>>> WHEN A CEMETERY DISAPPEARS, WHAT IS LOST? >> HISTORY. >> A CEMETERY SUPPOSED TO BE
YOUR FINAL RESTING PLACE. >> HONORABLE PLACE. >> FINAL. >> IN CLEARWATER, FLORIDA,
THEY'RE DEBATING HOW TO HONOR THE DEAD NOW ENTOMBED BENEATH A SCHOOL, MISSOURI AVENUE, AND AN OFFICE COMPLEX, AN ENDURING
LEGACY OF SEGREGATION. >> TEAR DOWN THAT BUILDING, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED! >>> WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE MAIN
WATER SOURCE FOR THE SOUTHWEST BEGINS TO RUN DRY? THE COLORADO RIVER SERVES 40 MILLION PEOPLE THEIR DRINKING
WATER, POWERS THEIR HOMES, AND IRRIGATES 90% OF THE NATION'S WINTER FARMED GREENS. TO ALL THOSE DEMANDS ADD THE
STRESS OF A 23-YEAR DROUGHT, AND YOU HAVE THE MAKINGS OF A CRISIS. >> THESE WHITE BATHTUB RINGS, IS
THIS WHERE THE WATER USED TO BE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >>> CHARLES BARKLEY IS AN NBA HALL OF FAMER, WHO IN
RETIREMENT -- >> YEAH ONLY THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY SUCK." >> -- ENDED UP REBOUNDING INTO A
JOB THAT HAS MADE HIM ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AND COLORFUL SPORTS ANALYSTS EVER, YES, EVER. >> WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE PEOPLE
WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU? >> I THINK THEY KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, I'M GOING TO BE FAIR, I DON'T HAVE A HIDDEN
AGENDA. NOT MANY PEOPLE ON TV THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT.
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>> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M CECILIA VEGA. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60
MINUTES." >>> NO ONE CAN SAY WHEN HUMAN REMAINS BEGAN SURFACING IN CLEARWATER, FLORIDA.
THERE WAS THE PIPELINE CREW THAT CHURNED UP BONES IN A TRENCH. LATER, REMAINS OF THE DEAD WERE FOUND AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, A
SWIMMING POOL, AND AN OFFICE BUILDING. IT SEEMED LIKE SOMETHING OF A CURSE FOR WHAT HAD BEEN DONE IN
THE NAME OF PROGRESS -- AND GREED -- IN THE OLD SEGREGATED SOUTH. AS WE FIRST REPORTED LAST FALL,
THE TRUTH OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THE '40s AND '50s WAS MEANT TO STAY BURIED, BUT IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED CLEARWATER
HEIGHTS, RESIDENTS WITH LONG MEMORIES RECOGNIZED A GRAVE INJUSTICE. IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE 20th
CENTURY, CLEARWATER HEIGHTS WAS A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD -- THRIVING, PROUD AND ANCHORED BY FAITH.
>> FRIENDSHIP MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, BETHANY C.M.E., AND NEW ZION MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH WERE ALL LOCATED ON THE HEIGHTS.
>> AND SO IS ST. MATTHEWS BAPTIST WHERE WE HEARD STORIES OF CHILDHOOD IN THE HEIGHTS INCLUDING THOSE OF DIANE
STEPHENS AND ELEANOR BRELAND. >> THEY HAD BUSINESSES, BARBERSHOPS. THERE WERE HAIRDRESSERS OVER
THERE. THERE WAS A CAB COMPANY. IT ONLY HAD ONE CAB, BUT IT WAS STILL A CAB COMPANY.
>> RIGHT THERE ON GREENWOOD, THEY HAD DIFFERENT PLACES WHERE EVEN RAY CHARLES PERFORMED THERE.
ALSO, JAMES BROWN PERFORMED UP THERE. >> BUT EVEN THE FAMOUS COULD NOT STAY IN A WHITE CLEARWATER
HOTEL, OR WALK ON THE BEACH OR SWIM IN THE BAY. SEGREGATION BOUND THEIR LIVES AND EXILED EVEN THEIR MEMORY TO
SEGREGATED GRAVEYARDS. >> HOW MANY OF YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE ANCESTORS IN ONE OF THESE CEMETERIES?
ABOUT HALF OF YOU. >> THE SEGREGATED CEMETERIES OF CLEARWATER WERE SACRED GROUND UNTIL THE GROUND BECAME
VALUABLE. IN THE 1950s, HEADLINES ANNOUNCED THAT THE CITY OF CLEARWATER MADE A DEAL ON MOVING
A "NEGRO" CEMETERY. HUNDREDS OF AFRICAN AMERICAN BODIES WERE TO BE REBURIED TO MAKE WAY FOR A SWIMMING POOL.
A DEPARTMENT STORE WAS PLANNED FOR THE SITE OF ANOTHER BLACK CEMETERY, WHERE, AGAIN, THE BODIES WERE TO BE MOVED.
BUT O'NEAL LARKIN REMEMBERS, MANY YEARS LATER, HIS FIRST REVELATION THAT SOMETHING WAS TERRIBLY WRONG.
>> IT'S NOT AN IMAGINARY THING THAT I SEEN. IT'S WHAT I SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES.
>> LARKIN, 83 YEARS OLD, WATCHED A CONSTRUCTION CREW, IN 1984, DIG A TRENCH THROUGH THE SITE OF A "RELOCATED" BLACK CEMETERY.
>> BUT I REMEMBER THE PARKING LOT WHERE THE ENGINEERS -- TRAFFIC ENGINEER WAS CUTTING THE LINES THROUGH, AND THEY CUT
THROUGH TWO COFFINS. THAT WAS MY FIRST KNOWLEDGE OF SEEING IT BECAUSE I WALKED OUT THERE, AND I SEEN IT MYSELF.
>> IN 2019, THE TAMPA BAY TIMES REPORTED MANY SEGREGATED CEMETERIES IN FLORIDA HAD BEEN, ESSENTIALLY, PAVED.
IT WAS THEN THAT THE MODERN CITY OF CLEARWATER DECIDED TO EXHUME THE TRUTH. >> PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE TREATED
WITH RESPECT. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. >> REBECCA O'SULLIVAN AND ERIN McKENDRY ARE ARCHAEOLOGISTS FOR
A COMPANY CALLED CARDNO. CARDNO WAS HIRED BY THE CITY TO MAP THE DESECRATION. >> THESE INDIVIDUALS WERE LOVED.
THEY WERE FAMILY MEMBERS, THEY WERE FATHERS AND MOTHERS. AND THEY WERE INTERRED WITH LOVE.
>> McKENDRY AND O'SULLIVAN PUSHED GROUND PENETRATING RADAR OVER A SEGREGATED CEMETERY WHERE THIS OFFICE SITE STANDS TODAY.
THIS OVERLAY SHOWS PART OF THEIR DISCOVERY, 328 LIKELY GRAVES, MANY, UNDER THE PARKING LOT, PERHAPS A FEW UNDER THE BUILDING
AND MORE THERE ON THE RIGHT BENEATH SOUTH MISSOURI AVENUE. 550 GRAVES ARE IN THE CEMETERY'S RECORD, McKENDRY AND O'SULLIVAN
FOUND EVIDENCE OF 11 HAVING BEEN MOVED IN THE 1950s. >> SO THERE MAY BE HUNDREDS OF BODIES STILL AT THAT SITE?
>> IT'S POSSIBLE. >> NOT FAR AWAY, THE ARCHAEOLOGISTS PROBED ANOTHER FORMER CEMETERY.
>> THERE'S MORE OF WHAT LOOKS LIKE THE INTACT GRAVES. >> HERE, IN THE 1950s, RATHER THAN INTEGRATE THE WHITE
COMMUNITY POOL, THE CITY SAID IT WOULD MOVE HUNDREDS OF BODIES TO BUILD A BLACK SWIMMING POOL AND A BLACK SCHOOL.
>> BUT THE BODIES WEREN'T REMOVED? >> BUT THE BODIES WERE NOT REMOVED.
>> CARDNO FOUND THE PROOF LAST YEAR. IT EXCAVATED JUST DEEP ENOUGH TO CONFIRM WHAT GROUND PENETRATING
RADAR HAD SUGGESTED. >> IT IS THEIR RESTING PLACE... >> A PRAYER WAS SAID OVER THE SITE, THEN THEY PLANED THE
SAND... AND SIEVED A CENTURY OF TIME IN SEARCH OF GRAVE MARKERS OR TRIBUTES.
INEVITABLY, RELICS INCLUDED HUMAN REMAINS. TEETH AT THE OFFICE BUILDING SITE...
...AND BONES AT THE SCHOOL WHICH HAD CLOSED IN 2008, BECAUSE IT WAS OBSOLETE. >> ARE THERE GRAVE SITES
UNDERNEATH THE SCHOOL? >> ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED DOES INDICATE THAT THERE ARE
ADDITIONAL BURIALS LIKELY BELOW THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT SCHOOL BUILDING. >> I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF
THEY DIDN'T FIND ANY BONES WHEN THEY WERE OVER THERE. >> OH, THEY HAD TO. >> O'NEAL LARKIN WATCHED THE
EXCAVATION AND IMAGINED THE GROUNDBREAKING AT THE SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION SITE IN 1961. >> TO DIG THE FOUNDATION TO PUT
THIS SCHOOL UPON...THEY HAD TO HIT SOME FORM OF REMAINS. >> IT'S LIKELY SOME FAMILIES COULD NOT AFFORD A TOMBSTONE,
BUT THE ARCHAEOLOGISTS FOUND GRAVES WERE MARKED. >> DOESN'T THAT LOOK LIKE ONE OF THOSE METAL PLAQUE THINGS?
>> THIS IS A MARKER THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED INITIALLY AFTER THE BURIAL IF A STONE WAS NOT READY TO BE PLACED.
AND IN SOME CASES, THIS IS ALL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN USED TO MARK THE LOCATION OF A BURIAL. >> ERIN McKENDRY SHOWED US
CARDNO'S CATALOG OF EVIDENCE. >> IT'S A MERCURY DIME. >> IT IS A MERCURY DIME. >> THIS DIME, NEW IN '42, WAS
AMONG MANY TRIBUTES LEFT WITH THE DEAD. >> WE ALSO FOUND THIS BRASS WEDDING RING AT APPROXIMATELY
THE SAME LOCATION AND THE SAME DEPTH AS THE DIME. >> THE TRIBUTES AND DISTURBED HUMAN REMAINS WERE CAREFULLY
REBURIED EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE FOUND PENDING A DECISION ON WHAT TO DO NEXT. >> IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THESE
PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERRED AND THEN LOST, WHAT WOULD YOU TELL THEM? >> I HEAR YOU.
I'M WORKING. I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS, THE LIFE YOU LIVED.
I RECOGNIZE AND SEE YOUR HUMANITY. >> THE CHEAPEST LAND, THE WORST PLACES.
>> ANTHROPOLOGIST ANTOINETTE JACKSON LEADS "THE AFRICAN AMERICAN BURIAL GROUND PROJECT" AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH
FLORIDA. SHE'S BUILDING A DATABASE OF DESECRATED CEMETERIES. >> NOT JUST CLEARWATER, IT'S
NATIONALLY FROM NEW YORK ALL THE WAY OUT TOWARD TEXAS, AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SOUTH FLORIDA WHERE THESE CEMETERIES HAD BEEN
BUILT OVER -- ERASED, MARGINALIZED, UNDERFUNDED AND NEED SUPPORT IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM WHOLE AND HAVE THIS HISTORY
KNOWN. >> THIS IS NOT AN ISOLATED STORY, UNFORTUNATELY. >> SO FAR, JACKSON HAS LISTED
ABOUT 107 EFFACED BLACK CEMETERIES NATIONWIDE. >> UNDERNEATH THE CURRENT HOUSING.
>> UNDER HOUSING -- FREEWAYS, AND THE COUNTY OWNED PARKING LOT OF TROPICANA FIELD, HOME TO BASEBALL'S TAMPA BAY RAYS.
>> WHAT WE WANT TO BRING FORWARD IS THE MEMORY, THE KNOWLEDGE THAT THESE SITES WERE THERE, THESE PLACES, THESE CEMETERIES,
THESE FAMILIES WERE THERE, LIVE, DIED, WORKED, CONTRIBUTED TO OUR COUNTRY, TO THEIR COMMUNITIES, TO OUR HOMETOWNS.
>> IS THERE EVIDENCE OF WHITE CEMETERIES BEING LOST, ABANDONED, FORGOTTEN IN THE WAY THAT THESE ARE?
>> THERE ARE ABANDONED CEMETERIES ACROSS THE BOARD. THERE ARE CEMETERIES THAT ARE NOT ONLY AFRICAN AMERICAN
CEMETERIES OR BLACK CEMETERIES THAT HAVE BEEN IN SOME WAY DESECRATED, BUT THE ISSUE IS MORE ACUTE WITH BLACK CEMETERIES
BECAUSE OF ISSUES LIKE SLAVERY, SEGREGATION IN WHICH THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY WERE LEGALLY AND INTENTIONALLY
CONSIDERED LESSER THAN OR MARGINALIZED BY LAW. >> WHEN A CEMETERY DISAPPEARS, WHAT IS LOST?
>> HISTORY. >> HISTORY. >> A GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT BECAUSE YOU CAN NO LONGER VISIT
AND BRING CLOSURE TO YOUR OWN SOUL. >> A CEMETERY SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR FINAL RESTING PLACE.
