1 00:00:11,010 --> 00:00:18,518 >>> WHEN A CEMETERY DISAPPEARS, WHAT IS LOST? >> HISTORY. >> A CEMETERY SUPPOSED TO BE 2 00:00:18,585 --> 00:00:23,990 YOUR FINAL RESTING PLACE. >> HONORABLE PLACE. >> FINAL. >> IN CLEARWATER, FLORIDA, 3 00:00:24,057 --> 00:00:33,833 THEY'RE DEBATING HOW TO HONOR THE DEAD NOW ENTOMBED BENEATH A SCHOOL, MISSOURI AVENUE, AND AN OFFICE COMPLEX, AN ENDURING 4 00:00:33,900 --> 00:00:42,041 LEGACY OF SEGREGATION. >> TEAR DOWN THAT BUILDING, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED! >>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE MAIN 5 00:00:42,108 --> 00:00:51,317 WATER SOURCE FOR THE SOUTHWEST BEGINS TO RUN DRY? THE COLORADO RIVER SERVES 40 MILLION PEOPLE THEIR DRINKING 6 00:00:51,384 --> 00:01:02,929 WATER, POWERS THEIR HOMES, AND IRRIGATES 90% OF THE NATION'S WINTER FARMED GREENS. TO ALL THOSE DEMANDS ADD THE 7 00:01:02,996 --> 00:01:07,267 STRESS OF A 23-YEAR DROUGHT, AND YOU HAVE THE MAKINGS OF A CRISIS. >> THESE WHITE BATHTUB RINGS, IS 8 00:01:07,333 --> 00:01:14,374 THIS WHERE THE WATER USED TO BE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >>> CHARLES BARKLEY IS AN NBA HALL OF FAMER, WHO IN 9 00:01:14,441 --> 00:01:19,312 RETIREMENT -- >> YEAH ONLY THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY SUCK." >> -- ENDED UP REBOUNDING INTO A 10 00:01:19,379 --> 00:01:25,885 JOB THAT HAS MADE HIM ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AND COLORFUL SPORTS ANALYSTS EVER, YES, EVER. >> WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE PEOPLE 11 00:01:25,952 --> 00:01:37,297 WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU? >> I THINK THEY KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, I'M GOING TO BE FAIR, I DON'T HAVE A HIDDEN 12 00:01:37,363 --> 00:01:40,633 AGENDA. NOT MANY PEOPLE ON TV THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT. 13 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:43,736 CAPTIONING FUNDED BY CBS 14 00:01:43,803 --> 00:01:48,475 >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. 15 00:01:48,541 --> 00:01:53,947 >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60 16 00:01:54,013 --> 00:02:08,461 MINUTES." >>> NO ONE CAN SAY WHEN HUMAN REMAINS BEGAN SURFACING IN CLEARWATER, FLORIDA. 17 00:02:08,528 --> 00:02:17,170 THERE WAS THE PIPELINE CREW THAT CHURNED UP BONES IN A TRENCH. LATER, REMAINS OF THE DEAD WERE FOUND AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, A 18 00:02:17,237 --> 00:02:23,776 SWIMMING POOL, AND AN OFFICE BUILDING. IT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING OF A CURSE FOR WHAT HAD BEEN DONE IN 19 00:02:23,843 --> 00:02:30,850 THE NAME OF PROGRESS -- AND GREED -- IN THE OLD SEGREGATED SOUTH. AS WE FIRST REPORTED LAST FALL, 20 00:02:30,917 --> 00:02:39,092 THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE '40s AND '50s WAS MEANT TO STAY BURIED, BUT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED CLEARWATER 21 00:02:39,158 --> 00:02:48,835 HEIGHTS, RESIDENTS WITH LONG MEMORIES RECOGNIZED A GRAVE INJUSTICE. IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 20th 22 00:02:48,902 --> 00:02:55,408 CENTURY, CLEARWATER HEIGHTS WAS A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD -- THRIVING, PROUD AND ANCHORED BY FAITH. 23 00:02:55,475 --> 00:03:06,953 >> FRIENDSHIP MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, BETHANY C.M.E., AND NEW ZION MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH WERE ALL LOCATED ON THE HEIGHTS. 24 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:14,060 >> AND SO IS ST. MATTHEWS BAPTIST WHERE WE HEARD STORIES OF CHILDHOOD IN THE HEIGHTS INCLUDING THOSE OF DIANE 25 00:03:14,127 --> 00:03:21,701 STEPHENS AND ELEANOR BRELAND. >> THEY HAD BUSINESSES, BARBERSHOPS. THERE WERE HAIRDRESSERS OVER 26 00:03:21,768 --> 00:03:30,977 THERE. THERE WAS A CAB COMPANY. IT ONLY HAD ONE CAB, BUT IT WAS STILL A CAB COMPANY. 27 00:03:31,044 --> 00:03:36,983 >> RIGHT THERE ON GREENWOOD, THEY HAD DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE EVEN RAY CHARLES PERFORMED THERE. 28 00:03:37,050 --> 00:03:44,624 ALSO, JAMES BROWN PERFORMED UP THERE. >> BUT EVEN THE FAMOUS COULD NOT STAY IN A WHITE CLEARWATER 29 00:03:44,691 --> 00:03:51,731 HOTEL, OR WALK ON THE BEACH OR SWIM IN THE BAY. SEGREGATION BOUND THEIR LIVES AND EXILED EVEN THEIR MEMORY TO 30 00:03:51,798 --> 00:03:59,405 SEGREGATED GRAVEYARDS. >> HOW MANY OF YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE ANCESTORS IN ONE OF THESE CEMETERIES? 31 00:03:59,472 --> 00:04:09,849 ABOUT HALF OF YOU. >> THE SEGREGATED CEMETERIES OF CLEARWATER WERE SACRED GROUND UNTIL THE GROUND BECAME 32 00:04:09,916 --> 00:04:14,787 VALUABLE. IN THE 1950s, HEADLINES ANNOUNCED THAT THE CITY OF CLEARWATER MADE A DEAL ON MOVING 33 00:04:14,854 --> 00:04:24,597 A "NEGRO" CEMETERY. HUNDREDS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN BODIES WERE TO BE REBURIED TO MAKE WAY FOR A SWIMMING POOL. 34 00:04:24,664 --> 00:04:33,406 A DEPARTMENT STORE WAS PLANNED FOR THE SITE OF ANOTHER BLACK CEMETERY, WHERE, AGAIN, THE BODIES WERE TO BE MOVED. 35 00:04:33,473 --> 00:04:41,581 BUT O'NEAL LARKIN REMEMBERS, MANY YEARS LATER, HIS FIRST REVELATION THAT SOMETHING WAS TERRIBLY WRONG. 36 00:04:41,648 --> 00:04:47,587 >> IT'S NOT AN IMAGINARY THING THAT I SEEN. IT'S WHAT I SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES. 37 00:04:47,654 --> 00:04:58,531 >> LARKIN, 83 YEARS OLD, WATCHED A CONSTRUCTION CREW, IN 1984, DIG A TRENCH THROUGH THE SITE OF A "RELOCATED" BLACK CEMETERY. 38 00:04:58,598 --> 00:05:06,272 >> BUT I REMEMBER THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE ENGINEERS -- TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS CUTTING THE LINES THROUGH, AND THEY CUT 39 00:05:06,339 --> 00:05:15,014 THROUGH TWO COFFINS. THAT WAS MY FIRST KNOWLEDGE OF SEEING IT BECAUSE I WALKED OUT THERE, AND I SEEN IT MYSELF. 40 00:05:15,081 --> 00:05:23,756 >> IN 2019, THE TAMPA BAY TIMES REPORTED MANY SEGREGATED CEMETERIES IN FLORIDA HAD BEEN, ESSENTIALLY, PAVED. 41 00:05:23,823 --> 00:05:29,762 IT WAS THEN THAT THE MODERN CITY OF CLEARWATER DECIDED TO EXHUME THE TRUTH. >> PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE TREATED 42 00:05:29,829 --> 00:05:39,072 WITH RESPECT. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. >> REBECCA O'SULLIVAN AND ERIN McKENDRY ARE ARCHAEOLOGISTS FOR 43 00:05:39,138 --> 00:05:47,280 A COMPANY CALLED CARDNO. CARDNO WAS HIRED BY THE CITY TO MAP THE DESECRATION. >> THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE LOVED. 44 00:05:47,346 --> 00:05:54,921 THEY WERE FAMILY MEMBERS, THEY WERE FATHERS AND MOTHERS. AND THEY WERE INTERRED WITH LOVE. 45 00:05:54,987 --> 00:06:05,932 >> McKENDRY AND O'SULLIVAN PUSHED GROUND PENETRATING RADAR OVER A SEGREGATED CEMETERY WHERE THIS OFFICE SITE STANDS TODAY. 46 00:06:05,998 --> 00:06:16,309 THIS OVERLAY SHOWS PART OF THEIR DISCOVERY, 328 LIKELY GRAVES, MANY, UNDER THE PARKING LOT, PERHAPS A FEW UNDER THE BUILDING 47 00:06:16,375 --> 00:06:27,253 AND MORE THERE ON THE RIGHT BENEATH SOUTH MISSOURI AVENUE. 550 GRAVES ARE IN THE CEMETERY'S RECORD, McKENDRY AND O'SULLIVAN 48 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:36,028 FOUND EVIDENCE OF 11 HAVING BEEN MOVED IN THE 1950s. >> SO THERE MAY BE HUNDREDS OF BODIES STILL AT THAT SITE? 49 00:06:36,095 --> 00:06:44,203 >> IT'S POSSIBLE. >> NOT FAR AWAY, THE ARCHAEOLOGISTS PROBED ANOTHER FORMER CEMETERY. 50 00:06:44,270 --> 00:06:53,479 >> THERE'S MORE OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE INTACT GRAVES. >> HERE, IN THE 1950s, RATHER THAN INTEGRATE THE WHITE 51 00:06:53,546 --> 00:07:00,119 COMMUNITY POOL, THE CITY SAID IT WOULD MOVE HUNDREDS OF BODIES TO BUILD A BLACK SWIMMING POOL AND A BLACK SCHOOL. 52 00:07:00,186 --> 00:07:07,160 >> BUT THE BODIES WEREN'T REMOVED? >> BUT THE BODIES WERE NOT REMOVED. 53 00:07:07,226 --> 00:07:14,300 >> CARDNO FOUND THE PROOF LAST YEAR. IT EXCAVATED JUST DEEP ENOUGH TO CONFIRM WHAT GROUND PENETRATING 54 00:07:14,367 --> 00:07:22,508 RADAR HAD SUGGESTED. >> IT IS THEIR RESTING PLACE... >> A PRAYER WAS SAID OVER THE SITE, THEN THEY PLANED THE 55 00:07:22,575 --> 00:07:31,751 SAND... AND SIEVED A CENTURY OF TIME IN SEARCH OF GRAVE MARKERS OR TRIBUTES. 56 00:07:31,818 --> 00:07:38,891 INEVITABLY, RELICS INCLUDED HUMAN REMAINS. TEETH AT THE OFFICE BUILDING SITE... 57 00:07:38,958 --> 00:07:47,099 ...AND BONES AT THE SCHOOL WHICH HAD CLOSED IN 2008, BECAUSE IT WAS OBSOLETE. >> ARE THERE GRAVE SITES 58 00:07:47,166 --> 00:07:52,505 UNDERNEATH THE SCHOOL? >> ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED DOES INDICATE THAT THERE ARE 59 00:07:52,572 --> 00:07:58,477 ADDITIONAL BURIALS LIKELY BELOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT SCHOOL BUILDING. >> I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF 60 00:07:58,544 --> 00:08:04,550 THEY DIDN'T FIND ANY BONES WHEN THEY WERE OVER THERE. >> OH, THEY HAD TO. >> O'NEAL LARKIN WATCHED THE 61 00:08:04,617 --> 00:08:13,292 EXCAVATION AND IMAGINED THE GROUNDBREAKING AT THE SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION SITE IN 1961. >> TO DIG THE FOUNDATION TO PUT 62 00:08:13,359 --> 00:08:22,568 THIS SCHOOL UPON...THEY HAD TO HIT SOME FORM OF REMAINS. >> IT'S LIKELY SOME FAMILIES COULD NOT AFFORD A TOMBSTONE, 63 00:08:22,635 --> 00:08:29,709 BUT THE ARCHAEOLOGISTS FOUND GRAVES WERE MARKED. >> DOESN'T THAT LOOK LIKE ONE OF THOSE METAL PLAQUE THINGS? 64 00:08:29,775 --> 00:08:38,384 >> THIS IS A MARKER THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED INITIALLY AFTER THE BURIAL IF A STONE WAS NOT READY TO BE PLACED. 65 00:08:38,451 --> 00:08:43,823 AND IN SOME CASES, THIS IS ALL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED TO MARK THE LOCATION OF A BURIAL. >> ERIN McKENDRY SHOWED US 66 00:08:43,890 --> 00:08:52,031 CARDNO'S CATALOG OF EVIDENCE. >> IT'S A MERCURY DIME. >> IT IS A MERCURY DIME. >> THIS DIME, NEW IN '42, WAS 67 00:08:52,098 --> 00:08:58,571 AMONG MANY TRIBUTES LEFT WITH THE DEAD. >> WE ALSO FOUND THIS BRASS WEDDING RING AT APPROXIMATELY 68 00:08:58,638 --> 00:09:05,745 THE SAME LOCATION AND THE SAME DEPTH AS THE DIME. >> THE TRIBUTES AND DISTURBED HUMAN REMAINS WERE CAREFULLY 69 00:09:05,811 --> 00:09:15,054 REBURIED EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE FOUND PENDING A DECISION ON WHAT TO DO NEXT. >> IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THESE 70 00:09:15,121 --> 00:09:20,526 PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERRED AND THEN LOST, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL THEM? >> I HEAR YOU. 71 00:09:20,593 --> 00:09:28,134 I'M WORKING. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS, THE LIFE YOU LIVED. 72 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:34,140 I RECOGNIZE AND SEE YOUR HUMANITY. >> THE CHEAPEST LAND, THE WORST PLACES. 73 00:09:34,206 --> 00:09:40,146 >> ANTHROPOLOGIST ANTOINETTE JACKSON LEADS "THE AFRICAN AMERICAN BURIAL GROUND PROJECT" AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH 74 00:09:40,212 --> 00:09:48,888 FLORIDA. SHE'S BUILDING A DATABASE OF DESECRATED CEMETERIES. >> NOT JUST CLEARWATER, IT'S 75 00:09:48,955 --> 00:09:56,562 NATIONALLY FROM NEW YORK ALL THE WAY OUT TOWARD TEXAS, AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOUTH FLORIDA WHERE THESE CEMETERIES HAD BEEN 76 00:09:56,629 --> 00:10:03,135 BUILT OVER -- ERASED, MARGINALIZED, UNDERFUNDED AND NEED SUPPORT IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM WHOLE AND HAVE THIS HISTORY 77 00:10:03,202 --> 00:10:11,344 KNOWN. >> THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED STORY, UNFORTUNATELY. >> SO FAR, JACKSON HAS LISTED 78 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:18,417 ABOUT 107 EFFACED BLACK CEMETERIES NATIONWIDE. >> UNDERNEATH THE CURRENT HOUSING. 79 00:10:18,484 --> 00:10:24,957 >> UNDER HOUSING -- FREEWAYS, AND THE COUNTY OWNED PARKING LOT OF TROPICANA FIELD, HOME TO BASEBALL'S TAMPA BAY RAYS. 80 00:10:25,024 --> 00:10:34,300 >> WHAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD IS THE MEMORY, THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THESE SITES WERE THERE, THESE PLACES, THESE CEMETERIES, 81 00:10:34,367 --> 00:10:41,340 THESE FAMILIES WERE THERE, LIVE, DIED, WORKED, CONTRIBUTED TO OUR COUNTRY, TO THEIR COMMUNITIES, TO OUR HOMETOWNS. 82 00:10:41,407 --> 00:10:48,481 >> IS THERE EVIDENCE OF WHITE CEMETERIES BEING LOST, ABANDONED, FORGOTTEN IN THE WAY THAT THESE ARE? 83 00:10:48,547 --> 00:10:53,886 >> THERE ARE ABANDONED CEMETERIES ACROSS THE BOARD. THERE ARE CEMETERIES THAT ARE NOT ONLY AFRICAN AMERICAN 84 00:10:53,953 --> 00:11:01,627 CEMETERIES OR BLACK CEMETERIES THAT HAVE BEEN IN SOME WAY DESECRATED, BUT THE ISSUE IS MORE ACUTE WITH BLACK CEMETERIES 85 00:11:01,694 --> 00:11:10,903 BECAUSE OF ISSUES LIKE SLAVERY, SEGREGATION IN WHICH THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY WERE LEGALLY AND INTENTIONALLY 86 00:11:10,970 --> 00:11:20,179 CONSIDERED LESSER THAN OR MARGINALIZED BY LAW. >> WHEN A CEMETERY DISAPPEARS, WHAT IS LOST? 87 00:11:20,246 --> 00:11:28,954 >> HISTORY. >> HISTORY. >> A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT BECAUSE YOU CAN NO LONGER VISIT 88 00:11:29,021 --> 00:11:34,427 AND BRING CLOSURE TO YOUR OWN SOUL. >> A CEMETERY SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR FINAL RESTING PLACE. 89 00:11:34,493 --> 00:11:43,102 >> HONORABLE PLACE. >> FINAL. >> IN CLEARWATER, THEY'RE DEBATING HOW TO HONOR THOSE 90 00:11:43,169 --> 00:11:50,743 ENTOMBED BENEATH THE SCHOOL, SOUTH MISSOURI AVENUE AND THE PROPERTY OF THE FRANKCRUM COMPANY WHICH BOUGHT ITS 91 00:11:50,810 --> 00:11:58,384 HEADQUARTERS FOR ITS STAFFING BUSINESS DECADES AFTER THE CEMETERY WAS ERASED. >> I'M SURE THAT, WHEN THEY 92 00:11:58,451 --> 00:12:06,092 PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE BODIES THERE. >> ZEBBIE ATKINSON IS THE FORMER 93 00:12:06,158 --> 00:12:13,165 HEAD OF THE CLEARWATER NAACP. >> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THAT DISTURBING MISSOURI AVENUE, 94 00:12:13,232 --> 00:12:20,239 DISTURBING THE FRANKCRUM CORPORATION, DISTURBING THE SCHOOLS, WAY TOO MUCH EFFORT AT THIS POINT IN TIME? 95 00:12:20,306 --> 00:12:26,245 >> I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR CALL. THEY HAVE NO FAMILY BURIED THERE. 96 00:12:26,312 --> 00:12:32,551 >> ATKINSON IS HELPING LEAD THE CONVERSATION OF WHAT TO DO NOW AMONG DESCENDANTS, BUSINESSES AND THE CITY. 97 00:12:32,618 --> 00:12:38,824 >> SEE THE TEETH... >> SOME PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE THE BODIES MOVED TO A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN PROPERLY MEMORIALIZE 98 00:12:38,891 --> 00:12:45,331 THEM. SOME OF THE DESCENDANT COMMUNITY WANTS TO LET THE PEOPLE STAY WHERE THEY ARE. 99 00:12:45,397 --> 00:12:50,803 THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. >> HOW DO YOU WORK THEM OUT? >> WE HAVE TO SIT AND TALK ABOUT 100 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:57,409 IT. I MEAN, THERE IS NO EASY ANSWER WITH THAT. >> WHETHER THE FAILURE, IN THE 101 00:12:57,476 --> 00:13:05,050 LAST CENTURY, TO MOVE THE GRAVES WAS DECEIT, INCOMPETENCE, AND INDIFFERENCE, WE DO NOT KNOW. BUT TODAY, CLEARWATER IS 102 00:13:05,117 --> 00:13:15,394 SPENDING $291,000 TO LEARN THE TRUTH. THE CITY TOLD US IT IS SEARCHING FOR A COMPROMISE THAT WILL HONOR 103 00:13:15,461 --> 00:13:20,332 THE DEAD. THE FRANKCRUM COMPANY TOLD US IT WANTS TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY'S SOLUTION. 104 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:28,507 IDEAS INCLUDE MONUMENTS. BUT FOR A FEW, LIKE O'NEAL LARKIN, THERE'S ONLY ONE ROUTE TO JUSTICE. 105 00:13:28,574 --> 00:13:34,513 >> TEAR IT DOWN. >> TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN? >> TEAR IT DOWN. TEAR DOWN THAT BUILDING, AS FAR 106 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:45,858 AS I'M CONCERNED. TEAR THE SCHOOL DOWN. MAKE IT A SHRINE OF MEMORIES THAT PEOPLE CAN GO AND USE IT IN 107 00:13:45,925 --> 00:13:52,431 A PROPER WAY OF REMEMBERING. TO TREAT THEM WITH MORE DIGNITY THAN WHAT THIS HAS BEEN TREATED. >> WE NOTICED DIGNITY WAS 108 00:13:52,498 --> 00:14:00,039 TREATED GENTLY IN THE WHITE CEMETERIES OF CLEARWATER. IN THIS ONE, WE FOUND A MONUMENT TO A CONFEDERATE SOLDIER. 109 00:14:00,105 --> 00:14:08,280 HIS GRAVE DECORATED TODAY WITH A FRESH BANNER OF RACISM. BUT WHEN THIS CONFEDERATE SACRED GROUND FOUND ITSELF BLOCKING THE 110 00:14:08,347 --> 00:14:22,494 ROAD TO PROGRESS, THE SMALL CEMETERY, UNDER THOSE TREES IN THE MIDDLE, WAS GRANTED A REVERENT, CIRCULAR DETOUR. 111 00:14:22,561 --> 00:14:37,710 OF THOSE CITIZENS BURIED IN THE BLACK CEMETERIES OF CLEARWATER, WE HAVE IMAGES OF ONLY THESE: THE REVEREND ARTHUR L. JACKSON, 112 00:14:37,776 --> 00:14:43,749 THE REVEREND JOSEPH HINES, AND MACK DIXONSR. WHO WAS BURIED BESIDE HIS WIFE, FLORENCE, THREE CHILDREN AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN. 113 00:14:43,816 --> 00:14:53,092 WE DO NOT KNOW THE FACES OF 500 MORE WHO REMAIN FOREVER BOUND BY SEGREGATION AND LOST TO THE MEMORY OF TIME. 114 00:15:02,101 --> 00:15:10,676 >>> THE DROUGHT-STRICKEN COLORADO RIVER IS IN CRITICAL CONDITION. ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, THE 115 00:15:10,743 --> 00:15:17,750 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECLARED THE FIRST EVER SHORTAGE ON THE RIVER, TRIGGERING CUTS TO WATER SUPPLIES IN THE SOUTHWEST. 116 00:15:17,816 --> 00:15:23,222 TODAY, THE RIVER REMAINS UNSUSTAINABLY LOW. THE COLORADO IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE REGION. 117 00:15:23,289 --> 00:15:30,262 IT WATERS SOME OF THE COUNTRY'S FASTEST GROWING CITIES, NOURISHES SOME OF OUR MOST FERTILE FIELDS, AND POWERS 118 00:15:30,329 --> 00:15:37,436 $1.4 TRILLION IN ANNUAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. THE RIVER RUNS MORE THAN 1,400 MILES, FROM HEADWATERS IN THE 119 00:15:37,503 --> 00:15:45,577 ROCKIES TO ITS DELTA IN NORTHERN MEXICO WHERE IT ENDS IN A TRICKLE. SEVEN STATES AND 30 NATIVE 120 00:15:45,644 --> 00:15:52,718 AMERICAN TRIBES LIE IN THE COLORADO RIVER BASIN. AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN 2021, THE RIVER HAS BEEN RUNNING DRY 121 00:15:52,785 --> 00:16:01,527 DUE TO THE HISTORICALLY SEVERE DROUGHT. >> THE MAJESTIC, MEANDERING COLORADO RIVER THAT CUT THROUGH 122 00:16:01,593 --> 00:16:11,303 THESE RED CLIFFS, CARVING THE GRAND CANYON, IS A WONDER OF NATURE AND HUMAN INGENUITY. THE GLEN CANYON DAM CREATED LAKE 123 00:16:11,370 --> 00:16:18,977 POWELL, AND 300 MILES DOWN RIVER LAKE MEAD SITS BEHIND THE HOOVER DAM. THESE RESERVOIRS ARE NOW BEING 124 00:16:19,044 --> 00:16:26,652 SUCKED DRY BY 40 MILLION DIFFERENT STRAWS -- THAT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN BOOMING WESTERN STATES WHO DEPEND ON THE 125 00:16:26,719 --> 00:16:36,495 COLORADO TO QUENCH THEIR THIRST, POWER THEIR HOMES, WATER LAWNS AND SPLASH IN THE SUN. ITS WATERS IRRIGATE FARMS THAT 126 00:16:36,562 --> 00:16:46,271 PRODUCE 90% OF THE COUNTRY'S WINTER GREENS. TO ALL THESE DEMANDS ADD THE STRESS OF A 23-YEAR DROUGHT -- 127 00:16:46,338 --> 00:16:53,912 AS DRY AS ANY PERIOD IN 1,200 YEARS -- AND YOU HAVE A RIVER IN CRISIS. >> THESE WHITE BATHTUB RINGS, IS 128 00:16:53,979 --> 00:16:59,918 THIS WHERE THE WATER USED TO BE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> BRAD UDALL, A CLIMATE SCIENTIST AT COLORADO STATE 129 00:16:59,985 --> 00:17:07,059 UNIVERSITY, WENT OUT ON LAKE POWELL WITH US. >> SO ALL OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERWATER? 130 00:17:07,126 --> 00:17:14,166 >> YEAH. >> SO WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE COLORADO RIVER? 131 00:17:14,233 --> 00:17:20,205 >> WELL, IT'S A SIGNAL OF THE LONG-TERM PROBLEM WE'VE BEEN SEEING SINCE THE YEAR 2000, WHICH IS CLIMATE CHANGE IS 132 00:17:20,272 --> 00:17:27,312 REDUCING THE FLOWS OF THE COLORADO SIGNIFICANTLY. >> LAKE POWELL AND LAKE MEAD, THE TWO BIGGEST RESERVOIRS IN 133 00:17:27,379 --> 00:17:35,988 THE COUNTRY, WERE NEARLY FULL IN 2000. BY 2021, THEY'D FALLEN TO ABOUT 30% CAPACITY. 134 00:17:36,054 --> 00:17:42,027 >> THE LAKE'S NOW 155 FEET BELOW FULL. IT'S DROPPED SOMETHING LIKE 50 FEET THIS YEAR. 135 00:17:42,094 --> 00:17:48,567 >> AND IT'S STILL DROPPING? >> YES. AND THAT'S WHEN POWER GENERATION ACTUALLY BECOMES TO COME INTO 136 00:17:48,634 --> 00:17:54,540 QUESTION. >> SO IT DROPS SO LOW THAT IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO -- >> IT MAY -- 137 00:17:54,606 --> 00:18:00,646 >> -- GENERATE -- >> -- NOT BE ABLE TO GENERATE POWER -- >> HYDROELECTRIC POWER? 138 00:18:00,712 --> 00:18:06,518 >> YEAH. >> BRAD UDALL HAS STRONG CONNECTIONS TO THE RIVER. AS SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR, 139 00:18:06,585 --> 00:18:12,024 HIS UNCLE, STEWART UDALL, OPENED THE GLEN CANYON DAM. HIS FATHER, CONGRESSMAN MO UDALL, FOUGHT TO CHANNEL 140 00:18:12,090 --> 00:18:17,996 RIVER WATER TO ARIZONA. AS A YOUNG MAN, BRAD WAS A COLORADO RIVER GUIDE. TODAY HE ANALYZES THE IMPACT OF 141 00:18:18,063 --> 00:18:24,570 CLIMATE CHANGE ON WATER RESOURCES. >> IS THE WEST ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH CLIMATE CHANGE? 142 00:18:24,636 --> 00:18:32,244 >> IN SOME WAYS, YES, BUT WE HAVE FULLY UTILIZED THIS SYSTEM. WE'VE OVER-ALLOCATED IT, AND WE NOW NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO 143 00:18:32,311 --> 00:18:41,520 TURN SOME OF THIS BACK. BECAUSE THE ONLY LEVER WE CONTROL RIGHT NOW IN THE RIVER IS THE DEMAND LEVER. 144 00:18:41,587 --> 00:18:46,959 WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE SUPPLY. SO WE HAVE TO DIAL BACK DEMAND. >> 70% OF COLORADO RIVER WATER 145 00:18:47,025 --> 00:18:54,066 GOES TO AGRICULTURE. WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECLARED THE WATER SHORTAGE, IT TRIGGERED MANDATORY CUTBACKS. 146 00:18:54,132 --> 00:19:02,841 PINAL COUNTY, ARIZONA, GOT HIT HARD. >> PINAL COUNTY ALONE, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOSING 300,000 ACRE 147 00:19:02,908 --> 00:19:11,550 FEET OF SURFACE WATER. THAT'S WATER THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED FROM LAKE POWELL, LAKE MEAD. 148 00:19:11,617 --> 00:19:25,731 AS PART OF THE COLORADO RIVER. 300,000 ACRE FEET IS 98 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER. >> WAYLON WUERTZ FARMS 500 ACRES 149 00:19:25,797 --> 00:19:31,169 IN PINAL COUNTY, SOUTH OF PHOENIX. HIS FAMILY HAS TILLED SOIL HERE FOR FOUR GENERATIONS. 150 00:19:31,236 --> 00:19:38,810 IT'S SOME OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE LAND IN THE STATE. CROPS FROM PINAL COUNTY ARE SHIPPED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 151 00:19:38,877 --> 00:19:46,451 WUERTZ GROWS GOURDS, COTTON, AND ALFALFA -- PROFITABLE, BUT THIRSTY CROPS AND HIS ALLOTMENT OF COLORADO RIVER WATER IS BEING 152 00:19:46,518 --> 00:19:59,565 CUT BY 70%. >> THIS IS COLORADO RIVER WATER? >> YEP, KIND OF THE LIFE LINE OF OUR IRRIGATED AG HERE. 153 00:19:59,631 --> 00:20:06,138 >> THIS COMES STRAIGHT IN FROM LAKE MEAD? >> CORRECT. THIS IS -- THROUGH HUNDREDS OF 154 00:20:06,204 --> 00:20:11,543 MILES OF CANAL SYSTEM. IT'S MADE ITS WAY DOWN HERE TO CENTRAL ARIZONA. >> AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR 155 00:20:11,610 --> 00:20:17,549 WATER IS SUPPLIED BY THIS CANAL? >> IT'S BEEN CLOSE TO 50% OF THE WATER THAT WE'VE USED TO -- TO FARM HERE. 156 00:20:17,616 --> 00:20:24,122 AND THIS NEXT YEAR IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DROP DOWN TO ABOUT 20% OF THE WATER THAT WE USE. THAT'S ONE-SEVENTH OF WHAT HE 157 00:20:24,189 --> 00:20:33,932 WAS GETTING A DECADE AGO. TO USE LESS WATER AND MAKE ENDS MEET, WUERTZ SOLD MORE THAN 300 ACRES TO A SOLAR FARM. 158 00:20:33,999 --> 00:20:43,742 HE DIPPED INTO RETIREMENT FUNDS TO REPAIR AND RESTART OLD WELLS. HE LASER-LEVELED HIS FIELDS TO MAKE IRRIGATION MORE EFFICIENT. 159 00:20:43,809 --> 00:20:51,450 >> BUT IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DROUGHT. >> NO, IT'S NOT ENOUGH. >> SO, HE TOLD US HE'LL HAVE TO 160 00:20:51,516 --> 00:20:59,124 LEAVE 150 ACRES UNCULTIVATED. >> WHAT YOU SEE GREEN HERE IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO DIE. I HOPE WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH WATER 161 00:20:59,191 --> 00:21:05,197 TO PLANT IT IN THE FUTURE. BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S GOING TO STAY BROWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 162 00:21:05,263 --> 00:21:11,737 >> ALL THE WATER USERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING TO KEEP THAT WATER IN THE LAKE. >> AMELIA FLORES IS CHAIRWOMAN 163 00:21:11,803 --> 00:21:19,378 OF THE COLORADO RIVER INDIAN TRIBES, A RESERVATION OF FOUR TRIBES A FEW HOURS WEST OF PHOENIX, WITH THE OLDEST AND 164 00:21:19,444 --> 00:21:28,720 LARGEST WATER RIGHTS IN ARIZONA. AFTER BEING MOVED TO RESERVATIONS, SOUTHWEST TRIBES GOT RIGHTS TO ABOUT A QUARTER OF 165 00:21:28,787 --> 00:21:34,693 THE RIVER'S FLOW, BUT GOVERNMENT RED TAPE AND LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE HAVE PREVENTED THEM FROM USING THEIR FULL 166 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:43,969 ALLOTMENT. FLORES TOLD US UNTIL THIS DROUGHT, TRIBES WERE NEVER INCLUDED IN WATER NEGOTIATIONS. 167 00:21:44,036 --> 00:21:51,610 >> WHY HAD YOU NOT HAD A SEAT AT THE TABLE BEFORE THIS? >> BECAUSE THE TRIBES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OVERLOOKED IN THE 168 00:21:51,677 --> 00:21:59,284 POLICYMAKING AND -- AND IN THE LAW OF THE RIVER. BUT THAT DAY HAS COME TO AN END. >> WHEN WESTERN STATES FIRST 169 00:21:59,351 --> 00:22:08,660 DIVVIED UP THE COLORADO RIVER IN 1922, AND LATER WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUILT THE HOOVER AND GLEN CANYON DAMS, THE FUTURE 170 00:22:08,727 --> 00:22:16,301 SEEMED BOUNDLESS AND MANAGEABLE. THROUGH NEGOTIATION AND COURT BATTLES, STATES WORKED OUT AGREEMENTS -- THE LAW OF THE 171 00:22:16,368 --> 00:22:24,443 RIVER -- TO SPLIT THE WATER EQUALLY BETWEEN UPPER AND LOWER BASIN STATES. THE LOWER STATES USE JUST ABOUT 172 00:22:24,509 --> 00:22:34,286 ALL THEIR ALLOTMENT AND IT'S FED THEIR TREMENDOUS GROWTH. THE UPPER STATES HAVE NEVER USED THEIR FULL SHARE. 173 00:22:34,352 --> 00:22:39,191 NOW, THEY ARE BOOMING AND SAY THEY NEED THE WATER THEY'VE BEEN PROMISED. >> I CAN SEE THE BATHTUB RINGS 174 00:22:39,257 --> 00:22:44,663 AROUND HERE TOO. >> WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERY DROP OF WATER WE CAN INTO THIS RESERVOIR FOR NEXT YEAR'S 175 00:22:44,730 --> 00:22:51,203 DRINKING WATER. >> ZACH RENSTROM MANAGES THE WATER SYSTEM FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST UTAH. 176 00:22:51,269 --> 00:22:58,310 ST. GEORGE, THE COUNTY SEAT, IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING METRO AREAS IN THE U.S. ITS POPULATION GREW 29% THIS 177 00:22:58,376 --> 00:23:08,186 PAST DECADE. THE STATE OF UTAH GETS ABOUT A QUARTER OF ITS WATER FROM THE COLORADO, BUT MOST OF WASHINGTON 178 00:23:08,253 --> 00:23:15,827 COUNTY HAS ONLY ONE SOURCE, THE VIRGIN RIVER, WHICH FILLS THIS RESERVOIR. >> SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE 179 00:23:15,894 --> 00:23:27,339 PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING REALLY STRICT CONSERVATION MEASURES. AND IF THE CITIES DON'T ADOPT THOSE STANDARDS, THEN WE'LL BE 180 00:23:27,405 --> 00:23:33,245 OUT OF WATER VERY QUICKLY. >> WHAT IS VERY QUICKLY? >> WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN YEARS. 181 00:23:33,311 --> 00:23:38,150 >> SO, IN THE MIDST OF THIS DROUGHT, UTAH IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A $1 TO $2 BILLION PIPELINE ABLE TO BRING 27 182 00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:43,588 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR FROM DWINDLING LAKE POWELL. UTAH SAYS IT'S ENTITLED TO THE WATER BY LAW. 183 00:23:43,655 --> 00:23:51,830 >> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIPHONING OFF WATER FROM A LAKE THAT'S ALREADY AT A CRITICALLY LOW LEVEL TO HELP A CITY GROW IN 184 00:23:51,897 --> 00:24:03,341 THE DESERT. >> EVERY STATE ON THE COLORADO RIVER WAS ALLOTTED SO MUCH WATER AND A WATER BUDGET. 185 00:24:03,408 --> 00:24:07,746 AND SO WITH THEIR WATER BUDGET, THE STATE OF UTAH HAS DECIDED THAT IT WANTS TO USE A PORTION OF ITS WATER HERE IN ST. GEORGE, 186 00:24:07,813 --> 00:24:13,185 UTAH. >> BUT IT WAS A BUDGET THAT WAS SET WHEN WATER WAS PLENTIFUL. IT ISN'T ANYMORE. 187 00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:18,089 WHAT IS UTAH HOPING FOR? >> UTAH WANTS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT EVERY OTHER BASIN STATE HAS DONE. 188 00:24:18,156 --> 00:24:24,029 WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WATER FOR OUR FUTURE, FOR A HOTTER, DRIER SCENARIO THAT'S COMING UP. 189 00:24:24,095 --> 00:24:30,035 >> BUILDING A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PIPELINE TO PUMP OUT MORE WATER FROM AN ALREADY RAPIDLY DECLINING RESERVOIR SIMPLY 190 00:24:30,101 --> 00:24:37,642 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THE 21st CENTURY. >> JB HAMBY IS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD THAT RUNS CALIFORNIA'S 191 00:24:37,709 --> 00:24:44,749 IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT, ONE OF THE RICHEST AGRICULTURAL REGIONS IN THE COUNTRY WITH THE SINGLE LARGEST ALLOCATION OF 192 00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:51,857 WATER ON THE ENTIRE RIVER. >> THERE'S A LOT OF URBAN GROWTH AND SPRAWL OCCURRING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COLORADO RIVER 193 00:24:51,923 --> 00:24:59,497 BASIN THAT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARILY SUSTAINABLE. >> HAMBY SAYS CALIFORNIA'S IMPERIAL VALLEY FARMS HAVE CUT 194 00:24:59,564 --> 00:25:10,475 WATER USAGE ALMOST 16% SINCE 2003, BUT POINTS OUT AS THE POPULATION OF ST. GEORGE, UTAH, GROWS, SO DOES ITS WATER USE. 195 00:25:10,542 --> 00:25:16,514 >> WE NEED TO THINK AND RETHINK ABOUT HOW WE GROW AND IF WE GROW AND WHERE WE GROW. >> ST. GEORGE WOULD SAY THAT 196 00:25:16,581 --> 00:25:23,622 THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE. THEY'RE ASKING FOR WHAT THEY NEED. >> I THINK WHAT WE ALL NEED TO 197 00:25:23,688 --> 00:25:28,560 HAVE IS A REALITY CHECK, HERE, AND RECOGNIZE THAT WE LIVE IN AN ERA OF LIMITS RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY ANY TIME 198 00:25:28,627 --> 00:25:34,566 SOON. IN FACT, IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. >> A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM IS 199 00:25:34,633 --> 00:25:41,640 THE LAW OF THE RIVER ITSELF, A HODGEPODGE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS PIECED TOGETHER OVER THE COURSE OF A CENTURY. 200 00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:51,483 FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER ALL THE LITIGATION AND NEGOTIATIONS, THE LAW ENDS UP ALLOCATING MORE WATER THAN ACTUALLY FLOWS DOWN 201 00:25:51,549 --> 00:25:59,658 THE COLORADO. AND THIS: IN TIMES OF SHORTAGE, CHANNELS THAT PROVIDE MORE THAN A THIRD OF ARIZONA'S WATER MUST 202 00:25:59,724 --> 00:26:10,035 RUN DRY BEFORE CALIFORNIA IS REQUIRED TO CUT BACK. >> SO, SO WAIT A MINUTE. ARIZONA IS BEING CALLED ON TO 203 00:26:10,101 --> 00:26:17,208 CUT ITS WATER INTAKE BEFORE CALIFORNIA HAS TO GIVE UP EVEN ONE DROP? >> PRETTY AMAZING. 204 00:26:17,275 --> 00:26:24,282 IT CAN'T WORK IN TODAY'S WORLD. AND IT'S IN SOME WAYS A LITTLE MICROCOSM, RIGHT, OF THIS WHOLE LAW OF THE RIVER WITH THESE 205 00:26:24,349 --> 00:26:31,423 SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE THAT JUST DON'T WORK. THEY CAN'T WORK. AND THAT'S WHY A RETHINK'S 206 00:26:31,489 --> 00:26:39,097 NEEDED. >> ONE EXAMPLE OF RETHINKING: THE COLORADO RIVER INDIAN TRIBES AGREED TO LEAVE FIELDS 207 00:26:39,164 --> 00:26:45,136 UNCULTIVATED, LEAVING 48 BILLION GALLONS -- ALMOST THREE FEET OF WATER -- IN LAKE MEAD. THE STATE OF ARIZONA AGREED TO 208 00:26:45,203 --> 00:26:53,878 PAY THEM FOR THEIR LOSSES. >> MY PEOPLE WANT TO HELP DURING THIS DROUGHT. WE WANT TO SAVE THE RIVER, 209 00:26:53,945 --> 00:27:01,019 BECAUSE FOR CENTURIES THE RIVER HAS ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF US, SO NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE RIVER. 210 00:27:01,086 --> 00:27:07,659 >> THAT'S WHAT NEGOTIATIONS ARE ALL ABOUT, RIGHT? IT MAY BE THERE ARE WAYS TO CONSERVE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO 211 00:27:07,726 --> 00:27:14,766 GET THE SAME GOODS AND SERVICES FOR LESS WATER. LET'S LET AG GROW CROPS THAT USE LESS WATER. 212 00:27:14,833 --> 00:27:20,772 LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE CITIES USE WATER AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. SO, I MEAN, WE NEED SOME 213 00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:26,811 OPTIMISM HERE, RIGHT? >> THIS DESERT GROUND... >> BUT AS WE SAW AT THIS MEETING OF PINAL COUNTY FARMERS, 214 00:27:26,878 --> 00:27:34,452 OPTIMISM IS IN SHORT SUPPLY. >> THE FARMER WHO'S PREPARED THE WHOLE LIFE, WORKED THE LAND, FARMED THE LAND IS GETTING THE 215 00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:42,627 SHORT END OF THE STICK. >> FARMERS HERE AND ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST FEED THE COUNTRY. BUT IT TAKES MORE THAN 216 00:27:42,694 --> 00:27:51,403 TWO-THIRDS OF THE COLORADO RIVER TO PRODUCE THE BOUNTY. WITH LAKE LEVELS DROPPING, ARIZONA FARMERS LIKE WAYLON 217 00:27:51,469 --> 00:28:04,015 WUERTZ FEAR THEIR FERTILE FIELDS COULD BECOME DESERT AGAIN. >> YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DRASTIC CUTS, A DRASTIC CHANGE OF WHAT 218 00:28:04,082 --> 00:28:08,453 NEXT YEAR HAS TO BRING. AND FOR MY PARTICULAR FAMILY FARM, WE'RE DOING ALL THAT WE CAN TO KEEP IT GOING. 219 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:17,128 BUT I HAVE A FEELING IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE NONE OF THIS EXISTS. >> THIS PAST JANUARY, WAYLON 220 00:28:17,195 --> 00:28:24,235 WUERTZ LOST HIS ENTIRE COLORADO RIVER ALLOTMENT, BUT HIS FARM GOT A REPRIEVE FROM AN UNUSUALLY WET WINTER. 221 00:28:24,302 --> 00:28:32,410 THE COLORADO IS STILL IN DIRE STRAITS. IN MAY, ARIZONA, CALIFORNIA, AND NEVADA AGREED TO CONSERVE NEARLY 222 00:28:32,477 --> 00:28:41,119 A TRILLION GALLONS OF WATER BY THE END OF 2026, HOPING THE UNPRECEDENTED CUTBACK WILL STABILIZE THE RIVER. 223 00:28:54,766 --> 00:29:00,138 >>> IN HIS HALL OF FAME NBA CAREER, CHARLES BARKLEY ACCUMULATED 12,546 REBOUNDS. BUT HE PULLED THE ULTIMATE 224 00:29:00,205 --> 00:29:07,278 REBOUND WHEN HE FINISHED PLAYING, EQUALING -- MAYBE EVEN ECLIPSING -- HIS CONSIDERABLE SKILLS ON A BASKETBALL COURT, 225 00:29:07,345 --> 00:29:13,818 WITH HIS SINGULAR TALENT IN A TV STUDIO. FOR THE LAST 23 YEARS, BARKLEY HAS BEEN DELIVERING WITTY, 226 00:29:13,885 --> 00:29:21,459 BLUNT, PROVOCATIVE OPINIONS ON EVERY IMAGINABLE TOPIC, OFTEN IMPARTED WITH A SMILE, ALWAYS IMPARTED WITH "I DON'T GIVE A 227 00:29:21,526 --> 00:29:26,931 DAMN IF YOU AGREE WITH ME" CANDOR. IMAGINE MARK TWAIN WITH A LOW-POST GAME, AS WE FIRST 228 00:29:26,998 --> 00:29:35,140 REPORTED IN MARCH, DESPITE HIS LACK OF A TONGUE EDITOR, MAYBE BECAUSE OF IT, BARKLEY, NOW 60, SEEMS CANCEL-PROOF, GRANTED 229 00:29:35,206 --> 00:29:41,146 LICENSE TO GO RIIIIGHT UP TO THAT MID-COURT LINE OF ACCEPTABILITY, EVEN TO STOMP OVER IT SOMETIMES. 230 00:29:41,212 --> 00:29:46,618 IT'S MADE HIM MORE RELEVANT THAN EVER. IT'S MADE HIM -- DARE WE SAY IT? -- AN AMERICAN TREASURE. 231 00:29:46,684 --> 00:29:56,494 >> WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE PEOPLE WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU? [ LAUGHTER ] >> I THINK THEY KNOW THAT I'M 232 00:29:56,561 --> 00:30:05,203 GOING TO BE HONEST, I'M GOING TO BE FAIR, I DON'T HAVE A HIDDEN AGENDA. NOT MANY PEOPLE ON TV THAT YOU 233 00:30:05,270 --> 00:30:11,776 CAN SAY THAT ABOUT. >> WHAT'S UP, EVERYBODY! >> WHAT'S UP, CHUCK? >> YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO 234 00:30:11,843 --> 00:30:19,951 WIN EVERY YEAR -- THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIES EVER TOLD. >> 60 NIGHTS A YEAR, CHARLES BARKLEY IS THE GO-TO GUY ON 235 00:30:20,018 --> 00:30:25,957 TNT'S "INSIDE THE NBA." >> I LIKE THIS! >> PEOPLE ARE, LIKE, "YOU THINK OUR TEAM SUCKS." 236 00:30:26,024 --> 00:30:31,996 I'M LIKE, "UH, YEAH, I ONLY THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY SUCK." >> A PATHBREAKING, EMMY-DOMINATING SHOW THAT MAKES 237 00:30:32,063 --> 00:30:37,435 FOR RIVETING, UNSCRIPTED TV. >> YOU BIG DUMMY. [ LAUGHTER ] >> YOU HAVE FUN UP THERE? 238 00:30:37,502 --> 00:30:43,408 >> IT'S JUST BASKETBALL! [ LAUGHTER ] WE'RE NOT SOLVING INFLATION, WE DIDN'T JUST GET BACK FROM 239 00:30:43,474 --> 00:30:47,812 AFGHANISTAN. >> BUT YOU'RE NOT A USED CAR SALESMAN EITHER. I MEAN, IF A GAME'S NO GOOD, 240 00:30:47,879 --> 00:30:53,818 YOU'LL ADMIT IT, YOU'LL SAY IT. >> OH YEAH, BECAUSE THE FAN, THE FANS AIN'T STUPID. THEY JUST SAW IT. 241 00:30:53,885 --> 00:30:59,257 IF I TELL THEM THAT WAS A GOOD GAME, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, "WHAT THE HELL IS CHARLES TALKING ABOUT?" 242 00:30:59,324 --> 00:31:07,498 >> YOU SAID SOMETIMES YOU'VE EVEN FALLEN ASLEEP ON THE SET. > OH, I FALLEN ASLEEP, LIKE, JUST SITTING THERE WATCHING 243 00:31:07,565 --> 00:31:12,370 LIKE, "YO, MAN, THIS IS JUST BAD BASKETBALL." >> I'M GOING TO RAISE SOME HELL AROUND HERE. 244 00:31:12,437 --> 00:31:17,842 >> THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS COME TO EXPECT FROM CHARLES BARKLEY. >> WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE LAKERS -- THE LAKERS ARE AWFUL. 245 00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:22,714 >> FOR CHUCK, IT'S JUST "I'M GOING TO LET IT FLY. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH." 246 00:31:22,780 --> 00:31:27,685 >> FIVE, FOUR, THREE. >> ERNIE JOHNSON IS THE LONGTIME HOST OF "INSIDE THE NBA." >> CHARLES IS DOWN THERE. 247 00:31:27,752 --> 00:31:33,057 >> HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU SAY, "WHERE -- WHERE'S THIS GOING?" >> WE'LL START A SHOW AND CHARLES WILL LOOK AT ME AND SAY, 248 00:31:33,124 --> 00:31:38,529 "I GOT TO GET SOMETHING OFF MY CHEST." [ LAUGHTER ] IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT 249 00:31:38,596 --> 00:31:43,501 INVOLVES WORLD PEACE OR THE BROOKLYN NETS, OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING -- HE COULD BE UPSET THAT HIS PLUMBER SHOWED UP LATE. 250 00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:48,339 [ LAUGHTER ] AND HE JUST HAS TO GET IT OFF HIS CHEST. >> WE GOT TO BE SERIOUS ON THIS 251 00:31:48,406 --> 00:31:53,778 SHOW SOMETIMES. >> BUT IF BARKLEY BRINGS LEVITY, HE ALSO BRINGS GRAVITY. >> MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES STAR JA 252 00:31:53,845 --> 00:31:59,517 MORANT, WAS SUSPENDED IN MARCH AFTER THIS INSTAGRAM LIVE VIDEO SHOWED HIM FLASHING A GUN AT A STRIP CLUB. 253 00:31:59,584 --> 00:32:05,823 BARKLEY USED IT TO MAKE A BROADER POINT. >> GUNS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, THE WAY WE KILLING 254 00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:12,397 EACH OTHER IS JUST REALLY UNFORTUNATE AND SAD. AND WE GOT TO -- IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM, BUT IT SEEM LIKE 255 00:32:12,463 --> 00:32:17,268 IT'S GOTTEN WORSE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS -- BLACK ON BLACK CRIME AND THE WAY WE'VE BEEN KILLING EACH OTHER. 256 00:32:17,335 --> 00:32:23,274 >> BARKLEY MAY BE AT HIS MOST VISIBLE IN THE STUDIO IN ATLANTA. BUT FOR A FULLER SENSE OF THE 257 00:32:23,341 --> 00:32:31,549 MAN, HEAD TWO HOURS WEST TO HIS HOMETOWN OF LEEDS, ALABAMA. >> I'M TELLING Y'ALL, I DID NOT NAME THE STREET AFTER MYSELF. 258 00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:36,988 >> YOU DIDN'T LOBBY FOR CHARLES BARKLEY AVENUE? >> I DID NOT LOBBY FOR CHARLES BARKLEY AVENUE. 259 00:32:37,055 --> 00:32:44,128 >> WE INTERVIEWED BARKLEY IN THE HOME HE STILL KEEPS IN TOWN. IT'S A FEW HUNDRED YARDS FROM WHERE HE GREW UP. 260 00:32:44,195 --> 00:32:51,769 >> YOU WERE ANGRY THAT YOUR DAD LEFT THE FAMILY WHEN YOU WERE ONLY ONE YEARS OLD. >> I WAS VERY ANGRY. 261 00:32:51,836 --> 00:32:58,843 AND I WAS EVEN ANGRIER BECAUSE HE KEPT SAYING HE WAS GOING TO SEND US MONEY, AND HE DIDN'T DO IT. 262 00:32:58,910 --> 00:33:04,949 BECAUSE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY MOM AND GRANDMA WERE WORKING THEIR BEHINDS OFF. AND THE THING THAT WAS REALLY 263 00:33:05,016 --> 00:33:09,854 BAD ABOUT IT, I WAS STANDING BY THE MAILBOX, LIKE, ONCE EVERY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. >> WAITING FOR THE CHECKS. 264 00:33:09,921 --> 00:33:16,361 >> YES, BUT THEY NEVER CAME. >> HIS INDOMITABLE GRANDMA, JOHNNIE MAE, WHO HELPED RAISE HIM, STILL INSPIRES STORIES WHEN 265 00:33:16,427 --> 00:33:21,833 CHARLES AND HIS BUDDIES GET TOGETHER IN LEEDS. >> SHOOT, GRANNY WAS THE REAL DEAL. 266 00:33:21,899 --> 00:33:26,671 [ LAUGHTER ] >> ACTUALLY, CHARLES IS THE SPITTING IMAGE OF GRANNY, REALLY. 267 00:33:26,738 --> 00:33:34,312 >> YEAH, HE GOT THAT MOUTH. >> AND SHE HAD ONE TOO. >> SO, WE WERE REALLY POOR. WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME. 268 00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:38,716 SO, TO MAKE ENDS MEET, SHE SOLD ALCOHOL. [ LAUGHTER ] >> WHERE? 269 00:33:38,783 --> 00:33:46,190 [ LAUGHTER ] >> IN, IN -- IN THE HOUSE. >> CALLED THE SHOT HOUSE. >> OUT OF YOUR HOUSE? 270 00:33:46,257 --> 00:33:51,829 >> YEAH. SO PEOPLE WOULD COME OVER FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND PLAY CARDS. EVERYBODY STARTS DRINKING. 271 00:33:51,896 --> 00:33:56,768 ONCE SOMEBODY LOSE THEIR MONEY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIGHT. [ LAUGHTER ] SO MY GRANDMOTHER, THIS LITTLE 272 00:33:56,834 --> 00:34:01,639 OLD LADY, SHE'S WALKING AROUND WITH A SIX-SHOOTER. [ LAUGHTER ] AND SHE'S KEEPING THE PEACE. 273 00:34:01,706 --> 00:34:06,611 I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANY BETTER, JON. I THOUGHT THIS WAS NORMAL STUFF. >> WHOA... 274 00:34:06,677 --> 00:34:12,650 >> YEAH. THINK IT'S TIME FOR A NEW FLOOR. [ LAUGHTER ] >> BARKLEY ALSO TOOK US TO HIS 275 00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:17,588 OLD JUNIOR HIGH GYM. IT STANDS, BARELY, AS A SYMBOL OF HOW FAR HE'S COME. >> 14, 15-YEAR-OLD CHARLES 276 00:34:17,655 --> 00:34:24,695 BARKLEY WALKING IN HERE. WHO'S THAT KID? >> HE'S A 5'9", 5'10", BIG-BONED, NOT FAT, BIG BONED, 277 00:34:24,762 --> 00:34:31,769 CHUBBY, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE. I'M A 5'10" BACKUP POINT GUARD. >> YOU REMEMBER SPECIFIC PLAYS 278 00:34:31,836 --> 00:34:37,809 AND SHOTS FROM PLAYING HERE? TIE GAME. WE GOT YOU ON THE WING. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IF IT WAS 279 00:34:37,875 --> 00:34:43,514 TIE GAME, I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN THE GAME. LET'S GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. [ LAUGHTER ] 280 00:34:43,581 --> 00:34:48,686 >> A SIX-INCH GROWTH SPURT HELPED TURN BARKLEY INTO A HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL STAR, BUT HIS FORMATIVE TEENAGE EXPERIENCE 281 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:53,624 CAME AT THE SCHOOL FOOTBALL STADIUM. >> WOW. >> THIS IS WHERE HE STOOD ALONE, 282 00:34:53,691 --> 00:35:00,231 AT A DISTANCE, WATCHING HIS CLASSMATES GRADUATE. >> I FLUNKED SPANISH, SO I DIDN'T GRADUATE. 283 00:35:00,298 --> 00:35:07,371 I WAS AT HOME ALL BY MYSELF, DEVASTATED. AND I DROVE AROUND THE BACK SIDE HERE, AND I STOOD HERE FOR TWO 284 00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:15,780 HOURS AND WATCHED THE GRADUATION. AND I CRIED THE WHOLE TIME. EVEN NOW, IT'S KIND OF HITTING 285 00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:21,652 ME IN THE HEART A LITTLE BIT. MAN, WHAT A TRAUMATIC NIGHT THAT WAS. >> YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE 286 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:27,125 TEACHER? >> MS. GOMEZ. I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT. AND MS. GOMEZ, WHEN I GO BACK 287 00:35:27,191 --> 00:35:36,400 AND THINK, WAS ONE OF THE SWEETEST, KINDEST PEOPLE I'D EVER MET IN MY LIFE. BUT IN THAT MOMENT, I WAS SO MAD 288 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:42,940 BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, [ LAUGHTER ] I WANTED TO THROW MY HAT IN THE AIR, TOO. >> HE GRADUATED, THANKS TO 289 00:35:43,007 --> 00:35:47,845 SUMMER SCHOOL. >> AT AUBURN, HE WAS A STAR, YES, FOR HIS SKILLS, BUT ALSO FOR HIS HEROIC APPETITE. 290 00:35:47,912 --> 00:35:55,786 HE EMBRACED HIS NICKNAME: THE ROUND MOUND OF REBOUND. >> CHARLES BARKLEY! WOW! 291 00:35:55,853 --> 00:36:03,160 >> DRAFTED IN 1984, HE BECAME A CHARISMATIC NBA STAR, FOR THE PHILADELPHIA 76ers. >> HERE'S BARKLEY. 292 00:36:03,227 --> 00:36:14,038 >> HE'S THE SHORTEST MAN EVER TO LEAD THE NBA IN REBOUNDING, PROOF THAT -- FOR ALL BARKLEY'S YUKS -- HE PLAYED WITH FURY. 293 00:36:14,105 --> 00:36:20,611 >> I WAS PLAYING TO STICK IT TO MY DAD, MS. GOMEZ, AND SOME OF THE KIDS WHO HAD MADE FUN OF ME, INSTEAD OF JUST WANTING TO BE 294 00:36:20,678 --> 00:36:26,017 GREAT AT BASKETBALL. >> WHAT'S FIRING UP THIS FURNACE IS THE ANGER YOU HAVE FOR YOUR SPANISH TEACHER THAT FLUNKED 295 00:36:26,083 --> 00:36:31,455 YOU. >> YES. >> AND YOUR DAD. >> YES, 100%. 296 00:36:31,522 --> 00:36:36,327 >> WHAT CAUSED YOU TO FLUSH OUT THIS ANGER AND GET MOTIVATED FOR A DIFFERENT REASON? >> THE SPITTING INCIDENT IN NEW 297 00:36:36,394 --> 00:36:41,766 JERSEY. >> IN 1991, HE SPAT AT A HECKLER AND INADVERTENTLY HIT A YOUNG GIRL. 298 00:36:41,832 --> 00:36:47,204 HE CALLS IT THE LOW POINT OF HIS CAREER. >> I GOT SUSPENDED, RIGHTFULLY SO. 299 00:36:47,271 --> 00:37:00,251 I WAS SITTING IN MY HOTEL ROOM, AND I WAS, LIKE, "YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER IN THE WORLD." I REMEMBER SAYING, "THIS IS IT 300 00:37:00,318 --> 00:37:05,723 TONIGHT." >> MEANING WHAT? >> I AM ONLY GOING TO PLAY BASKETBALL BECAUSE I'M GREAT AT 301 00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:11,729 IT, AND I LOVE TO PLAY. I'M GETTING ALL THE DIRT OFF MY SHOULDERS. MS. GOMEZ, BYE! 302 00:37:11,796 --> 00:37:19,837 DAD, BYE! THAT WAS REALLY THE TURNING POINT FOR ME. >> BY SIR CHARLES! 303 00:37:19,904 --> 00:37:29,113 >> BARKLEY WAS THE NBA'S MVP IN 1993 FOR THE PHOENIX SUNS. AND THEN MONTHS AFTER RETIRING IN 2000, HE EMBARKED ON A 304 00:37:29,180 --> 00:37:36,220 BROADCASTING CAREER. >> NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NO DOMINANT TEAM. >> FULL DISCLOSURE, YOU MAY HAVE 305 00:37:36,287 --> 00:37:42,693 SEEN HIM ON THIS NETWORK WORKING MARCH MADNESS. >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE COLLEGE GAME TODAY? 306 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:48,299 >> IT'S A TRAVESTY AND A DISGRACE. I'M SO MAD NOW HOW WE CAN MESS UP SOMETHING THAT'S SO 307 00:37:48,366 --> 00:37:53,771 BEAUTIFUL. >> HOW'D WE MESS IT UP? >> WE CAN'T PAY ALL THESE PLAYERS. 308 00:37:53,838 --> 00:38:00,311 >> TRANSLATION: BARKLEY HATES THE NEW, WILD WEST OF COLLEGE SPORTS WHERE PLAYERS GO TO THE SCHOOLS THAT CAN BID THE 309 00:38:00,378 --> 00:38:08,519 HIGHEST. >> IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 25 SCHOOLS THAT'S GOING TO DOMINATE 310 00:38:08,586 --> 00:38:17,294 THE SPORTS BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD PLAYERS, AND THESE SCHOOLS WHO CAN'T AFFORD OR WON'T PAY PLAYERS ARE GOING TO 311 00:38:17,361 --> 00:38:23,300 BE IRRELEVANT. >> ALMOST A QUARTER CENTURY SINCE BARKLEY LAST PLAYED... >> AND NOW FOR MY OPINION... 312 00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:29,807 >> ...HIS OPINIONS, FREE OF VARNISH, STILL MATTER. >> IS KEVIN DURANT A GREAT, GREAT PLAYER? 313 00:38:29,874 --> 00:38:34,679 >> IF YOU AIN'T DRIVING THE BUS, DON'T WALK AROUND TALKING ABOUT YOU A CHAMPION. >> HIS TAKES DON'T ALWAYS GO 314 00:38:34,745 --> 00:38:39,050 OVER WELL. KEVIN DURANT, A PERENNIAL ALL-STAR, ONCE SAID OF BARKLEY, "I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY STILL ASK 315 00:38:39,116 --> 00:38:47,191 FOR THIS IDIOT'S OPINION." >> KEVIN DURANT. >> HE'S VERY SENSITIVE. GREAT PLAYER. 316 00:38:47,258 --> 00:38:52,663 HE'S PART OF THAT GENERATION WHO THINK HE CAN'T BE CRITICIZED. HE'S NEVER LOOKED IN THE MIRROR AND SAID, "MAN, WAS THAT A FAIR 317 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:59,203 CRITICISM?" >> WE'RE IN AGREEMENT TODAY'S PLAYERS ARE A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE TO CRITICISM THAN YOUR 318 00:38:59,270 --> 00:39:04,208 GENERATION. >> THAT WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. >> TODAY'S PLAYERS TAKE OFFENSE, 319 00:39:04,275 --> 00:39:08,479 BUT SO HAVE PLAYERS FROM YOUR GENERATION. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU AND MICHAEL JORDAN SPOKE. 320 00:39:08,546 --> 00:39:12,883 >> MICHAEL DISAGREED WITH SOMETHING I SAID, AND HE BROKE OFF THE FRIENDSHIP. >> BORN THREE DAYS APART, 321 00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:18,322 BARKLEY AND JORDAN WERE ONCE THE BEST OF FRIENDS. BUT AS JORDAN STRUGGLED AS OWNER OF THE CHARLOTTE HORNETS, 322 00:39:18,389 --> 00:39:24,895 BARKLEY MINCED NO WORDS. >> AND WHAT I SAID. I THINK THAT HE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE AROUND HIM THAT 323 00:39:24,962 --> 00:39:32,570 ARE GOING TO TELL HIM NO. AND HE GOT REALLY OFFENDED, AND WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN. BUT, JON, I REALLY -- I'M GOING 324 00:39:32,636 --> 00:39:44,048 TO DO MY JOB. BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY IF I CRITICIZE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE SAME BOAT AND NOT CRITICIZE 325 00:39:44,115 --> 00:39:48,319 MY BEST FRIEND. >> EVEN IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR, YOU THINK OF JUST PICKING UP THE PHONE AND TRYING 326 00:39:48,385 --> 00:39:54,325 TO REPAIR THIS THING WITH MICHAEL? >> I GOT AN EGO TOO, JON. [ LAUGHTER ] 327 00:39:54,391 --> 00:40:00,297 YOU CAN'T BE GREAT AT SOMETHING, LIKE THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO BE A JERK. >> YOU THINK YOU'LL RESOLVE THIS 328 00:40:00,364 --> 00:40:07,938 EVENTUALLY? >> HE GOT MY NUMBER. >> IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET BARKLEY GOING ON DISAPPOINTMENT, 329 00:40:08,005 --> 00:40:15,646 ASK HIM ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER CHRISTIANA'S BASKETBALL SKILLS. >> YOUR DAUGHTER'S NOT A BASKETBALL PLAYER. 330 00:40:15,713 --> 00:40:23,320 >> THAT WAS, THAT WAS BRUTAL. SHE WAS SIX FEET TALL FROM BIRTH. [ LAUGHTER ] 331 00:40:23,387 --> 00:40:27,691 I'M GOING TO HAVE THE BEST FEMALE BASKETBALL PLAYER IN THE WORLD. I CAN'T WAIT TILL SHE'S OLD 332 00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:35,833 ENOUGH. I'M GOING TO TEACH HER EVERYTHING. AND THEN WE START PLAYING AND 333 00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:41,872 I'M SITTING IN THE STANDS, AND I'M SAYING TO MYSELF, OH, MAN, SHE IS NOT AGGRESSIVE AT ALL. [ LAUGHTER ] 334 00:40:41,939 --> 00:40:47,845 SO I ASK HER ONE DAY, I SAYS, "YOU DON'T LIKE BASKETBALL, DO YOU?" SHE SAYS, "OH, DAD, I HATE 335 00:40:47,912 --> 00:40:53,317 BASKETBALL." AND I SAID, "OH, OKAY." [ LAUGHTER ] AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO GET 336 00:40:53,384 --> 00:40:58,389 OVER THAT, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID... >> YOU'RE BEING SERIOUS NOW? >> YEAH. 337 00:40:58,455 --> 00:41:03,194 BUT SHE'S A GREAT PERSON AND A STRAIGHT-A STUDENT. SO I HAVE TO BRAG ABOUT THAT. >> I GUARANTEE THAT MAKES YOU 338 00:41:03,260 --> 00:41:08,132 FEEL EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS HER HITTING A GAME-WINNING JUMPER. >> NOT QUITE. BUT -- 339 00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:13,571 [ LAUGHTER ] -- IT IS CLOSE ENOUGH. >> HI, DAD. >> CHRISTIANA, NOW 34, RECENTLY 340 00:41:13,637 --> 00:41:19,076 HAD A SON, HENRY. THE NEW GRANDPA SAYS HE'S NEVER FELT JOY LIKE THIS. WHEN WE ARRIVED, HE BROKE OUT 341 00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:25,082 THIS VIDEO. >> IT IS BY FAR AND AWAY THE GREATEST THING THAT'S EVER HAPPENED TO ME IN MY LIFE. 342 00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:37,561 >> LIVES UP TO THE HYPE? >> IT LIVES UP TO THE HYPE. I WANT TO SPEND TIME WITH HIM, BECAUSE I'M NOT MORBID, I'M NOT 343 00:41:37,628 --> 00:41:46,203 UPSET, I'M ON THE BACK NINE. I HOPE I'M ON HOLE 10 OR 11, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. I COULD BE ON 17 AND 18. 344 00:41:46,270 --> 00:41:54,411 SO I WANT TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME WITH HIM AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN WHEN HE GETS OLDER, I WANT HIM TO GOOGLE ME. 345 00:41:54,478 --> 00:41:59,316 >> GOOGLE ME, KID. >> YEAH, HEY, YEAH. >> DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? >> I HOPE HE DOES SOME RESEARCH 346 00:41:59,383 --> 00:42:04,288 ON ME. I'LL BE LONG GONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE HIM TO KNOW THAT I ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS IN MY 347 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,658 LIFE. 348 00:42:12,663 --> 00:42:29,179 >> I GOT TO LIVE MY DREAM. >> CHARLES BARKLEY ON GRATITUDE. >> IF YOU THINK I'M BETTER OR I WORK HARDER, YOU'RE JUST 349 00:42:29,246 --> 00:42:49,266 >>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES.