1 00:00:10,076 --> 00:00:17,717 >>> WE ARE GOING TO THE -- >> WHO IS RAY EPPS? A FORMER MEMBER OF THE OATH KEEPER WHO'S SERVED IN THE 2 00:00:17,784 --> 00:00:26,526 MARINE CORPS AND WAS AN ARDENT TRUMP SUPPORTER, OR AT LEAST HE WAS UNTIL CONSERVATIVE MEDIA POST JANUARY 6th BEGAN 3 00:00:26,593 --> 00:00:30,764 INSINUATING THAT HE WAS A GOVERNMENT PLANT FOR THE DEEP STATE. >> WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE ROLE OF 4 00:00:30,830 --> 00:00:39,773 RAY EPPS IN THE CHAOS OF JANUARY 6th? >> NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THEY PUSH THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY, 5 00:00:39,839 --> 00:00:48,348 THIS LIE, IT'LL NEVER BECOME TRUTH. >>> THE UNITED STATES IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A MATERNAL HEALTH 6 00:00:48,415 --> 00:00:54,921 CRISIS. TODAY, A WOMAN IN THE U.S. IS TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE FROM PREGNANCY COMPLICATIONS THAN HER 7 00:00:54,988 --> 00:01:02,195 MOTHER WAS A GENERATION AGO. >> YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS AS A DOG, AS A POLICYMAKER. WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? 8 00:01:02,262 --> 00:01:10,970 >> WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE MOTHERHOOD. AS A COUNTRY, WE HAVE, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE DEEP SOUTH, 9 00:01:11,037 --> 00:01:19,045 SAID THAT WE'RE PRO-BIRTH. WE NEED TO BE PRO-MOTHERHOOD AND PRO-FAMILY IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PRO-BIRTH. 10 00:01:19,112 --> 00:01:25,618 >>> YOU'D BE FORGIVEN FOR DOUBLE CHECKING YOUR TICKET TO MAKE SURE YOU WEREN'T AT MADISON SQUARE GARDEN. 11 00:01:25,685 --> 00:01:31,524 THIS IS NEW YORK'S METROPOLITAN OPERA. AND IN THIS CORNER, YANNICK NEZET-SEGUIN, ONLY THE THIRD 12 00:01:31,591 --> 00:01:49,642 MUSIC DIRECTOR IN THE MET'S 140-YEAR HISTORY. NEZET-SEGUIN'S EYES REACH FROM THE STAGE. 13 00:01:49,709 --> 00:01:55,081 >>> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. 14 00:01:55,148 --> 00:02:02,288 >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60 15 00:02:02,355 --> 00:02:14,801 MINUTE >>> FOR MILLIONS OF CONSUMERS OF CONSERVATIVE NEWS, RAY EPPS IS A NOTORIOUS VILLAIN, A PROVOCATEUR 16 00:02:14,868 --> 00:02:23,710 RESPONSIBLE FOR TURNING PEACEFUL PROTESTS ON JANUARY 6th INTO A VIOLENT ASSAULT ON THE U.S. CAPITOL. 17 00:02:23,776 --> 00:02:28,648 THE IRONY IS THAT EPPS WAS A PASSIONATE SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO WENT TO WASHINGTON TO PROTEST THE 2020 18 00:02:28,715 --> 00:02:36,189 ELECTION. BUT, AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN APRIL, HIS CONTRADICTORY BEHAVIOR ON JANUARY 6th SPAWNED 19 00:02:36,256 --> 00:02:46,266 A FULL-FLEDGED CONSPIRACY THEORY, CASTING HIM AS A GOVERNMENT AGENT WHO INCITED AN INSURRECTION. 20 00:02:46,332 --> 00:02:51,070 TODAY, EPPS IS IN HIDING AFTER DEATH THREATS FORCED HIM TO SELL HIS HOME. SO, WHO IS RAY EPPS? 21 00:02:51,137 --> 00:02:57,977 TONIGHT, YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE MAN HIMSELF. >> AS SOON AS PRESIDENT TRUMP IS FINISHED SPEAKING, WE ARE GOING 22 00:02:58,044 --> 00:03:04,484 TO THE CAPITOL. IT'S THAT DIRECTION. AT 6'4", IN HIS DESERT CAMOUFLAGE, BRIGHT RED TRUMP 23 00:03:04,551 --> 00:03:19,399 HAT, AND MILITARY-STYLE BACKPACK, RAY EPPS STOOD OUT FROM THE CROWD ON JANUARY 6th. THAT'S HIM RUNNING TOWARD THE 24 00:03:19,465 --> 00:03:27,373 U.S. CAPITOL AND ALONGSIDE THE VANGUARD OF RIOTERS WHO FIRST ATTACKED AND OVERRAN POLICE. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU 25 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:32,178 SEE THIS NOW? >> BRINGS BACK SOME BAD MEMORIES. IT'S HARD TO SEE OUR CAPITOL 26 00:03:32,245 --> 00:03:38,051 UNDER ATTACK. >> IT'S BEEN MORE THAN TWO YEARS SINCE THE STORMING OF THE CAPITOL, BUT RAY AND HIS WIFE 27 00:03:38,117 --> 00:03:45,525 ROBYN TOLD US THEY RELIVE JANUARY 6th EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES. >> SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID, "WELL, 28 00:03:45,592 --> 00:03:51,898 JUST LET IT GO, AND LET IT DIE DOWN." >> IT DOESN'T. >> WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS 29 00:03:51,965 --> 00:03:55,668 IT DOESN'T. >> WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE ROLE OF RAY EPPS IN THE CHAOS OF JANUARY 6th? 30 00:03:55,735 --> 00:04:03,743 >> THE THEORY EPPS, A FORMER MEMBER OF THE OATH KEEPERS, WAS AN FBI INFORMANT WHO INCITED THE CROWD ON JANUARY 6th BUBBLED UP 31 00:04:03,810 --> 00:04:13,853 FROM A RIGHT-WING NEWS SITE CALLED REVOLVER NEWS, RUN BY A FORMER TRUMP SPEECHWRITER. >> HE IS THE SMOKING GUN OF THE 32 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:19,692 ENTIRE FED-SURRECTION. >> AND LANDED ON FOX NEWS PRIME TIME. >> ACCORDING TO A NEW 33 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:25,531 INVESTIGATION FROM REVOLVER, EPPS MAY HAVE LED THE BREACH TEAM THAT FIRST ENTERED THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th. 34 00:04:25,598 --> 00:04:30,303 >> THE CONVOLUTED CONSPIRACY THEORY MADE ITS WAY TO CAPITOL HILL. >> IT'S NOT THE PROUD BOYS WHO 35 00:04:30,370 --> 00:04:35,141 ENGAGE IN THE INITIAL BREACH. IT'S RAY EPPS AT THAT PRECISE MOMENT. >> HOW DID RAY EPPS KNOW THAT 36 00:04:35,208 --> 00:04:41,581 THERE WERE GOING TO BE PIPE BOMBS? >> MS. SANBORN, WHO IS RAY EPPS? >> THAT QUESTION ANIMATED FORMER 37 00:04:41,648 --> 00:04:48,488 FOX NEWS HOST TUCKER CARLSON FOR NEARLY TWO YEARS. >> RAY EPPS? HE IS ON VIDEO SEVERAL TIMES 38 00:04:48,554 --> 00:04:55,428 ENCOURAGING CRIMES, RIOTS, BREACHES OF THE CAPITOL. >> CARLSON FOCUSED ON EPPS MORE THAN 20 TIMES ON HIS TOP-RATED 39 00:04:55,495 --> 00:05:02,435 SHOW, A HALF DOZEN TIMES THIS YEAR. >> HE'S OBSESSED WITH ME. HE'S GOING TO ANY MEANS POSSIBLE 40 00:05:02,502 --> 00:05:07,774 TO DESTROY MY LIFE AND OUR LIVES. >> WHY? >> TO SHIFT BLAME ON SOMEBODY 41 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:18,418 ELSE. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, FOX NEWS, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, TED CRUZ, GAETZ, THEY'RE ALL TELLING 42 00:05:18,484 --> 00:05:26,959 US BEFORE THIS THING THAT IT WAS STOLEN. SO, YOU TELL ME, WHO HAS MORE IMPACT ON PEOPLE, THEM OR ME? 43 00:05:27,026 --> 00:05:35,001 >> EPPS, ONCE A LOYAL FOX NEWS WATCHER, TOLD US HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW HE GOT CAST AS THE VILLAIN. 44 00:05:35,068 --> 00:05:42,442 THE EPPS' VERSION IS MORE MUNDANE: THEY BELIEVED THE 2020 ELECTION HAD BEEN STOLEN FROM DONALD TRUMP, AND CONSIDERED 45 00:05:42,508 --> 00:05:48,815 JANUARY 6th A LEGITIMATE PROTEST. >> IT WAS A SLOPPY ELECTION. AND THEN TO TOP THAT OFF, YOU 46 00:05:48,881 --> 00:05:55,221 HAVE TALKING HEADS REPORTING THAT THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THE VOTING MACHINES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. 47 00:05:55,288 --> 00:06:00,626 THE ELECTION'S STOLEN. SO, YEAH, WE HAD CONCERNS. I WANTED TO BE THERE. I WANTED TO WITNESS THIS WITH MY 48 00:06:00,693 --> 00:06:06,999 OWN EYES. >> EPPS WENT TO WASHINGTON WITH HIS 36-YEAR-OLD SON AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY STEPPED INTO 49 00:06:07,066 --> 00:06:15,041 TROUBLE. THE CONSPIRACY THEORY STARTS HERE, THE NIGHT OF JANUARY 5th. >> GIVE ME ONE MINUTE! 50 00:06:15,108 --> 00:06:29,522 GIVE ME ONE MINUTE! >> ON THE STREETS OF D.C., TENSIONS WERE RUNNING HIGH AT A PRO-TRUMP RALLY BEING LIVE 51 00:06:29,589 --> 00:06:35,661 STREAMED ON THE INTERNET. THE MARINE VETERAN TRIED TO TAKE CHARGE. >> I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT 52 00:06:35,728 --> 00:06:39,932 THERE, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GO TO JAIL FOR THIS. TOMORROW, WE NEED TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL! 53 00:06:39,999 --> 00:06:45,238 INTO THE CAPITOL! >> WHAT?! PEACEFULLY! >> FED FED FED! 54 00:06:45,304 --> 00:06:53,246 FED! >> TO SOME IN THE CROWD, EPPS SEEMED SO OVER THE TOP, HE MUST HAVE BEEN A GOVERNMENT AGENT -- 55 00:06:53,312 --> 00:06:59,652 A FED -- SENT TO ENTRAP THEM. >> WHEN YOU SAID, "WE HAVE TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL, WE HAVE TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL," WHAT WERE YOU 56 00:06:59,719 --> 00:07:05,591 THINKING? >> I SAID SOME STUPID THINGS. MY THOUGHT PROCESS, WE SURROUND THE CAPITOL, WE GET ALL THE 57 00:07:05,658 --> 00:07:11,430 PEOPLE THERE. I MEAN, I HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE ELECTION. IT WAS MY DUTY AS AN AMERICAN TO 58 00:07:11,497 --> 00:07:21,040 PEACEFULLY PROTEST, ALONG WITH ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO. >> THE NEXT MORNING, JANUARY 6th, EPPS WAS OUT BY THE 59 00:07:21,107 --> 00:07:27,446 WASHINGTON MONUMENT, STILL FOCUSED ON A SINGLE GOAL. >> WE ARE GOING TO THE CAPITOL, WHERE OUR PROBLEMS ARE. 60 00:07:27,513 --> 00:07:33,853 IT'S THAT DIRECTION! >> WE'RE GOING TO WALK DOWN TO THE CAPITOL. >> WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS 61 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:39,192 STILL SPEAKING AT THE ELLIPSE, RAY EPPS WALKED TOWARD THE CAPITOL. HE TOLD US HE WANTED TO BE UP 62 00:07:39,258 --> 00:07:49,302 FRONT TO HELP KEEP THE PEACE. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT AT PEACE CIRCLE WHERE PROTESTERS FIRST OVERRAN POLICE IS SEEN AS A 63 00:07:49,368 --> 00:08:02,181 SMOKING GUN. EPPS PULLED THIS AGITATED RIOTER ASIDE AND SAID SOMETHING, CONSPIRACISTS SAY HE WAS GIVING 64 00:08:02,248 --> 00:08:11,791 MARCHING ORDERS, BECAUSE SECONDS LATER THIS HAPPENED, THE FIRST CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER GOES DOWN. 65 00:08:11,858 --> 00:08:17,129 >> AS CLOSELY AS YOU CAN REMEMBER, WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU SAY TO HIM? >> "DUDE, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR 66 00:08:17,196 --> 00:08:27,773 THAT. THE POLICE AREN'T THE ENEMY." OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> DID ANYONE FROM THE FEDERAL 67 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,545 GOVERNMENT DIRECT YOU TO BE HERE AT THE PEACE CIRCLE AT THIS TIME? >> NO. 68 00:08:32,612 --> 00:08:37,383 >> NO ONE FROM THE FBI? >> NO. >> YOUR OLD COMRADES WITH THE OATH KEEPERS? 69 00:08:37,450 --> 00:08:44,857 >> NO. >> I THINK WHAT IS SO DAMNING ABOUT THE VIDEO IS THAT THERE'S A BARRIER THERE. 70 00:08:44,924 --> 00:08:52,832 THE BARRIER GETS KNOCKED DOWN. AND A POLICE OFFICER, A FEMALE POLICE OFFICER GETS KNOCKED DOWN. 71 00:08:52,899 --> 00:09:05,711 AND THE MOB, INCLUDING YOU, WALK OVER THE BARRIER AND MARCH ON TOWARD THE CAPITOL. >> WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP TO HELP 72 00:09:05,778 --> 00:09:14,253 THIS POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS KNOCKED OVER? >> WHEN SHE WAS KNOCKED DOWN AND I STARTED TO GO TOWARDS HER TO 73 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,558 HELP HER UP, AND I SAW A BILLY CLUB OVER HERE IN THE CORNER OF MY EYE. AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 74 00:09:19,625 --> 00:09:24,897 GOING TO THINK I'M PART OF THIS. SO I BACKED OFF. >> YOU WERE PART OF IT. >> I WAS THERE. 75 00:09:24,964 --> 00:09:30,803 I WASN'T A PART OF THAT, KNOCKING HER DOWN. >> AND HE WASN'T PART OF THE VIOLENCE. 76 00:09:30,870 --> 00:09:39,845 THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE. >> RAY EPPS WAS NEVER SEEN COMMITTING AN ACT OF VIOLENCE THAT DAY OR ENTERING THE 77 00:09:39,912 --> 00:09:47,853 CAPITOL. EPPS TOLD US WHEN HE SAW THE VIOLENCE, HIS FERVOR TO ENTER THE BUILDING BECAME A DESIRE TO 78 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:55,828 PLAY PEACEMAKER. >> SO THEY'RE NOT THE ENEMY. THEY'RE NOT THE ENEMY. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. 79 00:09:55,895 --> 00:10:01,200 >> AND POLICE BODY CAM VIDEO BACKS HIM UP. >> I THOUGHT I COULD STOP IT. SO I WENT BACK AND FORTH. 80 00:10:01,267 --> 00:10:06,005 I TALKED PEOPLE DOWN. AND WORKED THE LINE BACK AND FORTH. "STEP DOWN, STEP DOWN, WE'RE 81 00:10:06,072 --> 00:10:10,276 GOOD HERE." THAT KIND OF THING. AND I KEPT IT THAT WAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 82 00:10:10,343 --> 00:10:16,649 TAKE A STEP BACK! WE'RE HOLDING GROUND. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET PEOPLE HURT. 83 00:10:16,716 --> 00:10:21,454 THEY DON'T WANT TO GET HURT. YOU DON'T WANT TO GET HURT. BACK UP! >> EPPS SAYS HE LEFT THE CAPITOL 84 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,792 GROUNDS TO HELP EVACUATE AN INJURED MAN. THE TIME: 2:54 P.M. >> I LOOKED BACK AT THE CAPITOL, 85 00:10:26,859 --> 00:10:31,597 AND THERE WAS PEOPLE CRAWLING UP THE CAPITOL WALLS. AND IT LOOKED LIKE, IT LOOKED TERRIBLE. 86 00:10:31,664 --> 00:10:38,004 I MEAN, I WAS KIND OF ASHAMED OF WHAT, WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THAT POINT. SO I STARTED TO WALK OUT. 87 00:10:38,070 --> 00:10:47,046 >> HE TOLD US THAT'S WHEN HE SENT THIS TEXT TO HIS NEPHEW. CONSPIRACISTS SAW IT AS THE TRUE CONFESSION OF AN AGENT 88 00:10:47,113 --> 00:10:53,452 PROVOCATEUR. >> "I WAS IN FRONT WITH A FEW OTHERS. I ALSO ORCHESTRATED IT." 89 00:10:53,519 --> 00:11:00,192 EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. >> I WAS BOASTING TO MY NEPHEW. I HELPED GET PEOPLE THERE. I WAS DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE 90 00:11:00,259 --> 00:11:07,400 CAPITOL THAT MORNING. >> YOU KNOW HOW THIS SOUNDS? >> I KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT SOUNDS. I'VE BEEN SCOLDED BY MY WIFE FOR 91 00:11:07,466 --> 00:11:12,705 USING THAT WORD. I SHOULDN'T HAVE USED THAT WORD. >> WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL OF THESE THINGS, AS YOUR CRITICS HAVE 92 00:11:12,772 --> 00:11:20,713 DONE, YOU'VE GIVEN THEM A LOT OF AMMUNITION TO PAINT YOU AS THE INSTIGATOR. >> THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO MAKE 93 00:11:20,780 --> 00:11:30,856 ME THE SCAPEGOAT. >> IF RAY EPPS WAS A COVERT PLANT, HE IS THE WORST COVERT PLANT OF ALL TIME. 94 00:11:30,923 --> 00:11:36,829 IF YOU ARE PART OF SOME ELABORATE CONSPIRACY AGAINST THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., I DON'T KNOW 95 00:11:36,896 --> 00:11:42,034 WHY YOU'D WANT TO STAND OUT FROM THE CROWD THE WAY RAY EPPS DID. >> TOM JOSCELYN IS A RESEARCHER AND AUTHOR, ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S 96 00:11:42,101 --> 00:11:50,042 TOP TERRORISM EXPERTS, TAPPED BY THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE TO HELP WRITE ITS FINAL REPORT, WHICH FOUND EVIDENCE FAR-RIGHT 97 00:11:50,109 --> 00:11:55,915 EXTREMISTS LIKE THE PROUD BOYS PLANNED AND EXECUTED THE BREACH OF THE CAPITOL. HE SAYS THE COMMITTEE 98 00:11:55,981 --> 00:12:03,456 INTERVIEWED EPPS AND FOUND HE WASN'T IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT IN THE REPORT. >> I WOULDN'T DEFEND RAY EPPS OR 99 00:12:03,522 --> 00:12:08,828 ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS ON THE CAPITOL GROUNDS THAT DAY. I WOULD JUST DEFEND THE FACTS. SO THE IDEA THAT HE'S LEADING 100 00:12:08,894 --> 00:12:14,667 THE CHARGE OR REALLY ORCHESTRATING IT IS JUST CONTRADICTED BY THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE OF EVIDENCE. 101 00:12:14,733 --> 00:12:20,005 AND THAT'S WHAT THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WANT YOU TO, WANT YOU TO DO, RIGHT? THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO LOOK AT 102 00:12:20,072 --> 00:12:25,344 THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE OF EVIDENCE. THEY WANT YOU TO TURN AROUND AND FOCUS ON THIS PEBBLE ON THE GROUND NAMED RAY EPPS. 103 00:12:25,411 --> 00:12:30,649 THEY ALSO DON'T WANT YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SAYING AND DOING. HE CALLS EPPS' BEHAVIOR 104 00:12:30,716 --> 00:12:35,454 BAFFLING, BUT NOT EVIDENCE OF A CONSPIRACY. >> THEY'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF CONNECTIVE TISSUE 105 00:12:35,521 --> 00:12:41,327 BETWEEN RAY EPPS AND THE FBI, AND THEY'VE GOT NONE. AND SO THEY CAN MAKE UP ALL SORTS OF AD HOC ARGUMENTS TO 106 00:12:41,393 --> 00:12:46,132 JUSTIFY THEIR BELIEFS, BUT THAT'S ALL THEY ARE. IT'S NOT ACTUAL INVESTIGATIVE WORK. 107 00:12:46,198 --> 00:12:51,971 IT'S NOT ACTUAL EVIDENCE. >> THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE LOOKED AT THE EVIDENCE -- VIDEO, PHONE RECORDS, TRAVEL 108 00:12:52,037 --> 00:13:01,680 RECEIPTS -- SO DID THE FBI. WHEN EPPS GOT BACK TO ARIZONA ON JANUARY 8th, A RELATIVE TOLD HIM HE WAS ON AN FBI POSTER "SEEKING 109 00:13:01,747 --> 00:13:08,053 INFORMATION" ABOUT CERTAIN RIOTERS. >> WE LITERALLY HUNG UP THE PHONE AND WALKED RIGHT INTO THE 110 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:13,392 HOUSE, SAT DOWN AND CALLED THE FBI. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID TO THE FBI? 111 00:13:13,459 --> 00:13:18,197 >> TOLD THEM WHO I WAS, AND THAT I WOULD COOPERATE IN ANY WAY I COULD. I DIDN'T BREAK ANY LAWS. 112 00:13:18,264 --> 00:13:28,340 >> TWO MONTHS LATER, HE MET WITH AGENTS. >> SO WHEN WE MET WITH THE FBI, I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE, "FINALLY, 113 00:13:28,407 --> 00:13:33,145 WE'RE GOING TO CLEAR THIS UP." THERE WAS NO, "I TAKE THE FIFTH." THERE WAS NONE OF THAT IT WAS 114 00:13:33,212 --> 00:13:37,917 JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW. I WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. AND THEY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 115 00:13:37,983 --> 00:13:42,721 >> IN THE SUMMER OF 2021, THE FBI TOOK HIS PICTURE OFF THE BUREAU'S WEBSITE. EPPS THOUGHT THAT WOULD END HIS 116 00:13:42,788 --> 00:13:48,027 TROUBLES, BUT IT ONLY ADDED FUEL TO THE CONSPIRACY. >> A NEW PIECE IN "REVOLVER NEWS" NOTES THAT THE FBI REMOVED 117 00:13:48,093 --> 00:13:54,200 A PHOTO OF RAY EPPS FROM ITS MOST WANTED PAGE THIS SUMMER. >> HOW ABOUT THE ONE GUY? GO IN. 118 00:13:54,266 --> 00:13:57,670 GO IN! GET IN THERE, EVERYBODY. EPPS. GET IN THERE! 119 00:13:57,736 --> 00:14:08,414 GO, GO, GO! NOTHING HAPPENS TO HIM. >> THE EPPS WOULD DISPUTE THAT. AFTER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP 120 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:14,787 MENTIONED EPPS BY NAME, HARASSMENT AND DEATH THREATS PICKED UP. >> "I PRAY," TO COME TO YOU TO 121 00:14:14,853 --> 00:14:20,125 KILL YOU. WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU OPEN A LETTER LIKE THAT? >> SCARES ME TO DEATH. 122 00:14:20,192 --> 00:14:24,930 >> IT GOT SO BAD THEY WERE FORCED TO SELL THEIR FIVE-ACRE RANCH OUTSIDE PHOENIX. THEY'RE NOW IN HIDING, LIVING IN 123 00:14:24,997 --> 00:14:35,574 THIS 300-SQUARE-FOOT RECREATIONAL VEHICLE, SOMEWHERE IN THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS. WE AGREED NOT TO DISCLOSE 124 00:14:35,641 --> 00:14:43,616 EXACTLY WHERE. >> IT'S SO SAD WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO RAY, AND TO US, AND TO OUR LIVES. 125 00:14:43,682 --> 00:14:53,192 SOMETIMES I'VE USED MY MAIDEN NAME JUST SO THAT WE DON'T CALL ATTENTION. >> I HAVE A HARD TIME, BEING A 126 00:14:53,259 --> 00:15:04,470 MAN, BEING ON THE -- BEING A MARINE, BEING ON THE RUN. I HAD TO DO THE NECESSARY THINGS TO KEEP MY FAMILY SAFE. 127 00:15:04,536 --> 00:15:10,342 >> THE FBI ISSUED A STATEMENT TO "60 MINUTES" IN APRIL SAYING, QUOTE, RAY EPPS HAS NEVER BEEN AN FBI SOURCE OR AN FBI 128 00:15:10,409 --> 00:15:19,918 EMPLOYEE. LAST MONTH, EPPS SUED FOX NEWS FOR DEFAMATION, ACCUSING FORMER HOST TUCKER CARLSON OF PROMOTING 129 00:15:19,985 --> 00:15:37,536 A RECKLESS CONSPIRACY THEORY. CARLSON WAS FIRED BY FOX NEWS THE DAY AFTER THIS REPORT FIRST AIRED. 130 00:15:37,603 --> 00:15:41,840 >>> THE UNITED STATES IS IN THE MIDDLE OF A MATERNAL HEALTH CRISIS. TODAY, A WOMAN IN THE U.S. IS 131 00:15:41,907 --> 00:15:49,848 TWICE AS LIKELY TO DIE FROM PREGNANCY COMPLICATIONS THAN HER MOTHER WAS A GENERATION AGO. STATISTICS FROM THE WORLD HEALTH 132 00:15:49,915 --> 00:16:01,093 ORGANIZATION SHOW THE UNITED STATES HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RATES OF MATERNAL DEATH IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD. 133 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:07,499 WOMEN IN THE U.S. ARE TEN OR MORE TIMES LIKELY TO DIE FROM PREGNANCY-RELATED CAUSES THAN MOTHERS IN POLAND, SPAIN, OR 134 00:16:07,566 --> 00:16:13,906 NORWAY. AS WE FIRST REPORTED THIS PAST APRIL, SOME OF THE WORST STATISTICS COME OUT OF THE 135 00:16:13,972 --> 00:16:20,846 SOUTH, IN PLACES LIKE LOUISIANA, WHERE DEEP POCKETS OF POVERTY, HEALTHCARE DESERTS, AND RACIAL BIASES HAVE LONG PUT MOTHERS AT 136 00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:26,752 RISK. TONIGHT, YOU WILL HEAR FROM SOME OF THE WOMEN TRYING TO IMPROVE MATERNAL HEALTHCARE IN LOUISIANA 137 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:33,125 AND WHY THEY SAY LAST SUMMER'S ABORTION BAN SET OFF A "DOMINO EFFECT," MAKING A BAD SITUATION, WORSE. 138 00:16:33,192 --> 00:16:40,032 >> THE STATE OF MATERNAL HEALTH IN THE UNITED STATES IS ABYSMAL. AND LOUISIANA IS THE HIGHEST MATERNAL MORTALITY IN THE U.S. 139 00:16:40,099 --> 00:16:45,904 SO, IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD, LOUISIANA HAS THE WORST OUTCOMES FOR WOMEN HAVING BABIES. >> GOOD MORNING. 140 00:16:45,971 --> 00:16:53,379 >> AS AN OB-GYN, LOUISIANA'S FORMER STATE SECRETARY OF HEALTH, AND FOUNDER OF NEST, A PRIMARY HEALTH SERVICE FOR 141 00:16:53,445 --> 00:17:01,453 FAMILIES, DR. REBEKAH GEE SPENT A CAREER ADVOCATING FOR BETTER MATERNAL CARE. RENOWNED FOR ITS RICH CULTURE 142 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:07,292 AND LEGENDARY CELEBRATIONS, LOUISIANA ALSO HOLDS THE DISTINCTION OF BEING ONE OF THE RISKIEST PLACES IN THE COUNTRY 143 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:16,402 TO GIVE BIRTH. >> 39 OUT OF EVERY 100,000 MOTHERS IN LOUISIANA DIE DURING OR SHORTLY AFTER CHILDBIRTH. 144 00:17:16,468 --> 00:17:22,241 >> HOW DID WE GET HERE? WHY IS LOUISIANA IN THIS POSITION? >> THE HIGH C-SECTION RATES HAVE 145 00:17:22,307 --> 00:17:29,181 CONTRIBUTED, THE LACK OF ACCESS TO WELL WOMAN CARE BEFORE AND AFTER PREGNANCIES. 50% OF THE TIME WOMEN DON'T GET 146 00:17:29,248 --> 00:17:36,255 THAT POSTPARTUM CARE WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE UNTREATED HYPERTENSION, UNTREATED DIABETES, UNTREATED DEPRESSION. 147 00:17:36,321 --> 00:17:45,164 THE FACT THAT WE HAVE RACIAL BIAS IN HEALTHCARE. AND SO ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE COMPOUNDED ESPECIALLY WORSE FOR 148 00:17:45,230 --> 00:17:53,172 LOW-INCOME WOMEN. >> AS LOUISIANA'S SECRETARY OF HEALTH, DR. GEE HELPED EXPAND POSTPARTUM MEDICAID COVERAGE AND 149 00:17:53,238 --> 00:17:58,010 PUSHED THE STATE TO TRACK HOW RACE IMPACTED CARE AND MATERNAL OUTCOMES. >> WAS IT UNDERREPORTED? 150 00:17:58,076 --> 00:18:03,916 >> ABSOLUTELY. IN THE PRIOR ADMINISTRATION, WHEN I WAS MEDICAL DIRECTOR, WE WERE TOLD WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO 151 00:18:03,982 --> 00:18:08,720 SHOW DATA THAT SHOWED HEALTH DISPARITIES. >> BECAUSE WHY? >> BECAUSE THE POLITICAL 152 00:18:08,787 --> 00:18:14,593 ESTABLISHMENT DIDN'T WANT TO ADMIT THAT THERE WERE DISPARITIES. >> A STATE BOARD NOW REVIEWS AND 153 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:19,898 REPORTS EVERY MATERNAL DEATH IN LOUISIANA. DR. GEE WORKED WITH THAT BOARD AND FOUND THE RESULTS ESPECIALLY 154 00:18:19,965 --> 00:18:26,305 UPSETTING. DATA SHOWED 80% OF MATERNAL DEATHS IN THE STATE WERE POTENTIALLY PREVENTIBLE. 155 00:18:26,371 --> 00:18:32,177 >> YOU'VE LOOKED AT THIS AS A DOCTOR, AS A POLICYMAKER. WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE? >> WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE 156 00:18:32,244 --> 00:18:39,651 MOTHERHOOD. RIGHT? AS A COUNTRY, WE HAVE, AND PARTICULARLY IN THE DEEP SOUTH, 157 00:18:39,718 --> 00:18:43,922 SAID THAT WE'RE PRO-BIRTH. IF WE'RE REALLY GOING TO BE PRO-BIRTH, WE NEED TO BE PRO-MOTHERHOOD AND PRO-FAMILY, 158 00:18:43,989 --> 00:18:49,261 RIGHT? >> WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? >> MAKING SURE THAT WOMEN HAVE TIME OFF TO GET TO THEIR MEDICAL 159 00:18:49,328 --> 00:18:57,803 APPOINTMENTS, MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE, MAKING SURE THAT WOMEN HAVE ACCESS TO WELL WOMAN CARE. 160 00:18:57,870 --> 00:19:04,243 >> ACCESS IS A BIG HURDLE FOR MANY WOMEN IN LOUISIANA. >> SO WHAT'S IT LIKE TO RAISE A FAMILY HERE? 161 00:19:04,309 --> 00:19:10,682 >> UH, A STRUGGLE. >> 28-YEAR-OLD THERESA DUBOIS AND 32-YEAR-OLD BRITTANY CAVALIER ARE BOTH MARRIED, AND 162 00:19:10,749 --> 00:19:18,557 MOTHERS OF TWO. THEY'RE EXPECTING THEIR THIRD BABIES THIS SUMMER. >> BRITTANY RUNS THE LOCAL 163 00:19:18,624 --> 00:19:27,199 DAYCARE THAT THERESA'S YOUNGER DAUGHTER ATTENDS. THEY LIVE IN ASSUMPTION PARISH, A RURAL COUNTY OF 21,000 WHERE 164 00:19:27,266 --> 00:19:35,707 SUGAR CANE IS PLENTIFUL. AND DOCTORS ARE SCARCE. >> SO, TO GIVE US A SENSE OF KIND OF WHERE WE ARE, HOW CLOSE 165 00:19:35,774 --> 00:19:39,978 IS THE NEAREST PEDIATRICIAN? >> ALMOST 45 MINUTES. >> OB-GYN? >> AN HOUR AND 35 MINUTES. 166 00:19:40,045 --> 00:19:44,783 >> WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE OB-GYN AND IT TAKES YOU AN HOUR AND A HALF -- >> OH, IT'S A NIGHTMARE. 167 00:19:44,850 --> 00:19:49,588 IT'S A LOT. IT'S A LOT EMOTIONALLY. IT'S A LOT IN THE CAR. IT'S A LOT ON YOUR BODY, JUST 168 00:19:49,655 --> 00:19:58,730 WAITING THAT LONG TO GET HELP. >> A THIRD OF LOUISIANA'S PARISHES ARE MATERNAL HEALTH DESERTS, MEANING THEY DON'T HAVE 169 00:19:58,797 --> 00:20:06,638 A SINGLE OB-GYN, LEAVING MORE THAN 51,000 WOMEN IN THE STATE WITHOUT EASY ACCESS TO CARE AND THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE 170 00:20:06,705 --> 00:20:14,146 OF PREGNANCY-RELATED CAUSES. THE ONLY HOSPITAL IN ASSUMPTION ISN'T EQUIPPED TO DELIVER BABIES, SO CAVALIER AND DUBOIS 171 00:20:14,212 --> 00:20:21,086 HAVE TO TRAVEL MORE THAN AN HOUR TO GET TO HOSPITALS IN BATON ROUGE TO GIVE BIRTH, A HARROWING JOURNEY WHEN THERE'S AN 172 00:20:21,153 --> 00:20:27,459 EMERGENCY. >> I MEAN, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ONE OF THE BEST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. 173 00:20:27,526 --> 00:20:32,831 AND YOU'RE JUST LEAVING THE WOMEN OUT THERE TO DRY. >> STARTING WITH THE MOST MARGINALIZED. 174 00:20:32,898 --> 00:20:41,340 >> LATONA GIWA SAW THOSE DISPARITIES WHEN SHE WORKED AS A DELIVERY ROOM NURSE. IN 2011, SHE CO-FOUNDED THE NEW 175 00:20:41,406 --> 00:20:48,280 ORLEANS-BASED BIRTHMARK DOULA COLLECTIVE. >> HEY, TRINITY, HOW ARE YOU? >> DOULAS PROVIDE EMOTIONAL AND 176 00:20:48,347 --> 00:20:55,754 PHYSICAL SUPPORT BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER CHILDBIRTH. LAST YEAR, THE COLLECTIVE WORKED WITH 2,000 MOTHERS. 177 00:20:55,821 --> 00:21:05,430 >> WE WORK WITH THE MOST MARGINALIZED FAMILIES WHO ARE MOST AT RISK FOR POOR BIRTH OUTCOMES AND WE PRIORITIZE 178 00:21:05,497 --> 00:21:10,235 WORKING WITH BLACK AND BROWN FAMILIES, WITH LOW-INCOME FAMILIES. >> IN LOUISIANA, BLACK WOMEN ARE 179 00:21:10,302 --> 00:21:18,243 UP TO FOUR TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN WHITE WOMEN TO DIE DURING OR AFTER CHILDBIRTH. >> WHAT DO YOU SEE IN YOUR LINE 180 00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:24,616 OF WORK THAT BLACK AND BROWN WOMEN ARE FACING WHEN THEY'RE PREGNANT VERSUS A WHITE WOMAN? >> WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT 181 00:21:24,683 --> 00:21:31,023 DOES NOT GUARANTEE INSURANCE COVERAGE AND HEALTHCARE TO EVERYONE, THERE IS DIFFERENT AND DISCRIMINATORY CARE. 182 00:21:31,089 --> 00:21:37,996 BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO BE ON MEDICAID. THEY'RE GOING TO PRACTICES THAT ARE BUSIER, THAT TAKE MORE 183 00:21:38,063 --> 00:21:43,301 PATIENTS. AND THAT'S WHERE THE DOULA COMES IN. >> SO YOU HAVE YOUR BABY 184 00:21:43,368 --> 00:21:48,640 LAYING -- >> STUDIES SHOW BETTER BIRTH OUTCOMES FOR BLACK WOMEN WHO'VE HAD DOULA CARE. 185 00:21:48,707 --> 00:21:56,081 >> THERE YOU GO. GOOD JOB! >> BIRTHMARK'S WORK IN LOUISIANA CAUGHT THE ATTENTION OF EVERY 186 00:21:56,148 --> 00:22:01,520 MOTHER COUNTS. >> A MATERNAL ADVOCACY GROUP FOUNDED BY MODEL CHRISTY TURLINGTON AFTER SHE SUFFERED 187 00:22:01,586 --> 00:22:05,757 COMPLICATIONS WITH THE BIRTH OF HER DAUGHTER IN 2003. >> I HEMORRHAGED. THERE WAS A LOT OF BLOOD. 188 00:22:05,824 --> 00:22:11,630 THERE WAS A WHOLE SORT OF STREAM OF THINGS THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN. >> REALLY SCARY. >> SCARY AND PAINFUL. 189 00:22:11,697 --> 00:22:18,570 BUT IT WAS WHEN I GOT HOME AND REALLY STARTED TO THINK. WHAT ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD THAT THIS HAPPENS TO BUT 190 00:22:18,637 --> 00:22:26,044 DOESN'T HAVE THAT TEAM OF CARE WORKING TOGETHER, UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING AND ACTIVELY MANAGING IT? 191 00:22:26,111 --> 00:22:33,518 >> THOSE QUESTIONS LED TURLINGTON AROUND THE WORLD TO DOCUMENT THE CHALLENGES WOMEN FACE GIVING BIRTH, STORIES OF 192 00:22:33,585 --> 00:22:40,459 MIDWIVES IN HAITI AND MOTHERS IN BATON ROUGE. >> HOW DO YOU COMPARE U.S. MATERNAL HEALTHCARE TO MATERNAL 193 00:22:40,525 --> 00:22:48,967 HEALTHCARE IN THE REST OF THE WORLD? >> WELL, THE U.S. IS ONE OF EIGHT COUNTRIES THAT HAVE 194 00:22:49,034 --> 00:22:54,306 ACTUALLY HAD AN INCREASE IN MATERNAL MORTALITY. SO, WE'RE CERTAINLY AT THE BOTTOM RUNG. 195 00:22:54,372 --> 00:22:58,577 >> LAST YEAR, EVERY MOTHER COUNTS DISTRIBUTED MORE THAN A MILLION DOLLARS TO GROUPS FOCUSED ON STRENGTHENING 196 00:22:58,643 --> 00:23:06,084 MATERNAL CARE IN THE U.S., A MISSION THAT BECAME EVEN MORE DIFFICULT LAST SUMMER. AFTER ROE VERSUS WADE WAS 197 00:23:06,151 --> 00:23:14,092 OVERTURNED BY THE SUPREME COURT IN JUNE, LOUISIANA IMPLEMENTED A SWEEPING ABORTION BAN. THE BAN SET OFF A DOMINO EFFECT 198 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:22,634 ACROSS THE STATE IMPACTING WOMEN LIKE KAITLYN JOSHUA, A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. >> JOSHUA AND HER HUSBAND WERE 199 00:23:22,701 --> 00:23:27,973 THRILLED TO LEARN SHE WAS PREGNANT LAST SUMMER. THE COUPLE HAVE A 4-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND WERE LOOKING 200 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:33,545 FORWARD TO EXPANDING THEIR FAMILY. >> WE STARTED EXPERIENCING CRAMPING. 201 00:23:33,612 --> 00:23:39,951 I, YOU KNOW, LOST A LOT OF BLOOD. >> SHE TOLD US SHE WENT TO WOMAN'S HOSPITAL IN BATON ROUGE 202 00:23:40,018 --> 00:23:43,989 WHERE THEY DID AN ULTRASOUND, EXAMINED AND MONITORED HER. JOSHUA SAYS, THAT'S WHERE THE TREATMENT ENDED. 203 00:23:44,055 --> 00:23:48,760 >> AND SO I SAID, "OKAY, SO IS THIS A MISCARRIAGE?" AND THE YOUNG LADY, SHE SAID, "I -- I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU 204 00:23:48,827 --> 00:23:53,565 THAT RIGHT NOW. I DON'T KNOW." AND I SAID, "WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T KNOW? 205 00:23:53,632 --> 00:23:57,836 WE DID THE ULTRASOUND." I RECALL HER SAYING, "WE'RE JUST SENDING YOU HOME WITH PRAYERS, WE'RE GOING TO HOPE FOR THE 206 00:23:57,903 --> 00:24:02,174 BEST." >> SO YOU'RE IN PAIN. >> UH-HUH. >> YOU THINK YOU'RE MISCARRYING, 207 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:08,013 AND THEY SAY, "WE'RE GOING TO SEND YOU HOME WITH PRAYERS?" >> YES. YOU KNOW WE'RE CHRISTIANS TOO, 208 00:24:08,079 --> 00:24:11,783 LIKE, WE PRAY BUT IT JUST WAS VERY INSULTING IN THE MOMENT JUST BECAUSE WOMEN COME THERE FOR ANSWERS. 209 00:24:11,850 --> 00:24:21,393 SO, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO GET A DEFINITE RESPONSE. >> WOMAN'S HOSPITAL TOLD "60 MINUTES," "IT'S COMPLEX WHEN 210 00:24:21,459 --> 00:24:26,164 DIAGNOSES OF EARLY PREGNANCY LOSS IS UNCLEAR, THE STANDARD OF CARE IS TO WAIT." THE NEXT KAY, KAITLYN JOSHUA 211 00:24:26,231 --> 00:24:33,104 TOLD US HER PAIN BECAME UNBEARABLE, SO SHE SOUGHT CARE FROM A SECOND HOSPITAL, BATON ROUGE GENERAL, WHERE A DOCTOR 212 00:24:33,171 --> 00:24:38,543 ORDERED ANOTHER ULTRASOUND. >> SHE STRAIGHT UP SAID, "THIS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A BABY AT ALL. ARE YOU SURE YOU WERE EVER 213 00:24:38,610 --> 00:24:43,248 PREGNANT? THIS JUST LOOKS LIKE A CYST." >> WAIT. SHE -- 214 00:24:43,315 --> 00:24:48,053 >> YEAH. >> SHE QUESTIONED WHETHER YOU WERE PREGNANT OR NOT? >> ABSOLUTELY. 215 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:55,493 AND THEY DISCHARGED ME MAYBE WITHIN AN HOUR AND A HALF OR SO AFTER MONITORING ME. AND ON THE PAPERWORK, IT 216 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,298 LITERALLY SAID, "POTENTIAL MISCARRIAGE" OR "POSSIBLE MISCARRIAGE," BUT NOTHING DEFINITE. 217 00:25:00,365 --> 00:25:04,636 >> KNOWING WHAT YOU KNOW NOW ABOUT WHAT YOUR BODY WAS GOING THROUGH, COULD YOU HAVE DIED? >> WHEN I FINALLY DID GET CARE 218 00:25:04,703 --> 00:25:09,407 FROM A MIDWIFE ON, LIKE, DAY FIVE, SHE SAID THAT YOU CERTAINLY COULD HAVE DIED. SHE SAID, "THE AMOUNT OF BLOOD 219 00:25:09,474 --> 00:25:15,313 YOU LOST, THE AMOUNT OF FLUIDS THAT YOU WERE PASSING WAS A LOT FOR SOMEONE IN SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME." 220 00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:21,186 >> WHY DO YOU THINK THERE WAS SUCH FEROCIOUS PUSHBACK FROM NOT ONE, BUT TWO HOSPITALS? >> I JUST HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT 221 00:25:21,253 --> 00:25:28,126 IT IS JUST THE VAGUENESS OF THE ABORTION BAN IN THIS STATE THAT'S CAUSED SO MUCH FEAR AROUND PHYSICIANS DOING THEIR 222 00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:33,431 JOB. >> WE REACHED OUT TO BATON ROUGE GENERAL, THEY TOLD US, "EVERY PATIENT IS DIFFERENT," AND THAT 223 00:25:33,498 --> 00:25:39,304 SINCE THE BAN THEY HAVE "NOT CHANGED THE WAY THEY MANAGE MISCARRIAGES OR THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE" TO TREAT THEM. 224 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:48,380 THE HOSPITAL LEFT JOSHUA WITH ONE OPTION, TO TAKE TYLENOL AND MONITOR FOR WORSENING SYMPTOMS. IN LOUISIANA, SOME PHYSICIANS 225 00:25:48,446 --> 00:25:55,320 ARE NOW AFRAID TO OFFER METHODS TYPICALLY USED TO TREAT MISCARRIAGES BECAUSE THOSE SAME METHODS ARE USED IN ABORTION AND 226 00:25:55,387 --> 00:26:02,894 COULD BE SEEN AS ILLEGAL, POTENTIALLY LANDING HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS IN JAIL. >> TO BE CLEAR, YOU WERE NOT 227 00:26:02,961 --> 00:26:07,632 SEEKING ABORTION. >> UH-HUH. >> YOU WERE TRYING TO HAVE A HEALTHY BABY. 228 00:26:07,699 --> 00:26:12,971 YOU NEEDED CARE AND NOBODY WOULD TOUCH YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE FAIL 229 00:26:13,038 --> 00:26:17,776 TO REALIZE THE INTERSECTIONALITY BETWEEN MATERNAL HEALTHCARE, REPRODUCTIVE JUSTICE, AND ABORTION CARE. 230 00:26:17,842 --> 00:26:24,182 UNTIL WE UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS INTERCONNECT, WE PROBABLY WILL NOT SEE CHANGE ANY TIME SOON. 231 00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:32,190 >> WE TAKE AN OATH TO DO NO HARM, AND THAT'S REALLY OUR NORTH STAR AS A PHYSICIAN. BUT WHEN THE PROSPECT OF DOING 232 00:26:32,257 --> 00:26:38,029 THAT MIGHT CAUSE YOU TO BE BROUGHT UP ON CRIMINAL CHARGES, THAT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT PLACE FOR OUR PHYSICIANS TO BE. 233 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:45,503 >> DR. JENNIFER AVEGNO HAS BEEN AN E.R. DOCTOR FOR 22 YEARS AND IS THE CURRENT DIRECTOR OF THE NEW ORLEANS HEALTH DEPARTMENT. 234 00:26:45,570 --> 00:26:54,045 LAST SUMMER, ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF LANDRY SENT A LETTER TO DOCTORS ABOUT THE NEW ABORTION BAN THAT AVEGNO SAYS PARALYZED 235 00:26:54,112 --> 00:27:00,952 MATERNAL HEALTHCARE ACROSS THE STATE. >> THE LETTER WAS SOMETHING THAT I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE AS A 236 00:27:01,019 --> 00:27:09,561 PRACTICING PHYSICIAN. A NONMEDICAL LAYPERSON INSERTING THEMSELVES INTO MEDICAL CARE. AND THERE WAS A DIRECT LINE 237 00:27:09,627 --> 00:27:17,569 ABOUT ANY PHYSICIAN WHO VIOLATES THIS WILL LOSE THEIR LIBERTY AND MEDICAL LICENSE. AND SO REALLY IT WAS A THREAT. 238 00:27:17,635 --> 00:27:23,441 >> WHAT KIND OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES DOES A DOCTOR FACE? >> AT LEAST ONE YEAR AND UP TO TEN YEARS OF IMPRISONMENT WITH 239 00:27:23,508 --> 00:27:31,983 HARD LABOR. >> THIS IS ABOUT GOING TO JAIL -- >> THIS IS ABOUT GOING TO JAIL. 240 00:27:32,050 --> 00:27:37,288 DOCTORS DON'T WANT TO BE IN A WAR WITH THEIR OWN STATE. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO JUST PRACTICE. 241 00:27:37,355 --> 00:27:42,627 >> AS THE NEW ORLEANS HEALTH DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, DR. AVEGNO HAS SEEN HOW DOCTORS ARE STRUGGLING TO INTERPRET THE 242 00:27:42,694 --> 00:27:47,966 LANGUAGE OF LOUISIANA'S NEW ABORTION BAN. >> WHAT THEY'RE BEING TOLD IS, WELL, YOU CAN CONSULT WITH THE 243 00:27:48,033 --> 00:27:53,838 HOSPITAL ATTORNEY. BUT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY OTHER DISEASE OR PROCESS WHERE ROUTINELY YOU'RE BEING TOLD, 244 00:27:53,905 --> 00:27:58,643 WE'LL GET THE HOSPITAL ATTORNEY INVOLVED. THAT ALSO BRINGS UP WHAT IF THE ATTORNEY ADVISES SOMETHING THAT 245 00:27:58,710 --> 00:28:08,319 THE PHYSICIAN REALLY FEELS IS HARMFUL. SO, REALLY, WHAT OUR PHYSICIANS ARE FACING IS A TERRIBLE CHOICE, 246 00:28:08,386 --> 00:28:15,760 TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT MIGHT NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PATIENT, OR RISK GOING TO JAIL. >> WE REACHED OUT TO THREE URBAN 247 00:28:15,827 --> 00:28:22,700 HOSPITALS, RURAL HOSPITALS, PROVIDERS. AND THEY SAID, WE'D LOVE TO TALK TO YOU, BUT WE'RE AFRAID. 248 00:28:22,767 --> 00:28:28,873 >> YES. THAT HAS BEEN THE CONSISTENT ECHO FROM PROVIDERS. THERE ARE SEVERAL PROVIDERS I 249 00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:34,446 THINK THAT WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK OUT BUT WERE TOLD BY THEIR HOSPITALS THAT IT'S TOO RISKY. >> SO WHY ARE YOU SITTING HERE 250 00:28:34,512 --> 00:28:39,217 TODAY? >> I AM CONCERNED THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEE A WORSENING OF OUR MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY RATES. 251 00:28:39,284 --> 00:28:43,254 SIMPLY BECAUSE OF ACCESS AND SIMPLY BECAUSE OF FEAR. 252 00:28:54,432 --> 00:29:01,873 >>> YANNICK NEZET-SEGUIN IS A CONDUCTOR OPERATING AT TRIPLE TEMPO, AT ONCE THE DIRECTOR OF THREE MAJOR ORCHESTRAS IN 253 00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:09,314 PHILADELPHIA, IN HIS HOMETOWN OF MONTREAL AND AT THE METROPOLITAN OPERA IN NEW YORK, WHICH HAS PINNED ON HIM THE HOPES FOR 254 00:29:09,380 --> 00:29:15,720 REBOUNDING FROM FINANCIAL CRISIS AND THE BOLD REVAMPING OF ITS ARTISTIC MISSION. NOT THAT YOU'LL CATCH 255 00:29:15,787 --> 00:29:23,194 NEZET-SEGUIN SWEATING IT. AT 48, HE'S OBLITERATING THE STEREOTYPE OF THE STRICT, UNAPPROACHABLE MAESTRO, JOYFULLY 256 00:29:23,261 --> 00:29:31,736 KEEPING HIS MUSICIANS IN TIME, HIS HAIR BLEACHED PLATINUM BLONDE AND A SMILE ALL BUT WELDED TO HIS FACE. 257 00:29:31,803 --> 00:29:38,109 KNOWN AS MUCH FOR HIS VERSATILITY AS HIS VIRTUOSITY, NEZET-SEGUIN, AS WE FIRST TOLD YOU IN MAY, IS RE-IMAGINING THE 258 00:29:38,176 --> 00:29:47,051 ROLE OF THE MODERN ORCHESTRA, AND ITS PLACE IN THE SOUNDTRACK OF THE MODERN CITY. ♪ 259 00:29:47,118 --> 00:29:53,458 ♪ YOU'D BE FORGIVEN FOR DOUBLE-CHECKING YOUR TICKET TO MAKE SURE YOU WEREN'T AT MADISON 260 00:29:53,525 --> 00:30:00,431 SQUARE GARDEN. THIS IS NEW YORK'S METROPOLITAN OPERA. AND IN THIS CORNER, THE MAESTRO, 261 00:30:00,498 --> 00:30:14,279 YANNICK NEZET-SEGUIN, ONLY THE THIRD MUSIC DIRECTOR IN THE MET'S 140-YEAR HISTORY. >> HE'S CONDUCTING A 262 00:30:14,345 --> 00:30:20,151 JAZZ-INFUSED OPERA ABOUT A REAL-LIFE BOXING CHAMPION OF THE 1960s AND '70s. ALL THIS IS A RADICAL KEY CHANGE 263 00:30:20,218 --> 00:30:30,795 FROM THE STANDARD MET LINEUP OF PUCCINI AND VERDI AND WAGNER. ♪ NEZET-SEGUIN'S EYES REACH 264 00:30:30,862 --> 00:30:37,168 MUSICIANS IN THE PIT AND VOCALISTS ON STAGE, SEEMINGLY ALL AT ONCE. THE BOUNCE IN HIS BATON 265 00:30:37,235 --> 00:30:45,710 CONSECRATES EVERY NOTE. >> IT'S THE CATHARTIC MOMENT WHERE, "OH, MY GOD, THIS IS SO AMAZING. THIS IS SO IMPRESSIVE. 266 00:30:45,777 --> 00:30:53,685 THIS IS SO INTENSE. THIS IS SO EMOTIONAL." AND THIS CATHARTIC EXPERIENCE WE FEEL TRANSFORMED AS A DIFFERENT 267 00:30:53,751 --> 00:31:03,394 PERSON BEFORE AND AFTER LISTENING TO THESE PIECES. >> THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING SACRED ABOUT YOUR MAKING MUSIC. 268 00:31:03,461 --> 00:31:07,131 AM I OVERSTATING THAT? >> NO. NO, YOU'RE NOT. I TRY NEVER TO TAKE MYSELF TOO 269 00:31:07,198 --> 00:31:12,570 SERIOUSLY. BUT MUSIC HAS TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. >> A PIANIST BY TRAINING WHO'S 270 00:31:12,637 --> 00:31:17,775 CONDUCTED THE GREAT PHILHARMONICS OF EUROPE, NEZET-SEGUIN BRINGS HIS SENSIBILITY TO BEAR UP AND DOWN 271 00:31:17,842 --> 00:31:28,453 THE EASTERN SEABOARD. IN PHILADELPHIA, HE IS THE CURRENT CUSTODIAN OF WHAT'S BEEN A WORLD-RENOWNED ORCHESTRA FOR 272 00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:33,758 MORE THAN A CENTURY. WE VISITED IN FEBRUARY, AS THE CITY CELEBRATED THE CONTRACT EXTENSION THROUGH 2030 OF A 273 00:31:33,825 --> 00:31:43,434 MAESTRO KNOWN TO ALL BY HIS FIRST NAME. THAT MORNING, YANNIYK AND HIS MUSICIANS MADE THE PILGRIMAGE UP 274 00:31:43,501 --> 00:31:49,240 THE FAMED ROCKY STEPS, CLAD IN EAGLES GEAR. HE SEES THE ORCHESTRA -- NOT UNLIKE A SPORTS TEAM -- AS AN 275 00:31:49,307 --> 00:31:54,045 INSTRUMENT OF COHESION IN THE COMMUNITY. >> HEY. HI, EVERYONE, HI! 276 00:31:54,112 --> 00:31:59,984 >> IN THE AFTERNOON, NEZET-SEGUIN STOPPED BY PHILLY'S PREMIER PERFORMING ARTS HIGH SCHOOL TO GUEST CONDUCT THE 277 00:32:00,051 --> 00:32:09,093 STUDENTS. >> I THINK IF WE WERE TO AGREE TO BITE EVEN MORE IN EVERY NOTE LIKE TA TA TA TA TA TA TA. 278 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:18,136 ♪ ♪ >> THAT'S IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! 279 00:32:18,202 --> 00:32:26,711 >> 450 MILES DUE NORTH, BACK HOME IN MONTREAL, THEY SPEAK HIS LANGUAGE IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE. HE HAS A LIFETIME CONTRACT WITH 280 00:32:26,778 --> 00:32:33,618 THE ORCHESTRE METROPOLITAIN. NEZET-SEGUIN HAS LED THESE MUSICIANS FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, THAT'S HIS HUSBAND 281 00:32:33,685 --> 00:32:41,626 PIERRE TOUREVILLE ON VIOLA. THE DEPTH OF HIS CONNECTION HERE PRODUCES HYPNOTIC SOUND. LISTEN TO THIS, A REHEARSAL IN 282 00:32:41,693 --> 00:32:59,610 SIBELIUS' FIFTH SYMPHONY. ♪ ♪ SOME WEEKS YANNICK LEADS 283 00:32:59,677 --> 00:33:04,982 PERFORMANCES IN ALL THREE CITIES. JUST LAST SATURDAY, HE CONDUCTED A MATINEE IN NEW YORK AND THE 284 00:33:05,049 --> 00:33:12,457 EVENING PROGRAM IN PHILLY. THEN AGAIN, WHAT IS A CONDUCTOR IF NOT SOMEONE ABLE TO SYNCHRONIZE? 285 00:33:12,523 --> 00:33:20,998 >> I CAN'T DENY THAT IT'S A VERY DEMANDING SCHEDULE. AND EVEN THE WORD "SCHEDULE" IF SHOULD I EVER RETIRE, I WANT TO 286 00:33:21,065 --> 00:33:27,939 BAN THAT WORD FROM MY LIFE. >> DO YOU HAVE A FAVORITE CHILD AMONG THE THREE ORCHESTRAS YOU CONDUCT? 287 00:33:28,005 --> 00:33:38,116 >> YOU CANNOT ASK ME THIS. >> YET ONE CHILD IN PARTICULAR -- AND ISN'T THIS ALWAYS THE CASE? -- DEMANDS 288 00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:46,624 EXTRA ATTENTION AND TLC. >> CAN WE HAVE MORE IMPORTANCE IN THE THIRD... >> AT THE MET, THE COUNTRY'S 289 00:33:46,691 --> 00:33:53,531 LARGEST PERFORMING ARTS INSTITUTION, WE WATCHED HIM WRANGLE 250 MUSICIANS AND SINGERS FOR A PRODUCTION OF 290 00:33:53,598 --> 00:34:01,172 WAGNER'S LOHENGRIN, A STALWART OPERA THAT GAVE US THE BRIDAL CHORUS. ♪ 291 00:34:01,239 --> 00:34:07,111 AND NEZET-SEGUIN'S INTERPRETATIONS DO RIGHT BY THE MASTERS. >> WHAT I WANT IS TO RESPECT 292 00:34:07,178 --> 00:34:14,252 WHAT WAGNER WROTE IN THE SCORE. ♪ >> SO IT'S VERY POETIC AND MAGICAL. 293 00:34:14,318 --> 00:34:20,658 WHAT'S REALLY INDIVIDUAL IS ME BEING COMPLETELY AT THE SERVICE OF THE COMPOSER. >> YANNICK TOOK OVER THE PODIUM 294 00:34:20,725 --> 00:34:26,497 HERE IN 2018, AFTER HIS PREDECESSOR WAS FIRED FOR ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. 295 00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:32,370 FACING WEAK TICKET SALES AND PERPETUALLY STRAPPED FOR CASH, THE MET HAS HAD A HARD TIME REBOUNDING FROM COVID AND HAS 296 00:34:32,437 --> 00:34:39,844 DIPPED INTO ITS ENDOWMENT TO COVER AROUND 10% OF ITS $300 MILLION OPERATING BUDGET. >> MAESTRO TO THE PIT, PLEASE. 297 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:47,285 >> THEY'VE TRIED COURTING A YOUNGER, MORE DIVERSE CROWD HERE BEFORE, BUT NEZET-SEGUIN IS DOING IT PRESTISSIMO, SPEEDING 298 00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:53,691 UP THE TEMPO OF CHANGE. HE'S BETTING THAT NEW COMPOSERS AND CONTEMPORARY OPERAS -- SOME ADAPTED FROM BESTSELLING BOOKS 299 00:34:53,758 --> 00:35:00,097 AND HOLLYWOOD HITS -- WILL BRING IN A WIDER AUDIENCE AND SHORE UP THE BOTTOM LINE. >> AND EARLY RESULTS SUGGEST 300 00:35:00,164 --> 00:35:07,472 HE'S RIGHT. ♪ >> A RECENT PREMIERE OF THE OPERA "FIRE SHUT UP IN MY BONES" 301 00:35:07,538 --> 00:35:13,911 -- BASED ON A MEMOIR BY JOURNALIST CHARLES BLOW AND COMPOSED BY JAZZ LEGEND TERENCE BLANCHARD -- SOLD OUT AND 302 00:35:13,978 --> 00:35:21,886 OUTSOLD VERDI'S CLASSIC RIGOLETTO HERE THAT SEASON. WHAT'S MORE, HALF THE SEATS WERE FILLED BY FIRST-TIME MET GOERS. 303 00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:30,962 >> IT'S GREAT, SUCH A SUCCESS. AND YET I'M THINKING THAT MEANS THAT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE NEVER FELT COMPELLED, OR, DARE I SAY, 304 00:35:31,028 --> 00:35:39,504 WELCOME TO COME HERE. AND THAT IS MY MISSION. >> FIRST TIMERS WERE 50%. YOU SAW THAT AS BOTH A TRIUMPH 305 00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:44,809 BUT ALSO SOUNDS LIKE AN -- AN INDICTMENT. >> MOSTLY IT'S A TREMENDOUS ENCOURAGEMENT TO CONTINUE IN 306 00:35:44,876 --> 00:35:51,749 THAT VEIN. >> THE MET WILL PUT ON 17 NEW AND RECENT WORKS OVER THE NEXT FIVE SEASONS, THIS AT A PLACE 307 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:59,724 THAT ONCE WENT NEAR DECADES WITHOUT STAGING A NEW OPERA. THIS SPRING BROUGHT "CHAMPION," ANOTHER TERENCE BLANCHARD 308 00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:03,528 COMPOSITION BASED ON THE COMPLICATED LIFE OF EMILE GRIFFITH, A BISEXUAL PRIZEFIGHTER. 309 00:36:03,594 --> 00:36:12,069 >> WHAT CAN'T YOU WRITE AN OPERA ABOUT? >> NOTHING. >> HOW DO YOU THREAD THAT NEEDLE 310 00:36:12,136 --> 00:36:17,942 BETWEEN EXPERIMENTING AND BRINGING IN NEW AUDIENCES, BUT ALSO NOT UPSETTING THE TRADITIONALISTS? 311 00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:25,416 >> THE TRUTH IS I'M NOT NECESSARILY CONCERNED ABOUT NOT UPSETTING TRADITIONALISTS. I THINK PEOPLE WHO LOVE OUR ART 312 00:36:25,483 --> 00:36:31,255 FORM ARE STILL GOING TO LOVE IT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL GOING TO PLAY SOME PUCCINI AND VERDI. TO ME, IT'S -- IT'S NEVER ABOUT 313 00:36:31,322 --> 00:36:36,093 NOT UPSETTING. AND IF SOME PEOPLE ARE UPSET, WELL, TOO BAD. THEY JUST DON'T HAVE TO COME TO 314 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:42,500 EVERYTHING WE DO. >> AND THAT'S ABOUT AS PRICKLY AS YOU'LL HEAR HIM GET, BEYOND YANNICK'S MUSICIANSHIP, HIS REAL 315 00:36:42,567 --> 00:36:48,839 HALLMARK MIGHT BE HIS LIGHT TOUCH. >> OKAY, LET'S DO IT ONE MORE TIME. 316 00:36:48,906 --> 00:36:53,678 >> TAKE THIS REHEARSAL FOR "CHAMPION," THE FIRST-TIME THE ORCHESTRA, RHYTHM SECTION, AND SINGERS PLAYED THE PIECE 317 00:36:53,744 --> 00:36:59,016 TOGETHER, BUT ALSO THAT RARE COLLABORATION BETWEEN A CONDUCTOR AND A LIVING COMPOSER. >> HE GETS IT. 318 00:36:59,083 --> 00:37:04,388 >> TERENCE BLANCHARD, A SEVEN-TIME GRAMMY WINNER, IS THE FIRST BLACK COMPOSER IN THE MET'S HISTORY. 319 00:37:04,455 --> 00:37:12,964 >> HE GETS THE STORY. HE GETS THE WHOLE NOTION OF BRINGING THESE DIFFERENT STYLES OF MUSIC TOGETHER. 320 00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:18,836 >> ONE OF THE REHEARSALS WITH THE ORCHESTRA, HE SAID, "LISTEN, DON'T FOLLOW ME, LISTEN TO THE DRUMS." 321 00:37:18,903 --> 00:37:24,141 MOST CONDUCTORS DON'T DO THAT. >> I'M THERE FOR YOU, OKAY, COOL. >> WE SAW FIRSTHAND YANNICK'S 322 00:37:24,208 --> 00:37:41,192 RESPONSIVENESS WHEN SOPRANO LATONIA MOORE ASKED HIM TO SLOW THINGS DOWN. CAN WE DO IT A HAIR SLOWER? 323 00:37:41,258 --> 00:37:46,530 I JUST WANT TO REALLY GET EVERYTHING OUT. >> YEAH. SO, RIGHT FROM THE BASS. 324 00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:51,869 >> IS THERE A WORRY, THOUGH, THAT YOUR AUTHORITY MIGHT BE UNDERCUT BY ALL THESE GOOD VIBES? 325 00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:57,208 >> I THINK IT'S THE OLD CONCEPT OF AUTHORITY, WHICH IS BECAUSE I SAY SO AND BECAUSE I CAN FIRE YOU, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT 326 00:37:57,274 --> 00:38:02,613 TO DO. THAT'S NOT WORKING ANYMORE. AND I WILL GO EVEN FURTHER. EVEN THE MASTERS OF THE PAST, 327 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:08,452 TOSCANINI, FOR EXAMPLE, FANTASTIC MUSICIAN. OF COURSE I RESPECT A LOT OF THIS. 328 00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:14,859 BUT YOU CAN HEAR WITH SOME RECORDINGS WITH TOSCANINI, ESPECIALLY WITH SINGERS. YOU COULD HEAR THE FEAR IN THEIR 329 00:38:14,925 --> 00:38:24,035 VOICE. AND, TO ME, THAT'S NOT EXPRESSIVE. >> YOU CAN DISCERN THAT? 330 00:38:24,101 --> 00:38:28,305 >> OH YEAH. OH, I'M SURE YOU COULD. LIKE THEY'RE TREMBLING, BECAUSE THEY FEAR. 331 00:38:28,372 --> 00:38:33,144 BECAUSE ALREADY TO OPEN YOUR MOUTH ON THE STAGE IS ALREADY NERVE-WRACKING. IF YOU HAVE A CONDUCTOR WHO IS 332 00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:41,118 WAITING FOR YOU TO FAIL, IT'S GOING TO BE EVEN MORE NERVE-WRACKING. THE MUSIC DOESN'T WIN. 333 00:38:41,185 --> 00:38:49,026 >> THE MUSIC WINS WHEN EVERYBODY FEELS FREE TO EXPRESS WHO THEY ARE. >> YANNICK FOUND THAT FREEDOM 334 00:38:49,093 --> 00:38:55,266 FOR HIMSELF AS EARLY AS GRADE SCHOOL, HERE HE IS LEADING AN IMAGINARY ORCHESTRA IN FRONT OF CLASSMATES. 335 00:38:55,332 --> 00:39:02,540 HE STUDIED AT THE CONSERVATORY IN MONTREAL, A MUSIC TOWN WITH A CHURCH ON EVERY CORNER. HE LED THE CHURCH CHOIR IN HIS 336 00:39:02,606 --> 00:39:09,480 TEENS AND TRAINED HIS EAR IN LESS FORMAL WAYS, TOO. >> I WOULD GO TO A RECORD STORE AND BUY CDs AND DISCOVER 337 00:39:09,547 --> 00:39:16,420 REPERTOIRE AFTER REPERTOIRE, EVERY SYMPHONY BY BRAHMS, EVERY SYMPHONY BY BEETHOVEN, BY BRUCKNER, BY MAHLER. 338 00:39:16,487 --> 00:39:22,793 I WANTED THEN TO HEAR EVERY VERSION AND BUY EVERY VERSION OF EVERY SYMPHONY. AND IM NOT SHY TO SAY THAT 339 00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:30,234 IT -- IT'S SHAPED A LOT OF WHO I AM AS A MUSICIAN. BECAUSE EVENTUALLY IT BECAME A COLLECTION OF, LIKE, 12,000 CDs. 340 00:39:30,301 --> 00:39:36,974 >> LAST WINTER, WE VISITED HIS PARENTS AT YANNICK'S CHILDHOOD HOME, THE KIND OF FOLKS WHO KEEP EVERY CLIPPING. 341 00:39:37,041 --> 00:39:44,615 >> YANNICK TOLD US WHEN HE WAS A BOY HE COLLECTED THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS, MAYBE 10,000, CDs. >> YEAH -- 342 00:39:44,682 --> 00:39:49,987 >> OH, MORE THAN THAT. >> HE WASN'T EXAGGERATING? >> OH, NO, NO, NO. >> NOT AT ALL. 343 00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:55,326 >> WHERE DID YOU PUT THEM? >> HE MADE THE SHELVES FOR HIM. [ LAUGHTER ] >> AND IT WAS HIS MOM WHO 344 00:39:55,392 --> 00:40:00,631 MANAGED YANNICK'S SCHEDULE THROUGHOUT HIS 30s, AS HE WORKED THE INTERNATIONAL CIRCUIT, LONDON, VIENNA, ROTTERDAM, GUEST 345 00:40:00,698 --> 00:40:09,707 CONDUCTING 100 ORCHESTRAS. >> HE MADE HIS MET DEBUT IN 2009, PERSISTENCE PAYING OFF. AND IF TODAY HE'S LIVING THE 346 00:40:09,774 --> 00:40:17,681 DREAM, HE'S ALSO CONSCIOUS TO LIVE HIS LIFE, HE AND PIERRE GO ON THE ROAD TOGETHER. WE MET THEM AT A SPOT IN OLD 347 00:40:17,748 --> 00:40:23,587 MONTREAL, WHERE THEY HAD CELEBRATED THEIR WEDDING. THEY MAKE A POINT OF GOING OUT AFTER EVERY PERFORMANCE. 348 00:40:23,654 --> 00:40:34,265 >> FRIENDS, FAMILY, MEMBERS OF THE ORCHESTRA -- >> COLLEAGUES -- >> SOME PEOPLE TOGETHER TO EAT 349 00:40:34,331 --> 00:40:42,773 WELL AND DRINK A LITTLE. >> OF ALL THE MUSICAL MOMENTS IN THE COUPLE'S HISTORY, WE WERE SURPRISED WHEN YANNICK 350 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,578 HIGHLIGHTED THIS ONE -- THE TIME PIERRE AND CELINE DION SERENADED HIM ON A POPULAR QUEBEC TALK SHOW, A KIND OF MUSICAL "THIS IS 351 00:40:47,645 --> 00:40:55,019 YOUR LIFE." >> OF COURSE, IT'S ONE OF THE MOST MOVING MOMENTS OF MY LIFE. >> NOT EVERYBODY CAN SAY THAT 352 00:40:55,085 --> 00:41:00,925 THEY'VE SUNG A -- >> DUET -- >> DUET WITH CELINE -- [ LAUGHTER ] 353 00:41:00,991 --> 00:41:06,297 >> BOCELLI AND BARBRA STREISAND AND, YEAH, THAT'S -- >> AND PIERRE -- >> -- PAVAROTTI -- 354 00:41:06,363 --> 00:41:11,635 >> AND PIERRE. [ LAUGHTER ] AND PAVAROTTI. >> WOW. 355 00:41:11,702 --> 00:41:15,906 >> MAYBE IT'S A HARD TURN FOR CELINE TO THE MET FOR MOST CONDUCTORS, NOT SO FOR YANNICK NEZET-SEGUIN. 356 00:41:15,973 --> 00:41:20,177 YES, HE TAKES MUSIC SERIOUSLY, BUT RESISTS BEING TOO PRECIOUS ABOUT IT. >> YOU HAVE TO TRUST THE 357 00:41:20,244 --> 00:41:26,050 ACOUSTICS. >> HE'S TOO BUSY SMUDGING BOUNDARIES THAT HAVE LONG KEPT SOME AUDIENCES AWAY FROM 358 00:41:26,116 --> 00:41:39,697 CLASSICAL MUSIC AND OPERA. ♪ >> I WOULD LOVE THAT WHEN I FINISH MY TIME ON EARTH THAT NO 359 00:41:39,763 --> 00:41:43,434 ONE EVER SAYS AGAIN, "OH, CLASSICAL MUSIC IS NOT FOR ME. IT'S FOR THE EDUCATED. IT'S FOR THE RICH. 360 00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:49,874 IT'S FOR THE WHITE." WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, I WANT EVERYONE TO FEEL, "OH, YEAH, I COULD LIKE IT, SOME OF IT. 361 00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:55,713 I DON'T LIKE MOZART BUT I LIKE BLANCHARD." FINE, BUT AT LEAST YOU FEEL THAT YOU COULD GO THERE BECAUSE THERE 362 00:41:55,779 --> 00:42:01,585 WOULD BE SOMETHING FOR YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> WHAT WOULD PUCCINI AND VERDI AND WAGNER MAKE OF ALL THIS? 363 00:42:01,652 --> 00:42:07,958 ONE SUSPECTS THEY WOULD JOIN IN THE APPLAUSE. THEY, AFTER ALL, WERE ONCE MUSICAL BOUNDARY-PUSHERS, TOO. 364 00:42:13,731 --> 00:42:26,911 >>> FOR A LOOK AT HOW "60 MINUTES" REPORTS ITS >>> I'M BILL WHITAKER. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH 365 00:42:26,977 --> 00:42:43,594 ANOTHER EDITION