>> HONORABLE PLACE. >> FINAL. >> IN CLEARWATER, THEY'RE DEBATING HOW TO HONOR THOSE
ENTOMBED BENEATH THE SCHOOL, SOUTH MISSOURI AVENUE AND THE PROPERTY OF THE FRANKCRUM COMPANY WHICH BOUGHT ITS
HEADQUARTERS FOR ITS STAFFING BUSINESS DECADES AFTER THE CEMETERY WAS ERASED. >> I'M SURE THAT, WHEN THEY
PURCHASED THAT PROPERTY, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WERE BODIES THERE. >> ZEBBIE ATKINSON IS THE FORMER
HEAD OF THE CLEARWATER NAACP. >> WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THAT DISTURBING MISSOURI AVENUE,
DISTURBING THE FRANKCRUM CORPORATION, DISTURBING THE SCHOOLS, WAY TOO MUCH EFFORT AT THIS POINT IN TIME?
>> I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR CALL. THEY HAVE NO FAMILY BURIED THERE.
>> ATKINSON IS HELPING LEAD THE CONVERSATION OF WHAT TO DO NOW AMONG DESCENDANTS, BUSINESSES AND THE CITY.
>> SEE THE TEETH... >> SOME PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE THE BODIES MOVED TO A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN PROPERLY MEMORIALIZE
THEM. SOME OF THE DESCENDANT COMMUNITY WANTS TO LET THE PEOPLE STAY WHERE THEY ARE.
THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. >> HOW DO YOU WORK THEM OUT? >> WE HAVE TO SIT AND TALK ABOUT
IT. I MEAN, THERE IS NO EASY ANSWER WITH THAT. >> WHETHER THE FAILURE, IN THE
LAST CENTURY, TO MOVE THE GRAVES WAS DECEIT, INCOMPETENCE, AND INDIFFERENCE, WE DO NOT KNOW. BUT TODAY, CLEARWATER IS
SPENDING $291,000 TO LEARN THE TRUTH. THE CITY TOLD US IT IS SEARCHING FOR A COMPROMISE THAT WILL HONOR
THE DEAD. THE FRANKCRUM COMPANY TOLD US IT WANTS TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY'S SOLUTION.
IDEAS INCLUDE MONUMENTS. BUT FOR A FEW, LIKE O'NEAL LARKIN, THERE'S ONLY ONE ROUTE TO JUSTICE.
>> TEAR IT DOWN. >> TEAR THE BUILDING DOWN? >> TEAR IT DOWN. TEAR DOWN THAT BUILDING, AS FAR
AS I'M CONCERNED. TEAR THE SCHOOL DOWN. MAKE IT A SHRINE OF MEMORIES THAT PEOPLE CAN GO AND USE IT IN
A PROPER WAY OF REMEMBERING. TO TREAT THEM WITH MORE DIGNITY THAN WHAT THIS HAS BEEN TREATED. >> WE NOTICED DIGNITY WAS
TREATED GENTLY IN THE WHITE CEMETERIES OF CLEARWATER. IN THIS ONE, WE FOUND A MONUMENT TO A CONFEDERATE SOLDIER.
HIS GRAVE DECORATED TODAY WITH A FRESH BANNER OF RACISM. BUT WHEN THIS CONFEDERATE SACRED GROUND FOUND ITSELF BLOCKING THE
ROAD TO PROGRESS, THE SMALL CEMETERY, UNDER THOSE TREES IN THE MIDDLE, WAS GRANTED A REVERENT, CIRCULAR DETOUR.
OF THOSE CITIZENS BURIED IN THE BLACK CEMETERIES OF CLEARWATER, WE HAVE IMAGES OF ONLY THESE: THE REVEREND ARTHUR L. JACKSON,
THE REVEREND JOSEPH HINES, AND MACK DIXONSR. WHO WAS BURIED BESIDE HIS WIFE, FLORENCE, THREE CHILDREN AND TWO GRANDCHILDREN.
WE DO NOT KNOW THE FACES OF 500 MORE WHO REMAIN FOREVER BOUND BY SEGREGATION AND LOST TO THE MEMORY OF TIME.
>>> THE DROUGHT-STRICKEN COLORADO RIVER IS IN CRITICAL CONDITION. ALMOST TWO YEARS AGO, THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECLARED THE FIRST EVER SHORTAGE ON THE RIVER, TRIGGERING CUTS TO WATER SUPPLIES IN THE SOUTHWEST.
TODAY, THE RIVER REMAINS UNSUSTAINABLY LOW. THE COLORADO IS THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE REGION.
IT WATERS SOME OF THE COUNTRY'S FASTEST GROWING CITIES, NOURISHES SOME OF OUR MOST FERTILE FIELDS, AND POWERS
$1.4 TRILLION IN ANNUAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY. THE RIVER RUNS MORE THAN 1,400 MILES, FROM HEADWATERS IN THE
ROCKIES TO ITS DELTA IN NORTHERN MEXICO WHERE IT ENDS IN A TRICKLE. SEVEN STATES AND 30 NATIVE
AMERICAN TRIBES LIE IN THE COLORADO RIVER BASIN. AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN 2021, THE RIVER HAS BEEN RUNNING DRY
DUE TO THE HISTORICALLY SEVERE DROUGHT. >> THE MAJESTIC, MEANDERING COLORADO RIVER THAT CUT THROUGH
THESE RED CLIFFS, CARVING THE GRAND CANYON, IS A WONDER OF NATURE AND HUMAN INGENUITY. THE GLEN CANYON DAM CREATED LAKE
POWELL, AND 300 MILES DOWN RIVER LAKE MEAD SITS BEHIND THE HOOVER DAM. THESE RESERVOIRS ARE NOW BEING
SUCKED DRY BY 40 MILLION DIFFERENT STRAWS -- THAT'S THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN BOOMING WESTERN STATES WHO DEPEND ON THE
COLORADO TO QUENCH THEIR THIRST, POWER THEIR HOMES, WATER LAWNS AND SPLASH IN THE SUN. ITS WATERS IRRIGATE FARMS THAT
PRODUCE 90% OF THE COUNTRY'S WINTER GREENS. TO ALL THESE DEMANDS ADD THE STRESS OF A 23-YEAR DROUGHT --
AS DRY AS ANY PERIOD IN 1,200 YEARS -- AND YOU HAVE A RIVER IN CRISIS. >> THESE WHITE BATHTUB RINGS, IS
THIS WHERE THE WATER USED TO BE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> BRAD UDALL, A CLIMATE SCIENTIST AT COLORADO STATE
UNIVERSITY, WENT OUT ON LAKE POWELL WITH US. >> SO ALL OF THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDERWATER?
>> YEAH. >> SO WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THE COLORADO RIVER?
>> WELL, IT'S A SIGNAL OF THE LONG-TERM PROBLEM WE'VE BEEN SEEING SINCE THE YEAR 2000, WHICH IS CLIMATE CHANGE IS
REDUCING THE FLOWS OF THE COLORADO SIGNIFICANTLY. >> LAKE POWELL AND LAKE MEAD, THE TWO BIGGEST RESERVOIRS IN
THE COUNTRY, WERE NEARLY FULL IN 2000. BY 2021, THEY'D FALLEN TO ABOUT 30% CAPACITY.
>> THE LAKE'S NOW 155 FEET BELOW FULL. IT'S DROPPED SOMETHING LIKE 50 FEET THIS YEAR.
>> AND IT'S STILL DROPPING? >> YES. AND THAT'S WHEN POWER GENERATION ACTUALLY BECOMES TO COME INTO
QUESTION. >> SO IT DROPS SO LOW THAT IT MAY NOT BE ABLE TO -- >> IT MAY --
>> -- GENERATE -- >> -- NOT BE ABLE TO GENERATE POWER -- >> HYDROELECTRIC POWER?
>> YEAH. >> BRAD UDALL HAS STRONG CONNECTIONS TO THE RIVER. AS SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR,
HIS UNCLE, STEWART UDALL, OPENED THE GLEN CANYON DAM. HIS FATHER, CONGRESSMAN MO UDALL, FOUGHT TO CHANNEL
RIVER WATER TO ARIZONA. AS A YOUNG MAN, BRAD WAS A COLORADO RIVER GUIDE. TODAY HE ANALYZES THE IMPACT OF
CLIMATE CHANGE ON WATER RESOURCES. >> IS THE WEST ON A COLLISION COURSE WITH CLIMATE CHANGE?
>> IN SOME WAYS, YES, BUT WE HAVE FULLY UTILIZED THIS SYSTEM. WE'VE OVER-ALLOCATED IT, AND WE NOW NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW TO
TURN SOME OF THIS BACK. BECAUSE THE ONLY LEVER WE CONTROL RIGHT NOW IN THE RIVER IS THE DEMAND LEVER.
WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE SUPPLY. SO WE HAVE TO DIAL BACK DEMAND. >> 70% OF COLORADO RIVER WATER
GOES TO AGRICULTURE. WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECLARED THE WATER SHORTAGE, IT TRIGGERED MANDATORY CUTBACKS.
PINAL COUNTY, ARIZONA, GOT HIT HARD. >> PINAL COUNTY ALONE, WE'RE GOING TO BE LOSING 300,000 ACRE
FEET OF SURFACE WATER. THAT'S WATER THAT WOULD BE DELIVERED FROM LAKE POWELL, LAKE MEAD.
AS PART OF THE COLORADO RIVER. 300,000 ACRE FEET IS 98 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER. >> WAYLON WUERTZ FARMS 500 ACRES
IN PINAL COUNTY, SOUTH OF PHOENIX. HIS FAMILY HAS TILLED SOIL HERE FOR FOUR GENERATIONS.
IT'S SOME OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE LAND IN THE STATE. CROPS FROM PINAL COUNTY ARE SHIPPED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
WUERTZ GROWS GOURDS, COTTON, AND ALFALFA -- PROFITABLE, BUT THIRSTY CROPS AND HIS ALLOTMENT OF COLORADO RIVER WATER IS BEING
CUT BY 70%. >> THIS IS COLORADO RIVER WATER? >> YEP, KIND OF THE LIFE LINE OF OUR IRRIGATED AG HERE.
>> THIS COMES STRAIGHT IN FROM LAKE MEAD? >> CORRECT. THIS IS -- THROUGH HUNDREDS OF
MILES OF CANAL SYSTEM. IT'S MADE ITS WAY DOWN HERE TO CENTRAL ARIZONA. >> AND WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOUR
WATER IS SUPPLIED BY THIS CANAL? >> IT'S BEEN CLOSE TO 50% OF THE WATER THAT WE'VE USED TO -- TO FARM HERE.
AND THIS NEXT YEAR IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DROP DOWN TO ABOUT 20% OF THE WATER THAT WE USE. THAT'S ONE-SEVENTH OF WHAT HE
WAS GETTING A DECADE AGO. TO USE LESS WATER AND MAKE ENDS MEET, WUERTZ SOLD MORE THAN 300 ACRES TO A SOLAR FARM.
HE DIPPED INTO RETIREMENT FUNDS TO REPAIR AND RESTART OLD WELLS. HE LASER-LEVELED HIS FIELDS TO MAKE IRRIGATION MORE EFFICIENT.
>> BUT IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS DROUGHT. >> NO, IT'S NOT ENOUGH. >> SO, HE TOLD US HE'LL HAVE TO
LEAVE 150 ACRES UNCULTIVATED. >> WHAT YOU SEE GREEN HERE IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO DIE. I HOPE WE'LL HAVE ENOUGH WATER
TO PLANT IT IN THE FUTURE. BUT MORE THAN LIKELY IT'S GOING TO STAY BROWN FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
>> ALL THE WATER USERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING TO KEEP THAT WATER IN THE LAKE. >> AMELIA FLORES IS CHAIRWOMAN
OF THE COLORADO RIVER INDIAN TRIBES, A RESERVATION OF FOUR TRIBES A FEW HOURS WEST OF PHOENIX, WITH THE OLDEST AND
LARGEST WATER RIGHTS IN ARIZONA. AFTER BEING MOVED TO RESERVATIONS, SOUTHWEST TRIBES GOT RIGHTS TO ABOUT A QUARTER OF
THE RIVER'S FLOW, BUT GOVERNMENT RED TAPE AND LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE HAVE PREVENTED THEM FROM USING THEIR FULL
ALLOTMENT. FLORES TOLD US UNTIL THIS DROUGHT, TRIBES WERE NEVER INCLUDED IN WATER NEGOTIATIONS.
>> WHY HAD YOU NOT HAD A SEAT AT THE TABLE BEFORE THIS? >> BECAUSE THE TRIBES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN OVERLOOKED IN THE
POLICYMAKING AND -- AND IN THE LAW OF THE RIVER. BUT THAT DAY HAS COME TO AN END. >> WHEN WESTERN STATES FIRST
DIVVIED UP THE COLORADO RIVER IN 1922, AND LATER WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUILT THE HOOVER AND GLEN CANYON DAMS, THE FUTURE
SEEMED BOUNDLESS AND MANAGEABLE. THROUGH NEGOTIATION AND COURT BATTLES, STATES WORKED OUT AGREEMENTS -- THE LAW OF THE
RIVER -- TO SPLIT THE WATER EQUALLY BETWEEN UPPER AND LOWER BASIN STATES. THE LOWER STATES USE JUST ABOUT
ALL THEIR ALLOTMENT AND IT'S FED THEIR TREMENDOUS GROWTH. THE UPPER STATES HAVE NEVER USED THEIR FULL SHARE.
NOW, THEY ARE BOOMING AND SAY THEY NEED THE WATER THEY'VE BEEN PROMISED. >> I CAN SEE THE BATHTUB RINGS
AROUND HERE TOO. >> WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERY DROP OF WATER WE CAN INTO THIS RESERVOIR FOR NEXT YEAR'S
DRINKING WATER. >> ZACH RENSTROM MANAGES THE WATER SYSTEM FOR WASHINGTON COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST UTAH.
