1 00:00:11,578 --> 00:00:17,851 >>> HOW MANY SURGERIES DID YOU DO? >> SO I DID 23 ON MY FIRST DAY. I REMEMBER CRYING MYSELF TO 2 00:00:17,917 --> 00:00:26,493 SLEEP THE FIRST NIGHT. BECAUSE IT WAS JUST THE SUFFERING WAS SO OVERWHELMING. >> "60 MINUTES" VISITED THE WAR 3 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:36,136 ZONE IN NORTHWEST SYRIA, TO SEE HOW AMERICAN VOLUNTEERS ARE TREATING SURVIVORS OF FEBRUARY'S CATACLYSMIC EARTHQUAKES. 4 00:00:36,202 --> 00:00:41,875 >> THESE NURSES AND DOCTORS ARE THE BRAVEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET. >>> WE ARE GOING TO THE CAPITOL 5 00:00:41,941 --> 00:00:47,547 TODAY. >> WHO IS RAY EPPS? A FORMER MEMBER OF THE OATH KEEPERS WHO SERVED IN THE MARINE 6 00:00:47,614 --> 00:00:56,423 CORPS AND WAS AN ARDENT TRUMP SUPPORTER. OR AT LEAST HE WAS, UNTIL CONSERVATIVE MEDIA, POST JANUARY 7 00:00:56,489 --> 00:01:10,270 6th BEGAN INSINUATING HE WAS A GOVERNMENT PLANT FOR THE DEEP STATE. >> WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE ROLE OF 8 00:01:10,336 --> 00:01:13,907 RAY EPPS IN THE CHAOS OF JANUARY 6th? >> NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES THEY PUSHED THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY, 9 00:01:13,973 --> 00:01:19,712 THIS LIE, IT WILL NEVER BECOME TRUTH. >> HAVE YOU DRIVEN THIS OUT HERE BEYOND THE GATES? 10 00:01:19,779 --> 00:01:28,688 >> OH, YEAH. >> WHOO! >> IT'S FUN. >> IT'S FUN. 11 00:01:28,755 --> 00:01:34,561 SNAP, CRACKLE, POP, RIGHT? >> NICOLAS CAGE HAS BEEN WORKED IN HOLLYWOOD FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, WON AN ACADEMY AWARD AND 12 00:01:34,627 --> 00:01:40,300 HAS PLAYED A KALEIDOSCOPE OF CHARACTERS. >> LET ME KNOW HOW THIS COME OUT. 13 00:01:40,366 --> 00:01:46,539 >> I HAD IT ALL THOUGHT OUT, GIDDYAP, YOU KNOW? LIKE HE'S GETTING HIMSELF UP OUT OF THE MUGSHOT. 14 00:01:46,606 --> 00:01:53,146 >> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. 15 00:01:53,213 --> 00:02:08,194 >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 16 00:02:08,261 --> 00:02:15,268 >>> AFTER FEBRUARY'S CATACLYSMIC SERIES OF EARTHQUAKES, THE WORLD POURED EMERGENCY RELIEF INTO TURKEY AND SYRIA, BUT SOME OF 17 00:02:15,335 --> 00:02:23,042 THOSE SUFFERING THE MOST WERE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO REACH. THEY WERE ALREADY FIGHTING TO SURVIVE A WAR ZONE. 18 00:02:23,109 --> 00:02:30,049 RECENTLY, WE TRAVELED TO THIS BATTLEGROUND IN NORTHWEST SYRIA TO MEET AN AMERICAN MEDICAL CHARITY THAT BRAVED THE ODDS, 19 00:02:30,116 --> 00:02:48,601 BRINGING HANDS OF HEALING AND HOPE. >> IN THE NIGHT, FEBRUARY 6th, DEATH SEEMED A CERTAINTY. 20 00:02:48,668 --> 00:03:01,014 AND LIFE, A REVELATION. >> OH. >> THROUGH NORTHWEST SYRIA, 10,000 BUILDINGS CRUMBLED. 21 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:08,521 IN TOWNS THAT STOOD FOR MILLENIA, THE CATASTROPHE WAS BIBLICAL. BUT RESCUE DID NOT ASSURE 22 00:03:08,588 --> 00:03:15,361 SURVIVAL. AMBULANCES RACED TO A MEDICAL SYSTEM IN CRITICAL CONDITION ITSELF AFTER 12 YEARS OF BOMBED 23 00:03:15,428 --> 00:03:25,872 HOSPITALS AND MURDERED DOCTORS. >> THERE'S A CHILLING SAYING I LEARNED IN SYRIA THAT YOU KILL ONE DOCTOR, IT'S LIKE KILLING A 24 00:03:25,939 --> 00:03:32,679 HUNDRED SOLDIERS, BECAUSE IF YOU KILL A DOCTOR, YOU KILL A NURSE, YOU KILL A PARAMEDIC, YOU BLOW UP AN AMBULANCE, YOU DESTROY A 25 00:03:32,745 --> 00:03:43,022 HOSPITAL, YOU'RE NOT JUST KILLING THAT GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY HOPE FROM A COMMUNITY. 26 00:03:43,089 --> 00:03:53,166 >> SAMER ATTAR IS AN ORTHOPEDIC SURGEON FROM CHICAGO WHO VOLUNTEERS FOR THE SYRIAN AMERICAN MEDICAL SOCIETY, A 27 00:03:53,232 --> 00:04:04,277 U.S. CHARITY THAT OPERATES 13 HOSPITALS IN THE WAR ZONE WITH A SYRIAN STAFF OF 2300. >> SO, WHEN THE WAR BROKE OUT IN 28 00:04:04,344 --> 00:04:07,814 SYRIA, HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS, THE HEALTH CARE INFRASTRUCTURE, CAME UNDER ATTACK. BECAUSE WAR CRIMES WORK. 29 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:14,821 CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY WORK. IF YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, YOU CAN WIN. >> HE'S TALKING ABOUT RELENTLESS 30 00:04:14,887 --> 00:04:24,397 ATTACKS ON HEALTH CARE ORDERED BY SYRIA'S BASHAR AL ASSAD AND HIS ALLY RUSSIA'S VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO SENT HIS MILITARY TO SYRIA 31 00:04:24,464 --> 00:04:35,775 IN A PRELUDE TO UKRAINE. THE WAR BEGAN IN 2011 WITH AN UPRISING TO END THE ASSAD FAMILY'S 52-YEAR DICTATORSHIP. 32 00:04:35,842 --> 00:04:45,918 BUT ASSAD RESPONDED BY LEVELING HIS COUNTRY WITH ARTILLERY, CHEMICAL WEAPONS AND EXPLOSIVE BARRELS DROPPED FROM PLANES. 33 00:04:45,985 --> 00:04:55,528 14 MILLION HAVE LOST THEIR HOMES, 500,000 ARE DEAD. NORTHWEST SYRIA IS IN REBEL HANDS AND THIS IS WHERE WE MET 34 00:04:55,595 --> 00:05:00,533 THE SYRIAN AMERICAN MEDICAL SOCIETY KNOWN AS S.A.M.S. >> HOW MANY SURGERIES DID YOU DO? 35 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:07,740 >> I DID 23 ON MY FIRST DAY AND I REMEMBER CRYING MYSELF TO SLEEP THE FIRST NIGHT BECAUSE THE SUFFERING WAS JUST SO 36 00:05:07,807 --> 00:05:16,449 OVERWHELMING. >> WE HAD MET SAMER ATTAR SIX YEARS EARLIER WHERE S.A.M.S. WAS BUILDING A HOSPITAL IN A CAVE TO 37 00:05:16,516 --> 00:05:27,293 SHIELD IT FROM ATTACK. TODAY, THE HOSPITAL IS COMPLETE AND PROVED ITS ENDURANCE IN THE QUAKES. 38 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:39,906 AMANY JAQLAN IS A S.A.M.S. NURSE IN THE BLACK AND WHITE HIJAB HEAD SCARF. I WAS SHOCKED AT THE SCENE, SHE 39 00:05:39,972 --> 00:05:53,586 TOLD US. BODIES WERE SCATTERED ON THE FLOOR AND THERE WERE SO MANY. I COULDN'T HAVE IMAGINED THE 40 00:05:53,653 --> 00:06:06,032 EXTENT OF DESTRUCTION AND THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS. THE NUMBER, IN NORTHWEST SYRIA, WAS 4500 DEAD. 41 00:06:06,099 --> 00:06:16,142 IN THE CAVE HOSPITAL, THE LOST WERE LAID IN HALLWAYS WHERE A QUICK EXAMINATION COULD CHANGE A LIFE FOREVER AND DISBELIEF 42 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:25,418 SUSPENDED SORROW IF ONLY FOR A MOMENT. >> I REMEMBER A 22-YEAR-OLD THAT GOT ENGAGED THE DAY BEFORE THE 43 00:06:25,485 --> 00:06:33,526 EARTHQUAKE. AND THE NEXT DAY HIS WHOLE FAMILY WAS GONE. I REMEMBER A 16-YEAR-OLD WHO WAS 44 00:06:33,593 --> 00:06:41,033 PARALYZED FROM THE NECK DOWN AND HER FAMILY WAS GONE. AND SHE'S ON A MECHANICAL VENTILATOR IN A HOSPITAL IN 45 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:45,004 SYRIA. WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF HER? AND TWO ORPHANED TEENAGE SISTERS BOTH WITH WOUNDS IN BOTH LEGS 46 00:06:45,071 --> 00:06:52,645 REQUIRING MULTIPLE SURGERIES. AND A 4-YEAR-OLD KID WITH A TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY ON A VENTILATOR. 47 00:06:52,712 --> 00:07:00,853 >> THESE NURSES AND DOCTORS ARE THE BRAVEST PEOPLE I'VE EVER MET. THEY'RE ALREADY TRAUMATIZED BY 48 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:08,995 BARREL BOMBS AND CHEMICAL WEAPONS. BUT WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT THE EARTHQUAKE, I'VE NEVER REALLY 49 00:07:09,061 --> 00:07:16,469 SEEN SO MUCH FEAR AND PANIC AND ANXIETY. >> WE FOUND THOSE EMOTIONS IN THE STORY OF A WOMAN RESCUED 50 00:07:16,536 --> 00:07:25,578 FROM THIS COLLAPSED APANT BUILDING. 35-YEAR-OLD ZAINAB ALI AL NAJIB ARRIVED AT THE CAVE HOSPITAL TO 51 00:07:25,645 --> 00:07:32,952 TELL AMANY JAQLAN A STORY SHE COULD HARDLY BELIEVE. I REMEMBER A WOMAN WHO CAME TO ME TO SAY THAT ALL OF HER 52 00:07:33,019 --> 00:07:43,729 CHILDREN WERE DEAD. RESCUE WORKERS WERE DIGGING FOR THE WOMAN'S SIX CHILDREN. WE ARRIVED AT THE COLLAPSED 53 00:07:43,796 --> 00:07:54,874 BUILDING AND HEARD A NOISE. WE TRIED TO REACH THE SOUND QUICKLY, BUT OUR EQUIPMENT AND CAPABILITIES WERE LIMITED. 54 00:07:54,941 --> 00:08:08,521 THE RESCUERS INCLUDED ABDO TAREK AND SAMEH FAKHORI, VOLUNTEERS FOR THE WHITE HELMETS, A FORCE OF 3,000 CIVIL DEFENSE WORKERS 55 00:08:08,588 --> 00:08:18,464 FORMED NINE YEARS AGO TO SAVE VICTIMS FROM ASSAD'S ATTACKS. FAKHORI TOLD US THE GIRL WAS THE FIRST ONE WE RECEIVED BY DIGGING 56 00:08:18,531 --> 00:08:27,039 THROUGH THE ROOF. TWO KIDS WERE BEHIND HER. I WENT DOWN TO HER AND CLEARED THE DEBRIS FROM HER HANDS AND 57 00:08:27,106 --> 00:08:35,414 FEET AND AFTER AN HOUR AND A HALF, WE WERE ABLE TO PULL HER OUT. THE SURVIVAL CHILDREN WERE 58 00:08:35,481 --> 00:08:47,393 RUSHED TO THE CAVE HOSPITAL, INCLUDING 8-YEAR-OLD MOHAMMAD AND 6-YEAR-OLD SAFAA. AFTER ABOUT 15 MINUTES, JAQLAN 59 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:57,003 TOLD US A GIRL ARRIVED, FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER GIRL. THERE WERE THREE OF THEM. THREE SURVIVING CHILDREN OF SIX. 60 00:08:57,069 --> 00:09:07,880 WE FOUND THEM WITH THEIR MOTHER ZAINAB. WHEN YOUR SURVIVING CHILDREN CAME IN, IT MUST HAVE SEEMED 61 00:09:07,947 --> 00:09:21,761 LIKE A MIRACLE TO YOU? IMAGINE THINKING YOU'VE LOST ALL OF YOUR KIDS AND THAT EVERYONE IS GONE. 62 00:09:21,827 --> 00:09:33,205 AND THEN SOME OF THEM ARE RETURNED TO YOU. SHE TOLD US THAT SHE HAD TO LEAVE ONE CHILD IN SURGERY SO 63 00:09:33,272 --> 00:09:42,949 SHE COULD ATTEND THE FUNERAL OF ANOTHER. I TRY TO TALK TO THEM, BUT NOBODY ANSWERS ME. 64 00:09:43,015 --> 00:09:56,262 THE SILENCE IS UNBEARABLE. I MISS SEEING THEM AND HEARING THEIR LAUGHTER. IF ONLY I COULD MEET THEM FOR 65 00:09:56,329 --> 00:10:02,468 JUST AN HOUR. I PRAY THAT GOD REUNITES US AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THEY MUST US AS MUCH AS WE MISS 66 00:10:02,535 --> 00:10:08,174 THEM. I HOPE TO SEE THEM SOON IN HEAVEN. HER TENT STANDS WHERE HER 67 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:14,714 APARTMENT FELL. IN NORTHWEST SYRIA, THE QUAKES LEFT 53,000 FAMILIES WITH NOWHERE TO GO. 68 00:10:14,780 --> 00:10:22,221 EXPANDING THE WAR'S AGEING CAMPUS OF THE HOMELESS. >> WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS? >> WHEW. 69 00:10:22,288 --> 00:10:29,128 WHAT DO THEY NOT NEED? I MEAN, LOOK AT THIS. FOOD SECURITY IS ONE THING. >> MUFADDAL HAMADEH IS A CHICAGO 70 00:10:29,195 --> 00:10:37,203 ONCOLOGIST AND FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE SYRIAN AMERICAN MEDICAL SOCIETY. HE TOLD US S.A.M.S. SPENDS $28 71 00:10:37,269 --> 00:10:48,214 MILLION A YEAR IN SYRIA, ABOUT $10 MILLION OF THAT IS CONTRIBUTED BY U.S. FOREIGN AID. WHAT IS YOUR HOPE FOR SYRIA'S 72 00:10:48,280 --> 00:11:00,226 FUTURE? >> I HOPE THEY CAN FIND HOPE THAT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO BELIEVE IN THE FUTURE. 73 00:11:00,292 --> 00:11:15,474 THEY FEEL SO MUCH LEFT BEHIND AND THE WORLD HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT THEM. I WISH THEY COULD FEEL AGAIN 74 00:11:15,541 --> 00:11:28,154 THAT THERE'S -- THAT THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT REALLY CARE. >> WE FOUND MOMENTS OF HOPE EVEN AMID THE UNHOLY DAMAGE UNTIL 75 00:11:28,220 --> 00:11:39,799 IDLIB, A CITY REMEMBERING 12 YEARS OF WAR AND STILL IN REBEL HANDS. HERE, S.A.M.S. BUILT A HOSPITAL 76 00:11:39,865 --> 00:11:49,608 FROM AN OFFICE BUILDING AND IN SURGERIES WEEKS BEFORE, SAMER ATTAR REPAIRED 12-YEAR-OLD SUZANNE'S ARMS AND LEGS. 77 00:11:49,675 --> 00:11:56,148 >> YOU WANT TO STAND UP AGAIN? >> STAND UP? >> YEAH, WITH ME. ALL RIGHT. 78 00:11:56,215 --> 00:12:02,154 THEN, LET'S DO IT. >> WHAT DOES THAT MOMENT OF PROGRESS MEAN TO YOU? >> I GOTCHA. 79 00:12:02,221 --> 00:12:10,496 >> IT MEANS THAT THERE ARE DAYS WHERE YOU FIGHT BOUTS OF HELPLESSNESS AND HOPELESSNESS AND YOU WONDER WHAT EXACTLY 80 00:12:10,563 --> 00:12:16,702 YOU'RE ACCOMPLISHING. AND YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO EMPTY THE OCEAN WITH A SMALL CUP BECAUSE IT NEVER ENDS AND 81 00:12:16,769 --> 00:12:22,741 THE SUFFERING NEVER ENDS AND IT NEVER SEEMS TO BE GOING AWAY. BUT IT'S THOSE, IT'S THOSE BRIEF FLASHES THAT ARE ENOUGH TO KEEP 82 00:12:22,808 --> 00:12:31,317 YOU GOING FOR ANOTHER MONTH. >> THERE WILL BE MANY MONTHS AHEAD WITH NO END IN SIGHT TO THE WAR. 83 00:12:31,383 --> 00:12:42,128 >> HAVE THERE BEEN AIR STRIKES SINCE THE EARTHQUAKE? >> YES, THERE HAVE BEEN AIR STRIKES. 84 00:12:42,194 --> 00:12:50,736 THIS AREA EXPERIENCED AN ARTILLERY BOMBARDMENT FOUR DAYS AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE. >> HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE 85 00:12:50,803 --> 00:12:54,140 CRUELTY OF CONDUCTING AIR STRIKES AGAINST PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST SURVIVED THIS TERRIBLE CATASTROPHE? 86 00:12:54,206 --> 00:12:59,211 >> THE QUESTION, THEY THOUGHT, HAD AN OBVIOUS ANSWER. THEY TOLD US, ASSAD IS A CRIMINAL. 87 00:12:59,278 --> 00:13:05,217 WITH NO PROSPECT OF PEACE, DR. ATTAR WORRIES NOW ABOUT VITAL FOLLOW-UP SURGERIES, PHYSICAL THERAPY AND PROSTHETIC 88 00:13:05,284 --> 00:13:15,995 LIMBS. >> THEY'RE GOING TO STRUGGLE AND WHAT FUTURE DO THEY HAVE? I KEEP THINKING OF THAT GIRL ON 89 00:13:16,061 --> 00:13:26,639 A MECHANICAL VENTILATOR WHO IS PARALYZED FROM THE CHEST DOWN. WHAT HAPPENS TO HER? NORMALLY IN SYRIA, A BIG PART OF 90 00:13:26,705 --> 00:13:36,448 THE COMMUNITY IS FAMILY. BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY'S BEEN KILLED AND THERE'S NOBODY ELSE AROUND. 91 00:13:36,515 --> 00:13:41,554 WHO TAKES CARE OF YOU? >> YOU HAVE VOLUNTEERED AT THIS HOSPITAL DURING THE WAR. YOU CAME RUSHING BACK AFTER THE 92 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:49,295 EARTHQUAKE. YOU HAVE TREATED BATTLEFIELD INJURIES IN UKRAINE AS A VOLUNTEER. 93 00:13:49,361 --> 00:13:57,069 AND I HAVE TO ASK, WHY DO YOU DO THIS WORK? >> IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SHOWING UP TO HELP OUT. 94 00:13:57,136 --> 00:14:04,243 A LOT OF THESE MISSIONS FOR ME ARE ABOUT BEARING WITNESS. THEY'RE ABOUT CONNECTION AND SOLIDARITY AND ADVOCACY. 95 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:10,316 JUST BEING ABLE TO BE HERE, BE THERE AND LOOK THESE NURSES LOOK THESE DOCTORS IN THE EYE AND SHAKE THEIR HAND AND BE PRESENT 96 00:14:10,382 --> 00:14:15,888 WITH THEM, BE ON THE GROUND WITH THEM. IT JUST LETS THEM KNOW IT'S A SMALL WORD. 97 00:14:15,955 --> 00:14:23,295 THEY'RE NOT ALONE. WE'RE ALL CONNECTED, AND THAT WHEN THE WORLD IS LITERALLY CRASHING DOWN AROUND YOU AND 98 00:14:23,362 --> 00:14:37,343 COLLAPSING, ALL YOU'VE GOT IS EACH OTHER. AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY I KEEP COMING BACK. 99 00:14:37,409 --> 00:14:43,282 >> EACH OTHER AND COURAGE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH TO STEAL MOMENTS OF TRIUMPH. BUT NORTHWEST SYRIA WILL BE 100 00:14:43,349 --> 00:14:53,325 FORCED TO RATION MERCY. 11,000 WOUNDED FROM THE QUAKES ARE ON A LONG JOURNEY. VICTIMS OF A VICIOUS AND 101 00:14:53,392 --> 00:15:04,003 FORGOTTEN WAR, SUSTAINED ONLY BY THE COMPASSION OF HUMANITARIAN HEARTS. >> ARE YOU GOOD? 102 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:06,338 >> VERY GOOD. >> VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. YOU CAN TAKE ONE STEP? 103 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:10,576 ONE STEP. THAT FEEL GOOD? >> VERY GOOD. >> VERY GOOD. 104 00:15:13,445 --> 00:15:20,619 >>> HOW WHITE HELMET VOLUNTEERS ARE BUILDING BACK SYRIA. >> AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE, THE WHITE HELMETS HAVE A MUCH BIG 105 00:15:20,686 --> 00:15:33,699 MISSION. AT 60MINUTESOVERTIME.COM. >>> FOR MILLIONS OF CONSUMERS OF CONSERVATIVE NEWS, RAY EPPS IS A 106 00:15:33,766 --> 00:15:44,943 NOTORIOUS VILLAIN, A PROVOCATEUR RESPONSIBLE FOR TURNING PEACEFUL PROTESTS ON JANUARY 6th INTO A VIOLENT ASSAULT ON THE U.S. 107 00:15:45,010 --> 00:15:48,580 CAPITOL. THE IRONY IS THAT EPPS WAS A PASSIONATE SUPPORTER OF PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO WENT TO 108 00:15:48,647 --> 00:15:54,887 WASHINGTON TO PROTEST THE 2020 ELECTION. BUT HIS OFTEN CONTRADICTORY BEHAVIOR THAT DAY SPAWNED A 109 00:15:54,953 --> 00:16:03,562 FULL-FLEDGED CONSPIRACY THEORY, CASTING HIM AS A GOVERNMENT AGENT WHO INCITED AN INSURRECTION. 110 00:16:03,629 --> 00:16:09,101 TODAY, EPPS IS IN HIDING AFTER DEATH THREATS FORCED HIM TO SELL HIS HOME. SO WHO IS RAY EPPS? 111 00:16:09,168 --> 00:16:17,576 TONIGHT, YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MAN HIMSELF. >> AS SOON AS PRESIDENT TRUMP IS FINISHED SPEAKING, WE ARE GOING 112 00:16:17,643 --> 00:16:25,551 TO THE CAPITOL. IT'S THAT DIRECTION. >> AT 6'4" IN HIS DESERT CAMOUFLAGE, BRIGHT RED TRUMP HAT 113 00:16:25,617 --> 00:16:36,929 AND MILITARY-STYLE BACKPACK, RAY EPPS STOOD OUT FROM THE CROWD ON JANUARY 6th. THAT'S HIM RUNNING TOWARD THE 114 00:16:36,995 --> 00:16:44,670 U.S. CAPITOL ALONGSIDE THE VANGUARD OF RIOTERS WHO FIRST ATTACKED AND OVERRAN POLICE. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU 115 00:16:44,737 --> 00:16:51,243 SEE THIS NOW? >> IT BRINGS BACK SOME BAD MEMORIES. IT'S HARD TO SEE OUR CAPITOL 116 00:16:51,310 --> 00:16:58,384 UNDER ATTACK. >> IT'S BEEN MORE THAN TWO YEARS SINCE THE STORMING OF THE CAPITOL. 117 00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:08,060 BUT RAY AND HIS WIFE ROBYN TOLD US THEY RELIVE JANUARY 6th EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES. >> SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID, WELL, 118 00:17:08,127 --> 00:17:14,299 LET IT GO AND LET IT DIE DOWN. >> IT DOESN'T. >> WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND, IT DOESN'T. 119 00:17:14,366 --> 00:17:18,670 >> WHAT EXACTLY WAS THE ROLE OF RAY EPPS IN THE CHAOS OF JANUARY 6? >> THE THEORY EPPS, A FORMER 120 00:17:18,737 --> 00:17:24,109 MEMBER OF THE OATH KEEPERS, WAS AN FBI INFORMANT WHO INCITED THE CROWD ON JANUARY 6, BUBBLED UP FROM A RIGHT-WING NEWS SITE 121 00:17:24,176 --> 00:17:34,520 CALLED REVOLVER NEWS RUN BY A FORMER TRUMP SPEECHWRITER. >> HE IS A SMOKING GUN. >> AND LANDED ON FOX NEWS PRIME 122 00:17:34,586 --> 00:17:38,257 TIME. >> ACCORDING TO A NEW INVESTIGATION FROM REVOLVER, EPPS MAY HAVE LED THE BREACH 123 00:17:38,323 --> 00:17:44,396 TEAM THAT FIRST ENTERED THE CAPITOL ON JANUARY 6th. >> THE CONVOLUTED CONSPIRACY THEORY MADE ITS WAY TO CAPITOL 124 00:17:44,463 --> 00:17:50,302 HILL. >> IT'S NOT THE PROUD BOYS WHO ENGAGE IN THE INITIAL BREACH. IT'S RAY EPPS AT THAT PRECISE 125 00:17:50,369 --> 00:17:54,473 MOMENT. >> HOW DID RAY EPPS KNOW THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE PIPE BOMBS? 