1 00:00:11,044 --> 00:00:19,953 >>> 17 YEARS AGO, THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT LAUNCHED A $100 MILLION PROJECT TO REVOLUTIONIZE PROSTHETIC LIMBS. 2 00:00:20,019 --> 00:00:29,529 THE ROBOTICS THAT INVESTMENT INSPIRED IS AMAZING. BUT EVEN MORE REMARKABLE IS HOW THE FEELING OF FEELING -- 3 00:00:29,596 --> 00:00:34,567 >> SO IF I HOLD THIS RIGHT HERE -- >> IS RETURNING TO PEOPLE'S LIVES. 4 00:00:34,634 --> 00:00:45,211 >> I FEEL IT HERE AND HERE. >>> YOU CALLED IT PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE. IT FELT LIKE CORPORATE TERRORISM 5 00:00:45,278 --> 00:00:51,818 BECAUSE WE WERE TERRORIZED. AND IT WAS VERY CALCULATED. IT WAS VERY VICIOUS. >> WHY WOULD SENIOR MANAGEMENT 6 00:00:51,885 --> 00:01:00,326 AT eBAY, THE POPULAR SILICON VALLEY E-COMMERCE GIANT, WANT TO, QUOTE, TERRORIZE A COUPLE FROM A TINY TOWN IN 7 00:01:00,393 --> 00:01:08,735 MASSACHUSETTS WHO RAN A WEBSITE OUT OF THEIR HOME? THAT'S OUR STORY TONIGHT. >>> CHARLES BARKLEY IS AN NBA 8 00:01:08,802 --> 00:01:14,174 HALL OF FAMER WHO, IN RETIREMENT -- >> YEAH, THEY THINK THAT BECAUSE THEY SUCK. 9 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:22,682 >> ENDED UP REBOUNDING INTO HIS JOB THAT HAS MADE HIM ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL AND COLORFUL SPORTS ANALYSTS EVER, YES, EVER. 10 00:01:22,749 --> 00:01:30,190 WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE PEOPLE WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU? >> I THINK THEY KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, I'M GOING TO 11 00:01:30,256 --> 00:01:36,796 BE FAIR. I DON'T HAVE A HIDDEN AGENDA. NOT MANY PEOPLE ON TV THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT. 12 00:01:36,863 --> 00:01:42,902 >>> I'M LESLEY STAHL. >> I'M BILL WHITAKER. >> I'M ANDERSON COOPER. >> I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. 13 00:01:42,969 --> 00:01:55,915 >> I'M JON WERTHEIM. >> I'M SCOTT PELLEY. THOSE STORIES AND MORE TONIGHT ON "60 MINUTES." 14 00:01:55,982 --> 00:02:04,557 >>> WE DON'T OFTEN THINK ABOUT HOW THE SENSE OF TOUCH MAKES OUR LIVES POSSIBLE. WE GRIP A PAPER COFFEE CUP WITH 15 00:02:04,624 --> 00:02:12,065 PERFECT FORCE TO HOLD IT BUT NOT CRUSH IT. OUR FEET ALWAYS FIND THE FLOOR. BUT FOR PEOPLE WITH ARTIFICIAL 16 00:02:12,131 --> 00:02:22,842 LIMBS, OR THOSE WITH SPINAL INJURIES, THE LOSS OF TOUCH CAN PUT THE WORLD BEYOND THEIR GRASP. 17 00:02:22,909 --> 00:02:27,680 17 YEARS AGO, THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT LAUNCHED A $100 MILLION PROJECT TO REVOLUTIONIZE PROSTHETIC LIMBS. 18 00:02:27,747 --> 00:02:36,856 THE ROBOTICS YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE IS AMAZING. BUT EVEN MORE REMARKABLE IS HOW THE FEELING OF FEELING IS 19 00:02:36,923 --> 00:02:48,668 RETURNING TO PEOPLE LIKE BRANDON PRESTWOOD. >> FOR ME, IT WAS IT'S A BATTLE IF I WANTED TO LIVE OR DIE. 20 00:02:48,735 --> 00:02:54,574 >> YOU WEREN'T SURE YOU WANTED TO LIVE? >> NO. I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WANTED TO OR 21 00:02:54,641 --> 00:03:04,817 NOT. >> BRANDON PRESTWOOD'S BATTLE BEGAN WITH THE LOSS OF HIS LEFT HAND. 22 00:03:04,884 --> 00:03:13,960 IN 2012, HE WAS ON A MAINTENANCE CREW REASSEMBLING AN INDUSTRIAL CONVEYOR BELT WHEN SOMEONE TURNED IT ON. 23 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:20,433 >> MY ARM WAS DRAGGED IN PRETTY MUCH UP TO THE SHOULDER. IT CRUSHED MY BONES IN MY ARM AND FED MY ARM THROUGH A GAP OF 24 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:26,372 ABOUT ONE INCH. >> HOW DID THEY SAVE YOUR LIFE? >> THE OTHER MAINTENANCE GUYS JUMPED IN. 25 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:32,278 THEY STARTED BASICALLY TAKING THE MACHINE BACK APART. ONCE WE GOT IT BACK APART, I COULD LOOK IN AND SEE WHAT WAS 26 00:03:32,345 --> 00:03:45,725 THERE. AND ONE OF THE GENTLEMEN WAS A VIETNAM VETERAN. >> AND THE VIETNAM VETERAN KNEW 27 00:03:45,792 --> 00:03:52,165 WHAT TO DO. >> YEAH. >> THE VIETNAM VETERAN KNEW TOURNIQUETS. 28 00:03:52,231 --> 00:03:59,706 BUT PRESTWOOD LOST HIS HAND AND COULDN'T RETURN TO HIS JOB. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD. >> AFTER FOUR YEARS WITH A HOOK, 29 00:03:59,772 --> 00:04:08,948 HE TOLD HIS WIFE, AMY, HE WANTED TO VOLUNTEER FOR EXPERIMENTAL RESEARCH INVOLVING SURGERY AT THE V.A. 30 00:04:09,015 --> 00:04:15,421 >> I WAS NOT 100% ON BOARD TO START WITH. BUT I KNEW HE HAD HIS MIND SET THAT HE WAS -- HE HAD TO DO 31 00:04:15,488 --> 00:04:24,030 THIS. AND I COULDN'T HOLD HIM BACK. >> SIX YEARS LATER, THANKS TO DEFENSE DEPARTMENT AND V.A. 32 00:04:24,097 --> 00:04:32,138 PROJECTS, PRESTWOOD CONTROLS THIS HAND WITH NOTHING BUT HIS THOUGHTS. >> EVERYTHING STILL FEEL GOOD? 33 00:04:32,205 --> 00:04:38,011 >> PROBABLY, WHEN I GET HER TURNED AROUND HERE. >> ELECTRODES, IMPLANTED IN MUSCLES IN HIS ARM, PICK UP HIS 34 00:04:38,077 --> 00:04:47,020 BRAIN'S ELECTRICAL SIGNALS FOR MOVEMENT. A COMPUTER TRANSLATES THOSE SIGNALS TO THE HAND. 35 00:04:47,086 --> 00:04:53,726 >> HOW ABOUT THE MIDDLE FINGER NOW? SENSORS IN THE PLASTIC FINGERS ARE CONNECTED TO NERVES IN HIS 36 00:04:53,793 --> 00:05:02,435 ARM TO RETURN A BASIC SENSE OF TOUCH, WHICH HE CAN DEMONSTRATE WITH HIS EYES CLOSED. >> PINKY, INDEX. 37 00:05:02,502 --> 00:05:09,442 >> THAT'S NOT BAD. >> MIDDLE. >> IT STILL REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT BUT IT'S NOT BAD. 38 00:05:09,509 --> 00:05:19,585 >> BIOMEDICAL ENGINEER DUSTIN TYLER LEADS THIS RESEARCH AT CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY AND THE CLEVELAND V.A. 39 00:05:19,652 --> 00:05:25,124 >> TOUCH IS ABOUT CONNECTION. IT'S CONNECTION TO THE WORLD, CONNECTIONS TO OTHERS, AND IT'S CONNECTION TO YOURSELF. 40 00:05:25,191 --> 00:05:35,168 I MEAN, WE NEVER EXPERIENCED NOT HAVING TOUCH. IT'S THE LARGEST SENSORY ORGAN ON OUR BODY. 41 00:05:35,234 --> 00:05:41,074 >> TYLER FIRST ATTEMPTED AN ARTIFICIAL CONNECTION IN 2012. HE SWITCHED IT ON IN A VOLUNTEER AND WONDERED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. 42 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:46,446 >> SO I WAS CONCERNED, WOULD IT BE HIS WHOLE HAND? WOULD IT BE PAINFUL? WOULD IT NOT FEEL ANYTHING? 43 00:05:46,512 --> 00:05:52,385 WE HAD NO IDEA. SO, ONE OF THOSE BIG MOMENTS IN MY CAREER WAS HE CAME IN, WE FIRST TURNED ON THE STIMULUS, 44 00:05:52,452 --> 00:05:57,757 AND HE KINDA STOPPED FOR A SECOND, AND HE GOES, "THAT'S MY THUMB, THAT'S THE TIP OF MY THUMB." 45 00:05:57,824 --> 00:06:03,730 >> THIS HAPPENED RIGHT AWAY? >> FIRST TIME. >> IT DIDN'T REQUIRE ANY TRAINING OF THE BRAIN. 