ST. GEORGE, THE COUNTY SEAT, IS ONE OF THE FASTEST GROWING METRO AREAS IN THE U.S. ITS POPULATION GREW 29% THIS
PAST DECADE. THE STATE OF UTAH GETS ABOUT A QUARTER OF ITS WATER FROM THE COLORADO, BUT MOST OF WASHINGTON
COUNTY HAS ONLY ONE SOURCE, THE VIRGIN RIVER, WHICH FILLS THIS RESERVOIR. >> SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN THE
PROCESS OF IMPLEMENTING REALLY STRICT CONSERVATION MEASURES. AND IF THE CITIES DON'T ADOPT THOSE STANDARDS, THEN WE'LL BE
OUT OF WATER VERY QUICKLY. >> WHAT IS VERY QUICKLY? >> WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN YEARS.
>> SO, IN THE MIDST OF THIS DROUGHT, UTAH IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A $1 TO $2 BILLION PIPELINE ABLE TO BRING 27
BILLION GALLONS OF WATER A YEAR FROM DWINDLING LAKE POWELL. UTAH SAYS IT'S ENTITLED TO THE WATER BY LAW.
>> YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SIPHONING OFF WATER FROM A LAKE THAT'S ALREADY AT A CRITICALLY LOW LEVEL TO HELP A CITY GROW IN
THE DESERT. >> EVERY STATE ON THE COLORADO RIVER WAS ALLOTTED SO MUCH WATER AND A WATER BUDGET.
AND SO WITH THEIR WATER BUDGET, THE STATE OF UTAH HAS DECIDED THAT IT WANTS TO USE A PORTION OF ITS WATER HERE IN ST. GEORGE,
UTAH. >> BUT IT WAS A BUDGET THAT WAS SET WHEN WATER WAS PLENTIFUL. IT ISN'T ANYMORE.
WHAT IS UTAH HOPING FOR? >> UTAH WANTS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT EVERY OTHER BASIN STATE HAS DONE.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE WATER FOR OUR FUTURE, FOR A HOTTER, DRIER SCENARIO THAT'S COMING UP.
>> BUILDING A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PIPELINE TO PUMP OUT MORE WATER FROM AN ALREADY RAPIDLY DECLINING RESERVOIR SIMPLY
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THE 21st CENTURY. >> JB HAMBY IS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD THAT RUNS CALIFORNIA'S
IMPERIAL IRRIGATION DISTRICT, ONE OF THE RICHEST AGRICULTURAL REGIONS IN THE COUNTRY WITH THE SINGLE LARGEST ALLOCATION OF
WATER ON THE ENTIRE RIVER. >> THERE'S A LOT OF URBAN GROWTH AND SPRAWL OCCURRING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COLORADO RIVER
BASIN THAT'S REALLY NOT NECESSARILY SUSTAINABLE. >> HAMBY SAYS CALIFORNIA'S IMPERIAL VALLEY FARMS HAVE CUT
WATER USAGE ALMOST 16% SINCE 2003, BUT POINTS OUT AS THE POPULATION OF ST. GEORGE, UTAH, GROWS, SO DOES ITS WATER USE.
>> WE NEED TO THINK AND RETHINK ABOUT HOW WE GROW AND IF WE GROW AND WHERE WE GROW. >> ST. GEORGE WOULD SAY THAT
THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR MORE. THEY'RE ASKING FOR WHAT THEY NEED. >> I THINK WHAT WE ALL NEED TO
HAVE IS A REALITY CHECK, HERE, AND RECOGNIZE THAT WE LIVE IN AN ERA OF LIMITS RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY ANY TIME
SOON. IN FACT, IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. >> A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM IS
THE LAW OF THE RIVER ITSELF, A HODGEPODGE OF RULES AND REGULATIONS PIECED TOGETHER OVER THE COURSE OF A CENTURY.
FOR EXAMPLE, AFTER ALL THE LITIGATION AND NEGOTIATIONS, THE LAW ENDS UP ALLOCATING MORE WATER THAN ACTUALLY FLOWS DOWN
THE COLORADO. AND THIS: IN TIMES OF SHORTAGE, CHANNELS THAT PROVIDE MORE THAN A THIRD OF ARIZONA'S WATER MUST
RUN DRY BEFORE CALIFORNIA IS REQUIRED TO CUT BACK. >> SO, SO WAIT A MINUTE. ARIZONA IS BEING CALLED ON TO
CUT ITS WATER INTAKE BEFORE CALIFORNIA HAS TO GIVE UP EVEN ONE DROP? >> PRETTY AMAZING.
IT CAN'T WORK IN TODAY'S WORLD. AND IT'S IN SOME WAYS A LITTLE MICROCOSM, RIGHT, OF THIS WHOLE LAW OF THE RIVER WITH THESE
SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE THAT JUST DON'T WORK. THEY CAN'T WORK. AND THAT'S WHY A RETHINK'S
NEEDED. >> ONE EXAMPLE OF RETHINKING: THE COLORADO RIVER INDIAN TRIBES AGREED TO LEAVE FIELDS
UNCULTIVATED, LEAVING 48 BILLION GALLONS -- ALMOST THREE FEET OF WATER -- IN LAKE MEAD. THE STATE OF ARIZONA AGREED TO
PAY THEM FOR THEIR LOSSES. >> MY PEOPLE WANT TO HELP DURING THIS DROUGHT. WE WANT TO SAVE THE RIVER,
BECAUSE FOR CENTURIES THE RIVER HAS ALWAYS TAKEN CARE OF US, SO NOW WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THE RIVER.
>> THAT'S WHAT NEGOTIATIONS ARE ALL ABOUT, RIGHT? IT MAY BE THERE ARE WAYS TO CONSERVE AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO
GET THE SAME GOODS AND SERVICES FOR LESS WATER. LET'S LET AG GROW CROPS THAT USE LESS WATER.
LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE CITIES USE WATER AS EFFICIENTLY AS POSSIBLE. SO, I MEAN, WE NEED SOME
OPTIMISM HERE, RIGHT? >> THIS DESERT GROUND... >> BUT AS WE SAW AT THIS MEETING OF PINAL COUNTY FARMERS,
OPTIMISM IS IN SHORT SUPPLY. >> THE FARMER WHO'S PREPARED THE WHOLE LIFE, WORKED THE LAND, FARMED THE LAND IS GETTING THE
SHORT END OF THE STICK. >> FARMERS HERE AND ACROSS THE SOUTHWEST FEED THE COUNTRY. BUT IT TAKES MORE THAN
TWO-THIRDS OF THE COLORADO RIVER TO PRODUCE THE BOUNTY. WITH LAKE LEVELS DROPPING, ARIZONA FARMERS LIKE WAYLON
WUERTZ FEAR THEIR FERTILE FIELDS COULD BECOME DESERT AGAIN. >> YOU'RE GOING TO SEE DRASTIC CUTS, A DRASTIC CHANGE OF WHAT
NEXT YEAR HAS TO BRING. AND FOR MY PARTICULAR FAMILY FARM, WE'RE DOING ALL THAT WE CAN TO KEEP IT GOING.
BUT I HAVE A FEELING IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE NONE OF THIS EXISTS. >> THIS PAST JANUARY, WAYLON
WUERTZ LOST HIS ENTIRE COLORADO RIVER ALLOTMENT, BUT HIS FARM GOT A REPRIEVE FROM AN UNUSUALLY WET WINTER.
THE COLORADO IS STILL IN DIRE STRAITS. IN MAY, ARIZONA, CALIFORNIA, AND NEVADA AGREED TO CONSERVE NEARLY
A TRILLION GALLONS OF WATER BY THE END OF 2026, HOPING THE UNPRECEDENTED CUTBACK WILL STABILIZE THE RIVER.
>>> IN HIS HALL OF FAME NBA CAREER, CHARLES BARKLEY ACCUMULATED 12,546 REBOUNDS. BUT HE PULLED THE ULTIMATE
REBOUND WHEN HE FINISHED PLAYING, EQUALING -- MAYBE EVEN ECLIPSING -- HIS CONSIDERABLE SKILLS ON A BASKETBALL COURT,
WITH HIS SINGULAR TALENT IN A TV STUDIO. FOR THE LAST 23 YEARS, BARKLEY HAS BEEN DELIVERING WITTY,
BLUNT, PROVOCATIVE OPINIONS ON EVERY IMAGINABLE TOPIC, OFTEN IMPARTED WITH A SMILE, ALWAYS IMPARTED WITH "I DON'T GIVE A
DAMN IF YOU AGREE WITH ME" CANDOR. IMAGINE MARK TWAIN WITH A LOW-POST GAME, AS WE FIRST
REPORTED IN MARCH, DESPITE HIS LACK OF A TONGUE EDITOR, MAYBE BECAUSE OF IT, BARKLEY, NOW 60, SEEMS CANCEL-PROOF, GRANTED
LICENSE TO GO RIIIIGHT UP TO THAT MID-COURT LINE OF ACCEPTABILITY, EVEN TO STOMP OVER IT SOMETIMES.
IT'S MADE HIM MORE RELEVANT THAN EVER. IT'S MADE HIM -- DARE WE SAY IT? -- AN AMERICAN TREASURE.
>> WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE PEOPLE WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU? [ LAUGHTER ] >> I THINK THEY KNOW THAT I'M
GOING TO BE HONEST, I'M GOING TO BE FAIR, I DON'T HAVE A HIDDEN AGENDA. NOT MANY PEOPLE ON TV THAT YOU
CAN SAY THAT ABOUT. >> WHAT'S UP, EVERYBODY! >> WHAT'S UP, CHUCK? >> YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO
WIN EVERY YEAR -- THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIES EVER TOLD. >> 60 NIGHTS A YEAR, CHARLES BARKLEY IS THE GO-TO GUY ON
TNT'S "INSIDE THE NBA." >> I LIKE THIS! >> PEOPLE ARE, LIKE, "YOU THINK OUR TEAM SUCKS."
I'M LIKE, "UH, YEAH, I ONLY THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY SUCK." >> A PATHBREAKING, EMMY-DOMINATING SHOW THAT MAKES
FOR RIVETING, UNSCRIPTED TV. >> YOU BIG DUMMY. [ LAUGHTER ] >> YOU HAVE FUN UP THERE?
>> IT'S JUST BASKETBALL! [ LAUGHTER ] WE'RE NOT SOLVING INFLATION, WE DIDN'T JUST GET BACK FROM
AFGHANISTAN. >> BUT YOU'RE NOT A USED CAR SALESMAN EITHER. I MEAN, IF A GAME'S NO GOOD,
YOU'LL ADMIT IT, YOU'LL SAY IT. >> OH YEAH, BECAUSE THE FAN, THE FANS AIN'T STUPID. THEY JUST SAW IT.
IF I TELL THEM THAT WAS A GOOD GAME, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, "WHAT THE HELL IS CHARLES TALKING ABOUT?"
>> YOU SAID SOMETIMES YOU'VE EVEN FALLEN ASLEEP ON THE SET. > OH, I FALLEN ASLEEP, LIKE, JUST SITTING THERE WATCHING
LIKE, "YO, MAN, THIS IS JUST BAD BASKETBALL." >> I'M GOING TO RAISE SOME HELL AROUND HERE.
>> THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS COME TO EXPECT FROM CHARLES BARKLEY. >> WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE LAKERS -- THE LAKERS ARE AWFUL.
>> FOR CHUCK, IT'S JUST "I'M GOING TO LET IT FLY. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH."
>> FIVE, FOUR, THREE. >> ERNIE JOHNSON IS THE LONGTIME HOST OF "INSIDE THE NBA." >> CHARLES IS DOWN THERE.
>> HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU SAY, "WHERE -- WHERE'S THIS GOING?" >> WE'LL START A SHOW AND CHARLES WILL LOOK AT ME AND SAY,
"I GOT TO GET SOMETHING OFF MY CHEST." [ LAUGHTER ] IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT
INVOLVES WORLD PEACE OR THE BROOKLYN NETS, OR IT COULD BE SOMETHING -- HE COULD BE UPSET THAT HIS PLUMBER SHOWED UP LATE.
[ LAUGHTER ] AND HE JUST HAS TO GET IT OFF HIS CHEST. >> WE GOT TO BE SERIOUS ON THIS
SHOW SOMETIMES. >> BUT IF BARKLEY BRINGS LEVITY, HE ALSO BRINGS GRAVITY. >> MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES STAR JA
MORANT, WAS SUSPENDED IN MARCH AFTER THIS INSTAGRAM LIVE VIDEO SHOWED HIM FLASHING A GUN AT A STRIP CLUB.
BARKLEY USED IT TO MAKE A BROADER POINT. >> GUNS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, THE WAY WE KILLING
EACH OTHER IS JUST REALLY UNFORTUNATE AND SAD. AND WE GOT TO -- IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM, BUT IT SEEM LIKE
IT'S GOTTEN WORSE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS -- BLACK ON BLACK CRIME AND THE WAY WE'VE BEEN KILLING EACH OTHER.
>> BARKLEY MAY BE AT HIS MOST VISIBLE IN THE STUDIO IN ATLANTA. BUT FOR A FULLER SENSE OF THE
MAN, HEAD TWO HOURS WEST TO HIS HOMETOWN OF LEEDS, ALABAMA. >> I'M TELLING Y'ALL, I DID NOT NAME THE STREET AFTER MYSELF.
>> YOU DIDN'T LOBBY FOR CHARLES BARKLEY AVENUE? >> I DID NOT LOBBY FOR CHARLES BARKLEY AVENUE.
>> WE INTERVIEWED BARKLEY IN THE HOME HE STILL KEEPS IN TOWN. IT'S A FEW HUNDRED YARDS FROM WHERE HE GREW UP.
>> YOU WERE ANGRY THAT YOUR DAD LEFT THE FAMILY WHEN YOU WERE ONLY ONE YEARS OLD. >> I WAS VERY ANGRY.
AND I WAS EVEN ANGRIER BECAUSE HE KEPT SAYING HE WAS GOING TO SEND US MONEY, AND HE DIDN'T DO IT.
BECAUSE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY MOM AND GRANDMA WERE WORKING THEIR BEHINDS OFF. AND THE THING THAT WAS REALLY
BAD ABOUT IT, I WAS STANDING BY THE MAILBOX, LIKE, ONCE EVERY THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. >> WAITING FOR THE CHECKS.
>> YES, BUT THEY NEVER CAME. >> HIS INDOMITABLE GRANDMA, JOHNNIE MAE, WHO HELPED RAISE HIM, STILL INSPIRES STORIES WHEN
CHARLES AND HIS BUDDIES GET TOGETHER IN LEEDS. >> SHOOT, GRANNY WAS THE REAL DEAL.
[ LAUGHTER ] >> ACTUALLY, CHARLES IS THE SPITTING IMAGE OF GRANNY, REALLY.
>> YEAH, HE GOT THAT MOUTH. >> AND SHE HAD ONE TOO. >> SO, WE WERE REALLY POOR. WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME.
SO, TO MAKE ENDS MEET, SHE SOLD ALCOHOL. [ LAUGHTER ] >> WHERE?
[ LAUGHTER ] >> IN, IN -- IN THE HOUSE. >> CALLED THE SHOT HOUSE. >> OUT OF YOUR HOUSE?
>> YEAH. SO PEOPLE WOULD COME OVER FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND PLAY CARDS. EVERYBODY STARTS DRINKING.
ONCE SOMEBODY LOSE THEIR MONEY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIGHT. [ LAUGHTER ] SO MY GRANDMOTHER, THIS LITTLE
OLD LADY, SHE'S WALKING AROUND WITH A SIX-SHOOTER. [ LAUGHTER ] AND SHE'S KEEPING THE PEACE.
I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANY BETTER, JON. I THOUGHT THIS WAS NORMAL STUFF. >> WHOA...
>> YEAH. THINK IT'S TIME FOR A NEW FLOOR. [ LAUGHTER ] >> BARKLEY ALSO TOOK US TO HIS
OLD JUNIOR HIGH GYM. IT STANDS, BARELY, AS A SYMBOL OF HOW FAR HE'S COME. >> 14, 15-YEAR-OLD CHARLES
BARKLEY WALKING IN HERE. WHO'S THAT KID? >> HE'S A 5'9", 5'10", BIG-BONED, NOT FAT, BIG BONED,
CHUBBY, WHATEVER WORD YOU WANT TO USE. I'M A 5'10" BACKUP POINT GUARD. >> YOU REMEMBER SPECIFIC PLAYS
AND SHOTS FROM PLAYING HERE? TIE GAME. WE GOT YOU ON THE WING. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IF IT WAS
TIE GAME, I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN THE GAME. LET'S GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. [ LAUGHTER ]
>> A SIX-INCH GROWTH SPURT HELPED TURN BARKLEY INTO A HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL STAR, BUT HIS FORMATIVE TEENAGE EXPERIENCE
CAME AT THE SCHOOL FOOTBALL STADIUM. >> WOW. >> THIS IS WHERE HE STOOD ALONE,
AT A DISTANCE, WATCHING HIS CLASSMATES GRADUATE. >> I FLUNKED SPANISH, SO I DIDN'T GRADUATE.
I WAS AT HOME ALL BY MYSELF, DEVASTATED. AND I DROVE AROUND THE BACK SIDE HERE, AND I STOOD HERE FOR TWO
HOURS AND WATCHED THE GRADUATION. AND I CRIED THE WHOLE TIME. EVEN NOW, IT'S KIND OF HITTING
ME IN THE HEART A LITTLE BIT. MAN, WHAT A TRAUMATIC NIGHT THAT WAS. >> YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE
TEACHER? >> MS. GOMEZ. I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT. AND MS. GOMEZ, WHEN I GO BACK
AND THINK, WAS ONE OF THE SWEETEST, KINDEST PEOPLE I'D EVER MET IN MY LIFE. BUT IN THAT MOMENT, I WAS SO MAD
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, [ LAUGHTER ] I WANTED TO THROW MY HAT IN THE AIR, TOO. >> HE GRADUATED, THANKS TO
SUMMER SCHOOL. >> AT AUBURN, HE WAS A STAR, YES, FOR HIS SKILLS, BUT ALSO FOR HIS HEROIC APPETITE.
HE EMBRACED HIS NICKNAME: THE ROUND MOUND OF REBOUND. >> CHARLES BARKLEY! WOW!
>> DRAFTED IN 1984, HE BECAME A CHARISMATIC NBA STAR, FOR THE PHILADELPHIA 76ers. >> HERE'S BARKLEY.
>> HE'S THE SHORTEST MAN EVER TO LEAD THE NBA IN REBOUNDING, PROOF THAT -- FOR ALL BARKLEY'S YUKS -- HE PLAYED WITH FURY.
>> I WAS PLAYING TO STICK IT TO MY DAD, MS. GOMEZ, AND SOME OF THE KIDS WHO HAD MADE FUN OF ME, INSTEAD OF JUST WANTING TO BE
GREAT AT BASKETBALL. >> WHAT'S FIRING UP THIS FURNACE IS THE ANGER YOU HAVE FOR YOUR SPANISH TEACHER THAT FLUNKED
YOU. >> YES. >> AND YOUR DAD. >> YES, 100%.
>> WHAT CAUSED YOU TO FLUSH OUT THIS ANGER AND GET MOTIVATED FOR A DIFFERENT REASON? >> THE SPITTING INCIDENT IN NEW
JERSEY. >> IN 1991, HE SPAT AT A HECKLER AND INADVERTENTLY HIT A YOUNG GIRL.
HE CALLS IT THE LOW POINT OF HIS CAREER. >> I GOT SUSPENDED, RIGHTFULLY SO.
I WAS SITTING IN MY HOTEL ROOM, AND I WAS, LIKE, "YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER IN THE WORLD." I REMEMBER SAYING, "THIS IS IT
TONIGHT." >> MEANING WHAT? >> I AM ONLY GOING TO PLAY BASKETBALL BECAUSE I'M GREAT AT
IT, AND I LOVE TO PLAY. I'M GETTING ALL THE DIRT OFF MY SHOULDERS. MS. GOMEZ, BYE!
DAD, BYE! THAT WAS REALLY THE TURNING POINT FOR ME. >> BY SIR CHARLES!
>> BARKLEY WAS THE NBA'S MVP IN 1993 FOR THE PHOENIX SUNS. AND THEN MONTHS AFTER RETIRING IN 2000, HE EMBARKED ON A
BROADCASTING CAREER. >> NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NO DOMINANT TEAM. >> FULL DISCLOSURE, YOU MAY HAVE
SEEN HIM ON THIS NETWORK WORKING MARCH MADNESS. >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE COLLEGE GAME TODAY?
>> IT'S A TRAVESTY AND A DISGRACE. I'M SO MAD NOW HOW WE CAN MESS UP SOMETHING THAT'S SO
BEAUTIFUL. >> HOW'D WE MESS IT UP? >> WE CAN'T PAY ALL THESE PLAYERS.
>> TRANSLATION: BARKLEY HATES THE NEW, WILD WEST OF COLLEGE SPORTS WHERE PLAYERS GO TO THE SCHOOLS THAT CAN BID THE
HIGHEST. >> IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 25 SCHOOLS THAT'S GOING TO DOMINATE
THE SPORTS BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD PLAYERS, AND THESE SCHOOLS WHO CAN'T AFFORD OR WON'T PAY PLAYERS ARE GOING TO
BE IRRELEVANT. >> ALMOST A QUARTER CENTURY SINCE BARKLEY LAST PLAYED... >> AND NOW FOR MY OPINION...
>> ...HIS OPINIONS, FREE OF VARNISH, STILL MATTER. >> IS KEVIN DURANT A GREAT, GREAT PLAYER?
>> IF YOU AIN'T DRIVING THE BUS, DON'T WALK AROUND TALKING ABOUT YOU A CHAMPION. >> HIS TAKES DON'T ALWAYS GO
OVER WELL. KEVIN DURANT, A PERENNIAL ALL-STAR, ONCE SAID OF BARKLEY, "I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY STILL ASK
FOR THIS IDIOT'S OPINION." >> KEVIN DURANT. >> HE'S VERY SENSITIVE. GREAT PLAYER.
HE'S PART OF THAT GENERATION WHO THINK HE CAN'T BE CRITICIZED. HE'S NEVER LOOKED IN THE MIRROR AND SAID, "MAN, WAS THAT A FAIR
CRITICISM?" >> WE'RE IN AGREEMENT TODAY'S PLAYERS ARE A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE TO CRITICISM THAN YOUR
GENERATION. >> THAT WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. >> TODAY'S PLAYERS TAKE OFFENSE,
BUT SO HAVE PLAYERS FROM YOUR GENERATION. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU AND MICHAEL JORDAN SPOKE.
>> MICHAEL DISAGREED WITH SOMETHING I SAID, AND HE BROKE OFF THE FRIENDSHIP. >> BORN THREE DAYS APART,
BARKLEY AND JORDAN WERE ONCE THE BEST OF FRIENDS. BUT AS JORDAN STRUGGLED AS OWNER OF THE CHARLOTTE HORNETS,
BARKLEY MINCED NO WORDS. >> AND WHAT I SAID. I THINK THAT HE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE AROUND HIM THAT
ARE GOING TO TELL HIM NO. AND HE GOT REALLY OFFENDED, AND WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN. BUT, JON, I REALLY -- I'M GOING
TO DO MY JOB. BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY IF I CRITICIZE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE SAME BOAT AND NOT CRITICIZE
MY BEST FRIEND. >> EVEN IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR, YOU THINK OF JUST PICKING UP THE PHONE AND TRYING
TO REPAIR THIS THING WITH MICHAEL? >> I GOT AN EGO TOO, JON. [ LAUGHTER ]
YOU CAN'T BE GREAT AT SOMETHING, LIKE THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO BE A JERK. >> YOU THINK YOU'LL RESOLVE THIS
EVENTUALLY? >> HE GOT MY NUMBER. >> IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET BARKLEY GOING ON DISAPPOINTMENT,
ASK HIM ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER CHRISTIANA'S BASKETBALL SKILLS. >> YOUR DAUGHTER'S NOT A BASKETBALL PLAYER.
>> THAT WAS, THAT WAS BRUTAL. SHE WAS SIX FEET TALL FROM BIRTH. [ LAUGHTER ]
I'M GOING TO HAVE THE BEST FEMALE BASKETBALL PLAYER IN THE WORLD. I CAN'T WAIT TILL SHE'S OLD
ENOUGH. I'M GOING TO TEACH HER EVERYTHING. AND THEN WE START PLAYING AND
I'M SITTING IN THE STANDS, AND I'M SAYING TO MYSELF, OH, MAN, SHE IS NOT AGGRESSIVE AT ALL. [ LAUGHTER ]
SO I ASK HER ONE DAY, I SAYS, "YOU DON'T LIKE BASKETBALL, DO YOU?" SHE SAYS, "OH, DAD, I HATE
BASKETBALL." AND I SAID, "OH, OKAY." [ LAUGHTER ] AND IT TOOK ME A WHILE TO GET
OVER THAT, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID... >> YOU'RE BEING SERIOUS NOW? >> YEAH.
BUT SHE'S A GREAT PERSON AND A STRAIGHT-A STUDENT. SO I HAVE TO BRAG ABOUT THAT. >> I GUARANTEE THAT MAKES YOU
FEEL EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS HER HITTING A GAME-WINNING JUMPER. >> NOT QUITE. BUT --
[ LAUGHTER ] -- IT IS CLOSE ENOUGH. >> HI, DAD. >> CHRISTIANA, NOW 34, RECENTLY
HAD A SON, HENRY. THE NEW GRANDPA SAYS HE'S NEVER FELT JOY LIKE THIS. WHEN WE ARRIVED, HE BROKE OUT
THIS VIDEO. >> IT IS BY FAR AND AWAY THE GREATEST THING THAT'S EVER HAPPENED TO ME IN MY LIFE.
>> LIVES UP TO THE HYPE? >> IT LIVES UP TO THE HYPE. I WANT TO SPEND TIME WITH HIM, BECAUSE I'M NOT MORBID, I'M NOT
UPSET, I'M ON THE BACK NINE. I HOPE I'M ON HOLE 10 OR 11, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. I COULD BE ON 17 AND 18.
SO I WANT TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME WITH HIM AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN WHEN HE GETS OLDER, I WANT HIM TO GOOGLE ME.
>> GOOGLE ME, KID. >> YEAH, HEY, YEAH. >> DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? >> I HOPE HE DOES SOME RESEARCH
ON ME. I'LL BE LONG GONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE HIM TO KNOW THAT I ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS IN MY
LIFE.
>> I GOT TO LIVE MY DREAM. >> CHARLES BARKLEY ON GRATITUDE. >> IF YOU THINK I'M BETTER OR I WORK HARDER, YOU'RE JUST
>>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES.