>>> HOW MANY SURGERIES DID YOU DO? >> SO I DID 23 ON MY FIRST DAY. I REMEMBER CRYING MYSELF TO
SLEEP THE FIRST NIGHT. BECAUSE IT WAS JUST THE SUFFERING WAS SO OVERWHELMING. >> "60 MINUTES" VISITED THE WAR
ZONE IN NORTHWEST SYRIA, TO SEE HOW AMERICAN VOLUNTEERS ARE TREATING SURVIVORS OF FEBRUARY'S CATACLYSMIC EARTHQUAKES.
>> THESE NURSES AND DOCTORS ARE THE BRAVEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET. >>> WE ARE GOING TO THE CAPITOL
TODAY. >> WHO IS RAY EPPS? A FORMER MEMBER OF THE OATH KEEPERS WHO SERVED IN THE MARINE
CORPS AND WAS AN ARDENT TRUMP SUPPORTER. OR AT LEAST HE WAS, UNTIL CONSERVATIVE MEDIA, POST JANUARY
6th BEGAN INSINUATING HE WAS A GOVERNMENT PLANT FOR THE DEEP STATE. >> WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE ROLE OF
RAY EPPS IN THE CHAOS OF JANUARY 6th? >> NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THEY PUSHED THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY,
THIS LIE, IT WILL NEVER BECOME TRUTH. >> HAVE YOU DRIVEN THIS OUT HERE BEYOND THE GATES?
>> OH, YEAH. >> WHOO! >> IT'S FUN. >> IT'S FUN.
SNAP, CRACKLE, POP, RIGHT? >> NICOLAS CAGE HAS BEEN WORKED IN HOLLYWOOD FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, WON AN ACADEMY AWARD AND
HAS PLAYED A KALEIDOSCOPE OF CHARACTERS. >> LET ME KNOW HOW THIS COME OUT.
>> I HAD IT ALL THOUGHT OUT, GIDDYAP, YOU KNOW? LIKE HE'S GETTING HIMSELF UP OUT OF THE MUGSHOT.
>> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI.
>> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES."
>>> AFTER FEBRUARY'S CATACLYSMIC SERIES OF EARTHQUAKES, THE WORLD POURED EMERGENCY RELIEF INTO TURKEY AND SYRIA, BUT SOME OF
THOSE SUFFERING THE MOST WERE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH. THEY WERE ALREADY FIGHTING TO SURVIVE A WAR ZONE.
RECENTLY, WE TRAVELED TO THIS BATTLEGROUND IN NORTHWEST SYRIA TO MEET AN AMERICAN MEDICAL CHARITY THAT BRAVED THE ODDS,
BRINGING HANDS OF HEALING AND HOPE. >> IN THE NIGHT, FEBRUARY 6th, DEATH SEEMED A CERTAINTY.
AND LIFE, A REVELATION. >> OH. >> THROUGH NORTHWEST SYRIA, 10,000 BUILDINGS CRUMBLED.
IN TOWNS THAT STOOD FOR MILLENIA, THE CATASTROPHE WAS BIBLICAL. BUT RESCUE DID NOT ASSURE
SURVIVAL. AMBULANCES RACED TO A MEDICAL SYSTEM IN CRITICAL CONDITION ITSELF AFTER 12 YEARS OF BOMBED
HOSPITALS AND MURDERED DOCTORS. >> THERE'S A CHILLING SAYING I LEARNED IN SYRIA THAT YOU KILL ONE DOCTOR, IT'S LIKE KILLING A
HUNDRED SOLDIERS, BECAUSE IF YOU KILL A DOCTOR, YOU KILL A NURSE, YOU KILL A PARAMEDIC, YOU BLOW UP AN AMBULANCE, YOU DESTROY A
HOSPITAL, YOU'RE NOT JUST KILLING THAT GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY HOPE FROM A COMMUNITY.
>> SAMER ATTAR IS AN ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON FROM CHICAGO WHO VOLUNTEERS FOR THE SYRIAN AMERICAN MEDICAL SOCIETY, A
U.S. CHARITY THAT OPERATES 13 HOSPITALS IN THE WAR ZONE WITH A SYRIAN STAFF OF 2300. >> SO, WHEN THE WAR BROKE OUT IN
SYRIA, HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, THE HEALTH CARE INFRASTRUCTURE, CAME UNDER ATTACK. BECAUSE WAR CRIMES WORK.
CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY WORK. IF YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, YOU CAN WIN. >> HE'S TALKING ABOUT RELENTLESS
ATTACKS ON HEALTH CARE ORDERED BY SYRIA'S BASHAR AL ASSAD AND HIS ALLY RUSSIA'S VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO SENT HIS MILITARY TO SYRIA
IN A PRELUDE TO UKRAINE. THE WAR BEGAN IN 2011 WITH AN UPRISING TO END THE ASSAD FAMILY'S 52-YEAR DICTATORSHIP.
BUT ASSAD RESPONDED BY LEVELING HIS COUNTRY WITH ARTILLERY, CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND EXPLOSIVE BARRELS DROPPED FROM PLANES.
14 MILLION HAVE LOST THEIR HOMES, 500,000 ARE DEAD. NORTHWEST SYRIA IS IN REBEL HANDS AND THIS IS WHERE WE MET
THE SYRIAN AMERICAN MEDICAL SOCIETY KNOWN AS S.A.M.S. >> HOW MANY SURGERIES DID YOU DO?
>> I DID 23 ON MY FIRST DAY AND I REMEMBER CRYING MYSELF TO SLEEP THE FIRST NIGHT BECAUSE THE SUFFERING WAS JUST SO
OVERWHELMING. >> WE HAD MET SAMER ATTAR SIX YEARS EARLIER WHERE S.A.M.S. WAS BUILDING A HOSPITAL IN A CAVE TO
SHIELD IT FROM ATTACK. TODAY, THE HOSPITAL IS COMPLETE AND PROVED ITS ENDURANCE IN THE QUAKES.
AMANY JAQLAN IS A S.A.M.S. NURSE IN THE BLACK AND WHITE HIJAB HEAD SCARF. I WAS SHOCKED AT THE SCENE, SHE
TOLD US. BODIES WERE SCATTERED ON THE FLOOR AND THERE WERE SO MANY. I COULDN'T HAVE IMAGINED THE
EXTENT OF DESTRUCTION AND THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS. THE NUMBER, IN NORTHWEST SYRIA, WAS 4500 DEAD.
IN THE CAVE HOSPITAL, THE LOST WERE LAID IN HALLWAYS WHERE A QUICK EXAMINATION COULD CHANGE A LIFE FOREVER AND DISBELIEF
SUSPENDED SORROW IF ONLY FOR A MOMENT. >> I REMEMBER A 22-YEAR-OLD THAT GOT ENGAGED THE DAY BEFORE THE
EARTHQUAKE. AND THE NEXT DAY HIS WHOLE FAMILY WAS GONE. I REMEMBER A 16-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS
PARALYZED FROM THE NECK DOWN AND HER FAMILY WAS GONE. AND SHE'S ON A MECHANICAL VENTILATOR IN A HOSPITAL IN
SYRIA. WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF HER? AND TWO ORPHANED TEENAGE SISTERS BOTH WITH WOUNDS IN BOTH LEGS
REQUIRING MULTIPLE SURGERIES. AND A 4-YEAR-OLD KID WITH A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY ON A VENTILATOR.
>> THESE NURSES AND DOCTORS ARE THE BRAVEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET. THEY'RE ALREADY TRAUMATIZED BY
BARREL BOMBS AND CHEMICAL WEAPONS. BUT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE, I'VE NEVER REALLY
SEEN SO MUCH FEAR AND PANIC AND ANXIETY. >> WE FOUND THOSE EMOTIONS IN THE STORY OF A WOMAN RESCUED
FROM THIS COLLAPSED APANT BUILDING. 35-YEAR-OLD ZAINAB ALI AL NAJIB ARRIVED AT THE CAVE HOSPITAL TO
TELL AMANY JAQLAN A STORY SHE COULD HARDLY BELIEVE. I REMEMBER A WOMAN WHO CAME TO ME TO SAY THAT ALL OF HER
CHILDREN WERE DEAD. RESCUE WORKERS WERE DIGGING FOR THE WOMAN'S SIX CHILDREN. WE ARRIVED AT THE COLLAPSED
BUILDING AND HEARD A NOISE. WE TRIED TO REACH THE SOUND QUICKLY, BUT OUR EQUIPMENT AND CAPABILITIES WERE LIMITED.
THE RESCUERS INCLUDED ABDO TAREK AND SAMEH FAKHORI, VOLUNTEERS FOR THE WHITE HELMETS, A FORCE OF 3,000 CIVIL DEFENSE WORKERS
FORMED NINE YEARS AGO TO SAVE VICTIMS FROM ASSAD'S ATTACKS. FAKHORI TOLD US THE GIRL WAS THE FIRST ONE WE RECEIVED BY DIGGING
THROUGH THE ROOF. TWO KIDS WERE BEHIND HER. I WENT DOWN TO HER AND CLEARED THE DEBRIS FROM HER HANDS AND
FEET AND AFTER AN HOUR AND A HALF, WE WERE ABLE TO PULL HER OUT. THE SURVIVAL CHILDREN WERE
RUSHED TO THE CAVE HOSPITAL, INCLUDING 8-YEAR-OLD MOHAMMAD AND 6-YEAR-OLD SAFAA. AFTER ABOUT 15 MINUTES, JAQLAN
TOLD US A GIRL ARRIVED, FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER GIRL. THERE WERE THREE OF THEM. THREE SURVIVING CHILDREN OF SIX.
WE FOUND THEM WITH THEIR MOTHER ZAINAB. WHEN YOUR SURVIVING CHILDREN CAME IN, IT MUST HAVE SEEMED
LIKE A MIRACLE TO YOU? IMAGINE THINKING YOU'VE LOST ALL OF YOUR KIDS AND THAT EVERYONE IS GONE.
AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE RETURNED TO YOU. SHE TOLD US THAT SHE HAD TO LEAVE ONE CHILD IN SURGERY SO
SHE COULD ATTEND THE FUNERAL OF ANOTHER. I TRY TO TALK TO THEM, BUT NOBODY ANSWERS ME.
THE SILENCE IS UNBEARABLE. I MISS SEEING THEM AND HEARING THEIR LAUGHTER. IF ONLY I COULD MEET THEM FOR
JUST AN HOUR. I PRAY THAT GOD REUNITES US AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THEY MUST US AS MUCH AS WE MISS
THEM. I HOPE TO SEE THEM SOON IN HEAVEN. HER TENT STANDS WHERE HER
APARTMENT FELL. IN NORTHWEST SYRIA, THE QUAKES LEFT 53,000 FAMILIES WITH NOWHERE TO GO.
EXPANDING THE WAR'S AGEING CAMPUS OF THE HOMELESS. >> WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS? >> WHEW.
WHAT DO THEY NOT NEED? I MEAN, LOOK AT THIS. FOOD SECURITY IS ONE THING. >> MUFADDAL HAMADEH IS A CHICAGO
ONCOLOGIST AND FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE SYRIAN AMERICAN MEDICAL SOCIETY. HE TOLD US S.A.M.S. SPENDS $28
MILLION A YEAR IN SYRIA, ABOUT $10 MILLION OF THAT IS CONTRIBUTED BY U.S. FOREIGN AID. WHAT IS YOUR HOPE FOR SYRIA'S
FUTURE? >> I HOPE THEY CAN FIND HOPE THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE.
THEY FEEL SO MUCH LEFT BEHIND AND THE WORLD HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THEM. I WISH THEY COULD FEEL AGAIN
THAT THERE'S -- THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT REALLY CARE. >> WE FOUND MOMENTS OF HOPE EVEN AMID THE UNHOLY DAMAGE UNTIL
IDLIB, A CITY REMEMBERING 12 YEARS OF WAR AND STILL IN REBEL HANDS. HERE, S.A.M.S. BUILT A HOSPITAL
FROM AN OFFICE BUILDING AND IN SURGERIES WEEKS BEFORE, SAMER ATTAR REPAIRED 12-YEAR-OLD SUZANNE'S ARMS AND LEGS.
>> YOU WANT TO STAND UP AGAIN? >> STAND UP? >> YEAH, WITH ME. ALL RIGHT.
THEN, LET'S DO IT. >> WHAT DOES THAT MOMENT OF PROGRESS MEAN TO YOU? >> I GOTCHA.
>> IT MEANS THAT THERE ARE DAYS WHERE YOU FIGHT BOUTS OF HELPLESSNESS AND HOPELESSNESS AND YOU WONDER WHAT EXACTLY
YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING. AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO EMPTY THE OCEAN WITH A SMALL CUP BECAUSE IT NEVER ENDS AND
THE SUFFERING NEVER ENDS AND IT NEVER SEEMS TO BE GOING AWAY. BUT IT'S THOSE, IT'S THOSE BRIEF FLASHES THAT ARE ENOUGH TO KEEP
YOU GOING FOR ANOTHER MONTH. >> THERE WILL BE MANY MONTHS AHEAD WITH NO END IN SIGHT TO THE WAR.
>> HAVE THERE BEEN AIR STRIKES SINCE THE EARTHQUAKE? >> YES, THERE HAVE BEEN AIR STRIKES.
THIS AREA EXPERIENCED AN ARTILLERY BOMBARDMENT FOUR DAYS AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE. >> HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE
CRUELTY OF CONDUCTING AIR STRIKES AGAINST PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST SURVIVED THIS TERRIBLE CATASTROPHE?
>> THE QUESTION, THEY THOUGHT, HAD AN OBVIOUS ANSWER. THEY TOLD US, ASSAD IS A CRIMINAL.
WITH NO PROSPECT OF PEACE, DR. ATTAR WORRIES NOW ABOUT VITAL FOLLOW-UP SURGERIES, PHYSICAL THERAPY AND PROSTHETIC
LIMBS. >> THEY'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE AND WHAT FUTURE DO THEY HAVE? I KEEP THINKING OF THAT GIRL ON
A MECHANICAL VENTILATOR WHO IS PARALYZED FROM THE CHEST DOWN. WHAT HAPPENS TO HER? NORMALLY IN SYRIA, A BIG PART OF
THE COMMUNITY IS FAMILY. BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY'S BEEN KILLED AND THERE'S NOBODY ELSE AROUND.
WHO TAKES CARE OF YOU? >> YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERED AT THIS HOSPITAL DURING THE WAR. YOU CAME RUSHING BACK AFTER THE
EARTHQUAKE. YOU HAVE TREATED BATTLEFIELD INJURIES IN UKRAINE AS A VOLUNTEER.
AND I HAVE TO ASK, WHY DO YOU DO THIS WORK? >> IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SHOWING UP TO HELP OUT.
A LOT OF THESE MISSIONS FOR ME ARE ABOUT BEARING WITNESS. THEY'RE ABOUT CONNECTION AND SOLIDARITY AND ADVOCACY.
JUST BEING ABLE TO BE HERE, BE THERE AND LOOK THESE NURSES LOOK THESE DOCTORS IN THE EYE AND SHAKE THEIR HAND AND BE PRESENT
WITH THEM, BE ON THE GROUND WITH THEM. IT JUST LETS THEM KNOW IT'S A SMALL WORD.
THEY'RE NOT ALONE. WE'RE ALL CONNECTED, AND THAT WHEN THE WORLD IS LITERALLY CRASHING DOWN AROUND YOU AND
COLLAPSING, ALL YOU'VE GOT IS EACH OTHER. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I KEEP COMING BACK.
>> EACH OTHER AND COURAGE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH TO STEAL MOMENTS OF TRIUMPH. BUT NORTHWEST SYRIA WILL BE
FORCED TO RATION MERCY. 11,000 WOUNDED FROM THE QUAKES ARE ON A LONG JOURNEY. VICTIMS OF A VICIOUS AND
FORGOTTEN WAR, SUSTAINED ONLY BY THE COMPASSION OF HUMANITARIAN HEARTS. >> ARE YOU GOOD?
>> VERY GOOD. >> VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN TAKE ONE STEP?
ONE STEP. THAT FEEL GOOD? >> VERY GOOD. >> VERY GOOD.
>>> HOW WHITE HELMET VOLUNTEERS ARE BUILDING BACK SYRIA. >> AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE, THE WHITE HELMETS HAVE A MUCH BIG
MISSION. AT 60MINUTESOVERTIME.COM. >>> FOR MILLIONS OF CONSUMERS OF CONSERVATIVE NEWS, RAY EPPS IS A
NOTORIOUS VILLAIN, A PROVOCATEUR RESPONSIBLE FOR TURNING PEACEFUL PROTESTS ON JANUARY 6th INTO A VIOLENT ASSAULT ON THE U.S.
CAPITOL. THE IRONY IS THAT EPPS WAS A PASSIONATE SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO WENT TO
WASHINGTON TO PROTEST THE 2020 ELECTION. BUT HIS OFTEN CONTRADICTORY BEHAVIOR THAT DAY SPAWNED A
FULL-FLEDGED CONSPIRACY THEORY, CASTING HIM AS A GOVERNMENT AGENT WHO INCITED AN INSURRECTION.
TODAY, EPPS IS IN HIDING AFTER DEATH THREATS FORCED HIM TO SELL HIS HOME. SO WHO IS RAY EPPS?
TONIGHT, YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MAN HIMSELF. >> AS SOON AS PRESIDENT TRUMP IS FINISHED SPEAKING, WE ARE GOING
TO THE CAPITOL. IT'S THAT DIRECTION. >> AT 6'4" IN HIS DESERT CAMOUFLAGE, BRIGHT RED TRUMP HAT
AND MILITARY-STYLE BACKPACK, RAY EPPS STOOD OUT FROM THE CROWD ON JANUARY 6th. THAT'S HIM RUNNING TOWARD THE
U.S. CAPITOL ALONGSIDE THE VANGUARD OF RIOTERS WHO FIRST ATTACKED AND OVERRAN POLICE. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU
SEE THIS NOW? >> IT BRINGS BACK SOME BAD MEMORIES. IT'S HARD TO SEE OUR CAPITOL
UNDER ATTACK. >> IT'S BEEN MORE THAN TWO YEARS SINCE THE STORMING OF THE CAPITOL.
BUT RAY AND HIS WIFE ROBYN TOLD US THEY RELIVE JANUARY 6th EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES. >> SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WELL,
LET IT GO AND LET IT DIE DOWN. >> IT DOESN'T. >> WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, IT DOESN'T.
>> WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE ROLE OF RAY EPPS IN THE CHAOS OF JANUARY 6? >> THE THEORY EPPS, A FORMER
MEMBER OF THE OATH KEEPERS, WAS AN FBI INFORMANT WHO INCITED THE CROWD ON JANUARY 6, BUBBLED UP FROM A RIGHT-WING NEWS SITE
CALLED REVOLVER NEWS RUN BY A FORMER TRUMP SPEECHWRITER. >> HE IS A SMOKING GUN. >> AND LANDED ON FOX NEWS PRIME
TIME. >> ACCORDING TO A NEW INVESTIGATION FROM REVOLVER, EPPS MAY HAVE LED THE BREACH
TEAM THAT FIRST ENTERED THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th. >> THE CONVOLUTED CONSPIRACY THEORY MADE ITS WAY TO CAPITOL
HILL. >> IT'S NOT THE PROUD BOYS WHO ENGAGE IN THE INITIAL BREACH. IT'S RAY EPPS AT THAT PRECISE
MOMENT. >> HOW DID RAY EPPS KNOW THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE PIPE BOMBS?
>> MRS. SANBORN, WHO IS RAY EPPS? >> THAT QUESTION HAS ANIMATED FOX NEWS HOST TUCKER CARLSON FOR
NEARLY TWO YEARS. >> RAY EPPS? HE'S ON VIDEO SEVERAL TIMES ENCOURAGING CRIMES, RIOTS,
BREACH OF THE CAPITOL. >> CARLSON HAS FOCUSED ON EPPS MORE THAN 20 TIMES ON HIS TOP-RATED SHOW.
A HALF DOZEN TIMES SO FAR THIS YEAR. >> HE'S OBSESSED WITH ME, HE'S GOING TO ANY MEANS POSSIBLE TO
DRY MY LIFE AND OUR LIVES. >> WHY? >> TO SHIFT BLAME ON SOMEBODY ELSE.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT, FOX NEWS, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, TED CRUZ, GATES, THEY'RE ALL TELLING US BEFORE THIS THING THAT IT WAS
STOLEN. SO, YOU TELL ME, WHO HAS MORE IMPACT ON PEOPLE, THEM OR ME? >> EPPS, ONCE A LOYAL FOX NEWS
WATCHER, TOLD US HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW HE GOT CAST AS THE VILLAIN. THE EPPS VERSION IS MORE
MUNDANE. THEY BELIEVE THE 2020 ELECTION HAD BEEN STOLEN FROM DONALD TRUMP AND CONSIDERED JANUARY 6th
A LEGITIMATE PROTEST. >> IT WAS A SLOPPY ELECTION. AND THEN TO TOP THAT OFF, YOU HAVE TALKING HEADS REPORTING
THAT THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THE VOTING MACHINES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. THE ELECTION'S STOLEN.
SO, YEAH, WE HAD CONCERNS. I WANTED TO BE THERE. I WANTED TO WITNESS THIS WITH MY OWN EYES.
>> EPPS WENT TO WASHINGTON WITH HIS 36-YEAR-OLD SON AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY STEPPED INTO TROUBLE.
THE CONSPIRACY THEORY STARTS HERE, THE NIGHT OF JANUARY 5th. >> GIVE ME ONE MINUTE. GIVE ME ONE MINUTE.
>> ON THE STREETS OF D.C., TENSIONS WERE RUNNING HIGH AT A PRO-TRUMP RALLY, BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE INTERNET.
THE MARINE VETERAN TRIED TO TAKE CHARGE. >> I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GO
TO JAIL FOR THIS. TOMORROW, WE NEED TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL, INTO THE CAPITOL. PEACEFULLY.
>> FED, FED, FED, FED! >> TO SOME IN THE CROWD, EPPS SEEMED SO OVER THE TOP, HE MUST HAVE BEEN A GOVERNMENT AGENT, A
FED SENT TO ENTRAP THEM. >> WHEN YOU SAID, WE HAVE TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL, WE HAVE TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL, WHAT WERE YOU
THINKING? >> I SAID SOME STUPID THINGS. MY THOUGHT PROCESS, WE SURROUND THE CAPITOL, WE GET ALL THE
PEOPLE THERE. I MEAN, I HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE ELECTION. IT WAS MY DUTY AS AN AMERICAN TO
PEACEFULLY PROTEST, ALONG WITH ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO. >> THE NEXT MORNING, JANUARY 6th, EPPS WAS OUT BY THE
WASHINGTON MONUMENT, STILL FOCUSED ON A SINGLE GOAL. >> WE ARE GOING TO THE CAPITOL. WHERE OUR PROBLEMS ARE.
IT'S THAT DIRECTION. >> WE'RE GOING TO WALK DOWN TO THE CAPITOL. >> WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS
STILL SPEAKING AT THE ELLIPSE, RAY EPPS WALKED TOWARD THE CAPITOL. HE TOLD US HE WANTED TO BE UP
FRONT TO HELP KEEP THE PEACE. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT AT PEACE CIRCLE WHERE PROTESTERS FIRST OVERRAN POLICE IS SEEN AS A
SMOKING GUN. EPPS PULLED THIS AGITATED RIOTER ASIDE AND SAID SOMETHING. CONSPIRACISTS SAY HE WAS GIVING
MARCHING ORDERS, BECAUSE SECONDS LATER, THIS HAPPENED. THE FIRST CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER GOES DOWN.
>> AS CLOSELY AS YOU CAN REMEMBER, WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU SAY TO HIM? >> DUDE, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR
THAT. THE POLICE AREN'T THE ENEMY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> DID ANYONE FROM THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT DIRECT YOU TO BE HERE AT THE PEACE CIRCLE AT THIS TIME? >> NO.
>> NO ONE FROM THE FBI? >> NO. >> YOUR OLD COMRADES WITH THE OATH KEEPERS?
>> NO. >> I THINK WHAT IS SO DAMNING ABOUT THE VIDEO IS THAT THERE'S A BARRIER THERE.
THE BARRIER GETS KNOCKED DOWN. AND A POLICE OFFICER, A FEMALE POLICE OFFICER, GETS KNOCKED DOWN.
AND THE MOB, INCLUDING YOU, WALK OVER THE BARRIER AND MARCH ON TOWARD THE CAPITOL. >> RIGHT.
>> WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP TO HELP THIS POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS KNOCKED OVER? >> WHEN SHE WAS KNOCKED DOWN AND
I STARTED TO GO TOWARDS HER TO HELP HER UP, AND I SAW A BILLY CLUB OVER HERE IN THE CORNER OF MY EYE, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW,
THEY'RE GOING TO THINK I'M PART OF THIS SO I BACKED OFF. >> YOU WERE PART OF IT. >> I WAS THERE.
I WASN'T A PART OF THAT, KNOCKING HER DOWN. >> AND HE WASN'T PART OF THE VIOLENCE.
THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE. >> IS THAT YOU THERE? >> RAY EPPS WAS NEVER SEEN COMMITTING AN ACT OF VIOLENCE
THAT DAY. OR ENTERING THE CAPITOL. EPPS TOLD US WHEN HE SAW THE VIOLENCE, HIS FERVOR TO ENTER
THE BUILDING BECAME A DESIRE TO PLAY PEACEMAKER. >> THEY'RE NOT THE ENEMY. THEY'RE NOT THE ENEMY.
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. >> AND POLICE BODY CAM VIDEO BACKS HIM UP. >> I THOUGHT I COULD STOP IT.
SO I WENT BACK AND FORTH, I TALKED PEOPLE DOWN AND WORKED THE LINE BACK AND FORTH. STEP DOWN.
STEP DOWN, WE'RE GOOD HERE. THAT KIND OF THING. AND I KEPT IT THAT WAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
>> WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET PEOPLE HURT. THEY DON'T WANT TO GET HURT. YOU DON'T WANT TO GET HURT.
BACK UP. >> EPPS SAYS HE LEFT THE CAPITOL GROUNDS TO HELP EVACUATE AN INJURED MAN.
THE TIME 2:54 P.M. >> I LOOKED BACK AT THE CAPITOL AND THERE WAS PEOPLE CRAWLING UP THE CAPITOL WALLS.
AND IT LOOKED LIKE -- IT LOOKED TERRIBLE. I MEAN, I WAS KIND OF ASHAMED OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THAT POINT,
SO I STARTED TO WALK OUT. >> HE TOLD US THAT'S WHEN HE SENT THIS TEXT TO HIS NEPHEW, CONSPIRACISTS SAW IT AS THE TRUE
CONFESSION OF AN AGENT PROVOCATEUR. >> I WAS IN FRONT WITH A FEW OTHERS, I ALSO ORCHESTRATED IT.
EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. >> I WAS BOASTING TO MY NEPHEW. I HELPED GET PEOPLE THERE. I WAS DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE
CAPITOL THAT MORNING. >> YOU KNOW HOW THIS SOUNDS? >> I KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT SOUNDS I'VE BEEN SCOLDED BY MY WIFE FOR
USING THAT WORD. I SHOULDN'T HAVE USED THAT WORD. >> WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL OF THESE THINGS AS YOUR CRITICS HAVE
DONE, YOU'VE GIVEN THEM A LOT OF AMMUNITION TO PAINT THEM AS INSTIGATOR? >> THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO MAKE
ME AS THE SCAPEGOAT. >> IF RAY EPPS IS A COVERT PLANT, HE'S THE WORST COVERT PLANT OF ALL TIME.
IF YOU ARE PART OF SOME ELABORATE CONSPIRACY AGAINST THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., I DON'T KNOW
WHY YOU'D WANT TO STAND OUT FROM THE CROWD THE WAY RAY EPPS DID. >> TOM JOSCELYN IS A RESEARCHER AND AUTHOR, ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S
TOP TERRORISM EXPERTS, TAPPED BY THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE TO HELP WRITE THE FINAL REPORT WHICH FOUND EVIDENCE FAR RIGHT
EXTREMIST LIKE THE PROUD BOYS PLANNED AND EXECUTED THE BREACH OF THE CAPITOL. HE SAYS THE COMMITTEE
INTERVIEWED EPPS AND FOUND HE WASN'T IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT IN THE REPORT. >> I WOULDN'T DEFEND RAY EPPS OR
ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS ON THE CAPITOL GROUNDS THAT DAY. I WAS JUST DEFEND THE FACTS. SO THE IDEA THAT HE'S LEADING
THE CHARGE OR REALLY ORCHESTRATING IT IS JUST CONTRADICTED BY THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE OF EVIDENCE.
THAT'S WHAT THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WANT YOU TO DO. THEY WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THE PEBBLE ON THE GROUND THAT IS RAY
EPPS. THEY ALSO DON'T WANT YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SAYING AND DOING.
>> HE CALLS EPPS' BEHAVIOR BAFFLING BUT NOT EVIDENCE OF A CONSPIRACY. >> THEY'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH
SOME CONNECTIVE TISSUE BETWEEN RAY EPPS AND THE FBI AND THEY'VE GOT NONE. SO THEY CAN MAKE UP ALL SORTS OF
AD HOC ARGUMENTS TO JUSTIFY THEIR BELIEFS. ITS NOT ACTUAL INVESTIGATIVE WORK OR ACTUAL EVIDENCE.
>> THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, VIDEO, PHONE RECORDS, TRAVEL RECEIPTS, SO DID THE FBI.
WHEN EPPS GOT BACK TO ARIZONA ON JANUARY 8th, A RELATIVE TOLD HIM HE WAS ON AN FBI POSTER SEEKING INFORMATION ABOUT CERTAIN
RIOTERS. >> WE LITERALLY HUNG UP THE PHONE AND WALKED RIGHT INTO THE HOUSE, SAT DOWN AND CALLED THE
FBI. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID TO THE FBI? >> TOLD THEM WHO I WAS AND I
WOULD COOPERATE IN ANY WAY I COULD. I DIDN'T BREAK ANY LAWS. >> TWO MONTHS LATER, HE MET WITH
AGENTS. >> SO, WHEN YOU MET WITH THE FBI, I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE, FINALLY, WE'RE GOING TO CLEAR
THIS UP. THERE WAS NO, I TAKE THE FIFTH, THERE WAS NONE OF THAT. IT WAS JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING
RIGHT NOW I WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. THEY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS. >> IN THE SUMMER OF 2021, THE
FBI TOOK HIS PICTURE OFF THE BUREAU'S WEBSITE. EPPS THOUGHT THAT WOULD END HIS TROUBLES BUT IT ONLY ADDED FUEL
TO THE CONSPIRACY. >> A NEW FEES IN "REVOLVER NEWS" NOTES THAT THE FBI REMOVED A PHOTO OF RAY EPPS FROM ITS MOST
WANTED PAGE THIS SUMMER. >> HOW ABOUT THE ONE GUY, GO IN. GO IN, GET IN THERE, EVERYBODY. EPPS.
GET IN THERE, GO, GO, GO! NOTHING HAPPENS TO HIM. >> THE EPPS WOULD DISPUTE THAT, AFTER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP
MENTIONED EPPS BY NAME, HARASSMENT AND DEATH THREATS PICKED UP. >> I PRAY, TO COME TO YOU TO
KILL YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU OPEN A LETTER LIKE THAT? >> SCARES ME TO DEATH. >> IT GOT SO BAD, THEY WERE
FORCED TO SELL THEIR FIVE-ACRE RANCH OUTSIDE OF PHOENIX. THEY'RE NOW IN HIDING LIVING IN THIS 300-SQUARE FOOT
RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SOMEWHERE IN THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS. WE AGREED NOT TO DISCLOSE EXACTLY WHERE.
>> IT'S SO SAD WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO RAY, AND TO US. TO OUR LIVES. SOMETIMES, I'VE USED MY MAIDEN
NAME JUST SO THAT WE DON'T CALL ATTENTION. >> I HAVE A HARD TIME, BEING A MAN, BEING A MARINE, BEING ON
THE RUN. I HAD TO DO THE NECESSARY THINGS TO KEEP MY FAMILY SAFE. >> IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT THE
FBI HAS TO SAY ABOUT ALL THIS, FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, IT HAS SAID NOTHING. AFTER REPEATED QUERIES BY "60
MINUTES" LATE THIS PAST WEEK, THE BUREAU ISSUED THIS STATEMENT, QUOTE, RAY EPPS HAS NEVER BEEN AN FBI SOURCE OR AN
FBI EMPLOYEE.
>>> IT'S NO SECRET BIG HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS LIKE A SURE BET AND THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF PREDICTABLE MOVIES TO PROVE IT,
WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY NICOLAS CAGE LEFT LOS ANGELES FOR LAS VEGAS A LONG TIME AGO. AT 59, THE ACADEMY AWARD WINNER
OWNS ONE OF THE MOST ECLECTIC LISTS OF FILM CREDITS IN THE BUSINESS. HE'S BEEN AT IT FOR MORE THAN 40
YEARS, PIVOTING FROM LEADING MAN TO ACTION HERO TO A SLEW OF LESSER FEATURES AND BACK AGAIN. BUT WE LEARNED BEHIND THAT
KALEIDOSCOPE OF CHARACTERS IS AN UNIQUE IMAGINATION, AND ENCYCLOPEDIC KNOWLEDGE OF FILM THAT SEEMS TO MOTIVATE
EVERYTHING NICOLAS CAGE DOES, HIS WORK, HIS LIFE AND EVEN THIS. SI
>> I ALWAYS LOVED THAT CHARACTER. >> CAGE'S BRAND-NEW GOLD LAMBORGHINI A TRIBUTE TO A
BELOVED 1968 FILM DIRECTED BY FEDERICO FELLINI, FEATURING THE GILDED FERRARI. >> IT WAS A CRAZY BEAUTIFUL
FELLINI MOVIE AND IT INSPIRED ME. SO WHEN I SAW THIS, I SAID, THAT'S THE CAR, IT'S NOT A
FERRARI, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT. BUT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE GOLD FERRARIS. >> HAVE YOU DRIVEN THIS OUT HERE
BEYOND THE GATES? >> OH, YEAH. >> YEAH? >> IT'S FUN.
>> SNAP, CRACKLE, POP, RIGHT? >> BY ANY MEASURE, NICOLAS CAGE IS NOT SLOWING DOWN, HE'S
REVAMPING THE ROLE OF DRACULA IN A MOVIE OUT NOW CALLED "RENFIELD" AND HAS ANOTHER FIVE MOVIES COMING UP.
WE MET NICOLAS CAGE AT THE MOMENT HE SHARES WITH HIS WIFE AND YOUNG DAUGHTER IN LAS VEGAS. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU MIGHT
IMAGINE NICOLAS CAGE'S HOME IN LAS VEGAS WOULD BE, PART GOTH-CATHEDRAL, PART AVANT-GARDE GALLERY.
THERE'S AN AFRICAN CROW IN THE LIVING ROOM. A CAT THAT COULD SCARE OFF A BURGLAR AND THIS.
>> THIS IS MY BLACK DRAGON, IT'S A MONITOR LIZARD. HE'LL GET TO BE LIKE SIX FEET LONG.
IT'S LIKE HAVING A REAL DINOSAUR IN YOUR HOUSE, IT'S KIND OF AMAZING. AND HE'S ALIVE.
>> THAT KIND OF IMAGINATION IS IN HIS DNA. NICOLAS KIM COPPOLA WAS BORN ON THE FRINGE OF CINEMA ROYALTY.
HIS UNCLE IS DIRECTOR FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA. HIS TOLD HIS MOTHER JOY, A CHOREOGRAPHER, SUFFERED FROM
SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND WAS INSTITUTIONALIZED FOR MUCH OF HIS CHILDHOOD. HE AND HIS TWO BROTHERS WERE
RAISED BY HIS FATHER, AUGUST, A LITERATURE PROFESSOR. AS A TEENAGER, HE WORKED AT A MOVIE THEATER AND SAYS HE WAS
MESMERIZED BY THE BIG SCENE. WAS IT ABOUT BEING A MOVIE STAR OR WAS IT ABOUT ESCAPING INTO SOMETHING ELSE?
>> IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT WANTING TO BE JAMES DEAN IN "REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE" OR WEARING THAT RED JACKET.
WANTING TO BE JOHN IN "SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER." I CAME OUT OF THE CINEMA ELECTRIFIED.
YEAH, I WANTED TO GO THERE. >> AND AFTER SEEING JAMES DEAN IN "EAST OF EDEN," HE DID. >> IT WAS MORE MEANINGFUL TO ME
THAN ANYTHING ELSE I'D EXPERIENCED. MUSIC, YOU KNOW, BEETHOVEN, BEATLES, PAINTING.
WHAT I SAW IN THAT MOMENT MADE ME REALIZE THE POWER, THE EXCITEMENT, OF WHAT YOU CAN CONVEY THROUGH FILM PERFORMANCE,
FILM PERFORMANCE. >> HE'S BEEN IN PURSUIT OF THAT FEELING FOR MOST OF HIS LIKE THAT.
INHABITING CHARACTERS OF EVERY STRIPE, A BABY-SNATCHING EX-CON. >> I'LL BE TAKING THESE HUGGIES AND WHATEVER CASH YOU GOT.
>> A BROOKLYN BAKER. AN ALCOHOLIC SCREEN WRITER. >> DO YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE I CAN BORROW?
>> A TREASURE HUNTER AND EVEN HIMSELF. >> NICK CAGE. >> CAGE'S FIRST FEATURE ROLE
CAME IN 1982'S "FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH" THE 17-YEAR-OLD BLENDS INTO THE BACKGROUND BUT HIS COPPOLA NAME DID NOT.
HIS UNCLE DIRECTED THE GODFATHER AND APOCALYPSE NOW, SICK OF BEING HAZED ABOUT IT ON SET, HE CHANGED HIS NAME INSPIRED BY A
MARVEL SUPERHERO WITH UNBREAKABLE SKIN. >> WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF NICOLAS CAGE, I WANTED TO HAVE LIKE A
PUNK ROCK ENERGY AT THAT TIME. I WANTED IT TO BE UNPREDICTABLE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET.
I WANTED TO BE EXCITING AND A LITTLE SCARY. >> IT HAS BEEN. AFTER MORE THAN 100 MOVIES,
NICOLAS CAGE IS ALMOST HIS OWN GENRE. HE TOLD US WHEN HE READ THE SCRIPT FOR "PEGGY SUE GOT
MARRIED" HE WORRIED IT WAS GOING TO BE TOO MUCH LIKE THE PLAY "OUR TOWN" WHICH HE HATED. >> I GREW UP WATCHING GUMBY AND
LISTENING TO POKEY, AND I THOUGHT, WELL THAT WOULD BE A GOOD VOICE FOR A CHARACTER. ESPECIALLY IN THIS MOVIE.
>> THANK YOU FOR SAVING ME. >> SO, I THOUGHT IF I DO THAT, THAT WILL BE BORING. THAT WILL BE LIKE, WHAT THE HELL
IS HE DOING? >> THINGS JUST WORK OUT BETTER IN THE END. >> AND KATHLEEN TURNER SAID LIKE
"WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING?" >> I THINK I FRUSTRATED HER WITH THE PERFORMANCE BUT I ADORED HER.
>> DID SHE EVER SAY LIKE KNOCK IT OFF? >> OH, YEAH. >> AND CAGE WOULD DRAW FROM ODD
PLACES AGAIN IN THE COEN BROTHERS' "RAISING ARIZONA." HOW DID YOU ENVISION THAT ROLE? >> H.I. McDUNNOUGH WAS LIKE THAT
THRUSH MUSCLER SYMBOL, THE WOODY WOODPECKER WITH THE CIGAR. I SAW HIM WITH THE RED HAIR STICKING UP, LIKE A LOONEY TUNES
CHARACTER COME TO LIFE. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ONE SCENE IN THAT MOVIE, YOU'RE HAVING A MUGSHOT TAKEN, AND AS
YOU TURN, YOU'RE WALKING AWAY AND YOU SLAP YOUR ASS. >> LET ME KNOW HOW THIS COME OUT.
>> I HAD IT ALL THOUGHT OUT, GIDDYAP, YOU KNOW, LIKE GETTING HIMSELF UP OUT OF THE MUG SHOT. >> CAGE'S CATALOG OF INSPIRATION
EXTENDED FROM THE CARTOONS TO THE HAUNTING GERMAN FILMS HE WATCHED AS A CHILD. >> YOU'VE BEEN INFLUENCED BY
GERMAN EXPRESSIONISTS. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? >> WELL, WHAT IT IS SPECIFICALLY, MOVIES LIKE
CABINET OF DR. CALIGARI, OR NOSFERATU OR METROPOLIS. THE MAD SCIENTIST SHOWS THE ROBOT HAND.
AND GOES YOU KNOW, I LOST MY HAND. THAT'S EXACTLY A DIRECT STEAL. >> I LOST MY HAND.
I LOST MY BRIDE. JOHNNY HAS HIS HAND, JOHNNY HAS HIS BRIDE. YOU WANT ME TO TAKE MY
HEARTBREAK AND PUT IT AWAY AND FORGET? >> 35 YEARS ON, RONNY CAMMARERI, THE OPERATIC, ONE-HANDED BAKER
IN THE ROMANTIC COMEDY "MOONSTRUCK" REMAINS ONE OF THE MOST MEMORABLE ROLES. BUT CAGE SAYS IT WAS A SMALL
MOVIE CALLED "LEAVING LAS VEGAS" THAT WAS THE ANSWER TO HIS PRAYERS. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU
FIRST READ THAT SCRIPT? >> THAT WAS THE FEELING I HAD WITH "EAST OF EDEN" AND JAMES DEAN.
LIKE THIS IS THE KIND OF MOVIE I REALLY WANT TO MAKE. A HEARTBREAKING DRAMA ABOUT TWO WOUNDED PEOPLE WHO SOMEHOW HAVE
THIS TRUE LOVE. >> HOW DID YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO PLAY THAT ROLE? >> WELL, I LOOKED AT A LOT OF
GREAT MOVIES. I LOOKED AT KRIS KRISTOFFERSON IN "A STAR IS BORN" BEFORE FROM HIM, I GOT THAT FEELING HE WAS
ALWAYS SMILING. IN MY VIEW, THE ONLY THING SADDER THAN A PERSON WHO'S IN A SAD SITUATION AND KNOWS IT IS A
PERSON WHO IS UNTIL A SAD SITUATION AND DOESN'T KNOW IT. >> YOU'RE LIKE SOME KIND OF ANTIDOTE THAT MIXES WITH LIQUOR.
THAT WON'T LAST FOREVER. >> I WAS SAYING TO MYSELF, I'M NEVER GOING TO WIN THE ACADEMY AWARD SO LET'S JUST DO IT
ANYWAY, BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO MAKE IT. >> AT THE OSCARS, YOU ANNOUNCED ON STAGE YOU LOVE THE IDEA OF
BLURRING THE LINE BETWEEN ART AND COMMERCE BY MAKING THIS SMALL FILM. AND THEN YOU START DOING THESE
BIG ACTION FILMS. >> YEAH, THAT WAS ABOUT STAYING UNPREDICTABLE AND TRYING SOMETHING NEW AGAIN.
BUT AT THE TIME WHEN I DID IT I THINK IT PISSED A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF. YOU KNOW.
IT WAS LIKE -- WELL, THAT'S YOU'RE AN ACTOR'S ACTOR. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ADVENTURE FILMS.
>> BUT HE DID, THE ROCK, WITH SEAN CONNERY, A PRISON BREAK MOVIE, CON AIR. >> PUT THE MONEY BACK IN THE
BOX. >> THE NATIONAL TREASURE FRANCHISE, AND FACE-OFF, WHERE CAGE'S CHARACTER LITERALLY SWAPS
FACES WITH JOHN TRAVOLTA. AN ABSURD IDEA THAT DELIVERED BIG BOX OFFICE RETURNS AND HELPED CATAPULT CAGE INTO THE
CATEGORY OF HOLLYWOOD'S HIGHEST PAID ACTORS. >> WHERE'S YOUR HEAD AT WHEN THAT STARTS HAPPENING?