46 00:06:03,796 --> 00:06:10,203 >> NO. THAT WAS THE BEAUTY OF IT, "MY THUMB." >> BRANDON PRESTWOOD REMEMBERS 47 00:06:10,269 --> 00:06:15,575 THE INSTANT IT HAPPENED TO HIM. >> "THAT'S MY FINGERS." I AM FEELING MY FINGERS THAT I DON'T HAVE ANYMORE. 48 00:06:15,641 --> 00:06:23,649 I'M FEELING THEM. >> A DEFINITE FEELING, HE TOLD US, BUT DIFFERENT. >> IT DOESN'T FEEL EXACTLY LIKE 49 00:06:23,716 --> 00:06:32,792 MY RIGHT HAND. IT'S A TINGLING SENSATION. IT'S NOT PAINFUL. IT'S KIND OF LIKE, IF YOUR 50 00:06:32,859 --> 00:06:37,663 HAND'S BEEN ASLEEP, RIGHT AT THE END, RIGHT BEFORE IT WAKES UP, THAT VERY, FOR ME, IT'S PLEASANT, IT'S A PLEASANT 51 00:06:37,730 --> 00:06:43,569 TINGLING. >> LET'S SEE IF YOU CAN DO IT ON A CHERRY HERE. >> A TINGLING THAT'S LIGHT WITH 52 00:06:43,636 --> 00:06:51,077 A LIGHT TOUCH BUT GROWS STRONGER THE HARDER HE PRESSES. EYES CLOSED, HE CAN PINCH A CHERRY FIRMLY ENOUGH TO PULL IT 53 00:06:51,144 --> 00:06:59,685 FROM ITS STEM BUT NOT CRUSH IT. >> YOU CAN FEEL THIS, IT'S LIGHT. >> I HAD TO USE MY LIGHTEST 54 00:06:59,752 --> 00:07:05,691 TOUCH WITH AN EMPTY EGG SHELL. >> SO IF I HOLD THIS RIGHT HERE -- >> I CAN FEEL THAT. 55 00:07:05,758 --> 00:07:11,631 I CAN FEEL IT HERE AND HERE. >> IT'S A FEELING MORE THAN A DECADE IN THE MAKING. >> AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS 56 00:07:11,697 --> 00:07:16,469 RESEARCH, HOW DID YOU EVEN IMAGINE THAT THIS WOULD BE POSSIBLE? >> I DIDN'T IMAGINE. 57 00:07:16,536 --> 00:07:23,976 I IMAGINED IT WAS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE. >> SLIMAN BENSMAIA, AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO, IS AMONG 58 00:07:24,043 --> 00:07:30,950 THE WORLD'S LEADING EXPERTS ON THE NEUROSCIENCE OF TOUCH. IN 2008, HE JOINED THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT'S PROJECT TO 59 00:07:31,017 --> 00:07:40,126 REVOLUTIONIZE PROSTHETICS, BUT HE DIDN'T THINK THE PENTAGON KNEW WHAT IT WAS UP AGAINST. >> THERE ARE 100 BILLION NEURONS 60 00:07:40,193 --> 00:07:47,633 IN THE BRAIN INTERCONNECTED WITH 100 TRILLION SYNAPSES. I MEAN, THE HUMAN BRAIN, IT'S LIKE THE MOST COMPLEX SYSTEM IN 61 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:56,275 THE KNOWN UNIVERSE. >> TOO COMPLEX, HE BELIEVED, TO TARGET ELECTRICAL STIMULATION TO EXACTLY THE RIGHT NEURONS. 62 00:07:56,342 --> 00:08:04,383 >> AND WHEN WE ELECTRICALLY STIMULATE, WE ACTIVATE HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME, IN WAYS THAT WOULD NEVER 63 00:08:04,450 --> 00:08:12,425 HAPPEN NATURALLY. IT JUST SEEMED LIKE THAT VERY IMPOVERISHED INTERFACE WITH THIS NERVOUS SYSTEM WOULD NEVER DO 64 00:08:12,491 --> 00:08:17,296 ANY -- BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL. AND IT TURNS OUT I WAS WRONG. >> HE WAS PROVED WRONG BY HIS 65 00:08:17,363 --> 00:08:23,202 OWN RESEARCH... >> HOW YA DOIN', SCOTT? NICE TO MEET YOU. >> NICE TO MEET YOU, SCOTT. 66 00:08:23,269 --> 00:08:28,608 >> ...WITH VOLUNTEERS INCLUDING SCOTT IMBRIE. >> AND YOU CAN FEEL THAT? >> I FEEL IT ON MY FINGERTIPS. 67 00:08:28,674 --> 00:08:37,750 >> ...WHOSE MOVEMENT AND SENSE OF TOUCH ARE LIMITED BY A SPINAL INJURY FROM A CAR ACCIDENT. COMPUTER PORTS IN IMBRIE'S SKULL 68 00:08:37,817 --> 00:08:45,324 ARE WIRED TO THE MOTOR AND SENSORY PARTS OF HIS BRAIN. ELECTRODES PICK UP THE BRAIN'S ELECTRICAL SIGNALS THAT WERE 69 00:08:45,391 --> 00:08:57,136 INTENDED FOR THE MUSCLES. A COMPUTER TRANSLATES THOSE SIGNALS TO THE ROBOT ARM. WE FIRST SAW THIS BRAIN/MACHINE 70 00:08:57,203 --> 00:09:02,575 INTERFACE TEN YEARS AGO AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH. BUT, BACK THEN, THERE WAS NO SENSATION. 71 00:09:02,642 --> 00:09:11,684 >> INDEX FINGER... >> IN COLLABORATION WITH PITT, NEUROSCIENTIST SLIMAN BENSMAIA SHOWED THAT SIGNALS FOR TOUCH 72 00:09:11,751 --> 00:09:23,529 COULD BE RETURNED TO THE BRAIN. >> HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT PART OF THE BRAIN IS THE TIP OF THE INDEX FINGER? 73 00:09:23,596 --> 00:09:30,536 >> WE TOOK SCOTT AND WE PUT HIM IN A FUNCTIONAL MAGNETIC RESONANCE IMAGING SCANNER. AND THEN WE HAD HIM IMAGINE 74 00:09:30,603 --> 00:09:40,780 MOVING HIS THUMB, IMAGINE MOVING HIS INDEX, IMAGINE MOVING HIS DIGITS AS WE MONITORED HIS BRAIN ACTIVITY. 75 00:09:40,846 --> 00:09:49,388 AND LO AND BEHOLD, THE SENSORY AND MOTOR PARTS OF THE BRAIN THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE HAND LIT UP. 76 00:09:49,455 --> 00:09:59,065 >> MIDDLE...RING...INDEX... >> THERE ARE CHALLENGES. EVENTUALLY THE BRAIN BUILDS SCAR TISSUE AT THE IMPLANTS LIMITING 77 00:09:59,131 --> 00:10:08,741 THE MOTOR ELECTRODES. BUT ONE PATIENT'S IMPLANTS HAVE LASTED SEVEN YEARS AND COUNTING. SCOTT IMBRIE'S HAVE BEEN WORKING 78 00:10:08,808 --> 00:10:20,619 MORE THAN TWO YEARS. >> YOU HAVE BEEN A SUBJECT OF THIS WORK FOR YEARS NOW. AND I WONDER WHY. 79 00:10:20,686 --> 00:10:26,525 >> I WANTED TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME INDEPENDENT AGAIN. >> THE MOST MEANINGFUL WORK OF 80 00:10:26,592 --> 00:10:33,532 YOUR LIFE? >> YES, SIR. 100%. >> THE GREATEST INDEPENDENCE 81 00:10:33,599 --> 00:10:42,675 MIGHT BE NO PROSTHETIC AT ALL. AND WE SAW THIS ASTOUNDING POSSIBILITY WITH A PIONEER, AUSTIN BEGGIN. 82 00:10:42,742 --> 00:10:50,182 HIS BRAIN IMPULSES ARE ROUTED, NOT TO A ROBOT, BUT TO IMPLANTS IN HIS OWN ARM THAT FIRE HIS MUSCLES. 83 00:10:50,249 --> 00:10:56,655 >> WHAT FUNCTION DID YOU HAVE IN THIS HAND BEFORE THE IMPLANTS? >> OH, ABSOLUTELY NONE. >> NOTHING? 84 00:10:56,722 --> 00:11:03,162 YOU COULDN'T MOVE IT AT ALL? >> NO. SO, THE ONLY THING I CAN DO REALLY IS SHRUG MY SHOULDERS AND 85 00:11:03,229 --> 00:11:11,270 KINDA SHIFT THEM. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS ALL THAT CAME BACK AFTER MY ACCIDENT. >> HIS ACCIDENT WAS ON A 86 00:11:11,337 --> 00:11:22,581 VACATION CELEBRATING HIS COLLEGE GRADUATION. DIVING INTO A SUBMERGED SANDBAR LEFT HIM QUADRIPLEGIC. 87 00:11:22,648 --> 00:11:29,555 NOW, MOTOR AND SENSORY IMPULSES FLOW THROUGH THE PORTS IN BEGGIN'S SKULL AND A COMPUTER, BYPASSING HIS DAMAGED SPINE. 88 00:11:29,622 --> 00:11:39,198 >> RELAX...CLOSE. >> THE RESEARCH IS LED BY BOLU AJIBOYE, A BIOMEDICAL ENGINEER AT CASE WESTERN RESERVE 89 00:11:39,265 --> 00:11:45,137 UNIVERSITY. >> OUR GOAL IS TO RESTORE COMPLETE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE UPPER ARM INCLUDING DEXTEROUS 90 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:51,610 HAND FUNCTION AND THE ABILITY TO REACH OUT SO THAT AUSTIN AND OTHERS WHO'VE SUFFERED, YOU KNOW, SEVERE SPINAL CORD INJURY 91 00:11:51,677 --> 00:12:00,186 CAN REGAIN SOME LEVEL OF FUNCTIONAL INDEPENDENCE. >> THE CRADLE UNDER HIS ARM ONLY SUPPORTS THE WEIGHT - ALL OF THE 92 00:12:00,252 --> 00:12:06,125 MOTION IS HIS OWN. IT TAKES EFFORT. H HAS TO CONCENTRATE. >> LITTLE BIT QUICKER. 93 00:12:06,192 --> 00:12:15,835 OPEN HAND, RELAX HAND. CLOSE HAND, RELAX HAND. OPEN HAND, RELAX HAND. >> AND THE COMPUTER NEEDS 94 00:12:15,901 --> 00:12:23,409 FREQUENT ADJUSTMENT. >> HOW'D THAT FEEL? >> GOOD. BUT HIS PARENTS SHELLY AND BRAD 95 00:12:23,476 --> 00:12:28,280 SHOWED US WHERE THIS COULD LEAD. >> CARROT? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A NICE GRANOLA BAR? 96 00:12:28,347 --> 00:12:40,626 >> I'LL TAKE THE GRANOLA BAR. >> YEAH, I FIGURED. >> BEGGIN RETAINED LIMITED FEELING AFTER HIS INJURY WHICH 97 00:12:40,693 --> 00:12:50,836 MAKES HIM IDEAL FOR EVALUATING THE ARTIFICIAL SENSE OF TOUCH. HIS MOTOR SKILLS CONTINUE TO GROW. 98 00:12:50,903 --> 00:12:55,674 >> SO IF I CAN EXTEND FIRST. LET ME OPEN MY HAND FOR YA AND SQUEEZE AROUND IT. YOU'LL FEEL ME REALLY START TO 99 00:12:55,741 --> 00:13:00,579 DIG IN RIGHT THERE. >> YOU GOT A GRIP. >> YEAH. [ LAUGHTER ] 100 00:13:00,646 --> 00:13:04,917 IT REALLY IS. AND LET GO AND I'LL BRING THE ARM BACK UP. >> CONGRATULATIONS. 101 00:13:04,984 --> 00:13:10,823 >> YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU -- >> AMAZING. 102 00:13:10,890 --> 00:13:16,195 >> -- SO MUCH. >> AMAZING ADVANCES ARE COMING QUICKLY. DANNY WERNER LOST HIS FOOT IN 103 00:13:16,262 --> 00:13:23,169 VIETNAM. BUT 47 YEARS LATER, HE WAS RECONNECTED TO TOUCH IN AN ARTIFICIAL FOOT, WHICH HELPS HIM 104 00:13:23,235 --> 00:13:30,709 BALANCE, CLIMB STAIRS AND WALK ON UNEVEN GROUND. BRANDON PRESTWOOD'S NEXT DEVICE WILL REPLACE SOME WIRING WITH 105 00:13:30,776 --> 00:13:40,119 BLUETOOTH CONNECTIONS. >> ESPECIALLY THE THUMB, THE THUMB'S SPOT ON. THE COST OF HIS EXPERIMENTAL RIG 106 00:13:40,186 --> 00:13:47,660 AND SURGERY IS ESTIMATED AT ROUGHLY $200,000. BUT AN EVENTUAL COMMERCIAL SYSTEM MAY COST SIGNIFICANTLY 107 00:13:47,726 --> 00:13:58,938 LESS WHILE DELIVERING MOMENTS THAT ARE PRICELESS. >> WHAT DID THAT MEAN TO YOU TO FEEL AMY'S HAND IN YOURS? 108 00:13:59,004 --> 00:14:08,180 >> THE WORLD. I WAS A WHOLE PERSON AGAIN. I DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THOSE DARK THOUGHTS CREEPING 109 00:14:08,247 --> 00:14:19,959 BACK IN. >> IT'S JUST GIVEN ME BACK MY HUSBAND WHO MEANS THE WORLD TO ME. 110 00:14:20,025 --> 00:14:25,898 HE'S HIMSELF AGAIN. >> 'HIMSELF' BECAUSE THE FEELING OF FEELING IS SO MUCH OF WHAT MAKES US HUMAN. 111 00:14:25,965 --> 00:14:35,174 MAYBE THAT'S WHY WHEN WE SEE A TENDER MOMENT, IT IS SAID TO BE "TOUCHING." >> I LOVE YOU. 112 00:14:44,850 --> 00:14:51,724 >>> THE ONLINE AUCTION SITE eBAY LAUNCHED THE E-COMMERCE REVOLUTION WHEN IT WAS FOUNDED MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO. 113 00:14:51,790 --> 00:14:58,697 OVER THE DECADES, IT'S DRAWN IN 134 MILLION USERS FROM MOM-AND-POP COLLECTORS ON THE HUNT FOR BARGAINS TO SMALL 114 00:14:58,764 --> 00:15:06,338 BUSINESS OWNERS. IN 2022, USERS SOLD ALMOST $74 BILLION WORTH OF GOODS THROUGH eBAY. 115 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:14,380 BUT LAST MONTH, BURIED IN AN OTHERWISE DULL ANNUAL FINANCIAL DISCLOSURE - A NOTE ON PAGE 105 HINTED AT A SCANDAL INSIDE THE 116 00:15:14,446 --> 00:15:22,488 SILICON VALLEY GIANT. IT REFERS TO AN INQUIRY FROM THE U.S. ATTORNEY ABOUT THE STALKING AND HARASSMENT OF THE EDITOR AND 117 00:15:22,554 --> 00:15:28,927 PUBLISHER OF AN ONLINE NEWSLETTER AT THE HANDS OF eBAY EMPLOYEES. TONIGHT, WE WILL INTRODUCE YOU 118 00:15:28,994 --> 00:15:35,934 TO THE COUPLE THAT WAS THE TARGET OF THAT STALKING. THEY LOVED eBAY SO MUCH, THEY STARTED A PUBLICATION TO HELP 119 00:15:36,001 --> 00:15:44,510 PEOPLE WHO SELL STUFF ON THE AUCTION SITE, AND THEN FOUND THEMSELVES THE FOCUS OF A TERROR CAMPAIGN. 120 00:15:44,576 --> 00:15:50,949 WE MET INA AND DAVID STEINER IN NATICK, MASSACHUSETTS. A QUAINT BOSTON SUBURB WHERE THE COUPLE HAD ENJOYED A QUIET LIFE 121 00:15:51,016 --> 00:15:57,956 UNTIL THE SUMMER OF 2019. >> YOU CALLED IT PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE. >> IT -- IT -- IT FELT LIKE 122 00:15:58,023 --> 00:16:06,098 CORPORATE TERRORISM BECAUSE WE WERE TERRORIZED. AND IT WAS VERY CALCULATED. IT WAS VERY VICIOUS. 123 00:16:06,165 --> 00:16:14,173 >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ALSO LEARNED WAS WHAT SADISTIC PLEASURE THESE PEOPLE TOOK IN TERRORIZING US. 124 00:16:14,239 --> 00:16:22,781 >> THE STEINERS HAVE BEEN MARRIED FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS AND WORKED TOGETHER, FROM THEIR HOME FOR MORE THAN 20. 125 00:16:22,848 --> 00:16:28,721 THEY PUBLISH A NEWS WEBSITE CALLED E-COMMERCEBYTES. DAVID HANDLES THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS, AND INA DOES THE 126 00:16:28,787 --> 00:16:35,127 REPORTING. >> WHAT DO YOU COVER? WHO'S THE AUDIENCE? >> WE COVER INDUSTRY NEWS. 127 00:16:35,194 --> 00:16:40,532 SO WHAT I DO IS I -- I FOLLOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW IT IMPACTS SELLERS. >> PEOPLE WOULD WRITE TO US. 128 00:16:40,599 --> 00:16:46,972 AND THEY WOULD SAY, "HEY, I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH AMAZON," OR "I'M HAVING A PROBLEM WITH eBAY." 129 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:51,276 >> AND WE SAID, "WELL, LET'S PUT UP A SECTION WHERE WE CAN JUST BE A CONDUIT." THAT'S ALL WE EVER WANTED TO BE, 130 00:16:51,343 --> 00:16:56,115 A CONDUIT FOR SELLERS TO TELL THEIR PROBLEMS, TELL THEIR ISSUES - SHARE INFORMATION. >> AND GIVE THEM A VOICE. 131 00:16:56,181 --> 00:17:03,188 >> AND GIVE THEM A VOICE. >> MOST OF THEIR 600,000 READERS ARE SELLERS ON eBAY, AMAZON, AND ETSY. 132 00:17:03,255 --> 00:17:09,628 BUT THE STEINERS SAY E-COMMERCE EXECUTIVES ALSO READ INA'S ARTICLES CLOSELY. >> INDUSTRY OBSERVERS WOULD 133 00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:15,033 CONTACT US WITH QUESTIONS, AS THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS GOING ON. AND WALL STREET WAS VERY 134 00:17:15,100 --> 00:17:20,372 INTERESTED, BECAUSE THESE WERE PUBLIC COMPANIES. AND THEY NEEDED TO KNOW. >> TELL ME WHAT HAPPENED WHEN 135 00:17:20,439 --> 00:17:28,447 YOU OPENED YOUR EMAIL ON THE MORNING OF AUGUST 8th. >> WELL, WE WERE GETTING BOMBARDED WITH -- WITH SIGN-UPS 136 00:17:28,514 --> 00:17:35,421 TO CRAZY NEWSLETTERS. >> NEWSLETTERS THE STEINERS NEVER SIGNED UP FOR...SIN CITY FETISH NIGHT, THE SATANIC 137 00:17:35,487 --> 00:17:41,894 TEMPLE, THE COMMUNIST PARTY, AND DOZENS OF OTHERS. >> THEN SOMEBODY STARTED HARASSING US ON TWITTER, THROUGH 138 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,800 DIRECT MESSAGES. >> WHAT WERE YOU SEEING ON TWITTER? >> THREATS. 139 00:17:47,866 --> 00:17:53,172 >> IT -- IT WAS BASICALLY, "SHUT UP, OR ELSE." AND IT WAS -- IT WAS AS BLATANT AS THAT. 140 00:17:53,238 --> 00:17:59,077 >> BUT MUCH MORE THREATENING THAN THAT AND SO VULGAR WE CAN'T SHOW YOU MANY OF THE MESSAGES. THREE DAYS LATER, THE STEINERS 141 00:17:59,144 --> 00:18:05,584 GOT A STRANGE CALL. >> SOMEBODY LEFT A VOICEMAIL FOR US SAYING THEY COULDN'T FULFILL THE ORDER FOR A WET SPECIMEN. 142 00:18:05,651 --> 00:18:12,591 AND DAVID WAS THE ONE WHO CALLED. AND HE SAID, "WHAT IS A WET SPECIMEN?" 143 00:18:12,658 --> 00:18:18,530 AND -- AND IT WAS A PIG FETUS. THAT'S WHEN I REALLY -- MY HEART SANK, BECAUSE I THOUGHT, WHO MIGHT BE ANGRY AT SOMETHING I 144 00:18:18,597 --> 00:18:23,869 WROTE? AND I COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT. I MEAN, WE WERE -- WE WERE DESPERATELY TRYING TO THINK, WHO 145 00:18:23,936 --> 00:18:30,876 COULD IT BE? >> IS THAT WHEN YOU CALLED THE POLICE? >> EVERY STEP ALONG THE WAY. 146 00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:36,815 >> BUT THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME. >> WE -- WE -- WE WOULD REPORT IT. AND WHEN THE POLICE DROVE UP TO 147 00:18:36,882 --> 00:18:42,187 THE FRONT DOOR, WE HAD TO PUT ON, YOU KNOW, A RATIONAL FACE. WE COULDN'T SHOW HOW TERRIFIED WE WERE. 148 00:18:42,254 --> 00:18:48,660 >> AFTER THE POLICE OFFICER TOOK THE REPORT, HE STEPPED OUTSIDE AND SAID, "THERE'S A PACKAGE HERE." 149 00:18:48,727 --> 00:18:55,634 SO, HE WAITED. AND WHEN I OPENED UP THE PACKAGE, IT LOOKED LIKE -- IT LOOKED LIKE FLESH AND HAIR. 150 00:18:55,701 --> 00:19:01,507 AND I KIND OF YELLED, OR SHRIEKED. >> IT WAS A PIG MASK FROM THE HORROR MOVIE "SAW." 151 00:19:01,573 --> 00:19:07,546 THE PLOT INVOLVES A PSYCHOPATH WHO TORTURES HIS VICTIMS, THE LAST THING THEY SEE IS THE MASK. >> I IMAGINE AS THIS IS 152 00:19:07,613 --> 00:19:12,885 HAPPENING, YOU'RE NOT ONLY THINKING, WHO IS THIS PERSON, BUT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO NEXT? 153 00:19:12,951 --> 00:19:19,358 >> OH, THAT WAS THE -- THAT WAS THE QUESTION. WHAT WERE THEY GOING TO DO NEXT? >> OVER THE NEXT WEEK SOMEONE 154 00:19:19,424 --> 00:19:24,196 SENT BOXES OF LIVE COCKROACHES AND SPIDERS TO THE STEINERS. PORNOGRAPHY WAS SENT TO THEIR NEIGHBORS BUT ADDRESSED TO 155 00:19:24,263 --> 00:19:30,702 DAVID. ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THE STEINERS HOME WAS LISTED AS THE SITE OF YARD SALES AND SEX PARTIES. 156 00:19:30,769 --> 00:19:36,074 AND THEN THIS BOOK ABOUT SURVIVING THE LOSS OF A SPOUSE ADDRESSED TO DAVID, ARRIVED AT THE STEINERS' DOORSTEP. 157 00:19:36,141 --> 00:19:47,352 >> IT WAS A DEATH THREAT. AND TO BE FOLLOWED UP A FEW SHORT DAYS LATER WITH A FUNERAL WREATH, AN EXPENSIVE FUNERAL 158 00:19:47,419 --> 00:19:57,563 WREATH, IT -- IT ONLY CONFIRMED THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE GOING TO HURT OR KILL INA. >> YOU WERE AFRAID FOR HER LIFE. 159 00:19:57,629 --> 00:20:04,069 >> I -- I WAS TERRIFIED I WAS GOING TO LOSE HER. >> POLICE, AT FIRST, THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE A SMALL TOWN PRANK. 160 00:20:04,136 --> 00:20:11,043 DAVID INSTALLED MORE SECURITY CAMERAS AT THEIR HOME. BUT FOR THREE WEEKS THE THREATS AND PACKAGES KEPT COMING. 161 00:20:11,109 --> 00:20:19,184 >> AS THIS IS GOING ON, WHAT'S IT LIKE TO BE INSIDE YOUR HOUSE? >> WHEN IT WOULD GET DARK OUT AT NIGHT, THAT'S WHEN I WOULD 162 00:20:19,251 --> 00:20:27,192 REALLY BE TERRIFIED. >> YOU GUYS STARTED SLEEPING IN SEPARATE ROOMS AT ONE POINT? >> WHAT WE -- WHAT WE WANTED TO 163 00:20:27,259 --> 00:20:33,065 DO WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEONE DID BREAK IN, THAT AT LEAST ONE OF US COULD EITHER CALL THE POLICE OR ESCAPE. 164 00:20:33,131 --> 00:20:41,673 >> THE STEINERS WERE AFRAID INSIDE THEIR HOUSE AND AFRAID TO LEAVE IT AFTER DAVID NOTICED A VAN AND LATER A CAR FOLLOWING 165 00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:46,511 HIM. HE WAS TERRIFIED BUT MANAGED TO GET A PHOTO OF THE LICENSE PLATE. 166 00:20:46,578 --> 00:20:51,917 THAT BROKE OPEN THE CASE. >> I'M A GUY WHO LIKES TO DIG UP THINGS. I SOMETIMES DON'T GET THE END 167 00:20:51,984 --> 00:20:57,289 RESULT. AND THAT'S WHY I RELY ON SMART GUYS LIKE THIS. >> NATICK DETECTIVE JOHN HASWELL 168 00:20:57,356 --> 00:21:02,227 WAS WORKING THE CASE WITH SERGEANT JASON SUTHERLAND. HE RAN THE LICENSE PLATE OF THE CAR THAT HAD BEEN FOLLOWING 169 00:21:02,294 --> 00:21:07,599 DAVID. >> AND IT CAME BACK TO A RENTAL AGENCY. AND I CONTACTED THE RENTAL 170 00:21:07,666 --> 00:21:12,971 AGENCY, AND GOT THE NAME OF THE RENTER. VERONICA ZEA. I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE 171 00:21:13,038 --> 00:21:17,342 STEINERS AT THIS POINT, OTHER THAN WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THEM. SO I -- THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME 172 00:21:17,409 --> 00:21:23,181 THAT I CALLED THEM. >> AND I SAID, "ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE NAME?" THEY WEREN'T. 173 00:21:23,248 --> 00:21:28,553 AND WHILE I WAS SAYING THAT, I THINK -- MRS. STEINER DID THE -- HER OWN LITTLE SEARCH AND SAID, "OH, MY GOD, SHE WORKS FOR 174 00:21:28,620 --> 00:21:32,324 eBAY." >> I -- I -- I DON'T KNOW, I CAN'T DESCRIBE HOW FLABBERGASTED WE WERE. 175 00:21:32,391 --> 00:21:41,466 eBAY? I MEAN, WHAT WAS AN eBAY EMPLOYEE DOING IN A RENTAL VAN, FOLLOWING DAVID? 176 00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:47,372 DID SHE -- >> IT BLEW OUR MINDS. >> -- SEND ALL THESE THINGS? WAS IT eBAY THAT DID THIS TO US? 177 00:21:47,439 --> 00:21:53,845 I MEAN, IT WAS INCONCEIVABLE. >> SERGEANT SUTHERLAND TRACKED VERONICA ZEA'S RENTAL CAR TO THE BOSTON RITZ-CARLTON AND CALLED 178 00:21:53,912 --> 00:22:01,453 HER FROM THE LOBBY. >> I FULLY EXPECTED HER TO COME DOWN AND SAY -- HAND ME A BUSINESS CARD AND SAY, "I'M FROM 179 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:07,359 eBAY AND WE'RE DOING AN INVESTIGATION AND, YEAH, I DROVE BY THE HOUSE." WE CALLED UP TO THE ROOM, AND 180 00:22:07,426 --> 00:22:14,332 SHE SAID SHE'D BE DOWN AFTER SHE HAD A CONFERENCE CALL. SHE NEVER SHOWED UP. >> ZEA LEFT TOWN WITHOUT TALKING 181 00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:21,873 TO POLICE. BUT DETECTIVE HASWELL HAD BEEN CHASING DOWN ANOTHER LEAD. HE LEARNED THE FUNERAL WREATH 182 00:22:21,940 --> 00:22:26,712 SENT TO THE STEINERS WAS BOUGHT WITH A GIFT CARD FROM A GROCERY STORE IN SILICON VALLEY NOT FAR FROM THE eBAY HEADQUARTERS. 183 00:22:26,778 --> 00:22:33,719 >> YEAH. THEY WERE LESS THAN EIGHT MILES AWAY. AND HE WAS ABLE TO GET 184 00:22:33,785 --> 00:22:39,624 PHOTOGRAPHS OF THEM PURCHASING THE GIFT CARDS, AND IT WAS VERONICA ZEA AGAIN. >> THE FBI TOOK OVER. 185 00:22:39,691 --> 00:22:45,564 TEN MONTHS LATER, THE U.S. ATTORNEY IN MASSACHUSETTS ANDREW LELLING ANNOUNCED THE INDICTMENTS OF SIX EMPLOYEES AND 186 00:22:45,630 --> 00:22:50,435 CONTRACTORS FROM eBAY. >> THE COMPLAINT ALLEGES THAT THE VICTIMS WERE TARGETED BECAUSE eBAY EXECUTIVES WERE 187 00:22:50,502 --> 00:22:58,477 UNHAPPY WITH THE COVERAGE OF eBAY ON THE COUPLES WEBSITE. >> IT DIDN'T TAKE US AN HOUR TO REALIZE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF A 188 00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:10,922 PUBLIC COMPANY TRYING TO DESTROY A JOURNALIST, THEY WERE ATTACKING THE FIRST AMENDMENT, FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. 189 00:23:10,989 --> 00:23:17,395 THEY WANTED TO DESTROY INA AND OUR PUBLICATION. >> FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR ANDREW LELLING SAYS THE PLAN TO 190 00:23:17,462 --> 00:23:23,869 TARGET THE STEINERS WAS HATCHED AT eBAY. >> WHAT WAS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS CASE IS THAT YOU HAD RELATIVELY 191 00:23:23,935 --> 00:23:34,112 SENIOR MANAGEMENT AT A FORTUNE 500 COMPANY WHO THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO LAUNCH WHAT CAN ONLY BE DESCRIBED AS A CAMPAIGN 192 00:23:34,179 --> 00:23:41,086 OF TERROR TARGETING A MIDDLE-AGED COUPLE IN NATICK. >> WHY? >> WELL, THE WHY IS ACTUALLY 193 00:23:41,153 --> 00:23:49,161 HARDER THAN IT SEEMS. >> INVESTIGATORS LEARNED IN APRIL OF 2019, eBAY'S THEN CEO DEVIN WENIG SHARED A LINK TO 194 00:23:49,227 --> 00:23:57,736 THIS POST INA HAD WRITTEN ABOUT HIS ANNUAL PAY. eBAY'S CHIEF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER, STEVE WYMER, WROTE 195 00:23:57,803 --> 00:24:04,276 BACK, "WE ARE GOING TO CRUSH THIS LADY" ABOUT A MONTH LATER WENIG, THE CEO OF eBAY TEXTED "TAKE HER DOWN." 196 00:24:04,342 --> 00:24:10,715 PROSECUTORS SAY STEVE WYMER LATER TEXTED eBAY SECURITY DIRECTOR JIM BAUGH "I WANT TO SEE ASHES. 197 00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:17,722 AS LONG AS IT TAKES. WHATEVER IT TAKES." JUST A FEW DAYS LATER, INVESTIGATORS SAY BAUGH SET UP A 198 00:24:17,789 --> 00:24:23,628 MEETING WITH HIS SECURITY STAFF AT eBAY'S CALIFORNIA HEADQUARTERS, POSTED A MAP OF NATICK ON THE WALL, AND THEN 199 00:24:23,695 --> 00:24:32,771 DISPATCHED A TEAM TO BOSTON. >> SEVEN PEOPLE WHO WORKED FOR eBAY'S SAFETY AND SECURITY UNIT, INCLUDING TWO FORMER COPS, AND A 200 00:24:32,838 --> 00:24:38,677 FORMER NANNY ALL PLEAD GUILTY TO STALKING OR CYBERSTALKING CHARGES. >> SENIOR SECURITY DIRECTOR JIM 201 00:24:38,743 --> 00:24:44,583 BAUGH WAS SENTENCED TO FIVE YEARS IN PRISON. VERONICA ZEA WAS SENTENCED TO A YEAR OF HOME CONFINEMENT AND 202 00:24:44,649 --> 00:24:51,556 PROBATION. BUT TO DATE eBAY HAS NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANY CRIMES. THE COMPANY SAID IN A STATEMENT 203 00:24:51,623 --> 00:24:59,130 TO "60 MINUTES" THE CONDUCT OF THE FORMER EMPLOYEES WAS WRONG AND IT HAS COOPERATED FULLY WITH THE GOVERNMENT INVESTIGATION. 204 00:24:59,197 --> 00:25:05,637 >> THE PLAN WAS HATCHED IN eBAY'S HEADQUARTERS, IN A CONFERENCE ROOM. IT WAS PAID FOR, ULTIMATELY, BY 205 00:25:05,704 --> 00:25:11,543 eBAY. DON'T THEY BEAR ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS? >> THEY MAY. 206 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:18,550 BUT CASES ARE COMMON WHERE AN EMPLOYEE INSIDE A COMPANY USES COMPANY RESOURCES TO DO WRONG. IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE CASES IT'S 207 00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:26,057 NOT NECESSARILY TRUE THAT THE COMPANY ITSELF IS RESPONSIBLE. >> AND LELLING SAYS THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE TO FILE 208 00:25:26,124 --> 00:25:31,963 CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST eBAY'S TOP EXECUTIVES DEVIN WENIG OR STEVE WYMER. >> BUT WHEN HE SAYS OR TEXTS, "I 209 00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:38,436 WANNA SEE ASHES, WHATEVER IT TAKES"... >> PEOPLE SAY THINGS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME. 210 00:25:38,503 --> 00:25:47,279 ESPECIALLY SENIOR PEOPLE IN COMPANIES. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS I AM KNOWINGLY JOINING A CRIMINAL 211 00:25:47,345 --> 00:25:55,487 CONSPIRACY TO CYBERSTALK A COUPLE IN NATICK. PEOPLE USE LOOSE TALK LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME. 212 00:25:55,553 --> 00:26:05,196 >> LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. IF YOU HAVE A DOG THAT IS TRAINED TO ATTACK AND THEN YOU GIVE THEM THE COMMAND, "TAKE HER 213 00:26:05,263 --> 00:26:13,271 DOWN," AREN'T YOU AS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE THAT HAPPENS? >> IT'S OBVIOUS THAT IT STARTED FROM THE TOP. 214 00:26:13,338 --> 00:26:18,677 >> JILLISE McDONOUGH AND ROSEMARY SCAPICCHIO ARE REPRESENTING THE STEINERS IN A CIVIL CASE AGAINST eBAY, AND ITS 215 00:26:18,743 --> 00:26:25,116 FORMER EXECUTIVES. >> IF YOU'RE IN THE C-SUITE, IT'S YOUR JOB TO KNOW WHAT YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE DOING. 216 00:26:25,183 --> 00:26:29,955 HOW DID YOU SIT BACK AND SAY YOU DIDN'T KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN GOOD THINGS WERE HAPPENING AND -- AND, YOU KNOW, THE SHARE 217 00:26:30,021 --> 00:26:35,327 PRICES WERE INCREASING? THEY WERE ALL, YOU KNOW, PATIN THEMSELVES ON THE BACK. THEY -- "WE DID THAT, WE DID 218 00:26:35,393 --> 00:26:40,165 THAT, WE HAD" -- BUT THEN WHEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, THEY TURN AROUND AND SAY, WE HAD NO IDEA, WE HAD 219 00:26:40,231 --> 00:26:45,003 NO IDEA WHAT WAS HAPPENING. >> WE'VE SEEN THESE TEXT MESSAGES FROM WENIG AND FROM WYMER. 220 00:26:45,070 --> 00:26:49,874 I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THEY TURNED OVER ALL THEIR TEXT MESSAGES. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN? 221 00:26:49,941 --> 00:26:54,713 >> NO. WYMER DELETED HIS TEXT MESSAGES. THERE WAS A NOTICE THAT WENT OUT TO EVERYONE TO SAY, THERE'S THIS 222 00:26:54,779 --> 00:27:00,085 CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION, PRESERVE THE EVIDENCE. WYMER IMMEDIATELY DELETES EVERYTHING. 223 00:27:00,151 --> 00:27:07,125 THAT'S OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. IF I DID THAT, I'D BE SITTING IN A JAIL CELL SOMEWHERE RIGHT NOW. >> THE CURRENT U.S. ATTORNEY HAS 224 00:27:07,192 --> 00:27:16,801 SAID THE INVESTIGATION INTO eBAY IS ONGOING. >> STEVE WYMER WAS FIRED FOR CAUSE BY eBAY AND NOW RUNS THE 225 00:27:16,868 --> 00:27:21,639 BOYS AND GIRLS CLUBS OF SILICON VALLEY. HE HAS SAID HIS TEXTS WERE MISCHARACTERIZED AND THAT HE 226 00:27:21,706 --> 00:27:27,012 LEARNED OF THE EMPLOYEES' CONDUCT ONLY AFTER THE FACT. THE FORMER CEO DEVIN WENIG SAID IN A STATEMENT TO "60 MINUTES" 227 00:27:27,078 --> 00:27:31,850 THAT HE WAS APPALLED AT WHAT HAPPENED AND HAD HE BEEN AWARE OF IT AT THE TIME HE WOULD HAVE STOPPED IT. 228 00:27:31,916 --> 00:27:37,989 WENIG RESIGNED FROM eBAY IN SEPTEMBER OF 2019 WITH A $57 MILLION EXIT PACKAGE. 229 00:27:50,602 --> 00:27:57,542 >>> IN HIS HALL OF FAME NBA CAREER, CHARLES BARKLEY ACCUMULATED 12,546 REBOUNDS. BUT HE PULLED THE ULTIMATE 230 00:27:57,609 --> 00:28:04,582 REBOUND WHEN HE FINISHED PLAYING, EQUALING - MAYBE EVEN ECLIPSING - HIS CONSIDERABLE SKILLS ON A BASKETBALL COURT, 231 00:28:04,649 --> 00:28:12,090 WITH HIS SINGULAR TALENT IN A TV STUDIO. FOR THE LAST 23 YEARS, BARKLEY HAS BEEN DELIVERING WITTY, 232 00:28:12,157 --> 00:28:18,029 BLUNT, PROVOCATIVE OPINIONS ON EVERY IMAGINABLE TOPIC, OFTEN IMPARTED WITH A SMILE, ALWAYS IMPARTED WITH 233 00:28:18,096 --> 00:28:32,143 I-DON'T-GIVE-A-DAMN-IF-YOU-AGREE -WITH-ME CANDOR. IMAGINE MARK TWAIN WITH A LOW-POST GAME. 234 00:28:32,210 --> 00:28:37,615 DESPITE HIS LACK OF A TONGUE EDITOR, MAYBE BECAUSE OF IT, BARKLEY, NOW 60, SEEMS CANCEL-PROOF, GRANTED LICENSE TO 235 00:28:37,682 --> 00:28:42,887 GO RIGHT UP TO THAT MID-COURT LINE OF ACCEPTABILITY, EVEN TO STOMP OVER IT SOMETIMES. IT'S MADE HIM MORE RELEVANT THAN 236 00:28:42,954 --> 00:28:48,793 EVER. IT'S MADE HIM MORE MONEY THAN HE EVER EARNED PLAYING BASKETBALL. IT'S MADE HIM - DARE WE SAY IT? 237 00:28:48,860 --> 00:28:56,868 - AN AMERICAN TREASURE. >> WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE PEOPLE WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU? [ LAUGHTER ] 238 00:28:56,935 --> 00:29:03,942 >> I THINK THEY KNOW THAT I'M GOING TO BE HONEST, I'M GOING TO BE FAIR, I DON'T HAVE A HIDDEN AGENDA. 239 00:29:04,008 --> 00:29:10,882 NOT MANY PEOPLE ON TV THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT ABOUT. >> WHAT'S UP, EVERYBODY! >> WHAT'S UP, CHUCK? 240 00:29:10,949 --> 00:29:18,389 >> YOU DON'T HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN EVERY YEAR, THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST LIES EVER TOLD. >> 60 NIGHTS A YEAR, CHARLES 241 00:29:18,456 --> 00:29:24,329 BARKLEY IS THE GO-TO GUY ON TNT'S "INSIDE THE NBA." >> I LIKE THIS! >> PEOPLE ARE, LIKE, "YOU THINK 242 00:29:24,395 --> 00:29:30,235 OUR TEAM SUCKS." I'M LIKE, "UH, YEAH, I ONLY THINK THAT CUZ THEY SUCK." >> A PATHBREAKING, 243 00:29:30,301 --> 00:29:35,607 EMMY-DOMINATING SHOW THAT MAKES FOR RIVETING, UNSCRIPTED TV. >> YOU BIG DUMMY. [ LAUGHTER ] 244 00:29:35,673 --> 00:29:42,113 >> YOU HAVE FUN UP THERE? >> IT'S JUST BASKETBALL! [ LAUGHTER ] WE'RE NOT SOLVIN INFLATION, WE 245 00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:47,452 DIDN'T JUST GET BACK FROM AFGHANISTAN. >> BUT YOU'RE NOT A USED CAR SALESMAN EITHER. 246 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:58,763 I MEAN, IF A GAME'S NO GOOD, YOU'LL ADMIT IT, YOU'LL SAY IT... >> OH YEAH, BECAUSE THE FANS 247 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:02,534 AIN'T STUPID. THEY JUST SAW IT. IF I TELL THEM THAT WAS A GOOD GAME, THEY'RE GOING TO BE LIKE, 248 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,405 WHAT THE HELL IS CHARLES TALKING ABOUT? [ LAUGHTER ] >> YOU SAID SOMETIMES YOU'VE 249 00:30:07,472 --> 00:30:11,709 EVEN FALLEN ASLEEP ON THE SET. >> OH, I FALL ASLEEP, LIKE, JUST SITTIN THERE WATCHING LIKE, YO, MAN, THIS IS JUST BAD 250 00:30:11,776 --> 00:30:16,548 BASKETBALL. >> I'M GOING TO RAISE SOME HELL AROUND HERE. >> THIS IS WHAT AMERICA HAS COME 251 00:30:16,614 --> 00:30:21,419 TO EXPECT FROM CHARLES BARKLEY. >> WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE LAKERS - THE LAKERS ARE AWFUL. >> FOR CHUCK, IT'S JUST, "I'M 252 00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:25,723 GOING TO LET IT FLY. AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, TOUGH." >> FIVE, FOUR, THREE... 253 00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:30,562 >> ERNIE JOHNSON IS THE LONGTIME HOST OF "INSIDE THE NBA." >> CHARLES IS DOWN THERE. >> HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU SAY, 254 00:30:30,628 --> 00:30:35,400 "WHERE -- WHERE'S THIS GOIN'?" >> WE'LL START A SHOW AND CHARLES WILL LOOK AT ME AND SAY, "I GOTTA GET SOMETHIN' OFF MY 255 00:30:35,466 --> 00:30:40,205 CHEST." IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES WORLD PEACE, OR THE BROOKLYN NETS, OR IT COULD BE 256 00:30:40,271 --> 00:30:45,076 SOMETHING -- HE COULD BE UPSET THAT HIS PLUMBER SHOWED UP LATE. [ LAUGHTER ] AND HE JUST HAS TO GET IT OFF 257 00:30:45,143 --> 00:30:49,914 HIS CHEST. >> WE GOTTA BE SERIOUS ON THIS SHOW SOMETIMES. >> BUT IF BARKLEY BRINGS LEVITY, 258 00:30:49,981 --> 00:30:56,888 HE ALSO BRINGS GRAVITY. >> MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES STAR JA MORANT WAS SUSPENDED THIS MONTH AFTER THIS INSTAGRAM LIVE VIDEO 259 00:30:56,955 --> 00:31:01,793 SHOWED HIM FLASHING A GUN AT A STRIP CLUB. BARKLEY USED IT TO MAKE A BROADER POINT. 260 00:31:01,859 --> 00:31:08,766 >> GUNS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, THE WAY WE KILLING EACH OTHER IS JUST REALLY UNFORTUNATE AND SAD. 261 00:31:08,833 --> 00:31:13,605 AND WE GOT TO -- IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM, BUT IT SEEM LIKE IT'S GOTTEN WORSE IN THE LAST FEW YEARS - BLACK ON BLACK CRIME 262 00:31:13,671 --> 00:31:19,544 AND THE WAY WE'VE BEEN KILLING EACH OTHER. >> BARKLEY MAY BE AT HIS MOST VISIBLE IN THE STUDIO IN 263 00:31:19,611 --> 00:31:28,152 ATLANTA... >> BUT FOR A FULLER SENSE OF THE MAN, HEAD TWO HOURS WEST TO HIS HOMETOWN IN LEEDS, ALABAMA. 264 00:31:28,219 --> 00:31:37,295 >> I'M TELLING Y'ALL, I DID NOT NAME THE STREET AFTER MYSELF. >> YOU DIDN'T LOBBY FOR CHARLES BARKLEY AVENUE? 265 00:31:37,362 --> 00:31:42,700 >> I DID NOT LOBBY FOR CHARLES BARKLEY AVENUE. >> WE INTERVIEWED BARKLEY IN THE HOME HE STILL KEEPS IN TOWN. 266 00:31:42,767 --> 00:31:47,538 IT'S A FEW HUNDRED YARDS FROM WHERE HE GREW UP. >> YOU WERE ANGRY THAT YOUR DAD LEFT THE FAMILY WHEN YOU WERE 1 267 00:31:47,605 --> 00:31:52,377 YEARS OLD. >> I WAS VERY ANGRY. AND I WAS EVEN ANGRIER BECAUSE HE KEPT SAYING HE WAS GOING TO 268 00:31:52,443 --> 00:31:59,350 SEND US MONEY, AND HE DIDN'T DO IT. BECAUSE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, MY MOM AND GRANDMA WERE WORKING THEIR 269 00:31:59,417 --> 00:32:06,958 BEHINDS OFF. AND THE THING THAT WAS REALLY BAD ABOUT IT, I WAS STANDING BY THE MAILBOX, LIKE, ONCE EVERY 270 00:32:07,025 --> 00:32:11,763 THREE OR FOUR MONTHS. >> WAITING FOR THE CHECKS. >> YES, BUT THEY NEVER CAME. >> HIS INDOMITABLE GRANDMA, 271 00:32:11,829 --> 00:32:18,169 JOHNNIE MAE, WHO HELPED RAISE HIM, STILL INSPIRES STORIES WHEN CHARLES AND HIS BUDDIES GET TOGETHER IN LEEDS. 272 00:32:18,236 --> 00:32:23,541 >> SHOOT, GRANNY WAS THE REAL DEAL. [ LAUGHTER ] >> ACTUALLY, CHARLES IS THE 273 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:28,946 SPITTIN' IMAGE OF GRANNY, REALLY. >> YEAH, HE GOT THAT MOUTH... >> HE GOT THAT MOUTH LIKE 274 00:32:29,013 --> 00:32:34,319 GRANNY. YES. >> ...AND SHE HAD ONE, TOO. >> SO, WE WERE REALLY POOR. 275 00:32:34,385 --> 00:32:39,157 WE DIDN'T KNOW AT THE TIME. SO TO MAKE ENDS MEET, SHE SOLD ALCOHOL. [ LAUGHTER ] 276 00:32:39,223 --> 00:32:43,961 >> WHERE? >> IN, IN, IN THE HOUSE. >> CALLED THE SHOT HOUSE. >> OUT OF YOUR HOUSE? 277 00:32:44,028 --> 00:32:49,334 >> YEAH. SO PEOPLE WOULD COME OVER FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND PLAY CARDS. EVERYBODY STARTS DRINKIN. 278 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,172 ONCE SOMEBODY LOSE THEIR MONEY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A FIGHT. [ LAUGHTER ] SO MY GRANDMOTHER, THIS LITTLE 279 00:32:54,238 --> 00:32:58,509 OLD LADY, SHE'S WALKING AROUND WITH A SIX-SHOOTER. [ LAUGHTER ] AND SHE'S KEEPING THE PEACE. 280 00:32:58,576 --> 00:33:03,948 I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW ANY BETTER, JON. I THOUGHT THIS WAS NORMAL STUFF. >> WHOA... 281 00:33:04,015 --> 00:33:08,786 >> YEAH. THINK IT'S TIME FOR A NEW FLOOR. [ LAUGHTER ] >> BARKLEY ALSO TOOK US TO HIS 282 00:33:08,853 --> 00:33:19,030 OLD JUNIOR HIGH GYM. IT STANDS, BARELY, AS A SYMBOL OF HOW FAR HE'S COME... >> 14, 15-YEAR-OLD CHARLES 283 00:33:19,097 --> 00:33:24,902 BARKLEY WALKING IN HERE. WHO'S THAT KID? >> HE'S A 5'9", 5'10" BIG-BONED, NOT FAT, BIG-BONED, CHUBBY, 284 00:33:24,969 --> 00:33:32,977 WHATEVER WORD YOU WANNA USE. I'M A 5'10" BACKUP POINT GUARD. >> YOU REMEMBER SPECIFIC PLAYS AND SHOTS FROM PLAYING HERE? 285 00:33:33,044 --> 00:33:38,383 TIE GAME. WE GOT YOU ON THE WING. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, IF IT WAS TIE GAME, I'M NOT GOING TO BE IN 286 00:33:38,449 --> 00:33:48,626 THE GAME. LET'S GET THAT OUT THE WAY. >> A SIX-INCH GROWTH SPURT HELPED TURN BARKLEY INTO A HIGH 287 00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:54,031 SCHOOL BASKETBALL STAR. BUT HIS FORMATIVE TEENAGE EXPERIENCE CAME AT THE SCHOOL FOOTBALL STADIUM. 288 00:33:54,098 --> 00:33:59,904 >> WOW. >> THIS IS WHERE HE STOOD ALONE, AT A DISTANCE, WATCHING HIS CLASSMATES GRADUATE. 289 00:33:59,971 --> 00:34:06,444 >> I FLUNKED SPANISH, SO I DIDN'T GRADUATE. I WAS AT HOME ALL BY MYSELF, DEVASTATED. 290 00:34:06,511 --> 00:34:11,816 AND I DROVE AROUND THE BACKSIDE HERE, AND I STOOD HERE FOR TWO HOURS AND WATCHED THE GRADUATION. 291 00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:17,722 AND I CRIED THE WHOLE TIME. EVEN NOW, IT'S KINDA HITTIN' ME IN A -- IN THE HEART A LITTLE BIT. 292 00:34:17,789 --> 00:34:22,593 MAN, WHAT A TRAUMATIC NIGHT THAT WAS. >> YOU REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE TEACHER? 293 00:34:22,660 --> 00:34:28,499 >> MS. GOMEZ. I'LL NEVER FORGET THAT. AND MS. GOMEZ, WHEN I GO BACK AND THINK, WAS ONE OF THE 294 00:34:28,566 --> 00:34:36,040 SWEETEST, KINDEST PEOPLE I'D EVER MET IN MY LIFE. BUT IN THAT MOMENT, I WAS SO MAD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO 295 00:34:36,107 --> 00:34:44,081 THROW MY HAT IN THE AIR TOO. >> HE GRADUATED, THANKS TO SUMMER SCHOOL... >> AT AUBURN, HE WAS A STAR, 296 00:34:44,148 --> 00:34:52,156 YES, FOR HIS SKILLS, BUT ALSO FOR HIS HEROIC APPETITE. HE EMBRACED HIS NICKNAME: THE ROUND MOUND OF REBOUND. 297 00:34:52,223 --> 00:35:03,000 >> CHARLES BARKLEY! WOW! >> DRAFTED IN 1984, HE BECAME A CHARISMATIC NBA STAR FOR THE 298 00:35:03,067 --> 00:35:09,440 PHILADELPHIA 76ers. >> HE'S THE SHORTEST MAN EVER TO LEAD THE NBA IN REBOUNDING, PROOF THAT - FOR ALL BARKLEY'S 299 00:35:09,507 --> 00:35:19,116 YUKS - HE PLAYED WITH FURY. >> I WAS PLAYING TO STICK IT TO MY DAD, MS. GOMEZ, AND SOME OF THE KIDS WHO HAD MADE FUN OF ME, 300 00:35:19,183 --> 00:35:25,590 INSTEAD OF JUST WANTING TO BE GREAT AT BASKETBALL. >> WHAT'S FIRING UP THIS FURNACE IS THE ANGER YOU HAVE FOR YOUR 301 00:35:25,656 --> 00:35:30,962 SPANISH TEACHER THAT FLUNKED YOU. >> YES. >> AND YOUR DAD. 302 00:35:31,028 --> 00:35:36,334 >> YES, 100%. >> WHAT CAUSED YOU TO FLUSH OUT THIS ANGER AND GET MOTIVATED FOR A DIFFERENT REASON? 303 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,739 >> THE SPITTIN' INCIDENT IN NEW JERSEY. >> IN 1991, HE SPAT AT A HECKLER AND INADVERTENTLY HIT A YOUNG 304 00:35:41,806 --> 00:35:47,111 GIRL. HE CALLS IT THE LOW POINT OF HIS CAREER. >> I GOT SUSPENDED, RIGHTFULLY 305 00:35:47,178 --> 00:35:58,956 SO. I WAS SITTING IN MY HOTEL ROOM, AND I WAS, LIKE, "YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER IN THE WORLD." 306 00:35:59,023 --> 00:36:04,929 I REMEMBER SAYING, "THIS IS IT TONIGHT." >> MEANING WHAT? >> I AM ONLY GOING TO PLAY 307 00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:09,767 BASKETBALL BECAUSE I'M GREAT AT IT, AND I LOVE TO PLAY. I'M GETTING ALL THE DIRT OFF MY SHOULDERS. 308 00:36:09,834 --> 00:36:17,842 MS. GOMEZ, BYE! DAD, BYE! THAT WAS REALLY THE TURNING POINT FOR ME. 309 00:36:17,909 --> 00:36:28,052 >> BY SIR CHARLES! >> BARKLEY WAS THE NBA'S MVP IN 1993 FOR THE PHOENIX SUNS, AND THEN, MONTHS AFTER RETIRING IN 310 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:34,492 2000, HE EMBARKED ON A BROADCASTING CAREER. >> NUMBER ONE, THERE'S NO DOMINANT TEAM. 311 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:40,398 >> FULL DISCLOSURE, YOU MAY HAVE JUST SEEN HIM ON THIS NETWORK WORKING MARCH MADNESS. >> WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE 312 00:36:40,464 --> 00:36:52,610 COLLEGE GAME TODAY? >> IT'S A TRAVESTY AND A DISGRACE. I'M SO MAD NOW HOW WE CAN MESS 313 00:36:52,677 --> 00:36:57,615 UP SOMETHING THAT'S SO BEAUTIFUL. >> HOW'D WE MESS IT UP? >> WE CAN'T PAY ALL THESE 314 00:36:57,682 --> 00:37:01,986 PLAYERS. >> TRANSLATION: BARKLEY HATES THE NEW, WILD WEST OF COLLEGE SPORTS WHERE PLAYERS GO TO THE 315 00:37:02,053 --> 00:37:08,459 SCHOOLS THAT CAN BID THE HIGHEST... >> IN THE NEXT THREE TO FIVE YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 25 316 00:37:08,526 --> 00:37:16,000 SCHOOLS THAT'S GOING TO DOMINATE THE SPORTS BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD PLAYERS, AND THESE SCHOOLS WHO CAN'T AFFORD OR 317 00:37:16,067 --> 00:37:21,906 WON'T PAY PLAYERS ARE GOING TO BE IRRELEVANT. >> ALMOST A QUARTER CENTURY SINCE BARKLEY LAST PLAYED. 318 00:37:21,973 --> 00:37:31,282 >> AND NOW, FOR MY OPINION... HIS OPINIONS, FREE OF VARNISH, STILL MATTER. >> IS KEVIN DURANT A GREAT, 319 00:37:31,349 --> 00:37:35,620 GREAT PLAYER? >> IF YOU AIN'T DRIVING THE BUS, DON'T WALK AROUND TALKING ABOUT YOU A CHAMPION. 320 00:37:35,686 --> 00:37:39,924 >> HIS TAKES DON'T ALWAYS GO OVER WELL. KEVIN DURANT, A PERENNIAL ALL-STAR, ONCE SAID OF BARKLEY, 321 00:37:39,991 --> 00:37:44,762 "I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY STILL ASK FOR THIS IDIOT'S OPINION." >> KEVIN DURANT. >> HE'S VERY SENSITIVE. 322 00:37:44,829 --> 00:37:51,202 GREAT PLAYER. HE'S PART OF THAT GENERATION WHO THINK HE CAN'T BE CRITICIZED. HE'S NEVER LOOKED IN THE MIRROR 323 00:37:51,268 --> 00:37:57,108 AND SAID, "MAN, WAS THAT A FAIR CRITICISM?" >> WE'RE IN AGREEMENT TODAY'S PLAYERS ARE A LITTLE MORE 324 00:37:57,174 --> 00:38:02,013 SENSITIVE TO CRITICISM THAN YOUR GENERATION... >> THAT WOULD BE AN UNDERSTATEMENT. 325 00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:06,851 >> TODAY'S PLAYERS TAKE OFFENSE, BUT SO HAVE PLAYERS FROM YOUR GENERATION. IT'S BEEN, BEEN A WHILE SINCE 326 00:38:06,917 --> 00:38:11,155 YOU AND MICHAEL JORDAN SPOKE. >> MICHAEL DISAGREED WITH SOMETHING I SAID, AND HE BROKE OFF THE FRIENDSHIP. 327 00:38:11,222 --> 00:38:15,993 >> BORN THREE DAYS APART, BARKLEY AND JORDAN WERE ONCE THE BST OF FRIENDS, BUT AS JORDAN STRUGGLED AS OWNER OF THE 328 00:38:16,060 --> 00:38:21,932 CHARLOTTE HORNETS, BARKLEY MINCED NO WORDS. >> AND WHAT I SAID. I THINK THAT HE DON'T HAVE 329 00:38:21,999 --> 00:38:31,075 ENOUGH PEOPLE AROUND HIM THAT ARE GOING TO TELL HIM "NO." AND HE GOT REALLY OFFENDED, AND WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN. 330 00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:41,285 BUT, JON, I REALLY -- I'M GOING TO DO MY JOB. BECAUSE I HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY IF I CRITICIZE OTHER PEOPLE IN 331 00:38:41,352 --> 00:38:48,292 THE SAME BOAT AND NOT CRITICIZE MY BEST FRIEND. >> EVEN IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO APOLOGIZE FOR, YOU THINK OF JUST 332 00:38:48,359 --> 00:38:53,664 PICKING UP THE PHONE AND TRYING TO REPAIR THIS THING WITH MICHAEL? >> I GOT AN EGO, TOO, JON. 333 00:38:53,731 --> 00:38:59,036 [ LAUGHTER ] YOU CAN'T BE GREAT AT SOMETHING, LIKE THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO BE A JERK. 334 00:38:59,103 --> 00:39:05,543 >> YOU THINK YOU'LL RESOLVE THIS EVENTUALLY? >> HE GOT MY NUMBER. >> IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET 335 00:39:05,609 --> 00:39:11,482 BARKLEY GOING ON DISAPPOINTMENT, ASK HIM ABOUT HIS DAUGHTER CHRISTINA'S BASKETBALL SKILLS. >> YOUR DAUGHTER'S NOT A 336 00:39:11,549 --> 00:39:20,091 BASKETBALL PLAYER. >> THAT WAS -- THAT WAS BRUTAL. SHE WAS SIX FEET TALL FROM BIRTH. 337 00:39:20,157 --> 00:39:25,463 [ LAUGHTER ] I'M GOING TO HAVE THE BEST FEMALE BASKETBALL PLAYER IN THE WORLD. 338 00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:31,936 I CAN'T WAIT TILL SHE'S OLD ENOUGH. I'M GOING TO TEACH HER EVERYTHING. 339 00:39:32,002 --> 00:39:39,443 AND THEN WE START PLAYING, AND I'M SITTING IN THE STANDS AND I'M SAYING TO MYSELF, OH, MAN, SHE IS NOT AGGRESSIVE AT ALL. 340 00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:44,315 [ LAUGHTER ] SO I ASK HER ONE DAY, I SAYS, YOU DON'T LIKE BASKETBALL, DO YOU? 341 00:39:44,381 --> 00:39:50,221 SHE SAYS, OH, DAD, I HATE BASKETBALL. AND I SAID, OH, OKAY. [ LAUGHTER ] 342 00:39:50,287 --> 00:39:55,593 AND IT TOOK ME A LITTLE WHILE TO GET OVER THAT, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID... >> YOU'RE BEING SERIOUS NOW? 343 00:39:55,659 --> 00:40:00,431 >> YEAH. BUT SHE'S A GREAT PERSON AND A STRAIGHT-A STUDENT. SO I HAVE TO BRAG ABOUT THAT. 344 00:40:00,498 --> 00:40:05,836 >> I GUARANTEE THAT MAKES YOU FEEL EVERY BIT AS GOOD AS HER HITTIN A GAME-WINNING JUMPER. >> NOT QUITE. 345 00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:10,674 BUT [ LAUGHTER ] IT IS CLOSE ENOUGH. >> HI, DAD! >> CHRISTINA, NOW 33, RECENTLY 346 00:40:10,741 --> 00:40:16,046 HAD A SON, HENRY. THE NEW GRANDPA SAYS HE'S NEVER FELT JOY LIKE THIS. WHEN WE ARRIVED, HE BROKE OUT 347 00:40:16,113 --> 00:40:25,723 THIS VIDEO. >> IT IS BY FAR AND AWAY THE GREATEST THING THAT'S EVER HAPPENED TO ME IN MY LIFE. 348 00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:37,568 >> LIVES UP TO THE HYPE? >> IT LIVES UP TO THE HYPE. I WANT TO SPEND TIME WITH HIM, BECAUSE I'M NOT MORBID, I'M NOT 349 00:40:37,635 --> 00:40:46,710 UPSET, I'M ON THE BACK NINE. I HOPE I'M ON HOLE 10 OR 11, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. I COULD BE ON 17 AND 18. 350 00:40:46,777 --> 00:40:54,251 SO I WANT TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME WITH HIM AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN WHEN HE GETS OLDER, I WANT HIM TO GOOGLE ME. 351 00:40:54,318 --> 00:41:00,658 >> GOOGLE ME, KID... >> YEAH, HEY, YEAH... >> DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? >> I HOPE HE DOES SOME RESEARCH 352 00:41:00,724 --> 00:41:04,595 ON ME. I'LL BE LONG GONE, BUT I WOULD LIKE HIM TO KNOW THAT I ACCOMPLISHED SOME THINGS IN MY 353 00:41:04,662 --> 00:41:07,364 LIFE. 354 00:41:12,603 --> 00:41:30,654 I GOT TO LIVE MY DREAM. >> CHARLES BARKLEY ON GRATITUDE. >> IF YOU THINK I'M BETTER OR I WORK HARDER, YOU'RE JUST 355 00:41:30,721 --> 00:41:38,329 >>> "THE LAST MINUTE" OF "60 MINUTES" IS SPONSORED BY UNITED HEALTH CARE. GET MEDICARE WITH MORE. 356 00:41:38,395 --> 00:41:44,268 >> THIS PAST WEEK HAS BEEN ONE FILLED WITH UNCERTAINTY. WOULD EVEN MORE BRACKETS BE BUSTED IN A MARCH MADNESS FULL 357 00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:50,174 OF UPSETS? FOR THAT MATTER, WOULD EVEN MORE BANKS FAIL? WOULD A FORMER PRESIDENT BE 358 00:41:50,241 --> 00:41:55,579 INDICTED AND HAULED INTO COURT FOR ARRAIGNMENT? WOULD INTEREST RATES RISE, AND BY HOW MUCH? 359 00:41:55,646 --> 00:42:01,452 WOULD THE WEATHER PHENOMENA CALLED "ATMOSPHERIC RIVERS" CONTINUE TO FLOOD THE WEST? THE WEEK WORE ON. 360 00:42:01,518 --> 00:42:09,059 AMERICANS WERE WORN OUT. BUT THE PAST WEEK HAD AT LEAST ONE SOLID GLIMMER OF CERTAINTY. THE VERNAL EQUINOX ARRIVED. 361 00:42:09,126 --> 00:42:15,499 SPRING BEGAN. IN SOME PARTS OF THE COUNTRY, BUDS BEGAN TO BLOOM. IN OTHERS, DAFFODIL AND CROCUS 362 00:42:15,566 --> 00:42:23,040 SHOOTS PUSHED THROUGH FORMERLY FROZEN EARTH. AND, IN SPITE OF THE ATHLETIC UPSETS, AND FLOODS, IN SPITE OF 363 00:42:23,107 --> 00:42:28,412 POLITICS AND ECONOMICS, IN SPITE OF GRAND JURIES, SPRING HAS ARRIVED. HOW BAD CAN THINGS REALLY BE? 364 00:42:28,479 --> 00:42:50,434 I'M SHARYN ALFONSI. WE'LL BE BACK NEXT WEEK WITH ANOTHER EDITION OF "60 MINUTES.