126 00:17:54,540 --> 00:18:04,650 >> MRS. SANBORN, WHO IS RAY EPPS? >> THAT QUESTION HAS ANIMATED FOX NEWS HOST TUCKER CARLSON FOR 127 00:18:04,716 --> 00:18:09,254 NEARLY TWO YEARS. >> RAY EPPS? HE'S ON VIDEO SEVERAL TIMES ENCOURAGING CRIMES, RIOTS, 128 00:18:09,321 --> 00:18:16,094 BREACH OF THE CAPITOL. >> CARLSON HAS FOCUSED ON EPPS MORE THAN 20 TIMES ON HIS TOP-RATED SHOW. 129 00:18:16,161 --> 00:18:24,470 A HALF DOZEN TIMES SO FAR THIS YEAR. >> HE'S OBSESSED WITH ME, HE'S GOING TO ANY MEANS POSSIBLE TO 130 00:18:24,536 --> 00:18:39,885 DRY MY LIFE AND OUR LIVES. >> WHY? >> TO SHIFT BLAME ON SOMEBODY ELSE. 131 00:18:39,952 --> 00:18:43,121 IF YOU LOOK AT IT, FOX NEWS, MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE, TED CRUZ, GATES, THEY'RE ALL TELLING US BEFORE THIS THING THAT IT WAS 132 00:18:43,188 --> 00:18:47,759 STOLEN. SO, YOU TELL ME, WHO HAS MORE IMPACT ON PEOPLE, THEM OR ME? >> EPPS, ONCE A LOYAL FOX NEWS 133 00:18:47,826 --> 00:18:53,098 WATCHER, TOLD US HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW HE GOT CAST AS THE VILLAIN. THE EPPS VERSION IS MORE 134 00:18:53,165 --> 00:19:01,507 MUNDANE. THEY BELIEVE THE 2020 ELECTION HAD BEEN STOLEN FROM DONALD TRUMP AND CONSIDERED JANUARY 6th 135 00:19:01,573 --> 00:19:09,147 A LEGITIMATE PROTEST. >> IT WAS A SLOPPY ELECTION. AND THEN TO TOP THAT OFF, YOU HAVE TALKING HEADS REPORTING 136 00:19:09,214 --> 00:19:17,122 THAT THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH THE VOTING MACHINES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. THE ELECTION'S STOLEN. 137 00:19:17,189 --> 00:19:23,362 SO, YEAH, WE HAD CONCERNS. I WANTED TO BE THERE. I WANTED TO WITNESS THIS WITH MY OWN EYES. 138 00:19:23,428 --> 00:19:27,599 >> EPPS WENT TO WASHINGTON WITH HIS 36-YEAR-OLD SON AND ALMOST IMMEDIATELY STEPPED INTO TROUBLE. 139 00:19:27,666 --> 00:19:35,240 THE CONSPIRACY THEORY STARTS HERE, THE NIGHT OF JANUARY 5th. >> GIVE ME ONE MINUTE. GIVE ME ONE MINUTE. 140 00:19:35,307 --> 00:19:42,748 >> ON THE STREETS OF D.C., TENSIONS WERE RUNNING HIGH AT A PRO-TRUMP RALLY, BEING LIVE STREAMED ON THE INTERNET. 141 00:19:42,814 --> 00:19:46,985 THE MARINE VETERAN TRIED TO TAKE CHARGE. >> I'M GOING TO PUT IT OUT THERE, I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GO 142 00:19:47,052 --> 00:19:59,498 TO JAIL FOR THIS. TOMORROW, WE NEED TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL, INTO THE CAPITOL. PEACEFULLY. 143 00:19:59,565 --> 00:20:09,641 >> FED, FED, FED, FED! >> TO SOME IN THE CROWD, EPPS SEEMED SO OVER THE TOP, HE MUST HAVE BEEN A GOVERNMENT AGENT, A 144 00:20:09,708 --> 00:20:19,685 FED SENT TO ENTRAP THEM. >> WHEN YOU SAID, WE HAVE TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL, WE HAVE TO GO INTO THE CAPITOL, WHAT WERE YOU 145 00:20:19,751 --> 00:20:26,358 THINKING? >> I SAID SOME STUPID THINGS. MY THOUGHT PROCESS, WE SURROUND THE CAPITOL, WE GET ALL THE 146 00:20:26,425 --> 00:20:31,563 PEOPLE THERE. I MEAN, I HAD PROBLEMS WITH THE ELECTION. IT WAS MY DUTY AS AN AMERICAN TO 147 00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:37,803 PEACEFULLY PROTEST, ALONG WITH ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO. >> THE NEXT MORNING, JANUARY 6th, EPPS WAS OUT BY THE 148 00:20:37,869 --> 00:20:48,680 WASHINGTON MONUMENT, STILL FOCUSED ON A SINGLE GOAL. >> WE ARE GOING TO THE CAPITOL. WHERE OUR PROBLEMS ARE. 149 00:20:48,747 --> 00:20:52,184 IT'S THAT DIRECTION. >> WE'RE GOING TO WALK DOWN TO THE CAPITOL. >> WHILE PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS 150 00:20:52,250 --> 00:21:04,429 STILL SPEAKING AT THE ELLIPSE, RAY EPPS WALKED TOWARD THE CAPITOL. HE TOLD US HE WANTED TO BE UP 151 00:21:04,496 --> 00:21:09,368 FRONT TO HELP KEEP THE PEACE. WHAT HAPPENED NEXT AT PEACE CIRCLE WHERE PROTESTERS FIRST OVERRAN POLICE IS SEEN AS A 152 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:20,746 SMOKING GUN. EPPS PULLED THIS AGITATED RIOTER ASIDE AND SAID SOMETHING. CONSPIRACISTS SAY HE WAS GIVING 153 00:21:20,812 --> 00:21:29,454 MARCHING ORDERS, BECAUSE SECONDS LATER, THIS HAPPENED. THE FIRST CAPITOL POLICE OFFICER GOES DOWN. 154 00:21:29,521 --> 00:21:37,162 >> AS CLOSELY AS YOU CAN REMEMBER, WHAT EXACTLY DID YOU SAY TO HIM? >> DUDE, WE'RE NOT HERE FOR 155 00:21:37,229 --> 00:21:45,570 THAT. THE POLICE AREN'T THE ENEMY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> DID ANYONE FROM THE FEDERAL 156 00:21:45,637 --> 00:21:52,911 GOVERNMENT DIRECT YOU TO BE HERE AT THE PEACE CIRCLE AT THIS TIME? >> NO. 157 00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:58,383 >> NO ONE FROM THE FBI? >> NO. >> YOUR OLD COMRADES WITH THE OATH KEEPERS? 158 00:21:58,450 --> 00:22:04,856 >> NO. >> I THINK WHAT IS SO DAMNING ABOUT THE VIDEO IS THAT THERE'S A BARRIER THERE. 159 00:22:04,923 --> 00:22:10,062 THE BARRIER GETS KNOCKED DOWN. AND A POLICE OFFICER, A FEMALE POLICE OFFICER, GETS KNOCKED DOWN. 160 00:22:10,128 --> 00:22:19,771 AND THE MOB, INCLUDING YOU, WALK OVER THE BARRIER AND MARCH ON TOWARD THE CAPITOL. >> RIGHT. 161 00:22:19,838 --> 00:22:29,915 >> WHY DIDN'T YOU STOP TO HELP THIS POLICE OFFICER WHO WAS KNOCKED OVER? >> WHEN SHE WAS KNOCKED DOWN AND 162 00:22:29,981 --> 00:22:35,253 I STARTED TO GO TOWARDS HER TO HELP HER UP, AND I SAW A BILLY CLUB OVER HERE IN THE CORNER OF MY EYE, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, 163 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,858 THEY'RE GOING TO THINK I'M PART OF THIS SO I BACKED OFF. >> YOU WERE PART OF IT. >> I WAS THERE. 164 00:22:39,925 --> 00:22:46,298 I WASN'T A PART OF THAT, KNOCKING HER DOWN. >> AND HE WASN'T PART OF THE VIOLENCE. 165 00:22:46,364 --> 00:22:56,308 THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE THERE. >> IS THAT YOU THERE? >> RAY EPPS WAS NEVER SEEN COMMITTING AN ACT OF VIOLENCE 166 00:22:56,374 --> 00:23:04,649 THAT DAY. OR ENTERING THE CAPITOL. EPPS TOLD US WHEN HE SAW THE VIOLENCE, HIS FERVOR TO ENTER 167 00:23:04,716 --> 00:23:14,059 THE BUILDING BECAME A DESIRE TO PLAY PEACEMAKER. >> THEY'RE NOT THE ENEMY. THEY'RE NOT THE ENEMY. 168 00:23:14,126 --> 00:23:19,297 APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. >> AND POLICE BODY CAM VIDEO BACKS HIM UP. >> I THOUGHT I COULD STOP IT. 169 00:23:19,364 --> 00:23:24,369 SO I WENT BACK AND FORTH, I TALKED PEOPLE DOWN AND WORKED THE LINE BACK AND FORTH. STEP DOWN. 170 00:23:24,436 --> 00:23:31,910 STEP DOWN, WE'RE GOOD HERE. THAT KIND OF THING. AND I KEPT IT THAT WAY FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 171 00:23:31,977 --> 00:23:42,788 >> WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GET PEOPLE HURT. THEY DON'T WANT TO GET HURT. YOU DON'T WANT TO GET HURT. 172 00:23:42,854 --> 00:23:49,227 BACK UP. >> EPPS SAYS HE LEFT THE CAPITOL GROUNDS TO HELP EVACUATE AN INJURED MAN. 173 00:23:49,294 --> 00:23:56,535 THE TIME 2:54 P.M. >> I LOOKED BACK AT THE CAPITOL AND THERE WAS PEOPLE CRAWLING UP THE CAPITOL WALLS. 174 00:23:56,601 --> 00:24:01,673 AND IT LOOKED LIKE -- IT LOOKED TERRIBLE. I MEAN, I WAS KIND OF ASHAMED OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THAT POINT, 175 00:24:01,740 --> 00:24:06,611 SO I STARTED TO WALK OUT. >> HE TOLD US THAT'S WHEN HE SENT THIS TEXT TO HIS NEPHEW, CONSPIRACISTS SAW IT AS THE TRUE 176 00:24:06,678 --> 00:24:10,382 CONFESSION OF AN AGENT PROVOCATEUR. >> I WAS IN FRONT WITH A FEW OTHERS, I ALSO ORCHESTRATED IT. 177 00:24:10,448 --> 00:24:16,922 EXPLAIN THIS TO ME. >> I WAS BOASTING TO MY NEPHEW. I HELPED GET PEOPLE THERE. I WAS DIRECTING PEOPLE TO THE 178 00:24:16,988 --> 00:24:22,027 CAPITOL THAT MORNING. >> YOU KNOW HOW THIS SOUNDS? >> I KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT SOUNDS I'VE BEEN SCOLDED BY MY WIFE FOR 179 00:24:22,093 --> 00:24:30,535 USING THAT WORD. I SHOULDN'T HAVE USED THAT WORD. >> WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL OF THESE THINGS AS YOUR CRITICS HAVE 180 00:24:30,602 --> 00:24:39,845 DONE, YOU'VE GIVEN THEM A LOT OF AMMUNITION TO PAINT THEM AS INSTIGATOR? >> THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO MAKE 181 00:24:39,911 --> 00:24:48,520 ME AS THE SCAPEGOAT. >> IF RAY EPPS IS A COVERT PLANT, HE'S THE WORST COVERT PLANT OF ALL TIME. 182 00:24:48,587 --> 00:24:52,524 IF YOU ARE PART OF SOME ELABORATE CONSPIRACY AGAINST THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON, D.C., I DON'T KNOW 183 00:24:52,591 --> 00:24:59,831 WHY YOU'D WANT TO STAND OUT FROM THE CROWD THE WAY RAY EPPS DID. >> TOM JOSCELYN IS A RESEARCHER AND AUTHOR, ONE OF THE COUNTRY'S 184 00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:07,639 TOP TERRORISM EXPERTS, TAPPED BY THE JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE TO HELP WRITE THE FINAL REPORT WHICH FOUND EVIDENCE FAR RIGHT 185 00:25:07,706 --> 00:25:14,679 EXTREMIST LIKE THE PROUD BOYS PLANNED AND EXECUTED THE BREACH OF THE CAPITOL. HE SAYS THE COMMITTEE 186 00:25:14,746 --> 00:25:19,751 INTERVIEWED EPPS AND FOUND HE WASN'T IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO PUT IN THE REPORT. >> I WOULDN'T DEFEND RAY EPPS OR 187 00:25:19,818 --> 00:25:28,860 ANYBODY ELSE WHO WAS ON THE CAPITOL GROUNDS THAT DAY. I WAS JUST DEFEND THE FACTS. SO THE IDEA THAT HE'S LEADING 188 00:25:28,927 --> 00:25:35,233 THE CHARGE OR REALLY ORCHESTRATING IT IS JUST CONTRADICTED BY THIS MOUNTAIN RANGE OF EVIDENCE. 189 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:43,742 THAT'S WHAT THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS WANT YOU TO DO. THEY WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON THE PEBBLE ON THE GROUND THAT IS RAY 190 00:25:43,808 --> 00:25:47,312 EPPS. THEY ALSO DON'T WANT YOU TO LOOK AT WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SAYING AND DOING. 191 00:25:47,379 --> 00:25:52,217 >> HE CALLS EPPS' BEHAVIOR BAFFLING BUT NOT EVIDENCE OF A CONSPIRACY. >> THEY'VE GOT TO COME UP WITH 192 00:25:52,284 --> 00:26:00,191 SOME CONNECTIVE TISSUE BETWEEN RAY EPPS AND THE FBI AND THEY'VE GOT NONE. SO THEY CAN MAKE UP ALL SORTS OF 193 00:26:00,258 --> 00:26:05,597 AD HOC ARGUMENTS TO JUSTIFY THEIR BELIEFS. ITS NOT ACTUAL INVESTIGATIVE WORK OR ACTUAL EVIDENCE. 194 00:26:05,664 --> 00:26:12,237 >> THE JANUARY 6th COMMITTEE LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, VIDEO, PHONE RECORDS, TRAVEL RECEIPTS, SO DID THE FBI. 195 00:26:12,304 --> 00:26:19,878 WHEN EPPS GOT BACK TO ARIZONA ON JANUARY 8th, A RELATIVE TOLD HIM HE WAS ON AN FBI POSTER SEEKING INFORMATION ABOUT CERTAIN 196 00:26:19,945 --> 00:26:32,090 RIOTERS. >> WE LITERALLY HUNG UP THE PHONE AND WALKED RIGHT INTO THE HOUSE, SAT DOWN AND CALLED THE 197 00:26:32,157 --> 00:26:36,428 FBI. >> DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT YOU SAID TO THE FBI? >> TOLD THEM WHO I WAS AND I 198 00:26:36,494 --> 00:26:42,200 WOULD COOPERATE IN ANY WAY I COULD. I DIDN'T BREAK ANY LAWS. >> TWO MONTHS LATER, HE MET WITH 199 00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:48,940 AGENTS. >> SO, WHEN YOU MET WITH THE FBI, I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE, FINALLY, WE'RE GOING TO CLEAR 200 00:26:49,007 --> 00:26:52,677 THIS UP. THERE WAS NO, I TAKE THE FIFTH, THERE WAS NONE OF THAT. IT WAS JUST LIKE WE'RE TALKING 201 00:26:52,744 --> 00:26:58,350 RIGHT NOW I WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING. THEY HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS. >> IN THE SUMMER OF 2021, THE 202 00:26:58,416 --> 00:27:05,590 FBI TOOK HIS PICTURE OFF THE BUREAU'S WEBSITE. EPPS THOUGHT THAT WOULD END HIS TROUBLES BUT IT ONLY ADDED FUEL 203 00:27:05,657 --> 00:27:13,098 TO THE CONSPIRACY. >> A NEW FEES IN "REVOLVER NEWS" NOTES THAT THE FBI REMOVED A PHOTO OF RAY EPPS FROM ITS MOST 204 00:27:13,164 --> 00:27:15,633 WANTED PAGE THIS SUMMER. >> HOW ABOUT THE ONE GUY, GO IN. GO IN, GET IN THERE, EVERYBODY. EPPS. 205 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:22,273 GET IN THERE, GO, GO, GO! NOTHING HAPPENS TO HIM. >> THE EPPS WOULD DISPUTE THAT, AFTER FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP 206 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:28,980 MENTIONED EPPS BY NAME, HARASSMENT AND DEATH THREATS PICKED UP. >> I PRAY, TO COME TO YOU TO 207 00:27:29,047 --> 00:27:36,021 KILL YOU, WHAT DO YOU THINK WHEN YOU OPEN A LETTER LIKE THAT? >> SCARES ME TO DEATH. >> IT GOT SO BAD, THEY WERE 208 00:27:36,087 --> 00:27:44,996 FORCED TO SELL THEIR FIVE-ACRE RANCH OUTSIDE OF PHOENIX. THEY'RE NOW IN HIDING LIVING IN THIS 300-SQUARE FOOT 209 00:27:45,063 --> 00:27:55,140 RECREATIONAL VEHICLE SOMEWHERE IN THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS. WE AGREED NOT TO DISCLOSE EXACTLY WHERE. 