>> OH, GREAT, NOW I CAN MAKE ANOTHER "LEAVING LAS VEGAS." LET'S KEEP DOING IT. LET'S KEEP CHALLENGING
OURSELVES. >> BUT CAGE ENDED UP FACING A DIFFERENT KIND OF CHALLENGE. WE WANTED TO ASK HIM ABOUT
REPORTS THAT HE BLEW THROUGH HIS FORTUNE, BUYING EXOTIC CARS, MANSIONS AROUND THE GLOBE, EVEN A DINOSAUR SKULL BUT HIS AFRICAN
CROW HUGINN, OBJECTED TO THE LINE OF QUESTIONING. >> HI, HUGINN. >> RIGHT ON CUE.
>> NICE TO HEAR YOU'RE TALKING AGAIN. I KNOW EVERYONE IN THE HOUSE KIND OF FREAKED YOU OUT.
>> THE HOUSES RIGHT, CASTLES IN GERMANY, IN ENGLAND, AN ISLAND, A MANSION IN NEW ORLEANS. WHAT'S THAT ABOUT?
>> I WAS OVER-INVESTED IN REAL ESTATE. IT WASN'T BECAUSE I SPENT $80 ON AN OCTOPUS.
BUT THE REAL ESTATE MARKET CRASHED AND I COULDN'T GET OUT IN TIME. >> HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU END UP
OWING TO THE IRS? >> I PAID THEM ALL BACK. ABOUT $6 MILLION. I NEVER FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY.
>> HE MOVED TO TAX-FREE LAS VEGAS AND DUG IN AND WORKED NONSTOP. MAKING THREE TO FOUR MOVIES A
YEAR. >> THAT HAD TO BE A DARK PERIOD FOR YOU. >> IT WAS DARK, SURE.
>> DID THE WORK HELP? >> NO DOUBT, WORK, WORK WAS ALWAYS MY GUARDIAN ANGLE. >> WHEN SOMEBODY SUGGEST DURING
THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THEY SAY, THESE CRITICS SAY, HE'S HERE FOR A PAYCHECK AND PHONING IT IN.
>> EVEN IF THE MOVIE ULTIMATELY IS CRUMBY, THEY KNOW I'M NOT PHONING IT IN. THAT I CARE EVERY TIME.
BUT THERE ARE THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE THINKING THAT THE ONLY GOOD ACTING THAT I CAN DO IS THE ACTING THAT I CHOSE TO DO BY
DESIGN WHICH IS MORE OPERATIC AND, YOU KNOW, LARGER THAN LIFE AND SO-CALLED CAGE RAGE AND ALL THAT.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT EVERY TIME. >> BUT PART OF THE APPEAL IS THE CAGE RAGE, A MONIKER HIS FANS
HAVE FOR HIS OUTSIDE, SOME SAY OVER-THE-TOP MOMENTS ON FILM. >> YOU GO FOR IT I'VE HEARD YOU DESCRIBE IT AS GOING FOR THE
TRIPLE AXEL EVERY TIME. SOMETIMES, YOU LAND IT AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T. >> WELL, NOT EVERY TIME.
BUT THERE ARE THINGS I DO WANT TO GO FOR SOMETIMES THAT I HAVE A VISION FOR, AND I DO. >> LIKE THE 2021 PERFORMANCE AS
A HEARTBROKEN CHEF IN THE MOVIE "PIG." >> NONE OF IT IS REAL. THE CRITICS AREN'T REAL.
THE CUSTOMERS AREN'T REAL BECAUSE THIS ISN'T REAL. >> WHEN I PLAYED ROB IN "PIG," I FELT I ENTERED THE ROOM.
I FELT THAT I WAS CLOSER TO ME THAN MAYBE I'VE EVER BEEN BEFORE IN FILM PERFORMANCE. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN, CLOSER TO
YOU? >> THAT I WASN'T ACTING. I FELT THAT I WAS DOING EXACTLY WHAT I CARE ABOUT.
I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MY BEST MOVIE AND I THINK THAT I'LL PUT THAT UP AGAINST "LEAVING LAS VEGAS" OR ANYTHING ELSE.
>> THAT WOULD INCLUDE HIS TURN AS DRACULA IN HIS LATEST MOVIE "RENFIELD." CAGE MET US AT A FAVORITE
HANGOUT ON THE STRIP TO TALK ABOUT THE COUNT. >> WE HAVE MUSH TO DISCUSS. >> DRACULA IS DAUNTING BECAUSE
IT'S A LEGACY. DRACULA IS A CHARACTER THAT HAS BEEN DONE WELL MANY TIMES. HE'S ALSO A CHARACTER THAT HAS
BEEN DONE POORLY MANY TIMES. BUT FOR ME, I THINK CHRISTOPHER LEE, HE WAS MY DRACULA. HE MADE DRACULA SCARY.
YOU KNOW, WE HAD A HAPPY MARRIAGE IN TERMS I COULD BRING WHERE I WANTED TO GO, LIKE, INTO THE CAMERA WITH THE TEETH ALMOST
LIKE THE SHARK IN "JAWS." >> YOU SEEM LIKE A GUY WHOSE ALL IN ALL THE TIME. YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING HALFWAY.
>> VERY INSIGHTFUL, SHARYN. VERY, VERY INSIGHTFUL. >> LET'S EAT!
>>> NOW, "LAST MINUTE" OF "60 MINUTES." >>> ON TUESDAY, FOX NEWS SETTLED A DEFAMATION LAWSUIT BROUGHT BY
DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS. FOX AGREED TO PAY MORE THAN $787 MILLION FOR UNTRUTHS IT REPEATEDLY BROADCAST ABOUT THE
COMPANY AFTER THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. IN OCTOBER, DOMINION'S PRESIDENT JOHN PULIS TOLD OUR ANDERSON
COOPER HIS COMPANY OFFERED FOX EVIDENCE THAT ALLEGATIONS OF VOTE RIGGING AGAINST THE COMPANY WERE LIES.
>> GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TOLD THEM, PARTISAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TOLD THEM, PEOPLE INSIDE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION
TOLD THEM, LOCAL ELECTION OFFICIALS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE TOLD THEM. THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF NOT
KNOWING THE TRUTH. THEY KNEW THE TRUTH. >> FOX STILL FACES A SIMILAR SUIT FROM SMARTMATIC, ANOTHER
VOTE TECHNOLOGY COMPANY. I'M BILL WHITAKER, WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION