVE, YES. >> IF THEY CALLED YOU AND SAY, "HEY, WE GOT A NEW COACH, AND THEY'RE TELLIN' ME TO 283 00:38:11,455 --> 00:38:17,161 GET IN THE TRANSFER PORTAL." DEION SANDERS: I'D SAY, "SON, YOU MUST BE H-- Y-- YOU MUST NOT BE DOIN' WELL." 284 00:38:17,228 --> 00:38:24,402 >> THAT'S WHAT YOU'D SAY. >> YOU, YOU MUST NOT BE DOIN' WELL BECAUSE YOU SHOULD BE A ASSET AND NOT A 285 00:38:24,468 --> 00:38:30,241 LIABILITY." I'M HONEST WITH MY KIDS. >> HIS KIDS INCLUDE SHEDEUR, THE STAR QUARTERBACK, AND SHILO, A 286 00:38:30,307 --> 00:38:33,377 STARTING SAFETY JON WERTHEIM SOT: YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA THAT YOU WERE GONNA BE THIS GOOD AND CAPTURE THE COUNTRY THE WAY YOU 287 00:38:33,444 --> 00:38:39,717 HAVE? >> YEAH. >> OF COURSE. >> YOU DID? 288 00:38:39,784 --> 00:38:43,754 >> YEAH. >> I MEAN, WE BOTH DIDN'T COME HERE, HAVE OUR DAD COACHIN' JUST TO LOSE (LAUGHS) VO: A YEAR 289 00:38:43,821 --> 00:38:51,529 AGO TO THE DAY, WE WATCHED SHEDEUR, FLING AND ZING TOUCHDOWN PASSES AT JACKSON STATE. 290 00:38:51,595 --> 00:38:54,331 >> BUT THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER HE COULD DO THE SAME AGAINST STIFFER COMPETITION. WELL, IN HIS FIRST 291 00:38:54,398 --> 00:38:59,737 TWO GAMES AT COLORADO, HE THREW FOR NEARLY ONE THOUSAND YARDS, WITHOUT AN INTERCEPTION. YOU WERE PUTTIN' UP BIG NUMBERS 292 00:38:59,804 --> 00:39:02,673 AT JACKSON STATE. YOU'RE DOIN' IT HERE AGAINST TEAMS OF THE BIG TEN SHEDEUR SANDERS SOT: YEAH, THE JON WERTHEIM SOT: BIG 12. 293 00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:16,921 SHEDEUR SANDERS SOT: YEAH, IT JON WERTHEIM SOT: MUST BE GRATIFYING. >> YEAH, NO, THESE TWO GAMES WAS 294 00:39:16,987 --> 00:39:19,824 THE MOST YARDS I PASSED FOR IN MY CAREER. SO IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST EXCITIN' KNOWNIN' THAT, YOU KNOW, IT TRANSLATIN' LIKE ON A 295 00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:25,362 BIGGER STAGE. I JUST FEEL BETTER. >> HE'S ALSO—AND, AGAIN, WELCOME TO TODAY'S COLLEGE 296 00:39:25,429 --> 00:39:29,266 SPORTS—TRANSLATED HIS SUCCESS INTO RICHES, THANKS TO NIL, NAME/IMAGE/LIKENESS INCOME. SO MUCH SO HE DRIVES A $190,000 297 00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:32,036 MERCEDES MAYBACH AND SHEDEUR MIGHT NOT EVEN BE THE TEAM'S BEST PLAYER. TRAVIS HUNTER ALSO FOLLOWED COACH PRIME FROM 298 00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:43,714 JACKSON TO COLORADO. HIS COACH LETS HIM PLAY OFFENSE AND DEFENSE, VIRTUALLY UNHEARD OF IN THE MODERN COLLEGE GAME. 299 00:39:43,781 --> 00:39:48,786 YOU'VE GOT TWO REALLY GOOD HEISMAN-QUALITY PLAYERS ON THIS TEAM. >> YES. 300 00:39:48,853 --> 00:39:53,958 >> YOUR SON AND TRAVIS HUNTER. >> YES, SIR. >> FIRST HALF OF THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON, YOU'RE 301 00:39:54,024 --> 00:39:59,530 ALREADY PUBLICLY TALKING ABOUT TRAVIS HUNTER'S HEISMAN CHANCES. WHO DOES THAT? >> A COACH THAT 302 00:39:59,597 --> 00:40:02,566 LOVES HIS KIDS. A COACH THAT UNDERSTANDS THAT'S WHAT THOSE KIDS DESIRE. AND I'M SUPPOSED TO DO THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD 303 00:40:02,633 --> 00:40:08,139 THEM WHEN THEY WERE COMING AND CHOOSING TO PLAY FOR US. MY KIDS THAT PLAY FOR ME, THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE A UNIVERSITY. THEY CHOSE 304 00:40:08,205 --> 00:40:23,921 ME. THAT'S A DIFFERENCE. >> COACHES HAVE CHOSEN TO JOIN SANDERS AS WELL. THE STAFF HE OVERHAULED AND UPGRADED INCLUDES 305 00:40:23,988 --> 00:40:33,597 FORMER HEAD COACHES. >> SWITCH! >> AND FORMER COORDINATORS FROM SCHOOLS LIKE ALABAMA. 306 00:40:33,664 --> 00:40:42,173 NOW THAT YOU'RE A POWER FIVE GUY, WHO'S THE BEST COACH IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL TODAY? >> LET ME SEE. 307 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:53,450 LET ME SEE A MIRROR SO I CAN LOOK AT IT. (LAUGHTER) >> FEEL THAT. >> WHAT, YOU THINK 308 00:40:53,517 --> 00:40:56,320 I'M GONNA SIT UP HERE AND TELL YOU SOMEBODY ELSE? YOU-- YOU THINK-- YOU THINK THAT'S THE WAY I OPERATE? THAT SOMEBODY ELSE 309 00:40:56,387 --> 00:40:59,223 GOT THAT ON ME? BUT I TELL YOU THIS, I LOVE AND I ADORE AND I RESPECT AND EVERY TIME I DO A COMMERCIAL WITH COACH SABAN, 310 00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:04,795 IT'S A GIFT. JUST SITTING IN HIS PRESENCE AND HEARING HIM AND-- AND THROWING SOMETHING ELSE OUT THERE SO I COULD HEAR HIS 311 00:41:04,862 --> 00:41:12,436 VIEWPOINT ON IT. BECAUSE HE'S FORGOTTEN MORE THINGS THAN I MAY EVER ACCOMPLISH. SO I'M A STUDENT LOOKING UP TO THIS 312 00:41:12,503 --> 00:41:21,645 WONDERFUL TEACHER SAYING, "JUST-- JUST-- JUST THROW ME A CRUMB OF WHAT YOU KNOW." >> FOR ALL THE BLING AND 313 00:41:21,712 --> 00:41:26,550 BLUSTER, THERE IS SOME HUMILITY AND THE CURRENT MANIA MAY DIE DOWN A BIT AS COLORADO FACES A WELTER OF TOUGHER 314 00:41:26,617 --> 00:41:35,659 OPPONENTS THE REST OF THE SEASON. BUT DEION SANDERS HAS INVIGORATED A CAMPUS, A PROGRAM, 315 00:41:35,726 --> 00:41:48,072 AN ENTIRE SPORT. >> GAME BALL TO PEGGY. >> AND DAMN, IF HE HASN'T MADE IT FUN. 316 00:41:48,138 --> 00:42:02,887 >> GIVE ME MY THEME MUSIC! >>> THE LAST MINUTE OF "60 MINUTES," SPONSOR BID UNITED HEALTH CARE. 317 00:42:02,953 --> 00:42:11,395 THERE FOR WHAT MATTERS. >>> TONIGHT'S BROADCAST OPENS THE 56TH SEASON OF 60 MINUTES. FROM THE BEGINNING, DON HEWITT 318 00:42:11,462 --> 00:42:21,438 CONCEIVED THIS BROADCAST AS A MAGAZINE - A MIX OF STORIES, SOME HARD NEWS, SOME NOT, BUT ALL WELL-TOLD TO SHED LIGHT ON 319 00:42:21,505 --> 00:42:30,781 OUR TIMES. AND WE WORK TO REMAIN TRUE TO THAT TODAY. IN THE COMING WEEKS, WE'LL REPORT ON PROGRESS AGAINST 320 00:42:30,848 --> 00:42:40,891 ALZHEIMER'S DISEASE, TAKE YOU TO AN ISLAND IN THE IRISH SEA FOR A LOOK AT A FAST AND OFTEN-DEADLY MOTORCYCLE RACE, AND EXPLORE THE 321 00:42:40,958 --> 00:42:50,100 DECIDEDLY SLOWER LIFE OF SLOTHS. WE'LL WATCH THE ECONOMY AND RETURN TO THE WAR IN UKRAINE. ON SOME SUNDAYS THIS YEAR, WE'LL 322 00:42:50,167 --> 00:42:59,343 FOLLOW OUR REGULAR 60 MINUTES WITH WHAT SPORTS BROADCASTS CALL “BONUS COVERAGE” -- TWO ADDITIONAL ALL-NEW STORIES. 323 00:42:59,410 --> 00:43:12,589 I'M LESLEY STAHL. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF 60 MINUTES.