210 00:27:55,206 --> 00:28:03,948 >> IT'S SO SAD WHAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO RAY, AND TO US. TO OUR LIVES. SOMETIMES, I'VE USED MY MAIDEN 211 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:12,891 NAME JUST SO THAT WE DON'T CALL ATTENTION. >> I HAVE A HARD TIME, BEING A MAN, BEING A MARINE, BEING ON 212 00:28:12,957 --> 00:28:22,734 THE RUN. I HAD TO DO THE NECESSARY THINGS TO KEEP MY FAMILY SAFE. >> IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT THE 213 00:28:22,801 --> 00:28:30,308 FBI HAS TO SAY ABOUT ALL THIS, FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, IT HAS SAID NOTHING. AFTER REPEATED QUERIES BY "60 214 00:28:30,375 --> 00:28:36,681 MINUTES" LATE THIS PAST WEEK, THE BUREAU ISSUED THIS STATEMENT, QUOTE, RAY EPPS HAS NEVER BEEN AN FBI SOURCE OR AN 215 00:28:36,748 --> 00:28:39,451 FBI EMPLOYEE. 216 00:28:50,895 --> 00:28:56,267 >>> IT'S NO SECRET BIG HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS LIKE A SURE BET AND THERE'S NO SHORTAGE OF PREDICTABLE MOVIES TO PROVE IT, 217 00:28:56,334 --> 00:29:01,906 WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY NICOLAS CAGE LEFT LOS ANGELES FOR LAS VEGAS A LONG TIME AGO. AT 59, THE ACADEMY AWARD WINNER 218 00:29:01,973 --> 00:29:13,017 OWNS ONE OF THE MOST ECLECTIC LISTS OF FILM CREDITS IN THE BUSINESS. HE'S BEEN AT IT FOR MORE THAN 40 219 00:29:13,084 --> 00:29:20,792 YEARS, PIVOTING FROM LEADING MAN TO ACTION HERO TO A SLEW OF LESSER FEATURES AND BACK AGAIN. BUT WE LEARNED BEHIND THAT 220 00:29:20,859 --> 00:29:27,432 KALEIDOSCOPE OF CHARACTERS IS AN UNIQUE IMAGINATION, AND ENCYCLOPEDIC KNOWLEDGE OF FILM THAT SEEMS TO MOTIVATE 221 00:29:27,499 --> 00:29:38,309 EVERYTHING NICOLAS CAGE DOES, HIS WORK, HIS LIFE AND EVEN THIS. SI 222 00:29:38,376 --> 00:29:41,246 >> I ALWAYS LOVED THAT CHARACTER. >> CAGE'S BRAND-NEW GOLD LAMBORGHINI A TRIBUTE TO A 223 00:29:41,312 --> 00:29:49,020 BELOVED 1968 FILM DIRECTED BY FEDERICO FELLINI, FEATURING THE GILDED FERRARI. >> IT WAS A CRAZY BEAUTIFUL 224 00:29:49,087 --> 00:29:53,992 FELLINI MOVIE AND IT INSPIRED ME. SO WHEN I SAW THIS, I SAID, THAT'S THE CAR, IT'S NOT A 225 00:29:54,058 --> 00:29:58,363 FERRARI, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT. BUT THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE GOLD FERRARIS. >> HAVE YOU DRIVEN THIS OUT HERE 226 00:29:58,429 --> 00:30:09,774 BEYOND THE GATES? >> OH, YEAH. >> YEAH? >> IT'S FUN. 227 00:30:09,841 --> 00:30:19,184 >> IT'S FUN. >> SNAP, CRACKLE, POP, RIGHT? >> BY ANY MEASURE, NICOLAS CAGE IS NOT SLOWING DOWN, HE'S 228 00:30:19,250 --> 00:30:29,093 REVAMPING THE ROLE OF DRACULA IN A MOVIE OUT NOW CALLED "RENFIELD" AND HAS ANOTHER FIVE MOVIES COMING UP. 229 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:35,300 WE MET NICOLAS CAGE AT THE MOMENT HE SHARES WITH HIS WIFE AND YOUNG DAUGHTER IN LAS VEGAS. WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU MIGHT 230 00:30:35,366 --> 00:30:43,641 IMAGINE NICOLAS CAGE'S HOME IN LAS VEGAS WOULD BE, PART GOTH-CATHEDRAL, PART AVANT-GARDE GALLERY. 231 00:30:43,708 --> 00:30:50,648 THERE'S AN AFRICAN CROW IN THE LIVING ROOM. A CAT THAT COULD SCARE OFF A BURGLAR AND THIS. 232 00:30:50,715 --> 00:30:55,687 >> THIS IS MY BLACK DRAGON, IT'S A MONITOR LIZARD. HE'LL GET TO BE LIKE SIX FEET LONG. 233 00:30:55,753 --> 00:31:01,993 IT'S LIKE HAVING A REAL DINOSAUR IN YOUR HOUSE, IT'S KIND OF AMAZING. AND HE'S ALIVE. 234 00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:10,735 >> THAT KIND OF IMAGINATION IS IN HIS DNA. NICOLAS KIM COPPOLA WAS BORN ON THE FRINGE OF CINEMA ROYALTY. 235 00:31:10,802 --> 00:31:19,711 HIS UNCLE IS DIRECTOR FRANCIS FORD COPPOLA. HIS TOLD HIS MOTHER JOY, A CHOREOGRAPHER, SUFFERED FROM 236 00:31:19,777 --> 00:31:23,514 SEVERE MENTAL ILLNESS AND WAS INSTITUTIONALIZED FOR MUCH OF HIS CHILDHOOD. HE AND HIS TWO BROTHERS WERE 237 00:31:23,581 --> 00:31:37,262 RAISED BY HIS FATHER, AUGUST, A LITERATURE PROFESSOR. AS A TEENAGER, HE WORKED AT A MOVIE THEATER AND SAYS HE WAS 238 00:31:37,328 --> 00:31:44,235 MESMERIZED BY THE BIG SCENE. WAS IT ABOUT BEING A MOVIE STAR OR WAS IT ABOUT ESCAPING INTO SOMETHING ELSE? 239 00:31:44,302 --> 00:31:52,977 >> IT WAS, IT WAS ABOUT WANTING TO BE JAMES DEAN IN "REBEL WITHOUT A CAUSE" OR WEARING THAT RED JACKET. 240 00:31:53,044 --> 00:31:57,048 WANTING TO BE JOHN IN "SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER." I CAME OUT OF THE CINEMA ELECTRIFIED. 241 00:31:57,115 --> 00:32:02,453 YEAH, I WANTED TO GO THERE. >> AND AFTER SEEING JAMES DEAN IN "EAST OF EDEN," HE DID. >> IT WAS MORE MEANINGFUL TO ME 242 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:14,098 THAN ANYTHING ELSE I'D EXPERIENCED. MUSIC, YOU KNOW, BEETHOVEN, BEATLES, PAINTING. 243 00:32:14,165 --> 00:32:19,771 WHAT I SAW IN THAT MOMENT MADE ME REALIZE THE POWER, THE EXCITEMENT, OF WHAT YOU CAN CONVEY THROUGH FILM PERFORMANCE, 244 00:32:19,837 --> 00:32:26,444 FILM PERFORMANCE. >> HE'S BEEN IN PURSUIT OF THAT FEELING FOR MOST OF HIS LIKE THAT. 245 00:32:26,511 --> 00:32:35,353 INHABITING CHARACTERS OF EVERY STRIPE, A BABY-SNATCHING EX-CON. >> I'LL BE TAKING THESE HUGGIES AND WHATEVER CASH YOU GOT. 246 00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:39,857 >> A BROOKLYN BAKER. AN ALCOHOLIC SCREEN WRITER. >> DO YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE I CAN BORROW? 247 00:32:39,924 --> 00:32:45,396 >> A TREASURE HUNTER AND EVEN HIMSELF. >> NICK CAGE. >> CAGE'S FIRST FEATURE ROLE 248 00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:54,038 CAME IN 1982'S "FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH" THE 17-YEAR-OLD BLENDS INTO THE BACKGROUND BUT HIS COPPOLA NAME DID NOT. 249 00:32:54,105 --> 00:33:02,914 HIS UNCLE DIRECTED THE GODFATHER AND APOCALYPSE NOW, SICK OF BEING HAZED ABOUT IT ON SET, HE CHANGED HIS NAME INSPIRED BY A 250 00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:11,155 MARVEL SUPERHERO WITH UNBREAKABLE SKIN. >> WHEN PEOPLE THINK OF NICOLAS CAGE, I WANTED TO HAVE LIKE A 251 00:33:11,222 --> 00:33:17,328 PUNK ROCK ENERGY AT THAT TIME. I WANTED IT TO BE UNPREDICTABLE. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. 252 00:33:17,395 --> 00:33:25,636 I WANTED TO BE EXCITING AND A LITTLE SCARY. >> IT HAS BEEN. AFTER MORE THAN 100 MOVIES, 253 00:33:25,703 --> 00:33:29,507 NICOLAS CAGE IS ALMOST HIS OWN GENRE. HE TOLD US WHEN HE READ THE SCRIPT FOR "PEGGY SUE GOT 254 00:33:29,574 --> 00:33:38,216 MARRIED" HE WORRIED IT WAS GOING TO BE TOO MUCH LIKE THE PLAY "OUR TOWN" WHICH HE HATED. >> I GREW UP WATCHING GUMBY AND 255 00:33:38,282 --> 00:33:45,623 LISTENING TO POKEY, AND I THOUGHT, WELL THAT WOULD BE A GOOD VOICE FOR A CHARACTER. ESPECIALLY IN THIS MOVIE. 256 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:53,831 >> THANK YOU FOR SAVING ME. >> SO, I THOUGHT IF I DO THAT, THAT WILL BE BORING. THAT WILL BE LIKE, WHAT THE HELL 257 00:33:53,898 --> 00:33:55,967 IS HE DOING? >> THINGS JUST WORK OUT BETTER IN THE END. >> AND KATHLEEN TURNER SAID LIKE 258 00:33:56,033 --> 00:34:00,371 "WHAT THE HELL IS HE DOING?" >> I THINK I FRUSTRATED HER WITH THE PERFORMANCE BUT I ADORED HER. 259 00:34:00,438 --> 00:34:07,912 >> DID SHE EVER SAY LIKE KNOCK IT OFF? >> OH, YEAH. >> AND CAGE WOULD DRAW FROM ODD 260 00:34:07,979 --> 00:34:16,521 PLACES AGAIN IN THE COEN BROTHERS' "RAISING ARIZONA." HOW DID YOU ENVISION THAT ROLE? >> H.I. McDUNNOUGH WAS LIKE THAT 261 00:34:16,587 --> 00:34:25,563 THRUSH MUSCLER SYMBOL, THE WOODY WOODPECKER WITH THE CIGAR. I SAW HIM WITH THE RED HAIR STICKING UP, LIKE A LOONEY TUNES 262 00:34:25,630 --> 00:34:33,704 CHARACTER COME TO LIFE. >> I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT ONE SCENE IN THAT MOVIE, YOU'RE HAVING A MUGSHOT TAKEN, AND AS 263 00:34:33,771 --> 00:34:39,644 YOU TURN, YOU'RE WALKING AWAY AND YOU SLAP YOUR ASS. >> LET ME KNOW HOW THIS COME OUT. 264 00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:47,518 >> I HAD IT ALL THOUGHT OUT, GIDDYAP, YOU KNOW, LIKE GETTING HIMSELF UP OUT OF THE MUG SHOT. >> CAGE'S CATALOG OF INSPIRATION 265 00:34:47,585 --> 00:34:52,857 EXTENDED FROM THE CARTOONS TO THE HAUNTING GERMAN FILMS HE WATCHED AS A CHILD. >> YOU'VE BEEN INFLUENCED BY 266 00:34:52,924 --> 00:35:00,598 GERMAN EXPRESSIONISTS. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? >> WELL, WHAT IT IS SPECIFICALLY, MOVIES LIKE 267 00:35:00,665 --> 00:35:08,306 CABINET OF DR. CALIGARI, OR NOSFERATU OR METROPOLIS. THE MAD SCIENTIST SHOWS THE ROBOT HAND. 268 00:35:08,372 --> 00:35:18,683 AND GOES YOU KNOW, I LOST MY HAND. THAT'S EXACTLY A DIRECT STEAL. >> I LOST MY HAND. 269 00:35:18,749 --> 00:35:25,456 I LOST MY BRIDE. JOHNNY HAS HIS HAND, JOHNNY HAS HIS BRIDE. YOU WANT ME TO TAKE MY 270 00:35:25,523 --> 00:35:36,868 HEARTBREAK AND PUT IT AWAY AND FORGET? >> 35 YEARS ON, RONNY CAMMARERI, THE OPERATIC, ONE-HANDED BAKER 271 00:35:36,934 --> 00:35:48,980 IN THE ROMANTIC COMEDY "MOONSTRUCK" REMAINS ONE OF THE MOST MEMORABLE ROLES. BUT CAGE SAYS IT WAS A SMALL 272 00:35:49,046 --> 00:35:57,588 MOVIE CALLED "LEAVING LAS VEGAS" THAT WAS THE ANSWER TO HIS PRAYERS. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU 273 00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,858 FIRST READ THAT SCRIPT? >> THAT WAS THE FEELING I HAD WITH "EAST OF EDEN" AND JAMES DEAN. 274 00:36:00,925 --> 00:36:14,138 LIKE THIS IS THE KIND OF MOVIE I REALLY WANT TO MAKE. A HEARTBREAKING DRAMA ABOUT TWO WOUNDED PEOPLE WHO SOMEHOW HAVE 275 00:36:14,205 --> 00:36:21,612 THIS TRUE LOVE. >> HOW DID YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO PLAY THAT ROLE? >> WELL, I LOOKED AT A LOT OF 276 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:27,552 GREAT MOVIES. I LOOKED AT KRIS KRISTOFFERSON IN "A STAR IS BORN" BEFORE FROM HIM, I GOT THAT FEELING HE WAS 277 00:36:27,618 --> 00:36:33,991 ALWAYS SMILING. IN MY VIEW, THE ONLY THING SADDER THAN A PERSON WHO'S IN A SAD SITUATION AND KNOWS IT IS A 278 00:36:34,058 --> 00:36:39,730 PERSON WHO IS UNTIL A SAD SITUATION AND DOESN'T KNOW IT. >> YOU'RE LIKE SOME KIND OF ANTIDOTE THAT MIXES WITH LIQUOR. 279 00:36:39,797 --> 00:36:44,168 THAT WON'T LAST FOREVER. >> I WAS SAYING TO MYSELF, I'M NEVER GOING TO WIN THE ACADEMY AWARD SO LET'S JUST DO IT 280 00:36:44,235 --> 00:36:54,178 ANYWAY, BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO MAKE IT. >> AT THE OSCARS, YOU ANNOUNCED ON STAGE YOU LOVE THE IDEA OF 281 00:36:54,245 --> 00:36:58,616 BLURRING THE LINE BETWEEN ART AND COMMERCE BY MAKING THIS SMALL FILM. AND THEN YOU START DOING THESE 282 00:36:58,683 --> 00:37:06,057 BIG ACTION FILMS. >> YEAH, THAT WAS ABOUT STAYING UNPREDICTABLE AND TRYING SOMETHING NEW AGAIN. 283 00:37:06,123 --> 00:37:08,259 BUT AT THE TIME WHEN I DID IT I THINK IT PISSED A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF. YOU KNOW. 284 00:37:08,326 --> 00:37:13,531 IT WAS LIKE -- WELL, THAT'S YOU'RE AN ACTOR'S ACTOR. YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ADVENTURE FILMS. 285 00:37:13,598 --> 00:37:25,710 >> BUT HE DID, THE ROCK, WITH SEAN CONNERY, A PRISON BREAK MOVIE, CON AIR. >> PUT THE MONEY BACK IN THE 286 00:37:25,776 --> 00:37:32,483 BOX. >> THE NATIONAL TREASURE FRANCHISE, AND FACE-OFF, WHERE CAGE'S CHARACTER LITERALLY SWAPS 287 00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:37,855 FACES WITH JOHN TRAVOLTA. AN ABSURD IDEA THAT DELIVERED BIG BOX OFFICE RETURNS AND HELPED CATAPULT CAGE INTO THE 288 00:37:37,922 --> 00:37:45,062 CATEGORY OF HOLLYWOOD'S HIGHEST PAID ACTORS. >> WHERE'S YOUR HEAD AT WHEN THAT STARTS HAPPENING? 289 00:37:45,129 --> 00:37:52,103 >> OH, GREAT, NOW I CAN MAKE ANOTHER "LEAVING LAS VEGAS." LET'S KEEP DOING IT. LET'S KEEP CHALLENGING 290 00:37:52,169 --> 00:37:56,007 OURSELVES. >> BUT CAGE ENDED UP FACING A DIFFERENT KIND OF CHALLENGE. WE WANTED TO ASK HIM ABOUT 291 00:37:56,073 --> 00:38:05,016 REPORTS THAT HE BLEW THROUGH HIS FORTUNE, BUYING EXOTIC CARS, MANSIONS AROUND THE GLOBE, EVEN A DINOSAUR SKULL BUT HIS AFRICAN 292 00:38:05,082 --> 00:38:09,387 CROW HUGINN, OBJECTED TO THE LINE OF QUESTIONING. >> HI, HUGINN. >> RIGHT ON CUE. 293 00:38:09,453 --> 00:38:15,426 >> NICE TO HEAR YOU'RE TALKING AGAIN. I KNOW EVERYONE IN THE HOUSE KIND OF FREAKED YOU OUT. 294 00:38:15,493 --> 00:38:22,266 >> THE HOUSES RIGHT, CASTLES IN GERMANY, IN ENGLAND, AN ISLAND, A MANSION IN NEW ORLEANS. WHAT'S THAT ABOUT? 295 00:38:22,333 --> 00:38:27,905 >> I WAS OVER-INVESTED IN REAL ESTATE. IT WASN'T BECAUSE I SPENT $80 ON AN OCTOPUS. 296 00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:33,477 BUT THE REAL ESTATE MARKET CRASHED AND I COULDN'T GET OUT IN TIME. >> HOW MUCH MONEY DID YOU END UP 297 00:38:33,544 --> 00:38:42,186 OWING TO THE IRS? >> I PAID THEM ALL BACK. ABOUT $6 MILLION. I NEVER FILED FOR BANKRUPTCY. 298 00:38:42,253 --> 00:38:46,223 >> HE MOVED TO TAX-FREE LAS VEGAS AND DUG IN AND WORKED NONSTOP. MAKING THREE TO FOUR MOVIES A 299 00:38:46,290 --> 00:38:53,531 YEAR. >> THAT HAD TO BE A DARK PERIOD FOR YOU. >> IT WAS DARK, SURE. 300 00:38:53,597 --> 00:39:03,541 >> DID THE WORK HELP? >> NO DOUBT, WORK, WORK WAS ALWAYS MY GUARDIAN ANGLE. >> WHEN SOMEBODY SUGGEST DURING 301 00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:13,217 THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THEY SAY, THESE CRITICS SAY, HE'S HERE FOR A PAYCHECK AND PHONING IT IN. 302 00:39:13,284 --> 00:39:20,858 >> EVEN IF THE MOVIE ULTIMATELY IS CRUMBY, THEY KNOW I'M NOT PHONING IT IN. THAT I CARE EVERY TIME. 303 00:39:20,925 --> 00:39:28,399 BUT THERE ARE THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE THINKING THAT THE ONLY GOOD ACTING THAT I CAN DO IS THE ACTING THAT I CHOSE TO DO BY 304 00:39:28,466 --> 00:39:36,674 DESIGN WHICH IS MORE OPERATIC AND, YOU KNOW, LARGER THAN LIFE AND SO-CALLED CAGE RAGE AND ALL THAT. 305 00:39:36,741 --> 00:39:42,947 BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT EVERY TIME. >> BUT PART OF THE APPEAL IS THE CAGE RAGE, A MONIKER HIS FANS 306 00:39:43,013 --> 00:39:50,254 HAVE FOR HIS OUTSIDE, SOME SAY OVER-THE-TOP MOMENTS ON FILM. >> YOU GO FOR IT I'VE HEARD YOU DESCRIBE IT AS GOING FOR THE 307 00:39:50,321 --> 00:40:00,664 TRIPLE AXEL EVERY TIME. SOMETIMES, YOU LAND IT AND SOMETIMES YOU DON'T. >> WELL, NOT EVERY TIME. 308 00:40:00,731 --> 00:40:06,871 BUT THERE ARE THINGS I DO WANT TO GO FOR SOMETIMES THAT I HAVE A VISION FOR, AND I DO. >> LIKE THE 2021 PERFORMANCE AS 309 00:40:06,937 --> 00:40:16,180 A HEARTBROKEN CHEF IN THE MOVIE "PIG." >> NONE OF IT IS REAL. THE CRITICS AREN'T REAL. 310 00:40:16,247 --> 00:40:32,363 THE CUSTOMERS AREN'T REAL BECAUSE THIS ISN'T REAL. >> WHEN I PLAYED ROB IN "PIG," I FELT I ENTERED THE ROOM. 311 00:40:32,429 --> 00:40:46,744 I FELT THAT I WAS CLOSER TO ME THAN MAYBE I'VE EVER BEEN BEFORE IN FILM PERFORMANCE. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN, CLOSER TO 312 00:40:46,811 --> 00:40:51,549 YOU? >> THAT I WASN'T ACTING. I FELT THAT I WAS DOING EXACTLY WHAT I CARE ABOUT. 313 00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:58,856 I THINK IT'S PROBABLY MY BEST MOVIE AND I THINK THAT I'LL PUT THAT UP AGAINST "LEAVING LAS VEGAS" OR ANYTHING ELSE. 314 00:40:58,923 --> 00:41:04,829 >> THAT WOULD INCLUDE HIS TURN AS DRACULA IN HIS LATEST MOVIE "RENFIELD." CAGE MET US AT A FAVORITE 315 00:41:04,895 --> 00:41:13,838 HANGOUT ON THE STRIP TO TALK ABOUT THE COUNT. >> WE HAVE MUSH TO DISCUSS. >> DRACULA IS DAUNTING BECAUSE 316 00:41:13,904 --> 00:41:24,982 IT'S A LEGACY. DRACULA IS A CHARACTER THAT HAS BEEN DONE WELL MANY TIMES. HE'S ALSO A CHARACTER THAT HAS 317 00:41:25,049 --> 00:41:33,224 BEEN DONE POORLY MANY TIMES. BUT FOR ME, I THINK CHRISTOPHER LEE, HE WAS MY DRACULA. HE MADE DRACULA SCARY. 318 00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:39,630 YOU KNOW, WE HAD A HAPPY MARRIAGE IN TERMS I COULD BRING WHERE I WANTED TO GO, LIKE, INTO THE CAMERA WITH THE TEETH ALMOST 319 00:41:39,697 --> 00:41:50,407 LIKE THE SHARK IN "JAWS." >> YOU SEEM LIKE A GUY WHOSE ALL IN ALL THE TIME. YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING HALFWAY. 320 00:41:50,474 --> 00:41:55,379 >> VERY INSIGHTFUL, SHARYN. VERY, VERY INSIGHTFUL. >> LET'S EAT! 321 00:42:03,387 --> 00:42:11,228 >>> NOW, "LAST MINUTE" OF "60 MINUTES." >>> ON TUESDAY, FOX NEWS SETTLED A DEFAMATION LAWSUIT BROUGHT BY 322 00:42:11,295 --> 00:42:21,138 DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS. FOX AGREED TO PAY MORE THAN $787 MILLION FOR UNTRUTHS IT REPEATEDLY BROADCAST ABOUT THE 323 00:42:21,205 --> 00:42:30,581 COMPANY AFTER THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. IN OCTOBER, DOMINION'S PRESIDENT JOHN PULIS TOLD OUR ANDERSON 324 00:42:30,648 --> 00:42:36,854 COOPER HIS COMPANY OFFERED FOX EVIDENCE THAT ALLEGATIONS OF VOTE RIGGING AGAINST THE COMPANY WERE LIES. 325 00:42:36,921 --> 00:42:44,228 >> GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TOLD THEM, PARTISAN GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TOLD THEM, PEOPLE INSIDE THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION 326 00:42:44,295 --> 00:42:47,932 TOLD THEM, LOCAL ELECTION OFFICIALS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE TOLD THEM. THIS IS NOT A MATTER OF NOT 327 00:42:47,998 --> 00:42:59,810 KNOWING THE TRUTH. THEY KNEW THE TRUTH. >> FOX STILL FACES A SIMILAR SUIT FROM SMARTMATIC, ANOTHER 328 00:42:59,877 --> 00:43:02,179 VOTE TECHNOLOGY COMPANY. I'M BILL WHITAKER, WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION