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>>> WHEN RUSSIA SHELLED THIS
CITY TO RUIN, IT CAPTURED
UKRAINIAN TROOPS, INCLUDING
THESE THREE WOMEN.

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>> THE FIGHT THERE WAS
DESPERATE.
>> Translator: YES.
THIS WAS NONSTOP FIGHTING,

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NONSTOP SHELLING.
TONIGHT, STORIES OF SURVIVAL IN
P.O.W. CAMPS THAT THE U.N.
CONDEMNS FOR TORTURE.

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>> WHEN DID YOU REALIZE THAT YOU
WERE PREGNANT?

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>>> HOW CLOSE IS THE WORLD TO
WITNESSING A WAR BETWEEN CHINA
AND TAIWAN?
WE WENT TO THE ISLAND OF 23

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MILLION TO SEE FOR OURSELVES.
WE FOUND THE TAIWANESE CALM.
SOME SAY TOO CALM GIVEN CHINA'S
AGGRESSIVENESS MILITARILY AND --

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>> THAT'S TAIWAN.
>> SO YOU'RE DESIGNATING WHERE
THEY'RE ATTACKING THOSE CIRCLES?
>> CORRECT.

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>> EVERYBODY GOOD?
>> IN L.A., WE MET THE RED HOT
CHILI PEPPERS AT THE ROXY ON THE
SUNSET STRIP WHERE THEY TOLD US

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JUST AS THEY CONNECT WITH
AUDIENCES, THEY CONNECT WITH
EACH OTHER.
>> THE WAY JAZZ PLAYERS PLAY AND

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THE WAY THAT BASKETBALL PLAYERS
PLAY, TELEPATHICALLY AND
UNDERSTANDING WHEN TO GO AND
WHEN TO MOVE AND WHEN TO DO

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WHAT.
>> WE'RE ALL SUPPORTING EACH
OTHER AT THE SAME TIME.
EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT WAYS OF

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DOING THAT.
YOU SEE HIM AS THE LEAD
INSTRUMENT?
>> OH, YEAH.

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I SEE EACH SONG AS BEING LIKE A
BASS SOLO WHERE I'M THERE TO
SUPPORT IT.
>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.

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>> I'M BILL WHITAKER.
>> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
>> I'M JON WERTHEIM.
>> I'M CECILIA VEGA.

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>> I'M NORAH O'DONNELL.
>> I'M SCOTT PELLEY.
>> THOSE STORIES TONIGHT ON "60
MINUTES."

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>>> ONE ATROCITY IN VLADIMIR
PUTIN'S UNPROVOKED WAR IN
UKRAINE IS LARGELY HIDDEN, THE
TORTURE OF PRISONERS.

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WE MET THREE FORMER P.O.W.s,
SURVIVORS, LAST MARCH IN KYIV,
UKRAINE'S CAPITAL.
THEY WERE SOLDIERS, AND ALL

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WOMEN.
WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY IS
DIFFICULT, BUT IT FURTHER
EXPOSES THE CRUELTY OF RUSSIA'S

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INVASION.
THEIR STORIES CAN'T BE VERIFIED
INDEPENDENTLY, BUT THEY TRACK
WITH TESTIMONY THE U.N.

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COLLECTED FROM MORE THAN 150
FORMER PRISONERS.
AT THE END OF A VICIOUS BATTLE
LAST YEAR IN APRIL, FEAR OF

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RUSSIAN CAPTIVITY WAS SO GREAT,
THAT ONE OF THE WOMEN WE MET
SIMPLY LOOKED TO GOD AND SAID,
"PLEASE LET ME DIE."

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THEY FOUGHT HERE, IN THE
SOUTHERN PORT CITY OF MARIUPOL.
ONCE ALIVE WITH 400,000
RESIDENTS, PUTIN SHELLED

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MARIUPOL TO MISERY.
IN APRIL, THE LAST UKRAINIAN
TROOPS WERE CORNERED IN THOSE
STEEL MILLS ABOVE THE GRAVEYARD.

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>> TELL ME ABOUT THE FIGHT AT
THE STEEL PLANT.
35-YEAR-OLD SERGEANT IRYNA
STOGNIY IS A MEDIC.

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>> Translator: WE SAW PEOPLE
DYING, CHILDREN DYING,
CHILDREN'S HEADS BEING BLOWN
OFF, CIVILIANS, IT'S HARD TO

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BRING THOSE MEMORIES BACK.
>> HARD BECAUSE AT LEAST 25,000
CIVILIANS WERE KILLED.
>> SHE CONTINUED, WE TRIED TO

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HELP CIVILIANS.
WE TRIED TO GIVE THEM SOME
ASSISTANCE, AT LEAST SOMETHING,
WATER, MEDICINE, FOOD.

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THERE WERE LITTLE CHILDREN WITH
US.
IT'S HARD TO WATCH YOUR FRIEND'S
HEAD BE BLOWN OFF IN FRONT OF

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YOU.
IT WAS.
YOU CAN'T DESCRIBE THIS WITH
WORDS, DIFFICULT, VERY DIFFICULT

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WHEN PEOPLE YOU KNOW, AND
CHILDREN, DIE FOR NOTHING.
>> SERGEANT STOGNIY SERVED IN
MARIUPOL WITH CAPTAIN

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MARIANA MAMONOVA, A 31-YEAR-OLD
MILITARY DOCTOR.
>> SHE TOLD US, THERE WAS ONE
TIME WHEN WE SAW A FAMILY

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RUNNING AS WE WERE DRIVING TO
SAVE OUR SOLDIERS.
AND WHEN WE WERE COMING BACK,
THE FATHER WAS CRYING OVER HIS

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FAMILY, THE BODIES OF THE MOM
AND A LITTLE CHILD.
>> ALSO AT THE STEEL MILL,
33-YEAR-OLD SERGEANT ANASTASIA

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CHORNENKA RAN COMMUNICATIONS.
>> THE FIGHT THERE WAS
DESPERATE.
>> Translator: YES, CONSTANT

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AVIATION, ARTILLERY.
THIS WAS NONSTOP FIGHTING,
NONSTOP SHELLING.
>> DURING THE BATTLE CHORNENKA

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OFTEN SENT HER FAMILY A TEXT,
JUST ONE CHARACTER.
>> SHE SAID, IT WAS VERY QUICK.
IF YOU SENT A "PLUS" SIGN, IT

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MEANT YOU WERE ALIVE.
>> DR. MAMONOVA ALSO HAD A
MESSAGE.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR HER

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HUSBAND BACK HOME.
BUT SHE WOULD NOT SEND IT.
>> WHEN DID YOU REALIZE THAT YOU
WERE PREGNANT?

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>> Translator: I REALIZED THAT I
WAS PREGNANT IN THE MIDDLE OF
MARCH.
AND WHEN I SAW THAT THE TEST

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RESULT WAS POSITIVE, I CRIED.
I WAS HYSTERICAL.
>> BUT SHE DIDN'T WANT HER
HUSBAND TO KNOW HOW MUCH HE

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STOOD TO LOSE.
>> Translator: I KNEW, IF I
DIED, IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR HIM
TO RECONCILE WITH THE LOSS OF A

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WIFE THAN THE LOSS OF A WIFE AND
BABY.
>> BY APRIL, THE FIGHT FOR
MARIUPOL WAS HOPELESS.

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SERGEANT STOGNIY'S UNIT WAS
SURROUNDED.
>> Translator: THEY TOOK AWAY
OUR MEN SEPARATELY, SPLITTING

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THEM UP, SOME OF THE MEN WERE
BEATEN, SOME OF OUR MEN WERE,
HOW SHALL I PUT IT, SHOT IN THE
HEAD.

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>> THE RUSSIANS KILLED UNARMED
MEN?
>> Translator: YES, WE WERE
UNARMED.

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>> ABOUT THE SAME TIME, CAPTAIN
MAMONOVA'S UNIT WAS MOVING IN
THE NIGHT TO REINFORCE TROOPS
FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES.

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>> SHE TOLD US, I WOULD JUST SAY
TO MY SOLDIERS IN MY MEDICAL
UNIT THAT IF I WAS GOING TO GET
CAPTURED, "JUST SHOOT ME, DON'T

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LOOK AT ME, JUST SHOOT ME."
AND DON'T LET ME BE CAPTIVE.
DON'T LET ME.
>> SUDDENLY, IN OUR INTERVIEW,

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SHE WAS BACK, HIDING IN THE REAR
OF A TRUCK THAT RAN INTO A
RUSSIAN PATROL.
SHE TURNED TO A FELLOW SOLDIER.

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>> Translator: PLEASE TELL ME
THAT WE DID NOT GET CAPTURED.
AND HE'S LOOKING AT ME, NOT
KNOWING WHAT TO SAY.

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I SEE FEAR IN HIS EYES.
I REALIZED THAT HE CAN'T TELL ME
THAT WE DIDN'T GET CAPTURED,
BECAUSE WE DID GET CAPTURED.

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>> NEXT, CAME A BLINDING LIGHT
AND VOICES WARNING THAT THEY
WOULD BE SHOT.
>> Translator: ARTILLERY SHELLS

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WERE FALLING DOWN.
AND AT THAT MOMENT, I WAS ASKING
GOD TO LET ME DIE.
I THOUGHT, "OH, GOD, I DON'T

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WANT TO BE CAPTURED.
I JUST WANT TO DIE HERE.
PLEASE LET ME DIE."
>> SHE KNEW THAT THE WALLS OF

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PUTIN'S PRISONS MUFFLE CRIES OF
TORTURE.
A U.N. P.O.W. INVESTIGATION
COLLECTED TESTIMONY OF

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EXECUTIONS, STARVATION, ATTACKS
BY DOGS, TWISTING JOINTS UNTIL
THEY BREAK, AND MOCK EXECUTIONS.
>> WHEN THEY FIRST TALKED ABOUT

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TAKING ME FOR EXECUTION,
ANASTASIA CHORNENKA TOLD US, I
ONLY HAD ENOUGH TIME TO PRAY AND
SAY GOOD-BYE TO MY CHILDREN.

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PROBABLY, THE WORST YOU FEEL IS
THAT YOU WON'T SEE YOUR CHILDREN
EVER AGAIN.
>> ALL HER CHILDREN KNEW WAS

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THAT THE PLUS SIGN TEXT STOPPED
LIGHTING UP THE PHONE.
>> Translator: YOU DON'T KNOW
WHERE THE FIGHTING IS AND

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WHETHER YOUR CHILDREN ARE IN A
SAFE PLACE.
THIS IS THE MOST FRIGHTENING
THING FOR A MOTHER.

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>> AFTER PUTIN'S UNPROVOKED
INVASION, THE U.N. P.O.W. REPORT
ALSO FOUND RUSSIANS ABUSED BY
UKRAINE MOSTLY DURING CAPTURE.

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BUT UKRAINE HAS OPENED ITS
P.O.W. CAMP TO INTERNATIONAL
INSPECTION WHILE RUSSIA HIDES
ITS PENAL COLONIES.

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IRYNA STOGNIY SAYS THAT SHE WAS
MOVED AMONG FOUR RUSSIAN PRISONS
AND TORTURED WITH ELECTRICITY.
>> Translator: THEY WOULD RAPE

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SOME MEN.
WHEN WE WERE IN TAGANROG PRISON,
THERE WAS A CELL FOR MEN AND A
CELL FOR WOMEN.

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AND WE COULD HEAR OUR MEN
SCREAMING WHEN THEY WERE BEING
RAPED.
THEY WERE MAKING OUR MEN SCRAPE

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OFF THEIR TATTOOS.
THEY WERE BEATING THEM BADLY.
THEY DID THE SAME TO WOMEN.
THEY WOULD BEAT THEM, POUR

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BOILING WATER ON THEM.
THE ONLY THING THEY DIDN'T DO,
THEY DIDN'T RAPE WOMEN.
BUT THE BEATING WAS BRUTAL,

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ABUSE WAS VERY BAD.
>> THIS IS A RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA
FILM, IN APRIL, THAT SHOWS
MARIANA MAMONOVA IN CAPTIVITY.

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SHE'S ABOUT FOUR MONTHS PREGNANT
AND WAS TOLD, PRIVATELY, WHAT
WOULD BECOME OF HER BABY.
>> Translator: THEY SAID THEY

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WOULD TAKE MY CHILD AWAY FROM ME
AND THEY WOULD MOVE THE BABY
REPEATEDLY FROM ONE ORPHANAGE TO
ANOTHER SO I COULD NEVER FIND MY

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CHILD.
>> I WONDER, AS YOU FELT YOUR
DAUGHTER MOVING, WHAT DID YOU
TELL HER?

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>> Translator: I WAS SAYING TO
MY CHILD THAT WE WERE STRONG,
AND WE COULD DO IT.
"YOUR MOMMY IS STRONG.

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YOUR MOMMY IS MILITARY.
YOUR MOMMY IS A DOCTOR.
YOUR MOMMY WILL SAVE YOU."
>> SHE ASKED ONLY ONE THING FROM

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HER CHILD IN RETURN.
>> Translator: YOU WILL BE BORN
IN UKRAINE.
CAN YOU HEAR ME IN THERE?

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YOU MUST BE BORN IN A FREE
UKRAINE.
>> UNKNOWN TO THE PRISONERS, A
FREE UKRAINE WAS WORKING TO GET

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THEM HOME.
ANDRIY YERMAK IS CHIEF OF STAFF
TO PRESIDENT VOLODYMYR
ZELENSKYY.

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>> FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY,
YERMAK TOLD US, PRESIDENT
ZELENSKYY SET UP THE JOB TO
RETURN PRISONERS OF WAR.

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>> LEADING NEGOTIATIONS FOR
PRISONER EXCHANGES IS YERMAK'S
JOB.
SO FAR, HIS TEAM HAS NEGOTIATED

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46 P.O.W. SWAPS, TRADES OF ABOUT
EQUAL NUMBERS.
2,500 UKRAINIANS HAVE BEEN
FREED.

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AN ESTIMATED 4,000 OR SO REMAIN.
>> WHAT IS YOUR COMMITMENT TO
THE P.O.W.s WHO ARE STILL BEING
HELD BY RUSSIA?

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>> Translator: THEY SHOULD HOLD
ON AND REMEMBER THAT YOUR
COUNTRY WILL NEVER FORGET YOU.
WE WILL DO EVERYTHING TO GET YOU

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RELEASED.
HAVE STRENGTH AND FAITH IN OUR
ABILITY TO RETURN EVERYONE HOME.
>> THERE WAS FRESH FAITH IN HIS

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WORK IN OCTOBER WITH A DEAL TO
FREE 108 UKRAINIANS AT ONCE, ALL
OF THEM WOMEN.
IRYNA STOGNIY WAS AMONG THEM,

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HOODED, TIED, AND TOLD NOTHING.
>> Translator: WE HAD BEEN
TRANSPORTED IN VEHICLES AND BY
PLANE SO MANY TIMES BEFORE, AND

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WE THOUGHT THEY WERE JUST TAKING
US TO ANOTHER CELL.
>> ANASTASIA CHORNENKA WAS ALSO
IN THE DARK.

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SHE HAD DUCT TAPE OVER HER EYES,
SO HER FIRST INKLING WAS
SOMETHING SHE COULD FEEL.
>> Translator: THEY PUT US ON

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QUITE COMFORTABLE BUSES WHICH
WERE NEVER USED, AND WE THOUGHT,
SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT,
SOMETHING'S UP BECAUSE THE BUS

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FELT COMFORTABLE AND SOFT.
>> LATER, THE TAPE WAS CUT FROM
HER EYES.
>> Translator: AND YOU REALIZE

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THAT THERE IS NO GUARD BEHIND
YOU, AND YOU STAND THERE LOOKING
AT THE BIG SIGN THAT READS
"UKRAINE."

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>> I UNDERSTOOD THAT YOU GOT A
NEW TATTOO AFTER YOU WERE
RELEASED?
MAY I SEE IT?

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>> Translator: IT READS, "THEY
WERE TRYING TO KILL ME, THEY
CAPTURED ME, BUT I DIDN'T GIVE
IN BECAUSE I WAS BORN

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UKRAINIAN."
>> ANOTHER UKRAINIAN BIRTH WAS
DELAYED JUST ENOUGH.
THIS IS DR. MARIANA MAMONOVA

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WALKING TO FREEDOM.
SHE TOLD US NEAR THE END OF HER
CAPTIVITY, ONE KIND RUSSIAN
OFFICER SENT HER TO A HOSPITAL.

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AND WEEKS LATER SHE WAS IN A
PRISONER EXCHANGE.
>> HOW LONG WAS IT FROM THAT
MOMENT OF LIBERATION UNTIL YOUR

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DAUGHTER WAS BORN?
>> FOUR DAYS.
I WAS LIBERATED ON THE 21st OF
SEPTEMBER, AND MY CHILD WAS BORN

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ON THE 25th.
>> A HEALTHY GIRL NAMED ANNA.
>> SO, SHE DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU
ASKED HER TO DO, NOT BE BORN

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UNTIL YOU WERE OUT OF THERE.
>> Translator: YES.
I WAS STROKING MY BUMP AND I
SAID, "OKAY, WE'RE HOME NOW, AND

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YOU CAN BE BORN.
EVERYTHING IS GOOD, WE ARE
HOME."
>> NO ONE KNOWS FREEDOM LIKE

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THOSE WHO HAVE LOST IT.
THE WOMEN WE SPOKE TO WERE HELD
SIX MONTHS.
ANASTASIA CHORNENKA RETIRED FROM

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THE MILITARY.
SERGEANT IRYNA STOGNIY IS ON
DUTY NEAR THE FRONT.
AND CAPTAIN MARIANA MAMONOVA HAS

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MATERNITY LEAVE BEFORE SHE
RETURNS TO THE FIGHT FOR
UKRAINIAN FREEDOM - AND NOW -
FREEDOM'S FUTURE.

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>>> EVER SINCE MAO TSE TUNG WON
CHINA'S CIVIL WAR IN 1949 AND
THE LOSING ANTICOMMUNIST SIDE
FLED TO A SMALL ISLAND NEARBY,

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BEIJING HAS INSISTED THAT THAT
ISLAND, TAIWAN, IS AN INTEGRAL
PART OF THE MAINLAND.
THE U.S. HAS WALKED A TIGHTROPE,

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RESPECTING THAT "ONE CHINA"
POLICY, BUT MAINTAINING A
SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP WITH
TAIWAN, TODAY A PROGRESSIVE,

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THRIVING DEMOCRACY.
LAST YEAR, PRESIDENT BIDEN VOWED
ON THIS BROADCAST THAT THE U.S.
WILL PROTECT TAIWAN.

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BUT AS WE FIRST REPORTED IN
OCTOBER, CHINA HAS STEADILY
INCREASED ITS PRESSURE ON THE
ISLAND, INCLUDING LAUNCHING ITS

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LARGEST MILITARY DRILL EVER LAST
SUMMER, AFTER THEN-HOUSE SPEAKER
NANCY PELOSI VISITED TAIWAN.
>> IN A DISPLAY OF FRIGHTENING

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MILITARY MIGHT, CHINA SUBJECTED
TAIWAN TO THREE DAYS OF
CONTINUOUS SORTIES, WITH OVER
A HUNDRED WARPLANES, A BARRAGE

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OF BALLISTIC MISSILES, AND
WARSHIPS THAT ENCIRCLED THE
ISLAND, DELIVERING A LOUD AND
CLEAR MESSAGE THAT CHINA COULD

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CHOKE TAIWAN ANY TIME IT WANTED
TO.
>> YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO
INVADE?

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>> IF THIS WILL INVADE, IT'S A
MATTER OF WHEN THEY WILL INVADE.
>> ADMIRAL LEE HSI-MIN, WHO USED
TO HEAD TAIWAN'S ARMED FORCES,

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HAS BEEN RINGING ALARM BELLS FOR
YEARS, BECAUSE AS CHINA'S
MILITARY HAS BEEN GROWING,
TAIWAN'S IS SHRINKING.

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THE NUMBER OF SOLDIERS IN
UNIFORM HAS BEEN CUT IN HALF
OVER THE YEARS, THE LENGTH OF
MANDATORY SERVICE HAD BEEN

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REDUCED TO JUST FOUR MONTHS, AND
ADMIRAL LEE COMPLAINS THAT THE
GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN BUYING THE
WRONG WEAPONS FOR YEARS, TANKS

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AND JETS FROM THE UNITED STATES
INSTEAD OF SMALLER PORTABLE
MISSILES.
>> WHAT I GATHER YOU THINK THE

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MILITARY NEEDS ARE THESE
STINGERS AND JAVELINS AND
DRONES, EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED
IN UKRAINE.

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>> YEAH, IT'S THE TRUTH.
>> AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING THEM
NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE GIVING THEM
TO UKRAINE?

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>> NO.
WE ALREADY ORDERED IT.
IN MY VIEW, NOT ENOUGH.
BUT, HOWEVER, WE BEGAN TO ORDER

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THEM.
BUT WE HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED
ANY.
BECAUSE OTHER COUNTRIES ALSO

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HAVE KIND OF SIMILAR
REQUIREMENTS.
WE ARE NOT ON THE TOP LIST.
BUT WE NEED NOW.

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WE NEED NOW.
>> DID THE TAIWANESE MILITARY
WASTE ALL THOSE YEARS BUYING
THOSE BIG WEAPONS?

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>> I BELIEVE SO, YOU KNOW, BUT
WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO WASTE
ANYMORE.
>> TAIWAN RECEIVES LITTLE U.S.

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MILITARY AID, MOSTLY BUYING ITS
WEAPONS.
BUT THE MANUFACTURERS CAN'T KEEP
UP WITH DEMAND.

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THE TAIWANESE HAVE ALREADY
PURCHASED ABOUT $14 BILLION
WORTH OF WEAPONS THAT THEY ARE
JUST STARTING TO RECEIVE.

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WE WERE SURPRISED THAT FEW HERE
SEEM TO SHARE THE ADMIRAL'S
SENSE OF URGENCY.
>> HERE IN TAIWAN, YOU'D NEVER

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KNOW THAT THE DRAGON TO THE
NORTH RECENTLY SENT WARSHIPS TO
SURROUND THE ISLAND.
PEOPLE TOLD US OVER AND OVER "NO

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BIG DEAL," CHINA'S BEEN DOING
VERSIONS OF THAT FOR 70 YEARS.
WHILE MUCH OF THE WORLD THOUGHT
AN INVASION WAS IMMINENT, POLLS

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SHOW THAT A MAJORITY OF
TAIWANESE THINK THAT'S UNLIKELY
ANY TIME SOON, IF EVER.
>> AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN WHAT

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WE SAW IN THE CAPITAL, TAIPEI,
WHERE LIFE GOES ON
UNINTERRUPTED.
MORNING TRAFFIC FLOWS NORMALLY.

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SHOPPERS DO WHAT THEY ALWAYS
DO...DURING THE DAY, AND AT
NIGHT.
WE SAW OLD PEOPLE PAINTING

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OUTDOORS, AND TEENAGERS
PRACTICING HIP-HOP ROUTINES,
DESPITE THE THREAT FROM THE
NORTH.

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>> THIS KIND OF THREAT IS OUR
DAILY LIFE.
>> WANG TING-YU, A
PARLIAMENTARIAN FROM SOUTHERN

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TAIWAN, SAYS A KIND OF WAR HAS
ALREADY STARTED.
>> CHINA, THEY TRY TO ANNEX
TAIWAN FOR PAST 50 YEARS.

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THEY TRY ALL DIFFERENT KIND OF
WAY.
MAYBE I CAN GIVE YOU VERY
CONCRETE FIGURES.

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THERE ARE 20 MILLION
CYBERATTACKS PER DAY.
>> PER DAY?
>> YES, EVERY DAY.

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>> WANG, WHO SITS ON
PARLIAMENT'S FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND
NATIONAL DEFENSE COMMITTEE, TOOK
US TO A HIGH-SECURITY LAB WHERE

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ENGINEERS TRACK THOSE ATTACKS.
>> THIS IS TAIWAN HERE.
>> AH, OKAY.
>> A SMALL ISLAND.

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BUT WE ARE PROUD OF IT.
>> THE MAP SHOWS THE ATTACKS
FROM CHINA IN REAL TIME AS THEY
HIT TAIWAN.

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>> IT'S SO CLOSE TO CHINA.
>> YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY.
>> SO IS CHINA HOPING TO DEFEAT
TAIWAN WITHOUT FIRING A SINGLE

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SHOT?
>> THEY DREAM LIKE THAT.
>> "THEY DREAM."
>> THEY DESPERATELY DREAM LIKE

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THAT.
>> HE SAYS ON TOP OF CYBER
WARFARE, THEY'RE TRYING TO
SABOTAGE TAIWAN'S THRIVING

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ECONOMY AND INTIMIDATE
POLITICALLY-POWERFUL GROUPS,
LIKE THE FARMERS AND FISHERMEN
IN WANG'S HOME DISTRICT OF

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TAINAN WHO'VE BEEN HIT
ESPECIALLY HARD WITH A SERIES OF
EXPORT BANS.
>> WHEN SPEAKER PELOSI WAS HERE,

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CHINA, WE'RE TOLD, BANNED 1,000
PRODUCTS.
TAIWANESE PRODUCTS.
A LOT FROM YOUR REGION DOWN

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HERE.
>> IT DO HURT, DO DAMAGE TO SOME
INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES.
>> LIKE THE FISH INDUSTRY.

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>> IS THERE ANY GROUPER HERE?
>> 90% OF GROUPER EXPORTS WENT
TO CHINA IN 2021.
BUT LAST YEAR, BEIJING SUDDENLY

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BANNED TAIWAN'S GROUPER,
DEVASTATING THE FISHERMEN.
BOXES AND BOXES OF THE FISH
PILED UP.

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CHINA ALSO WENT AFTER
PINEAPPLES, CRUSHING FARMERS
LIKE THIS YOUNG COUPLE.
>> Translator: IT DEVASTATED US.

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OUR PINEAPPLES GOT STUCK IN
TAIWAN AND WE LOST $60,000 U.S.
DOLLARS.
>> AND I UNDERSTAND THE BAN WAS

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SUDDEN, LIKE THAT, NO WARNING.
>> NO WARNING.
>> THE GOVERNMENT FOUGHT BACK
WITH A "FREEDOM PINEAPPLE"

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CAMPAIGN TO ENTICE EVERYONE TO
BUY, AND EAT A LOT OF
PINEAPPLES.
>> OH, MY GOSH, IT'S SO SWEET.

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>> OUR HOUSEWIVES, THEY HAVE A
VOICE, "LET'S EAT PINEAPPLE ON
OUR DINING TABLES."
>> EVERYBODY'S EATING PINEAPPLE.

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>> MILITARY, THEY HAVE LUNCH,
THEY HAVE DINNER, PROVIDE
PINEAPPLES.
>> WE FOUND A FAIRLY PROSPEROUS

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COUNTRY, A LEADING EXPORTER OF
BICYCLES AND OTHER SPORTS GEAR.
THIS TINY ISLAND IS A TECH
GIANT, IN AGRICULTURE

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INNOVATION.
AND, ABOVE ALL, IN
SEMICONDUCTORS.
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WORLD'S ONLY SOURCE OF THE
THINNEST MICROCHIPS,
MANUFACTURED ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY
BY ONE COMPANY, TSMC.

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CHINA RELIES ON THESE AS DOES
THE REST OF THE WORLD FOR THINGS
LIKE iPHONES, ADVANCED
COMPUTERS, AND CAR COMPONENTS.

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91-YEAR-OLD MORRIS CHANG, TSMC'S
FOUNDER, EXPLAINS WHY A LOT OF
PEOPLE HERE THINK THE CHIPS
PROTECT THEM FROM XI JINPING'S

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ATTACKING.
>> I'VE HEARD THIS EXPRESSION,
SILICON SHIELD OR CHIP SHIELD,
TALKING ABOUT OUR COMPANY.

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>> WELL, IT MEANS THAT PERHAPS
BECAUSE OUR COMPANY PROVIDES A
LOT OF CHIPS TO THE WORLD, MAYBE
SOMEBODY WILL REFRAIN FROM

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ATTACKING IT.
IF THAT PERSON'S PRIORITY IS FOR
ECONOMIC WELL-BEING, I THINK
THEY WILL REFRAIN FROM

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ATTACKING.
>> WHAT IF THE PRIORITY IS TO
COME HERE AND NATIONALIZE YOUR
COMPANY WITHIN, YOU KNOW, ONE

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CHINA?
>> IF THERE'S A WAR, I MEAN, IT
WOULD BE DESTROYED.
EVERYTHING WILL BE DESTROYED.

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>> CHINA SAYS SOME OF THE
CHINESE COMMUNISTS SAY, LET'S
INVADE TAIWAN AND OCCUPY TSMC,
MAKE IT BECOME PARTY-OWNED

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COMPANY.
THEN WE WILL BE A SUPERPOWER.
UNITED STATES AND JAPAN AND
EUROPE, WE DON'T SUPPLY THEM

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CHIPS, THEY WILL FOLLOW CHINESE
ORDERS!
BUT THAT'S NAIVE.
>> WHY IS THAT NAIVE?

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>> NOT ONLY CHIP COMPANY, EVEN A
SAUSAGE COMPANY, YOU NEED A
RECIPE!
YOU NEED HUMAN CAPITAL!

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YOU NEED TO KNOW HOW TO
MANUFACTURE, MANUFACTURING THAT
KIND OF PRODUCT.
>> IF THERE IS REUNIFICATION,

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WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO YOU?
>> DIE.
>> DIE?
>> YEAH.

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IF THEY ANNEX TAIWAN, PEOPLE
LIKE ME, A LOT, WILL BE
PERISHED.
>> BEIJING HAS SANCTIONED WANG

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TING-YU PERSONALLY FOR BEING
OUTSPOKENLY PRO-TAIWAN'S
INDEPENDENCE.
HE PASSIONATELY DEFENDS THE

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COUNTRY'S PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRACY.
WE SAW CAMPAIGN BILLBOARDS
EVERYWHERE, VALIDATING THE
ISLAND'S COMMITMENT TO CLEAN

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ELECTIONS AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
BEIJING HAS PROMISED THAT IF
THERE WERE REUNIFICATION, TAIWAN
COULD MAINTAIN MANY OF ITS

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FREEDOMS.
AND, YET --
IN 2019, CHINA BROKE A SIMILAR
PROMISE TO HONG KONG, PROTESTS

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LED TO BEATINGS, ARRESTS, AND
STRIPPING OF DEMOCRATIC RIGHTS.
IT HIT HOME IN TAIWAN AND LED TO
PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN, LEADER

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OF THE AGGRESSIVELY
ANTI-REUNIFICATION PARTY,
WINNING RE-ELECTION IN A
LANDSLIDE.

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>> WE ARE FIRMLY RESOLVED TO
DEFEND OUR FREEDOM, DEMOCRACY
AND WAY OF LIFE.
>> GIVEN WHAT HAPPENED IN HONG

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KONG AND THE RECENT MILITARY
ESCALATION, WE WERE CURIOUS WHY
THE PEOPLE ARE SO STOIC.
>> ASKED IF THEY'RE IN DENIAL,

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OR APATHETIC, A TAIWANESE WRITER
SAID, IT'S KIND OF LIKE GLOBAL
WARMING, YOU KNOW IT'S THERE AND
IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE, BUT

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MOSTLY PEOPLE GO ABOUT THEIR
LIVES.
WHAT CAN ONE INDIVIDUAL REALLY
DO?

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>> BUT THEN THE TAIWANESE
WATCHED THE UKRAINIANS STAND UP
TO THE RUSSIANS.
IT SO INSPIRED JACK YAO, A YOUNG

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TAIPEI COFFEE VENDOR, THAT HE
WENT THERE TO HELP THE FIGHT.
>> DID YOU GO BECAUSE YOU'RE
TAIWANESE?

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>> YEAH, BECAUSE --
>> WHAT'S THE CONNECTION?
>> JUST, LIKE, IN THE UKRAINE
SITUATION AND OUR SITUATION,

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IT'S VERY ALIKE.
THEY ALSO HAVE BIG NEIGHBORS.
AND THEY WAS THE COMMUNISTS.
AND WE HAVE TO FACE THE CHINA

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COMMUNISTS.
AND THEN THEY WANT TO ATTACK US.
THEY ALWAYS WANT TO ATTACK US.
>> WAS IT IN YOUR MIND THAT IF

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YOU GO TO FIGHT FOR UKRAINE,
OTHER PEOPLE WILL COME HERE AND
FIGHT FOR TAIWAN?
>> YES!

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YEAH.
>> WHAT THE UKRAINIANS HAVE DONE
IS RAISING A QUESTION HERE IN
TAIWAN: IF THAT SMALL DEMOCRACY

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CAN STAND UP TO ITS MENACING
NEIGHBOR, WHY CAN'T WE?
YOU SEE CIVIL DEFENSE CLASSES
SPROUTING UP, LIKE THIS ONE ON

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HOW TO IDENTIFY CHINESE FAKE
NEWS DURING AN ATTACK.
AND THIS NIGHT CLASS IN THE PARK
ON HOW TO OPERATE TWO-WAY RADIOS

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IN MORSE CODE IN CASE THE
INTERNET IS KNOCKED OUT.
>> WE WANT OUR STUDENTS TO BE
ABLE TO APPLY A TOURNIQUET

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WITHIN 30 SECONDS.
>> ENOCH WU, A FORMER SPECIAL
FORCES SOLDIER, IS RUNNING
TRAINING WORKSHOPS IN HOW TO

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TREAT BULLET AND SHRAPNEL WOUNDS
AND CONDUCT SEARCH AND RESCUE.
AND ADMIRAL LEE WANTS TO TAKE IT
A STEP FURTHER, CALLING ON THE

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GOVERNMENT TO ARM TAIWAN'S
CITIZENS AND CREATE A VOLUNTEER
FORCE LIKE UKRAINE'S.
>> IF UKRAINE CAN DO THAT, WHY

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NOT TAIWAN?
YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO CONVINCE
MORE PEOPLE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT
BECAUSE THIS IS A SYMBOL OF THE

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DETERRENCE.
DETERMINATION!
>> SO YOU'RE PROPOSING WHAT I
GUESS I WOULD CALL THE UKRAINE

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MODEL.
>> SIMILAR.
UKRAINE PEOPLE REALLY INSPIRE
OUR PEOPLE.

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BUT DO OUR PEOPLE CHANGE FAST
ENOUGH?
I DON'T THINK SO.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT TAIWANESE

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HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF
DETERMINATION?
>> I STRONGLY BELIEVE THIS.
BECAUSE WE CHERISH HOW WE LIVE.

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WE LOVE PEACE, WE DON'T LIKE
WAR, BUT WE WON'T CEDE OUR
DEMOCRACY, OUR LIFE FOR PEACE.
THAT'S SURRENDER.

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>> IS THERE A CHANCE YOU'LL
SURRENDER?
>> NO, NOT A CHANCE.
NEVER.

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>> SINCE OUR BROADCAST LAST
FALL, THE LENGTH OF MANDATORY
MILITARY SERVICE IN TAIWAN WAS
EXTENDED FROM FOUR MONTHS TO A

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YEAR.

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>>> ROCK BANDS ARE SENSITIVE
INSTRUMENTS, CREATIVE TENSIONS,
CLASHING EGOS, THE GRIND OF
TOURING.

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NONE OF IT SCREAMS STABILITY.
AND DRUGS, DEATH AND DEMONS AND
YOU HAVE A BREAKUP, OR A
BREAKDOWN, WAITING TO HAPPEN.

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HOW THEN TO EXPLAIN THE
DURABILITY OF THE RED HOT CHILI
PEPPERS?
THEY STARTED IN THE '80s,

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SWIVELING AMONG GENRES, FUNK,
PUNK, ROCK, RAP, AN UNDERGROUND
L.A. BAND, UNTIL THEY BROKE
THROUGH, AS WE FIRST SHOWED YOU

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LAST FEBRUARY, 40 YEARS ON, THEY
PERSIST, SELLING OUT STADIUMS
WORLDWIDE, ROCKING AND RELEVANT
FOR FAR LONGER THAN ANYONE WOULD

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POSSIBLY HAVE PREDICTED, NOT
LEAST THEMSELVES.
♪
♪

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>> THE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
WARNED US, THE STAGE IS NO PLACE
FOR BOUNDARIES.
ALL INTENSITY AND IMPROVISATION

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AND HAPPY CHAOS, THEY ARE AS
MUCH A BAND FOR THE EYE AS FOR
THE EAR.
♪

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WE SAW THEM IN NASHVILLE, AND AT
THE AUSTIN CITY LIMITS FESTIVAL,
THE LAST STOP OF THEIR MOST
SUCCESSFUL YEAR OF TOURING EVER,

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NORTH OF $200 MILLION GROSS, AS
REMARKABLE A FACT AS THIS, A
FOUNDING MEMBER WAS CELEBRATING
A MILESTONE, A SIXTIETH ONE.

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>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH!
>> YOU'RE GOING TO GOOUT THERE,
THERE ARE GOING TO BE 80,000

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PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO KNOW
EVERY WORD.
>> YEAH.
>> CAN YOU WRAP YOUR BRAIN

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AROUND THAT AFTER ALL THESE
YEARS?
>> I KIND FEEL LIKE THE
PHENOMENON OF OUR BAND AND THIS

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IS THE THING I DO, I DO FIND
KIND OF INEXPLICABLE IS THAT
EVERY TIME WE MAKE A NEW RECORD
AND WE GO OUT AND DO A TOUR, AND

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I LOOK OUT INTO THE AUDIENCE, AS
FAR AS I CAN SEE ARE, LIKE,
ACNE-FACED TEENAGERS LOSING
THEIR [ BLEEP ] MINDS.

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♪
>> THAT'S MICHAEL BALZARY, KNOWN
UNIVERSALLY, OF COURSE, AS FLEA.
HE PLAYS BASS IN THE QUARTET.

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THAT INCLUDES DRUMMER CHAD
SMITH, AGE 61, GUITARIST JOHN
FRUSCIANTE, 53, AND LEAD SINGER
ANTHONY KIEDIS, 60, BORN WITHIN

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A FEW WEEKS OF FLEA.
♪
>> EVERYTHING GOOD?
ALL RIGHT...

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>> IN L.A., WE MET THEM AT THE
ROXY ON THE SUNSET STRIP, ONE OF
THEIR EARLY HAUNTS, WHERE THEY
TOLD US, JUST AS THEY CONNECT

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WITH AUDIENCES, THEY CONNECT
WITH EACH OTHER.
>> LIKE, LIKE THE WAY JAZZ
PLAYERS PLAY AND THE WAY THAT

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BASKETBALL PLAYERS PLAY, JUST
LIKE, TELEPATHICALLY, AND
UNDERSTANDING WHEN TO GO, AND
WHEN TO MOVE, AND WHEN TO DO

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WHAT.
>> WE'RE ALL SUPPORTING EACH
OTHER AT THE SAME TIME.
IT'S -- IT'S -- EVERYBODY HAS

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DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THAT,
YOU KNOW?
I SEE THE BASS AS THE LEAD
INSTRUMENT THE WHOLE TIME.

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FLEA DOESN'T SEE IT THAT WAY.
>> YOU SEE HIM AS THE LEAD
INSTRUMENT?
>> OH, YEAH.

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YEAH, I SEE EACH SONG AS BEING,
LIKE, A BASS SOLO WHERE I'M --
I'M THERE TO -- I'M THERE TO
SUPPORT IT.

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♪
>> TO UNDERSTAND THEIR ENDURING
APPEAL, START BY LISTENING TO
THEIR FOUR-DECADE-LONG LIST OF

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BANGERS, THAT CUT A RIDICULOUSLY
WIDE MUSICAL SWATH.
BUT THAT'S ONLY A PARTIAL
EXPLANATION.

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IT'S ALSO THE TORRENTIAL TALENT.
FRUSCIANTE IS WIDELY CONSIDERED
TO RANK AMONG ROCK'S GREATEST
GUITAR HEROES.

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CHAD SMITH IS REGARDED AS ONE OF
TODAY'S GREAT DRUMMERS.
FLEA'S NAME IS SYNONYMOUS WITH
VIRTUOSITY ON THE BASS, WITHIN

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THEIR PSYCHEDELIC CIRCUS, AND
THIS MIGHT BE A BAND'S SECRET
SUPERPOWER, THERE'S NO CLEAR
RINGLEADER.

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♪
>> WHAT DO YOU CALL YOURSELF?
>> WHAT DO -- I DON'T CALL
MYSELF ANYTHING, REALLY.

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I CALL MYSELF A BAND MEMBER.
ON A GOOD DAY, A MUSICIAN,
SONGWRITER.
>> DO YOU BUY FRONT MAN?

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>> THE RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS
HAVE THREE FRONT MEN, AND -- AND
WE ALWAYS HAVE AND WE HAVE A
FRONT MAN IN THE BACK, MR. CHAD

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SMITH.
>> I'M REALLY STRUCK BY THE
PHYSICALITY OF WHAT YOU'RE
DOING.

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>> WE VALUE SO MUCH THE ABILITY
TO GO ROCK OUT ON STAGE FOR TWO
HOURS.
NOBODY WANTS TO LOSE THAT.

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>> SO WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU ON
STAGE?
DESCRIBE IT FROM YOUR
PERSPECTIVE.

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>> IT'S A SACRED TIME FOR ME.
SO, WHEN I GET ON STAGE, LIKE,
NO MATTER WHAT, I'M GOING TO
GIVE EVERYTHING I CAN.

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I WANT TO ARTICULATE ALL THOSE
FEELINGS PHYSICALLY.
I WANT TO HONOR THE GREAT
ENTERTAINERS THAT CAME BEFORE.

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I WANT TO HONOR FRANK SINATRA
AND IGGY POP AND JIMI HENDRIX
AND THE XAVIER CUGAT ORCHESTRA,
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, LIKE --

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>> THE REAL LINEAGE OF --
>> AND -- AND JOHN COLTRANE.
>> YOU SEE YOURSELF ON THIS
CONTINUUM?

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>> I DO.
AND I THINK HAVING THAT VISION
IS A BIG PART OF WHY THE CHILI
PEPPERS HAVE MANAGED TO MAINTAIN

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FOR SO MANY YEARS AND FOR US
TO -- AT LEAST TO OURSELVES, WE
STILL FEEL RELEVANT AND VIBRANT.
>> STILL BASED IN GREATER LOS

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ANGELES, IT'S THE CITY THEY LIVE
IN, THE CITY OF ANGELS, THEY'RE
NOT JUST FROM THE AREA, BUT OF
IT.

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KIEDIS IS A LOCAL FIXTURE ON HIS
MOTORCYCLE, FLEA AT LAKER GAMES
AND IN HIS RETRO RIDE.
>> THIS IS YOUR TOWN?

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>> YEAH, LOOK, I'M AN L.A. BOY.
ALL MY LIFE.
I KNOW THIS TOWN INSIDE OUT.
EVERY LITTLE CRACK AND EVERY

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SIDEWALK.
>> THEIR STORY BEGINS ON THE
PAVEMENT OF HOLLYWOOD, NOT
PALM-LINED MOVIE STAR HOLLYWOOD,

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BUT THE SEEDY ONE FROM THE '70s.
FLEA SPENT HIS EARLY YEARS IN
NEW YORK BEFORE HEADING WEST
WITH HIS MOM.

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ANTHONY KIEDIS WAS A TRANSPLANT
FROM MICHIGAN, LIVING WITH HIS
FATHER.
NEITHER, CRITICALLY, HAD

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BROTHERS.
LONG BEFORE THEY WERE BANDMATES,
KIEDIS AND FLEA WERE BEST MATES
AT FAIRFAX HIGH.

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>> WHAT WAS THE FRIENDSHIP BORN
OF?
>> WE BOTH CAME FROM BROKEN
HOMES, SLIGHTLY, ATYPICAL HOMES,

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NONCONVENTIONAL HOMES.
AND REALLY WE WANTED TO GET IN
TROUBLE.
LIKE, HOW MUCH TROUBLE CAN WE

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GET IN WITHOUT GOING TO JAIL?
>> WE WERE JUST LITTLE STREET
URCHIN, PRETTY THIEVIN', RUNNIN'
AROUND IN THE STREET, TRYIN' SO

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HARD, YEARNING SO MUCH TO FIGURE
IT OUT LIKE HOW CAN WE MATTER?
MY RELATIONSHIP WITH ANTHONY IS
A PROFOUND THING FOR ME.

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I REMEMBER THAT MY MOM TELLING
ME.
SHE GOES, MICHAEL, YOU CAME HOME
AND YOU SAID, MOM, I MET

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SOMEBODY THAT I'VE NEVER BEEN
ABLE TO TALK TO LIKE THAT
BEFORE.
YOU KNOW?

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SOMEONE I COULD REALLY TALK TO
AND THAT I FELT HEARD BY.
>> FLEA AND KIEDIS FOUND KINSHIP
WITH TWO OTHER OUTCAST

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CLASSMATES, HILLEL SLOVAK, A
GUITAR PLAYER, AND JACK IRONS, A
DRUMMER.
WHILE HIS FRIENDS WERE WORKING

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ON THEIR MUSICIANSHIP, KIEDIS
FIRST TRIED TO MAKE IT AS AN
ACTOR, AND, FUN FACT, SHOWS UP
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EVENTUALLY KIEDIS JOINED HIS
FRIENDS IN A BAND, IN THE
BEGINNING, HE WASN'T EVEN
SINGING, HE WAS RAPPING.

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>> A LOT OF IT HAD TO DO WITH
HIP-HOP AND GRANDMASTER FLASH.
LIKE, I NEVER SAW MYSELF AS A
WILDLY MELODIC PERSON.

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BUT AT THAT MOMENT I WAS, LIKE,
OH, YOU CAN JUST TELL A STORY
AND BE IN A BAND.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY BE

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Al GREEN AND BE IN A BAND.
SO THAT WAS MY TICKET TO THINK,
I COULD DO THIS.
>> THEY CALLED THEMSELVES THE

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RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS, A NOD TO
EARLY 20th CENTURY JAZZ BANDS.
WITHIN A YEAR, THEY HAD A RECORD
CONTRACT.

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FROM THE BEGINNING, THEY WENT
FULL THROTTLE, ALL GAS, NO
BRAKE.
>> WE HAD A LOT OF MUSICAL

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INFLUENCES FROM HARDCORE,
BEE-BOP JAZZ, TO CRAZY
PROGRESSIVE ROCK TO HIP-HOP.
BUT WE ALSO HAD THE THREE

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STOOGES, WE ALSO HAD THE MARX
BROTHERS, WE ALSO HAD RICHARD
PRYOR, AND REDD FOXX.
YOU KNOW, COMEDY, AND BEING

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RIDICULOUS.
>> MELD THOSE TOGETHER.
>> MELD 'EM.
>> WHAT DOES THAT LEAVE YOU

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WITH?
>> A MAKE-IT-OR-BREAK-IT BUNCH
OF BOYS THAT WERE WILLING TO
RISK EVERYTHING TO HAVE FUN IN

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THE MOMENT.
>> AT THE SAME TIME, THEY'VE
ALWAYS TAKEN THE WORK SERIOUSLY.
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>> HOW DO YOU GUYS WRITE AND
CONSTRUCT SONGS?
HOW'S THIS WORK?
>> JOHN AND FLEA ARE THE MOST

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KIND OF PREPARED AND COME IN
WITH, "I'VE GOT THESE IDEAS."
>> FLEA AND I USED TO DO
FACE-OFFS QUITE A BIT.

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>> WHAT'S A FACE-OFF?
>> WE NEED A SECTION.
WE'VE GOT A VERSE, SAY, AND WE
NEED A CHORUS.

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IN THE OLD DAYS WE WOULD START
IT OUT BY GOING LIKE THAT TO
EACH OTHER AND GIVE EACH OTHER A
DIRTY LOOK.

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AND THEN WE'D GO INTO OTHER
ROOMS.
THEN WE COME IN AND EACH GUY
PLAYS HIS SECTION FOR THE OTHER

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GUYS.
>> WE COULD EITHER GO HOME AND,
LIKE, THINK OF IT AT HOME, OR WE
CAN DO IT RIGHT THEN.

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>> WE'RE GOING TO DO A
OFFICE-OFF RIGHT NOW, THE PART'S
GOING TO GET DONE.
>> CAN I TELL YOU WHAT I LOVE

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ABOUT THE FACE-OFF?
IT'S AN UNEXPECTED MOMENT OF
HUMILITY.
THEY PUT THEIR IDEAS ON THE

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LINE.
AND WHATEVER IS THE BEST FOR THE
SONG, NO ONE CARES.
>> HOW DO YOU HIT THAT BALANCE

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BETWEEN THE COMMITMENT TO THE
CRAFT AND ALSO THE
RIDICULOUSNESS YOU'RE PROUD OF?
>> WE JUST ARE ALL THOSE THINGS.

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WE'RE JUST BEING OURSELVES.
LIKE, WE'RE DISCIPLINED.
WE WORK HARD.
WE'RE SILLY.

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WE'RE FUNNY.
>> WE'RE ENTERTAINERS.
WE'RE ENTERTAINERS.
>> LIKE ALL ENTERTAINERS, THEY

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HAVE TO WORK AT MAINTAINING
THEIR PEAKS.
THEY PRACTICE.
THEY GENERATE.

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THEY STAY IN SHAPE.
CHAD SMITH REPLACED JACK IRONS
IN 1988.
>> HE JOKED WITH US THAT THE

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BAND USED TO HAVE GROUPIES.
NOW THEY HAVE TECH SUPPORT AND
PHYSICAL TRAINERS.
>> HOW IS YOUR BODY HOLDIN UP AT

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THIS POINT?
>> IT'S HOLDIN PRETTY GOOD FOR
AN OLD GENTLEMAN.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY GUYS

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KNOW THAT HE'S BACK THERE, THE
ENGINE IS RUNNING LIKE A
WELL-TUNED MACHINE.
AND IT GIVES THEM A LOT OF

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CONFIDENCE, AND THEY CAN JUST
PAINT, LIKE THE DRUM KIT'S KIND
OF LIKE THE CANVAS.
AND THEY GET TO PAINT ON TOP OF

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IT.
♪
>> JOHN FRUSCIANTE PLAYS
PERPETUALLY AND PREFERS TO WARM

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UP FOR FOUR HOURS THE DAY OF
CONCERTS.
>> FLEA, A CONVERTED,
ACCOMPLISHED, JAZZ-TRAINED

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TRUMPET PLAYER, IS CONSTANTLY
INNOVATING ON THE BASS.
>> AS HE SHOWED US AT HIS MALIBU
HOME STUDIO.

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>> NOTHING FANCY.
SO THERE'S PLUCKING LIKE THIS
WHICH IS, LIKE, WALKING BETWEEN
TWO DIFFERENT FINGERS.

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>> AND THEN THUMPING AND POPPING
IS I HIT MY THUMB AND POP IT.
♪
♪

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>> I DID THIS SO MUCH AND SO
AGGRESSIVELY THAT THIS CALLUS ON
MY THUMB WOULD SPLIT OPEN, AND
I'D JUST HAVE THIS GASH, OPEN

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WOUND IN MY THUMB.
AND I FIGURED OUT HOW TO FIX IT
BY POURING SUPER GLUE IN THERE.
♪

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>> THE BAND HAS ALSO CONFRONTED
THE KIND OF PHYSICAL CHALLENGES
THAT CANNOT BE SO EASILY HACKED,
NOT LEAST, SOBRIETY.

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HILLEL SLOVAK, THE ORIGINAL
GUITARIST DIED OF A HEROIN
OVERDOSE IN 1988.
♪

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>> HIS EVENTUAL REPLACEMENT,
FRUSCIANTE, HAS BEEN OPEN ABOUT
HIS DEEP DESCENT INTO HARD
DRUGS, PARTICULARLY HEROIN.

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HE HAS LEFT THE BAND TWICE,
BEFORE RETURNING.
♪
>> AS FOR ANTHONY KIEDIS, HE

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TOLD US HE WORKS AT STAVING OFF
HIS VARIOUS ADDICTIONS.
THE CLICHE: SEX, DRUGS AND ROCK
AND ROLL?

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HE HIT THAT TRIFECTA HARD, WHICH
HE DISCUSSED WITH BRACING
OPENNESS IN HIS 2004 MEMOIR.
>> JUST AS MUSIC CHANGES, SO DO

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CULTURAL NORMS.
WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AT SOME OF
THE ANTICS AND BEHAVIOR FROM THE
'70s AND '80s IN PARTICULAR, AND

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WOMEN IN PARTICULAR, THAT
WOULDN'T FLY TODAY.
HOW DO YOU PROCESS THAT?
>> WOW.

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I FEEL LIKE I WAS WHO I WAS WHEN
I WAS THAT PERSON.
I WOULDN'T BLAME IT ON AN ERA OR
A CULTURAL LANDSCAPE, OR A

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DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY SOCIETY
VIEWS PEOPLE.
IT'S LIKE, IF I DID SOMETHING
STUPID THEN, IT WOULD BE STUPID

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TODAY, AND VICE VERSA.
HOPEFULLY I'VE MADE THOSE AMENDS
ALONG THE WAY.
>> THEREIN MAY LIE ANOTHER

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SECRET TO THE BAND'S LONGEVITY.
JUST AS BAD IS BAD, GOOD IS
GOOD, ERA BE DAMNED, THE RED HOT
CHILI PEPPERS HAVE EVOLVED

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WITHOUT CONCESSIONS.
NOT JUST PLAYING THEIR
INSTRUMENTS BUT STILL ATTACKING
THEM.

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THEY'VE SURVIVED, SOMETIMES IN
SPITE OF THEMSELVES, NO CODA IN
EARSHOT, NO END IN SIGHT.
♪

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>> YOU'RE NOT JUST TROTTIN' OUT
THE HITS FROM 20, 30 YEARS AGO,
THIS IS A VITAL, VIBRANT
CREATING ENTERPRISE.

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>> YEAH.
IT TAKES DILIGENCE.
IT TAKES SACRIFICE.
WE WORK.

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WE WRITE.
WE NEVER STOP.
THIS IS OUR PURPOSE.
LIKE, WE'RE HUMBLE.

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WE'RE STUDENTS.
WE CARE.
WE WANT TO GROW.
WE WANT TO LEARN.

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>> NOT EVERY ARTIST FEELS THAT.
>> EVERY GOOD ONE DOES.

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>>> WHAT HAPPENS AT HOME WITH
THE RED HOT CHILI P
>>> I'M LESLEY STAHL.
WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH

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ANOTHER EDITION
>>> ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
THINGS WE TALK ABOUT EVERY DAY
IS FOLLOWING YOUR CURIOSITY.

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I'M A VERY CURIOUS PERSON.
I WAKE UP EVERY MORNING ASKING,
YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
THE WORLD, WHY IS IT HAPPENING,

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AND HOW DO WE ANSWER THAT
QUESTION.
HOW DID YOU WANT TO SHARE YOUR
STORY?

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>> WATER UP THIS HIGH.
WHERE ARE THESE COMING FROM?
>> THAT'S THE MILLION-DOLLAR
QUESTION.

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>> HOW ARE YOU DOING?
>> HANGING IN THERE.
>> I BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF
STORYTELLING TO CHANGE LIVES.

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>> YOU'LL HAVE TO TELL HIM WHEN
YOU GET OLDER WHEN YOU WERE TWO
MONTHS OLD.
>> HE WAS ON THE NEWS.

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>> THE NEWS DOESN'T HAVE TO
ALWAYS BE DEPRESSING.
IT CAN BE UPLIFTING.
♪